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After the whole renderings debacle, I thought I'd start a thread for the Dallas Cowboys' new stadium. We really have no clue what it will look like and have only been teased about it. All we really know is:

- The exterior will be tile, concrete and steel, no brick
- 75,000 permanent seats, expandable to ~100,000
- The site is huge and the whole is huge. Many construction experts are commenting its one of the biggest they have physically heard of
- Permanent roof with a hole in it like Texas Stadium, with a retractable roof to cover it.
- Two huge arches will span over the stadium
- The number of suites will be absurd and include field level suites like Kuwait new stadium.
- Opens in 2009.
- Should have exterior video screens
- Something about it is very, very top secret. So much that the Cowboys really don't want to show any renderings.
- The cost is in the $1billion range
- Located in Arlington, Texas, just south and west of Ameriquest Field(Texas Rangers)

If wondering, Arlington is about 15-20 minutes west of downtown Dallas on a good traffic day.

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Awesome! As a HUGE Dallas Cowboys fan as well as a fan of the entire DFW Metroplex, I'm glad to see this! Right now it's an enormous hole in the ground but soon enough it will be an awesome football stadium for America's Team! :D

Call me in a couple of years when its done.

I'm also a huge Cowboy fan. Some people got a little bit of a peek on Cowboy boards but not much. It looked like a 21st century version of Texas Stadium. No matter how it looks, they need to call it either Tom Landy Field or just Texas Stadium. No TXU field or any other shit ass corporate named stadium.

Seems a bit over the top not to release the plans because of a terrorist threat, I don't know of any other stadium that has ever taken that line. This is the stadium with the massive retractable roof isn't it? If so it will be interesting to see if they are able to build the stadium without any major problems.

that is a bit crazy

I saw a render of this on tv.

The only thing seen so far that's close to the descriptions was a Texas Stadium on steroids looking thing with two arches. Nothing like the flying saucer conceptual renderings.

They've also mentioned competitive advantage as to why so secretive, so I'm guessing there will be something super unique about it? Looking at the site itself, there is nothing symmetrical about the bowl(good!). Wonder if that will be part of the big deal, or some very open end. Remember there was talk of a huge retractable wall at one or both ends in the conceptual. Who knows. We here in Dallas are totally at a loss when it comes to this stadium.

Yeah, the last renders I saw for this, it was huge and towering.

Apparently it will be ~300ft tall

yawn..... call me when the NFL moves to a 16 home game and 16 away game schedule.......

okie dokie

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- The exterior will be tile, concrete and steel, no brick
You mean no "fake brick" like the textured concrete panels so popular with retro ballparks? :yes:

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I mention it, because its neighbor is Ameriquest Field which was built with Texas Red Brick and Limestone. It has been mentioned many times that this will be a modern design. No retro, no bricks.

It definitely appears that the New Cowboys Stadium will be a very stark contrast to The Ballpark and its adjacent (planned) Glorypark development.

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is this picture from world stadiums accurate about what this new stadium will look like

That's from the conceptual renderings. They were to conceptualize:

Modern architecture. Large retractable roof that goes from completely covered to partially covered. Lowest tier below ground level, retractable walls behind endzones and 3 tiers. More recent renderings(ones I don't want to be sued over), show something more like Texas Stadium, with two arches running over the stadium. Nothing seen of the interior yet. This thing is top secret for whatever reason.

Where can one see the newest renderings?

I would go to dallasnews.com and search the archive. You'll see the legal disclaimer even though it really isn't much to see. Just one small view from outside of one end. According to the Cowboys, its not even a final design.

Great pics! You want to see the hole they dug out for the new shakhtar stadium in Ukraine equally impressive if not bigger!

I would go to dallasnews.com and search the archive. You'll see the legal disclaimer even though it really isn't much to see. Just one small view from outside of one end. According to the Cowboys, its not even a final design.

I read the article on dallasnews.com and was interested to see this:

stadium will seat about 75,000.

The drawings also give a hint of who might share the stadium with the Cowboys. The diagrams show the location of the locker room for the Dallas Desperados, the arena league football team owned by Jerry Jones.

The Desperados now play at American Airlines Center in Dallas.

OK, so how about this for a piece of idle speculation based on the merest scrap of evidence?

I reckon the "unique design feature" that is keeping this ultra top secret is a facility to turn the field-sized stadium into an court-sized arena.

I expect it to involve one or two movable end stands to transform the short ends of the 'field' orientation into the long sides of the 'arena' orientation.

Moving a three-tier stand back and forwards over 100yds is not a new concept. For years, the old Mile High Stadium in Denver used this principle to move one stand back to accommodate a baseball diamond.

I anticipate an arena configuration with a capacity of around 25,000-30,000 given a stadium configuration with a capacity of around 75,000-90,000. This would be designed to compete with the American Airlines Center for concerts and other events befitting a venue of this type.

No-one can tell me I'm wrong yet and only time will tell but I'm sure someone will try. Whether I am actually right or not is almost beside the point. Can anyone else come up with a better reason for all this secrecy?

Near-pointless speculation and conjecture is a large part of these forums anyway...

So basically you're saying it would be the Super Saitama Arena x 10? If they were to do this, it would be unique for such a large venue, with a retractable roof. I guess its possible. Look for tracks to show up soon if its so.

I think the whole security thing has something to do with field level suites. Having played at Texas Stadium, I'd imagine you'd be opening up lots of vulnerabilities by opening up that part of the stadium to whomever pays to be there.

I think the 'trade secret' has something to do with the roof and the two huge arches. Looking at the construction pics, you can see the two arch bases on each side. The roof will somehow ride these arches and be probably the largest of its kind in the world.

I don't know what to think of with the Desperadoes. Would it really be cost effective to add such an expensive feature to this stadium for concerts and arena football? I guess it might make sense, but they can never accoustically compete with the AAC, nor will they have a Victory surrounding the stadium. They've already mentioned large concerts and conventions. BTW, the Desperadoes already practice at Texas Stadium, so a locker room would make sense. Also, they have never drawn close to 20,000/game. They rarely even sell out while in the playoffs. But who knows, this is Jerrah, the great suburban developer.

Its true that no one knows what to expect here. The guy has a ton of money and is making a ton of money. He could do anything with it. It will always just be a suburban stadium in the middle of a parking lot, in the middle of a suburban hell to me. He had so much opportunity to really do something memorable and more than just a great stadium. Instead, he chose politics and sided with a city who thinks its too good to have bus or rail service.

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these were posted online at:
http://www.stadiumsofnfl.com/future/CowboysStadium.htm

Moving seats to reconfigure the stadium is not new. Quite a few stadiums in North America have the ability to do that. One prime example is San Antonio's Alamodome. 65000 for football 20000+ for basketball.

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these were posted online at:
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Those are the conceptual renderings I mentioned earlier. The small rendering released looks nothing like it.

Moving seats to reconfigure the stadium is not new. Quite a few stadiums in North America have the ability to do that. One prime example is San Antonio's Alamodome. 65000 for football 20000+ for basketball.

What we are talking about is something different. Google Super Saitama Arena, and you will see what we're talking about. We're not talking about moving stands(Mile High, Astrodome/Cinergy clones) or temp stands like the Domes use. We're talking about moving half of the building itself.

The actual plans, renderings, and a 3D fly-through will be unveiled next Tuesday.

The actual plans, renderings, and a 3D fly-through will be unveiled next Tuesday.

Seriously? Where did you find this info? Will there be an official unveiling or just some leak?

A poster by the name of Theebs posted the info on CowboysZone earlier today. He said that he heard it from hearing the Brad Sham show with MBIII and Rocket Ismail.

New, very interesting article.

Cowboys officials say venue will offer fun for all fans, but some aren't so sure


01:05 AM CST on Sunday, December 10, 2006
By MICHAEL GRANBERRY / The Dallas Morning News

From the moment team president Tex Schramm spotted luxury suites at a soccer stadium in Mexico City and decided to import the concept to the new Texas Stadium, the Dallas Cowboys have been trendsetters in design and in pulling every conceivable dollar from the building where they play.

Their new stadium, whose closely guarded secrets will be unveiled at a gala Tuesday night in Arlington, promises to carry many of the attributes that Texans hold dear. The cost of the stadium has swelled to $1 billion. Expectations are for nothing less than the biggest and the best of its kind, easily the most lavish of any stadium anywhere in the world.

The retractable-roof venue, with a capacity of 80,000 and ranging up to 100,000 for select events, is expected to deliver on much of what Arlington residents hoped for in voting to finance $325 million of the stadium's cost, or half its original estimate. It should elevate the city's profile while serving as a magnet for marquee events.

"The Cowboys are one of the world's premier sports franchises, and their new stadium promises to reflect that status," said Greg Aiello, spokesman for the National Football League. "The facility will be a tremendous new asset to the Dallas-Fort Worth community. It will certainly take the experience of attending Cowboys games to an entirely new level and will benefit the region in many positive ways, both tangibly and otherwise."

Others, however, worry more about the intangibles. While the stadium figures to make good on much of its bounty – hosting the Super Bowl, the NCAA Final Four basketball championship, college football's Bowl Championship Series title game and maybe even the annual Texas-Oklahoma game – critics are concerned about a deeper, sociological issue.

New stadiums, increasingly dependent on both taxpayer revenue and the wealthiest customers it can place in the seats, run the risk, many say, of widening the gulf between the haves and have-nots.

"Sports is inseparable from society," said Dr. Harry Edwards, professor emeritus at the University of California at Berkeley and a consultant to the San Francisco 49ers, who are soliciting his advice about their own new-stadium issues. "The reality is that we're leaving increasing numbers of people behind."

'Better deal'
Cowboys owner Jerry Jones, who spearheaded the stadium project, said Friday that the taxpayers of Arlington are getting "a better deal than they thought." Costs for the team's new home recently jumped to $1 billion, he said, leaving the city's capped contribution at "about a third." Mr. Jones sees the stadium as having great benefit for all fans, regardless of income.

"I say that with excitement, because we're going to have a venue here for them that, frankly, will be the most visible building in this country," he said.

"My reason and rationale behind that is, we know the visibility of the NFL. All you've got to do is look at the ratings and the programming that we see daily. Within the NFL, the No. 1 television team is the Dallas Cowboys. And so this venue, apart from what it brings to the table ... is going to have that kind of visibility."

He also cited "flexibility," saying the room to pack in as many as 100,000 fans, some in standing-room-only areas of the end zones, accounts for "a significant contribution to the makeup of our total fan base. We're going to be able to have price plans with our tickets that would allow the fan that can't or doesn't do the suite thing to be a part of this experience."

In addition, he said the stadium will use modern technology "to entertain our fans," regardless of where they sit.

Cowboys executive vice president Stephen Jones, the owner's son, said the viewing experience for all fans will be upgraded dramatically in ways that won't compare even remotely with Texas Stadium.

"We have enhanced what you'll experience, whether you're a premium-seating, club-space fan or a general-admission fan," he said. "We have been very cognizant as we moved through this process to make that experience, no matter what fan you are," a far more impressive experience.

Previous homes
The Arlington structure under construction marks the Cowboys' third generation of stadiums. The first was the Cotton Bowl, devoid of a single luxury suite, where fans from Highland Park and South Dallas parked in the same parking lot and strode as one to the same $6 seats.

Texas Stadium, opened in 1971, represented a departure. Clint Murchison Jr., the team's original owner, and Mr. Schramm, its original president, used a financing system wherein fans purchased construction bonds ranging from $250 to $1,000 per seat to pay the stadium's cost.

Public money was spared, but some complained that Texas Stadium had aggressively redefined the team's clientele, robbing it of the diversity it enjoyed at the Cotton Bowl. Some fans worry that the new stadium, despite being at least partially funded with public money, will carry the same effect – unavoidably.

"I am one of those opposed to using taxpayer dollars for stadiums," said Henry Lawson, executive director of the SouthFair Community Development Corp., located in the shadow of Fair Park, where the team made its debut in 1960 and where many had hoped the Cowboys would return. "In my view, very little ever comes back to the community in the long run."

In recent years, Mr. Lawson has noticed what he calls a fascinating trend at Cowboys games: increasingly large numbers of Hispanics filling the stands.

"This is their team," he said, asking, "What will happen to those people" when the new stadium opens. Will they, too, feel disenfranchised, just as many did when the Cowboys abandoned Fair Park?

Cynthia Gonzalez says that Mr. Lawson is onto something. A longtime Cowboys fan, Ms. Gonzalez said it saddens her to go to games and see fewer families.

"A family of four, with two kids, ought to be able to go to any sporting event for $100," she said. At Texas Stadium, the Cowboys' top ticket price is $93. The minimum is $48. In 1998, its top-of-the-line Platinum suites required a 10-year lease for $2 million (with annual payments of $200,000).

Ms. Gonzalez purchased season tickets in 2005 for her and her nephew but gave them up this season. The total package plus parking cost $1,700, not counting food.

But as a graduate of the University of Texas and one who serves on the Longhorn Foundation Advisory Council, Ms. Gonzalez said she doesn't blame the Cowboys. She's aware of the economic realities of college and professional sports.

Even so, "the reality is that increasingly large numbers of people are being left behind," Dr. Edwards said. "And it's not just people sitting in the stands. There are entire communities in America where people can't afford either cable or satellite television, much less high-definition TVs.

"So what you have is a disconnect between sport and its pool of talent. The rich and the superrich do not produce athletes. They produce politicians and in some cases presidents. It's the working classes and the lower classes that produce most of our athletes. And they come from communities whose residents find it harder and harder to go to the games, and in some cases, watch them on television."

What might have been
The Jones family, which in recent years has made generous donations to Southern Methodist University, the Salvation Army and the Dallas Center for the Performing Arts, said Friday that the stadium represents a victory for the region as a whole.

Gene Jones, wife of the Cowboys' owner, said the interactive Cowboys Experience and Hall of Fame exhibit, which will rise alongside the stadium, should be a favorite destination for schoolchildren and families long after its opening in 2009.

For others, the stadium represents a miscalculation by Dallas officials, whose city would no doubt benefit from an area Super Bowl.

"It's a missed opportunity that in my view will cost us for years to come," said attorney and mayoral candidate Darrell Jordan, who once spearheaded an effort to dome the Cotton Bowl. "I continue to believe that it would have been in the best interests of Dallas for the stadium to have been built in Fair Park.

"The Cowboys would have been able to take credit for helping rejuvenate a vital part of the city. I'm not here to point fingers or lay blame. But it's a shame it didn't happen."

The opportunity to land such a stadium comes around "every 40 to 50 years," Mr. Jordan said, "so, chances are, it won't happen again in our lifetime."

Despite the fact that he wishes "it were here and not there," he, too, sees the reality of what the Cowboys' new home will be – and won't be.

"I won't be surprised at all if it's not a very egalitarian place or that the gulf widens further between fans that can go to the games and fans that can't," Mr. Jordan said. "I don't know what the tickets will cost. ... I can only imagine. It will probably price a lot of people out of the market, but in that respect, pro football is no different from a lot of other sports.

"It really is nothing at all like it was when we sat at the Cotton Bowl, huddled in the cold and the rain. Sadly, those days are gone. In the newest stadiums and even at Texas Stadium, you never really get the same sense. I suppose it's a byproduct of the passage of time."

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Interesting. Cost now @ $1 billion. Capacity now @ 80,000

This article certainly addresses a huge issue right now. The NFL is at the peak of its popularity, and many are wondering if they will price themselves out of the general public because they can. This is similar to the post Ali era in the 80s in boxing here in the US. Prices significantly began to rise at the matches. Television went from network to cable to exclusive premium cable deals to mostly pay-per-view for big matches. The boxing promoters make just as much now, but the sport has totally declined in popularity with the general public. I've read many similar commentaries on the NFL in the last couple of years. The NFL used to be a total free to the air network affair. Enjoying huge ad dollars. Then it started moving a game each week to cable. Then it added some satellite deals for every game and select games being available for free. Now they've moved Monday Night Football to cable as well as having their own cable network that most cable outlets don't carry. I'm betting they end up on PPV and premium cable channels. The owners won't care because there are enough wealthy in the US to finance it. The problem, like in boxing would be the loss in general public popularity, hence a loss in the quality of player over the next decade. Look how quickly boxing has fallen off in the last decade at the highest levels. If soccer wants to thrive in the U.S., this next ten years could be crucial with the NFL going away from the GP. I'd be pushing for as many inner-city venues as I could(even using older NFL stadiums that are being abandoned. Keep the ticket prices low and sell yourself on network television. I hate to see it. The NFL is at the beginning of cutting their own hands off.

good. May the NHL and MLS rise out of the ashes of the NFL and NBA !!

good. May the NHL and MLS rise out of the ashes of the NFL and NBA !!

the NHL won't until it gets a new commissioner.

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Wow, the renderings are awesome. More to come soon

you think we will get some more by late tonight there Rant?

How about this
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What a great fuckin stadium this will be.

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Features:

- $1.1 billion dollars(Stadium alone)
- 80,000 permanent seats, expandable to 100,000 through terraces and temporary seating
- 2.3 million square feet
- 4 seating tiers and 4 levels of luxury suites
- dual 50 foot tall x 180 foot wide jumbotrons as well as two 23 x 48 boards facing each endzone
- Retractable roof that opens to replicate Texas Stadium's roof
- supported by two 1,290 foot arches
- 120 foot tall, by 80 foot wide retracting glass walls that will feature 10 panels at each end of the stadium
- retracting glass panels between roof and stands for extra ventilation or completely enclosed modes
- Glass and limestone exterior
- Two large exterior video screens
- New Cowboys ring of honor
- 1600 restrooms(many reversible to gender)
- 286 concession areas and 23 bars or lounges
- 15,000 club seats(huge amount)
- Field level suites with exclusive content and access to team
- FieldTurf surface(no surprise, Jerry loves it)
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How about this
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What a great fuckin stadium this will be.

Holy freak!!! World's Greatest!!!:banana:

I will get those pics capped and get the info up.

wow, in terms of amentities, technology, and specs it could very well be.

My favorite parts....

- 120 foot tall, by 80 foot wide retracting glass walls that will feature 10 panels at each end of the stadium
- retracting glass panels between roof and stands for extra ventilation or completely enclosed modes

I think its so cool and important for enclosed stadiums to have such features in order to give good air flow and a feel of visual space and vistas.

I can't beleive those arches are 1,290 feet high. That seems so damn high that I would think that they would be protruding high above the stadium.

I am also surprised they aren't having the natural roll out turf (like AZ's new stadium). Though the jury it still out in my mind on how much I like the concept. The grass could be go completely natural though in the future if they wanted no?

Oh yea, the all glass sides on the outside (it looks like it will be all glass) will look pretty sick I am guessing. It should give a real great effect especially at night.

Wow, very well thought out(except for the location and transportation situation). The building at least. The endzone seating is very well thought out for expansion. For large events like the Superbowl, they can easily add seating with great views. Looks like they followed the trend of more innovative seating bowls with views of the field even when transitioning to different sections of the stadium as well.

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With the great circulation and lots of natural light, it seems they could, but the roof doesn't look designed for it though. Their current artificial surface is incredible though. One of a kind(company only did one install) that is basically two of the infill turfs on top of each other. One more rigid than the other, with a more course sand and rubber mix. Voted twice as the best surface in the NFL by the players. Wondering if Jerry didn't buy that company and will have them do the new stadium

You Dallas fans should have fun:cheers:


I wonder with all these new stadiums what the Super Bowl rotation will look like in the next twenty years. Dolphin Stadium and the Superdome are already getting a bit archaic for the big show (though still very capable). But those cities are also very associated with having the game every few years. With Houston, Phoenix, and Dallas (not to mention domes in Indy, Detroit, and maybe Minny? one day) getting great new stadiums I wonder if they will expand the rotation some cities will replace some more the others. The northern cities likely will not get them more then once every ten years and probably more like twenty if that though. I am guessing the new Dallas stadim will get at least two within the first twelve years it opens.

Miami has actually announced a renovation and addition of a retractable roof. Atlanta has a reno on the table for the Georgia Dome. The Superdome was just completely renovated. You're right, it should be very interesting. I'm still thinking it stays in cities that are warm during January. Dallas isn't really(though it can be) and the stadium is a decent drive to each downtown in the metroplex. I'd be surprised, even with this great stadium if the metroplex gets more than one. I see Phoenix, LA/SD, Miami, New Orleans rotating once the new stadium dust settles.

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Nice

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I know I'm doing an image overload, but they've provided a ton

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Its great how much the roof resembles Texas Stadium's

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more concourse and other facilities coming later.

Nice but to be honest it borrows lots from Phoenix.

Nice but to be honest it borrows lots from Phoenix.

Phoenix and the new stadium borrowed from Texas Stadium. Both have publicly stated many times and both were concieved around the same period. Obviously they don't have the capcity demand or suite or club seating demand that the Cowboys have though. So you end up with 4 levels of suites vs 2. 2 club levels vs 1. 4 tiers vs 3. Both endzones bowled in vs 1. Upper deck endzone seating vs none. 80,000 vs 63,000 permanent seats. I think of this as more of a modern design of Lucas Oil Stadium A lot of the same concepts in both. One retro, one modern.

need a big version of this one.

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Wow!

So much for my 'stadium/arena' theory then! :)

Some of these numbers are mind-boggling. I've done some quick comparisons with Wembley, which is the only other project of this scale that I can think of. Even then, it eclipses Wembley in a number of areas:

Features:

- $1.1 billion dollars(Stadium alone). ...or ~£600m. Wembley is (at today's rates) still slightly more expensive (!), coming in at around £800m.

- 80,000 permanent seats, expandable to 100,000 through terraces and temporary seating. Wembley has 90,000 with generous spacing which (if you believe the rumours) can be expanded to over 100,000 if they're all made more cramped.

- 2.3 million square feet. Wembley has a circumference of 1km. My maths tells me the site therefore occupies a 856,500 sq ft footprint. I presume the Texas figure is the total area of all floors.

- 4 seating tiers and 4 levels of luxury suites. Wembley has 3 tiers, split by 2 levels of continuous luxury suites.

- dual 50 foot tall x 180 foot wide jumbotrons as well as two 23 x 48 boards facing each endzone. Wembley struggles to come close to this. The two Jumbo screens at Wembley are billed as 'the size of 600 domestic TV's'. Again, a bit of maths and an assumption of 28" as a 'standard' size gives a figure of around 3,217 sq ft screen coverage for each of the two screens. Assuming a 16:9 ratio, that gives an approximate size of 42 x 76 feet, bigger than the endzone-facing screens, but about a third of the size of the 'main' screens.

- Retractable roof that opens to replicate Texas Stadium's roof. Retractable roof at Wembley, though not one that closes fully.

- supported by two 1,290 foot arches. Wembley, as we all know has its own single arch. The height is billed as '133m above the level of the external concourse'. Convert that to feet and it becomes around 436 feet at its highest point. There has been a presumption that the figure of 1,290 feet is the equivalent height measurement of the two arches at Arlington. That's ridiculously high, taller than the roof (but not the spire) of the Empire State Building, so I think the figure relates to the length of the curve of each arch. I can only speculate that this suggests a height of about 300 feet at its highest point, but it's safe to say not as tall as Wembley.

- 120 foot tall, by 80 foot wide retracting glass walls that will feature 10 panels at each end of the stadium. Again, a similar but not identical measurement at Wembley helps compare. The roof height is billed as '52 metres above the pitch'. That equates to 170 feet which is a good indication of the height of the external glass walls.

- Two large exterior video screens. Something like this is implied by the early Wembley renders but I think that the image shown there will be a still photo printed onto a fabric or canvas covering. No external screens then!

- New Cowboys ring of honor. Not quite clear what this means. I think it means the sort of patio area behind the 'open' end of the ground. No equivalent at Wembley.

- 1600 restrooms(many reversible to gender). Famously, Wembley has 2,618 toilets, billed as the most for any building in the world. Trying to work out what 'reversible to gender' means. Guessing that they can be gender-reassigned as and when needed, in order not to need to have as many?

- 286 concession areas and 23 bars or lounges. No data to hand. I expect a similar amount at Wembley, though perhaps with fewer distinct, but more capacious (number of diners) catering facilities. The main restaurant is supposed to be the biggest in London for the number of diners.

- 15,000 club seats(huge amount). Ah, this sounds like the debenture holders' middle tier. From memory, this seems a similar number to Wembley.

- Field level suites with exclusive content and access to team. No equivalent. I'm still curious to see how this would work for Jerry. Surely, the action would be obscured by all the Offense/Defense/Special players milling about between you and the field of play...

- FieldTurf surface(no surprise, Jerry loves it). Natural grass! No other choice, I'm afraid. Soccers fans, British sports fans and most importantly, FIFA not only love it, but insist on it!!

Phoenix and the new stadium borrowed from Texas Stadium. Both have publicly stated many times and both were concieved around the same period. Obviously they don't have the capcity demand or suite or club seating demand that the Cowboys have though. So you end up with 4 levels of suites vs 2. 2 club levels vs 1. 4 tiers vs 3. Both endzones bowled in vs 1. Upper deck endzone seating vs none. 80,000 vs 63,000 permanent seats. I think of this as more of a modern design of Lucas Oil Stadium A lot of the same concepts in both. One retro, one modern.

I'm not knocking it. It's nice, but like I said it is similar to Phoenix. Not that its a bad thing. Just that Phoenix is already there and now Dallas is building something that has an overall similarity. As for Phoenix and Texas Stadium looking similar I'll grant you that.

One thing I don't understand is the field turf? $1 billion in price and they can't get a natural surface?

The "ring of honor" is a part of the fascia where they put the name and number of retired Cowboy greats.

It's very complicated.

I hate domes, even retractable ones.

:eek2: WOW...how bout them cowboys

im glad they kept the Texas Stadium look so now....
GOD CAN STILL WATCH HIS BOYS

video fly-through now up at http://stadium.dallascowboys.com/

Looks much more spectacular in the video!

Found this article. One thing that jumped out at me. The AVERAGE ticket price will be $100.

Fans love, hate new stadium design
By SALLY CLAUNCH and ANDREA AHLES
STAR-TELEGRAM STAFF WRITERS

ARLINGTON — A computer mouse? A Space Age football? A Bose Wave radio?

Those comparisons and more have been among the reactions of fans and experts today as final designs for the new Dallas Cowboys stadium were made public.

Roger DeFrang, a Cowboys season ticket holder from Arlington, was most pleased to see the hole in the $1 billion stadium’s retractable roof, echoing the trademark of Texas Stadium in Irving.

“So many times tradition is eliminated,” he said. “But the fact that they left the hole in the roof, that’s beyond tradition.”

DeFrang called the design fan-friendly with its numerous video screens and plaza area where patrons can gather to watch the game while standing at bar tables. Those features will offer fans a suite-like experience without the suite-level price.

Though the stadium will have 80,000 permanent seats, DeFrang said he was surprised that the venue isn’t bigger. Texas Stadium seats almost 58,000; the new stadium will be expandable to 100,000 seats for other events.

Critics called the stadium design a monstrosity and decried the projected average ticket price of $98.88 that the Cowboys have cited in financing documents. They also complained about the $325 million contribution that Arlington voters committed toward the project through various taxes.

But Bruce Deramus, Chairman of Concerned Taxpayers of Arlington, a watchdog group opposed to the stadium, said the building looks like a cross between a whaling ship and a Bose Wave radio.

“A big problem with this kind of design is it becomes dated really quick,” he said.

Deramus said team owner Jerry Jones should have been more conscious of the traditional architecture that’s already in Arlington, such as Ameriquest Field.

“With the ballpark, this is a style that Arlington has committed to, and the new stadium is not that,” he said. “But of course, this isn’t about Arlington.”

traditional style of Arlington? LOL

^ Yeah, that's just silly.

And the video does indeed rock.

I'm loving this stadium design. The scale of the development is incredible. The expandable tiers at the endzones are a great idea and I like the staircases that have a view of the field of play. I knew Wembley wouldn't be the best new stadium in the world forever but this one has come along and taken my breath away. So refreshing to see an NFL stadium that isn't just a huge roofless bowl (eg the monstrosity in Baltimore). This one has been designed with real imagination.

My one caveat is that as with many of the enormous american stadia, it seems to be getting built miles away from the city. This means fans will have to travel by car. I know its a different transport culture in america but (environmental issues aside) one of the great things about going to sporting events in European cities is the bus/train ride followed by walk to the stadium with thousands of other fans. I often enjoy these journeys as much as the game itself and I think American sports fans are missing out on something quite precious. Nonetheless: Dallas Cowboys, I salute you.

PS. What's going to happen to the existing Cowboys stadium? I always liked this stadium - is it going to get pulled down?

Will this stadium be featured in the signature of the third "Dallas" reunion?

This is one big bad ass stadium!!!

There are redevelopment plans in the planning stage for the old site. They've narrowed it down to 3. They involve keeping the roof, some keeping the lower bowl, other making the area under the roof part of a park. I hope they keep the lower bowl in some form and use it as a high school stadium for the Irving high schools and playoff games. All would be urban type developments, which is ironic because how barren and suburban the site currently is. Also ironic, the rail line will finally reach the old stadium site the year after this one opens. There are rendering somewhere.

We don't like the suburban site either. Should be a traffic nightmare. This thing was originally planned to be near downtown Dallas with a rail line running through the development, but politics got in the way. So here we are. Its hard to read the trend of where stadiums are going. Baseball stadiums are decidely going inner city. There are very few suburban MLB stadiums as we speak. Of course, one of these is next door to the new Cowboys Stadium. Football stadiums are going both ways. Some downtown, some suburban. It usually comes down to if a city can wade through the politics to get the stadium downtown. When that breaks down, there are usually a million suburbs willing to take on some cost in order to make a name for themselves. Problem is, you get a game in Glendale and during the broadcast, they are showing mountains or downtown Phoenix. You get a game in Irving, TX and they show lots of shots of downtown Dallas or Fort Worth. And they always say the game is in Dallas, or we'll see you next week in Dallas. The host city is rarely mentioned. Arlington would be wise to incorporate Arlington into the name by buying naming rights as they did originally with the baseball stadium

My one caveat is that as with many of the enormous american stadia, it seems to be getting built miles away from the city. This means fans will have to travel by car. I know its a different transport culture in america but (environmental issues aside) one of the great things about going to sporting events in European cities is the bus/train ride followed by walk to the stadium with thousands of other fans. I often enjoy these journeys as much as the game itself and I think American sports fans are missing out on something quite precious. Nonetheless: Dallas Cowboys, I salute you.

What about the NFL tradition of tail-gating? That requires a car and there's no equivalent culture in any form of European sport.

Well, if its anything like Texas Stadium in the 90s, it won't be allowed anyway. It is allowed now, but I don't know Jerry or Arlington's take on it. Also, Tailgating is plenty alive in places there isn't a lot of parking. Most of the big college campus stadiums are pretty urban in comparison to NFL stadiums as far as parking goes and it doesn't hurt the tailgating at all. I guess technically it becomes something else when its not out of a car, but same principles apply.

wowww that stadium it is just orgasmic!

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Will naming rights be sold? I would hope not a single penny of public funds are constructing this gem, as most taxpayers will not be able to afford to enter it.

:grouphug:

http://www.crossroadsdfw.com/


This is the site for the future use of Texas Stadium after the Cowboys leave Irving for Arlington.

Will naming rights be sold? I would hope not a single penny of public funds are constructing this gem, as most taxpayers will not be able to afford to enter it.

:grouphug:

Naming rights are being shopped behind closed doors. Don't know how they will administer this.

The citizens of Arlington, TX voted on a measure to raise their sales tax rate to .0825 in order to pay for a capped amount of $325 million in November of 2004. The measure easily passed. The rest of the $1.1 billion is being paid for by the team. Arlington had long had one of the lowest sales tax rates in the state of Texas because of a lack of public transit. They used the same means of funding ten years earlier to build Ameriquest Field.

What about the NFL tradition of tail-gating? That requires a car and there's no equivalent culture in any form of European sport.

Is tailgating the practice of enjoying a barbecue out the back of someone's SUV? pls describe; being a European, I have no idea what it is....

Is tailgating the practice of enjoying a barbecue out the back of someone's SUV? pls describe; being a European, I have no idea what it is....

Basically. People bring a cooler of beer, sandwiches, meats of all kinds, chips, dips, whips (sorry, no whips), radios, and may even throw around some football, frisbee, or baseball in the lots 2-6 hours before a game. Maybe talk and get to know some of the fellow tail gating parties around ya and even maybe swap some food.

yeah, that does sound good. would fancy doing that under clear texan skies. in fact, at this moment in time, it sounds a whole lot more attractive as a pre-match build up than traipsing through the streets of some industrial city surrounded by groups of lager swilling incoherents. I'd be disappointed to hear if they have discontinued the practice at some nfl grounds.

Is tailgating the practice of enjoying a barbecue out the back of someone's SUV? pls describe; being a European, I have no idea what it is....

It's pretty much what happens in the West Car Park at Twickenham, but replace champagne with Budweiser, and Bentleys with pickup trucks :D

What's at the tailgate is very regionalized and personalized. Some bring wine and cheese. Some bring lobster or crab legs up in New England. You might get some great rubbed bbq in Dallas. Or some local draft and polish sausage in Chicago. And some of the RVs or coaches that these rich alumni show up in put those Bentley's to shame in cost and what kind of party you can throw down when you have a whole wine cabinet, plasma screen, retractable tents and a grill built into the things.

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As you can see from the pics, college tailgates(first pic) are much, much more grand and organized due to the whole alumni factor. A lot of the bigger tailgates will just encourage people to come by and grab a plate. There are many groups out there that will just sponsor these things and have the best food you've ever had in your life.

http://www.crossroadsdfw.com/
This is the site for the future use of Texas Stadium after the Cowboys leave Irving for Arlington.

There's also this for additional visual references:
http://forum.dallasmetropolis.com/showpost.php?p=227860&postcount=114

And, these as well:
http://www.nbc5i.com/download/2006/0921/9904758.pdf
http://www.nbc5i.com/download/2006/0921/9904452.pdf

http://www.crossroadsdfw.com/


This is the site for the future use of Texas Stadium after the Cowboys leave Irving for Arlington.

To be honest the best outcome would be to bulldoze the stadium. If it is kept open as any kind of sporting facility all it will do is split the sporting dollar amongst more groups. Since there is plans to renovate and expand the Cotton Bowl, does the area really need three large football facilities? Not to mention the Soccer stadium in the North part of the Metro and TCU stadium. As well as SMU.

Very, very nice stadium apart from the inside - which is ghastly.

The City of Irving owns Texas Stadium. I think they'd be wise to use it as a new high shool stadium for Irving who has only one stadium. Now that Irving seems to be surging in population again, they'll need a new one soon This wouldn't be hard to make into the premier high school venue in the country. The lowest tier is at ground level. They could leave the sideline seats and create a lawn at each end of the bowl. Build a nice Press Box and leave the roof. Voila. Best High School venue in the country.

Very, very nice stadium apart from the inside - which is ghastly.

What's wrong with the inside? I'm guessing the open ends?

The City of Irving owns Texas Stadium. I think they'd be wise to use it as a new high shool stadium for Irving who has only one stadium. Now that Irving seems to be surging in population again, they'll need a new one soon This wouldn't be hard to make into the premier high school venue in the country. The lowest tier is at ground level. They could leave the sideline seats and create a lawn at each end of the bowl. Build a nice Press Box and leave the roof. Voila. Best High School venue in the country.

I wouldnt want it to become the High School Stadium

(wich means it would be the main stadium for the three schools here -Irving HS {tigers}, Nimitz HS {vikings}, & MacArthur HS{cardinals} )

Even though our population is growing, ISS (irving school stadium) was recently redone in 2001-2002 school year, before football season of course, so there would be no need at the immidiate moment to relocate to Texas Stadium and ISS has always been on that spot since before my parents went to high school, and it is in (near) historic downtown Irving.

and it would really distrupt our rivalrys!!

Irving vs Mac

Irving HS (the south-central school) (my school) and has always hated Mac (the northern school) Its our annual SMACK MAC game...one side black & gold and the other red & white..half the city shuts down for this...

Nimitz vs Mac
Nimitz is the far southern school in the city and has the traditional cross town rivalry with Mac but its no where nere as big as the Irving game..and ISS is a sort of nuetral spot for this game...

Having Texas Stadium as the high school stadium would put the games in Cardnal territory and i can tell u the athletic directors aswell as the students (Irving's and Nimitz's) wont have it like that.

but im all for it becoming the main stadium in texas for THE PLAYOFFS AND STATE CHAMPIOSHIP games

Wow, very well thought out(except for the location and transportation situation). The building at least. The endzone seating is very well thought out for expansion. For large events like the Superbowl, they can easily add seating with great views. Looks like they followed the trend of more innovative seating bowls with views of the field even when transitioning to different sections of the stadium as well.

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I've always wondered how they were going to add to the capacity but this pic clearly demonstrates how temporary seats/stands can easily be added in the end zones without looking like they're temporary . . . very cool indeed.

In fact this whole stadium just oozes in WOW and the only disappointment for me is the top tier. Personally I hate stairs on the inside and would've liked to have seen one large tier running along the sidelines but I will reserve judgment until it's finished.

Early days yet but I think we may have found our "worlds best" rectangular stadium. :cheers:

The model
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screens

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ehh....
Will the place be FIFA approved for US soccer games ??

I was wondering that with the immovable suites at ground level. If its not, it would be the first built in the NFL this decade that isn't. Could always write HKS and ask.

worthy of a top 5 world-franchise. I think this stadium will end up looking MUCH better than the renderings, although i love how Jerry spares no expense with making models, having rederings drawn, presentations, etc.

It went from a vacuum to a saturation. This stadium should push the Cowboys into the #1 spot of World's Most Valuable sports team.

worthy of a top 5 world-franchise. I think this stadium will end up looking MUCH better than the renderings, although i love how Jerry spares no expense with making models, having rederings drawn, presentations, etc.

It went from a vacuum to a saturation. This stadium should push the Cowboys into the #1 spot of World's Most Valuable sports team.

I wouldn't go that far as saying #1. Right now they are #3 in NFL. Behind New England and Washington.

I wouldn't go that far as saying #1. Right now they are #3 in NFL. Behind New England and Washington.

This is all the while New England has been great, and they and the Redskins have much newer stadiums. The difference isn't that great either. This will easily put them over the top. Yes, grounds are part of the equation Forbes uses.

Actually right now Washington is valued about $400 million more than Dallas. And surprisingly enough they are starting to think about a new stadium on the RFK stadium site. I've seen reports of a stadium pushing 100 000 with a retractable roof and all the bells.

So Dallas may not have the biggest best stadium for long in the NFL.

As for #1 worldwide when it can compete with some of Europes soccer teams then it will be close to #1.

ehh....
Will the place be FIFA approved for US soccer games ??

I don't see why not.

Actually right now Washington is valued about $400 million more than Dallas. And surprisingly enough they are starting to think about a new stadium on the RFK stadium site. I've seen reports of a stadium pushing 100 000 with a retractable roof and all the bells.

So Dallas may not have the biggest best stadium for long in the NFL.

The Dallas Cowboys are $250 million below the Redskins with a 35 year old stadium that doesn't make the suite revenue the Redskins do and who has a stadium that isn't near the size and that they don't own. The new stadium should more than make up this difference.

The stadium they were talking about for RFK was the baseball park for the Nationals. The new stadium will go at a different site. There's been no talk of Teh Daniel building a new stadium to replace the most profitable stadium in the NFL that was built in 1995.

As for #1 worldwide when it can compete with some of Europes soccer teams then it will be close to #1.

*Makes a quick search of Forbes.com "The Lists"*

1 Manchester United England 1,373 36 10 298 82.5
2 Real Madrid Spain 1,012 54 10 334 30.0
3 AC Milan Italy 921 0 3 283 42.5
4 Arsenal England 841 74 37 207 31.6
5 Bayern Munich Germany 769 0 23 229 54.4
6 Juventus Italy 687 4 -18 278 82.3
7 Chelsea England 508 0 13 267 -11.3
8 Internazionale Milan Italy 504 NA -17 215 21.5
9 Barcelona Spain 440 NA 13 252 18.9

VS

1 Washington Redskins 1,423 13 17 303 108.4
2 New England Patriots 1,176 13 26 250 43.6
3 Dallas Cowboys 1,173 10 17 235 37.1
4 Houston Texans 1,043 10 29 222 57.6
5 Philadelphia Eagles 1,024 8 32 218 54.2
6 Denver Broncos 975 7 21 207 26.9
7 Cleveland Browns 970 9 10 206 47.1
8 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 955 9 15 203 56.9
9 Baltimore Ravens 946 9 29 201 27.8
10 Chicago Bears 945 9 20 201 51.5

1 New York Yankees 1026 8 12 277 -50.0
2 Boston Red Sox 617 10 39 206 -18.5
3 New York Mets 604 20 42 195 -16.1
4 Los Angeles Dodgers 482 14 87 189 13.4
5 Chicago Cubs 448 12 0 179 7.9
6 Washington Nationals 440 42 27 145 27.9
7 St Louis Cardinals 429 16 47 165 7.9
8 Seattle Mariners 428 3 23 179 7.3
9 Philadelphia Phillies 424 8 42 176 14.8

Meaning

1.) Washington Redskins(biggest stadium in the NFL, built in 1995)
2.) Manchester United (bigger stadium, much more recent work done to it)
3.) New England Patriots(new stadium)
4.) Dallas Cowboys
5.) Houston Texans(bigger,new stadium)
6.) New York Yankees(most recognizeable name in American sports, plus their own tv deal, which the NFL doesn't allow except for exceptions)
7.) Philadelphia Eagles(new stadium)
8.) Real Madrid(much bigger stadium with more recent renovation work)
9.) Denver Broncos(much newer, bigger stadium)
10.) Cleveland Browns(bigger, newer stadium)

Never underestimate the $$$ the NFL is throwing around. There is not any catching up to do. This is for a sport that is only nationally popular.

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two more years to go....2009

(well three if you count 07)

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the new stadium should be awesome... wonder what the top secret thing is?

Wow, didn't know it was this far along already. Should be an awesome stadium.

Wow, didn't know it was this far along already. Should be an awesome stadium.

same here...i didnt even know it's being built........................c",)........

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Looks like one more level of Suites and then the top tier of seats. Seems like the arches should start going up soon.

Are the ground-level suites a novelty thing? I wonder how enjoyable it is to watch a game from the ground-level. I'd figure you have zero overview, or am I missing something here? I guess they expect everybody on the sideline to sit down... ;)

Unless they're there to cater specifically for the kind of corporate fan that doesn't actually watch any of the action, save for the odd glance at the TV screen in the box between schmoozing - because they'd be in the perfect place!

Unless they're there to cater specifically for the kind of corporate fan that doesn't actually watch any of the action, save for the odd glance at the TV screen in the box between schmoozing - because they'd be in the perfect place!

I think that's exactly what they're looking. The endzone field suites would be really cool though in goal line situations. Should also mention that in American football, the team and coaches on the sideline must stay between each 20.

update photos........anybody......?
I might have to ride to arlington this week.........heheheh

HD caps from local ABC affiliate WFAA

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Close up of Rangers Ballpark(formerly Ameriquest Field and Ballpark in Arlington)
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DAMN. This stadium has sprouted up quickly!!

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Still got a while to go before it's ready for Superbowl XLV, but it is taking shape nicely.

This has to be the most ridiculous name for a stadium ever!

This has to be the most ridiculous name for a stadium ever!

That's not the stadium's name, it's just a nickname.

no its real name it said on news in sarajevo

no its real name it said on news in sarajevo

Your incompetent news program got it wrong.

You show me where on the OFFICIAL SITE it says "Jerry's World"http://stadium.dallascowboys.com/

Your incompetent news program got it wrong.

You show me where on the OFFICIAL SITE it says "Jerry's World"http://stadium.dallascowboys.com/

And US news have never made a mistake? Give the guy a break.

And US news have never made a mistake? Give the guy a break.

Just saying what he saw was wrong, nothing against him but the news program he saw could have done SOME research. Since they didn't, they are incompetent.

JerryWorld's not so bad a name for a stadium! Not nearly as bad as Dick's Sporting Goods Park ;)

This has to be the most ridiculous name for a stadium ever!

The stadium is unnamed at this point. It most often goes by Cowboys Park or New Cowboys Stadium right now. The whole deal has been very secretive with details only being revealed after court orders, then the owner, Jerry Jones, makes a big splash about each secret revealed. The naming rights seem to be the next big thing. Either they have a huge sponsorship deal and are being tight lipped about it in order to make a big splash during the season, OR they don't have a naming sponsor yet.

JerryWorld is the moniker given to this project long before it had even a location. Cowboys owner Jerry Jones has made it no secret from the get go that he wanted one of the largest, nicest stadiums ever built. He always wanted huge development around it like museums, hotels, etc. but has scaled back as the stadium costs have soared over $1 billion and beyond, not to mention he didn't sucker Arlington out of as much money and land as he was planning to get out of Dallas or Irving. So expecting this giant themepark, one particular local sports radio show in Dallas started calling the project Jerry World, as if it were this huge theme park with everything Jerry wanted. Or perhaps we should call it Jerrah World in honor of his very southern accent(I have one too, so I have the right to make fun of it)

The stadium is unnamed at this point. It most often goes by Cowboys Park or New Cowboys Stadium right now. The whole deal has been very secretive with details only being revealed after court orders, then the owner, Jerry Jones, makes a big splash about each secret revealed. The naming rights seem to be the next big thing. Either they have a huge sponsorship deal and are being tight lipped about it in order to make a big splash during the season, OR they don't have a naming sponsor yet.

JerryWorld is the moniker given to this project long before it had even a location. Cowboys owner Jerry Jones has made it no secret from the get go that he wanted one of the largest, nicest stadiums ever built. He always wanted huge development around it like museums, hotels, etc. but has scaled back as the stadium costs have soared over $1 billion and beyond, not to mention he didn't sucker Arlington out of as much money and land as he was planning to get out of Dallas or Irving. So expecting this giant themepark, one particular local sports radio show in Dallas started calling the project Jerry World, as if it were this huge theme park with everything Jerry wanted. Or perhaps we should call it Jerrah World in honor of his very southern accent(I have one too, so I have the right to make fun of it)

Thanks for that. Glad to see that it's got a roof.

Looks real good from the outside, but i dont like the inside. Whats up with the silly half completed tiers behind the goals? Why not make the temporary seats permanent, it would look so much better if the ends were filled completely. And I dont like all the small tiers, makes it look less imposing and kind of messy.

Your incompetent news program got it wrong.

You show me where on the OFFICIAL SITE it says "Jerry's World"http://stadium.dallascowboys.com/

news was speak in english that is not my 1 language. Maybe i understood what newsman said has been wrong.

The stadium is unnamed at this point.
I like the Cleveland Browns and Green Bay Packers approach to naming rights. These teams sold the names of the main entrances to a handful of sponsors so they could use whatever stadium name they wanted.

:hug:

news was speak in english that is not my 1 language. Maybe i understood what newsman said has been wrong.

That's an honest mistake, I apologize for my harshness.

Looks real good from the outside, but i dont like the inside. Whats up with the silly half completed tiers behind the goals? Why not make the temporary seats permanent, it would look so much better if the ends were filled completely. And I dont like all the small tiers, makes it look less imposing and kind of messy.

Silly to you is innovation to designers and team needs:
- The capacity is 80,000 without the temp seats. I'm pretty sure the Cowboys could sell this out everytime, but obviously the team officials don't for now. As they've stated, they could easily make the seats permanent.
- Name an 80,000 seat stadium that can easily be expanded by 20,000. Its simply not doable in most places.
- Complete bowl + roof = stagnant refrigerator or sauna. They already know that because that's essentially what their current stadium is.
- To go along with the previous point, the glass panels behind said seats is retractable. The mission was to make this stadium like the old, but feel more like an outdoor stadium than the old stadium which actually feels like a dome inside. Therefore the glass ends that let light in while closed and allow good air flow while open.
- Your opinion of the aesthetics is just an opinion. It could turn out to be beautiful. Like the viewing decks in other new NFL stadiums, I think these will look really cool on game day. They will be filled with people hanging over the edges watching the game. I'm guessing some concessions will sit right behind this. It has also been stated that a limited number of standing room only tickets will be given, so this will have that cool look. I know some here feel they are beyond stading areas, but others seem to love them and think they add significantly to the atmosphere. I happen to like it.

Why have architects gone to smaller tiers instead of the huge old tiers(even in college expansions and new soccer stadiums)
- There are 3 true tiers(2 are split with only a center walkway). Not as small as you think.
- improved wheel chair and access for those with disabilities(required by the NFL, FIFA, most modern municipal bodies, and is actually part of being a 5-star stadium in Europe)
- improved entrance and exit time for patrons
- ability to create more facilities for each tier rather than combining concourses.
- Tiers create closer seats to the pitch, unless you create unusually steep stands, which is usually what happens. Height increases cost for reasons discussed in the in ground stadium thread. Those closer tiers create intimacy you just don't get with big tiers unless they are steep and tall. But then you run into problems listed above.

I don't think JerryWorld is perfect. I'm not a fan of the Texas Stadium roof, though I live in this metro and understand the tradition in it. But I think this is one of the most well thought out stadiums ever, if not the most well thought out.

Seems odd though that the stadium has 80,000 seats, but the space for expansion is so obvious in the design. Should've filled it up in my opinion.
At 100,000 capacity blackout rules would become a potential problem. This is why so few stadia in the NFL are above 80,000 in capacity. :yes:

^^ ^^ ^^

Yawn. :|

Anyway, back to the stadium. I knew it wouldn't be long before one of the NFL stadiums took Wembley's current (imo at least) crown as finest stadium in the world, but this should be a worthy successor in every way. I've never been to Arlington, but it seems a pretty impressive place on paper, what with the Rangers, Cowboys and a major university campus - quite a line-up for such a tiny city!

Oh, and I've got no idea how accurate those renderings were showing the big screens for this place, but if they're actually like that when completed then it will be astonishing - will anyone inside the stadium actually watch the field!? Also, why is it that US stadiums all seem to have super-widescreen images, and yet most live sports broadcasts seem to be stuck in the dark ages with a regular 4:3 screen ratio, or is that just the international broadcasts we get overe here?

Arlington is nothing special, just a big suburb next to Dallas, which feels like the biggest sprawl outside of L.A. Also I don't know of a major university in arlington. Austin is the great town in Texas, its beautiful great, a college town (The University of Texas is one of nicest campuses) with a real sense of community for a major city. Sports Facilities don't define the quality of a city, if they did arlington would be one of the greates places on earth. My Favorite Cities that I have been to are 1.Portland Oregon 2. Stuttgart Germany 3. Austin Texas (I am from Minneapolis, a city that I love but am probably a bit biased about so I won't include it). Frim my experience with Texas; Austin and San Antonio (also a great town) are the only places I would want to spend much time, Dallas and Houston (where they have no zoning at all!) areas are a mess.

Arlington is nothing special, just a big suburb next to Dallas, which feels like the biggest sprawl outside of L.A. Also I don't know of a major university in arlington. Austin is the great town in Texas, its beautiful great, a college town (The University of Texas is one of nicest campuses) with a real sense of community for a major city. Sports Facilities don't define the quality of a city, if they did arlington would be one of the greates places on earth. My Favorite Cities that I have been to are 1.Portland Oregon 2. Stuttgart Germany 3. Austin Texas (I am from Minneapolis, a city that I love but am probably a bit biased about so I won't include it). Frim my experience with Texas; Austin and San Antonio (also a great town) are the only places I would want to spend much time, Dallas and Houston (where they have no zoning at all!) areas are a mess.

I agree. Dallas or Houston don't have an original charm.

^^ ^^ ^^

Yawn. :|

Anyway, back to the stadium. I knew it wouldn't be long before one of the NFL stadiums took Wembley's current (imo at least) crown as finest stadium in the world, but this should be a worthy successor in every way. I've never been to Arlington, but it seems a pretty impressive place on paper, what with the Rangers, Cowboys and a major university campus - quite a line-up for such a tiny city!

Oh, and I've got no idea how accurate those renderings were showing the big screens for this place, but if they're actually like that when completed then it will be astonishing - will anyone inside the stadium actually watch the field!? Also, why is it that US stadiums all seem to have super-widescreen images, and yet most live sports broadcasts seem to be stuck in the dark ages with a regular 4:3 screen ratio, or is that just the international broadcasts we get overe here?

Many sports broadcasts here are widescreen HD, and in the NFL I believe every game is HD.

Arlington is nothing special, just a big suburb next to Dallas, which feels like the biggest sprawl outside of L.A. Also I don't know of a major university in arlington. Austin is the great town in Texas, its beautiful great, a college town (The University of Texas is one of nicest campuses) with a real sense of community for a major city. Sports Facilities don't define the quality of a city, if they did arlington would be one of the greates places on earth. My Favorite Cities that I have been to are 1.Portland Oregon 2. Stuttgart Germany 3. Austin Texas (I am from Minneapolis, a city that I love but am probably a bit biased about so I won't include it). Frim my experience with Texas; Austin and San Antonio (also a great town) are the only places I would want to spend much time, Dallas and Houston (where they have no zoning at all!) areas are a mess.

I lived in Austin for a while. As much as I loved the hills in the west, there is no way Austin or SA is greater than Houston or Dallas. West Austin is beautiful and UT is awesome, but those would be the only advantages as would the Riverwalk be for San Antonio. Otherwise that's it. Many visit these places and love them because they can experience these areas more thoroughly in a short time. One could never experience Dallas in one day, even if everything was in the downtown area. I could experience Austin in a day and a half.

And Arlington actually has UTA about 25,000 students strong.

Most NFL, NBA and MLB baseball games are broadcast in HD and the stadiums are equipped for it and broadcast it to their closed-circuit systems. Whether the end user gets that or not is another story and depends on the network. The video boards are accurately portrayed in the renderings and are to be 60 yards long on each side with two smaller, but very large screens at each end. By far the largest in the world unless someone changes that in the next two years. The advantage of such large screens is instead of placing static ads and purpose-built information boards and ads, one can use the large board instead. Its like the ad boards around a soccer stadium. If the NFL used these, they'd likely use parts of it to display stats and down information.

I had no idea UTA was anything big, but then again alot of people have no idea my school exists (UW-Milwaukee) and we have 27,000 students and D-1 athletics. Obviously nothing special next to Madison's Campus or in the ballpark of UT's
I could probably live in Austin for the rest of my life and be happy, but to each his own. I have spent some time in the four, though as tourist as opposed to a resident. My uncle actually has coordnated planning for both Austin and currently Dallas. Austin is much more my kind of town, its smaller, it doesn't sprawl, it has real sense of place/community and a strong artistic community. My experience with the Dallas area was big sprawl with making money and expanding being the only thing the city was concerned with. Houston is one step above Detroit for worst city that I have visited. The place was mess with nothing pedestrian oriented, a very uninspiring downtown, and lots of VERY visible poverty, but thats just what I saw from my time there. As with San Antonio I have only seen the touristy side of town, mostly the Riverwalk, which is absolutely spectacular.

it has real sense of place/community and a strong artistic community.

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Houston is one step above Detroit for worst city that I have visited. The place was mess with nothing pedestrian oriented, a very uninspiring downtown, and lots of VERY visible poverty, but thats just what I saw from my time there.

I'm guessing that you didn't visit the Montrose area or the Arts District.

I think that the last criticism you will get about Houston is a lack of an arts community.

I had no idea UTA was anything big, but then again alot of people have no idea my school exists (UW-Milwaukee) and we have 27,000 students and D-1 athletics. Obviously nothing special next to Madison's Campus or in the ballpark of UT's
I could probably live in Austin for the rest of my life and be happy, but to each his own. I have spent some time in the four, though as tourist as opposed to a resident. My uncle actually has coordnated planning for both Austin and currently Dallas. Austin is much more my kind of town, its smaller, it doesn't sprawl, it has real sense of place/community and a strong artistic community. My experience with the Dallas area was big sprawl with making money and expanding being the only thing the city was concerned with. Houston is one step above Detroit for worst city that I have visited. The place was mess with nothing pedestrian oriented, a very uninspiring downtown, and lots of VERY visible poverty, but thats just what I saw from my time there. As with San Antonio I have only seen the touristy side of town, mostly the Riverwalk, which is absolutely spectacular.

Austin doesn't sprawl? Austin sprawls all the way to Lake Travis. Lots of Exburbia, and is sprawling quickly to the north just as San Antonio is. Lots of the surrounding of Austin were little towns when I lived there, but many are now 10x the population they were. Austin and San Antonio were simply late with their corporate growth, while DFW and Houston boomed in the 80s and 90s(both are still booming).



Suite diagrams for JerryWorld

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Overlay of Texas Stadium(blue) vs JerryWorld(black)
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corporations usually own ethe most expensive suites at stadiums and arenas

Sure, although there are plenty of Millionaire/Billionaires looking for the biggest status symbols, like suites. Anymore recent constrution pics by the way?

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I don't think I have ever seen everything thats wrong with professional sports packaged so beautifully and impressively.

must admit it looks one fantastic stadium!huge too, i especially like the massive video screens (wish we got that sort of thing in the UK) the ground level suites and the different levels and cut offs (such as by the endzone, the smaller tiers)

however are they going to use a slightly synthetic pitch?not a lot of light is going to get to it and it doesnt have the option of being retracted outside which is a slight flaw imo (especially given the cost of the place!) but otherwise a fantastic addition to the NFL.

Besides the fact that the upper deck starts where a number of NFL stadiums end. And I would guess the atmosphere will be suspect, with all the suite levels (especially the endzone one, that is where you need your loudest, craziest, drunkest fans, not corporate entertainment), pushing the upper level so high (where real fans might be able to afford to sit, maybe) a very high roof and chances are absolutely absurd ticket prices (current cowboys tickets range from something like $60 to $134, and they will probably go up a good bit). Aesthetics, grandeur and comfort, if not proximity or affordability. With all the openable glass on both ends, round the upper tier and the retractable roof it should be able to support a grass field if they elect to go that rout, but field turf wouldn't suprise me at all.

Its already been announced to use the same surface Texas Stadium uses, which is annually voted as the best surface, grass or turf, in the NFL.

Its already been announced to use the same surface Texas Stadium uses, which is annually voted as the best surface, grass or turf, in the NFL.
That FieldTurf is good stuff, I would like to try it out sometime it looks soft. :yes:

Texas Stadium's is a one of a kind install called RealGrass. Its a bit more realistic than the others. Softer top blades, stiffer lower blades, sand infill. The company went bankrupt(I think Jerry bought them out) after the install.

From the renders, it doesnt look like the capacity is anywhere near 80,000+.

I always compare it to University of Phoenix for a size comparison.

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The bottom tier of U of Phoenix is the same size as the bottom two tiers of JerryWorld. The difference is, within that same space you get two levels of suites. Both then have a club seating section above this. The section seems much larger in JerryWorld. Perhaps 1/3 larger. Above this, Both have suite rings. UoP has 2 levels, with some suites spread from end zone to end zone on both sidelines. JerryWorld has 3 levels on the same "level" with suites and press area taking up every possible space on each sideline. Big suite number difference, meaning many more in the box seats of each suite. Both seem to have identical upper decks. JerryWorld then has 2 floating end zone seating areas on each end. UoP has one of these in one endzone, giving JerryWorld 4x this type of seat than UofP. So add those differences up and from UofP stadium and you easily get 80,000.

This....:

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.....just doesnt compare to this:

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/1594/dkrmemorialstadiumdj8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

The renderings on the previous page are some of the best I have ever seen of ANY structure. They look so real!

Is there any place I can find construction updates of the stadium. Lucas Oil Stadium has a webcam one can access to observe progress.

what the?

they have luxury suites at the endzones?

why?!

the loudest fans are supposed to go there...not some business suit that glances at the screen every now and then.

what the?

they have luxury suites at the endzones?

why?!

the loudest fans are supposed to go there...not some business suit that glances at the screen every now and then.

Business suits pay 100 times more than some TRUE fan off the street. If possible the Cowboys would build a stadium entirely of suites.

what the?

they have luxury suites at the endzones?

why?!

the loudest fans are supposed to go there...not some business suit that glances at the screen every now and then.

Even lowly Ralph Wilson Stadium has suites in the end zones.

http://www.classicbuffalo.com/images/TheRalphField.jpg

I think he meant the ones at field level

I think he meant the ones at field level

Oh. Yeah, that is kinda odd. What is the point of these field level suites anyway? The first few rows are the worst seats in any NFL stadium.

I like the layout at Ralph Wilson, you call it lowly if you like, being from the mid 70s and all. But with the first two tiers extending around and the upper level keeping to the sidelines I think is a pretty ideal shape (the curvature of the stands also makes for excellent sight lines) for an NFL bowl. Also entering on the mid level keeps everyone a short walk from their seats, (and completely nonelated to infrastructure the tailgating scene was great, and probably still is). Also the ticket prices are shockingly reasonable, even considering the team hasn't been very good for a while.

As for the field level suites, thats what happens when you let the marketing department design the stadium, not the architects. that way they can advertise having "the closest suites in North America" or whatever useless crap they feel like.

The field level suites have box seats above and open in the back to a field level club. The Endzone suite club level seats will be the first rows of each endzone also backing up to a field level club. Basically it will look no different from any other stadium except for plexiglass along the walls instead of brick or concrete. No different than the suites behind home plate at Dodger Stadium or the new stadium in Kuwait. As stated before, suites are for corporate entertaining for the most part. That goes for any city in the NFL. Lots of deals made in them and lots of them given use as perks in these deals. Every stadium in the NFL has them. Some cities are more into suites as they are more business cities than others. Notice how all of the Dallas sports venues have a ton of suites compared to most?

Curious as to why you seem to hate this place? I'm pretty sure the Cowboys understand their clientele and built the stadium to suite that. They've sold out every game since 1989 good or bad. They really don't need gimmicks.

My problem with it is my problem with professional sports these days, this is the Staples Center of the NFL, and the NFL in general is heading down the same road as the NBA, putting corporate clients first, charging every one else out the ass for tickets, concessions and parking. They are really in danger of pricing out there real fan base. You guys are paying what $60 for the back of the upper deck (in Minnesota those are $25-45, which seems high for 58-66 rows from the field), up through about $135 for the best GA seats at Texas Stadium. I could realistically go to about two cowboys games a year as is. I don't see ticket prices going anywhere but up at the new one, and those seats are a good 20 rows further back than at Texas Stadium. This looks like a place to go to be seen, not to enjoy a football game. Don't get me wrong I love the exterior and the concourses, but the bowl wasn't made for watching football, it was made for entertaining clients. I am a die hard vikings fan, but I will tell you that Lambeau Field in Green Bay exemplifies what is right and good about Pro Football, while this beautifully packages everything that is wrong with the NFL. Call me old school, but I would rather pay $50 for bleachers (sitting in the middle of the enemy, but they are real fans with out a doubt) with a solid view of the field on that frozen holy ground, than $60-70 for comfy seat in climate controlled palace so far from the field I will need binoculars.
In my experience
Best Football Experience:
Lambeau Field-amazingly passionate fans, good sightlines and great proximity, plus even a Vikings or Bears fan can appreciate the history (and talking shit on their turf for a change of pace), and the tailgating scene is unreal.
Worst Experience:
Fedex Field -its a wine and cheese party out there, not a football game, and the upper deck is a mile off the field, its just absurd. Tailgating is surf & turf, not brats & burgers and a few cold ones.
Jerryworld has all the downsides of Fedex, admittedly with alot more upside in aesthetics, but I worry you guys may have a wine and cheese party instead of a football game come 2009.

who cares? The NFL went corporate a long time ago. That's why Lambeau threw up a large amount of suites. Texas Stadium was always corporate and expensive. JerryWorld is nothing new to us and we expected no different. This is Texas. If we want real spirit there's plenty of non NFL football to go around. If you want to see the Cowboys, you pay the price and people do, and they don't settle for no brats and burgers. How about some real Texas BBQ with some real slaw on the side or some potato salad. Brats and burgers are decent tailgating at best. Need to come down south for some real tailgating.

Lambeau, Lambeau, what do I see? Suites, suites, suites, a ring of club seating an box seating. Sounds like the rest of the NFL.

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When I tailgate I like to do back ribs that cook for 3 hours with a good dry rub and a homemade sauce (with some real kick, sort of Texas style actually, sometimes a super hot Moroccan style glaze, or with a Caribbean jerk glaze) and some cold summit pale ale, or Leinies, but brats and burgers as well. And no one can say there is anything wrong with bierbrats, that is the classic tailgating item up here. Personally I am not a fan of slaw and really hate potato salad, but to each his own. Just when people are "tailgating" in a business suites, or shirt & tie, cooking up steaks with wine, thats not what tailgating is about, and hope you can agree with me on that.

Anyway I am worried the NFL will go the way of boxing and where the NBA is heading, with ever rising salaries, egos, and prices. The NFL officially went corporate sometime in the early 80s, but it just keeps getting more and more focused on money, and corporate sponsorship. Payrolls and egos keep growing, I can afford to go to fewer games and am starting to lose a little interest. Oh and I believe Lambeau has fewer suites post renovation, but they did add a few thousand club seats. And the suites and club seats are located at the back edge of the bowl, keeping your average fans closer to the field. And guess what, they still make a killing off of the suites and club seats. The new cowboys stadium is going to have about the worst proximity in the league. Lambeau is a legit experience in the same way Ohio stadium or DKR is an experience (not quite the atmosphere, but certainly in the same league), something that I would like to see more of (as well as the fan ownership model), but thats just me.

Very true about college and and high school football, if I lived down there I would be going to Austin, College station or Lubbock (the air attack that Leach has down there has got to be a good time live) whenever possible. Most states aren't anywhere near as big into High School ball, I can't think of 20,000 showing up for a regular season game anywhere else.

Lambeau, I see 71,500 seats fitting that field like a glove. I see 71,500 seats looking like maybe 62,000. I see suite and club seats that don't interrupt the bowl. I see a view from the back rows with the best proximity in the NFL, and I see one hell of a panoramic shot.

I see a flat bowl with the seats further away than modern bowls.

All the seats are bench seats, which take up less space, the lower level of the bowl at the new cowboys is more shallow. If you cantilever upper levels you get a closer design, if you split up the bowl just to add in suites all that happens is the upper levels are higher without being closer laterally, making them further from the pitch and hurts leg room. This also tends to cause very shallow lower tiers, where sightlines can become an issue. For 71,000 seats it has the CLOSEST bowl in the NFL. If there were a two or three tier design with substantial cantilevering it would be closer. Paul Brown (definitely one of my favorites) has some overlapping, but the balance is to the sidelines, giving better sightlines if worse proximity (but not bad by any means). Arrowhead has a close bowl for 80,000 and is in the same range per capacity. At Lambeau sightlines aren't bad (I'm 6'4" so someone being in my line of view isn't a big deal, but for the person for a shorter person I suppose it could be, leg room sucks, thats the only real drawback). Change the green to purple, drop it in Minneapolis and I couldn't be happier.

At any rate you did ask why I (and others) seem to hate, I think I laid out my reasoning. I wouldn't say I hate it to the extent I hate the Allianz Arena (Soooooo boring), or how so many new stadiums look so similar (especially many of the new ones in Europe, three tiers, I can't believe its not elliptical ect), or anywhere near how much I hate the Walker Art Center. Hate is a little to strong for the overall package. I HATE how its focused 100% on premium seating, and I hate the proximity Issues, other than that I don't have much of a problem with it. Its attractive and unique on the outside, the concourses are huge and functional, Jerry is paying a good chunk of the bill I hear, I just hate the bowl thats all. Suites, Lower Level (club seats on the sidelines), Suites, Second Level (club seats on the sidelines), Third level Club seats on the sidelines), Suites, Suites, Suites, Upper level. Can you see why some people might not like that? Lambeau has multiple levels of suite that don't hurt the veiws or atmosphere, same thing with the Palace at Auburn Hill, here they clearly do. I'm not from Dallas, probably won't set foot in there more than once, so I am not really concerned unless it gets copied elsewhere (god forbid up here). I just hope there aren't to many people in Dallas who feel the same way I do about it.

I can't see why someone complains about something that's a treat and generally expensive in markets with lots of wealthy people. The sport is not our priviledge. Its my favorite sport, but there's no constitution giving me the right to tell an owner they can't make money. Every market is different and each stadium is going to reflect that. The owners know what's going on and don't owe us anything, unlike colleges.

I think some people are trying to say is that with club seats and such, the atmosphere is what is negatively affected. As for me, I go to games for the atmosphere, not so I can really focus on the game. The couch is better than any stadium seat. I don't care to pay loads of money for an "alright" atmosphere. It would be a better deal to stay home, save money, and watch the game.

Anyone that's been to a Cowboys game knows that Texas Stadium aint "The Swamp". You could build Lambeau Field, Soldier Field or Invesco Field and it won't make a difference. The Cowboys have been a corporate entertainment entity and have done it better than any team since 1971. That's their game. People around here know it. No one expecting anything other than a palace, just like the AAC and just like Ranger's Ballpark.

Did they borrow the green paint from Wimbledon for Lambeau field?

That's the color of the Packers' jerseys

Construction update

http://www.dallascowboys.com/multimedia_center.cfm?id=6A62E2BC-B6A5-9B52-2B834E2E8DAC8F0A

Arch construction has started

http://cbs11tv.com/video/?id=19493@ktvt.dayport.com

is there any picture or update of the stadium??

This new stadium has similar features to the old Texas Stadium, y'all should call it "Texas Stadium II".

Is there a seating chart available?

Where did the name Jerryworld come from?

named after Cowboys owner Jerry Jones
its just a nickname

Ahhh okay, i was going to say, what a stupid name. lol

Locals started calling it JerryWorld because Jerry Jones initially had these huge plans for all kinds of museums, residential, office space, hotels and shops all around it when Irving and Dallas were bidding for the site. It was to be like a Cowboys theme park. Now the plans are much scaled back once Arlington won the stadium.

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I hate how there is so little up close or inside coverage of the stadium. Places like Wembley, Allianz and even University of Phoenix Stadium had so many high res construction pics and videos inside and out. We all know this stadium is big, but it always looks so far away and its hard to follow what's going on.

Damn, it's coming along quickly.

LOS in Indy is fenced off as well but due to its DT location, one can get very close to the stadium.

cant wait til it opens and on Monday night football....to bad the team sucks...but hey...nice stadium

cant wait til it opens and on Monday night football....to bad the team sucks...but hey...nice stadium

Don't hate.:)

how mans suits/boxes will it have?

200 suites, 15,000 club seats

wow, i thought it be more like +250 :D

I think we can already add this one in the list?!

Yeah it looks like there are a ton, but the suites are bigger than most, and it has a large press box on one sideline. I would guess there are restaurants overlooking the field as well.

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Wow....it is really shapin' up well!

Go Cowboys!!!

Damn....i miss my university!

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Damn the construction is going quickly!! I count 13 cranes in that last picture!

Wow. It's not even half-built and it looks amazing. Great pictures.

Keep 'em coming!

Will they sell Cheeseburgers in this stadium?

Will they sell Cheeseburgers in this stadium?

I'm pretty sure Tacos and Burittos will be in the Menu. I demand an IN AND OUT BURGER inside!!! :)

At an NFL game, the $9 menu is what you're gonna find.

I was riding the TRE yesterday and I could see one of the arches from a distance. It looked to be about halfway finished. I know that its taller than the stands and the longest part of the stadium, but wow is it tall and long. I've seen the stands up close and they are massive and tall, but from a distance you could see how big the arch is in comparison. Its almost like the stands aren't there. Even though this isn't the tallest thing in Arlington, the sheer mass will dominate Arlington's skyline.

Wow, this is coming along quickly!

FOOTBALL IN A WEEK TEXAS

:hilarious

awesome project. good for arlington.

Drove by this today; the pictures dont do it justice. This thing is MASSIVE.

What pictures?

I wish that our friends in the Arlington, Texas area would keep us up to date with quality pics from the site.

What pictures?

I wish that our friends in the Arlington, Texas area would keep us up to date with quality pics from the site.

This thread is full of pictures, did you bother to look?

I think people are pretty excited to see up to date pics, and its been a little while, I'm sure there have been noticable changes since the last image post.

Arlington, Texas is one of the least urban, least skyscrapery(is that even a word), places in the DFW metroplex, so you have too many posters from here, but pictures can be found from time to time. I went to take pics last Friday, but there was really nothing to take. Looks similar to the pic above except the first arch is about halfway done and sort of resembles and intamin roller coaster.

This thread is full of pictures, did you bother to look?

Yes I did eMKay, but the last pic posted was about a month and a half ago. A lot of construction can happen in a month.

By the way, all the pics in here that concerns the NEW Texas Stadium, go into my screen saver.

Yeah if anyone has some updated shots, please share!

first arch is halfway and now has two cross bracings going to it as well as roof tracks on top

wow, the project is progressing at Speeds comparable to Dubai.......
As a UT Arlington alumni, I only hope this makes Arlington lively.....
For a city with almost 400,000 people, it is currently the sleepiest city on earth!!!!

I saw it from the freeway today. Looks like they threw the other end of the arch up, and it is now close to having a complete first arch. Wow, I think its only been a week and a half since I've been close to the stadium.

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Thanks rant...great update...the thing is massive!

boy is there 24hr work happening here?...going at an alarmin rate...but hey why wait?

They completed the first arch. Pictures here: http://www.dallascowboys.com/photo_gallery.cfm?id=ABB30EBB-B6F9-C9CA-6EB1C9709D0DBF68

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You Texans don't mess around, it's really coming along.

Photos taken Saturday, October 20, 2007

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I still dont see how this stadium will be able to hold 100,000.

In person one can easily see. It is easily one of the tallest stands I've seen and two of the tier's are below ground. As a complete bowl, it would easily hold 100,000 people. In 100,000 seat mode, that's pretty much how it will be.

I still dont see how this stadium will be able to hold 100,000.

Maybe for concerts or other events with the field in use by ticket holders. Otherwise I agree not a 100,000 seater!

Maybe for concerts or other events with the field in use by ticket holders. Otherwise I agree not a 100,000 seater!

It will seat 100,000 for the super bowl. They add stands to the end zone areas.

What are they going to do with Texas Stadium?

Maybe for concerts or other events with the field in use by ticket holders. Otherwise I agree not a 100,000 seater!

In its normal form, it will hold 80,000. That's with 4 large tiers with no seats in them. During the Super Bowl or Cotton Bowl, they will add seats to those empty tiers, Meaning they only need 5,000 seats in each tier. This is already official. Keep in mind, this stadium has 5 tiers, where most have 2 or 3. 5 on each sideline. 5 on the endzone areas, but with permanent seats in 3 of those tiers. This is without including the luxury suites and their personal boxes inside. This is the largest building EVER for an NFL stadium.

question:...in one of the pics on the previous pages it says home of superbowl XLV or is it XLVI..not sure cause according to
[url]http://football.about.com/cs/superbowl/a/sbfuturesites.htm[url] Miami has it again in 2010...so when is it going to Dallas?

question:...in one of the pics on the previous pages it says home of superbowl XLV or is it XLVI..not sure cause according to
[url]http://football.about.com/cs/superbowl/a/sbfuturesites.htm[url] Miami has it again in 2010...so when is it going to Dallas?

2011

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Cowboys_Stadium

so hows progress on the stadium goin? Beat they are already trying to enclose both sides. So help plz!!

how bout some new pics...its been a week!! ! ! !!

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Great Great Photos there!!!

Looks great, too bad the stadium is sliced in two halves. Would've looked much more impressive if it were an entire bowl.

It will be when it is complete joop.

Looks good pity they copied off wembley stadium

Marrio, it won't look anything like Wembley:

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It will be when it is complete joop.

Not really, what's that giant panorama window doing there? Those two floating tiers look scary!

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Not really, what's that giant panorama window doing there? Those two floating tiers look scary!


Those tiers are not floating, they are attached on both sides. And they will add seats to them for special events like the Super Bowl.

The reason for them to be open like that is to give the stadium a feeling of being a more open air stadium and allow the wind to pass through closer to field level.

this stadium is gonna be..dare is say bitchin! !

Wouldn't it be cool if the roof was made of glass, and that glass was like transition lenses that would get dark during the daylight to keep the fans in the shade, and then clear at night so you could see the stars and moon during a night game.

And you just know the tickets are going to be wild to get for the first game of the year.

no duh they are !!

Considering the prices, tickets may be easy to find for those who can afford them

when i first saw the pic, i also saw some wembley resemblance. there is some, with the scaffolding-type beams but this stadium looks awesome. a great imposing domed roof and the shape of the structure makes it much more attractive than wembley

when i first saw the pic, i also saw some wembley resemblance. there is some, with the scaffolding-type beams but this stadium looks awesome. a great imposing domed roof and the shape of the structure makes it much more attractive than wembley

The scaffold beams are an element of the current stadium(1971) that are being used to link the feel of Texas Stadium to this new venue.

http://www.newmexicoet.com/NMET_Texas_Stadium_03.jpg

amazing how it still looks , so futuristic from a stadium built in 1971 .

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http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/122007dnmetstadiumglass.312cd6dd.html

New Cowboys stadium's glass curtain walls installed

06:12 PM CST on Wednesday, December 19, 2007

By JEFF MOSIER / The Dallas Morning News
jmosier@dallasnews.com

Another signature piece of the new Dallas Cowboys stadium went up this week – the first of 5,071. Construction workers have started installing the glass curtain walls on the exterior of the $1.1 billion project in Arlington.

The thousands of individual pieces feature a pair of 1/4-inch thick panes of glass in an aluminum frame or mullion. The glass is coated with a mixture of minute glass particles and pigment, which will give the stadium its unusual look. In the daylight, the color of the glass will blend from white at the bottom to a dark blue hue at the top, reflecting the Cowboys colors.

The color scheme would be reversed at night when the light is coming from inside the stadium. The individual panes will be either 8 feet by 3.3 feet or 8.3 feet by 5.3 feet. The walls of glass on the sides of the stadium will slope outward at a 14-degree angle. The stadium is scheduled to open in 2009.

it is massive!!!

this stadium is going to be cool, but ive looked at the renderings so much im losing interest in it lol.. i wonder what they'll do with texas stadium?

oh yeah thx for those pics, ive been looking for some recent ones.

i wonder what they'll do with texas stadium?

move it to Europe?

move it to Europe?


why yes, what a brilliant idea. :baeh3:

move it to Europe?
I'd take it. :cheers:

I'm sure they can find some use for Texas Stadium, it seems like a terrible waste to tear it down, but that'll probably happen. Plus, if needed Dallas has 2 other rectangular stadiums over 30,000 (Ford Stadium and the Cotton Bowl).

Geez...Dallas-Fort Worth should be bidding for the Olympics.

The development that's supposed to take Texas Stadium's place is actually very nice and will probably benefit Irving much more than Texas Stadium.

I just saw it, it is nice. I like how they're keeping the roof, it's a good symbol, people all around the country associate it with Irving.

People in the metroplex have a bit of an esteem problem when it comes to the Olympics. Though I think it is more than capable of hosting the games, you'll likely never see another serious bid.

cant wait for the Red River Rivalry to come here next year...hope it can break the 80k or 90k mark!!!!:banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:

I hope they it will have an capacity of 100.000.
Only 100.000 fur superowls and 80.000 for NFL is sh.. :D

cant wait for the Red River Rivalry to come here next year...hope it can break the 80k or 90k mark!!!!:banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:

I'm sure they'll sell it out.

If we win the 2018 World Cup this should be the venue of the final.