Big Texan
September 17th, 2008, 05:44 AM
redskin fans dont want a smaller stadium, in fact we want a bigger one.
Because the Cowboys built a bigger one!
Because the Cowboys built a bigger one!
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View Full Version : ARLINGTON - Cowboys Stadium (80,000) Big Texan September 17th, 2008, 05:44 AM redskin fans dont want a smaller stadium, in fact we want a bigger one. Because the Cowboys built a bigger one! Big Texan September 17th, 2008, 05:33 PM AND GOD SAID.....LET THERE BE SEATS!!!! http://www.dallasnews.com/video/dallasnews/sports/index.html?nvid=283361&shu=1 Big Texan September 17th, 2008, 05:37 PM The first seat is installed at the new Dallas Cowboys stadium BY ANDREA AHLES aahles@star-telegram.com Kenneth Griffiths, vice president of engineering for seat manufacturer Camatic, greets Harriet Hughes before she sits in her new seat, the first installed at the stadium. She paid $5,000 for a personal seat license. Harriet Hughes has watched the Dallas Cowboys from the wooden benches at the Cotton Bowl and the plastic seats in Texas Stadium, and Tuesday she settled into a new ergonomic plastic seat at the Cowboys’ new stadium in Arlington. "The view is incredible," Hughes declared as she looked out toward what will be the end zone. Hughes’ dark blue plastic seat — Section 304, Row 2, Seat 11 — was the first seat installed on Tuesday. It cost Hughes $5,000 for a personal seat license and $1,250 for tickets to 10 games in 2009. Her family has had Cowboys season tickets since the 1960s. The stadium’s seats were made in Melbourne, Australia, by seatmaker Camatic, and installation is expected to take eight months. About 46,000 seats will make up the general seating in the stadium bowl. All will have a Cowboys star embedded in the plastic on the back and a cupholder for the person sitting in the row above. The seats are individually attached to an aluminum anchor rail, making it easy to replace broken chairs, said Ken Griffiths, Camatic vice president. "If for some reason an arm breaks or a back breaks, somebody puts their foot through it, you just swap the whole chair out and you don’t have to lose the seat," Griffiths said. There will also be 15,000 club and 5,000 suite seats that are padded and upholstered. Installation of those seats will begin in November. While Hughes said the seats were comfortable, she and her husband, Bob, don’t plan to sit in them much. "Hopefully, we will be cheering for lots of Cowboys touchdowns," Bob Hughes said. Seat stats 46,000 General seats that will be installed throughout most of the stadium 19 inches Width of the new seats, compared with 17- and 18-inch seats in Texas Stadium 33 inches Height of the new seats’ backs and their video http://sb1.thefifthnetwork.com/VCMS/Player.aspx?id=cd619911-39cf-41ac-8462-ad0078a31011&UsePlayList=true&UserCompany=Star-Telegram&videoGUID=818c0be6-fa95-4854-a61c-fb7acbc6fca0&channelId=ID0EXF&f=txfor massp88 September 17th, 2008, 10:25 PM How many luxury boxes is this thing going to have? It looks like the Staples Center where you have a small looking lower bowl section, 3 rows of boxes and then a small upper deck. massp88 September 17th, 2008, 10:32 PM Are there any renderings of where the Cowboys plan on putting these extra 20,000 seats? Big Texan September 17th, 2008, 10:46 PM No, but most likely in the end zones where all the open space is. Also, smaller width seats can be put in to change the seating number. Watch the video, see how easy it is to switch out seats? EPA001 September 18th, 2008, 12:23 AM What a beauty is this going to be! Absolutely fantastic! www.sercan.de September 18th, 2008, 02:57 PM How many luxury boxes is this thing going to have? It looks like the Staples Center where you have a small looking lower bowl section, 3 rows of boxes and then a small upper deck. 300 at 6 levels massp88 September 18th, 2008, 03:24 PM 300 at 6 levels Wow, that's insane, it almost seems to be too much. 300 is more than double a lot of NFL stadiums, they really are catering to the corporate crowd. Are those boxes on the field level going to be limited just to the end zones? Or are they going to be all around the field? www.sercan.de September 18th, 2008, 05:39 PM Current Texas Stadium has got 379 :D Looks like all around http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/4997/dallasvr7.jpg Big Texan September 18th, 2008, 08:24 PM Wow, that's insane, it almost seems to be too much. 300 is more than double a lot of NFL stadiums, they really are catering to the corporate crowd. Every team caters to corporate clients. This team added more seats for the "everyman" as well. Andre_idol September 19th, 2008, 01:16 PM :drool: this stadium is insane!!! :nuts: massp88 September 19th, 2008, 06:48 PM Every team caters to corporate clients. This team added more seats for the "everyman" as well. I realize that to stay with the pack as far as stadium revenue goes, club seats and suites are needed. But 300? That's a bit much if you ask me. Everywhere you look in this stadium, a suite level can be found. Those suites on the sidelines, how is that going to work for those not in the end zone? RON-E September 19th, 2008, 07:05 PM i saw this last sunday, it is absolutely mammoth! i took pictures from across the street at the wal-mart parking lot, the only place you can really get to. i will post them later. and yes, you heard me right, the stadium is across the street from a super wal-mart Big Texan September 19th, 2008, 07:14 PM I realize that to stay with the pack as far as stadium revenue goes, club seats and suites are needed. But 300? That's a bit much if you ask me. Everywhere you look in this stadium, a suite level can be found. Those suites on the sidelines, how is that going to work for those not in the end zone? Currently, Texas Stadium has more suites (376 give or take). The Field Level side line suites have access to the stands above them, so when not entertaining your guest, you and your guest can walk up the stairs in your suite to the stands and see the game from front row seats. This stadium needs more suites because the Dallas Cowboys entertain more corporate guest then any other team. They just extended their Miller Lite Contract for another 30 years (The Reason why you dont see Coors Advertising as "The Official Beer of the NFL" in Texas stadium or during cowboys games.} Big Texan September 19th, 2008, 07:15 PM i saw this last sunday, it is absolutely mammoth! i took pictures from across the street at the wal-mart parking lot, the only place you can really get to. i will post them later. and yes, you heard me right, the stadium is across the street from a super wal-mart Tail Gaiter's Super shop. Dont you think Wal-Mart is happy! Soballe September 20th, 2008, 05:32 AM Driving past the stadium on i30 you can see both of the stadiums shining in the Texas sun... makes you think how f*$%ing awesome the cowboys are www.sercan.de September 20th, 2008, 12:10 PM Actually they rised the number of suites to 300 some months ago. HUGE DEMAND : RON-E September 20th, 2008, 11:30 PM These are the pictures i took one week ago today http://www.nautf.org/ronniecity/gallery/albums/uploads/2008/September/IMG_3212.JPG http://www.nautf.org/ronniecity/gallery/albums/uploads/2008/September/IMG_3213.JPG http://www.nautf.org/ronniecity/gallery/albums/uploads/2008/September/IMG_3214.JPG http://www.nautf.org/ronniecity/gallery/albums/uploads/2008/September/IMG_3215.JPG http://www.nautf.org/ronniecity/gallery/albums/uploads/2008/September/IMG_3216.JPG http://www.nautf.org/ronniecity/gallery/albums/uploads/2008/September/IMG_3217.JPG http://www.nautf.org/ronniecity/gallery/albums/uploads/2008/September/IMG_3218.JPG http://www.nautf.org/ronniecity/gallery/albums/uploads/2008/September/IMG_3219.JPG http://www.nautf.org/ronniecity/gallery/albums/uploads/2008/September/IMG_3220.JPG http://www.nautf.org/ronniecity/gallery/albums/uploads/2008/September/IMG_3221.JPG http://www.nautf.org/ronniecity/gallery/albums/uploads/2008/September/IMG_3222.JPG http://www.nautf.org/ronniecity/gallery/albums/uploads/2008/September/IMG_3223.JPG http://www.nautf.org/ronniecity/gallery/albums/uploads/2008/September/IMG_3224.JPG http://www.nautf.org/ronniecity/gallery/albums/uploads/2008/September/IMG_3225.JPG Big Texan September 23rd, 2008, 08:21 PM Pegasusnews.com Week 74 Update North http://media.pegasusnews.com/img/photos/2008/09/21/september21_08_cowboys_stadium.jpg North West http://media.pegasusnews.com/img/photos/2008/09/21/september21_08_02_cowboys_stadium_t450.jpg bing222 September 24th, 2008, 10:13 AM Amazing photos Kuvvaci September 24th, 2008, 11:09 AM beautiful stadium. I'd like the thank to the guys for the photos. It shows that Stadium architecture is in a change in the U.S too. American stadiums were always different than European stadiums or Asians. But this change brings more common points. en1044 September 24th, 2008, 11:19 AM beautiful stadium. I'd like the thank to the guys for the photos. It shows that Stadium architecture is in a change in the U.S too. American stadiums were always different than European stadiums or Asians. But this change brings more common points. i disagree. i tihnk that this stadium is pretty American. The interior is pretty American with the suites and tier layout and the overuse of glass on the outside screams american stadium design. IMO the only thing that could be remotely european is the roof, but thats basically just a copy of Texas Stadium. Kuvvaci September 24th, 2008, 11:50 AM it has very common points with new Wembley in London and Donetsk in Ukraine. This is why I told like this. Also the roof as you said. Of course, still different, but in the past American stadiums were much more diffeent. I also agree with you about the interior. But don't you think there are not more common points than the past? rantanamo September 24th, 2008, 06:02 PM it has very common points with new Wembley in London and Donetsk in Ukraine. This is why I told like this. Also the roof as you said. Of course, still different, but in the past American stadiums were much more diffeent. I also agree with you about the interior. But don't you think there are not more common points than the past? I don't think there's anything European about this one. - Roof is basically a copy of its predecessor up the freeway. Same hole openining, same color, beam structure, etc. Only difference is the retractable roof, and arch spans. The old stadium was built in 1971 and had a retractable roof. If anything its a copy of what the old stadium should have been. - The glass exterior reminds me of Invesco Field if anywhere, Not wavy, like Invesco, but in that its such a large curtain on each side. - Interior is pure HOK - Curtain walls started out more common in baseball, and now to the NFL. Definitely American. A U of Phoenix interior, Texas Stadium roofed, Invesco glass curtained, Lucas Oil glass wall hybrid. The lack of sliding field though is (I'm guessing) because Jerrah owns the turf company that will do the field. What better way to sell than to have it as the turf of the Dallas Cowboys. Still the best of the new artificials that I've been on. Big Texan September 25th, 2008, 05:28 AM Nothing like a Euro Stadium, especially Wembley, Wembley is a sad excuse for over kill on a stadium that never gets used. Euro stadiums are a bunch of bowls stacked on top of each other, much like older American football stadium. This is divided in section, zones, suites, but still leaves it able for you to get involved with everyone. And Ronton, I think you meant Texas Stadium didn't have a retractable roof. I know your from Dallas so im just checking. Big Texan September 25th, 2008, 05:33 AM I also think this is more impressive then The Birds Nest. The Birds Nest, though it may be beautiful architecturally, leaves little for the fans. The openings with the tarp covering and then cutting off with no real continuity to it just looks unfinished. This though, this is complete and is amazing. Big Texan September 27th, 2008, 08:34 AM Countdown to Super Bowl XLV Dallas, Arlington and Fort Worth strategize for year’s worth of pregame festivities Dallas Business Journal - by katherine Cromer Brock Staff writer There will be more than the expected week of flashy parties in Dallas leading up to Super Bowl XLV. Instead, the North Texas Super Bowl XLV Host Committee envisions an entire year of public events, highlighting the region as a whole, said Bill Lively, president of the committee. To ensure regional representation, Lively said, he’s trying to make sure the mayors of Dallas, Fort Worth and Arlington are equally involved on the committee. The game will be held in February 2011 at the new Dallas Cowboys Stadium in Arlington. “All three mayors are really fine people,” Lively said. “We’re friends on behalf of something bigger than all of us. No region has hosted a Super Bowl with two cities with such different personalities.” Arlington Mayor Robert Cluck said none of the cities can pull off an event the size of the Super Bowl on its own, and that working together will create a more promising future for bringing in other sports events. Events leading up to the Super Bowl will take place in all three cities. “There have been some competitive issues between the cities, and we really need to get beyond that,” Cluck said. “We’ll all be more profitable because we have worked together. We can bring huge events regularly to our area.” In recent years, Super Bowls have gone from being in one city to being identified with a region, said Frank Supovitz, senior vice president events for the National Football League. “It has grown to the point that it can’t be contained in a single city,” he said. The 2008 Super Bowl in Glendale, Ariz., was “really a statewide effort,” Supovitz said. The 2009 game will be in the Tampa Bay area. South Florida is hosting 2010. Lively said the NFL controls venue selection and has final say over events, but the committee is planning a “yearlong crescendo of activity and momentum” involving “NFL celebrities and internationally known artists.” He expects events to begin in December 2009 and carry through the game at the new Dallas Cowboys Stadium in Arlington in February 2011. “This Super Bowl is more than a football game,” Lively said. “It’s the chance to bond the region together.” Activities have already started to get rolling in Tampa Bay, the host of the 2009 Super Bowl. Those events have been focused primarily on volunteers and the business community, said Amanda Holt, director of public relations for the Tampa Bay Super Bowl Host Committee. The Tampa Bay committee partnered with the Buccaneers to kick off the football season. And in October, there will be a luncheon with NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell. Tickets are available to members of the public. “The Super Bowl isn’t just a one-day event,” Holt said. “For a host community, it’s a year or more worth of buildup and excitement. You’re stepping onto the world stage and it’s your chance to shine.” http://cll.bizjournals.com/story_image/206217-300-0-1.jpg http://cll.bizjournals.com/story_image/206218-300-0-1.jpg http://cll.bizjournals.com/story_image/206219-300-0-1.jpg Big Texan September 27th, 2008, 08:37 AM Super Bowl organizers get busy Host committee almost ready to hire staff, open offices Dallas Business Journal - by Katherine Cromer Brock Staff writer The North Texas Super Bowl XLV Host Committee is getting ready to hire staff, open offices and prepare for an event that supporters hope will bring more than 300,000 people and at least $500 million into the region by the time the game is played in February 2011. The nonprofit host committee is preparing to announce the locations for its two offices, one of which will be in Dallas and the other in Fort Worth, said committee President Bill Lively. Those offices will open in January with a staff of about a dozen people. A third office could open at the Cowboys’ new stadium in Arlington next summer. Lively said the committee will name a chief executive, financial officer and other key professional staff before the end of October. The staff, which will be responsible for raising up to $30 million and planning and coordinating events leading up to the 2011 Super Bowl, will be in place for more than two years. “I looked for a proven track record of experience and success in communications, special events, financial management and operations,” Lively said. “I looked very carefully at attitude. We need trench workers — no prima donnas.” Members of the committee’s board nominated local executives to be asked to apply for four key positions, said Lively, who added that 60-70 resumes were reviewed by the committee. He declined to release salary information for the new staff. Whomever the committee’s board selects, the expectations will be huge. The 2008 Super Bowl in Glendale, Ariz. attracted 125,000 to the region, including 62,000 for the game, for an economic impact of $500.6 million. Lively said projections are that the North Texas Super Bowl will attract 300,000 to the region, including 90,000 to the game, for an economic impact “well north” of $500 million. Arizona State University’s W.P. Carey School of Business completed an economic impact report based on surveys of more than 1,500 visitors who attended February’s game or related events. They stayed an average of 3.9 nights and spent more than $600 a day, according to the survey. Lively said the North Texas committee will have to recruit and train 18,000-20,000 volunteers. The Tampa Bay Super Bowl Host Committee has recruited 6,400 volunteers for the 2009 Super Bowl, said spokeswoman Amanda Holt, adding: “Every community is different.” Holt also worked for the 2005 Jacksonville committee. There are 28 people on the North Texas Super Bowl’s executive committee, which is serving as the organization’s board of directors. Members include Troy Aikman, Roger Staubach and Ross Perot Jr. Lively said there will be about 150 people on the full committee, with equal representation from Dallas, Fort Worth, Arlington and the surrounding area. Members of the executive committee are still being recruited and will meet for the first time in January. “Our goal is to form a bond among those entities (Arlington, Fort Worth and Dallas) to make a Super Bowl meaningful to the people and impactful to the economy,” Lively said. “It’s going to be the single, biggest event ever produced in this region. The legacy the committee hopes to leave is the infrastructure to attract more major sporting events.” Frank Supovitz, senior vice president of events for the National Football League, said it may by 18 months before the host committee holds its first major public event, which must get the NFL’s OK. “The North Texas Super Bowl Host Committee has been incredibly active, incredibly early, on the planning process for the Super Bowl in 2011,” Supovitz said. “They were pretty far down the road, even in the bidding process, in terms of having venues lined up, getting consensus from local business leaders and government officials and really spoke with one voice when they convinced the owners to vote for North Texas as a Super Bowl destination.” Supovitz said the committee’s $30 million budget is the highest in his memory for a host committee. Arizona’s host committee raised about $17 million, and Tampa Bay’s committee is working to raise $12 million. “But Texas is a unique place,” Supovitz said. “They have a very powerful executive committee. The caliber of the personalities involved will really pay great dividends.” http://cll.bizjournals.com/story_image/206505-300-0-1.jpg RobH September 27th, 2008, 06:05 PM Nothing like a Euro Stadium, especially Wembley, Wembley is a sad excuse for over kill on a stadium that never gets used. Or one of the top five stadiums in the world. That's a comment from someone who doesn't understand English football I'm afraid. Anyway, don't want to take this thread off-topic. Your new stadium is looking brilliant, a monster; and not at all European, I agree. Big Texan September 27th, 2008, 11:04 PM First part of the retractable roof is being installed. http://i402.photobucket.com/albums/pp101/brinkwest/GetLiveImage-1.jpg Big Texan September 29th, 2008, 08:47 AM Pegasusnews.com Week 75 Update North http://media.pegasusnews.com/img/photos/2008/09/28/september28_08_cowboys_stadium.jpg North West http://media.pegasusnews.com/img/photos/2008/09/28/september28_08_02_cowboys_stadium_t450.jpg Andre_idol September 30th, 2008, 02:08 PM First part of the retractable roof is being installed. http://i402.photobucket.com/albums/pp101/brinkwest/GetLiveImage-1.jpg :drool: Big Texan October 1st, 2008, 03:34 AM a teaser to get you to go to see the other other 70 pics by a Mike Lot placement http://lh3.ggpht.com/mike.nimocks/SOGcDm4L88I/AAAAAAAAJ_E/PSapy7Lnajc/s720/DSC07039.JPG Seats http://lh3.ggpht.com/mike.nimocks/SOGcMmk7kQI/AAAAAAAAKCE/tQ-mzlEUGCA/s720/DSC07074.JPG Gods view is re-Born http://lh3.ggpht.com/mike.nimocks/SOGcSF3df_I/AAAAAAAAKDw/SCFnwan108Q/s720/DSC07092.JPG 2nd Level of Store http://lh3.ggpht.com/mike.nimocks/SOGcTihnvPI/AAAAAAAAKEI/ok13jQuqqO4/s720/DSC07096.JPG To Quote a Caveman... "Take a look at the SCORE BOARD" http://lh3.ggpht.com/mike.nimocks/SOGcNEZJzyI/AAAAAAAAKCM/68goTmyieHs/s720/DSC07075.JPG see more at http://picasaweb.google.com/mike.nimocks/InsideTourOfCowboysStadiumII?pli=1# Big Texan October 1st, 2008, 03:36 AM And Popular Science talked about the Stadium of the FUTURE. Guess who they used for the template. http://www.popsci.com/files/imagecache/article_image_large/files/articles/stadiummain.jpg http://www.popsci.com/stadium kanye October 1st, 2008, 03:11 PM Score Board Picture is amazing!!! Big Texan October 6th, 2008, 10:54 PM Pegasusnews.com Week 76 Photo Updates North http://media.pegasusnews.com/img/photos/2008/10/05/october5_08_cowboys_stadium.jpg North West http://media.pegasusnews.com/img/photos/2008/10/05/october_5_08_02_cowboys_stadium_t450.jpg berkshire royal October 6th, 2008, 11:19 PM I wasn't so sure about this stadium at first, but now it's getting close to completion I have to say it does look absolutely stunning :cheers: Why is the capacity so low for non corporate seating? Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't there only 46,000 or something like that, that means nearly half the stadium is corporate. I know that they pay a lot more but still that’s a bit harsh on the average fan who can't pay a couple thousand $ for a ticket. Big Texan October 8th, 2008, 04:20 AM Neiman’s to sell Dallas Cowboys end zone in Christmas Book Dallas Business Journal The anticipated Neiman Marcus Christmas Book for 2008 includes a piece of Dallas history. The Dallas-based upscale retailer is selling an end zone from Texas Stadium for the asking price of $500,000. With the Dallas Cowboys moving into a new stadium next year, the end zone may no longer be needed, but it’s still a part of the football dynasty’s illustrious history. The gift package includes a VIP Cowboys game package, a pregame photo session in the zone with Jerry Jones, a luxury suite for the game and a post-game tailgate party in the end zone, which will eventually be hauled off to one eager fan’s home. The 530-square-yard end zone may be hard to fit into most backyards, but Neiman's and the Cowboys are confident at least one fan has enough room to host this historic piece. swaugh3 October 9th, 2008, 10:29 PM Why they didn't demolish the Cotton Bowl and build this new stadium on its same site? bing222 October 10th, 2008, 02:12 AM Webcam inside the stadium http://nvrservice.eplanit.com/Images/MVT-splash.jpg Big Texan October 10th, 2008, 03:10 AM Why they didn't demolish the Cotton Bowl and build this new stadium on its same site? Former Mayor Laura Miller didn't want it (she apposes anything and everything that will enhance the look of Dallas, including the successful American Airlines Center) so she would not let the people of Dallas vote on it. The was also a Judge who was up for re-election who snubed the attempt to get a city vote on it because she thought it would hurt her chances of being re-elected (she wasnt re-elected anyways) and Ron Cluck (mayor of Arlington) was willing to put it up for Vote in Arlington, the city passed and and now its less then a year away from being finished. Jerry Jones Gave Dallas the first chance to get the new stadium, but the retarded Dallas leaders at the time didnt give us a chance. SIC October 10th, 2008, 07:31 PM it has very common points with new Wembley in London and Donetsk in Ukraine. This is why I told like this. Also the roof as you said. Of course, still different, but in the past American stadiums were much more diffeent. I also agree with you about the interior. But don't you think there are not more common points than the past? Wembley was built by the same American firm.They also built Arsernal's new stadium. I don't think you're giving past stadiums the enough credit, they have always been about the same. The only thing they had missing was a roof in most cases, but that is it. Compare the Nou Camp to NFL stadiums and it's almost indistinguishable. I think it's Europe how has moved to more American-style stadiums. Before a lot were made with separate terraces and open corners model. Arist October 11th, 2008, 12:17 AM I think your right Details October 11th, 2008, 02:20 AM Wooow!!!... http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3243/2928133234_097721666b_b.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3009/2927275029_13efb2e8b6_b.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3069/2928131820_0d0d601db8_b.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3226/2927253669_0bfaba85f9_b.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3235/2928130348_dab44a2c24_b.jpg http://www.flickr.com/photos/mimimariet/page6/ Arist October 11th, 2008, 08:09 AM wow indeed bing222 October 11th, 2008, 08:12 AM OMG great photos archie@leeds October 11th, 2008, 11:34 AM Former Mayor Laura Miller didn't want it (she apposes anything and everything that will enhance the look of Dallas, including the successful American Airlines Center) so she would not let the people of Dallas vote on it. The was also a Judge who was up for re-election who snubed the attempt to get a city vote on it because she thought it would hurt her chances of being re-elected (she wasnt re-elected anyways) and Ron Cluck (mayor of Arlington) was willing to put it up for Vote in Arlington, the city passed and and now its less then a year away from being finished. Jerry Jones Gave Dallas the first chance to get the new stadium, but the retarded Dallas leaders at the time didnt give us a chance. How far is it to Arlington from down town Dallas? rantanamo October 11th, 2008, 02:29 PM 15 minutes without traffic with no traffic EPA001 October 11th, 2008, 02:29 PM Stunning pictures of a stadium that will be a benchmark for many other stadiums still to be developed around the world! What a beauty! BoulderGrad October 11th, 2008, 11:36 PM It looks like a beetle Sea Toby October 11th, 2008, 11:47 PM And if the stadium had pointed ends, I was thinking in terms of a football. BigDA October 12th, 2008, 06:38 AM If you look at the artist rendition, the floor of the plazas makes it look like a football from above. Arist October 13th, 2008, 08:00 AM Pegasusnews.com Week 77 Photo Updates North http://media.pegasusnews.com/img/photos/2008/10/12/october12_08_cowboys_stadium.jpg North West http://media.pegasusnews.com/img/photos/2008/10/12/october_12_08_02_cowboys_stadium_t450.jpg Arist October 13th, 2008, 08:05 AM video http://video.star-telegram.videos.vmixcore.com/vmix_hosted_apps/p/media?id=2269339&f=txfor Dallas star October 16th, 2008, 04:09 AM ROCK ON... Arist October 16th, 2008, 09:53 PM New Dallas Cowboys stadium on track for green recognition By JEFF MOSIER / The Dallas Morning News jmosier@dallasnews.com ARLINGTON – The Dallas Cowboys are expected to have the first sports stadium accepted into a federal program for environmentally friendly buildings. The team announced today that it has submitted an application to the Environmental Protection Agency’s National Environmental Performance Track program. The Cowboys have set goals that include reducing solid waste by 25 percent through recycling, reducing energy use by 20 percent, and reducing water use by 1 million gallons annually. “We should use this visibility to talk about how we should improve the environment,” said Cowboys owner Jerry Jones. The $1.1 billion stadium – which will be finished next year – must open first and have an outside audit before it is officially accepted into the program. But regional EPA administrator Richard Greene, a former Arlington mayor, said the Cowboys have met all the requirements on paper. Mr. Greene said the Cowboys’ stature is bound to give this program a much higher profile. There are currently 548 members in the Performance Track program, some with multiple buildings enrolled. “None of them have the profile that this does,” Mr. Greene said. The program requires members to meet current green standards as well as continue to improve as technology advances. Arist October 17th, 2008, 04:12 AM http://video.star-telegram.videos.vmixcore.com/vmix_hosted_apps/p/media?id=2290773&f=txfor bing222 October 17th, 2008, 10:25 AM Greatest stadium of this year Arist October 18th, 2008, 03:23 AM Dallas Mourning News Video Update http://www.dallasnews.com/video/dallasnews/hp/index.html?nvid=294035&shu=1 Arist October 21st, 2008, 02:54 AM Pegasusnews.com Week 78 Photo Updates North http://media.pegasusnews.com/img/photos/2008/10/19/october19_08_cowboys_stadium.jpg North West http://media.pegasusnews.com/img/photos/2008/10/19/october_19_08_02_cowboys_stadium_t450.jpg ryebreadraz October 21st, 2008, 06:28 AM It's awfully impressive and should be a great place to watch a game, but from a pure aesthetic standpoint I'm not a fan. I don't think it looks so great. salaverryo October 21st, 2008, 07:30 PM Dallas Mourning News Video Update http://www.dallasnews.com/video/dallasnews/hp/index.html?nvid=294035&shu=1 Dallas MOURNING News? Hey, who died? :dunno: massp88 October 22nd, 2008, 01:09 AM I was just watching ESPN and apparently Jerry Jones says the new stadium is going to be the most recognizable building in the country besides the white house. That is laughable. Maybe once the Cowboys win a playoff game and get back their swagger that's been gone since the early 90s, the stadium will be so recognizable. en1044 October 22nd, 2008, 02:30 AM I was just watching ESPN and apparently Jerry Jones says the new stadium is going to be the most recognizable building in the country besides the white house. That is laughable. Maybe once the Cowboys win a playoff game and get back their swagger that's been gone since the early 90s, the stadium will be so recognizable. i didnt see that, but i can imagine that jackass saying it Arist October 22nd, 2008, 02:39 AM I was just watching ESPN and apparently Jerry Jones says the new stadium is going to be the most recognizable building in the country besides the white house. That is laughable. Maybe once the Cowboys win a playoff game and get back their swagger that's been gone since the early 90s, the stadium will be so recognizable. Thats old news to us. This stadium will do it. Super Bowls, Concert Series, Special College Games, AT&T Cotton Bowl Classic (which might be added to the BCS Schedule) Home of the Dallas Cowboys Alone, Hosting World Soccer Matches, possibly even a National Convention, and Just the mere size. When i was in Hawaii i got caught up in a discussion over this with a man from LA who had only heard the cowboys were building a new stadium. After telling him the specifics.... 2 Quarter Mile length Arch's 100,000 seat capability Largest Open roomed structure in the World Largest retractable glass doors in the world Largest video screen ever (and there is 2 of them) He said, and i quote.... "wow, this will be the greatest stadium ever made" I think Jerry has high hopes, but its hopes shared by allot of people in the surrounding areas. bing222 October 22nd, 2008, 04:23 AM Largest video screen ever (and there is 2 of them). Just how big are the screens? Arist October 22nd, 2008, 05:56 AM ill bump this New Dallas Cowboys stadium to have world's largest video displays 10:39 AM CDT on Thursday, June 12, 2008 By ANDREW D. SMITH / The Dallas Morning News asmith@dallasnews.com http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/bus/stories/061208dnbuscowboystech.3576eb1.html Rather than just reading over the massive numbers, try – for just a moment – to envision the product they describe. Imagine four city buses parked in a line. Now imagine another layer of buses stacked on top of them. Add five more layers and hang the 28-bus cluster over a mental football field. Having trouble? You're not alone. Even the folks behind the new Cowboys stadium can't really fathom how the world's largest video displays will change the game for fans. "We have no reference point. It's completely different than anything else in football," said Jack Hill, director of stadium construction. The same holds true for other stadium innovations, which should improve everything from the traffic to the food to the seats. "We're trying a lot of new things. We think it will be a lot of years until any other new stadium tops us," Mr. Hill said. ... http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/img/06-08/0613cowboys450.jpg kanye October 22nd, 2008, 02:20 PM ^^^^rofl 48.5 x 21.6 meter =O damn Arist October 28th, 2008, 02:30 AM Pegasusnews.com Week 79 Photo Updates North http://media.pegasusnews.com/img/photos/2008/10/27/october26_08_cowboys_stadium.jpg North West http://media.pegasusnews.com/img/photos/2008/10/27/october_26_08_02_t450.jpg Arist October 30th, 2008, 08:58 AM 2010 NBA All-Star game set for Dallas Cowboys stadium BY JEFF CAPLAN jcaplanl@star-telegram.com STAR-TELEGRAM/MAX FAULKNER Basketball will come to the Dallas Cowboys' new stadium in Arlington early in 2010 in the form of the NBA All-Star Game. Thanks to cooperation from the Dallas Cowboys, once-reluctant Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban will finally bring the NBA’s All-Star Weekend back to North Texas in 2010. The Dallas Mavericks and Cowboys will make the official announcement at 4 p.m. Thursday to Mavs fans who gather early at Victory Plaza outside the American Airlines Center, Cuban said via email. The Mavs then open the regular season at 7 p.m. against the Houston Rockets. The All-Star Game will be played at the Cowboys' new football stadium in Arlington. Other events, such as the 3-point shootout and dunk contest, will be at the American Airlines Center, with ancillary events like the NBA Fan Jam being held at other Dallas venues. In May it became known that the two franchises were working together with the NBA to make the event happen. Cuban had previously rejected the idea of hosting the All-Star Game at American Airlines Center because the NBA secures the majority of tickets and Cuban didn’t want to shut out season-ticket holders. “I just wanted to find a place that could hold our season ticketholders and visitors for an All-Star Game,” Cuban said in May when he confirmed that a joint venture with the Cowboys was in play. The Cowboys’ new stadium, scheduled to open in 2009, will accommodate the NBA and Cuban. It won’t be the first time the NBA’s All-Star Game will be held at a football stadium. The Pontiac Silverdome, the Hoosier Dome, the Kingdome, the Astrodome and the Alamodome have been previous sites. The Mavs last hosted All-Star Weekend in 1986 at Reunion Arena. This season’s game is being held in Phoenix. Arist October 31st, 2008, 04:49 AM Slam Dunk Cowboys Stadium To Host 2010 NBA All-Star Game Rob Phillips DallasCowboys.com Staff Writer October 30, 2008 6:32 PM DALLAS - The largest NFL venue ever built won't be exclusive to America's Team. It's the site of Super Bowl XLV in 2011, and the future home for the renewed Arkansas-Texas A&M rivalry. Now add this to the list of sporting events at the Dallas Cowboys' new stadium in Arlington, Texas: The potential for the largest NBA All-Star Game audience ever. That's the goal for Cuban and Cowboys owner Jerry Jones, who announced Thursday the 80,000-seat stadium, scheduled for completion next year, will be the host site for the 2010 All-Star Game. Not just 80,000, mind you, but the expandable 100,000-seat capacity. "It'll be a real exciting and doable effort to create the most-watched NBA All-Star Game ever," Jones said outside American Airlines Center in Dallas before the Mavericks opened their 2008-09 season against the Houston Rockets. "That's doable because of the fan base we have here, the interest in sports and because we're in the central part of the country." Standing before a throng of Cowboys and Mavericks fans, Jones, Cuban and NBA commissioner David Stern dropped a blue curtain to reveal the 2010 NBA All-Star Game logo - fittingly with a bright blue star in the center. Joining them on stage were Mavericks stars Dirk Nowitzki, Jason Terry and Jerry Stackhouse. Scheduled each February, the All-Star Game last appeared in Dallas in 1986 (Reunion Arena). This time the week's events will be split between American Airlines Center and the Dallas Convention Center. And as Stern said, the "main dish" - the game itself - will be played inside the Cowboys' stadium. "In all candor, I didn't think we'd have an All-Star Game here," Cuban said, "because there's so many great Mavericks fans, I didn't think there would be a building big enough to hold us all. "Thanks to Jerry, that's changed." Other football stadium host sites have been San Antonio's Alamodome (1996) and Houston's Astrodome (1989), which produced an All-Star Game record 44,735 fans. Cuban hopes to shatter that mark by using the entire 100,000-seat capacity, which Jones says logistically can be filled "with ease" because of the stadium's configuration. This year's All-Star Game is in Phoenix. Jones credited Cuban for helping make the 2010 event possible. "The kinds of things he's done to create energy, this is an example of it," Jones said. "You have to have a forward-thinking NBA owner to put this together." And an innovative NFL owner, too. Arist October 31st, 2008, 07:41 AM List of Events: September 2009: Cowboys' first home game (8 Games a year, plus Play off games) Oct. 3, 2009: Texas A&M vs. Arkansas: (football) (10 year series with 4 year possible extension) December 2009: Big 12 football championship Jan. 2, 2010: AT&T Cotton Bowl (Annual Game and possibly a future BCS Game) February 2010: NBA All-Star Game Feb. 6, 2011: Super Bowl XLV Oct. 5, 2013: Notre Dame vs. Arizona State (football) Proposed List of Events: Annual Concert Series Army vs. Navy (football) UT vs. OU (football) Texas tech vs. Oklahoma State (football) 2022 FIFA World Cup Venue USA Soccer vs. (Insert Country) friendly matches 2012 Republican or Democratic National Convention Its on its way to being as recognizable as the White House. KingmanIII October 31st, 2008, 08:42 AM List of Events: September 2009: Cowboys' first home game (8 Games a year, plus Play off games) Oct. 3, 2009: Texas A&M vs. Arkansas: (football) (10 year series with 4 year possible extension) December 2009: Big 12 football championship Jan. 2, 2010: AT&T Cotton Bowl (Annual Game and possibly a future BCS Game) February 2010: NBA All-Star Game Feb. 6, 2011: Super Bowl XLV Oct. 5, 2013: Notre Dame vs. Arizona State (football) Proposed List of Events: Annual Concert Series Army vs. Navy (football) UT vs. OU (football) Texas tech vs. Oklahoma State (football) 2022 FIFA World Cup Venue USA Soccer vs. (Insert Country) friendly matches 2012 Republican or Democratic National Convention Its on its way to being as recognizable as the White House. Won't happen--they renovated and expanded the Cotton Bowl for this purpose alone. massp88 October 31st, 2008, 03:06 PM List of Events: September 2009: Cowboys' first home game (8 Games a year, plus Play off games) Oct. 3, 2009: Texas A&M vs. Arkansas: (football) (10 year series with 4 year possible extension) December 2009: Big 12 football championship Jan. 2, 2010: AT&T Cotton Bowl (Annual Game and possibly a future BCS Game) February 2010: NBA All-Star Game Feb. 6, 2011: Super Bowl XLV Oct. 5, 2013: Notre Dame vs. Arizona State (football) Proposed List of Events: Annual Concert Series Army vs. Navy (football) UT vs. OU (football) Texas tech vs. Oklahoma State (football) 2022 FIFA World Cup Venue USA Soccer vs. (Insert Country) friendly matches 2012 Republican or Democratic National Convention Its on its way to being as recognizable as the White House. To move the Texas-OU to the new Texas Stadium would be a shame and hamper the aura of the game. Arist October 31st, 2008, 11:23 PM Jerry is trying, I hope it does not happen, but Jerry is trying his hardest. There is also rumors the UNC and UT are putting together series for here. Arist October 31st, 2008, 11:42 PM More on the 2010 All Star Game http://www.nba.com/media/mavericks/TS_allStar.gif Videos from the Festival http://www.dallasnews.com/video/dallasnews/hp/index.html?nvid=298557&shu=1 http://www.nba.com/video/channels/nba_tv/2008/10/31/nba_20081028_allstar_reveal_sot.nba/ en1044 November 1st, 2008, 12:28 AM List of Events: September 2009: Cowboys' first home game (8 Games a year, plus Play off games) Oct. 3, 2009: Texas A&M vs. Arkansas: (football) (10 year series with 4 year possible extension) December 2009: Big 12 football championship Jan. 2, 2010: AT&T Cotton Bowl (Annual Game and possibly a future BCS Game) February 2010: NBA All-Star Game Feb. 6, 2011: Super Bowl XLV Oct. 5, 2013: Notre Dame vs. Arizona State (football) Proposed List of Events: Annual Concert Series Army vs. Navy (football) UT vs. OU (football) Texas tech vs. Oklahoma State (football) 2022 FIFA World Cup Venue USA Soccer vs. (Insert Country) friendly matches 2012 Republican or Democratic National Convention Its on its way to being as recognizable as the White House. this game does not belong in Dallas TexasBoi November 1st, 2008, 12:42 AM You won't have to worry about Texas/OU nor Army/Navy going to the new stadium. Texas and OU just signed a new contract and will renew that contract once that ends. They never want to leave the Cotton Bowl. So dead that. Army/Navy does NOT belong in Dallas at all. ND playing a game in Dallas is laughable. They really want that recruiting advantage. Problem is that they have to go against Texas/ OU/ and LSU to get recruits now. Arist November 3rd, 2008, 07:33 PM Pegasusnews.com Week 79 Photo Updates North http://media.pegasusnews.com/img/photos/2008/11/02/november02_08_cowboys_stadium.jpg North West http://media.pegasusnews.com/img/photos/2008/11/02/november_2_08_02_t450.jpg massp88 November 3rd, 2008, 08:56 PM You won't have to worry about Texas/OU nor Army/Navy going to the new stadium. Texas and OU just signed a new contract and will renew that contract once that ends. They never want to leave the Cotton Bowl. So dead that. Army/Navy does NOT belong in Dallas at all. ND playing a game in Dallas is laughable. They really want that recruiting advantage. Problem is that they have to go against Texas/ OU/ and LSU to get recruits now. The Notre Dame - Arizona State game is a head scratcher. I would bet a lot that this game does not sell out or come close to it. Notre Dame has not been a top team in over a decade, nor have they won a bowl game since 1996 I believe. They are not nearly the same draw they were back in the mid 1990s, NBC's ratings of their games have been in steady decline. They are way behind the likes of, OU, TEXAS, etc. Aka November 4th, 2008, 12:35 AM Taken from flickr. Belongs to fieldsbh. http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3010/2998346854_827a3a082c_o.jpg And this one to bblivit. http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3063/2996508498_0c3e21edf9_b.jpg TexasBoi November 4th, 2008, 12:55 AM The Notre Dame - Arizona State game is a head scratcher. I would bet a lot that this game does not sell out or come close to it. Notre Dame has not been a top team in over a decade, nor have they won a bowl game since 1996 I believe. They are not nearly the same draw they were back in the mid 1990s, NBC's ratings of their games have been in steady decline. They are way behind the likes of, OU, TEXAS, etc. They are doing it only for recruiting purposes. What ND does not understand is that nobody gives a damn about the prestige of Norte Dame anymore. Especially the Southern States plus Texas. ames November 4th, 2008, 01:02 AM cool. trmather November 4th, 2008, 02:08 AM How on earth do you get a picture looking like that first one? It's a lovely effect. Filter on the camera or Photoshoppage? Aka November 4th, 2008, 04:02 AM Photoshop making it HDR. Arist November 7th, 2008, 08:13 PM West roof panel structure is finished and work is beginning on the East panel. The field plate is almost finished being laid, score board structure is nearly complete and the West glass wall structure is going up. Internal Web cam http://www.eplanit.com/live-construction-camera2.aspx External Web Cam http://www.eplanit.com/live-construction-camera.aspx ADCS November 8th, 2008, 04:09 PM They are doing it only for recruiting purposes. What ND does not understand is that nobody gives a damn about the prestige of Norte Dame anymore. Especially the Southern States plus Texas. Most Catholics in the region still care about Notre Dame. Arist November 8th, 2008, 07:58 PM Most Catholics in the region still care about Notre Dame. I dont. Allot of my friends dont. Notre Dame was a cool thing back in the 50's through late 90's, but now people are going to the schools that can really provide for them. Notre Dame will never be back at the level it used to be. JYDA November 8th, 2008, 09:19 PM Not sure if this was already discussed but can the stadium fit a soccer field? nyrmetros November 8th, 2008, 09:30 PM Not sure if this was already discussed but can the stadium fit a soccer field? Frm what I read the field will be FIFA approved. To build a new NFL stadium these days and not have the field FIFA approved is $illy. ryebreadraz November 8th, 2008, 10:15 PM It is World Cup compliant Arist November 10th, 2008, 09:43 AM It is World Cup compliant I swear, this is asked every other month... YES ryebreadraz November 10th, 2008, 10:07 AM I swear, this is asked every other month... YES I was answering the question, not asking it. plasticterminator November 10th, 2008, 02:57 PM Size is not most important consideration! What you are forgetting is that they will make an artificial field in this stadium with permanent markings for American football. Therefore in order to host any professional football (soccer) game let alone a fifa world cup for example a major expense would have to be incurred-this would i imagine come in only 2 options 1-take out existing carpet and lay a temporary football carpet without american ftbl markings etc. 2-place a temporary field over the top of existing one either using a modular system or building up a construction over the top of existing one. ElDiablo Chili November 10th, 2008, 07:00 PM ^^ Not necessarily. The field will not be permanently fixed in place. When concerts or other events are held at the stadium (the NBA all-star game) the field will be rolled up and stored. This means for a soccer game all they would have to do is rollup the football field and install a soccer field. Arist November 10th, 2008, 09:08 PM Size is not most important consideration! What you are forgetting is that they will make an artificial field in this stadium with permanent markings for American football. Therefore in order to host any professional football (soccer) game let alone a fifa world cup for example a major expense would have to be incurred-this would i imagine come in only 2 options 1-take out existing carpet and lay a temporary football carpet without american ftbl markings etc. 2-place a temporary field over the top of existing one either using a modular system or building up a construction over the top of existing one. the field will have to be re-marked for The Cotton Bowl, A&M v Arkansas, and all the other games that will be here, and the field will be lifted out for concerts like what they do at every artificial stadium in the world. Arist November 11th, 2008, 04:00 AM Pegasusnews.com Week 81 Photo Updates North http://media.pegasusnews.com/img/photos/2008/11/09/november09_08_cowboys_stadium.jpg North West http://media.pegasusnews.com/img/photos/2008/11/09/november09_08_02_cowboys_stadium_t450.jpg bing222 November 11th, 2008, 05:26 AM Amazing cameras Arist November 13th, 2008, 12:25 AM Dallas Cowboys, Big 12 officials pitching new stadium for Final Four 02:10 PM CST on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 By JEFF MOSIER / The Dallas Morning News jmosier@dallasnews.com Dallas Cowboys and Big 12 Conference officials are in Indianapolis on Wednesday to make the case that North Texas is ready to host its first NCAA men’s Final Four basketball tournament in at least 26 years. If they succeed, this would add to the already prestigious resume of the new $1.1 billion Cowboys stadium that’s under construction in Arlington. The stadium is six months from completion, but it has already landed the 2010 NBA All-Star game and Super Bowl XLV in 2011. A Final Four in 2012 would give it three of the county’s largest sporting events in consecutive years. The local bid officials will make the presentation to a 10-member NCAA committee at 9 a.m. Central time at the downtown Westin Indianapolis. Each of the 10 competing cities will have an hour to convince the committee. A Dallas Cowboys spokesman was traveling Tuesday afternoon and could not immediately be reached for comment. Top Arlington officials were not in Indianapolis, but Tim Allen, senior associate commissioner for the Big 12, was there for the presentation. David Worlock, a spokesman for the Division I men’s basketball championship, said the NCAA committee will look for a “meat and potatoes” pitch from the Cowboys and other bidders. “They are asked to keep it less about the flash and more about substance,” he said. “They don’t need to spend an inordinate amount of time on the glitz that you see in some presentations.” Mr. Worlock said the focus will be the competition venues, transportation, hotel contracts and other basics. Half the presentations were scheduled for Tuesday and the other half was set for Wednesday. The cities are applying for the right to host any of the five Final Four tournaments held from 2012 to 2016. A decision could be announced late this week or early next week. After the presentations, Mr. Worlock said that each member submits a list of the three best candidates in no particular order, and then the bid cities would be ranked based on the number of votes each receives. He said there are no rules that would prevent all three Texas finalists from winning a Final Four. Besides Arlington, Houston and San Antonio are also competing. “The committee is not bound by geographic restrictions,” Mr. Worlock said, although that is a factor when choosing sites for the earlier rounds. San Antonio hosted the tournament this year, and Houston’s Reliant Stadium will have the games in 2011. Officials in San Antonio had projected that visitors would spend about $77 million while in town for the games this spring. The other bidders are Indianapolis, Detroit, Atlanta, New Orleans, Minneapolis, Phoenix and St. Louis. If the Cowboys are successful, this would be the first Final Four held in the area since 1986 at Reunion Arena, which closed this summer and is slated for demolition. trmather November 13th, 2008, 01:27 AM Must be said, it's hugely impressive, but it's just as bad as Wembley exteriorwise. bixa louca November 13th, 2008, 03:29 PM I love everything about Wembley. http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/01/0d/52/69/wembley-stadium.jpg en1044 November 13th, 2008, 06:02 PM i dont thinkt the Wembley exterior is bad at all massp88 November 13th, 2008, 06:42 PM Dallas Cowboys, Big 12 officials pitching new stadium for Final Four 02:10 PM CST on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 By JEFF MOSIER / The Dallas Morning News jmosier@dallasnews.com Dallas Cowboys and Big 12 Conference officials are in Indianapolis on Wednesday to make the case that North Texas is ready to host its first NCAA men’s Final Four basketball tournament in at least 26 years. If they succeed, this would add to the already prestigious resume of the new $1.1 billion Cowboys stadium that’s under construction in Arlington. The stadium is six months from completion, but it has already landed the 2010 NBA All-Star game and Super Bowl XLV in 2011. A Final Four in 2012 would give it three of the county’s largest sporting events in consecutive years. The local bid officials will make the presentation to a 10-member NCAA committee at 9 a.m. Central time at the downtown Westin Indianapolis. Each of the 10 competing cities will have an hour to convince the committee. A Dallas Cowboys spokesman was traveling Tuesday afternoon and could not immediately be reached for comment. Top Arlington officials were not in Indianapolis, but Tim Allen, senior associate commissioner for the Big 12, was there for the presentation. David Worlock, a spokesman for the Division I men’s basketball championship, said the NCAA committee will look for a “meat and potatoes” pitch from the Cowboys and other bidders. “They are asked to keep it less about the flash and more about substance,” he said. “They don’t need to spend an inordinate amount of time on the glitz that you see in some presentations.” Mr. Worlock said the focus will be the competition venues, transportation, hotel contracts and other basics. Half the presentations were scheduled for Tuesday and the other half was set for Wednesday. The cities are applying for the right to host any of the five Final Four tournaments held from 2012 to 2016. A decision could be announced late this week or early next week. After the presentations, Mr. Worlock said that each member submits a list of the three best candidates in no particular order, and then the bid cities would be ranked based on the number of votes each receives. He said there are no rules that would prevent all three Texas finalists from winning a Final Four. Besides Arlington, Houston and San Antonio are also competing. “The committee is not bound by geographic restrictions,” Mr. Worlock said, although that is a factor when choosing sites for the earlier rounds. San Antonio hosted the tournament this year, and Houston’s Reliant Stadium will have the games in 2011. Officials in San Antonio had projected that visitors would spend about $77 million while in town for the games this spring. The other bidders are Indianapolis, Detroit, Atlanta, New Orleans, Minneapolis, Phoenix and St. Louis. If the Cowboys are successful, this would be the first Final Four held in the area since 1986 at Reunion Arena, which closed this summer and is slated for demolition. The NCAA should know the drill every year, considering the same 10 cities are going to be bidding for it every year. Arist November 13th, 2008, 08:46 PM Thats why this stadium should be picked. Im tired of all the other stadiums, time for a new place. Arist November 13th, 2008, 08:47 PM http://media.pegasusnews.com/img/photos/2008/11/09/november09_08_02_cowboys_stadium_t450.jpg http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/01/0d/52/69/wembley-stadium.jpg I like the comparisons and love the exteriors. larsul November 13th, 2008, 09:16 PM Size is not most important consideration! What you are forgetting is that they will make an artificial field in this stadium with permanent markings for American football. Therefore in order to host any professional football (soccer) game let alone a fifa world cup for example a major expense would have to be incurred-this would i imagine come in only 2 options 1-take out existing carpet and lay a temporary football carpet without american ftbl markings etc. 2-place a temporary field over the top of existing one either using a modular system or building up a construction over the top of existing one. Believe me.. is there's a worldcup coming up, the grass will be the last thing they owners of the stadium or FIFA will worry about.. the grass will grow in a month before the event and be laid in day. they do have the technology you know.. trmather November 13th, 2008, 09:32 PM I love everything about Wembley. Well the general consensus is that it looks like a shopping mall exteriorwise, yet this stadium is pretty damn similar and you don't hear it at all. Arist November 13th, 2008, 09:36 PM Sorry it does not look like a patchwork old school ground your used to looking at. But not all malls look like the new glass and steel stadiums going up. I have seen quite a few that have bricking and stones all over them with little glass, other are made with sky scrappers on top of them. So, I guess it could be said the new malls look like these Stadiums. en1044 November 13th, 2008, 10:34 PM Well the general consensus is that it looks like a shopping mall exteriorwise, yet this stadium is pretty damn similar and you don't hear it at all. thats because HOK, an american firm, designed Wembley. It may look like a mall in England but here it looks like another typical stadium massp88 November 13th, 2008, 10:51 PM Thats why this stadium should be picked. Im tired of all the other stadiums, time for a new place. Or, the NCAA could decide to play the game in arenas instead of domes and thus have a whole new slew of sites to host the game. Pretty soon the the regional finals will only be played in cities that have domes. Then again, the NCAA wants the money. Arist November 14th, 2008, 07:07 AM Or, the NCAA could decide to play the game in arenas instead of domes and thus have a whole new slew of sites to host the game. Pretty soon the the regional finals will only be played in cities that have domes. Then again, the NCAA wants the money. Everyone wants the money. Arist November 18th, 2008, 03:10 AM Pegasusnews.com Week 82 Photo Updates North http://media.pegasusnews.com/img/photos/2008/11/16/november16_08_cowboys_stadium.jpg North West http://media.pegasusnews.com/img/photos/2008/11/16/november16_08_02_cowboys_stadium_t450.jpg Arist November 18th, 2008, 03:16 AM Fort Worth Star Telegram Video Update. http://video.star-telegram.videos.vmixcore.com/vmix_hosted_apps/p/media?id=2392982&f=txfor Aka November 18th, 2008, 03:26 AM From Flickr, by Fieldsbh: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3183/3016187941_de784240f7_o.jpg Arist November 19th, 2008, 11:05 PM By JEFF MOSIER / The Dallas Morning News jmosier@dallasnews.com ARLINGTON – The men’s Final Four basketball championship will return to the Dallas-Fort Worth area in 2014 after a 28-year absence. The NCAA announced this morning that the new $1.1 billion Dallas Cowboys stadium in Arlington will host one of the nation's premier sporting events. The area last hosted a Final Four tournament in 1986 at Reunion Arena, which is set to be demolished next year. The other winning bidders were New Orleans, Atlanta, Houston and Indianapolis, home of the NCAA headquarters. The new Cowboys stadium, which is still under construction and opens in 2009, will now host three of the nation’s largest team sporting events in its first few years. Last month, the NBA announced that it would hold its 2010 All-Star Game at the Cowboys stadium, and the site has already been selected for the 2011 Super Bowl. Officials from the Cowboys, Big 12 Conference and regional officials active in the Super Bowl bid made a presentation last week to the 10-member NCAA committee in Indianapolis. There were 10 cities or regions bidding for the Final Fours held from 2012 to 2016. The bids from Detroit, Minneapolis, Phoenix/Glendale, San Antonio and St. Louis were rejected. The new Cowboys stadium will be configured to seat 93,000 for the Final Four, which would be the largest attendance of any Final Four. The current record of 64,959 was set in 1987 at the Louisiana Superdome in New Orleans when Indiana defeated Syracuse 74-73. Mike Slive, chairman of the NCAA selection committee, said the new Cowboys stadium was a big selling point, but the bids go far beyond just numbers of seats. “We have to now be concerned with not only the competition venue, which is fundamental, but also the ability of it to have venues for the day of game events,” said Mr. Slive, who is also commissioner of the Southeastern Conference. He said that the end zones plazas at the Arlington stadium will allow for major game day activities. Also, Mr. Slive said that the Dallas’ growing downtown arts district, including the Dallas Center for the Performing Arts, will be ground zero many of the game week events. The North Texas bidders, Mr. Slive said, made “athletes and the arts” the theme of their presentation. http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/img/11-08/1120finalfour700.jpg http://i402.photobucket.com/albums/pp101/brinkwest/Picture1.png Confirmed sporting events at the new Dallas Cowboys stadium in Arlington Oct. 3, 2009: Texas A&M vs. Arkansas football game (10-year contract with options of up to 20 more years) Dec. 5, 2009: Big 12 football championship Jan. 2, 2010: AT&T Cotton Bowl (10 year contract with options of up to 25 more years) Feb. 14, 2010: NBA All-Star game Dec. 4, 2010: Big 12 football championship Feb. 6, 2011: Super Bowl XLV Oct. 5, 2013: Notre Dame vs. Arizona State football April 5 and 7, 2014: NCAA Final Four Possible events at the new Dallas Cowboys stadium in Arlington Undetermined date: Texas Tech vs. Oklahoma State football Dec. 19, 2009: Texas vs. North Carolina basketball Undetermined date: NCAA Lacrosse Final Four http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/112008dnspofinalfour.1ca859430.html Last time this region hosted the games http://i402.photobucket.com/albums/pp101/brinkwest/Picture2.png Arist November 19th, 2008, 11:40 PM WFAA Video http://www.wfaa.com/video/?nvid=305206&shu=1 BoulderGrad November 20th, 2008, 05:31 AM Video screen is 60 yards, right? Meaning its bigger than the basketball court is showing video for? Holy shit balls... Arist November 20th, 2008, 05:35 AM Another video from Dallas Mourning News. Not Jerry's Best moment, but since he is one step closer to ruling the world, ill let it slide. http://www.dallasnews.com/video/dallasnews/hp/index.html?nvid=305391&shu=1 Arist November 20th, 2008, 07:23 AM Big 12 Release Video. Horrible quality though. http://www.big12sports.com/newMediaPlayer/console.htm?type=vod&oemid=10410&id=351868&DB_MENU_ID=&SPSID=106110&SPID=13134&DB_OEM_ID=10410&CLIP_ID=347204&CLIP_FILE_ID=351868 katanna1 November 21st, 2008, 08:53 AM Video screen is 60 yards, right? Meaning its bigger than the basketball court is showing video for? The center hung scoreboard is 60 yards (180 feet) wide, and a basketball court is 94 feet wide... the screen is nearly TWICE as wide as the court! Matthew Jenstz November 21st, 2008, 03:25 PM http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/img/06-08/0613cowboys450.jpg WOW:cheers: Jim856796 November 22nd, 2008, 11:26 PM Why the heII is the 2010 NBA All-star game being held in this stadium? You should have selected the American Airlines Centre as the venue. No domed stadium except for the Alamodome has ever held an NBA All-Star Game. That would make us think of moving the Dallas Mavericks to the New Texas Stadium (which is impossible since the Mavericks season in this stadium would conflict with the Cowboys' regular season. rantanamo November 23rd, 2008, 03:34 AM Why the heII is the 2010 NBA All-star game being held in this stadium? You should have selected the American Airlines Centre as the venue. No domed stadium except for the Alamodome has ever held an NBA All-Star Game. That would make us think of moving the Dallas Mavericks to the New Texas Stadium (which is impossible since the Mavericks season in this stadium would conflict with the Cowboys' regular season. The NBA All-Star Game has been played at the Pontiac Silverdome, Hoosier(RCA Dome), Kingdome, Astrodome and Alamodome. Mark Cuban(Mavs owner has refused to bid for the game at the AAC since it opened because season ticket holders would be trumped in getting tickets for the game by the NBA. Cuban has been very public and adamant about this. The Mavericks have a 30 years lease at the AAC and I'm pretty sure they like the atmosphere, luxury and sightlines of their own arena. The only reason the game will be at the Cowboys Stadium is because Jerry and Cuban simply want to break attendance records and make more money. Arist November 23rd, 2008, 03:48 AM Why the heII is the 2010 NBA All-star game being held in this stadium? You should have selected the American Airlines Centre as the venue. No domed stadium except for the Alamodome has ever held an NBA All-Star Game. That would make us think of moving the Dallas Mavericks to the New Texas Stadium (which is impossible since the Mavericks season in this stadium would conflict with the Cowboys' regular season. Mark Cuban refuses to hold the game at the AAC because the NBA's bull shit system of giving all the lower seats to over rated movies start and singers and all the hard working Dallas season ticket holders have to sit in the nose bleeds. Im with Mark when i say Fuck That. This stadium allows him to let the NBA kiss the over rated ass of Americas "Celebrities" and let his fan base sit as close as they want. Jim856796 November 23rd, 2008, 07:14 AM Man, frakk this spit, I wanted the game held at the AAC. Mark Cuban sucks @r$e. Arist November 23rd, 2008, 11:09 AM I think we will get a better event at the New Cowboys stadium. TU 'cane November 24th, 2008, 01:29 AM I'm a little worried about those screens. For one I think they're obnoxious and too big for a stadium. For two, I really, really hope they have some of the strongest cables in the world supporting those screens. I would hate to see those fall during an event. Not that it would matter having to be made of some kind of metal and at that height, but I hope they're mostly hollow on the inside and that there isn't much to them. I would like to hope that if they were to fall they won't do much damage and it'll be little to clean up. Arist November 24th, 2008, 02:46 AM has a Basketball cluster fallen? Im sure half the cables being used will be able to hold this. Nothing to worry about on my part. Bobby3 November 24th, 2008, 02:53 AM has a Basketball cluster fallen? Im sure half the cables being used will be able to hold this. Nothing to worry about on my part. Yea, one fell in Charlotte once. Destroyed the floor. Arist November 24th, 2008, 03:17 AM once.... If all the cable stay bridges of the world have stayed in tact for so long. This is of little worry to me. TU 'cane November 24th, 2008, 03:32 AM Well then it's just me. I'm just a little paranoid about it. I know it'll be secure and the cables will be strong enough but it's just the idea of giant screens hanging over my team... I think it's cool but just unnecessary, imo. It'll be all good in the end though. Arist November 24th, 2008, 03:34 AM Ive stood under the cluster in the American airlines Center. It is a weird feeling knowing how much is being suspended above you. But ya, it will be all good and I think the screens could be bigger! but im American Arrogant. Arist November 24th, 2008, 08:50 AM Pegasusnews.com Week 83 Photo Updates North http://media.pegasusnews.com/img/photos/2008/11/23/november23_08_cowboys_stadium.jpg North West http://media.pegasusnews.com/img/photos/2008/11/23/november23_08_02_cowboys_stadium_t450.jpg Arist November 25th, 2008, 05:10 PM Only 9,500 seats left for new Dallas Cowboys stadium BY ANDREA AHLES aahles@star-telegram.com With about nine months until the first kickoff at their new stadium in Arlington, the Dallas Cowboys said Monday that they have fewer than 10,000 seats left to sell in their new home. The team announced that it has sold over 51,500 club and reserved seats, or about 84 percent, out of the 61,000 seats available for season-ticket purchase. All of the remaining available seats have a 30-year personal seat license attached to them, ranging from $4,000 to $150,000. Personal seat licenses give the holder the option to purchase season tickets for those seats each year. The licenses can also be resold. Months ago, the Cowboys sold out of the 10,000 seats that had no licenses and were in the uppermost parts of the bowl. The Cowboys have also sold out of the seats carrying $2,000 licenses and those with $100,000 licenses. "We’ve been very pleased with the way it’s gone to date," team spokesman Brett Daniels said. "We are aware of the economic uncertainty in the marketplace, but the fans view this as a long-term commitment. This is not a one-year decision here; it’s a 20- to 30-year commitment they are making." The team has also sold 240 of 300 suites, which have 20-year leases for $100,000 to $500,000 per year. The remaining suites have annual leases ranging from $150,000 to $350,000. The seats have been on sale for one year. The Cowboys are expected to play their first game at the stadium in August. Capacity is 80,000 when suites and standing-room tickets on the end-zone platforms are included. About 9,000 fans can be accommodated on the platforms, Daniels said. When the team first announced pricing to its current season-ticket holders at Texas Stadium last year, it also created a waiting list where fans could deposit $100 to get the chance to buy seats in the new stadium. Daniels said that about 11,000 were on the waiting list and that all requests have now been satisfied. The team said it will probably roll out a new sales campaign to help sell the remaining tickets after the first of the year. Arist December 1st, 2008, 09:04 PM Pegasusnews.com Week 84 Photo Updates North http://media.pegasusnews.com/img/photos/2008/11/30/november30_08_cowboys_stadium.jpg North West http://media.pegasusnews.com/img/photos/2008/11/30/november30_08_02_cowboys_stadium_t450.jpg Jim856796 December 3rd, 2008, 04:01 AM I think we will get a better event at the New Cowboys stadium. You know what? You just made me hate the New Texas Stadium. The last NBA All-Star Game held in Dallas was in the Reunion Arena and that arena's going to depart this life next year. Arist December 3rd, 2008, 05:27 AM ??? ElDiablo Chili December 3rd, 2008, 10:51 PM Dallas Cowboys' new stadium to feature three separate synthetic turf fields 09:48 PM CST on Tuesday, December 2, 2008 By JEFF MOSIER / The Dallas Morning News jmosier@dallasnews.com ARLINGTON – The Dallas Cowboys haven't booked a soccer game at their new stadium, but they're already planning to buy a removable field for the other "football." The annual Cotton Bowl game will also have its own field with permanent markings separate from the field the Cowboys will use. The new stadium in Arlington will be the only one in the NFL with three separate fields for different sporting events, the turf manufacturer announced Tuesday. "This is the only stadium in the NFL that has the option to have as many different kinds of fields as they want and can change out for every event," said Reed J. Seaton, CEO of Hellas Construction. The Cowboys have purchased two separate football fields and notified Hellas, installer and manufacturer, that they intend to buy a soccer field too. The football fields will roll up into 41 separate 6,000-pound wheels for storage. Each strip of synthetic turf is 15 feet by 172 feet. This is similar to systems in place at the Alamodome in San Antonio, although that stadium has just one field. From the beginning, the Cowboys have said they intended for this $1.1 billion stadium to be a multipurpose venue. It already has a Super Bowl, NBA All-Star Game, college football bowl game and a NCAA men's Final Four basketball tournament scheduled. An application has also been submitted to host the NCAA lacrosse Final Four, and the Cowboys have mentioned that they're interested in hosting World Cup soccer. Mr. Seaton said that swapping out the fields – which takes a little more than 24 hours – allows the Cowboys to customize the surfaces for different sports. The soccer field would probably have less cushioning and shorter synthetic grass blades. On the football fields, the standard markings, such as the Cotton Bowl logo, Cowboys star and boundary lines, won't be painted after the turf is manufactured. The logos and markings will be created by coloring the individual strands of polyethylene yarn that make up the fields. Mr. Seaton said he also believes that removing the field when it's not needed could extend its life. Stadiums that host concerts, tractor pulls and other events usually place plywood or other materials on top of the field to protect the turf. Bruce Hardy, Texas Stadium's manager, said the turf at his venue has been resilient, even when thousands of music fans or tons of trucks weigh down the plywood covering the field. "It doesn't even hurt it," Mr. Hardy said. "We've had Billy Graham for four nights, and we've had rock concerts here. In that case, we put a fireproof tarp over it." Still, Mr. Hardy said he guesses that the new field will be 25 percent to 50 percent better. Both stadiums use Sportfield's RealGrass turf, but the turf in Arlington will be a newer version with 50 percent more fiber ends that mimic grass blades and longer fibers. It will also have more give, like real grass and earth, and also be more uniform throughout the field, Mr. Seaton said. This same brand of turf can also be found at many high school football stadiums, including Colleyville Heritage. Erica Rabhan, a spokeswoman for the Synthetic Turf Council, a nonprofit trade group, said technology and affordability has improved so much that high schools often have professional quality fields. She said a group of Cincinnati Bengals football players visited a local high school that had just installed new turf. "They said, 'Wow. This is better than ours,' " Ms. Rabhan said. Mr. Seaton said the material in the new field will be identical to some high school fields, but the density of the artificial grass strands will be higher. He said there's been an embrace of synthetic turf as it's evolved from the rock-hard AstroTurf blamed for many sports injuries to new designs that better imitate the feel of a grass field. Mr. Hardy said he doesn't see cases of "turf burn" like he did in the early days of artificial turf. "They just keep improving," he said. "Who would have thought they could have improved it from the last time?" BigDA December 4th, 2008, 04:19 AM I really hope that they will have an alternating green (light and dark) every 5 yards, alot like the Oregon Ducks have on their field. That will definately add even more of a uniqueness to a very unique stadium. ElVoltageDR December 4th, 2008, 05:32 AM Wow, I like how they're going to have turf for the "other football":) Arist December 4th, 2008, 07:35 AM Im surprised they have not asked to have a Blue field. Arist December 5th, 2008, 04:51 AM Topping off The New Dallas Cowboy Stadium http://www.dallasnews.com/video/dallasnews/hp/index.html?nvid=310326&shu=1 I love Jerry Jones Quote about what He signed "I'm down to my last nickel because of you" THANK YOU JERRY! Arist December 5th, 2008, 07:08 PM Final pieces falling into place for new Cowboys stadium BY ANDREA AHLES aahles@star-telegram.com The Dallas Cowboys reached two milestones this week with their new home in Arlington: A ceremonial last piece of steel was placed on the stadium, and the team was able to obtain $435 million in financing to help pay for it. At the "topping out" ceremony at the stadium Thursday, Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said that the NFL franchise was able to secure a loan that will enable the team to complete construction on the project. "We are all aware and sensitive about the financial climate that we’re in, and it’s quite a compliment to our project to put a [$435 million] commitment in place in this market," Jones said. "That is not being done in the world of sports or certainly outside the world of sports. We are real pleased to have that done and to have totally completed that refinancing." The team was seeking $350 million loan to replace existing financing. The new financing has a loan capacity of $435 million, but the team has not yet borrowed the full amount. Last year, the team had arranged with Banc of America Securities the issuance of up to $475 million in auction-rate bonds to finance the stadium. The Cowboys had not drawn on the full amount but are looking to refinance those variable-interest-rate bonds under better terms. The new stadium is expected to open early next summer and will host Super Bowl XLV in 2011. Topping out During Thursday’s ceremony, several Cowboys Hall of Famers and local politicians joined Jones in signing a piece of steel that was then lifted into place high above the east end zone plaza. Former players Bob Lilly, Michael Irvin, Emmitt Smith and Rayfield Wright were among those who autographed a part of the stadium. Several of the players expressed amazement when looking out over the partially completed field. "I know when I first walked into Texas Stadium after the Cotton Bowl, I said, 'Wow,’ but this right here is three times the size of Texas Stadium; this is awesome," said Wright, offensive tackle for the Cowboys from 1967 to 1979. Arlington Mayor Robert Cluck and Jones used air horns to signal to construction workers to lift up the autographed steel into place, right next to a fir tree that was sitting on top of the end zone. Jones’ autograph included a little note to his $1.2 billion stadium: "I’m down to my last nickel because of you." Naming rights? The new stadium, set to open in about six months, still does not have a name. Or does it? On Thursday, Jones said that there is one company that the team is in negotiations with to name the stadium. However, due to the recession, Jones said now is not the right time to announce any sort of deal. "The fact that it is not done probably you could address to the recession and the fact that it’s at this stage and we haven’t announced it," Jones said. "It might not be the time for them to be doing a naming rights. We are being sensitive to the economy and, yes, there is someone in particular." Jones did say that a name could possibly be announced in the next few months. Earlier this year, the Star-Telegram obtained a document that showed that the team was in serious negotiations with AT&T Corp. to name the stadium AT&T Field. On Thursday, AT&T announced it will lay off 12,000 workers. Video. http://video.star-telegram.videos.vmixcore.com/vmix_hosted_apps/p/media?id=2471773&f=txfor RobH December 5th, 2008, 08:44 PM I don't know what the rules are on whether it ought to be real turf or not for "soccer". Moscow's Luzhniki Stadium had an artifical surface for the WC qualifiers but they were forced to lay real turf by UEFA for the Champion's League final at the same stadium. I'd imagine for World Cup matches real grass would be required. Anyone know? Arist December 5th, 2008, 08:52 PM I thought some of the recent Euro Cup Games were played on artificial turf. Aka December 5th, 2008, 10:31 PM I'd imagine for World Cup matches real grass would be required. Anyone know? It is. Aka December 5th, 2008, 10:32 PM I thought some of the recent Euro Cup Games were played on artificial turf. They weren't. ElDiablo Chili December 6th, 2008, 12:47 AM I'd imagine for World Cup matches real grass would be required. Anyone know http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/football%5fstadiums%5ftechnical%5frecommendations%5fand%5frequirements%5fen%5f8211.pdf Yess they can play on truff ^^section 4.4 deals speficly with turf Arist December 6th, 2008, 07:54 AM See, i would not doubt they would not allow a turf field to be played on, especially with the way todays new turf is, Its almost as good as grass. Aka December 6th, 2008, 04:59 PM I'd imagine for World Cup matches real grass would be required. Anyone know http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/football%5fstadiums%5ftechnical%5frecommendations%5fand%5frequirements%5fen%5f8211.pdf Yess they can play on truff ^^section 4.4 deals speficly with turf That's for football stadiums in general, not for the FIFA World Cup. go_leafs_go02 December 6th, 2008, 09:29 PM U-18 world cup in canada played on artificial turf, at least in Toronto last summer. Aka December 6th, 2008, 10:03 PM U-18 or U-20? Yes, there are plans to introduce artificial turf in the future. Yet, it's still not the same: football players prefer natural grass. I think turf will be great for countries like Greenland (I'm not joking). go_leafs_go02 December 7th, 2008, 02:38 AM U-18 or U-20? Yes, there are plans to introduce artificial turf in the future. Yet, it's still not the same: football players prefer natural grass. I think turf will be great for countries like Greenland (I'm not joking). my bad..it was U-20. And yes, there were complaints about it from the players. I can't say I blame them. Details December 7th, 2008, 03:13 AM ¡¡¡Jesus Christ!!!... http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3014/3081126592_2c99d244e1_o.jpg flickr©mcclave 05.12.08 http://www.flickr.com/photos/uncle_rich0101/sets/72157610709498715/with/3085091829/ go_leafs_go02 December 7th, 2008, 06:39 AM Is that the jumbotron without the LED panels? if so..then WOW! rantanamo December 7th, 2008, 07:26 AM some of you really assume a lot about World Cup and FIFA regulations. If you read them, there are mostly suggestions and best effort type statements. Arist December 7th, 2008, 11:27 AM The Company that makes the Turf for the Cowboys is the BEST. Quote me, tell your friends, you slide on it and you feel like your sliding on real grass. Take my word, you wont know the difference unless you knew it was not real. And yes, that is what the 2 Super Trons and 2 jumbo trons are going on. flierfy December 7th, 2008, 12:54 PM The Company that makes the Turf for the Cowboys is the BEST. Quote me, tell your friends, you slide on it and you feel like your sliding on real grass. Take my word, you wont know the difference unless you knew it was not real. Do you get paid for promoting their artificial turf? At least you sound as if you do. EPA001 December 7th, 2008, 09:33 PM Are those frames for holding the screens for tinypic.com?? :lol: :lol: :lol: On topic: I would like to see more interior pics since the outside is more or less done. What a fantastic stadium is has become! Arist December 7th, 2008, 10:04 PM Do you get paid for promoting their artificial turf? At least you sound as if you do. No, ive played on the current turf in Texas Stadium and its as good as grass. Up To Date Interior Web Cam http://nvrservice.eplanit.com/ImageService.asmx/GetLiveImage?auth=public&camera=8A3D834B-9ADE-4428-8996-B6E7BDB4BB9F&rnd=87 Refresh your page to re fresh view. JYDA December 7th, 2008, 10:59 PM In Toronto we have the latest generation FIFA 2-star approved FieldTurf which claims to be the best on the planet for soccer..... but it's still $hit. The players absolutely hate it and the team is pushing the city to change to grass. For football there's not much of a difference because it doesn't intrinsically change the way the game is played. Even on the latest generation soccer-specific surfaces it's still not possible to replicate the bounce and speed that grass creates. The ball never settles and creates unpredictable weird bounces. plasticterminator December 8th, 2008, 12:31 AM I don't know what the rules are on whether it ought to be real turf or not for "soccer". Moscow's Luzhniki Stadium had an artifical surface for the WC qualifiers but they were forced to lay real turf by UEFA for the Champion's League final at the same stadium. I'd imagine for World Cup matches real grass would be required. Anyone know? They were not forced by Uefa, the Russian F.A. wanted to use natural grass and thats what they did. It was not a UEFA decision. The only rule in existence states that at any UEFA or FIFA governed championship all surfaces must be the same so that means in effect all natural or all crappy plastic. As for plastic crap being equal to natural turf its the same as big plastic boobs versus big natural boobs. But then Americans have always prefered 'false' over real:lol: in every walk of life. Arist December 8th, 2008, 01:54 AM Boobs are boobs, field is field. KingmanIII December 8th, 2008, 03:57 AM ¡¡¡Jesus Christ!!!... http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3014/3081126592_2c99d244e1_o.jpg Holy shit...:eek2: Benn December 8th, 2008, 04:53 AM About a 9 story high screen, maybe just a little over the top. And I still find it a little odd to have it center hung, fans in the lower level will have a really poor a angle to it, but I suppose it's nice for folks in the upper deck who won't be able to follow to well way back there without it. bing222 December 8th, 2008, 06:19 AM that is one massive scoreboard Arist December 8th, 2008, 06:47 AM Poor fans in the front row wont be able to see the screen as well. Trust me, they wont have a problem, ive been in the front row of arenas and had no problem looking straight up for replays. And Downs, Time and Score will be on the Ring screens that encircle 2 levels of suites. BoulderGrad December 8th, 2008, 06:50 AM Someone posted this picture earlier for how the stadium will look for the final 4: http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/img/11-08/1120finalfour700.jpg The jumbotron will be bigger than the basketball court Arist December 8th, 2008, 07:43 AM That why there is a basketball jumbo tron suspended below it Arist December 8th, 2008, 07:45 AM Pegasusnews.com Week 85 Photo Updates North http://media.pegasusnews.com/img/photos/2008/12/07/december7_08_cowboys_stadium.jpg North West http://media.pegasusnews.com/img/photos/2008/12/07/december7_08_02_cowboys_stadium_t450.jpg plasticterminator December 8th, 2008, 12:59 PM Boobs are boobs, field is field. By the same logic grass is grass and plastic is plastic, so they will never never never never ever be the same why cant you plastic loving boobs get that into your thick plastic robot brains? BigDA December 8th, 2008, 03:53 PM By the same logic grass is grass and plastic is plastic, so they will never never never never ever be the same why cant you plastic loving boobs get that into your thick plastic robot brains? Just because it's grass, doesn't make it better. If you look up the stats in the NFL over the past 5 years or so, I'm sure that you will see that more injuries occur on natural surfaces than on the new Field Turf type surfaces. The majority of players now would rather play on the Field Turf than grass. Especially late in the season when the natural surfaces start to fall apart dramatically. i.e. Pittsburgh. RobH December 8th, 2008, 06:35 PM I'm sure that's true, but the question was brought up in relation to the stadium hosting soccer; for a possible USA World Cup (#889). Not a hugely important issue in the long-life of this stadium really. Arist December 9th, 2008, 12:07 AM NFL Players hit the ground and spend more time on the ground then soccer players do. If it works for hard hitting football players that end a play by dragging someone to the ground, then im sure The Soccer players wont have a problem with sliding and floping on it. ryebreadraz December 9th, 2008, 01:41 AM NFL Players hit the ground and spend more time on the ground then soccer players do. If it works for hard hitting football players that end a play by dragging someone to the ground, then im sure The Soccer players wont have a problem with sliding and floping on it. The issue with soccer is the ball spends nearly all the game on the ground. In football, the ball isn't supposed to be on the ground. Take it from someone who has played on the best grass and turf fields there is to offer, turf sucks for soccer. Grass is far superior and it's not even close. Arist December 9th, 2008, 02:28 AM Have you been on a new turf field? You barley notice a difference. storms991 December 9th, 2008, 04:16 AM Boobs are boobs, field is field. Wrong, that's like saying that polypropylene is the same as polyvinyl chloride, the latter of which would kill you. BigDA December 9th, 2008, 07:47 AM The reason that soccer hasn't played well on artificial surfaces in the past is that the ball rolls way too far, too quickand bounced too high. However the new field turfs aren't that way anymore. And it was stated that the field for soccer in the new stadium was going to be taller and thicker to slow the ball even more. Arist December 9th, 2008, 04:53 PM New Cowboys stadium rolls out the roof BY ANDREA AHLES aahles@star-telegram.com While God can still watch his favorite team through the hole in Texas Stadium, his view inside the new Cowboys stadium in Arlington is going to be obstructed for a while. Workers have slowly closed the two roof panels on the new $1.1 billion stadium for the first time, so remaining connections can be welded into place. "We had to get it closed so it could be finished," said Justin Waldron, project engineer with Uni-Systems, the Minnesota-based company that designed the retractable roof and also developed roofs for Reliant Stadium in Houston and Lucas Oil Stadium in Indianapolis. "It will stay in the closed position for about a week while they finish out those connections. [Structural engineers said] they need all that dead weight in a certain spot." Next up: installing the electrical feed to the rail system for the retractable roof. Waldron said the closing of the roof panels Friday used temporary connections to power the 64 motors on each panel. Each panel rolls on 24-inch steel wheels on a rack-and-pinion drive system. After it is installed, it will take 12 minutes to open or close the panels. "It doesn’t take that much horsepower to move a lot of weight as long as you’re moving it slowly," Waldron said. By the numbers 12 minutes are needed to open or close the roof panels. 64 motors, with 7.5 horsepower, move each roof panel. 90 percent of the roof mechanization was designed and built in the U.S. 215 feet is the total distance traveled by each panel. Source: Uni-Systems f.e.s.b.r. December 9th, 2008, 09:04 PM so gorgeous.. as the cheerleaders TU 'cane December 10th, 2008, 02:22 AM Wow, I was hoping by now they would have figured out a quicker way or mechanism to close and open the roof faster. 12 minutes is a long time, just think about it. ryebreadraz December 10th, 2008, 02:48 AM The reason that soccer hasn't played well on artificial surfaces in the past is that the ball rolls way too far, too quickand bounced too high. However the new field turfs aren't that way anymore. And it was stated that the field for soccer in the new stadium was going to be taller and thicker to slow the ball even more. I've played on the newest FieldTurf available and while improved, it's still not very good for soccer. The turf companies and those who benefit from the lower costs of turf can tell us whatever they'd like, few that have played on turf find it comparable to good grass. Arist December 10th, 2008, 06:18 AM Wow, I was hoping by now they would have figured out a quicker way or mechanism to close and open the roof faster. 12 minutes is a long time, just think about it. Used to be an hour with the Rogers center, 12 minutes is fast. with a Multi tun roof on a slant. plasticterminator December 10th, 2008, 10:22 AM worse stadium i ever saw in my life. BigDA December 10th, 2008, 12:46 PM worse stadium i ever saw in my life. And you probably think that The Great Wall of China is a terrible wall, The Pyramids are bad tombs, and the Mississippi River is just a big creek. plasticterminator December 10th, 2008, 05:01 PM And you probably think that The Great Wall of China is a terrible wall, The Pyramids are bad tombs, and the Mississippi River is just a big creek. I have no idea about those places i can only pass comment on my area of expertise.:banana: Arist December 10th, 2008, 08:06 PM What area is that? Please enlighten us STADIUM EXPERT. What do you consider a GREAT stadium? ccfc-4-life December 11th, 2008, 12:47 AM great stadium:) king1010 December 11th, 2008, 01:47 AM Used to be an hour with the Rogers center, 12 minutes is fast. with a Multi tun roof on a slant. rogers centre takes 20 minutes to open or close... definately not an hour katanna1 December 11th, 2008, 04:53 AM Wow, I was hoping by now they would have figured out a quicker way or mechanism to close and open the roof faster. 12 minutes is a long time, just think about it. Why does it need to move faster? Outside of the "Wow, that's cool" factor there is no reason for it to move faster. Matthew BuffaloHoya December 11th, 2008, 04:54 AM I think this is a great stadium. Few metro areas are large enough (with the ability to attract a wide array of events) to build such a grand stadium on such a massive scale, but Dallas is one of them. And they did it right. As for grass vs. FieldTurf, I've played on both extensively. Grass is easier on the joints, more forgiving when you come crashing down... in most ways it is superior to the artificial stuff, even the modern iterations (unless you're playing on the frozen stuff in Green Bay in January!!). Dallas could easily grow a fantastic field year round, but seeing as how the team and Arlington are aiming to use the facility as a 365-days a year attraction, I can't say I blame them for going the fake route. rantanamo December 11th, 2008, 05:14 AM I think this is a great stadium. Few metro areas are large enough (with the ability to attract a wide array of events) to build such a grand stadium on such a massive scale, but Dallas is one of them. And they did it right. As for grass vs. FieldTurf, I've played on both extensively. Grass is easier on the joints, more forgiving when you come crashing down... in most ways it is superior to the artificial stuff, even the modern iterations (unless you're playing on the frozen stuff in Green Bay in January!!). Dallas could easily grow a fantastic field year round, but seeing as how the team and Arlington are aiming to use the facility as a 365-days a year attraction, I can't say I blame them for going the fake route. growing grass 365 in Dallas is not a possibility. Plus as we've seen in other venues with large roof coverage, sunlight is another problem. Even with a rolling field, you ostill have a weather problem. JYDA December 11th, 2008, 05:16 AM I think this is a great stadium. Few metro areas are large enough (with the ability to attract a wide array of events) to build such a grand stadium on such a massive scale, but Dallas is one of them. And they did it right. As for grass vs. FieldTurf, I've played on both extensively. Grass is easier on the joints, more forgiving when you come crashing down... in most ways it is superior to the artificial stuff, even the modern iterations (unless you're playing on the frozen stuff in Green Bay in January!!). Dallas could easily grow a fantastic field year round, but seeing as how the team and Arlington are aiming to use the facility as a 365-days a year attraction, I can't say I blame them for going the fake route. That's solvable. At the University of Phoenix stadium they solved that by having the grass field on a conveyor belt that can be moved in and out of the stadium. At Reliant Stadium the grass is like an NBA court in that it's a bunch of square pieces that can be removed. Arist December 11th, 2008, 06:35 AM wasn't it an hour like 10 years ago? rantanamo December 11th, 2008, 07:24 AM That's solvable. At the University of Phoenix stadium they solved that by having the grass field on a conveyor belt that can be moved in and out of the stadium. At Reliant Stadium the grass is like an NBA court in that it's a bunch of square pieces that can be removed. Dallas weather is nothing like Phoenix. Heck, we just had snow flurries yesterday and it will be in the 20s overnight. Same thing with Houston, where its a bit warmer and they've been complaining about the square system late in the seasons. You can grow grass, but if a lot of football and other events are going to happen there, artificial is the way to go. Arist December 11th, 2008, 08:27 AM U tell them Rantanamo. plasticterminator December 11th, 2008, 02:31 PM 'growing grass 365 in Dallas is not a possibility. Plus as we've seen in other venues with large roof coverage, sunlight is another problem. Even with a rolling field, you ostill have a weather problem' Lots of misinformed comments regarding grass. What qualifies you to have this opinion? BuffaloHoya December 11th, 2008, 04:44 PM If they can maintain grass fields in Denver, Pittsburgh, New England for many years, Cleveland... they could do it much easier in Dallas. Look, I'm not saying it would be like Tampa or Miami... but it is 100% doable. But like I acknowledged in my original post, the fact they are NOT aiming for a retractable field and the fact the venue will be used for more than just football and the field area will be trampled on constantly, I think artificial is probably the way to go. Arist December 11th, 2008, 09:16 PM IT IS NOT POSSIBLE INSIDE A DOME. And they dont want real grass, real grass falls apart after all the rolling up over and over and over again and that will happen because this stadium will be used for more then what grass is needed for. Rolling down new grass every week is a bull shit plan if i ever heard one, its cost to much to maintain, to re-paint and you have to buy new fields every year, a New supper tech field turf that is pre colored to your logos and signs is better, smarter and cost efficient. Also the can grow grass in Denver, Pitt, NE and Cleveland because those stadium dont have one of the worlds largest roofs covering it! And watch the games this weekend and look at how ugly the fields get this late in the season, all yellow and torn up, players cant get a grip, Im surprised they arnt using turf. nrrh December 12th, 2008, 01:46 AM I don't get down that way as much as I used to so it's been a while since I got to take some new pics. There is a massive amount of work being done on Johnson Creek south of Randol Mill Road including a bridge over the creek to extend the road just south of the stadium to Nolan Ryan Pkwy. The parking lots at the southwest corner of Nolan Ryan and Randol Mill have also been torn up. Any idea if they're just redoing those or is the hotel that is supposed to be built there actually going ahead? http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3114/3101620576_950f314a67.jpg (http://flickr.com/photos/nrrh/3101620576/) You can clearly see the massive doors being installed. http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3280/3100781985_e4a1734a7f.jpg (http://flickr.com/photos/nrrh/3100781985/) http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3053/3100782667_4ece536e72.jpg (http://flickr.com/photos/nrrh/3100782667/) http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3195/3100782999_1b00d3b500.jpg (http://flickr.com/photos/nrrh/3100782999/) http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3040/3101621868_099d3c201a.jpg (http://flickr.com/photos/nrrh/3101621868/) http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3207/3100783245_4a5083ac9b.jpg (http://flickr.com/photos/nrrh/3100783245/) rantanamo December 12th, 2008, 04:51 AM If they can maintain grass fields in Denver, Pittsburgh, New England for many years, Cleveland... they could do it much easier in Dallas. Look, I'm not saying it would be like Tampa or Miami... but it is 100% doable. But like I acknowledged in my original post, the fact they are NOT aiming for a retractable field and the fact the venue will be used for more than just football and the field area will be trampled on constantly, I think artificial is probably the way to go. - Denver's Field is a hybrid of real and synthetic grass. You can easily see the dead real grass between the synthetic strands - Pittsburgh has the worst field in the NFL right now. Many have been calling for them to go artificial since Heinz opened. - Cleveland is already talking artificial. - New England is artificial. Started out as grass, but was impossible to maintain and what qualifies me to have this opinion? Just years of watching sports. When I say large roof covering, I'm not talking about your typical English football ground. I'm talking mainly retractables. Then you have the added stress that football puts on grass. Look at what the NFL games at Wembley have done to that field twice now. Even at Minute Maid Park in Houston they are having to put in a special new grass this offseason. Retractables are simply tough on grass. Add winter, add football and add the versatility that this place is looking for. Grass would be simply ridiculous in this case. and I know its hard because I live in DFW. I know that its a hard deal to keep the Cotton Bowl surface up in the winter. Arist December 12th, 2008, 05:08 AM And The Cotton Bowl Field will be half dead when the cotton bowl is played on it this new years. artificial is just better. BigDA December 12th, 2008, 05:36 AM Plain and simple, let the skills of the players and coaches determine who wins the game, not the surface or officials. Let the skills of the players and coaches determine who wins the championship, not some stupid fat sportswriter. Do you hear that BCS (Bull Crap System)? BigDA December 12th, 2008, 06:26 AM This article out of the Dallas Morning news should shut up anymore discussion about Natural or Artificial surfaces in the new Texas Stadium. High schools could turn to Dallas Cowboys' new home 08:00 PM CST on Thursday, December 11, 2008 By KEITH WHITMIRE / The Dallas Morning News kwhitmire@dallasnews.com It will probably be the end of an era Saturday night, when the final seconds tick off in the Denton Guyer-Longview 4A state semifinal. It could be the final high school football game at Texas Stadium. The Dallas Cowboys have the stadium booked next Saturday, although a high school game could be played the night before. "I'd probably say 90 percent this is going to be the last weekend," stadium general manager Bruce Hardy said. "It's going to be tough. To sit here and to think of all the coaches and all the athletic directors I've come in contact with ..." It's going to be tougher to replace Texas Stadium as a playoff venue, if not in prestige, then in sheer volume. By Saturday night, Texas Stadium will have hosted 27 playoff games in a five-week span. The good news is the Cowboys say they intend to host high school games at the new stadium in Arlington. Although nothing has been set, the Cowboys and owner Jerry Jones plan to continue the tradition of letting high school athletes play in the same facility as NFL superstars. "I think we anticipate continuing to do that, but it's still something we're working through from our side from an operational perspective," Cowboys spokesman Brett Daniels said. "The details haven't been ironed out, but the commitment is still there." There has been some concern that the new stadium could be too expensive to host high school games. Daniels and Hardy shot down that theory. "Having the high school games at Texas Stadium hasn't been about the revenues side of it," Daniels said. "It's about giving high school athletes the opportunity to live the dream of playing at Texas Stadium." Affordability is one reason why Texas Stadium has remained such a popular playoff destination for high schools. "You don't get rich on $500 rent," Hardy said. "It's about young people." Logistically, the new stadium could be a different animal, but Hardy said he hasn't heard a negative word from area coaches and athletic directors about playing in Arlington. The UIL seems interested in playing its 5A state title games next year at the new stadium. The 5A games are at Houston's Reliant Stadium this year, but next year's site has not been determined. "We intend to take our state championships to Dallas, depending on whether or not their NFL schedule allows for it," UIL spokesperson Kim Rogers said. Playing high school games at the Cowboys' home is important, if only because there aren't a lot of large venues available in the immediate area. Two years ago, the Southlake Carroll-Euless Trinity playoff game drew 46,339 – and that was when they stopped counting tickets at halftime. The Cotton Bowl has been out of the high school football business for years. Its grass surface is a turnoff to most coaches because of the tricky weather in November and December. TCU's Amon Carter Stadium also has a grass surface. SMU hopes to make Ford Stadium more of an option for high school games. It hosted one playoff game this year and had more lined up, but the teams that booked the stadium didn't advance. Ford Stadium also hosted the Tom Landry Classic doubleheader at the start of the season. Because it's on a college campus surrounded by a neighborhood, SMU couldn't host the volume of games Texas Stadium could. But Ford Stadium's 32,000-seat capacity, artificial turf and new facilities should make it a bigger player. "We're trying to get the word out to make it a viable situation for all the area schools," said Tam Hollingshead, SMU's director of high school relations. "We think we could easily accommodate a game on Friday night and two on Saturday." Once the details with the new Cowboys stadium are completed, it hopefully will not be the end of an era for high school football but the start of a new one. Hardy recently hosted a dinner for Texas Stadium's high school clients as a sort of farewell tribute. Nearly 100 area coaches and administrators gathered for a picture on the star at the 50-yard line. "I think that we've done a good job with high schools," Hardy said. "And they know we care." That is why there is no way that the new Texas Stadium could ever hope to have grass and why it is 100% NOT doable. canallon91 December 12th, 2008, 09:35 AM any new pics from the inside? plasticterminator December 12th, 2008, 01:35 PM So in summary what you are saying is americans cannot grow grass at any level and because they are useless at this all sportsfields should be replaced with a plastic carpet. I would tend to agree with the first part and it just confirms my opinion that american sports technology is years behind that in europe and asia even. GOOD LUCK:wave: Arist December 12th, 2008, 05:11 PM No, Football is to ruff for real grass to be grown year round. By the end of the season you are left with a horrible surface. BuffaloHoya December 12th, 2008, 05:18 PM No, Football is to ruff for real grass to be grown year round. By the end of the season you are left with a horrible surface. That isn't true at all if you live in a climate where grass can grow year round (Miami, Tampa, Arizona, San Diego, etc). But Artist is right... unless the Cowboys were to introduce a retractable FIELD to the mix, they HAVE to use an artificial surface because of the number and type of events other than the 10 Cowboys games that will be held at the new stadium every year. And to get back to our discussion, Artist, my point wasn't that the 'boys SHOULD use a grass field, just that if they so chose it would be do-able. That's all. Look what I wrote in my SECOND post: "But like I acknowledged in my original post, the fact they are NOT aiming for a retractable field and the fact the venue will be used for more than just football and the field area will be trampled on constantly, I think artificial is probably the way to go." Trust me... we are in agreement on the need for artificial turf here. I was merely pointing out that if Dallas wanted to use grass, it was completely do-able (they could have engineered a retractable field at the one end where the outdoor plaza will sit, for instance). BuffaloHoya December 12th, 2008, 05:20 PM To get away from the pointless grass vs. turf debate, does anyone have any facts and figures on the new stadium layout? Specifically, how many seats are in the lower bowl, that second section at the top of the lower bowl, club level, upper deck, how many SEATS the 200-300 or so suites are likely to encompass, etc? Arist December 12th, 2008, 05:32 PM ummmm... I would wait till completion for the exact seat manifest. BuffaloHoya December 12th, 2008, 05:59 PM ummmm... I would wait till completion for the exact seat manifest. No estimates? I know they are estimating 15k club seats... nrrh December 12th, 2008, 08:01 PM The best info so far:http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/cowboysstadium/stories/120308dnmetcowboysturf.2480de09.html The stadium's 80,000-seat capacity comes from the 61,000 reserved, club and loge seats as well as suites and standing-room-only tickets in the end zones. Temporary seats and additional standing-room-only tickets in the end zones could boost that to at least 100,000. BuffaloHoya December 15th, 2008, 04:41 AM Thanks, nrrh. Guess that means the 300 or so suites plus standing room will somehow equal 19,000. Arist December 16th, 2008, 12:29 AM Pegasusnews.com Week 86 Photo Updates North http://media.pegasusnews.com/img/photos/2008/12/14/december14_08_cowboys_stadium.jpg North West http://media.pegasusnews.com/img/photos/2008/12/14/december14_08_02_cowboys_stadium_t450.jpg TU 'cane December 16th, 2008, 08:48 PM Absoultely beautfitul. koolio December 17th, 2008, 01:24 AM So shiny!!! JimB December 17th, 2008, 01:32 AM Arist - I'm not such a fan of these regular camera angles. Anywhere else we can see better pictures? Any internal shots? Because these pics don't do this awesome stadium justice. Arist December 17th, 2008, 02:06 AM I get those off a web news paper photo shots taken from the same spot every week so you can see the progress from week one to today. The web cams can give you internal views and external views External http://www.eplanit.com/live-construction-camera.aspx Internal http://www.eplanit.com/live-construction-camera2.aspx Arist December 17th, 2008, 04:16 AM GO TO THE INTERIOR WAB CAM TO SEE THE HOUSING FOR THE WORLDS LARGEST VIDEO SCREENS HANGING ABOUT 60 FEET OFF THE GROUND. WOW JimB December 17th, 2008, 01:24 PM Thanks. Much better! plasma169 December 17th, 2008, 02:30 PM This is the best stadium in the world! Arist December 18th, 2008, 04:57 AM VIDEO OF THE SCORE BOARD GOING UP http://video.star-telegram.videos.vmixcore.com/vmix_hosted_apps/p/media?id=2541273&f=txfor By the numbers 450 tons: Weight of the scoreboard frame 4: Jacks, each with a 400-ton capacity, that will be used to lift the frame into place 90 feet: Planned distance from the field to the scoreboard above 3 inches: Distance the scoreboard was lifted off its supports by 4 p.m. Tuesday Go the the web cam, coolest thing i have ever seen GNU December 19th, 2008, 05:07 PM That is quite a sizeable scoreboard. ElDiablo Chili December 19th, 2008, 05:38 PM The is a time lapse video of the scorboard jacking on the dallas morning news web site http://www.dallasnews.com/video/dallasnews/hp/index.html?nvid=314730&shu=1 thomasKing December 19th, 2008, 06:41 PM - Denver's Field is a hybrid of real and synthetic grass. You can easily see the dead real grass between the synthetic strands - Pittsburgh has the worst field in the NFL right now. Many have been calling for them to go artificial since Heinz opened. - Cleveland is already talking artificial. - New England is artificial. Started out as grass, but was impossible to maintain and what qualifies me to have this opinion? Just years of watching sports. When I say large roof covering, I'm not talking about your typical English football ground. I'm talking mainly retractables. Then you have the added stress that football puts on grass. Look at what the NFL games at Wembley have done to that field twice now. Even at Minute Maid Park in Houston they are having to put in a special new grass this offseason. Retractables are simply tough on grass. Add winter, add football and add the versatility that this place is looking for. Grass would be simply ridiculous in this case. and I know its hard because I live in DFW. I know that its a hard deal to keep the Cotton Bowl surface up in the winter. The technology is there now to maintain proper grass fields in stadiums with large covered stands as proven by Arsenal´s Emirates stadium, which is the one new stadium. where all new knowledge is exploited. it works because -there is a gap from the back of the top tier and up to the roof above -the pitch is seeded and grown inside the stadium. -the grass is "sewn", (as in Denver) meaning the soil is filled with artificial grass that the roots can grow around. Its still a grass field in every sense. - artificial solar rigs are regularly rolled out. Forget about Wembley. It has the worst surface in english football. They need to re-think everything. Its nothing to do with the NFL-game. a one-off rugby match was played there shortly after the NFL game, which ended in injuries and possible lawsuits because of the disgraceful field. If the NFL had any sense they moved their London game to Twickenham. with 82,000 seats its only a loss of 8,000. one of the NFL-teams actually trained at Arsenal´s training facility and it was widely considered it the finest surface they had ever played on. It may well be that Dallas dont need grass but it isnt true that it cant work. European football have flirted with the fake stuff but it has generally been rejected. Arist December 20th, 2008, 05:59 AM yayaya, we are over that argument and no one cares anymore. rantanamo December 20th, 2008, 08:07 AM The technology is there now to maintain proper grass fields in stadiums with large covered stands as proven by Arsenal´s Emirates stadium, which is the one new stadium. where all new knowledge is exploited. it works because -there is a gap from the back of the top tier and up to the roof above -the pitch is seeded and grown inside the stadium. -the grass is "sewn", (as in Denver) meaning the soil is filled with artificial grass that the roots can grow around. Its still a grass field in every sense. - artificial solar rigs are regularly rolled out. Forget about Wembley. It has the worst surface in english football. They need to re-think everything. Its nothing to do with the NFL-game. a one-off rugby match was played there shortly after the NFL game, which ended in injuries and possible lawsuits because of the disgraceful field. If the NFL had any sense they moved their London game to Twickenham. with 82,000 seats its only a loss of 8,000. one of the NFL-teams actually trained at Arsenal´s training facility and it was widely considered it the finest surface they had ever played on. It may well be that Dallas dont need grass but it isnt true that it cant work. European football have flirted with the fake stuff but it has generally been rejected. There's no way they'd allow this stadium to have a natural surface. They have been bragging all week how they will lease it cheap to continue the quadruple header high school games they have every year during the playoff. Sorry, no grass. vij December 20th, 2008, 02:00 PM i dont understand, why didnt they mount the screens first and then pulled it up? wouldnt be that easier? Arist December 20th, 2008, 05:31 PM I have no idea. I think they probably need the field space for other construction. Details December 21st, 2008, 03:26 AM http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3028/3067604886_f8b3dae286_b.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3207/3066684203_c4f1a21995_b.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3285/3067524796_f3c9061365_b.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3035/3066685713_c575204083_b.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3193/3067656924_8334545e86_b.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3161/3066816795_02f29e4e1e_b.jpg http://www.flickr.com/photos/mathewbusby/sets/72157610336333583/with/3066689347/ BigDA December 21st, 2008, 11:36 AM Just think, the next Cowboys home game will be in this place. Can't wait. GNU December 21st, 2008, 02:21 PM great pictures, thx berkshire royal December 21st, 2008, 06:59 PM Looking good, must say though it doesn't look 80,000 too many tiers and boxes. When will it be finished? TU 'cane December 21st, 2008, 07:28 PM I didn't realize how many suites there were. It's a little ridiculous now that I see them. 3 levels of suites? That's practically all you see. But, that's where Jerry makes all his money. RobH December 21st, 2008, 08:28 PM Amazing. And it looks like the toffs will be happy! www.sercan.de December 22nd, 2008, 12:19 PM I didn't realize how many suites there were. It's a little ridiculous now that I see them. 3 levels of suites? That's practically all you see. But, that's where Jerry makes all his money. Actually its 6 http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/4997/dallasvr7.jpg massp88 December 22nd, 2008, 07:23 PM I didn't realize how many suites there were. It's a little ridiculous now that I see them. 3 levels of suites? That's practically all you see. But, that's where Jerry makes all his money. There are suites everywhere you look and at every level. It looks terrible. Reminds me of the Staples Center with their 3 levels of boxes. I don't understand how those field boxes are going to work (ones along the sidelines). How will people in them be able to see over the players, coaches, photographers, etc. TXSkyWatcher December 22nd, 2008, 07:47 PM I think the field level boxes will attract the sideline junkies quite well...there's a lot of them out there. As for the 6 levels of boxes, we'll see how that plays out in this economy, but if things were as they were two years ago, they'd all sell out in a hurry. Speaking of selling out, does anyone know how many are sold? KingmanIII December 22nd, 2008, 08:33 PM There are suites everywhere you look and at every level. It looks terrible. Reminds me of the Staples Center with their 3 levels of boxes. I don't understand how those field boxes are going to work (ones along the sidelines). How will people in them be able to see over the players, coaches, photographers, etc. It's even worse than Staples, because the three levels of suites rest on top of a split lower tier and a club tier; the Cowboys should give away complimentary pairs of binoculars to anyone sitting in the upper tier of this stadium. massp88 December 22nd, 2008, 09:34 PM It's even worse than Staples, because the three levels of suites rest on top of a split lower tier and a club tier; the Cowboys should give away complimentary pairs of binoculars to anyone sitting in the upper tier of this stadium. Another feature I don't like is the entrances to the seating sections. You have the closed off entrances in most of the sections. I like how stadiums like Gillette and Reliant have a wide open entrance. That way you can get up and stretch your legs and still watch the action or you can even see it while waiting in line for a beer or something. Arist December 23rd, 2008, 02:07 AM Actually its 6 http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/4997/dallasvr7.jpg Actually its 5 There are suites everywhere you look and at every level. It looks terrible. Reminds me of the Staples Center with their 3 levels of boxes. I don't understand how those field boxes are going to work (ones along the sidelines). How will people in them be able to see over the players, coaches, photographers, etc. the Field Boxes have seats above them in the stands that they can access It's even worse than Staples, because the three levels of suites rest on top of a split lower tier and a club tier; the Cowboys should give away complimentary pairs of binoculars to anyone sitting in the upper tier of this stadium. The Tiers over lap to bring them in closer, the highest seat is better then the highest in most other stadiums. If you look at the internal web cam, you sill see that the view is not bad at all. schulzte December 23rd, 2008, 02:23 AM What a gaudy monstrosity. They must have got some green cards to bring in some Sherpa guides to be ushers in the upper balcony. http://www.stadiumdrawings.blogspot.com TXSkyWatcher December 23rd, 2008, 03:51 AM Actually its 5 I counted six as well....is there somewhere in print that says 5? In the pic he referenced you can clearly see six. TU 'cane December 23rd, 2008, 05:18 AM Alright I see six levels of suites. My point is though it's too much. Yea sure that's where you can make some real nice pocket change (in terms of JJ) but as said with the economy and all, I don't find it very convenient. You'll sell more with regular seats and it looks bad. I was looking at how wonderful this stadium is going to look but when I saw the three levels right on top of eachother it was a big turn off. I don't like that. Benn December 23rd, 2008, 07:36 AM The Tiers over lap to bring them in closer, the highest seat is better then the highest in most other stadiums. If you look at the internal web cam, you sill see that the view is not bad at all. That would be true if there was a substantial overhang, which there is not. The third level cantilevers a few rows, but not much, same with the 4th level. Soldier Field has a lot of cantilever, the Superdome, Giants Stadium and Arrowhead have a lot of cantilever. These seating bowls are close in for a stucture of that sort of size, this is a monster with the furthest back row in the league, Jerry can say what he wants, but that doesn't make it true. The truth of the matter is the sightlines are great and it has all the features, but an upper level with some of the worst field proximity on the planet (and the real fans are going to priced out of anything near the field). The upper deck here starts about where the upper deck at Texas stadium ends. And Texas stadium doesn't quite have the closest seating bowl in the league. Oddly enough in the 80,000 seat department Giants Stadium has the closest upper level, and of course they are tearing it down for something with more suites and club seats, and the same pricing structure that is going to wreck the gameday atmosphere. Arist December 23rd, 2008, 09:15 AM I counted six as well....is there somewhere in print that says 5? In the pic he referenced you can clearly see six. Its in PRINT.. I think everyone is mistaking that over lap between the 2nd and 3rd tiers right bellow the 3 layer of suites for a level of suites. Its not. This gap allows people on ground level walking along the main concourse to view down into the lower bowl with no obstruction. from the Stadium Web Site The new stadium will have eight different suite locations on five separate levels. The Cowboys have decentralized the suite sections and positioned them at different areas throughout the stadium, rather than all suites on one level. This gives the team great flexibility in personalizing and designing a suite to everyone’s individual desires. With the new stadium, there are suites on the field-level sideline and field-level end zones, and suites on higher levels for a different vantage point. Just up from the field level suites will be our Hall of Fame suites. All of the suites will also have access to club areas. the Spots I think everyone is miss interpreting as another level of suites is the club areas. again, from the Stadium Web Site Unlike Texas Stadium where the premium seating is confined to the suites, the new stadium will feature club seating on multiple levels. There will be 15,000 of these premium seats in the stadium. Fans sitting in these sections will also have access to the Main Concourse and Silver Level clubs where full food and bar services will be provided. These expansive clubs not only will enhance the game-day experience, but also be available for private functions throughout the year. The two Main Concourse clubs are each 59,000 square feet and the two Silver Level clubs each are 39,000 square feet. The sideline club at field level will be unique not only in its location behind the team benches, but also because the teams will run through them on their way to the field. http://stadium.dallascowboys.com/ So, to reiterate.... http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a110/Dallasbrink/3067604886_f8b3dae286_bcopy.jpg bing222 December 23rd, 2008, 10:12 AM Great photos rantanamo December 23rd, 2008, 10:21 AM The suites sold out months ago, prompting them to add more. According to Jerry there is still room to add more if they feel it necesary to do so in the future. www.sercan.de December 23rd, 2008, 12:08 PM Gret work Artist and thank you I think we will need this pics in some weeks (I see 6 levels etc :) ) Will add the pic as a link to the 1st post |