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-Corey-
April 7th, 2007, 12:31 AM
i really like it

philip
April 7th, 2007, 02:07 AM
http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/1048/icc5ct3.png
Notice how Union Square 6 looks like of invisible/transparent.

ZZ-II
April 7th, 2007, 08:03 AM
Im pretty sure its actually in Australia... somebody correct me if Im wrong...

yeh, it is in Australia :)

Zollern
April 7th, 2007, 01:30 PM
yeh, it is in Australia :)Just north of Sydney, within commuting distance.

Mosaic
April 7th, 2007, 07:05 PM
It looks so real in the pic!!

googleabcd
April 7th, 2007, 08:50 PM
Absolute the best skyline in the world!!!
No one can catch Hongkong in the next 20 years.

Gandhi
April 7th, 2007, 10:18 PM
The design is some....so so in the first floors...but, the building looks very impresive :okay:

Aboveday
April 8th, 2007, 09:43 AM
One more new rendering + floor plan & updated building section.(low resolution)

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q144/aboveday2006/icc-renders2007.jpg

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q144/aboveday2006/icc-floorplan2007.jpg

JACK NAPIER
April 8th, 2007, 11:21 AM
http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/8768/icc2km9.png

I must say that Kohn Pedersen Fox (out of NYC) did an excellent job with this scraper for Kong Kong. There is nothing wrong with a supertall square box, NYC use to have two of them about the same height as this monster. :2cents:

coth
April 8th, 2007, 11:23 AM
The core is huge :eek:

ZZ-II
April 8th, 2007, 11:24 AM
which building are u talking about? the WTC?

jet2sp@ce
April 8th, 2007, 11:31 AM
Juchuuu! Here is the floorplan I requested before! :banana:

superchan7
April 8th, 2007, 09:19 PM
This is hardly a box. It's more like a semi-symmetric straight banana peeled open on both ends. The four corners of the floor plan keep changing as you go up the building.

roneys_today
April 8th, 2007, 11:31 PM
haha. i think 'semi-symmetric straight banana peeled open on both ends' will have to become standard skyscrapercity terminology for this kind of building. afterall, there are a few of these being built now.

ICC is brilliantly understated (well, as understated as a 500m building can be...) and it's good to see HK staying away from the rather unpleasent gold glass buildings of it's recent past.

can't wait to get into the observation floor of this place. it's gonna be insane!

Zabonz
April 9th, 2007, 12:25 AM
Hk is really magnificent. Landscape and skyscrapers. Really uniqe. Defenetlly n1 skyscrapercity in the world.

gladisimo
April 9th, 2007, 12:47 AM
my god, the floorplan is amazing, those conference rooms look TINY

fatshe
April 9th, 2007, 09:00 AM
9-4-2007

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/006_bvQgVdrUhtQK.jpg

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/005_PofYH82acgrq.jpg

ZZ-II
April 9th, 2007, 10:48 AM
one more floor again, thank you fatshe :)

myf282828
April 9th, 2007, 10:53 AM
I love the design of this building.

CULWULLA
April 9th, 2007, 11:29 AM
lev61 is approx 250m, about half way up. wow

Johan
April 9th, 2007, 03:47 PM
my god, the floorplan is amazing, those conference rooms look TINY

Yeah, I would love to have one of thoose corner-offices though...:banana:

hkskyline
April 9th, 2007, 05:10 PM
Apr. 9

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/asiaglobe/hongkong/IMG_1360.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/asiaglobe/hongkong/IMG_1107.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/asiaglobe/hongkong/IMG_1108.jpg

Brendan
April 9th, 2007, 05:13 PM
I love this building.

Hey Culwulla, is this your favorite under construction building?

Ember-To-Ashes
April 9th, 2007, 05:44 PM
i love the sheer might of this building, it looks so strong. the core of the building is the biggest ive seen. i can never see this building collapsing lol.

Mosaic
April 9th, 2007, 05:49 PM
Amazing shots!!! thanks

anzor
April 10th, 2007, 06:32 PM
OMG Hong Kong IS SO WOW:bash:

FastFerrari
April 10th, 2007, 06:50 PM
http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/8768/icc2km9.png

I must say that Kohn Pedersen Fox (out of NYC) did an excellent job with this scraper for Kong Kong. There is nothing wrong with a supertall square box, NYC use to have two of them about the same height as this monster. :2cents:

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/4820/c3331151432143311131617ar9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


I must say i agree with this fellow chum ! ! This building is just a classic square box that demands to be looked at. Height with a sexy night outline of white light is just, well SEXY.

Kartoff
April 14th, 2007, 10:10 AM
Taken yesterday.

http://aycu09.webshots.com/image/13448/2004221552103784285_rs.jpg

Skymyhusband
April 14th, 2007, 10:44 AM
Wow, thanks, seems to be one floor higher, thus 62?

Aboveday
April 14th, 2007, 02:21 PM
The core is taller than The Arch now!

Car L
April 16th, 2007, 01:07 AM
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y181/Genuine007/UC/070415b_002s.jpg
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Buildings that don't get posted often (HK) Part I (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=211362) Part II (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=212436) Part III (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=316338) Part IV (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=9007041)
Artistic decorations inside and outside of the buildings (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=319077)

Rizzato
April 16th, 2007, 01:30 AM
damm that looks kinda scary, similar to looking at a massive dark forest before entering.
anyways, I wanta say this tower is nice. it is a box, but an incredibly massive box, with a great street level view and great facade. I love how such straight edges can draw your eye to the structure itself, and how it dominates. I find myself reminiscing about towers long gone when seeing the renders.

Escoto_Dubai2008
April 16th, 2007, 01:58 AM
The complex looks very nice, but I thought that the facade will go faster than it is right now.

hkskyline
April 16th, 2007, 05:27 AM
CarL, you live at Island Harbourview?

Car L
April 16th, 2007, 06:17 AM
CarL, you live at Island Harbourview?
No, I am not.

The photo below provides more clues to where it was taken from.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y181/Genuine007/UC/070415b_002s2.jpg
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Artistic decorations inside and outside of the buildings (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=319077)

Aboveday
April 16th, 2007, 12:18 PM
wowowow it is so huge,thankyou for sharing these pics!

----------------

Some updates taken by Xavier0713 @ skyscraper.cn:

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/DSCF6223_resize_wt_Obd9t1vsiVbv.jpg

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/DSCF6213_resize_wt_y7HdMxkiy3Z5.jpg

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/DSCF6214_resize_wt_yPdw8gLDELmo.jpg

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/DSCF6215_resize_wt_rlQN71AeRjqM.jpg

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/DSCF6219_resize_wt_gOMDlC3bdfk0.jpg

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/DSCF6202_resize_wt_9XwlBeFkybLc.jpg

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/DSCF6237_resize_wt_nRcROOYfw5uf.jpg

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/DSCF6204_resize_wt_5roBLXuLaWNi.jpg

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/DSCF6217_resize_wt_6f933Tiboyam.jpg

dreadathecontrols
April 16th, 2007, 07:57 PM
yep just got bak from HK, after a 15 year absence.
(Seem to have lost my shots, not reraly good nuff to post but i wanted the records.)
Anyway.
yes HK IS the skyline world capital this is true...
But.
Actually it was more impressive 15 yrs ago when one could see both the peak as the tallest point & ALL the density behind the foreground scrapers.All those lights rising up the hillside.Wild.
Now its just a line of mostly not very interesting talls.No visual depth.
Plus all the chaos of the docks & the typhoon shelters were still there.
So although the HK skyline is big , to me as a piece of kinetic art its lost something.
Best tall in the world still Peis' masterwork and its relativly small...

Must be getting old.

Kartoff
April 18th, 2007, 12:53 PM
Just a perfect day...

http://aycu05.webshots.com/image/13844/2000505535959115982_rs.jpg

http://aycu24.webshots.com/image/12623/2000569580354134122_rs.jpg

http://aycu33.webshots.com/image/15712/2000599629028768636_rs.jpg

Want more? One last!

http://aycu13.webshots.com/image/13372/2000558714721588918_rs.jpg

:cheers:

Rachmaninov
April 18th, 2007, 01:00 PM
Great updates!!!!!

So the cladding would be bluer than in renderings after all!

Skymyhusband
April 18th, 2007, 01:17 PM
I think color will be depending on weather and reflecting angle, today the sky is blue... :)

Nice updates!

Aboveday
April 18th, 2007, 01:54 PM
Great updates!

OREO
April 18th, 2007, 02:16 PM
Such a CLEAR day in HK...
I haven't seem this clear for long time~~
Blus Sky, clear air.clear water..........
JUST FANTASTIC!

btw, wow, more cladding on icc!

Duopolis
April 18th, 2007, 04:12 PM
Just a perfect day...
http://aycu33.webshots.com/image/15712/2000599629028768636_rs.jpg
:cheers:

Almost as tall as The Harbourside! :banana: Thank you for beautiful update! :cheers:

premier
April 18th, 2007, 04:17 PM
The tower looks great! So simple yet so elegant.

hkskyline
April 18th, 2007, 05:47 PM
4/18

http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20070418/IMG_1809.jpg

http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20070418/IMG_1815.jpg

http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20070418/IMG_1816.jpg

http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20070418/IMG_1818.jpg

FastFerrari
April 18th, 2007, 05:49 PM
Nicley coming along....cant wait till the put more glass panels on...that pic was a tease.....you NAUGHTY GURL. !

Duopolis
April 18th, 2007, 06:45 PM
4/18

http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20070418/IMG_1809.jpg


This pic perfectly shows what Kowloon skyline needs. More towers between Union Square and Peking/Hanoi cluster.

Thanks for the updates! :banana:

Momo1435
April 18th, 2007, 07:19 PM
It's almost the tallest of Union Square!!

Thanks for the updates!

potipoti
April 18th, 2007, 07:33 PM
thanks for the updates!!

ZZ-II
April 18th, 2007, 07:54 PM
great update hkskyline

vincent
April 19th, 2007, 08:16 AM
very nice cladding!

Alejandrohl3
April 19th, 2007, 09:43 PM
anyone knows the current height? seems like +- 180 m

ZZ-II
April 19th, 2007, 10:19 PM
wrong, arround 240m - 250m as far as i know

Rizzato
April 20th, 2007, 03:14 AM
It seems like hong kong has quite a bit of tall buildings, from the looks of these pictures.
hah
this ICC is a frickin behemoth.

Escoto_Dubai2008
April 20th, 2007, 03:30 AM
The skyline looks pretty nice, but the ICC is going slow in the construction, I don't see much progress there.

CrazyAboutCities
April 20th, 2007, 06:12 AM
WOW! IMPRESSIVE! I love the design of that building!

Aboveday
April 20th, 2007, 06:02 PM
Press Release @ Schindler.com

http://www.schindler.com/group_pass_high_ref_iccharbour-3.jpg

As Hong Kong's gigantic International Commerce Centre (ICC) takes shape, production for some of the tower's 80-plus elevators is underway at Schindler's EBI Works in Switzerland.

The ICC will boast some of Schindler's most impressive products, including 40 "double deck" elevators, and 18 high-speed ones. These, and more, will be needed to cope with traffic in the tower, which will eventually stretch half a kilometre into the sky.

"For the first stage everything is defined to the day," says Ivo Häfliger, ICC project manager at EBI Works. And so it needs to be because the building's first tenants are due to move into the lower floors by the end of 2007.

They will spend almost two years working in a "growing" building, as floors above are continually added until completion, scheduled for 2009.

Tallest in the world

The ICC is a project of superlatives. One of the four tallest structures in the world; it will eventually contain 83 elevators and 41 escalators. Taken together, its elevator shafts will stretch more than 14 kilometres, and the double-decks speeding up and down the tower will reach velocities of 9 m/s.

Unusually for a skyscraper, the ICC has a flat top, which means elevators will literally reach the roof. The longest run for a double-deck elevator will be an impressive 396m, but one service/fire-fighter elevator will have a staggering 474m run – almost the entire height of the vast tower, which stretches to 490m, with 118 floors.

http://www.schindler.com/group_pass_high_s7000_double-deck_179.jpg


Logistical challenge

Getting so many elevators – and the machines that will eventually move them - from Switzerland to Hong Kong is an immense logistical challenge in itself. The components for first 20 double-deck elevators are due to arrive by summer 2007, including double-deck cars and immensely powerful elevator machines (see "Monster machine gets light-blue coat" below).

Jump lifts

Elevators are also helping in the construction, with so-called "jump lifts" ferrying material upwards as the tower takes shape. Schindler is providing eight of these.

Keeping people moving in this vast urban space will be the job of Schindler's traffic management system. Using complex algorithms, it calculates which elevator will reach which floor fastest, and directs passengers to the car taking the most direct route to their floor.

Elevators are equipped with "E-vision", which allows entertainment to be projected into the cabin.

Aboveday
April 20th, 2007, 06:06 PM
Schindler's new elevator machine for Hong Kong's International Commerce Centre (ICC) is to be adorned in a fetching light-blue colour rather than the traditional field green or grey.

http://www.schindler.com/blue-machine.jpg


But despite its urbane appearance, the new machine will be a real heavyweight, capable of lifting 11.5 tons.

In fact, it will be the most powerful machine in the Schindler family and used to hoist double-deck elevators.

The FM710S – assuredly far prettier than the name suggests – is a gearless giant capable of hoisting elevators to heights of half a kilometre. It can heave them skywards at an impressive 10 m/s, and can carry weights of 4,500kgs.

Performing to the limit


In the 490-metre ICC, the new machine will be performing almost to the limit. An impressive 40 double-deck elevators are planned and several will be travelling at speeds of up to 9 m/s over distances of nearly 400 metres.

In terms of aesthetics, the FM710S marks a significant break with the past. Once such machines were routinely subjected to rough handling, and exposed to dirt, oil stains and other indignities. It therefore made sense to coat them in rugged, dull colours so the stains didn't show and they remained as inconspicuous as possible.

Today, machine rooms are far more sterile environments, allowing other considerations to come into play. And with double-deck elevators planned for the ICC in Hong Kong, it was a good moment to rethink the product design of high-performance elevator machines.

Top Range


R&D set to work, and with the help of the Top Range Division (high-rise) and the production plant in Ebikon, Switzerland, came up with a more market-friendly variation.

Schindler's corporate identity specifies "red, white and bright", and because the colours were not possible for practical reasons, the R&D team chose a bright, light shade of blue, which complements well the colour red in the Schindler logo.

For senior R&D engineer, Heini Küttel, the colour is ideal for the new design concept. "Blue invokes feelings of ease and satisfaction, but it also symbolises performance and energy."

Aesthetic


Küttel is hopeful that the appearance of the machine will uplift the engineers and service technicians who install and maintain the equipment. "The aesthetic aspect is not the goal. Rather it is to encourage more careful handling of the machinery."

That might sound like wishful thinking in the manly world of machine engineering: But the people who actually install the equipment may be more susceptible to its charms than one might assume.

"It looks good and packs a real punch!" was the verdict of two technicians invited to inspect the new machine.

Bruno Tschuppert, who's responsible for production of the FM710S in Switzerland, says the fact the machinery is new, and will look new for longer, is a benefit in itself. "One automatically treats new equipment more carefully," he says.

Urban mobility


Meanwhile the mother of machines, in her light-blue coat, is being put through her paces in the R&D testing area. By 2009, she'll be providing urban mobility throughout one of the world's tallest buildings.

Travel within the super-structure will be organised by Schindler's state-of-the-art traffic management systems.

Visitors will be directed to the elevator heading to their floor with the fewest number of stops. With double-deck elevators, one deck serves the odd, the other the even-numbered floors, and escalators provide fast and easy connections from one to the other. This is urban mobility.

vader11
April 20th, 2007, 08:33 PM
Nice update!

zerokarma
April 20th, 2007, 08:38 PM
Good updates

kurakura
April 20th, 2007, 08:42 PM
Actually i wonder how those double decker elevators work?

So if you are on the ground flloor and it gets filled up by people. Then the one on the lst floor will be practically empty. Whats the point?

Or it doesnt work that way? :ohno:

hkskyline
April 21st, 2007, 04:21 AM
Actually i wonder how those double decker elevators work?

So if you are on the ground flloor and it gets filled up by people. Then the one on the lst floor will be practically empty. Whats the point?

Or it doesnt work that way? :ohno:

At 2 IFC, elevators to a certain range of floors depart from either the ground floor or the 1st floor. Double-deck elevators pick up passengers for both floor ranges and transfer them to the appropriate skylobbies.

Example :
- elevators to floors 31-40 depart from ground floor
- elevators to floors 41-50 depart from first floor
- bottom deck stops at skylobby for 31-40
- top deck stops at skylobby for 41-50

cas1976
April 21st, 2007, 04:37 PM
some shots taken yesterday...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/cas1976/21-4-07_unionsquare/CIMG1224.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/cas1976/21-4-07_unionsquare/CIMG1227.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/cas1976/21-4-07_unionsquare/CIMG1228.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/cas1976/21-4-07_unionsquare/CIMG1234.jpg

the area between the core and the edge is really big...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/cas1976/21-4-07_unionsquare/CIMG1236.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/cas1976/21-4-07_unionsquare/CIMG1237.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/cas1976/21-4-07_unionsquare/CIMG1238.jpg

very good weather..
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/cas1976/21-4-07_unionsquare/CIMG1240.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/cas1976/21-4-07_unionsquare/CIMG1241.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/cas1976/21-4-07_unionsquare/CIMG1244.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/cas1976/21-4-07_unionsquare/CIMG1245.jpg

the lamp pole is taller than the sorrento !! :lol:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/cas1976/21-4-07_unionsquare/CIMG1249.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/cas1976/21-4-07_unionsquare/CIMG1251.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/cas1976/21-4-07_unionsquare/CIMG1256.jpg

it reached the second "air-hole"~
it seems that the core becomes thinner... part of it doesn't grow upward...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/cas1976/21-4-07_unionsquare/CIMG1257.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/cas1976/21-4-07_unionsquare/CIMG1258.jpg

entrance of US6~
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/cas1976/21-4-07_unionsquare/CIMG1259.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/cas1976/21-4-07_unionsquare/CIMG1261.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/cas1976/21-4-07_unionsquare/CIMG1262.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/cas1976/21-4-07_unionsquare/CIMG1265.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/cas1976/21-4-07_unionsquare/CIMG1266.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/cas1976/21-4-07_unionsquare/CIMG1268.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/cas1976/21-4-07_unionsquare/CIMG1271.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/cas1976/21-4-07_unionsquare/CIMG1275.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/cas1976/21-4-07_unionsquare/CIMG1278.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/cas1976/21-4-07_unionsquare/CIMG1281.jpg

can anyone teach me how to take a good picture when facing the sun?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/cas1976/21-4-07_unionsquare/CIMG1285.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/cas1976/21-4-07_unionsquare/CIMG1291.jpg

the harbourside is very huge...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/cas1976/21-4-07_unionsquare/CIMG1294.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/cas1976/21-4-07_unionsquare/CIMG1298.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/cas1976/21-4-07_unionsquare/CIMG1306.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/cas1976/21-4-07_unionsquare/CIMG1308.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/cas1976/21-4-07_unionsquare/CIMG1310.jpg

M.Schwerdtner
April 21st, 2007, 04:53 PM
great update ... thx alot

hkskyline
April 21st, 2007, 07:02 PM
4/21

http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20070421/IMG_1979.jpg

http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20070421/IMG_1980.jpg

http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20070421/IMG_1981.jpg

Aboveday
April 21st, 2007, 07:40 PM
wow so many updates !thankyou everyone! ICC is so huge!!

CrazyAboutCities
April 22nd, 2007, 03:38 AM
WOW! AMAZING PICTURES!!!!!!! Thanks for sharing! :)

About your question related about how to take good picture when it toward to the sun... I had similar problem with my old digital camera... I got a new digital camera around last month ago and I don't have any problem with that. I think Having 8.1 mega pixel and up digital cameras are better and able to handle the situation as you mentioned.

Skymyhusband
April 22nd, 2007, 11:26 AM
No word ^^ thanks!

skyperu34
April 22nd, 2007, 06:21 PM
Very nice photos ! Core reduced a little bit, is that half of the total height?

eng_kheffa
April 22nd, 2007, 07:03 PM
great

cladding started very early

ZZ-II
April 22nd, 2007, 07:05 PM
started in a normal time i think

superchan7
April 22nd, 2007, 09:11 PM
The Waterfront apartments need to get a wash.

mikering
April 23rd, 2007, 01:12 AM
so are u saying that eventhough the building wont be topped out and will be still u/c first floors of ICC are getting filled in the ending of this year?

there wont be any problms? so the lower part of the tower must be finished at the ending of this year including lobby & the tail

Aboveday
April 23rd, 2007, 12:15 PM
Sun Hung Kai Properties officially launches the International Commerce Centre's website

http://www.shkp-icc.com/

ZZ-II
April 23rd, 2007, 06:07 PM
now we can change the title to 490m ^^

mightygoose
April 23rd, 2007, 09:07 PM
a year and a half to build 19 floors as phase 2, what the hell???

ZZ-II
April 23rd, 2007, 09:23 PM
that's not only the construction of the floors, also of the interior arrangement

Voulp
April 23rd, 2007, 09:37 PM
Looks very good!

gladisimo
April 24th, 2007, 02:23 AM
At 2 IFC, elevators to a certain range of floors depart from either the ground floor or the 1st floor. Double-deck elevators pick up passengers for both floor ranges and transfer them to the appropriate skylobbies.

Example :
- elevators to floors 31-40 depart from ground floor
- elevators to floors 41-50 depart from first floor
- bottom deck stops at skylobby for 31-40
- top deck stops at skylobby for 41-50

Ahh, thanks for asking and answering this question.

So basically they're actually two elevators in the same tube?

At first I thought they either had stairs, or was double decked, which would make things SLOW...

CULWULLA
April 24th, 2007, 02:44 AM
lev61 is approx 250m, about half way up. wow

lev62 = must be 254m/ which is 1m lower then harbour tower next door.
huge

CULWULLA
April 24th, 2007, 02:46 AM
now we can change the title to 490m ^^
no, we mentioned this last year. Its 490m above sea level, grd is 6m above sea, thus 484m above grd.

Skyman
April 24th, 2007, 06:03 AM
^^ Guess it will be better to wait for 500m and then change the title

Hollie Maea
April 24th, 2007, 06:29 AM
^^ I don't think they will change the height. Hong Kong has rules that prohibits buildings from being taller than the hills, if I remember correctly. That was the limiting factor with this building I think.

Aboveday
April 24th, 2007, 12:22 PM
^^ I don't think they will change the height. Hong Kong has rules that prohibits buildings from being taller than the hills, if I remember correctly. That was the limiting factor with this building I think.

Actually the height was changed form 474m to 484m at 2005.


--------------------------------

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q144/aboveday2006/ICC-section2007.jpg

chinatown
April 24th, 2007, 01:20 PM
this one started at near the same time as the Shanghai FT but now lag behind at a slower speed (=1/2 the speed of SFT)

Aboveday
April 24th, 2007, 01:32 PM
ICC has its own construction schedule.

http://www.shkp-icc.com/images/building/photo_building.gif

EricIsHim
April 24th, 2007, 07:14 PM
^^ I don't think they will change the height. Hong Kong has rules that prohibits buildings from being taller than the hills, if I remember correctly. That was the limiting factor with this building I think.

The restriction only applies on Hong Kong Island. Therefore it doesn't apply to ICC in Kowloon.

ZZ-II
April 24th, 2007, 08:10 PM
it are only 16m so why not ;)

Bender
April 24th, 2007, 08:38 PM
ICC has its own construction schedule.

http://www.shkp-icc.com/images/building/photo_building.gif

You must be kidding!?

Is this a slowness contest? I thought these towers cost a lot of money, obviously the investors of that tower are very patient to see some money back in their pockets.

gladisimo
April 25th, 2007, 12:22 AM
I'm disappointed at, but respect, how they're doing it... It's too long of a wait!

Hollie Maea
April 25th, 2007, 12:42 AM
The restriction only applies on Hong Kong Island. Therefore it doesn't apply to ICC in Kowloon.

OK. Thanks for the explanation. I'm a bit surprised that Hong Kong hasn't built a 600+m yet in that case.

JACK NAPIER
April 25th, 2007, 02:59 AM
ICC has its own construction schedule.

http://www.shkp-icc.com/images/building/photo_building.gif

The ICC is almost as slow in going as the Freedom Tower, well not that slow. :nuts:

ZZ-II
April 25th, 2007, 07:52 PM
totally right :lol:

Woolie
April 25th, 2007, 08:45 PM
Whoa, what a massively humongous building....So much has changed in HK since I was last there in 1997.

Woolie
April 25th, 2007, 08:48 PM
The ICC is almost as slow in going as the Freedom Tower, well not that slow. :nuts:

:lol: :lol: actually, I'm overall mostly impressed with the rate of development in HK.

FastFerrari
April 25th, 2007, 10:21 PM
The ICC is almost as slow in going as the Freedom Tower, well not that slow. :nuts:

if both the FT and the ICC dont hurry up the proposed Fordham Spire will be apporoved and on level 110 by the time they are complete

chinatown
April 26th, 2007, 02:33 PM
ICC has its own construction schedule.

http://www.shkp-icc.com/images/building/photo_building.gif

need 1.5 years to finish phase 2 (about 1/5 the total height) while it only need 1 yr to finish the remaining half of the tower???

bonivison
April 26th, 2007, 02:57 PM
Miss Hongkong
I will be there again at some time within this year

Muse
April 27th, 2007, 08:13 AM
2010 was always going to be the completion year. It will top out b4 then, but it means internally as well. Don't forget we are talking about a huge 118 floor mass.

Aboveday
April 27th, 2007, 12:17 PM
According to the informations provided by the contractor ,the construction of ICC will be completed on 30/9/2009.........2010=fully occiuped

Aboveday
April 27th, 2007, 08:58 PM
Bus advertisements of ICC (from www.shkp-icc.com):

http://www.shkp-icc.com/images/brand/bus_06.jpg

http://www.shkp-icc.com/images/brand/bus_05.jpg

http://www.shkp-icc.com/images/brand/bus_04.jpg

giovani kun
April 27th, 2007, 09:30 PM
nice buses ..i like them....but most of all this tower will bring a happy joy ....for me...:) i like it very much..

FastFerrari
April 28th, 2007, 12:01 AM
im ready for some more const. pics....whats the delay....no more testing or placement of glass panels...so me something HK.

Muse
April 28th, 2007, 02:57 AM
im ready for some more const. pics....whats the delay....no more testing or placement of glass panels...so me something HK.We need daily updates from Skymyhusband on this project too. :cheer:

Skymyhusband
April 28th, 2007, 08:16 AM
We need daily updates from Skymyhusband on this project too. :cheer:


Unfortunately, not so much updated pics of ICC and Burj Dubai on the web... Shanghai Pudong seems to be very "touristic".

GOMUS
April 28th, 2007, 08:23 AM
Thanks a lot Itarilde!



Visual mockup of the cladding for the main tower:
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q144/aboveday2006/KowloonStationVMU4240.jpg
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q144/aboveday2006/KowloonStationVMU1240.jpg
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q144/aboveday2006/KowloonStationVMU3240.jpg
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q144/aboveday2006/KowloonStationVMU2240.jpg
Source:www.cladding.com

this is a good method to prevent the water stain to the skycraper..meanswhile creating texture to the skin. this arrangement allows the shape the building facade ...very interesting threads.. i ll carry out reading it......good job mates!!

kurakura
April 28th, 2007, 06:54 PM
ICC has its own construction schedule.

http://www.shkp-icc.com/images/building/photo_building.gif

Woah...I want to stay at the hotel above. :)

live69
April 29th, 2007, 01:55 AM
Are reservations already possible in that hotel? I take a nice overview:shifty:

Ember-To-Ashes
April 29th, 2007, 02:56 AM
does this construction schedual mean that they are going to stop construction for 1.5 years before they start the next peice? or am i confused lol

kurakura
April 29th, 2007, 04:16 AM
does this construction schedual mean that they are going to stop construction for 1.5 years before they start the next peice? or am i confused lol

I read some project management course that might explain this.

They are just time buffers in in front of some important activity in case something goes wrong so they will not end up as a delayed project.

This is just my opinion though...:)

hkskyline
April 29th, 2007, 08:01 AM
I believe the bottom floors of 2IFC were already occupied as construction crews built the upper floors as well. It maximizes rental income even though the whole structure may not yet be complete.

giovani kun
April 29th, 2007, 09:57 AM
Love the cladding....it's really cool..:)
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/4816/kowloonstationvmu1240uf5.th.jpg (http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kowloonstationvmu1240uf5.jpg)

Skymyhusband
April 30th, 2007, 06:47 PM
Found this one on flickr 04/29/2007:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/225/477358955_b111ec0893_b.jpg

Skymyhusband
May 1st, 2007, 07:23 AM
flickr 04/30/2007. Catching up Harbourside.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/206/478750202_9b7e4575a5_b.jpg

High res: http://farm1.static.flickr.com/206/478750202_73cb33de96_o.jpg

giovani kun
May 1st, 2007, 08:49 AM
^^ ^^ What are those two towers in the center ..?they look mighty big....:cry:..they look 100m over the ICC..looks arownd 100 storey tall

Skymyhusband
May 1st, 2007, 09:05 AM
^^ ^^ What are those two towers in the center ..?they look mighty big....:cry:..they look 100m over the ICC..looks arownd 100 storey tall



http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=275877

giovani kun
May 1st, 2007, 09:11 AM
^^ thanx Skymyhusband..gott it..the building it's much closer...and ICC is furder away....:cry:

Skymyhusband
May 1st, 2007, 09:16 AM
275m, it's not bad :)

Aboveday
May 1st, 2007, 02:53 PM
thankyou for posting the pics.

one more rendering:

http://www.shkp-icc.com/images/building/photo_location.jpg


Outdoor advertisements at Singapore Changi Airport:

http://www.shkp-icc.com/images/brand/outdoor_02.jpg

FastFerrari
May 1st, 2007, 03:25 PM
thanks for all the updates....seems like u guys need help covering this building and its neighbor....got money for a plane ticket...lol:lol: ...plz send

Aboveday
May 1st, 2007, 03:47 PM
Lighting design by Isometrix Lighting + Design Ltd

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q144/aboveday2006/icc-l3.jpg

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q144/aboveday2006/icc-l2.jpg

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q144/aboveday2006/icc-l1.jpg

potipoti
May 1st, 2007, 04:16 PM
A shaft between the two towers??? Really?? It seems like Orthanc and Barad-Dur, hehehehe.

EricIsHim
May 1st, 2007, 04:40 PM
^^ Not cool lightling design.
Light pollution with 2 IFC is already bad enough.
An additional ICC is going to make it worse; plus having a beam across the harbour is just insane if it is on all the time.
I can see that as part of the Symphony of Light, not a steady thing.

philip
May 2nd, 2007, 12:49 AM
Which lighting design will they use?
I hope it's the last one. :D

There is no such word as "light pollution" in a Hong Kong dictionary. This city is supposed to light up as bright as a supernova. :D

the Monkey's Uncle
May 2nd, 2007, 01:16 AM
Haha, you're complaining about light pollution in Hong Kong? Perhaps you should go to Nebraska instead, if you want it nice and dark. :P

I love the idea of beaming a spotlight across the harbour, very cool.

superchan7
May 2nd, 2007, 03:11 AM
Wow, fabulous idea! They should put a ginormous laser across the harbour; it'll "burn" off all that pollution! :lol:

CrazyAboutCities
May 2nd, 2007, 03:19 AM
SCREW LIGHTING POLLUTION! I LOVE THAT LIGHTING DESIGN!!!!:cheers:

great184
May 2nd, 2007, 04:49 AM
If thats lighting pollution, then i love this kind of pollution =p

Besides a great majority of buildings in hongkong are known for their lighting design, and HK does have a largest light and laser show.

And with 2IFC and ICC having the same lighting scheme, they would surely look like 2 gateway pillars in the nighttime (which they will emulate during the daytime)

yellow15
May 2nd, 2007, 04:55 AM
what lighting pollution??

i only see the beautiful light beam between the "two towers" :banana:

CrazyAboutCities
May 2nd, 2007, 05:08 AM
^^ Lighting pollution is damaging the sky by brighten up and block the views of stars.

Skymyhusband
May 2nd, 2007, 05:15 AM
I think that in Hong Kong, you can't see any star with all those towers and city lightnings :(

Historical observatories like Mount Palomar and Mount Wilson are closed due to the proximity of Los Angeles: 50 km+ from Palomar !

great184
May 2nd, 2007, 05:19 AM
There will be areas devoid enough og light pollution to view the night sky. Besides when you are in the city don't expect a majestic view of the stars :P

fatshe
May 2nd, 2007, 11:24 AM
1-5-07

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/DSCF6367a_resize_wt_n8HJwwIoo5fq.jpg

taken by:Xavier0713

Skymyhusband
May 2nd, 2007, 12:14 PM
Wow thanks, so floor 65? Missing floor 64 I presume :)

MasonicStage™
May 2nd, 2007, 12:19 PM
Lighting design by Isometrix Lighting + Design Ltd

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q144/aboveday2006/icc-l3.jpg

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q144/aboveday2006/icc-l2.jpg

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q144/aboveday2006/icc-l1.jpg

this looks cool! great! :okay:

patextreme
May 2nd, 2007, 01:21 PM
and they start a new project again!

ZZ-II
May 2nd, 2007, 01:42 PM
this project has started since many years ^^

Aboveday
May 2nd, 2007, 02:10 PM
http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/DSCF6365a_resize_wt_2pR1biA6y3Wx.jpg


http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/DSCF6368a_resize_wt_yvYE7nZ8bmvy.jpg

The structure of M/E @ 46 & 47/F?

HSBC
May 2nd, 2007, 02:37 PM
wow...the update details in this thread is just totally awesome!!!
I can't see any thread for other projects around the world has been as updated as this one!
Thanks for your awesome update again!:cheers:

Monkey
May 2nd, 2007, 02:41 PM
The cladding on US6 is awful - just like all the other buildings so far in Union square. ICC is the only one that can redeem the complex.

fatshe
May 2nd, 2007, 03:06 PM
Wow thanks, so floor 65? Missing floor 64 I presume :)

63...maybe.....also missed...

Aboveday
May 2nd, 2007, 03:20 PM
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q144/aboveday2006/vickycheng.jpg

photographer : vickycheng @ dcfever.com

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q144/aboveday2006/icekinhk.jpg

photographer : icekinhk @ dcfever.com

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q144/aboveday2006/mantak.jpg

photographer : mantak @ dcfever.com

EricIsHim
May 2nd, 2007, 03:39 PM
As everyone said, on both sides of the harbour are already so bright that stars are invisible. That's true.

But Hong Kong is not like everyone thinks that you can't see stars in the evening anywhere. If you go out to Sai Kung or southside of HK island on the other side of the mountains, you can see stars high in the sky even it's absolutely bright on both side of the Harbour. Because light cannot travel behind the mountains and keep those area dark. These are low altitude ligth pollution, everything is within a certain altitude and it's stll dark up high in the sky.

With the design shooting light staright up to the sky, then it really brights up the entire sky and you can't see the stars anywhere in HK.

Hong Kong is more than just a concrete jungle. There are also areas that are green.

I don't care if the two towers are the brightest on either sides of the harbour as long as they don't have lights shoot straight up into the sky.

FastFerrari
May 3rd, 2007, 01:54 AM
the lighting scheme for IFC and ICC are awsome...however the beam from one building to the other is a lil over the top but maybe for special occassions....holidays.... events etc....o i know of one American city thats been light up since the 50's...out in the desert...whats that name again?

ThirskUK
May 3rd, 2007, 03:13 AM
You guys are so funny.
Do you all seriously think that they'll perform that lighting all the time?

I don't think they're that crazy man. Or else why they even bother to design the 3rd lighting scheme?

^^ Is it Vegas?

OREO
May 3rd, 2007, 04:54 AM
AMAZING photograph!!
Thanks for sharing!

Renato Leao
May 5th, 2007, 08:25 AM
how tall today???

Skymyhusband
May 5th, 2007, 09:13 AM
About 250 m, catching up harbourside.

gladisimo
May 5th, 2007, 09:17 AM
^^ got pics? :)

CrazyAboutCities
May 5th, 2007, 10:10 AM
You guys are so funny.
Do you all seriously think that they'll perform that lighting all the time?

I don't think they're that crazy man. Or else why they even bother to design the 3rd lighting scheme?

^^ Is it Vegas?

Possibly. I can give you an example of William Tower in Houston, Texas (Galleria area). William Tower has lighthouse style lighting perfermance and it only doing the show just before it gets dark and end at midnight. I am sure it will do the same thing for International Commerce Center.

Aboveday
May 5th, 2007, 12:26 PM
Detail informations about the GFA of ICC and The Cullinan.

International Commerce Centre :
Office - 232,000m² (GFA),
Ritz Carlton Hotel - 36,000m² (GFA), 312 keys,
F&B – 2,800m²
Observation Deck – 3,200 m²
Total= 274000 m²

The Cullinan (South Tower) :
Suite Hotel - 19,600m² (GFA) - 228 keys,
W Hotel – 33,500 m² (GFA) – 394 keys
Residential and Serviced Apartment - 24,200m² (GFA)
Total= 77300 m²

The Cullinan( North Tower) :
Serviced Apartment – 58,900 m² (GFA) (746 units)
Residential – 10,500 m² (GFA) (115 units)
Total= 69400 m²

Total GFA of ICC & The Cullinan = 420700 m² (GFA)
* In HK standard ,Gross Floor Area = Saleable Area (Area within the Core is not included in GFA).

Chad
May 5th, 2007, 05:52 PM
You guys are so funny.
Do you all seriously think that they'll perform that lighting all the time?

I don't think they're that crazy man. Or else why they even bother to design the 3rd lighting scheme?

^^ Is it Vegas?

Well, Atlease HK performs a Giant skyline Firework and lighting spectacular show everynights for the last 2-3 years as I recall?

so I wouldnt think just a beam of light is a big deal for them anyway.

FastFerrari
May 6th, 2007, 12:16 AM
there is alot of height over by the ICC....i bet the view from there are great....send more pics

Escoto_Dubai2008
May 6th, 2007, 12:26 AM
I like the pictures, but I would to see it closer.

Aboveday
May 6th, 2007, 09:52 AM
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q144/aboveday2006/LandLi.jpg

Taken by Land Li @ dcfever.com

CrazyAboutCities
May 6th, 2007, 10:03 AM
^^ Beautiful! :)

ZZ-II
May 6th, 2007, 11:48 AM
wow! what a beautiful shot :)

ottooo
May 6th, 2007, 01:44 PM
Amazing shot!

fatshe
May 6th, 2007, 01:47 PM
6-5-07

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/005_g6YP74SMkiny.jpg

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/006_lSBHInrMdjY1.jpg

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/006-1_XLNG6pm7gozz.jpg

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/006-2_xkIWXKKHS0XV.jpg

chinatown
May 6th, 2007, 01:47 PM
wat a great shot!

chinatown
May 6th, 2007, 01:52 PM
the Kow Loon area is growing very fast! it might catch up w the island someday in the near future.

Skymyhusband
May 6th, 2007, 02:22 PM
Wow ^^ thanks. Catching up Sorrentos next, and then US6&7 (269m.)...

Cladding goes fast.

ZZ-II
May 6th, 2007, 02:30 PM
great, it'll reach 70F soon :)

Skymyhusband
May 6th, 2007, 03:40 PM
Harbourside = 255 m.
Sorrento = 256.3m.
US6&7 = 269.9m.

Aboveday
May 8th, 2007, 01:46 PM
http://netalbum2006.netvigator.com/netalbum/photos/9585b1e661a2d0b4dea994e74f3a46aa6339632fae0725649ab567687fb7928e734576ce5aa368f642b226ec4ea9d81bf77f72844f370398

Total Floor Area of ICC = (Approx ) 430,000m²

= 83% of Burj Dubai

= 113% of SWFC

= 107.5% of 1 WTC

= 102 % of Sears Tower

mightygoose
May 8th, 2007, 03:46 PM
dayum thats alot of floorspace...

Ember-To-Ashes
May 8th, 2007, 04:26 PM
damn you got post number 666, i wanted that one! lol.. hah, yeh lots of floor space, very good. :)

ZZ-II
May 8th, 2007, 04:46 PM
wow, never thought it would have so much space in comparison to Burj dubai

TICONLA1
May 8th, 2007, 06:57 PM
This thing is another monster, outstanding, one day i will see Hong Kong with my own eyes.!!!!!

Skymyhusband
May 8th, 2007, 07:00 PM
Same designer as SWFC...

Rachmaninov
May 8th, 2007, 07:20 PM
Cool!!

Mosaic
May 9th, 2007, 07:03 AM
nice progress!!

Skymyhusband
May 9th, 2007, 08:31 AM
flickr 05/8/2007

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/224/490407479_a2d1a4aab3_o.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/214/489807434_dfc9b7b562_o.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/231/489804964_4d612aa2ed_o.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/177/489805298_c520665689_o.jpg

Sentient Seas
May 9th, 2007, 08:59 AM
Looks like it's progressing very well, I just can't get over Hong Kong's skyline, everytime I see it I grow more fond of it.

Aboveday
May 9th, 2007, 12:57 PM
The HarbourView Place unveiled
Luxury, suite hotel at Kowloon Station Development
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q144/aboveday2006/hd-14.jpg
8 May 2007

Signature Homes, Sun Hung Kai Properties' luxury residential leasing arm and the
leading purveyor of luxury residential accommodation in Hong Kong, Miss. Mavis Kang,
General Manager of Signature Homes today announced the name of the tallest luxury
serviced suite hotel in Hong Kong, following its successful project Four Seasons Place Hong Kong.

Located amongst the International Commerce Centre (ICC) complex on the other side
of Hong Kong's Harbour and just 3 minutes away from the centre of Central, The HarbourView Place
will be launched in Spring 2008, and will provide superb convenient as well as luxurious living to
business executives' long term accommodation in Hong Kong. Strategically located atop the
Kowloon Station Development, it will be uniquely positioned at the junction of three major rail lines,
offering unparalleled transportation access for conducting local and international business.

Boasting a unique view of Victoria Harbour and the Kowloon Peninsula, the luxury suite hotel
will occupy the 50th to 70th floors of one of the twin towers.

"Like Four Seasons Place, The HarbourView Place will offer unparalleled accommodation with the
distinctive quality of luxury hotel services one would expect of a top end serviced suite hotel,"
said Ms. Belinda Kuan, Assistant General Manager of Signature Homes. "The stunning views over
Victoria Harbour and quality of finish will be matched by the comprehensive range of
complimentary hotel-standard services, such as attentive and efficient concierge services
and wide-ranging guest facilities."

"We have adopted an uncompromising approach to finish, in-room provisioning and facilities, to
accommodate the requirements of today's senior executives and their families," said Ms. Kuan.
"Business executives and expatriates from multinational corporations across the world will find
The HarbourView Place to be the destination of first choice on the waterfront, comparable to
sister property Four Seasons Place Hong Kong."

Ms. Mavis Kang, General Manager of Signature Homes commented, "We are proud to witness
Four Seasons Place successfully redefining the standard for premium luxury living; it can be seen
to have been well-received by the market. It is evident that market demand for this type of
quality serviced suite hotel is on the upswing. Consistent with our objectives, this new project
features a comprehensive range and high standard of hotel service to guests, further expanding
and enhancing Signature Homes' quality luxury residential portfolio with an additional top end
serviced suite hotel. The HarbourView Place will definitely offer yet another choice to clients
who already appreciate our commitment to a premier quality of living standard. "We are confident
that The HarbourView Place will be well-received by the market, particularly after our experience
with Four Seasons Place," said Ms. Kang. "There is a marked trend among business executives and
expatriates towards this kind of top end serviced apartment product, and given our knowledge
and experience in the market, we will continue to further expand our luxury residential portfolio."

About Signature Homes

Signature Homes is the residential leasing arm of Sun Hung Kai Properties and the largest
purveyor of luxury residential accommodation in Hong Kong. Its deluxe property portfolio includes
desirable locations such as Mid-Levels and Island South; many with comprehensive clubhouse
facilities and close to the prime commercial core of Hong Kong. Almost 95% of Signature Homes'
clients are expatriates – mainly from Australia, Europe and the US. The company's customer
service officers, SignatuRep, provides tenants with personalized service and takes care of their
daily needs to enhance their experience of living in Hong Kong. Signature Homes’ newest property
is Four Seasons Place in Central, which opened in 2005, and has 519 serviced suites.

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q144/aboveday2006/me0509c2.jpg

ZZ-II
May 9th, 2007, 01:50 PM
great pics skymyhusband

mightygoose
May 9th, 2007, 02:41 PM
is that pink building in the foreground of the panorama shots dynasty court??

FastFerrari
May 9th, 2007, 06:53 PM
boy o boy im gettin more anxious by the day with this building...cant wait till it dressing time for this new pillar of the HK skyline....first night shots will be great..:banana:

Skymyhusband
May 9th, 2007, 07:26 PM
Concrete forest!

http://derives.1.free.fr/hk9051.jpg

CrazyAboutCities
May 9th, 2007, 08:33 PM
^^ LOL!!!!! CONCERTE FOREST!!!!!!! GOOD ONE! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Sentient Seas
May 9th, 2007, 09:36 PM
:lol:
The perfect way to put Hong Kong's skyline.
Nice pics, thanks.

gladisimo
May 9th, 2007, 10:21 PM
^ It's not a new term, it's (Hong Kong, along with many major cities) been called that in Chinese for a long time

Sentient Seas
May 9th, 2007, 10:40 PM
Oh... well I don't speak Chinese. But they ARE right, that's exactly what I'd call it.

kelw
May 10th, 2007, 12:09 AM
I believe the more common variant is Concrete Jungle. And many cities have been called by that name.

But yes, that is a cool picture of a concrete forest bounded by a real forest.

gladisimo
May 10th, 2007, 06:30 AM
^^ haha, you're right, jungle, forest, close enough :)

Sentient Seas
May 10th, 2007, 07:27 AM
Yeah I was gonna say, I've heard cities called Concrete Jungles many times, but never Concrete Forest. :lol:

Just came off as funny to me kind of...

Muse
May 10th, 2007, 07:33 AM
flickr 05/8/2007

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/224/490407479_a2d1a4aab3_o.jpg

Thanks sky :cheer:

hkskyline
May 10th, 2007, 06:34 PM
http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20070510/IMG_3255.jpg

http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20070510/IMG_3243.jpg

http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20070510/IMG_3326.jpg

http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20070510/IMG_3335.jpg

http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20070510/IMG_3368.jpg

ZZ-II
May 10th, 2007, 06:49 PM
looks tall now

Krattle
May 10th, 2007, 07:50 PM
I'm sorry but this building just doesn't look like it has 66 floors. I'm aware they skip the 4 floors in HK - 4, 14, 24, 34, 44, 54, 64 are thus not in ICC. So, at most it's only actually 59 floors. Have they skipped any other floors in this building?

(It's a great-looking building - powerful design. I just think that floor-skipping business is real cheap).

alonzo-ny
May 10th, 2007, 08:33 PM
They skip the 4s? how come? bad luck?

Sentient Seas
May 10th, 2007, 09:36 PM
That's weird...
:badnews:

superchan7
May 11th, 2007, 02:59 AM
I'm sorry but this building just doesn't look like it has 66 floors. I'm aware they skip the 4 floors in HK - 4, 14, 24, 34, 44, 54, 64 are thus not in ICC. So, at most it's only actually 59 floors. Have they skipped any other floors in this building?

(It's a great-looking building - powerful design. I just think that floor-skipping business is real cheap).

That's why we at this forum (and most logical thinkers) measure height in metres and feet, not floors.

Floor heights and floor counts change all the time. The WTC had 110 floors and 2IFC has 88. They both reach to almost the same roof height.

Hollie Maea
May 11th, 2007, 04:44 AM
They skip the 4s? how come? bad luck?

In Chinese, the word for 4 sounds the same as a bad word (I don't know Mandarin, but I'm pretty sure the word is "die"), so the names of the floors sound like dire curses and no one would want to say they worked or lived there. Certain floors are even worse than others, depending on what the word for the other numbers sound like (for instance suppose that 54 sounded like the words for "easy to die" (that's just a fake example I don't actually know Mandarin so I'm just making up a fake example)).

Car L
May 11th, 2007, 05:33 AM
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y181/Genuine007/UC/070510b_015s.jpg
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gladisimo
May 11th, 2007, 08:07 AM
They skip the 4s? how come? bad luck?

Yes, 4 is phonetically similar to the word "to die" in Chinese (as well as Japanese for that matter)

Some of the numbers containing four also have bad connotations:

14 (Will certainly die)
24 (Easy to die)
34 (Life and death, hanging between)
44 (idk about this one)
54 (Sounds like won't die)
64 (haha, I made this one up, but it sounds like 'boiled to death')
74 (idk this one either)
84 (get so wealthy you die)

Some of these were meant to be humorous, b/c I'm not aware of what they're supposed to be. Help?

AM Putra
May 11th, 2007, 08:37 AM
Then it's condolence for the 4 number. So the 4 containing numbers is skipped and the level is reduced or it still counted but the level isn't used?

coth
May 11th, 2007, 09:37 AM
yet i don't understand - why cheating? why not to use 3, 3a, 5; 23, 23a, 25; 33, 33a, 35 etc...

hkskyline
May 11th, 2007, 09:47 AM
For example, some floors are actually labelled a and b on 2 IFC, and refuge floors are separately labelled. Hence, using the highest floor number as a gauge is very inaccurate.

Ember-To-Ashes
May 11th, 2007, 09:50 AM
surely 484m isnt a very clever number to build a skyscraper then.. lol i always thought.. why not just make it 500m... sounds alot more impressive and it cant coast THAT much to go up another 16m.. plus then u loose all the "die" bits of the 4's or watever...

Jarenz
May 11th, 2007, 12:25 PM
http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20070510/IMG_3255.jpg

http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20070510/IMG_3243.jpg

http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20070510/IMG_3326.jpg

http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20070510/IMG_3335.jpg

http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20070510/IMG_3368.jpg

wow Hongkong really shaping up its skyline.....nice pix

Aboveday
May 11th, 2007, 05:05 PM
Thankyou hkskyline.

bigger renderings:

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q144/aboveday2006/ICC_sJcy69k2UTx4.jpg

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q144/aboveday2006/ICCSHOWSUITE.jpg

CarlosBlueDragon
May 11th, 2007, 05:44 PM
Thankyou hksykline.

bigger renderings:

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q144/aboveday2006/ICC_sJcy69k2UTx4.jpg

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q144/aboveday2006/ICCSHOWSUITE.jpg

I Look Like this picture!! :cheers:

Aboveday
May 11th, 2007, 06:21 PM
新地再撬高盛渡海 九龍站全港最大商廈 料獲大摩轉投 (明報) 05月 10日 星期四 05:10AM

【明報專訊】正在招租的九龍站7期環球貿易廣場(ICC)寫字樓,發展商新地(0016)近期正在中區展開「撬客戰」。消息人士指出,新地將於短期內「撬走」置地的交易廣場大租客摩根士丹利(大摩),令ICC的出租樓面增至90萬方呎,最近新地再出擊,與長實(0001)的長江集團中心大租客高盛磋商,希望高盛能成為ICC的另一大租戶。

(Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs might move their Asia-Pacific HQ from The Exchange Square and The Cheung Kong Center to ICC.)

近年中區甲級商廈空置率持續低企,令租金持續上升,目前每方呎租金動輒逾100元,反觀將於今年底開始入伙、與中環僅一站之隔(東涌線)的ICC寫字樓,呎租僅30多元,成為中區大機構近年的另一選擇。

一海之隔 九龍租金可慳七成

以大型外資證券行大摩為例,目前在中環交易廣場租用約20萬方呎樓面,若以呎租100元計算,每月租金支出高達2000萬元,遷往ICC後,即使租用20多萬甚至30萬方呎樓面,以呎租30多元計算,每月租金支出亦不足1000萬元。

(IFC-->HK$100 per square foot :bash: VS:bash: ICC-->HK$30 per square foot= 70% off!!)

雖然ICC至今已租出約90萬方呎樓面,約等於半幢國際金融中心2期,但物業的寫字樓總樓面達250萬方呎(將是全港最大的商廈),所以新地近期仍積極在中區「撬客」,據悉接觸對象,包括另一大型外資證券行高盛,目前高盛亦租用長江集團中心逾20萬方呎樓面。

但據了解,高盛與大摩的考慮有所不同。大摩現時在交易廣場3期的租約,一年多後到期,若與新地達成協議,將會撤離中環,把香港總部遷往ICC。但高盛則無意離開長江中心,考慮租用ICC,預計只會是將部分部門遷往該處。大摩及高盛的發言人都拒絕就此事置評。新地發言人則說,第一期90萬呎的樓面已達洽談成熟階段,希望很快能落實。

中區空置率低 租金續

仲量聯行指出,4月份中區甲級商廈的空置率錄得近年最低水平(見圖),國金2期等近期更錄得每方呎逾150元的最高租金水平紀錄。該行香港商業部主管莫家文表示,有見非核心區的租金吸引,很多公司正重組他們的物業組合,只於中區保留了基本的業務,開始將其他運作遷至非核心區的寫字樓。」

(Vacancy rate keeps dropping in Central , 2IFC has granted an office rental at a record HK$150 per square foot).

面對ICC的競爭,尖沙嘴區商廈業主亦積極迎戰。仲量聯行九龍商業部主管顏慧萍表示,近期美麗華大廈及海港城等一些物業已開始進行大型的翻新工程,將於現在至08年分階段完成,明顯能提升市場競爭力。

hkskyline
May 11th, 2007, 06:59 PM
When 2IFC first came onto the market, their rents were around $30/sq ft. ICC's design should be similar to 2IFC and would be very attractive to financial services firms.

Aboveday
May 11th, 2007, 09:06 PM
When 2IFC first came onto the market, their rents were around $30/sq ft. ICC's design should be similar to 2IFC and would be very attractive to financial services firms.

Sure !Probably ICC would break the record set by IFC when all the stuff at West Kowloon are done in the future (WKCD ,Terminal of HK-Guangzhou Express Railway,West Kowloon Station of KCR Kowloon Southern Link ...etc):)

EricIsHim
May 11th, 2007, 09:32 PM
surely 484m isnt a very clever number to build a skyscraper then.. lol i always thought.. why not just make it 500m... sounds alot more impressive and it cant coast THAT much to go up another 16m.. plus then u loose all the "die" bits of the 4's or watever...

"4" is just like "13" and "666" mean something bad in the western culture.
But instead of only "13," HK gets rid of any floor with "4" in it.
And actually, in some buildings, there are no 13th floor as well.
The sequene goes: 1-2-3-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-15-16....22-23-25...... etc.

Blizzy
May 11th, 2007, 11:00 PM
This is odd, to say the least. I understand superstitions and all, but come on... In terms of a 100 storey tower it would leave 10 floors out completely (40-49), plus another 9 i 4, 14, 24, ... 94. So - a 100 storeyed HK skyscraper would rise only to 81 floors. Even if in western culture they wish to cut out floor no. 13 (which is stupid in my opinion, because i don't believe that serious entities like companies, investors and developers should propagate obvious bullshit), the possible effect is a one floor loss, and not a loss of 19 floors every 100 storeys...

I think it's plain stupid, that they follow this crap. Come on, let's have some common sense. Let's say the 666m Park Square Tower is built in Dubai. Wouldn't it be pathetic for the Vatican to protest it's height? It's just a friggin skyscraper!

Krattle
May 11th, 2007, 11:06 PM
Haha, I don't think they cut out all the 40 floors. That would just be insane.

Blizzy
May 12th, 2007, 12:07 AM
HK gets rid of any floor with "4" in it.

^^ 40-49 sounds pretty "4" to me...

Krattle
May 12th, 2007, 12:13 AM
lol, I know but that would just be so stupid. I'll have to check on it.

EricIsHim
May 12th, 2007, 12:37 AM
In the case of 40s, developers do not get rid of all ten numbers, but "44" only. The other nine stays.

hkskyline
May 12th, 2007, 04:14 PM
http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20070512/IMG_3402.jpg

http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20070512/IMG_3400.jpg

OREO
May 12th, 2007, 04:38 PM
very elegant looking tower~really

Aboveday
May 12th, 2007, 06:19 PM
great view!ICC will become the tallest building of Kowloon very soon!

Mosaic
May 12th, 2007, 06:38 PM
awesome updates, thanks

roneys_today
May 12th, 2007, 07:44 PM
how tall is the langham tower in Mong Kok?

Aboveday
May 12th, 2007, 07:48 PM
how tall is the langham tower in Mong Kok?

office tower-255m
hotel-170m

superchan7
May 12th, 2007, 08:07 PM
In the case of 40s, developers do not get rid of all ten numbers, but "44" only. The other nine stays.

Don't forget The Arch, where they did skip all 10 of these floors.

xiaoluis
May 13th, 2007, 02:42 AM
Nice!!!

Gendo
May 13th, 2007, 02:47 AM
Sorry, but it was highly annoying...

http://myweb.cableone.net/jpsltd/Images/IMG_3326.jpg

hkskyline
May 13th, 2007, 05:54 AM
http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20070512/IMG_3406.jpg

http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20070512/IMG_3405.jpg

Aboveday
May 13th, 2007, 08:10 AM
http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20070512/IMG_3405.jpg

The design of sloped cladding using on ICC really works !The whole tower will look so bright and shiny in all kinds of weather.

giovani kun
May 13th, 2007, 08:43 AM
^^ We're waiting for some more cladding in order to see how shiny it will look and how bright I'm curious about that :) for now they only are at the begining so we can't tell but in 2 weeks I thinck taht we can see some significant changes

EricIsHim
May 14th, 2007, 02:05 PM
Don't forget The Arch, where they did skip all 10 of these floors.

Never been there. But I agree, it's insane!!!!

Aboveday
May 14th, 2007, 02:09 PM
Taken by HHW @ dcfever.com

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q144/aboveday2006/hhw.jpg

CarlosBlueDragon
May 14th, 2007, 02:32 PM
Nice Picture!! :okay:

ZZ-II
May 14th, 2007, 04:45 PM
fast cladding!

FastFerrari
May 14th, 2007, 06:05 PM
Taken by HHW @ dcfever.com

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q144/aboveday2006/hhw.jpg

thanks for the photo snap...gives me a close up view of how much work they're not doing towards the clading or panels....com'on now HK...quite teasin..:ohno:

Aboveday
May 15th, 2007, 12:42 PM
Taken by LOLANTO @ dcfever.com

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q144/aboveday2006/LOLANTO.jpg

hkskyline
May 15th, 2007, 06:11 PM
http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20070515/IMG_3519.jpg

http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20070515/IMG_3522.jpg

ZZ-II
May 15th, 2007, 06:22 PM
what's the white thing arround the tower for?

Skymyhusband
May 15th, 2007, 07:04 PM
what's the white thing arround the tower for?

Scaffolding for protecting brand new cladding underneath from falling objects, I think :)

Great pics, now higher than Harbourside...

potipoti
May 15th, 2007, 07:14 PM
Fantastic pics!!

Tag_one
May 15th, 2007, 07:44 PM
what's the white thing arround the tower for?

thats the lifting mechanism for the cladding I suppose. lifting the cladding by crane would slow the building proces down. so they build a rail around the building with a liftinglorry on it. :)

Jhun
May 15th, 2007, 07:56 PM
nice.does anybody found out Hongkong's tallest always slightly shorter than Shanghai's? :)

Monkey
May 15th, 2007, 09:36 PM
nice.does anybody found out Hongkong's tallest always slightly shorter than Shanghai's? :)LOL - I remember there was a conspiracy theory on these forums a couple of years ago that the Chinese government didn't want Hong Kong to eclipse their showpiece. ;)

The 484m ICC will be just 8m shorter than the SWFC at 492m. However 2IFC is actually taller than Jin Mao to roof. I'd say it's taller than the Petronas Towers too:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v496/Fatmonkey/HK-SH-KL.jpg

vader11
May 16th, 2007, 01:34 AM
LOL - I remember there was a conspiracy theory on these forums a couple of years ago that the Chinese government didn't want Hong Kong to eclipse their showpiece. ;)

The 484m ICC will be just 8m shorter than the SWFC at 492m. However 2IFC is actually taller than Jin Mao to roof. I'd say it's taller than the Petronas Towers too:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v496/Fatmonkey/HK-SH-KL.jpgYa, I agree the Chinese government didn't want hk to be better than them. 492 vs 484, 421 vs 415, etc...SWFC was orginally 460m high, but it was increased to 492 because of ICC...

bloodylepus
May 16th, 2007, 04:20 AM
Ya, I agree the Chinese government didn't want hk to be better than them. 492 vs 484, 421 vs 415, etc...SWFC was orginally 460m high, but it was increased to 492 because of ICC...

"The Chinese government didn't want hk to be better than them" -> it is not very logical because Hong Kong is part of China. The Chinese Government in Beijing has no reason to cut HK "short" in order to make Shanghai "tall".

China has many mega-cities which always compare and compete among themselves. SWFC has to be taller than ICC because the Shanghai city government is determined to eclipse HK and the easy way is to build something taller or grandiose. Competition will do no harm as long as it produces good result. SWFC and ICC may be a good example of benign competition.

Aboveday
May 16th, 2007, 12:26 PM
LOL - I remember there was a conspiracy theory on these forums a couple of years ago that the Chinese government didn't want Hong Kong to eclipse their showpiece. ;)

The 484m ICC will be just 8m shorter than the SWFC at 492m. However 2IFC is actually taller than Jin Mao to roof. I'd say it's taller than the Petronas Towers too:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v496/Fatmonkey/HK-SH-KL.jpg


You`re right, 2IFC is about 30 meters taller than the former WTB the Petronas Towers and Jin Mao Tower in terms of roof height.
ICC will be 2% shorter than SWFC, but will have 10-13% more floor area tha SWFC.
Also notice that ICC will got the Highest Office floor and Highest Hotel of East Asia.:cheers:

Aboveday
May 16th, 2007, 01:15 PM
http://netalbum2006.netvigator.com/netalbum/photos/9585b1e661a2d0b4dea994e74f3a46aa6339632fae0725641483db61390819d7121c099753481ed88618a43700da6216

Aboveday
May 16th, 2007, 02:32 PM
Taken by Xavier0713 @ skyscraper.cn:

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/DSCF2720_resize_wt_TeqXbOkzCEB3.jpg

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/DSCF2698_resize_wt_ME6wT6YOoeFh.jpg

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/DSCF2699_resize_wt_xO9QKoMH930A.jpg

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/DSCF2700_resize_wt_XNIzFVmzna3n.jpg

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/DSCF2701_resize_wt_iyYin7kol1ix.jpg

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/DSCF2709_resize_wt_C3L9Zlp10tsD.jpg

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/DSCF2695_resize_wt_u3cRbhFmeCKr.jpg

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/DSCF2702_resize_wt_OXsACuBEjBM0.jpg

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/DSCF2697_resize_wt_rwOiFfixFV06.jpg

http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/DSCF2694_resize_Vh2Lafoa0rVI.jpg

Monkey
May 16th, 2007, 02:40 PM
You`re right, 2IFC is about 30 meters taller than the former WTB the Petronas Towers and Jin Mao Tower in terms of roof height.
ICC will be 2% shorter than SWFC, but will have 10-13% more floor area tha SWFC.
Also notice that ICC will got the Highest Office floor and Highest Hotel of East Asia.:cheers:I agree with you aside from the small detail of describing the Petronas Towers as the "world's tallest building". I never regarded it as a legitimate title holder. The Sears Tower was always the people's champion in terms of height. I think New York's former WTC was taller than Petronas too. However the Petronas Towers have a stunning design and are far more beautiful than Sears or the hideous Taipei 101.

ZZ-II
May 16th, 2007, 06:48 PM
are the pics from today? i've thought it has already 67F instead of 66

Cunning Linguist
May 16th, 2007, 07:41 PM
The cladding looks stunning! And I wholeheartedly agree with your comments regarding the Sears tower, Petronas tower, and Taipei 101

Alle
May 16th, 2007, 07:45 PM
"The Chinese government didn't want hk to be better than them" -> it is not very logical because Hong Kong is part of China. The Chinese Government in Beijing has no reason to cut HK "short" in order to make Shanghai "tall".

China has many mega-cities which always compare and compete among themselves. SWFC has to be taller than ICC because the Shanghai city government is determined to eclipse HK and the easy way is to build something taller or grandiose. Competition will do no harm as long as it produces good result. SWFC and ICC may be a good example of benign competition.

That means that it would be a logical step for this building, as its built after SWFC, to get its height increased when its to late for Shanghai to do anything about SWFC. Maybe over 500m :banana:

Momo1435
May 16th, 2007, 08:54 PM
Who cares if it's not the highest building in the world when it will get the highest rooftop outdoor swimming pool!! :cheers:

Alle
May 16th, 2007, 09:04 PM
Who cares if it's not the highest building in the world when it will get the highest rooftop outdoor swimming pool!! :cheers:

It will? I didnt know that. It fits the roofdesign.

FastFerrari
May 16th, 2007, 09:08 PM
cant wait till these round of buildings are in the history books to see what city will bring out something new and more stuning.

Rachmaninov
May 16th, 2007, 09:09 PM
Great updates!!

But hey... HK sure had some of the ugliest pedestrian bridges to spoil everything...