'Its AlL gUUd' is the KING of England/London fanboys, you just have to accept it!! He doesn't realise there is a big world outside of England (he was off school the day they taught Geography as he had a bad cold), so it is not really his fault! I have been trying to educate him, but it is proving difficult!

If Wembley consisted of Godzilla doing a big steaming turd, and the insides being scooped out to form a giant jobby stadium, then 'Its AlL gUUd' would still claim it was the 'best stadium in the world'!!! He would also claim Godzilla is in fact English and England is the home of mythical giant lizards!!

Bubomb, before u start writing ur b*llsh*it if u actually read the bleeding thread u would realise that he was referring to english people in general and i happen to be the one asking him to clarify his position which he tried to do.

and i never big anything up if it is not good enough so i really don't know what made u want to post up this crap that came out of ur ass.

Yes, of course. You always talk as if you were the best country in the world, wich has all the best things, skyscrapers, sports venues, stadiums...and slate everything is outside of England or the UK. You boast about your wonderful stadiums and talk about the "Best Stadium in the World" as you call Wembley, a U/C ground that will be a Non-used Wonder, I mean only few games of the national team and few concerts, what's that, a waste of money for instance? Also you say in Italy are fascists and in Spain racists, but first you have to look to your Great Country and prevent the fucking hooligan jam. That's because I quoted, 'cause your patriotism hurts me.

when ur saying 'YOU' Thats not me ur talking about there are you? i would doubt that as i give credit where its due, i never said things about facists and racists, i think that was someone else.

about the hooligan thing, i thing hooliganism is far worse in countries such as Italy, Turkey, Poland and South America

Hahahaha. You need to lift your ass from that chair and travel around, chicken little.
I've been to countries on every continent (except Africa), so....what was your point again?? You could spend your whole life in a concrete dungeon with only a t.v and you'd still be able to relate to what I said in my earlier comment.

What exactly do you find wrong with my comment mate?? Oh, it said Spain wasn't the best at something...oh dear, that was rather bad of me wasn't it...

Lets take a look at what I said:

"Spain is deffinitely not foremost capable of hosting an event of this calibre!"
-true, and even you must acknowledge this. I'm not saying Spain couldn't host the WC, it most certainly can, but it is not FOREMOST capable when compared to countries like England. You only have to take a look at the poll to see who most people think is foremost capable of holding the WC in 2018.

"England, despite it's very unpredictable climate and weather conditions, is far more suited to holding sporting events then Spain, for lots of deifferent reasons, such as bigger budgets"
-Yes

"better organisation"
Deffinitely yes

"more support"
Well, this one might be close, I'm sure most of Spain would give their support for a WC so, who knows...

"higher number of higher quality stadiums"
yes, especially when these new stadiums are built, and there are plenty of plans for new and upgraded stadiums that will be implemented before 2018.

"and a severe lack of racist football supporters when compared to Spain"
When compared to Spain, YES. I'm not saying England doesn't have it's racists, but thanks to large campaigns, government help, lots of effort, and a good atmosphere in England, racism in English football has basically been wiped out, unlike in Spain, where I'm sad to say, it is still quite rampant.

So, what was it you objected to again....??

:cheers:

^^What happen with hooliganism?
Also Spain has a lot of projects for new stadia.

"high number of high quality stadiums": Well, if you're talking about the new ones...But England haven't the superb legend stadiums :D

is soccer more popular in melbourne or sydney?

In my opinion it would be a mistake to hold a WC in Australia. For one thing, it's in the southern hemisphere which is too far off the beaten track. When 90% of the worlds population lives in the northern hemisphere, why have an event of this much interest down there? Secondly, as we saw in the Sydney Olympics, the time zones are prohibitive for the majority of Television viewers. Again, when the most fervent football viewers are in Europe and north/south America, why have the event televised from a location which is anywhere from 6-13 time zones different?! Doesn't make sense to me.

Most TV viewers in America heard the Sydney Olympic results on the internet before they viewed them on TV. I rest my case.

Australia has 3 different time zones, so it would not be a that much of a problem so supposedly 90% of the world. BTW time zones are longitudinal based. So East Asia/Australia have the same time zone. WC in Japan/Korea would be the same time zone as it were in Australia. You are forgetting that FIFA likes to spread the game to Asia, over 50% of the world population, so another WC in the region would likely go to Australia, but not until 2018 I feel, at least.

Brasil has to build & remodel stadiums and its infrastructure if they want to do it, and There is a lot of work to do.
Argentina has the 25% of this population living in buenos aires and the best stadiums are in Buenos Aires, all has to be remodel or improveed to be a world cup host, and a new stadium could be good, in the rest of the country, there is some big stadiums, but also the have to be remodel... a lot... this could cost an incredible amount of money, so I don´t know if Argentina is graet chance.

Argentina and chile??? :jippo:

Mexico, already host the 70 and 86 world cup

Chile alone? they just doesn´t have enouthg stadium and the rest are to little

To mi Australia is the best option, if it´s consider as an option, to the 2014 world cup

but I don´t want to wake up at 2am, to see the matchs again ¬¬

Australia has 3 different time zones.

It sometimes has more than that! In the middle of summer:

WA: UTC+8
NT: UTC+9.5
QLD: UTC+10
SA: UTC+10.5
ACT/NSW/TAS/VIC: UTC+11

Great fun when you're travelling interstate! :)

You are forgetting that FIFA likes to spread the game to Asia, over 50% of the world population, so another WC in the region would likely go to Australia, but not until 2018 I feel, at least.
2018 is going to England I'm afraid mate, Australia will just have to wait its turn ;)

:cheers:

Brasil has to build & remodel stadiums and its infrastructure if they want to do it, and There is a lot of work to do.
Argentina has the 25% of this population living in buenos aires and the best stadiums are in Buenos Aires, all has to be remodel or improveed to be a world cup host, and a new stadium could be good, in the rest of the country, there is some big stadiums, but also the have to be remodel... a lot... this could cost an incredible amount of money, so I don´t know if Argentina is graet chance.

Argentina and chile??? :jippo:

Mexico, already host the 70 and 86 world cup

Chile alone? they just doesn´t have enouthg stadium and the rest are to little

To mi Australia is the best option, if it´s consider as an option, to the 2014 world cup

but I don´t want to wake up at 2am, to see the matchs again ¬¬

One option I'm suprpized hasnt been mentioned is a Brazil/Argentina co host although I spose you'd have to play second fiddle somewhat by letting them have the final. Still the memory of a WC is largely defined by what happen on the pitch, I'd guess people remember 2002 more for S.Korea than Japan for example. For both nations to come up with 5-6 new/revamped stadiums doesnt seem nearly as much of a problem and I doubt the other south american teams would mind losing a qualifing spot if they didnt have to get past either of you.

Imagine a world cup staged in the Iberian Peninsula, in 2018 there will be a new airport in Lisbon, Barajas Airport expansion in Madrid will be also completed as is Porto's Airport. The TGV train linking the two countries will also be completed.

I think the host cities and stadiums should be:

Luz Stadium - Lisbon - Opening cerimonies and opening game - 65 000
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/portugal/lisbon_luz2.jpg

Alvalade Stadium - Lisbon - 3rd and 4th place game - 50 000
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/portugal/lisbon_alvalade1.jpg

Dragon Stadium - Porto - Semi-final - 50 000
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/portugal/porto_dragao1.jpg

Braga's Municipal Stadium - Braga - 40 000 (Temporary)
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/portugal/braga_municipal1.jpg

Cidade de Coimbra Stadium - Coimbra - 40 000 (Temporary)
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/portugal/coimbra_municipal2.jpg

Algarve's Stadium - Faro/Olhão - 40 000 (Temporary)
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/portugal/faro_algarve1.jpg

Santiago Bernabeu - Madrid - 80 000 - Final


Nou Camp - Barcelona - 98 000 - Semi-Final
[IMG]http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/spain/catalonia/barcelona_camp_nou1.jpg

New Valencia's Stadium - Valencia - 72 000

Nueva Romareda - Zaragoza - 42 500
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_menu/past_future/pictures/future_stadiums/zaragoza_romareda2.jpg

La Cartuja Stadium - Sevilla - 57 000
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/spain/andalusia/sevilla_la_cartuja1.jpg

Gipuzkoarena - San Sebastian - 42 000
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_menu/past_future/pictures/future_stadiums/san_sebastian_gipuzko2.jpg

A World Cup in my country with the final being held in Madrid? No, thank you. In 1999 we asked Spain if they wanted to make a joint bid for the Euro 2004. They refused because they thought they would win it easily by themselves. You know what happened...

Yeah, but a world cup is something somewhat different from a Euro

AKA, SEGURO QUE NO FUE ASÍ..LO RARO ES QUE UN PAIS COMO EL TUYO LLEGUE AORGANIZAR ALGO MÁS ALLÁ DE UN CAMPEONATO DE MUS.., EN FIN, ESTOS PORTUGUESES....

Yeah, but a world cup is something somewhat different from a Euro

Yeah? Why?

AKA, SEGURO QUE NO FUE ASÍ..LO RARO ES QUE UN PAIS COMO EL TUYO LLEGUE AORGANIZAR ALGO MÁS ALLÁ DE UN CAMPEONATO DE MUS.., EN FIN, ESTOS PORTUGUESES....

Yes, it was.

If that's so, why were you unable to beat us?

I'd guess that hosting 2018 will likely be a showdown between the English/UK and the Spainish/Iberians. With the number of stadiums being built in Spain right now though I'd question if they would need those in Portugal considering a joint would likely be a handicap. A UK bid would IMHO be more likely as there would be political forces pushing for the cash to be spread around the entire country.

Bernbau is 80,354
how do you want to expand to 90,000?
and why is th final in Bernabeu?
Nou Camp is bigger

BTW
Olímpico (La Cartuja) is 57,619

AKA, SEGURO QUE NO FUE ASÍ..LO RARO ES QUE UN PAIS COMO EL TUYO LLEGUE AORGANIZAR ALGO MÁS ALLÁ DE UN CAMPEONATO DE MUS.., EN FIN, ESTOS PORTUGUESES....

España no necesita a Portugal para organizar la copa del mundo.

Yes, it was.

If that's so, why were you unable to beat us?

Politics, everybody knows it was politics... Portugal did a magniffecent job, but no way the bid was better then the Spanish one.
I liked that it went to Portugal don't get me wrong but Spain has more to offer and more potencial then Portugal for sure. A combined WC would be a very good idea. Only I think that there should be only three stadiums in Portugal and you can fill in which ones. :cheers:

^^^ :laugh: :laugh:

Spain wouln't win the bid.

Portugal probably would.

I can explain you my reasons

btw, we also don't need Spain to organise a WOrld Cup .

organize a world cup together its a revolutionary ideia and I support one think like that in the Peninsula but unfortunly Spain and Portugal dont have the same open mentality as Denmark, Norway or Sweden to organize something together us you can see in this coments :(

Spain alone can celebrate a World Cup without problems, like in 1982!!

And here, we have too much interesting and prepared cities to celebrate it: Madrid, Sevilla, Barcelona, Valencia, Alicante, Bilbao, Palma de Mallorca, Salamanca... for to go with Portugal too!!

A World Cup in my country with the final being held in Madrid? No, thank you. In 1999 we asked Spain if they wanted to make a joint bid for the Euro 2004. They refused because they thought they would win it easily by themselves. You know what happened...

Aka your poor comments just remind us a certain Pedrowhatever and reflect how narrow minded you are...

I personally think that Portugal did a great job in the Euro 2004 and I was very happy for the excellent organisation and image that your country gave to the rest of the world. Although I think, it would be an excellent idea to organise some kind of Iberian event on which we could even include Andorra (yes, why not!) I still think that Spain alone could easily organise a world cup as well as Portugal being your country big enough for that.

Don’t be blind, Portugal and Spain have much more things in common than what differentiates them…

:cheers:

guys guys relax! Spain and Portugal can organise a fantastic world cup with the most beuatifull stadiums a worldcup has ever seen! go for it!
Opening in Portugal, Final in Spain, easy like that.

Andorra? there is not a proper stadium there, only money.

guys guys relax! Spain and Portugal can organise a fantastic world cup with the most beuatifull stadiums a worldcup has ever seen! go for it!
Opening in Portugal, Final in Spain, easy like that.

I agree :yes:

Andorra? there is not a proper stadium there, only money.


I said "Iberian event" that doesn't necessarily mean a world cup... ;)

yeah right! I thought we were talking about an Iberian WC smartass!

I cannot see FIFA giving the Cup to two countries of that size. Why would they need to bid together? England is most probably the most likely country in Europe to get it next time anyway.

If there is a UEFA rotation policy, then you will know full well that it will be England's turn next time the tournament returns to europe.

No thank-you, Portugal can do it on its own IF WE DECIDE TO.

Aka your poor comments just remind us a certain Pedrowhatever and reflect how narrow minded you are...

I personally think that Portugal did a great job in the Euro 2004 and I was very happy for the excellent organisation and image that your country gave to the rest of the world. Although I think, it would be an excellent idea to organise some kind of Iberian event on which we could even include Andorra (yes, why not!) I still think that Spain alone could easily organise a world cup as well as Portugal being your country big enough for that.

Don’t be blind, Portugal and Spain have much more things in common than what differentiates them…

:cheers:

My poor comments remind me that Spain and Portugal can do it alone. So why should I have a World Cup in my country with the most important match being held in another one? Worst, around the World they would say "The World Cup in Spain"... and, to be honest, I dislike that; it happened in Euro 2000 with Belgium.
I don't know why doing a World Cup is that different from doing an Euro. Stadiums could be redeveloped to have 40.000 and we could even make 2 new ones in Madeira and Azores. But hey, if South Africa will have 10 and we already have 10... I can't see the big difference...

I really have nothing against Spain, I just mencioned what happened in 1999 to show how we can make it by ourselves without Spain. Gosh, why would Spain need us if they have a lot of venues? Why would we need them if we have them too?

The only problem would be our bid to win. Why? FIFA is a lot more "political" than UEFA, and other countries would have more power to win if Portugal won't get strong allies. Probably if Madrid goes for the Olympics and we support them... :D

Hmmm, interesting discussion, an Iberian World Cup would face serious (SERIOUS) difficulties, political disputes, country disputes, fan disputes, FIFA disputes etc etc etc....I think most Portugese and most Spainish would argue that they could host a WC all on their own without the need of a co-host, and I bet neitehr would back down or co-operate in this kind of situation so.....not likely.

Besides, this thread is pointless, 2018 is going to England! :)

:cheers:

Besides, this thread is pointless, 2018 is going to England! :)

:cheers:

C'mon, you had the Euro 96, you'll have the Olympics in 2012... Let us have something, pleeeeeeeeease!

My poor comments remind me that Spain and Portugal can do it alone. So why should I have a World Cup in my country with the most important match being held in another one? Worst, around the World they would say "The World Cup in Spain"... and, to be honest, I dislike that; it happened in Euro 2000 with Belgium.
I don't know why doing a World Cup is that different from doing an Euro. Stadiums could be redeveloped to have 40.000 and we could even make 2 new ones in Madeira and Azores. But hey, if South Africa will have 10 and we already have 10... I can't see the big difference...

I really have nothing against Spain, I just mencioned what happened in 1999 to show how we can make it by ourselves without Spain. Gosh, why would Spain need us if they have a lot of venues? Why would we need them if we have them too?

The only problem would be our bid to win. Why? FIFA is a lot more "political" than UEFA, and other countries would have more power to win if Portugal won't get strong allies. Probably if Madrid goes for the Olympics and we support them... :D


I actually do not think that Spain at the moment could hold a world cup finals. There are simply not enough quality stadia. That could change, but apart from maybe 4, they have a seriously long way to go.

C'mon, you had the Euro 96, you'll have the Olympics in 2012... Let us have something, pleeeeeeeeease!

You just had Euro 2004! ;)

I actually do not think that Spain at the moment could hold a world cup finals. There are simply not enough quality stadia. That could change, but apart from maybe 4, they have a seriously long way to go.

But that's not a problem. Portugal had... 0 before 1999.

You just had Euro 2004! ;)

2016-2004 = 12
2016-2012 = 4

England: 1966 FIFA World Cup, UEFA Euro 96, 1948 & 2012 Olympic Games, Wimbledon, World Snooker Championship...

Portugal: UEFA Euro 2004, ATP Masters Cup 2000, 2003 Handball World Cup, some youth championships...

Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease!!!!

You cannot include Wimbledon, Snooker, etc. They are yearly tournaments, and nobody else really plays snooker. ;)

We have not hosted the World Cup since 1966, I think we deserve to do it one last time, and we almost have the stadia to do it without spending too much money. ;)

What am I talking about with the "we", I don't even live there anymore!

Wimbledon, Snooker, etc. They are yearly tournaments, and nobody else really plays snooker. ;)

I was joking. But I do like Snooker.

We have not hosted the World Cup since 1966

We never had one... :(

Either Spain or Portugal could easily host it. But IMO, it's one or the other, bids are for one country. I think there's more gloss on it if it's World Cup Germany, World Cup Spain, World Cup Portugal.

The cricket world cup in 2011 is India/Pakistan/Bangladesh/Sri Lanka. How hard to say all of that.

Either Spain or Portugal could easily host it. But IMO, it's one or the other, bids are for one country. I think there's more gloss on it if it's World Cup Germany, World Cup Spain, World Cup Portugal.

The cricket world cup in 2011 is India/Pakistan/Bangladesh/Sri Lanka. How hard to say all of that.

Almost half of the countries who play it

Joking!! xD ............. or not :|

If there is a UEFA rotation policy, then you will know full well that it will be England's turn next time the tournament returns to europe.

Why would it be Englands turn? the best man/country wins, it is simple like that. It is not like England has a 'right' to hold WC. If by that time they have the best stadiums, so be it, if not? better luck next time. You should have learned this by now! :bash:

is portugal large enough to host a world cup by themselves?..im sure they have stadia but after euro are all those stadia needed? it is a very small country..or what do the portuguese forumers have to say ?

is portugal large enough to host a world cup by themselves?..im sure they have stadia but after euro are all those stadia needed? it is a very small country..or what do the portuguese forumers have to say ?

Why? Are you afraid people have to sleep in the middle of the sea? Jeez...

I just can't understand what the size of a country have to do with the capacity of hosting a World Cup. What really matters, the country size or the number of beds and quality of venues? If the World Cup was co-hosted by the Netherlands and Belgium would you ask if they were able to do it? Because the last time I saw, Portugal was bigger than both together.

Why? Are you afraid people have to sleep in the middle of the sea? Jeez...
no basically im asking because i have a friend who has lived in lisboa and portugal..and whenever i mentioned a fifa world cup or a possible olympic bid by lisbon he just argued that it was too small..i understand this is the view of one person...however ive never been to portugal although i do intend on visiting it next year...i do still think the size of a country and its capacity to run such large events is an important factor..however if u believe portugal has the accommodation, capacity etc. then i suppose it does...

Everybody says Portugal is too small for a lot of centuries...

Everybody says Portugal is too small for a lot of centuries...

True, and we discovered more than half of the world!!!

I just can't understand what the size of a country have to do with the capacity of hosting a World Cup. What really matters, the country size or the number of beds and quality of venues? If the World Cup was co-hosted by the Netherlands and Belgium would you ask if they were able to do it? Because the last time I saw, Portugal was bigger than both together.

Very true. I just wished people would stop undersestimating Portugal. SIZE DOESN'T MATTER!! :D

Very true. I just wished people would stop undersestimating Portugal. SIZE DOESN'T MATTER!! :D


I think if Portugal is underestimated is more likely to be because of its low economy power than for its size… As you can see on this link http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/portal/page?_pageid=1996,39140985&_dad=portal&_schema=PORTAL&screen=detailref&language=en&product=STRIND_ECOBAC&root=STRIND_ECOBAC/ecobac/eb011 Portugal has unfortunately already been surpassed by some Eastern European countries… :(

As Spain and Portugal have the world cup, than is one think to heapen. Camp Nou must be expand on the Tribuna side. Than the tournament one of the modern world cups ever .

As Spain and Portugal have the world cup, than is one think to heapen. Camp Nou must be expand on the Tribuna side. Than the tournament one of the modern world cups ever .


"have the world cup"? Since when?

Portugal can host it on there own.

Would be a great idea this bid, but both countries can host it on their own, Spanish new generation stadia is in developement, few years and we'll see the results :)

ENGLAND should host the world cup in 2018, its been too long besides Spain had 82' and Portugal had 2004. Plus England is the most ready and is still updating stadiums.

Vote England 2018!!

Think big! think Portugal and Spain!

Portugal and Spain.
We found the World,
It's time for the World to find us.

^^Very very good slogan, I like it so much :yes:

I see problems already with the word Iberian" The Portuguese are Lusitanians and not Iberians;Portugal is part of Iberia penisula but is called Lusitania. Hosting the World Cup together is not a good idea politically for Portugal and Spain. The Spanish would be orrogant about having the last games in Spain.The Portuguese stadiums are state-of-the art in comparison with Spanish stadiums. I believe that Portugal would do fine hosting the Cup by themselves. :)

^^Lusitania is not alone Portugal. Also regions of Spain formed Lusitania, and for a worldcup you need 12 stadiums over 40.000 spectators

and for a worldcup you need 12 stadiums over 40.000 spectators

Wrong, South Africa will have 10.

And that's the most easy part.

^^Lusitania is not alone Portugal. Also regions of Spain formed Lusitania, and for a worldcup you need 12 stadiums over 40.000 spectators
a world cup requires 8 stadia.

Very true. I just wished people would stop undersestimating Portugal. SIZE DOESN'T MATTER!! :D
hehe...suuuuuure..

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/portugal/lisbon_luz1.jpg
Stadium: Estádio da Luz
Location: Lisbon (Portugal)
Capacity: 65 647 seats

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/portugal/lisbon_alvalade1.jpg
Stadium: Estádio José Alvalade
Location: Lisbon (Portugal)
Capacity: 50 300 seats


http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/portugal/porto_dragao1.jpg
Stadium: Estádio do Dragão
Location: Porto (Portugal)
Capacity: 50 106 seats


http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/portugal/aveiro_municipal1.jpg

Stadium: Municipal de Aveiro
Location: Aveiro (Portugal)
Capacity: 30 678 seats

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/portugal/coimbra_municipal1.jpg
Stadium: Cidade de Coimbra
Location: Coimbra (Portugal)
Capacity: 30 616 seats

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/portugal/faro_algarve1.jpg
Stadium: Estádio Algarve
Location: Faro (Portugal)
Capacity: 30 305 seats

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/portugal/braga_municipal1.jpg
Stadium: Municipal de Braga
Location: Braga (Portugal)
Capacity: 30 154 seats

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/portugal/leiria_pessoa1.jpg
Stadium: Dr. Magalhães Pessoa
Location: Leiria (Portugal)
Capacity: 29 771 seats

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/portugal/guimaraes_henriques1.jpg
Stadium: Dom Afonso Henriques
Location: Guimarães (Portugal)
Capacity: 29 643 seats

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/portugal/porto_bessa1.jpg
Stadium: Estádio do Bessa XXI
Location: Porto (Portugal)
Capacity: 28 263 seats


Which stadia can be upgraded? How will the capacity of the larger stadia be increased?

^^Lusitania is not alone Portugal. Also regions of Spain formed Lusitania, and for a worldcup you need 12 stadiums over 40.000 spectators
Sorry, man. Lusitanians are Portuguese from Portugal. Iberians are Spaniards from Spain. Again, Portugal could host the World Cup by itself. That litle country can accomplish a lot for itself. I believe they have the best designed stadiums in Europe. And they have more room to build for the World Cup. :) a world cup requires 8 stadia.
You are right.

Sorry, man. Lusitanians are Portuguese from Portugal. Iberians are Spaniards from Spain. Again, Portugal could host the World Cup by itself. That litle country can accomplish a lot for itself. I believe they have the best designed stadiums in Europe. And they have more room to build for the World Cup. :)
You are right.

did you know that spain and portugal didn't exist in iberian and lusitanian era?¿?¿ :weirdo:

BTW not all portugal were lusitanian and not all spain were iberian. some regions of spain were lusitaniasn too and the north of portugal were celt, the same as the north, north-west of Spain. the north and the middle of Spain were celtiberian and the south was iberian.

furthermore, lusitanians were a celtiberian tribe like the vettons, carpetanos and others. here's a map


BTW i don't if those portuguese stadia can be upgraded but i'm sure that both countries can host the world cup and do a great work




http://www.arqueotavira.com/Mapas/Iberia/Populi150dpi.jpg

Which stadia can be upgraded? How will the capacity of the larger stadia be increased?

Lowering the field level building new seats. That will be easy in Coimbra, Leiria and Aveiro. In Algarve they could make the tops higher. In Braga they could... I don't know, put the stands higher also. And we could also build new stadiums.

[QUOTE=willo]did you know that spain and portugal didn't exist in iberian and lusitanian era?¿?¿ :weirdo:
Historically, Tras os Montes and the douro region in nothern Portugal are where the Lusitanians come from. It is true that the Lusitanians are a mixture of former Iberian and Celtic tribes. the Lusitanians started traveling throughout northern Portugal all the way to Galicia. But the Romans named that part of Portugal Lusitania; it contained the fiercest tribes they ever encountered. Scientist discovered the Portuguese blood type is totally different from the rest of Iberia; that the closest blood type to the Lusitanians is from Belgium and not from Spain. Again, Lusitanians are from Portugal. and Iberians are from Spain. Thank's for your information.... Portugal would do fine hosting the Cup by themselves. :)

Do think it is possible?

how awesome that would be. An opening in Athens, closing in Istanbul or vice versa

Sound cool, but real, i don´t know

6 stadiums in each country. thats all thats needed.

Yes, Its possible.

It´s possible, but FIFA is against Two-Countries-Bids!

Nope, won't happen.

Umm, no.

England/Spain would murder such a bid.

Oh a greece & Turkey thread, not Greece vs Turkey? wow, sounds good to me, but wont happen, sorry put 2bob & try again.

Sounds cool

as Selcuk already said
FIFA is against Two-Countries-Bids! ;)
and 2018 will be in England to 90% :D

Turkey and Greece should bid (alone) for the EURO first.

Don't think it'll happen. Better to have it in Australia. :)

ISTAMBUL 80 000 Places
http://stadiony.net/pictures/tur/ataturk_olympiat_stadi/ataturk_olympiat_stadi01.jpg
http://stadiony.net/pictures/tur/ataturk_olympiat_stadi/ataturk_olympiat_stadi02.jpg
http://stadiony.net/pictures/tur/ataturk_olympiat_stadi/ataturk_olympiat_stadi03.jpg

ISTAMBUL FENERBAHE 52 000 Places
http://stadiony.net/pictures/tur/sukru_saracoglu_stadyumu/sukru_saracoglu_stadyumu02.jpg
http://stadiony.net/pictures/tur/sukru_saracoglu_stadyumu/sukru_saracoglu_stadyumu04.jpg


ATENY 75 000 Places
http://stadiony.net/pictures/gre/spyros_louis/spyros_louis03.jpg
http://stadiony.net/pictures/gre/spyros_louis/spyros_louis02.jpg

PIREUS 34 000 Places
http://stadiony.net/pictures/gre/karaiskaki/karaiskaki01.jpg
http://stadiony.net/pictures/gre/karaiskaki/karaiskaki04.jpg[B]

you can expand the ATatürk Olimpiyat to 90,000 (2nd tier at the stand behind the goals9
you can make it also 115,000 :D by adding a new 1st tier and make it closer to pitch

^^ yes Istanbul Ataturk can be over 100.000 :eek:

Pireus @ 34,000 seats?? Doubt FIFA would want a stadium that small? Might have to be extended.

they will have the stadiums by then!!!

GREECE
Athens Olympic Stadium 'Spyros Louis'
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/greece/athens_spiros_louis1.jpg
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/greece/athens_spiros_louis2.jpg
Votanikos Arena
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_menu/past_future/pictures/future_stadiums/athens_panathinaikos.jpg
AEL Arena
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_menu/past_future/pictures/future_stadiums/larisa_arena1.jpg
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_menu/past_future/pictures/future_stadiums/larisa_arena2.jpg
Kaftanzoglio Stadium
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/greece/thessaloniki_kaftanzoglio1.jpg
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/greece/thessaloniki_kaftanzoglio2.jpg
lowered pitch to add seats and make it a football stadium only. also a new roof to cover the whole stadium.
Panpeloponnesian Stadium
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/greece/patras_panpel.jpg
lowered pitch to add seats and make it a football stadium only. also a new roof to cover the whole stadium.
Pankritio Stadium
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/greece/heraklion_pankritiko.jpg
lowered pitch to add seats and make it a football stadium only. also a new roof to cover the whole stadium.

TURKEY
Atatürk Olimpiyat Stadi
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/middle_east/turkey/marmara/istanbul_ataturk1.jpg
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/middle_east/turkey/marmara/istanbul_ataturk2.jpg
Fenerbahçe Sükrü Saracoglu Stadi
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/middle_east/turkey/marmara/istanbul_fenerbahce1.jpg
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/middle_east/turkey/marmara/istanbul_fenerbahce2.jpg
Kayseri Stadion
http://www.stadiumguide.com/kayserinew1.jpg
19 Mayis Stadyumu
NEW STADIUM
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_menu/past_future/pictures/future_stadiums/zaragoza_romareda1.jpg
IZMIR UPGRADED STADIUM
http://www.stadiumguide.com/ataturkizmir1.jpg
Kamil Ocak Stadi
http://www.stadiumguide.com/kamilocak1.jpg UPGRADED

Btw,It's not Istanbul&Athens
For example

Izmir Ataturk 65,000

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/middle_east/turkey/aegean/izmir_ataturk1.jpg

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/middle_east/turkey/aegean/izmir_ataturk2.jpg

And If you count + 35,000-40,000 stadiums,
Kayseri will build a 40,000 stadium ;)

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/4826/21dp.jpg
http://www.sanalresim.com/rs/33088.gif


And Galatarasay is gonna build a 55,000 stadium in Istanbul(Seyrantepe)


Turkey is ready with 4 +55,000 stadiums
6 +40,000 stadiums ;)

Yes, Emre, Atatürk Olimpiyat can be 115,000
but it would be vey expensive :D

Kayseri will be 33,000

new Ali Sami yen will be 52.000 (roff can be closed)

Izmir is 58.008
But IMO they would built a new stadium
for EURO 2012 BID a 51.000 football stadium was planned

for Worldcup capacity has to be +40,000
and it is not about stadiums
infrastructure is more important

is it possible to remodel those stadia to remove the athletics tracks?

No atletic tracks please, but the idea is nice. Only think it will not happen (that soon)

No atletic tracks please, but the idea is nice. Only think it will not happen (that soon)

dropping the pitch will get rid of the tracks and then u could add seats. but probably will not be done to athens olympic stadium and ataturk istanbul.

No chance, 2018 is more or less guranteed to be Englands. 2030 perhaps.

sorry, no more joint bids pplzzz

Pireus @ 34,000 seats?? Doubt FIFA would want a stadium that small? Might have to be extended.
Yep, The stadium would add a second tier (as has been mentioned by the officals before)

No chance, 2018 is more or less guranteed to be Englands. 2030 perhaps. No chance, too many security issues I heard.

No chance, too many security issues I heard.

vote England 2018!

No i doubt it, Europe has plenty of countries with huge stadiums. Look at Germany and how many stadiums they have, Turkey has a few big stadiums Greece only has one. It's just not enough.

Other countries like Italy, Germany, England, France etc are better qualified than these countries. I don't even think the Balkans alltogether can manage a world cup better that these countries.

mate if u drop the pitch on any of the two stadiums with tracks in greece they will become 40000+ seaters. what else do u want.

plus you have panathainikos stadium which will be 40000seats anyway.

BTW
i thought 2018 would be asia or Australia?

1998 Europe
2002 Asia
2006 Europe
2010 Africa
2014 America
2018 Asia/Australia
2022 Europe??

No chance, too many security issues I heard.
:weirdo: What the hell are you talking about man?? 'No chance'...first of all, a World Cup 2018 in England has a much much greater chance of success then any other bid you could care to mention, and secondly what the heck are you on about 'security issues'....? Every country has security issues when it comes to holding a major event, and England has one of the best records for holding major tournaments in the world and takes security more seriously then probably any other country in Europe (a little too far sometimes)...we got cctv cameras coming out of our....well, you get the idea.

By 2018, England won't have hosted the World Cup for 52 years!! All the other major European countries- France, Italy, Germany, Spain- have hosted the World Cup more recently then England, and England is already in the process of developing a whole new generation of high quality, high capacity stadiums with many more plans to come through in the near future....and this is even before a potential World Cup bid is to be made! Plus, the time zone is better suited then somehwere like Australia, where people round the world would be stuck watching games at 2am!

I think Greece and Turkey should concentrate on trying to hold a Euro Cup before tackling the big stuff...like trying to drive a car before you can even walk! ;) I think both countries have the stadiums and the resources to pull off a very successful Euro bid, but I think a World Cup is just out of their league at the moment, especially when there are other countries that are far more deserving, and better prepared, to host one!

:cheers:

2022 sounds good...

We would have PAO, AEK And Olympiakos with Individual stadiums plus OAKA and even maybe another...then turkeys...great.

hosting a world cup in greece and turkey would be a great for the two countries as it will help grow the relaitionship betwwen both of them. and will also help both leagues aswell.

']2022 sounds good...

We would have PAO, AEK And Olympiakos with Individual stadiums plus OAKA and even maybe another...then turkeys...great.

probobly a new toumba (if paok still exist)

I think Greece and Turkey should concentrate on trying to hold a Euro Cup before tackling the big stuff...like trying to drive a car before you can even walk! ;) I think both countries have the stadiums and the resources to pull off a very successful Euro bid, but I think a World Cup is just out of their league at the moment, especially when there are other countries that are far more deserving, and better prepared, to host one!
I agree but I dont know about deserving it....sure, Greece is an attention seeking spotlight whore but on the other hand, Turkey would really like a WC. Together, the two nations would become even more politically close and it woud benefit both nations a lot.

BTW
are there any rumours in Greece?

Turkey will bid for UEFA EURO 2016 as i know :D
EURO 2016 Turkey
WC 2018 Greece/Turkey :D looooll :D

i heard it on a greeksoccer tv program a few months ago. how the epo would like to host a major soccer event. they said they can host the euro on their own but to host a world cup they need another country to help them out. firstly they said italy but both countries r far away from each other then they said turkey and they said it could be a possibility.

BTW
i thought 2018 would be asia or Australia?

1998 Europe
2002 Asia
2006 Europe
2010 Africa
2014 America
2018 Asia/Australia
2022 Europe??

Fifa themselves have said the rotation is very unlikely to carry on beyond 2014, it was really just an excuse to make sure Africa got 2010 since Blatter depends on African support to remain president.

Nevermind

is it possible to remodel those stadia to remove the athletics tracks?
Yes, if you just lower the pitch, and add more seats.

btw, the bid would never work.

why not?

:weirdo: What the hell are you talking about man?? Do you remember what happened in London the day they were awarded the Games?

Security issues? Hell yeah.

Agree. London is a target for the terrorists more than any other European city.

:) australia 2018 or 2022 :)

Do you remember what happened in London the day they were awarded the Games?

Security issues? Hell yeah.

yes, and London dealt with it better than any country could have, Americans have said it themselves England dealt better with 7/7 than the Americans dealt with 9/11. Obviously it was ona very different scale, but you get the picture. The day after the attack everyone was back to work, the British public isnt scared of terrorists, they are scum. England may be the biigest target for an attack, but we are VERY well prepared to deal with it.

ENGLAND 2018!

what a joke..london is a world city..people moving in and out of it constantly...one attack isnt going to stop the worlds old and young from attending the 2012 games neither will it affect a possible england world cup bid..london a target? suuure..im sure its a "target" but who isnt? madrid is just as big a target...

This has nothing to do with London.
Stop that discussion please.

No chance, 2018 is more or less guranteed to be Englands. 2030 perhaps.

in your dreams! :rofl:
May the best country winn, good chance England winns it, but if Spain and Portugal unite you won't get it that easely because they can match or better the bid from England maybe

but okay i will stop discussing... Turkey Greece? forget about it!

but okay i will stop discussing... Turkey Greece? forget about it!
Ok you do that

']Ok you do that

you don't, or you're gonna keep on dreaming?
you do that, it's time for a little siesta anyway (unless when you live in Greece then you must wait a little hour more)

Hmm, I used to be a bit like you. Immature.

Hmm, I used to be a bit like you. Immature.
Thankgod your not anymore!
The last thing we need is more skas!
:cheers:

that was a long long long , looooooooooooooooongggggg time ago!
you guys, good luck with discusing, I am of to the three tires thread, druling from pictures of nice stadiums, very immature

that was a long long long , looooooooooooooooongggggg time ago!
you guys, good luck with discusing, I am of to the three tires thread, druling from pictures of nice stadiums, very immature
Ok cool, dont come back! :cheers:

']Ok cool, dont come back! :cheers:

Couldn't agree more!

is it immature to have one more reply??? :weirdo: this def. is. :runaway:

But guys back to the subject do you believe in a Greece/Turkey WC 2018?

is it immature to have one more reply??? :weirdo: this def. is. :runaway:

But guys back to the subject do you believe in a Greece/Turkey WC 2018?

Yes, it is.

And I doubt a Greece/Turkey bid will be picked, but I also doubt a Spain/Portugal bid will be either.

And how YOU can call ME a weirdo is beyond me.

is it possible to remodel those stadia to remove the athletics tracks?

yea it is possible.. In the Berlin Olympic stadium, they expanded the green grass and overlapped the racing tracks.

i am against joined bids
turkey or greece can host it alone if they want....i think they will both be ready by 2020....
and yes i agree that they should try for euro first(alone of course)

i am against joined bids
turkey or greece can host it alone if they want....i think they will both be ready by 2020....
and yes i agree that they should try for euro first(alone of course)


I agree. I would not want a joint bid with Turkey.

Also, Greece hosted one of the best Olympic Games in history. Security, planning, venue location, etc., was superb. As a sporting event the Olympics are even bigger in scale than the World Cup so we know Greece can handle this type of tournament logistically speaking.

That being said, the World Cup requires many "true" footyball stadiums of which Greece currently does not possess. Let's be realistic because that is the case as we speak.

However, with new stadiums on the horizon for AEK Athens and Panathinaikos and the expansion of Olympiakos' Karaiskaki stadium if Greece was awarded the tournament, Greece would be able to host the games by 2020 if it built one or two other stadiums for the tournament.

We would have teh following stadia to choose from:

OAKA (Olympic Stadium)
Karaiskaki (would be expanded with an additional tier)
AEK Athens
Panathinakos
New Stadium #1
New Stadium #2
Toumba in Thessaloniki if expaned
PanCretan in Iraklio, Crete if expanded.

First and above all, we are talking about a lapse of 12 years!!! In 12 years everything changes.

Security issues in the UK? you are moving nowadays political issues to the long run future, are you expecting to still have war gainst terr in 12 years? I think in that span of time things have already changed and peace will prevail and the terrorist will be already neutralized.

As for the two countries bids I'm not that fond on that kind of double nations events. As far as world cups concerns the Japan-Korea one was the most boring one, I prefer the mono-national bids. Of course my vote goes to Greece.

As for the venues, I think in 12 years we are able to build and expand more state of the art stadiums. As for the number of people there're 50,000-60,000 audience already running in Germany.

Finally as for how much Greece will be prepared for that date, well let me tell you that much better than in 2004, and we had the greatest games ever so it will be much more than ready for 2018.

Both the transportation system in Greece is becoming day by day better and by that date it will be among the best in Europe. (Currently it's the country in Europe that is building the highest number of highways kms). The highspeed 250/300 kms/h train will be already connecting the PATHE (Patra-Athens-Thessaloniki) corridor (actually that will be ready in 2-4 years at the latest), which is part of the main central European vertical axis (Berlin-Munich-Vienna-Budapest-Belgrade-Thessaloniki-Athens) as well as other new railways lines are proposed by 2015.

Many Airports are being buit/expanded by that time:

Athens: Plans to expand it to 50 million are already proposed
Thessaloniki: By 2012 the Airport expansion will be ready and an airport of 20 millions is expected.
Heraklion: A new 12 millions airport is under construction due to be ready by 2012
Ionannina: The new airport expansion is already underway
Rhodes: An airport expansion is proposed though I don't have much info on this one.
As well as other tens of airports are planned to be refurbished/built all around the nation.

The new state-of-the-art Metro system in Thessaloniki will be ready by 2012 and by 2018 the second and third lines of it will be commissioned as well.

The Athens Metro by that time will cover a distance of 150kms and adding to it the suburban system more than 500kms will serve daily in the 5 millions metropolis (at this pace due to reach the 6 millions by that time).

Finally other minor but no less important works are being done in other areas, like great luxurious hotels, bed and breakfasts, etc popping up all around the country, bridges and tunnels, etc.

I think Greece by 2018 will be much more than ready to hold a venue like this and I think a website should be done about this with a petition poll or something like that in order to back the proposition and present it to the FIFA.

I think UK also is a great place for the WC but don't forget that London Olympics are due to be held in 2012 and the time difference is too short (that doesn't mean of course that it happened on other occasions (LA 1984 Olympics-US WC 1994-Atlanta 1996 come to mind) but shouldn't be that way.

By 2018 14 years have been passed from Athens games.


So let's go Greece for a 2018 World Cup

i think patra deserves one big stadium,around 40,000....it will have the right amount of population by 2018 to fill such a stadium

world cup is too big but a join bid would work but i dont see this will happen, Greece or Turkey should try to host the euro insted, its more suitable.
:scouserd:

Turkey/Greece bid sounds like a good idea...but I'd definately suggest each country host a European Championship first. Just in order to unpgrade stadia and infrastructure at the first stage, and then further for the world cup, (stage 2).

Of course, more stadia would be needed, but the idea of removing the athlectics track/lowering the pitch at the Ataturk Olympic Stadium sounds like such a good idea!

That, coupled with closed ends, like Secan said it could be 115,000! Woah, imagine that.

World Cup final in front of 115,000 people! :eek:

BTW: Who's gonna host '14 then?

Security issues in the UK? you are moving nowadays political issues to the long run future, are you expecting to still have war gainst terr in 12 years? I think in that span of time things have already changed and peace will prevail and the terrorist will be already neutralized.

Lets hope!

I think UK also is a great place for the WC but don't forget that London Olympics are due to be held in 2012 and the time difference is too short (that doesn't mean of course that it happened on other occasions (LA 1984 Olympics-US WC 1994-Atlanta 1996 come to mind) but shouldn't be that way.

By 2018 14 years have been passed from Athens games.


So let's go Greece for a 2018 World Cup

I dont think it should be about the time difference, it should be about the quality of the bid. Lets face it, London had the best bid for 2012, that's why it won. If it has the best bid for 2018, it should rightfully win that too. If a bid ups londons for 2018, then London doesn't deserve it. Thats how I see it.

yes, and London dealt with it better than any country could have, Try telling that to the mother of that innocent Brazilian guy. Americans have said it themselves England dealt better with 7/7 than the Americans dealt with 9/11. Obviously it was ona very different scale, but you get the picture. I hope it doesn't happen, but unfortunately I think we're in for a security nightmare in London. Govts may have to prepare travel warnings. The day after the attack everyone was back to work, the British public isnt scared of terrorists, they are scum. England may be the biigest target for an attack, but we are VERY well prepared to deal with it.

ENGLAND 2018! No doubt terrorists are scum, but unfortunately nothing can guarantee they won't act. We have to get to the root of the problem to really stop it.

I agree. I would not want a joint bid with Turkey.

Big surprise.

Big surprise.


Calm down mate!

I am not singling out Turkey. I wouldn't want a joint bid with any country.

:cheers:

^^Actually, a joint bid would boost bilateral relations between the two nations.

^^Actually, a joint bid would boost bilateral relations between the two nations.


Of course it would but I just disagree with joint bids in general for the World Cup.

^^Actually, a joint bid would boost bilateral relations between the two nations.
I agree.Also joint bids give two different nationalites to watch the games in their home soil at once.What's wrong with that?

Try telling that to the mother of that innocent Brazilian guy.

That was a terribe tragedy, and a mistake that shouldn't have been made, but no-one is claiming everything went somoothly and perfectly after the 7/7 attack, how could it? It's like you seem to expect that every country in the world would handle it with no errors of judgement....not so mate! Apart from that mistake, the whole country dealt with it extremely well, and we didn't nuke another nation in retaliation, we got on with it; London has faced more in it's time then probably any other city in the world.

I hope it doesn't happen, but unfortunately I think we're in for a security nightmare in London. Govts may have to prepare travel warnings.
No doubt terrorists are scum, but unfortunately nothing can guarantee they won't act. We have to get to the root of the problem to really stop it.
I'm sorry mate, but you're talking absolute rubbish! Of course London is a potential threat for terrorism, as is Paris, New York etc etc, but so what?? So we should let the terrorists win should we, we should lock up shop and not allow any events to be held in the country for 'fear' of terrorism?? If we took your attitude we'd never get anywhere, we'd never move on. So your arguement is that because terroists 'might' attack in London, the WC should not go to England?? Well, thankfully, FIFA and the rest of the world don't think like you, and this will not be more of a problem in an England bid then any other country that goes for the WC. Plus, we are talking about 2018 here, 12 years away!

And another arguement I've heard people saying is that London will have the Olympics in 2012....the Olympics is a totally different organisation to FIFA, and it has no real bearing on whether a country should be allowed to host a WC or not! Plus, it is the 'London' 2012 olympics...there is more to England then London, and the WC is about the whole country!

Sorry to yall who want to keep the thread fully focused on the Greece/Turkey topic, I would never make a comment like that out of the blue, but when somebody brings up these other issues, I can't leave them unanswered!

Imo, Greece and Turkey are/will not be ready to host a WC in 2018; remmeber you have to have a good starting bid, and the initial bid takes place in the near future, so you can't just offer lots of promises of new stadiums! I don't think FIFA would want a) a joint bid, and b) a European nation to hold a WC when they have not even been tested with a Euro Cup! Look at Portugal, they held a successful Euro 2004, and they now have lots of quality stadiums and will be in a good position to bid for a WC by about 2026/2030.

:cheers:

^ I wish you Brits would have took this confident and positive attitude for the 2004 games, instead of freaking out and treating Athens as if it was Baghdad.



Anyway, as has been brought up before, a WC is to big for Greece to host, even as a joint bid. The capacities needed to host games in stadiums I believe are a minimum of 40,000. There are maybe 3-4 clubs that can sustain stadiums of 40,000+, 1 already have a stadium and it's under 40,000. It's just not logical. We should keep bidding for the Euro, it's more practical.

What I don't understand is the problem against joint bid. Korea and Japan did a good job didn't they. and the EC 2000 in Belgium and the Netherlands wasn't that bad was it?
is there a special/comercial reasion that the Fifa is against these bids?
I think nor Turkey nor Greece can/should do this on it's one, because I think it would be to much asked of those countries, maybe I underastemate here, but that is just the feeling I have.

What I don't understand is the problem against joint bid. Korea and Japan did a good job didn't they. and the EC 2000 in Belgium and the Netherlands wasn't that bad was it?
is there a special/comercial reasion that the Fifa is against these bids?
I think nor Turkey nor Greece can/should do this on it's one, because I think it would be to much asked of those countries, maybe I underastemate here, but that is just the feeling I have.
Yes you do underestimate IMO.
Greece could EASILY host the WC, I think the problem will be the aftermath (Stadium left unused) but by then (2018) I think it will be feasable.

I have said it before, Greece is a spotlight whore. They are bound to bid soon.

Okay then... expensive whore then! (nice looking though)

Yes, stupidly expensive...

and lets be honest, I think the only time Greece will bid for the WC would be when Turkey Bids...

haha! is it still that bad between the two (military nato partners...)?

No its not, but they seem to like to copy each other...
If one bids, the other will bid.

Another possibility as the greeks and italians are desperet to host a football tournament. is it possible?

That would be brilliant.

it certainly would.

I think the Americas deserve it for 2018 or 2014 (if it is not decided). I would like a World cup in USA/Canada, Argentina/Paraguay, Brazil, or Mexico. We haven't had a World Cup in years.

2014 is americas world cup but then after there is no continent following so the bid is open to anyone.

No, it isn't. The Netherlands and Belgium did made plans for the WC 2018 hosting, but the FIFA/UEFA said they don't want to let more than one country organize the tournament anymore. So it's or Italy, or Greece, if one of these countries want to organize it.

No, it isn't. The Netherlands and Belgium did made plans for the WC 2018 hosting, but the FIFA/UEFA said they don't want to let more than one country organize the tournament anymore. So it's or Italy, or Greece, if one of these countries want to organize it.

buddy i think brazil and argetina are going to host it together in 2014.

FIFA said that, UEFA didn't. If UEFA narrowed it down to one country only, it would either be an economical disaster (Portugal) or limited to Germany, UK, France, Spain and Italy, especially with 24 instead of 16 teams.

buddy i think brazil and argetina are going to host it together in 2014

"Buddy", I think you are wrong. Brazil was about to be chosen in the first place, but Blatter warned them that they had a lot of work to do. Chile and Argentina were readying for a joint bid but this was rather quickly turned down by the FIFA. Which, I think, is sad.

thens whats the talk about spain and portugal bidding for it together

^^ Hahaha. But that was just a forumer joking.

Spain doesn't need to bid with Portugal to get a WC.

I'm sorry mate, but you're talking absolute rubbish! Of course London is a potential threat for terrorism, as is Paris, New York etc etc, but so what?? Well maybe stage it where there is less potential for terrorism? :gaah:

Imo, Greece and Turkey are/will not be ready to host a WC in 2018; remmeber you have to have a good starting bid, and the initial bid takes place in the near future, so you can't just offer lots of promises of new stadiums! I don't think FIFA would want a) a joint bid, and b) a European nation to hold a WC when they have not even been tested with a Euro Cup! Look at Portugal, they held a successful Euro 2004, and they now have lots of quality stadiums and will be in a good position to bid for a WC by about 2026/2030.

:cheers: I think the joint-bid is a good cause to strive for and in the process promoting bilateral relations for mutual benefit. It's a good vehicle for co-operation. But, I think there is still a way to go before this can realictically happen, for many reasons.

Another thread of a joint Greece-Italy bid has been started. This could be more feasible. :cheers:

Lets face it, its pretty much certain that England will host the 2018 World Cup. Sepp Blatter even said so himself he would love it if England got the chance, and considering the amount of world-class stadia being built in the England right now, I would not be surprised if we do get to host the WC. Its convenient that the decision will probably be made in 2012, the year London hosts the Olympics, so that'll give FIFA an idea on how the British run major events and how they can handle it.

As if fifa would turn a joint bid from one of the two most visited countries in the world. imagine the amount of money fifa would make.

Come one people be serious. Italy for one would never have a joint bid with Greece. Two Italy held the World Cup in 1990. and Three - England is more or less guranteed to host the 2018 World Cup.

If 2018 goes to Europe, than it will be in England
But if it goes to Asia/Australia
than i think Australia can get it

aCidMinD81
are there any rumours in Spain about hosting WC or EURO?

Greece/Turkey is much moe realistic.

I think no. And Italia 90 is so recent

Certainly, they'll get it if they CHEAT by rolling around on the football field

FIFA said that, UEFA didn't. If UEFA narrowed it down to one country only, it would either be an economical disaster (Portugal) or limited to Germany, UK, France, Spain and Italy, especially with 24 instead of 16 teams.

Why would they reduce the number of teams from 32 to 24?

Portugal/Spain would be cool

Why would they reduce the number of teams from 32 to 24?

I am talking about the EURO, not the WC.

Portugal/Spain would be cool
Yeah... but Canada/USA/Mexico would have a chance too.

it would either be an economical disaster (Portugal)
Care to explain??

Yeah... but Canada/USA/Mexico would have a chance too.


:lol: :lol:

Care to explain??

One word: Faro. Small countries don't need as many countries as the UEFA requires to host. Austria or Switzerland could never afford eight stadiums as big as 30,000. (Well, they could, but no one would want to.) Portugal obviously thought they could need these stadiums. Well...

2018 world cup should be in England!!

italy recently hosted in 1990, by 2018 it would be 52 years since England last hosted. its about time England got it

Surely Italy could host it on their own? The same with Spain. A joint bid of Italy/Greece OR Spain/Portugal seems a bit unnecessary.

why would italy be going for euro 2012 if they could host a worldcup on their own?

Everybody is talking about the WC of 2018. Is the host country for the WC of 2014 already announced?

Surely Italy could host it on their own? The same with Spain. A joint bid of Italy/Greece OR Spain/Portugal seems a bit unnecessary. Perhaps, but definitely complimentary. It's a good idea. A big country co-hosting with a smaller one, especially one that ties into it's culture, history and mentality. The larger has to share and the smaller gets an opporunity = spreading out the benefits of a major event.

I reckon a joint Britain/Ireland bid would be cool.

exactly. it would be great for both country economy especially in the tourism industry. as i said before greece and italy are one the most visited countries in europe. they are both in the same area along the mediterainean sea. imagine a summer spent in both of these countries.

Another possibility as the greeks and italians are desperet to host a football tournament. is it possible?
No chance: Italy would host alone.
Greece-Turkey maybe: it would be a bit like Japan-Korea.

Everybody is talking about the WC of 2018. Is the host country for the WC of 2014 already announced?
Well, more or less....it is going to a South American country, and it is virtually guaranteed to go to Brazil, although this is not a deffinite. There are slight possibilities of an Argentina-Chile, and an Australian bid, but it's not very likely. Here is the quote about it from Wikipedia:

The 2014 FIFA World Cup will provisionally take place in Brazil. On March 7, 2003 FIFA announced that the cup would be held in South America for the first time since Argentina hosted it in 1978, in line with its policy of rotating the right to host the World Cup amongst different confederations. On March 17 the CONMEBOL associations voted unanimously to adopt Brazil as their sole candidate. The final decision as to hosting will be made sometime in 2008. However, on April 13, 2006 Sepp Blatter said that does not necessarily mean that the tournament would be in Brazil. "For the time being, I don't think Brazil has a stadium for the Cup." But it should be noted, that he had only visited stadiums in Rio de Janeiro, São Paulo and Porto Alegre. On the topic of co-hosting, Blatter advised that FIFA would prefer a single candidate which fulfilled the requirements. It was suggested that Argentina and Chile could launch a joint bid but later reports suggest it unlikely—if Brazil is deemed not to be a runner (the host country must fulfil the requirements in the mandatory regulations), the competition may be held in North America or Asia.
For Brazil to host the 2014 World Cup, the country would need a lot of investment in security and infrastructure.

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The 2018 WC is still a big mystery at the moment as no-one's even sure which continent it will be on, let alone which countries will be bidding. In fact, I don't think I can ever remember so many countries displaying an interest in hosting a WC before, everybody seems to be up for it.

From Wikipedia:

Countries that have announced their interest include Australia, England, Mexico, the Netherlands and Belgium (joint bid) and Spain. A bid from Canada is also possible. A bid from China is also likely, though the Chinese are currently focusing their attention on the upcoming 2008 Olympic Games in Beijing. Other slight possiblilities are Saudi Arabia and New Zealand.

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And now we're talking about a Greece-Italy bid, and a Spain-Portugal bid......there's gonna be a lot of bids to compete with for this one!!

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Greece should host with a country like Bulgaria IMO...

Niether Italy nor Turkey need another nation to host with mainly due to there high populations making stadiums more feasable.

come on australia, big game on tuesday against italy. good old aussie pride should come out blazing against the italians

2018 world cup should be in England!!

italy recently hosted in 1990, by 2018 it would be 52 years since England last hosted. its about time England got it

Again and again... England does not have the right or something.
Let the best country win (England has a good chance that's true, but no right!!!)

Everybody is talking about the WC of 2018. Is the host country for the WC of 2014 already announced?

If Brazil does what they have to do, it is more or less sure they get it
(dreadfull atletic stadiums probably, but hey they do live football there)

Again and again... England does not have the right or something.
Let the best country win (England has a good chance that's true, but no right!!!)

Well as the country that invented the damn game, we have more of a right than some......

And a 52 year gap is a fucking disgrace, when Germany has hosted it twice in 32 years as well as an olympics and Euro championships.

[QUOTE='[Gioяgos]']Greece should host with a country like Bulgaria IMO...

Niether Italy nor Turkey need another nation to host with mainly due to there high populations making stadiums more feasable.[/QUOTE turkey only has one city which their big teams are (istanbul) you cannot build all stadiums in just one city. same goes for greece all stadiums cant be built in athens.

One word: Faro. Small countries don't need as many countries as the UEFA requires to host. Austria or Switzerland could never afford eight stadiums as big as 30,000. (Well, they could, but no one would want to.) Portugal obviously thought they could need these stadiums. Well...

Estádio Algarve is used by Louletano - and it would also be used by Farense if they hadn't closed their professional team - and in other sporting events. Why do talk without knowing things? Is Zentralstadium better?

Greece can host a Euro, not a World Cup. Club teams are not big enough bar maybe 4 (PAO, OSFP, AEK, PAOK) to have those size stadiums.

Now a Eurocup yes.

Imo, Greece and Turkey are/will not be ready to host a WC in 2018; remmeber you have to have a good starting bid, and the initial bid takes place in the near future, so you can't just offer lots of promises of new stadiums! I don't think FIFA would want a) a joint bid, and b) a European nation to hold a WC when they have not even been tested with a Euro Cup! Look at Portugal, they held a successful Euro 2004, and they now have lots of quality stadiums and will be in a good position to bid for a WC by about 2026/2030.

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Good post.

I am 200% in favour of such an idea.

The two countries will have the chance to promote both sporting excellence as well as understanding and conciliation.

Again and again... England does not have the right or something.
Let the best country win (England has a good chance that's true, but no right!!!)
Well, as Crazy Mac has already aptly mentioned in his post, England gave the game to the world, it is about time football came home! ;)

I do actually agree with you though to some extent, I think it should just basically come down to whoever has the best bid gets to host it! And I think England will have a better bid (imo) then any other country that I've heard is hoping for the 2018 WC.

But, even though the best bid should win it, you do (FIFA do) have to take into account many other factors, and one of those factors is whether a country has hosted it more recently then another. It is not the deciding factor obviously, but a factor nonetheless that will work in England's favour!

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I don't forsee this ever happening. Italy can host any competition on its own. Greece on the other hand cannot host a world cup alone.

Does anyone realy believe in this bid?

I think the Americas deserve it for 2018 or 2014 (if it is not decided). I would like a World cup in USA/Canada, Argentina/Paraguay, Brazil, or Mexico. We haven't had a World Cup in years.

The 2014 world cup is this continents World Cup. When do the biddings start?

Greece-Bulgaria Euro 2016

Forget about any World Cup.

why would italy be going for euro 2012 if they could host a worldcup on their own?

Because they know that it is not their turn for the World Cup. They last hosted the World Cup as recently as 1990 and are unlikely to be chosen to host it again for another thirty years, at least.

Perhaps, but definitely complimentary. It's a good idea. A big country co-hosting with a smaller one, especially one that ties into it's culture, history and mentality. The larger has to share and the smaller gets an opporunity = spreading out the benefits of a major event.

I reckon a joint Britain/Ireland bid would be cool.

The problem with shared World Cups, as far as FIFA is concerned, is that two World Cup places, rather than one, are automatically taken up by the hosts.

I very much doubt you'll see any european nation outside England/Germany/Italy/Spain/France host a WC again when they have the option of bidding for the european championships instead that bring in almost as much prestige/money yet cost a great deal less in stadium devolpment.

Greece could host it alone, but for the moment there is no reason to do so. Greece is one of the few small countries that can host the biggest events as well as the big countries.

Greece-Bulgaria Euro 2016

Forget about any World Cup.
Greece dosnt need to joint for Euro.

I think we could pull it off with ease.

Some people may think of it as a matter of promoting football in Greece which isnt actually the Number One sport.

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Some people may think of it as a matter of promoting football in Greece which isnt actually the Number One sport.


Giorgos, football is the number one sport in Greece, by FAR.

Basketball is very popular and Greece has an excellent domestic league. In the mid to late 1990's basketball soared in popularity but it never surpassed football.

Let's be real here.

Really? The Impression I get from my cousins is really quit diffrent (granted, they dont live in Athens or Thessaloniki).

the new super league is going to save greek football. fifa is helping them making this new league. its going to be the league for the balkans.

hey just a reminder there should not be any new joint bid for euros after
Austria-Switzerland so I think you can forget about Greece-Bulgaria. I agree with anyone saying Greece can do this one on its own.

A world cup in greece... They got a few stadium for the olympics but would need another 4 to welcome it properly... I don't see Italy willing to share nor Turkey.

I think Russia might try to bid for it as ludicrous as it might seem.

They're will not be a shared world cup in North America, Mexico doesn't need it neither the US and Canada already as 6 stadiums fully able to take it... They would just need one 36000 seater in Ottawa and another one in Quebec to go and bid... Canada's problem is not size it's rather population and accessibility. FIFA is reluctant to have world cup spread on these kind of huge countries. Brazil should get it easily 2014... Argentina is not ready for such an investment.

England can bid and welcome it pretty much when they want they have the gratest championship, amazing stadiums. It would a pretty compact worldcup which is great for everyone and off course easy to get there. They also gave us the game THEY DESERVE IT... But it would be a pricey one, that's the only down point to it. Guys would you please just accept to switch to euros for the time of the world and go back to the pound right after it. Please !!!

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i think a Russia-Portugal bid would be more feasible! :lol:

Greece could host it alone, but for the moment there is no reason to do so. Greece is one of the few small countries that can host the biggest events as well as the big countries.

A WC? No way in hell.

Max 2 stadia in Athens, let's say another 2 in Thessaloniki.

Then what? Will PAS Giannena play in a 40,000 seater? Or Panaxaiki?

Fact is a Euro, yes. 2 in Athens, 2 in Thessaloniki, 1 in Ioannina, 1 in Larissa, 1 on Crete, and either/or Patra-Volos.

Sure.

lol Potato :D whay not Iceland/Portugal? another WORLD CUP for 2 countrys? :?

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i think a Russia-Portugal bid would be more feasible! :lol:

Its not going to happen but the distance between Korea and Japan was greater than that between Greece and Italy.

yup could be a good iniciative but I dont beleve in that for now :(

the south of Korea is very close to Honsu island in Japan :sly:

i dont think any country in geographically eastern europe should hold the world cup. There are several reasons for this, first of all, the stadiums are not where they should be although in 12 years they could be

Second of all, some countries will be willing to host the world cup just to be in the world cup. Italy is always in the world cup, therefore, they deserve to host it since they've shown consistency. However, Greece has only been in the world cup once, and i believe had the worst performance.

So what i'm saying is that countries like italy, germany, england, france, brazil, argentina etc you get the point, countries that always participate in the world cup should be given more of a chance since them hosting the world cup wont seem as though they're just trying to be in the world cup (since host nations are in no matter what, they dont have to qualify)

Turkey was good 4 years ago, but they have not yet shown consitency neither.

South Africa which is the next host nation, showed consistency before, but i dont know if they should have gotten the 2010 bid...It doesn't seem fair (but an African country had to eventually get it, and South Africa would probably be economically ready and thats why they prob got it)

Tambien existe la posibilidad de hacerlo entre los 5 paises que fueron libertados por El Libertador Simon Bolivar, los cuales son (COLOMBIA, PERU, BOLIVIA, VENEZUELA Y ECUADOR).

Saludos.

Tambien existe la posibilidad de hacerlo entre los 5 paises que fueron libertado por El Libertador Simon Bolivar, los cuales son (COLOMBIA, PERU, BOLIVIA, VENEZUELA Y ECUADOR).

Saludos.

as Selcuk already said
FIFA is against Two-Countries-Bids! ;)
and 2018 will be in England to 90% :D

Turkey and Greece should bid (alone) for the EURO first.
All these are fairy tales. FIFA is not against anything. Also England won't have anything, they already had Olympics. There are many countries in the world. Not only a few country, Olympics for them, World Cup for them, Euro for them. Why do we join then...Enough is enough...

the south of Korea is very close to Honsu island in Japan :sly:

Google earth makes it around 110 miles compaired to 100 between Greece an southern Italy.

No i doubt it, Europe has plenty of countries with huge stadiums. Look at Germany and how many stadiums they have, Turkey has a few big stadiums Greece only has one. It's just not enough.

Other countries like Italy, Germany, England, France etc are better qualified than these countries. I don't even think the Balkans alltogether can manage a world cup better that these countries.
A you should research and learn more about us. Turkey is a construction giant. It's so easy to build anything here. Also cheaper than another country. For example if Allianz Arena was in Turkey, construction would cost 40% cheaper. Look Fenerbahçe Sükrü Saraçoğlu stadium almost the half of any stadium in Germany. But better than some of World Cup stadiums, equal with the majority, worse than only 3 World Cup stadiums of Germany.

So what i'm saying is that countries like italy, germany, england, france, brazil, argentina etc you get the point, countries that always participate in the world cup should be given more of a chance since them hosting the world cup wont seem as though they're just trying to be in the world cup (since host nations are in no matter what, they dont have to qualify)

While in reality the facts dicatate that only the larger wealthier nations can host WCs, it's BS to say that no one else should because they are not "consistent".

If they put forward a good bid, then they derserve the shot. The alternative is to shuttle the WC between the same nations. This sucks. FIFA is supposed to promote the development of football in different places and help facilitate better infrastructure for it.

Right, I'm gonna cut right through all the crap here and say, as far as the topic in this thread goes, it is absolute nonsense, for two main reasons:

-Italy has already hosted the world cup fairly recently (1990) and will not be getting it for quite some time!

-FIFA does not like joint bids, especially when there are single bids available, and especially when the two countries bdding arn't even land-locked together!

And that's that!

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Greece cannot host a WC. Even a joint bid IMO would not be logical, forget about hosting it alone.

Greece-Italy would have all kinds of logistical problems. Plus Italy can host it alone. Even Portugal cannot host a WC. To big and to expensive. I mean they could, just as Greece could, but it makes no sense and afterwards would be alot of empty seats.

Right, I'm gonna cut right through all the crap here and say, as far as the topic in this thread goes, it is absolute nonsense, for two main reasons:

-Italy has already hosted the world cup fairly recently (1990) and will not be getting it for quite some time!

-FIFA does not like joint bids, especially when there are single bids available, and especially when the two countries bdding arn't even land-locked together!

And that's that!

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Erm, you're not cutting through anything!

Merely repeating what I wrote a page back....and that didn't put a stop to the debate either!

^ I wish you Brits would have took this confident and positive attitude for the 2004 games, instead of freaking out and treating Athens as if it was Baghdad.

Don't know what you're talking about.

Think you'll find that more British fans travelled to the Olympics than from any other nation. Huge numbers of Brits attended the various events.

You need to learn to ignore the excesses of the British tabloid press. We all do!

What I don't understand is the problem against joint bid. Korea and Japan did a good job didn't they. and the EC 2000 in Belgium and the Netherlands wasn't that bad was it?
is there a special/comercial reasion that the Fifa is against these bids?
I think nor Turkey nor Greece can/should do this on it's one, because I think it would be to much asked of those countries, maybe I underastemate here, but that is just the feeling I have.

Joint bids means that two of the qualifying places (instead of one) are already taken up by the host countries.

Try telling that to the mother of that innocent Brazilian guy. I hope it doesn't happen, but unfortunately I think we're in for a security nightmare in London. Govts may have to prepare travel warnings. No doubt terrorists are scum, but unfortunately nothing can guarantee they won't act. We have to get to the root of the problem to really stop it.

Terrorist groups intent on maximising their publicity by bombing a World Cup event won't care where it is held.

Publicity and terror is their aim and bombing a World Cup event in Australia, China, Brazil, Greece or Turkey would make as many worldwide headlines as bombing a World Cup event in England.

So, with relation to the World Cup, England is no more a security threat than any other country.

Don't know what you're talking about.

Think you'll find that more British fans travelled to the Olympics than from any other nation. Huge numbers of Brits attended the various events.

You need to learn to ignore the excesses of the British tabloid press. We all do!


Do you have any statistics to back that up?


I didn't run into a whole lot of British people. And anyway, it would have been easier to ignore the press, had many of the people who read the press not took it and ran with it to seemingly rub in our faces. :) (you may not know what I am talking about, however I personally did not forget it)

All these are fairy tales. FIFA is not against anything. Also England won't have anything, they already had Olympics. There are many countries in the world. Not only a few country, Olympics for them, World Cup for them, Euro for them. Why do we join then...Enough is enough...

1. The Olympics will be held in one city. The World Cup is an event that encompasses a whole nation (or two, in 2002).

2. The IOC and FIFA are completely different organisations. A decision made by one organisation has no bearing on a decision made by the other. You might just as well say, since London will host the 2012 Olympics, that England cannot hold the 2013 Eurovision song contest; or that Birmingham cannot be voted the 2014 European City of Culture; or that the UK cannot host a summit meeting of G8 leaders in 2015!

Do you have any statistics to back that up?


I didn't run into a whole lot of British people. And anyway, it would have been easier to ignore the press, had many of the people who read the press not took it and ran with it to seemingly rub in our faces. :) (you may not know what I am talking about, however I personally did not forget it)

I don't have statistics but I do remember remarks by IOC officials who said that one of the deciding factors in London's successful bid was that they had been very impressed by the huge number of British fans who attended the Olympics.

And yes, I I think I do know what you're talking about. And it seems to me that you're making the classic error of thinking that a few British people making disparaging remarks about Athens 2004 - on a message board that is completely unknown to 99.999% of the British population - represent our entire nation. Nothing could be further from the truth. Take it from me. Hardly anyone in Britain (barring a few journos - who make a living out of writing negative stories) gave a monkeys about security at Athens 2004.

The IOC say alot of things, especially when they want themselves/there dealings to look good. I am not saying you are a lier or anything, however it was not my experience. Could very well be the case, I don't know.


Generally, no, the average person didn't care. However, they were definately effected by the media which in turn effected how they viewed the games. I was in both America and England in the build up to the games, and in my dealings and conversation (and with business partners while there) there was a general fear much higher than was needed, many to the point where they said they wouldn't go anywhere near Athens in 2004. I wonder if the same attitude will be for London in 2012? Somehow I don't think so. So it's not so easy to seperate media and the people. And excusing both the media and the "idiots" on the internet forums isn't exactly a great excuse for me. Unfortunately those are two of the biggest mouthpieces to be heard. Even though I do acknowledge most in England probably did not really give a crap about the games, especially since it had no bearing on their lives.

Generally, no, the average person didn't care. However, they were definately effected by the media which in turn effected how they viewed the games. I was in both America and England in the build up to the games, and in my dealings and conversation (and with business partners while there) there was a general fear much higher than was needed, many to the point where they said they wouldn't go anywhere near Athens in 2004. I wonder if the same attitude will be for London in 2012? Somehow I don't think so. So it's not so easy to seperate media and the people. And excusing both the media and the "idiots" on the internet forums isn't exactly a great excuse for me. Unfortunately those are two of the biggest mouthpieces to be heard. Even though I do acknowledge most in England probably did not really give a crap about the games, especially since it had no bearing on their lives.

As I said, take it from me: hardly anyone in Britain gave a monkeys about the 2004 Games until the fortnight of the Games actually started. Media coverage of security issues in Athens before the Games went almost entirely unnoticed by the vast majority of people - and entirely unheeded by those few who did notice. I doubt that there were more than a handful of people who decided not to go on the back the negative reports.

Joint bids means that two of the qualifying places (instead of one) are already taken up by the host countries.
Two Hosts should play off and the winner gets automotically through....easy fixed. :)

then if the other host doesnt make it?

1. The Olympics will be held in one city. The World Cup is an event that encompasses a whole nation (or two, in 2002).

2. The IOC and FIFA are completely different organisations. A decision made by one organisation has no bearing on a decision made by the other. You might just as well say, since London will host the 2012 Olympics, that England cannot hold the 2013 Eurovision song contest; or that Birmingham cannot be voted the 2014 European City of Culture; or that the UK cannot host a summit meeting of G8 leaders in 2015!
don't worry, i know... It's not important if Olympics will be held in one city. Olympics and WC are two most important organizations of the planet and and Olympics will be held in England although it is in one city or not. It's in England. ;Also footnall games at the Olympics are nationwide, not only in the same city.

Also FIFA and IOC have coordination, although they are independent organizations. Otherwise the IOC wouldn't ask important if the host city or country organized any event before and wich events they are.

England WC1960, Euro 1996, Olympics 2012. Why again WC for England? England is not only country wich can host such events. Other countries can do very well...

Who'll host 2014 then?

England WC1960, Euro 1996, Olympics 2012. Why again WC for England? England is not only country wich can host such events. Other countries can do very well...

Of course.

But, I repeat: FIFA and the IOC are two entirely separate organisations and the World Cup and the Olympic Games are two entirely different events. Each organisation may know what the other is doing. They may well consult. But they will not - absolutely not - make their decisions on which country will host the World Cup or which city will host the Olympic Games on the basis of what the other organisation has decided.

Countries like the USA, Italy and Germany have all hosted the Olympics, the Winter Olympics and the World Cup in recent years - in the case of the US, on more than one occasion. The latter two have also hosted the European Championship. France has hosted the World Cup, the winter Olympics and the European Championship.

Japan hosted the winter Olympics in 1998 and the World Cup in 2002. Mexico hosted the Olympics in 1968 and the World Cup only two years later. They then hosted the World Cup again in 1986. Germany hosted the Olympics in 1972 and the World Cup only two years later. The USA hosted the World Cup in 1994 and the Olympics only two years later. Spain hosted the World Cup in 1982 and the Olympics in 1992. South Korea hosted the Olympics in 1988 and the World Cup in 2002.

You're saying that all these countries can but now England can't? Complete and utter nonsense!

P.S. I'm well aware that some football matches during the 2012 Olympics will be played outside London. For some reason, that's what the IOC wanted. But honestly, you're being pedantic in the extreme. Those football matches will constitute about 0.00001% of the overall sporting events of the 2012 Olympics. I repeat: the Olympics is an event that is awarded to a City, not a country.

Who'll host 2014 then?

Brazil, so long as they get their act together.

Otherwise, another South American country, if it is ready. Failing that, as a last resort, it will go to USA or Mexico.

Brazil, so long as they get their act together.

Otherwise, another South American country, if it is ready. Failing that, as a last resort, it will go to USA or Mexico.

Interesting...but what makes you so sure? I'd love to see a WC in Brazil, but do you think they have sufficient standards of infrastructure and stadia as well as the money to carry out any necessary upgrades etc?

Anywhere is S/A would be a super location though, IMO.

I suppose they will decide around 2008-9ish?

Interesting...but what makes you so sure? I'd love to see a WC in Brazil, but do you think they have sufficient standards of infrastructure and stadia as well as the money to carry out any necessary upgrades etc?

Anywhere is S/A would be a super location though, IMO.

I suppose they will decide around 2008-9ish?

Possible problems with infrastructure and stadia are the only reason why it is not yet 100% certain to be Brazil.

In every other respect, Brazil is the preferred choice. FIFA have already said that the 2014 tournament will be held in South America (the continent hasn't hosted the World Cup since 1978). And the South American confederation (CONMEBOL) has already unanimously backed Brazil as their choice. They are, after all, THE great football nation and they haven't hosted the tournament since 1950.

Provided that Brazil can convince FIFA that they will have made the necessary improvements to stadia and infrastructure by 2014, they will be announced hosts in 2008 (the decision is usually made six years before the tournament).

Possible problems with infrastructure and stadia are the only reason why it is not yet 100% certain to be Brazil.

In every other respect, Brazil is the preferred choice. FIFA have already said that the 2014 tournament will be held in South America (the continent hasn't hosted the World Cup since 1978). And the South American confederation (CONMEBOL) has already unanimously backed Brazil as their choice. They are, after all, THE great football nation and they haven't hosted the tournament since 1950.

Provided that Brazil can convince FIFA that they will have made the necessary improvements to stadia and infrastructure by 2014, they will be announced hosts in 2008 (the decision is usually made six years before the tournament).

You're so right! So many things I didn't even consider before, like 1) S/A havent hosted a WC since 1978, 2) no Brazil WC since 1950, etc etc

Well, it seems highly likely to be held in Brazil then.

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Of course.

But, I repeat: FIFA and the IOC are two entirely separate organisations and the World Cup and the Olympic Games are two entirely different events. Each organisation may know what the other is doing. They may well consult. But they will not - absolutely not - make their decisions on which country will host the World Cup or which city will host the Olympic Games on the basis of what the other organisation has decided.

Countries like the USA, Italy and Germany have all hosted the Olympics, the Winter Olympics and the World Cup in recent years - in the case of the US, on more than one occasion. The latter two have also hosted the European Championship. France has hosted the World Cup, the winter Olympics and the European Championship.

Japan hosted the winter Olympics in 1998 and the World Cup in 2002. Mexico hosted the Olympics in 1968 and the World Cup only two years later. They then hosted the World Cup again in 1986. Germany hosted the Olympics in 1972 and the World Cup only two years later. The USA hosted the World Cup in 1994 and the Olympics only two years later. Spain hosted the World Cup in 1982 and the Olympics in 1992. South Korea hosted the Olympics in 1988 and the World Cup in 2002.

You're saying that all these countries can but now England can't? Complete and utter nonsense!

P.S. I'm well aware that some football matches during the 2012 Olympics will be played outside London. For some reason, that's what the IOC wanted. But honestly, you're being pedantic in the extreme. Those football matches will constitute about 0.00001% of the overall sporting events of the 2012 Olympics. I repeat: the Olympics is an event that is awarded to a City, not a country.
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I was going to respond to Kuvvaci's comments untill I saw this, which basically says every thing I would have said! It isn't a case of England 'getting everything', it just so happens that London hasn't hosted the Olympics in ages and it put up the best bid and rightfully won the 2012 games, and it just so happens that England has not hosted the WC in 40 years (52 years by the time 2018 rolls around) and has every right to host the WC if they have the best bid. Don't start this nonsense of "England is not only country wich can host such events. Other countries can do very well..." cus that's just idiotic! Of course other countries can host events very well, it's not like England is trying to steal every event under the sun, I mean when was the last time you can remember that London/England had the Olympics/WC....you probably can't cus it was so long ago! It's just 2 events, seperated by a space of 6 years! Plenty of other countries have hosted the WC and Olympics in quicker succession!

If anything, the Olmpics could work in England's favour to show how great we are at hosting big tournaments!

Where were we anyway...oh yer, Greece/turkey....no chance! :D

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Erm, you're not cutting through anything!

Merely repeating what I wrote a page back....and that didn't put a stop to the debate either!
Hey, gimme a break here ok? I was trying to sum up very briefly what no-one seems to have taken into account over the past few pages.

But you're right, it still probably won't stop this futile debate....

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Why is there 2 of these threads?

oh Greece / italy
ignore what I said in the greece/turkey thread

can some1 stop this absolutely ridiculous debate

Where would you want to see the 2014 and 2018 fifa world cups take place? Give a few reasons as to why you think your home nation or any nation for that matter should host the biggest and most watched sporting even in the world.