Boca more international titles because less competition
Largest crowd ever FA Cup White Horse Final, 250,000
England, birth of footbll
Maradona is actually the bloke out of fantasy island who shouted hey boss the plane (only the Argentinians could worship a fat cheat)

Making friends again, yokel?

Judging by crowd size/energy/noise, I'd give South America the edge in "passion" over Europe, but I'm just an impartial American that's jealous of both.

Are "continent vs. continent" threads banned?

Passion won't do anything for FIFA, quite the opposite, the calmer and more controlled the crowd are the better for them.

Climbing fences, smoke bombs, fireworks, jumping up and down = not good.

^^ But all of the above = quite a boring World Cup, however good the football is.

Passion won't do anything for FIFA, quite the opposite, the calmer and more controlled the crowd are the better for them.

Climbing fences, smoke bombs, fireworks, jumping up and down = not good.

wasn't there a riot just a couple of days ago that resulted in one person dead?

I didn´t know that... So thanks for the info!

Don't forget all stadia have to able to accomodate a pitch that is 68m wide and then there must be an at least an additional 6m space to the stand to the side and then 7.5 behind the goal.

Can all NFL venue's comply with these regulations? As American Football pitches are 48.8m wide, so you are looking at least 12.6 metres of space each side of the sideline on both sides. Of particular interest to me is the distance to the stand by the corner flag. I remember a game in the Giants Stadium where England played a couple of years ago and when taking a corner the player virtually had his back against the stadium wall, that simply wouldn't be allowed in a World Cup.

Certainly not all 32 stadiums could, but not even the Premeirship has all of their stadiums up to that field requirement. An NFL field is 48.8m wide, but there is always a wide gap along both sidelines (I would guess a good 12m wide for most NFL facilities, usually narrower in older collegiate facilities) for each teams benches and officials, many would meet the FIFA standard. A few of the older and more elliptical bowls narrow to much at the corners, but most would be fine. Places such as U of Phoenix stadium, new Soldier Field, Qwest Field and Reliant stadium were built with international football in mind.
Some of the stadium, although very few would have 7.5m behind each end, most allow 4-5m. If FIFA really wants that much space (I don't see a real need for it, camera men, officials, and subs warming up wont use up that much) I would guess a row or two could be removed. Also Giants stadium in all likelyhood will be gone by 2018, replaced by a new $1,000,000,000+ stadium in the same area, that would take a football pitch much better. At any rate most NFL stadiums can handle an regulation 105-68m pitch fine, even if they don't have canyon like gap similar to Wembley around the pitch. Out of Curiosity did every German stadium meet the space requirement? It seem like some of them fit the pitch tighter than 6 and 7.5m (Signal Iduna, Allianz, Fritz-Walter).

Kind of an early thread, don't you think. Anyway, I think it should be somewhere in eastern Europe, like Greece-Bulgaria joint bid :yes:

Kind of an early thread, don't you think. Anyway, I think it should be somewhere in eastern Europe, like Greece-Bulgaria joint bid :yes:

Or, Ukraine - Belarus.:)

Surley England have to get it by that time it would have been more than 50 years since we held the world cup. And i rekon a British bid could be interesting with the likes of Hampden, Ibrox, Parkhead and the Millenium Stadium hosting games.

Surley England have to get it by that time it would have been more than 50 years since we held the world cup. And i rekon a British bid could be interesting with the likes of Hampden, Ibrox, Parkhead and the Millenium Stadium hosting games.

Why do people keep harping on about this, a british bid will never happen! England 2018 will do.

This are some of the best stadiums in Argentina te problem is that most of them are located in Buenos Aires:
Small Stadiums, second division:



http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/2531/tigretx0.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Tigre Atletic Club (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club_Atl%C3%A9tico_Tigre), Tigre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tigre%2C_Buenos_Aires), Buenos Aires Province (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buenos_Aires_Province).

Monumental de Victoria Stadium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estadio_Monumental_de_Victoria).

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/3788/platealocal2we0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/4448/laterallocal2by8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/4664/almagrologocc7.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Almagro (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club_Almagro), Buenos Aires Province. 3 de Febrero Stadium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estadio_Almagro).

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/8761/est1ai3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/6232/est8lf1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/8942/quilmesaczt2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Quilmes Atletic Club (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quilmes_Club_Atl%C3%A9tico), Quilmes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quilmes), Buenos Aires province. José Luis Meiszner Stadium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estadio_Dr._Jos%C3%A9_Luis_Meiszner)

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/3375/92809quilmesnj4pi2mv1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/8494/92813quilmes2wb4or8nj7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Second Division but not small stadium:


http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/2577/huracantafq0.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Huracán Atletic Club (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club_Atl%C3%A9tico_Hurac%C3%A1n), Buenos Aires city (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buenos_Aires). Tomás Adolfo Ducó Stadium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estadio_Tom%C3%A1s_Adolfo_Duc%C3%B3), capacity 48.314 spectators.

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/82/huracan20nudp8me9dz9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/706/91094huracan3uo0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/5338/91098huracan4cu1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Municipality:


Chateau Carreras Stadium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estadio_Chateau_Carreras), capacity for 46,083 spectators, Córdoba City (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C3%B3rdoba%2C_Argentina), Córdoba Province (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C3%B3rdoba_Province_%28Argentina%29).

http://img462.imageshack.us/img462/7090/th93411cordobaolimpicodg1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Race:

http://img477.imageshack.us/img477/7559/canchabelgranoep3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/9609/800pxestadiocordobaes0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/6189/img0266do5jm3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Único de La Plata Stadium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estadio_Ciudad_de_La_Plata), capacity for 40,000 spectators, La Plata (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Plata%2C_Argentina), Buenos Aires Province.

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/5769/93bi1ve2tx0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/6726/bocavsgimtg9pg4ww2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/9871/estudiantesdo7du3ht2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/1186/laplataciudad1pc2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/5669/laplataciudad2fk4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Mar del Plata Olimpic Stadium, Mar del Plata (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mar_Del_Plata), Buenos Aires Province:

http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/249/2119789idtm8yi6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Salta Stadium, Salta Province (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salta_Province). Capacity for 20.480 spectators.

http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/9974/270dqgk5et2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/2672/saltamartearena1dr1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/9489/saltamartearena2ec2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Malvinas Argentinas Stadium (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estadio_Malvinas_Argentinas) (Argentine Falklands), capacity 40,000. Mendoza Province (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provincia_de_Mendoza).

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/6170/91689mendozaja2no2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/5454/mendozamalvinas1uy0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/6720/mendozamalvinas2yf9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

First Division:


http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/2375/bocajuniorslogo2006ih4.png (http://imageshack.us)

Boca Juniors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boca_Juniors), La Bombonera Stadium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estadio_Alberto_J._Armando), capacity 57.935 spectators. Buenos Aires City.

http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/8443/91357labombonera3ry8ea5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/7647/91362labombonera4un8oe0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/3695/bomboneracc7ik1tz0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

"AL PALO"

http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/859/labomboneraxo5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/2336/argentinosjuniorsbo6.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Argentinos Juniors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentinos_Juniors), Diego Armando Maradona Stadium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estadio_Diego_Armando_Maradona), capacity 24.800 spectators, Buenos Aires City.

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/7295/92905argentinosvw7tf0sv9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/7343/92910argentinos2aj1pd2tq0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/8412/sarsfieldql6.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Vélez Sársfield (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club_Atl%C3%A9tico_V%C3%A9lez_S%C3%A1rsfield), José Amalfitani Stadium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estadio_Jos%C3%A9_Amalfitani), capacity 49,540 spectators. Buenos Aires City.

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/663/103dscb4xk2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/2268/57qo9vk4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)



http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/218/riverplatelogokr6.png (http://imageshack.us)

River Plate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club_Atl%C3%A9tico_River_Plate), Monumental Stadium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estadio_Monumental_Antonio_V._Liberti), capacity 65,645 spectators. Buenos Aires City.

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/310/miedificioxdiq2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/5426/372nqtq5ce0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/7541/monumentalas7ge9vs5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)



http://img465.imageshack.us/img465/7659/racingclubdeavellanedaeu2.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Racing Club (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racing_Club_de_Avellaneda), Juan Domingo Perón Stadium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estadio_Juan_Domingo_Per%C3%B3n), capacity 50,000 spectators. Avellaneda (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avellaneda), Buenos Aires Province.

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/6492/racingnn6vo3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/920/avellanedaperon1er6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/2965/avellanedaperon2lz9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/5339/caindependientelogowi5.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Independiente Atletic Club (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club_Atletico_Independiente), Avellaneda, Buenos Aires Province. Stadium Destroyed.

Renders future Stadium "Libertadores de América",52000 all-seated, under construction (Thread (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=385004)):

http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/8913/segundaetapa369vj1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/1787/etapaposterior369yc5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/5738/369etapaposteriorip4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/2906/sanlorenzo79x90du1.gif (http://imageshack.us)


San Lorenzo Atletic Club (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club_Atl%C3%A9tico_San_Lorenzo), Estadio Pedro Bidegain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estadio_Pedro_Bidegain), capacity 43, 494 spectators. Buenos Aires City.

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/2919/buenosairesbidegain1mv0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/8766/861imggaleriamn2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/1004/100pxrosariocentralpresgs9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Rosario Central Atletic Club (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club_Atl%C3%A9tico_Rosario_Central), Gigante de Arroyito Stadium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estadio_Gigante_de_Arroyito), capacity 41,654 spectators. Rosario (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosario), Santa Fe Province (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Fe_Province).

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/743/gigante026al8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/5273/gigante025bi1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/3171/telones037iz5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/4241/soldboyslogosz5.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Newell's Old Boys (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newells_Old_Boys), The Colossus of the Park Stadium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estadio_Newell%27s_Old_Boys), capacity 42,000 spectators. Rosario, Santa Fe Province.

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/7318/colosoyx4hh9bk4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/7123/newellsoldboysa5zmnj3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/7915/niuls8cqyy6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/4718/100pxestudiantesdelaplauh1.png (http://imageshack.us)

Estudiantes de La Plata (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estudiantes_de_La_Plata) (current Champion), La Plata, Buenos Aires Province. Stadium Destroy.

Renders new stadium under construction (Thread (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=395885)):

http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/2076/laplatahirschi21nmuw9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/5425/005lf3fn5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/2858/006jt9dx6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Hope you like them...thanks to Leandrix

^^ But all of the above = quite a boring World Cup, however good the football is.

True. But in todays day and age, its quite often passion gets run over by money. Especially in Fifas eyes anyways.

Why do people keep harping on about this, a british bid will never happen! England 2018 will do.

Yeah. Some folks just don't seem to want to accept it though. A bit like the Aussie 2018 thing - a lot of us accept that the odds are too heavilly stacked (for now), but there's still plenty who'll keep rolling out AFL/cricket venues and saying "surely FIFA would bend the rules", etc., in order to get around the lack of major cities in Oz.

England 2018, unless FIFA opts for the rotation, in which case China or the USA (depending which continent is next on the list).

Caborn eyes 'formidable' 2018 bid (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/6258448.stm)

Gordon Brown is already backing a possible bid. Brilliant :)

What about Australias crap increase in the world rankings. When we defeated Uraguay to get into the world cup, I was sure that we would a move up more spaces then they did, but they had a greater increase than us. I do believe you need to be in the top 32 nations to host the world cup due to automatic entry for host policy.


I don't think you have to be in the top 32 nations to host.

South Africa is currently 57th. They were in the top 32 in August 2003 though, so maybe they were at the time the bid was awarded.

Kind of an early thread, don't you think. Anyway, I think it should be somewhere in eastern Europe, like Greece-Bulgaria joint bid :yes:

I started an identical thread in November 2006! My aim was to collect all the news/pictures in one uber-thread before 2018.

As for Eastern Europe... I'm sorry but if FIFA want the tournament in Europe they will go for England or Spain.

Gordon Brown is already backing a possible bid. Brilliant :)

Heres hoping FIFA dont mess this up:)

If Spain would throw in a bid, England might start to swett, if not, they will get it easely...

If Spain would throw in a bid, England might start to swett, if not, they will get it easely...

But Spain has hosted it more recently then England, so its England's turn.

But Spain has hosted it more recently then England, so its England's turn.

Germany have had it twice since England last hosted...

That said, I still believe the most likely European host would be England.

Germany have had it twice since England last hosted...

That said, I still believe the most likely European host would be England.

The fact that West Germany hosted it in 74 and a united Germany in 06 had alot to do with that I'd guess.

I wouldnt be supprized if the Spainish went for euro 2016 and bartered a mutual support agreement with the FA.

I wouldnt be supprized if the Spainish went for euro 2016 and bartered a mutual support agreement with the FA.

I'd settle for that.

I've added the two new Liverpool stadiums to the first page in the England bid:
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y281/gherkin007/WC2018/LFC.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y281/gherkin007/WC2018/Evertron.jpg

Can people please post pics of propsoed stadia that I can add to page one! Especially China, as there are plenty of new stadia that are not featured at all.

For Spain you can remove Gipuzkoarena, it won't be built.

But you can add the New San Mames in Bilbao, Cap is 56'000.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d95/borji_taz6/3.jpg


There are also plans for the expansion of Estadio Manuel Ruiz de Lopera in Sevilla, the cap is also going to be increased but I don't know any numbers.

http://www.mushobetis.com/images/maqueta%20estadio.bmp


The stadium of Sevilla FC is also going to be expanded to 50'000 or 60'000, but there are already two potential cities with 2 stadiums so I guess it won't be used anyways.

Gherkin007 you could also update the st james park one and put in that photoshopped pic going around as it will be 60,000 by then

perth stadium (perth, australia) either 60,000 or 70,000 depending on the expansion. hopefully completed by 2012, depending on how quick the government acts.

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/5618/subigw0.jpg
http://www.dsr.wa.gov.au/dsrwr/_assets/main/lib60084/KANGPAW.jpg
http://www.dsr.wa.gov.au/dsrwr/_assets/main/lib60084/Internal_RUGBY.jpg

Done and done. Thanks guys! I'm looking for that St. James's Park pic now.

Here are some more stadiums in England that might get put in the 2018 bid. Please add to the 1st page if you want I have no idea how to do that.

Birmingham, expanded Villa Park 51,000 by 2012 for Olympics.

(Its the stand on the left that has changed)

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d157/Ginola90/newstand.jpg

What Villa Park currrently looks like:

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/united_kingdom/england/west_midlands/birmingham_villa_park1.jpg


Portsmouth, New Stadium 36,000 (hopefully add 4000 extra seats for W.C) built by 2011, costs £600m but this includes redeveloping area and stadium

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m6/markbewsey/pompey3.jpg

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m6/markbewsey/pompey2.jpg

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m6/markbewsey/pompey1.jpg

http://www.pompeyfc.premiumtv.co.uk/javaImages/e5/a1/0,,10396~3187173,00.jpg


Nottingham, Nottingham Forest new stadium 40,000-50,000 built by 2014 cost £40m-£45m

http://www.building.co.uk/Pictures/web/n/o/p/notts_forest_2.jpg

http://www.building.co.uk/Pictures/web/i/q/o/notts_forest_1.jpg

wow.... England, Australia and Spain many new stadium!! I very jealous!! I hope i want Belgium/The Netherlands for vote!! :gaah:

wow.... England, Australia and Spain many new stadium!! I very jealous!! I hope i want Belgium/The Netherlands for vote!! :gaah:Thanks for your support, but it will be hard for us to compete against Spain, England...

I might have explained this before, but what the h*ll.

The Belgian Euro 2000 Tournament Manager, Alain Courtois, is a fierce supporter of a joint Belgian/Dutch World Cup bid for 2018. He now has the support of the Dutch national team manager Marco Van Basten and Dutch prime minister Balkenende. A World Cup 2018 Office recently opened in Antwerp, a Belgian city very popular among Dutch shoppers and tourists. Unfortunately, Blatter doesn't want another joint bid after Japan and South Korea, although you can't compare that to the situation of Belgium and The Netherlands.

There is still a very long way to go:

We need 8 to 10 stadiums. 2 with a 60,000+ capacity.
Feyenoord Rotterdam will build a new Kuip (75.000)
Ajax might expand their Arena to 60,000
Anderlecht (Brussels) wants to move to a new 50,000-60,000 seater by 2013
Bruges has plans for a new stadium with 40,000 seats by 2011
Standard (Liège) will build a new stadium (40,000) by 2012
The city of Antwerp is brainstorming about a common stadium for both arch rivals Antwerp FC and Germinal Beerschot (an idea that goes back more than 15 years already)
And finally, some Dutch clubs like Groningen and Twente also have plans for major expansions.

The most concrete plans for a stadium suited to host a World Cup are to be found in Bruges:
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g2/De_Snor/stadionux9.jpg

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/4917/image1lh5.png

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d157/Ginola90/newstand.jpg

http://www.building.co.uk/Pictures/web/n/o/p/notts_forest_2.jpg

http://www.building.co.uk/Pictures/web/i/q/o/notts_forest_1.jpg

:eek: Where did you find those images? They are all new to me! I don't expect Villa Park to be used if the City of Birmingham Stadium goes ahead. I'd like more set-in-stone information about the Nottingham Forest ground too before I include it... and there has been no information that suggests the Portsmouth ground to ever expand to over 40,000 so I won't include that one yet. Sorry! Feel free to argue. ;)

:eek: Where did you find those images? They are all new to me! I don't expect Villa Park to be used if the City of Birmingham Stadium goes ahead. I'd like more set-in-stone information about the Nottingham Forest ground too before I include it... and there has been no information that suggests the Portsmouth ground to ever expand to over 40,000 so I won't include that one yet. Sorry! Feel free to argue. ;)

I havent kept up on recently devolpments that often but last I heard the City of Birmingham Stadium seemed to be dead in the water.

4,000 seats(although I'd guess very slightly less than 40K capacity would not be a massive problem) in a new Portsmouth stadium could probabley be achieved without a major redesign. If it was built then it seems an obvious choice given the lack of alternatives in that part of the country.

As we saw in Germany were a perfectly good brand new 50K seat stadium was left unused in the west in favour of a much smaller/old one with a track in the east having a good geographical spread is important.

London - Wembley & Emirates
North West - Old Trafford & New Anfield
North East - St James Park & Stadium of Light
Midlands - Villa Park & New Nottingham Stadium
South West - Portsmouth & New Bristol Stadium

Add in another couple of new/redevolped stadiums from Ipswich, Norwich, Leeds or Sheffield plus maybe the Millenium Stadium(espeically if Bristol can't come up with a 40k ground) and I think you've got close to what the FA's ideal bid would be.

I havent kept up on recently devolpments that often but last I heard the City of Birmingham Stadium seemed to be dead in the water.

4,000 seats(although I'd guess very slightly less than 40K capacity would not be a massive problem) in a new Portsmouth stadium could probabley be achieved without a major redesign. If it was built then it seems an obvious choice given the lack of alternatives in that part of the country.

As we saw in Germany were a perfectly good brand new 50K seat stadium was left unused in the west in favour of a much smaller/old one with a track in the east having a good geographical spread is important.

London - Wembley & Emirates
North West - Old Trafford & New Anfield
North East - St James Park & Stadium of Light
Midlands - Villa Park & New Nottingham Stadium
South West - Portsmouth & New Bristol Stadium

Add in another couple of new/redevolped stadiums from Ipswich, Norwich, Leeds or Sheffield plus maybe the Millenium Stadium(espeically if Bristol can't come up with a 40k ground) and I think you've got close to what the FA's ideal bid would be.

How many times??!!!:gaah:

its in wales!!

How many times??!!!:gaah:

its in wales!!

It is in a rather unique position though as Wales is politically part of the UK and the stadium itself is now strongly associated from english football. You'd probabley have both westminster and the welsh assembley pushing for it to be used aslong as it didnt represent a handicap to the bid due to the economic benefits it would bring.

I'd expect the Welsh to welcome the Millennium stadium being used in the English bid! It would be a great boost for hotels/shops in Cardiff, and it's not like it's a long journey from England anyway... at about an hour from Bristol. Still, I really can't see politicians or FIFA sharing the same view though.

For the record, I'm pretty biased as the Millennium Stadium is an easy train journey from me. I would prefer to watch a match at the Millennium Stadium to any stadium in Birmingham at the tournament, purely due to ease of travel on my behalf. I haven't included it in the english bid because 1) it isn't in England and 2) FIFA are unlikely to allow it.

It is in a rather unique position though as Wales is politically part of the UK and the stadium itself is now strongly associated from english football. You'd probabley have both westminster and the welsh assembley pushing for it to be used aslong as it didnt represent a handicap to the bid due to the economic benefits it would bring.

Nope. It's part of the Welsh F.A., and the Welsh F.A. is very definately a separate entity so far as FIFA is concerned (much to FIFA & UEFA's consternation). Millenium Stadium would NOT be used.

I'm still convinced that Pompey's design has been announced with the specific intent of 'forcing' the authorities to chip in the additional funds in order to expand the design to world cup status...

FA: Why not make it 40k and we can include it in a World Cup bid?
Pompey: We only need 35k for our supporters.
FA: Oh, go on...
Pompey: Well, we'd do it but it'll cost us an extra 20 million and we can't afford that...
FA: How about if the Government and the FA chip in 10 million each..?
Pompey: Oh, okay then, if it'll help the world cup bid (ha ha ha, thanks for the free upgrade!)
FA:

:eek: Where did you find those images? They are all new to me! I don't expect Villa Park to be used if the City of Birmingham Stadium goes ahead. I'd like more set-in-stone information about the Nottingham Forest ground too before I include it... and there has been no information that suggests the Portsmouth ground to ever expand to over 40,000 so I won't include that one yet. Sorry! Feel free to argue. ;)

Hi Gherkin007, With Villa Park, its going to be part of the football tournament with other UK grounds for the 2012 Olympics. It will be expanded for this and I would have thought it would then go from a Uefa 4 star stadium, to a Uefa 5 star stadium, because its over the 50,000 capacity. I personaly prefer Villa Park to the new Birmingham stadium as it has more history and conforms to the traditional British ground, having 4 different sides.

I also like MoreOrLess, have not heard anything further about the City of Birmingham Stadium. Which might suggest that its not going to happen. However I have read that Birmingham really wants to host the World Championships in Athletics. This could happen in 2015 at the earliest, (doubtful though because of 2012 Olympics) but this would mean a new large athletics stadium for the tournament, with possibly Birmigham City F.C moving into it after. Now this could still be the same design or a new one I don't know. However I know the original design could change shape for football, concerts and cricket.

With Forests new proposed stadium all I know is from a couple of articles I have read. That Forest want it to be the East Midlands Super Stadium. With initially being 40,000 capacity but rising to 50,000, but it being designed with the 2018 World Cup in mind. Here is the article where I first read about it:
http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,2106867,00.html

With Portsmouths, well it looks amazing, it's set in the city centre by the coast, and it would be a massive shame they couldn't raise it by a few thousand seats for the minimum capacity. It beats the hell out of St Mary's stadium and would be a wonderful addition for our World Cup stadium portfolio.

Thanks for your support, but it will be hard for us to compete against Spain, England...

I might have explained this before, but what the h*ll.

The Belgian Euro 2000 Tournament Manager, Alain Courtois, is a fierce supporter of a joint Belgian/Dutch World Cup bid for 2018. He now has the support of the Dutch national team manager Marco Van Basten and Dutch prime minister Balkenende. A World Cup 2018 Office recently opened in Antwerp, a Belgian city very popular among Dutch shoppers and tourists. Unfortunately, Blatter doesn't want another joint bid after Japan and South Korea, although you can't compare that to the situation of Belgium and The Netherlands.

There is still a very long way to go:

We need 8 to 10 stadiums. 2 with a 60,000+ capacity.
Feyenoord Rotterdam will build a new Kuip (75.000)
Ajax might expand their Arena to 60,000
Anderlecht (Brussels) wants to move to a new 50,000-60,000 seater by 2013
Bruges has plans for a new stadium with 40,000 seats by 2011
Standard (Liège) will build a new stadium (40,000) by 2012
The city of Antwerp is brainstorming about a common stadium for both arch rivals Antwerp FC and Germinal Beerschot (an idea that goes back more than 15 years already)
And finally, some Dutch clubs like Groningen and Twente also have plans for major expansions.

The most concrete plans for a stadium suited to host a World Cup are to be found in Bruges:
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g2/De_Snor/stadionux9.jpg

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/4917/image1lh5.png

Oh....Thanks..!! but if i want 70,000 - 80,000 in Belgium?? have new update??

Not sure if I've mentioned this before - and I can't be bothered to read back through all the posts - but why isn't the Sunderland Stadium of Light amongst the English stadiums? 48200 seats.

Oh....Thanks..!! but if i want 70,000 - 80,000 in Belgium?? have new update??Without a World Cup, no single club in Belgium would even consider a 60,000-seater. One of the reasons Anderlecht want a 50,000 to 60,000 seater, and not just a 40,000 seater, is because they want to be able to host a CL final and/or WC (semi) final. Bruges and Liège want 40,000 because their attendances are growing, because they want more VIP facilities, because of difficulties with transportation and expansion at their current stadiums, and not the least, because in 2012 they will not be able to meet up to the new UEFA standards.

Up to the 1980's capacities of Belgian stadiums were a lot higher (before safety regulations, conversion to seats, stadium works...):
Bosuil Stadium in Antwerp: 60,000-70,000 seats
Emilé Versé/Constant Van Den Stock Stadium Anderlecht/Brussels: approx. 40,000
Olympiastadion Bruges: approx. 30,000
Sclessin/Maurice Dufrasne Stadium (Liège): approx. 40,000
Koning Boudewijn/Roi Baudouin Stadium, national stadium (formerly Heizel/Heysel): approx. 70,000
Stade des Trois Tilleuls (RC Brussels): 40,000-50,000
Stade Joseph Marien (Union St-Gilloise, Brussels): 40,000
Stade Rocourt (FC Liège): 40,000
...

Current:
National Stadium: 50,000
Bruges, Liège: 29,000-30,000
Charleroi: 25,000 (30,000 during Euro 2000)
Anderlecht: 28,000
Genk: 25,000

Current average attendance:
Bruges: 25,000
Anderlecht: 24,600
Genk: 22,200
Standard de Liège: 22,800
The other clubs are way behind (Charleroi is fifth with 11,400). But if you consider the circumstances - population, size and urbanization of the country; size and population of the cities were the majority of the first division teams play; stadium infrastructure, not one single 4 or 5 star stadium - the attendances are more than decent.

Not sure if I've mentioned this before - and I can't be bothered to read back through all the posts - but why isn't the Sunderland Stadium of Light amongst the English stadiums? 48200 seats.

Is this question to do with it not being on the first page of this thread? If so, I believe it was on the first page, but has recently got moved off because Everton's new larger ground replaced it.

Is this question to do with it not being on the first page of this thread? If so, I believe it was on the first page, but has recently got moved off because Everton's new larger ground replaced it.

I'd guess the Stadium of Light would be more likely to be used given the rules on 1 stadiums in one city rule and the relative lack of stadiums in the north east.

I'd guess the Stadium of Light would be more likely to be used given the rules on 1 stadiums in one city rule and the relative lack of stadiums in the north east.

I don't think the North East has a relative lack of stadiums. Newcastle's St James Park 52,387 rising to 60,000. Sunderland's Stadium of Light 49,000 could be expanded to 64,000, and finally Middlesbrough Riverside Stadium, 35,100 and could be expanded to 40,000+.

I don't think the North East has a relative lack of stadiums. Newcastle's St James Park 52,387 rising to 60,000. Sunderland's Stadium of Light 49,000 could be expanded to 64,000, and finally Middlesbrough Riverside Stadium, 35,100 and could be expanded to 40,000+.

I'v never heard anything about the Riverside being expanded and if it was I'm not sure Boro would need 45,000 which leaves two stadiums in the north east.

In the north west by comparason you have Old Trafford, New Anfield and the possiblility of new/redevolped stadiums in Leeds and Sheffield.

According to certain Redshite, Kirkby isn't liverpool, so Everton and the Redshite could have their grounds included. The New Everton ground has the possibility of filling the corners to 60,000+, but could feasably be expanded to 100,000+ due to lack of surroundings. :)

Sunderland is a tip BTW. ;) (That's meant for a certain Mackem mate of mine.)

In the north west by comparason you have Old Trafford, New Anfield and the possiblility of new/redevolped stadiums in Leeds and Sheffield.

Since when has Yorkshire been in the North-West?

In the north west by comparason you have Old Trafford, New Anfield and the possiblility of new/redevolped stadiums in Leeds and Sheffield.

Since when has Yorkshire been in the North-West?

If not technically in the north west their certainly close enough to Manchester/Liverpool to make a 5th stadium from that area less likely than a 2nd in the north east if you ask me. I'm not saying the Everton stadium definately wouldnt be used but its hard to see it being used ahead of the SOL.

Well I think population comes into it as well, for a small region of less than 3 million having three stadia which are all over 35,000 is impressive. I would hope that all our large cities should host one game. Certainly Sheffield, Manchester, Liverpool and Leeds, which are all in the top 10 or even 8 in size.

I don't think the North East has a relative lack of stadiums. Newcastle's St James Park 52,387 rising to 60,000. Sunderland's Stadium of Light 49,000 could be expanded to 64,000, and finally Middlesbrough Riverside Stadium, 35,100 and could be expanded to 40,000+.

I can't see the Stadium of Light or the Riverside Stadium being used unless there are serious budget problems with the English bid. Sunderland and Middlesborough just don't have enough tourist facilities and are not really cities that the FA would want to show off to the rest of the world... Smaller cities like Plymouth, Portsmouth, Bristol etc have lots of history and character to them that would go hand in hand with new stadia.

this is an amazing thread!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v178/JOVIMECARCH/firmauniversal.jpg

I'v never heard anything about the Riverside being expanded and if it was I'm not sure Boro would need 45,000 which leaves two stadiums in the north east.

In the north west by comparason you have Old Trafford, New Anfield and the possiblility of new/redevolped stadiums in Leeds and Sheffield.

Well yeah obviously if you compare it to the North West or London it won't have as many stadiums. However if you compare the North East to the South West of England or East Anglia, then the North East's stadiums are much larger and better quality. Also the Riverside has that dull bowl design and can be easily expanded, but I am not saying they are, i'm just saying it can.


I can't see the Stadium of Light or the Riverside Stadium being used unless there are serious budget problems with the English bid. Sunderland and Middlesborough just don't have enough tourist facilities and are not really cities that the FA would want to show off to the rest of the world... Smaller cities like Plymouth, Portsmouth, Bristol etc have lots of history and character to them that would go hand in hand with new stadia.

I totally agree with you can't see the Riverside being picked. Maybe SOL (although wouldn't be my choice for similar reasons to yours) as its large, but I doubt the government would want to help too many smaller clubs build new and larger stadiums. However I wouldn't call Bristol a small city, in terms of population Bristol's is bigger then Newcastle's and Sunderland's combined.

The thing with an English bid is that it's one of the few countries in the world which will have all the required stadia up to FIFA standards in advance of any bid for 2018 - thus needing no FA or Government investment in stadium facilities.

As to Sunderland - I lived there for 29 years, and it IS a tip... But that shouldn't effect a world cup bid. No disrespect intended but there's some pretty hideous cities in every bid. I'm sure our South African friends will be able to point out one or two cities in their bid which are less than spectacular.

Sunderland is only 25 minutes from Newcastle, if Newcastle has the tourism facilities and communications infrastructure, then it would be safe to say that Sunderland does as well... If Everton could claim Kirby to be a separate city, they'd still be using Liverpool's hotels and road/rail links.

End of the day, I've got no problem with one of the best purpose build stadiums in England not being used so long as it's not because the government splurged tax payers money on building a stadium in Bristol or Plymouth!

As for the list on the front page - if you're listing the best stadiums, then the SOL should be there rather than the City of Manchester (North West having 4 to the North East's 1 is just rediculous, 3 to 2 seems more fair).

End of the day, I've got no problem with one of the best purpose build stadiums in England not being used so long as it's not because the government splurged tax payers money on building a stadium in Bristol or Plymouth!

Plymouth isnt impossible I spose considering that there on the up recently and are in need of a new/redevolped stadium.

I can't see the Stadium of Light or the Riverside Stadium being used unless there are serious budget problems with the English bid. Sunderland and Middlesborough just don't have enough tourist facilities and are not really cities that the FA would want to show off to the rest of the world... Smaller cities like Plymouth, Portsmouth, Bristol etc have lots of history and character to them that would go hand in hand with new stadia.

I agree with you that Sunderland is hardly the most desirable place to show off, but a 64,000 Stadium (it could be converted, or converted back at next to no cost the way the stadium is designed) would be. I think it is far less of a choice than most people make out. Should England have 12 Stadium and another 4 suitable for hosting, nothing in the rule books or common sense would prevent us for going for 16 instead.

I agree with you that Sunderland is hardly the most desirable place to show off, but a 64,000 Stadium (it could be converted, or converted back at next to no cost the way the stadium is designed) would be. I think it is far less of a choice than most people make out. Should England have 12 Stadium and another 4 suitable for hosting, nothing in the rule books or common sense would prevent us for going for 16 instead.

An english world cup would probabley not be a "tourist event" like euro 2004 anyway, the main source of income would be UK residents buying tickets and maybe staying overnight at a hotel

Well I imagine a large source of ticket income would come from FIFA Corporate deals etc. However I largely agree, if there is no good reason a stadium cannot be used, it should be. If that means we end up with 16 Stadia not 12, then so be it.

Well I imagine a large source of ticket income would come from FIFA Corporate deals etc. However I largely agree, if there is no good reason a stadium cannot be used, it should be. If that means we end up with 16 Stadia not 12, then so be it.

I'd guess that the PC way to organise it would be to make sure all the big games(the seeds group games and all knockouts) are in 60,000+ seat stadiums with the lesser group games spread around as widely as possible.

I don't think there is anything Politically Correct about doing it that way, it just makes a lot more sense. It will be the first time that it will be hosted in a Traditional Footballing Nation with the Stadiums to make it possible on such a large scale. Make use of a 64,000 Stadium for large in demand games wherever possible, and show off as many cities (regardless of whether they are traditionally touristy or not) and as many stadiums as is practically possible.

However I wouldn't call Bristol a small city, in terms of population Bristol's is bigger then Newcastle's and Sunderland's combined.

Sorry I meant Bristol is a small football city, with no clubs near the top division or capable of attracting 40,000+ crowds. I go to the city quite often and would want tourists to visit it, it's lovely!

I really expect Sheffield to get a new stadium that both football clubs could share. It's a big city with lots of tourist potential and the new stadium might not need to have temporary seating if the one of the city's football teams is successful enough to attract large crowds after the tournament.

Does anyone know which is a nicer city to visit out of Southampton or Portsmouth? Which would be most suitable for a WC stadium?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/6921154.stm

England gets Beckenbauer backing

Beckenbauer's backing is a big boost for England
Former Germany World Cup winner Franz Beckenbauer has backed England's hopes of staging the 2018 tournament.
Beckenbauer, a member of Fifa's executive committee, believes the continental rotation policy should end.

He told BBC Five Live's Sportsweek: "There is no better country in Europe to host the World Cup in 2018. England is the favourite."

England are set to launch an official bid next year, and the government has indicated its support.

Former sports minister Richard Caborn has already been appointed as World Cup ambassador.

And Beckenbauer, who headed Germany's organising committee for the 2006 finals, believes England have a great chance of hosting the event.

He added: "The most important thing is to end the rotation and bring the tournament back to Europe.

"The Premier League at the moment is the best league in Europe and the stadiums are outstanding.

"In my opinion, there is only one very serious candidate and it is England.

"I think there is not really a problem to pick a host of the 2018 World Cup."

Fifa president Sepp Blatter is expected to end the rotation experiment, but he insisted that Europe has no divine right to host the 2018 tournament.

Instead, Fifa are likely to approve a format which only precludes the continents which held the previous two World Cups from bidding again, which in 2018, would be Africa and South America.

Despite Beckenbauer's backing, England are expected to face strong competition from Russa and Italy among European countries, while Fifa may choose to give it to an emerging football nation such as China or Australia.

i think world cup must be held in Turkey.
First of all we love football very much.
Than our country located in two countinents.
Any world cup tournament held in this region of the world.
We have a rich callture.
We are famous for our hospitality.
We are working hard to improve intercominication network.
And we built new stadiums..
Here are the examples

Ataturk Olympic Stadium (82.000 Capacity)
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/9535/stad11hf6.jpg

Şükrü Saracoğlu Stadium (52.000 capacity)
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/7964/fbstadyenifq8.jpg

Ali Sami Yen Stadium (52.000 Capacity) constarction at the point of start
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/2560/kopyasseyrantepe1vy2xx9.jpg

Kayseri New Stadium constraction run on
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/8374/2005651683873008240rsmq7.jpg

Izmir Ataturk Stadium (needs to renovated)
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/5647/stadsuyabatmazhb3.jpg

For all your reasons why the WC 'must' be held in Turkey, their are alot of other reasons why it 'must not' be held there.

what do u want to mean

WC will go to England :cheers:

Sorry I meant Bristol is a small football city, with no clubs near the top division or capable of attracting 40,000+ crowds. I go to the city quite often and would want tourists to visit it, it's lovely!

I really expect Sheffield to get a new stadium that both football clubs could share. It's a big city with lots of tourist potential and the new stadium might not need to have temporary seating if the one of the city's football teams is successful enough to attract large crowds after the tournament.

Does anyone know which is a nicer city to visit out of Southampton or Portsmouth? Which would be most suitable for a WC stadium?


Yeah Bristol is a small football city in comparison to other english cities of its size. It would be Bristol City who would get a ground development / new stadium, as Rovers are getting a new ground to share with Bristol Rugby club in 2008. I really want Bristol to be part of this world cup bid, otherwise it just goes to the same old regions of the country.

At the moment I see sheffield being ahead of Leeds in getting a venue for our bid. I think sheffield also wants to host the commonwealth games in the future too, so maybe a stadium that could accomodate for this.

I have been to Southampton many times its not particularly a nice place, lots of concrete, and 1960's architecture. Although it does have good transport links.

Always same country. What a boring. take a chance new countries...

Always same country. What a boring. take a chance new countries...

what are you talking about? by the time 2018 comes around England would not have hosted the WC for 52 years!!

http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news?slug=ap-blatter-wcup&prov=ap&type=lgns

Blatter says Europe no certainty to host 2018 World Cup, 1st Ld-Writethru
By CHRIS LINES, Associated Press Writer
July 28, 2007

JAKARTA, Indonesia (AP) -- Not so fast, Europe. The president of soccer's world governing body thinks Asia or North and Central America -- including possibly the United States -- could put on just as good a World Cup in 2018.

"Europe think they are privileged and they should have the World Cup, even in rotation, every third time, but why? There is no written rule they can have it. Other confederations have shown they can organize it," FIFA president Sepp Blatter said.

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FIFA, which is organized by continental confederations, has been rotating the World Cup among continents. After Japan and South Korea co-hosted the 2002 World Cup, Germany staged for Europe in 2006, South Africa will host in 2010 and Brazil is the only bidder for 2014, which has been designated for South America, meaning Asia or North America, Central America and the Caribbean should get a chance to host the world's most-watched sporting event before Europe does again.

"When it goes to rotation, the next confederation should be North America or CONCACAF, unless you consider the Americas together," Blatter said Saturday. "This is being studied and is in discussion and it will be very interesting."

Blatter was in Indonesia to attend Sunday's Asian Cup final between Iraq and Saudi Arabia, and said the event had been a "resounding success."

Asked whether that success would boost the chances of Asia hosting the World Cup in 2018, Blatter said he favors continued rotation between continents. However Europe wants the event to return there in 2018, with England among the leading bidders.

A decision on the 2018 host continent is likely to take place in November.

Blatter mentioned Australia, China and India as three nations in soccer's Asian region capable of hosting the next World Cup awarded to that confederation.

England won't get WC for sure.

England won't get WC for sure.

Why?

Of course I would like to see the World Cup come to Belgium+Holland. But England stand a far, far bigger chance, and is my second choice for sure. It's a logical, natural, sentimental choice: birthplace of football, 52 years since they organised it for the last time, 22 years since Euro 1996. That's a long time, even before the stadium boom of the late nineties.
True football culture, mixture of traditional and modern stadiums. Not to mention the settings: cities such as Liverpool, London, Manchester...

And yes, why not use more than the needed 10 stadiums? There are 60 matches in a World Cup Tournament...

Rotation should be:

Europe
Rest of the World

2018- England
2022- China
2026- Spain
2030- United States
2034- Italy
2038- Australia
2042- France

or

Europe
Americas
Rest of the World

2018- England
2022- China
2026- United States
2030- Spain
2034- Australia
2038- Mexico
2042- Italy

Africa, Asia, North America, and South America don't have enough nations that can host the WC therefore they don't deserve their own rotation spot.

Sepp Blatter is a total Idiot

Rotation should be:

Europe
Rest of the World

2018- England
2022- China
2026- Spain
2030- United States
2034- Italy
2038- Australia
2042- France

or

Europe
Americas
Rest of the World

2018- England
2022- China
2026- United States
2030- Spain
2034- Australia
2038- Mexico
2042- Italy

Africa, Asia, North America, and South America don't have enough nations that can host the WC therefore they don't deserve their own rotation spot.

Europe every other tournament is too much.

I think FIFA appears to have stumbled on the right format -- having hosted a finals tournament a confederation won't be allowed to bid for the next two tournaments.

Realistically, in a straight, non-political bid, it's hard to imagine too many countries being able to rival the major European nations for a football tournament.

Blatter mentioned Australia, China and India as three nations in soccer's Asian region capable of hosting the next World Cup awarded to that confederation.

He's pathetic.

China, yes. Australia, maybe. India? Has anyone here been to India in the last 5 years? Vibrant yes. Busy, certainly. But where exactly would they play the games, how would people get around, where would they stay, and how on Earth would the government be able to afford all the work required?

i think world cup must be held in Turkey.
First of all we love football very much.
Than our country located in two countinents.
Any world cup tournament held in this region of the world.
We have a rich callture.
We are famous for our hospitality.


This is not intended as a flame, I like to think the best of people, and all of the Turks I have ever met have been decent people, but -- this is the image of Turkish 'hospitality' that is known outside of Turkey.

Ali Umit Demir "was right" to stab Leeds Utd fans Kevin Speight, 37, and 40-year-old Christopher Loftus and was "a patriot".

These were some of the responses from Istanbul residents and workers hours after Mr Demir was sentenced to a total of 15 years for their murders.

Other residents said he had received a "very heavy sentence" which he "did not deserve".

No doubt there were 1000's of locals who rejoiced at the conviction of Demir, and condemned his actions, but the above kind of reporting is what Turkey is working against around the world.

For 2018, either they go with the history, tradition and the most deserving bid and go with England, or they go with $$$ and go with the US. My guess is probably England, but a US with the capacity infrastructure and dollars could get it as well.

what are you talking about? by the time 2018 comes around England would not have hosted the WC for 52 years!!

i am not only talk about only world cup. i am talking about general organisation. u'll host olympics for example. i am boring to see same country. germany france usa japan spain etc...

For 2018, either they go with the history, tradition and the most deserving bid and go with England, or they go with $$$ and go with the US. My guess is probably England, but a US with the capacity infrastructure and dollars could get it as well.

By 2018 I'd guess the $$$ might well be more in England. I'd guess that their biggest rival will be the Chinese, massive opportunity to grow the game their and you know that no expense will be spaired on the stadiums.

The World Cup in 2018 is Englands. The fact Blatter keeps saying this is to convince people FIFA is'nt favoured to Europe and it continues to bring the money in. If nations know the World Cup will be coming to Europe, England will get a free run - no bidding process, less money in the committees coffers and a complete bore result. FIFA survive off World Cup bidding. Just like the IOC.

Infact, Blatter already knows where the 2018 cup is going, and he already knows if it didnt go to England there would be absoluete uproar and will cause massive frictions between the FA and FIFA - FIFA regard the FA as the most important single faculty outside UEFA. They make more money of Englands football association then the FA make off FIFA. They have more to lose then England apart from the money from the 2018 world cup.

If Blatter wants to be fair (which I do not think is his true intention, he just needs support outside Europe, from the smaller and/or poorer countries) he should give Oceania a separate chance, just like he makes a distinction now between North and South America (or doesn't he?). If one would want to continue with the rotation policy, America should be considered as one continent, as should Europe (including Israel, Russia, Turkey and all the countries that are members of UEFA), Afrika and Asia+Oceania. If it then proves that the continent which turn it is can't make it, they should skip to the next in line... or make an exception and let everyone bid except for those who organized it recently.
Or can you dispose of this rotation system and use other criteria... but which?

Third option is to get rid of all criteria and leave it to a free competition system, where power/influence will be the main factors (to set things straight: I wouldn't feel comfortable with that). But to what extent isn't this already the case?

Sepp Blatter is a total Idiot

Totally agree

Getting back to the Sunderland issue is there actually any chance of it getting expanded to 64,000? We all know it can as it has been built that way. I mean another 16,000 seats when they very rarely sell out at the moment due to the fact they are a yo-yo club and are constantly in and out of the premiership. 20 odd thousand fans in 64k stadium in the championship will just look stupid!

The way it is designed it could be expanded and reverted with relatively little cost. And since the takeover and new management there have been many more seats sold, and many more when they enter the Premiership next season.

Europe every other tournament is too much.

Not really, since Europe's got about 50% of the qualification spots as well.

The way it is designed it could be expanded and reverted with relatively little cost. And since the takeover and new management there have been many more seats sold, and many more when they enter the Premiership next season.

Didnt they get planning permission to go up to 55,000(adding the second tier to the other end I'd guess) a few seasons ago only to shelve it when they went down?

That's right, and they say if they are getting sell out crowds this season they'll go through and expand. Because of the way the Stadium of Light is, it is very easy to do at relatively short notice.

By 2018 I'd guess the $$$ might well be more in England. I'd guess that their biggest rival will be the Chinese, massive opportunity to grow the game their and you know that no expense will be spaired on the stadiums.

I doubt every stadium in the English bud will be 60,000+ seats with 80+ suites and 6,000+ club/business seats, which is where the USA bid starts looking really good to FIFA.
China could throw together a good bid, but the average stadium wouldn't be much if any bigger than a US bid, and a lot of the stadiums would have athletics tracks (the for good 60,000+ stadiums currently all have tracks, and would probably all be included), a US bid would most likely have 0 with tracks. Which has to factor in a little. You're right about growing the game in China though, I see that is being the one big advantage to the Chinese bid (and to lesser extent the US bid over the English one as well).

I doubt every stadium in the English bud will be 60,000+ seats with 80+ suites and 6,000+ club/business seats, which is where the USA bid starts looking really good to FIFA.
China could throw together a good bid, but the average stadium wouldn't be much if any bigger than a US bid, and a lot of the stadiums would have athletics tracks (the for good 60,000+ stadiums currently all have tracks, and would probably all be included), a US bid would most likely have 0 with tracks. Which has to factor in a little. You're right about growing the game in China though, I see that is being the one big advantage to the Chinese bid (and to lesser extent the US bid over the English one as well).

I really don't think there will be much difference between them by 2018 the way redevolpment is going in the premiership. You might see a few smaller stadiums host some group games but its likely almost every knockout game would be in a 60,000+ stadium with modern corperate facilties.

One massive advanatge that an English big would have over an American or Chinese one income wise would be that the matchs would be on at the correct time for the european TV markets.

The NFL is still getting bigger and fancier as well, for better or worse.
Besides Indianapolis and Dallas facilities under construction, The Vikings, Chargers, 49ers, Giants/Jets all have proposals on the table.
To my understanding as things are (and will invariably change in the coming years) the respective bids would look something like this:

USA
Jerryworld 100,000 (with temp seating)
Fedex 92,000
Retrofitted Rose Bowl/Coliseum 80,000-90,000
New Giants stadium +/-80,000
Arrowhead stadium 79,000
Invesco Field 76,000
Dolphins Stadium 75,000
U of Phoenix 72,000 (with temp seating)
Qwest Field 72,000 (with temp seating
Possibly new Viking/49ers/Chargers stadium 68,000-72,000 seats
Average capacity of about 80,500 (would crack the 5,000,000 ticket mark of the course of the tournament)

England
Wembley 90,000
New anfield 76,000-80,000
Old Trafford 76,000
Stadium of Light 64,000
St. James Park 60,000
Emirates 60,000
New Everton 50,000
City of Manchester 48,000
Possibly Villa Park 50,000
New Birmingham City or New Portsmouth 40,000-50,000
Average of about 63,400 seats (would be about 4,000,000 over the course of the tournament)

thats a 17,100 seat difference per venue, which is more than noticeable and would definitley be taken into consideration. TV timing goes in Englands favor, but 1,094,400 tickets is a lot more people getting to be in the stands at the games.

Is Togo vs Saudi Arabia really going to sellout an 80,000 seat stadium though?

Plus you don't get the total seats for a WC by multiplying average capacity by the number of games. Somewhere like the New Portsmouth stadium might only host 3-4 group games where as Wembley would probabley get 6-7.

No, but Germany-Togo, or Argentina-Saudi Arabia might, and they would be in a 60,000 seater at best in England for that game. And say there is effectively a 700,000 seat difference over the course of the tournament, thats still significant, especially when theres about 10,000 more seats in the semi final and final rounds.

I brought this up in the UK section about the use of NFL stadia.

This is from the requirements of hosting a hosting a world cup govt report

All stadia have to able to accommodate a pitch that is 68m wide and 105m long. There must be an at least an additional 6m space to the stand to the side of the pitch and then a 7.5m gap behind the goal to the stand.

American Stadiums could have a problem with this as (NFL) Football pitches are just 48.8m wide. Going by the dimensions of a (NFL) Football pitch there must be at least 12.6m of space each side of the current position of the sideline on both sides. Problems could also occur with the distance from the corner flag to the stand.

I think all this speculation with the USA hosting the 2018 WC are wide of the mark. I Just can't see fifa hosting back-to-back tournaments in the Americas.

Depends on how the FA organise it I spose, the german's made a mistake IMHO in being too PC with even match allocation(2 seeds games for every stadium and all stadiums host at least 1 knockout game) resulting in some big games being in too small a stadium and vice versa.

The difference IMHO is that while the NFL is upgrading from modern stadiums to slightly more modern stadiums the Premiership is upgrading from dated stadiums that needed standing room to reach proper capacity to modern stadiums.

Unlike say China or South Africa I don't see ticket revenue being different enough to be a massive factor. Fifa's desire to grow the game outside of UEFA and the G14's powerbase and the possibility of bigger sponsors would I'd guess be more of a factor although as Kiwibrit says twice in a row in the america's might be pushing it politically.

this is a list, according to my little knowledge:D, of the possible 2018 stadium capacities and venues in England, forgetting about whether expansion would be difficult etc. or even possible (hypothetically speaking) keep in mind that the list does NOT take into account the rule of ONE stadium per city, this is simply a list of the 12 probable highest capacity stadiums in England by 2018:

1. Old Trafford - 96,000
2. Wembley - 90,000+ (expansion for WC???)
3. New Anfield - 80,000
4. St James' Park - 60,000-75,000+ (complete bowl)
5. Emirates Stadium - 60,000-72,000 (fill in corners?)
6. New Chelsea Stadium - 65/68,000?
7. Stadium of Light - 64,000
8. New Spurs Stadium - 60,000
9. New Birmingham Stadium - 55,000
10. Villa Park - 52,000+ (55,000)
11. New Everton - 50,000 (possibly 60,000)
12. Notts Forrest stadium - 40,000-50,000+

This is not intended as a flame, I like to think the best of people, and all of the Turks I have ever met have been decent people, but -- this is the image of Turkish 'hospitality' that is known outside of Turkey.



No doubt there were 1000's of locals who rejoiced at the conviction of Demir, and condemned his actions, but the above kind of reporting is what Turkey is working against around the world.

Lol. They guy did something with a Turkish flag, wipet his ass or burnt it or something, right? It's not an act against one guy who did something in particular but against Turkey. I don't completely say it right but you get the point.

Things that work against England:

http://www.geocities.com/yorkshire_casuals/england_euro2000.jpg

http://nominated.homestead.com/files/england7.jpg

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2006/06/hooliganGETTY070606_228x226.jpg

http://blog.so-net.ne.jp/_images/blog/hiroshi-suzuki/2314337.jpg

Every country has things working against themselves. BUT, hooliganism is a problem in every country.

I brought this up in the UK section about the use of NFL stadia.

This is from the requirements of hosting a hosting a world cup govt report

All stadia have to able to accommodate a pitch that is 68m wide and 105m long. There must be an at least an additional 6m space to the stand to the side of the pitch and then a 7.5m gap behind the goal to the stand.

American Stadiums could have a problem with this as (NFL) Football pitches are just 48.8m wide. Going by the dimensions of a (NFL) Football pitch there must be at least 12.6m of space each side of the current position of the sideline on both sides. Problems could also occur with the distance from the corner flag to the stand.

It's an issue in American stadiums, certainly. In 94 FIFA waived a lot of its requirements and let the US get away with narrower pitches and stadiums with bleacher seating and other things. I can't see FIFA doing that again. Several American stadiums are certainly too narrow for World Cup matches, among them FedEx field in DC, and others may be. Some NFL owners have tried to pack as many fans in as possible and narrowed the field, but other stadiums have been built with soccer in mind (like the new Cowboys stadium). How strict FIFA would be with the field width this time around is unknown (Weighing the loss of prestige and ticket sales from not using a 90,000 seat stadium in the nation's capital vs. the loss of five yards in width, for instance), but it can't help an American bid. Of course, with the rate stadiums are being built in the US, there may be five new ones by 2018 that all conform to world cup standards.

Getting back to the Sunderland issue is there actually any chance of it getting expanded to 64,000? We all know it can as it has been built that way. I mean another 16,000 seats when they very rarely sell out at the moment due to the fact they are a yo-yo club and are constantly in and out of the premiership. 20 odd thousand fans in 64k stadium in the championship will just look stupid!


The board have distanced themselves from the probability of extending - however, they have applied to have the planning permission extended for another 5 (or 10, not sure) years as it runs out next year (I believe).

Not likely that they will extend until the team is doing good business on the pitch. The chairman has been publically critical of the previous chairman for spending money on extending the North Stand whilst the team was struggling on the pitch.

Certainly don't think that extentions would be done specifically to get host status at a world cup. We're talking about close to 9 million (sterling) to extend the South Stand, a further 12 million to extend the remaining stand and take the capacity right up to 63k. The board have already acknowledged that if they expand to 63k they'd have to drop prices significantly in order to fill the place.

Lol. They guy did something with a Turkish flag, wipet his ass or burnt it or something, right? It's not an act against one guy who did something in particular but against Turkey. I don't completely say it right but you get the point.

Every country has things working against themselves. BUT, hooliganism is a problem in every country.

I know exactly what you are saying - I think the thing that shocked people about the Turkish incident was that people were saying it was acceptable, even FIFA came out and said something along the lines of "the Turkish are passionate people, these things happen". Whenever the English supporters do something stupid - you get an English media backlash about how bad they are. Sky News were out in Germany trying to stir trouble up - to the point that you could actually see the reporters getting frustrated whenever a German politician or Policeman said that there was no problems.

Every country has things working against themselves. BUT, hooliganism is a problem in every country.

Um....no. It is prevalent in much of the world, but in many countries it is almost absent. In Canada, I only recall it happening twice in the past 30 years. Both times was over a hockey championship.

We recently hosted the U-20 World Cup. Not only were fans from both sides sat side by side rather than separated, the only hooliganism that occured was by Chilean soccer players who were upset over the officiating in the final, which they lost to Argentina.

Places like Canada and Australia haven't got a chance as they have small markets and practically zero football culture/tradition.


Soccer isn't a major sport in Canada like it is in many other nations, but it says alot about how successful a World Cup would be in Canada that this supposedly small market set an attendance record at the recent U-20 World Cup. 1,156,187 people attended (with still 2 matches to go). The previous mark was set by Mexico back in 1983.

Not only has Canada demonstrated it's ability to host an impeccably run event, but it has shown massive support for this sport. It is all the more impressive when you consider that hockey, Canadian football, baseball, basketball, golf, and winter sports dominate here.

Canada has massive immigrant populations from every corner on earth. Not only will ALL teams receive sizable support, but soccer hooliganism is non-existent in this country. Fans sit side by side at games. They cheer loudly right next to fans from the opposing team. It's the Canadian way: celebrate your culture, but respect all. This was not lost on FIFA. They are on record as being ecstatic with the atmosphere and success of the U-20 event.

By the way, Spain (41 million) and England (49 million) aren't much bigger than Canada (33 million).

I think, since South Africa is getting 2010 and a yet-unannounced South American country is getting 2014 (hopefully Brasil), that it should go back to Europe this time around...they are always restive to get it anyway.

Personally, I think it should be in England...just because I love the look of the Wembley stadium. :D

Sepp Blatter is a total Idiot
Beckenbauer is a total idiot. :lol:

http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,22158308-23215,00.html
Australia eyes Cup hosting double

By Philip Henderson
July 30, 2007

AUSTRALIA could launch an ambitious bid to host two of the world's biggest sporting events - football's World Cup and Asian Cup - within the space of three years.

Football Federation Australia chairman Frank Lowy has confirmed FFA will make a strong push to host the 2015 Asian Cup.

But leading FFA official John O'Sullivan claims such a bid would not rule out a challenge for the 2018 World Cup.

"I don't think if we host in 2015 it rules us out in 2018, it probably gives us a better opportunity to show our wares to FIFA,'' said O'Sullivan, the FFA head of commercial responsibilities.

"Australia's got proven event credentials. We've shown the world we can host Olympic Games, Paralympic Games, Commonwealth Games, the Rugby World Cup, swimming world championships, and we do it well.

"So I don't think it's a case of hosting one event one year rules out another event another year.

"We've always said that it's about setting a pathway of events. We've secured the first two in the AFC gala awards in November and the FIFA congress in May of next year.

"They're the major off-field events, so we'll now look at the major on-field events of which the AFC Asian Cup is one, the women's World Cup is another and obviously the FIFA World Cup.''

The 2015 Asian Cup and 2018 World Cup are the earliest Australia could hope to host either tournament.

With Qatar confirmed as host for the 2011 Asian Cup at the weekend, Australia will have until 2009 to prepare a bid for the 2015 event.

South Africa is due to host the 2010 World Cup, but under FIFA's rotational policy, the 2014 edition will be played in South America.

No continent has yet been slated for the 2018 tournament but the rotation is up for confirmation in November.

AAP

AUSTRALIA could launch an ambitious bid to host two of the world's biggest sporting events - football's World Cup and Asian Cup - within the space of three years.

How far down the list of 'world's biggest sporting events' do you have to go before you find 'The Asian Cup'?

As for an Australian World Cup in 2018... Dreaming. Games to be played where?

Count out ALL the AFL venues - because the AFL won't shut down for two months in May/June whilst FIFA preps the stadiums and plays the games.

That leaves 3 completed grounds...

Aussie Stadium in Sydney.

Telstra Stadium in Sydney (assuming a deal can be reached for the Sydney AFL side to play their games at the SCG).

Suncorp Stadium in Brisbane.

Then...

A fully expanded Olympic Park Stadium in Melbourne.

Then... Erm... Anyone?

This is a country with some magnificent stadia, but I'm not sure the Aussie public would be happy with our tax dollars being spent on building/expanding another 4 or 5 stadiums 'just' for football. It's simply not (yet) a big enough sport over here.

Count out ALL the AFL venues - because the AFL won't shut down for two months in May/June whilst FIFA preps the stadiums and plays the games.



I can't see any way an Aussie bid works unless the AFL takes a break (and the NRL too if you want to expand stadiums in Townsville and Newcastle to get up to 10 stadiums). If the AFL is going on, you lose the big grounds in Sydney and Melbourne that you need for the final and semis, plus necessary stadiums in Perth and Adelaide. Without those there is no bid.

Soccer isn't a major sport in Canada like it is in many other nations, but it says alot about how successful a World Cup would be in Canada that this supposedly small market set an attendance record at the recent U-20 World Cup. 1,156,187 people attended (with still 2 matches to go). The previous mark was set by Mexico back in 1983.

Not only has Canada demonstrated it's ability to host an impeccably run event, but it has shown massive support for this sport. It is all the more impressive when you consider that hockey, Canadian football, baseball, basketball, golf, and winter sports dominate here.

Canada has massive immigrant populations from every corner on earth. Not only will ALL teams receive sizable support, but soccer hooliganism is non-existent in this country. Fans sit side by side at games. They cheer loudly right next to fans from the opposing team. It's the Canadian way: celebrate your culture, but respect all. This was not lost on FIFA. They are on record as being ecstatic with the atmosphere and success of the U-20 event.

By the way, Spain (41 million) and England (49 million) aren't much bigger than Canada (33 million).

A world cup in Canada would draw fine, would be well organized, and is a possibility down the road. The problem is the stadiums in Canada are not in good shape, and would require a massive overhaul and new construction to host a World Cup. You'd need a new Toronto stadium to host the final, probably a new one in Vancouver as well (or a major upgrade of BC Place), and Ottawa and Hamilton's stadiums should probably both be demolished and rebuilt. I think the US will get it again before Canada does, but I think Canada will eventually get the World Cup, although maybe not until 2038.

Ben, remember the NRL are unlikely to shut down for 2 months either so i wouldnt exactly be locking in Suncorp just yet.

If FIFA really wanted the WC in Aus, then they will play it in the summer or winter or something. Why would anyone want to come down under and miss their own summer to a cold, wet and miserable day at the G???

Ben, remember the NRL are unlikely to shut down for 2 months either so i wouldnt exactly be locking in Suncorp just yet.

If FIFA really wanted the WC in Aus, then they will play it in the summer or winter or something. Why would anyone want to come down under and miss their own summer to a cold, wet and miserable day at the G???

FIFA's not going to play the WC anytime but June, though. The international calendar is very complicated and changing something like the World Cup would be impossible for all the clubs and other competitions to accomodate.

This is why I think when the WC goes to Asia again (2022 or 2026) it will go to China.

WK bid benelux for 2018

current and future stadiums belgium:

gent (arteveldestadion: 20000 seats): http://www.stadiumguide.com/artevelde.htm
price: 100 000 000 euro's

genk (cristal arena: 25000 seats):http://juhafan.myphotoalbum.com/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album04&id=P1030880
http://users.pandora.be/Genkstar/DK/Fotos/1607/index1607.htm
plans to expand further commercially by casino, disco, museum,...

bruges (40000 seats) combined with shopping mall,...: see page 30

Anderlecht and national team of belgium :50000 seats near schaarbeek with a price of 200 000 000 euro's

training facilities for national team, referees,.. near tubize:http://www.footbel.be/nl/KBVB/opleidingscentra/nationaal_centrum_euro_2000.html

England has some fantastic stadia, and some fantastic planned stadia but many (Emirates being the very best example) still suffer from an inability to host the necessary media and whatnot in sites by, or close to, the stadium. How important this issue is to FIFA, I don't know, but many of the potential stadia are surrounded by houses, roads etc. on all sides, which could be problematic. It's something that is, seemingly, becoming more and more important as time goes on and I'm wondering if this is something that would count against England in any World Cup bid?

I have to say that i do not liked the Brazil stadiums (WC 2014)
England 2014 would have been better or Brazil should built new and better stadiums

A possible list for a Spain bid:

Camp Nou, Barcelona: 98'000 (probably expanded to 110'000-120'000)

Santiago Bernabeu, Madrid: 80'000

Nou Mestalla, Valencia: 75'000

La Peineta, Madrid: 73'000

Manuel Ruiz de Lopera, Sevilla: 65'000-70'000

New San Mames, Bilbao: 56'000

Nueva Romareda, Zaragoza: ~50'000 (I think they want to build a bigger one than the one shown in the first post)


That would be 7 excellent stadiums, but after these, I don't know which else :? Maybe the project for the new RCD Mallorca stadium, but I don't know the probability of it being built.

WK bid benelux for 2018

current and future stadiums belgium:

gent (arteveldestadion: 20000 seats): http://www.stadiumguide.com/artevelde.htm
price: 100 000 000 euro's

genk (cristal arena: 25000 seats):http://juhafan.myphotoalbum.com/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album04&id=P1030880
http://users.pandora.be/Genkstar/DK/Fotos/1607/index1607.htm
plans to expand further commercially by casino, disco, museum,...

bruges (40000 seats) combined with shopping mall,...: see page 30

Anderlecht and national team of belgium :50000 seats near schaarbeek with a price of 200 000 000 euro's

training facilities for national team, referees,.. near tubize:http://www.footbel.be/nl/KBVB/opleidingscentra/nationaal_centrum_euro_2000.html

You forget a new stadium for Standard: 40 000
The stadium of Gent will cost 30 mil. And it won't be a WK stadium because it's to small.
Normally for the WK in Belgium, I think Bruges (40 000), Antwerp (40 000), Liège (40 000), Anderlecht (50 000), Brussel (national stadium; 60 000)

As a Genkboy you maybe know if Genk has plans to expand the Cristal Arena?

you have not to forget the refurbished sanchez-pizjuan ( ~ 60000 ) , another one in sevilla , and also possible changes to expect in 10 years in the sadium domain for real madrid .

Real will get a new stadium or do you just meant the retraceable roof?

Before Spain (last 1982) i would gave 2018 to England (last 1966)

full summary of plans in Belgium:

1. National football centre euro 2000 near tubize:
- 5 footballpitches (3 syntetic, 1 syntetic = indoor)
- 1 rugbyfield
- 1 field with natural gras
- 1 trainingzone for goalkeepers
- 1 mini-pitch
- 1 mountainbike track
- 2 tennis courts
- 1 Finnish track
- 1 covered stand with seats in 3 levels (vestaires, rooms for medical
care, fitness, ...)
- 1 building for youth ( 8 vestaires, 4 vestaires for coaches, 2
medical rooms, 1 technical room and 1 for material)
- 1 hotel in 3 levels(60 rooms, 2 restaurants, rooms for directors,
swimming pool, shop, room for semenars, auditorium with translation
cabines , sauna, jacuzzi, ...

This can be very useful for utilisation during a worldcup. Most of this is already executed. Only the hotel isn't.

2. Genk: cristal arena (25000)
- 17000 normal seats
- 3000 business seats (17 lodges for 16 persons, 1000 corner seats, 500
seats in a lounge environment, 800 seats in a 'club' environment). The
modernisation of this part is done from march till now.
- still 5000 standing places (easily changed in seat stands)
- 1 museum ('goalmine': connection of mine history with football experience)
- 1 bar (eating and drinking): open all time
- 1 bar for youth (only drinking and snacks)
- 2 bars in corners (only during games)
- 1 fanshop
- overal places to drink and toilets in the stadium. Especially beer (graetest
beer selling place in belgium: 1million beers in 1 footballseason)
- 3 trainingpitches for pro (1 with stand for 2000 covered seats)
- 3 for youth
- vetaires for pro and youth, referees, fitness like in most stadiums

For a WC bid=> 3th ring in the stadium and changing the standing places in seats will lift up capacity to 35000-40000. There are currently plans for a uge sports and leisure complex with casino, disco,...

3. Anderlecht and National team of belgium:

plans for 50000 seats, price= 200 million euro's, multifunctional stadium probably near schaarbeek.

4. Bridges:

40000 seats in loppem, plans are on page 30. This stadium will be located near a shopping place

5 Standard Luik:

40000 seats = plans are not concrete for the moment

6. Antwerp:

plans for a 40000 seater


Plans for other stadium: modernisation of Sint -truiden (14000 seats with sports hotel, ...=> beginning of execution end 2007), Gent (20000 seats, skyboxes, near shopping place=> beginning this summer), Bergen (13 seats, execution now). This stadiums can be used as training facilities.


Holland:

1. Kuip (75000 seats, now 50000 seats)
2. Arena (60000 seats, now 50000 seats)
3. Philips stadium (50000 seats??: now 38000 seats)
4. Heereneen
5. Utrecht
6. Groningen/ Arnhem

After the Pan Am games, I wouldn't wish the World Cup on the US.

Real will get a new stadium or do you just meant the retraceable roof?

Before Spain (last 1982) i would gave 2018 to England (last 1966)

i just think there will be some stadium question , whatever it'd be , for real madrid in 10 years , if spain has willing to host the cup or more if the country gets it . At this moment , that's pure speculation . 7 years ago , there was a 120000 seats project :nuts: which was scrapped due to fans resistance to leave bernabeu ( and because of the potential cost :D ) .

Gillette Stadium (New England Revolution)

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/6144/gillettestadium1pi9.jpg

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/5736/gillettestadiumzz5.jpg

Is that a 105 x 68 m pitch above?

yup, it was designed for both kinds of football

i like gillette stadium. has a nice fit to it. it definitely has my vote.

After the Pan Am games, I wouldn't wish the World Cup on the US.

Why is that?

Ben, remember the NRL are unlikely to shut down for 2 months either so i wouldnt exactly be locking in Suncorp just yet.

If FIFA really wanted the WC in Aus, then they will play it in the summer or winter or something. Why would anyone want to come down under and miss their own summer to a cold, wet and miserable day at the G???

FIFA won't 'WANT' the WC in Aus, they'll have to be convinced (and bribed, no doubt) to come here. They won't re-arrange the timing as it would throw out the timing of all the major leagues in Europe (and FIFA ultimately know that it's those leagues that power the football machine). That's why the bid is a virtual non-starter so long as the AFL season is on (unless they graciously agree to limit the comp to certain venues).

I didn't mention the NRL because, in all reality, it's irrelevent on this scale - they influence one major venue, whilst AFL influences almost ALL of the major ones.

Hope the A-League goes off big time this year - big season for Adelaide, create the need for a bigger Hindmarch - and we get a few expansion slots open for next season (Canberra, Gold Coast, Townsville, Sydney 2)... That's the best chance.

It doesnt look good for the WC to come down under then does it.
1. AFL will be stubborn when it has to. It will protect its own interests first.
2. Its friggen winter in June. 4 seasons in one day in Melb. Hail stones in Sydney. Monsoons (sp?) up north. Cold in Tassie. Boring in Adelaide (jks). Middle of no-where in Perth. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....
3. China is a big hombre to overcome.

So unless China completly f.cks the Olympics up or the AFL can accomadate this (which i doubt but you never know i.e Comm Games), it doesnt look good.

Oh and Ben, i agree... The NRL is irrelevant. lol.

Why is that?

The US delegation didn't receive the best treatment, which is a huge understatement. I say if they don't want us, then why care?

A possible list for a Spain bid:

Camp Nou, Barcelona: 98'000 (probably expanded to 110'000-120'000)

Santiago Bernabeu, Madrid: 80'000

Nou Mestalla, Valencia: 75'000

La Peineta, Madrid: 73'000

Manuel Ruiz de Lopera, Sevilla: 65'000-70'000

New San Mames, Bilbao: 56'000

Nueva Romareda, Zaragoza: ~50'000 (I think they want to build a bigger one than the one shown in the first post)


That would be 7 excellent stadiums, but after these, I don't know which else :? Maybe the project for the new RCD Mallorca stadium, but I don't know the probability of it being built.

After that you're either talking about renovating and expanding some stadiums that are in the 30,000 range now, or building new ones in the 40,000 range.

Possibilities: Riazor in A Coruña (I know there were plans a while ago to expand that were put on hold)? La Rosaleda in Málaga? Nueva Condomina in Murcia? Vigo? Elche? New stadium for Real Sociedad in San Sebastian?

It doesnt look good for the WC to come down under then does it.
1. AFL will be stubborn when it has to. It will protect its own interests first.
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You make it sound like the AFL has full control over the stadiums they use...I can tell you....they dont....If the MCG want to bid for the FIFA World Cup venue...they will...Anyway..apart from the MCG and maybe the new Stadium WA..I cant think of any AFL venues that would be used.

simply put..the AFL have ZERO influence whether Australia hosts a WC.

Lol just noticed I meant to post that Gillette stadium in the MLS thread, not sure what happened there! Never Mind cant be arsed to move it now!

You make it sound like the AFL has full control over the stadiums they use...I can tell you....they dont....If the MCG want to bid for the FIFA World Cup venue...they will...Anyway..apart from the MCG and maybe the new Stadium WA..I cant think of any AFL venues that would be used.


Probably AAMI in Adelaide, unless Adelaide builds a new stadium.

I think the winter timing will still hurt Australia, though, even if they get use of all the grounds. And they'll have to expand or build new in several other places, because the whole thing can't be played in Sydney, Brisbane, Melbourne and Perth.

It should be a close race between Australia and China for who gets Asia's next world cup.

I think the winter timing will still hurt Australia, though, even if they get use of all the grounds. And they'll have to expand or build new in several other places, because the whole thing can't be played in Sydney, Brisbane, Melbourne and Perth.

Actually I'd guess it would help as winter condictions suit football far better, compair that to China were temperatures will be around 30 degrees in June/July.

Probably AAMI in Adelaide, unless Adelaide builds a new stadium.

I think the winter timing will still hurt Australia, though, even if they get use of all the grounds. .

Its been currently snowing in parts of South Africa and just outside Jo'Burg.

I reckon Adelaide is our biggest hurdle because AAMI is not up to standard...
I would expect our World Cup cities to be...

Sydney-83,000 + 45,000
Melbourne-100,000
Brisbane-55,000
Perth-70,000
Adelaide?-50,000 New Stadium
Canberra-40,000
Newcastle40,000
Gold Coast-40,000
Townsville-40,000

6 Rectangular grounds
3 Rectangular(retractable) grounds
1 Oval ground

I think the winter timing will still hurt Australia, though, even if they get use of all the grounds. And they'll have to expand or build new in several other places, because the whole thing can't be played in Sydney, Brisbane, Melbourne and Perth.

South Africa 2010 will be during winter.

Its been currently snowing in parts of South Africa and just outside Jo'Burg.

I reckon Adelaide is our biggest hurdle because AAMI is not up to standard...
I would expect our World Cup cities to be...

Sydney-83,000 + 45,000
Melbourne-100,000
Brisbane-55,000
Perth-70,000
Adelaide?-50,000 New Stadium
Canberra-40,000
Newcastle40,000
Gold Coast-40,000
Townsville-40,000

6 Rectangular grounds
3 Rectangular(retractable) grounds
1 Oval ground

Regarding the 'retractable' grounds - Sydney and Perth are two, which is the other? Are we thinking of the new stadium for Adelaide?

I've also suggested before that Perth should be the city with two venues (possibly one in Fremantle if they can convince FIFA that it's a different city), in order to cut down on travel - with two venues they could base a group in WA meaning supporters of England, for example, wouldn't have to jump on a plane to get over to (for example) Brisbane for their next game, etc.

An interesting aside about Melbourne - when the Bracks government finally rubber stamped the new rectangular stadium for Olympic Park, they confirmed that the foundations of the stadium would be set for a capacity of 50k in case of a world cup bid... This suggests to me that they don't expect to be able to use either Telstra Dome (which will be owned by the AFL by 2018) or the MCG (which is under contract to the AFL throughout the regular season, and has fiercely defended it's contractual rights during finals over the last few years).

Its been currently snowing in parts of South Africa and just outside Jo'Burg.

I reckon Adelaide is our biggest hurdle because AAMI is not up to standard...
I would expect our World Cup cities to be...

Sydney-83,000 + 45,000
Melbourne-100,000
Brisbane-55,000
Perth-70,000
Adelaide?-50,000 New Stadium
Canberra-40,000
Newcastle40,000
Gold Coast-40,000
Townsville-40,000

6 Rectangular grounds
3 Rectangular(retractable) grounds
1 Oval ground

I feel like they'll want Tasmania to get a host city, too, assuming a new stadium can be built (or drastically expanded) in Launceston or Hobart.

Regarding the 'retractable' grounds - Sydney and Perth are two, which is the other? Are we thinking of the new stadium for Adelaide?

I've also suggested before that Perth should be the city with two venues (possibly one in Fremantle if they can convince FIFA that it's a different city), in order to cut down on travel - with two venues they could base a group in WA meaning supporters of England, for example, wouldn't have to jump on a plane to get over to (for example) Brisbane for their next game, etc.

An interesting aside about Melbourne - when the Bracks government finally rubber stamped the new rectangular stadium for Olympic Park, they confirmed that the foundations of the stadium would be set for a capacity of 50k in case of a world cup bid... This suggests to me that they don't expect to be able to use either Telstra Dome (which will be owned by the AFL by 2018) or the MCG (which is under contract to the AFL throughout the regular season, and has fiercely defended it's contractual rights during finals over the last few years).

The 3rd retractable would be in Adelaide...I can see only a Perth style stadium for Adelaide as it can be the only solution..AAMI looks bad enough now and by 2018/2022 Im sure South Australians would demand a better venue.

As for the MCG,as I said before the AFL do not control this ground..and past history(Olympic Games,Commonwealth Games,construction of Southern and Northern stands) that the AFL has to accomodate whatever situation the MCG is in....The only contract the MCG has with the AFL is with Finals/Grand Final and a certain amount of games per year....thats it...and Im not even sure if those contracts go up until 2018...except the GF.
If the MCG wasnt used..then the Victorian Gov would automatically hand over ALL the major world Cup games to Sydney including the Final without any fight....Can you really see that happening????

A world cup in Canada would draw fine, would be well organized, and is a possibility down the road. The problem is the stadiums in Canada are not in good shape, and would require a massive overhaul and new construction to host a World Cup. You'd need a new Toronto stadium to host the final, probably a new one in Vancouver as well (or a major upgrade of BC Place), and Ottawa and Hamilton's stadiums should probably both be demolished and rebuilt. I think the US will get it again before Canada does, but I think Canada will eventually get the World Cup, although maybe not until 2038.

Agreed. Canada's only significant drawback is stadia. Montreal Olympic Stadium and Commonwealth Stadium in Edmonton are the only 60,000 + stadiums in Canada that are suitable for soccer. The Skydome in Toronto is large enough (at 54,000 capacity), but doesn't meet FIFA specifications. BC Place in Vancouver (at 60,000 capacity) needs renovations. All the other stadia in Canada are too small (below 40,000 capacity) or too old. The soccer specific stadium built this year in Toronto is much too small. A new stadium in Toronto to host finals would probably be tied to a Summer Olympics bid.

If Canada is serious about hosting the World Cup, at least 2 new stadiums need to be built, while at least 4 others need upgrades. You are right. The USA will get the World Cup again unless Canada spends some money.

Agreed. Canada's only significant drawback is stadia. Montreal Olympic Stadium and Commonwealth Stadium in Edmonton are the only 60,000 + stadiums in Canada that are suitable for soccer. The Skydome in Toronto is large enough (at 54,000 capacity), but doesn't meet FIFA specifications. BC Place in Vancouver (at 60,000 capacity) needs renovations. All the other stadia in Canada are too small (below 40,000 capacity) or too old. The soccer specific stadium built this year in Toronto is much too small. A new stadium in Toronto to host finals would probably be tied to a Summer Olympics bid.

If Canada is serious about hosting the World Cup, at least 2 new stadiums need to be built, while at least 4 others need upgrades. You are right. The USA will get the World Cup again unless Canada spends some money.

Skydome is out anyway because it'd be during baseball season. And It hink more than 2 new ones. There would have to be a new Toronto stadium, plus new ones in Halifax and Quebec, probably new ones or complete renovations in Ottawa and Hamilton, a renovation of BC Place, Winnipeg's stadium being built, and renovation in Calgary. That would get you to 10 stadiums (Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, Winnipeg, Hamilton, Toronto, Ottawa, Montreal, Quebec, Halifax), but that's a lot of stadium work to do, and a lot of money.

You make it sound like the AFL has full control over the stadiums they use...I can tell you....they dont....If the MCG want to bid for the FIFA World Cup venue...they will...Anyway..apart from the MCG and maybe the new Stadium WA..I cant think of any AFL venues that would be used.

simply put..the AFL have ZERO influence whether Australia hosts a WC.
Im not even slightly eluding to the stadiums. But anyways.... You have the MCG, new Perth stadium and dont forget about Suncorp... The NRL arent going to let you use it without a fight.

Australia's most important sport has no influence??? You gotta be shitting me right. The AFL is a billion dollar business. It will effect Australia hosting a WC because it will effect its bid. Do you think FIFA will just ignore the AFL and its needs??? Of course not. As i said, if the AFL wants to be stubborn, it will.

Im not even slightly eluding to the stadiums. But anyways.... You have the MCG, new Perth stadium and dont forget about Suncorp... The NRL arent going to let you use it without a fight.

Australia's most important sport has no influence??? You gotta be shitting me right. The AFL is a billion dollar business. It will effect Australia hosting a WC because it will effect its bid. Do you think FIFA will just ignore the AFL and its needs??? Of course not. As i said, if the AFL wants to be stubborn, it will.

The crucial thing is that the AFL has little to gain and much to lose from the World Cup being played in Australia - so, like Juddy says, they (and their media buddies) will do whatever they can to stop it happening.

The MCG may be independent, but they have close links with the AFL - yes, they pushed the Commonwealth Games ahead of AFL, but that's a one time deal that's not going to effect the AFL by acting as a massive publicity boost for a rival code; the same goes for rugby at Suncorp. If 'soccer' wins, then it's rugby and AFL that lose out... No problem so far as I'm concerned - both codes can die in the dust and leave 'real' football to dominate here as it does everywhere else that is civilized - that's right America, that's what I said :)

I'd love it to come down here, but I can't see it happening unless the A-League really takes off. Expansion needed, 16 teams doing well, get their own stadia, self sufficient, no need for AFL/cricket stadia... But that's probably about 20 years away!!

I agree. I would not want a joint bid with Turkey.

Also, Greece hosted one of the best Olympic Games in history. Security, planning, venue location, etc., was superb. As a sporting event the Olympics are even bigger in scale than the World Cup so we know Greece can handle this type of tournament logistically speaking.

That being said, the World Cup requires many "true" footyball stadiums of which Greece currently does not possess. Let's be realistic because that is the case as we speak.

However, with new stadiums on the horizon for AEK Athens and Panathinaikos and the expansion of Olympiakos' Karaiskaki stadium if Greece was awarded the tournament, Greece would be able to host the games by 2020 if it built one or two other stadiums for the tournament.

We would have teh following stadia to choose from:

OAKA (Olympic Stadium)
Karaiskaki (would be expanded with an additional tier)
AEK Athens
Panathinakos
New Stadium #1
New Stadium #2
Toumba in Thessaloniki if expaned
PanCretan in Iraklio, Crete if expanded.

hehe very comic. u say greece hosted best olympics. i only laugh this. nearly u couldnt completed sport event. all over the world helped to you to complete stadiums. i think best olympic held in sydney. they were perfect.

^^
I concur.

"rugby" will have no influence at all. Rugby league might.

Of course.

But, I repeat: FIFA and the IOC are two entirely separate organisations and the World Cup and the Olympic Games are two entirely different events. Each organisation may know what the other is doing. They may well consult. But they will not - absolutely not - make their decisions on which country will host the World Cup or which city will host the Olympic Games on the basis of what the other organisation has decided.

Countries like the USA, Italy and Germany have all hosted the Olympics, the Winter Olympics and the World Cup in recent years - in the case of the US, on more than one occasion. The latter two have also hosted the European Championship. France has hosted the World Cup, the winter Olympics and the European Championship.

Japan hosted the winter Olympics in 1998 and the World Cup in 2002. Mexico hosted the Olympics in 1968 and the World Cup only two years later. They then hosted the World Cup again in 1986. Germany hosted the Olympics in 1972 and the World Cup only two years later. The USA hosted the World Cup in 1994 and the Olympics only two years later. Spain hosted the World Cup in 1982 and the Olympics in 1992. South Korea hosted the Olympics in 1988 and the World Cup in 2002.

You're saying that all these countries can but now England can't? Complete and utter nonsense!

P.S. I'm well aware that some football matches during the 2012 Olympics will be played outside London. For some reason, that's what the IOC wanted. But honestly, you're being pedantic in the extreme. Those football matches will constitute about 0.00001% of the overall sporting events of the 2012 Olympics. I repeat: the Olympics is an event that is awarded to a City, not a country.

Anyone know what the reason is? London would be able to host an Olympic Tournament in real style (without having to even use Wembley/Emirates) - Whitehart Lane, Upton Park, Stamford Bridge, The Valley, Loftus Road, etc.

FIFA won't allow joint bids. That was the last that was heard from the president of FIFA. But a bid would be great! :)

I would like England to host 2018..but a Greek/Turkish WC would be great as well:cheers:

hehe very comic. u say greece hosted best olympics. i only laugh this. nearly u couldnt completed sport event. all over the world helped to you to complete stadiums. i think best olympic held in sydney. they were perfect.

I think best Olympic held in Istanbul. :banana:
:nuts:

;14618637']I think best Olympic held in Istanbul. :banana:
:nuts:

it will....;)

it will....;)

Oh really? When?
Need to win the bid first. :lol:
How many attempts...

;14618770']Oh really? When?
Need to win the bid first. :lol:
How many attempts...
probably after 2020... btw for me "good Olympics" is meaning just opening and closing shows. i watch only them:D

Greece/Turkey will never get WC, if it comes to europe England and Spain have to be hot favourites!

We would have teh following stadia to choose from:

OAKA (Olympic Stadium)
Karaiskaki (would be expanded with an additional tier)
AEK Athens
Panathinakos
New Stadium #1
New Stadium #2
Toumba in Thessaloniki if expaned
PanCretan in Iraklio, Crete if expanded.

four stadiums in Athens?

Greece and/or Turkey would do extremely well hosting a EURO or something, but it's clear who the favourites would be for 2018 in Europe, Spain and England. They both have the infastructure, the stadiums, and the money. Any other European bid would be IMO futile.

England for 2018 without a doubt! :cheers:

Do you think FIFA will just ignore the AFL and its needs??? Of course not. As i said, if the AFL wants to be stubborn, it will.

You have to be kidding.....
You really think FIFA have thoughts about the AFL and their needs if Australia bid for a World Cup????

I have got news for you....FIFA dont give a rats about the AFL and thats even if they knew who the AFL are!

Fact:
If Australia wish to bid they must
-Hold the WC in June/July
-Have access to at least 8 of the best stadiums in the country.
-plus many other requirements too many to list

If Australia dont meet the requirements...then..we dont bid..Simple as that..and FIFA award it to a country that wants it.

This bid would have to be driven by the state governments in conjuction with the FFA..If WA,SA or Vic get pressured by the AFL,then the government would have to tell the AFL to go jump..They dont own the stadiums and most of them are controlled through the state or their events are highly subsidized by the government.(except SA,I believe)

Lets take the MCG for example..Lets say the AFL convinced the MCG to back down and Victoria used the Olympic Park venue instead..Im sure that would go down well here in Victoria..Sydney would automatically be granted the best games and Victoria would get Jamacia vs Ivory Coast...

It wont happen and the Vic government would make sure it wont.

Could you imagine Australia hostimg the World Cup and at the same time the AFL were playing their home/away games..There would be absolutley no interest in the AFL and the Media would be satuated by the World Cup...Why do you think the AFL and NRL move their season for the 2000 Olympics?

As I said...the AFL have ZERO influence to Australia bidding for a World Cup.

i think best olympic held in sydney. they were perfect.

Yes, that opening ceremony with the stuck mechanical flame - priceless.

I think Turkey deserve to host the WC alone

ITs just an old topic
There won't be a GRE/TUR bid for EURO xy or WC xy

I still tend to believe that the AFL could, with their media and political influence, derail an Aussie bid.

As you've said, any Aussie bid will have to match the standards FIFA expects - and possibly would have to go further because of the distances involved in coming south as well as around the world. Things would have to be near perfect - and those influential in the AFL would do everything in their power to protect their vested interest. They don't control the venues - but they do have an influence over them in terms of long term business...

Say the MCG kicks AFL out for two months, and the AFL plays it's Victorian games at Telstra Dome, shifts others out to the Gold Coast, Tasmania, Canberra, etc., and it works... The AFL could screw the MCG over future deals on the grounds that they no longer 'need' the G.

It's all hypothetical though, the bid will fall apart based on the lack of quality venues away from Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne... At best, reality suggests 40k venues will be present in Perth and Adelaide. That still leaves Australia short of 2 venues (at least, as we don't know what FIFA will want by 2018/2022). Will there ever be a need for a 40k rectangular venue in Newcastle, on the Gold Coast, Townsville, Geelong, Hobart, etc? Is there any point in investing in huge venues that will rarely be used post world cup?

I hope I'm wrong. I hope the A-League grows and by 2015 we've got a dozen clubs that need big stadia PRIOR to any major bid.

The 82,000 seater Twickenham stadium in London looks gorgeous in this picture. It's such a shame it would never be included in the English bid:

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y281/gherkin007/twickenham.jpg

You have to be kidding.....
You really think FIFA have thoughts about the AFL and their needs if Australia bid for a World Cup????

I have got news for you....FIFA dont give a rats about the AFL and thats even if they knew who the AFL are!
WTF are you on about?? Do i know who the AFL are?? Pffffffffffff. Do you?
And iv got news to you. The AFL dont give a rats arse about FIFA. They are easily the most popular sport in Australia and are continuing to grow big time.

Fact:
If Australia wish to bid they must
-Hold the WC in June/July
-Have access to at least 8 of the best stadiums in the country.
-plus many other requirements too many to list

If Australia dont meet the requirements...then..we dont bid..Simple as that..and FIFA award it to a country that wants it.
Iv said over and over again that our bid does not stack up.
1. AFL wont 'fuck up' 1 whole season (no way in hell AFL will be played in Summer) to accomodate its rival code.
2. Who the hell wants to come to Australia in winter?
3. We just dont have those stadiums without AFL/NRL support. Perths not getting one unless the WAFC (so essentially Aussie Rules Footy) commit to it.
4. All the other factors.

This bid would have to be driven by the state governments in conjuction with the FFA..If WA,SA or Vic get pressured by the AFL,then the government would have to tell the AFL to go jump..They dont own the stadiums and most of them are controlled through the state or their events are highly subsidized by the government.(except SA,I believe)
So what the state governments are going to build stadiums for 6 weeks work are they??? Why do you think Perth arent getting anything at the moment???

Lets take the MCG for example..Lets say the AFL convinced the MCG to back down and Victoria used the Olympic Park venue instead..Im sure that would go down well here in Victoria..Sydney would automatically be granted the best games and Victoria would get Jamacia vs Ivory Coast...
And all those Collingwood supporters are just going to say, 'go ahead mate, just take the stadium no worries'. And thats just 1 set of supporters.

It wont happen and the Vic government would make sure it wont.
And what about the Vic People?? They are AFL mad remember.

Could you imagine Australia hostimg the World Cup and at the same time the AFL were playing their home/away games..There would be absolutley no interest in the AFL and the Media would be satuated by the World Cup...Why do you think the AFL and NRL move their season for the 2000 Olympics?
That just wont happen. Thats just like saying... can you imagine the media attention in America if the WC was played during the NFL/ College Football season.

As I said...the AFL have ZERO influence to Australia bidding for a World Cup.
Ok so fast forward to 2013 (or whatever year the 22 WC bids are), do you think Australia can bid for the WC? Just keep in note that Perth has no stadium. Adelaides is shit. MCG is an oval paradise. Suncorp's not free either.

;14618637']I think best Olympic held in Istanbul. :banana:
:nuts:

Everybody know that why ioc let olympics held in Athens. ioc took a decision due to first olympics held in Athens. otherwise u wait until forever. your shitty city doesnt rated for olympics.

Judging by the infantile way that Greeks and Turks behave, FIFA or UEFA would be insane to ever award a tournament to either country...

The 82,000 seater Twickenham stadium in London looks gorgeous in this picture. It's such a shame it would never be included in the English bid:

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y281/gherkin007/twickenham.jpg

Yeah it is a shame

Everybody know that why ioc let olympics held in Athens. ioc took a decision due to first olympics held in Athens. otherwise u wait until forever. your shitty city doesnt rated for olympics.

Maybe because Athens has no ghettos. :dunno:
Its hard to win Olympics when your city has a lot of poverty.

^^ Yup, like Beijing or Moscow or Mexico City. Unthinkable that any of these could ever host Games.

four stadiums in Athens?

Greece and/or Turkey would do extremely well hosting a EURO or something, but it's clear who the favourites would be for 2018 in Europe, Spain and England. They both have the infastructure, the stadiums, and the money. Any other European bid would be IMO futile.

welll karaiskaki is not in athens but piraeus soo therefore that should qualify as a different city

;14666232']Maybe because Athens has no ghettos. :dunno:
Its hard to win Olympics when your city has a lot of poverty.

maybe our city has a ghettos but your all city like a ghettoss.

maybe the Sith and the Jedi will merge into one and become friends

WTF are you on about?? Do i know who the AFL are?? Pffffffffffff. Do you?
And iv got news to you. The AFL dont give a rats arse about FIFA. They are easily the most popular sport in Australia and are continuing to grow big time.


Iv said over and over again that our bid does not stack up.
1. AFL wont 'fuck up' 1 whole season (no way in hell AFL will be played in Summer) to accomodate its rival code.
2. Who the hell wants to come to Australia in winter?
3. We just dont have those stadiums without AFL/NRL support. Perths not getting one unless the WAFC (so essentially Aussie Rules Footy) commit to it.
4. All the other factors.


So what the state governments are going to build stadiums for 6 weeks work are they??? Why do you think Perth arent getting anything at the moment???


And all those Collingwood supporters are just going to say, 'go ahead mate, just take the stadium no worries'. And thats just 1 set of supporters.


And what about the Vic People?? They are AFL mad remember.


That just wont happen. Thats just like saying... can you imagine the media attention in America if the WC was played during the NFL/ College Football season.


Ok so fast forward to 2013 (or whatever year the 22 WC bids are), do you think Australia can bid for the WC? Just keep in note that Perth has no stadium. Adelaides is shit. MCG is an oval paradise. Suncorp's not free either.

The AFL wont waste a season,they would just have to have a 1 month break....they just have to get over it...Simple as that....Sure they can probably continue playing,but nobody would give a crap,especially half the Australian population in the Northern states that dont give a crap anyway about the game.Saying that,transport,logistics would be all focused on world Cup visitors.

As for Perth,If they dont want to build a decent stadium and/or host a World Cup game..Fine..We bid without Perth...NSW,Qld,Vic and SA state premiers have all mentioned one way or another that they want their state involved with any World Cup bid in a big way,with even fighting between NSW and Vic on who hosts the final.

As for Winter in Australia...umm..it is a winter sport and played generally in much colder and worse conditions every year round that Australia can ever muster.
Winter time in Australia is not even an issue and never has been an issue for FIFA.

As I said....I still cannot see how the AFL can derail a World Cup bid..What they going to say ..."Dont play in "our" stadiums!!!!...or we.....umm...we never play their again.....yeh right....no AFL at the MCG ......It wont happen.

Yeah it is a shame

no it´s not! gives the Netherlands a better chance!

FIFA’s Jack Warner not too excited about England’s 2018 World Cup Bid


On Thursday the president of Concacaf made it clear in no uncertain terms that he doesn’t want the 2018 World Cup to be held in England.
“If the World Cup were to go to Europe, I’m quite sure, with the English luck as it is, they won’t get it,” Warner told BBC World Service.

“There are moves to give it to England. I must fight that.”

Warner, a member of the world football body’s executive committee since 1983, added: “It will be Italy, Spain, or even France who will get the World Cup if it goes to Europe.

“Nobody in Europe likes England. England invented the sport but has never made any impact on world football.”


Don't worry, England, Blatter wasn't excited about Germany 2006:-)

The AFL wont waste a season,they would just have to have a 1 month break....n.


One month break will be not enough.
The german clubs had to hand out the stadiums to the Fifa 4 weeks before the World Cup .

U Forget some other Stadiums In mexico like 5 more Maybe mexico could be the 2018 Wrold cup

U Forget some other Stadiums In mexico like 5 more Maybe mexico could be the 2018 Wrold cup

two World Cups in a row in America? No, it will be 2018 in Europe, no doubts about this!

One month break will be not enough.
The german clubs had to hand out the stadiums to the Fifa 4 weeks before the World Cup .

I meant the AFL had to break for 1 month.I understand that WC venues need 2 months,but the AFL could still play at other venues for 1 month.

Don't worry about too many Athens stadiums. The only ones in the running for the bid will be the Olympic Stadium(OAKA) and Panathinaikos' new stadium which will seat over 40,000 people. Karaiskaki cannot be expanded and has a capacity of only 33,000 and AEK probably is not going to have a stadium in the forseable future.

The other cities that could host games are:
Thessaloniki
Irakleio (Crete)
Patras
Volos/Larissa

Which bring a total of 6 stadiums(2 in Athens). This is not enough, unless maybe a smaller Greek city like Kalamata or Ioannina. But these cities seriously lack the infastructure to host a World Cup match...

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And the olympic games 2016 will be in BUENOS AIRES!!! CHICAGO gonna loose
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FIFA’s Jack Warner not too excited about England’s 2018 World Cup Bid.

I read this in the paper this morning and I was pretty disgusted at these comments. I am not English but for someone in such a lofty position to come out and, essentially, speak what he, personally, thinks in such a crude way is deeply worrying. It seems this guy, perhaps understandably (just a bit of neighbourly, gaelic joshing here, no serious anti-Saxon sentiment going on), just plain doesn't like England.

To suggest that a world cup be held in Italy (1990), Spain (1982) or France (1998) over England (1966) based on what is, seemingly, his own perspective of England's impact on the sport (what does this even mean?), is mental. I don't think many, even those within FIFA, will be taking these comments seriously and I doubt it would have any impact, at all, on any decision taken. Sadly, it appears to be the inane ravings of someone with his own agenda.

It's not even the suggestion that England deserves another world cup, but more that, given recent developments and planned new builds and renovations England will be in a much better position to host a world cup than its European neighbours.

I wonder how the FA would react if Old Trafford was expanded to hold 96,000, however? I can't see them not having the final at Wembley yet 6,000 extra fans could watch the game at Old Trafford.

I read this in the paper this morning and I was pretty disgusted at these comments. I am not English but for someone in such a lofty position to come out and, essentially, speak what he, personally, thinks in such a crude way is deeply worrying. It seems this guy, perhaps understandably (just a bit of neighbourly, gaelic joshing here, no serious anti-Saxon sentiment going on), just plain doesn't like England.

To suggest that a world cup be held in Italy (1990), Spain (1982) or France (1998) over England (1966) based on what is, seemingly, his own perspective of England's impact on the sport (what does this even mean?), is mental. I don't think many, even those within FIFA, will be taking these comments seriously and I doubt it would have any impact, at all, on any decision taken. Sadly, it appears to be the inane ravings of someone with his own agenda.

It's not even the suggestion that England deserves another world cup, but more that, given recent developments and planned new builds and renovations England will be in a much better position to host a world cup than its European neighbours.

I wonder how the FA would react if Old Trafford was expanded to hold 96,000, however? I can't see them not having the final at Wembley yet 6,000 extra fans could watch the game at Old Trafford.

Well he is the head of CONCACAF and they would be likely to get the 2018 WC is rotation is kept in place. If the arguements he came up with in that interview are the best he's got I doubt they'll have much of an impact. Isnt this the same Jack Warner who got caught selling 5,000 WC tickets to touts?

I just saw this thread but I want to ask. Don't Turks and Greeks HATE each other?

Well he is the head of CONCACAF and they would be likely to get the 2018 WC is rotation is kept in place. If the arguements he came up with in that interview are the best he's got I doubt they'll have much of an impact. Isnt this the same Jack Warner who got caught selling 5,000 WC tickets to touts?

Yep, the very same man who made a $1m profit from selling world cup tickets - and was then fined $1m by FIFA but not sacked or banned from getting tickets in the future - AND has yet to pay back the majority of the money.

Warner has a major problem with the UK due to comments that were made about the above (and other swindles) on BBC's Panorama, and also comments made by one of the UK's representatives at FIFA.

I look forward to Trinidad & Tobago's bid..

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/middle_america/trinidad_tobago/port_spain_crawford1.jpg

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/middle_america/trinidad_tobago/port_spain_cricket.jpg

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/middle_america/trinidad_tobago/malabar_gomes.jpg

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/middle_america/trinidad_tobago/couva_boldon.jpg

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/middle_america/trinidad_tobago/marabella_ramjohn1.jpg

Nobody in Europe likes England. England invented the sport but has never made any impact on world football.

That's what the prez of CONCACAF said? Hardly believable! What CONCACAF association has had the slightest bit of "impact" on World Football???
VERY unprofessional, doesn't really help them...

The AFL wont waste a season,they would just have to have a 1 month break....they just have to get over it...Simple as that....Sure they can probably continue playing,but nobody would give a crap,especially half the Australian population in the Northern states that dont give a crap anyway about the game.Saying that,transport,logistics would be all focused on world Cup visitors.
Ummm... The AFL are quite clearly the biggest sport in Australia. Can you imagine how big the AFL will be in 2022??? Just picture that. So when you say nobody will give a crap.... This is Australia. People just dont stop watching AFL overnight. You go on about the logistics and transport but what makes you so sure people are even coming for the WC? What makes you so sure the WC is even going to be awarded to Australia? FIFA sees the AFL as a negative in awarding the WC to Australia. Why give it to a place where there are 2 other comps on when you can hand it to somewhere that will have nothing on? Read: China. There is no way in hell the WC will be played whilst the AFL and NRL are on.

As for Perth,If they dont want to build a decent stadium and/or host a World Cup game..Fine..We bid without Perth...NSW,Qld,Vic and SA state premiers have all mentioned one way or another that they want their state involved with any World Cup bid in a big way,with even fighting between NSW and Vic on who hosts the final.
We bid without Perth??? Would you say the same if the MCG fell over tomorrow and the Vic government failed to delivery something new? If you have a bid without Perth, then New Zealand might as well place a bid.

As for Winter in Australia...umm..it is a winter sport and played generally in much colder and worse conditions every year round that Australia can ever muster.
Winter time in Australia is not even an issue and never has been an issue for FIFA.
Yes. But June is generally a Summer month. The WC in Germany was in Summer. In 02, it was played in favourable conditions. Now why would tourists go down under to freeze their balls when they can stay home and enjoy their summer? Im talking about fans here, not FIFA.

As I said....I still cannot see how the AFL can derail a World Cup bid..What they going to say ..."Dont play in "our" stadiums!!!!...or we.....umm...we never play their again.....yeh right....no AFL at the MCG ......It wont happen.
Oh My. The AFL is a Billion dollar business. The AFL are not going to lay over and if push comes to shove, the AFL will. In some ways, the AFL are FIFA's competition, so what makes you think that FIFA will simply ignore them?

I meant the AFL had to break for 1 month.I understand that WC venues need 2 months,but the AFL could still play at other venues for 1 month.

Ummm... So your going to have a Collingwood v Essendon game at Telstra Dome? Not quite, try again.

Also Telstra Dome's surface is shit enough with 2/3 games a week. How the hell is it going to stand up to 4 games a week. Thats assuming the AFL doesnt expand.

Wheres the Brisbane Broncos going to play?

Im sure the West Coast Eagles wont mind playing at friggen Leederville Oval either. Just like the juniors.... When a goal is scored, tonk your horn!! All 50,000 of youse.

Ummm... The AFL are quite clearly the biggest sport in Australia. Can you imagine how big the AFL will be in 2022??? Just picture that. So when you say nobody will give a crap.... This is Australia. People just dont stop watching AFL overnight. You go on about the logistics and transport but what makes you so sure people are even coming for the WC? What makes you so sure the WC is even going to be awarded to Australia? FIFA sees the AFL as a negative in awarding the WC to Australia. Why give it to a place where there are 2 other comps on when you can hand it to somewhere that will have nothing on? Read: China. There is no way in hell the WC will be played whilst the AFL and NRL are on.


We bid without Perth??? Would you say the same if the MCG fell over tomorrow and the Vic government failed to delivery something new? If you have a bid without Perth, then New Zealand might as well place a bid.


Yes. But June is generally a Summer month. The WC in Germany was in Summer. In 02, it was played in favourable conditions. Now why would tourists go down under to freeze their balls when they can stay home and enjoy their summer? Im talking about fans here, not FIFA.


Oh My. The AFL is a Billion dollar business. The AFL are not going to lay over and if push comes to shove, the AFL will. In some ways, the AFL are FIFA's competition, so what makes you think that FIFA will simply ignore them?


Australia puts in a bid..If the bid is good enough for FIFA,FIFA says yes..If it aint good enough..FIFA says No....Simple as that.

The Australian Football League(AFL) has absolutley ZERO bearing whether FIFA says yes or no...You have this illusion that Sepp Blatter will ring up Andrew Demetriou and ask for permission to play in this country.
And to answer your question ..YES..FIFA will completley ignore the AFL and they have no reason to even be aware of them.

and if Victoria dont bid..then the bid falls over..The Victorian government have been talking about bidding for a World Cup for around 10 years now and I see no reason for them not to want to be a part.

You still go on about "winter"..It aint an issue mate!..People will still come..Real fans will come and our winters arent even that cold anyway.If it was an issue,the South America would never host a WC and the 2010 World Cup in South Africa would not happen....

Ummm... So your going to have a Collingwood v Essendon game at Telstra Dome? Not quite, try again.

Also Telstra Dome's surface is shit enough with 2/3 games a week. How the hell is it going to stand up to 4 games a week. Thats assuming the AFL doesnt expand.

Wheres the Brisbane Broncos going to play?

Im sure the West Coast Eagles wont mind playing at friggen Leederville Oval either. Just like the juniors.... When a goal is scored, tonk your horn!! All 50,000 of youse.

You have a short memory...
The first 4 rounds of the 2006 season has no MCG.

As for Collingwood vs Essendon...ANZAC Day is in April....

And for the Brisbane Broncos...they played at ANZ Stadium for 10 years until they moved to Suncorp a few years ago...Im sure a few weeks back at ANZ wont hurt them...Crap..they can even play at the GABBA!

And for the West Coast Eagles.....who cares.

it will....;)

Giving the Games to China an unfree and undemocratic state was a fiasco.Giving the Games to an unfree millitary junta would be another fiasco.

It would be a great ideea to host WC in Geece/Turkey...but I think it's only a utopia...

Australia puts in a bid..If the bid is good enough for FIFA,FIFA says yes..If it aint good enough..FIFA says No....Simple as that.

The Australian Football League(AFL) has absolutley ZERO bearing whether FIFA says yes or no...You have this illusion that Sepp Blatter will ring up Andrew Demetriou and ask for permission to play in this country.
And to answer your question ..YES..FIFA will completley ignore the AFL and they have no reason to even be aware of them.

and if Victoria dont bid..then the bid falls over..The Victorian government have been talking about bidding for a World Cup for around 10 years now and I see no reason for them not to want to be a part.

You still go on about "winter"..It aint an issue mate!..People will still come..Real fans will come and our winters arent even that cold anyway.If it was an issue,the South America would never host a WC and the 2010 World Cup in South Africa would not happen....

FIFA will make their decision based on the bid that's put infront of them, yes... But the FACT is that the strength of an Aussie bid will be determined by the stadiums it can include.

The needs of the AFL/NRL, and the long term business interests of the stadiums, is such that they would be unwise to damage a business relationship...

The FACT is that it would be the AFL's decision whether or not to suspend/postpone their season, and that decision would be made based on how they could stage their fixtures. The staging of the fixtures would be dependant on venues. It's all well and good saying that the MCG, new Perth stadium, Telstra Stadium, etc., would make their decisions separately from the AFL - but the FACT is that AFL provides the chief revenue stream for all of these venues.

Thus, the AFL will have an influence over which stadiums are included in the bid, and as a result will have an influence over how favourably FIFA would look at a bid.

The reality is, for me, that we should forget about the AFL all together. It isn't even worth putting a bid in unless the A-League has continued to grow and each of the clubs has a dedicated 'rectangular' venue - as is the case with England, Spain, etc. THEN bid and the AFL won't have any influence at all.

Wouldnt a better option be to use the Telstra dome with the stands moved forward and construct a new 60k+ soccer/rugby specific stadium?

Ummm... So your going to have a Collingwood v Essendon game at Telstra Dome? Not quite, try again.

Also Telstra Dome's surface is shit enough with 2/3 games a week. How the hell is it going to stand up to 4 games a week. Thats assuming the AFL doesnt expand.

Wheres the Brisbane Broncos going to play?

Im sure the West Coast Eagles wont mind playing at friggen Leederville Oval either. Just like the juniors.... When a goal is scored, tonk your horn!! All 50,000 of youse.

I'd assume that if and when the new stadium is built in Perth, the existing footy venue will remain in place - surely the Eagles could switch home games back to their 'traditional' home for a couple of months.

Wouldnt a better option be to use the Telstra dome with the stands moved forward and construct a new 60k+ soccer/rugby specific stadium?

Won't happen. By 2022 Telstra Dome will be owned outright by the AFL (unless I'm mistaken) - can't see them giving it up for 2 months... Even if they did, I can imagine the stress and strain at FIFA, trying to decide whether to go for the 'correct' formation for football and give up the ticket money generated by those 2000 or so seats that can't be used when the stands are forward.

quite big in size...

Capacity of this stadium??

You have a short memory...
The first 4 rounds of the 2006 season has no MCG.

As for Collingwood vs Essendon...ANZAC Day is in April....
You do realise Coll and Ess play 2 times a year? And you would think Carl will be stronger by then. And Richmond are bound to succeed at something.

As for 06. Comm Games were exclusive to Melb. It was done in a way that allowed the AFL to embrace it. Therefore a compromise was able to be done. Can't see it happening with a WC.

And for the Brisbane Broncos...they played at ANZ Stadium for 10 years until they moved to Suncorp a few years ago...Im sure a few weeks back at ANZ wont hurt them...Crap..they can even play at the GABBA!
ANZ is a hole now. Would you ask them to move back??? They will tell you to f.... off. As for the Gabba... The Lions are there and im really doubting their going to be too happy about letting a sporting rival to share it.

And for the West Coast Eagles.....who cares.
Pffffffffffffff.... You have no idea do you.

Australia puts in a bid..If the bid is good enough for FIFA,FIFA says yes..If it aint good enough..FIFA says No....Simple as that.
If it was that simple, why not place a bid for 2014?

The Australian Football League(AFL) has absolutley ZERO bearing whether FIFA says yes or no...You have this illusion that Sepp Blatter will ring up Andrew Demetriou and ask for permission to play in this country.
And to answer your question ..YES..FIFA will completley ignore the AFL and they have no reason to even be aware of them.
Ok if the States placed a bid and the NFL was on, would you think there will be a bearing? Sepp isnt going to ring anyone. In fact, hes probaly not going to do anything apart from reading out the winner.

FIFA can't simply ignore the AFL as the AFL is the biggest sport in Australia. The AFL in some parts of Australia is like a religion. You are seriously underestimating how big the AFL really are.

and if Victoria dont bid..then the bid falls over..The Victorian government have been talking about bidding for a World Cup for around 10 years now and I see no reason for them not to want to be a part.
Yet how much money does the AFL pump into the victorian economy? Its Victoria's sport, why wouldnt they consider it?

You still go on about "winter"..It aint an issue mate!..People will still come..Real fans will come and our winters arent even that cold anyway.If it was an issue,the South America would never host a WC and the 2010 World Cup in South Africa would not happen....
Yet its widely agreed that the South Africa bid wont attract as much tourists compared to Germany. As for South America, Brazil is known for their good weather.

Arent that cold? Well why enjoy the cold again when you stay in the sun? You gotta offer incentives for people to come... In Germany you had good weather, the whole beer ideology, the location itself(being in Europe you can travel around). And we have what??? hot chicks, clean skies and good beaches to stand in the rain in.

I'd assume that if and when the new stadium is built in Perth, the existing footy venue will remain in place - surely the Eagles could switch home games back to their 'traditional' home for a couple of months.
If its built in Subi, then the old Subi Oval will be knocked down in the last stage of the building process. I.e In the summer when no games are played.

hope GREECE&TURKEY

yeah, i'll be nice to be in Greece-Turkey...

Althrough, the 2018's world cup would be in India or China... To me, I wanna to view an world cup in India or china will be intersting

Giving the Games to China an unfree and undemocratic state was a fiasco.Giving the Games to an unfree millitary junta would be another fiasco.

hey stupid greek what did u say. u remember your countries shitty history. u invoke the god to be membership of EU. if eu doesnt exist still dictator govern your country.

hey stupid greek what did u say. u remember your countries shitty history. u invoke the god to be membership of EU. if eu doesnt exist still dictator govern your country.

Do you want to be banned?

Do you want to be banned?

stop it ... i think u want to be banned

YES IS VERY POSIBLE, VENEZUELA TOO LIKE THE WORLD CUP BY THIS YEAR

As so many of the posters have already said, it would be unwise to opt for a joint bid for a football competition in the near future. FIFA themselves have said they prefer solo bids, so it would already be at a disavantage irrespective of the two countries.

Greece, having already hosted a decent Olympics, has shown it is capable.
Turkey, having hosted only minor events in comparison, has shown it's potential.

I think Turkey though would be good host-nation in the coming decades, with it's growing economy and developing infrastructure (esp. stadiums), would be the perfect platform for a World Cup, or Euro competition.

stop it ... i think u want to be banned

Stop what?

This guy is deliberately insulting/flaming people. Not to mention the fact it's tantamount to racism and has no place on this forum.

A Greece/Turkey bid would be disastrous because all you'd get would be political infighting.

Stop what?

This guy is deliberately insulting/flaming people. Not to mention the fact it's tantamount to racism and has no place on this forum.

A Greece/Turkey bid would be disastrous because all you'd get would be political infighting.

omg :O

i ever take part what all u write or think...
if 2018 W C would be played in TURKEY&GREECE i will be one of the happiest person ..
cos we r brothe
and so Turks and Greeks dont need to fight .. we need peace

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Judging by the infantile way that Greeks and Turks behave, FIFA or UEFA would be insane to ever award a tournament to either country...

No they wouldnt be insane at all. Fifa would happily award the games to them... since Fifa is all about peace and fairplay. Im sure that a joint bid would ease tensions between the 2 country's citizens.

1 city can have the maximum of 2 stadiums. All the stadiums need to be 50,000 or over

Athens:

Stadium nr.1:

Olympic stadium

Stadium nr.2:

:: Votanikos Arena : Panathinaikos (can be expanded to 50 000)

http://media2.feed.gr/filesystem/images/20070405/low/goalnews_LARGE_t_1041_382922.JPG

:: Aek new stadium

:: Or Greece might decide to build a national football stadium of greece in athens.

:: Olympiakos stadium will only be able to expand to 42 000. So its small and its technically not as good as the panathinaikos arena. So It will probably not be used.

Stadium nr 3-6

The big problem... all the other arenas are to ugly or too small. Greece would need to build new stadiums or expand a few of the existing/planned ones.

This is almost impossible for me to imagine happening, with past relationships between the two countries being so heated I really doubt they would ever agree on anything as important as venues.

Would be ok but in Greece most of the biggest teams are based about Athens and Pireas , am not sure of any sides with large enough stadiums on the islands from my past holidays there.

China has already got lot of new and great stadiums....

http://www.sinaimg.cn/ty/o/p/2007-06-14/U347P6T12D2982720F44DT20070615095532.jpg
Beijing Olympic Stadium - 91,000

http://en.structurae.de/files/photos/2521/image137copy1.jpg
Guangdong Olympic Stadium - 80,012

http://images.beijing-2008.org/20070513/Img214074372.jpg
http://images.beijing-2008.org/20070513/Img214074374.jpg
Shanghai Stadium - 80,000

http://www.sinaimg.cn/ty/o/p/2007-07-04/U397P6T12D3018532F44DT20070704171009.jpg

http://www.sinaimg.cn/ty/o/p/2007-07-04/U397P6T12D3018527F44DT20070704170655.jpg
Shenyang Sports Center - 70,000

[http://www.sinaimg.cn/ty/up/2007-07-10/U2150P6T64D34206F1091DT20070710100748.jpg
http://www.sinaimg.cn/ty/up/2007-07-10/U2150P6T64D34206F1323DT20070710100748.jpg
http://www.sinaimg.cn/ty/up/2007-07-10/U2150P6T64D34206F1325DT20070710100748.jpg
Tianjin Olympic Sports Center - 60,000

In 2018, the WC will go to Asia...probably to be hosted by either Australia or China. Can't find any other competitors in the area.

To few real football arenas.

i agree nice stadia but you cannot keep the world cup away from europe for that long sorry but it's englands turn 2018

It's a Football tournament, not an Athletics one.

Come back when China actually has some football stadiums built or planned.

too many running tracks

MEXICO!!!
Blatter wants to drink it up in Cancun w/ some Coronas.....:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
:dance: :dance: :cheers1:

why dig up such an old thread?:dunno:

there are more recent ones

this is the football world cup right? not the world athletics championships

I don't care.

Stadiums in China:

Beijing Olympic Stadium (91.000)
Guangdong Olympic Stadium (80.012)
Shanghai Stadium (80.000)
Shenyang Sports Center (70.000)
Nanjing Olympic Sports Center (60.000)
Tianjin Olympic Sports Center (60.000)
Wuhan Stadium (60.000)
Yizhong Center in Quindao (60.000)
Chonqing Olympic Sports Centre (58.680)
Changsha Helong Stadium (55.000)
Yellow Dragon Stadium in Hangzhou (48.000)

Running tracks are like streetfront parking lots...

China should make a temporary seat over athletics track.


I think China has many good stadiums better and bigger than some countries in western.

^^^^^^^^^^^

Running tracks have not been an issue at the 2006 World Cup. Unless you are sitting in the first 5 or so rows its not too much of an issue. The 1966 had a running track around Wembley and that wasn't a problem, nor was it a problem at Berlin in 2006. If you could actually score a ticket to a World Cup match, why would you whine about something as trivial as a running track? Diving players is a far bigger problem than that.

The World Cup could well go to China in 2018, no reason why it wouldn't, in fact they are probably more on FIFA's agenda than England.

The problem with having a Cup in England is the over inflated prices. Devalue the pound and we'll consider you.

Also why would FIFA wish to preach to the converted when there is this great expanse of humanity known as China?

i agree nice stadia but you cannot keep the world cup away from europe for that long sorry but it's englands turn 2018
Sorry but the US will host the 2018 WC

I kind of doubt it, but heres hoping

what are they going to build in Shanghai then? 'cause no way that the stadium on the pics can host 80.000 people sitting on a desent chair. tarraces are not allowed in the WC

Sorry but the US will host the 2018 WC

No way, Jose!
Spain all the way, baby!

^^^^^^^^^^^

Running tracks have not been an issue at the 2006 World Cup. Unless you are sitting in the first 5 or so rows its not too much of an issue. The 1966 had a running track around Wembley and that wasn't a problem, nor was it a problem at Berlin in 2006. If you could actually score a ticket to a World Cup match, why would you whine about something as trivial as a running track? Diving players is a far bigger problem than that.

Agreed on the diving, but FIFA has made it quite clear that in reality they have no desire to deal with that problem.

The issue of running tracks is a personal one, and for me is to do with atmosphere. I went to 6 games at the world cup, at 5 different venues (3 of which had running tracks) - the venue which generated the best atmosphere? Cologne, without a running track (this despite seeing Croatias fanatical fans in Stuttgart and Berlin, and England's hordes in Nurenberg.

The World Cup could well go to China in 2018, no reason why it wouldn't, in fact they are probably more on FIFA's agenda than England.

The problem with having a Cup in England is the over inflated prices. Devalue the pound and we'll consider you.

Also why would FIFA wish to preach to the converted when there is this great expanse of humanity known as China?

I know it's a pain in the backside for those outside Europe, but the reality is that the majority of tv and advertising money comes from Europe, the majority of teams in the comp come from Europe, and the majority of the world's travelling supporters are from Europe, add history, etc., and there's little chance of the finals staying out of Europe for a third tournament.

I'm 99% sure FIFA will go back to Europe for 2018, and if they do England would be a very hard bid to ignore as it seems to get better every month (latest being Everton's decision to build their new stadium outside Liverpool, therefore adding ANOTHER 50k venue to the potential bid).

2022 is going to be the most interesting bid for a long time, with one idea being that the finals will be open to any nation world wide, with the only constraint being that the hosts confederation of the previous finals will not be allowed to bid - roll on a battle between Asia (China, Australia), North America (USA, Mexico), South America (Argentina, Colombia) and Africa (Morocco... Libya, Egypt?)

The title of this thread is a tad misleading. It should read "China to bid for 2018 WC"

^^ Right, unless it's confirmed.

why was my comment deleted? W/E, here it is again:

"They have the stadia, but do they have the human rights? ;) "

why was my comment deleted? W/E, here it is again:

"They have the stadia, but do they have the human rights? ;) "

There were two threads with the same opening post... Perhaps you posted your comment on the other thread.

^^ again, politics blah blah blah :bash:

2018 World Cup will be hosted in Europe. It's a waste of time and money to even think about bidding for it for any nation outside Europe. With being by far the most important market, every second WC should be hosted there.

2022 might be a good chance for China. No doubt they could build some nice football arenas for a WC. But they really have to continue to improve their national team and league. Right now they're really not strong enough.

I'd say every third world cup for Europe's about right. I quite like the new thinking in FIFA that anyone can bid except for the previous two confederations to host. Hopefully that will be passed.

Running tracks aren't the real problem...Berlin Stadium held the WC 2006 final match even it's not a pure soccer stadium!

When you're up against countries with no running tracks they could be seen as a problem. They're not ideal, let's put it that way.

I want vote China 2018 to host world cup but....China to wait until 2026 to host FIFA World Cup by Hayatou said(FIFA vice president)!!

2006-03-22 09:25:47 Xinhua English



BEIJING, March 22(Xinhua)-- China will host the Olympic Gamesin less than two years time. But it may have to wait 20 years to stage soccer's World Cup, according to FIFA vice-president Issa Hayatou.

Hayatou said here on Wednesday that under FIFA's continental rotation policy on the host of the World Cup, Asia could next stage the World Cup in 2026 after South Korea and Japan co-hosted the quadrennial event in 2002.


He said China will have a fairly good chance of winning the right to host the 2026 World Cup if it lodges a bid.


"You have very good facilities, and your economy enjoys a high growth, so you are capable of staging the World Cup," Hayatou tolda press conference.


A 10-man FIFA delegation headed by Hayatou wrapped up a two-daytour of Beijing on Wednesday to inspect the Chinese capital's preparations for the soccer tournament of the 2008 Olympic Games.


But Hayatou added that China's chance also depends on how many Asian countries intend to stage the World Cup.


Nicolas Maingot, an official at FIFA's media department, said FIFA has yet to decide on the sites, or even the continents, for the World Cups beyond 2014.


"For the moment, the only dates which are confirmed are 2010 for South Africa, and 2014 for South America," Maingot told Xinhua. Enditem


Editor:


Wang Nan


:ohno:

"They have the stadia, but do they have the human rights? "

+1

+1

Sorry what do you mean ??

I think that people are slowly going off topic now

I want vote China 2018 to host world cup

Are you a member of the Fifa Executive Committee?:)

http://www.sinaimg.cn/ty/o/p/2007-07-04/U397P6T12D3018532F44DT20070704171009.jpg

wow, how far the pitch is away from the seats...

England 2018 all the way.

why was my comment deleted? W/E, here it is again:

"They have the stadia, but do they have the human rights? ;) "


depending on what types of humans darling. for me and many others, of course we do.

lol brainwashed much?

-1 for your comment btw for little relevance and going off topic.

Running tracks aren't the real problem...Berlin Stadium held the WC 2006 final match even it's not a pure soccer stadium!

J heard FIFA rules state you can have a maximum of 2 stadiums with running tracks for hosting the World Cup.

Germany had two, Berlin and Stuttgart.

They don't want it to be like Japan/Korea whereby nearly all of the stadiums had running tracks.

^Germany had three stadiums with running tracks.