nope. they nixed that plan because both screens point at apartment complexes and would create to much excessive light at night.

looks like they will use temporary screens in the outdoor plazas on gameday. The plans for the outdoor video was much more elaborate than just the built on screens initially. Apparently Arlington nixed the idea of having the exterior on both sides being covered in even larger LED screens.

they should get a media mesh screen for the end zone doors like what the American airlines Arena in Miami has...

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You can see through it!


On second thought... LETS JUST LINE ALL THE GLASS ON THE STADIUM WITH THIS!

93K is what they put on the bid application. I'm guessing they really don't know yet, but know they can get 100K plus for field events. The endzone plazas will indeed have temporary stands for the Superbowl if demand exceeds 86,000. They haven't even set the regular season capacity at a set number. They just know they put down 76,000 seats initially and there is easily space to go as high as 86,000 with just seats in the proper bowl. They haven't even reported their blackout number which they think will actually be north of 80,000. This is all per people who have been on the tour.


it wil still pisses me of that superbowl will not get a magical 100 000 something attendance ... 93 000 simply doesn't sound nearly as awesome... :ohno:

93,000 is the guess. They wont know how many seats they can truly squeeze in here till they push al the rail seats together and put in the extra end zone bleachers.

93,000 is the guess. They wont know how many seats they can truly squeeze in here till they push al the rail seats together and put in the extra end zone bleachers.


ok nice i really hope they go for the true 100 000 + if they can .. ganis dont you agree that a superbowl with an attendance of 100 000 something would just be soooo sweet ? :cheers:

The 100,000 number came after the bid was formed, when it was known what they could fit. They now know they can get 86,000 within the seating bowl without adding risers. Leaving 14,000 seats to 6 possible temp riser sections. Easily done. Just depends if they want to use temp risers or not.

nope. they nixed that plan because both screens point at apartment complexes and would create to much excessive light at night.
So now they're just two big blank screens ruining the continuity of the glass façade? Ugh.

They need to go ahead and put up the two screens anyway. And then turn them off at night, except during a night game.

So now they're just two big blank screens ruining the continuity of the glass façade? Ugh.

I imagine they'll put up large posters the way other stadiums do

The 100,000 number came after the bid was formed, when it was known what they could fit. They now know they can get 86,000 within the seating bowl without adding risers. Leaving 14,000 seats to 6 possible temp riser sections. Easily done. Just depends if they want to use temp risers or not.


nice! yeah each endzone should eazily take 7000 temp seats ... peferably 7500 to be on the safe side of the 100 000 number ;) but for some reason i still dont think the will have 100 000 + seats for the super bowl .. sounds to awesome not to be ruined by some party pooper .. :ohno:

any pictures

They need to go ahead and put up the two screens anyway. And then turn them off at night, except during a night game.
They need to buy out the apartment owners.

Surely the outside screens can still be used during games and turned off the rest of the time, the stadium hasn't exactly looked at ways of cost cutting.

I saw somewhere that the price tag was an issue .too much light is a bad excuse since the whole thing is friggin lit up at night.

According to the Star Telegraph they are just going to be sign boards and not video screens. Hope it's something funky like this

http://www.gridironstadiumnetwork.net/i/pic01_phi.jpg

I saw somewhere that the price tag was an issue .too much light is a bad excuse since the whole thing is friggin lit up at night.

Nope , it was announced very early in the process. The orientation of them drew lots of concern.

Any new pictures? And I thought the screens outside were for video purposes. In other words so tailgaters could watch the game in the parking lot.

tailgaters will never be able to tailgate that close.

If Jerry Jones wanted to show the game outside on gamedays whilst not affecting neighbors, why couldnt he either just turn off the side jumbotrons during non-event days (like staples centre, etihad arena) or he could create a grassed overflow section like they have in Sydney Olympic Park, this has proved to be very successful in giving fans a good safe place to watch the game if they couldnt get ticets, also in Sydneys case; live music is also played before and after the game and is free for all who come, however, I know "THIS IS TEXAS" so why couldnt Jones still show the game outside using this method and still pocket money from doing so (his favourite pastime)

If Jerry Jones wanted to show the game outside on gamedays whilst not affecting neighbors, why couldnt he either just turn off the side jumbotrons during non-event days (like staples centre, etihad arena) or he could create a grassed overflow section like they have in Sydney Olympic Park, this has proved to be very successful in giving fans a good safe place to watch the game if they couldnt get ticets, also in Sydneys case; live music is also played before and after the game and is free for all who come, however, I know "THIS IS TEXAS" so why couldnt Jones still show the game outside using this method and still pocket money from doing so (his favourite pastime)
So you're saying build an artificial hill or berm to block the glare of the screens from the apartments whilst providing a place for people to watch events? That sounds like a good idea!

If Jerry Jones wanted to show the game outside on gamedays whilst not affecting neighbors, why couldnt he either just turn off the side jumbotrons during non-event days (like staples centre, etihad arena) or he could create a grassed overflow section like they have in Sydney Olympic Park, this has proved to be very successful in giving fans a good safe place to watch the game if they couldnt get ticets, also in Sydneys case; live music is also played before and after the game and is free for all who come, however, I know "THIS IS TEXAS" so why couldnt Jones still show the game outside using this method and still pocket money from doing so (his favourite pastime)

I don't believe showing a game will happen. I don't think that was the main purpose for those video screens. It was for only to show fans waiting to get in or tailgating the pre-game and advertising. I pretty sure it is illegal (in the NFL) for any team to show a live game for nonpaying customers. I'm from Indiana, and during the 06' seasons when the Colts went to the SB, a church was going to have a get together (a safe and fun place to watch the big game), but the NFL got wind of it and put a stop to it.

well the artificial hill could also be dug out and the screen would face the opposite direction from the apartments, also i dont see how it would be illigal because they could charge an official entrance fee to enter "the overflow"

I don't believe showing a game will happen. I don't think that was the main purpose for those video screens. It was for only to show fans waiting to get in or tailgating the pre-game and advertising. I pretty sure it is illegal (in the NFL) for any team to show a live game for nonpaying customers. I'm from Indiana, and during the 06' seasons when the Colts went to the SB, a church was going to have a get together (a safe and fun place to watch the big game), but the NFL got wind of it and put a stop to it.

Actually that was the purpose, and they say they plan to put temp screens like you see at races in the outdoor endzone plazas for some games/events.

Its illegal for non-NFL groups to show the games to certain group sizes.

I don't believe showing a game will happen. I don't think that was the main purpose for those video screens. It was for only to show fans waiting to get in or tailgating the pre-game and advertising. I pretty sure it is illegal (in the NFL) for any team to show a live game for nonpaying customers. I'm from Indiana, and during the 06' seasons when the Colts went to the SB, a church was going to have a get together (a safe and fun place to watch the big game), but the NFL got wind of it and put a stop to it.
Wow, they did that to a church? That's pretty effed-up.

I don't believe showing a game will happen. I don't think that was the main purpose for those video screens. It was for only to show fans waiting to get in or tailgating the pre-game and advertising. I pretty sure it is illegal (in the NFL) for any team to show a live game for nonpaying customers. I'm from Indiana, and during the 06' seasons when the Colts went to the SB, a church was going to have a get together (a safe and fun place to watch the big game), but the NFL got wind of it and put a stop to it.
I call Bull Sh*t.
If that was the case, 1,000's of sport bars throughout the nation would be closed down.

Jerry needs to go ahead and install the screens, then when they host the Super Bowl, install temporary stands and charge per seat. That would almost pay for the cost of the screens.

He could also do the same for the Final 4, and other such events.

The Super Bowl would definately have an attendance of well over 150,000 then.

cant go wrong with green man.......grass is in

http://www.dallasnews.com/video/dallasnews/hp/index.html?nvid=378784&shu=1

I call Bull Sh*t.
If that was the case, 1,000's of sport bars throughout the nation would be closed down.

Its real. They did it to a group in Dallas too. You simply have to have "written consent" and there can be no admission of any type or fundraiser based on content.

Can anyone explain to me why they would want to show a game outside of Jerryworld on huge videoscreens for free, when they are in fact trying to finance the stadium and the sportevent by selling as many tickets as possible for the game???

This is quite a specific question, do all three levels in each end zone have that polished marble effect flooring or is just the bottom levels.

Can anyone explain to me why they would want to show a game outside of Jerryworld on huge videoscreens for free, when they are in fact trying to finance the stadium and the sportevent by selling as many tickets as possible for the game???

Nearly every NFL game is a sellout so showing the game for free isn't going to affect a team like Dallas' ticket sales income. Some teams have sold out every game for 40-50 years.

I call Bull Sh*t.
If that was the case, 1,000's of sport bars throughout the nation would be closed down.

No. I'm quite certain Sports bars need to buy licensing from the league to show the games because they are making money from it (in the form of increased beer sale). Now a church is not going to make money from it but I'd think that the league would still require them to atleast get proper written consent as a huge public viewing like that might negatively affect another public viewing place nearby (like sport bars) that have bought licenses from the league.

I call Bull Sh*t.
If that was the case, 1,000's of sport bars throughout the nation would be closed down.

You are correct. I left the bar business a few years back but nothing has changed. There are no charges for patrons or owners viewing a sold out or any other game even in the same city as long as it is televised on a non-pay-channel format. Any information anyone has that conflicts this is simply just not a fact.

Sorry to say I can't guarantee that will be around forever, but for now that is the case.

did anyone read they will be using artificial turf for CONCACAF, but will be using a grass field for the Chelsea/Club America match?

You are correct. I left the bar business a few years back but nothing has changed. There are no charges for patrons or owners viewing a sold out or any other game even in the same city as long as it is televised on a non-pay-channel format. Any information anyone has that conflicts this is simply just not a fact.

Sorry to say I can't guarantee that will be around forever, but for now that is the case.

Contacted a friend that owns a restaurant/bar in Dallas. He stated to me that all he does is pay his cable bill, and does not have to get permission from any league. That is part of the television contracts that the leagues work out with the networks. However he also stated that he does not know about pay-per-view, or out of region like NFL Sunday Ticket, because he just doesn't do it. TXSkyWatcher has it right! However, he also said that a business cannot state that they are charging admission to watch an event, but can get around that by just doing a cover charge if the business isn't just in operation for that event.

http://media.timesrecordnews.com/trn/content/img/photos/2009/07/09/turf_shot_t600.jpg

Hmmm ... interesting info about bars not needing to buy license ... here in Toronto, I'm quite certain the Maple Leafs charge bars a certain fee ... I remember the Leafs forcing a bunch of bars in and around Toronto to stop showing their games without a license or something of that sort.

did anyone read they will be using artificial turf for CONCACAF, but will be using a grass field for the Chelsea/Club America match?

CONCACAF is cool with turf (see FIU), Chelsea isn't.

did anyone read they will be using artificial turf for CONCACAF, but will be using a grass field for the Chelsea/Club America match?

Chelsea is English picky

Can anyone explain to me why they would want to show a game outside of Jerryworld on huge videoscreens for free, when they are in fact trying to finance the stadium and the sportevent by selling as many tickets as possible for the game???

I'm not sure how many neighborhoods or what kind of standing room along the roads and blocks around Cowboys Stadium is like but it does cost to pay to get into the parking lot and park you vehicle. So it's not like it's totally absurd, he could make something from that with the video screens.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2533/3676794740_320ef0e0a5_b.jpg

Grass intalation
http://video.star-telegram.videos.vmixcore.com/vmix_hosted_apps/p/media?id=5005362&item_index=5&all=1&sort=NULL

Rugby???

Grass intalation
http://video.star-telegram.videos.vmixcore.com/vmix_hosted_apps/p/media?id=5005362&item_index=5&all=1&sort=NULL

Rugby???

why not?

The USA Sevens in San Diego was pretty awesome even if it was at a baseball park. Would be nice to see it at a rectangle stadium like Cowboys Stadium.

How is the turf going to be at this stadium with them changing it for different sports? I remember reading somewhere that at the Sky Dome/Rogers Center there were seams and the turf was poor because of them getting rid of the turf, then putting it back on so often. Will this stadium have those same problems or have they figured out a way around that?

According to the website The softtop system uses long strips instead of rectangles, so less seams. Infill turfs are normally sewn together. This system uses some sort of hooking system at the base of the pad according to the website. In essence you're not having to sew the field back together(or not sew it at all I'm guessing in some cases where there are ripples.) Using a hooking system would ensure the exact fit each time. I imagine the seam backings hook on as well. Would be tedious as hell, but with enough workers, could be quickly put back together, the reblended quickly

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3505/3711636354_aa06e16d1c_b.jpg

even the elevators look cool

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club level
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2484/3710971868_35c631caf2_b.jpg

new entrance tunnel
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3484/3710165417_01e03f03bc_b.jpg

from one of the 300+ suites
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2642/3710161749_5ba2189634_b.jpg
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from a radio booth
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3432/3710162073_2c661739db_b.jpg

closed roof from the top Endzone plaza
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3441/3710973400_b1089079e0_b.jpg

the field and stadium
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3523/3710501767_08f6dae64f_b.jpg
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Field level
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2467/3710977032_4e3d9d03e0_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3428/3710165737_0b8f55826a_o.jpg

This stadium is the bomb.
I know that there were a lot of complaints regarding interior.
I think that is bullshi. and this pictures confirm that.

I don't like this handegg stadium. It's completely out of proportions. Too many tiers, too many boxes/glass.

The upper tier looks like the upper tier of the Bernabue stadium in Madrid.

The playing surface makes it look 100x better. I was starting to not like it, but it looks great now. Can't wait to see it in action the next two weeks.

According to the website The softtop system uses long strips instead of rectangles, so less seams. Infill turfs are normally sewn together. This system uses some sort of hooking system at the base of the pad according to the website. In essence you're not having to sew the field back together(or not sew it at all I'm guessing in some cases where there are ripples.) Using a hooking system would ensure the exact fit each time. I imagine the seam backings hook on as well. Would be tedious as hell, but with enough workers, could be quickly put back together, the reblended quickly

We will see. This season the Big 12 championship is played on a saturday then the following sunday (next day) the cowboys play the eagles.

I believe I saw somewhere that it takes 24 hours for them to change fields. I don't think they'll have an issue with that, but I'm still concerned about the quality of the playing surface in 3 or 4 years.

Chelsea is English picky

Not really. Chelsea has some very expensive players, and artificial turf is murder on a player's legs, plus it is conducive to injuries (muscle pulls, cramps, turf toes, etc.).

^^^ This isn't uncommon. Most teams that come from Europe refuse to play on turf. I know Real Madrid is making Toronto FC lay down grass when they go up to BMO Field.

Not really. Chelsea has some very expensive players, and artificial turf is murder on a player's legs, plus it is conducive to injuries (muscle pulls, cramps, turf toes, etc.).

I've seen one study using infill vs grass, and it actually said grass is tougher on player's ligaments.

We will see. This season the Big 12 championship is played on a saturday then the following sunday (next day) the cowboys play the eagles.

Northern Arizona and the Alamodome were the testers of the system and they already know that once the fields are put together(have to sew in markers and logos) they can be turned over in less than 24 hours.

Not really. Chelsea has some very expensive players, and artificial turf is murder on a player's legs, plus it is conducive to injuries (muscle pulls, cramps, turf toes, etc.).

NFL players dont have this problem. They must have POS turf manufacturers in Europe. I have ran on grass i have ran on turff and felt no difference. Soccer players just like to be babies and complain and cry about EVERYTHING!. EX. Ranaldo. Most over payed person in sports.

Some awesome pics from flickr
The stadium has a nice, natural light feel too it

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2436/3721341173_bb0ef6083f_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3427/3720949855_4d8538e64c_b.jpg

$2 million view
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3098/3722145400_301fe5973f_b.jpg

top endzone plaza
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3468/3721755532_8e1bf2300f_b.jpg

sorry about the size

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Is there a room for football players to hit a corner kick?

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3098/3722145400_301fe5973f_b.jpg
not good for soccer/football games

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3098/3722145400_301fe5973f_b.jpg
not good for soccer/football games

What does that mean? Any modern stadium has luxury suites. The windows do open.

And I was wondering about the corner kicks as well. We shall see on Sunday. I wouldn't be surprised if they flatten the angle of the 2 suites at each corner after this season and extend the field tray to make wider corner.

How many people are they expecting to attend the Chelsea friendly? I would imagine a good number of them are going just to see the stadium and have no idea who the teams playing are.

^^
Maybe for this game as it clearly is a major opening, but too be fair usually when a top European team goes over to the States the games tend to sell out.
Ganis will you be going to the first game you have clearly been looking forward to seeing it?

I wasn't sure about this stadium but I have to say now that it is finished and I can see the finished product it looks absolutely awesome. It will be interesting to see what the atmosphere is like.

What does that mean? Any modern stadium has luxury suites. The windows do open.

And I was wondering about the corner kicks as well. We shall see on Sunday. I wouldn't be surprised if they flatten the angle of the 2 suites at each corner after this season and extend the field tray to make wider corner.

This is typical for the corners. Corner kicks you need room for one step, and the kick. For a right footed person you need one step worth of room on the goal line side, and lefties up the field on the side line, and opposite on the opposite corner.

There is plenty of room in the corner, and there are many stadiums with the same amount of space on the corners.

Does anyone know what size the soccer field is?

seeing it with a football pitch makes me love this stadium even more!

^^
Maybe for this game as it clearly is a major opening, but too be fair usually when a top European team goes over to the States the games tend to sell out.
Ganis will you be going to the first game you have clearly been looking forward to seeing it?

I wasn't sure about this stadium but I have to say now that it is finished and I can see the finished product it looks absolutely awesome. It will be interesting to see what the atmosphere is like.

Im sure as hell gonna try!

Does anyone know what size the soccer field is?
The standard size for soccer pitches is:
105 meters x 68 meters.
That's the size in any new stadium only some older ones usually have different sized pitches which may vary especially in older stadia, in lower leagues in the widths from 45 to 90 meters and in it's length from 90 to 120 meters.
But all international matches and any new stadium requires a pitch the size of 105m x 68m. Adding the minimum distances from the pitch to the stands for soccer the inside of a modern stadium must be at least 120m x 80m.

NFL players dont have this problem. They must have POS turf manufacturers in Europe. I have ran on grass i have ran on turff and felt no difference. Soccer players just like to be babies and complain and cry about EVERYTHING!. EX. Ranaldo. Most over payed person in sports.

Don't forget a ball has to be rolled across the turf and players dribble with the ball. Teams insisting on grass is really not uncommon in Europe. Perhaps the reason American football players don't have trouble is because the games require different things from the pitch.

How many people are they expecting to attend the Chelsea friendly? I would imagine a good number of them are going just to see the stadium and have no idea who the teams playing are.

^^
Maybe for this game as it clearly is a major opening, but too be fair usually when a top European team goes over to the States the games tend to sell out.
Ganis will you be going to the first game you have clearly been looking forward to seeing it?

I wasn't sure about this stadium but I have to say now that it is finished and I can see the finished product it looks absolutely awesome. It will be interesting to see what the atmosphere is like.
Dallas isn't quite as big of an association football city as, say, Seattle, where the Sounders' friendlies against both Chelsea and Barca sold out within weeks, but I'd imagine most people attending will know at least something about the higher-profile clubs such as the Big 4, Real, etc., since they get so much media coverage worldwide. Also, Dallas, like many cities in states along the border, has a large Latino population, where futbol is king, so many of them might show up to see one of the world's most prestigious sides.

NFL players dont have this problem. They must have POS turf manufacturers in Europe. I have ran on grass i have ran on turff and felt no difference. Soccer players just like to be babies and complain and cry about EVERYTHING!. EX. Ranaldo. Most over payed person in sports.

I agree, he was terrible at PSG.

The standard size for soccer pitches is:
105 meters x 68 meters.
That's the size in any new stadium only some older ones usually have different sized pitches which may vary especially in older stadia, in lower leagues in the widths from 45 to 90 meters and in it's length from 90 to 120 meters.
But all international matches and any new stadium requires a pitch the size of 105m x 68m. Adding the minimum distances from the pitch to the stands for soccer the inside of a modern stadium must be at least 120m x 80m.

I know what the international sizes are and what' the minimums and maximums are, but some American football stadiums don't go with the international size. I'm curious what this is specifically.

I agree, he was terrible at PSG.

Wasn't that Reinaldo?

cant wait to see chelsea kick some ass here .....

Dallas isn't quite as big of an association football city as, say, Seattle, where the Sounders' friendlies against both Chelsea and Barca sold out within weeks, but I'd imagine most people attending will know at least something about the higher-profile clubs such as the Big 4, Real, etc., since they get so much media coverage worldwide. Also, Dallas, like many cities in states along the border, has a large Latino population, where futbol is king, so many of them might show up to see one of the world's most prestigious sides.

Dallas doesn't just have a huge latino population. It has a huge native Mexican population. The US would not dare play a home game vs Mexico here or in Houston.

Dallas proper long hosted the sidekicks indoors to nice popularity, and the Burn didn't do bad at all at the Cotton Bowl. They were just started to get fans, then they bolted for the suburbs(microcosm of soccer in the US). Not just any suburb, but northern Frisco. Frisco is WAYYYY up north, halfway to Oklahoma with no chance of public transit in the next 20 years. WAYYYYY up north, and only accessible by the Dallas North Tollway from the south or SH 121(another tollway) from the southeast and northwest. A place that spits in the face of the notion that freeways cause sprawl because they STILL don't have a finished freeway going to the stadium, let alone through the suburb of 100,000, yet they have a convention center, minor league baseball park and minor league hockey arena a huge mall, huge office parks and acre after acre of sprawl. Its the ultimate, "soccer is ours" stadium.

Wasn't that Reinaldo?

I thought that's who he was talking about.

I always thought the USL should put a team in Fort Worth proper just to see what happens. It'd be a hell of a lot more accessible than FC Dallas.

The screen is just too big, simply, in a stadium of that size, it still appears to make everything claustrophobic.

Must be said though, on the whole, the stadium looks a lot nicer now it's finished, and as someone said, it does seem very airy, though thats probably to do with how high the roof is.

And about the corner kicks, it does look a little tight, which would suggest to me that unless some substantial modifications are done to the seating areas/suites around the pitch, this stadium wouldn't be hosting any World Cup matches should the USA get it anytime soon.

Dallas doesn't just have a huge latino population. It has a huge native Mexican population. The US would not dare play a home game vs Mexico here or in Houston.

They already have in Houston last year. Tie 2-2. I think i would like to see a US v Mexico game here. We have been making a sport out of beating them for the past few matches, and we are gonna beat them in Azteca Stadium in August! We are gonna send a mad rush of Americans down there to flood the stadium with US flags (wish full thinking)

cant wait to see chelsea kick some ass here .....

Just be lucky that Chelsea is coming to Dallas.

Dallas doesn't just have a huge latino population. It has a huge native Mexican population. The US would not dare play a home game vs Mexico here or in Houston.

Dallas proper long hosted the sidekicks indoors to nice popularity, and the Burn didn't do bad at all at the Cotton Bowl. They were just started to get fans, then they bolted for the suburbs(microcosm of soccer in the US). Not just any suburb, but northern Frisco. Frisco is WAYYYY up north, halfway to Oklahoma with no chance of public transit in the next 20 years. WAYYYYY up north, and only accessible by the Dallas North Tollway from the south or SH 121(another tollway) from the southeast and northwest. A place that spits in the face of the notion that freeways cause sprawl because they STILL don't have a finished freeway going to the stadium, let alone through the suburb of 100,000, yet they have a convention center, minor league baseball park and minor league hockey arena a huge mall, huge office parks and acre after acre of sprawl. Its the ultimate, "soccer is ours" stadium.

As mentioned, the US and Mexico played at Reliant Stadium. It's always the same old story, even when the US has played Mexico in Los Angeles. Most of the crowd at Mexican fans. The same would be the case if the US played Brazil. I remember hearing when Brazil played Venezuela in a friendly at Gillette Stadium in Foxboro, MA that about 65,000 people showed up....that's nuts.

The screen is just too big, simply, in a stadium of that size, it still appears to make everything claustrophobic.

Must be said though, on the whole, the stadium looks a lot nicer now it's finished, and as someone said, it does seem very airy, though thats probably to do with how high the roof is.

And about the corner kicks, it does look a little tight, which would suggest to me that unless some substantial modifications are done to the seating areas/suites around the pitch, this stadium wouldn't be hosting any World Cup matches should the USA get it anytime soon.

They will probably have to do some alterations around the corners, there simply is not enough space. And considering how import corner kicks are to a soccer match, something would have to be done for competitive matches to be played. The fact that they have field level suites only complicates matters. Which is why I think we may see games played at the Cotton Bowl if the U.S. is to get the world cup.

Just be lucky that Chelsea is coming to Dallas.

yea man...i am big drogba fan...he is from ivory coast...and my friend is from ivory coast too...we going to the game.!!!! just a couple streets from collins .

They will probably have to do some alterations around the corners, there simply is not enough space. And considering how import corner kicks are to a soccer match, something would have to be done for competitive matches to be played. The fact that they have field level suites only complicates matters. Which is why I think we may see games played at the Cotton Bowl if the U.S. is to get the world cup.

And about the corner kicks, it does look a little tight, which would suggest to me that unless some substantial modifications are done to the seating areas/suites around the pitch,
this stadium wouldn't be hosting any World Cup matches should the USA get it anytime soon.

So what's the answer? One says you have one step, others say the World Cup would skip Jerry World. If its too tight, As I said, the modification would be simple and would be pointed out as they have FIFA observers for the next three matches to consult them on what needs to be done. Jerry's peeps seem to be serious about being part of the bid.

hmmmmm

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Just looking at a few European stadiums, tight corners are not uncommon. Also looking at the last World Cup, there are some tight corners as well.

They will probably have to do some alterations around the corners, there simply is not enough space. And considering how import corner kicks are to a soccer match, something would have to be done for competitive matches to be played. The fact that they have field level suites only complicates matters. Which is why I think we may see games played at the Cotton Bowl if the U.S. is to get the world cup.
The Cotton Bowl, even with recent improvements, is nowhere near a WC-quality facility.

The Cotton Bowl, even with recent improvements, is nowhere near a WC-quality facility.

why would it be at the cotton bowl?

How long can a grass field be sustained for in a place like Dallas for an event like the World Cup?

i would say 2 weeks maybe. They would install it probably a few days before the game

why would it be at the cotton bowl?
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no. Cowboys stadium would get the nod over Cotton Bowl

Dallas proper long hosted the sidekicks indoors to nice popularity

I've re-read that sentence about ten times, and I still can't figure out what it's supposed to mean! :nuts:

The Sidekicks were Dallas' indoor soccer team. Very popular. They played in downtown Dallas in Reunion arena. MISL for those familiar

i would say 2 weeks maybe. They would install it probably a few days before the game

I think that two weeks is the max, which causes some concern about the stadium hosting for a World Cup. The city should and the quality of the stadium should, but the pitch makes it somewhat of a question. Hopefully they can figure out a way to make the roll out grass last longer by the time the US hosts.

Don't forget a ball has to be rolled across the turf and players dribble with the ball. Teams insisting on grass is really not uncommon in Europe. Perhaps the reason American football players don't have trouble is because the games require different things from the pitch.

This is exactly what American football fans fail to understand. In American football the ball is handled & rarely kicked, plus it doesn't roll on the turf. For soccer turf is no good because if affects the course of the game: the ball bounces too high, it zigzags & skims on the surface and becomes difficult to control.

^^ As if world class overpaid athletes would really have that much trouble...

no. Cowboys stadium would get the nod over Cotton Bowl

It very well could if people have a problem with the new Cowboys Stadium. The Cotton Bowl is a great venue, has hosted World Cup and other soccer matches and has a large capacity. This is an advantage to the Dallas area to have 2 stadiums that could host. The jury is still out on how the atmosphere is in the new Cowboys Stadium...that could also play a factor.

The Cotton Bowl, even with recent improvements, is nowhere near a WC-quality facility.

Interesting, a stadium that hosted games during the 1994 world cup and that has also undergone improvements including an increase in capacity is nowhere near WC quality. Interesting....what you said makes no sense.

It very well could if people have a problem with the new Cowboys Stadium. The Cotton Bowl is a great venue, has hosted World Cup and other soccer matches and has a large capacity. This is an advantage to the Dallas area to have 2 stadiums that could host. The jury is still out on how the atmosphere is in the new Cowboys Stadium...that could also play a factor.



Interesting, a stadium that hosted games during the 1994 world cup and that has also undergone improvements including an increase in capacity is nowhere near WC quality. Interesting....what you said makes no sense.

The Cotton Bowl has all benches, no seats. It also has a small press box and few luxury suites. There is no covering anywhere either. The Cotton Bowl would require massive renovations to host a World Cup match. In 1994 the US was allowed to break rules to host because FIFA really wanted the US to host. Now, there are so many qualified candidates to host that FIFA won't let us get away with anywhere near the stuff they allowed us in 1994.

^^ As if world class overpaid athletes would really have that much trouble...

The main functions of the pitch are very different between soccer and american football.
In american fotball the main function of the pitch mostly just consists of aspects that involve the players running around on and falling onto the pitch.
In soccer the main function is to provide a good surface for the ball to roll around and bounce on it. And that involves very different aspects. If you've ever played soccer on very wet grass where the ball hardly rolls at all you could easily tell the enormeous differences different conditions and surfaces can produce.
What makes a soccergame fast and technically challenging is not just the speed and agility of the payers running around on the pitch but much rather the speed, predictability and contollability of the ball rolling and bouncing around on the pitch. That's also a main reason why in soccer weaker teams often have much better chances against technically superior teams when they're playing in bad weather and bad conditions than under perfect conditions. In american football the influence of the weather on the gameplay is far less drastic than it is in soccer. The main reason for that is the drastic change in the behavior of the ball on the surface under all those different conditions.

The main functions of the pitch are very different between soccer and american football.
In american fotball the main function of the pitch mostly just consists of aspects that involve the players running around on and falling onto the pitch.
In soccer the main function is to provide a good surface for the ball to roll around and bounce on it. And that involves very different aspects. If you've ever played soccer on very wet grass where the ball hardly rolls at all you could easily tell the enormeous differences different conditions and surfaces can produce.

The condition of the field in American football totally influences the style of play. Consider that the ball has to be handled by the hands of the players, caught and kicked by kickers and thrown and caught. Wet field = wet ball = not throwing as much, less option and sweep type plays. On defense there will be more blitzing from linebackers and very little man coverage in the secondary. In the kicking game, punts and kickoffs are usually driven instead of "popped up" for coverage to run under the ball. Completely different game when the ball is wet.

What makes a soccergame fast and technically challenging is not just the speed and agility of the payers running around on the pitch but much rather the speed, predictability and contollability of the ball rolling and bouncing around on the pitch. That's also a main reason why in soccer weaker teams often have much better chances against technically superior teams when they're playing in bad weather and bad conditions than under perfect conditions. In american football the influence of the weather on the gameplay is far less drastic than it is in soccer. The main reason for that is the drastic change in the behavior of the ball on the surface under all those different conditions.

As I said, I totally disagree with the influence of weather on American football. It is HUGE to the point that many call rain, "The Great Equalizer". Many huge upsets have happened in the rain or snow. Fumbles, dropped pass, and dropped kick returns can affect entire games.

The Cotton Bowl has all benches, no seats. It also has a small press box and few luxury suites. There is no covering anywhere either. The Cotton Bowl would require massive renovations to host a World Cup match. In 1994 the US was allowed to break rules to host because FIFA really wanted the US to host. Now, there are so many qualified candidates to host that FIFA won't let us get away with anywhere near the stuff they allowed us in 1994.

Totally agree. There are enough stadiums in the US that could comply with regulations and recommendations that there's no excuse to have stadiums that don't comply as part of the bid regardless of location. Especially with the competition out there, we will find ourselves on the outside looking in.

The condition of the field in American football totally influences the style of play. Consider that the ball has to be handled by the hands of the players, caught and kicked by kickers and thrown and caught. Wet field = wet ball = not throwing as much, less option and sweep type plays. On defense there will be more blitzing from linebackers and very little man coverage in the secondary. In the kicking game, punts and kickoffs are usually driven instead of "popped up" for coverage to run under the ball. Completely different game when the ball is wet.



As I said, I totally disagree with the influence of weather on American football. It is HUGE to the point that many call rain, "The Great Equalizer". Many huge upsets have happened in the rain or snow. Fumbles, dropped pass, and dropped kick returns can affect entire games.

OK I'm not exactly an expert on american football even though I do like to watch it and maybe the influence of the weather on the gameplay may be simmilar as in soccer. But let's agree that at least in american football it's mainly due to the behavior of the wet ball and not mainly due to the pitch itself. In soccer the effect of the weather is due to the behavior of the ball on surface of the pitch meaning wet grass. You can run nearly as good or bad on wet grass as you can on dry grass (at least if you have the right shoes), or even artificial turf. but the behavior of a socerball the rooling and bouncing is affected immensely by the conditions of the surface it rolls on. That was the main point if my argument. The condition of the grass or artifucal turf in american football doesn't nearly have the importance it does in soccer simply because the ball is carried and thrown from player to player and not kicked and rolled around on the surface like it is in soccer. I personally still believe the weather has a bigger influence on soccer than it has on american football but that's not really much of any importance in this case anyways, because we're talking mainly about the conditions of the pitch itself.
And the conditions of the surface where the game is played on are of greater importance to the gameplay in soccer than they are in american football. Simply also just because an american football doesn't nearly a have as much contact with the surface as a soccerball does, wether the ball itself is wet due to rain or not or players might be harder to tackle or not due to their wet skin and clothes.

nice-lookin' stadium!:okay:

OK I'm not exactly an expert on american football even though I do like to watch it and maybe the influence of the weather on the gameplay may be simmilar as in soccer. But let's agree that at least in american football it's mainly due to the behavior of the wet ball and not mainly due to the pitch itself. In soccer the effect of the weather is due to the behavior of the ball on surface of the pitch meaning wet grass. You can run nearly as good or bad on wet grass as you can on dry grass (at least if you have the right shoes), or even artificial turf. but the behavior of a socerball the rooling and bouncing is affected immensely by the conditions of the surface it rolls on. That was the main point if my argument. The condition of the grass or artifucal turf in american football doesn't nearly have the importance it does in soccer simply because the ball is carried and thrown from player to player and not kicked and rolled around on the surface like it is in soccer. I personally still believe the weather has a bigger influence on soccer than it has on american football but that's not really much of any importance in this case anyways, because we're talking mainly about the conditions of the pitch itself.
And the conditions of the surface where the game is played on are of greater importance to the gameplay in soccer than they are in american football. Simply also just because an american football doesn't nearly a have as much contact with the surface as a soccerball does, wether the ball itself is wet due to rain or not or players might be harder to tackle or not due to their wet skin and clothes.

The type of turf affects american football a lot more than just making the ball wet. Playing on astroturfcreates a faster more spread out game. Playing on a muddy field makes it harder to get traction on and effects how you tackle a player.

^^ As if world class overpaid athletes would really have that much trouble...

High payed footballers depend on top quality equipment to perform at their best. It's like saying MLB players could do just as good a job with a cheap 2nd-hand bat bought off ebay. They couldn't.

OK I'm not exactly an expert on american football even though I do like to watch it and maybe the influence of the weather on the gameplay may be simmilar as in soccer. But let's agree that at least in american football it's mainly due to the behavior of the wet ball and not mainly due to the pitch itself. In soccer the effect of the weather is due to the behavior of the ball on surface of the pitch meaning wet grass. You can run nearly as good or bad on wet grass as you can on dry grass (at least if you have the right shoes), or even artificial turf. but the behavior of a socerball the rooling and bouncing is affected immensely by the conditions of the surface it rolls on. That was the main point if my argument. The condition of the grass or artifucal turf in american football doesn't nearly have the importance it does in soccer simply because the ball is carried and thrown from player to player and not kicked and rolled around on the surface like it is in soccer. I personally still believe the weather has a bigger influence on soccer than it has on american football but that's not really much of any importance in this case anyways, because we're talking mainly about the conditions of the pitch itself.

Again you're minimizing the field condition on the game of football. You can run well on wet grass if you're sprinting or blocking straight ahead. How much of that do you do in American football. Again, it slows the game down. Faster teams that run complicated passing schemes are slowed down. Aggressive defenses can't run their entire packages because a slip or two creates holes. You can't run as many outside plays because they usually require a hard cut off of a lead block.

And you cannot minimize the fact that the ball is handled every play in American football. A wet pigskin is simply a slippery rock once the ball is scuffed. It then absorbs water. You're talking about playbooks of over 1,000 plays and formation combinations being cut down to maybe 100. Heck, even the region many teams play in can influence what kind of game they play. Think its a coincidence that offenses in southern US tend to be more wide open than in the north on a whole(You have exceptions like New England and Green Bay). But even those who break the regional convention understand that their running game(more conservative style) needs to be excellent since bad weather is almost certain later in the season.

And the conditions of the surface where the game is played on are of greater importance to the gameplay in soccer than they are in american football. Simply also just because an american football doesn't nearly a have as much contact with the surface as a soccerball does, wether the ball itself is wet due to rain or not or players might be harder to tackle or not due to their wet skin and clothes.


It's laughable to minimize footing. Did you watch the last two American Bowls at Wembley. In American Football you have huge offensive and defensive lineman. When the field is wet or even poor, they rip it to shreds. Again changing the entire strategy of the game. Again, less passing, less option plays, less outside running, because of the hard cuts. The ball touches the ground after EVERY play. Pigskins only repel water for a few minutes. Once scuffed up, they turn into a slippery rock. Hard to carry, hard to throw, hard to kick. You simply cannot minimize the effect of that on the game. I woud compare it to a hard downpour on a Grand Prix. Strategy is key to both, and that completely changes with rain. Ask an American football fan about how the game should be played in rain and mud. Fans like it because its an equalizer and turns into a brutish game instead of the precise, pretty game a team like Indianapolis might play into a hard nosed, straight forward game that Tennessee likes to play.

I understand from the outside its probably hard to imagine. Just think of this. League officials want superbowls either played in warm weather, or where they can control the climate because of the effect weather has on the game, which is not a good one.

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Mexico should just play all it's qualifiers here.

I CANT WAIT FOR TOMORROW! We finally get to see this place for a sporting event.

I do think its bull shit that USA got sent to Philly for their Quarter game.


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Looks nice. Though the playing field is kinda tight at the corners, isn't it?

I CANT WAIT FOR TOMORROW! We finally get to see this place for a sporting event.

I do think its bull shit that USA got sent to Philly for their Quarter game.


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They know that Mexico will be draw a bigger crowd anywhere on the border states.

true

Looks nice. Though the playing field is kinda tight at the corners, isn't it?

Yeah. I'm watching Guadeloupe-Costa Rica and it looks quite tight.

Even Lincoln Field was small for football (soccer). It's kinda weird.

Yea, pitch really seems shoehorned in.

The pitch is very narrow

its tight but that is the same for every american stadium. So far this is proving to be a passing grade for the stadium

The pitch is very narrow

A football field is less than 49 m wide a soccerfield 68 meters of course it'll be narrow to fit a soccerfield inside a football stadium. If stadia used mainly for football were wider to provide better conditions for soccer the distance from the spectators to the footballfield would necessarily be bigger.
A very simmilar problem occurs when playing football in a european soccer stadium because a football field is longer than a soccerfield which is only 105meters long and not nearly 110 meters. Uefa regulations for the interior of soccer stadia are 120x 80 meters. That's just about long enough to barely fit a football field inside with just very little space beyond the endzones, just about 5 meters on each end. And within these 5 meters to the stand one has to place even the advertisements, the photographers cameras and all these kind of things. Of course nearly all modern stadia have a bit more space than the minimum of 120 x 80 meters, in Germany often about around 125 x 85 meters or so which gives a bit more room but it's still usually tight to fit a footballfield in. Thats why in Europe especially in all the amateur leagues we usually just play football on our shorter soccersize fields here, exactly because of that issue, simply because we usually only have soccerfields available to play the sport on here.
In most cases it doesn't really make it any better to have the stadium interior large enough to comfortably fit pitches of both sports in, simply because usually the stadia are mostly used just for one of these two sports and rather rarely for the other one. And usually the other sport isn't overly popular where the first sport is. So it usually really does make sense to optimize a stadium just for one of these two sports and live with the imperfect conditions for the other sport.

Stadium looks great on tv. You finally get the scale of the stadium with players on the field. The stands look huge!!! and I've yet to see the video board unless they pan upwards. Really looks better than I expected. Very light for them to be indoors. Also, it doesn't look that tight(and it really isn't except for the corners, and it doesn't even look tight during corners). I think most are just used to soccer stadiums having much lower stands around the pitch. NFL stadiums have taller walls to see over players on the sidelines. Don't mean to say its not tight at all, but just mean it looks different. The taller walls make it look like the stands are on top of the field because they start at a higher point.

If my Spanish is any good, there are over 82,000 in attendance.

82,532.

I know that most American stadiums make for narrow pitches, but there are exceptions. Pasadena, Nashville, Charlotte, Miami, and Annapolis for instance.

Kinda reminds me of Aloha Stadium. Obviously Aloha is a trash heap and beyond the field is of no compare, but the dimensions feel similar.

Also, it doesn't look that tight(and it really isn't except for the corners, and it doesn't even look tight during corners). I think most are just used to soccer stadiums having much lower stands around the pitch. NFL stadiums have taller walls to see over players on the sidelines. Don't mean to say its not tight at all, but just mean it looks different. The taller walls make it look like the stands are on top of the field because they start at a higher point.

Trust me, it's tight. It has nothing to do with the stands, it's really all about the field. Maybe you're not used to see soccer, that's why you don't notice at first.

But look at those two lines:

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Their distance to the penalty area is much bigger on most soccer fields. That's were there's always the first defender when there's a corner kick. You don't usually see him almost near the area, right?


Look a good example:

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82,532.

I know that most American stadiums make for narrow pitches, but there are exceptions. Pasadena, Nashville, Charlotte, Miami, and Annapolis for instance.

Kinda reminds me of Aloha Stadium. Obviously Aloha is a trash heap and beyond the field is of no compare, but the dimensions feel similar.

The only one of those I would consider wide is Miami, which is wide for Baseball reasons, and the Superdome has always been wide. There's actually a minimum distance for sidelines in the NFL, and all new stadiums reflect that at the 50 yardline. Some are simply rectangle and some have corners that curve inward(called unobstructed seating since all seats face the 50 yardline). Even in the rectangles, the walls are taller than what you'd see in Europe and the stands are going to be close. Why put the fans miles away from the field infavor of a few soccer matches? Reliant and the Cotton Bowl actually show the solution to this, which I imagine will take place in places that aren't rectangle in a WC situation

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watch matches at Reliant this summer, it appears they've done the same. Very simple solution at the easiest place to remove stands. Most domes already have retractable seats. Jerry World is the troublesome place. It has the width at midfield, but has to do something with the corners. Taking out about 3 suites at each corner would make this work.

Trust me, it's tight. It has nothing to do with the stands, it's really all about the field. Maybe you're not used to see soccer, that's why you don't notice at first.

But look at those two lines:

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f357/ShichiAkaAkuma/cowboys11.jpg

Their distance to the penalty area is much bigger on most soccer fields. That's were there's always the first defender when there's a corner kick. You don't usually see him almost near the area, right?


Look a good example:

http://www.affen7.net/german/737.jpg

We know the playing field itself is narrow. We're explaining solutions. If I'm Jerry Jones, I build the stadium first for what's making him billions. Then if the World Cup presents itself, I make the simply modification of widening the surface. I know you guys are critics for soccer, but the NFL critics are the ones that can lose him money.

I was just saying that for soccer it's tight and that that as nothing to do with the stands like you were sugesting. That's all.

Although I don't know what you mean with "We're explaining solutions". Nobody did that... :dunno:

USA in Philly and Mexico in Dallas makes perfect sense. Being that I was at the game in Philly that worked out well.

Anyone find pics of the crowd in Dallas?

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A football field is less than 49 m wide a soccerfield 68 meters of course it'll be narrow to fit a soccerfield inside a football stadium. If stadia used mainly for football were wider to provide better conditions for soccer the distance from the spectators to the footballfield would necessarily be bigger.
A very simmilar problem occurs when playing football in a european soccer stadium because a football field is longer than a soccerfield which is only 105meters long and not nearly 110 meters. Uefa regulations for the interior of soccer stadia are 120x 80 meters. That's just about long enough to barely fit a football field inside with just very little space beyond the endzones, just about 5 meters on each end. And within these 5 meters to the stand one has to place even the advertisements, the photographers cameras and all these kind of things. Of course nearly all modern stadia have a bit more space than the minimum of 120 x 80 meters, in Germany often about around 125 x 85 meters or so which gives a bit more room but it's still usually tight to fit a footballfield in. Thats why in Europe especially in all the amateur leagues we usually just play football on our shorter soccersize fields here, exactly because of that issue, simply because we usually only have soccerfields available to play the sport on here.
In most cases it doesn't really make it any better to have the stadium interior large enough to comfortably fit pitches of both sports in, simply because usually the stadia are mostly used just for one of these two sports and rather rarely for the other one. And usually the other sport isn't overly popular where the first sport is. So it usually really does make sense to optimize a stadium just for one of these two sports and live with the imperfect conditions for the other sport.

You're preaching to choir here. I know all that. My 4 word post was my lazy way of showing disappointment at the corners of the stadium being rounded off. This gives better sightlines for NFL games but squeezes the width when it comes to soccer/football. Stadiums in Seattle, Houston and the new stadium in New York have removable seating in the corners to widen the field.

Rounding off of the corners is the single biggest difference between NFL stadiums that are good for soccer/football and those that aren't. Not all NFL stadiums are like the Cowboys Stadium despite what people keep saying. Notice the wider corners in these stadiums in Charlotte and Nashville that allow for a wider playing surface. Both of these stadiums have a total playing surface area of 120m x 80m, the FIFA requirement.

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You're preaching to choir here. I know all that. My 4 word post was my lazy way of showing disappointment at the corners of the stadium being rounded off. This gives better sightlines for NFL games but squeezes the width when it comes to soccer/football. Stadiums in Seattle, Houston and the new stadium in New York have removable seating in the corners to widen the field.

Rounding off of the corners is the single biggest difference between NFL stadiums that are good for soccer/football and those that aren't. Not all NFL stadiums are like the Cowboys Stadium despite what people keep saying. Notice the wider corners in these stadiums in Charlotte and Nashville that allow for a wider playing surface. Both of these stadiums have a total playing surface area of 120m x 80m, the FIFA requirement.

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http://www.stadiumsofprofootball.com/afc/images/lp2007904.jpg

and again, this is an easy remedy.

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Reliant did it. If they tell Jerry that's how you can get World Cup matches, he will do it to. Its not hard

We're missing the greatness of the stadium worry if its World Cup compliant right now. Either Jerry will take FIFA's suggestion(they are VIPs at the games this and next weekend) if he wants in a bid, or he won't. Until then we have several seasons of football before then. More pictures

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For those who viewed the match either in person or on television: how difficult were the corners?

For those who viewed the match either in person or on television: how difficult were the corners?

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a few in the highlights there

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Which width would you estimate this playing field has? I mean between the lines, not the grass field itself.

82,532.

so its 80,000+
But whats the exact capacity?

Yesterday was first home game! I actually went into the stadium for a pre-season game, the stadium is magnificent! It was so much fun!!!

For those who viewed the match either in person or on television: how difficult were the corners?

They seemed to look like normal corner kicks to me. With everyone saying Jerry can make the corners bigger... ha cant. Ha does not have stands at the field level that can be removed, those are permanent suites. And the stadium worked out fine. On the World Cup List for sure. I cant wait to see next weeks match in ENGLISH!

Cowboys Stadium scores, fans say, as record Texas soccer crowd sees DH
11:32 PM CDT on Sunday, July 19, 2009

By BARRY HORN / The Dallas Morning News
bhorn@dallasnews.com

ARLINGTON – The view from Seat 1, Row 26 in Section 437, high above the field, was just fine, Susan Garcia reported midway through the historic first sporting event at Cowboys Stadium.

Certainly, no one was sitting farther from the action than Garcia and her last-row, upper-deck compadres who ringed the stadium Sunday.

"I can see just fine," said Garcia, a homemaker from Midlothian. "But all the climbing to get here ..."

Garcia and her construction worker husband, Teddy, paid $25 each for their tickets that allowed them to attend a CONCACAF Gold Cup quarterfinal soccer doubleheader that featured Costa Rica's 5-1 pummeling of Guadeloupe and Mexico's 4-0 walkover over Haiti.

If the games weren't competitive, few seemed to mind.

Like most in the sellout crowd of 82,252, a Texas soccer attendance record, the Garcias were there to support Mexico. Costa Rica-Guadeloupe was only the warm-up act for the team that, for the moment, ranks as the most popular to ever play at Cowboys Stadium.

Whether Cowboys fans can exhibit as much passion for their team as the horn-tooting, green-clad Mexico fans remains to be seen.

For the record, the old Texas soccer attendance record was 70,550 for a 2006 doubleheader at Houston's Reliant Stadium that featured Mexico City's Club America. Coincidentally, Club America will be at Cowboys Stadium in six days to play Chelsea of the English Premier League in a World Football Challenge match.

The last time the Confederation of North, Central American and Caribbean Association Football visited North Texas was 1993. Three July dates at the Cotton Bowl drew a combined attendance of 43,940. But the big draw then was only the U.S. team.

While Susan Garcia chose to watch the players scampering up and down the field, Teddy Garcia spent most of his day watching the action on the can't-miss, state-of-the-art giant midfield video screen that measures 53 yards wide and 24 yards high. Sunday's picture in the climate-controlled, enclosed stadium was as crisp and clear as in any home media room.

Teddy shook his head in disagreement when asked if he might have been better off watching the game in the comfort of home.

"Mexico is my team," he said.

"And the air conditioning here is working just fine," Susan said. "We wouldn't have come if the stadium wasn't air-conditioned."

The air conditioning also was working fine in the luxury suite where Jake Spray and his family watched the game. Spray, 9, is a veteran of Cowboys games at Texas Stadium.

"This was awesome," said Spray, who lives in Rockwall. "I'd have to say this place is a little bit better. The air conditioning made it that way."

Gary Watson, a member of the event staff stationed on the wide concourse behind one of the goals, reported no problems with crowd control and no unusual requests.

"People just wanted to know how to find their seats," he said.

And if the gigantic TV screen, cool air and orderly crowd flow inside weren't enough, traffic flowed smoothly – or as smoothly as can be expected for such a sizable crowd at an event just down the road from the Rangers ballpark, where 27,204 fans watched a game that started at 7 p.m.

Arlington police reported only sporadic problems, including a jammed Collins Street just to the west of the stadium. The Rangers game against the Minnesota Twins was in the third inning when the soccer game ended.

If the players and coaches were in awe of playing in the historic first sporting event at the $1.15 billion stadium, they managed to conceal it.

"We usually play in smaller stadiums in front of smaller crowds," Guadeloupe coach Roger Salnot said. "But the size of the stadium didn't affect the way we played. We just gave up too many early goals."

Costa Rica's Celso Borges, who put the stadium's first score on the scoreboard, said he was just happy to be on the winning team.

"As long as the stats say we won, that's all that matters," he said.

And the stadium?

"I didn't think twice about it."

Cowboys Stadium would look even nicer in Dallas
11:39 PM CDT on Sunday, July 19, 2009

ARLINGTON – Politics has never interested me.

Not the student council elections at O.W. Holmes Middle School. Or the student body president elections at Skyline.

Too many politicians do what's in their own best interest – namely winning the next election or getting favors – instead of what's best for the people. Too many times their egos or their party loyalty drive their decisions.

I digress.

But I get like this every time I get an up-close view of Jerry Jones' $1.15 billion stadium in Arlington and think about how great it would look in the City of Dallas.

One day, I'll get over it.

For now, I'm still mad about the stupid decisions made by former mayor Laura Miller and Margaret Kelleher at the County Commissioner's office (Evil Bitchs (added by Ganis)) to keep the stadium out of Dallas.

There was never ever a legitimate reason for not letting Dallas voters decide whether they wanted to fund the stadium.

Cowboys Stadium held its first sporting event Sunday – a Gold Cup soccer doubleheader – that simply drove home what a terrific addition a state-of-the-art stadium would've been to our city.

Do you think Arlington would be the No.1 sports city in America, according to Men's Health magazine, without this stadium? Of course not.

My pastor's sermon Sunday morning dealt with jealousy and its effect on people and those around them. It's too bad he didn't deliver that word a few years ago, so I could've shipped a DVD to the former mayor.

See, Miller and Kelleher became so obsessed with how much money Jerry was going to make that they didn't spend enough time considering the value of a new stadium to our city.

Anyone who knows anything about Jerry and the Cowboys knows they do "big" better than anyone. No one knows how to market a stadium and make money better than Jerry.

So what if Jerry makes $500 million, if it brings the City of Dallas $30 or $40 or $50 million that it never would've had. Right now, the city has 100 percent of nothing.

The NBA All-Star Game is coming in 2010. The Super Bowl in 2011. The Final Four in 2014.

Do you think they're never coming back? It won't take long for Cowboys Stadium to be on the short list of recurring sites because of the facility and Jones' influence.

In between, there will be big-time college football most weekends during the fall and concerts all the time. This was designed to be a multi-purpose facility that could generate revenue all year.

Yes, Arlington taxpayers spent more than $300 million on the stadium, which we can all agree is a ton of cash. Twenty years from now, it won't seem like quite so much because of the economic benefits that will accompany the stadium.

It's not a stretch to say all of North Texas will benefit in some way from the stadium, because we all know folks who come to our town for events at the stadium will be spend some of their dollars in Uptown or the West Village or the M streets.

But all you have to do is drive around Arlington and see the construction and development that didn't exist a few years ago to know business is thriving.

You couldn't possibly think it was still a good idea to let the stadium be built 25 miles from Dallas.

Cowboys Stadium is the 100th stadium I've visited. Old Yankee Stadium, Fenway Park and Lambeau Field rank at the top, for me, in terms of nostalgia and mystique.

I've never been to a stadium that has the wow factor of this place – and I'm not one who gets all fired up over new stadiums. Most of them are nice, but not enough to awe me.

This place does.

From the spectacular 60-yard video screen to the natural lighting to the flat screens seemingly every five feet, Cowboys Stadium is as good as it gets. And the more movers-and-shakers who visit, the more events will come here.

It's just too bad it's not in Dallas.

and again, this is an easy remedy.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3106/2748369498_bf9f61e791_o.jpg

Reliant did it. If they tell Jerry that's how you can get World Cup matches, he will do it to. Its not hard


You might want to actually read my post seeing as how I mentioned this solution.

They seemed to look like normal corner kicks to me. With everyone saying Jerry can make the corners bigger... ha cant. Ha does not have stands at the field level that can be removed, those are permanent suites. And the stadium worked out fine. On the World Cup List for sure. I cant wait to see next weeks match in ENGLISH!


Not to argue, but the needed space has already been measured by soccer blog after soccer blog. Apparently the playing field used yesterday was ~7 yards short of being World Cup Final width. This would make put the corner arcs just into each corner suite. The space needed for the sideline space exists within the "patio" space of field level suites. If a line is drawn from the patio of the clubs down each sideline to the corners, the necessary space is there. This could easily be done. with a little concrete or even temporarily like they do with basketball courts.

To add, the field level suites aren't like baseball dugouts where the seating space is just beyond the stands. The suites actually have a ton of space like the other suites under the stands, with the large patio space. If they were to lop half or 3/4 of that patio space off, I bet no one would even notice.

Here's an example. Look how large the space outside the suite is

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Which width would you estimate this playing field has? I mean between the lines, not the grass field itself.

The distance from one of the hash marks to the corner flag is 10 yards. The penalty box itself is 44 yards. 10+10+44, so that's 64 yards (58.5 m), now we have to figure out how much is between the hash marks and box at this particular stadium.

To me, it looks no greater than 2 yards, 3 at most.

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Does the field suites have their own "balconies" next to the field?
Haha, thats crazy! :)

Nomination for Idiot comment of the year. And thats bad if "I" nominate you.

dont be so hard on yourself ganis, i think you contribute alot to this forum ;)

some images i pulled off flicker showing some of the stadiums small details.

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Team entry tunnel
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Entry to pro shop
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from the NY Times
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and from this weekend
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The fit and finish of the place is amazing for a sporting venue. Even the concrete floors have detail in them and are all stained.

The fit and finish of the place is amazing for a sporting venue. Even the concrete floors have detail in them and are all stained.

That's what amazes me most about this place. Yes, the windows and roof and size and everything else is impressive, but I like that they were able to take something that every stadium has and make it look better. Every stadium uses a lot of concrete and this one has more than most, but they were able to polish the concrete or whatever it was they did to make it feel nothing like a concrete bowl or like a Costco, like so many stadiums feel like.

this is how you spend 1.2 billion Dollars New York.

this is how you spend 1.2 billion Dollars New York.

There's no way they could build this in New York for close to $1.2 billion.

this is how you spend 1.2 billion Dollars New York.

Clearly you are unaware of the cost of land and construction in the NYC area.

Clearly you are unaware of the cost of land and construction in the NYC area.

And labor costs.

This stadium is simply amazing! :drool:

Clearly you are unaware of the cost of land and construction in the NYC area.

which is why i love Texas!

Now for the Real Grass.... not the brand, the real living thing.

http://www.dallasnews.com/video/dallasnews/hp/index.html?nvid=383024&shu=1

dont be so hard on yourself ganis, i think you contribute alot to this forum ;)

exactly.

where does this team get off to demand grass. In this country euro teams should have the balls to make such demands? go play in the cotton bowl or rangers ballpark.
I guess Ganis probably thinks its great.

I want acknowledgement for my prediction of the mexican/soccer prediction months ago. LA galaxy can't fill the home depot center.

where does this team get off to demand grass. In this country euro teams should have the balls to make such demands? go play in the cotton bowl or rangers ballpark.
I guess Ganis probably thinks its great.

Actually i said the same thing. There is no difference between running on grass and turf, no scientific proof at all. Its just soccer players being babies. I have played football on grass turf and dirt and never get turf toe because if you got boots or Cleats that fit right and arn't to small you dont get sprinters toe (USA)/turf toe (Europe)

actually only time i have ever gotten turf/sprinters toe is when i went back packing for the first time in big hiking boots.

where does this team get off to demand grass. In this country euro teams should have the balls to make such demands? go play in the cotton bowl or rangers ballpark.
I guess Ganis probably thinks its great.

We provide the grass because we understand that it makes for a better game. Stop trolling.

You only have to look at pictures of the Yankees ballpark to see the attention to detail in the Cowboys stadium. The floors are all polished and prisitne. Apparently Jerry Jones even thought about putting tvs in the toilets. Even though they didn't do that in the public toilets I wonder if they did it in the legends and owners clubs. The Yankees have flatscreen tvs in the restroom mirrors in their legends suite.

the tvs in the toilets is not so original, i remember when i went to the Rogers Centre in 2006 just after they renovated there were televisions in the public restrooms as well as that they were also at espn world in downtown disney, if you ask me they serve little purpose

While I am not a huge fan of modern NFL stadiums that cater only to the rich (I prefer no roof, bleacher stadiums) This is the most impressive of all the stadiums that have been built in the NFL building boom of the last 12 years. It is going to take a lot to top this, I don't forsee anything topping this for a long time. It would have to be a big market team that needs a stadium and has a egotistical owner. I think the Redskins building a new stadium is 20 years away though.

we can see it from Dallas

http://www.pbase.com/lsyd/image/115320930/original.jpg

What a monster! Can't wait for Monday night football.

whats the distance in that pic?

hmmm... 30 miles? give or take.

Arlington city limits rest 15 miles from downtown Dallas. The lead smelter and the prison you can see in the pic is just before you hit Loop 12....probably 7 miles out of downtown. The stadium from there is about 10 miles.

i think this is further then that. This was taken with a camera with a real good zoom.

i think this is further then that. This was taken with a camera with a real good zoom.

Yes they used a really remarcable camera, it's brand new and located on the canary Islands.
http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/news/photos/2007/07/16/gtc-cp-3292500.jpg

A really nice shot of Jerryworld they took with that, isn't it?

i think this is further then that. This was taken with a camera with a real good zoom.

This is like where's Waldo. I'm guessing you took that shot from Reunion Tower.
If so, that is about 17 miles as the crow flies.

The only minor thing I don't like about the stadium is the amount of exposed concrete between the tiers, i wonder if a lot of it is going to be covered up by advertising etc.

The only minor thing I don't like about the stadium is the amount of exposed concrete between the tiers, i wonder if a lot of it is going to be covered up by advertising etc.
A few more LED boards wouldn't hurt.

OK...I knew you'd argue the point so I looked it up [how come you didn't?]. It's 18.12 miles to Arlington from Dallas. Loop 12 is generally 12 miles out but there it's closer to 10..so we got about 8.12 miles.....then maybe the lens factor adds 2-3 miles....max around 10-11 miles.

Actually i said the same thing. There is no difference between running on grass and turf, no scientific proof at all. Its just soccer players being babies. I have played football on grass turf and dirt and never get turf toe because if you got boots or Cleats that fit right and arn't to small you dont get sprinters toe (USA)/turf toe (Europe)

actually only time i have ever gotten turf/sprinters toe is when i went back packing for the first time in big hiking boots.

I disagree, football is better on real grass, the ball control is different. Also, does anyone here think that the screens (magnificent though they are) prehaps too big???

I'm saying this because if I were to watch a match in the stadium I would be completely distracted by them, its a bit like trying not to look at someones headlights when they are on full beam.

Actually i said the same thing. There is no difference between running on grass and turf, no scientific proof at all. Its just soccer players being babies. I have played football on grass turf and dirt and never get turf toe because if you got boots or Cleats that fit right and arn't to small you dont get sprinters toe (USA)/turf toe (Europe)

actually only time i have ever gotten turf/sprinters toe is when i went back packing for the first time in big hiking boots.

Are you kidding me? Theres a HUGE difference, but im assuming you've never touched a soccer ball so you have absolutely no idea what youre talking about.

Real grass will ALWAYS give better than turf, and there have been numerous reports by NFL players who claimed that thed twisted an ankle or knee because their cleats got caught in the turf fibers.

Its even happened to me. Dont sit there and tell people that theres no difference when you have no proof.

1.6 Billion and there isn't enough space to host world cup matches... a soccer field for international matches is long 105 metres and large 68....

American engineering ------>>>> LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

Actually i said the same thing. There is no difference between running on grass and turf, no scientific proof at all. Its just soccer players being babies. I have played football on grass turf and dirt and never get turf toe because if you got boots or Cleats that fit right and arn't to small you dont get sprinters toe (USA)/turf toe (Europe)

actually only time i have ever gotten turf/sprinters toe is when i went back packing for the first time in big hiking boots.

It's how the ball plays on the surface that's the major difference.

1.6 Billion and there isn't enough space to host world cup matches... a soccer field for international matches is long 105 metres and large 68....

American engineering ------>>>> LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

What sport was it built primarily for?

1.6 Billion and there isn't enough space to host world cup matches... a soccer field for international matches is long 105 metres and large 68....

American engineering ------>>>> LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

You're not the brightest one are you?

Anyway, I walked around the stadium yesterday as my family and I were driving through DFW, I didn't get to go in but got to see all around it and got to look through the windows. And for those who haven't seen it yet, the pictures just aren't enough. It is absolutley beautiful, it's huge, it's shiny, and it even still smells new. It's the most beautiful sports venue I've ever seen although I've only seen maybe a couple dozen or less. The only thing I had a problem with and I'm guessing it's still being worked on or figured out was that there wasn't any signs or anything immediately around the stadium that said "Cowboys Stadium" or "Home of the Dallas Cowboys", etc.

Go Cowboys!

That's easily remedied, the Cotton Bowl wasn't big enough either but they did it by bringing in dirt and raising the floor. It can be done in most any football stadium.

That said, the question is does Jerry want soccer at Jerry-World? My bet is no.

some images i pulled off flicker showing some of the stadiums small details.

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:cheers::cheers:

Are you kidding me? Theres a HUGE difference, but im assuming you've never touched a soccer ball so you have absolutely no idea what youre talking about.

Real grass will ALWAYS give better than turf, and there have been numerous reports by NFL players who claimed that thed twisted an ankle or knee because their cleats got caught in the turf fibers.

Its even happened to me. Dont sit there and tell people that theres no difference when you have no proof.

Once again En thinks he knows me.

1.6 Billion and there isn't enough space to host world cup matches... a soccer field for international matches is long 105 metres and large 68....

American engineering ------>>>> LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

It was not made for Soccer, it was made for Football.

That said, the question is does Jerry want soccer at Jerry-World? My bet is no.

He is pushing hard to get as many events here as possible.

watching the game between Chelsea and Club America and the british commentators love the stadium but think its still to sterile. I cant wait to see all the Cowboys propaganda material put in.

Also every player for Club America is named Carona... why is that? (HAHAHA)

It is very generic so far. I imagine once all the Cowboys decor gets in and what other finishing touches like you said, it will be much more filled out.

The british announcer said the size of the stadium makes driving up to it like approaching the Great Pyramids. and he's bloody happy they have the roof shut because its 90 degrees outside and he was sweating bullets till he got inside.

from Dallas Mourning News

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/img/07-09/0726cowstadium700.jpg

Once again En thinks he knows me.



All i know about you are the dumb things you say.

Again, if you want to people to view you as credible, then stop posting ridiculous things. The turf example is a great one. If you dont know anything about it, then dont talk about it.

Do I know you? No. But I do know that you are willing to go into an argument without any knowledge of the subject? Yes.

Watching it on TV, it did look very sterile. It looked imposing, but hardly beautiful as a result. I can't wait until the Cowboys get in there with all the blue covering the concrete so we can see just how great this stadium is.

so far im hearing good things about the stadium.

Did anyone notice for the Chelsea v. Club America game, they installed real grass. That was new, because the Gold Cup game/s there were played on turf grass. Interesting. The grass looked fresh. They did something similar in Atlanta for that World Challenge game there. Installed the grass, played the game, and then took it out.

Soccer in the new stadium looks better on real grass i must say.

why so grumpy? Did a dingo take your baby!?

anyway wtf with soccer I'm a real football fan.
Just becuz this country puts soccer inperspective and 4th or 5th.
When I mock you tools should get in line.
Bill Mahr said" No I'm glad the U.S. doesn't go along with the rest of the world. Like THe world cup."

Any pictures of the Chelsea game? I haven't seen what it looks like full yet.

look at the Mexico game pics to see it full. Chelsea game had around 50,000 on attendance.

what was the attendance of the chelsea match?

57,229

Some Photos from Dallas Mourning News

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/pt/slideshows/2009/07/pho_chelsea2clubamerica_2009/

shame tht we still do not know the real exact capacity of the stadium

Check out this link from youtube, this guy has tons of pictures of the club areas. They look awesome, no wonder the stadium cost so much, no expense has been spared.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjZxh-csZzw&feature=related

shame tht we still do not know the real exact capacity of the stadium

We will in about a month or so

anyway wtf with soccer I'm a real football fan.
Just becuz this country puts soccer inperspective and 4th or 5th.
When I mock you tools should get in line.
Bill Mahr said" No I'm glad the U.S. doesn't go along with the rest of the world. Like THe world cup."


Why are you so culturally insecure? If you don't like something then ignore it.

Check out this link from youtube, this guy has tons of pictures of the club areas. They look awesome, no wonder the stadium cost so much, no expense has been spared.

SjZxh-csZzw

;)

Cowboys Stadium may be permanent home for Big 12 title game
By Randy Riggs
AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF

Wednesday, July 29, 2009

ARLINGTON — Engulfed in the grandeur of the Dallas Cowboys' new stadium, Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe suggested Tuesday he could envision the $1.2 billion palace being the permanent home of his league's championship football game.

Since the Big 12's formation in 1996, the league has eschewed permanent sites for its football and basketball championship events, preferring to rotate them among cities spread across the conference's geographic area.

Beebe alluded to that philosophy embraced by the conference's board of directors during a news conference inside the new stadium. He then paused, chuckled and added, "But they haven't seen this."

Cowboys Stadium, which has 80,000 permanent seats, will be the site of the 2009 and 2010 Big 12 football championships. Beebe said the league will discuss future championship sites, and the possibility of anchoring them, next June at its annual meetings.

"I think (permanent sites) will be under serious consideration," he said.

Beebe added he can see positives and negatives for anchoring the football and basketball championships. In basketball, the men's and women's tournaments will be held for the next two years at the Sprint Center in Kansas City, Mo.

If the football game was anchored in Texas, it's likely the basketball tournaments would be based in Kansas City to appease North Division fans and schools, although Beebe noted Oklahoma City has done a "phenomenal job" as a tournament host.

Beebe said a positive for anchoring the football game was to build a fan base "that will attend every year regardless of what teams are going to go." He said that's not as important in basketball because member schools buy most of the tickets.

The issue of the championship being accessible for fans also must be considered, Beebe added.

"I think Dallas is fairly accessible for whatever part of the conference you come from, even by driving if you need to," he said. "So I think that's a big attraction."

Well that would suck.

As if 3000 tvs wasn't enough the Cowboys plan to have 5000 installed by the 2011 Superbowl. Where are they all going to go. They all got donated by Sony as well.

I have no idea

shame tht we still do not know the real exact capacity of the stadium

We'll never know. 80,000 is the blackout number for the NFL. We'll know the max seats at the All-Star game or hopefully some playoff games this season.

The moving of the annual Cotton Bowl game to the Cowboys Stadium/Texas Stadium II would make the Cotton Bowl a white elephant. And I am not referring to this facility as Cotton Bowl II or the New Cotton Bowl.

Well that would suck.

Not really. I said Dallas would be the best location for the football game for a while. OKC can have baseball and KC can have basketball.

Not really. I said Dallas would be the best location for the football game for a while. OKC can have baseball and KC can have basketball.

That may be, but im more of a fan of rotating venues.

shame tht we still do not know the real exact capacity of the stadium

Why don't they just count the seats? I guess that's too complicated...:bash:

I wouldn't mind seeing the Big 12 title game there... but it would make a fairly historic stadium pretty useless. :(

Why don't they just count the seats? I guess that's too complicated...:bash:

The seats are on rails instead of being bolted to the risers. right now they just know that at 24inches per seat avg, they can get 80,000. But they can squeeze the club section to 21 and the regular seats to 18 inches. They calculate an extra 6,000 seats per inch, but still have not actually done this yet, and may not until maybe the Superbowl or Cotton Bowl if needed. That's why they put the capacity as 80,000 - 100,000. We do know there will be over 100,000 for the Cowboys home opener. At least that's what they say, but what configuration they will use, who knows.

Not really. I said Dallas would be the best location for the football game for a while. OKC can have baseball and KC can have basketball.

That may be, but im more of a fan of rotating venues.

I think each sport's championship should rotate to a permanent North Division site one year and a permanent South Division site the next. KC and Dallas for football, KC and OKC for basketball.

Baseball should stay in OKC, I agree.

The moving of the annual Cotton Bowl game to the Cowboys Stadium/Texas Stadium II would make the Cotton Bowl a white elephant. And I am not referring to this facility as Cotton Bowl II or the New Cotton Bowl.
The annual Red River Shootout Rivalry between Texas and Oklahoma will still be played at the Cotton Bowl for the foreseeable future, which is why the stadium was renovated and expanded to more than 90,000 seats before last year's game. The game is also played during the Texas State Fair, the grounds upon which the stadium lies.

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Giving Dallas the big 12 football championship every year would upset the northern schools especially a team like Nebraska but U of Kansas may not object as they would like the basketball championship in their backyard of KC every year which I think the other schools would oppose so I think there would be a lot of schools against those being permanate sites.

Ashamed to say it, but our owner has gone cuckoo. This party pass crap is lame. They sold 82,000 tickets with seats to the Gold Cup game with plenty of cheap seats sold. What does Jerry do. Puts the capacity in the 72,000 range for the "comfort" of the seated spectators, and puts 35,000 "Party Tickets" on sale so people can stand in the plazas. I know this was his plan all along to have this buzzing atmosphere in the plazas, but I think its crazy. The more seats out of the bowl, the more in the plaza(fire codes). Why not fill the bowl first? Lame, lame, lame, lame,lame. I hope people aren't buying this crap, but I know they will.


What about patrons who have seats getting in and out of their seats going to get food or to the restrooms? Wack, wack wack. He says he got the idea from Tampa, but says those people in the endzone plazas do have seats, but he doesn't give these people seats to get more people in. Wack, wack, wack. Seriously, why would anyone attend a Dallas Cowboys game?

Why are Dallas teams so full of crap? FCD does some inane crap too.

I guess Cuban is fan friendly, but he's also crazy.

Why are Dallas teams so full of crap? FCD does some inane crap too.

I guess Cuban is fan friendly, but he's also crazy.

are teams are full of crap?

I love the new Cotton Bowl but it did knock out the coolest aspect of the old one....you used to be able to see downtown out of the east end...no more.

Also, The new Cowboys/Texas Stadium Dueix will probably rob all the top games, but trust that at least a couple of minor bowl games or championships will take it's place in the Cotton Bowl. Not to mention some very cool concerts I hope. I doubt I will be paying Jerry's price for a concert anytime soon unless he keeps that $29 section open.

DFW has a very weird sports cloud hanging over the whole area. While both the Stars and Cowboys have pierced the veil to win championships, they are few and far between these days.

Why are Dallas teams so full of crap? FCD does some inane crap too.

I guess Cuban is fan friendly, but he's also crazy.

as compared to allll the other teams who do things perfectly?

I like the concept of this new stadium. I love the large arches and the open glass wall on one of the endzones. There are a few things i dont like about it though. Im not a fan of the HUGE video boards hanging over the field. They just seem to take away from the feel of being in such a large stadium, since you cant see the majority of the other side of it. Its nice having large HD video boards but they shouldnt take center stage in a stadium like this. The idea is to come and watch whats happening on the field live. I can sit and watch an HDTV of the game in the comfort of my own home if thats what i want to do and for alot less money and probly a much better picture. I also dont really understand the need for field level suites? Either way this is going to be a premier venue for the cowboys and their fans to enjoy. A huge step up from the dump over in Irving. Even though im not a fan of suburban venues this location should work well in this case. The infustructure is already there and this place will sit empty most of the year. Plus its inbetween Dallas and Ft. Worth so it doesnt favor one city over the other. I just wish the Ballpark next door had been an urban ballpark.

Is it my imagination or is the concrete in the stadium getting whiter. Does anyone know if it is being polished or something?

I hope they paint all the cement on the ground level walls navy blue, and place white stars on them. Would make it look more like the Cowboy's Stadium.

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Yeah, Six Flags over Texas in the backround! :banana:

Madden Tournament

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all I have to say is YES,back to navy blue endzones

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still a work in progress

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Where are the Super Bowl banners? also, do they have a special corner for all the retired numbers, division tittles etc...

Where are the Super Bowl banners? also, do they have a special corner for all the retired numbers, division tittles etc...

They could be in the concourse I don't why but who knows

Where are the Super Bowl banners? also, do they have a special corner for all the retired numbers, division tittles etc...

those are probably waiting for the season opener when they can have a huge celebration and raise them before we beat the crap out of the Giants in week 2. The Ring of honor is in between both LED Video banner rings and there are the names of the greatest football players, another thing that will probably be saved for a home opener so they can be re dedicated in the new stadium.

This season will all about celebrating opening the new cathedral for the Dallas Cowboys and honoring the greats that have come before.

Video from the open house

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.... before we beat the crap out of the Giants in week 2.

Yeah I don't know about that.

Where is the star at the 50 yard line?

Where is the star at the 50 yard line?

The field wasnt finished in the photo

The field wasnt finished in the photo

I can see that, I just figured stuff like the end zones and center logos would all come pre-painted on the field turf.

Infill turfs have lines, markers and symbols cut and sewn or velcro taped into the pad.

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Standard procedure for infill type turfs. Makes the things like endzones and special field markers easy to replace. They will have to take a week to do the same for the college/high school fields as well. Once everything is inlaid, they can quickly roll up each field and put down another in a day.

loven the navy blue

Though i would drop the helmets and just put a star in is place.

I had no idea that the fields were that intricate. I honestly thought they were simpler than that. I thought it was just a roll in roll out type of deal. Oh well i guess you learn something new every day.

Yeah, Six Flags over Texas in the backround! :banana:

incredible structure...massive.

100 pages well done!

What is up with the little structure under the video board?

What is up with the little structure under the video board?

concert lighting rig for Sir Paul McCartney's concert next week. That's why they're assembling the NFL field now. Next week will be the first test of how quickly they can turn the stadium from large concert to football.

Something to see off the field at Cowboys Stadium: Contemporary art
At a stadium that’s full of things to see, a few pieces will stand out

BY SUSAN SCHROCK
sschrock@star-telegram.com

They are three things fans can enjoy at Cowboys Stadium concession stands.

The $1.15 billion stadium is expected to feature at least 14 contemporary art pieces, from dramatic metal sculptures suspended over the entryways to vibrant, abstract paintings over the stairways, pedestrian ramps and concession stands.

The artwork, commissioned and paid for by Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones and his wife, Gene, is expected to be complete when the team plays its first regular-season home game Sept. 20 against the New York Giants.

"At the beginning of the project, we knew we wanted more than just a stadium. We wanted something for all walks of life," Gene Jones said Tuesday during a press tour of the works in progress. "We felt like this grand stadium, with its great architecture, needed a great art collection."

The works, designed for specific areas of the stadium, capture the spirit of the game or complement the stadium’s design, Jones family members said.

In one piece, Annette Lawrence’s Coin Toss, wires stretched between two walls form a cone with a twist in the middle to represent the flip of a tossed coin through air.

Artist Mel Bochner’s Win! simply features 16 exclamations ranging from "Whomp ’Em!" to "Bring ’Em to their Knees."

"I think they are all so appropriate for our stadium. They have strength and movement and power," Gene Jones said. "We like to compare it to what is going on on the field."

On Tuesday, artist Dave Muller and his crew continued work on Solar Arrangement. The painting, above one of the concession stands, features a ball of dead leaves, a ball of popcorn and a ball of clover orbiting a large yellow rose.

Muller, a 44-year-old artist from Los Angeles, said his inspiration came from his childhood fascination with the universe.

"I figured I wouldn’t want to have anybody looking at something I wouldn’t want to look at while waiting for a hot dog," said Muller, who added that he believes art must be understandable.

Charlotte Anderson, daughter of Gene and Jerry Jones, said putting paintings over the concession areas will reach more people than just having artwork at the entrances or in areas with limited access, such as the suites.

"This is truly where everybody will have a chance to enjoy it," said Anderson, who, along with the Joneses’ niece Melissa Meeks, played a prominent role in the art program.

Muller is honored that the Jones family chose not only to display his work but also to expose sports fans and concertgoers to contemporary art.

"To me, it’s important that art is re-established in society, that it’s just as important as anything else," Muller said.

The Jones family plans to expand the collection and eventually create an art education program with classes and tours.

SUSAN SCHROCK

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Some coverage of the big screens today by my friends over at GBTV

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Cowboys Stadium's economic impact felt before Cowboys' season even begins
12:00 AM CDT on Sunday, August 9, 2009

By JEFF MOSIER / The Dallas Morning News
jmosier@dallasnews.com

The Dallas Cowboys have yet to play a down in Arlington, but the impact of the team's new stadium is already being felt in the local economy.

At least 80 percent of Arlington's hotel rooms were filled for the Cowboys Stadium debut concert with George Strait in June, and the municipal airport was packed with private planes. Tourism officials said the 4,000 room-nights booked for that weekend were comparable to Arlington's largest conventions.

"It would have been hard to find a hotel room the night of the George Strait concert," said Jay Burress, president and CEO of the Arlington Convention & Visitors Bureau.

The stadium is expected to flood North Texas with visitors – perhaps 200,000 of them – for the 2011 Super Bowl. However other events, including more concerts and Cowboys games, are likely to provide a smaller but measurable boost for the city's struggling tourism industry.

The Arlington CVB has fielded calls from international tour operators who plan to bring busloads of fans to every game.

Burress said he hopes to hire a company to calculate the stadium's economic impact. For now, the numbers are preliminary, and the impact is based partially on rough estimates.

Despite attracting 60,000 fans for the debut concert, Arlington's average hotel room rate in June dropped to $77.83 from $80.19 in June 2008. Occupancy also dropped to 67.5 percent in June compared with 73.8 percent a year earlier.

"It shows how far down we would have been if we would not have had those events," Burress said.

Effect on Fort Worth
David DuBois, president and CEO of the Fort Worth Convention & Visitors Bureau, said he's seen an increase in attendance at Cowtown attractions, such as the zoo and Sundance Square, during the first two large concerts and soccer matches. He said hotel bookings weren't significantly higher and probably wouldn't be for concerts and Cowboys games.

"They [Arlington] will always be the first ones benefiting from the stadium," he said.

But John Cychol, the Fort Worth CVB's vice president of meeting sales, said he expects a huge impact from other events, such as Super Bowl XLV and the Big 12 football championship. Fort Worth hotels already have 20,000 room-nights booked for stadium events and that's likely to increase by 50 percent by the time they arrive, he said.

For comparison, the city's largest conventions generate 10,000 room-nights.

John Binder, owner of San Antonio-based Awesome Tickets, has been bringing busloads of fans to Cowboys games for more than a decade. The groups range from 60 to 120 fans who live anywhere from the Texas Hill Country to the Rio Grande Valley.

Despite the large fan base, Binder said demand among his customers could slip this year. It cost him an extra $150 for each ticket, which means tour prices have increased.

"With the pricing the way it is in that new stadium, it's been more difficult," Binder said. The expense of tickets hasn't been a barrier for Andrew Hill, owner of Sports Travel Tours based in England. He has 12 season tickets and access to more when needed, as well as a clientele with a bigger budget.

He sells customized sports packages mainly to the niche market of European football enthusiasts.

Hill expects to have at least a dozen people at the first regular season game in September. He said some will try to see as many football games as possible in their trip to the U.S. and others will watch one game, then see the sights.

Mixed results
At Arlington's new Hilton Garden Inn, general manager John Webber said he's nearly full for most upcoming events at the nearby stadium.

Webber said he was sold out for the Strait concert and the rooms were also full when the Jonas Brothers played. He said it appeared that many families made the concert a weekend getaway.

State sales tax figures have not been released yet for June or July, so it's not clear how those numbers were affected by the stadium opening.

Pam Dawson, manager of Lincoln Square shopping center, which is less than a mile from the stadium, said it's too early so say how the venue would affect her tenants. She would only describe the preliminary results as mixed.

Dawson said she hopes that residents realize soon they don't need to avoid the area. People were so fearful of traffic jams that north Arlington became a ghost town during the Strait concert, she said.

That dynamic is often cited by stadium researchers as a factor that should be considered in economic studies. The venue draws people who wouldn't normally go to that area, but it also discourages others who would normally shop or eat there.

interesting with the blocked views created buy the air conditioning ducts. Seems they could easily angle that off, but I bet they sell cheap tickets for them knowing Jerry.

Meadowlands stadium is actually great, it's the "xanadu" shopping center that makes me scream in my sleep & my eyes bleed.

I saw this guy being built on discovery channel, it looks like quite a festival of engineering feats.

Go EAGLES!! ;)

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Nice drawing! Thanks for posting that....can't wait to take the tour.

I need to go take a tour as well, but i dont think my cameras memory card is big enough (HAHA)

AMAZING :applause:

I'm hoping for a BCS tittle game to be played here in the future.

They say the place is 95% sold for the season. I'm wondering if its the club seats that aren't selling. About a month ago, it was said they were only 2/3 sold. Obviously that gap has closed, but it will be interesting to see if there are blackouts for the non-NFC East home games.

They say the place is 95% sold for the season. I'm wondering if its the club seats that aren't selling. About a month ago, it was said they were only 2/3 sold. Obviously that gap has closed, but it will be interesting to see if there are blackouts for the non-NFC East home games.

The seats that need to be sold out to avoid a blackout doesn't include club seats. A stadium's blackout number is the number of non-premium seats it has so if you're correct about the club seats being the seats unsold then the Cowboys are safe from blackouts.

concert lighting rig for Sir Paul McCartney's concert next week. That's why they're assembling the NFL field now. Next week will be the first test of how quickly they can turn the stadium from large concert to football.

I can't believe Paul McCartney is still performing. What is he, 70 years old? One of these days he's liable to croak right in the middle of a concert. Afterwards they're gonna say: "Oh well, he died with his boots on, like a trooper!"

Whattya nuts? How old do you think BB King is? Hell...70 is the new 50. Now Keith Richards is another story.....he's 62 or so and looks 80.

Ready for football in Arlington... almost

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I love this stadium it is just massive

The star of Fox's Cowboys-Titans broadcast will be...
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...Cowboys Stadium.

Troy Aikman and HBO talk show host Joe Buck will call Friday's exhibition game at the JonesMahal with Pam Oliver walking the sidelines. But I'm saying shots of the stadium will play a significant role in the broadcast.

Fox plans a Jerry Jones guided tour of the stadium with Curt Menefee along for the oohs and aahs.

And this won't be the last Jones-led tour of the stadium. You can be sure that when NBC broadcasts the first regular-season game from the stadium against the Giants on the night of Sept. 20, there will be a NBC version of the tour, perhaps with Al Michaels.

And when ESPN gets its hands on the stadium for the Sept. 28 MNF game against Carolina, you can be sure that network will attempt to re-invent the guided tour.

Why will all the networks ooh and aah at the JonesMahal? Well, for one it is a billion-dollar wonder. For another, Jones is powerful member of the NFL TV committee and you can be sure he wants to nation to see his latest invention. The nets are only too happy to accommodate.