View Full Version : Hotel Indigo | Chapel Street/Rumford Place | 7 storeys
Doug Roberts November 25th, 2006, 11:54 AM Report in today’s DP.
Vermont is planning a £20m office scheme for it’s Chapel street site bought recently off Rumford Investments. The scheme will see 60,000 sq ft of grade A office space on 8 floors. There will be entrances on both the Chapel St and Rumford Place elevations of the new building with a link between both of them. The buildings will consist of 15,000 and 45,000 sq ft respectively, with floor plates of 5,500 and 2,000 sq ft.
Mark Connor of Vermont said “We’ve done a lot of residential but we see a strong commercial market emerging in Liverpool. We think our concept is ideally suited to companies in the Liverpool office market. Some 80% of the businesses in the city have less than 20 employees”
Top marks to Vermont!! it seems clear they know their market very well. I think the L shaped site would have proved difficult to accommodate a tower. Vermont’s plan takes full advantage of having street frontages on 2 sides of the site and it finally fills in the open space on Chapel St. which has been an eyesore for donkeys years.
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/6443/dsc03791hu7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
westisbest November 25th, 2006, 12:28 PM thanks to them
woody November 25th, 2006, 02:44 PM Nice one Doug, its looks ok, will intergrate a revamped Yorkshire House into the city block.
Doug Roberts November 25th, 2006, 06:33 PM Martins pic from last week showed Yorkshire House with the extra floor being added on top, I think this Vermont plan is just about right here as it reinstates the building line on Chapel St.
Liverpool8 November 25th, 2006, 06:36 PM and provides a good example of how to combine old and new in this area.
Tony Sebo November 25th, 2006, 07:31 PM it certainly does L8.... that reference line, which in this case stops at the level of the Yorkshire building's roofline, could actually continue up another 5, 10... 60 stories once the reference had been made without causing any 'offence'!
Martin S November 25th, 2006, 10:21 PM I quite like this building but I think that something taller would be more appropriate in this location. I'm not thinking a tower so much as a building of ten or so storeys - taller than the adjacent buildings.
I think something like that would do better to smooth the transition between Yorkshire House and No. 1 Old Hall Street. As YH is seen nowadays as the architecturally superior building, the new building tries its best to follow its roofline but then just crashes into the 60s building.
I would be interested to see what is planned for Rumford Place where there is a major height discrepancy between Yorkshire House and the Georgian terraces on the other side of the gap.
I remember my uncle telling me that Yorkshire House was seen as a very modern building when first built. The older buildings on the site had building lines further forward but YH was built further back to allow the street to be wider. It is probably that historic reason that led to the Unity temporary showhouse being allowed to stand forward of the other buildings.
JUXTAPOL November 26th, 2006, 06:22 PM Looks good, to restore the street frontage, I hate those empty plots all over the city, one day they will all be filled. Hows about a nice tower over the road on the Pig and whistle site, don't know if the Pig could be incorporated into the design.
Martin S November 26th, 2006, 09:02 PM Looks good, to restore the street frontage, I hate those empty plots all over the city, one day they will all be filled. Hows about a nice tower over the road on the Pig and whistle site, don't know if the Pig could be incorporated into the design.
Yes, I think that is the best site in the city. Nothing seems to have happened there since the war, apart from the momentous day when it was taken over by NCP.
When you look around, there is an amazing amount of empty space in the centre of the city that is just used as car parking.
Pietari November 26th, 2006, 11:39 PM Report in today’s DP.
Vermont is planning a £20m office scheme for it’s Chapel street site bought recently off Rumford Investments. The scheme will see 60,000 sq ft of grade A office space on 8 floors. There will be entrances on both the Chapel St and Rumford Place elevations of the new building with a link between both of them. The buildings will consist of 15,000 and 45,000 sq ft respectively, with floor plates of 5,500 and 2,000 sq ft.
Mark Connor of Vermont said “We’ve done a lot of residential but we see a strong commercial market emerging in Liverpool. We think our concept is ideally suited to companies in the Liverpool office market. Some 80% of the businesses in the city have less than 20 employees”
Top marks to Vermont!! it seems clear they know their market very well. I think the L shaped site would have proved difficult to accommodate a tower. Vermont’s plan takes full advantage of having street frontages on 2 sides of the site and it finally fills in the open space on Chapel St. which has been an eyesore for donkeys years.
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/6443/dsc03791hu7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Well `Cracker Jack`, I remember the building on that site being knocked down in 1971/1972 for a new development ...... about the same time as the `Atlantic Tower Hotel` and `RSA` etc where being developed, better late than never, maybe.....
It does however again re-enforce the perils of missing the tide of reinvestment - when ever it shows it`s head.
bustcapl November 27th, 2006, 02:46 PM Well `Cracker Jack`, I remember the building on that site being knocked down in 1971/1972 for a new development ...... about the same time as the `Atlantic Tower Hotel` and `RSA` etc where being developed, better late than never, maybe.....
It does however again re-enforce the perils of missing the tide of reinvestment - when ever it shows it`s head.
a great little project would be nice to see a few flagship comapnies now filling the office space rather than the continual office merry-go-round that appears to exist
Pietari December 1st, 2006, 09:01 PM I suppose on average that is par for the course Bustcapl, nevertheless it often releases smaller buildings for new uses.
There are many many buildings in the downtown area for example that at one time would never have been considered for conversion to flats etc but once upon a time provided lower grade office space.
The Albany in Old Hall Street may not entirely be a good example of such a transition in use but has indeed added to the mix, for what ever reason.
Martin S December 2nd, 2006, 05:25 PM True, many of our great office buildings from the early 20c are not very well suited to modern office requirements. They lack the wide floor plates or the air conditioning that is a feature of newer buildings, they also are not too good at accommodating the raised floors needed for modern office equipment. If more top grade modern office space can be provided, that frees up lower grade space at a lower rental - or for conversion to apartments. Clearly if a firm is prepared to pay significantly more per square foot to occupy new buildings, there must be some advantage.
bustcapl December 4th, 2006, 11:28 AM I suppose on average that is par for the course Bustcapl, nevertheless it often releases smaller buildings for new uses.
There are many many buildings in the downtown area for example that at one time would never have been considered for conversion to flats etc but once upon a time provided lower grade office space.
The Albany in Old Hall Street may not entirely be a good example of such a transition in use but has indeed added to the mix, for what ever reason.
in terms of the portrayal of the city to those who live outside a large company making a significant investment in the city would do as much in positive PR as any of the other projects in the city.
This really would be a red letter day for the city and could finally dispell the notion of liverpool that is still perceived by so many!
Pietari December 4th, 2006, 02:55 PM Amen to that I say :cheers:
Doug Roberts December 23rd, 2006, 03:23 PM Vermont have submitted a planning application for this scheme, it seems they're not hanging around with this job.
06F/3573: To erect an 8 storey office development with basement car parking.
eyeam December 28th, 2006, 12:47 PM Looks good. Much better than what's there now.
Tony Sebo December 28th, 2006, 11:18 PM Looks good, to restore the street frontage, I hate those empty plots all over the city, one day they will all be filled. Hows about a nice tower over the road on the Pig and whistle site, don't know if the Pig could be incorporated into the design.
Excellent idea... the site is perfect and screams for a fuck off mega-build. Sadly they would restrict it, just as they did with Nowrich house on Water St... or even worse, they would make it pay homage to the Pig!
Liverpool8 December 29th, 2006, 12:07 AM Excellent idea... the site is perfect and screams for a fuck off mega-build. Sadly they would restrict it, just as they did with Nowrich house on Water St... or even worse, they would make it pay homage to the Pig!
I would be quite happy if they just filled in the empty spaces with buildings of the calibre being proposed for this site rather than leaving them as they are. How many mini carparks on the sites of demolished buildings do we need in this part of town?
Tony Sebo December 29th, 2006, 12:53 AM what happens when all the sites are filled with mediocre stuff though?
We would have to start knocking down some of our old gems... or lose out!
As we would never be allowed a building of the scale actually needed to grace (and maximise value etc) this site I would like to see it developed as a number of linked urban squares... imagine what the edges would be defined by. Martins Bank and India bdgs.... Exchange Flags, Oriel chambers, the racquets club and that other fine old stuff that backs onto it... all we need is to drop the pig and Norwich house! What a square they would be.
JUXTAPOL February 6th, 2007, 05:56 PM There is a good little fly through video of the Vermont Tower proposal for Sefton St, below.
Flythrough here (http://www.vermontdevelopments.com/ourvision/residential/seftonst.html)
T0M February 6th, 2007, 06:17 PM Nice fly-through, but hasn't the design changed again since then?
westisbest February 6th, 2007, 06:57 PM whole thing is class
dups45 February 6th, 2007, 11:43 PM Yay, i prefer this design to the one that is being posted around atm
PunkyPaul85 February 7th, 2007, 09:11 AM Sweet :)
Pietari February 7th, 2007, 04:23 PM I like the fly through although the complex looks like something out of `Stingray` but at least that was 21st Century, Liverpools obviously going to have that look!
Which could be quite a gain.
T0M February 14th, 2007, 11:58 AM Erm nothing much to say here... new photos of the 'other' Vermont building now on correct thread, how confusing having two Vermont buildings!
Doug Roberts February 15th, 2007, 10:07 AM Tom, great pics but this thread is for the Vermont building in Chapel St. the other Vermont building on Sefton St. is on another thread.
T0M February 15th, 2007, 11:48 AM Oops, sorry! I posted it on here because the flythrough that JUXT posted earlier was for the Sefton Street building.. Do you know where that thread is? hang on, I'll try and locate it..
Scarecrow February 15th, 2007, 12:52 PM You muppet! :lol:
T0M February 15th, 2007, 01:11 PM You muppet! :lol:
I think JUXT must also apply for Muppetness as he did leadeth me astray! :nuts:
JUXTAPOL February 15th, 2007, 03:01 PM How many of these pesky Vermont buildings are there..! which thread am i in, where am i, i'm getting all confused :crazy2: :nuts:
Doug Roberts October 15th, 2008, 09:34 AM Planning app. 08F/2472 To erect new build 151 bedroom hotel over 7/8 floors at Rumford Place/Chapel St. application by Vermont Chapel St.
Vermont have had a change of plan here, what's really encouraging about this is that they are continuing on with development of what is an ugly scar on the the Chapel St area.
Lathom October 15th, 2008, 02:10 PM Planning app. 08F/2472 To erect new build 151 bedroom hotel over 7/8 floors at Rumford Place/Chapel St. application by Vermont Chapel St.
Vermont have had a change of plan here, what's really encouraging about this is that they are continuing on with development of what is an ugly scar on the the Chapel St area.
Something is better than nothing, but it's disappointing that they no longer think there is a market for offices on a site at the heart of the business district.
Dane_e October 15th, 2008, 02:19 PM Any idea what will happen to the remainder of the bombed wall thing?
Dane_e October 15th, 2008, 02:26 PM i'm thinking of the wrong site arent i...
Joe the red October 15th, 2008, 02:30 PM No. I think you're right Dane. Between St Nick's and the Western Approaches.
Ste October 15th, 2008, 02:51 PM No this is between Yorkshire House and Number One Old Hall Street.
I don't think this is bad at all. One thing Liverpool's Business District lacks is a good mix of uses. A decent sized busy hotel on this site would be great.
Doug Roberts October 9th, 2009, 09:58 AM Thanks to Howie for flagging up this on another thread, look forward to the day this thread can be moved into the construction section.
From the Daily Post report.
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/9145/p1000747b.jpg (http://img3.imageshack.us/i/p1000747b.jpg/)
http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpool-news/regional-news/2009/10/09/14m-luxury-hotel-indigo-to-open-in-liverpool-in-2011-92534-24888785/
Chris B October 9th, 2009, 05:53 PM Like a lot of developments, things had gone very quiet on this one, so it's good to hear that things are still moving forward. There are still too many empty sites dotted around the wider CBD area, so it'll be good to see another one filled.
Regarding the name of the thread, seen as the Vermont name seems to have disappeared off radar, and is causing confusion with the Sefton Street development, maybe this thread could be re-named -
Indigo Hotel | Chapel Street/Rumford Place | 7 storeys
or something similar?
Paul D October 9th, 2009, 06:02 PM You'll have to contact Bammy directly for the thread renaming Chris.:)
Chris B October 9th, 2009, 06:16 PM ^^
Yup, will do. I just wanted to sound out the suggestion in case anyone had a better idea for what the thread should be called. :)
Paul D October 9th, 2009, 06:38 PM That'll do.:)
Howie_P October 9th, 2009, 11:38 PM £14m luxury Hotel Indigo to open in Liverpool in 2011
Oct 9 2009
Liverpool Echo
http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/liverpoolecho/oct2009/1/6/hotel-indigo-416980509.jpg
A LUXURY £14m boutique hotel is to be built in the heart of Liverpool’s central business district.
International hotel giant InterContinental Hotels Group (IHG) has revealed the 151-bed development in Chapel Street will operate under its newest brand – Hotel Indigo – and will open for business in spring 2011.
It will be built and owned by Merseyside-based entrepreneur Simon Matthews- Williams’ company Sanguine Hospitality Management, which already has hotels, health clubs and spas across the UK.
Mr Matthews-Williams is well known in Liverpool for opening the waterfront Crowne Plaza Hotel more than a decade ago.
Sanguine’s portfolio also includes Hoole Hall at Chester, the King's Gap in Hoylake, where he is investing £7m, and West Tower country house near Ormskirk.
He also revealed yesterday he is planning to build a budget hotel in James Street in Liverpool city centre.
Mr Matthews-Williams told the ECHO he was not daunted by the prospect of building new hotels amid the worst recession for a generation.
Continues (http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news/2009/10/09/14m-luxury-hotel-indigo-to-open-in-liverpool-in-2011-100252-24887078/2/) >>
buggedboy October 9th, 2009, 11:52 PM Good addition this. They will hve to get building bfore the end of the year to hit their target, so we are talking a couple of months at the very latest.They alredy have approval, so hopefully I will be able to upload snaps soon, being as it aint too far from my office.
Blue Lou October 12th, 2009, 12:20 PM [I posted in wrong thread!]
Doug Roberts November 28th, 2009, 05:16 PM Chapel St. will look loads better once this is done, only the car park behind the Pig to sort then.
http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/6135/p1000805.jpg (http://img340.imageshack.us/i/p1000805.jpg/)
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/4329/p1000807l.jpg (http://img41.imageshack.us/i/p1000807l.jpg/)
Martin S November 28th, 2009, 09:18 PM Thanks for the photos Doug. Any idea when they are going to knock down the Unity sales office and give the pavement back?
crisis November 28th, 2009, 09:39 PM Pretty amazing that any planners ever would allow that atrocity, completely mucks the whole street up. Why would you build it stuck out like that? Tell me? Why??
Martin S November 28th, 2009, 10:00 PM Pretty amazing that any planners ever would allow that atrocity, completely mucks the whole street up. Why would you build it stuck out like that? Tell me? Why??
I think for two reasons crisis. One is that it is a temporary building (although it must have been there a good six years now) and the other that it follows the building line of the building that was there before. I remember many years ago my uncle telling me that Yorkshire House had been built set back as it is to conform with plans to widen Tithebarn Street and the much later No.1 Old Hall Street had gone along with that. The new Indigo Hotel will finally complete the new building line of the block which was first mooted over seventy years ago.
Doug Roberts November 29th, 2009, 10:35 AM Martin, I haven't heard anything about the Unity sales office, I would guess it will be part of the Indigo build. That chunk of pavement has been missing for as long as I can remember, with some hoarding around it and what seemed to be a cellar behind it. Chapel St. will look much better once the building line is re-instated.
woody November 29th, 2009, 09:35 PM Martin, I haven't heard anything about the Unity sales office, I would guess it will be part of the Indigo build. That chunk of pavement has been missing for as long as I can remember, with some hoarding around it and what seemed to be a cellar behind it. Chapel St. will look much better once the building line is re-instated.
Doug, thanks for the pics, is Yorkshire House part of this new Hotel ?
Doug Roberts November 30th, 2009, 09:25 AM Woody, I think the hotel is an L shaped building around Yorkshire House, the To Let sign seems to indicate that YH will be separate.
Doug Roberts March 4th, 2010, 08:41 AM Thanks to Ste for the tip on another thread.
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/7417/p1000930x.jpg
buggedboy March 4th, 2010, 09:56 AM Brilliant to see this project actually underway. This should really add to the street level activity in the area and should support further expansion of Exchange Flags as a visitor/leisure destination. Hopefully we should see further investment in the area soon.
Ste March 4th, 2010, 04:44 PM No probs Doug. I knew there was a dedicated thread but was too lazy to find it.
Doug Roberts March 22nd, 2010, 06:48 PM Showroom all gone.
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/616/p1000978u.jpg
http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/4966/p1000979l.jpg
Howie_P March 23rd, 2010, 10:41 AM Work starts on Liverpool’s £15m Hotel Indigo
Mar 23 2010
by Tony McDonough, Liverpool Daily
WORK is now under way on a £15m boutique hotel in Liverpool, after bankers provided a £10m funding package.
Hotel Indigo is scheduled to open its doors in Chapel Street, in the heart of the city centre’s business district, in spring next year.
The four-star, 151-bed hotel is just yards from the 20 Chapel Street office development and the historic St Nicholas’ Church.
It will be owned and operated by Sanguine Hospitality, and will become only the third Hotel Indigo in the UK.
The Co-operative Bank’s Liverpool corporate banking centre has provided £10m for the scheme.
Representatives from the Co-op Bank and Intercontinental Hotels, which owns the Hotel Indigo brand, visited the site last week to mark the start of work by contractor Denizen.
Nick Taplin, managing director at Sanguine Hospitality, said: “Merseyside’s tourism economy is worth more than £1.4bn and rising.
“In spite of one of the worst recessions in recent times, the city region continues to grow as a destination of choice for domestic and international visitors.
“Our level of investment in Hotel Indigo reflects our level of faith in the city and the direction it is taking.
“We intend to bring something new and creative to Liverpool’s hotel market, giving visitors a real alternative.
Continues (http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpool-news/regional-news/2010/03/23/work-starts-on-liverpool-s-15m-hotel-indigo-92534-26089078/2/) >>
yoshef March 23rd, 2010, 11:20 AM a marginally better render ...
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x167/yoshef/development/properties-hotelindigo.gif
yoshef March 23rd, 2010, 11:27 AM And a different render from Falconer Chester Hall's website
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x167/yoshef/development/indigo-hotel2.jpg
T0M March 23rd, 2010, 11:48 AM a marginally better render ...
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x167/yoshef/development/properties-hotelindigo.gif
Much prefer this one. Does anyone know which is the more recent?
djdando March 23rd, 2010, 01:00 PM Is Yorkshire House being incorporated into this development?
Babaloo March 23rd, 2010, 01:05 PM Much prefer this one. Does anyone know which is the more recent?
Me, too. You can bet your bottom dollar that the shite one is the more recent! Hope I'm wrong.
buggedboy March 23rd, 2010, 01:16 PM Is Yorkshire House being incorporated into this development?
Nope. The hotel wraps around and behind it. Yorkshire House is an office building and only recently had a major refurb.
djdando March 23rd, 2010, 03:47 PM Nope. The hotel wraps around and behind it. Yorkshire House is an office building and only recently had a major refurb.
Cheers
Howie_P March 24th, 2010, 12:48 AM http://www.placenorthwest.co.uk/assets/_files/cached/img/402x236/mar_10/pnw__1269340882_Indigo_Hotel_in_Chapel_Street.jpg
Work starts on Sanguine's Indigo hotel
23 Mar 2010, 10:42
Michael Hunt
Work has started on a 151-bed four-star luxury boutique hotel on Chapel Street in Liverpool city centre.
A £10m funding package for the project was provided by The Co-operative Bank's Liverpool Corporate Banking Centre.
The £15m hotel will be developed by Simon Matthews-Williams' Sanguine Hospitality under the InterContinental Group's Hotel Indigo brand, which will be the third of this type in the UK. The hotel is scheduled to open in spring next year.
http://www.placenorthwest.co.uk/assets/_files/cached/img/150x100/mar_10/pnw__1269340522_Work_starts_on_Sanguines_Indig.jpg
The Co-operative Bank and Intercontinental Hotels visited the site last week to officially mark the onset of work by contractor Denizen.
Nick Taplin, managing director at Sanguine Hospitality, said: "Merseyside's tourism economy is worth over £1.4bn and rising. In spite of one of the worst recessions in recent times, the city region continues to grow as a destination of choice for domestic and international visitors.
"Our level of investment in Hotel Indigo reflects our level of faith in the city and the direction it is taking. We intend to bring something new and creative to Liverpool's hotel market, giving visitors a real alternative and further strengthening the city's appeal.
"The commercial district offers an excellent location, with a real sense of place in the heart of the city and situated perfectly to welcome both business and leisure guests."
Dave Matthews, senior business development manager at The Co-operative Bank's Liverpool Corporate Banking Centre, added: "We are delighted at being involved in bringing this exciting new hotel brand to Liverpool. At a time when some banks are still not able to provide significant funding like this, we were able to work closely with what is a very experienced and capable management team to deliver a financial package that exactly meets their requirements."
Falconer Chester Hall Architects and its associate company, FCH Interiors, were appointed to design the build and interior design of the new hotel.
The Indigo hotel will be built on an infill site between Yorkshire House on Chapel Street and 1 Old Hall Street, home of Liverpool Chamber of Commerce.
The site was formerly owned by developer Vermont Developments which planned a speculative office building before the downturn. Vermont Developments was put into administration in August 2008 after a residential development in Salford stalled.
The new hotel will feature an internal courtyard as well as a ground floor restaurant, bar, gym and café amongst its facilities.
Mark Doohan, FCH director, added: "Chapel Street was one of the five key streets of the city, at the centre of the city's mercantile activity and cotton trade especially, with a concentration of cotton trading and storage houses.
"We wanted to reflect upon this context to fix the scheme in its locality and to tell the story of the city's growth around the Chapel Street area, driven by the historic links with America and the cotton trade.
"So the facade and, of course, the interior draw their inspiration from cotton's textures, weaves and colours, echoing a key strand of the hotel's brand DNA, which is about being refreshingly local and telling intriguing stories.
"Indigo is going to be a landmark development for the city's historic centre, drawing on its waterfront and maritime heritage in a contemporary but respectful way. We're delighted to be involved."
The first Hotel Indigo brand hotels were opened in 2009 in London Paddington and Glasgow.
Sanguine Hospitality is committed to expanding the Hotel Indigo brand across the UK and Hotel Indigo Newcastle will follow Liverpool's opening in spring 2011.
Source: Place North West (http://www.placenorthwest.co.uk/news/archive/5707-work-starts-on-sanguine-s-indigo-hotel.html)
T0M March 24th, 2010, 11:44 AM ANOTHER render?! :nuts: Perhaps this is some sort of new high tech cladding skin which changes it's appearance like a chameleon?
Anyone know how Bo Concept is getting on? Only been in there once, seemed like a good shop and the sort of place which would now thrive on say Hannover Street, but I just can't see how it gets any business in that location, unless it does a lot of internet orders?
buggedboy March 24th, 2010, 12:07 PM They are clearly locating themselves near to the money though. Business folk cannot get over to Hanover St on their miniscule lunch breaks. It makes sense in a way as they aren’t reliant on passing trade as much.
I thought Giant, the ludicrously expensive bike shop, would also struggle on Parliament Street. Is it still going?
Martin S March 28th, 2010, 12:49 AM Photos of the site today with work on the demolition started and (hopefully) construction about to start.
From Rumford Place:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v421/Martin_S/Indigo%20Hotel/100327-1.jpg
From Chapel Street:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v421/Martin_S/Indigo%20Hotel/100327-2.jpg
Foundations of the previous building on the site on the former building line of Tithebarn Street:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v421/Martin_S/Indigo%20Hotel/100327-3.jpg
McGrath March 28th, 2010, 11:21 PM Is this going to go on the construction thread?
Does anybody know if we are set for a 5-star hotel anytime soon?
Thanks for the photos Martin. I hope the Troll doesn't see that last photo as at the far end of those foundations there appears to be something that looks suspiciously like the opening of a tunnel...
Howie_P March 28th, 2010, 11:44 PM Hotel Indigo to open in Liverpool, UK
Work is now underway on a new £15m boutique hotel in the heart of Liverpool’s commercial district.
http://www.hoteldesigns.co.uk/library/1269388800/24_03_10_hotel_indigo_liverpool_carmen_lrg.jpg
Hotel Indigo Liverpool. Image courtsey of Falconer Chester Hall Architects.
The 151-bed, four-star Hotel Indigo is set to open in Chapel Street, near to the historic St Nicholas’ Church in 2011, creating more than 50 full and part time jobs.
A £10m funding package for the project was provided by The Co-operative Bank’s Liverpool Corporate Banking Centre (CBC).
The hotel, owned and operated by north west development group, Sanguine Hospitality, will become only the third Hotel Indigo in the UK.
The Co-operative Bank and Intercontinental Hotels, which owns the Hotel Indigo brand, visited the site last week to officially mark the onset of work by contractor Denizen.
Sanguine Hospitality, managing director, Nick Taplin said: “Merseyside’s tourism economy is worth over £1.4billion and rising. In spite of one of the worst recessions in recent times, the city region continues to grow as a destination of choice for domestic and international visitors. Our level of investment in Hotel Indigo reflects our level of faith in the city and the direction it is taking. We intend to bring something new and creative to Liverpool’s hotel market, giving visitors a real alternative and further strengthening the city’s appeal."
Falconer Chester Hall Architects and its associate company, FCH Interiors, were appointed to design the build and interior design of the new hotel.
Falconer Chester Hall Architects, director, Mark Doohan said they took their inspiration from the historic context of the area, adding: “Chapel Street was one of the five key streets of the city, at the centre of the city’s mercantile activity and cotton trade especially, with a concentration of cotton trading and storage houses.
“We wanted to reflect upon this context to fix the scheme in its locality and to tell the story of the city’s growth around the Chapel Street area, driven by the historic links with America and the cotton trade.
“So the facade and, of course, the interior draw their inspiration from cotton’s textures, weaves and colours, echoing a key strand of the hotel’s brand DNA, which is about being refreshingly local and telling intriguing stories.
“Indigo is going to be a landmark development for the city’s historic centre, drawing on its waterfront and maritime heritage in a contemporary but respectful way. We’re delighted to be involved.”
The Hotel Indigo brand began its global roll-out in 2009 with London Paddington and Glasgow.
Sanguine Hospitality is committed to expanding the Hotel Indigo brand across the UK and Hotel Indigo Newcastle will follow Liverpool’s opening in Spring 2011.
Source: Hotel Designs (http://www.hoteldesigns.co.uk/industrynews/news_6920.html)
buggedboy March 29th, 2010, 12:10 AM It'd be great if they did put some outdoor seating there, but I doubt they will.
Tuesday March 29th, 2010, 12:27 AM Looks classy on that render. Looking forward to seeing it completed.
T0M March 29th, 2010, 01:26 PM I thought Giant, the ludicrously expensive bike shop, would also struggle on Parliament Street. Is it still going?
Yes, seems to be doing ok as well (which probably has something to do with the lack of another decent bike shop in the city centre)
Doug Roberts March 29th, 2010, 01:48 PM Martin thanks for the update, let's get this thread onto the construction forum.
Chris B March 29th, 2010, 02:17 PM And a different render from Falconer Chester Hall's website
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x167/yoshef/development/indigo-hotel2.jpg
With regard to which render is which, the one above is the original design from November 2006, when Vermont were still attached to the development, and the site was to be developed as offices. In other words, the above render is not the one we'll see built.
ctid March 29th, 2010, 02:18 PM With regard to a 5* hotel, Layla hotel on corner of dale street and sir thomas street is aiming to be a 7* (which will officially 'only' be a 5*)
buggedboy March 29th, 2010, 02:50 PM The starring system is silly. 5* should be the best there is. Even if your room came with an amazonian slave woman/man for massages and a helicopter for taking you to a restaurant, it would only be 5*. That's the point.
jetsetwilly March 29th, 2010, 06:28 PM It'd be great if they did put some outdoor seating there, but I doubt they will.
I should imagine they will, if only so there is somewhere for the smokers in the bar/restaurant to go for a fag. There's plenty of room and it'll stop them wandering off to spend elsewhere.
Doug Roberts April 12th, 2010, 03:25 PM Site clearance and some foundation work being done.
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Chris B April 28th, 2010, 01:58 PM I'm not sure whether this may slightly delay progress -
From the Planning Explorer -
Application Number - 10F/0764
Site Address - Rumford Place/Chapel Street (to the side and rear of Yorkshire House), Liverpool, L3 9BY
Proposal - To vary condition No.14 in respect of application 09F/2148 to provide amendments to the approved scheme, including the reduction of the footprint of the building to the rear, alterations to the internal courtyard and wall, and reduction in the size of window openings to the rear.
Applicant - Vermont Chapel Street
Ste May 17th, 2010, 12:43 PM Looks like this is at full height already. Only caught a quick glimpse of it this morning but appears to be steaming ahead...
buggedboy May 17th, 2010, 12:58 PM Excellent.:)
Joe the red May 17th, 2010, 04:03 PM Just the Chapel St elevation has been constructed. Wasn't there some planning amendment submitted which might affect the Rumford St elevation and the depth of the proposed construction?
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buggedboy May 17th, 2010, 04:41 PM Still ,that was bloomin quick.
tommygunn May 17th, 2010, 06:05 PM They are not hanging around with this site are they that was fast.
Doug Roberts May 23rd, 2010, 01:31 PM http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/3856/p1010284om.jpg
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Dreamer May 23rd, 2010, 04:01 PM Starting to really take shape, its going to make such a difference to the streetscape when completed
chansau June 11th, 2010, 11:08 PM any more pics please?
Joe the red June 13th, 2010, 12:01 PM From Rumford Place
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Doug Roberts June 13th, 2010, 01:48 PM Looks like a start has been made on the floors.
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Skie June 13th, 2010, 08:59 PM Anyone staying in there wont get much of a view!
Babaloo June 14th, 2010, 10:07 AM Over the weekend, I spoke to someone who said that she had stayed at the Hotel Indigo in Chelsea (West 28th Street) and that it was great, with a lot of attention to detail. I wonder if this hotel will be open before our beloved Lay-la?
yoshef July 8th, 2010, 04:05 PM didn't have time to go around the other side
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Doug Roberts July 11th, 2010, 01:20 PM http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/7740/p1010391o.jpg
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Joe the red July 25th, 2010, 01:36 PM Not much progress
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but when it is finished, let's hope it does justice to Yorkshire House, which it wraps around.
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Joe the red August 22nd, 2010, 09:57 PM Rumford Place elevation.
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Matthias Corvinus August 23rd, 2010, 01:49 AM Thanks for the pictures, Joe. It's nice to see this coming along.
I like that they've managed to snake around Yorkshire House to use all the available space. Let's see how the cladding looks.
Babaloo August 23rd, 2010, 10:18 AM Cheers, Joe (Doug and yoshef). That Yorkshire House building is so hot, I can't believe it hasn't been snapped up.
buggedboy August 27th, 2010, 01:22 PM http://www.placenorthwest.co.uk/assets/_files/cached/img/402x268.134/aug_10/pnw__1282838746_Dale_Street_crop.jpg
This is the latest image of the scheme, now showing the retained frontage of the old Spar.
I actually think the planners did a good job here.
Scarecrow August 27th, 2010, 03:14 PM Aye, they've managed to move it on to a different street and everything!
Ste August 27th, 2010, 03:57 PM Bugged is pissed
buggedboy August 27th, 2010, 04:32 PM I'd swear down on me Ma's flipflop I'd put that photo in the right thread.
Arse.
Martin S September 2nd, 2010, 09:29 PM The hotel on Monday. Seems like work has started on the cladding.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v421/Martin_S/Indigo%20Hotel/100831-1.jpg
Matthias Corvinus September 10th, 2010, 10:09 PM Yesterday:
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Joe the red September 12th, 2010, 10:55 AM Just to add to MC's update, there has been little progress on the Rumford Place elevation.
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Doug Roberts September 12th, 2010, 01:55 PM http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/7653/p1010531.jpg
woody September 12th, 2010, 08:41 PM wow Doug, the shot of the day (almost as good as Arteta) great angle ,and Yorkshire House looks beautiful and now not so isolated.
All our snappers seem to be following each other, thanks guys for the updates.
AudioNinja September 13th, 2010, 12:10 PM http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4150/4986284728_2598a632d3.jpg
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Doug Roberts September 14th, 2010, 09:49 AM Cheers Woody, I thought Cahill's header was more impressive, thanks to Ninja for the pics.
Babaloo September 18th, 2010, 09:08 AM Just a bit down the street (outside bo concept) - this caught my attention. It's not a Biennial piece but it could be: especially the reflection :)
http://i879.photobucket.com/albums/ab353/Babaloo5/BF1.jpg
Joe the red September 26th, 2010, 11:42 AM Few signs of change, externally at least
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Joe the red October 23rd, 2010, 01:11 PM Unbelievable progress.
Not at all sure about it though.
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yoshef October 23rd, 2010, 02:11 PM Funky! Nice one Joe :cheers:
Portobello Red October 23rd, 2010, 03:59 PM ^^
So now we know which of the renders they've decided on:
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eyeam October 23rd, 2010, 05:27 PM I was hoping they wouldn't go with that render... looks a bit tacky.
I'll wait for the finished article to judge it properly though.
Evertonian October 23rd, 2010, 07:30 PM I really like the bold use of colours.
design_man October 23rd, 2010, 08:19 PM sticks and stones may break my bones but colours can never hurt me
Martin S October 24th, 2010, 12:06 PM I think that this coloured cladding has been chosen to unite the Chapel Street elevation with the Rumford Place elevation to get over the message that this is quite a big hotel - something which is not apparent when you see only the Chapel Street elevation. Be interested to see what material they use for the upper storey and edges of the building.
eyeam October 24th, 2010, 07:16 PM Hopefully Portland Stone cladding panels
jetsetwilly October 24th, 2010, 07:31 PM I'm liking that. It's a nice contrast to the white buildings that surround it on the street.
Martin S October 24th, 2010, 09:07 PM Hopefully Portland Stone cladding panels
The render seems to indicate that.
Joe the red November 28th, 2010, 12:50 PM Some progress at the upper levels
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/6773/p1030098z.jpg
Portobello Red January 9th, 2011, 03:14 PM alfplant2009 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/44851122@N06/)
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yoshef January 19th, 2011, 04:48 PM http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x167/yoshef/P1080423.jpg
Nathan4 January 19th, 2011, 05:47 PM Excellent facade, nothing too over the top but definitely different.
buggedboy January 19th, 2011, 08:13 PM Smart and inoffensive. Perfect for the location really. Roll on opening time. I guess LFC execs will be booking into the restaurant a fair bit.
Doug Roberts March 1st, 2011, 09:54 AM Spoke to one of the workmen yesterday who said they were hoping for completion at the end of March.
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Ste March 1st, 2011, 04:35 PM This will hopefully add a lot of much needed out of office activity to the area when this opens.
buggedboy March 30th, 2011, 05:53 PM http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj32/buggedboy/IMAG0195.jpg
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yoshef March 30th, 2011, 11:39 PM cheers for the updates BB! :cheers:
cambrian March 30th, 2011, 11:58 PM Really like this one..sort of came from nowhere.
yes thanks for the updates BB -doing a weekday version of Joe's Sunday picture show.
buggedboy March 31st, 2011, 12:16 AM No problem. I needed a John antidote anyway :)
Portobello Red April 6th, 2011, 12:12 AM Shertila Tony (http://www.flickr.com/photos/12547928@N07/5591630972/in/pool-595503@N24/)
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baias April 6th, 2011, 09:29 AM There is a 4 star hotel in Bilbao, near the Guggenheim, whose facade is almost the same as this one. Not particularly inspired, as far as I am concerned.
regards/agur
flange May 28th, 2011, 04:29 PM Hotel Indigo and Marco Pierre White Steakhouse Bar & Grill are opening on Monday 6th June.
http://www.hotelindigoliverpool.co.uk/
http://www.mpwsteakhouseliverpool.co.uk/
Howie_P May 30th, 2011, 11:26 PM First look inside Liverpool’s new £15m boutique Hotel Indigo
by Tina Miles, Liverpool Daily Post
May 30 2011
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Indigo hotel
THIS is what the new £15m boutique hotel and restaurant in the heart of city’s commercial district will look like.
The Daily Post can exclusively reveal the first glimpse inside Hotel Indigo Liverpool, a 151-bedroom hotel on Chapel Street, which will welcome guests from June 6.
The development, which is just a few minutes’ walk from the World Heritage Site, will feature a Marco Pierre White Steakhouse Bar and Grill – the celebrated chef’s third North West venue.
It will also include an exclusive lounge for non-residents, which will provide a regionally-inspired menu and al fresco dining area.
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General manager David Hughes said the hotel will bring an original concept for tourists and business people staying in the city and is already causing a stir.
He said: “The design of Hotel Indigo Liverpool is locally inspired, which will bring a vibrant feel to the heart of the commercial district and to the city.
“There is already a buzz in the area thanks to its colourful façade, which is also reflected in the bright interior. People are already stopping outside to have a look and we had the maximum 50 messages on the answering machine overnight.”
The six-floor venue has already secured £500,000 in bookings for both the restaurant and the hotel.
Continues (http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpool-news/regional-news/2011/05/30/first-look-inside-liverpool-s-new-15m-boutique-hotel-indigo-92534-28786173/2/) >>
Paul D May 30th, 2011, 11:28 PM Very nice.:)
buggedboy May 31st, 2011, 12:24 AM Too much Dirk Diggler, 1970's pastiche, for my liking. All it needs is a lava lamp and Burt Reynolds to finish it off. Still, another hotel is welcome, nonetheless,
Howie_P June 1st, 2011, 01:28 PM Sanguine ready to open Indigo
Last updated: Wed 1st June, 2011 at 08:33am
Bristol-based hotel operator Sanguine Hospitality has confirmed that its Hotel Indigo on Liverpool's Chapel Street will open to guests next Monday.
The £15m hotel and restaurant development, which comprises 151 bedrooms and a Marco Pierre White Steakhouse Bar & Grill, will be owned and operated by Sanguine, the Bristol-headquartered business chaired by Simon Matthews-Williams. Hotel Indigo is a boutique hotel brand owned by global giant InterContinental Hotel Group.
The four-star venue has already secured £500,000 in bookings for both the restaurant and the hotel. General manager David Hughes said: "The design of Hotel Indigo Liverpool is locally inspired which will bring a vibrant feel to the heart of the commercial district and to the city. There is already a buzz in the area thanks to its colourful façade, which is also reflected in the bright interior. Our team look forward to welcoming our first guests."
Source: Insider Media Ltd (http://www.insidermedia.com/insider/south-west/53297-sanguine-ready-open-indigo/)
Howie_P June 1st, 2011, 11:36 PM http://www.placenorthwest.co.uk/assets/_files/cached/img/402x267.73828125/jun_11/pnw__1306945895_Hotel_Indigo_restaurant.jpg
Hotel Indigo opens Monday
1 Jun 2011, 17:32
The £15m Hotel Indigo Liverpool, a 151-bedroom boutique hotel on Chapel Street, will open next Monday 6 June.
See gallery below
The hotel will feature a 130-cover Marco Pierre White Steakhouse Bar & Grill and, said general manager, the hotel and restaurant have secured £500,000 of advanced bookings already.
The hotel will be owned and operated by Sanguine Hospitality, founded by former Charlton Homes boss Paul Bolton.
The interior design of cotton reels and thread reflects the city's cotton trade history. Hotel Indigo is the boutique hotel brand of Inter Continental Hotel Group.
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> Marco Pierre White
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Source: Place North West (http://www.placenorthwest.co.uk/news/archive/9185-hotel-indigo-opens-monday.html)
baias June 2nd, 2011, 07:33 PM indigo opening soon, the layla on stand by.....but which hotel is the next to be opened for business?
regards from euskal herria/basque country
Joe the red June 2nd, 2011, 07:36 PM Travel Lodge on Strand St probably.
Portobello Red June 2nd, 2011, 09:25 PM terrybouch (http://www.flickr.com/photos/31324293@N03/5788222001/in/pool-595503@N24/)
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Medici June 2nd, 2011, 09:44 PM Horrible, looks like a 70's movie.
Paul D June 2nd, 2011, 10:21 PM I quite like it myself.:)
openlyJane June 2nd, 2011, 10:27 PM I quite like it myself.:)
Me too. It's quite groovy and psychedelic man - better than the normal blandness.:)
I'm hopeful for The Racquet club/Ziba restaurant now - it being opposite. It is such a classy venue - hopefully the restaurant side of it will now flourish. But they do need to replace that tacky sign they have outside - it belies the interior and looks cheap.
Medici June 2nd, 2011, 10:29 PM I quite like it myself.:)
haha i don't expect other people to share my aesthetic tastes, such a personal thing, I have an eclectic taste though.:cheers:
openlyJane June 14th, 2011, 03:43 PM http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l537/openlyjane/P1010982.jpg
The scene at lunchtime today.
Quite a profound impact on Chapel Street - some life and vitality, with people lunching outside. The red City Sightseeing bus is now going along here too: it has really given us a whole new area of the city to spend time in. BoConcept/Elaine Cunningham, and Ziba at The Raquet Club should benefit too.
Paul D June 14th, 2011, 03:49 PM haha i don't expect other people to share my aesthetic tastes, such a personal thing, I have an eclectic taste though.:cheers:
And I took lots of acid.:colgate:
baias June 14th, 2011, 04:23 PM the open air restaurant&bar looks fantastic
the building itself, as far as I am concerned, is great, pity that it is not located in the middle of the Amsterdam red lights district..would be a great attraction with those huge windows.......the detail of the cheap looking courtains matching the colour of the plastic facade floor by floor is cancerogenic!!!
gero arte
all the best from sunny euskal herria/basque country
gottago June 14th, 2011, 06:15 PM Another one to add to the Completed Projects forum! :banana:
selecta June 14th, 2011, 06:40 PM This one happened really quickly and I think has turned out brilliantly. Compact, stylish and very acheivable and niche. We need more projects like this really dont we and less of the LW and Central villages that take years to come to fruition. Vistors see these small visible projects and leave with a sense of how Liverpools improved. All the larger projects and brownfield sites and promises are just hot air and impress no-one until something actually happens. Well done Hotel Indigo. I'm sure itll be a success.
yoshef June 14th, 2011, 07:31 PM Thanks for the update Jayne :okay:
openlyJane June 14th, 2011, 08:33 PM Thanks for the update Jayne :okay:
It's JANE, Moshef!
eyeam June 14th, 2011, 09:25 PM Nice pic.
The street life from the outdoor restaurant area is a great thing. Chapel St is usually completely dead at all hours, especially at weekends. This should change that.
yoshef June 14th, 2011, 10:26 PM It's JANE, Moshef!
:lol: Soz
Martin S June 14th, 2011, 10:36 PM This one happened really quickly and I think has turned out brilliantly. Compact, stylish and very acheivable and niche. We need more projects like this really dont we and less of the LW and Central villages that take years to come to fruition. Vistors see these small visible projects and leave with a sense of how Liverpools improved. All the larger projects and brownfield sites and promises are just hot air and impress no-one until something actually happens. Well done Hotel Indigo. I'm sure itll be a success.
I think that we need both of these types of project. Large scale projects are bound to take longer to get off the ground but that, although frustrating, is hardly a reason for not having them.
The only large projects that we could do with less of are those that never come to fruition but create blight in the areas were they are proposed. I'm really thinking of some of the never-realised schemes from the 60s such as the Inner Motorway or the Civic and Social Centre or more recent ones such as the Met Quarter, which was eventually realised but blighted a prime city centre site for over a decade.
That wouldn't be a valid criticism of either Liverpool Waters or Central Village as these are mostly on derelict land where no alternative proposals have been worked up.
openlyJane June 14th, 2011, 11:18 PM Liverpool One was a viable big project, that once underway was steady and visible - with detailed streetscapes and plans to view - a proper website etc.
Liverpool Waters and, maybe, to a lesser extent, Central Village are speculative ventures with no guarantees, no timescale & no detailed plans.
openlyJane June 14th, 2011, 11:25 PM ^^I know that there are 'fly-throughs' etc for the two new projects mentioned, but somehow they just seem less tangible to me - Liverpool Waters in particular.
Chris B June 15th, 2011, 02:46 PM I wonder if there's a requirement for guests to keep their curtains closed when they aren't in their room, so as to maintain the look of the hotel as seen from outside? Presumably when the photos further up were taken, some of those rooms has been let, so it seems odd that they all have their curtains drawn in daytime.
selecta June 15th, 2011, 04:33 PM I think that we need both of these types of project. Large scale projects are bound to take longer to get off the ground but that, although frustrating, is hardly a reason for not having them.
The only large projects that we could do with less of are those that never come to fruition but create blight in the areas were they are proposed. I'm really thinking of some of the never-realised schemes from the 60s such as the Inner Motorway or the Civic and Social Centre or more recent ones such as the Met Quarter, which was eventually realised but blighted a prime city centre site for over a decade.
That wouldn't be a valid criticism of either Liverpool Waters or Central Village as these are mostly on derelict land where no alternative proposals have been worked up.
I agree to an extent. I believe there should be large projects if they are doable and as Jane says are visible and there appears to be momentum driving them. Its the projects that seem to suck the life out of any other development on a particular site that eventually come to nothing that I was having a pop at.
This development was very snappy and I think I would trade 10 independent and stylish developments like this in and around the same area for one Central Village. But that's just an opinion. I think most big projects if you break them down could also be delivered in bite sized chunks too - meaning quicker turnaround of something tangible. Anyway just a thought.
Martin S June 15th, 2011, 11:52 PM Liverpool One was a viable big project, that once underway was steady and visible - with detailed streetscapes and plans to view - a proper website etc.
Liverpool Waters and, maybe, to a lesser extent, Central Village are speculative ventures with no guarantees, no timescale & no detailed plans.
That is debatable isn't it Jane? We know now that Liverpool One was a viable project because it got completed and has been in regular use for a few years. However, if the scheme had collapsed say in 2003 we would have been left with a sizable chunk of the city centre affected by development blight.
Central Village is no more a speculative venture than Liverpool One with pre-lets now obtained for the hotels, restaurants, cinema and car park and I expect that detailed plans have probably been prepared as they are constructing it at the moment.
However, if Central Village were to be cancelled, all that the city would have lost is a car park that most of us weren't aware existed and a department store that was teetering on the brink for years.
Liverpool Waters is a very long term project that is still at the masterplanning stage - so is it reasonable to expect detailed plans and timescales at this stage?
Martin S June 16th, 2011, 12:01 AM I agree to an extent. I believe there should be large projects if they are doable and as Jane says are visible and there appears to be momentum driving them. Its the projects that seem to suck the life out of any other development on a particular site that eventually come to nothing that I was having a pop at.
This development was very snappy and I think I would trade 10 independent and stylish developments like this in and around the same area for one Central Village. But that's just an opinion. I think most big projects if you break them down could also be delivered in bite sized chunks too - meaning quicker turnaround of something tangible. Anyway just a thought.
I remember asking Rod Holmes at one of the model displays for Liverpool One if it was an 'all or nothing' project. It was - the reason being I think because you needed a step change in the whole area. You couldn't just build a new John Lewis and surround it with neglected and derelict buildings.
All the same, I thing there are plenty of opportunities for small to medium scale developments such as Indigo all round the city. At some stage, something will have to be done about the car park to the rear of the Pig and Whistle and the large area of dereliction framed by Moorfields, Tithebarn Street and Hackins Hey.
Central Village has been delivered up till now in bite-sized chunks - the car park, the shops in Bold Street and the ongoing work on Lewiss but work needs to start soon on the major features of the project - the boardwalk, commercial, retail and apartments to give the project unity.
Doug Roberts August 15th, 2011, 05:21 PM This development has turned out really well, a welcome addition to Chapel Street.
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tommygunn August 15th, 2011, 10:03 PM That is the first time i have noticed the building is L shaped i love it great improvement made.
Portobello Red August 15th, 2011, 10:06 PM This development has turned out really well, a welcome addition to Chapel Street.
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I agree - this is a good addition to the street - and the seating looks to be good quality.
It would be good to have a few more cafes like this side by side to give the area a bit more of a boost.
Louis1986 August 16th, 2011, 01:28 AM i went in the other night on a night out, was a nice place, but vodka and coke was £4.60, but for one drink the place is nice!
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