Isn't it that stalled one at Aldgate?

[QUOTE=The Champ;76817445]Isn't it that stalled one at Aldgate?[/QUOTE

I think you're right. I was wondering the same, but not totally sure!

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x6/carmadmike/model.jpg

It's still a WIP (Nothings glued together yet) but I suppose it's starting to look like the real thing.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y68/El_Greco/SkylineGreenwich2.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y68/El_Greco/GreenwichSkyline3.jpg

Snap I got on Monday :)

On another note, Is there any reason why some of the crossbracing still isnt clad? (you cant see it in the pic but one is still bare)

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5064/5664905356_c87cd9fb94_b.jpg

http://i527.photobucket.com/albums/cc360/londonfire/Picture15231417-2.jpg

awesome shot there GazKinz

Theres some heavy duty gates waiting to be installed in the fenced off area (same as the ones in front of the Willis Building)

http://web.me.com/benveasey/_MG_0682.jpg

Testing the blinds?

^^ Great picture! The building looks very smart from this angle.

taken April 30th:
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5187/5688264942_d0847decf2_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wawd/5688264942/)
P1120812 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wawd/5688264942/) by wawd (http://www.flickr.com/people/wawd/), on Flickr

Not much for quality my phone :D :

http://i978.photobucket.com/albums/ae264/SavResta/26042011098.jpg

http://i978.photobucket.com/albums/ae264/SavResta/26042011099.jpg

http://i978.photobucket.com/albums/ae264/SavResta/26042011101.jpg

http://i978.photobucket.com/albums/ae264/SavResta/27042011113.jpg

Has anyone else gotten to that phase where it seems like it has always been there? That the skyline looks wrong without it?

Haha, yep. I've had that for a while now - it made the City into a proper cluster, imo.

absolutely astounded at how long it's taking them to fill in the missing bits of cladding.

Yep still loads missing, plus quite a few dented ones around the ground floor and a few missing glazing panels on the staircase

Has anyone else gotten to that phase where it seems like it has always been there? That the skyline looks wrong without it?

I was just on google looking at images of the Skyline to get an example of how prominent Angel Court is....

http://www.moderngent.com/media/city_skyline.jpg

And I was like... wtf

Yet back then when we had the cluster looking like that (if you could call it a cluster!) We'd have all been saying how ace it looked with the Gherkin and a skyline was forming, and that was with no Heron, or Willis, or even Nido to an extent. Now we're saying how great a cluster we have, come 5 years time we'll be looking back on today's images probably a little embarrassed with our skyline that had no Leadenhall, or Pinnacle, or 100 Bishopgate, no Heron and Fenchurch towers :|. Saying that, I do miss Drapers gardens :( It was a brute (one I never got to see in reality, was a mere few floors remaning when I first visited London), but it did help bridge the height difference between the midrises and highrises.

I was just on google looking at images of the Skyline to get an example of how prominent Angel Court is....

http://www.moderngent.com/media/city_skyline.jpg

And I was like... wtf

Amazing how much has changed in just a few short years.

Drapers Gardens gone, Stock Exchange completely re-clad, Heron Tower and Willis Buildings built.

The old Stock Exchange never ceases to astound me in how a building that is so hideous was thought worthy of being constructed in the heart of the city. The re-clad has completely changed the face of the City from that angle. The old concrete building really made the City look drab.

What a difference:
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/963TheCityofLondonfromWaterlooBridge_pic1.jpg

^ not bad.

Pics taken by David Min on 25 april:

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5295/5687862106_48d13c6ed5_b.jpg

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5023/5672773891_8ba8eae20c_b.jpg

http://i54.************/16ivc54.jpg

http://i53.************/2zp3udl.jpg

http://i51.************/osap2w.jpg

http://i52.************/1j401g.jpg

http://i54.************/35k78rm.jpg

I think i saw this boat 3 days ago in funchal madeira. Or another boat like this?????

I think i saw this boat 3 days ago in funchal madeira. Or another boat like this?????

Quite possibly, she has a sister ship, Seadream II.

Some great pictures btw, Heron tower really has established itself on the skyline now, you'd never think that it's only been there a matter of months!

A little snippet from today

[the wobbliness is heat haze, BTW]

http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j427/cybertects/architecture/20110510_0035.jpg

very nice pics constructions guys, i'm very like it. construction that looks wonderful and very strong.
http://freeimagestocks.com/content/14/grey.png

Heron took all the attention on the Apprentice aerials last night (well, within the City cluster that is), it looked incredible, along with the awesome Shard shots :D.

From the aerial shots on last nights show I have to agree - this and the shard have completly changed the look and feel of London for the better.

Agreed, Heron looked absolutely spectacular. I'm glad it's getting the attention - it deserves it. :cheers:

taken 8th May:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2160/5707434983_02b780dc0d_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wawd/5707434983/)
Curry Festival, Brick Lane 2011 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wawd/5707434983/) by wawd (http://www.flickr.com/people/wawd/), on Flickr

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2517/5707445719_804311dea5_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wawd/5707445719/)
Curry Festival, Brick Lane 2011 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wawd/5707445719/) by wawd (http://www.flickr.com/people/wawd/), on Flickr

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3662/5708008150_c0a1166a1d_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wawd/5708008150/)
Curry Festival, Brick Lane 2011 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wawd/5708008150/) by wawd (http://www.flickr.com/people/wawd/), on Flickr

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2051/5708025362_dbfa95c6a8_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wawd/5708025362/)
Curry Festival, Brick Lane 2011 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wawd/5708025362/) by wawd (http://www.flickr.com/people/wawd/), on Flickr

Good, different pictures

well they should have started to put the fish in the tank today... they are doing say 50 at a time and letting them acclimatise, and then putting in the next lot.

^^

I'd love to see that. I wonder if they'll film it.

taken tonight:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2276/5716464891_848ff49fc0_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wawd/5716464891/)
Balcony Views May 2011 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wawd/5716464891/) by wawd (http://www.flickr.com/people/wawd/), on Flickr

Whoo! nice.

I've rather been neglecting The Heron, which isn't fair. :)

So, I got on a No. 42 bus across the river to Bevis Marks a lunch time today and took a few photos.

Although the first one was taken yesterday from Butlers Wharf and the last one was at More London on my way home this evening.

http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j427/cybertects/architecture/20110512_0008.jpg

http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j427/cybertects/architecture/20110513_0021.jpg

http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j427/cybertects/architecture/20110513_0027.jpg

http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j427/cybertects/architecture/20110513_0031.jpg

http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j427/cybertects/architecture/20110513_0032.jpg

http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j427/cybertects/architecture/20110513_0034.jpg

http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j427/cybertects/architecture/20110513_0037.jpg

http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j427/cybertects/architecture/20110513_0047.jpg

http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j427/cybertects/architecture/20110513_0052.jpg

http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j427/cybertects/architecture/20110513_0053.jpg

http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j427/cybertects/architecture/20110513_0054.jpg

http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j427/cybertects/architecture/20110513_0061.jpg

http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j427/cybertects/architecture/20110513_0068.jpg

http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j427/cybertects/architecture/20110513_0106.jpg

wow, great shots! perfectly straight

excellent photos indeed. thanks

I can't believe there are still pieces of cladding missing after all this time! Was the issue that they were damaged and need to be re-made, or were they deliberately left off?

I think they were fixing points where the cranes were attached, though they've been taken down for a while now.

I can't believe there are still pieces of cladding missing after all this time! Was the issue that they were damaged and need to be re-made, or were they deliberately left off?

My understanding is that they were damaged on site and are being remanufactured. I noticed last week that a glazing panel was cracked on the south east corner, that was fine only the week before. I know accidents happen, but there are an extraordinary number of issues outstanding here. If you look closely there are a few panels with the sealants missing.

A friend of mine at Skanska seems to be in the middle of a nervous breakdown on this project.

Mind you, I have to say the building does look incredible on the opening credits of the Apprentice!

Hope 'rougue traders' weren't there with their secret cameras.

Half the reason I watch The Apprentice is to see the shots of London's skyscrapers from above! Amazing!! And yes, Heron looks superb. It really dominates the skyline.

A nice (albeit brief) angle of Heron at night at 57.42...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b011ddzy/The_Apprentice_Series_7_Discount_Buying_for_the_Savoy/

taken May 14th:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2348/5722158811_a90f74e1bd_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wawd/5722158811/)
Shoreditch Walk May 2011 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wawd/5722158811/) by wawd (http://www.flickr.com/people/wawd/), on Flickr

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3163/5722715924_fc353916ab_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wawd/5722715924/)
Shoreditch Walk May 2011 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wawd/5722715924/) by wawd (http://www.flickr.com/people/wawd/), on Flickr

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2717/5722708764_9339804e0e_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wawd/5722708764/)
Shoreditch Walk May 2011 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wawd/5722708764/) by wawd (http://www.flickr.com/people/wawd/), on Flickr

Amazing pictures, wawd! I've never walked down that section of road near Broadgate in person, but it looks like an absolute canyon looking south towards the rest of the City towers! Just shows how far London has come in recent years - a decade ago, none of the skyscrapers you can see in those photos were there (including Willis when I say 'skyscraper')!

^^ 10 years ago that would have been a very different picture. No Gherkin, no Broadgate, no Heron...

Finally replacing the missing glazing

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b316/madmax123/IMG00035-20110519-1653.jpg

Trees planted

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b316/madmax123/IMG00036-20110519-1653.jpg

Tree at rear

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b316/madmax123/IMG00037-20110519-1653.jpg

Trees on the other side and new lighting (same as Gherkins)

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b316/madmax123/IMG00038-20110519-1654.jpg

Close up

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b316/madmax123/IMG00039-20110519-1654.jpg

Wider view

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b316/madmax123/IMG00040-20110519-1654.jpg

It's gonna be an amazing Plaza to hang out in a few years.

http://www.hoteldesigns.net/library/1294704000/11_01_11_Heron_Plaza_lrg.jpg

^^ too right- it's going to be amazing! Quality puplic space is what the city can never get enough of... And I love those trees!

Cheers for that btw, I hadn't seen that render before :)

It's annoying that two buildings I actually really like are going to have to go for that plaza though... I'm sure it'll be worth it. Just hate seeing handsome old buildings torn down.

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/6726/dsc02260nk.jpg

http://imageshack.us/m/585/9209/dsc02261u.jpg

I think they should attach a Union Jack to that spire, just like Two Union Square in Seattle (albeit with Stars and Stripes).

I think they should attach a Union Jack to that spire, just like Two Union Square in Seattle (albeit with Stars and Stripes).

That is a great idea!

I think they should attach a Union Jack to that spire, just like Two Union Square in Seattle (albeit with Stars and Stripes).

I'd prefer a George Cross.

Lets not.

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/1949/herontank.jpg
No fish in the fish tank.

The escalators are cool, they move really slowly until someone steps on them... then they speed up.


http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/4791/heronpanocopy.jpg

If anyone is interested, I was told by the Concierge at Vertigo 42 that the Crown Lights had been turned off to save money.

I think they should attach a Union Jack to that spire, just like Two Union Square in Seattle (albeit with Stars and Stripes).

Completely agree, infact i agree so much ive decided to climb the heron tower and fly it myself!

Heres how it should look!!!!

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h86/a_walshy/dsc02261u.jpg

^^fantastic!

And lol at whoever said 'should be a George cross'. Anything to piss off the scots eh? ;)

Whether a St George's cross or a Union flag, the Scots don't associate with any flag that isn't a saltire.

They associate with the Union flag because it has the saltire within it. Scots are still part of the UK :nuts:

^^ exactly? The union flag is a fusion of ENG+NI+SCOT flags.

http://www.undiscoveredscotland.co.uk/usfeatures/saltire/images/unionjack.gif

Whether a St George's cross or a Union flag, the Scots don't associate with any flag that isn't a saltire.

Thats a bit like saying you'll speak to your mum and dad by themselves but when the rest of your family are there you naffin hate them. Stupid

If anyone is interested, I was told by the Concierge at Vertigo 42 that the Crown Lights had been turned off to save money.

did you ask about that dot matrix thing on the crown that people were going on about a few months ago?

i hope they light up something on top for the olympics

Whether a St George's cross or a Union flag, the Scots don't associate with any flag that isn't a saltire.

Bullshit.

http://www.darachweb.net/flags/flagimages/zf001.gif

Proves Scot's don't only associate with the Saltire, whether they accept they are British too as well.

Back on topic... a couple of views from the south side of the river

http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j427/cybertects/architecture/20110524_0042.jpg

http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j427/cybertects/architecture/20110524_0065.jpg

That last shot basically defines London.

^^^ It's a mess but it looks like an engine, an engine of commerce (albeit these days not too well oiled)

^^ Depends if you like that 'Industrial' look, which I do. But I do know people who find it untidy and messy :ohno:.

i like the lloyds building... its very impressive. like the Pompidou Centre in Paris but vertical =) i've seen worse buildings..

That last shot basically defines London.Err, no...

err, yes...

Cute little Victorian chimney pots, a hulking industrious nightmare, a quaint churchspire, a mid rise and a skyscraper. Pretty 'london' if you ask me.

Yes I'm aware there is alot more to London than this but that pic contained much of the city's architectural fabric.

Cute little Victorian chimney pots, a hulking industrious nightmare, a quaint churchspire, a mid rise and a skyscraper. Pretty 'london' if you ask me.

I got it. ;)

Heron Tower looking rather ghostly from the west on Tuesday night, Liverpool St.

http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy284/laszlojamfphotos/Heron%20Tower/GhostlyHeronNight.jpg

^^ exactly? The union flag is a fusion of ENG+NI+SCOT flags.

http://www.undiscoveredscotland.co.uk/usfeatures/saltire/images/unionjack.gif

Um thank you but I'm not an idiot. I've lived in Scotland for 12 years and was merely highlighting the fact that Scots don't really associate with the Union flag. I don't think I have ever seen a Scot wave a Union flag.

Didn't mean to derail the thread

*Cough* http://www.jla.co.uk/uploads/images/HoyChris.jpg *Cough*

Could easily counter that with a picture of Hoy at a Commonwealth games.


But back on topic again, the Heron is a good addition to the City cluster, and so would the Lloyds building if they got rid of the blue cranes.

Could easily counter that with a picture of Hoy at a Commonwealth games.

What do you think my picture is of? :lol:

I dont see a shark in the aquarium. I dont know if i see fish is it already fild?

Does anyone know if the idea of the blue LED lights for every floor on the south side has been scraped? It seems odd that its not been lit up fully yet.

Forgive me if this has already been answered in an earlier post.

http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j427/cybertects/architecture/20110524_0065.jpg

Lloyds has dated really, really badly. It looks like something I'd expect to see at a steel works in south Wales.

Lloyds has dated really, really badly. It looks like something I'd expect to see at a steel works in south Wales.

You can't appreciate that, with it being at the centre of a major financial centre?

I don't think I have ever seen a Scot wave a Union flag.

Ever seen Rangers fans at Old Firm derbies? Union flags everywhere

Lloyds has dated really, really badly. It looks like something I'd expect to see at a steel works in south Wales.

Blasphemy.

Lloyds has dated really, really badly. It looks like something I'd expect to see at a steel works in south Wales.

I'm not a Lloyds rimmer... but that's daft.

A collection of photos from today:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3399/5818779320_a17ccea3f4_b.jpg
by ghost-of-sparta (http://www.flickr.com/people/ghost-of-sparta/), on Flickr

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2025/5818779580_4effdc409b_b.jpg
by ghost-of-sparta (http://www.flickr.com/people/ghost-of-sparta/), on Flickr

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3099/5818212413_22d13abe9e_b.jpg
by ghost-of-sparta (http://www.flickr.com/people/ghost-of-sparta/), on Flickr

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2148/5818780180_7f707f779a_b.jpg
by ghost-of-sparta (http://www.flickr.com/people/ghost-of-sparta/), on Flickr

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5264/5818780422_a2d1df8ef2_b.jpg
by ghost-of-sparta (http://www.flickr.com/people/ghost-of-sparta/), on Flickr

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2363/5818213147_806d312df2_b.jpg
by ghost-of-sparta (http://www.flickr.com/people/ghost-of-sparta/), on Flickr

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2766/5818213463_01b113767d_b.jpg
by ghost-of-sparta (http://www.flickr.com/people/ghost-of-sparta/), on Flickr

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2576/5818213749_2923ab0461_b.jpg
by ghost-of-sparta (http://www.flickr.com/people/ghost-of-sparta/), on Flickr

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5230/5818781600_d8a6298dc9_b.jpg
by ghost-of-sparta (http://www.flickr.com/people/ghost-of-sparta/), on Flickr

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3245/5818214497_fdba7741f7_b.jpg
by ghost-of-sparta (http://www.flickr.com/people/ghost-of-sparta/), on Flickr

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5192/5818782416_46a3f8abc4_b.jpg
by ghost-of-sparta (http://www.flickr.com/people/ghost-of-sparta/), on Flickr

Lloyds has dated really, really badly. It looks like something I'd expect to see at a steel works in south Wales.

I'm not a fan either, but I dont think it was ever expected/designed to fit in or age gracefully.

This building is looking better and better with every replaced/finished piece of cladding, looked great in the sunshine yesterday, just wish theyd hurry up and finish!!

Loving the fish BTW.

I think they have just elected a Heron building manager as there's white smoke pouring from the roof just now.
http://i53.************/w7msuh.jpg

:lol:

It's a ceremonial pyre! The ritual burning of those that cracked the cladding!!!! :)

A few days ago but it hasn't changed right?

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2793/5823676495_fb55a35f73_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/16583702@N04/5823676495/)
Heron Tower (http://www.flickr.com/photos/16583702@N04/5823676495/) by supertallrobbo (http://www.flickr.com/people/16583702@N04/), on Flickr

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2357/5823674593_d47749bba1_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/16583702@N04/5823674593/)
City of London (http://www.flickr.com/photos/16583702@N04/5823674593/) by supertallrobbo (http://www.flickr.com/people/16583702@N04/), on Flickr

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2064/5823672643_c68cf75c33_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/16583702@N04/5823672643/)
City of London (http://www.flickr.com/photos/16583702@N04/5823672643/) by supertallrobbo (http://www.flickr.com/people/16583702@N04/), on Flickr

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5141/5824233444_fdbe4c85a1_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/16583702@N04/5824233444/)
Heron and Tower 42 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/16583702@N04/5824233444/) by supertallrobbo (http://www.flickr.com/people/16583702@N04/), on Flickr

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2377/5824231874_e8b8019f9a_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/16583702@N04/5824231874/)
4 Skyscrapers (http://www.flickr.com/photos/16583702@N04/5824231874/) by supertallrobbo (http://www.flickr.com/people/16583702@N04/), on Flickr

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2804/5823661135_b3acf13e90_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/16583702@N04/5823661135/)
Heron, Gherkin and Nido (http://www.flickr.com/photos/16583702@N04/5823661135/) by supertallrobbo (http://www.flickr.com/people/16583702@N04/), on Flickr

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3009/5824221632_7ef7877df3_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/16583702@N04/5824221632/)
Heron Tower Cladding (http://www.flickr.com/photos/16583702@N04/5824221632/) by supertallrobbo (http://www.flickr.com/people/16583702@N04/), on Flickr

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5144/5824219246_50b2b62d16_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/16583702@N04/5824219246/)
The Heron Tower (http://www.flickr.com/photos/16583702@N04/5824219246/) by supertallrobbo (http://www.flickr.com/people/16583702@N04/), on Flickr

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2766/5823654627_510b5b83de_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/16583702@N04/5823654627/)
The Heron Tower from the base (http://www.flickr.com/photos/16583702@N04/5823654627/) by supertallrobbo (http://www.flickr.com/people/16583702@N04/), on Flickr

Stunning , Building nothing else to say :)

Good grief! 5am At least it's a nice morning.
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http://i51.************/dgma9h.jpg

http://i51.************/35ixf2h.jpg

Have they completed all of the cladding or are there still some panels that need to be fitted?

Have they completed all of the cladding or are there still some panels that need to be fitted?

Still a lot missing.:ohno: Look at the last of Supertallrobbos pics above! However, there has been some progress over the past couple of weeks or so!

No sign of the ground floor bar opening which should have been at the end of May.

Oh right, thanks for the info!
But I'm sure the wait will be worth it.

Also is the metal arm connected to the spire temporary or permanent?

Also is the spire fixture temporary or permanent?

Permanent. With all due respect, why would it be temporary?

Is there going to be a restaurant at the top? If so when does it open and is it for the public?

Im thinking about taking the parents out for their anniversary so any similar suggestions would be welcome ;)

As on the renders of the tower it is nowhere to be seen.
I think you are unclear of what I'm talking about, I'm referring to the piece of equipment that is attached to the lower part of the spire.

As on the renders of the tower it is nowhere to be seen.
I think you are unclear of what I'm talking about, I'm referring to the piece of equipment that is attached to the lower part of the spire.

Do you mean the silvery crane arm thing?

Again, that's permanent, it'll be used to clean the windows.

Yeah I do mean the crane arm
Thanks for clearing that up.

Yeah I do mean the silvery crane arm thingy
Thanks for clearing that up.

It#s in the foreground on that shot though - it's not 'attached' to the spire.

I love the new towering above the old. Taken on Wednesday.
http://i606.photobucket.com/albums/tt145/best_bud/DSC01315.jpg

French send warship (only a little one) to check out new London skyline.

Fri 17 Jun 14:55 FS Commandant Blaison + 2 Tugs
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The roadway at the side of the Heron is coming on a treat now, trees in place, lamp posts up, paving laid, benches delivered and the road itself has had a new layer of tarmac. I presume this will then also be paved?

Is there a significant amount of cladding left to do on the south side of the tower or not alot?

Why does the french ship have Union Flags (or err jacks...as it's on a ship) ?

Because it's in central London... at a guess.

Love the French warship photo

Why does the french ship have Union Flags (or err jacks...as it's on a ship) ?

Because they've surrendered. :)

Heron Tower.... I just don't know. It doesn't have the unity of purpose of the likes of the Gherkin, the Shard, or even Tower 42.

Yes it looks cool from some angles, and its height is great.. but just.. from some angles it looks like a pile of stacked cardboard boxes. Still, it works as part of an ensemble cast I guess, just doesn't have the star quality of others.

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I'll be looking forward to seeing the completed Heron tower tomorrow. The last time I was in London, this was up to about floor 24 and only a few levels of cladding. Even then I was in awe of the sheer scale of it and the impact it was making from various vantage points. That's if I can tear my eyes from the Shard :|

Heron tower is completed now?

I think ferge means he's looking forward to seeing the Heron tower now it's completed.

Heron tower is structually complete, although some cladding remains to be fitted.

This looks like a big concrete planter near the rear entrance
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b316/madmax123/20062011255.jpg

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b316/madmax123/20062011256.jpg
This mural type thing was going up today
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b316/madmax123/20062011257.jpg

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b316/madmax123/20062011258.jpg
Benches!!
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b316/madmax123/20062011259.jpg

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b316/madmax123/14062011238-1.jpg

nice angle its just to short to make a big impact in this street.

Heron Tower down Bishopsgate.

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/benny1982/DSCN3392.jpg

Taken on Saturday. The entrance.

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/benny1982/DSCN3397.jpg

Heres a great photo that really emphasises Heron's soar.

http://i53.************/zwjiw1.jpg

Absolutely , stunning building ;)

Some shots really make this building seem higher than it's actually stated height, pretty nice.

How many London buses would need to be stacked on top of each other to reach the top of this building?

^
Roof height (Heron Tower) / Height (Routemaster) = 202 m / 4.38 m ≈ 46.12

just saw this on flickr, I dont think ive seen heron from this angle before and its a really nice contrast with the street below:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3410/5813943601_89f977ab7c_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/770/5813943601/)
Heron Tower (http://www.flickr.com/photos/770/5813943601/) by 7_70 (http://www.flickr.com/people/770/), on Flickr

just saw this on flickr, I dont think ive seen heron from this angle before and its a really nice contrast with the street below:

Mmmmmm Petticoat Lane... :cheers:

There was a murder on that street in Luther! ;)

Haha well spotted Yorkshire boy! :)

Almost overnight it seems a bar called 'The Drift' has appeared on the ground floor, its where the mural type thing is in my photos on the previous page

http://www.thedriftbar.co.uk/

Another recent pic I took of The Heron Tower.

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/benny1982/DSCN3412.jpg

Cleaning the fish tank....

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5307/5882584208_c439911668_b.jpg

Now we can see how big it is. Yea its big but the biggest in europe? How do you call the things in sealife then?

So with a building that size they couldn't have made the pavements a little wider?

So with a building that size they couldn't have made the pavements a little wider?

Bit of an illusion really, the pavement is rather wide - Just that the stainless steel encased columns jut out into the street somewhat, making the pavement look narrow.

See Norwich Jewel's photo, to illustrate my point:

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/benny1982/DSCN3397.jpg

Some more piss poor ones from my walk home

The fencing round the roadway is mostly gone now and the benches are in place

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b316/madmax123/29062011263.jpg

The bar looks like its due to open any day

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b316/madmax123/29062011262.jpg

Bit of the interior visible here, that thing in front is the planter for the trees

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b316/madmax123/29062011261-1.jpg

Best photo in the entire thread. :happy:

Cleaning the fish tank....

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5307/5882584208_c439911668_b.jpg

Shame it doesn't work for me ^^

Best photo in the entire thread. :happy:

I think I'm detecting sarcasm - the photo doesn't work! :nuts: :lol:

Lol it workd yesterday.

I think I'm detecting sarcasm - the photo doesn't work! :nuts: :lol:

There is clearly an issue with Flickr today.

Possibly due to SSC users violating it's member's terms and conditions.

It works for me (currently in the USA)

They hacked flickr(no) could be.

Tenuous link to Heron as it can be seen in the background.
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I was watching Silver Cloud in the same position. I must have been only a few feet away from you Anthony. Lot's of people taking pics!:)

Does anyone know if the idea of the blue LED lights for every floor on the south side has been scraped? It seems odd that its not been lit up fully yet.

Forgive me if this has already been answered in an earlier post.

I was wondering what had happened to the blue LEDs myself, but noticed last night that the east side of the southeast corner has the LEDs going up about 2/3rds of the building. Very good they looked too. Will look great when completed.

I was watching Silver Cloud in the same position. I must have been only a few feet away from you Anthony. Lot's of people taking pics!:)

Was that you wearing the 'Ihttp://i55.************/30jpel0.jpgSkyscrapercity' badge Skydoggy? I did say hello but you ignored me.:)

Was that you wearing the 'Ihttp://i55.************/30jpel0.jpgSkyscrapercity' badge Skydoggy? I did say hello but you ignored me.:)

:lol:I want a badge and a T-shirt!;)

:lol:I want a badge and a T-shirt!;)

Maybe we need a SkyscraperCity funny walk so we can spot each other!

I have so often wondered how many SSC members I have unknowingly walked past.

Sometimes when I catch other people taking pics of skyscrapers under construction I will say out loud to whomever I'm with, 'I'll stick these on skyscrapercity later on'.
To see if anyone overhears and identify themselves.

^^ so British! You could just talk to them?

^^ so British! You could just talk to them?

i've had forumers walk up to me in the past and ask me if i know of skyscrapercity when i've been taking pics, only to recoil when they find out who i am... the oddest was a couple of austrians next to discovery dock.

When people find out who I am they just get abusive.

i've had forumers walk up to me in the past and ask me if i know of skyscrapercity when i've been taking pics, only to recoil when they find out who i am... the oddest was a couple of austrians next to discovery dock.

People recoil when they meet me too - nothing to be ashamed off! :)

When people find out who I am they just get abusive.

If any forumer came up to me in the street I'd offer to buy them a beer! But I like to think I'm a nice kind of chappie! :)

Perhaps a date and time should be made to meet in "The Drift" in the Heron Tower! :cheers:

^^ The dates for 2011 London Open House are 17 & 18 September. We should organise a small get together for whoever is in and around London :).

^^ Good idea!

Me, mulattokid and gothicform have already arranged to meet up. But if anyone want's to join us then more the merrier :). Everyone knows the Shard or Heron etc, so just the time will need to be sorted. PM me if you're interested.

I'll be back in Portsmouth by then, so I should definitely be able to make it up for that. Would be good to meet more forumers, only met one so far!

And to stay on topic, a few of my pictures:

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6015/5912320745_f04ab26a2b_b.jpg
by ghost-of-sparta (http://www.flickr.com/people/ghost-of-sparta/), on Flickr

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6036/5912889586_6daa8ac47f_b.jpg
by ghost-of-sparta (http://www.flickr.com/people/ghost-of-sparta/), on Flickr

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5031/5912897566_0b2d17527c_b.jpg
by ghost-of-sparta (http://www.flickr.com/people/ghost-of-sparta/), on Flickr

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5120/5912344371_29a8030af1_b.jpg
by ghost-of-sparta (http://www.flickr.com/people/ghost-of-sparta/), on Flickr

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6053/5912349945_589d6a3560_b.jpg
by ghost-of-sparta (http://www.flickr.com/people/ghost-of-sparta/), on Flickr

Noooooo! just noticed a mistake, in the pic above of the sw corner where the windows open on that staircase the opening windows are spread equally every 3 windows.... They messed up about 1/4 of the way up!!

Won't be able to look at this in the same way now :-(

I see it too -

The window pattern as you go up is...

Normal, normal, opening,
Normal, normal opening,
Normal, opening,
Normal, normal, normal, opening
Normal, normal, opening

I see it too, does not look good at all. I noticed it right away.

Would be good to meet more forumers, only met one so far!

Yeah, we know, you filthy devil!

Damn that window pattern muck-up. Ah well, most people in the street probably won't notice it. :tongue2:
Yeah, we know, you filthy devil!
:cripes:
...It was all his fault, he started it! :(


:shifty:

I'm not seeing the mess up guys? Looks alright to me?

I'm not seeing the mess up guys? Looks alright to me?

Look on the first image and where the glass is blue on the corner, look at the square black framed windows near to the bottom

The website for the Drift Bar at the foot of the tower is now fully live and has some good shots of the completed interior in the gallery (with glimpses of the fish tank too). Take a look at http://www.thedriftbar.co.uk

The website for the Drift Bar at the foot of the tower is now fully live and has some good shots of the completed interior in the gallery (with glimpses of the fish tank too). Take a look at http://www.thedriftbar.co.uk

Looks pretty nice.
The food doesn't even seem to be too posh or expensive considering.

its run by the same people who have opened the Anthologist on Gresham Street in the new Arab Investments building just off Old Jewry. Pretty good bars, mix of food, good decor and highly popular. I expect Drift will follow in the popularity stakes.

I'm supporting every project right now but this one I just don't think enhances London's image at all. If I'm being horribly, brutally honest....it looks like it needs a re-clad already!

That's my last word on Heron now I have seen it in its entirety. Such a shame when it could've been a reflective glass beauty to balance the black (but stylish) look of St Mary's Axe and Tower 42. Just looks like a jigsaw gone a little wrong :( Anyway, if others enjoy this then great, it's just my final judgement having seen it in the flesh close up and from a distance along with these pics.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-F-zt9m3E2p0/Th90k2V9MtI/AAAAAAAAF5M/4eGiBMeSHZs/s640/IMG_0696.JPG

^^ Nice picture UrbanFuture. Personally I feel the best looking building in that shot is The Willis Building.

^^ agree, willis is underrated I think :)

I'm supporting every project right now but this one I just don't think enhances London's image at all. If I'm being horribly, brutally honest....it looks like it needs a re-clad already!

Just looks like a jigsaw gone a little wrong :( Anyway, if others enjoy this then great, it's just my final judgement having seen it in the flesh close up and from a distance along with these pics.

I do kind-of know what you mean, but I don't think there's much point in anyone getting too bothered about Heron's south face—it's mostly going to be hidden by 100 Bishopsgate anyway.

In fact, I wonder how much less power the PV will generate then?

http://i51.************/30ivn2c.jpg

Is the tower more lighted in the early evening?

There are more BLUE LIGHTS appearing every night and Heron's internal lights
on the top floors have been off over the weekend but usually the top floors are quite brightly lit.

Still haven't found the best settings for night shots but I know from photos by chest that this camera model can take excellent night shots in the right hands. Mind you those security lights on Guy's campus are so bright maybe that's the problem.

http://i54.************/j73zia.jpg

http://i52.************/2ugi2yw.jpg

It looks like they are taking inspiration from the building itself for the lighting scheme... chaotic, messy and half-assed.

A few from yesterday, from Liverpool Street Caffe Nero:

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6002/5945842317_ec9efe4670.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/billrobertspics/5945842317/)
Heron Tower (http://www.flickr.com/photos/billrobertspics/5945842317/) by billroberts500 (http://www.flickr.com/people/billrobertspics/), on Flickr

The fishtank, from the Drift Bar:

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6144/5946400314_89aaa67623.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/billrobertspics/5946400314/)
Heron Tower (http://www.flickr.com/photos/billrobertspics/5946400314/) by billroberts500 (http://www.flickr.com/people/billrobertspics/), on Flickr

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6127/5946390982_3008a36fb1.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/billrobertspics/5946390982/)
Heron Tower (http://www.flickr.com/photos/billrobertspics/5946390982/) by billroberts500 (http://www.flickr.com/people/billrobertspics/), on Flickr

Drift Bar entrance interior:

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6147/5946389220_f362df97b7.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/billrobertspics/5946389220/)
The Drift Bar (http://www.flickr.com/photos/billrobertspics/5946389220/) by billroberts500 (http://www.flickr.com/people/billrobertspics/), on Flickr

Sexy lights

Some videos(8) from somewhone working high at the heron tower. Really nice!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5cXaltc4_I&feature=related

Can only see the top 10/12 floors from the balcony, but looks good.
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Shaky handheld.
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Some videos(8) from somewhone working high at the heron tower. Really nice!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5cXaltc4_I&feature=related

amazing footage, they're insane!

I can't decide whether I like the blue LED's or not. It's a matter of taste of course, but I'm not sure if it's appropriate for the square mile. Possible Canary Wharf? I don't know yet... I think I'll have to see it in person at night to make my mind up.

In my opinion the blue lights would be fine but they are a tad too bright. Should be more subdued, as it its they are just look a bit naff - looks like a fairground ride.

I quite like the random pattern that's going on, probably not intentional. The spire could do with a few lights further on down, either that or it should be fully lit from it's base.

Staircase looks good though :).

In reality the lights are not quite as bright as the photos suggest. The tower seems to be lit differently each night and can look an utter mess in my opinion. Some evenings it looks beautiful, particularly late dusk. The blue lights currently do not go the full length of the building, just the top 10 or so floors and are often lit in a haphazard fashion.

They seem to be taking an awfully long time to get this building finished!:bash:

I agree with Scalatrava, the staircase looks great.:)

Blue lights go well with lloyds mad light scheme... Scalatrava makes a good point- are the LEDs lit randomly or are some unlit?

When leadenhall finally finishes, I think the city will have few interesting lighting schemes to admire, so get used to this guys :) I like it anyway!

Poor photos through double glazing but they have been painting the top of Tower42 GREEN over the last couple of weeks. Could it be to better reflect that laser image they were showing a couple of months ago or just a makeover?.

http://i51.************/wtfzx3.jpg

Poor photos through double glazing but they have been painting the top of Tower42 GREEN over the last couple of weeks. Could it be to better reflect that laser image they were showing a couple of months ago or just a makeover?.


Don't want to go off topic, but I've been noticing they have been removing these (I assume bronze) mullions from the crown of T42 at various stages over the past few months revealing the Verdigris green colour that exists beneath, but they then replace them. Not sure what's going on.But the section you refer to certainly did have an image on it a while back.
Back to Heron, I am not overly keen on the Blue LEDs, bit too 'Shanghai' for me (though subtle for Shangers). Blue LEDs seem to be used all over the place. Hopefully once they are all working consistently it will look better.

By the way Anthony, I've loved your recent animations of 'The Place', they always make me chuckle. Brilliant!

Found this render, exscuse the poor quality, but if you look close enough I believe you can see the blue LED display that Heron are going for. Although I think they're using a much brighter LED on the tower than in the render.

http://i53.************/rigsa0.jpg

Are they brighter? Or is it just that in the render it's not quite so dark so they appear dimmer?

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Are they brighter? Or is it just that in the render it's not quite so dark so they appear dimmer?

You may have a point, but I still believe they would be quite bright even in fairly light conditions.

One from last night :)

http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb375/jpn_gy/P1050060.jpg

So, are people working in offices at this building yet?

Nice up-lighting on the spire.

It's all about the exposure setting on the camera. For example in 11001001's pic, they look fine.

After a few pints at Leadenhall Market, staggered home along the river. Crowds everywhere on a very warm and muggy night.

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^^ Merry Christmas everybody :lol:.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5193/5858360623_d9fa423a23_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/liamch/5858360623/)
A very tall place in a rather large city. (http://www.flickr.com/photos/liamch/5858360623/) by LiamCH (http://www.flickr.com/people/liamch/), on Flickr

Wasn't it LiamCH who ruined our chances of a Shard SSC meet?

Sad he didnt have a nikon.....

From Waterloo Bridge 2 days ago:
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6130/5987569756_618c940fa5_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/theshardbaby2/5987569756/)
CIMG0972 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/theshardbaby2/5987569756/) by The Shard Baby 2 (http://www.flickr.com/people/theshardbaby2/), on Flickr
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6028/5987569764_e0be8f7cdd_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/theshardbaby2/5987569764/)
CIMG0976 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/theshardbaby2/5987569764/) by The Shard Baby 2 (http://www.flickr.com/people/theshardbaby2/), on Flickr

Nice pics Anthony. I think that maybe, as far as I noticed, the first night all blue LEDs were on. I have a good view of the south side from my balcony and they were going on and off in different levels/panels all evening. I never noticed them all on like that at once, so well caught.

Congratulations too on managing to keep the camera steady after a few beers.:cheers:

A youtube video of a timelapse of the London skyline 1078-2014+ (depends on riverside south) using 4D cityscape's London jigsaw puzzle):
The Shard Baby's 4D cityscape London jigsaw puzzle timlapse film (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqwIHdy_kEI)

Wheres the shard?!

Wheres the shard?!


The other side of the river!

Anthony's first shot is amazing! The lighting scheme is damn nice ;).

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The other side of the river!

In shards his video i cant see it sorry.

Hmmm I need to see this lighting scheme in real life to decide. It's when the internal lights are on it makes me undecided.

The Lloyds Building lights are turned off every night around 10:30pm
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That's a great view anthony. Shame you're going to loose it. You'd have a good view of the Leadenhall building.

Yet more pieces of the cross bracing cladding have been removed I noticed this morning

And it appears that a couple of the trees they planted are dying off already!

Thursday 4 Aug 9pm First time I've seen all the BLUE lights on, and none of the RED.

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9:20pm
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I give up. Every time you think all the BLUE lights have been turned on they add another row. Surely there can't be any available space for any more!.
Fri 5 Aug 9pm
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Looks good. Just need to get the Spire lit up.

It's look nasty as if it should be in Shanghai or Moscow. London doesn't need that. I hope they will only be turned on for special occasions.

superb Nightjar, i love towers lit like this at night - the more Shanghai the better i say - hopefully they will be on every night. Sorry Prizemazda couldn't disagree with you more. I'm looking forward to all the skyscrapers in the City having these kinds of lighting schemes.

I must admint this one looks very good at night; I hope Shard, Pinnacle, Cheesegrater and Walkie-talkie are going to have an illumination as good as that, and I'm looking forward to watching the new city cluster completed in a few years, hopefully being able to watch it in real liife and not through pics on a PC monitor.

superb Nightjar, i love towers lit like this at night - the more Shanghai the better i say - hopefully they will be on every night. Sorry Prizemazda couldn't disagree with you more. I'm looking forward to all the skyscrapers in the City having these kinds of lighting schemes.

Taken with my girlfriend's tiny little Panasonic after a night out.

Considering how hammered I was, it's a wonder I was able to hold the camera steady.

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Ermm, what is the picture meant to be? :lol:

Ermm, what is the picture meant to be? :lol:
The Heron Tower lobby-when Nightjar's drinking effects took place.:horse::drunk:

T42 and Gherkin both have rather bleak lighting schemes, but Heron is quite the opposite it seems, and those blue lights that are going on there seem rather lone and look as though they need some company. On the render there were some more lights weren't there? or maybe they just haven't installed them yet. Time will tell. Perhaps its just the angle this photo was taken from and the other 3 sides will show more diverse lights.
Another theory I have and now i come to think of it, the building isn't open meaning the rooms are vacated which in turn suggests that there are no bloody lights on except the exterior blue ones of course. Upon looking at the photo again, I can visualise the effect when the room lights will be turned on. I hope you know what I MEAN.

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I hope everything in this render happens, then I will be very satisfied.

Does seem like it does.....

Does seem like it does.....

But its not occupied yet?

When the office floor lights are all on, it looks like it'll dull the blue lights down a fair bit which should make it look a lot better

not forgetting the rainbow lighting scheme up one the stairwells too :0) not seen that since it was first tested

I know this is a bit off topic, but does anyone think that if the south facade was cladded with entirely mirrored glass, it would look fantastic?

OK own up, who is it? Noticed a bloke in the fading light on Heron Tower and thought at first he was going to jump, but then he appears to be taking photos.
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Finger crossed that are the first pictures from there up.

The Ghost of Downfallen perhaps?!?!?!?!?

Couple shots :D

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http://i978.photobucket.com/albums/ae264/SavResta/London/IMG_0337.jpg

http://i978.photobucket.com/albums/ae264/SavResta/London/IMG_0477.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6068/6041597247_f62ba07b38_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ratfinklondon/6041597247/)
100 Bishopsgate EC2 - Tower Crane (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ratfinklondon/6041597247/) by Ratfink - London (http://www.flickr.com/people/ratfinklondon/), on Flickr

Sexy stairwell. Those blue lights really are nice. Can't wait for this tower to open.

Progress over time

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o190/jmoxon/London/HeronTower.gif

^^ In Bishopsgate it is always sunny, but none of the vehicles ever move :)

With which programe did you make that?

Photoshop:)

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6196/6043259797_337b3ce43b_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/olivergt/6043259797/sizes/l/in/photostream/

Personally I love the lights, Don't really understand some of the reservations expressed on this thread.

Wow thats new it looks great.

Anybody see a similarity between this face and the North face of the Leadenhall Building? I've only just realised that they are very similar.

Landing into London last night Heron looks stunning - crappy quality from my iPhone.

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