Oooooooooooooooooo

So just because FIFA has said that its not allowed (which is obvious from the beginning) that its the end of the world for the Qatar bid !!? :hahaha: seriously, this is such a childish game we are playing.

Hell must have broke loose when FIFA inspector also stated that Qatar currently has logistical problems (duh, the games are 12 years away...)

I will say what i want and I dont really care, really, you shouldnt be botherd anyways :)

WE HAVE DEALS WITH MANY COUNTRIES, AND THE LIST IS INCREASING WEATHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT

The issue is not just related to a couple of FIFA Executive committee members anymore, but rather governments, major companies and important world figures in sport and politics.

We could say that we might have grabbed the German vote as well ;)

What proof does FIFA have of Qatar bribing the members ? nothing. If they have proof they could clearly be seen as "gifts" the rest is really details.

Answer me this, has Australia or USA done what they have to do to grab enough votes for this World Cup ? it seems from what i see that Qatar is the only one that "really" wants this.

Your the only one of the 'qatari's' (not all but the qataris that post in your bid thread) worth listening to/reading.


Australia and USA have easily done enough to show they want it - much more than Qatar so I ask you, what has Qatar really done to really show that they really want the WC. It seems that most of the people currently in Qatar could honestly not give a damn about it because they won't be in the country by 2022.

Oooooooooooooooooo

So just because FIFA has said that its not allowed (which is obvious from the beginning) that its the end of the world for the Qatar bid !!? :hahaha: seriously, this is such a childish game we are playing.

Hell must have broke loose when FIFA inspector also stated that Qatar currently has logistical problems (duh, the games are 12 years away...)

I will say what i want and I dont really care, really, you shouldnt be botherd anyways :)

WE HAVE DEALS WITH MANY COUNTRIES, AND THE LIST IS INCREASING WEATHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT

The issue is not just related to a couple of FIFA Executive committee members anymore, but rather governments, major companies and important world figures in sport and politics.

We could say that we might have grabbed the German vote as well ;)

What proof does FIFA have of Qatar bribing the members ? nothing. If they have proof they could clearly be seen as "gifts" the rest is really details.

Answer me this, has Australia or USA done what they have to do to grab enough votes for this World Cup ? it seems from what i see that Qatar is the only one that "really" wants this.

Australia has opted to move its most popular sports code to comply with the FIFA guide lines. What did Qatar do they opted out for an Earlier game. Reason A.

Australia has a population much larger than Qatar, infact around 5 of our cities, have more or around about the same population as Qatar. Reason B

I could go on but, it's not worth wasting away energy on mindless idiots like you.

Your the only one of the 'qatari's' (not all but the qataris that post in your bid thread) worth listening to/reading.


Australia and USA have easily done enough to show they want it - much more than Qatar so I ask you, what has Qatar really done to really show that they really want the WC. It seems that most of the people currently in Qatar could honestly not give a damn about it because they won't be in the country by 2022.

I keep getting that, not sure why.. is it because I try to cope with your attitude by replying in a similar manner ? :? Interesting.

I still want to see you saying what Australia and USA has done to get 2022. why do I have to answer with a lot of info and you dont by simply saying "we did it already, what about you".

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Well I didn't really mention "show" that it wants to host, but rather the actions being taken.

BUT, that fact that the country spent 1.5 Million Euros on a showcase model for the second generation cooling, so that if we were to host the world cup, the actual game will in no way be affected by the heat (+ comfort for spectators). Doing it in an environmentally friendly way (carbon neutral).

Blatter visiting Qatar and stating that the Middle East should host the world cup and Qatar has a very good chance to be the first. not to mention that he witnessed a cup final and visited the first outdoor air conditioned stadium in the world.

Being the only country in Asia to host the AFC Asian Cup for the 2nd time (Qatar 2011 Asian Cup) + The most successful Asian Games ever (Doha 2006).

Brazilian & South African Support (Hosts of 2010 & 2014 FIFA WC) +
many countries support for the bid such as: Venezuela, El Salvador, Arab Countries etc.

Hosting world class international friendlies (Brazil vs England + Brazil vs Argentina)

Providing a full scale bid with full 12 stadiums all of them with FIFA requirements (In terms of number of stadiums and capacities)

Providing 170,000 seats to be donated to developing countries thus post world cup, their will be 22 stadiums built around the world. Thus having a great legacy of 11 stadiums with appropriate capacities.

,,,,,.. Just a little from the top of my head...

Australia has opted to move its most popular sports code to comply with the FIFA guide lines. What did Qatar do they opted out for an Earlier game. Reason A.

Australia has a population much larger than Qatar, infact around 5 of our cities, have more or around about the same population as Qatar. Reason B

I could go on but, it's not worth wasting away energy on mindless idiots like you.
See, even you cant give a serious response. thats not related to what Australia has done to show how much it wants the WC. higher population ? seriously ? I wasn't aware of a "Increase population for the sake of 2022 Bid" drive/program.....

On the other hand Qatar didn't need to move any sport since THE main sport IS FOOTBALL. Apparently unlike Australia or USA.

oh and, Ehem...


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Australia.

Hosted 2 Olympics. 2000 Sydney - said to be the greatest ever.
Has actually made it to the WC.
Unlike Qatar, we don't face logistical challenges like weather, and infrastructure.
We have a population that can be relied on to fill stadiums.
Countless sporting events that pit Qatars list to shame.
Supported by the likes of Indonesia one of the worlds largest countries
Is organising events even before the winner is annouced - Breakfast on the Bridge
Falls into one of the best timezones for the worlds largest football watching region.
Backed by, Everton Manager, Nicole Kidman, Qantas, PwC. Countless other people.
Through the 1GOAL program we are helping defeat aids in Africa and spread the game.

That's just off the top of my head.

See, even you cant give a serious response. thats not related to what Australia has done to show how much it wants the WC. higher population ? seriously ? I wasn't aware of a "Increase population for the sake of 2022 Bid" drive/program.....

On the other hand Qatar didn't need to move any sport since THE main sport IS FOOTBALL. Apparently unlike Australia or USA.

oh and, Ehem...

Just proved how diversified we are, compared to our fellow competitors. ;)

The Blatter and Bin Hammam Agreement


Bin Hammam backs off from FIFA Elections
Qatar Hosting 2022 FIFA WC
Bin Hammam AFC President for another term.
Bin Hammam supports Blatter for FIFA Presidency.


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Qatar's bid is CENTRAL, its in the middle of the world, UNLIKE AUSTRALIA, it would be able to satisfy Europe, Africa & Asia with Prime time and semi-prime time matches. (3.5 Billion in Prime time).

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ahahaha! Yeah, and I'm KIng Kong. :lol:

I am really excited about attending the World Cup in 2022. If it was in Australia or the US, I would be there in a heartbeat. But as an objective observer, I have to say that if it was awarded to Qatar, I wouldn't even consider going. It's just not appealing to me whatsoever. And I just have this feeling that most fans throughout the world agree with me. To shell out thousands of dollars and deal with the hassle of travel, you have to give the fans a pretty convincing reason to do so.

The stereotypes are that it is a barren desert, bloody hot, extremely conservative, and alcohol unfriendly. Whether these are true or not, people often make decisions based on perception, not reality. And the general perception of the Middle East worldwide is not very positive. No offense intended, but because of this, I believe it would be one of the most poorly attended World Cups ever.

I am really excited about attending the World Cup in 2022. If it was in Australia or the US, I would be there in a heartbeat. But as an objective observer, I have to say that if it was awarded to Qatar, I wouldn't even consider going. It's just not appealing to me whatsoever. And I just have this feeling that most fans throughout the world agree with me. To shell out thousands of dollars and deal with the hassle of travel, you have to give the fans a pretty convincing reason to do so.

The stereotypes are that it is a barren desert, bloody hot, extremely conservative, and alcohol unfriendly. Whether these are true or not, people often make decisions based on perception, not reality. And the general perception of the Middle East worldwide is not very positive. No offense intended, but because of this, I believe it would be one of the most poorly attended World Cups ever.

Yup.

Would you rather travel to:

New York City, Washington DC, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Miami.

OR

Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Perth, Adelaide.

OR

Doha, Doha, Doha, Doha, oh and Doha.

Good blog article on the 2022 competition from the BBC. Dismisses Japan, Korea and Qatar, and tends to favour Australia over the US. A good summary overall.

Link (http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/mattslater/2010/09/why_its_advance_australia_fair.html)

Makes a lot of good points. I think it doesn't mention enough the money generated by a US World Cup, but I think we all know about that. With regards to legacy, I'm curious what the difference in money spent on legacy related things and its impact between the different bidding countries. You would think the US would be able to make so much more that they would be able to create a greater legacy, but how much more, I don't know and the Australians still have a very good bid. While I'd love the US to win 2022, I'll make the trip to Australia if they get it. I've been there before and it's a fantastic country.

I keep getting that, not sure why.. is it because I try to cope with your attitude by replying in a similar manner ? :? Interesting.

I still want to see you saying what Australia and USA has done to get 2022. why do I have to answer with a lot of info and you dont by simply saying "we did it already, what about you".

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Well I didn't really mention "show" that it wants to host, but rather the actions being taken.

BUT, that fact that the country spent 1.5 Million Euros on a showcase model for the second generation cooling, so that if we were to host the world cup, the actual game will in no way be affected by the heat (+ comfort for spectators). Doing it in an environmentally friendly way (carbon neutral).

Blatter visiting Qatar and stating that the Middle East should host the world cup and Qatar has a very good chance to be the first. not to mention that he witnessed a cup final and visited the first outdoor air conditioned stadium in the world.

Being the only country in Asia to host the AFC Asian Cup for the 2nd time (Qatar 2011 Asian Cup) + The most successful Asian Games ever (Doha 2006).

Brazilian & South African Support (Hosts of 2010 & 2014 FIFA WC) +
many countries support for the bid such as: Venezuela, El Salvador, Arab Countries etc.

Hosting world class international friendlies (Brazil vs England + Brazil vs Argentina)

Providing a full scale bid with full 12 stadiums all of them with FIFA requirements (In terms of number of stadiums and capacities)

Providing 170,000 seats to be donated to developing countries thus post world cup, their will be 22 stadiums built around the world. Thus having a great legacy of 11 stadiums with appropriate capacities.

,,,,,.. Just a little from the top of my head...
Those points alone should get Qatar over the line....

The Blatter and Bin Hammam Agreement


Bin Hammam backs off from FIFA Elections
Qatar Hosting 2022 FIFA WC
Bin Hammam AFC President for another term.
Bin Hammam supports Blatter for FIFA Presidency.


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Qatar's bid is CENTRAL, its in the middle of the world, UNLIKE AUSTRALIA, it would be able to satisfy Europe, Africa & Asia with Prime time and semi-prime time matches. (3.5 Billion in Prime time).

None of which matters since the bid is impossible.

No hosting so many venues in 1 city, not today, not in 2022, with or without Blatter.

Well, well, well...as a englishmen i don't really care about us winning the world cup, sure it would be nice but i can't imagine me living here by then. We are the home of football, have infrastructure, the passionate fans and if built new stadiums they would be used afterwards. We also feature the most football league's in the world. Honestly London could quite easily hold the WC on it's own! But that's not going to happen...

Spain and Portugal - would also like to see this nice weather, nice culture and have a big football passion just keep out the flares! Spain and Portugal should still be big teams and players like Canales will be coming to 28 or so i think. Would have the Nou Camp as the final though.

Holland and Belgium - hardly un-talked about. Would be great to see these guys hold it, two countries who don't do anything wrong and keep to themselves. Good stadia some work though.

Russia - They show a lot of money and determination but it's going to have sort out it's perception. Many westerners just don't want to go to Russia, me included! Sort that out and you'll make your bet stronger.

As for our fellow companions of english speaking nations. I would thorougly enjoy them both holding the world cup! Australia has the weather, cities, culture, sporting life style and the unique wildlife can only add to that! Still need better stadia but they're who i really want. America ah, you guys a long with Australians get so much slack for your lack of football culture. But these events will only make the sport stronger over there. I would love for it to be in America, just so i could go and visit LA again and watch England or Spain play. Of course if some matches we're played in LA i wonder how many celebs would turn up to support the US? :P But you have stadiums, advertisement and the infrastructure quite easily, adding public transport would be a nice additions as well.

But really i don't mind who wins, as long as they showcase great stadiums, football passion and grow the sport you have my support.

I demand the Australian trolls to be banned.

I demand the Australian trolls to be banned.

Come on mate,can you just accept the fact that its universal that no one wants the WC in Qatar and that is reflected in these threads.Anyone I know that has been to a WC has already stated they would not attend.Not only that, the bid doesn't comply with the national hosting agreement or the host city agreement
Imagine a USA v England match in Qatar:ohno:.Well actually that could include USA,England,Australia,Spain,South Korea,Japan,Portugal-7 of the other bidders who have fought in Iraq and Afghanistan or others such as Germany ,France,Italy,Canada,Poland,Romania,Turkey,Denmark, Bulgaria,Sweden,Czech Republic,Norway,Hungary,Slovakia, Albania,Croatia,Lithuania,Macedonia,New Zealand,Latvia, Estonia,Azerbaijan,Finland,Greece,Slovenia,Armenia,Malaysia,Montenegro,Singapore,Ukraine,Bosnia,Luxembourg,Ireland, Jordan,Austria,Iceland.

Thats 25 of the top 50 FIFA ranked nations(including Israel) that Doha's neighbours (Iran or Saudi Arabia) would not be happy with making it an impossible task for a secure WC

Come on mate,can you just accept the fact that its universal that no one wants the WC in Qatar and that is reflected in these threads.Anyone I know that has been to a WC has already stated they would not attend.Not only that, the bid doesn't comply with the national hosting agreement or the host city agreement
Imagine a USA v England match in Qatar:ohno:.Well actually that could include USA,England,Australia,Spain,South Korea,Japan,Portugal-7 of the other bidders who have fought in Iraq and Afghanistan or others such as Germany ,France,Italy,Canada,Poland,Romania,Turkey,Denmark, Bulgaria,Sweden,Czech Republic,Norway,Hungary,Slovakia, Albania,Croatia,Lithuania,Macedonia,New Zealand,Latvia, Estonia,Azerbaijan,Finland,Greece,Slovenia,Armenia,Malaysia,Montenegro,Singapore,Ukraine,Bosnia,Luxembourg,Ireland, Jordan,Austria,Iceland.

Thats 25 of the top 50 FIFA ranked nations(including Israel) that Doha's neighbours (Iran or Saudi Arabia) would not be happy with making it an impossible task for a secure WC

This post makes 0 sense.... I mean really, SO WHAT ? whats wrong with the countries you have listed ? Clearly you dont know anything about Qatar or its 2022 bid.

Qatar is Iran BEST ally in the region and Saudi Arabia so far is the most supporting of Qatar's neighbors. so what are you on about.

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Brazil vs England last year, I dont recall any death threats or mass riots, this isnt the Israeli-Palestinian borders or Iraq.... for such a great level match to have a great attendance and no problems whatsoever is really good, there will most probably be no problems in attendance in 2022.

.... for such a great level match to have a great attendance and no problems whatsoever is really good, there will most probably be no problems in attendance in 2022.

Well, like I said, if it's hosted in Australia or the USA, FIFA will have a guaranteed attendee (myself). If it's in Qatar, FIFA will have a guaranteed non-attendee.

So if there's more like myself, then yes, I think there will be attendance problems.

I demand the Australian trolls to be banned.

It's not like you've not been trolling... i've read the last 50 pages and you do indeed troll! So quiet down and stop being so hypocritical.

I admire Qatar's determination, but to be honest Qatar has hardly any relevance on football in the world scale. Now America or Australia don't exactly too but at least they have good national teams and have created some great players and America seems to be creating some great talent. But if football relevance to world is a thing for Fifa, England, Spain/ Portugal and Holland/Belgium are right up there.

Well, like I said, if it's hosted in Australia or the USA, FIFA will have a guaranteed attendee (myself). If it's in Qatar, FIFA will have a guaranteed non-attendee.

So if there's more like myself, then yes, I think there will be attendance problems.

I wouldn't be interested in visiting Qatar for a WC either. The World Cup is a big party, people partying on the streets, drinking etc Can you imagine that happening in Qatar? I think not.

Many westerners just don't want to go to Russia, me included! Sort that out and you'll make your bet stronger.
No, you don't want to go in that "Russia" from Holysh*twood movies and mass media. This is a different country :) .

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I don't want to go! I mean in Soviet Russie, tv watches you!

World Cup Bid Power Index: Russia Close on England; USA Top Qatar

http://www.worldfootballinsider.com/_img/articles/rkzalqua.zfy.jpg

http://www.worldfootballinsider.com/Story.aspx?id=33759

I have voted for

Australia 2018 - never hosted FIFA WC, they are having capital

Russia 2022 - never hosted FIFA WC, they are having capital too

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I don't want to go! I mean in Soviet Russie, tv watches you!
Russia is not Soviet, just by secret for you :pet: . Actually you can not go, having Cold War dinosours who still can't wake up from coma is not good :lol: .
And you mean CCTV and Big Brother in England, PATRIOT acts in USA, etc.?

http://www.fresh.by/wp-content/uploads/Heart-shaped-004a.jpg

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/8775/wfi.jpg

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I would give International PR a 8 and Gov't./Public Support a 7 for the USA. And how do they determine Wow Factor and USPS? It seems that 6 is too low for the USA.

I wouldn't be too concerned with World Football Insider and their assessment as it was found out about 5 months ago to be bankrolled by the Qatar bid team:ohno:

Well, like I said, if it's hosted in Australia or the USA, FIFA will have a guaranteed attendee (myself). If it's in Qatar, FIFA will have a guaranteed non-attendee.

So if there's more like myself, then yes, I think there will be attendance problems.

No, 2022 is 12 years away, we will have a newer generation to take "your" place. + we have the entire Arab world around us, they will come DUH. It doesn't necessarily have to be international attendance, in the end its your decision and your loss, stick to your TV screen.

It doesn't necessarily have to be international attendance

I'm sorry, but it does and a world cup without international attendence isn't a world cup!!

Tickets will be given over to the FAs of the teams which qualify and it will be up to them to sell them onto their fans. So fans' perceptions of a country are, or at least ought to be important when FIFA makes their final decision. If FIFA thinks they'll have trouble attracting people to a given country, they won't particularly like the argument that the world cup stadiums could "instead" be filled with locals; it doesn't work like that.

No, 2022 is 12 years away, we will have a newer generation to take "your" place. + we have the entire Arab world around us, they will come DUH. It doesn't necessarily have to be international attendance, in the end its your decision and your loss, stick to your TV screen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qe500eIK1oA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qe500eIK1oA

:banana: love that song :cheers:

Russia is not Soviet, just by secret for you :pet: . Actually you can not go, having Cold War dinosours who still can't wake up from coma is not good :lol: .
And you mean CCTV and Big Brother in England, PATRIOT acts in USA, etc.?

Mate, don't get too upset. He is merely making a pop culture reference which I wouldn't expect a Russian to of heard and it is no big loss. He really isn't making any serious fun at Russia.
Have a look at this guy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakov_Smirnoff

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Though I don't pay much attention to this table as it is so subjective, some of the groups don't even make clear if having a lower number is necessarily bad. Australia and 4 other nations are given a 5 for Cost/Funding resources. Couldn't that be interpreted that they have an economically sound funding arrangment and with most infrastructure built, it won't cost as much to stage. Since when was most expensive the best.

Reading what they wrote about Australia shows shodding journalism as the issues they have mentioned have been resolved long before this was published. They even have a go at Australia for "Having to wait for the bid book" to know what venues would most likely be use which is the same for most bids yet made no mention that Qatar only provided 5 renders to the public for months.

I could go on but after reading what they had to say over numerous issues, it's more informative reading people's thoughts and views on this site from various intelligent people who post here.

Mate, don't get too upset. He is merely making a pop culture reference which I wouldn't expect a Russian to of heard and it is no big loss. He really isn't making any serious fun at Russia.
Have a look at this guy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakov_Smirnoff


Though I don't pay much attention to this table as it is so subjective, some of the groups don't even make clear if having a lower number is necessarily bad. Australia and 4 other nations are given a 5 for Cost/Funding resources. Couldn't that be interpreted that they have an economically sound funding arrangment and with most infrastructure built, it won't cost as much to stage. Since when was most expensive the best.

Reading what they wrote about Australia shows shodding journalism as the issues they have mentioned have been resolved long before this was published. They even have a go at Australia for "Having to wait for the bid book" to know what venues would most likely be use which is the same for most bids yet made no mention that Qatar only provided 5 renders to the public for months.

I could go on but after reading what they had to say over numerous issues, it's more informative reading people's thoughts and views on this site from various intelligent people who post here.

Thats because the Qatar bid team funds the site/pays for them to say positive and false things about Qatar.

Yeah.Its strange because they state the obvious which is "Doha's bid is now unofficially dead" yet their score went up 2 points:lol::lol::lol:
Qatar - Quite how badly Qatar will suffer from Harold Mayne-Nicholls's summing up at the conclusion of the FIFA inspection tour remains to be seen. But his “logistical challenges” comment made headlines worldwide; he questioned whether a small nation could host the finals and failed to make reference to the revolutionary new cooling technologies that have been touted as a key aspects of the bid. The sense that the normally even-handed Chilean had been unfair was palpable at the Doha press conference, for underlying his message was a sentiment that no matter what the rich Gulf kingdom promised it wouldn't be good enough. It was a big blow for Qatar. But the bid continues to run an excellent campaign, with money no object. Its new stadium plans are stunning and it boasts strong international and domestic legacy plans. The bid believes it has provided a viable solution to the problems posed by heat but the difficulty lies in overcoming perceptions that the country is just too hot and too small for the World Cup. Qatar's campaign is building up a head of steam, and with AFC president Mohammed Bin Hammam throwing his weight behind it, not least when he has given up on his FIFA presidential ambitions for another four years, there's no discounting the Gulf state's chances.
Has he cut a deal to get European support for his bid? We can only wait and see.

That Bid Power Index is as ludicrous as the 2016 Olympic index.

I think it had Rio's transport score close to that of Madrid's....how do they expect people to take it seriously when its basically rubbish?

I also don't think they quite understand the word "legacy".

Nor security
How does Qatar score a 5 when its so open to insurgency,suicide bombers or airspace incursions via rocket launchers etc with neighbours like Iran and Saudi that hate the West severely and don't even recognise Israel.Very hostile part of the world at this point ,and who knows what the politics of this world will look like in 12 years:ohno:

Nor security
How does Qatar score a 5 when its so open to insurgency,suicide bombers or airspace incursions via rocket launchers etc with neighbours like Iran and Saudi that hate the West severely and don't even recognise Israel.Very hostile part of the world at this point ,and who knows what the politics of this world will look like in 12 years:ohno:

You are Islamophobic. The only people you need to worry about is the west and Israel doing air raids on civilians.

You are Islamophobic. The only people you need to worry about is the west and Israel doing air raids on civilians.
you ar mikee mousse u dont deserv ur own opinioion.

I'm loving the dribble that you keep posting

You are Islamophobic. The only people you need to worry about is the west and Israel doing air raids on civilians.

What a stupid thing to say. Keep going at the rate you're going.

Yes i get the blame because someone says random shyt like Qatar is a safe heaven for terrorist. And says Saudi Arabia is anti west when everyone knows they are like another American state.

I see there is an english alliance. People who support a Russian or Qatar bid are being pushed to the side while english rebels attack them, moderators included.. Why we can't defend ourselves is beyond me.

An Anglo-Saxon conspiracy?

An Anglo-Saxon conspiracy?
Of course. It's the only logical reason the Qatar bid receives criticism.

Lies, I do it for shits and giggles.

Lies, I do it for shits and giggles.

That too, and to see them make idiots of themselves.

It doesn't necessarily have to be international attendance.

Disqualification of the essence of a World Cup. I'm not surprised by this level of ignorance.

Disqualification of the essence of a World Cup. I'm not surprised by this level of ignorance.

That's not entirely true. A USA World Cup wouldn't need nearly as much foreign attendance as, say Australia or Qatar. It depends on the country. But yes, you're right, it is ignorant to think Qatar needs no foreign attendance.

It depends on the country. But yes, you're right, it is ignorant to think Qatar needs no foreign attendance.

It's just another naive indicator to stress the cosmetic aspect of an arrogant and unrealistic bid from a country where domestic league attendances by locals are non-existent.

Yes i get the blame because someone says random shyt like Qatar is a safe heaven for terrorist. And says Saudi Arabia is anti west when everyone knows they are like another American state.

I see there is an english alliance. People who support a Russian or Qatar bid are being pushed to the side while english rebels attack them, moderators included.. Why we can't defend ourselves is beyond me.

well obviously the Islamophobic argument takes a big dive when trying to use it on me.

Yes i get the blame because someone says random shyt like Qatar is a safe heaven for terrorist. And says Saudi Arabia is anti west when everyone knows they are like another American state.

I see there is an english alliance. People who support a Russian or Qatar bid are being pushed to the side while english rebels attack them, moderators included.. Why we can't defend ourselves is beyond me.

Everyone knows that the KSA is like any American state? No wonder how you have displayed the lack of maturity in order to get brigged as often as you do.

Qatar's hosting of major sporting events in June and July include























Also
1988 Asian Cup-2 December – 18 December
2011 Asian Cup-7 January – 29 January
2006 Asian Games-December 1–15
2016 Summer Olympic Bid-October 14 and October 30

Qatar's hosting of major sporting events in June and July include























Also
1988 Asian Cup-2 December – 18 December
2011 Asian Cup-7 January – 29 January
2006 Asian Games-December 1–15
2016 Summer Olympic Bid-October 14 and October 30

OMFG!!11!!1!

They have never hosted a MAJOR event - maybe never will.

To be fair they have done a good job of hosting those other events,its just that they would never dream of hosting in the height of summer,which unfortunately for them is FIFA World Cup time.The Asian Cup over the last decade had started to formalise around the June period only for Qatar to take it straight into January -making it hard for European based players to participate

well obviously the Islamophobic argument takes a big dive when trying to use it on me.

Yes I know your of Indonesian decent. I was only talking to the other dude and it was based on other comments he made as well. I have read that the Australians are become more and more fearful and worried about their rising northern neighbor. Maybe you should think twice before you chose who to support. :lol:. But lets get back on topic.

Everyone knows that the KSA is like any American state? No wonder how you have displayed the lack of maturity in order to get brigged as often as you do.

It's true. Saudi Arabia and America are like best friends. They are an alliance against Iran, building high tech nukes and spy stations. It's there oil state. :bash:

This is about the world cup bids though.

When did I say anything 'Islamophobic'? Seriously, your a tool - get out before you make an even bigger arse of yourself and Qatar's bid.

Where are these reports of Australia and Indonesia problems?

Where are these reports of Australia and Indonesia problems?

In his imagination. Seems like he's got a pretty good one of those too.

2 Months left!! :banana:. Fifa should just eliminate countries as we go on. South Korea, Japan, Belgium/Holland should just be eliminated now.

Answer my question (I assume you were referring to me in your previous post) - where did I say anything Islamophobic?

2 Months left!! :banana:. Fifa should just eliminate countries as we go on. South Korea, Japan, Belgium/Holland should just be eliminated now.
Answer my question (I assume you were referring to me in your previous post) - where did I say anything Islamophobic?

Uh I was clearly talking to "X", but it's all good now. People will say crazy things what they might not mean in the heat of the moment.

X is a good guy though, i see he went to South Africa during the world cup and did some good things. The guy wants the world cup in Australia and might say some crazy things untill his dream comes true.

But Australia 2022 will only be dream, it will never become reality.:D

Yes I know your of Indonesian decent. I was only talking to the other dude and it was based on other comments he made as well. I have read that the Australians are become more and more fearful and worried about their rising northern neighbor. Maybe you should think twice before you chose who to support. :lol:. But lets get back on topic.



It's true. Saudi Arabia and America are like best friends. They are an alliance against Iran, building high tech nukes and spy stations. It's there oil state. :bash:

This is about the world cup bids though.

Be very careful. You're 2 steps from being booted out of here.

Uh I was clearly talking to "X", but it's all good now. People will say crazy things what they might not mean in the heat of the moment.

X is a good guy though, i see he went to South Africa during the world cup and did some good things. The guy wants the world cup in Australia and might say some crazy things untill his dream comes true.

But Australia 2022 will only be dream, it will never become reality.:D

Thanks for the backhanded compliment:)

I'm far from Islamaphobic.I've been to both Turkey and Egypt-both amazing Muslim countries,both tourism hotspots that would do a great job of hosting a technically compliant FIFA World Cup.
Been particularly interested in the Turkish Superlig,where a number of Australians are playing especially Galla where a few NT players are.Also following the fortunes of the Turkish National team under Guus.I'm sure they'll do very well.And of course its only a matter of time before the Egyptians break though internationally,a great team to watch

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2 Months left!! :banana:. Fifa should just eliminate countries as we go on. South Korea, Japan, Belgium/Holland should just be eliminated now.

R u kidding? That would mean two major Zurich hotels empty for at least 3 days!!

I love this word Islamaphobic. I wonder what the exact word was when I was living in Qatar and I could have been arrested and put into prison for practicing/praying towards any other religion other than Islam mmm yeah FAIL!. I haven't seen any such words or phrases within this forum, it has all been in relation to the technical failures of Qatar and suddenly it becomes Islamaphobic. How is it that anyone can support a world cup bid for Egypt or Morocco( btw 2 nations who truly deserve to host a football world cup) and suddenly be an Islamaphobe? Just face it buddy. Qatar is a failure, Qatar is a failure technically, Qatar is a failure politically, Qatar is a failure in world football and quite frankly Qatar should remove it's bid ASAP because frankly Qatar is a Failure with the biggest capital F out of all the bids. There is no more to Fail. Just an official word of withdrawal/elimination from FIFA due to the totally absurd logistics/logic behind the bid. Qatar's world cup bid has been an absolute utter embarrassment to everyone concerned.

:lol:

I love this word Islamaphobic. I wonder what the exact word was when I was living in Qatar and I could have been arrested and put into prison for practicing/praying towards any other religion other than Islam mmm yeah FAIL!. I haven't seen any such words or phrases within this forum, it has all been in relation to the technical failures of Qatar and suddenly it becomes Islamaphobic. How is it that anyone can support a world cup bid for Egypt or Morocco( btw 2 nations who truly deserve to host a football world cup) and suddenly be an Islamaphobe? Just face it buddy. Qatar is a failure, Qatar is a failure technically, Qatar is a failure politically, Qatar is a failure in world football and quite frankly Qatar should remove it's bid ASAP because frankly Qatar is a Failure with the biggest capital F out of all the bids. There is no more to Fail. Just an official word of withdrawal/elimination from FIFA due to the totally absurd logistics/logic behind the bid. Qatar's world cup bid has been an absolute utter embarrassment to everyone concerned.

Masa al kheir from Egypt ya basha. Qatar's bid is apocryphal, obscene, antithetical, hostile, asinine, embarrassing, contemptuous and an insult.

Football character assassination. An apology and withdrawal would be in place.

You'll probably find me featuring on youtube in a decapitation video shortly, having advocated anti-islam sentiments.

I love this word Islamaphobic. I wonder what the exact word was when I was living in Qatar and I could have been arrested and put into prison for practicing/praying towards any other religion other than Islam mmm yeah FAIL!. I haven't seen any such words or phrases within this forum, it has all been in relation to the technical failures of Qatar and suddenly it becomes Islamaphobic. How is it that anyone can support a world cup bid for Egypt or Morocco( btw 2 nations who truly deserve to host a football world cup) and suddenly be an Islamaphobe? Just face it buddy. Qatar is a failure, Qatar is a failure technically, Qatar is a failure politically, Qatar is a failure in world football and quite frankly Qatar should remove it's bid ASAP because frankly Qatar is a Failure with the biggest capital F out of all the bids. There is no more to Fail. Just an official word of withdrawal/elimination from FIFA due to the totally absurd logistics/logic behind the bid. Qatar's world cup bid has been an absolute utter embarrassment to everyone concerned.

Shows how naive you are. We have the largest official (government backed) Church in the Gulf region + A Jewish synagogue under construction. So what exactly are you on about ?

This thread has reached new levels with clear objectives of creating a bad image of the Qatari bid, ignoring all pro's and bringing up irrelevant/false cons. Pure result of envy, jealousy, hatred & racism.


Masa al kheir from Egypt ya basha. Qatar's bid is apocryphal, obscene, antithetical, hostile, asinine, embarrassing, contemptuous and an insult.

Football character assassination. An apology and withdrawal would be in place.

You'll probably find me featuring on youtube in a decapitation video shortly, having advocated anti-islam sentiments.

Bala 5heir bala um 7mar, ay 5heir min warak ya mal3oon elwalden, la3alek ma terba7 6ool ma roo7ek tetnafas elhawa. Al7een hatha t8ool-lah Basha ?!! Labook labo abo abook, ya um elhelan int !! 7sabek insha2allah 3end allah sub7anah, w yarab yestajeeb da3wati 3leek lel w nahar. ya 6'alem ya 7a8eer ya munafi8. :shocked: Got that Oncebittentwiceshy ?

Apology and withdrawal ? you must be having dreams after you knew that Qatar is the most likely host of the 2022 edition of the World Cup. Thats whats wrong with you, fear, and your trying everything you can do so that this bid stops ASAP. good luck doing that, since posting a couple of posts here and there on SSC is not going to help you achieve your objective.

This thread has reached new levels with clear objectives of creating a bad image of the Qatari bid, ignoring all pro's and bringing up irrelevant/false cons. Pure result of envy, jealousy, hatred & racism.



Be very very careful. Accusations of racism will be taken as seriously as racist remarks.

I can assure that I am neither Islamophobic, envious , jealous or racist and if anybody continues using the "race card" because its convenient, rather than to address the real challenges with this wishful bid, I can't assure you that you will be around here for much longer.

The nature of the World Cup as an event, continues to elude the minds of any blind nationalists who would support Qatar regardless of the reality.

Qatar should be praised for trying but its very concept is the very thing that will or might see it eliminated from the race before the vote.

So the next time somebody questions 6-10 venues in one city, yes its one city, and they are replied to with a "race card", it will be taken as an accusation of racism and be dealth with accordingly.

Money can't buy anything. The sooner some realize that the fewer "race cards" we will see.

Be very very careful. Accusations of racism will be taken as seriously as racist remarks.

I Havent seen any actions taken, you keep repeating the same thing and people keep on going.


I can assure that I am neither Islamophobic, envious , jealous or racist

You didnt need to clarify that. although some members have serious issues.

and if anybody continues using the "race card" because its convenient, rather than to address the real challenges with this wishful bid, I can't assure you that you will be around here for much longer.

Lets hope some actions is taken ASAP

The nature of the World Cup as an event, continues to elude the minds of any blind nationalists who would support Qatar regardless of the reality.

Whatever you say boss.

Qatar should be praised for trying but its very concept is the very thing that will or might see it eliminated from the race before the vote.

58 Days left, I am sure if it were to be eliminated it wouldn't have gone this far Mo.

So the next time somebody questions 6-10 venues in one city, yes its one city, and they are replied to with a "race card", it will be taken as an accusation of racism and be dealth with accordingly.

Instead of bashing Qatar's bid, find something useful to do. (For all members)

You know what Qatar Son, despite the overwhelming sense of logic telling near enough all non-Qatar supporting nations on here that the Qatar bid is just outright ridiculous, logistically unreliable, corrupt and all manner of any other accusations, you have to admire the guts to actually go for it. Just be careful not to send accusations back the other way...retaliation isn't the best way to get your point across.

I don't think Qatar will make it much farther than the first round of the vote, but why the heck not, I'm supporting them! Got to love that underdog spirit.

You know what Qatar Son, despite the overwhelming sense of logic telling near enough all non-Qatar supporting nations on here that the Qatar bid is just outright ridiculous, logistically unreliable, corrupt and all manner of any other accusations, you have to admire the guts to actually go for it. Just be careful not to send accusations back the other way...retaliation isn't the best way to get your point across.

I don't think Qatar will make it much farther than the first round of the vote, but why the heck not, I'm supporting them! Got to love that underdog spirit.

You support a bid that is logistically woeful, based around 9 white elephant stadiums in a desert, built by workers with no rights who sometimes do not get paid? Because they are underdogs??
Love the logic.

Damn right!

It's like some sort of completely ridiculous movie, lighten up a bit. I don't really think Qatar has much of a serious chance, but fair play to them actually daring to dream.

2018 Russia
2022 Australia
2026 USA
2030 Argentina and Uruguay
2034 China

For those who haven't heard, a member of the USA committee has said that USA will pull out of 2018 and has come out in support of England.

2018 Russia
2022 Australia
2026 USA
2030 Argentina and Uruguay
2034 China
Sauce?

Sauce?

Source: Matthew Lowry

FIFA World Cup bid inspection team member Danny Jordaan says he is certain that the 24 men of the FIFA Executive committee will be influenced by its report when deciding on who will host the 2018 and 2022 finals. South Africa's World Cup CEO was part of the six-man team that concluded its nine-candidate inspection tour in Qatar in September, and will have an input into FIFA’s report which is expected to be published later this month..

Speaking at the Leaders in Football conference in London today, Jordaan said the FIFA executive “must have an idea of the capacity [of a candidate] to host the World Cup”. “I’m sure that they’ll study the report and they will be influenced by what the report says,” he said “At the end of the day FIFA wants a successful World Cup and it gives them an indication of what exists in terms of building over the next few years.

“It’s a decision that will be taken in 2010 for 2018 and 2022. So they will want an understanding of what is the proposal of the different countries in meeting the targets so that the event can be successful both from an event perspective and a commercial perspective.” Jordaan said he expected the format would remain the same for future World Cup bid contests.

He suggested that some of the flourishes put forward by 2018/2022 candidates were ephemeral to the ultimate outcome. “The problem always is that when you have a competition like the bidding and [one candidate] provides a black Mercedes Benz, the other nation provides a black Mercedes Benz that is maybe a little bigger than the opposition,” he said.

“You can put us all in a bus, we do not have to fly by helicopter to a venue. "For me it won’t make a difference, but what you must consider is that you have three days to convince me of your case that’s winnable and if I get stuck in traffic for half a day, that’s half a day I don’t see.”

http://www.worldfootballinsider.com/Story.aspx?id=33780

An outbreak of football hooliganism at the recent match between Anzhi Makhachkala and Spartak Moscow has drawn a stern response from the Dagestan club. But the potential embarrassment for Russia’s football authorities could continue in the run-up to the announcement of the 2018 World Cup hosts.

Although many in football’s homeland feel rioting fans are a relic of the past, Russian reporters gleefully reminded the world of English fan rampages home and away in response to allegations of corruption in the domestic game here. But reports of a Spartak supporters’ coach being shot at in Makhachkala, while fans clashed inside and outside the stadium, is the last thing Russia’s 2018 bid needs.

The head coach of Anzhi, a newly-promoted Premier League team, was quick to rebuke the official fan club – and said before the game fans had been asked not to respond to taunts from Spartak. Hadji Hadjiev told Sovietsky Sport: “We understand it is linked to the behaviour of red and white fans when we played in Moscow, but we cannot accept this. “We are well aware that an extremist group of Spartak fans has created an intolerable situation at different stadiums, and the executive director of the club Sayid Abdullayev met our fan representatives several times to ask them not to react.”

During Sunday’s game rival fans clashed on the terraces of Anzhi’s stadium, while members of the hosts’ “Dikaya Divisiya” (Wild Movement) fan group displayed a banner accusing Spartak fans of fascism. After the match the Spartak team bus was pelted with stones and a supporters coach was fired on with traumatic weapons.

http://www.mn.ru/sports/20101006/188101032.html

quit that made up crap, really

2018 Russia
2022 Australia
2026 USA
2030 Argentina and Uruguay
2034 China

impossible, 2026 & 2030 in america? no way!
and 2022 & 2030 in the southern hemisphere, is impossible too... by FIFA rules

impossible, 2026 & 2030 in america? no way!
and 2022 & 2030 in the southern hemisphere, is impossible too... by FIFA rules

How is 2022 and 2030 impossible by FIFA rules? The only rule I know of is that a confederation cannot host either of the next two World Cups after it hosts one.

2030 is going to be back in Europe anyways. They're going to get one of every three.

The stadium number 12
first time publish to public

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/4500/lusu.jpg (http://img375.imageshack.us/i/lusu.jpg/)



http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/6883/lusailiconic20cropped.jpg (http://img828.imageshack.us/i/lusailiconic20cropped.jpg/)



http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/8400/lusailiconicinterior20b.jpg (http://img214.imageshack.us/i/lusailiconicinterior20b.jpg/)

The stadium number 12
first time publish to public

http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/6883/lusailiconic20cropped.jpg (http://img828.imageshack.us/i/lusailiconic20cropped.jpg/)



http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/8400/lusailiconicinterior20b.jpg (http://img214.imageshack.us/i/lusailiconicinterior20b.jpg/)

Brilliant render mate.
If the World Cup hosting rights was a competition for the best renders then Russia and Qatar would romp it in-------but its clearly not.
I see a lot of Green Point in there.Green Point made it thru to construction though whereas this may just remain an architects wet dream.We'll see at the end of the month

The stadium number 12
first time publish to public

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/4500/lusu.jpg (http://img375.imageshack.us/i/lusu.jpg/)

Thank you for sharing Fantasy Stadium. Great design.

Please elaborate on cooling technologies. How does it fit in given the open spaces?

Which parts of this white elephant to be are modular?

So beautiful. :cheers:

So beautiful. :cheers:

Agreed

impossible, 2026 & 2030 in america? no way!


one's in North America, and another is in South America, its two different places with two different confederations... :)

An outbreak of football hooliganism at the recent match between Anzhi Makhachkala and Spartak Moscow has drawn a stern response from the Dagestan club. But the potential embarrassment for Russia’s football authorities could continue in the run-up to the announcement of the 2018 World Cup hosts.

Although many in football’s homeland feel rioting fans are a relic of the past, Russian reporters gleefully reminded the world of English fan rampages home and away in response to allegations of corruption in the domestic game here. But reports of a Spartak supporters’ coach being shot at in Makhachkala, while fans clashed inside and outside the stadium, is the last thing Russia’s 2018 bid needs.

The head coach of Anzhi, a newly-promoted Premier League team, was quick to rebuke the official fan club – and said before the game fans had been asked not to respond to taunts from Spartak. Hadji Hadjiev told Sovietsky Sport: “We understand it is linked to the behaviour of red and white fans when we played in Moscow, but we cannot accept this. “We are well aware that an extremist group of Spartak fans has created an intolerable situation at different stadiums, and the executive director of the club Sayid Abdullayev met our fan representatives several times to ask them not to react.”

During Sunday’s game rival fans clashed on the terraces of Anzhi’s stadium, while members of the hosts’ “Dikaya Divisiya” (Wild Movement) fan group displayed a banner accusing Spartak fans of fascism. After the match the Spartak team bus was pelted with stones and a supporters coach was fired on with traumatic weapons.

http://www.mn.ru/sports/20101006/188101032.html

For one day before the game Anji - Spartak, in Makhachkala was killed islamic terrorist Rimikhan Ziyadov.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rimikhan_Ziyadov
Rimikhan Ziyadov (born December 23, 1984 - died October 2, 2010) was a Russian professional football player. According to Russian law enforcement, he was also a leader of a terrorist cell and was shot dead during a confrontation with security forces. He last played in the Russian Second Division for FC Dagdizel Kaspiysk. He was vice-captain of the club, this season 21 games and 1 goal.
Dagestan and Chechnya among the poorest and fascist territory in Russia. There Russian is very dangerous, 99% of the population are Muslims. I want to reassure all the 2018 World Cup held there never will be. Nearest city Kranodar located a few hundred kilometers away.
North Caucasus for Russia like Northern Ireland for England.:)

Thank you for sharing Fantasy Stadium. Great design.

Please elaborate on cooling technologies. How does it fit in given the open spaces?

Which parts of this white elephant to be are modular?

ziiiinnnnggg!

Instead of bashing Qatar's bid, find something useful to do. (For all members)

Bashing is : this bid sucks

Reality is: a world cup cannot be hosted within essentially one city.

Why exactly this is difficult to understand is still beyond me. Even if every other factor, time, region, heat, football culture, were ignored, this bid fails on the fundamental principle of providing 7-10 host cities, not suburbs, to host a World Cup. This basic fact has nothing to do with Doha or Qatar and applies to every other host.

This doesn't mean Qatar should not bid or that Doha is not a great sports city.

I'd love it London or Sydney or Paris hosted the entire World Cup, but thats just not going to happen.


In terms of bashing, you will note that I continue to be a strong supporter of Doha's Olympic bid, because its possible, feasible and of a very high quality.

Bashing is : this bid sucks

Reality is: a world cup cannot be hosted within essentially one city.

Why exactly this is difficult to understand is still beyond me. Even if every other factor, time, region, heat, football culture, were ignored, this bid fails on the fundamental principle of providing 7-10 host cities, not suburbs, to host a World Cup. This basic fact has nothing to do with Doha or Qatar and applies to every other host.

This doesn't mean Qatar should not bid or that Doha is not a great sports city.

I'd love it London or Sydney or Paris hosted the entire World Cup, but thats just not going to happen.


In terms of bashing, you will note that I continue to be a strong supporter of Doha's Olympic bid, because its possible, feasible and of a very high quality.

x2
Single City=thumbs up
October=thumbs up

The stadium number 12
first time publish to public

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/4500/lusu.jpg (http://img375.imageshack.us/i/lusu.jpg/)



http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/6883/lusailiconic20cropped.jpg (http://img828.imageshack.us/i/lusailiconic20cropped.jpg/)



http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/8400/lusailiconicinterior20b.jpg (http://img214.imageshack.us/i/lusailiconicinterior20b.jpg/)

What city is this stadium in?

EDIT: Doesn't matter, I found it. It's in Doha.

very sexy stadium - is this to be built regardless of the bids success?

I hope so, it looks sensational!

^^
I doubt it would be built. Considering the fact that all of the stadiums were going to be significantly downsized after the WC anyway.

Pure result of envy, jealousy, hatred & racism is my following contribution:


Bala 5heir bala um 7mar, ay 5heir min warak ya mal3oon elwalden, la3alek ma terba7 6ool ma roo7ek tetnafas elhawa. Al7een hatha t8ool-lah Basha ?!! Labook labo abo abook, ya um elhelan int !! 7sabek insha2allah 3end allah sub7anah, w yarab yestajeeb da3wati 3leek lel w nahar. ya 6'alem ya 7a8eer ya munafi8. :shocked: Got that Oncebittentwiceshy ?

I got your message, boy. I will refrain from translating your insults and portraying the exposure of my parents. I will not stoop to your level.

Ironically - the most important person of modern English football supports Russian bid :)
http://www.gazeta.ru/sport/2010/10/a_3426451.shtml

Brilliant render mate.
If the World Cup hosting rights was a competition for the best renders then Russia and Qatar would romp it in-------but its clearly not.
I see a lot of Green Point in there.Green Point made it thru to construction though whereas this may just remain an architects wet dream.We'll see at the end of the month

_X_ .. Brilliant Render.? what about your Country.? no new render.? no new stadium's.? all existing upgrade are shit in Australia.

I can hardly find Semi Final's venue in Australia.

Looks like you get attacked regardless of what you say now... positive or negative...

Ironically - the most important person of modern English football supports Russian bid :)
http://www.gazeta.ru/sport/2010/10/a_3426451.shtml

I cannot read Russian...but judging from the picture I assume you're talking about Roman Abramovich? If so..."the most important of modern English Football"? Or if not him, Gary Lineker?!?! What have you been drinking?!

As an admin/mod I wouldn't have thought you'd sink so low.

Found a video !!!!!!

Lusail Stadium

mvESidOdQCs

some images...

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/2139/lusail1.jpg (http://img525.imageshack.us/i/lusail1.jpg/)

http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/4163/lusail2.jpg (http://img842.imageshack.us/i/lusail2.jpg/)

what's wrong with it?

he is the man who lead british champions to their title.

Is this thread a cheap alternative to a kindergarten?

Found a video !!!!!!

Lusail Stadium

mvESidOdQCs


they will build this stadium regardless of the outcome 2 december and it is located next to Lusail international circuit as appear in the video

_X_ .. Brilliant Render.? what about your Country.? no new render.? no new stadium's.? all existing upgrade are shit in Australia.

I can hardly find Semi Final's venue in Australia.

"Brilliant Render", it is a render, that is what it is called.

What about my Country?
Almost all the infrastructure is already there.

No new Stadiums?
I'm sorry but if you cared to read anything about the Australian bid you'd find that you are misinformed. The pics of the new stadiums to be built on the Australian site are only preliminary concepts from Populous. If Australia wins then the venues will be designed from scratch. Can you recall the initial artist impressions from Germany 2006, SA 2010 and Brazil 2014?
What eventually gets built is normally far more impressive. Australia knows that it ain't pretty renders provided 12 years prior to the event that will help us win.

All existing upgates are shit are they?
What do you base that on?
The likes of ANZ Stadium, the MCG and Suncorp Stadium are completly world class. If you dont like the look of them, who cares? looks are subjective.

I have no problem with the Lusail Renders, they look fun. Not my favorite from the Qatar bid, I personally like that Sports City one.

One thing I've noticed abouth the venue renders of the respective bidders and I assume some others may have noticed is that the Australian renders are of the proposed stadium imposed into photos of their REAL location. That is what the area looks like and what the sun and sky is like and what you can expect.

Renders from other bids are wholy constructed pictures with a healthy amount of artistic exaggeration which we are accoustomed to seeing. Such as a warped perspective to give a more dynamic appearence. Impossible colours of the sky for wow factor. Unrealistic computer game like landscapes of deeper greens and turquoise water. Many of us have studied and / or work in the design field, we do these little larger than life impressions all the time.

The best example off the top of my head of what I mean is compare the renders of London's Olympic Stadium to the of the MCG from the respective bid sites. You can see a deliberate alteration of the scale of the soccer pitch in the London render to give the visual impression that the gap between sideline and fence is not as large as it really is, just look at the scale of the goal posts. While the MCG socer pitch is to scale and accurate of what will be the real distances from the sideline to the fence.
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00113/stadia_stratford_68_113613a.jpg
http://www.australiabid.com.au/resources.ashx/SystemRadControlAssets/40/Name/D68D2803F60825D7C7482AA69BA016D7/MCG.jpg

So all up, as we know renders are for selling via wow factor, being intentionaly misleading in them is standard practice.

I suspect the london render might be more accurate than you give it credit for, the MCG is larger by about 20,000 seats remember. Are the playing surfaces similar in size?

Though that doesnt change your point that pretty renders do not make a quality world cup.

one's in North America, and another is in South America, its two different places with two different confederations... :)

Yes, but you know that FIFA not gonna select 2 world cups in a row in Americas....
almost impossible,,,,

I suspect the london render might be more accurate than you give it credit for, the MCG is larger by about 20,000 seats remember. Are the playing surfaces similar in size?

Though that doesnt change your point that pretty renders do not make a quality world cup.

I'm talking strickly playing surfaces. The London Olympic Stadium and the MCG are not the same shape. The london olympic stadium's playing surface is 195m/135m (slighly larger than the similar shaped Subiaco Oval which is the AFL longest ground). The MCG's playing surface is 173/148m.
In the London render, they have added a second oval (probably a suggestion of a different surface) which breaks up the real gap between sideline and fence, it would apear far more vast but realistic is it had the same surface going to the fence thus truely revealing the size of the space. As for the field markings, I'd say they have been scaled up by around 5%. The goal posts are the clearest liberty take with scale, they are clearly more than 2.44m to the field, imagine a person in that pic next to them then look at the size of the vomitories.

Geez I ramble on.:nuts:

This might put it into more perspective.
(Sorry for the large pic)
http://anmblog.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c565553ef01310fdb7738970c-pi

Didnt realise the surface was that long...

I love this word Islamaphobic. I wonder what the exact word was when I was living in Qatar and I could have been arrested and put into prison for practicing/praying towards any other religion other than Islam mmm yeah FAIL!

Your post is the definition of Islamophobia. Assuming that because a country is Muslim means that you will be put in prison for practicing another religion isn't Islamophobia? In what universe, exactly, seeing as that does not even have a shred of truth in it? The only reason you think that is because you know that Qatar is Muslim, and thats about where your knowledge of the country stops.

I am not commenting about other posts by other members for the record, only this blatantly ignorant post. And Qatar is a failure? By whose standards other than your own, bigoted ones? Qatar's bid has a few shortcomings, yes, but how does this translate to the entire country and its achievements being a failure?


Masa al kheir from Egypt ya basha. Qatar's bid is apocryphal, obscene, antithetical, hostile, asinine, embarrassing, contemptuous and an insult.

Football character assassination. An apology and withdrawal would be in place.

You'll probably find me featuring on youtube in a decapitation video shortly, having advocated anti-islam sentiments.

Masa el 5air to you too. Yes, how dare a country have a bit of ambition? They should all be political and economic self-deluded failures like Egypt.

Be very very careful. Accusations of racism will be taken as seriously as racist remarks.

MysteryMike's post is clearly racist. He just claimed that Qatar would throw any non-Muslim in jail simply for being non-Muslim based on nothing but ignorance and bigotry. If that isn't racism, I don't know what is. The assumption that Muslim = oppressive is just as racist as black = criminal. If my logic here is mistaken, feel free to correct me.

what's wrong with it?

he is the man who lead british champions to their title.


You said "the most important man in Modern English football", and i'm just perplexed you could come to such a conclusion. He's a rich guy who pumped loads of money into buying Chelsea the Premier League, but the "most important man in Modern English football"?! He was just one of the first big money chairmen of the league, he's now no more or less significant than say Manchester City's chairman, or the new Liverpool guy.

Other than that, I don't see what's so ironic about a Russian guy who owns an English team, wanting the Russian bid to succeed.

"Brilliant Render", it is a render, that is what it is called.

What about my Country?
Almost all the infrastructure is already there.

No new Stadiums?
I'm sorry but if you cared to read anything about the Australian bid you'd find that you are misinformed. The pics of the new stadiums to be built on the Australian site are only preliminary concepts from Populous. If Australia wins then the venues will be designed from scratch. Can you recall the initial artist impressions from Germany 2006, SA 2010 and Brazil 2014?
What eventually gets built is normally far more impressive. Australia knows that it ain't pretty renders provided 12 years prior to the event that will help us win.

All existing upgates are shit are they?
What do you base that on?
The likes of ANZ Stadium, the MCG and Suncorp Stadium are completly world class. If you dont like the look of them, who cares? looks are subjective.

I have no problem with the Lusail Renders, they look fun. Not my favorite from the Qatar bid, I personally like that Sports City one.

One thing I've noticed abouth the venue renders of the respective bidders and I assume some others may have noticed is that the Australian renders are of the proposed stadium imposed into photos of their REAL location. That is what the area looks like and what the sun and sky is like and what you can expect.

Renders from other bids are wholy constructed pictures with a healthy amount of artistic exaggeration which we are accoustomed to seeing. Such as a warped perspective to give a more dynamic appearence. Impossible colours of the sky for wow factor. Unrealistic computer game like landscapes of deeper greens and turquoise water. Many of us have studied and / or work in the design field, we do these little larger than life impressions all the time.

The best example off the top of my head of what I mean is compare the renders of London's Olympic Stadium to the of the MCG from the respective bid sites. You can see a deliberate alteration of the scale of the soccer pitch in the London render to give the visual impression that the gap between sideline and fence is not as large as it really is, just look at the scale of the goal posts. While the MCG socer pitch is to scale and accurate of what will be the real distances from the sideline to the fence.


That may or may not be true re: London's Olympic stadium render (I don't personally think it is), but the Olympic Stadium is the third, fourth and possibly even fifth choice venue in London!! Wembley and the Emirates, and I hope the New White Hart are ahead of it. Personally, I'd even prefer Twickenham, though it's not in our bid document.

The MCG, on the other hand, is being suggested for the final or semi-final in Australia's bid.

I get your point about renders being too saturated in their colours and possibly out of sync with some aspects of reality, but let's just clear up one thing; England's bid has fewer renders than most, and the render you've chosen as an example is by no means a certainty in our bid.

MysteryMike's post is clearly racist. He just claimed that Qatar would throw any non-Muslim in jail simply for being non-Muslim based on nothing but ignorance and bigotry. If that isn't racism, I don't know what is. The assumption that Muslim = oppressive is just as racist as black = criminal. If my logic here is mistaken, feel free to correct me.

Buddy it's not racist, it's FACT. I lived in Qatar myself, my dad was a key part of putting in the telecommunications infrastructure in Qatar as one of the chief project managers for Cable and Wireless and he then ran it for a long time before QTel alright. I was stating exactly what happened, maybe it's time you learned some truths instead of living in delusion.

FIFA vice president and Korean football leader Chung Mung-joon has launched a withering attack on the country’s 2022 World Cup bid rivals, suggesting they have waged a dirty tricks campaign for which they “definitely deserve a yellow card, if not red". Speaking at the Leaders in Football conference in London, Chung said there was a “lingering suspicion” that a rival bid had deliberately taken out of context China’s desire to run for the 2026 tournament to suit its own ends.

Chung said that Chinese FA head Wei Di had denied to Asian Football Confederation colleagues quotes attributed to him in the Chinese state media in July, in which he entertained plans for a bid to host the 2026 finals. Chung said he suspected a rival bid – motivated by “wishful thinking to sway the bidding competition in its favour” – had exploited the comments to prejudice the bid race.

The state media reports were picked up by Reuters on July 17, and widely reported elsewhere. “My Asian colleagues believe that, if true, such attempts definitely deserve a yellow card, if not red,” he said. Chung stopped short of naming the rival bid nation, but the USA appears to be the only nation to benefit from China hosting the later tournament.

He said that fans deserved clement weather, also casting doubt on the viability of World Cup stadiums in small cities, possibly a reference to Qatar putting stadiums in some of its smaller urban centres. Chung said that FIFA’s two prime considerations in hosting a tournament were fans and legacies. “The fans are the true owner of the beautiful game and then the legacies will outlive us to inspire our posterity,” he said.

He added: “Lofty aspirations of becoming a host city is highly commendable, but under normal circumstances, World Cup stadiums for a city between 100,000 and 200,000 inhabitants raises questions on the financial rationality of such investments.”

http://www.worldfootballinsider.com/Story.aspx?id=33785

Masa el 5air to you too. Yes, how dare a country have a bit of ambition? Not to be confused with realism though.

Danny Jordan, chief executive of the 2010 World Cup in South Africa, is one of the most powerful voices in football who does not sit on FIFA's executive committee. Jordaan was, however, a prominent member of the FIFA technical team, led by Chilean Harold Mayne-Nicholls, who did the global tour of all nine bidders for 2018 and 2022 over the summer.

In the past, the technical reports have been more about separating the wheat from the chaff, pointing to the bids that are infeasible. This time, hinted Jordaan at the Leaders in Football Conference, the suggestions will be much more direct."FIFA will consider the legacy issue very seriously," said Jordaan. "Bidders should be clear what that is and how it means a legacy, not just for the country but for sport.

"You will have a good idea of how we see the full strength of the cases when the report comes out next month. We will report objectively on what we find." That means an effectively ranking of the bidders is likely, with the England bid hoping that "risk" is a serious part of the assessment, believing that the fact the country could put on the tournament this summer ensures it must rate highest. Bid chief Andy Anson was happy to confirm England can promise a profit of £161million from ticket sales alone, while the three other campaigns, Russia and the joint Iberian and Low Countries bids, were unwilling to give such an analysis in a four-way debate.

Russia bid head Alexei Sorokin did concede to £6billion in infrastructure costs, although that was a reference to stadium building alone, not the multi-billion price-tag for bringing the country's transport system up to scratch or the hotels that need to be built.

And while Sorokin dismissed the racism issue - which arose from the treatment of Nigerian striker Peter Odemwingie when he left Lokomotiv Moscow for West Brom - he vigorously insisted: "We're absolutely certain we have a very strong case. "We think that the advantages we offer to FIFA are difficult to overstate. We have what it takes to win the process and have the government behind us strongly.

"So we are taking football to new territory with this World Cup. It will be the first time it is going to be held at the crossroads of east and west, a country so vast that its hard to imagine the size and magnitude. We have a great story we want to share to the world." Russia and England do seem like the front-runners although Anson refuses to discount either Spain/Portugal or Holland/Belgium.

The Dutch bid leader Harry Been promises "the greenest bid ever" and pointed out that the countries are placed "at the very heart of Europe" - in contrast to the other three bidders which are all on the margins, while the Iberian campaign is using the heritage of Barcelona and Real Madrid, and the guaranteed warm weather, as a core message element. Of course it may all count for nothing. In reality, if it does come down to a shoot-out between England and Russia, it may be about what the FA can offer FIFA in 2018 and what the Russian can offer the 24 executive committee members now.

The next eight weeks are about setting up the deals in the dark corridors, the unofficial agreements that will be decisive when the 24 sit round the table in Zurich on December 2. No wonder people are starting to get twitchy.

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opinion/blogs/laptop-martin-lipton/England-World-Cup-2018-bid-rests-on-politics-and-backroom-deals-as-FIFA-delegates-meet-in-Zurich-Martin-Lipton-s-Big-Lunchtime-Read-article595931.html

Thank you for sharing Fantasy Stadium. Great design.

Please elaborate on cooling technologies. How does it fit in given the open spaces?

Which parts of this white elephant to be are modular?

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The design for the Lusall Iconic Stadium in Doha, Qatar was recently unveiled in a ceremony in London as part of Qatar’s bid for the 2022 World Cup. The energy efficient stadium was conceived by Foster and Partners as a floating bowl with a retractable roof. It will seat over 86,000 spectators which will be protected from the extreme hot by an innovative canopy that allows light while blocking the heat. The stadium’s parking is covered by photovoltaic cells that will provide sufficient energy during matches and will power a large portion of the neighborhood when not in use.

That + The cooling technologies.
Remember that the cooling technologies will also be used in outdoor spaces such as fanzones/fests, training pitches, walkways between metro stations and stadiums.

So far, This monster will not have any modular part, this is a great cathedral for the FIFA World Cup Final. NO WHITE ELEPHANT since its designed to hold many social, entertainment and cultural events post world cup. (in addition to football finals offcourse !.)

So let's get this straight.....

Lusail National Stadium - Doha
Khalifa International Stadium - Doha
Sports City Stadium - Doha
Al-Kahwr Stadium - Al Khor
Al-Shamal Stadium - Ash Shamal
Al-Wakrah Stadium - Al Wakrah
Umm Salal Stadium - Umm Salal (15km north of Doha)
Doha Port Stadium - Doha
Education City Stadium - Doha
Al-Gharafa Stadium - Doha
Al Rayyan Stadium - Al Rayyan
Qatar University Stadium - Doha

7 stadiums within Doha itself. You've gotta be kidding me! Is this some kind of joke? :lol:

Buddy it's not racist, it's FACT. I lived in Qatar myself, my dad was a key part of putting in the telecommunications infrastructure in Qatar as one of the chief project managers for Cable and Wireless and he then ran it for a long time before QTel alright. I was stating exactly what happened, maybe it's time you learned some truths instead of living in delusion.

How is it fact when there are a number of churches operating in Doha, built with the full consent of the Emir (who gifted the churches the land they were built on himself)? Nobody is prosecuted here for freely practicing their religion, full stop.

Not to be confused with realism though.

That point is debatable. Still, a bit unnecessarily cynical to say what you said above, don't you think?

That point is debatable. Still, a bit unnecessarily cynical to say what you said above, don't you think?

Qatar's bid being apocryphal, obscene, antithetical, hostile, asinine, embarrassing, contemptuous and an insult?. Indeed, I forgot to mention cynical.

Supporter's atmosphere is organic and spontaneous.

Dedicated airco-zones, sponsored by Carrier, in a desperate attempt to fabricate and dictate atmosphere, aren't.

One has to originate from authentic footballing countries to grasp the magnitude.

Qatar. All alone in the airco-zone.

How is it fact when there are a number of churches operating in Doha, built with the full consent of the Emir (who gifted the churches the land they were built on himself)? Nobody is prosecuted here for freely practicing their religion, full stop.

Buddy wake up:lol: the church was only built two years ago and it's only because the emir is kissing US ass and allowing the HQ there to bomb the rest of the middle east. Qatar's bid is rubbish, if Qatar hosts the world cup then Timbuktu can host the world cup, they've gotten closer to qualifying with an actual football team that's from their country unlike Qatar. BTW I didn't put this before but I wonder how many people are interested in going to jail for making out with their partner during the football world cup.

The couple was first rebuked by authorities in Qatar for kissing in public along the beach. So the two Lebanese expats argued that they were married and were doing nothing wrong. But the plea, ironically, put them in even more trouble, as their union was judged unlawful by a court in this conservative Muslim Persian Gulf country.

The couple, who fled Qatar before the verdict was announced, was sentenced in absentia to a year of prison for having an illicit sexual relationship, according to recent media reports. The court argued that their marriage could not be recognized in Qatar because it was an interfaith union between a Muslim woman and a Christian man.

The trouble started in April when a Qatari family complained to police about the couple kissing in public, Gulf Times said. Police said the two, whose names were not released to the media, were caught in an "indecent position."The man, who works in Qatar, said he had done nothing more than place his hand on the shoulder of his wife, who had arrived to the country 10 days earlier.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/babylonbeyond/2008/12/qatar-interfait.html

^^^ Can't believe stuff like that still happens in the 21st century.:ohno:

Buddy wake up:lol: the church was only built two years ago and it's only because the emir is kissing US ass and allowing the HQ there to bomb the rest of the middle east.

So ?? We have had many churches around Doha for the expat population, but this was the first government backed one (Largest in the Gulf area), soon we will have a synagogue next to it aswell.

What is this ? No body is kissing any ones ass. We built the runway and some facilities and they simply came (shifting from KSA), yes it is used by the US to bomb Iraq and Afghanistan, but there is also the protection of Qatar as a whole, this is a great security point as they will help in providing airspace security during the World Cup.


Qatar's bid is rubbish, if Qatar hosts the world cup then Timbuktu can host the world cup, they've gotten closer to qualifying with an actual football team that's from their country unlike Qatar. BTW I didn't put this before but I wonder how many people are interested in going to jail for making out with their partner during the football world cup.

Timbuktu ? :lol:. yeah right, It would be very hard for countries to do what Qatar is doing right now, could they offer stadiums as good as the Qatar bid ? hardly. We are proud of our nationalized players, do as you like (eg, smash your head on to a wall).

That last comment was as stupid as the comment that claimed there will be mass arrests in Russia due to the law that prohibits flags in public areas. (laws and rules change with time, its time that you understand that).

Russia has a real football team and has qualified for world cups, Russia also hasn't failed the technical requirements for a world cup. Qatar has failed at everything, all of Qatar's bid is complete utter BS. What the heck is real? Nothing! It's based on bs graphic designed videos, pictures, unproven technologies,bs promises and people who aren't even qatari because guess what? Qatar has produced ZERO decent football players. Qatar is a failure and a disgrace to the football world and quite frankly this whole bid is nothing more than an embarrassing joke to show the ego of the Qatari king. It's made a total farce of the world cup bidding process. It's an absolute utter joke, the worst bid in the history of all bids. As I said Timbuktu deserves to host the world cup before Doha aka Qatar aka place with nothing for tourists aka kissing in public will land you in jail aka place that's the richest country on the planet per capita but still doesn't pay it's employees and pretty much holds them as captive slaves, Qatar = total FAIL! (from every point of view)

Timbuktu ? :lol:. yeah right, It would be very hard for countries to do what Doha is doing right now, could they offer stadiums as good as the Doha bid ? hardly. We are proud of our nationalized players, do as you like (eg, smash your head on to a wall).

That last comment was as stupid as the comment that claimed there will be mass arrests in Russia due to the law that prohibits flags in public areas. (laws and rules change with time, its time that you understand that).
Fixed for accuracy.

Buddy wake up:lol: the church was only built two years ago and it's only because the emir is kissing US ass and allowing the HQ there to bomb the rest of the middle east.

I'm getting pretty tired of this BS. The Churches have been operating for much, much longer than 2 years ago, with the full knowledge of the State. For as long as I remember, they have been operating out of villas, out of schools, and out of sports halls. The Emir granted them the permeant structures two years ago - not the right to worship, which has been there for much longer.

As for the Emir "kissing US ass", I call bullshit. The Emir has one of the most balanced policies in the Middle East; while he is allied to the US, he uses that influence to allow him to do a lot of good around the region. This is the man who financed the rebuilding efforts in South Lebanon after the 2006 war, opened the first independent new source in the Middle East (Al Jazeera), and has shifted much aid to Gaza for years now. Nothing is as black and white as you make it out to be.

Qatar's bid is rubbish, if Qatar hosts the world cup then Timbuktu can host the world cup, they've gotten closer to qualifying with an actual football team that's from their country unlike Qatar. BTW I didn't put this before but I wonder how many people are interested in going to jail for making out with their partner during the football world cup.

WTF do you have against Qatar? Seriously, did you get bullied there as a child or something? If you don't like their bid that's completely your choice and right, but why do you feel the need to attack them left, right and centre?

And i'm pretty sure that should the WC happen, a lot of the country's regulations will be very loosened for the duration.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/babylonbeyond/2008/12/qatar-interfait.html

That is pretty shocking, although I will say two things. First of all, this may (and I emphasize may) not be the full story. Second of all, with many cases like this the courts will hand down a sentence and then follow up with an order for it to not be carried out, to make a statement that local values should be respected more than anything. I suspect something similar happened here.

In any case, I completely disagree with this law but the issue here is that the Qatari court does not recognize the validity of their marriage, and not that it does not recognize their freedom to worship. Your original point is still completely false - a Christian, Hindu or whatever can practice their religion in Qatar.

what's wrong with it?

he is the man who lead british champions to their title.
He's Russian, I'm a Chelsea fan and I can safely say he's not the most important figure in modern English football, of course he's going to support his own country's bid.

Things are getting interesting now

Korean bid accuse competing non-asian 2022 bids (hmm who could that be) of creating false rumours of a 2026 China bid to get the USA up for 2022

http://www.worldfootballinsider.com/Story.aspx?id=33785

and then we have the AFC boss seeming to talk up the China bid for 2026

http://news.theage.com.au/breaking-news-sport/world-cup-bidding-process-under-fire-20101008-16b04.html

then we have rumours of a certain AFC president wanting the top job:

http://www.worldfootballinsider.com/Story.aspx?id=33787

why do I get the feeling the AFC has no chance of in 2022 at all now, and our own confed boss will be selling us down the river for his own benefit?

Hamman is selling us out. :/

Blatter ran to Qatr on his knees. deffo tru fakt.

Blatter ran to Qatr on his knees. deffo tru fakt.

your prime minster was in his office few days ago asking him to vote for Australia I dont see any new news every thing clear since months to Qataris.

That doesn't make sense.

That doesn't make sense.

Neither does Mysterymike or Solopop (utter BS)

So let's get this straight.....

Lusail National Stadium - Doha
Khalifa International Stadium - Doha
Sports City Stadium - Doha
Al-Kahwr Stadium - Al Khor
Al-Shamal Stadium - Ash Shamal
Al-Wakrah Stadium - Al Wakrah
Umm Salal Stadium - Umm Salal (15km north of Doha)
Doha Port Stadium - Doha
Education City Stadium - Doha
Al-Gharafa Stadium - Doha
Al Rayyan Stadium - Al Rayyan
Qatar University Stadium - Doha

7 stadiums within Doha itself. You've gotta be kidding me! Is this some kind of joke? :lol:

Its called blind nationalism.

Thing is, Qatar_son is clearly not dumb or uninformed, its blind nationalism that results in somebody looking at the list convincing themselves of something thats impossible.

It's difficult, not impossible I'd say. But it does fly in the face of the rules all the other bids have to abide by, and probably wouldn't result in a very exciting world cup either for TV or travelling fans.

Can they do it; at a real stretch.

Should other 2022 bids be ignored in favour of this one; I hope not, personally.

Its impossible by FIFA rules and host city contracts. Unless these contracts have changed.

Well exactly.

Logistically though, it's not impossible; just very difficult, that's all I'm saying.

That doesn't make sense.

Neither does the unrealistic and jingoistic Qatar treason attempt, estranged from the true essence and core nature of a World Cup.

The rules will not be bent or broken to allow one city host 7 stadiums.

Well exactly.

Logistically though, it's not impossible; just very difficult, that's all I'm saying.

very difficult more than the weather ;)

The rules will not be bent or broken to allow one city host 7 stadiums.

what rule ! FIFA has 5 rules to host world cup
there no rule between it talk about cities number !

hahahah this only what Mo Rush think becouse he dont know what the difference between WorldCup and UEFA Championship
he is the blind not the Qataris or FIFA lol

Its impossible by FIFA rules and host city contracts. Unless these contracts have changed.

Obviously they have changed or the would have told Qatar not to bid. London is actually capable of hosting a world cup by it's self, so your point makes no sense.

^
Yes and London is a city made of 8 000 000 people with existing infrastructure that is larger than Qatar.

Qatar is a country of 1 600 000 million people with next to no existing infrastructure.

what rule ! FIFA has 5 rules to host world cup
there no rule between it talk about cities number !

hahahah this only what Mo Rush think becouse he dont know what the difference between WorldCup and UEFA Championship
he is the blind not the Qataris or FIFA lol

Google translate doesn't work that well.

Is there some sort of psychic connection between Qatari's and FIFA? If yes is it only the people who were born there or is it under-paid workers as well?

what rule ! FIFA has 5 rules to host world cup
there no rule between it talk about cities number !

hahahah this only what Mo Rush think becouse he dont know what the difference between WorldCup and UEFA Championship
he is the blind not the Qataris or FIFA lol

Errrm ooooookkkkkaaaaaaayyyyyyy. :lol:

You cannot have 7 stadiums in one city. What a joke. :nuts: :lol:

Obviously they have changed or the would have told Qatar not to bid. London is actually capable of hosting a world cup by it's self, so your point makes no sense.
London could theoretically host it, but it's not going to. So your point makes no sense either.

ANYWAYS,

Regardless of the 2nd of December results.

4 stadiums WILL be built.

Including Education City , Alkhor, Alwakrah & Sport city.

That + 3 existing (Al-Gharrafa, Al-Rayyan & Khalifa Stadium)

that means we will have 7 stadiums that were part of the World Cup plan existing but without a FIFA WC, the other 5 would have been built only if the FIFA WC comes to Qatar.

ANYWAYS,

Regardless of the 2nd of December results.

4 stadiums WILL be built.

Including Education City , Alkhor, Alwakrah & Sport city.

That + 3 existing (Al-Gharrafa, Al-Rayyan & Khalifa Stadium)

that means we will have 7 stadiums that were part of the World Cup plan existing but without a FIFA WC, the other 5 would have been built only if the FIFA WC comes to Qatar.

nice to hear :)

Obviously they have changed or the would have told Qatar not to bid. London is actually capable of hosting a world cup by it's self, so your point makes no sense.

uhm these contracts are signed after the host is selected.

what rule ! FIFA has 5 rules to host world cup
there no rule between it talk about cities number !

hahahah this only what Mo Rush think becouse he dont know what the difference between WorldCup and UEFA Championship
he is the blind not the Qataris or FIFA lol

yes, because South Africa has not just hosted the WC, Cape Town was not just a host city, and I do not have copies of the 2010 host city contract, stadium use agreement etc.

I clearly don't know the difference. They very fact that you even consider 7 venues in a small city shows that you still do not grasp the concept of a World Cup. This is not the Olympic Games or the Asian Games or a tennis tournament

7 stadia in 1 city. Not going to happen. As I've said before, blind nationalism is clearly apaprent here.

See Rio, see Johannesburg, see Paris, see Cape Town.

yes, because South Africa has not just hosted the WC, Cape Town was not just a host city, and I do not have copies of the 2010 host city contract, stadium use agreement etc.

I clearly don't know the difference. They very fact that you even consider 7 venues in a small city shows that you still do not grasp the concept of a World Cup. This is not the Olympic Games or the Asian Games or a tennis tournament

7 stadia in 1 city. Not going to happen. As I've said before, blind nationalism is clearly apaprent here.

See Rio, see Johannesburg, see Paris, see Cape Town.

This map taken from the Bid website outlines the position of stadiums, there are ONLY 3 IN DOHA !!! however there are 4 in Al-Rayyan.


http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/9711/compactmap.jpg (http://img149.imageshack.us/i/compactmap.jpg/)

^^ "Only" "3", he says. 3 is still like 1 too many.

Both of which is not going to happen.

Distance between Al Rayyan and Khalifa Stadium 4.97km

Both of which is not going to happen.

Distance between Al Rayyan and Khalifa Stadium 4.97km

In case you haven't noticed, Khalifa Stadium IS in AL Rayyan....

well then you should have called the Asian Games, Al Rayyan

Google Earth says 9.8km from Doha.

I drive 12km to get to work or 10km to get Cape Town's CBD.

This means Cape Town could build stadia in Bellville, the CBD, Century City, Newlands, Khayelitsha, and many other areas and host the entire WC!

I'm so excited.

This map taken from the Bid website outlines the position of stadiums, there are ONLY 3 IN DOHA !!! however there are 4 in Al-Rayyan.


http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/9711/compactmap.jpg (http://img149.imageshack.us/i/compactmap.jpg/)

Can you add a scale to the map please? Ta.

ANYWAYS,

Regardless of the 2nd of December results.

4 stadiums WILL be built.

Including Education City , Alkhor, Alwakrah & Sport city.

That + 3 existing (Al-Gharrafa, Al-Rayyan & Khalifa Stadium)

that means we will have 7 stadiums that were part of the World Cup plan existing but without a FIFA WC, the other 5 would have been built only if the FIFA WC comes to Qatar.

Are they going to be built the same size or are they going to be reduced like the plans after the World Cup?

Are they going to be built the same size or are they going to be reduced like the plans after the World Cup?

Sport city stadium will stay full capacity (47K), the rest however will be ~25K. So the modular elements that would have been added to the rest of the stadiums would have been 170K in total capacity of modular elements. Post world cup, they would have been shipped of to 22 poor developing countries to be reassembled there.

these are the models for the modular parts.
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/6992/modularslidev3.jpg (http://img177.imageshack.us/i/modularslidev3.jpg/)

Can you add a scale to the map please? Ta.

Here's a map with a scale for comparison:

http://go.hrw.com/atlas/norm_map/qatar.gif

Cheers.

So Al Rayyan is basically a suburb of Doha then.

There's not even any use in discussing a useless bid which has failed the technical and football requirements for a world cup in such pathetic fashion. Pack it up and withdraw Qatar's bid ASAP. It's a farce, a disgrace and an utter embarrassment to everyone concerned.

There's not even any use in discussing a useless bid which has failed the technical and football requirements for a world cup in such pathetic fashion. Pack it up and withdraw Qatar's bid ASAP. It's a farce, a disgrace and an utter embarrassment to everyone concerned.

Enough.

We get the idea that you don't like this bid. I too doubt the validity of Qatar hosting the World Cup on their own. I think they could have a much more realistic chance if they presented a joint bid with UAE, for instance.

But let's not bang on about it ad nauseam, eh? And while we're at it, a modicum of respect shown towards the Qataris on this board might not be out of order.

But let's not bang on about it ad nauseam, eh? And while we're at it, a modicum of respect shown towards the Qataris on this board might not be out of order.

Here's my respect. http://qatarsucks.com/

I grew up in Qatar buddy (if you didn't know), so I don't think attacking a garbage bid with these king's ass kissing qatari's on this board who were bought like zidane, roger miller, more than half their football squad and turned the world cup bidding process into an utter farce is out of line.

Here's my respect. http://qatarsucks.com/

I grew up in Qatar buddy (if you didn't know), so I don't think attacking a garbage bid with these king's ass kissing qatari's on this board who were bought like zidane, roger miller, more than half their football squad and turned the world cup bidding process into an utter farce is out of line.

Hmm, so you found yourself a website full of close minded, racist bigots like yourself?

You expect us to take you seriously when you link to a website that claims that all Qataris are "unintelligent/ materialistic/ ignorant/ ugly bastards"? Thanks for confirming what I knew all along - you are a racist. You have linked to racist websites, generalized about Qataris in a racist manner, and have generally shown how much of an ignorant fool you really are. And yet, surprise surprise, the mods do nothing about it.

Instead of actually offering constructive criticism, which would be welcomed, you choose the path of racist, ignorant and bigoted dialogue. Yet you expect people to take your sorry ass seriously.

You are extremely out of line here. It is quite sad how obsessed you are with Qatar, and JimB is right - it is getting extremely tiring.

Here's my respect. http://qatarsucks.com/

I grew up in Qatar buddy (if you didn't know), so I don't think attacking a garbage bid with these king's ass kissing qatari's on this board who were bought like zidane, roger miller, more than half their football squad and turned the world cup bidding process into an utter farce is out of line.

You have no right to judge individuals on this board. You don't know them from Adam. I don't know what nationality you are but I dare say that people / governments in your country have done bad things too. Should we all disrespect you on that basis? Should you disrespect me because of the people / governments of my country? Should everyone disrespect everyone on that basis? If that was our guiding principle, these boards would soon descend into an unmanageable mess of accusation and counter accusation and no one would ever get to discuss buildings which - in case you had forgotten - is what this website is all about.

So please........however legitimate your grievances against Qatar may be, don't bring your baggage with you on to these boards. Treat other posters with respect or, if you really are incapable of controlling your emotions, just stop posting.

Endlessly repeating a shopping list of pejorative adjectives that you believe to be appropriate to Qatar (or Qatar's bid for the World Cup) doesn't constitute debate. It isn't helpful. And it just takes the discussion off track - to everyone's detriment. So I politely and respectfully ask that you hold your tongue (however difficult it may be for you) and stay on topic. Thank you.

It's better when the stadiums are closer, so the tourist can visit more possible games. Look at USA 1994 going from L.A to Chicago, or Brazil 2014 going from Porto Alegre to Manaus. Look at the distance. Closer the better.

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/9159/10082516103215079.jpg

Vladimir Putin promises to show up in Zurich ahead of the FIFA vote on December 2

AFC chief visits Kazan
Kazan: AFC President Mohamed Bin Hammam visited the Republic of Tatarstan on Friday.

Tatarstan is bidding to become part of Russia’s potential host cities for the FIFA World Cup 2018 and 2022.

Tatarstan has been jockeying for Moscow's favours as President Rustam Minnikhanov has announced that his republic would apply to host international football matches as part of Russia's 2018 and 2022 World Cup bid. A FIFA delegation has inspected and visited the capital city of Tatarstan, Kazan, which hopes to be a host city.

Kazan is also the home of Russian powerhouse Rubin Kazan club.

Bin Hammam, accompanied by fellow FIFA Executive Committee member Hani Abourida, of Egypt, in his visit to Kazan on Friday, was very much impressed by the football tradition and infrastructure in the city.

He says that it is clear that the city of 1.2 million population would do a great job if given a chance.

“It is a great honour and pleasure to be received by the Republic of Tatarstan’s people in Kazan. I would like to thank President (Minnikhanov) for his fantastic hospitality."

Bin Hammam stated that AFC would “only” back Europe’s desire to host the 2018 version of the world football extravaganza.

“I want to assure Europe on behalf of AFC that we recognise and support their desire to host the 2018 edition,” he said.

“It will be an open bid and everybody is free to support anyone,” said Bin
Hammam. “But our support is for Europe when it comes to 2018."

However, Bin Hammam stressed that the AFC is not in a position to support one candidate as AFC itself has already four bidders.

“We have four countries that are very capable of hosting the World Cup. We will put our best foot forward in 2022. We are determined,” he said.

Seven countries are bidding for the 2018 and 2022 FIFA World Cup. They are Australia, Belgium & Netherlands, England, Russia, Spain & Portugal, and USA.

Three countries - Qatar, Japan and Korea Republic - are in the running for only the 2022 edition.

In his reply, Minnikhanov said football was Russia’s leading sport but the country had never hosted the FIFA World Cup.

“We will make it a spectacular competition and an unforgettable experience for all the participants and supporters. And we at Tartastan are also planning to build a brand new 45,000 seat stadium to fulfill the need of the world football bonanza. The new stadium can be potentially first be used and tested in the XXVII World Universiade in 2013.

"Our Primer Minister Vladimir Putin also promised to show up in Zurich ahead of the FIFA vote on December 2. He is 'Ready to Inspire' us. ”he said, referring to Russia's bid motto.

http://www.the-afc.com/en/inside-afc/676-afc-news/30795-afc-chief-visits-kazan

....the rest however will be ~25K. So the modular elements that would have been added to the rest of the stadiums would have been 170K in total capacity of modular elements. Post world cup, they would have been shipped of to 22 poor developing countries to be reassembled there.

How will Qatar compensate the designated 22 poor hapless and developing countries for the non-arrival of beneficial modular phantom charitas?

It's better when the stadiums are closer, so the tourist can visit more possible games. Look at USA 1994 going from L.A to Chicago, or Brazil 2014 going from Porto Alegre to Manaus. Look at the distance. Closer the better.

Right, because we don't have planes.

Do you think anyone that had to go from LA to Chicago were really complaining? They were tourists, its what tourists do, they see different places. Thats part of what the world cup is about for most people, seeing what the host country has to offer - not hiding in their air-conditioned hotel rooms waiting for the start of the next match they have tickets to.

With the exception of Perth, Australia's bid cities are all within a relatively cheap and short plane trip of each other - but importantly, theres something different to see and do in each one. The trip isnt a waste of time - you can dive the reef in Townsville, hit the harbour and beaches in Sydney, wander through Melbourne's laneways and gardens and so on. The US would be much the same, though the cities are distributed a bit further apart on average.

And unlike qatar, Australia and the US can handle enough tourists so that the stadiums won't be filled with the same people over and over again.

It's better when the stadiums are closer, so the tourist can visit more possible games. Look at USA 1994 going from L.A to Chicago, or Brazil 2014 going from Porto Alegre to Manaus. Look at the distance. Closer the better.

The USA has trains and CHEAP airplanes (Southwest, JetBlue).

That's one of the draws of going to a WC, traveling around a country and visiting all the different cities.

It'll be boring to just stay in Doha the whole time.

World Cup Bid Index 1.1 (by Mo Rush)

The main movements this week sees Russia gain some ground on England, while Qatar drops down further due to logistical concerns raised. The remaining bids remain steady.

The figures included consultation with Matthew Lowry who has spoken to every FIFA member.

Out of 100

England 84
Russia 78
Australia 73
Spain-Portugal 73
USA 65
Japan 61
Belgium-Neterlands 60
Qatar 39

World Cup Bid Index 1.2

Out of 100

England 85
Russia 80
Australia 75
Spain-Portugal 74
USA 64
Japan 58
Belgium-Neterlands 57
Qatar 41

^^ England, we have a problem!

How will Qatar compensate the designated 22 poor hapless and developing countries for the non-arrival of beneficial modular phantom charitas?

So you also have the ability to look into the future? Hats off to you sir, you are a man of many talents.

Right, because we don't have planes.

Do you think anyone that had to go from LA to Chicago were really complaining? They were tourists, its what tourists do, they see different places. Thats part of what the world cup is about for most people, seeing what the host country has to offer - not hiding in their air-conditioned hotel rooms waiting for the start of the next match they have tickets to.

With the exception of Perth, Australia's bid cities are all within a relatively cheap and short plane trip of each other - but importantly, theres something different to see and do in each one. The trip isnt a waste of time - you can dive the reef in Townsville, hit the harbour and beaches in Sydney, wander through Melbourne's laneways and gardens and so on. The US would be much the same, though the cities are distributed a bit further apart on average.

And unlike qatar, Australia and the US can handle enough tourists so that the stadiums won't be filled with the same people over and over again.

Exactly! :cheers:

Sepp Blatter discusses Qatar's bid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xsDdIByh8A)

Interesting read.

^
ah, it really does raise quite a few concerns.

I almost feel he was mocking the bid...

Sepp Blatter discusses Qatar's bid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xsDdIByh8A)

Interesting read.

The truth comes out! Interesting indeed.

Sepp Blatter discusses Qatar's bid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xsDdIByh8A)

Interesting read.

That was without doubt the best appraisal of the Qatar bid so far

Yes, how dare a country have a bit of ambition? They should all be political and economic self-deluded failures like Egypt.


Right, are you seriously comparing a footballing nation like Egypt to Qatar? A nation of 80 million, Egypt is doing very well without any oil - lest you forgot - with one of the highest economic growth rates in the region. The population of Qatar could quite reasonably fit into Cairo Stadium (ok, two Cairo Stadiums). Not to mention that we actually have more than one city in Egypt and have successfully hosted several major footballing events.

Right, are you seriously comparing a footballing nation like Egypt to Qatar? A nation of 80 million, Egypt is doing very well without any oil - lest you forgot - with one of the highest economic growth rates in the region. The population of Qatar could quite reasonably fit into Cairo Stadium (ok, two Cairo Stadiums). Not to mention that we actually have more than one city in Egypt and have successfully hosted several major footballing events.

A World Cup in Egypt or Turkey would be fantastic,really would.
Proper diverse World Cup in compliance with the bidding requirements, incredible historic landmarks for tourists,true football culture etc etc etc etc

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Nice work Aus 2022!!!

Guys, you don't understand - look at USA bid - it's all same just like Qatar, they have all stadiums in a one country :ohno: :lol:

Actually I think Qatar can do very good organization. But as long as most of local audience with come from UAE, Bahrain, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and other local countries - it should have been a joined bid from all of them. 2 stadiums for each Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar and UAE and rest for Saudi Arabia, as all roads between them going via Saudi Arabia, which is important for transportation.


As for now I think Qatar should withdraw from 2022 in favor of Tatarstan 2018 to open a room for joined Middle East World Cup for somewhere 2030, after China. Jointly they will get it with no doubts. And i'm sure FIFA will make an expedition for both China and Middle East.

Right, are you seriously comparing a footballing nation like Egypt to Qatar? A nation of 80 million, Egypt is doing very well without any oil - lest you forgot - with one of the highest economic growth rates in the region. The population of Qatar could quite reasonably fit into Cairo Stadium (ok, two Cairo Stadiums). Not to mention that we actually have more than one city in Egypt and have successfully hosted several major footballing events.

Not really, I have always admired Egypt's football league and its national team and there is certainly no comparison between the two nations' footballing history. I was commenting more on the vile attitude of the original poster about Qatar's bid being, and I quote: "apocryphal, obscene, antithetical, hostile, asinine, embarrassing, contemptuous and an insult. ". I was pointing out that it is ambition that drives this bid, regardless of its shortcomings, and that it is a joke to act like the Qataris are bidding because of some sinister or ulterior motive.

So you also have the ability to look into the future? Hats off to you sir, you are a man of many talents.

One need not be clairvoyant when one lets common sense and basic logics prevail.

It maybe a bit OT but one thing that these bids ahve really brought home to me is that the WC has gotten too big. 32 teams needing at least 12 big stadiums has really limated the number of nations which can bid for an event and dramatically increased the potential for white elephant stadia. It does seem to be that its not the 60-80K stadiums which cause problems but the 40-50K stadiums, most nations just don't have the depth to justify 6-8 of them.

I'd guess its unlikely at this stage but I'd really like to see things reduced to 16-20 teams both for that reason and a sporting perspective. As you make it easier to quality you reduce the competitiveness of qualifying itself, it used to be pretty much everyone who got to the WC had needed to show good form beforehand but these days many north america and asian teams get a spot pretty much by default. More smaller teams at the WC also means more mismatches and the resulting boring defencive football we saw in the summer.

Personally I'd like to see a format similar to that in the 1970's, 16 teams in 4 grouops of 4(or 20 in 4 groups of 5), top 2 in each group go into second group stage with the same format, top 2 qualify for semi's etc. That would give you a slightly longer WC with a max of 8-9 games rather than the current 7 but fewer games would be happening per day needing fewer stadiums. You'd also get far more games between the big sides and so more potential for great matches happening.

Can I just point out to you that in the last 3 days Japan beat Argentina and Australia absolutely outplayed Paraguay in their win

Some people think qualifying in Asia is easy,despite flights up to 30 hours and a million matches..The World Cup is exactly that-the WORLD CUP

Can I just point out to you that in the last 3 days Japan beat Argentina and Australia absolutely outplayed Paraguay in their win

Some people think qualifying in Asia is easy,despite flights up to 30 hours and a million matches..The World Cup is exactly that-the WORLD CUP

Sorry but it is easy compaired to europe or south america, the big teams are certainable capable of beating anyone on their day but there are way too many spots on offer. The whole of Concacaf is I'd say about as strong as a typical european group yet instead of 1 1/2 spots being on offer there are 3 1/2.

In say a 20 teams WC I could see....

8 European
4 South American
3 African
2 North America
2 Asian
1 Host

World Cup Bid Index 1.2

Out of 100

England 85
Russia 80
Australia 75
Spain-Portugal 74
USA 64
Japan 58
Belgium-Neterlands 57
Qatar 41

Why is the USA so far down the list?

Why is the USA so far down the list?
Had it recently. Too recently.

Why is the USA so far down the list?

The index takes 2018 and 2022 into account. Remove European Countries and its Oz and USA

The index takes 2018 and 2022 into account. Remove European Countries and its Oz and USA

I guess that makes sense. FIFA's unlikely to go outside of Europe (USA) for 2018.

Sorry but it is easy compaired to europe or south america, the big teams are certainable capable of beating anyone on their day but there are way too many spots on offer. The whole of Concacaf is I'd say about as strong as a typical european group yet instead of 1 1/2 spots being on offer there are 3 1/2.

In say a 20 teams WC I could see....

8 European
4 South American
3 African
2 North America
2 Asian
1 Host

So despite me telling you that 2 AFC teams beat 2 CONMEBOL teams you then take 60% of our places away.
It ain't gonna happen Sunshine because Asia will be the most important emerging market to FIFA over the next 50 years with 2 thirds of the Worlds population.

Time to move on,I've already wasted too much oxygen on this 1960's idea

It maybe a bit OT but one thing that these bids ahve really brought home to me is that the WC has gotten too big. 32 teams needing at least 12 big stadiums has really limated the number of nations which can bid for an event and dramatically increased the potential for white elephant stadia. It does seem to be that its not the 60-80K stadiums which cause problems but the 40-50K stadiums, most nations just don't have the depth to justify 6-8 of them.

I'd guess its unlikely at this stage but I'd really like to see things reduced to 16-20 teams both for that reason and a sporting perspective. As you make it easier to quality you reduce the competitiveness of qualifying itself, it used to be pretty much everyone who got to the WC had needed to show good form beforehand but these days many north america and asian teams get a spot pretty much by default. More smaller teams at the WC also means more mismatches and the resulting boring defencive football we saw in the summer.

Personally I'd like to see a format similar to that in the 1970's, 16 teams in 4 grouops of 4(or 20 in 4 groups of 5), top 2 in each group go into second group stage with the same format, top 2 qualify for semi's etc. That would give you a slightly longer WC with a max of 8-9 games rather than the current 7 but fewer games would be happening per day needing fewer stadiums. You'd also get far more games between the big sides and so more potential for great matches happening.

Shrinking the world cup is never going to happen. The television rights are FIFA's gravy train and they will never do anything to jeopardize that.

As for the number of stadiums I think you have a good point. The facility requirements are excessive particularly for bidders in the northern hemisphere who would be hosting in the summer when pitches are pristine and can handle far more traffic. They can realisitically hold a 32 team tournament with 5 or 6 venues.

I think the 10 stadiums is so it's spread around the country.

The index takes 2018 and 2022 into account. Remove European Countries and its Oz and USA

So that brings up the question of which they would choose for 2022. If they went with Australia then they'd have to wait at least 12 years before China would get around to getting it. And Asia had it more recently than the US did. I really would be fine with the US getting it again.

So that brings up the question of which they would choose for 2022. If they went with Australia then they'd have to wait at least 12 years before China would get around to getting it. And Asia had it more recently than the US did. I really would be fine with the US getting it again.

The Index attempts to answer that question. Remove the European countries and you have a 2022 index.

So that brings up the question of which they would choose for 2022. If they went with Australia then they'd have to wait at least 12 years before China would get around to getting it. And Asia had it more recently than the US did. I really would be fine with the US getting it again.

Asia and the USA aren't equivilent!

Asia and the USA aren't equivilent!

Exactly mate.
Asia has only had it once,the Pacific and Oceania-never

The USA will be awarded 2026 uncontested if they fail in this campaign-an amazing unprecedented luxury for any nation(notwithstanding 1982)

The USA will be awarded 2026 uncontested if they fail in this campaign-an amazing unprecedented luxury for any nation(notwithstanding 1982)

I'm sure Aussie will hammer this point home during the final presentations in November. We'll see it if works...:D

Can I just point out to you that in the last 3 days Japan beat Argentina and Australia absolutely outplayed Paraguay in their win

Some people think qualifying in Asia is easy,despite flights up to 30 hours and a million matches..The World Cup is exactly that-the WORLD CUP

Come on guys!, those were frendly matches. History dictates the power of each confederation.

Number of FIFA World Cups gained:

Europe 10
South America 9
Rest of the world 0

FIFA World Ranking (Top 10):

Europe 5
South America 4
Africa 1
Rest of the world 0

The AFC has 46 countries and only three are competitive, the rest are very weak.

World Cup Bid Index 1.2

Out of 100

England 85
Russia 80
Australia 75
Spain-Portugal 74
USA 64
Japan 58
Belgium-Neterlands 57
Qatar 41

the power index all months ago


http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/2443/powerindex.jpg

http://www.worldfootballinsider.com/Story.aspx?id=33321

the last power index in 29 september

http://i51.tinypic.com/24ong38.jpg

http://www.worldfootballinsider.com/Story.aspx?id=33759

even after fifa report in september Qatar has 65 points while USA 66 and Australia only 60

we are waiting october power index after Qatar show Lusail Stadium

Sorry, but no one gets credit for beating Paraguay in a friendly. They are notoriously the WORST team in the world when it comes to playing friendlies. But again, I have no idea what friendly matches have to do with bidding for a World Cup. That's just me, though.

Sorry, but no one gets credit for beating Paraguay in a friendly. They are notoriously the WORST team in the world when it comes to playing friendlies. But again, I have no idea what friendly matches have to do with bidding for a World Cup. That's just me, though.

Mate,it was just a quick point in response to a bloke with a 1950's idea to cut the WC in half.It ain't happening.If you agree that CONCACAF should have just 2 spots then go ahead and support him:lol:

Asia needs to be cut down to 4 spots.

No way Bahrain deserves a spot...

Give that extra .5 to South America wish had all 5 of its teams make it to the 2nd round in South Africa.

Have CONCACAF have a playoff against New Zealand.

why don't we just go back to playing it just between Europe and South America and make everyone happy?

the power index all months ago


http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/2443/powerindex.jpg

http://www.worldfootballinsider.com/Story.aspx?id=33321

the last power index in 29 september

http://i51.tinypic.com/24ong38.jpg

http://www.worldfootballinsider.com/Story.aspx?id=33759

even after fifa report in september Qatar has 65 points while USA 66 and Australia only 60

we are waiting october power index after Qatar show Lusail Stadium

Phwoooaaaarrr! Look at Qatar's bid power index!! They're a shoe-in to win 2022 now. :cheers:

Asia needs to be cut down to 4 spots.

No way Bahrain deserves a spot...

Give that extra .5 to South America wish had all 5 of its teams make it to the 2nd round in South Africa.

Have CONCACAF have a playoff against New Zealand.

Probably be better off giving CONCACAF's .5 spot to COMNEBOL and take another full spot off them as well & give it to UEFA, 3.5 is way too many. 2 spots sounds more reasonable.

The Power Index lost all credibility in the 2016 race. Its a random number generator.

Oh well, as long as it makes our Qatari mates feel all warm & fuzzy inside, what's the harm? :cheers:

Phwoooaaaarrr! Look at Qatar's bid power index!! They're a shoe-in to win 2022 now. :cheers:



:cheers:Qatr nine votes alreddy confrmed!!1!:lol::):colgate::kiss::jippo:

You blind but qatr and fifa kno truth :lol:

:cheers:Qatr nine votes alreddy confrmed!!1!:lol::):colgate::kiss::jippo:

You blind but qatr and fifa kno truth :lol:

Blatter ran to Qatar on his knees, they're guaranteed his vote. :banana:

man, i know this is this wine talking.......but Dec 3 will be bloody ugly here for a few people is "Expect Amazing" takes the day :lol:

So despite me telling you that 2 AFC teams beat 2 CONMEBOL teams you then take 60% of our places away.
It ain't gonna happen Sunshine because Asia will be the most important emerging market to FIFA over the next 50 years with 2 thirds of the Worlds population.

Time to move on,I've already wasted too much oxygen on this 1960's idea

CONMEBOL wouldnt be "taking away" anything under the system I purposed, every fed would naturally have fewer spots in a smaller world cup.

If you believe Asia deserves more spots than South American due to some friendly results dispite the latters vastly superior record in the WC going back decades then your deluding yourself.

Shrinking the world cup is never going to happen. The television rights are FIFA's gravy train and they will never do anything to jeopardize that.

As for the number of stadiums I think you have a good point. The facility requirements are excessive particularly for bidders in the northern hemisphere who would be hosting in the summer when pitches are pristine and can handle far more traffic. They can realisitically hold a 32 team tournament with 5 or 6 venues.

I agree its never going to happen although I'd guess the reason is more that Blatter needs the support of the African, Asian and espeically North American feds who've gotten most of the extra spots to stay in power.

Money wise I think a WC similar to the one I suggested could actually make more, fewer games but does anyone really watch 3 games a day? you'd have alot more games between big teams in larger stadia.

The WC is IMHO trading on its previous rep and if it continues to provide the sub standard football we've seen recently I don't think thats going to last forever. Compair that to the 16 team european championship which has produced far superior football exactly because the big sides have met more often.

So despite me telling you that 2 AFC teams beat 2 CONMEBOL teams you then take 60% of our places away.
It ain't gonna happen Sunshine because Asia will be the most important emerging market to FIFA over the next 50 years with 2 thirds of the Worlds population.

Time to move on,I've already wasted too much oxygen on this 1960's idea

If you want to talk about friendy matches...

Last week:

Indonesia 1 - Uruguay 7
Brazil 3 - Iran 0
United Arab Emirates 0 - Chile 2

Today:

China 0 - Uruguay 4
Oman 0 - Chile 1

Probably be better off giving CONCACAF's .5 spot to COMNEBOL and take another full spot off them as well & give it to UEFA, 3.5 is way too many. 2 spots sounds more reasonable.

Since the expansion of the world cup to 32 teams the three worst showings have all been by teams from one confederation...... Asia! The only confederation that has sent teams to the world cup that were disgracefully uncompetitive.

2002: China 0 pts, -9 GD
2002: Saudi Arabia 0 pts, -12 GD
2010: North Korea: 0 pts, -11 GD

They've also lost three consecutive intercontinental qualification play-offs.

If you want to talk about friendy matches...

Last week:

Indonesia 1 - Uruguay 7
Brazil 3 - Iran 0
United Arab Emirates 0 - Chile 2

Today:

China 0 - Uruguay 4
Oman 0 - Chile 1

That doesn't seem like a very fair comparison. South America has 10 members in it's association and Uruguay, Chile and Brazil were in the top 4 teams during qualification for the world cup and they went onto do really well, whereas Asia has 46 teams and China, Indonesia, UAE and Oman were all no where near even qualifying for the world cup. If you want to do comparisons, I guess you'd have to use the nations that actually qualified such as Australia, Japan, South Korea and perhaps North Korea. As far as those results go in recent times, all I know is.

Japan 1 Argentina 0
Australia 1 Paraguay 0

Football in Asia is well and truly coming up and to assist that development the world cup in 2022 should be held in the Asian Confederation (as long as Europe wins the 2018 bid of course :)).

Since the expansion of the world cup to 32 teams the three worst showings have all been by teams from one confederation...... Asia! The only confederation that has sent teams to the world cup that were disgracefully uncompetitive.

2002: China 0 pts, -9 GD
2002: Saudi Arabia 0 pts, -12 GD
2010: North Korea: 0 pts, -11 GD

They've also lost three consecutive intercontinental qualification play-offs.

I think North Korea is a very harsh inclusion on that list they got like 9 of those goals scored against them in one game or more accurately in the 2nd half of that game vs Portugal. Obviously something happened to them, otherwise they played good football throughout and done really well against the likes of Brazil.

As for the recent worst performance ever by any confederation at a world cup well I think CONCACAF covered that well and truly in 2006.

World Cup 2006
Costa Rica 0 points
Trinidad and Tobago 1 point
United States 1 point

Now that's not just one team being bad, that's the whole confederation being pathetic. I thought even this time the USA were extremely fortunate to end up with 5 points, thanks to fluke goals at the death, otherwise it would've been almost a similar performance for CONCACAF this time.

Enough of the pissing contest between North America and Asia. The fact is that they are about equal, and should have the same number of World Cup berths and they probably will after the FIFA meeting.

As for the recent worst performance ever by any confederation at a world cup well I think CONCACAF covered that well and truly in 2006.

World Cup 2006
Costa Rica 0 points
Trinidad and Tobago 1 point
United States 1 point

Now that's not just one team being bad, that's the whole confederation being pathetic. I thought even this time the USA were extremely fortunate to end up with 5 points, thanks to fluke goals at the death, otherwise it would've been almost a similar performance for CONCACAF this time.

Yeah, the USA were really "fortunate" when the referee disallowed a clearly valid winner against Slovenia. They had another first half goal wrongly disallowed in the first half against Algeria.

As for 2006, all but one asian team finished last in their group and none made the round of 16. You conveniently excluded Mexico who made it out of their group that year. Even Trinidad defeated Asia's 5th place team just to get into the tournament.

Getting such good vibes from the Russian bid. Nice bid videos. Massive government backing. Catching up every day. Great renders!

Yeah, the USA were really "fortunate" when the referee disallowed a clearly valid winner against Slovenia. They had another first half goal wrongly disallowed in the first half against Algeria.

As for 2006, all but one asian team finished last in their group and none made the round of 16. You conveniently excluded Mexico who made it out of their group that year. Even Trinidad defeated Asia's 5th place team just to get into the tournament.

Obviously last minute injury time flukes don't count as fortunate, neither does literally own goals by opposition goalkeepers. USA in no way should have made it out of the group. In 2006, Australia weren't part of Asia however they are now and they did make the round of 16 and only just lost to eventual champions Italy. In the 2002 world cup South Korea made it to the final four. As for defeating Asia's 5th place team, Oceania even achieved that when New Zealand beat Bahrain again to qualify and now word is New Zealand will also join Asia, just as Australia did and they went through undefeated in the world cup, which will further strengthen the Asian Confederation.

Getting such good vibes from the Russian bid. Nice bid videos. Massive government backing. Catching up every day. Great renders!

England had good vibes for the 2006 world cup but then various factors conspired to sink the ship. I can't help but feel that somewhat similar factors may sink the Russian armada this time around.

Since the expansion of the world cup to 32 teams the three worst showings have all been by teams from one confederation...... Asia! The only confederation that has sent teams to the world cup that were disgracefully uncompetitive.

2002: China 0 pts, -9 GD
2002: Saudi Arabia 0 pts, -12 GD
2010: North Korea: 0 pts, -11 GD

They've also lost three consecutive intercontinental qualification play-offs.
So what are you all so worried about? The .5 spot has effectively gone to another confederation if that's the case.

Time to cut back CONCACAF's spots, the only teams that are half decent are the yanks & Mexico. :cheers:

P.S. Why are we talking about this subject here? What does it have to do with the 2018/2022 bids.

Time to cut back CONCACAF's spots, the only teams that are half decent are the yanks & Mexico. :cheers:

If USA and Mexico are considered "half decent", then Asia must be abysmal. Who would they put up against USA and Mexico? South Korea, Japan, Australia? Give me a break.

Obviously this argument could go on and on but its not relevant to discuss cutting back the WC competition from 32 teams to 20 as its got zero to do with this thread.
I thought I killed it a few pages ago but knucklehead wants to keep discussing it.Take your 1950's hair brain idea to another forum mate

End rant

So what are you all so worried about? The .5 spot has effectively gone to another confederation if that's the case.

Time to cut back CONCACAF's spots, the only teams that are half decent are the yanks & Mexico. :cheers:

P.S. Why are we talking about this subject here? What does it have to do with the 2018/2022 bids.

As opposed to Asia that has zero decent teams...

Mexico and the USA have beaten decent teams in meaningful tournaments, not in friendly games played at home 10,000 miles away from the other country.

As opposed to Asia that has zero decent teams...

Mexico and the USA have beaten decent teams in meaningful tournaments, not in friendly games played at home 10,000 miles away from the other country.

South Korea is pretty good

That doesn't seem like a very fair comparison. South America has 10 members in it's association and Uruguay, Chile and Brazil were in the top 4 teams during qualification for the world cup and they went onto do really well, whereas Asia has 46 teams and China, Indonesia, UAE and Oman were all no where near even qualifying for the world cup. If you want to do comparisons, I guess you'd have to use the nations that actually qualified such as Australia, Japan, South Korea and perhaps North Korea. As far as those results go in recent times, all I know is.

Japan 1 Argentina 0
Australia 1 Paraguay 0

Football in Asia is well and truly coming up and to assist that development the world cup in 2022 should be held in the Asian Confederation (as long as Europe wins the 2018 bid of course :)).

So it's like I said, ASIA HAS ONLY THREE COMPETITIVE TEAMS, WHILE SOUTH AMERICA HAS EIGHT!. Who wins?.

MOVE ON ALREADY

I think North Korea is a very harsh inclusion on that list they got like 9 of those goals scored against them in one game or more accurately in the 2nd half of that game vs Portugal. Obviously something happened to them, otherwise they played good football throughout and done really well against the likes of Brazil.

As for the recent worst performance ever by any confederation at a world cup well I think CONCACAF covered that well and truly in 2006.

World Cup 2006
Costa Rica 0 points
Trinidad and Tobago 1 point
United States 1 point

Now that's not just one team being bad, that's the whole confederation being pathetic. I thought even this time the USA were extremely fortunate to end up with 5 points, thanks to fluke goals at the death, otherwise it would've been almost a similar performance for CONCACAF this time.

We are talking about Conmebol!. Concacaf is weaker than Conmebol!.

MOVE ON ALREADY

You have a lot of envy of us my friend, A LOT!. When you win a world cup we can talk seriously.

FYI CONMEBOL'S PENIS IS BIGGER THAN CONCACAF'S!

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If USA and Mexico are considered "half decent", then Asia must be abysmal. Who would they put up against USA and Mexico? South Korea, Japan, Australia? Give me a break.

As opposed to Asia that has zero decent teams...

Mexico and the USA have beaten decent teams in meaningful tournaments, not in friendly games played at home 10,000 miles away from the other country.
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Whatever bro. Not interested in a debate. We know we're better. G'day. :wave:

Anyway, so how bout those bids everyone?

Whatever bro. Not interested in a debate. We know we're better. G'day. :wave:



Bitch, please.

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Whatever bro. Not interested in a debate. We know we're better. G'day. :wave:

Anyway, so how bout those bids everyone?

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Obviously this argument could go on and on but its not relevant to discuss cutting back the WC competition from 32 teams to 20 as its got zero to do with this thread.
I thought I killed it a few pages ago but knucklehead wants to keep discussing it.Take your 1950's hair brain idea to another forum mate

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There are legit arguements to be made agenst that idea and as I said I doubt it will happen but you certainly didnt provide any of them. You just started ranting and raving about South American "taking away" spots(which started this whole debate) when in reality my suggestion did nothing of the sort since they would lose places aswell then tried to justify it with a couple of friendly results.

There really can be no debate for me as reguards world cup spots, CONCACAF clearly have far too many and the crimal Jack Warner being Blatters croney is likely one of the reasons, two decent nations with 3 1/2 spots is just a joke. The AFC isnt as bad as you have 3 decent nations with 4 spots but its still at least 1 more than you should have.

When you see a european team on the same kind of level as Japan, the US, Mexico, Australia at the world cup(say Croatia, Denmark, Sweden etc) that side is more likely going to have to have out performed either a massive nation or at the very least 1-2 of a similar standard to qualify.

In CONCACAF or the AFC though those teams only need to out perform minnows and indeed one of the minnows gets a garneteed WC spot by out performing other minnows.

I thought Australia beat Uruguay to qualify for the world cup in 2006. Are you calling Uruguay a minnow?

There are legit arguements to be made agenst that idea and as I said I doubt it will happen but you certainly didnt provide any of them. You just started ranting and raving about South American "taking away" spots(which started this whole debate) when in reality my suggestion did nothing of the sort since they would lose places aswell then tried to justify it with a couple of friendly results.

There really can be no debate for me as reguards world cup spots, CONCACAF clearly have far too many and the crimal Jack Warner being Blatters croney is likely one of the reasons, two decent nations with 3 1/2 spots is just a joke. The AFC isnt as bad as you have 3 decent nations with 4 spots but its still at least 1 more than you should have.

When you see a european team on the same kind of level as Japan, the US, Mexico, Australia at the world cup(say Croatia, Denmark, Sweden etc) that side is more likely going to have to have out performed either a massive nation or at the very least 1-2 of a similar standard to qualify.

In CONCACAF or the AFC though those teams only need to out perform minnows and indeed one of the minnows gets a garneteed WC spot by out performing other minnows.
It's called the World Cup for a reason. Not Europe/South America plus a couple of other teams cup. It's fine how it is. Maybe shift the .5 spots from AFC & CONCACAF to other confederations.

You have a lot of envy of us my friend, A LOT!. When you win a world cup we can talk seriously.

true South America is much better and Asia need long years to win it is first world cup.

here top 5 Asian teams as wining the cups

1 Saudi Arabia - 3 AFC Cup - 4 Qualify to WorldCup
2 Japan - 3 AFC Cup - 4 Qualify to WorldCup
3 Iran - 3 AFC Cup - 3 Qualify to WorldCup
4 S. Korea - 2 AFC CUP - 8 Qualify to WorldCup (too many Qualifies but only 2 old AFC cups)
5 Iraq - 1 AFC Cup - 1 Qualify to Worldcup

true South America is much better and Asia need long years to win it is first world cup.

here top 5 Asian teams as wining the cups

1 Saudi Arabia - 3 AFC Cup - 4 Qualify to WorldCup
2 Japan - 3 AFC Cup - 4 Qualify to WorldCup
3 Iran - 3 AFC Cup - 3 Qualify to WorldCup
4 S. Korea - 2 AFC CUP - 8 Qualify to WorldCup (too many Qualifies but only 2 old AFC cups)
5 Iraq - 1 AFC Cup - 1 Qualify to Worldcup

No Qatar? :(

Here I was thinking FIFA already done the work of evaluating who the top teams were in the Confederation.

Australia ranked No 24
Japan ranked No 30
South Korea ranked No 44

I can't be bothered looking at the next page but they include others such as Doha ranked at 104.

No Qatar? :(

sure Qatar maybe we never win any cups only Asia Golden Medal

sure Qatar maybe we never win any cups only Asia Golden Medal

Sounds important. :D