Dallas Cowboys set to rock the house in new stadium
12:33 AM CDT on Friday, August 21, 2009

By DAVID MOORE / The Dallas Morning News
dmoore@dallasnews.com

ARLINGTON – His first view of the architectural goliath came on a flight back to Dallas. Even from 6,000 feet, the scale was impressive.

Marion Barber has driven by the Cowboys Stadium several times since. Each time, he's felt compelled to pull off to the side of the road and gaze.

"I'm pumped," said Barber, the Cowboys' running back. "I can't wait to get up in there."

The wait is over.

The stadium has hosted George Strait, the Jonas Brothers, Paul McCartney and the soccer elite since it opened its doors in June. But tonight will be the first time it will feature performances by Tony Romo, Jason Witten, DeMarcus Ware and Co.

The team's first game in Cowboys Stadium kicks off at 7 tonight against the Tennessee Titans. If you are tempted to downplay the significance of this moment and point to the team's regular-season game against the New York Giants on Sept. 20 as the true opener; if you want to dismiss this as a soft opening, don't tell the players.

"You know how people have grand openings, and it's really not a grand opening because the place has been open for like a month?" receiver Patrick Crayton asked. "That seems ridiculous to me.

"This is the grand opening."

The dimensions are staggering. The stadium boasts the largest column-free room in the world, stretching a quarter-mile and consuming three million square feet. You could open the retractable roof, air-drop the Statue of Liberty onto the field, then close the roof without scraping the statue's tip.

Owner Jerry Jones hasn't announced the club's intention to do this, but don't put it past him.

"How many wonders do we have in the world?" Crayton asked. "Seven? Is it still seven? Then this is eight and eight and a half."

The Detroit Lions don't have much of a football team, but they do have a beautiful stadium. Ford Field is one of the largest structures in the NFL and hosted the Super Bowl in 2006.

Receiver Roy Williams played for the Lions. After the Cowboys acquired him in a trade, Jones gave him a clear picture of what to expect.

"You can pick that stadium [Ford Field] up and put it inside this stadium," Williams said. "Jerry told me not just the field, but the whole stadium.

"That's puts it into perspective on how big this thing is."

The players were given a tour of the new stadium in June before the Jonas Brothers concert. The field wasn't down, and crews were still feverishly at work to finish out the details.

The size. The futuristic look of the stadium with its steel arches and glass. The liberal sprinkling of TV screens around the stadium, so many that Crayton said you can't miss them "unless you close your eyes and put a coat on your head."

Surreal is the word Witten uses to describe the Cowboys' new home. Perhaps the most surreal aspect of all is the video board.

"How big is it, six stories and 60 yards long?" Ware asked. "HD? That looks good when you're sacking somebody on that."

The screen stretches from one 20-yard line to the other. It's 160 feet wide and 71 feet tall.

"The first thing I thought was, 'Man, if I could hook my Playstation up to this thing,' " Williams said.

"My dream since that day is getting the first touchdown in that stadium. I know I'm going to have the first first down. I usually give my touchdown balls and gloves away to little kids, but I'm going to keep those things."

There has been speculation that Mat McBriar will boom a punt into the video board before the season is over since it hangs 100 feet above the field. He doesn't expect that will be an issue. But what about the perception of kicking field goals into a glass background? What will happen on a deep post route when the receiver looks up and sees the board looming overhead like the Death Star in Star Wars?

"I guess the greatest example is in high school," backup quarterback Jon Kitna said. "You play basketball, and you play in gyms with tight walls, and then you go to the state playoffs in these big arenas, and the spatial part of it is different.

"We'll see what it's like."

Depth perception isn't the only thing at work here. Jones' perception is that these lavish surroundings should inspire his team to a higher level of performance.

"I don't know, because that's a billion dollar stadium," Crayton said. "Nobody on this team has a billion dollars ... except for Jerry.

"He owns the place. It's his house. I just think we need to put on a good show."

The first show is tonight.

"I know as players we look forward to getting out there and competing in a place that is obviously going to be unique," Romo said. "I think it means a lot to a lot of different people, including us.

"We're going to try to make it special for everybody."

players talk about playing first game in new stadium

http://www.dallasnews.com/video/dallasnews/hp/index.html?nvid=388481&shu=1

report on tailgating

http://www.dallasnews.com/video/dallasnews/wfaa/index.html?nvid=391207&shu=1

Theres been talk that this new stadium wont be very loud during the Cowboy's games due to the fact that seats are so expensive. People seem to think that there will be a majority of corporate attendees to the games that arent the type to cheer loudly. I guess we'll see come september when the first regular season game is played at home. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

This morning on the news we learned the following from Jody Dean, the new PA announcer:

There will be no star at the 50 yard line until the regular season opener. Apparently there will be a big ceremony along with unveiling the new ring of honor and the Tom Landry statue along with other surprises. He wouldn't say, but there will likely be 50th anniversary signage and field markings as well as the stadium logo.

The turf brand and model is for the two football field's is RealGrass Matrix, but its not the same that other clients get. Apparently these fields have even softer blades and use a green crygenic infill instead of larger black granules which is supposed to stop the weird lighting effect that you see on tv with infill turfs. Then they talked to the installer who confirmed this is a first of its kind turf. They showed the infill and how thick, yet soft the turf is. There's also an extra padding added under the football fields.

- The soccer field was completely different and manufactured in Switzerland.

- The concrete is having blue cladding and the familiar stars added at field level. Looked good on the video!

- The stadium finish out still has a lot of work that has yet to be done inside and out and the work is on schedule to easily finish before the home opener.

- The bowl capacity is set to 75,000 for regular season games and the width between seats varies by section. They showed how the armrests snap out and the seats slide together. You could see that there is space left on each side of the arm rest.

- The capacity with the seats together is over just over 94,000

- The chief architect said the arches have 6 inches of travel

- The chief architect also said there that some visitors to the stadium have inquired him on designing something bigger and better for them, but nothing formal, just inquiring about costs.

- They've put up even more LEDs and some huge signage covering up the stair platforms at each end. I was wondering if it would be dangerous and create a bottleneck if patrons were allowed to stand there. Problem solved.

Theres been talk that this new stadium wont be very loud during the Cowboy's games due to the fact that seats are so expensive. People seem to think that there will be a majority of corporate attendees to the games that arent the type to cheer loudly. I guess we'll see come september when the first regular season game is played at home. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

This is my completely unbiased opinion. Ive been to 4 games at Texas Stadium. Not once did I get the feeling that I was an an amazing environment. The crowd was lazy, sitting on their hands for a lot of the game. Its got kinda loud on 3rd down at times, but that was about it. For a stadium with a roof, and the supposed best fans in the country, I was not impressed. All during two Redskins games, 4 games that I thought would have great environments.

Now I'll compare that experience with my home field experience. I had the pleasure of going to many a game at RFK, and it topped Texas Stadium in a landslide. After FedEx was built, there was a DRAMATIC decline in the atmosphere at games because seats were so expensive. It got worse when Snyder built the club level section.

If it changed that much from RFK to FedEx, then I dont even know how bad its going to be in Dallas.

If someone told you that Texas Stadium was loud, then they simply didn't know what they were talking about. Texas Stadium has always been a quieter venue. Always a more corporate crowd. It began to change at the end of its life though. Definitely a difference in the last 5 years or so.

Its no different than UT where 86,000 season tickets were sold. Who do you think bought those? Just never gonna be loud. The common man down here stays home.
The difference is, this is new to you guys. This is how its been since the early 70s for us. Welcome to football the Tex Schramm/Jerry Jones way. Its not laziness. Its just that you have a crowd of lawyers, doctors and middle management, they are not screamers. If Jerry cared how loud the stadium was, he'd cut the ticket prices and set the capacity to 94,000 like he can. The demand is easily there. But he wants money, so prepare for sterile. Talk smack about it all day. We don't care. Its been like that here for a long time.

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If someone told you that Texas Stadium was loud, then they simply didn't know what they were talking about. Texas Stadium has always been a quieter venue. Always a more corporate crowd. It began to change at the end of its life though. Definitely a difference in the last 5 years or so.

Its no different than UT where 86,000 season tickets were sold. Who do you think bought those? Just never gonna be loud. The common man down here stays home.
The difference is, this is new to you guys. This is how its been since the early 70s for us. Welcome to football the Tex Schramm/Jerry Jones way. Its not laziness. Its just that you have a crowd of lawyers, doctors and middle management, they are not screamers. If Jerry cared how loud the stadium was, he'd cut the ticket prices and set the capacity to 94,000 like he can. The demand is easily there. But he wants money, so prepare for sterile. Talk smack about it all day. We don't care. Its been like that here for a long time.

Yep...you hit the nail...been like that since I first went to a game in the early 70's. Expect the two areas where the tix are $29 or so to be loud though...there'll be more than a few commoners in those areas....except of course those where he fills the areas with seats [as in playoffs]....if they make it that far that is.

Yep...you hit the nail...been like that since I first went to a game in the early 70's. Expect the two areas where the tix are $29 or so to be loud though...there'll be more than a few commoners in those areas....except of course those where he fills the areas with seats [as in playoffs]....if they make it that far that is.

I don't even expect those areas to be loud. That $29 gets you access to all the 6 decks and the outside concourses. You can actually see the two end zone screens pretty well and they're supposed to have screens out there during the regular season.

Recipe for silence. Its tradition.

- The bowl capacity is set to 75,000 for regular season games and the width between seats varies by section. They showed how the armrests snap out and the seats slide together. You could see that there is space left on each side of the arm rest.

- The capacity with the seats together is over just over 94,000

- The chief architect said the arches have 6 inches of travel

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a few questions about this :

it has 94 000 just bu removing the armrests and sliding all seats togheter !?!?!? youre saying it has a " european " capacity of 94 000 , without even putting temporary stands in the endzones ? :O then this stadium should be able to hold like 110 000 for a football game if you maxout the capacity right ?

by the armrest " snap out " do you mean removing them or just compressing them tighter to the seats ?

what did he mean by the arches having 6 inches of travel ?

Correct, the armrests clamp to the rails just like the seats do. Take them out and you have like 3 inches between each seat. Slide them together and you get a "European" capacity of a little over 94,000. Add party passes and yes, you're talking about a lot of people. The certification which Jerry also proudly showed off will allow 111,000 and that's what they expect for the NFC East home games.

The main structural arches move up and down and side to side about 6 inches at the top of the arch. No different than other large structures.

I'm watching the pregame and the place looks great. Fans seem to love the party pass and the tailgating areas. Everyone is pleasantly surprised.

Wow, I know this a preseason game, but this place is really quiet.

Fans far from field + high ticket prices = so long homefield!

Hope this is what Jerry wanted.

AWESOME !!! :D but in that case 93 000 for superbowl doesn't make any sence .. i mean if ANYTHING is a reason to max out capacity , its the superbowl .. ;)

what is the maximim bowl capacity if every seat has an armrest ? is it 86 000 ?

"They can't hit the video board" someone said.

You were wrong. It wasn't just some random boomer either, it was the first game.

"They can't hit the video board" someone said.

You were wrong. It wasn't just some random boomer either, it was the first game.


So they'll just crank it up 10 feet. Some of you act like you want it removed. And if you were watching the game, no other punt even got close to hitting it. Based on the location of the board, that guy was trying to hit it unless he was purposely kicking a midfield punt straight in the air.

as for the noise, sounds like a normal stadium. Honestly I didn't give a shit. It was football, and it looked and sounded great in HD and DD 5.1 . Texas Stadium was never loud anyway, but that's not the impression I got. Was pretty good for a preseason game.

a few questions about this :

it has 94 000 just bu removing the armrests and sliding all seats togheter !?!?!? youre saying it has a " european " capacity of 94 000 , without even putting temporary stands in the endzones ? :O then this stadium should be able to hold like 110 000 for a football game if you maxout the capacity right ?

by the armrest " snap out " do you mean removing them or just compressing them tighter to the seats ?

what did he mean by the arches having 6 inches of travel ?

No....94,000 also includes tons of temp seats in the $29 'deck' areas. Yes there will be armrests moved and chairs sliding but there will also be many added for the big events.

Oh and the 6" of travel means there's that much deflection in the arches...much like tall building sway.

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No....94,000 also includes tons of temp seats in the $29 'deck' areas. Yes there will be armrests moved and chairs sliding but there will also be many added for the big events.

Oh and the 6" of travel means there's that much deflection in the arches...much like tall building sway.

Nah, they said ~6,000 added seats in the bowl for every inch. So we're talking 18,000 + 75,000 = 93,000 give or take. This is the number they gave for the Superbowl bid as well. Jerry has also stated he absolutely doesn't want risers in the endzone decks, but will if that's what is required.

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it actually looks like the Field level suites have a great view

Wow the stadium looks great with all the Cowboys decorations in place.

Where's the star?

Where's the star?

Ceremony for the star, Landry statue and ring of honor coming for the opener.

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A punt hits the Jerrytron and the Okie says: "Hell, it ain't that mah videoscreen's too low, it's that kicker's fault fer kickin' it too darn high!":lol:

Dumb hick...:ohno:

Can soccer be played at the new Cowboys Stadium?

What is the standard capacity for this stadium?

If you remove the armrests and stuff, can you hit the 100,000 like Jerry said it would?

A punt hits the Jerrytron and the Okie says: "Hell, it ain't that mah videoscreen's too low, it's that kicker's fault fer kickin' it too darn high!":lol:

Dumb hick...:ohno:


If you watched the broadcast, that guy and the Titans coach were obsessed with it from the moment they arrived. The Cowboys pro bowl punter didn't hit it and said it shouldn't be hit. So now they'll move it up. What will you complain about next? Stadium is too nice?

A friend of mine from Texas says that the party pass is one of the best things they could've done. :) Too bad its still expensive as hell!

If you watched the broadcast, that guy and the Titans coach were obsessed with it from the moment they arrived. The Cowboys pro bowl punter didn't hit it and said it shouldn't be hit. So now they'll move it up. What will you complain about next? Stadium is too nice?

I'm not complaining about anything, I'm just making fun of the hick's reaction. You an Okie too? Go Cabboys!

I'm not complaining about anything, I'm just making fun of the hick's reaction. You an Okie too? Go Cabboys!

Texas-Ex as in University of Texas from Dallas buddy. There's nothing Okie about me

Jerry Jones is from Arkansas.

watching Cowboys Special Edition show. Official Max capacity was just listed as 111,947 including standing room only. They expect to push this number in the home opener.

Since Jerry hasn't come out with a 50th Anniversary Patch, here is my submission!
http://www.etffl.com/cowboys50.gif
What do ya think?

watching Cowboys Special Edition show. Official Max capacity was just listed as 111,947 including standing room only. They expect to push this number in the home opener.

Wow, amazing number. Im crossing my finger and hoping. Ill be glued to the TV for the home opener against the giants and the Damn TV network better show all the ceremonies.

Since Jerry hasn't come out with a 50th Anniversary Patch, here is my submission!
http://www.etffl.com/cowboys50.gif
What do ya think?

That would have worked back in the 80's.

Today is all about boxing out and outlines and hard shading on logos.

Like my Super Bowl 45 Logo Submission... work in progress still.

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a110/Dallasbrink/SUperBowlXLV-2-2.jpg

Other Real Examples

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Todays event logos are about "BOOM" impact.

Ok, back to the stadium.... i was sooo excited to watch it on tv i was like a little school girl at a johnas brothers concert





Video of change from Concert mode to NFL mode in 24 hours.
http://www.dallasnews.com/video/dallasnews/hp/index.html?nvid=391358&shu=1

Stadium Christening by FANS!
http://www.dallasnews.com/video/dallasnews/wfaa/index.html?nvid=391423&shu=1

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^^ Four different angles of the same play? Sweet!

This is with no doubt one of the best stadiums, or if not the best stadium in the whole world, good for the cowboys… I hope to visit it pretty soon…:banana:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Two-great-seats-at-Cowboys-Stadium-if-you-happe;_ylt=AuJWDC9zSp0Jcy.SzMaVABZDubYF?urn=nfl,184733

Amazing Stadium!!!

I didn't realize there were small displays on the end of the big one. Four viewing angles, like another one said. That's awesome. This is really state-of-the-art. I'm just glad I had a chance to go to Texas Stadium while I could.

I know it is not being a big issue on this forum, however, I am getting tired of all the focus in the national media and other forums about this stadium, is that a punt hit the scoreboard.

I posted the following on a Dallas Cowboys forum:

Well the fact that the punter was trying to hit the scoreboard or not is not known and doesn't matter. All I know is I was there, and the return man was backing up when it hit the scoreboard. Meaning that the punt was going to be long. This issue is an embarrasment to the Cowboy organization and it's true fans. Jerry has said many times that this stadium is built to last 50+ years. If this is true, you have to think 50+ years into the future. 30 Years ago, only 1 punter could have hit this scoreboard, Ray Guy. Now I would be willing to bet that about half of the punters in this league can hit it. In about 30+ years, the scoreboard, if not raised, will be a big distraction if every other punt hits it.

Point: Raise the scoreboard 30 feet. What in the world will 30 freakin feet mean anyway. And it will stop all this stupid crap that is taking away from the greatest stadium ever built.

I have been watching this stadium being built since ground breaking, and it is saddening that the only d*mn thing I am hearing about is the scoreboard being too low! When I should be hearing about how outragiously beautiful this structure is.

Fact. The NFL and Jerry are both to blame (the NFL for setting its standards way too low, and Jerry for not having the foresight to prevent this from being an issue) and they should both get together and fix this stupid problem.

I read that it would cost roughly $2 million to raise the scoreboard 20 feet.

How is that possible, its on a cable system, shouldn't they be able to raise and lower it at will like any arena's center hung board? I know it's way bigger and heavier but if this really is the most advanced stadium you'd think raising the scoreboard a few feet would be kind of a non issue.

No it is not a non issue. They had to call in a crane to raise it this week for the U2 concert. Their stage is 165 feet tall, so the scoreboard goes up as we speak...if it were a non issue the crane wouldn't have to be called in.

You guys know the media....they blow everything out of proportion for ratings and viewers. We're all tired of them but we all live with it. If ya don't like it ignore it. And for sure don't keep the BS going by posting something you wrote on another forum FROM THE SAME SUBJECT YOU HATE!

$2million to raise the scoreboard 20ft? I'll do it myself for a fraction of that cost.... How could it possibly cost that much? Would they have to physically change the structure to make it work at a higher spot or are they just over doing it? Either way I scored some tickets to the game against the panters here the end of september. Hopefully seeing the inside of this place in person will change my opinion about the video screens being over the field.

No it is not a non issue. They had to call in a crane to raise it this week for the U2 concert.

So it is already being raised for the U2 concert... when they lower it back down, why can't they just not lower it as far as it was? Are they also saying that it is costing $2 million to raise it for the U2 concert?

Something is not adding up!

Matthew

No it is not a non issue. They had to call in a crane to raise it this week for the U2 concert. Their stage is 165 feet tall, so the scoreboard goes up as we speak...if it were a non issue the crane wouldn't have to be called in.

You guys know the media....they blow everything out of proportion for ratings and viewers. We're all tired of them but we all live with it. If ya don't like it ignore it. And for sure don't keep the BS going by posting something you wrote on another forum FROM THE SAME SUBJECT YOU HATE!

Blowing out of proportion?

A freaking ball hit the scoreboard!

I think thats a real problem.

I believe the reason it can't just be raised with cables is because of the Mitsubishi advertising. Permanent moving of the screens, plus the Mitsubishi advertisements, which are its own structure, would cost $2 million I read.

Blowing out of proportion?

A freaking ball hit the scoreboard!

I think thats a real problem.

Fine....just realize we don't all share your view.

I never heard a word about an amount to raise the scoreboard. $2 million to raise the scoreboard 75' might not be such a stretch considering the manpower, the crane, the riggin changes, etc.

ok seriously how is it possible to build obstructed views in a brand new stadium ?
i mean its one thing at for example olympiastadion in berlin , since it had to have colums supporting the roof. but on this stadium and the new yankee stadium , its ust a case of putting seats right next to a wall, without realizeing that it cuts off the sightlines...

http://deadspin.com/5344216/cowboys-stadium-offers-valuable-seating-behind-this-brick-wall

and if you look at the pictures of the stadium , the top of the upper tier is filled with colums at the back , who all of them appear to have seats just next to them... how can architects not reallize that putting something right next to a wall will not let them see what is diagonaly behind that wall ? It's like the first chapter in stadium construction for dummies....

If these seats are actually being sold (it could be just another Tivoli situation), then for a stadium that cost this much that really is unacceptable.

If these seats are actually being sold (it could be just another Tivoli situation), then for a stadium that cost this much that really is unacceptable.

Considering the quality of team Jerry has put on the field the last decade, they should be giving away seats! Kidding, about giving away seats, but it is pretty sad that there are such seats in these new stadiums.

How is that possible, its on a cable system, shouldn't they be able to raise and lower it at will like any arena's center hung board? I know it's way bigger and heavier but if this really is the most advanced stadium you'd think raising the scoreboard a few feet would be kind of a non issue.

it is bolted into place. It is not on a system like most arenas cluster because its to big and to heavy. When it was raised that had to bring in large collapsable cranes to run their lift cables through a pulley system to get it in place. There is a video some 40 pages back i think. To lift it you would have to bring these cranes back in, re rig the lift system, lift it 30 feet, cut off all the extra cable and electric cords then re bolt it in place.

Now for the funny part in all this. Those screens will be raised 20 feet for one night when U2 comes through because their special stage thing will hit it.

Bono can cure world hunger, end fighting in Africa and raise the largest screens in the world for one night!

Also Cowboys Punter Matt McBriar said he could hit it if he wanted to but does not hit it when he sends his punts 60-50 yards down the field.

Not surprising that you have punts hitting the scoreboard. Granted, in regular season the chances of someone hitting it will be low but the mere fact that it is possible means that it WILL happen.

Now for the funny part in all this. Those screens will be raised 20 feet for one night when U2 comes through because their special stage thing will hit it.

Bono can cure world hunger, end fighting in Africa and raise the largest screens in the world for one night!

Actually you are way off. U2's stage is 164 feet tall...the scoreboard was at 90....they have to raise it more than 75 feet just to clear the stage setup.

If these seats are actually being sold (it could be just another Tivoli situation), then for a stadium that cost this much that really is unacceptable.

i think its unacceptable that seats like this can even exist in a modern stadium!!! i mean , isnt "EVERY seat being able to see the entire field and prefferably ALOT more than that " the most important criteria of any stadium ?

cause obstructions caused by overhangs , which make you not see the top of the stand on the other side is BAD , but not being able to see the field because someone put a seat next to a collumn / wall is just unacceptable !!!!

Fine....just realize we don't all share your view.

I never heard a word about an amount to raise the scoreboard. $2 million to raise the scoreboard 75' might not be such a stretch considering the manpower, the crane, the riggin changes, etc.

Dont get too lost in the "greatest stadium in the world" hype. It clearly does have its flaws, and if it happened at any other stadium you would probably have a problem with it.

It IS a problem. Anything capable of being hit needs to be moved.

Dont get too lost in the "greatest stadium in the world" hype. It clearly does have its flaws, and if it happened at any other stadium you would probably have a problem with it.

It IS a problem. Anything capable of being hit needs to be moved.

I am the last one that suffers from hype loss....I can't stand Jerry Jones and I rarely watch the games. I know the stadium will be 'king' much shorter than Burj Dubai will. I will likely never buy a ticket to a Cowboy Game unless I get the $29 special on a lark.

I don't know why everyone is swo worried about a kicker hitting the board....I guess you have never seen a home run hit a scoreboard, huh? It happened and it might again. once teams realize it doesn't help them [and in most cases will actually hurt them] they'll stop.

Cant stop :drool: about this stadium, its so cool, congrats! :okay:

Looking forward to see some pics of U2 in concert :rock:

I am the last one that suffers from hype loss....I can't stand Jerry Jones and I rarely watch the games. I know the stadium will be 'king' much shorter than Burj Dubai will. I will likely never buy a ticket to a Cowboy Game unless I get the $29 special on a lark.

I don't know why everyone is swo worried about a kicker hitting the board....I guess you have never seen a home run hit a scoreboard, huh? It happened and it might again. once teams realize it doesn't help them [and in most cases will actually hurt them] they'll stop.

Home runs off a scoreboard is different because they are behind the outfield walls. Hitting this scoreboard will directly disrupt the play ... the baseball equivalent would be hitting the catwalk in Tropicana Field.

Home runs off a scoreboard is different because they are behind the outfield walls. Hitting this scoreboard will directly disrupt the play ... the baseball equivalent would be hitting the catwalk in Tropicana Field.

So do you think the league will make Jerry move it?

Home runs off a scoreboard is different because they are behind the outfield walls. Hitting this scoreboard will directly disrupt the play ... the baseball equivalent would be hitting the catwalk in Tropicana Field.

this is only an issue with the Titans back up rookie punter. Let me say that again. A Rookie back up punter. Both starters never came close.

According to the Titans starting kicker, he hit the score board numerous times in warmup and believes that the board is within range for an average kicker in the league:

"I hit it probably a dozen times in pregame," Hentrich said. "Probably somewhere around a five-second punt is going to hit it and some of the guys in the league wouldn't be able to punt here if it's not raised; they'd just be nonstop hitting it. I don't know what the people were thinking. I guess they should have tested things out before they put that thing in place. It'll have to be raised."

I'm not saying that it is going to be happening every game but this single pre-season game has proven that it is possible. It is not a stretch to believe that this could happen at least once or twice in the regular season.

Hitting this scoreboard will directly disrupt the play

Yes it will. That's why teams should have kickers that try to kick it as close to the opposing end line, not the scoreboard or roof. That will only get the ball maybe halfway. I say Jerry should just raise the scoreboard to keep the whiners happy. But not until the league changes its rules. In the end it is the league's problem not the stadium's as the stadium was built according to their guidelines.

Yes it will. That's why teams should have kickers that try to kick it as close to the opposing end line, not the scoreboard or roof. That will only get the ball maybe halfway. I say Jerry should just raise the scoreboard to keep the whiners happy. But not until the league changes its rules. In the end it is the league's problem not the stadium's as the stadium was built according to their guidelines.

I think we all realize that in order to hit the scoreboard, you'd need to have a less than ideal trajectory on the kick. The point is that it should never have been possible under any circumstance. It doesn't matter who is to blame ... the league or the stadium administration. I just find it odd that not only was this idea pitched but that it also met approval from the ownership AND the league. A lot of people certainly did not do their due diligence on this.

OK...so why is the league height 85' if this is true? Is there another stadium with a scoreboard like this at the same or similar height? Has another team had to deal with kickers hitting their scoreboard?

Yes it will. That's why teams should have kickers that try to kick it as close to the opposing end line, not the scoreboard or roof. That will only get the ball maybe halfway. I say Jerry should just raise the scoreboard to keep the whiners happy. But not until the league changes its rules. In the end it is the league's problem not the stadium's as the stadium was built according to their guidelines.

Exactly!!

A question: will the NFL make them raise it for the Super Bowl? The most watched 3 hours of TV every year, the NFL wants everything to be PERFECT. Wouldn't surprise me if they made them raise it for the Super Bowl.

Matthew

this is only an issue with the Titans back up rookie punter. Let me say that again. A Rookie back up punter. Both starters never came close.

Ok.

Why should that matter? Another team could have a bad punter as the STARTER and it could happen again.

Please dont think that the stadium is bigger than the game. Its not.

I am the last one that suffers from hype loss....I can't stand Jerry Jones and I rarely watch the games. I know the stadium will be 'king' much shorter than Burj Dubai will. I will likely never buy a ticket to a Cowboy Game unless I get the $29 special on a lark.

I don't know why everyone is swo worried about a kicker hitting the board....I guess you have never seen a home run hit a scoreboard, huh? It happened and it might again. once teams realize it doesn't help them [and in most cases will actually hurt them] they'll stop.

Thats right...a baseball scoreboard is in play...

:bash:

OK...so why is the league height 85' if this is true? Is there another stadium with a scoreboard like this at the same or similar height? Has another team had to deal with kickers hitting their scoreboard?

No, no other team has had to deal with it, therefore the NFL had no real effective way to determine a regulation height.

Now they do.

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/08/24/colts-avoided-cowboys-problem-had-punter-test-scoreboard-heigh/

Hunter Smith hit the Colts' mock-up "more than" 50% of the time.

punt out not up. shit. McBriar can kick 50+ yards and not hit it

punt out not up. shit. McBriar can kick 50+ yards and not hit it

Doesnt matter. Thats just one guy.

punt out not up. shit. McBriar can kick 50+ yards and not hit it

A hang time oriented punter is going to hit more often than not, Mcbriar tends to be a directional punter, low balls angled towards the corners. A hang time punter like Mike Scifres is going to hit it 9 times out of ten without trying (which we may see later this year). Rob Bironas estimated that anything with more than 5 seconds hang time will hit it, and last I heard he should be pretty knowlagable about that sort of thing. Jerry is just going to have to get over it and raise it to 100' or 115' and then it would be out of the way for all intensive purposes.

A hang time oriented punter is going to hit more often than not, Mcbriar tends to be a directional punter, low balls angled towards the corners. A hang time punter like Mike Scifres is going to hit it 9 times out of ten without trying (which we may see later this year). Rob Bironas estimated that anything with more than 5 seconds hang time will hit it, and last I heard he should be pretty knowlagable about that sort of thing. Jerry is just going to have to get over it and raise it to 100' or 115' and then it would be out of the way for all intensive purposes.

This is true.

Lets remember, this is football not baseball. There are no quirky outfield dimensions or high outfield walls where a team can have any sort of advantage playing at home (except the crowd or weather).

I definitely consider a low hanging scoreboard as a home field advantage. One that shouldnt exist.

This is true.

Lets remember, this is football not baseball. There are no quirky outfield dimensions or high outfield walls where a team can have any sort of advantage playing at home (except the crowd or weather).

I definitely consider a low hanging scoreboard as a home field advantage. One that shouldnt exist.



Like a dog with a sock. ^^:ohno::nuts::bash: You always seem to have an answer for everything, but you miss the point entirely.

Punting isn't a vertical goal-oriented practice. It is there to get the ball downfield. Hitting the scoreboard is shooting off your own foot. That's not a home field advantage....it should actually work for both teams by making kickers punt for the long yardages.

Oh well, you will probably get your wish....the NFL is more than likely gonna have him move it up.

i understand the disscussion of the punt hitting the scoreboard , but am i the only one who is amazed that this stadium has seats where you cant see the field ?

i understand the disscussion of the punt hitting the scoreboard , but am i the only one who is amazed that this stadium has seats where you cant see the field ?

And they've been addressed by Jerry himself and won't be sold.

And they've been addressed by Jerry himself and won't be sold.


alright , but how many seats are we talking about ? should be atleast 500 if you look at how many collums there are up there ...

and this is not even why its bothering me , its : how can you be so clumsy that you BUILD seats with obstructed views in a new stadium ? dont the check sightlines BEFORE they build a billion dollar stadium !?!?!?

WHY THAT EXPENSIVE?? I think is ridicuolus besides it's anoying if the ball hits the scoreboard bounces back again I don't know it's dumb really

Like a dog with a sock. ^^:ohno::nuts::bash: You always seem to have an answer for everything, but you miss the point entirely.

Punting isn't a vertical goal-oriented practice. It is there to get the ball downfield. Hitting the scoreboard is shooting off your own foot. That's not a home field advantage....it should actually work for both teams by making kickers punt for the long yardages.

Oh well, you will probably get your wish....the NFL is more than likely gonna have him move it up.

Read Benn's post. What he says is true.

And it IS home field advantage when the home punter is used to kicking with the scoreboard there and the away punter isnt. Thats common sense.

Read Benn's post. What he says is true.

And it IS home field advantage when the home punter is used to kicking with the scoreboard there and the away punter isnt. Thats common sense.

Nope it isn't....like I said the idea is not to punt vertically...THAT IS COMMON SENSE. Don't need to read anything else about it.

As Jimmy Johnson said today on the radio....the idea isn't to kick anywhere other than the sidelines anyway, it isn't going to be an issue in regular season games. The guy punted it to the bottom of the board on purpose [another bit of common sense]. NO ONE IN HIS RIGHT MIND WILL DO THIS IN A GAME THAT MEANS SOMETHING.

i understand the disscussion of the punt hitting the scoreboard , but am i the only one who is amazed that this stadium has seats where you cant see the field ?

In a brand new no expenses spared stadium that's beyond poor. I won't get involved in the ball hitting the scoreboard discussion as I don't know enough about American Football to comment, but how can you build something this incredible and make such basic mistakes as putting seats in which don't have a full view of the field?

In a brand new no expenses spared stadium that's beyond poor. I won't get involved in the ball hitting the scoreboard discussion as I don't know enough about American Football to comment, but how can you build something this incredible and make such basic mistakes as putting seats in which don't have a full view of the field?


EXACTLY!! i mean so what if they dont sell those seats , how is it possible to make such a mistake ? same goes for new yankee stadium.. but seriously , with all these amazing computers nowadays , would it be to hard to do a sightline simulation of every seat !?!?!? you dont even need computers to spot that , if you put a ruler on the blueprints you would see it , but they still somehow missed it .... :ohno:

Blame HKS. They made the same cock-up with the new Indianapolis Colts stadium. :ohno:

alright , but how many seats are we talking about ? should be atleast 500 if you look at how many collums there are up there ...

and this is not even why its bothering me , its : how can you be so clumsy that you BUILD seats with obstructed views in a new stadium ? dont the check sightlines BEFORE they build a billion dollar stadium !?!?!?

LOL, HUGE exaggerations you're making.

- There are not 500 seats like that. Moore like 2-3 on each side of each large "column" which are air conditioning ducts and 1-2 on each of the normal columns.

- Jerry Jones said any obstructed view seats will be removed and not sold depending on the event. .

- I think some don't get it with this stadium. It has no set capacity. The seats are not permanent themselves. There is a rail on every step of every riser in the stadium. Any seat can be removed. They can simply remove the seats, which I'm guessing didn't have to be put in those places. The duct columns probably should have been flanked on each side, but they probably weren't because of the seats being removeable.

LOL, HUGE exaggerations you're making.

- There are not 500 seats like that. Moore like 2-3 on each side of each large "column" which are air conditioning ducts and 1-2 on each of the normal columns.

- Jerry Jones said any obstructed view seats will be removed and not sold depending on the event. .

- I think some don't get it with this stadium. It has no set capacity. The seats are not permanent themselves. There is a rail on every step of every riser in the stadium. Any seat can be removed. They can simply remove the seats, which I'm guessing didn't have to be put in those places. The duct columns probably should have been flanked on each side, but they probably weren't because of the seats being removeable.


your right i might have exaggerated , i just thought that all seats who were up there close to the collums where more or less obstructed , which i guessed would make around 500 seats for the whole stadium ...

you make a good point about those rails though , didnt think of it that way ..

alright , but how many seats are we talking about ? should be atleast 500 if you look at how many collums there are up there ...

and this is not even why its bothering me , its : how can you be so clumsy that you BUILD seats with obstructed views in a new stadium ? dont the check sightlines BEFORE they build a billion dollar stadium !?!?!?

your worried about 10 seats. And what columns? This is a column free space. and its easy to make that mistake. Computer models are models, not the real thing. they didn't know if there were going to be blocked seats or not, and most stadiums have to deal with this problem, once you get it built there may be obstructed views, its part of life. The only seats that are obstructed are on the last row with a glass wall behind them. We dont have the problem the yankees do where a restaurant blocks the view of 1000 seats.

Nope it isn't....like I said the idea is not to punt vertically...THAT IS COMMON SENSE. Don't need to read anything else about it.

As Jimmy Johnson said today on the radio....the idea isn't to kick anywhere other than the sidelines anyway, it isn't going to be an issue in regular season games. The guy punted it to the bottom of the board on purpose [another bit of common sense]. NO ONE IN HIS RIGHT MIND WILL DO THIS IN A GAME THAT MEANS SOMETHING.

Have you ever been a punter?

You have no clue what youre talking about.

Like a dog with a sock. ^^:ohno::nuts::bash: You always seem to have an answer for everything, but you miss the point entirely.

Punting isn't a vertical goal-oriented practice. It is there to get the ball downfield. Hitting the scoreboard is shooting off your own foot. That's not a home field advantage....it should actually work for both teams by making kickers punt for the long yardages.

Oh well, you will probably get your wish....the NFL is more than likely gonna have him move it up.

Punters do not always intend to kick for long yardages. They punt differently depending on the situation, and yes sometimes kick in a fashion to get the longest hangtime (i.e. kick it as high as they can) to prevent the other team from returning the kick. A long kick that has a lower projectory is NOT want a punter wants to do, as it more often than not results in a better kick return for the other team. It needs to be raised.

Punters do not always intend to kick for long yardages. They punt differently depending on the situation, and yes sometimes kick in a fashion to get the longest hangtime (i.e. kick it as high as they can) to prevent the other team from returning the kick. A long kick that has a lower projectory is NOT want a punter wants to do, as it more often than not results in a better kick return for the other team. It needs to be raised.

Yes it does have to be raised. I don't even see how it is a question. If a Devin Hester 2007 is playing in this stadium you are going to tell me that a punter having to worry about kicking it too high doesn't effect the play on the field?

It simply has to be raised and perhaps it was an archaic standard to begin with but to me it seems like there is a good chance that more then a few punters have the leg strength to hit this baby. Considering hang time is often a MAJOR aspect of punting it simply can't be left the way it is.

It is also makes me wonder what how it can play with any booming goal kicks from goalies in soccer when this stadium host any future soccer games.


Punting isn't a vertical goal-oriented practice. It is there to get the ball downfield. Hitting the scoreboard is shooting off your own foot. That's not a home field advantage....it should actually work for both teams by making kickers punt for the long yardages.

It is a big time advantage if Dallas were to say buy the best directional punter in the NFL while teams with great vertical hang time kickers would be a great disadvantage. Football is not baseball where one should be able to build a team around a unique configuration of a home field.

Yes it does have to be raised. I don't even see how it is a question. If a Devin Hester is 2007 playing in this stadium you are going to tell me that a punter having to worry about kicking it too high doesn't effect the play on the field?

It simply has to be raised and perhaps it was an archaic standard to begin with but to me it seems like there is a good chance that more then a few punters have the length strength to hit this baby. Considering hang time is often a MAJOR aspect of punting it simply can't be left the way it is.

It is also makes me wonder what how it can play with any booming goal kicks from goalies in soccer when this stadium host any future soccer games.




It is a big time advantage if Dallas were to say buy the best directional punter in the NFL while teams with great vertical hang time kickers would be a great disadvantage. Football is not baseball where one should be able to build a team around a unique configuration of a home field.

Agree. Send your concerns to the league. Jerry's jurisdiction starts and ends with the Cowboys. And if this were to benefit them than why move it if it is within the NFL guidelines.

By the way I read somewhere that this could come out of the leagues pocket (if it really cost 2 million) since they approved the design.

By the way I read somewhere that this could come out of the leagues pocket (if it really cost 2 million) since they approved the design.

I guess thats fair.

Cowboys Live Practice at new Stadium
http://www.dallasnews.com/video/dallasnews/hp/index.html?nvid=393152&stry&shu=1

High School Games will still be played here!
http://www.star-telegram.com/videos/#vmix_media_id=5596188

Cowboys Live Practice at new Stadium
http://www.dallasnews.com/video/dallasnews/hp/index.html?nvid=393152&stry&shu=1

High School Games will still be played here!
http://www.star-telegram.com/videos/#vmix_media_id=5596188
Ehhh...I don't like the idea of even Texas HS football being played here.

SMU's stadium near downtown, Pizza Hut Park in Frisco, and UNT's new stadium in Denton are all a better fit.

I think it would be cool if only state championship games were played there. Make it the end-all for all high school football in Texas. You have to make it to the top to play there.

It is also makes me wonder what how it can play with any booming goal kicks from goalies in soccer when this stadium host any future soccer games.


Interesting point, though not a vital one (will it host soccer that much?)

during the soccer matches, none ofo the kicks came close. Punts are different because they are supposed to be high and intentinally directional so that coverage can beat the returner to the ball.

The NFL ruled the board was ok, and will revisit after the season.

Why shouldn't high schools play there? Playoff weekends with as many as 7 games in two days were common at Texas Stadium. The only difference here is logistical as a different field has to be put down for the games. SMU's stadium is the only fit. Pizza Hut Park and UNT are on the periphery of the DFW metroplex. We played at UNT in the playoffs before Bush Turnpike was completed. What a trek. Texas Stadium and Cowboys Stadium are much more centrally located. The Cotton Bowl would even be better, but they aren't budging from the natural surface since they are gonna draw international soccer during the state fair.

Ehhh...I don't like the idea of even Texas HS football being played here.

SMU's stadium near downtown, Pizza Hut Park in Frisco, and UNT's new stadium in Denton are all a better fit.

The kids dont think so. They wanna play here.

I think it would be cool if only state championship games were played there. Make it the end-all for all high school football in Texas. You have to make it to the top to play there.

What!? High School Students loved playing games in Texas Stadium because it was a chance to play on a field some of the greats have walked on and this tradition is being carried over. The Texas Championship games move around the state (San Antonio, Houston, Dallas and Austin) This is Jerry Jones carrying over a tradition started at Texas Stadium.

I don't care what anyone says - I'm going to the Trinity game!

I don't care what anyone says - I'm going to the Trinity game!

Quadruple header FTW!!! Just hope they're still gonna have the huge playoff weekends. That used to be part of the motivation to make the playoffs. I remember walking out of the tunnel at Texas Stadium. That was it!!!! My first play was breaking up a pass right on the star, which was painted on and scraped up my leg. I still have the scar. Can't even imagine walking out into Cowboys Stadium

What!? High School Students loved playing games in Texas Stadium because it was a chance to play on a field some of the greats have walked on and this tradition is being carried over. The Texas Championship games move around the state (San Antonio, Houston, Dallas and Austin) This is Jerry Jones carrying over a tradition started at Texas Stadium.

Here in Los Angeles, only the championship game is played at the Coliseum so it makes for a cool feeling all year long, knowing that you're playing for a trip to the Coliseum. In no way do I think it's awful to play other games there, but I know that here, it's always been this special thing to have the championship game only at the Coliseum and I think it would be the same there.

Here in Los Angeles, only the championship game is played at the Coliseum so it makes for a cool feeling all year long, knowing that you're playing for a trip to the Coliseum. In no way do I think it's awful to play other games there, but I know that here, it's always been this special thing to have the championship game only at the Coliseum and I think it would be the same there.

In Texas they have to use big venues sometimes. We've had several playoff games with over 50,000 fans + the triple and quadruple headers at the Astrodome, Texas Stadium and Alamodome will easily draw gate of 60-70,000. So larger venues are needed. SMU is fine for early round, single games, but as we've seen before is no match for the day long marathons of November\December.

My senior year in high school we played one of our first games at Texas Stadium. I was on the A/V team at the time, so we got to go up into the press boxes and film up there... it was pretty neat.

Matthew

rantanamo did you play saftey or corner? :) thats one thing that has to be hard about playing football in america, is that even though youre a ton better than we are here in sweden , we can keep playing longer than you can, since most of you have to quit after highschool or maybe college, while the teams in sweden are just small clubs whith no maximum age limit ( our assistant head coach / runningback is 45 years old and still playing ;) )

if you really want to keep playing after college, there are some semipro leagues, one of my middle school coaches played for one.

rantanamo did you play saftey or corner? :) thats one thing that has to be hard about playing football in america, is that even though youre a ton better than we are here in sweden , we can keep playing longer than you can, since most of you have to quit after highschool or maybe college, while the teams in sweden are just small clubs whith no maximum age limit ( our assistant head coach / runningback is 45 years old and still playing ;) )

Safety. Football is just such a huge commitment compared to other sports whether it be time or mentally and physically that its not as practical as playing baseball, basketball or soccer as you get older. So you see less leagues out there.

that's really great.

Has anybody seen anything or have any photos of the Star being installed on the field?

Has anybody seen anything or have any photos of the Star being installed on the field?

They're installing the college/high school field this week for the BYU/OU and Herbstreit Classic.

BTW, the Texas state attendance record for football will be a tossup. The BYU/OU game is sold out, that's 80,000 seated and 20-25,000 SRO tickets. At the same time DKR will have a similar crowd size. Guess it will all be moot in a couple of weeks though.

Tom Landry's statue has been put in. 104,000 + are predicted to be attending the game and clear weather looks to be in the future for Sunday night so the roof might be open along with the end zone doors. Also the Ring of Honor is ready to go as well as the Blue Star at Center Field. Best news.....IM GONNA BE THERE SUNDAY NIGHT!!!!!!!!!

http://www.dallasnews.com/video/dallasnews/sports/index.html?nvid=398651&shu=1
Tom Landry, you will never be forgotten.

Tom Landry's statue has been put in. 104,000 + are predicted to be attending the game and clear weather looks to be in the future for Sunday night so the roof might be open along with the end zone doors. Also the Ring of Honor is ready to go as well as the Blue Star at Center Field. Best news.....IM GONNA BE THERE SUNDAY NIGHT!!!!!!!!!

http://www.dallasnews.com/video/dallasnews/sports/index.html?nvid=398651&shu=1
Tom Landry, you will never be forgotten.

I'M GONNA BE THERE ALSO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I can't get enough of this stadium. Say what you will about Jerry Jones, but for a stadium geek it doesn't get any better than this. I'll be watching this beauty in all it's glory for another classic cowboys-giants tilt.

Anyone know what they've decided to do with those screens on the exterior?

Anyone know what they've decided to do with those screens on the exterior?

not gonna happen

not gonna happen
I don't know Ganis, I have heard that the posibilities of adding them in the future is growing. However it will be a year or so before they commit to it.
Which to me, is understandable because you have built such a perfect place for them, and then just leave them blank. Doesn't make sense!

the concern is that both screens would face directly towards apartment complexes and they might cause light pollution at night.

Great article about the stadium, I think.

Supersize Stadium, With Helping of Sprawl

NICOLAI OUROUSSOFF for The New York Times

Link: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/18/sports/football/18stadium.html?ref=sports

I'm not an enormous fan of the Cowboys, but I personally wouldn't mind seeing the Giants fall to them Sunday.

Having said that, I love the new stadium's design and layout. I'm not sure if they'll fill the stadium all the way to 104K, but it would certainly be impressive.

The screens will fly....when have you known Jerry to take no for an answer??? It's a no brainer. All it will take is a settlement of some sort, you watch. Jerry will not let the exterior screen idea die and well he shouldn't.

this stadium is damn ugly, too many tiers!!

this stadium is damn ugly, too many tiers!!
I think that is one of the things that make it so friggin awesome!!!!

I agree...love the tiers. Can't wait til the game tomorrow!

I think that is one of the things that make it so friggin awesome!!!!

fair enough, i personally don't like a stadium with more than 3 tiers, makes it look disjointed and not like a stadium...

fair enough, i personally don't like a stadium with more than 3 tiers, makes it look disjointed and not like a stadium...

To me, stadiums that have seating sections that are small, provide a more intimate setting. And to get small seating sections, having a lot of tiers is one of the best ways.

I guess I got spoiled when the Astrodome field box rows used to have only 8 seats divided into 4 seat sections.

Ready for football in Arlington... almost


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2589/3805953350_d8803b2ef0_b.jpg

I know it cost $1 billion+. I know there will be more than 100K there tommorrow. I know it has a video board the size of a Super Wal-Mart hanging from the world's largest retractable roof. But I also know it has about 10 levels of seating, and that the worst seat in the upper deck my favorite stadium (Spartan Stadium E. Lansing, capacity 75,025) has better views of the actual game (not a video board) than many of the luxury suites in the New Cowboys Stadium (Capacity 80,000). Just look at the picture directly above. This is the FRONT ROW of the SECOND to highest level of the Cowboys' stadium. You'd have a better view from the blimp, if there wasn't a roof in the way.

Not only is this not the greatest stadium of all time, it isn't the best stadium to open THIS MONTH. That would be the TCF Bank Stadium on the campus of the University of Minnesota. That is a real football stadium, not a gaudy monstrosity. And yes, a giant, punt blocking video board does detract from the New Cowboys' Stadium.

^ditto

I know it cost $1 billion+. I know there will be more than 100K there tommorrow. I know it has a video board the size of a Super Wal-Mart hanging from the world's largest retractable roof. But I also know it has about 10 levels of seating, and that the worst seat in the upper deck my favorite stadium (Spartan Stadium E. Lansing, capacity 75,025) has better views of the actual game (not a video board) than many of the luxury suites in the New Cowboys Stadium (Capacity 80,000). Just look at the picture directly above. This is the FRONT ROW of the SECOND to highest level of the Cowboys' stadium. You'd have a better view from the blimp, if there wasn't a roof in the way.

Not only is this not the greatest stadium of all time, it isn't the best stadium to open THIS MONTH. That would be the TCF Bank Stadium on the campus of the University of Minnesota. That is a real football stadium, not a gaudy monstrosity. And yes, a giant, punt blocking video board does detract from the New Cowboys' Stadium.

With all due respect, you sound bitter. There's no such thing as a REAL football stadium. Its a figment of the imagination of people who have never played a down of football, who for some reason think its fun for players to risk their careers by playing on bad fields and in extreme heat and cold. Its a SLAP in the face of guys like Corey Stringer who have died out there. There's nothing more real about one stadium vs another. They're venues mainly built for the fan. For 100,000 fans, you'll be hard pressed to find a stadium with better sightlines. Most are 2 tiered with a large, flat lower bowl creating bad sightline and an upper deck a mile away.


And please don't try to put the pit of Spartan Stadium up there with Cowboys Stadium, let alone a palace like DKR or Ohio Stadium.

I'm glad I'm not alone on the ugly tiers. i think the worst thing is the ends. There's no continuity there with massive gaps between 5-row stands! If the tiers on the side carried on all the way round, it would look so much better.

Is the roof going to be open on a game day and closed in case of inclement weather?
I mean it´s either a stadium with roof that closes or just really really big arena with a roof that opens. Are there some NFL guidelines regarding this?

I'm certainly not bitter, just less impressed than most people. The Cowboys' seating bowl is a monstrosity, with suites stacked far too high. I'm not comparing Spartan Stadium to Cowboys Stadium from any other standpoint than views of the field. Great sightlines is used as a codeword for "Your seats might be a quarter mile from the field, but there are no obstructions and you don't have to crane your neck." I will compare Cowboys Stadium to Ford Field. Ford Field has a much simpler, much better seating bowl design with all the suites stacked along one sideline. And you don't need supplemental oxygen as you approach the highest rows of seating.

When I attend a football game, the primary reason is to.....watch the football game. Not gaze at the roof, not stare at a video screen, not eat expensive concessions. In that regard, not only is Cowboys Stadium not the best in the NFL, it could be one of the worst.

With all due respect, you sound bitter. There's no such thing as a REAL football stadium. Its a figment of the imagination of people who have never played a down of football, who for some reason think its fun for players to risk their careers by playing on bad fields and in extreme heat and cold. Its a SLAP in the face of guys like Corey Stringer who have died out there. There's nothing more real about one stadium vs another. They're venues mainly built for the fan. For 100,000 fans, you'll be hard pressed to find a stadium with better sightlines. Most are 2 tiered with a large, flat lower bowl creating bad sightline and an upper deck a mile away.


And please don't try to put the pit of Spartan Stadium up there with Cowboys Stadium, let alone a palace like DKR or Ohio Stadium.

so do i remember correctly that this place is certified for having a 115 000 capacity?

Is the roof going to be open on a game day and closed in case of inclement weather?
I mean it´s either a stadium with roof that closes or just really really big arena with a roof that opens. Are there some NFL guidelines regarding this?

The plan with any roof that can open is that on days where the weather is bearable, it will be open. Also the big doors will remain open when possible.

The descision is mainly up to the owner[s] of the team. I guess the NFL could intervene but I doubt they would for any reason. It's not their job to watch the weather report and make a call on the game plan at individual stadiums.

so do i remember correctly that this place is certified for having a 115 000 capacity?

According to the news this morning on channel 5 [they are carrying the game tonite] we're expecting 111,000! Gonna break some big records tonite. I really don't know how many it got certified for, but that sounds about right to me.

As an entertainment venue, this place is one of the best. It's truly remarkable what they've done with some of the things here. As a sporting venue, it's below par. Entertainment and awe was prioritized ahead of some things like sightlines, proximity to the field and crowd continuity. That's fine because it was clearly the intention, but not a place I would be dying to see a game at.

yeah I think that too

As an entertainment venue, this place is one of the best. It's truly remarkable what they've done with some of the things here. As a sporting venue, it's below par. Entertainment and awe was prioritized ahead of some things like sightlines, proximity to the field and crowd continuity. That's fine because it was clearly the intention, but not a place I would be dying to see a game at.

It's actually just the opposite. The venue was built with input from college and pro football experts, FIFA had input, it was built to optimize the basketball in a stadium setup. It features multiple playing surfaces that can be changed out depending on the sport and literally dozens of locker rooms for multiple teams from multiple sports and for a stadium of it's size, the site lines are outstanding.

It is however a sub-par entertainment venue. Acoustics are bad because of the cavernous interior and giant glass walls. Nobody has ever tried to pump sound into an interior volume of this venue's size with a scoreboard the size of an apartment building hanging in the middle. The biggest knock on the venue is that it was built focused on too many sports and not enough attention was paid to entertainment.

As an entertainment venue, this place is one of the best. It's truly remarkable what they've done with some of the things here. As a sporting venue, it's below par. Entertainment and awe was prioritized ahead of some things like sightlines, proximity to the field and crowd continuity. That's fine because it was clearly the intention, but not a place I would be dying to see a game at.

Where do you get this impression? The place was built for sports first and foremost. The sightlines are great. Even all closed up you feel like you're outdoors.

attendance was 105,121
So they used the temporary stands?

attendance was 105,121
So they used the temporary stands?

I watched the game on channel 5 (in the UK) and they said it was expanded due to 20,000 standing places....

Ha ok.
Just saw some pics at flickr
So 20k fans watched the game at those platforms

geeding
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3519/3939313289_835cd88fe0_b.jpg


So:
Max capacity is 105,000
Max seatsing capacity aka Superbowl capcity is 93,000
Current seating capacity is 80,000

^^ That is a good summary Sercan. ;) Still I am very impressed with this stadium, although some critical comments were made here. And they might all be correct, but I still like this stadium very much. And the perfect stadium does not exist, so there will always be something to be critical about. ;)

How much of the action can those 20,000 standing actually see though?

Ha ok.
Just saw some pics at flickr
So 20k fans watched the game at those platforms

geeding


So:
Max capacity is 105,000
Max seatsing capacity aka Superbowl capcity is 93,000
Current seating capacity is 80,000


i think we discussed that earlier in the thread and found that it can seat 93-94 000 without temporary stands , which should push it to maybe 105 000 maximum seating capacity ..... as said earlier , the capacity is extremely flexible ..

thanks to the gap between the seats?

How much of the action can those 20,000 standing actually see though?

That's what I was wondering too. Where did they honestly put 20,000 standing room fans?


I also thought the pre game interview that Bob Costas had with Jerry Jones was pretty telling. He had some interesting answers when Bob pressed him on ticket costs, availability and revenue sharing for the NFL.

My question is: how close can you get to the stadium without having a ticket.

When they announced the record number, the screen said:

Tonights total number
of tickets distributed is
105,121
This is the largest crowd
to whiteness a regular season
game in the United States,
in NFL history!

http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/2028/screenshot20090921at109.png (http://img121.imageshack.us/i/screenshot20090921at109.png/)

Also, while watching the live coverage, they showed several shots of an outdoor area where people were watching the game on big outdoor screens. (Note: This was in the end zones between the arches, not the large screens on the side of the stadium.)

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/9185/screenshot20090921at115.png (http://img504.imageshack.us/i/screenshot20090921at115.png/)

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/2402/screenshot20090921at112.png (http://img80.imageshack.us/i/screenshot20090921at112.png/)

My question is: did all of these people have to have a ticket? Are they counted in the total? Is this where some of the 20,000 standing people are?

Matthew

All the hype of their new stadium and the Cowboys lost.

I was at the game last night. WOW. The stadium is amazing in Cowboys Mode. Pictures will come later. I have been to allot of college football games, NFL games in Houston, Denver and Texas Stadium but I have never heard a stadium as loud as this. When the crowd really cut loose in the last 4 minutes of the 4th its was hurting my ears! (I was 16 seats from the field) The Cowboys way over sold the Party Pass SRO tickets and I will not expect the next few home games to have near this large a crowd.

To bad the Cowboys lost but it was a great game.

If the Cowboys loose to the Giants by 2 points on the final play of the game after making 4 turnovers then I think we played a damn good game.

Great Atmosphere, great fans, great stadium, I cant speak im so horse and I loved it! And Tailgating in Arlington is easy to do and Fun!

My question is: how close can you get to the stadium without having a ticket.

When they announced the record number, the screen said:



http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/2028/screenshot20090921at109.png (http://img121.imageshack.us/i/screenshot20090921at109.png/)

Also, while watching the live coverage, they showed several shots of an outdoor area where people were watching the game on big outdoor screens. (Note: This was in the end zones between the arches, not the large screens on the side of the stadium.)

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/9185/screenshot20090921at115.png (http://img504.imageshack.us/i/screenshot20090921at115.png/)

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/2402/screenshot20090921at112.png (http://img80.imageshack.us/i/screenshot20090921at112.png/)

My question is: did all of these people have to have a ticket? Are they counted in the total? Is this where some of the 20,000 standing people are?

Matthew

You had to have tickets to get that close so i guess thats a yes.

When the crowd really cut loose in the last 4 minutes of the 4th its was hurting my ears! (I was 16 seats from the field)

I hope there will be some videos on youtube soon (highlights or from a fan's point of view). Having not been to an american football match or many large stadiums, I'm really interested to hear what something that loud sounds like on the TV.

What a grand stadium!

I hope there will be some videos on youtube soon (highlights or from a fan's point of view). Having not been to an american football match or many large stadiums, I'm really interested to hear what something that loud sounds like on the TV.

It sounded loud on TV but like shouting, no melody just shouting. I do realise that is what they do over there...

But then we all know some media companies (sky sports) stick microphones in the loudest parts of the crowd...

you've been to a night club and stood next to some subwoofers haven't you? now that's loud

It sounded loud on TV but like shouting, no melody just shouting. I do realise that is what they do over there...

But then we all know some media companies (sky sports) stick microphones in the loudest parts of the crowd...

you've been to a night club and stood next to some subwoofers haven't you? now that's loud
No fabrication here!!! I was there and it was loud!!! I couldn't even hear myself think at times!

No I haven't even seen all the stadiums in the world, but I have been in many. When I left last night, I knew, without a doubt, I was leaving the best Stadium in the world!!

No fabrication here!!! I was there and it was loud!!! I couldn't even hear myself think at times!

No I haven't even seen all the stadiums in the world, but I have been in many. When I left last night, I knew, without a doubt, I was leaving the best Stadium in the world!!

What Section? Did you find your self watching the Big Screens when the action was on the part of the field farthest from you and then you watched the field as they got closer to you? I was in Section 126 row 16 and I found my self looking back and forth during plays. If i saw it was a run I kept watching the field, if i saw it was going to be a pass i watched the screen.

Anyone have any idea how much money they took in (ticket sales,concession,private boxes...) say what you want about Jerry Jones but there's no denying the man built one hell of a stadium

It sounded loud on TV but like shouting, no melody just shouting. I do realise that is what they do over there...

But then we all know some media companies (sky sports) stick microphones in the loudest parts of the crowd...

you've been to a night club and stood next to some subwoofers haven't you? now that's loud

Yep that is loud - but not in a pleasurable way, at least not for me!

Didn't know Sky sports did that actually. Speaking of loud, people may moan about Old Trafford but judging from the pandemonium in the stands caused by Owen's goal, I bet that roar was ear drum burstingly loud!

Apparently of the 105k, not everyone was actually in the stadium.

http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/warning-party-pass-may-not-contain-actual-party-26167



"The Cowboys say they sold 30,000 “Party Passes” at last night’s record-breaking attendance game. 15,000 fans were supposed to watch inside on six different decks, while the rest were supposed to be outside, watching on giant monitors."


Counting people outside the stadium watching in a plaza would be like counting tail gaters watching on tv outside the stadium.

you had to buy tickets to get inside the gates to watch those screens outside the end zones, also those out side could still work their way into the stadium and its party levels.

So 105k did not watchted the game at the same time.

Why you advertise that inside the stadium during the game?

Wow they lost their first game in the new stadium. That sucks. Well they deserve it for beating my Bucs!

Watched the Giants-Cowboys game on TV. I have never seen a game where the commentators were so engrossed in the punting (to see if anyone could hit the giant scoreboard). No one did; it was almost a let-down.

^^ They should raise the Jerrytron a few feet. Otherwise it will be a sort of sideshow. If the game's a rout, wait & don't switch channels, let's see who can hit the darn thing with a punt.

So 105k did not watchted the game at the same time.

.....? What? they all watched it at the same time.

Why you advertise that inside the stadium during the game?

what?

Wow they lost their first game in the new stadium. That sucks. Well they deserve it for beating my Bucs!

Ok, your Bucs are this years Detroit Lions.

Interactive map from Dallas Mourning news
http://www.dallasnews.com/s/dws/photography/2009/stadium_tour/

Many Videos with Jack Hill (Manager of Construction and Now Stadium Manager)

still dont like it.

So 105k did not watchted the game at the same time.

They were definitely all there, but not everyone was watching it live in person.

The attendance should have an asterisk next to it. The people outside were really no different than me watching the game 1000 miles away.

If you arent IN the stadium, you shouldnt count.

,,

If you arent IN the stadium, you shouldnt count.

Totally agree with this. The attendance shouldn't even have an asterisk, it should just list the proper attendance! At the moment it's just a lie!

Yeah.
Sold tickets is good, but attendance means for me that you watch the game live and not from a screen

So they went and included the people who were outside the stadium in the actual attendance then. :lol: :lol: :lol:

What Section? Did you find your self watching the Big Screens when the action was on the part of the field farthest from you and then you watched the field as they got closer to you? I was in Section 126 row 16 and I found my self looking back and forth during plays. If i saw it was a run I kept watching the field, if i saw it was going to be a pass i watched the screen.

I only looked up to the big screen to watch the replays, and for the most part they were real good about showing the replay pretty quick after the play.

This gets more retarded the more you hear of it, only in America I guess...

Attendance is taken at all venues in the US. Its more of a firecode thing than anything else. Paid attendance is almost never counted even if its called that by the stadium announcer. Attendance is also a future indicator for planning of future events. Not a penis size measurement like this board can sometimes be.

Tell that to Jerry Jones...

This gets more retarded the more you hear of it, only in America I guess...



Tell that to Jerry Jones...

In the US for the most part, attendance is counted through the turnstiles. The turnstiles at Cowboys Stadium have yet to be installed, however I think they will be installed before the end of the season! But if I'm not mistaken, the attendance was counted by the ticket scans at the gate!

This gets more retarded the more you hear of it, only in America I guess...



Tell that to Jerry Jones...

of course you left out the part about wanting to break a record.

If they cared about that so much then why didn't they just make the stadium bigger? It's not as if it's been done on the cheap!

So this 120,000 figure for the Superbowl or whatever it's for, 40,000 won't actually be in the stadium?!

In the US for the most part, attendance is counted through the turnstiles. The turnstiles at Cowboys Stadium have yet to be installed, however I think they will be installed before the end of the season! But if I'm not mistaken, the attendance was counted by the ticket scans at the gate!

their version of the turn stile is the digital hand held ticket devices that scanned you in at the gate. Those are all connected to a central computer.

Actual seated capacity that night was 80k....they sold enough party passes to make 105k and claim the record. Only problem was there were only 15k of the 30k they sold that made it into the gates. All these are approximate figures but you get the idea. They did finally let a few more folks in but the gist of it is they oversold it to make the record. No not everyone got see the game first hand....thousands were outside and inside watching on screens.

Realistically only about 95k saw the game from inside the walls and only 85k or so could see the field with their own eyes versus the screens. Again, not my numbers, just what I have heard on local talk shows.

Is Jerry a jerk...yeah, did he set the record....yeah, is he damned smart.....yeah. Who else has sold an SRO ticket to a footbal game recently? Does that make it ok to lose the FISRT GAME? No.....kinda the opposite of the priceless commercials.

Attendance is counted according to the number of tickets sold, regardless of whether all the ticket holders show up or not. That's the reason they say, PAID attendance: such & such.

Actual seated capacity that night was 80k....they sold enough party passes to make 105k and claim the record. Only problem was there were only 15k of the 30k they sold that made it into the gates. All these are approximate figures but you get the idea. They did finally let a few more folks in but the gist of it is they oversold it to make the record. No not everyone got see the game first hand....thousands were outside and inside watching on screens.

Realistically only about 95k saw the game from inside the walls and only 85k or so could see the field with their own eyes versus the screens. Again, not my numbers, just what I have heard on local talk shows.

Is Jerry a jerk...yeah, did he set the record....yeah, is he damned smart.....yeah. Who else has sold an SRO ticket to a footbal game recently? Does that make it ok to lose the FISRT GAME? No.....kinda the opposite of the priceless commercials.

The New England Patriots always sell SRO tickets to their home games. Every game there are a few thousand people scattered throughout the stadium, all with a view of the entire field. If anyone ever has seen the Patriots play on tv, they have long catwalks that accommodate most of the SRO fans and the rest are over the bridge and above the open concourses.

Attendance is counted according to the number of tickets sold, regardless of whether all the ticket holders show up or not. That's the reason they say, PAID attendance: such & such.

attendance (noun)

the state of attending

attending (verb)

Present participle of attend.

attend (transitive verb)

To be at an event.

So if you don't turn up you are not in attendance regardless of whether you paid, and Jerry didn't set no records because the event was in the stadium not outside!

The New England Patriots always sell SRO tickets to their home games. Every game there are a few thousand people scattered throughout the stadium, all with a view of the entire field. If anyone ever has seen the Patriots play on tv, they have long catwalks that accommodate most of the SRO fans and the rest are over the bridge and above the open concourses.

Well thats great. Standing room tickets are good to have, provided that you can see the field.

attendance (noun)

the state of attending

attending (verb)

Present participle of attend.

attend (transitive verb)

To be at an event.

So if you don't turn up you are not in attendance regardless of whether you paid, and Jerry didn't set no records because the event was in the stadium not outside!

Well "bigbossman", you go count all the people that entered the gates, which is part of the plaza, that never ever went into the stadium, and then we will reduce that amount from the total. I can almost guarantee that everybody that went into the plaza, at one time or another, went into the stadium. So using your own definition, they were in attendance! And before your pitiful retort, to get into the plaza, your ticket is scanned, so therefore, you are an attendee (noun) A person who is present at a specific time or place.

Well "bigbossman", you go count all the people that entered the gates, which is part of the plaza, that never ever went into the stadium, and then we will reduce that amount from the total. I can almost guarantee that everybody that went into the plaza, at one time or another, went into the stadium. So using your own definition, they were in attendance! And before your pitiful retort, to get into the plaza, your ticket is scanned, so therefore, you are an attendee (noun) A person who is present at a specific time or place.

Oh sure. Blame the system for braking the record!

Well "bigbossman", you go count all the people that entered the gates, which is part of the plaza, that never ever went into the stadium, and then we will reduce that amount from the total. I can almost guarantee that everybody that went into the plaza, at one time or another, went into the stadium. So using your own definition, they were in attendance! And before your pitiful retort, to get into the plaza, your ticket is scanned, so therefore, you are an attendee (noun) A person who is present at a specific time or place.

You can more or less guarantee, how so? who are you God?

You are not an attendee unless you attend the event which in this instance was a LIVE gridiron game, unless you are trying to claim the event was being in the vicinity of texas stadium? thus then you can argue that they were attendees, but they still didn't break the record no matter how much spin you put on it.

You can more or less guarantee, how so? who are you God?

You are not an attendee unless you attend the event which in this instance was a LIVE gridiron game, unless you are trying to claim the event was being in the vicinity of texas stadium? thus then you can argue that they were attendees, but they still didn't break the record no matter how much spin you put on it.

You obviously have no idea how that stadium is set up, so everytime you say anything, you show your complete ignorance on this subject. And in case you are wondering, yes I have attended 2 games there. Preseason vs. Tennessee, and Sunday night vs. N.Y. Those people that bought a SRO ticket, definately made their way inside the stadium. They might not have stayed in there long, but just for curiosity purposes, made their way in.

Well they weren't in there when the game was on! I know in college games the attendance can be higher than the capacity but this takes the piss.

Well they weren't in there when the game was on! I know in college games the attendance can be higher than the capacity but this takes the piss.

At least in college, the fans are actually in the stadium! This attendance record count is bull shiiiiite. But justice was served when the cowboys lost!!!!!!!! :lol:

attendance (noun)

the state of attending

attending (verb)

Present participle of attend.

attend (transitive verb)

To be at an event.

So if you don't turn up you are not in attendance regardless of whether you paid, and Jerry didn't set no records because the event was in the stadium not outside!

So then ALL NFL record crowds are BS then right? Since there's no one to count the gate tickets to see how many actually showed up RIGHT?

ok, finally got around to uploading some of my pics. My camera went dead right as i went in to the stadium so i need to get the rest of my pics off my friends camera.

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a110/Dallasbrink/DSC01685.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a110/Dallasbrink/DSC01700.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a110/Dallasbrink/DSC01702.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a110/Dallasbrink/DSC01701.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a110/Dallasbrink/DSC01705.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a110/Dallasbrink/DSC01707.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a110/Dallasbrink/DSC01732.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a110/Dallasbrink/DSC01709.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a110/Dallasbrink/DSC01718.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a110/Dallasbrink/DSC01704.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a110/Dallasbrink/DSC01727.jpg

Nice pics DallasBrink....er Ganis! Yeah the code for each pic showed up in the email....hope ya weren't tryin' to hide that one!

So then ALL NFL record crowds are BS then right? Since there's no one to count the gate tickets to see how many actually showed up RIGHT?

The number in attendance was 105,121 as counted by the ticket scanners at the gates. This number is not counting the 12,000 workers, guest of the luxury boxes and celebrity guest.

Good...I thought maybe they had counted somehow. Guess that tosses out the fake ATTENDANCE record idea.

But the ticket scanners were at the entrance to the grounds not at the entrance into the stadium, that's the problem with the attendance. Other NFL teams wouldn't have this problem.

But the ticket scanners were at the entrance to the grounds not at the entrance into the stadium, that's the problem with the attendance. Other NFL teams wouldn't have this problem.

Luke, the gates are at the Stadium. When you have an opening at each end of the Stadium that is 180' wide, that allow the plazas and the endzone tiers to become one, the gates are actually part of the stadium. That is one of the many things that make this Stadium so great.

I'm sure that is a great thing about this stadium, but that doesn't mean it's attendances are accurate!

I'm sure that is a great thing about this stadium, but that doesn't mean it's attendances are accurate!
^^I am sure you are an authority on our stadium having never visited it....:bash:

You dont have to have gone to a stadium to recognize BS attendance records.

I'm sure that is a great thing about this stadium, but that doesn't mean it's attendances are accurate!

if your ticket is scanned at the gate then your in attendance! What part do you not get?

Gotta say that, in those pics, this place looks awesome with a capacity attendance.

That said, from the top of the top tier, the players must seem like ants!

if your ticket is scanned at the gate then your in attendance! What part do you not get?

So for the champions league final in 2008, in which thousands of United fans went to the MEN arena to watch it on a giant screen, they should be added to the overall attendance inside the stadium? They probably paid to watch it!

They weren't in the stadium - they therefore weren't watching it live. Whatever the official attendance is that doesn't matter - it's just not right!

if your in the end zone plazas your inside the stadiums gate and you can access any part of the stadium. There for your in attendance.

Rest of my photos from my friends camera. Including a cameo from both of us.

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a110/Dallasbrink/6824_1233378558542_1351510373_71707.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a110/Dallasbrink/6824_1233378758547_1351510373_71708.jpg

Entrance to one of the discussed plazas, notice how they are taking tickets this far out.
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a110/Dallasbrink/6824_1233378918551_1351510373_71708.jpg

TOM!
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a110/Dallasbrink/6824_1233378998553_1351510373_71708.jpg

Look, a permanent FENCE that keeps you out of the plaza if you dont have tickets!
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a110/Dallasbrink/6824_1233379038554_1351510373_71708.jpg

My friend in the HUGE end zone plaza out side the stadium that you have to buy tickets to get into.
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a110/Dallasbrink/6824_1233379118556_1351510373_71709.jpg

Any questions???

And a huge F ing flag
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a110/Dallasbrink/6824_1233379798573_1351510373_71710.jpg

if your in the end zone plazas your inside the stadiums gate and you can access any part of the stadium. There for your in attendance.

No.

If everyone cant watch at the same time, then it shouldnt count.

if you want to break the attendance record for the NFL, then built a f... ing stadium with more then 105,000 seats, this record means nothing.

if you want to break the attendance record for the NFL, then built a f... ing stadium with more then 105,000 seats, this record means nothing.

someone is mad that we took a record from Az-crappa stadium.

It is a rather bogus mark. Its one thing to get everyone into a standing room only area INSIDE the stadium, whether they can really see or not (ala Heinz Field), than to count tickets by the parking lot and keep thousands of people outside of the stadium watching the game on one of those ridiculous screens.

If they arent physically attending the game INSIDE the stadium, it shouldnt count.

nice pics

This record is a complete joke. The only figure that should count is the number of people who can simultaneously watch the game with a view of the field from a seat or a designated standing area.

From some of the pictures shown it looks like the standing room tickets have very poor views as they are not stepped and people cannot see over the people in front of them. To me this idea of selling tickets to a game where some people cannot actually watch the game (except for on a screen) is complete greed.

I found some photos of Cowboys Stadium by a PRO photographer

http://www.myssnews.com/images/resized/images/stories/2009/new_cowboys_stadium_09_1154_530.jpg

Next few by John P at One Man's Blog (http://onemansblog.com/2009/08/09/dallas-cowboys-stadium-a-complete-photo-and-video-review/cowboys-stadium-fisheye-2/)

http://onemansblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Cowboys-Stadium-3.jpg

http://onemansblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Cowboys-Stadium-Fisheye-2.jpg

http://onemansblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/4th-Floor-Cowboys-Stadium.jpg

http://onemansblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Cowboys-Stadium-Fisheye.jpg

http://onemansblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Cowboys-Stadium-Massive-Supports.jpg

http://onemansblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Cowboys-Stadium-Supports.jpg

http://onemansblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Inside-Cowboys-Stadium-Fisheye.jpg

http://onemansblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Cowboys-Stadium-Seating.jpg

http://onemansblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Cowboys-Stadium-Top-Seat-Views.jpg

http://onemansblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Cowboys-Stadium-Super-Wide-Angle.jpg

If they arent physically attending the game INSIDE the stadium, it shouldnt count.

So if you can walk in and out of the stadium during a game then your not in attendance? All the people standing out in the plazas could work their way up to the rails to watch the game.

So if you can walk in and out of the stadium during a game then your not in attendance? All the people standing out in the plazas could work their way up to the rails to watch the game.

THEN take the attendance. If every team were to count attendance in the parking lots, then teams like Buffalo and Green Bay would easily top 100,000 every game.

THEN take the attendance. If every team were to count attendance in the parking lots, then teams like Buffalo and Green Bay would easily top 100,000 every game.

you dont get what im saying. If you were in the End Zone plazas (the ticketed Area) then you could get anywhere inside the stadium. There for your in attendance. There were still allot of people out side the gates of the plaza watching the game from a far distance that were not counted in attendance.

you dont get what im saying. If you were in the End Zone plazas (the ticketed Area) then you could get anywhere inside the stadium. There for your in attendance. There were still allot of people out side the gates of the plaza watching the game from a far distance that were not counted in attendance.

I know what you are saying, but what I am, and it seems like most people here are, trying to say is that if you arent actually in the building, counting you as in attendance is technically a falsification of records.

So for the champions league final in 2008, in which thousands of United fans went to the MEN arena to watch it on a giant screen, they should be added to the overall attendance inside the stadium? They probably paid to watch it!

They weren't in the stadium - they therefore weren't watching it live. Whatever the official attendance is that doesn't matter - it's just not right!

Since I prefer not to enter a battle of wits with anyone who is unarmed, think whatever you want. Since no one in the NFL has challenged the record we broke, I'd say you are without audience from here on out.

We can agree to disagree because I'm not changing my opinion no matter how you or Ganis try to legitimise it.

From the looks of things I'm not alone in my thinking. Maybe no-one in the NFL has challenged it because no-one in the NFL cares about the record?! :lol:

I agree, the attendence record is a joke

Well they weren't in there when the game was on! I know in college games the attendance can be higher than the capacity but this takes the piss.

Very cool, looking great so far. Keep going, I wanna see it finished! :banana:^^

To all the people hating on the record and stadium. Jealousy is the greatest form of flattery!!! So keep it up with your moronic and ignorant point of views! Because I haven't heard your point of view reinforced by anyone who has been there and understands the set up of the stadium.

The roof is closed tonight. Are the Cowboys going to have rules regarding when the roof is open or closed like the Texans with their 50-80 rule or will they just decide for themselves from game to game?

The roof is closed tonight. Are the Cowboys going to have rules regarding when the roof is open or closed like the Texans with their 50-80 rule or will they just decide for themselves from game to game?

I don't think they have any set rules. The big difference in Cowboys Stadium over Reliant, is Cowboys Stadium has a great water drainage system, whereas Reliant doesn't. So if they installed such a good water drainage system, they may, one day have the roof open when it rains. And it was way over 80* during week 2 and the roof was open.

To all the people hating on the record and stadium. Jealousy is the greatest form of flattery!!! So keep it up with your moronic and ignorant point of views! Because I haven't heard your point of view reinforced by anyone who has been there and understands the set up of the stadium.

yes, its jealousy your detecting :ohno:

To all the people hating on the record and stadium. Jealousy is the greatest form of flattery!!! So keep it up with your moronic and ignorant point of views! Because I haven't heard your point of view reinforced by anyone who has been there and understands the set up of the stadium.

This has absolutely nothing to do with jealousy.

This has absolutely nothing to do with jealousy.

No one cares but Jerry Jones and you guys.

why dont we stick some toll gates on the edge of cardiff city, charge everyone an arbitary penny on match days and stick a few extra big screens up.... we'd probably get 500,000 on a 6 Nations day...

To all the people hating on the record and stadium. Jealousy is the greatest form of flattery!!!

I couldn't give a crap which NFL stadium holds the record - I'm like the majority of people from the UK: I don't care much for American Football. The only team I have affiliation towards in Michigan because I have friends who are heavily involved with the Wolverines. I was supposed to go over and watch the Notre Dame game but couldn't go in the end.

This isn't jealousy! :lol:

Welshlad you're bang on.

You live in Farnham mate, I'm just down the road in Haslemere.
I thought the whole point of this forum is to appreciate good architecture and sports stadia and not get into arguments over whose stadium is better etc. I really admire Jerry Jones and his commitment to building the Cowboys stadium but I think he really screwed up by not limiting the number of party passes. Imagine how disappointed people would have been to have turned up and wasted good money. Jones has however pushed the boundaries of what people expect in a NFL stadium and although the new Meadowlands has some pretty impressive specs someone will have to spend a ton of money to better Jones.

Small world mate!

The roof is closed tonight. Are the Cowboys going to have rules regarding when the roof is open or closed like the Texans with their 50-80 rule or will they just decide for themselves from game to game?

the league rules on retractable roofs says that they have to let the league know 90 minutes before kick off. The only reason the roof can be closed is if there is lightning and or hail. Other then that it stays open during rain.

The end zone doors on the other hand can be opened or closed at any time during the game.

the league rules on retractable roofs says that they have to let the league know 90 minutes before kick off. The only reason the roof can be closed is if there is lightning and or hail. Other then that it stays open during rain.

The end zone doors on the other hand can be opened or closed at any time during the game.

Some teams close the roof if it's hot, cold, raining or even just because they want the stadium to be louder. I was just curious if the Cowboys were going to implement any rules to govern when it would be closed or whether they would make their decision on a case by case basis for whatever reasons they see fit.

They counted people "outside" the stadium,just because they bought a "ticket"?
Just to get a record attendance figure?

What a load of BS!!

Crap then...I went to the Sydney Olympics in 2000.You had to buy a ticket to just get into Sydney Olympic Park,not just into the Stadium...Soo..lets do Texan figures..
There were 112,234 people inside the Sydney Olympic Stadium and 500,000 people outside in the Olympic Park Boulevard and parks ....therefore..ladies and gentlemen..
We have a new official attendance World Record for the Sydney Olympic Stadium of....

612,234

There were about 90,000 in attendance for the cowboys game last night. So what, 15,000 seats magically disappeared? No, they simply didn't oversell the party passes and force people to watch on a TV outside.

Hang on? So the people watching on the TVs were supposed to be watching the game inside the stadium but they oversold tickets?

This is amazing stadium but why didn´t they solve jumbotron issue better. End zone monitors are smaller, they could fit them properly. I don´t like that they are sticking out like that. Also I wonder if oval screen was ever an option?

There for your in attendance.

I had to read that two or three times before I realised what it was supposed to say. :nuts:

To all the people hating on the record and stadium. Jealousy is the greatest form of flattery!!! So keep it up with your moronic and ignorant point of views! Because I haven't heard your point of view reinforced by anyone who has been there and understands the set up of the stadium.

Yep....if this same stadium were in their own backyard, the posts would be quite different.

The only joke is the naysayers. They have absolutely no clue. And to the breaking of the record in Mexico, I LOVE IT!

And as you boys stick by your flawed logic, we'll stick by the official count. If ya can't prove it otherwise, ya got nuthin'.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the most glaring loophole in this attendance debate.

The scoreboard said the record was established with 105,121 "Tickets Distributed". It says nothing about who was there inside the stadium, outside on the plaza, or 1000 miles away.

Of course this begs the question... if you want to use the "Tickets Distributed" method of attendance, what stops anyone from just printing up 200,000 tickets passing them out to any Joe on the street, then do I own the new record?! It doesn't say how tickets are distributed... sold, given away, attached to every happy meal sold at McDonalds, dropped out of an airplane, etc.

I've heard of many different methods to define attendance, and for the most part, I've been able to mentally justify most of them. "Tickets Distributed" may have gone a little too far IMO.

Yep....if this same stadium were in their own backyard, the posts would be quite different.

The only joke is the naysayers. They have absolutely no clue. And to the breaking of the record in Mexico, I LOVE IT!

And as you boys stick by your flawed logic, we'll stick by the official count. If ya can't prove it otherwise, ya got nuthin'.

I guarantee you that if something like this happened at FedEx Field that i would be angry as well. I dont live in Texas, I dont have to always worry about making sure my dick is bigger than everyone else's. I like things fair.

You want to make it seem like you Cowboys fans are the only ones who are sane in this argument, but take a step back and think about it for a second. No one has ever really been pissed about breaking an attendance record before. Why? Because its never been cheated before. Anyone can do what the Cowboys did. All it takes is expanding the gate area and bringing in some big screens. Dan Snyder could do it Sunday if he wanted to. However, he doesnt have to worry about it, as FedEx will always have a legitimate 92K people there, all with their own seat.

Everyone BUT Dallas fans can understand this, yet you call us crazy. Do you see the flawed logic in your argument? Perhaps you are the ones who cant see reality.

Yep....if this same stadium were in their own backyard, the posts would be quite different.

You just don't get it do you? We don't care who the stadium belongs to! The fact that the record has been cheated is what annoys us, not who it's been cheated by. I'd never heard of Jerry Jones before I read this thread!

This is amazing stadium but why didn´t they solve jumbotron issue better. End zone monitors are smaller, they could fit them properly. I don´t like that they are sticking out like that. Also I wonder if oval screen was ever an option?

the screen was put above the field so there was a shorter distance for the fans to look when looking for a replay. I hate going to a stadium and having to look allllllllll the way across the stadium at a screen that looks like the 20 inch TV in my bed room. F that. I was at the game, the board is not a distraction and I loved it!

Also no pro punter has come close to hitting it so all the hoopla about the kicker from tennessee who hit it (didnt even make the titans roster) was over hyped.

You just don't get it do you? We don't care who the stadium belongs to! The fact that the record has been cheated is what annoys us, not who it's been cheated by. I'd never heard of Jerry Jones before I read this thread!

o my god... WHO CARES!? Its a moot point now. cant do anything about it.

I heard some radio personality on ESPN Radio describe Jerry World Like this.....

IT IS JERRY JONES MIDDLE FINGER TO THE RECESSION! He didn't just make one Amazing football stadium, he created a convention space. New York might be opening a new stadium next year but it will not have near the pomp and circumstance as this has had because it wont be used as much and wont bring in as much money for the owners.

Staples Center owns alll big events on the west coast, but in the central United states and east coast (Amaerica West of the Rocky Mountains) the events bounce from venue to venue. NOT ANY MORE. Any special event you might have had in a stadium in your town is now going to Dallas. They have a roof the opens and closes and HUGE glass doors that do the same. A huge video board that is sheer beauty to be hold.

They have the NBA All Star Game, Super Bowl, 6 college football games this year (including Arkansas and Texas A&M play here this weekend) and it looks like they will all come back to do it again. Mens Final Four, UNC v UT basketball in the fall, THE DALLAS COWBOYS play there, the whole country gets Cowboys games every week, your gonna see this stadium allot.

The X games could come here and have one hell of a time. the PBR is adding a special invitational tournament for this stadium. They are putting together a huge concert series for this stadium. Jerry Jones has single handedly up lifted the Dallas Metroplex by putting his oil money in this stadium. Most people think he is crazy but look at all the money he has made on it in the first 5 months f this stadium. Does he still look crazy to you?

A punter hasn't come close to the video board yet, but some will in upcoming games. None of the kickers who have played there so far have extremely strong legs. When San Diego and Oakland go in there, we could see a ball hit it and some will definitely come close.

the whole country gets Cowboys games every week, your gonna see this stadium allot.


no they dont, unless they they have the monday night or sunday night game that week.

look at week 1: minnesota vs cleveland was on in more markets
http://the506.com/nflmaps/2009/01-FOX-E.html

I couldn't give a crap which NFL stadium holds the record - I'm like the majority of people from the UK: I don't care much for American Football. The only team I have affiliation towards in Michigan because I have friends who are heavily involved with the Wolverines. I was supposed to go over and watch the Notre Dame game but couldn't go in the end.

This isn't jealousy! :lol:

Welshlad you're bang on.

So what are you all doing in this thread if ya don't like the game [besides cluttering it up with BS about attendance records]?

I hope you all know we couldn't give a flip what you guys think from across the pond. It's not like you care much for ANYTHING in our country.In fact...I think it's time for the old ignore button. CYA!

They counted people "outside" the stadium,just because they bought a "ticket"?
Just to get a record attendance figure?

What a load of BS!!

Crap then...I went to the Sydney Olympics in 2000.You had to buy a ticket to just get into Sydney Olympic Park,not just into the Stadium...Soo..lets do Texan figures..
There were 112,234 people inside the Sydney Olympic Stadium and 500,000 people outside in the Olympic Park Boulevard and parks ....therefore..ladies and gentlemen..
We have a new official attendance World Record for the Sydney Olympic Stadium of....

612,234

Actually over 110,000 tickets were sold of which 30,000 were party passes and 80,000 were for actual seats. It was estimated that 5,000 never made it into the stadium giving the attendance 105,000. If he had counted ALL ticket sales the number woulda been 110,000.

Sorry to say I will miss the naysayers on this one....gotta love the ignore button....:D:D:D

So what are you all doing in this thread if ya don't like the game [besides cluttering it up with BS about attendance records]?

I hope you all know we couldn't give a flip what you guys think from across the pond. It's not like you care much for ANYTHING in our country.In fact...I think it's time for the old ignore button. CYA!

1. Last time I checked, this forum was about stadiums not about the sports that are played in them. Therefore your point is totally irrelevant.

2. Oh dear! :lol: Just a case of someone disagreeing with you and you turn it into a racial thing. You're clearly one of the few Americans that give yourselves a shocking name in this country. I'm usually defending the US in conversations I have with friends. :ohno:

So what are you all doing in this thread if ya don't like the game [besides cluttering it up with BS about attendance records]?

I hope you all know we couldn't give a flip what you guys think from across the pond. It's not like you care much for ANYTHING in our country.In fact...I think it's time for the old ignore button. CYA!

And for the people not from across the pond, we all say your argument is BS

http://urbandallas.us/images/dallas_cowboys_stadium1050x700.jpg

no they dont, unless they they have the monday night or sunday night game that week.

look at week 1: minnesota vs cleveland was on in more markets
http://the506.com/nflmaps/2009/01-FOX-E.html

A great portion of the nation will get Cowboy games every week. I currently live in the DC area and we've seen each and every Cowboy game so far including the Tampa game.

A great portion of the nation will get Cowboy games every week. I currently live in the DC area and we've seen each and every Cowboy game so far including the Tampa game.

thats because Washington is in the same division :bash: KC is AFC west so we get a lot of Oakland, Denver, and San Diego games on TV also.

A great portion of the nation will get Cowboy games every week. I currently live in the DC area and we've seen each and every Cowboy game so far including the Tampa game.

Lets think about that statement for a minute shall we...

The Redskins had the late game in week one, and didnt play at the same time as Dallas.

Dallas then had two nationally televised game on NBC and ESPN.

Next week they do not play in the same time slot at Washington.

Who do you think will be on in DC when Dallas and Washington both play in the same time slot? (Hint: It wont be Dallas)