thats because Washington is in the same division :bash: KC is AFC west so we get a lot of Oakland, Denver, and San Diego games on TV also.

ya, thats on CBS (whos broadcasting sucks) but if you switch over to fox who has the NFC contract you will see the cowboys!

Do you realize that FoxSports, who has the NFC contract, will not show the Cowboys in Cowboys Stadium until October 25, which is the NFL's seventh week! Thats kind of a rarity.

yes. 2 huge home openers are on the prime time networks. then a 2 game road trip along with bye week.

ya, thats on CBS (whos broadcasting sucks) but if you switch over to fox who has the NFC contract you will see the cowboys!

That's debatable. Both FOX and CBS do a fine job. They both have great pre game shows. NBC is by far the worst, their pre game show is terrible. Keith Oberman is a joke and a tool. I do love Brian Billick announcing games on FOX, he does a solid job.

ya, thats on CBS (whos broadcasting sucks) but if you switch over to fox who has the NFC contract you will see the cowboys!

at least CBS doesnt have Fox's gay robot football player graphics

at least CBS doesnt have Fox's gay robot football player graphics

yeah i think Fox pretty much sucks when it comes to doing any sporting event. its not so much the announcing, which it adequate, but all the extra curriculars that are going on during the screen, i.e. the robot.

however, they dont mute the crowd volume during the games like CBS does, which is a plus.

I like Aikman and buck
The injury music is cool too

yeah i think Fox pretty much sucks when it comes to doing any sporting event. its not so much the announcing, which it adequate, but all the extra curriculars that are going on during the screen, i.e. the robot.

however, they dont mute the crowd volume during the games like CBS does, which is a plus.

I agree.




Btw, as much as I hate the Cowboys, I gotta admit, they do shove a lot of their games down our throats (up in Washington state)

Wow....that is an intensely amazing structure. Kudos to those who dared to dream and to follow through with it.

^^:applause:

Still waiting for the Super Bowl and Emmitt Smith Banners to be lowered!

stadium looks great for day games, just need to fix that BLINDING LIGHT FROM THE WEST ENZONE WINDOW.

They said that they have curtains that can cover up the endzone windows... it is up to Dallas as to if they want to cover them or not.

Matthew

They counted people "outside" the stadium,just because they bought a "ticket"?
Just to get a record attendance figure?

What a load of BS!!

Crap then...I went to the Sydney Olympics in 2000.You had to buy a ticket to just get into Sydney Olympic Park,not just into the Stadium...Soo..lets do Texan figures..
There were 112,234 people inside the Sydney Olympic Stadium and 500,000 people outside in the Olympic Park Boulevard and parks ....therefore..ladies and gentlemen..
We have a new official attendance World Record for the Sydney Olympic Stadium of....

612,234

LMAO well said

Laughable at best. Another set of useless posts, second only to the 'too slow' posts on the Freedom Tower thread.

^^ Agreed ^^

I'm so tired of all the idiot hypocrits on here that complain about the record crowd at Cowboys Stadium. I bet there is not a stadium in the world that you can see the field as soon as you enter the gates. So that being said, There is no guarantee that everyone who enters a gate actually goes in to see the game. If these idiots knew how the Cowboys Stadium was set up, they would swallow their stupid statements and realize that people, who have bought tickets, and have entered the gates, have gone into the stadium. And if you go into the Stadium through the plazas, you see the field. So sip your tea, watch your slow boring soccer games and only speak of what you know. And if you did that, the world would be so much more quiet.

Sorry I lost my Texas manners TXSkyWatcher and Ganis, but a person can only take so much stupidity.

If there is no guarentee that you're gonna see the game if you get a ticket and go, it begs the question, why the hell go in the first place?

Seriously was the whole purpose of having these plaza tickets just so they could get a world record?

Oh and don't talk about 'slow, boring games' when the NFL manages to turn half an hour of action into 4 hours of pauses and ten second plays.

^^ore like 12 minutes of action (ball in play), it's a shame the cowboys fans had to deflect the attention away from bogus over-inflated attendance figures to which sport is "better". Arrogance and insecurity manifested as one me thinks.

Man ... just let them believe that they set a legitimate attendance record ... wait till the honeymoon period is over to have any sort of rational conversation.

Oh and don't talk about 'slow, boring games' when the NFL manages to turn half an hour of action into 4 hours of pauses and ten second plays.

You're not very far off the mark. An American football match is supposed to last 60 minutes. With all the interruptions -some inherent to the game itself, but most due to the requirements of the TV networks- the average match (or "game", as Americans call it) takes about 3 hours to be played.

Its about the stadium experience. If any other stadium claimed this record this way everyone would be cheering for them. Jealousy is a bitch on this site.

If any other stadium claimed this record this way everyone would be cheering for them. Jealousy is a bitch on this site.

quit with the everyone hates only us bullshit. People would complain no matter who did it, if they used the same method of inflating the attendence.

quit with the everyone hates only us bullshit. People would complain no matter who did it, if they used the same method of inflating the attendence.

Yeah, I'm pretty neutral to Jones and the Cowboys, but I call bull on this trick bigtime.

I still Dont see how it was a trick. I was at the game, It made since to me.

Its about the stadium experience. If any other stadium claimed this record this way everyone would be cheering for them. Jealousy is a bitch on this site.

LOL ... I love how clearly empirical measurements such as attendance have become a subjective issue now ... "it is about the stadium experience" ... lmao ...

No jealousy here. Its all a matter of being fair.

OK, we have been arguing over this attendance record for SEVEN PAGES of posts now (at 16 posts a page), can you guys GIVE IT UP ALREADY?

Some people like the record, some people think it is a fraud, and no one is going to change their minds. Stop arguing over this and move on with your lives!

*In his best Napoleon Dydomite impersonation* Gosh!

Matthew

FACT: No one that attended that game or any other game at Cowboys Stadium sides with the "bullshit" or "fraud" people. WHY: Because they have seen how the stadium is set up and know what they are talking about from experience and not listening to ignorant people who are only speculating or assuming.

And as far as American football vs. soccer: We Americans demand more from our sports than to watch a game where there are only just a few moments of excitement. Example: I watched one of the soccer matches that took place at Cowboys Stadium (just to see the stadium) and many times the ball was slowly kicked from one end of the field to the other. It got exciteing when someone got close to the other goal because the rest of the game was so mundane!! Whereas in AF, every play has excitement. Not just the ones in the RedZone!

FACT: No one that attended that game or any other game at Cowboys Stadium sides with the "bullshit" or "fraud" people. WHY: Because they have seen how the stadium is set up and know what they are talking about from experience and not listening to ignorant people who are only speculating or assuming.



Yeah...15k people standing OUTSIDE the stadium really counts. :lol:

FACT: No one that attended that game or any other game at Cowboys Stadium sides with the "bullshit" or "fraud" people. WHY: Because they have seen how the stadium is set up and know what they are talking about from experience and not listening to ignorant people who are only speculating or assuming.

And as far as American football vs. soccer: We Americans demand more from our sports than to watch a game where there are only just a few moments of excitement. Example: I watched one of the soccer matches that took place at Cowboys Stadium (just to see the stadium) and many times the ball was slowly kicked from one end of the field to the other. It got exciteing when someone got close to the other goal because the rest of the game was so mundane!! Whereas in AF, every play has excitement. Not just the ones in the RedZone!

The mere fact that you are going on about how one sport is more exciting than the other as if that is something not subjective at all tells me that you should not be taken seriously.

And as far as American football vs. soccer: We Americans demand more from our sports than to watch a game where there are only just a few moments of excitement. Example: I watched one of the soccer matches that took place at Cowboys Stadium (just to see the stadium) and many times the ball was slowly kicked from one end of the field to the other. It got exciteing when someone got close to the other goal because the rest of the game was so mundane!! Whereas in AF, every play has excitement. Not just the ones in the RedZone!

Watch a premier league game live and you'll see.

I don't get this jealousy thing. It's the fact that people are buying tickets and not having a dedicated, guaranteed space for them inside the stadium so that they can watch the game. If you're not allowed into the seating bowl because you don't have a ticket to watch inside, then you're not attending.

And as far as American football vs. soccer: We Americans demand more from our sports than to watch a game where there are only just a few moments of excitement. Example: I watched one of the soccer matches that took place at Cowboys Stadium (just to see the stadium) and many times the ball was slowly kicked from one end of the field to the other. It got exciteing when someone got close to the other goal because the rest of the game was so mundane!! Whereas in AF, every play has excitement. Not just the ones in the RedZone!

Yes, it's entirely fair to compare a friendly "sawker" game to the NFL. Watch a premier League or La Liga match that actually means something and you'll find a lot more excitement.

Anyway, not every American Football game is full of excitement, the Browns/Bills game a couple of weeks ago was one the most pathetic excuses for a game of professional sport I think I've ever witnessed. I'm still a fan though because I don't judge the whole sport on one bad experience watching it.

And as far as American football vs. soccer: We Americans demand more from our sports than to watch a game where there are only just a few moments of excitement. Example: I watched one of the soccer matches that took place at Cowboys Stadium (just to see the stadium) and many times the ball was slowly kicked from one end of the field to the other. It got exciteing when someone got close to the other goal because the rest of the game was so mundane!! Whereas in AF, every play has excitement. Not just the ones in the RedZone!

Come on you're talking about a summer pre season friendly, not an intense in season game. NFL pre season games are just as drab.

On excitement, a lot of people don't see gaining yards or a hit as exciting (you obviously do), it's all relative.

Excitement isn't the reason people love the game, the excitement is the peak but the ebb & flow and anticipation is the bread and butter. You don't get what people enjoy about it, that's alright but don't criticise what you don't understand.

Anyway, every play may have meaning in a close game but not all games are close and you get on average under 15 minutes of "excitemment" in 3 hours+ of real time play. Remember that!

stadium looks great for day games, just need to fix that BLINDING LIGHT FROM THE WEST ENZONE WINDOW.

made the look of the game on tv really unique . like the light and shadows at Texas stadium.
huh some cowboy fan

aahh blinding!
whoa has that giant tv always been there?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/11217735@N00/4052166316/sizes/l/in/set-72157622554956153

are those new led displays on the endzone stands? or are they just illuminated signs?

Lets set the record straight! I played soccer when I was a kid. I attended my High Schools soccer games from time to time. I watch the USA in the World Cup and Olympics (to support my country). I remember watching Pele playing in I believe (could be mistaken) what was his last game where he played for both teams. I even tried to get into indoor soccer or arena soccer (whatever you want to call it) because it was a little more action packed. I've even seen hundred of soccer highlights on ESPN and various other sports news programs. Point being, not 1 time have I ever came out of my seat during anything soccer that I've ever seen. Whereas I very rarely see any AF that I don't get excited! From PeeWee to Pros.
I'm sorry, I've tried to like soccer, but I don't. That's just me.
If you like soccer, more power to you.
My previous statement was a rebut to an earlier statement in this forum.

And finally: Don't think you know me, or what kind of person I am from the few statements that I have posted on this site. If you criticize any statement that I make in favor of American Football...YOU ARE A BIG OLE HYPOCRIT!!

^^ Shut up, this thread is about the stadium, not about your opinion

Lets set the record straight! I played soccer when I was a kid. I attended my High Schools soccer games from time to time. I watch the USA in the World Cup and Olympics (to support my country). I remember watching Pele playing in I believe (could be mistaken) what was his last game where he played for both teams. I even tried to get into indoor soccer or arena soccer (whatever you want to call it) because it was a little more action packed. I've even seen hundred of soccer highlights on ESPN and various other sports news programs. Point being, not 1 time have I ever came out of my seat during anything soccer that I've ever seen. Whereas I very rarely see any AF that I don't get excited! From PeeWee to Pros.
I'm sorry, I've tried to like soccer, but I don't. That's just me.
If you like soccer, more power to you.
My previous statement was a rebut to an earlier statement in this forum.

And finally: Don't think you know me, or what kind of person I am from the few statements that I have posted on this site. If you criticize any statement that I make in favor of American Football...YOU ARE A BIG OLE HYPOCRIT!!

and the point of this post was?

Come on you're talking about a summer pre season friendly, not an intense in season game. NFL pre season games are just as drab.

On excitement, a lot of people don't see gaining yards or a hit as exciting (you obviously do), it's all relative.

Excitement isn't the reason people love the game, the excitement is the peak but the ebb & flow and anticipation is the bread and butter. You don't get what people enjoy about it, that's alright but don't criticise what you don't understand.

Anyway, every play may have meaning in a close game but not all games are close and you get on average under 15 minutes of "excitemment" in 3 hours+ of real time play. Remember that!

Yes, it's entirely fair to compare a friendly "sawker" game to the NFL. Watch a premier League or La Liga match that actually means something and you'll find a lot more excitement.

Anyway, not every American Football game is full of excitement, the Browns/Bills game a couple of weeks ago was one the most pathetic excuses for a game of professional sport I think I've ever witnessed. I'm still a fan though because I don't judge the whole sport on one bad experience watching it.

Watch a premier league game live and you'll see.

The mere fact that you are going on about how one sport is more exciting than the other as if that is something not subjective at all tells me that you should not be taken seriously.

Oh and don't talk about 'slow, boring games' when the NFL manages to turn half an hour of action into 4 hours of pauses and ten second plays.

^^ore like 12 minutes of action (ball in play), it's a shame the cowboys fans had to deflect the attention away from bogus over-inflated attendance figures to which sport is "better". Arrogance and insecurity manifested as one me thinks.

I WONDER WHAT THE POINT OF MY POST WAS!

and what about those posts says that you should explain to the forum why you don't like a specific sport?

I'll answer for you, nothing.... you turned the debate from bogus attendance figures to which sport is better, but why? Have you got self esteem issues or something?

No one asked you to disrespect football in three different posts, and no one disrespected american football. Get off your soap box!

Please stay on topic. Thank you.

Lets set the record straight! I played soccer when I was a kid. I attended my High Schools soccer games from time to time. I watch the USA in the World Cup and Olympics (to support my country). I remember watching Pele playing in I believe (could be mistaken) what was his last game where he played for both teams. I even tried to get into indoor soccer or arena soccer (whatever you want to call it) because it was a little more action packed. I've even seen hundred of soccer highlights on ESPN and various other sports news programs. Point being, not 1 time have I ever came out of my seat during anything soccer that I've ever seen. Whereas I very rarely see any AF that I don't get excited! From PeeWee to Pros.
I'm sorry, I've tried to like soccer, but I don't. That's just me.
If you like soccer, more power to you.
My previous statement was a rebut to an earlier statement in this forum.

And finally: Don't think you know me, or what kind of person I am from the few statements that I have posted on this site. If you criticize any statement that I make in favor of American Football...YOU ARE A BIG OLE HYPOCRIT!!

(Sorry Mo, just one more off-topic reply...)

My comment was meant to be constructive, but clearly you've watched a lot of football in your time. I think it's the culture clash between fans of American football in the US and football in the UK. The whole occasion and atmosphere is different. If you went to an English ground with a set of away supporters I bet you would have seen nothing like it. That's what proper football is all about. If I went to an NFL game I bet I would have never experienced anything like it.

My point is that, beyond the techinicalities and rules of the sport itself, you can't state the merits of one sport compared to another until you've experienced it live.

(Sorry Mo, just one more off-topic reply...)

My comment was meant to be constructive, but clearly you've watched a lot of football in your time. I think it's the culture clash between fans of American football in the US and football in the UK. The whole occasion and atmosphere is different. If you went to an English ground with a set of away supporters I bet you would have seen nothing like it. That's what proper football is all about. If I went to an NFL game I bet I would have never experienced anything like it.

My point is that, beyond the techinicalities and rules of the sport itself, you can't state the merits of one sport compared to another until you've experienced it live.

Luke80, that is what I'm talking about. It is just "MY" likes and dislikes. I have tried in the past to like it, but I can't because to "ME", it is boring. However, I do appreciate the passion that people in this world have for the game.

As far as the ticket for attendance issue. People open your minds. There is absolutely no way to guarantee that someone that goes through the gates of any stadium in this world will actually go to their seat. I have seen in the past, people not ever going to their seat and standing in the concourse talking and partying with friends. I have no problem with that. You can't honestly think that anyone that buys a ticket and stays out in the plaza without ever coming in the stadium. Especially when the EndZone doors are wide open. Just think of the Party Pass tickets as SRO (Standing Room Only) if you will. That record is legit. Every argument that I have read on here can be said toward any attendance record in the world. The gates are not in the parking lot. They are in the entrances of the plazas. The plazas are fenced off from the parking lots and sides of the stadium. When you step through the plaza gates, you are mere feet from the stadium. I really don't know why so many people on here have a problem understanding that.

Now for something that is completely about the stadium. WHEN are the Super Bowl Championships and Emmitt Smith Rushing Record Banners going to be raised? This stadium is still not completely Dallas Cowboys ready until they go up!

But when standing with the endzone doors open, can they watch the game without looking at a TV screen?

If anyone has any pictures they can annotate to show where there extra 15,000 people are, this would be sorted out pretty quickly.

No punter has come close thus far since the Titans game. I love how all the windows took effect, it doesn't give a drab grey lighting like the Edward Jones Dome. A lot of natural light comes through and that's great.

I have a question about parking, the Wal-Mart across the street gets full pretty quick I imagine? Or is their a Cowboys official that stands waiting for people to park in the Wal-Mart parking lot?

Thanks and Go Cowboys!

I dont really care about boxing because WWF wrestling is more important and I really hate that, but here you go.....


Cowboys Stadium could host Pacquiao-Mayweather boxing match in March

IRVING – North Texas fans could be treated to some world-class boxing if the Dallas Cowboys and promoter Top Rank can nail down a March showdown between Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr. at Cowboys Stadium.

Bruce Trampler, vice president for Top Rank, said the company is trying to organize an evening of boxing at the new Arlington stadium that would include championship fights.

“Bob Arum (Top Rank president) has spoken directly to Jerry Jones. This would be an impressive site to hold a historical boxing event,” Trampler said in a phone interview.

The headliner fight would feature Pacquiao, the four-time world champion who currently holds the light welterweight crown from the World Boxing Council (WBC).

Pacquiao first is scheduled to fight World Boxing Organization (WBO) welterweight champ Manny Cotto November 14th in Las Vegas. If he wins that fight, promoters would next arrange for him to fight Mayweather in March in Arlington, Trampler said.

“Pacquiao is very interested in fighting there (in Cowboys Stadium),” Trampler said. “We would definitely try to schedule a fight with Mayweather in March, which is something fans have been waiting to see for some time.”

Brett Daniels, director of corporate communications for Cowboys Stadium, said the Cowboys organization is interested in the project.

“We’ve had some initial contacts. Nothing’s for sure yet, but it’s something we’ve always had in mind and that’s why we’re holding talks,” he said.

Once the Pacquiao-Mayweather match is secured, Top Rank will arrange several undercards, including one that features local Mexican-American prospect Roberto Marroquín, Trampler said.

“It would be Roberto’s first Pay-per-view event. We hope all the cards fall into place because we’re sure it’s going to be a successful event”, Trampler said.

The last big fight in Dallas took place in 2006 at American Airlines Center, where Evander Holyfield defeated Jeremy Bates in a non-title bout.

^^ Drool... drool to the max.

It really is an incredible stadium and puts to shame the likes of the Rams bland dome. I would love to watch the Saints play there. Hopefully next season. 10 out of 10.

are those new led displays on the endzone stands? or are they just illuminated signs?

I'm wondering that myself. If they are LED displays, that means this stadium has an awful lot of them

They show stats and Miller Adds

Wow, I guess that fight would be too big for MSG IV ?

Still waiting on the Championship and Emmitt banners!!!!

No, I'm not gonna give this up!!!!!

Like I heard a ESPN Radio personality say...

Dear New York City
You just built 3 new stadiums and none of them have a roof. What does that mean? No BCS, No Super Bowl, No Final Four, No Specialty games and no special events. Everything in the mid west and east coast will want to go to Dallas because they built a palace for sports. Yes playing in the elements is authentic and amazing but building a venue that allows you to use it to its potential year round is business and right now NYC just fell flat on its face..

^^^^^^^^^^^

You should send 'em up your 10 gallon hats to wear to keep the elements out.

Or better still they can get the 'urban sombrero' out of the J Peterman catalogue. :cheers:

Like I heard a ESPN Radio personality say...

Dear New York City
You just built 3 new stadiums and none of them have a roof. What does that mean? No BCS, No Super Bowl, No Final Four, No Specialty games and no special events. Everything in the mid west and east coast will want to go to Dallas because they built a palace for sports. Yes playing in the elements is authentic and amazing but building a venue that allows you to use it to its potential year round is business and right now NYC just fell flat on its face..

What a minute, Indianapolis just built a brand new 73,000 seat stadium in the downtown area with a whole lot more to do than where the stadium is in Dallas. By the time we have the 2012 SB, there should be at least 7800 hotel rooms connected to the mall, resturants, and Convention Center and the stadium all with out going outside...

http://onemansblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Cowboys-Stadium-Top-Seat-Views.jpg


Ontopic then again. It seemes to be this stadium is a great succes. Also it seemes to be that all games are sold out.
Thanks to the nice pictures found by Ganis it was quite an impression.
Question are there any planns or possiblelities for expansion? It should be quite easy with this stadium no? There is almost whole of the short end to expand and even easier it should be possible to go closer to the field.
The distence to the field is by the way the only thing which disopoints me it this moment. Atleast if this photo gives the right impression when the games are played. The distence is immense.
For the rest great stadium! Did I count 5 or 6 decks? Lost it half way.

why would they want to expand it? And Football stands are far away from the sidelines at all stadiums.

Like I heard a ESPN Radio personality say...

Dear New York City
You just built 3 new stadiums and none of them have a roof. What does that mean? No BCS, No Super Bowl, No Final Four, No Specialty games and no special events. Everything in the mid west and east coast will want to go to Dallas because they built a palace for sports. Yes playing in the elements is authentic and amazing but building a venue that allows you to use it to its potential year round is business and right now NYC just fell flat on its face..

Exactly what elements does the roof keep out in Arlington? :)

What a minute, Indianapolis just built a brand new 73,000 seat stadium in the downtown area with a whole lot more to do than where the stadium is in Dallas. By the time we have the 2012 SB, there should be at least 7800 hotel rooms connected to the mall, resturants, and Convention Center and the stadium all with out going outside...

I have heard that people are grumbling about which city will be worst, Detroit or Indianapolis to host. This is referring to the city themselves being, well quite boring.

Ontopic then again. It seemes to be this stadium is a great succes. Also it seemes to be that all games are sold out.
Thanks to the nice pictures found by Ganis it was quite an impression.
Question are there any planns or possiblelities for expansion? It should be quite easy with this stadium no? There is almost whole of the short end to expand and even easier it should be possible to go closer to the field.
The distence to the field is by the way the only thing which disopoints me it this moment. Atleast if this photo gives the right impression when the games are played. The distence is immense.
For the rest great stadium! Did I count 5 or 6 decks? Lost it half way.

It's the Dallas Cowboys, they sellout even when they lose. They are a BIG football market.

Why would the Cowboys want to expand? The thing already has the highest capacity in the NFL.

It's the Dallas Cowboys, they sellout even when they lose. They are a BIG football market.

Why would the Cowboys want to expand? The thing already has the highest capacity in the NFL.

Even though Dallas is a great football city, increasing capacity would lessen the demand for tickets and I'm not sure they could charge as much as they are now. I guarantee you that Jerry and Co. did studies on what capacity best maximizes profit with capacity vs. demand.

Even though Dallas is a great football city, increasing capacity would lessen the demand for tickets and I'm not sure they could charge as much as they are now. I guarantee you that Jerry and Co. did studies on what capacity best maximizes profit with capacity vs. demand.

Well of course he did, it's a prudent move given the massive investment that was put into the stadium. NFL stadiums are not designed in a manner where you can have 80-90,000 seats and still have it have some semblance of a intimate feel. Adding in say 8-10,000 seats in this place would push fans ever further back and if it weren't for the roof, the stadium would have a terrible atmosphere.

I honestly think the Cowboys could sell over 150,000 tickets to every home game. The same could be said for markets such as New England, Chicago, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, New York. That number is for if they actually had venues north of 150,000, or more than 150,000 people willing to buy tickets.

That could not be said for small markets such as Indianapolis, Miami, St. Louis, etc. Those cities are small markets for sports. I don't think you would ever see 150,000 people willing to pay to see the Colts. It really says something when they get a brand new stadium and it is the second smallest in the league. (Chicago has the smallest, but they essentially built their stadium on top of the old one)

I also made a mistake above, Cowboys Stadium has the second highest capacity.

I have heard that people are grumbling about which city will be worst, Detroit or Indianapolis to host. This is referring to the city themselves being, well quite boring.

:lol: Who are you listening to? Teenagers?

Detroit has some great gambling and some cool bars downtown.

Indy has been regarded as the best host city for the Final Four for years. They also have great restaurants and bars, and everything is walking distance.

we will know in back to back year who is better. Arlington or Indy when both host the super bowl back to back.

The ultimate Super Bowl host is Miami, and I can't really see a contender.
Great weather, over capacity of hotels, great things to do, a beautiful beach.

It only lacks a great stadium in a more central location.

The ultimate Super Bowl host is Miami, and I can't really see a contender.
Great weather, over capacity of hotels, great things to do, a beautiful beach.

It only lacks a great stadium in a more central location.

That's debatable. In many ways, Miami represents everything the NFL isn't, or was not founded on. Warm weather, a poor (support) fan base (Miami), glitz and glamor.

Personally, I think the NFL does the Super Bowl wrong by the allotment of tickets. I don't know how many of you have ever been, but I have been lucky enough to attend 6 games and the atmosphere is pretty poor. More tickets should be given to the 2 teams participating than they currently give.

I think Dallas will be a fine host. It's a football crazy area, has a great venue and is a pretty nice city as well.

The ultimate Super Bowl host is Miami, and I can't really see a contender.
Great weather, over capacity of hotels, great things to do, a beautiful beach.

It only lacks a great stadium in a more central location.

Great Weather? San Diego
Over Capacity of Hotels? San Diego
Great things to do and see? San Diego
Beautiful Beach? San Diego
Needs a new stadium? San Diego

There's a contender, alright.

Great Weather? San Diego
Over Capacity of Hotels? San Diego
Great things to do and see? San Diego
Beautiful Beach? San Diego
Needs a new stadium? San Diego

There's a contender, alright.

You are absolutely right about San Diego. Personally, San Diego is a better city than Miami is.

That's debatable. In many ways, Miami represents everything the NFL isn't, or was not founded on. Warm weather, a poor (support) fan base (Miami), glitz and glamor.

Personally, I think the NFL does the Super Bowl wrong by the allotment of tickets. I don't know how many of you have ever been, but I have been lucky enough to attend 6 games and the atmosphere is pretty poor. More tickets should be given to the 2 teams participating than they currently give.

I think Dallas will be a fine host. It's a football crazy area, has a great venue and is a pretty nice city as well.

Here's the thing I am afraid of. The media is going to kill DFW the same way they did Houston, Detroit, and Jacksonville (especially). It's inevitable. They dislike the fact that everything is not centrally located for one. DFW has enough hotel space. But I don't think they care to stay in a hotel in Bedford. I think the media will be at the Gaylord Hotel. That's annoying IMO. Great place but to far. Not to mention that while Dallas will have better rail transit by 2011. DFW as a whole pretty much sucks because the cities between D and FW does not care to ever get rail, it seems. The way the entire superbowl week and weekend is, I am afraid Dallas will be embarrassed. While Dallas loves it's football, it won't stop the media from treating Dallas as a dumb blond on a hot date.

we will know in back to back year who is better. Arlington or Indy when both host the super bowl back to back.

Indy may not be America's most exciting city but it IS a nice city and there are things to do...but more importantly, their new stadium is IN Indianapolis not out in Fishers.

Not to mention that while Dallas will have better rail transit by 2011. DFW as a whole pretty much sucks because the cities between D and FW does not care to ever get rail, it seems.

You mean ONE city. ARLINGTON !

Most of the area suburbs are jumping onto the light rail bandwagon. Most of the cities in Dallas County are apart of DART and are working to expand light rail to their cities and Tarrant county cities are working to implement plans for light rail.

except Arlington :ohno:

The TRE is cool and all but there needs to be a Commuter Rail Line between DT Dallas and Ft Worth that runs along I 30 and has stops at Lone Star Park, Six Flags/Ball Park in Arlington and The Cowboys stadium and a few other stops.

A great portion of the nation will get Cowboy games every week. I currently live in the DC area and we've seen each and every Cowboy game so far including the Tampa game.
So, that's because Dallas and DC are in the same division, their games hold relevance to the DC area. The same goes for how we here in Wisconsin will see many Minnesota, Bears, and Lions games when the Packers aren't playing them because they are all in the North division, their games hold relevance to us. I've only seen one Dallas game this year and it was the other week when the Packers kicked the Boy's arse's so badly that they almost got shut out for the first time in decades, LOL that was a trouncing!! Otherwise the only other Boy's game that was available to watch up here was the Monday night game, that's it.

However, to get on topic of the thread, Jerry's World is truely amazing, both inside and out. I absolutely love it, too bad I hate the team.

That's debatable. In many ways, Miami represents everything the NFL isn't, or was not founded on. Warm weather, a poor (support) fan base (Miami), glitz and glamor.
Haha, the NFL "isn't" warm weather? :D
The support base isn't that bad. The teams been really lousy the past couple of years, but things are starting to turn around.

Personally, I think the NFL does the Super Bowl wrong by the allotment of tickets. I don't know how many of you have ever been, but I have been lucky enough to attend 6 games and the atmosphere is pretty poor. More tickets should be given to the 2 teams participating than they currently give.


I agree.

Great Weather? San Diego
Over Capacity of Hotels? San Diego
Great things to do and see? San Diego
Beautiful Beach? San Diego
Needs a new stadium? San Diego

There's a contender, alright.

San Diego is good, but the weather isn't comparable to Miami. Right know (evening) it's 54 in SD but 75 in Miami...

Sure there are hotels, but in such a variety as Miami? And as close to the good stuff?

What in SD is comparable to the art deco district, the Everglades or a trip to Key West?

South Beach is the shit. :)

I have heard that people are grumbling about which city will be worst, Detroit or Indianapolis to host. This is referring to the city themselves being, well quite boring.

Ummm, what? And what is there to do in Arlington? How far is the stadium from downtown Dallas? It really doesn't matter where the SB will be. Its all about the weather. Remember SB 41. A total rain out. If you happen to see the plans for Indy in 2012, they are planning on having the whole downtown blocked off and turned into a party zone. If I'm not mistaken, I'm pretty sure that alot of reporters and people have said that Miami is to spread out. Dallas stadium is to far from anything. Same with the Arizona stadium. I'm from Indy and I don't think it will be boring. Are you telling me, that whatever fans from both teams in the SB are going to have a bad time no matter where it is or what the weather is?

I've always thought New Orleans was the most perfect place for the Super Bowl. It is definately the best party place to have it. Honestly, if you have tickets to the Super Bowl and a few days to spend where would you rather spend it, at the San Diego zoo, some bar in Indy, or on Bourbon Street?

Haha, the NFL "isn't" warm weather? :D
The support base isn't that bad. The teams been really lousy the past couple of years, but things are starting to turn around.



I agree.



San Diego is good, but the weather isn't comparable to Miami. Right know (evening) it's 54 in SD but 75 in Miami...

Sure there are hotels, but in such a variety as Miami? And as close to the good stuff?

What in SD is comparable to the art deco district, the Everglades or a trip to Key West?

South Beach is the shit. :)

A trip to Key West is not exactly an easy thing. It's a solid 2.5 hour drive, assuming traffic is not too bad.

I would say Coranado, the San Diego Zoo and San Diego's downtown is (in my mind is better than Miami's) are all solid options.

I've always thought New Orleans was the most perfect place for the Super Bowl. It is definately the best party place to have it. Honestly, if you have tickets to the Super Bowl and a few days to spend where would you rather spend it, at the San Diego zoon, some bar in Indy, or on Bourbon Street?

Bourbon Street first, San Diego Zoo second an bar in Indy last.

Ummm, what? And what is there to do in Arlington? How far is the stadium from downtown Dallas? It really doesn't matter where the SB will be. Its all about the weather. Remember SB 41. A total rain out. If you happen to see the plans for Indy in 2012, they are planning on having the whole downtown blocked off and turned into a party zone. If I'm not mistaken, I'm pretty sure that alot of reporters and people have said that Miami is to spread out. Dallas stadium is to far from anything. Same with the Arizona stadium. I'm from Indy and I don't think it will be boring. Are you telling me, that whatever fans from both teams in the SB are going to have a bad time no matter where it is or what the weather is?

Closing the downtown sounds like a lame idea if you ask me.

Dallas itself is a much better city than Indy is. (in my mind)

I am saying that fans from the teams competing in the SB may not have as good a time in one city (Indy and Detroit) than others (Miami, San Diego).
This is all opinion of course. I know a number of people who went to Detroit for the SB and said it was terrible.

I also went to the SB when it was in Tempe and had a good time, but things were too spreadout.

You also have to understand that the major US cities that are more compact so to speak, or have solid mass transit systems, Philadelphia, Boston, New York, Chicago, San Francisco for example, all do not have the weather, or roofed Stadiums to have the game.

The same could be said for the Final 4. The NCAA would probabaly LOVE to have facilities that meet their capacity requirements in Boston, New York, Chicago, etc.

I still think Dallas will be a fine city for the SB.

I'm sure Dallas will do a fine job. Same as I think Indy will do a fine job. One thing Indy does do better is handle large convention and crowds. Indy 500, Brickyard 400. Everything you said about being compacted has downtown Indys name all over it. By 2012, Indy will have 8600 hotels room connected directly to the CC and stadium. The brand new airport is only 10 mins aways. There is already talks for a light rail system to connect both, which will end right across the new stadium. Also there is talks about putting gambling at the train station or Union Station. But like you said, this is all just my opinion.

You wanna compare like that????

DFW Hosts 2 major Nascar Races as well. Not allot of Final Fours do to the fact that they are now played in stadiums, not arenas, and we are one of the top Convention Cities with a shit load of hotels in both Dallas, Fort Worth and Grapevine. DART is already in place and being extended, nations 5th largest airport is 10 minutes away... etc etc etc.

You wanna compare like that????

DFW Hosts 2 major Nascar Races as well. Not allot of Final Fours do to the fact that they are now played in stadiums, not arenas, and we are one of the top Convention Cities with a shit load of hotels in both Dallas, Fort Worth and Grapevine. DART is already in place and being extended, nations 5th largest airport is 10 minutes away... etc etc etc.

Do you have any idea how many people attend the Indianapolis 500 every year?
DART is in place? At the stadium? In Arlington?
Like I pointed out up-post a bit, the Colts don't play their games in Fishers.

Its not the DART's fault it is not in Arlington, that is all on Arlington. And when people come for the 2 nascar races at TMS, more then 300,000 gather to party in the immediate area. DFW can easily out do Indy, No ands, ifs or Buts about it. WE HAVE THE DALLAS COWBOYS, THATS LIKE A SUPER EVENT EVERY HOME GAME!

Its not the DART's fault it is not in Arlington, that is all on Arlington.

Doesn't matter whose "fault" it is, DART is not in Arlington. You suggested DART's presence was a plus.


When people come for the 2 nascar races at TMS, more then 300,000 gather to party in the immediate area.

Answer me this: How many people attend the Indy 500 every year?

DFW can easily out do Indy, No ands, ifs or Buts about it. WE HAVE THE DALLAS COWBOYS, THATS LIKE A SUPER EVENT EVERY HOME GAME!

Give me a break. You don't honestly believe that do you? Hosting a regular season game is nothing like hosting a Super Bowl.

Come watch a football game down here little man. No State does Football Like Texas. Besides, No way Indy will have light rail up in 2 year when it previously was not set up at all. Its take us 3 just to add new lines to DART. And if the Indy 500 is your only argument (a bunch of pretentious race nuts) then please stop. How about those Texans?

Come watch a football game down here little man.

Pardon me?

Some Photos I gatherd off flickr of Texas Tech beating Baylor.... So when will the Big 12 kick out Baylor and bring in TCU?

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So why isn't that new stadium in Indy hosting any College games?

didnt the mitsubishi electric sign used to be below the screen?

I've always thought New Orleans was the most perfect place for the Super Bowl. It is definately the best party place to have it. Honestly, if you have tickets to the Super Bowl and a few days to spend where would you rather spend it, at the San Diego zoo, some bar in Indy, or on Bourbon Street?
Gee, I don't know. How about... South Beach? ;)

A trip to Key West is not exactly an easy thing. It's a solid 2.5 hour drive, assuming traffic is not too bad.
True, but the road is so breath taking that you dont mind it one bit.

And the Everglades are much nearer.

I would say Coranado, the San Diego Zoo and San Diego's downtown is (in my mind is better than Miami's) are all solid options.


I suppose we all differ, but I'd say that the new sparkling down town of Miami is a bit better.
And if you dont like skyscrapers, one can always go to the "other down town" of Miami Beach. :)

Gee, I don't know. How about... South Beach? ;)


True, but the road is so breath taking that you dont mind it one bit.

And the Everglades are much nearer.


I suppose we all differ, but I'd say that the new sparkling down town of Miami is a bit better.
And if you dont like skyscrapers, one can always go to the "other down town" of Miami Beach. :)

Downtown Miami is still very poor when you compare it to other cities. There still is not a whole lot going on there regardless of the new condo towers.

Come watch a football game down here little man. No State does Football Like Texas. Besides, No way Indy will have light rail up in 2 year when it previously was not set up at all. Its take us 3 just to add new lines to DART. And if the Indy 500 is your only argument (a bunch of pretentious race nuts) then please stop. How about those Texans?

Get off your high horse Ganis. Dont dare call anyone pretentious before looking at yourself first.

Some Photos I gatherd off flickr of Texas Tech beating Baylor.... So when will the Big 12 kick out Baylor and bring in TCU?
Probably never, since Baylor outdraws TCU every season -- including this one.

So why isn't that new stadium in Indy hosting any College games?
Probably because most nearby schools (Purdue, Notre Dame, etc.) already have larger stadiums (or, in Indiana's case, don't need one).

Moving the Purdue-Indiana game there would make sense, however.

Downtown Miami is still very poor when you compare it to other cities. There still is not a whole lot going on there regardless of the new condo towers.
Funny you should say that. A contribution from today in the Miami forum on just that topic.
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So why isn't that new stadium in Indy hosting any College games?

If there has ever been a case of "Hey look at me!" syndrome, then Jerry Jones and Cowboys Stadium are definitely suffering from it. None of the college games played at the stadium this year really needed to be played there. Its simply a marketing tool.

If Lucas Oil feels like they dont need to host college games, then good for them.

can we stop talking about Miami in here? NO ONE CARES.

We do have college games. Lots of them. I won't look for the pics, but we do have the Big Ten, Black Expo. Oh by the way, does Dallas have both Final Fours every 5 years, for the next 30+ years? Well, Indy does.. That should be about 14 Final Fours starting this year. And please don't compare other other races with the two biggest ( in attendance) of both motor sports. Indy 500 and the Brichyard 400. Plus, the track is about 6 miles from downtown.

only biggest in attendance because the track is so big. You know, If new york was building a domed football stadium, Im sure the Super Bowl would be in New York every 5 years because that is where the NFL HQ is. Point being that if the NCAA HQ was in Dallas the Final Four would be in Dallas every 5 years, so dont get all cocky because someone made a mistake of locating their HQ there.

only biggest in attendance because the track is so big. You know, If new york was building a domed football stadium, Im sure the Super Bowl would be in New York every 5 years because that is where the NFL HQ is. Point being that if the NCAA HQ was in Dallas the Final Four would be in Dallas every 5 years, so dont get all cocky because someone made a mistake of locating their HQ there.

None of the bullshit you just stated changes the fact that Indy, despite having a population less than a sixth of the dallas-fort worth metropolitan area, hosts some of the biggest sporting events in the country, including THE Indianapolis 500, still the biggest single-day sporting event in the world.

Oh and I compared Indys city population against the dallas-fortworth metro area because Indy does all of this inside their own city limits.

only biggest in attendance because the track is so big.

What?!?:nuts:

Do you think those hundreds of thousands of people show up every single year because of the track size?
So if the Boy Scouts held their next Pinewood Derby at the Brickyard they'd get a half million people?

May I please have what you've been smoking? It seems like it would be pretty great.

The point is they come and Indy hosts them. Not every once in a while like a Dallas Superbowl, but EVERY SINGLE BLOODY YEAR.

Any many more people will be at next year's 500 than will ever attend your DFW Superbowl.

We do have college games. Lots of them. I won't look for the pics, but we do have the Big Ten, Black Expo. Oh by the way, does Dallas have both Final Fours every 5 years, for the next 30+ years? Well, Indy does.. That should be about 14 Final Fours starting this year. And please don't compare other other races with the two biggest ( in attendance) of both motor sports. Indy 500 and the Brichyard 400. Plus, the track is about 6 miles from downtown.

2 things, I think the NCAA being headquartered in Indy plays a factor in this. Also, there are a limited number of cities that can host the final 4 now that the NCAA insists that the capacity be over 65,000 for all Final Four venues. If that were not the case, Indy would see far less than they currently do. The NCAA would want the game hosted in bigger, more exposed cities like New York, Boston, Chicago, LA, San Fran, etc.

only biggest in attendance because the track is so big. You know, If new york was building a domed football stadium, Im sure the Super Bowl would be in New York every 5 years because that is where the NFL HQ is. Point being that if the NCAA HQ was in Dallas the Final Four would be in Dallas every 5 years, so dont get all cocky because someone made a mistake of locating their HQ there.

Insulting other people just makes you look weak Dallasbrink.

Saying its a mistake to have the NCAA HQ there just proves your ignorance towards college sports.

Ganis is a little bitch that has already been banned once under the username "dallasbrink".

This person is a classic homer troll that thinks their hometown is the be all end all of the universe and the rest of the world sucks.

So why isn't that new stadium in Indy hosting any College games?

Because the Colts are light years better than the Cowboys.

Yep Ganis is a tool on every thread.
Just post pics G.

None of the college games played at the stadium this year really needed to be played there. Its simply a marketing tool.
The Cotton Bowl is now in a much better position to become a BCS game, I know that much.

The Cotton Bowl is now in a much better position to become a BCS game, I know that much.

The Cotton Bowl will never become a BCS game. There are already have 5 games and adding a 6th game would dilute the importance of going to one.

I also think it's sad to see the Cotton Bowl be moved to Cowboys Stadium.

Because the Colts are light years better than the Cowboys.

That has nothing to do with it. Perhaps in the last 6 or 7 years, yes. But as a whole, no way. Besides, the Cowboys fan base in their home area is much larger than the Colts. Once Peyton Manning retires, the Colts will hold no appeal to the national media. The Cowboys will always hold big appeal to the national media. Almost like a Notre Dame, except the Cowboys have winning seasons.

The Cotton Bowl will never become a BCS game. There are already have 5 games and adding a 6th game would dilute the importance of going to one.

I also think it's sad to see the Cotton Bowl be moved to Cowboys Stadium.
The Cotton Bowl was one of the original major bowl games, long before the Fiesta Bowl was even conceived. It was only through the decline of the Southwest Conference and the January 1987 national championship game that the Fiesta succeeded the Cotton in prestige. The decrepit state of the stadium didn't help matters, either, which obviously is no longer a problem.

That has nothing to do with it. Perhaps in the last 6 or 7 years, yes. But as a whole, no way. Besides, the Cowboys fan base in their home area is much larger than the Colts. Once Peyton Manning retires, the Colts will hold no appeal to the national media. The Cowboys will always hold big appeal to the national media. Almost like a Notre Dame, except the Cowboys have winning seasons.
Notre Dame has "winning" seasons, too...just not WINNING seasons.

Apparently there was an accident with the maintenance crew at the roof of the stadium last night ... last I heard, they (2 workers) were taken to the hospital and were reported to be in serious condition. Hopefully everything turns out fine.

Yep Ganis is a tool on every thread.
Just post pics G.

8 post in and you already think you know everything? Am I a homer? yes. Do i defend my points to the end.. Yes. Do i Care what en or hoosier say? Actually I have no idea what they ever say since there is just a blank spot every time they post, much like what I will see every time you post from now on. Welcome to skyscrapercity.com!

The Cotton Bowl will never become a BCS game. There are already have 5 games and adding a 6th game would dilute the importance of going to one.

I also think it's sad to see the Cotton Bowl be moved to Cowboys Stadium.

6 games? No, when the Cotton Bowl is added to the BCS rotation they will alternate what game is the BCS Championship game like they did before adding the 5th. It has already been demonstrated that Miami, New Orleans and Phoenix can not handle 2 major games like this just 5 days apart, so a 5th location needs to be added. The Cotton Bowl is one of the originals and its a crime it has never been added.

I don't know everything but unfortunately I only know you.
just post pics G.

It has already been demonstrated that Miami, New Orleans and Phoenix can not handle 2 major games like this just 5 days apart, so a 5th location needs to be added.

Horsecrap man, I know NO did a great job. I'm sure Miami and Phx both did a great job too. That was just a typical comment from the guy that thinks that Dallas is much better than it actually is. The reason it was never added is because there is nothing to do in Dallas. Typical Texas remark by Ganis.

What Ganis is saying is a little skewed...the truth be known...the BCS is complete horsecrap. It is just a way that the powers at be can still feel like they control who wins a National Championship. This season will prove to be the absolute and complete proof that a playoff system has to be implemented into College football. Proof...the season will end with more than one undefeated team, but only 1 National Champion. The other undefeated team(s) will have done everything that they possibly could have done, and be told by people, some who have never actually played the game, that they aren't the best even though no one ever beat them. PLAY THE GAME AND LET THE WINNERS OF THE GAME BE NATIONAL CHAMPS.

If they refuse to let the players determine the National Championship, come up with a mathematical system that no human has a say. If they do this, you will see a great drop in the amount of SEC National Championship teams. Proof of this bias is the fact that Florida and Alabama barely won several games this season against teams that weren't even Nationally ranked and then gained strength in the polls, whereas Texas only came close to losing one game this season against the #5 ranked team at that time, and slightly dropped in the polls. When someone can ernestly justify that reasoning, I will finally agree with the current system.

With that being said, the Cotton Bowl (which is one of the oldest and greatest of all bowl games), now that it will be in Cowboys Stadium, should be in the National Championship rotation. The only reason it wasn't in the first place was the weather conditions in Dallas at that time of year, which is no longer a problem!

Horsecrap man, I know NO did a great job. I'm sure Miami and Phx both did a great job too. That was just a typical comment from the guy that thinks that Dallas is much better than it actually is. The reason it was never added is because there is nothing to do in Dallas. Typical Texas remark by Ganis.
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Nothing to do in Dallas?!

Please don't go there...you really don't wanna go there...

What Ganis is saying is a little skewed...the truth be known...the BCS is complete horsecrap. It is just a way that the powers at be can still feel like they control who wins a National Championship. This season will prove to be the absolute and complete proof that a playoff system has to be implemented into College football. Proof...the season will end with more than one undefeated team, but only 1 National Champion. The other undefeated team(s) will have done everything that they possibly could have done, and be told by people, some who have never actually played the game, that they aren't the best even though no one ever beat them. PLAY THE GAME AND LET THE WINNERS OF THE GAME BE NATIONAL CHAMPS.

If they refuse to let the players determine the National Championship, come up with a mathematical system that no human has a say. If they do this, you will see a great drop in the amount of SEC National Championship teams. Proof of this bias is the fact that Florida and Alabama barely won several games this season against teams that weren't even Nationally ranked and then gained strength in the polls, whereas Texas only came close to losing one game this season against the #5 ranked team at that time, and slightly dropped in the polls. When someone can ernestly justify that reasoning, I will finally agree with the current system.

With that being said, the Cotton Bowl (which is one of the oldest and greatest of all bowl games), now that it will be in Cowboys Stadium, should be in the National Championship rotation. The only reason it wasn't in the first place was the weather conditions in Dallas at that time of year, which is no longer a problem!

do you think texas will go to the national championship if they win the big 12 ? what happens with tcu then ?

TCU will be stuck out, and so will Cincinnati and Boise St. And that is just not right!

Once Peyton Manning retires, the Colts will hold no appeal to the national media.

Any team that WINS hold appeal for the national media, and the Colts are much more than Peyton Manning, who has 4-5 more seasons to go before he retires. The front office is one of the best in the league and so is the owner.

Perhaps in the last 6 or 7 years, yes. But as a whole, no way.

Try the last decade.

Almost like a Notre Dame, except the Cowboys have winning seasons.

The Cowboys are regarded as a joke nationally. Be it TO's bitching and moaning, Tony Romo's mediocrity and inability to win in December, or Jerruh's ridiculous ego, the Cowboys are an overhyped and underachieving team and have been for fifteen years.

8 post in and you already think you know everything? Am I a homer? yes. Do i defend my points to the end.. Yes. Do i Care what en or hoosier say? Actually I have no idea what they ever say since there is just a blank spot every time they post, much like what I will see every time you post from now on. Welcome to skyscrapercity.com!



You are an uneducated tool that posts complete bullshit and can't back up anything you type. You are a JOKE. I could post commas and still contribute more than you.

Any team that WINS hold appeal for the national media, and the Colts are much more than Peyton Manning, who has 4-5 more seasons to go before he retires. The front office is one of the best in the league and so is the owner.

No offense, but the Colts play in Indy. A small metro area, small TV market and not a ton of national recognition. Without Peyton Manning, a great QB, the Colts would not be featured as much as they are. Dallas, a larger metro area, TV market, and more nationally known, and the fact that the Cowboys have a ton of history, makes them a much more appealing team.

[QUOTE=hoosier;47344807]Try the last decade.[/QUOTE

Oh, I am sorry. I forgot the 6-10 2001 season the Colts had.

TCU will be stuck out, and so will Cincinnati and Boise St. And that is just not right!

I would love to see Texas lose to Nebraska and see what the BCS does. You would have either an undefeated Alabama, or Florida guaranteed to get in and then you would have Cincy, TCU and Boise State all undefeated. I would not be surprised if a one loss Texas got in.


FBS really needs a playoff. But it will never happen thanks to the damn bowls having so much power. It's sad that D2, D3, etc. all have a solid playoff system in place.

No offense, but the Colts play in Indy. A small metro area, small TV market and not a ton of national recognition. Without Peyton Manning, a great QB, the Colts would not be featured as much as they are. Dallas, a larger metro area, TV market, and more nationally known, and the fact that the Cowboys have a ton of history, makes them a much more appealing team.

Oh, I am sorry. I forgot the 6-10 2001 season the Colts had.

That 6-10 record was still better than the 5-11 record that Dallas had in 2001.

What the hell are you talking about when you say "no national recognition"? The Colts have plenty of national recognition and deservedly so. Dallas has done dick the last fifteen seasons and is living off of the 70s and early 90s.

Any team that wins gets national recognition, except the Cowboys who get their national attention because of what a soap opera they are.

That 6-10 record was still better than the 5-11 record that Dallas had in 2001.

What the hell are you talking about when you say "no national recognition"? The Colts have plenty of national recognition and deservedly so. Dallas has done dick the last fifteen seasons and is living off of the 70s and early 90s.

Any team that wins gets national recognition, except the Cowboys who get their national attention because of what a soap opera they are.

I mentioned the 6-10 2001 season because you said the Colts have been winners for a decade, when I said they have been for the last 6-7 years.

You did not understand my comment. The city of Indianapolis is small, the metro area is small, they have a small TV market when compared to DFW. Those factors, combined with the history of the Cowboys, are why they receive national attention. The Colts will not see as many natinoally televised games when Peyton Manning retires, regardless of if they continue to have winning seasons. He IS the Colts.

I mentioned the 6-10 2001 season because you said the Colts have been winners for a decade, when I said they have been for the last 6-7 years.

You did not understand my comment. The city of Indianapolis is small, the metro area is small, they have a small TV market when compared to DFW. Those factors, combined with the history of the Cowboys, are why they receive national attention. The Colts will not see as many natinoally televised games when Peyton Manning retires, regardless of if they continue to have winning seasons. He IS the Colts.

I don't really see what the metro area has to do with their TV market, the Colts are pretty much beloved all across Indiana.

^^ Beyond that I also don't see what TV market or metro size has to do with national attention. If it did we would hardly have heard about the Green Bay Packers. Dallas gets a lot of attention around the country because it gained a lot of fans during its glory years. Front-running fans for sure, but fans none-the-less. I also think there are a number of us out here who are happy to watch the Cowboys lose because no matter what part of the country we're in we're forced to deal with Cowboys fans. The past several years have been good to us in that regard.

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Many of us enjoy seeing Tony Romo wearing that Opie Taylor goofy look on his face when he fails in the post-season. And last year's crying histrionics from T.O. were also a sight to behold. Very enjoyable.

Well the stadium looked gorgeous hosting the Big 12 Championship game. If only the Husker offense could've done something. It was literally a 1 second and 1 point game.

FBS really needs a playoff. But it will never happen thanks to the damn bowls having so much power. It's sad that D2, D3, etc. all have a solid playoff system in place.
Sad thing is, they could easily incorporate the BCS bowls into the playoffs as the quarterfinal round and make one of the five sites (adding the Cotton to the rotation) the National Championship Game.

Well the stadium looked gorgeous hosting the Big 12 Championship game. If only the Husker offense could've done something. It was literally a 1 second and 1 point game.
SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHH

Sad thing is, they could easily incorporate the BCS bowls into the playoffs as the quarterfinal round and make one of the five sites (adding the Cotton to the rotation) the National Championship Game.

Read the Obama football playoff plan. It makes so much sense.

The question is how many teams? How do you decide which teams? and Should they cut back on the regular season? I personally think a playoff of 4 teams would probably be better than 8, but they definitely need to change the current system.

The question is how many teams? How do you decide which teams? and Should they cut back on the regular season? I personally think a playoff of 4 teams would probably be better than 8, but they definitely need to change the current system.
12 team playoff -- 6 BCS champs, top 2 non-BCS champs, 4 at-large teams (regardless of conference).

Top 4 champs (regardless of conference) get first-round bye and choice of BCS bowl location.

Conference champs #5-8 host at-larges #4-1, respectively.

First-round winners are reseeded and matched against the top 4 champs in the BCS bowls.

The BCS winners are then reseeded, with #1 hosting #4 and #2 hosting #3, with visiting teams getting 1/3 of the total ticket allotment (controlled by the NCAA).

National Championship Game would be played at a predetermined site the weekend before Martin Luther King Day.

The question is how many teams? How do you decide which teams? and Should they cut back on the regular season? I personally think a playoff of 4 teams would probably be better than 8, but they definitely need to change the current system.

I have always felt a 16 team playoff would work best. I posted this in another thread about the BCS.

Here is my thinking:

A 16 team field, with 10 conference winners and 6 at large bids.

Regular Season:

You would have a 12 week regular season, with every team playing 11 games and have 1 bye week. So in using the current season you would have the following: The first week of games is August 29 and the last week is November 14. Or, you could start the season a week earlier, August 22, to allow for a 13 week season, with each team playing 12 games and having 1 bye week.

Conference Championship Week:

You would have 1 week of conference championship games. So in using the current season, that would be November 21. Personally, I am in favor of realigning the conferences so there would be 10 conference of 12 teams. Keep in mind, teams that move out of conference would still continue to play their main rival every year. The need for a conference championship is this, what would happen if in a given year both Penn State and Wisconsin went undefeated but did not play each other because teams in the Big Ten don't each play each other every year. Then you have say an undefeated Alabama team. Which of the 2 get the title game nod?

Playoff:

One the 10 conference championship winners have been announced, they would be ranked based on a system that mainly takes into account their poll ranking and strength of schedule. (Putting pressure on teams like Florida and USC to schedule tough non-conference opponents would be a great thing for the game. Currently very few do it because they fear losing and ruining their NT hopes). The other 6 at large bids, would be determined in the same nature.

All games in rounds 1 and 2 would take place at the higher seeds home game, so #1 would host #16 for example. Round 1 would take place on (again using the current season) November 28th and round 2 would take place on December 5th. Like round 1, the higher seed in round 2 would host the lower seed.

The 12 teams eliminated in rounds 1 and 2 would then be assigned to their normal bowl games. A break would also happen for finals and the holidays.

The normal bowl season would happen as planned. But, instead of the old BCS games happening the Final Four and Championship would take the place of them. The Final four games would take place on January 2. The site of these games would be 2 of the 4 BCS bowl game sites. The national title game would happen a week later on January 9 and would rotate amongst the 4 former BCS bowl sites like it currently does. The site that does not get to host one of the Final Four game or the title game would get a major bowl game (think in the status of the Holiday Bowl, Peach Bowl, etc.) which would pit the top 2 ranked teams of 12 that lost in rounds 1 and 2.

Obviously the above scenario is not perfect, but I think anything is better than the current BCS mess we seem to have every year.

Well the stadium looked gorgeous hosting the Big 12 Championship game. If only the Husker offense could've done something. It was literally a 1 second and 1 point game.

Did Nebraska travel well down to Arlington? You could not really tell by what you saw on TV, stadium lighting on the stands not that great and red and orange can be tough ti discern.

Did Nebraska travel well down to Arlington? You could not really tell by what you saw on TV, stadium lighting on the stands not that great and red and orange can be tough ti discern.
I heard about 25% of the crowd were Husker fans and you could really hear them at some parts but it was very hard to differentiate the colors.

I think having 8, 12, or even 16 teams makes the system way to large. Just as long as they change it from the weird madness they have right now. I'm not remotely close to an expert in the system, but I think 4 teams, BCS teams get higher priority.

Read the Obama football playoff plan. It makes so much sense.

That's actully one of the few good things pres. Obama has proposed. I hope it get's through.

Not that it should be in this stadiums thread, but Division 1 already has a playoff and a national champion crowned by the playoffs. (the NCAA does not award a national championship to bowl participating members)

And there seems to be no problem with the Div 1 or Div 2 having the current playoff systems. I think the D1 playoffs is 12 and is expanding to 16 teams so it is deffinatly feasable for the bowl teams to handle a playoff also.

Not that it should be in this stadiums thread, but Division 1 already has a playoff and a national champion crowned by the playoffs. (the NCAA does not award a national championship to bowl participating members)

And there seems to be no problem with the Div 1 or Div 2 having the current playoff systems. I think the D1 playoffs is 12 and is expanding to 16 teams so it is deffinatly feasable for the bowl teams to handle a playoff also.

Just imagine if the NFL, or NBA said, ok, we will determine who our 2 best teams are and they will play for the title.

It really says something when you can have 2 team split the national title.

Just imagine if the NFL, or NBA said, ok, we will determine who our 2 best teams are and they will play for the title.

It really says something when you can have 2 team split the national title.

no, it would be more like the NBA or NFL saying, lets let the Media determine who our 2 best teams are and if those teams won't sell the most tickets or get the highest TV ratings then let the stadium or network chose another team to play in the game.

no, it would be more like the NBA or NFL saying, lets let the Media determine who our 2 best teams are and if those teams won't sell the most tickets or get the highest TV ratings then let the stadium or network chose another team to play in the game.

Yep totally insane and unfair. They've got to get it sorted once and for all.

Alright, here is how it should be!!

The top 24 teams make the playoffs.
All the current Bowl Games will be utilized in the playoffs.

The top 23 Bowl games would be utilized.

Round 1. The top 8 teams get a bye. 24 vs. 9, 23 vs. 10, and so on.
Here is the great part. You have a bowl selection show on ESPN or Fox that will have teams 9 through 16 pick the Bowl they want to play in.

Round 2. Re-seeded, 1 vs. 16, 2 vs. 15 and so on.
You again have another bowl selection show, where the top 8 select the bowl they want to play in.

The NCAA will select the TOP 7 Bowl games that will be in a rotation that will have them host 4 regional games, 2 semi-final games, and 1 National Championship game.

My preference for the top 7 Bowls
(in no particular order)
Orange
Sugar
Cotton
Fiesta
Rose
Gator
Liberty

This would last 6 weeks, with an off week before the National Championship Game.

I know that this is a lot of games, but all of the smaller bowl games would sell out. This would definately increase the amount of money College Football would generate.

no, it would be more like the NBA or NFL saying, lets let the Media determine who our 2 best teams are and if those teams won't sell the most tickets or get the highest TV ratings then let the stadium or network chose another team to play in the game.

Haha,....well said. And very true. You know it's bad when colleges go out and try and impress and sell their programs to the bowl committees.

so how about that stadium!!!!!!!

If we wanna talk about the BS of the BCS then make a thread for it.

Here's something about the stadium... they plan to show the game in 3D on the giant HD video boards in the stadium...

NFL’s Cowboys Plan Texas-Size 3D Demo
Will use giant stadium display to show HDLogix technology
By Glen Dickson -- Broadcasting & Cable, 12/8/2009 4:00:00 AM

The National Football League’s Dallas Cowboys plan to demonstrate this Sunday how conventional two-dimensional HD video can be converted to 3D HD through sophisticated software processing, using technology from Edison, N.J. start-up HDLogix.

During their game against the San Diego Chargers at Cowboys Stadium, the Cowboys will use the giant (160 by 72-foot) video wall that hangs 90 feet above the field to show 3D “anaglyph” images that will be created using HDLogix’s 2D to 3D conversion system, ImageIQ3D. It will take feeds from the teams’ in-stadium cameras and convert them to 3D for display on the giant LED video wall. The Cowboys will distribute the red & blue glasses required to watch the anaglyph 3D images to the 80,000-odd fans attending the game, and plan to begin showing the 3D images during halftime and throughout the second half.

HDLogix, a privately-owned firm started a year-and-a-half ago by veterans of Sun Microsystems, IBM, Clique Communications and AgileVision, has developed a variety of image processing software for upconverting standard-definition video to HD and other applications. According to chief technology officer Will Gaddy, some of the “super-resolution” technology the company developed, such as sophisticate motion estimation algorithms, is also applicable to creating 3D images from 2D video. By closely analyzing each individual pixel of video, the HDLogix software can generate highly detailed information about a scene’s depth of field, and then modify the image to create the 3D effect.

“We’re doing motion estimation for every pixel, with one-hundredth of a pixel accuracy, and we’re [tracking] occlusion and disocclusion—when you’ve an got object moving in front of a background, you’ve got a leading edge that is hiding pixels and a trailing edge that is revealing pixels,” explains Gaddy. “In combination with camera motion, that gives you a lot of information about the depth of scene.”

That “optical flow” processing software, which runs on graphical processing units (GPUs) from chip makers like Nvidia and ATI, is the basis of how HDLogix creates what it calls “synthetic 3D” from conventional video. According to Gaddy, the software can sit anywhere in the transmission chain, and can be used to create all the varieties of 3D, including anaglyph, stereoscopic, which also requires special glasses, and autostereoscopic, which doesn’t need glasses. It can also be used to convert anaglyph 3D content to stereoscopic 3D, which is the format being adopted by major TV set manufacturers and used by several networks in early 3D trials.

HDLogix aims to sell its technology to programmers as a cost-effective way to produce 3D content, either for live broadcasts like an NFL game or for remastering movies and other archive content to 3D. The company says it can create a powerful 3D effect for live broadcasts, without requiring a specialized 3D HD production truck and a separate set of cameras, and can do an even better job with non-real-time content while costing a fraction of current manual processes for converting 2D to 3D. The company demonstrated the technology to cable executives at the CTAM show in Denver this fall, and will use the showcase of the Cowboys game to bring it to a much broader audience, including top sports executives.

A technology executive familiar with HDLogix says that the company thinks it has a groundbreaking technology for cheaply creating 3D, but that it remains to be seen whether programmers are satisfied with the image quality its system produces.

3D HD content is expected to be available on Blu-ray disc next year, and some 3D insiders have suggested that a 3D pay-TV service may also debut in the U.S. in 2010; British satellite broadcaster BSkyB already says it will launch a 3D service next year in the U.K. But HDLogix VP of sales and marketing Simon Tidnam expects there will still be very little 3D programming made available in the near term using traditional production methods, and says that HDLogix has a “golden opportunity” to fill the current void in 3D programming.

“It’s great that people are buying 3D sets, but there’s probably not enough content to justify that significant price premium,” says Tidnam. “To get to where there’s value, you need to have content.”

http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/438986-NFL_s_Cowboys_Plan_Texas_Size_3D_Demo.php

Nice! I'm definetly gonna watch it.

Will the stadium's capacity be increased for the cotton bowl? I feel sorry for the college football fans that have to endure the crazy parking fees!

Will the stadium's capacity be increased for the cotton bowl? I feel sorry for the college football fans that have to endure the crazy parking fees!

Well, if the stadium is in the middle of nowhere, then that's what you got to deal with...

Speaking of parking, I noticed from some overhead shots, during a Cowboys game a week or two ago, that the parking lots seem to go almost right up to the stadium itself. Not sure why but I thought there was going to be more of a "plaza" around the grounds.

the plazas are shooting out of the end zones.

Do they have drapes or something to cover the windows? You don't want sun shining through and having it in the eyes of the shooters during tomorrow's game.

they do, but i think the game will be late enough in the day to not need them

they do, but i think the game will be late enough in the day to not need them

Alright, as long as they have them. I don't even want to image how much fabric went into drapes like that. Massive.

Alright, as long as they have them. I don't even want to image how much fabric went into drapes like that. Massive.

They already have drapes that cover the end windows and upper deck seating and sideline windows. They usually use them for concerts, but I imagine this would be a perfect situation to use them because the light will certainly be shining in during the afternoon.

Couple of pics showing the basketball court setup...

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And from the game where the attendance was in the neighborhood of 38,000 (note: the upper deck was closed and curtained off but it will be open for the NBA All-Star game and probably for Finals Fours)...

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great game.

I wonder if the setup for the all star game and final fours will be different. This doesnt seem like the best set up in regards to the temporary seats.

The video board is literally larger than the court, still looks like terrible viewing angles with such low pitched seating

The joy of basketball at midfield in a football stadium. Nobody gets a good view. It's terrible.

Amazing stadium and massive scoreboard

You need a bigger screen

I wonder if the setup for the all star game and final fours will be different. This doesnt seem like the best set up in regards to the temporary seats.

It will be the same except the upper deck will be open. This is the way all Final Fours are setup now (with the court at midfield and the entire stadium open). It's the way the Final Fours were played at Ford Field in Detroit...

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And how it will be played at Reliant Stadium in Houston...

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As well as Lucas Oil Stadium in Indy...

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It used to be when the NCAA required FINAL Four host venues to have 40,000 seats, they would just use a giant curtain to split the stadium in half and just put the court near one endzone the way they did at the Alamodome in San Antonio...

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The sight lines weren't great, but they weren't bad either. The NCAA however changed their policy and now in order to host the Final Four, the venue must seat 70,000 which is why the court is now placed at midfield.

FWIW, I talked to some people who went to the Texas/UNC game at Jerryworld and they all expected a terrible experience because that is what they had last year when Reliant hosted, but they all came away pleasantly surprised. They all said the venue is cavernous and feels weird and the sight lines aren't great, but were not near as bad as they expected and the video board was a huge plus.

I don't know what's worse, ESPN showing high school basketball, or college hosting unneeded games in domes. (see regular season contests)

I don't know what's worse, ESPN showing high school basketball, or college hosting unneeded games in domes. (see regular season contests)

Games in domes easily and not just in domes, but domes with the court at midfield. Basketball in a dome sucked already, but with the court at midfield, you might as well stay home and watch it.

Games in domes easily and not just in domes, but domes with the court at midfield. Basketball in a dome sucked already, but with the court at midfield, you might as well stay home and watch it.

Playing the games in a dome takes college basketball out its true element. Smaller sized arenas (no boxes, club seats, etc.) and the fans are a lot closer to the court. I have gone to a couple of Final Fours (New Orleans and Houston) and thought the atmosphere was god awful.

Playing the games in a dome takes college basketball out its true element. Smaller sized arenas (no boxes, club seats, etc.) and the fans are a lot closer to the court. I have gone to a couple of Final Fours (New Orleans and Houston) and thought the atmosphere was god awful.

For the Final Four, I can see why domes are necessary. Imagine trying to get the fans of four teams, plus NCAA sponsors into a 20,000 seat arena. It would not go very well and the magnitude of the Final Four lends itself to the bigger stadium. I think that the 40,000-60,000 endzone dome set up allows for more than does the job though and while it is far from ideal, dome basketball in the end zone is tolerable. Dome basketball at midfield is a disgrace though.

It will be the same except the upper deck will be open. This is the way all Final Fours are setup now (with the court at midfield and the entire stadium open). It's the way the Final Fours were played at Ford Field in Detroit...

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/4141/ncaafinalfouratdetroits.jpg

And how it will be played at Reliant Stadium in Houston...

http://www.ldsystems.com/Audio/images/ncaa/wideshot2.jpg

As well as Lucas Oil Stadium in Indy...

http://sports-venue.info/sitebuilder/images/Lucas_Oil_Field_3-559x351.jpg

It used to be when the NCAA required FINAL Four host venues to have 40,000 seats, they would just use a giant curtain to split the stadium in half and just put the court near one endzone the way they did at the Alamodome in San Antonio...

http://rushthecourt.net/mag/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/alamodome.jpg

The sight lines weren't great, but they weren't bad either. The NCAA however changed their policy and now in order to host the Final Four, the venue must seat 70,000 which is why the court is now placed at midfield.

FWIW, I talked to some people who went to the Texas/UNC game at Jerryworld and they all expected a terrible experience because that is what they had last year when Reliant hosted, but they all came away pleasantly surprised. They all said the venue is cavernous and feels weird and the sight lines aren't great, but were not near as bad as they expected and the video board was a huge plus.

Well, my point was that all lot of times the first game played at a new football stadium has a setup that is nothing like what it would be during a larger event, like a final four. Its just more a a dress rehearsal. The regular season games played at UofP Stadium (i think) and at Ford Field used different setups than in big games because they were during the NFL regular season. Take Ford Field for example, where for the Final Four they built seats over top of the regular seats to create a better view.

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compared to a regular season match up

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If this was the best that Cowboys Stadium could do, then I would be surprised. Personally I would expect something different in the future.

^^^^^ It's not quite a fair comparison because the first Ford Field basketball game was long before their Final Four and it was the first time any stadium had gone basketball at midfield. Since then, the setup has been deemed a success by the NCAA and they've nailed down the setup. There isn't much room to get creative anymore. When Ford Field first did it, it was a work in progress. Now they've nailed it down.

^^^^^ It's not quite a fair comparison because the first Ford Field basketball game was long before their Final Four and it was the first time any stadium had gone basketball at midfield. Since then, the setup has been deemed a success by the NCAA and they've nailed down the setup. There isn't much room to get creative anymore. When Ford Field first did it, it was a work in progress. Now they've nailed it down.

Thats not quite true. Dont forget that the championship last year was a rematch of the same game also played at Ford Field, and the setup during the first game was different than in the championship.

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Even though Dallas was going to be away for two weeks, its likely that the NFL schedule prevents a full construction of stands that would be ideal during a large event. And lets not forget money. As big of a game as it was, UNC-Texas was still just another regular season game. It probably wasnt worth spending the money for something elaborate when it really wasnt needed. They did enough to get the job done.

Does anyone know what is going to happpen with the screens on the outside of the stadium. I know they couldn't be turned on because of a dispute with the local council and a nearby apartment building so are they coming down in the offseason or what?

there are no screens up at all. Its just a grey wall.

The most beautiful stadium in all America!

I must say this is one stadium along with houstons I would love to visit, just for the sheer scale and majesty of the place. I'd really like to see the pacquiao mayweather fight go here too!

I must say this is one stadium along with houstons I would love to visit, just for the sheer scale and majesty of the place. I'd really like to see the pacquiao mayweather fight go here too!

If that fight does happen it's going to be a MGM Grand in Las Vegas

My head says thats the decision that will be taken but it would be nice to see around 100,000 people see that fight live rather than around 17,000. The massive screen would be a great tool to use too so even people at the back can see the punches etc but as you say, that fight may never happen at all!

My head says thats the decision that will be taken but it would be nice to see around 100,000 people see that fight live rather than around 17,000. The massive screen would be a great tool to use too so even people at the back can see the punches etc but as you say, that fight may never happen at all!

It has already been agreed to be held at MGM so long as the fight is agreed to. The drug testing is literally the only thing left to negotiate and MGM has already been agreed to as the host venue.

Really wanted to see the fight at the Superdome, but whatever.

Am i the only one who think this stadium looks very dark and depressing when watching it on tv ? the light at texas stadium was always great and it gave the helmets that " big game shine " ;) ... but i dont know why games in this stadiums dont look that good ... is it the light on the field or is it tha turf that is tor dark green greyish ?

Am i the only one who think this stadium looks very dark and depressing when watching it on tv ? the light at texas stadium was always great and it gave the helmets that " big game shine " ;) ... but i dont know why games in this stadiums dont look that good ... is it the light on the field or is it tha turf that is tor dark green greyish ?

I really don't see what you are talking about, I just watched part of the game again, and was really very impressed with how bright and beautiful everything was. However the field is a darker green, and the End Zone is a darker blue than it was in Texas Stadium. One of the things I would like to see done however, is that the risers above the field level suites be painted blue with white stars placed on them.

Am i the only one who think this stadium looks very dark and depressing when watching it on tv ? the light at texas stadium was always great and it gave the helmets that " big game shine " ;) ... but i dont know why games in this stadiums dont look that good ... is it the light on the field or is it tha turf that is tor dark green greyish ?

I think just the opposite. Texas Stadium was very dark and looked even darker when the light was coming in at an angle. The new stadium is very bright, presumably because the glass walls allow in more natural light.

Did the crazy cowboy finally get banned? :)

I really don't see what you are talking about, I just watched part of the game again, and was really very impressed with how bright and beautiful everything was. However the field is a darker green, and the End Zone is a darker blue than it was in Texas Stadium. One of the things I would like to see done however, is that the risers above the field level suites be painted blue with white stars placed on them.


ok .. i think its the colour of the field i dont like ... it just looks to dark and depresing , it doesent give that " grand venue " feel .... i dont mean the stadium is to dark the stadium is awesom , i just dont like the impression the field gives on TV ... it doesent do justice to the stadium IMO

Did the crazy cowboy finally get banned? :)

Looks that way! :cheers:

Too bad as he always added so much to the discussion! :lol:

Pacquiao-Clottey will be hosted at Cowboys Stadium.

And anyone in the area know what will happen to the screens on the sides? I've asked around everywhere but no one gives an answer. I think they're perfect for a big Cowboys star and "Cowboys Stadium" underneath. You wouldn't really know what it is if you weren't familiar with the Cowboys. Afterall it is Cowboys Stadium, JJ needs to proclaim it.

After attending a game here a few months ago, I have to admit that it is a pretty damn nice stadium. As far as the architecture goes I give it a solid A. this is one of the best football stadiums around, but what killed me was all the other crap they have going on in the stadium during the game. There was a lot to take in and I found myself missing plays because of it. They need to work on the atmosphere of the games. I also saw games in Chicago, Green Bay, and Minnesota this year and thought that their game day atmosphere was better. Those Cheese Heads are straight up crazy, but they have the best tailgating scene that I’ve been to. Minnesota has a shitty stadium but what they lack in venue they make up for with their energy and noise. I don’t know if it’s because jerry just has so much stuff going on at his games or if the cowboy’s fans are just different from the NFC North fans. I think the giant video screens hanging over the field might be part of it, because even I found myself watching them more than I should. They are pretty cool but I'm still not a fan of their placement. Either way the Stadium itself is phenomenal.

Am i the only one who think this stadium looks very dark and depressing when watching it on tv ? the light at texas stadium was always great and it gave the helmets that " big game shine " ;) ... but i dont know why games in this stadiums dont look that good ... is it the light on the field or is it tha turf that is tor dark green greyish ?

I'm thinking that in the old stadium the roof was always open The big hole. On this stadium they have the retractable roof. You could say that there was a tremendous amount of light coming in in the old stadium.

The old stadium was very dark compared to the new. Even with the new stadium completely closed, its lighter during the day. During the day at Texas Stadium, there was always a shadow unless it was overcast. Not to mention the interior is just much more spacious.That's why there's less shine on the helmets.

At the old one that was the only light let in was through the big hole. Now at the new stadium there's glass all around the top and the two huge glass doors at the ends. As rantanamo said it was actually very dark.

Cowboys Stadium is a great stadium which is going to host many great events like NCAA Final Four, NBA All-Star Game, and a Super Bowl.

But about Texas Stadium, the date for its implosion has been revealed. God always liked to watch his favourite team play in that stadium where there is a hole in that dome. And God is going to watch this implosion. About the fact that the roof is structurally independent from the stadium it covers, it is not true. Come the 11th day of April, 2010, after 38 years, 5 months, 2 weeks, and 5 days, Texas Stadium will REST... IN... PEACE!!!!!

Configuration for todays game.

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This is gonna be huge!

How many seats there will be in this mode?

They are trying to reach 100k+ mark.

It looks incredible for an event like the All-Star Game, but for a serious game, it would be awful to have a basketball game there. Too many seats way too far from the court. Domed basketball sucks. Domed basketball with the court at midfield sucks more. Basketball at this stadium looks to suck even more.

Well the number is in.

108k at the game tonight, far and away the largest crowd to ever watch a basketball game.

AP reported the Cowboys Stadium 2010 NBA All Star game drew 108,317. A new record for a basketball game. :banana:

Obviously those big screens helped the view from the nose bleed seats.

Jerry World with the NBA.

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Screen is bigger than the court :)

How much were tickets for the nose bleeds? Just wondering if it'd be worth it to basically watch the game on the screen.

Time-lapse:

http://www.nba.com/video/channels/allstar/2010/02/15/mm_timelapse_300_final.nba/

All-access:

http://www.nba.com/video/channels/allstar/2010/02/15/20100214_sun_allaccess.nba/

Highlights:

http://www.nba.com/video/channels/allstar/2010/02/14/0030900001_wst_est_recap.nba/

Inside the NBA:

http://www.nba.com/video/channels/tnt_overtime/2010/02/12/20100212_inside_full.nba/

How much were tickets for the nose bleeds? Just wondering if it'd be worth it to basically watch the game on the screen.

$25 for the cheapest seats in the house.

this looks horrible... seats so far away from court, sou you are forced to watch it on screen (if you are on upper bowls)... only thing that will be remembered is huge crowd, nothing else

Who cares about the horrible views ... its not like this was a regular season game ... if people didn't like the views, they could have saved their money and stayed home without missing a game that holds any sort of importance in terms of the standings.

This looks fantastic.

^^Bloody fantastic :bow:

Very impressive!

Lets think about that statement for a minute shall we...

The Redskins had the late game in week one, and didnt play at the same time as Dallas.

Dallas then had two nationally televised game on NBC and ESPN.

Next week they do not play in the same time slot at Washington.

Who do you think will be on in DC when Dallas and Washington both play in the same time slot? (Hint: It wont be Dallas)

There's nothing to think about. I already knew this. My point was that Dallas will be showed in the area even over Philadelphia, Carolina, Atlanta, and New York. All of which are closer to Washington then Dallas is.

WOW!! that was an amazing all-star organization I ever whatch in my life so far. Even I don't care if I would sitting on upper bowls within 100k + fans. Just feel the atmosphere and enjoy!!!

How many people actually watched the NBA All-Star festivities? NBA is a distant 3rd when it comes to North American sports. NBA is closer to the NHL than it is to the NFL and MLB for popularity.

How many people actually watched the NBA All-Star festivities? NBA is a distant 3rd when it comes to North American sports. NBA is closer to the NHL than it is to the NFL and MLB for popularity.
NBA is far more popular than NHL and not that far off from MLB.

I certainly watched. They did it BIG this year.

Screen is bigger than the court :)

Apparently it is, for basketball events.

NBA is far more popular than NHL and not that far off from MLB.

I certainly watched. They did it BIG this year.

Based on what? Attendance wise, NHL and NBA are on par with each other.

2008-2009 Average Attendance

NFL: 68,240
MLB: 30,338
NBA: 17,520
NHL: 17,460

Apparently the NBA's attendance is getting worse this season, If you did a little research you would know the NBA is in trouble, and the NHL is actually flourishing, even in recession.

Based on what? Attendance wise, NHL and NBA are on par with each other.

2008-2009 Average Attendance

NFL: 68,240
MLB: 30,338
NBA: 17,520
NHL: 17,460

Apparently the NBA's attendance is getting worse this season, If you did a little research you would know the NBA is in trouble, and the NHL is actually flourishing, even in recession.

I dont think attendance is the end all to figuring what sport is most popular.

I dont think attendance is the end all to figuring what sport is most popular.

I do believe that since the Super Bowl is the single most watched sporting event every year....That speaks for itself as for what major team sport is the most popular!!! To even add to that....the Monday following the SB is the most absent from work day of every year!

Amazing stadium and photos

the game was great. Never thought I would see an NBA game in front of that many people! Great shots btw.

NBA is far more popular than NHL and not that far off from MLB.

I certainly watched. They did it BIG this year.

Yes, they also did it long this year. The game and festivities seemed to almost never end. Also, the crowd noise was pretty poor for that many people there.

I do believe that since the Super Bowl is the single most watched sporting event every year....That speaks for itself as for what major team sport is the most popular!!! To even add to that....the Monday following the SB is the most absent from work day of every year!

The NBA will never touch the NFL or become the most popular sport in the United States.

Based on what? Attendance wise, NHL and NBA are on par with each other.

2008-2009 Average Attendance

NFL: 68,240
MLB: 30,338
NBA: 17,520
NHL: 17,460

Apparently the NBA's attendance is getting worse this season, If you did a little research you would know the NBA is in trouble, and the NHL is actually flourishing, even in recession.
It's not gate receipts, it's media revenue and exposure which put the NBA ahead of the NHL.

The stadium without heart or soul...

This is the NBA's response to the success of the NHL Winter Classic. The NHL Winter Classic is a superior event and has replaced (successfully) its All-Star game as its major mid-season event. It will continue to grow in popularity, as the NBA All-Star game continues to fade.

http://www.newolympia.blogspot.com

Based on what? Attendance wise, NHL and NBA are on par with each other.

2008-2009 Average Attendance

NFL: 68,240
MLB: 30,338
NBA: 17,520
NHL: 17,460

Apparently the NBA's attendance is getting worse this season, If you did a little research you would know the NBA is in trouble, and the NHL is actually flourishing, even in recession.

It be foolish to pretend that ice hockey is close to nba in the US market, in Canadia it is top, but in the US it isn't. And all star game fade? 100k+ fans say otherwise.

The stadium without heart or soul...

Does any stadium have a heart and soul after beeing active for half a year?

It be foolish to pretend that ice hockey is close to nba in the US market, in Canadia it is top, but in the US it isn't. And all star game fade? 100k+ fans say otherwise.

Have you seen the ratings for the game? The Olympics beat it by a good margin and the overall ratings for the last several years have been flat or decreasing.

The reason they drew so many fans was for the novelty and that you could pay $25 and see the game.

Does any stadium have a heart and soul after beeing active for half a year?Possibly, but I think in this case he's referring to the zoning: The property was given a conditional use permit for LISEF = "Light Industrial Soulless Event Facility" category. You know, to match the character of the owner. :nuts::happy:






;)

For 2008, the approximate values of each organizations respective US TV deals:
NHL = $70M (VS + NBC)
NBA = $400M (ABC/ESPN) + $300M (TNT)

All-Star games are blatant pomp and circumstance for the die-hards and are not a true indicator of overall fan appeal. The NHL is getting back on track and I like it faaaaaar better than the NBA, but denying that the NBA is current #2 in US pro sports appeal, or suggesting that the NHL is close at #4, is wishful thinking. NBA has far more appeal among casual sports fans, thanks in part of the relationship with the college game and infinitely greater appeal to fans in warmer climates.

In the US for right now, anyway.

True at the moment. Fifty years from now when there are enough ice rinks in the south the story may be different. During the last year's NHL amateur draft, a native skater from a Dallas/Fort Worth suburb was picked #38, high in the second round. Not a Yankee transport either, a true fully native Texan. There are kids skating in Texas who will be soon be picked in the first round, with kids skating from Russia, to Sweden, to Canada.

All as a result that when the Minnesota Northstars moved south to Dallas, the Dallas Stars built several ice rinks in the DFW area. The Dallas Stars knew from the very beginning that building these ice rinks would eventually be their lifeline to Texas fans. Simply put, they are hockey fan factories.

And not just for ice hockey either. During the current Vancouver Winter Olympics there are short track speed and figure skaters from Texas as well.

But as long as the public schools continue with their baseball, football, soccer, and basketball athletic programs, without ice hockey, ice hockey will continue to be fifth, although with much more impact.

^

but all those rinks are far away in the suburbs.

^

but all those rinks are far away in the suburbs.

and some have closed as hockey was seized by the suburbs the same way baseball and soccer have been. The problem is not who plays it, its how many are idolizing the players.

^

but all those rinks are far away in the suburbs.

I don't understand the point of this post, if most of the population lives in the suburbs isn't that where you would want the rinks to make it more convienent to get kids playing?

Looking at these pictures I am amazed NBA. The world can have the constraints that go with the United States, but events do like them no one does. Incredible. At this point I'm fan number 1 of the United States. They are a money machine.

The problem with jerry world is that the upper decks are in the stratosphere. Pushing the real fans to absurd heights for extreme prices.

The problem with jerry world is that the upper decks are in the stratosphere. Pushing the real fans to absurd heights for extreme prices.

Very few stadiums don't do this. Sports are expensive.

The problem with jerry world is that the upper decks are in the stratosphere. Pushing the real fans to absurd heights for extreme prices.

Like this?

http://www.ballparksofbaseball.com/miller640480.jpg

Like this?

http://www.ballparksofbaseball.com/miller640480.jpg

What point are you trying to make? The upper tier at Miller Park is lower than the one at Cowboys Stadium. But what else would you expect when you have 5 rows or sections for luxury boxes.

The problem with jerry world is that the upper decks are in the stratosphere. Pushing the real fans to absurd heights for extreme prices.

Yeah, true, but at least there's the JERRYTRON (or whatever you want to call it) video screen. Sure, people in the upper stands having to watch a humongous video screen in order to get a decent view of the action sounds goofy, but Jerry Jones has a massive ego and you know he wants to have an epic stadium in his name, no matter if some of the seats are hundreds of feet away.

The problem with jerry world is that the upper decks are in the stratosphere. Pushing the real fans to absurd heights for extreme prices.

In that case the prices are probably the main problem.
Jerryworld could have probably been a bit more optimized for the fans to get a little closer, I believe, but in the end it's allways the same problem:
Huge stadia are big :lol: - and that naturally involves large distances from the rear seats to the pitch.
If the tickets up in the back are cheap enough then that's all ok, but if they're expensive and not all too affordable then it in fact isn't all that great.
But which modern stadium isn't built to generate a maximum profit and what does maximum profit care about fair and reasonable ticket prices?

Like this?



Thats actually not too bad.

Miller Park seats about half of what JerryWorld does and its spread out around a larger field. Its going to be lower. But the point still is, cheaper seats are up high unless you're talking about the outfield. With the complaining is JerryWorld the stadium with the highest seats or something?

What would the maximum capacity of the stadium be for a possible World Cup where only individual seats are okay?

I do not like the basketball set-up there. Lucas Oil Stadium had a much better one it seems.

What would the maximum capacity of the stadium be for a possible World Cup where only individual seats are okay?

My guess is 80k.

My guess is 80k.

I thought that was the normal capacity, but that the seats could be moved closer together to make room for more seats. I think it's more than 80k, but I don't know how much more.