This is insane...http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory?id=12854249&page=1

This is my favorite quote...

"In the upper deck, there were off-limits seats in the same rows as seats that were deemed safe. Yellow police tape was used as a dividing line, with uniformed personnel also keeping folks away."

P.S. early indications are that attendance was 103,219

I'm confused as to what has been so hard about erecting the seats. The company has a lot of experience internationally and even at Cowboys Stadium. The seats in the first deck were erected and installed quickly. In the first couple of days after the Cotton Bowl. After that, things have gone really weird and slow. Something had to have happened that they aren't mentioning.

nevermind, you're right, dudes are starting to slip. Damnit, is anything going right.

Yiha!
Great game, great end!

Aroon Rodgers is the best.

Have yo'all ever thought about that the winning QB's are almost always all-american heroes?
Alot of the players maybe thugs, but the QB's (of winning teams) are the best of the best.
Rodgers, Bree, Brady... :)

Hate to say it, but I am glad that is over. Please don't bring the World Cup. Please no more Super Bowls. Just stick to Cowboys games. Oh crap, the Final four is coming in a couple of years.

Yiha!
Great game, great end!

Aroon Rodgers is the best.

Have yo'all ever thought about that the winning QB's are almost always all-american heroes?
Alot of the players maybe thugs, but the QB's (of winning teams) are the best of the best.
Rodgers, Bree, Brady... :)

winning is the key word. When you're not winning, the quarterback becomes the big scapegoat.

Hate to say it, but I am glad that is over. Please don't bring the World Cup. Please no more Super Bowls. Just stick to Cowboys games. Oh crap, the Final four is coming in a couple of years.

i enjoyed it ! sure the traffic in arlington was inconvenient but for the most part it wasn't an entirely horrible fiasco that most people were saying it was going to be.

bring on the final four ! and hopefully the world cup one day !

Just short of the record (http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/news/story?id=6096358), although I don't think many here would have given them the record anyways with the plazas counting.

ARLINGTON, Texas -- Ice, snow, a taxi strike and stadium seating issues dominated the headlines leading up to Super Bowl XLV.

Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones was hoping for some good news in the form of a Super Bowl attendance record Sunday night, but he'll have to settle for second place.

A total of 103,219 crammed into Cowboys Stadium to watch the Pittsburgh Steelers and Green Bay Packers, missing the record by 766.

The construction of some temporary seating was not completed in time for the game, resulting in the relocation of 850 fans and refunds for 400 who could not be reseated in the stadium.

NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy confirmed the seats lost just hours before the game were the reason the record wasn't set.

Sunday's total is the second largest for a Super Bowl and second largest for an NFL game in Cowboys Stadium, which opened in 2009.

The attendance included 91,060 fans -- including 3,000 who bought tickets to watch the game on HD screens outside the stadium -- and 12,159 credentialed personnel (league and team officials and media).

The previous record of 103,985 came at Super Bowl XIV between the Steelers and Los Angeles Rams on Jan. 20, 1980, at the Rose Bowl.

The largest crowd for any NFL game was when the Dallas Cowboys played the Houston Oilers in front of 112,376 fans in a preseason game in 1994 at Azteca Stadium in Mexico City.

Jones was hopeful his $1.2 billion jewel of a stadium would set the all-time attendance record. Jones and the NFL filled the end zone open areas, normally sold as standing-room only tickets, with bleachers.

i enjoyed it ! sure the traffic in arlington was inconvenient but for the most part it wasn't an entirely horrible fiasco that most people were saying it was going to be.

bring on the final four ! and hopefully the world cup one day !

bickering between cities for events, cancelled events, horrible weather. The race to add seats. It was pretty bad, which I found suprising after the All-Star game run up was handled so well.

bickering between cities for events, cancelled events, horrible weather. The race to add seats. It was pretty bad, which I found suprising after the All-Star game run up was handled so well.

Despite the weather and blunders, you and I both know that the stadium will continue to host big time events.... including the Super Bowl.

Hate to say it, but I am glad that is over. Please don't bring the World Cup. Please no more Super Bowls. Just stick to Cowboys games. Oh crap, the Final four is coming in a couple of years.

I'm willing to bet Jerry has been in talks with WWE's Vince McMahon to bring WrestleMania one of these days.;)

Despite the weather and blunders, you and I both know that the stadium will continue to host big time events.... including the Super Bowl.

I know they will. Just hoping for little bit of sanity. If you're going to put in temp seats, have them ready to go. When you plan events, plan them around the mobility of the fans and guests. This was a circus. Everyone trying too hard to look good and pushing everything too hard. Perhaps the World Cup committee saw this kind of circus going on throughout the US bid?

I'm willing to bet Jerry has been in talks with WWE's Vince McMahon to bring WrestleMania one of these days.;)

I'd bet on that.

WrestleMania XIX.....

I'd bet on that.

WrestleMania XIX.....

..... was at Safeco Field, Seattle.

watching local news now and can see what was up with the seating. There was much fewer seats blocked off than I originally thought. The gaps next to the club seating, and the two sides of the upper upper deck temp seats. The fire marshalls are the ones that shut them down, taped them off, and actually stood guard. I imagine that it was a capacity to isle/exit issue.

bickering between cities for events, cancelled events, horrible weather. The race to add seats. It was pretty bad, which I found suprising after the All-Star game run up was handled so well.

you can't blame the weather. it sucked but what can you do about it. I will say the seating situation was pretty bad, but that was left up to the League correct because that's very un Jerry like, he strives for perfection.

never mind. fox4 is showing this lines. thats outrageous. but the league was in control right ??

The NFL didn't seem like they were ready to make use of such a large, high tech and up to date venue. Everything about that place is stunning but something like that shouldn't have happened (seating problems). I do place blame on the league since they take possession of the game and stadium for the event.

The turf is some of the best available out there, it's better than traditional turf.

And the Steelers didn't win!!! I love it!

Great stadium and great result...

...but Jerry NOT breaking the SB attendance record was so sweet. Counting people outside the seating bowl is bull****.

Well done anyways, you guys really know how to put on a show.

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/2682/5379135277ce3d184bfab.jpg




Temporary seats? :nuts: isn't dangerous with such a giant overall and steepness?

WrestleMania XIX.....

I think you may have the Roman numerals incorrect.

Maybe WrestleMania XXXI.


Well done anyways, you guys really know how to put on a show.

Jerry World- yes.:)

Black Eyed Peas- no.:ohno:

Temporary seats? :nuts: isn't dangerous with such a giant overall and steepness?

No. This is done all the time, all over the world. The seats were not unsafe in the sense that anyone would fall or be injured. There were well constructed. The problem was local fire code calls for there to be proper exits per a certain number of seats. Totally the NFL's fault for not having the seats finished 3 weeks ago and having the fire marshall's inspect them so they could make corrections.

http://www.dallasnews.com/incoming/20110206-1super_bowl_football.jpg.ece/ALTERNATES/w700/1Super_Bowl_Football.jpg

http://www.dallasnews.com/incoming/20110206-3super_bowl_football.jpg.ece/ALTERNATES/w700/3Super_Bowl_Football.jpg



these seats were deemed fine. Seriously, why are the inspections happening so close to kickoff?
http://www.dallasnews.com/incoming/20110206-ns_06sbtf01.jpg.ece/ALTERNATES/w700/NS_06SBTF01.jpg

From reading various articles it seems they simply did not finish some seats, and simply did not finish the extra exits for others. Just not understanding how they could not finish when they did so much in the first two days. They(the NFL) are not providing much info

http://www.dallasnews.com/incoming/20110206-ns_06superseats.jpg.ece/ALTERNATES/w700/NS_06SuperSEATS.jpg

http://www.dallasnews.com/incoming/20110206-98556301ml045_super_bowl_xl.jpg.ece/ALTERNATES/w700/98556301ML045_Super_Bowl_XL.jpg

Perhaps they should have been finishing these seats instead of worrying about the restricted view seats under between the 200s and 300s that they were so fascinated with being able to ad?

So the "real" attendance inside was 91,060?!

The attendance included 91,060 fans -- including 3,000 who bought tickets to watch the game on HD screens outside the stadium -- and 12,159 credentialed personnel (league and team officials and media).


BTW I know that in the USA personal etc is counted

Perhaps the World Cup committee saw this kind of circus going on throughout the US bid?

And decided to ignore the legacy of the best ever Cup in 1994? Because Russia and Qatar have such fantastic track records with events like the Cup?

I think you may have the Roman numerals incorrect.

Maybe WrestleMania XXXI.

:doh:

Or XXIX

Yeah, that's what I meant. I'm usually good with Roman numerals... just had the history off.

Oh, and as for those seats... the NFL was responsible.

And decided to ignore the legacy of the best ever Cup in 1994?

Excuse me but in what USA 1994 was the best ever?
Structures? yes they were great but In japan korea 2002 too!

Excuse me but in what USA 1994 was the best ever?
Structures? yes they were great but In japan korea 2002 too!

Well, structures and attendance. Best is such a subjective word and if one wants to call '94 the best because of the sheer number of people who attended fine. If one wants to put forward '06 or another because of incredible atmosphere, that's fine as well.

The illegal sections had rows of seats with about 30 seats in each row. That's fine except the law (and common sense) says that you have to have exit access on both sides of the row (aisles and tunnels on both sides of the section). The idiots who built these sections didn't take that into consideration. They expected everyone, including those sitting in the very end of those 30+ row of seats, to exit on only one side of the section. That would mean some people would have to stumble across more than 30 people to exit their row of seats on the opposite side. Not only is this a major hassle, but in an emergency would be extremely unsafe, if not a potential death trap.

http://www.dallasnews.com/incoming/20110206-3super_bowl_football.jpg.ece/ALTERNATES/w700/3Super_Bowl_Football.jpg


http://www.dallasnews.com/incoming/20110206-ns_06superseats.jpg.ece/ALTERNATES/w700/NS_06SuperSEATS.jpg

Am i the only person that thinks Cowboys Stadium would look better if they made the lower bowl temporary stands permanent.

Am i the only person that thinks Cowboys Stadium would look better if they made the lower bowl temporary stands permanent.

No. They added seats to every row too. I would be more than willing to keep those seats in the bottom bowl to help with crowd noise and pile more fans in on gameday. If he wanted to put the rest of the stadium back to normal where everyone is comfortable, then that's fine.

I agree though, keep the lower bowl packed.

apparently one of the contractors in charge of building the temporary stands just quit and walked away last minute.

Excuse me but in what USA 1994 was the best ever?
Structures? yes they were great but In japan korea 2002 too!
Actually, the stadia for the 1994 Cup were nowhere near as good as those used in our 2018/22 bids.

I think he meant in terms of attendance (both per match and overall).

Lots of storylines in that Cup, too, most notably the Escobar own-goal and Maradona getting busted.

In terms of both attendance and organization. No other cup final went as smoothly and cost so little to produce. No other cup final had so few spectator incidents. It was the first final where every match was held in an all-seated stadium. And the attendance was head and shoulders above any other final.

The illegal sections had rows of seats with about 30 seats in each row. That's fine except the law (and common sense) says that you have to have exit access on both sides of the row (aisles and tunnels on both sides of the section). The idiots who built these sections didn't take that into consideration. They expected everyone, including those sitting in the very end of those 30+ row of seats, to exit on only one side of the section. That would mean some people would have to stumble across more than 30 people to exit their row of seats on the opposite side. Not only is this a major hassle, but in an emergency would be extremely unsafe, if not a potential death trap.

http://www.dallasnews.com/incoming/20110206-3super_bowl_football.jpg.ece/ALTERNATES/w700/3Super_Bowl_Football.jpg


http://www.dallasnews.com/incoming/20110206-ns_06superseats.jpg.ece/ALTERNATES/w700/NS_06SuperSEATS.jpg

This was actually pointed out as being ok. There was an exit on the outside of those sections. If you look on the left of the second pic, you can see the structure. Its just covered up by the stands to the right on the first pic. Remember there's a bit of a gap between those permanent stands and the temp ones. Here's what it looks like

http://www.dallasnews.com/incoming/20110206-ns_06wait.jpg.ece/ALTERNATES/w620/NS_06wait.jpg

Straight from the fire chief, the stands were simply not erected, meaning, the closed sections simply did not have hand rails on the isles. This is a fire code violation. Immediate shut down. WFAA was saying the contractor ran out of parts and walked out on the job. They also said the contractor simply didn't have the manpower to finish the job on time, and this was know since last week. Unbelieveable.


I agree about the temp stands on the first party deck. They looked like they belonged in the stadium all along. Would be a shame to lose the dramatic stadium entrance though.

Its shame they had contractor problems. The place would have looked fantastic

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5292/5423261481_3606f78a3a_o.jpg

Been reading articles on multiple sites about the Super Bowl and how terrible it was. Some of the biggest complaints include:

-3 hour long lines with few gates at the check ins. Apparently people started chanting "Jerry sucks" at some point. Shame on those ignorant Packers and Steelers fans, the NFL put this on, not Jerry. Second, the NFL requested federal help with security. Guess who created the hold up? Janet Napolitano, everyone got a pat down and groin check before the game, at least that was her plan.

-The 400 fans who didn't get to sit and watch the game.
I heard that the fire marshall didn't have time to make it due to the weather situation around DFW so the NFL couldn't confirm that the seats were stable enough. Once again, this was the NFL's decision.

-The weather and the falling ice.
This wasn't as big of a deal to me as it was to some. Weather happens, it's not as if this is a common thing, these blizzards and winter storms around the area. People need to blame the city of Arlington and partially Jerry (for the falling ice on the stadium) for not clearing things up.

A lot of the hate is coming from Indianapolis and their citizens. I'm beginning to question the intelligence level of Indianapolis because some of the comments I read on their main newspaper's site has me really wondering if they are just jealous of Cowboys Stadium and DFW or if they have no clue what's going on.

Everyone is blaming Jerry first, that's wrong. I can't stand Jerry's GM moves and I'm one of his biggest critics, but don't criticize my owner and pres. of my team for things you have no clue of. Jerry seemed embarrassed enough as it is, he doesn't need unfair and ignorant criticism from people who weren't there.

Been reading articles on multiple sites about the Super Bowl and how terrible it was. Some of the biggest complaints include:

-3 hour long lines with few gates at the check ins. Apparently people started chanting "Jerry sucks" at some point. Shame on those ignorant Packers and Steelers fans, the NFL put this on, not Jerry. Second, the NFL requested federal help with security. Guess who created the hold up? Janet Napolitano, everyone got a pat down and groin check before the game, at least that was her plan.

-The 400 fans who didn't get to sit and watch the game.
I heard that the fire marshall didn't have time to make it due to the weather situation around DFW so the NFL couldn't confirm that the seats were stable enough. Once again, this was the NFL's decision.

-The weather and the falling ice.
This wasn't as big of a deal to me as it was to some. Weather happens, it's not as if this is a common thing, these blizzards and winter storms around the area. People need to blame the city of Arlington and partially Jerry (for the falling ice on the stadium) for not clearing things up.

A lot of the hate is coming from Indianapolis and their citizens. I'm beginning to question the intelligence level of Indianapolis because some of the comments I read on their main newspaper's site has me really wondering if they are just jealous of Cowboys Stadium and DFW or if they have no clue what's going on.

Everyone is blaming Jerry first, that's wrong. I can't stand Jerry's GM moves and I'm one of his biggest critics, but don't criticize my owner and pres. of my team for things you have no clue of. Jerry seemed embarrassed enough as it is, he doesn't need unfair and ignorant criticism from people who weren't there.

Four of the ten entrance gates of Cowboys Stadium were closed due to the late week accident with the falling ice injuring five people, not Homeland Security.

Time Magazine online also has pics from fans in which bolts from the temporary seating were not attached and fell out during the game.

http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/02/09/super-bowl-nfl-seatgate-controversy/

Four of the ten entrance gates of Cowboys Stadium were closed due to the late week accident with the falling ice injuring five people, not Homeland Security.

Time Magazine online also has pics from fans in which bolts from the temporary seating were not attached and fell out during the game.

http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/02/09/super-bowl-nfl-seatgate-controversy/

That's crazy. The gate thing is crazy too. The way Cowboys Stadium is setup, the gates and signage are crucial and the temp seating and gate closures just killed the genius of the design. If there is to ever be a Super Bowl there again, they really need to let the Cowboys run the stadium. Even Randy Galloway pointed this out. He said they killed what was beautiful and functional about the design.

No other cup final went as smoothly and cost so little to produce.

cost, yes, but smoothly? What problems were there at prior and subsequent cups?


No other cup final had so few spectator incidents.

So you know for a fact that there more incidents in Japan, for example?


It was the first final where every match was held in an all-seated stadium.

Which grounds at the previous world cup in Italy weren't all-seater?

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Been reading articles on multiple sites about the Super Bowl and how terrible it was. Some of the biggest complaints include:

A lot of the hate is coming from Indianapolis and their citizens. I'm beginning to question the intelligence level of Indianapolis because some of the comments I read on their main newspaper's site has me really wondering if they are just jealous of Cowboys Stadium and DFW or if they have no clue what's going on.

Everyone is blaming Jerry first, that's wrong. I can't stand Jerry's GM moves and I'm one of his biggest critics, but don't criticize my owner and pres. of my team for things you have no clue of. Jerry seemed embarrassed enough as it is, he doesn't need unfair and ignorant criticism from people who weren't there.

I think Indy has alot of right to criticize this SB. First of all, Dallas stole this SB from Indy. Indy had their stadium almost completed before this stadium was even begun. Second, Jerry promised the NFL that his new stadium will seat well over 100,000 comfortably and that it hardly never snows in Dallas. The NFL fell for it and look what happened. Like people said before, everything is spread to far around there. Dallas and Arlington didn't have a back-up plan for anything like what happened.

I think Indy has alot of right to criticize this SB. First of all, Dallas stole this SB from Indy. Indy had their stadium almost completed before this stadium was even begun. Second, Jerry promised the NFL that his new stadium will seat well over 100,000 comfortably and that it hardly never snows in Dallas. The NFL fell for it and look what happened. Like people said before, everything is spread to far around there. Dallas and Arlington didn't have a back-up plan for anything like what happened.

if you were from here you would know how ridiculous this weather has been. we never get storms like that here EVER ! yes we get "snow" occasionally but never enough to cancel school for nearly a week and have rolling blackouts across the state. this sort of thing doesn't happen every winter.

I think Indy has alot of right to criticize this SB. First of all, Dallas stole this SB from Indy. Indy had their stadium almost completed before this stadium was even begun. Second, Jerry promised the NFL that his new stadium will seat well over 100,000 comfortably and that it hardly never snows in Dallas. The NFL fell for it and look what happened. Like people said before, everything is spread to far around there. Dallas and Arlington didn't have a back-up plan for anything like what happened.

"Stole"? Does it really matter? Indy is hosting it next year. And no, they don't, because that is beyond the point and not what everyone is complaining about.

I think Indy has alot of right to criticize this SB. First of all, Dallas stole this SB from Indy. Indy had their stadium almost completed before this stadium was even begun. Second, Jerry promised the NFL that his new stadium will seat well over 100,000 comfortably and that it hardly never snows in Dallas. The NFL fell for it and look what happened. Like people said before, everything is spread to far around there. Dallas and Arlington didn't have a back-up plan for anything like what happened.
Average Dallas high temperature in late February is about 55-60º F. This winter has been a nationwide aberration.

Also, I'm no fan of Jerry's, but it's not his fault the contractor responsible for building the stands backed out.

"Stole"? Does it really matter? Indy is hosting it next year. And no, they don't, because that is beyond the point and not what everyone is complaining about.

Yes, it does matter. What happens if there is no season because the players and owners can't get along? No SB. That means Indy has to go to the back of the line and wait another 3 years down the road. Jerry knew this, and that is why he came up with a last minute idea about making another $28 million if they pack in another 20,000 fans in. Hey, I was just answering the guy above me about how Indy is complaining about everything. You do realize that it was Jerry that pitched the bid to host the SB in Dallas, not the NFL. They should have had backup plans for everything. Now, instead of making an extra $28 million, they only made about half that much...

Jerry was originally wanting to bid for last year's Super Bowl, but couldn't get a stadium deal in time. He already had the stadium booked for next year believe it or not. Some big religious convention is coming or something. So he bid for other events like the Final Four, NBA All-Star game and Super Bowl around it. As weird as that sounds, it was the first event to book the stadium.

Been reading articles on multiple sites about the Super Bowl and how terrible it was. Some of the biggest complaints include:

-3 hour long lines with few gates at the check ins. Apparently people started chanting "Jerry sucks" at some point. Shame on those ignorant Packers and Steelers fans, the NFL put this on, not Jerry. Second, the NFL requested federal help with security. Guess who created the hold up? Janet Napolitano, everyone got a pat down and groin check before the game, at least that was her plan.

-The 400 fans who didn't get to sit and watch the game.
I heard that the fire marshall didn't have time to make it due to the weather situation around DFW so the NFL couldn't confirm that the seats were stable enough. Once again, this was the NFL's decision.

-The weather and the falling ice.
This wasn't as big of a deal to me as it was to some. Weather happens, it's not as if this is a common thing, these blizzards and winter storms around the area. People need to blame the city of Arlington and partially Jerry (for the falling ice on the stadium) for not clearing things up.

A lot of the hate is coming from Indianapolis and their citizens. I'm beginning to question the intelligence level of Indianapolis because some of the comments I read on their main newspaper's site has me really wondering if they are just jealous of Cowboys Stadium and DFW or if they have no clue what's going on.

Everyone is blaming Jerry first, that's wrong. I can't stand Jerry's GM moves and I'm one of his biggest critics, but don't criticize my owner and pres. of my team for things you have no clue of. Jerry seemed embarrassed enough as it is, he doesn't need unfair and ignorant criticism from people who weren't there.

Turns out Jerry deserves every bit of the criticism, and then some.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=ApOm.EpvgfSm5l.aKgFmesU5nYcB?slug=ap-superbowl-seatingmess

Turns out Jerry deserves every bit of the criticism, and then some.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=ApOm.EpvgfSm5l.aKgFmesU5nYcB?slug=ap-superbowl-seatingmess

Don't see where that puts the blame on Jerry.

Here is the local scoop. Keep in mind that our local media is super harsh on Jerry and the Cowboys

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/super-bowl/local/20110211-documents-work-continued-on-super-bowl-temporary-seats-at-cowboys-stadium-on-game-day.ece

The problem with these articles is that they are making more issue than what actually happened. The issue was completion. If the 4 days were not missed by the contractor, they finish the job and there is no issue. The incompletion of stands was deemed a safety issue because rails were not finished. Not because of a structural problem that needed inspection. The plans were fine. There was adequate time to finish the job. The job started as soon as the stadium was available for it, and the contractor agreed that they could finish it. As far as I'm concerned, that the only issue here. The contractor simply did not finish the stands because they missed 4 days. The NFL knew this was a possible issue. They were the issuers of the tickets. They(the NFL) took the opportunity and hoped that it would work itself out. It didn't.

Yes, it does matter. What happens if there is no season because the players and owners can't get along? No SB. That means Indy has to go to the back of the line and wait another 3 years down the road. Jerry knew this, and that is why he came up with a last minute idea about making another $28 million if they pack in another 20,000 fans in. Hey, I was just answering the guy above me about how Indy is complaining about everything. You do realize that it was Jerry that pitched the bid to host the SB in Dallas, not the NFL. They should have had backup plans for everything. Now, instead of making an extra $28 million, they only made about half that much...

I didn't think that much money would have gone to Jerry. Is that the "rent" I suppose?

With the Super Bowl, the NFL essentially takes most, if not all, of the revenue, leaving the owner of the stadium not much but crumbs. This money is then given to the other teams equally throughout the league. The only real money owners such as Jerry tend to make is advertising their city, stadium, and any local businesses they may have a hand in, from my understanding.

I wouldn't go as far as to say he stole anything, it's the NFL, it's a business. DFW and Cowboys Stadium is much more alluring than Lucas Oil Stadium and Indianapolis.

Yes, it does matter. What happens if there is no season because the players and owners can't get along? No SB. That means Indy has to go to the back of the line and wait another 3 years down the road. Jerry knew this, and that is why he came up with a last minute idea about making another $28 million if they pack in another 20,000 fans in. Hey, I was just answering the guy above me about how Indy is complaining about everything. You do realize that it was Jerry that pitched the bid to host the SB in Dallas, not the NFL. They should have had backup plans for everything. Now, instead of making an extra $28 million, they only made about half that much...

The other 31 owners voted for the North Texas bid over Indy. Case closed. This is not a FIFA-esque scheme.

Would've the week old, 1000-room JW Marriott been ready for guests of they got the game? If it was going to be ready, then it should have been build prior to the 2010 NCAA Final Four. You need luxury rooms and at teh time of bidding they did not have them or a true plan for construction in the economy at that time.

The other 31 owners voted for the North Texas bid over Indy. Case closed. This is not a FIFA-esque scheme.

Would've the week old, 1000-room JW Marriott been ready for guests of they got the game? If it was going to be ready, then it should have been build prior to the 2010 NCAA Final Four. You need luxury rooms and at teh time of bidding they did not have them or a true plan for construction in the economy at that time.

Humm, yes they did have the plan for the hotel and yes it would have been done. Just like the new expanded convention center and the new airport which are all opened now. By the way, what does the Final 4 have to do with the SB? Indy has had plenty of Final 4 without this hotel. If I remember right, Indy had just started on the construction of the 4 hotel complex, just like Dallas just started on their stadium. If they would have gotten the 2011 SB it would have been done about 6 months ago. Either way, this hotel complex would have been built. Its a convention hotel, not a SB hotel. Its like saying, Dallas doesn't have 110,000 seat stadium yet, but we will in 3 yrs..

Humm, yes they did have the plan for the hotel and yes it would have been done. Just like the new expanded convention center and the new airport which are all opened now. By the way, what does the Final 4 have to do with the SB? Indy has had plenty of Final 4 without this hotel. If I remember right, Indy had just started on the construction of the 4 hotel complex, just like Dallas just started on their stadium. If they would have gotten the 2011 SB it would have been done about 6 months ago. Either way, this hotel complex would have been built. Its a convention hotel, not a SB hotel. Its like saying, Dallas doesn't have 110,000 seat stadium yet, but we will in 3 yrs..

It has to do with timing and to getting projects done on time.

none of which has to actually do with Cowboys Stadium, but you were the one who had to cry about Nap town not getting the game this year and just having to settle for the annual Black Expo and a have more sand go through the hourglass of the lifespan of Conseco Fieldhouse.

Would it possible to raise the Jerry-Tron all the way to the ceiling?

Anyone know for sure?

The new video screen inside BC Place Stadium will have the ability to be retracted all the way up.:cool:

Would it possible to raise the Jerry-Tron all the way to the ceiling?

Anyone know for sure?

The new video screen inside BC Place Stadium will have the ability to be retracted all the way up.:cool:

I dunno about all the way up, but it can go up pretty far. Had to be raised for the U2 360 tour. Kind of hard to compare the two considering the weight and size of Jerrytron.

I dunno about all the way up, but it can go up pretty far. Had to be raised for the U2 360 tour. Kind of hard to compare the two considering the weight and size of Jerrytron.

I think the Jerry-Tron was raised about 25 feet for the U2 concert.

Do you think that they could raise it about, say, 30 feet?

I think the Jerry-Tron was raised about 25 feet for the U2 concert.

Do you think that they could raise it about, say, 30 feet?

hehe, I dunno. Theoretically, there's room. Guess it depends on how the pulley system is made.

This stadium deserves a bit more attention here. Sure, it is completed, but it is absolutely magnificant. And I will be going there to see it myself in August and have a ticket for the NFL pre-season game. :)

I found some photos of Cowboys Stadium by a PRO photographer

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One thing I love about American stadiums, that are particularly lacking in European builds, is the lack of any conservatism in the designs. What I mean is, you look at this stadium and you just know nothing like it would be built in any European country, it's just so grandiose and huge. There's nothing like it anywhere else in the world, it's really unique.

Currently probably the best stadium in the world. Should Stade de France get retractable roof then it will take over #1 spot.

This stadium deserves a bit more attention here. Sure, it is completed, but it is absolutely magnificant. And I will be going there to see it myself in August and have a ticket for the NFL pre-season game. :)
you probably won't get to see that game...

^^ We have to wait and see. I hope the lockout issues will be resolved in time.

Its a Great stadium but think wembley is just a bit better but not sat in cowboy stadium and I have sat in Wembley twice once to see a NFL Game and the other to see my home town team winning the FA Trophy. EPA001 Don't think your ticket are going to be used. Iam not holding my breath for the London game in october.

I saw that this stadium has removable seats...

where are these seats when they are not being used?????

Possibly stored in the stadium somewhere? Extra seating or not, this is one of my favourite NFL stadiums by far, multi purpose, fan orientated (despite a very few awkward views) and a genuinely beautiful stadium and for NFL, that massive HD screen works perfectly. It's just a shame that the extra seats for the Super Bowl seating didn't quite work out.

you probably won't get to see that game...

Well, I got to see the game and did the tour of the Stadium 1 day later. :banana: Absolutely magnificant. There is no better equipped stadium in the world then this one. For soccer it would need some changes to be perfect, but for NFL games this is the stadium you want. Though it needs to be full to get the full atmosphere. Reliant Stadium does not require that many people and then still has a very good fan atmosphere. :)

For a selection of the pictures, also from Reliant Stadium when I visited there, click on the link (Stadions Texas) below in my signature. Comment is in Dutch though. ;)

One thing I love about American stadiums, that are particularly lacking in European builds, is the lack of any conservatism in the designs. What I mean is, you look at this stadium and you just know nothing like it would be built in any European country, it's just so grandiose and huge. There's nothing like it anywhere else in the world, it's really unique.

I don't necessarily agree with what happens in US sport as far as taxpayer funding is concerned, but it sure does make for nice stadiums.

Its a Great stadium but think wembley is just a bit better but not sat in cowboy stadium and I have sat in Wembley twice once to see a NFL Game and the other to see my home town team winning the FA Trophy. EPA001 Don't think your ticket are going to be used. Iam not holding my breath for the London game in october.

Just perusing both threads I don't see how Wembley could even begin to compare to Cowboys Stadium, let alone surpass it. Perhaps if I experienced both firsthand I'd change my mind.

^^ Well, the quality of the spectator comfort is unsurpassed at Cowboys Stadium imho. Of the soccer-based stadiums worldwide I guess Wembley in London and probably Bernabue in Madrid come closest as very luxury and high quality stadiums, but are nowhere near surpassing a stadium like Cowboys Stadium in Arlington.

That is not a perfect socces-stadium, those suites at pitch level are killing a soccer atmosphere, but this is first and foremost a NFL stadium. For that I would say it is perfect. :).

Does Cowboys stadium have any restricted views ?

Does Wembley stadium have any restriced views ?

I don't know. But Cowboys Stadium looks a helluva lot sexier. Wembley looks like a truck stop compared to Cowboys.

Does Cowboys stadium have any restricted views ?

Not that I know of. And I took the tour 1 day after the game so I had views on the pitch from multiple angles and levels. Of course the pitch side business suites have obstructed view when players are standing alongside the pitch. But that is exactly what they wanted to offer with these suites.


Does Wembley stadium have any restriced views ?

Not that I know of. But there is more then the lack of a restrictive view to make a great stadium. Wembley for sure is, but imho Cowboys Stadium is overall a lot better. Though also different in some aspects which makes the comparison somewhat awkward.

....was that MADDEN on the big screen?


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^^ Where? In which picture?

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Does Cowboys stadium have any restricted views ?

Does Wembley stadium have any restriced views ?

As far as I know, Cowboys Stadium does not have any restricted views.

I went to a game in 2009 and looked around at every corner, and found no pillars or awkward corners. It's all open and spacious.

I made some small video's as well when I visited this magnificent stadium last month. They can be seen in HD 1080p quality. ;)

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Good videos.

I get hairs standing up on my arms every time I hear the introduction "...YOUR DALLAS COWBOYS!"

Live or on video, :lol:

^^ Where? In which picture?

http://onemansblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Cowboys-Stadium-Top-Seat-Views.jpg

Currently probably the best stadium in the world. Should Stade de France get retractable roof then it will take over #1 spot.

...no wonder, cause it is the most expensive stadium ever:shocked:
1,300,000,000 $ (Stade de France: 291 million €)

...no wonder, cause it is the most expensive stadium ever:shocked:
1,300,000,000 $ (Stade de France: 291 million €)

MetLife Stadium cost more (approximately $1.6 billion).

MetLife Stadium cost more (approximately $1.6 billion).

:eek: $ 1.6 Bln for a stadium of a similar size without a roof?
Cowboys stadium is more valuable!
I guess the spectators in the MetLife Stadium will be enthusiastic to be in an uncovered $1.6 bln - stadium during a New York winter blizzard:)

Costs more to build in NJ.

^^ The land to build upon must be much more expensive to buy in New Jersey than in Texas. ;).

@JJG: I do not know. That picture was quoted by me. It was not a picture I took when I was there. Click on the link "stadions Texas" in my signature nature if you want to see my pictures made in Cowboys and Reliant Stadium. :)

:eek: $ 1.6 Bln for a stadium of a similar size without a roof?
Cowboys stadium is more valuable!
I guess the spectators in the MetLife Stadium will be enthusiastic to be in an uncovered $1.6 bln - stadium during a New York winter blizzard:)
Land values. I expect lands in Dallas to be much cheaper than that in New York tri state area.

Union wages may also have something to do with Met Life being more costly to build.

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What if it hosts WrestleMania?

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Imagine what they'll do to Rangers Stadium if the Rangers ever do anything other than go tits-up in a World Series.

Imagine what they'll do to Rangers Stadium if the Rangers ever do anything other than go tits-up in a World Series.

You mean The Ballpark.... they've got their renovations going on right now. It's just not being released to most of the public.

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Very nice pictures desertpunk. I especially like this one. :okay:

wish I could find a larger version of this pic

http://www.dallasnews.com/incoming/20111110-murray5.jpg.ece/BINARY/w700x467/murray5.JPG

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^^ Strange incident.

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What's the high of the top seats?

Pretty high I would say. But you can still see everything what goes on on the pitch. During the Stadium tour I took last year that was all perfectly visible. :) Though I prefer to sit closer to the pitch, which I fortunately could when watching an NFL game here. ;)

Also you can check this picture:

http://onemansblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Cowboys-Stadium-Top-Seat-Views.jpg

I still think this part (the grey area) looks naff!

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Shame the original plan didn't work out.

I still think this part (the grey area) looks naff!

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Shame the original plan didn't work out.
f**king NIMBYs

f**king NIMBYs

You already have a billion dollar beast right across the street from a Wal-mart. How much more "damage" to the neighborhood would it do? :ohno:

I can see their point on the south side of the stadium, but the north side?