CULWULLA
November 13th, 2007, 10:52 AM
i think its at floor 87 or 352m.
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View Full Version : HONG KONG | ICC | 483m | 1584ft | 118 fl | Com CULWULLA November 13th, 2007, 10:52 AM i think its at floor 87 or 352m. Route November 13th, 2007, 12:53 PM Yeah it's basically the same height as IFC2 now. A few more floors and it'll be HK's tallest. gladisimo November 13th, 2007, 12:59 PM ^^ I thought the IFC was 416 or something? That's still 60m away! Aboveday November 13th, 2007, 03:26 PM Yeah it's basically the same height as IFC2 now. A few more floors and it'll be HK's tallest. The roof height of 2IFC is 406.9m, ICC is still 50m shorter than her sister but will surpass Bank of China Tower, Central Plaza and Empire State Building very soon:) BrooklynNYC November 13th, 2007, 07:43 PM I love the city's lighting effects, but when is the last time that a person from Hong Kong saw a star? Gaeus November 13th, 2007, 07:46 PM ^^ Hong Kong is a big place. If you are talking about Kowloon and Victoria Harbor, then no one will be able to see one. You should see Hong Kong on New Year's Eve where many buildings flashes like a big "disco" city with fireworks at the harbor of course! _00_deathscar November 13th, 2007, 08:05 PM I love the city's lighting effects, but when is the last time that a person from Hong Kong saw a star? I saw Christian Bale the other day - does that count? Duopolis November 13th, 2007, 08:51 PM The base facade is disappointing. Unfortunatley I have to agree. Would look better if was more glassy. mcdonnell77 November 13th, 2007, 09:18 PM Looking good, but for some reason it does not look like its 352m tall. I don't know why I think that? xXFallenXx November 13th, 2007, 09:20 PM Because all the towers around it are very tall and because this thing is very bulky, giving the illusion that it is shorter. velut arbor aevo November 14th, 2007, 05:18 AM right, the towers beside it are just monstrous. velut arbor aevo November 14th, 2007, 05:24 AM right, the towers beside it are just monstrous. Aboveday November 14th, 2007, 02:42 PM Some ass kicking updates from 久地遊覽 Construction Reaches 88th floor.(14-11-2007) http://starphotohk.com/hk-place/2007/20071114-UnionSquareICCZoom(Pano)01-800.jpg http://starphotohk.com/hk-place/2007/20071114-UnionSquareFullView(Pano)01-800.jpg vader11 November 14th, 2007, 05:27 PM 88th floor already?? So the height of each floor should be shorter than that of 2IFC... ZZ-II November 14th, 2007, 05:29 PM why should it be shorter?? Skybean November 14th, 2007, 05:32 PM Great update Aboveday! Wow. Look at the base! This is a quality building. hkskyline November 14th, 2007, 06:40 PM 11/14 http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20071114/IMG_0528.jpg http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20071114/IMG_0535.jpg http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20071114/IMG_0547.jpg http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20071114/IMG_0552.jpg vader11 November 14th, 2007, 09:48 PM why should it be shorter??2IFC also has 88 floors yet it is around 50m taller than ICC right now. ZZ-II November 14th, 2007, 09:54 PM Has less than 88 floors, you know they're skipping floors with 4 etc... vader11 November 14th, 2007, 09:57 PM I think there're still 88 floors, they replace those skipped "4" floors by M floors. ZZ-II November 14th, 2007, 10:14 PM yes, indeed....i forgot ^^. Aboveday November 15th, 2007, 01:31 PM http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q144/aboveday2006/layman064.jpg by "layman" http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q144/aboveday2006/maskofchina.jpg by "maskofchina" Aboveday November 15th, 2007, 01:42 PM Has less than 88 floors, you know they're skipping floors with 4 etc... You're right, actually it only has 74-75 floors at the moment: http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q144/aboveday2006/20071114-ICC-floor-count.jpg _00_deathscar November 15th, 2007, 01:56 PM Holy shit @ Aboveday's first image! Skybean November 15th, 2007, 04:32 PM Holy shit @ Aboveday's first image! Agree. What a futuristic location! _00_deathscar November 15th, 2007, 04:43 PM Love the (apparent) lighting scheme on this too, looking like they're going with something more classic ala IFC-2 rather than the strange schemes you tend to see sometimes (Nina Tower - shyte). vader11 November 15th, 2007, 05:50 PM You're right, actually it only has 74-75 floors at the moment: http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q144/aboveday2006/20071114-ICC-floor-count.jpgSo it means this building won't have 118 floors?:ohno: Escoto_Dubai2008 November 15th, 2007, 05:59 PM Excellent pictures of the tower, it looks amazing. _00_deathscar November 15th, 2007, 06:22 PM So it means this building won't have 118 floors?:ohno: Not "really" no. Krattle November 15th, 2007, 07:03 PM Hmmm, if it has 74-75 floors now yet they say 88 then it skipped more than the 4-numbered floors. There are only 9 floors below 88 which end with 4 so that would leave 79 actual floors, not 75. Where did the other 4 go? Do they skip floor 13 as well? Still leaves 3 floors missing... That's why I hate this floor-skipping business. So cheap, so stupid. So this building will really have 106 floors if it skips all the "8 floors." And they say 118...pathetic. EricIsHim November 15th, 2007, 09:47 PM Hmmm, if it has 74-75 floors now yet they say 88 then it skipped more than the 4-numbered floors. There are only 9 floors below 88 which end with 4 so that would leave 79 actual floors, not 75. Where did the other 4 go? Do they skip floor 13 as well? Still leaves 3 floors missing... That's why I hate this floor-skipping business. So cheap, so stupid. So this building will really have 106 floors if it skips all the "8 floors." And they say 118...pathetic. 13 should be one of those being skipped. May be the other few are underground levels which you can't see in the picture. gladisimo November 16th, 2007, 03:15 AM Hmmm, if it has 74-75 floors now yet they say 88 then it skipped more than the 4-numbered floors. There are only 9 floors below 88 which end with 4 so that would leave 79 actual floors, not 75. Where did the other 4 go? Do they skip floor 13 as well? Still leaves 3 floors missing... That's why I hate this floor-skipping business. So cheap, so stupid. So this building will really have 106 floors if it skips all the "8 floors." And they say 118...pathetic. This is like saying people add spires on their buildings are stupid. Who cares what the final number of floors are, take the building in from an architectural point of view, and the fact that the height doesn't change. The number of floors is insignificant, and learn to respect the culture of other people. They're not doing it for no reason, putting people down before you think about what's going on just makes you an idiot. Krattle November 16th, 2007, 04:35 AM I'm not putting down a culture. I'm putting down the practice of skipping floors - not 8 numbered floors only. I do respect other cultures, if what they do is admirable. I'm not gonna respect a culture that, hypothetically let's say, murders it's own. I love Hong Kong and China both, I just think skipping floors is dumb, just like adding a big spire to punch up the height of a building. I think skipping the 13th floor is just as stupid as skipping all 8 numbered floors. superchan7 November 16th, 2007, 04:38 AM Ultimately the tenants will feel more comfortable being on a floor that is not labelled by a number sounding superstitiously bad. It's all about attracting tenants by removing a source of anxiety, such as "Will I be on a floor that sounds bad?" Taylorhoge November 16th, 2007, 04:56 AM I love it nice job Hong Kong love the pic with the helicopter highup November 16th, 2007, 11:37 AM I'm not putting down a culture. I'm putting down the practice of skipping floors - not 8 numbered floors only. I do respect other cultures, if what they do is admirable. I'm not gonna respect a culture that, hypothetically let's say, murders it's own. I love Hong Kong and China both, I just think skipping floors is dumb, just like adding a big spire to punch up the height of a building. I think skipping the 13th floor is just as stupid as skipping all 8 numbered floors. dont you mean 4 numbered floors. 8 is supposed to be lucky in chinese jhalsey November 16th, 2007, 12:13 PM What rubbish! Why not drop the superstition and just be straight and honest about floor numbers. This is'nt the middle ages for God's sake. pookgai November 16th, 2007, 01:36 PM What rubbish! Why not drop the superstition and just be straight and honest about floor numbers. This is'nt the middle ages for God's sake. Yes, it is not the Middle Ages and IT IS NOT ENGLAND! Surely one should be more concerned with the functionality, form and astheitics of a building rather than the mere floor count. Floors don't really mean much now do they? I think people are more concerned with the building's total height as floor-ceiling heights vary from building to building and country to country. All I know is that many cities around the world would love to have such a beautiful work of art in their city whether it is 118 floors or 108. One thing we can't deny is that this will be a c480m+ skyscraper. Why can't people just ACCEPT that things are done differently in various countries... ---------------- Anyway - great pix guys. Keep up the good work. Really looking forward to seeing the progress this building has made since May (my last visit) when I return at Christmas for 3 weeks. I'll be sure to post some piccies. LeMoN-SK November 16th, 2007, 01:42 PM I personally don't care if it will be 108 or 118 floors, 470 or 490m... It will be one great skyscraper whatever the final height and floor count... :) ZZ-II November 16th, 2007, 02:23 PM the floor count is not so important but the Height definitely ^^ LeMoN-SK November 16th, 2007, 02:29 PM If the height won't be more than SWFC or Taipei 101 than i think not... It will be definitely higher than 2IFC and it will be the highest building in HK... But if it will be 470 or 485, I don't care... :cheers: _00_deathscar November 16th, 2007, 02:31 PM Oh don't be such a lemon. LeMoN-SK November 16th, 2007, 02:44 PM I was born to be lemon:D ZZ-II November 16th, 2007, 03:24 PM If the height won't be more than SWFC or Taipei 101 than i think not... It will be definitely higher than 2IFC and it will be the highest building in HK... But if it will be 470 or 485, I don't care... :cheers: the height of a Skyscraper has to be as high as possible for me :D zerokarma November 16th, 2007, 06:25 PM Good updates oitavito November 16th, 2007, 06:25 PM Compare to Burj Dubai ,Taipei 101 / SWFC and ICC are nothing !( in term of height ) . _00_deathscar November 16th, 2007, 06:56 PM The SWFC is less than 20m shorter than Taipei 101, and ICC is less than 30m shorter. Oh, and both are far, far better pieces of architecture. The Taipei 101 is disgusting. Schmeek November 16th, 2007, 07:01 PM Oh, and both are far, far better pieces of architecture. The Taipei 101 is disgusting. How can u say T101 is disgusting?:ohno: Ok each to their own and all that but..... disgustingly beautiful maybe:) I love T101. oitavito November 16th, 2007, 07:07 PM Ultimately the tenants will feel more comfortable being on a floor that is not labelled by a number sounding superstitiously bad. It's all about attracting tenants by removing a source of anxiety, such as "Will I be on a floor that sounds bad?" Some people here might have no idea about Chinese Fung Shui ,taboos and traditional culture. I think the developer have all right to apply the Chinese Fung Shui thing on their property without any permission from USA, UK or Japan because ICC is a building which is 100% owned by some very wealthy and powerful Chinese capitalist. :lol: velut arbor aevo November 16th, 2007, 11:17 PM aren't people in the West just as superstitious about numbers jhalsey November 17th, 2007, 01:10 AM aren't people in the West just as superstitious about numbers Indeed we are. 88 was not a happy number for Barings/Leeson. 8's can be a big loss sometimes and a big gain at others - neither lucky nor unlucky over time. Let's have all floors at ICC numbered 101 (with suffixes). This will keep the tenants and billionaire developers happy! EricIsHim November 17th, 2007, 04:44 AM When will a building have 666+ floors? Will there be floor 666? Or 665 then 667? Taipei may not look the greatest, but it's a unique piece of architecture and engineering product. There are full of Feng Shui in that building as well. _00_deathscar November 17th, 2007, 05:36 AM Who cares about architectural and engineering feats? It looks like several piles of turds stacked on top of each other - the aesthetics manager for that building should be fired - and don't give me the 'pagoda' bollocks either; Jin Mao looks great. RON-E November 17th, 2007, 06:52 AM wow, this is growing fast. is this a staged opening? are there different parts of the building opening first even before construction is over, like trump in chicago? _00_deathscar November 17th, 2007, 06:53 AM ^^ Yes. The building is scheduled to open in mid-2008 I believe. kix111 November 17th, 2007, 06:55 AM ^lol. T101 must have its own attractive places to certain people. but i have to agree swfc and icc looks better. Also i dont really want to talk about T101's spire height and the roof height Aboveday November 17th, 2007, 08:30 AM http://starphotohk.com/hk-place/2007/20071115-UnionSquareICCNightView01-600.jpg http://starphotohk.com/hk-place/2007/20071114-UnionSquarePhase567(Pano)01-600.jpg http://starphotohk.com/hk-place/2007/20071024-UnionSquareDeckGarden(Pano)01-600.jpg http://starphotohk.com/hk-place/2007/20071116-UnionSquareICCZoom(Pano)01-600.jpg gladisimo November 17th, 2007, 12:25 PM ^lol. T101 must have its own attractive places to certain people. but i have to agree swfc and icc looks better. Also i dont really want to talk about T101's spire height and the roof height Honestly, I don't get why people get so worked about about floor size and height, etc. I think the SWFC, ICC and T101 are all very attractive buildings, and all in their own ways. I couldn't care less how tall or short a building is, and much less how many floors it has, as long as it looks good. For example, I love BD, not cuz its 800+m tall, but it's absolutely beautiful. Now, the Al Burj (I think its called) can be 5000m tall and I wouldn't care, cuz imo its really ugly. Aboveday November 17th, 2007, 01:09 PM http://starphotohk.com/hk-place/2007/20071115-UnionSquareICCNightView01-600.jpg http://starphotohk.com/hk-place/2007/20071114-UnionSquarePhase567(Pano)01-600.jpg http://starphotohk.com/hk-place/2007/20071024-UnionSquareDeckGarden(Pano)01-600.jpg http://starphotohk.com/hk-place/2007/20071116-UnionSquareICCZoom(Pano)01-600.jpg deleted. great184 November 17th, 2007, 02:49 PM Honestly, I don't get why people get so worked about about floor size and height, etc. I think the SWFC, ICC and T101 are all very attractive buildings, and all in their own ways. I couldn't care less how tall or short a building is, and much less how many floors it has, as long as it looks good. For example, I love BD, not cuz its 800+m tall, but it's absolutely beautiful. Now, the Al Burj (I think its called) can be 5000m tall and I wouldn't care, cuz imo its really ugly. Good to hear someone that thinks Al Burj is really ugly, and does not complain about spires. Of course the great majority here in SSC including myself likes ICC :) superchan7 November 17th, 2007, 07:36 PM I don't have anything against T101, but its style doesn't quite suit me as I don't get a "let's get down to business" feel from it. SWFC's shape and observation deck are interesting; my only dislike is the generic cladding. 2IFC has a great timeless design except for the slightly goofy roof. Looks like ICC might hit the spot for me. Who cares about the total number of floors, it's the actual height and the spaciousness of the floors that matter. spicytimothy November 17th, 2007, 10:56 PM I don't have anything against T101, but its style doesn't quite suit me as I don't get a "let's get down to business" feel from it. SWFC's shape and observation deck are interesting; my only dislike is the generic cladding. 2IFC has a great timeless design except for the slightly goofy roof. Looks like ICC might hit the spot for me. Who cares about the total number of floors, it's the actual height and the spaciousness of the floors that matter. I agree. T101 is so fugly. Stacked up Chinese take-out boxes. Nothing more. Plus it looks so out of place as the only true skyscraper in the area. spicytimothy November 17th, 2007, 10:58 PM aren't people in the West just as superstitious about numbers yup. most american hotels don't have 13th floor. Skybean November 19th, 2007, 12:48 AM http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2285/2043723925_8b39f920a0_b.jpg CULWULLA November 19th, 2007, 12:56 AM lev88 =347m looking fab http://starphotohk.com/hk-place/2007/20071114-UnionSquarePhase567(Pano)01-600.jpg Skymaster November 19th, 2007, 01:31 AM I agree. T101 is so fugly. Stacked up Chinese take-out boxes. Nothing more. Plus it looks so out of place as the only true skyscraper in the area. Haha stacked up Chinese takeout boxes thats hilarious! _00_deathscar November 19th, 2007, 05:34 AM I think the lighting will work out well! OREO November 19th, 2007, 11:10 AM more facades please................ chjbolton November 19th, 2007, 11:58 AM Good to hear someone that thinks Al Burj is really ugly, and does not complain about spires. I don't love Al Burj, but I will complain about the spire anyway. It's a matter of principle dear Sir!!! :) Aboveday November 19th, 2007, 12:31 PM http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q144/aboveday2006/h8ang14.jpg Source:dcfever.com gladisimo November 19th, 2007, 03:35 PM Nice sunset :) pookgai November 19th, 2007, 06:13 PM The towers look so loney =( Fill in the gap up to Canton road with some nice shiny offices mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. FastFerrari November 19th, 2007, 11:16 PM Getting very tall now. How many more floors do they need? RON-E November 19th, 2007, 11:39 PM man, amazingly breathtaking photos of HK as usual! love them! ZZ-II November 19th, 2007, 11:39 PM 20 :) TICONLA1 November 20th, 2007, 01:28 AM 20 :) Actually, I believe it's 30 more floors And yes, it's looking real tall now. thanks for the photos Skybean November 20th, 2007, 05:06 AM OMG http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/2065/20384929117a291ae2e8ojk3.jpg _00_deathscar November 20th, 2007, 05:38 AM Verdict: Needs mow supatall. Skybean November 20th, 2007, 06:02 AM Wow. Nice post! http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/2065/20384929117a291ae2e8ojk3.jpg ^^Nice anchors on the corners though. Kowloon is developing nicely. Indeed! Time for more supertalls. Aboveday November 20th, 2007, 02:45 PM Nice pic! Dazon November 20th, 2007, 02:47 PM Love that pic too... highup November 20th, 2007, 07:09 PM Correction; They show cunts playing football on it sometimes - AIG sponsors Wankchester United, hence they only show Scumchester United clips with Gayne Pooney and Cristiano Ronaldo. moderator please delete offensive post original post was 1902 ZZ-II November 20th, 2007, 07:47 PM lol :sleepy: _00_deathscar November 20th, 2007, 08:23 PM :lol: gladisimo November 20th, 2007, 10:56 PM Oh god, another over sensitive dude. He's not talking about you, just some football team he hates. Anyway, you're supposed to pm a mod to delete a post. Aboveday November 21st, 2007, 02:01 PM by Xavier0713 @ skyscraper.cn http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20071117_f658e382d491c9961a17XYwx4MH2WzbR.jpg http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20071118_5068457c2a908c3a7e59oV8vpApYQzQM.jpg http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20071117_5dbd5445064079618deafaf8J3IrxpNG.jpg http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20071117_4e78aeac3f8999ea09a1WYibqaly6e1k.jpg http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20071117_6cf39ab359fca2e74d5b422WntKGtRDg.jpg gladisimo November 21st, 2007, 02:40 PM Que Bien! Skymyhusband November 21st, 2007, 06:21 PM Que oui! :D _00_deathscar November 21st, 2007, 06:23 PM Don Qui! ZZ-II November 21st, 2007, 07:23 PM Reste le thème ^^ ( only a joke :) ) Skymyhusband November 21st, 2007, 07:28 PM :Wonderful update: (So geht's besser, nicht? ;) ) Aboveday November 22nd, 2007, 12:33 PM by fatshe http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20071117_e217c34a1be30cf3c016KTcczF1seNWe.jpg http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20071117_9ed00e8a4c908befd203jkJF74MYX0G0.jpg gladisimo November 22nd, 2007, 11:31 PM ^^Ohhhh this is one of the best I've seen so far, makes the tower look a shiny silver... hkskyline November 23rd, 2007, 07:43 PM 11/17 http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20071117/IMG_0708.jpg http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20071117/IMG_0709.jpg http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20071117/IMG_0742.jpg http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20071117/IMG_0780.jpg http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20071117/IMG_0789.jpg http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20071117/IMG_0814.jpg http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20071117/IMG_0854.jpg http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20071117/IMG_0917.jpg http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20071117/IMG_0925.jpg http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20071117/IMG_0971.jpg ZZ-II November 23rd, 2007, 08:39 PM the jungle out of skyscrapers in the last pic is damn awesome but by far not so beautiful like in NY i think the sock November 23rd, 2007, 10:11 PM the hong kong skyline is the best in the world. vader11 November 24th, 2007, 12:51 AM the jungle out of skyscrapers in the last pic is damn awesome but by far not so beautiful like in NY i thinkHK is better!:banana: _00_deathscar November 24th, 2007, 04:08 AM You camped out at the Peak all day hksky? Aboveday November 24th, 2007, 05:25 AM 11/17 http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20071117/IMG_0708.jpg http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20071117/IMG_0709.jpg http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20071117/IMG_0742.jpg http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20071117/IMG_0780.jpg http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20071117/IMG_0789.jpg http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20071117/IMG_0814.jpg http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20071117/IMG_0854.jpg http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20071117/IMG_0917.jpg http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20071117/IMG_0925.jpg http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20071117/IMG_0971.jpg Very nice! SOLOMON November 24th, 2007, 05:37 AM beautiful thank's for share the pic's williamhou2005 November 24th, 2007, 09:14 PM What time was the photo taken? http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20071117/IMG_0925.jpg Dan Hochhaus November 25th, 2007, 02:10 AM This is a really nice serial of pics from sunset to late dusk (I'd guess taken between 5 and 6 pm - difficult to tell precisely for me of course). The HK skyline is still improving... and ICC is already dominating the Union Square area. :cheers1: The light reflections in the concave glass facade make it stand out even more, especially before sunset. http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20071117/IMG_0814.jpg ^^ And hey - to the left, there's a rather tall building u/c in Central Hongkong. :happy: There haven't been many important new towers there recently, as most of the construction has happened further away, especially on the Kowloon mainland. Does anyone know something about this project? hkskyline November 25th, 2007, 05:38 AM Yes, taken around sunset 5-6pm. Aboveday November 25th, 2007, 04:55 PM deleted. Skymaster November 27th, 2007, 08:12 AM Man is this tower sturdy I mean it's overall thickness and the amount of concrete used in the core kinda reminds me of the empire state building. Aboveday November 27th, 2007, 01:05 PM deleted. Prince Victor November 27th, 2007, 01:28 PM Wow! pretty photos!!! :) chinatown November 27th, 2007, 05:31 PM imagine wat Kow Loon would be in 5 yrs time. MDguy November 27th, 2007, 11:12 PM ^ I can't wait for the sight of that! I love how this building is turning out! BTW, those last two photos, aboveday, could problably win in an urban photo contest :okay: hkskyline November 28th, 2007, 09:44 AM HK Land unfazed by tenants' moves to ICC 28 November 2007 South China Morning Post Hongkong Land Holdings says it sees little threat from Kowloon's International Commerce Centre despite more tenants moving from the company's properties in Central to the new landmark building. Facing rent rises and space restrictions, some of the city's biggest financial players are finding Kowloon a more cost effective location to their traditional home in Central. Morgan Stanley announced in August it would move from Hongkong Land's Exchange Square to the 118-storey skyscraper, doubling its office space to 300,000 square feet. Credit Suisse and JP Morgan, which have offices at Exchange Square and Chater House, also are reportedly in talks about moving to ICC. But Raymond Chow Ming-jo, Hongkong Land's executive director for commercial property, said the space being vacated by Morgan Stanley had already been marked by other financial institutions. "It is not a really bad thing [to see tenants moving out] since demand is so strong and it can be easily be taken up by other tenants looking to expand," Mr Chow said. He said tenants were not moving from Central because of rising rents - prices are now more than HK$100 per square feet, higher than the 1994 peak - but because they lack room. "Companies renting offices of 10,000 square feet were regarded as big tenants a decade ago," he said. "Now the real big tenants are renting 100,000 sqft." Mr Chow was upbeat on the overall market, with no new office supply in Central until the redevelopment of the Ritz-Carlton hotel. More firms were also setting up in Hong Kong while existing firms are expanding. Second City November 28th, 2007, 10:18 AM Very impressive! Aboveday November 29th, 2007, 02:57 PM By Xavier0713 @ skyscraper.cn http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20071129_ec6e7d4c65743d1b5295dgy8IYocTW9S.jpg http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20071129_b3c12ccaced0638d537bpP4UcIoYCPoS.jpg Aboveday November 29th, 2007, 03:11 PM Intelligent ICC to set new international green standard 27 November 2007 http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q144/aboveday2006/ICC-1280.jpg Sun Hung Kai Properties takes the environment into consideration in all aspects of business. The developer has incorporated over 100 different environmentally-friendly features in its International Commerce Centre project now under construction. These include the new 'Energy Optimizer' air conditioning system and intelligent lifts. ICC will be the third tallest building in the world and it was given the top 'platinum' HK-BEAM ranking provisionally (Building Environmental Assessment Method) for its high environmental standards and green building specifications. New environmental technology ICC Project Manager Pau Wai Keung said: "ICC is a world-class development and SHKP is incorporating the most advanced technologies in the design, construction and daily operation. We worked with university researchers to develop the new Energy Optimizer air conditioning system and are installing Hong Kong's first double-decker lift systems that offer energy efficiency and high security. The two technologies are expected to produce significant electricity savings compared with average office buildings, which will be enough each year to supply 6,500 families of four with power for a month." Energy Optimizer to cut power needs by 15% SHKP worked with the Hong Kong Polytechnic University to develop an air-conditioning system with a central intelligent control, energy consumption monitors, 24-hour housekeeping and more. The system will collect data and analyse it for day-and-night and seasonal variations to provide a baseline for adjusting various aspects of the air conditioning to reduce energy consumption. ICC will be the first building equipped with the new environmental technology, which is expected to reduce energy consumption by 15% compared with the average office building. 12% power saving on lifts ICC will have Hong Kong's first intelligent lift system incorporating security control and coordinated operation. Passengers will be able to use a smart card in the lift lobby that will allow a computer to assign specific lifts to passengers heading for the same floor. This kind of traffic management is expected to significantly reduce the number of lift stops and starts and trips made, which is projected to use 12% less power than most systems and reduce passengers' waiting time for better business efficiency. Recycling condensed water These energy-saving measures are complemented by a new system to recycle condensed water from the air-conditioning system for use in the air-con cooling towers and then as toilet flushing water. The system has been designed to handle 10,000 cubic metres of water annually; enough to fill four Olympic-sized swimming pools. Indoor air quality ICC will have hundreds of CO2 detectors throughout the building to monitor air quality and adjust fresh air intake to the building according to usage so as to maintain indoor air quality. The ventilation system will also have removable service panels to facilitate regular inspection and cleaning. Meeting multinationals' green requirements Lo King-Wai from Sun Hung Kai Real Estate Agency (Office Leasing) said that ICC's green dimensions demonstrate SHKP's commitment to the environment and also help leasing. He explained: "ICC is aimed at multinationals and other large companies, and many of them take environmental protection and social responsibility seriously. They want local offices to meet the same environmental standards as their European or North American operations. The superior environmental aspects that SHKP incorporated in ICC meet these stringent requirements, and so make it more attractive to potential tenants." SHKP also promotes environmental awareness through green property management, such as organizing energy-efficiency, recycling and waste-reduction promotions for office and residential tenants. Highest green rating ICC's provisional platinum rating was based on the HK-BEAM Society's evaluation of over 100 criteria including design, construction, operation, maintenance and property management. New Hong Kong landmark ICC is the centrepiece of SHKP's Kowloon Station development. The 490-metre, 118-storey tower will set new standards in scale and quality. The project is scheduled for completion in phases from the end of this year to 2010 and will contain grade-A offices, a mall, luxury residences and two top hotels. ICC and Two IFC on the opposite shore will form a 'harbour gateway' and new symbol of Hong Kong in the 21st century. - END - EricIsHim November 29th, 2007, 07:34 PM 12% power saving on lifts[/B] ICC will have Hong Kong's first intelligent lift system incorporating security control and coordinated operation. Passengers will be able to use a smart card in the lift lobby that will allow a computer to assign specific lifts to passengers heading for the same floor. This kind of traffic management is expected to significantly reduce the number of lift stops and starts and trips made, which is projected to use 12% less power than most systems and reduce passengers' waiting time for better business efficiency. i'm curious how the distribution is gonna work. RON-E November 29th, 2007, 08:53 PM great photo rendering! Prince Victor November 29th, 2007, 10:07 PM Amazed render, thanks for updating. :) oitavito November 30th, 2007, 05:54 PM The central core will top out soon and the steel structure of the hotel section which is above the central core will start construction. Aboveday November 30th, 2007, 06:05 PM http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q144/aboveday2006/jeremy-2.jpg by jeremy http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q144/aboveday2006/petebrook.jpg by petebrook http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q144/aboveday2006/sykinny.jpg by skykinny http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q144/aboveday2006/todayisnice.jpg by todayisnice http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q144/aboveday2006/lukasjenkner.jpg by lukasjenkner http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q144/aboveday2006/thecasualeye.jpg by thecasualeye http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q144/aboveday2006/pano.jpg by L Plater _00_deathscar November 30th, 2007, 06:07 PM http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q144/aboveday2006/thecasualeye.jpg Look at it shine back out onto the water! the sock November 30th, 2007, 06:09 PM the lobby looks stunning. Marco Polo November 30th, 2007, 07:40 PM a bit apart from the density of the island. but, why not? Momo1435 November 30th, 2007, 07:58 PM Looking at those pictures make me want to visit Hong Kong again! Thanks for the updates. potipoti November 30th, 2007, 08:48 PM nice pics, specially the one by L Plater Eric Offereins November 30th, 2007, 10:38 PM ^^ Yeah, that one is amazing. :shocked: LeMoN-SK November 30th, 2007, 11:36 PM Now this is what i call amazing pics, great!:banana: EnDleSsWaLtZ December 1st, 2007, 12:22 AM Before I die I just have to visit Hong Kong it's just breath taking! Route December 1st, 2007, 08:02 AM ICC is now up to Floor 89 so it has past IFC2 and is now HK's tallest. _00_deathscar December 1st, 2007, 08:55 AM ICC is now up to Floor 89 so it has past IFC2 and is now HK's tallest. Um....no, it isn't. gladisimo December 1st, 2007, 11:49 AM ^^ Didn't we just mention its still 50m away? It has the most floors of any buildings in hong kong (correct me if i'm wrong), but still far away from tallest. I like the picture by lukasjenkner, rarely seen angle Aboveday December 1st, 2007, 06:39 PM http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q144/aboveday2006/czhang_ca.jpg by czhang_c http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q144/aboveday2006/RobinMcmorran.jpg by Robin Mcmorran http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q144/aboveday2006/guy.jpg by "guy" http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q144/aboveday2006/downintheblue-2.jpg by down in the blue Aboveday December 1st, 2007, 11:04 PM http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q144/aboveday2006/wingwingday.jpg by wingwingday _00_deathscar December 2nd, 2007, 08:44 AM That's a really kick-arse effect. kurdapya December 2nd, 2007, 09:30 AM :nuts: Massive and Amazing!! Ill visit there early next year! :banana: fatshe December 2nd, 2007, 02:09 PM 2-12-07 http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20071202_e7aff07a4b31648bdfd4BKuCxGi7Y2xz.jpg http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20071202_c45992c2ab8367bdc0e9mv1awqQRgCk4.jpg Jude12 December 2nd, 2007, 02:24 PM whats the height now? :) _00_deathscar December 2nd, 2007, 05:53 PM 360m-ish? ZZ-II December 2nd, 2007, 06:57 PM yes, 360m should be right. only 28 more floors now :) Skymaster December 2nd, 2007, 08:52 PM It looks smallish for 360 meter'ish. ZZ-II December 2nd, 2007, 09:08 PM because of the massive size Escoto_Dubai2008 December 3rd, 2007, 06:18 AM The tower has a great progress. I like how it looks. Nice pictures also, I like all of them. Huhu December 3rd, 2007, 07:20 AM It looks smallish for 360 meter'ish. The buildings surrounding it are quite tall but wide, which may have an optical "shrinking" effect on the ICC. CULWULLA December 3rd, 2007, 12:40 PM 90th floor= 355m (from actual plans) as for number of actual floors. any with number 4 are ommitted, thus levels 4,14,24,34,44,54,64,74,84 (total 9) are missing, so they are actually up to 81 above grd. floors are averaging 4.4m each.thus 81x 4.4m=356m. Aboveday December 3rd, 2007, 01:34 PM deleted. highup December 3rd, 2007, 01:46 PM 90th floor= 355m (from actual plans) as for number of actual floors. any with number 4 are ommitted, thus levels 4,14,24,34,44,54,64,74,84 (total 9) are missing, so they are actually up to 81 above grd. floors are averaging 4.4m each.thus 81x 4.4m=356m. does that mean floors 40,41,42,43,45,46,47,48,49 are ok then? I respect chinese culture but this is plain stupid! oitavito December 3rd, 2007, 02:00 PM does that mean floors 40,41,42,43,45,46,47,48,49 are ok then? I respect chinese culture but this is plain stupid! I respect your stupidity and ignorance. highup December 3rd, 2007, 02:10 PM I respect your stupidity and ignorance. if i am ignorant and you are better informed please explain how some number fours are ok and others are not i`m intrigued to know answered my own question Unlucky numbers [edit] Four Main article: Tetraphobia Number 4 (四; accounting 肆; pinyin sì) is considered an unlucky number in Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese and Japanese cultures because it sounds like the word "death" (死 pinyin sǐ). Due to that, many numbered product lines skip the "4": e.g. Nokia cell phones (there is no series beginning with a 4), Palm PDAs, the Leisure Suit Larry games, Canon PowerShot G's series (after G3 goes G5), etc. In East Asia, some buildings do not have a 4th floor. (Compare with the American practice of some buildings not having a 13th floor because 13 is considered unlucky.) In Hong Kong, some high-rise residential buildings miss ALL floor numbers with "4", e.g. 4, 14, 24, 34 and all 40-49 floors. As a result, a building with 50th as the highest floor may actually have 36. Number 14 is considered to be one of the unluckiest numbers in Chinese culture. Although 14 is usually said as "shi si," which sounds like "ten die", it can also be said as "yi si" or "yao si", literally "one four". Thus, 14 can also be said as "yao si," literally "one four," but it also means "want to die" (要死 pinyin yào sǐ). In Cantonese, 14 sounds like "sap6 sei3", which sounds like "sat6 sei2" meaning "certainly die" (實死). pookgai December 3rd, 2007, 04:34 PM if i am ignorant and you are better informed please explain how some number fours are ok and others are not i`m intrigued to know Obviously, if the number '4' has a superstituous connotation, then so do other numbers... hkskyline December 3rd, 2007, 05:55 PM does that mean floors 40,41,42,43,45,46,47,48,49 are ok then? I respect chinese culture but this is plain stupid! Yes, those numbers are OK and even at IFC2 they exist. 44 is double death, so it's out. The others aren't so bothersome. gladisimo December 4th, 2007, 12:58 AM Another tool complaining about floor numbers... CULWULLA December 4th, 2007, 01:05 AM does that mean floors 40,41,42,43,45,46,47,48,49 are ok then? I respect chinese culture but this is plain stupid! no, just the last number 4. so 94 will be omitted, 104 and 114. so total of 12 will be missing. thus total actual floors will be 106 above grd. shenzhixian December 4th, 2007, 04:54 AM This is my first post. As with "4" and "13", I don't think the Burj Dubai has any superstitions concerning these floor numbers. beyond 1000 December 4th, 2007, 05:15 AM does that mean floors 40,41,42,43,45,46,47,48,49 are ok then? I respect chinese culture but this is plain stupid! I understand if they want to just omit 44 but all these floors with number 4 being omitted is truly nonsensical. If there are "forces" or out there causing bad luck or omens then does one think those "forces" could be fooled if you, for example, call the fourth level floor "5"? You would still be on the fourth level, like it or not. Your "bad luck" then is still upon you. Same thing goes for number 13. No biggy but I think it just ruins the floor numbering of a building. Hey highup thanks for explaining in detail the number 4 etc in buildings. I didn't really know how it works in Asian culture. So ICC really will be 106 floors above ground superchan7 December 4th, 2007, 07:37 AM Usually buildings will omit 4/F and all other floor numbers ending in 4, but not beginning with 4 (there are exceptions). It's not about the actual floor count but simply the name of the floor that one resides on or works on. I don't see any business lost due to floor numberings so it is not a problem. kix111 December 4th, 2007, 08:17 AM its because that 4 sounds like death in chinese... Lightness December 4th, 2007, 08:48 AM Could they not just change the name of the number instead? Then there wouldn't be a need for messing up the floor numbering and total count all the time. Huhu December 4th, 2007, 12:47 PM ^^ Lol :lol: superchan7 December 4th, 2007, 12:57 PM Japanese has alternate pronunciations for the numbers 4 and 7. To my knowledge Hong Kong has the most widely accepted habit of skipping floor numbers on almost all buildings. I wonder how it is in other Chinese-speaking areas. CULWULLA December 4th, 2007, 01:21 PM alot of western countries dont include lev13 in there bldg.superstitious/ silly whoami December 4th, 2007, 01:53 PM wait a minute 26 28 29 were also skipped? CULWULLA December 4th, 2007, 01:59 PM ^yeah i was going to mention that. but somewhere else it makes up for those 3 floors. kankan December 5th, 2007, 10:01 AM Kindly inform me as to where I can access the previous part of this thread that has been cut out to keep this thread concise and current? Thanks in advance. KanKan hkskyline December 5th, 2007, 05:50 PM SHKP welcomes Credit Suisse's Hong Kong operations to the International Commerce Centre (ICC) 5 December 2007 http://www.shkp.com/html/klnstation/en/news_20071205.htm Credit Suisse has entered into a long term tenancy agreement today with Sun Hung Kai Properties, the developer of International Commerce Centre (ICC) in West Kowloon. Credit Suisse is expected to move its entire Hong Kong operations to ICC by 2011, underpinning the development's positioning as a compelling alternative to the established Central Business District. The Bank will initially occupy the top 10 office floors of the ICC - including an exclusive client reception suite on the prestigious 88th floor - in the very top zone, totaling 300,000 sq ft. The new facility, which will result in Credit Suisse's office space expanding by 40% in Hong Kong, will have a capacity for over 2000 employees. Credit Suisse will start moving staff to the ICC during the second half of 2008. Sited at Kowloon Station, the distinctive 118-storey mixed-use mega-tower has been designed by world-renowned architects, Kohn Pedersen Fox Associates, and is being constructed in phases. Occupancy is scheduled to commence as early as the first quarter of 2008, with the tower's completion expected in 2010. "We are delighted to be announcing this move to the ICC. Hong Kong is very important to us and this tenancy agreement underscores our commitment to the long term growth of our Hong Kong businesses." said Paul Calello, CEO Credit Suisse Asia Pacific. "This move also demonstrates our ongoing commitment to Hong Kong, which is already home to some of our most important events," he added. Credit Suisse earlier this year held for the 10th consecutive year its flagship Asian Investment Conference in Hong Kong, which attracts over 1,400 business leaders and investors from around the world. As part of Credit Suisse's commitment to decreasing the impact on climate change of its operations globally, it will also introduce leading technology into the ICC to reduce energy consumption. At ICC, Credit Suisse will become the first office worldwide to introduce "thinclient" computer terminals for all its staff, which will eliminate the need for each employee to have an individual Personal Computer, and instead all terminals will be linked directly to Virtual Desktop images running on remote servers that will be housed outside the ICC. This concept will allow employees to work from any location in a highly flexible and efficient way, generating considerable cost-savings. The elimination of individual PCs for each employee will result in significant cost and energy savings, with usage resulting in a reduction of up to 20% in power consumption. In addition, Credit Suisse's offices at the ICC will also be fitted with IP telephony and wireless networks, to allow employees to sit at any desk and obtain their full IT environment instantly. This will allow Credit Suisse to use its offices at ICC in a highly flexible and efficient way, generating considerable cost savings during office reconfigurations. "The ICC is without doubt a premier development and Credit Suisse is delighted to have secured premier space within such an energy efficient building. As a global integrated bank offering Investment Banking, Private Banking and Asset Management services, these state-of-the-art premises will allow our employees to fully maximize integrated service delivery to our clients," said Eoin O'Shea, COO Credit Suisse Asia Pacific. "ICC's specifications speak for themselves," said Sun Hung Kai Properties Vice Chairman and Managing Director Raymond Kwok, "ICC is a symbol of Hong Kong's status as a prosperous, world-class international city, and we are proud to have Credit Suisse join us here alongside other prestigious tenants. It is a striking vote of confidence in our belief that ICC will be the latest in Hong Kong's landmark buildings, poised to be the first choice of business address for reputable and high quality tenants." ICC's exceptional building and infrastructure specifications, management services and on-site hotel and accommodation deliver practicality and prestige, functionality and style in a single convenient package to prospective tenants. Soon to open at the Kowloon Station are The Ritz-Carlton, Hong Kong, and Hong Kong's inaugural W-Hotel. Elements, located directly underneath ICC, boasting over one million square feet of top end shopping, dining, and entertainment, opened recently in October 2007. Elements brings together some of the world's most sought-after brands and restaurants. The diversity of Elements has generated thousands of visitors to the complex ever since the opening. Moreover, ICC's waterfront site, distinctive architecture, spacious and highly-efficient design, state-of-the-art facilities and revitalizing green spaces are designed to appeal to a wide variety of tenants, from financial institutions to multinational corporations. Credit Suisse As one of the world's leading banks, Credit Suisse provides its clients with investment banking, private banking and asset management services worldwide. Credit Suisse offers advisory services, comprehensive solutions and innovative products to companies, institutional clients and high-net-worth private clients globally, as well as retail clients in Switzerland. Credit Suisse is active in over 50 countries and employs approximately 47,000 people. Credit Suisse's parent company, Credit Suisse Group, is a leading global financial services company headquartered in Zurich. Credit Suisse Group's registered shares (CSGN) are listed in Switzerland and, in the form of American Depositary Shares (CS), in New York. Further information about Credit Suisse can be found at www.credit-suisse.com. About International Commerce Centre At a soaring 118-storey height, the International Commerce Centre (ICC) will be Hong Kong's latest distinctive landmark. Designed by internationally acclaimed architectural firm Kohn Pedersen Fox Associates, ICC stands for uncompromising design and building quality, and is backed by Hong Kong's leading developer, Sun Hung Kai Properties. Located at a key Harbour crossing point in West Kowloon, ICC will be the only integrated, easily accessible Grade-A commercial and retail space along the Kowloon peninsula. ICC offers exceptional transportation convenience - with commanding views of Hong Kong's distinctive skyline. ICC encapsulates today’s paradigm of modern living - from sumptuous retail locations to luxury boutique residences and revitalizing green spaces. ICC will be completed in phases from 2007 to 2010. When complete, ICC will comprise of 2.5 million square feet of Grade-A offices, a 1-million square feet shopping mall - Elements, luxury residences and serviced apartments – all accessible via Kowloon Station. About Sun Hung Kai Properties Sun Hung Kai Properties (SHKP) has been publicly listed since 1972 and today is one of Hong Kong's largest property companies. It has built a strong brand name over the years, along with a reputation for premium quality and comprehensive customer care across the residential, office and retail markets. The company is well known for its seasoned management and commitment to good corporate governance, and the SHKP brand is seen as a guarantee of 'quality you can trust' by customers and investors alike. Prince Victor December 6th, 2007, 09:18 AM ^^ Wow, great photos! I ever enjoy seeing them every time. Just keep updating them anytime so I'll be coiming back again next time! Thanks for updating everything. :) Momo1435 December 6th, 2007, 09:25 AM You can't say all those skipped floor numbers have a negative effect on the business since it doesn't seem like it has a big problem with attracting high profile tenants. A tower like this only deserves the best companies of course. Aboveday December 6th, 2007, 12:35 PM Can New Hong Kong Tower Put Kowloon On The Map? The Wall Street Journal 2007年12月06日16:37 For decades, this city's famous skyscrapers have all been jammed together in a district of Hong Kong Island known as Central. Across the narrow harbor from the island, the city's mainland portion, called Kowloon -- a sort of New Jersey to Central's Manhattan -- has stayed off the radar for financial firms, despite being a five-minute ferry ride away. Instead, the peninsula developed into a dense hodgepodge of narrow shopping alleys, sprawling public-housing projects, shipping yards and garment factories. But when the 1,588-foot-tall International Commerce Center -- which will be the tallest tower in Hong Kong and the third-tallest in the world -- opens for business this month on the Kowloon side, it will change the face of a commercial-property market that has boomed along with China's rising financial might. The ICC, a mixed-used project being built in three phases through 2010, bundles upscale shopping and a Ritz-Carlton hotel with 2.5 million square feet of office space. It is being developed by Sun Hung Kai Properties Ltd., a locally listed company controlled by the Kwok brothers, mainstays of Forbes magazine's annual list of the wealthy. Sun Hung Kai oversaw the development of what is currently Hong Kong's tallest building, the International Finance Center. The ICC sits atop Kowloon Station, a three-minute subway ride from Hong Kong Station in Central. When a planned high-speed rail link to Guangzhou, mainland China's third-largest city, is completed in a few years, it will position the ICC at the crossroads of a key rail line that will bring Guangzhou to within 45 minutes of Hong Kong. Still, when Morgan Stanley announced in August that it was moving across the harbor and consolidating its Asia-Pacific headquarters in the ICC, it shook a banking sector and an office market that have for decades revolved around prestigious Central. The Wall Street firm has signed up for as many as 650,000 square feet of office space, more than double the space it currently leases out of several buildings in Central. Lo King-wai, a general manager for Sun Hung Kai, says the developer was initially targeting firms with close business ties to mainland China, for which a Kowloon location would be a more natural fit. An announcement is expected today in Hong Kong that Credit Suisse Group is moving all its Hong Kong operations to the ICC by 2011, starting next year. The bank will initially occupy the top 10 office floors, a total of 300,000 square feet, expanding its Hong Kong office space substantially. 'A lot of banks are looking for the 'one firm' experience, everyone in the same building,' says Simon Lo, a Hong Kong-based director of research and consultancy for real-estate services firm Colliers International. The announcements will lend more credibility to Kowloon as a home for global financial firms with a foothold in Hong Kong. Other firms are in talks to set up shop in the ICC, with ABN Amro Holding NV and Deutsche Bank AG both discussing deals, according to a number of people in the industry. Deutsche Bank and Morgan Stanley declined to comment. An ABN Amro spokeswoman didn't respond to requests for comment. The arrival of the ICC comes as China's booming economic growth and Hong Kong's increasing stature as the gateway to that market have fueled demand for top-grade office space. Low supply in space-crunched Central has driven costs there into the stratosphere, forcing financial institutions to shunt back-room operations to farther-flung locations. Since hitting a nadir in 2003, office lease rates in Central have jumped fivefold, to about 100 Hong Kong dollars (US$12.84) per square foot per month, according to data from property consultants CB Richard Ellis. For newer buildings, the increase has been steeper, with floor space at the IFC now pulling as much as eight times what it did just four years ago, brokers say. In the past year alone, average monthly rates in Central have risen 30%, making office space there about five times as expensive as it is in mainland Kowloon. According to CB Richard Ellis, office space across Hong Kong is the 10th most expensive in the world and, in November, was the 15th fastest-rising. The high rates have been driven by sustained demand from expanding banks, hedge funds and firms from mainland China eager to secure prime office space in Central. That trend has already driven out a number of accounting, legal and professional services firms that moved into Central during 2003, as severe acute respiratory syndrome, or SARS, walloped the economy. For a big investment bank like Morgan Stanley, saving on a lease -- the firm saved more than 50% in making its move, according to property brokers -- isn't necessarily the top factor, given some of the ICC's other advantages: state-of-the-art infrastructure, like advanced data capacity and security facilities for computer transactions, as well as ample room for consolidation and expansion. Increasingly, the one-firm experience is becoming difficult to obtain in Central, as these banks' businesses in Asia all continue their aggressive expansion plans. Even as demand has boomed, supply in space-crunched Central has remained stagnant. Since the early 1990s, Hong Kong's economic growth has far outstripped office supply in Central, a situation exacerbated by the fact that few major construction projects have taken place there since the IFC opened in 2003, with virtually no top-grade office space expected to open up in the next three years. Still, there could be hurdles to the ICC's success, not least of which is that, for some in Hong Kong's banking community, Kowloon feels as far away as New Jersey might to a Manhattanite. 'Kowloon is like a barbarian place. Unfortunately, that's how a lot of people in Hong Kong feel,' says Mr. Lo of Sun Hung Kai. When Morgan Stanley approached, Mr. Lo says, he was pleasantly surprised, especially when the bank said it would consolidate its operations there. The Sun Hung Kai general manager says the developer responded by regearing its pitch to investment banks. Now, with Morgan Stanley packing its boxes, Credit Suisse signing on and others expected to follow, he says a critical mass may be developing, a view shared by brokers. Ultimately, the ICC, together with a cluster of developments farther east in Kowloon, could help relieve the upward pressure on prices in Central. Yet in a sign of the immense demand for space in Central, analysts say that some landlords, far from worrying that their tenants will flee to Kowloon, are only too happy to see them go, knowing they can increase the rent for the next investment bank or brokerage firm. CB Richard Ellis says it has a list of investment and retail banks that are very close to signing. Andy Yuen, director of the office department at property consultant DTZ in Hong Kong, says he doesn't think the ICC will make a huge difference to Kowloon as a whole. More important, Mr. Yuen says, is the gentrification of East Kowloon, the traditional industrial part of town. The ICC, on the other hand, is being built on reclaimed land. In recent years, the teeming area has seen a degree of gentrification, with a number of glitzy new redevelopments sprouting there. The ICC is expected generally to hasten that process. Mr. Lo of Sun Hung Kai says that with young expatriate professionals flooding into Kowloon, the ICC could trigger a wave of upscaling to the area. Jonathan Cheng The Wall Street Journal Aboveday December 7th, 2007, 03:19 PM http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q144/aboveday2006/snuffy.jpg by Snuffy http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q144/aboveday2006/pay21.jpg by pay21 http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q144/aboveday2006/rovcina.jpg by rovcina http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q144/aboveday2006/jenny_wong.jpg by Jenny Wong http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q144/aboveday2006/danielglobal.jpg by daniel global http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q144/aboveday2006/larrykaplan.jpg by larrykaplan http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q144/aboveday2006/austenbrown.jpg by austenbrown _00_deathscar December 7th, 2007, 03:52 PM http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q144/aboveday2006/jenny_wong.jpg That's the angle I'm talking about! Hanoi Road and Union Square overlapping... Fantastic picture by pay21 though ... best of the lot. The façade is fuckin fantastic - it really is like a massive sheet of mirror across the harbour ~ can't wait till it's done. potipoti December 7th, 2007, 04:25 PM great pics, Aboveday!! velut arbor aevo December 7th, 2007, 05:33 PM amazing... germantower December 7th, 2007, 05:41 PM nice updates,thanks to all who spenmt time to take theese pictures for us......btw i have much learned about the construction and engineering of skyscrapers while looking at the construction of this one.... the sock December 9th, 2007, 08:10 PM whats the height at the moment please. marocboy December 9th, 2007, 08:12 PM beautiful pics ZZ-II December 9th, 2007, 08:13 PM on december 2nd it was 360m...so it should be 365-370m now skyperu34 December 9th, 2007, 10:14 PM Wonderful pics !!!!!!!!!! Thanks ! hkskyline December 10th, 2007, 07:06 PM 12/9 http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20071209/IMG_2454.jpg Comdot December 10th, 2007, 09:15 PM i already thought the hk skyline was bitchin' but it's getting so much better! the sock December 11th, 2007, 12:16 AM cheers zz11, nearly as tall as the empire state building but doesnt look as tall. Aboveday December 11th, 2007, 03:02 PM http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q144/aboveday2006/hd-11.jpg Aboveday December 11th, 2007, 03:41 PM http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q144/aboveday2006/jbaxle.jpg by Jbaxle http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q144/aboveday2006/attettechong.jpg by Attette Chong _00_deathscar December 11th, 2007, 03:42 PM http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q144/aboveday2006/hd-11.jpg "My penis is this big - to scale of course." _00_deathscar December 11th, 2007, 03:43 PM On a more serious note, is that the lighting in the room playing tricks or is the bottom half of the model's façade (assuming it's done very very realistically) way more mirrory than the top half? Eeerwin December 11th, 2007, 03:48 PM On a more serious note, is that the lighting in the room playing tricks or is the bottom half of the model's façade (assuming it's done very very realistically) way more mirrory than the top half? the top part of the tower is slanted Aboveday December 11th, 2007, 03:54 PM by leclerckong http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii127/aboveday2007/leclerckong.jpg by FEVER4EVER http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii127/aboveday2007/FEVER4EVER-2.jpg _00_deathscar December 11th, 2007, 04:01 PM Exchange Square looks so tiny. ICC is starting to look quite big from the Peak. eddie88 December 11th, 2007, 04:29 PM i love seeing buildings that i use in simcity this one is going to look awesome Escoto_Dubai2008 December 11th, 2007, 05:36 PM Excellent pictures of Hong Kong. hkskyline December 11th, 2007, 07:17 PM 12/11 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/asiaglobe/hongkong/IMG_2719.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/asiaglobe/hongkong/IMG_2717.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/asiaglobe/hongkong/IMG_2716.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/asiaglobe/hongkong/IMG_2711.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/asiaglobe/hongkong/IMG_2706.jpg decks67 December 12th, 2007, 02:55 AM nice pics Route December 12th, 2007, 11:30 AM yes the reason ICC still doesn't look to tall (at 92 stories this week) is because it's so damn massive in terms of floor size. It appears the floors are twice the size of SWFC or IFC2 and because of it's width it place tricks on you when you look at it. Aboveday December 12th, 2007, 12:27 PM 12/11 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/asiaglobe/hongkong/IMG_2719.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/asiaglobe/hongkong/IMG_2717.jpg great pics! webeagle12 December 12th, 2007, 09:24 PM great pics! The picture, or ICC, or that erected penis of planet earth :lol: Gratte-ciel December 12th, 2007, 09:58 PM I keep expecting the ICC (when complete) to tower over IFC, but I don't think it will because they are not in close proximity to each other like the Jin Mao is to the SWFC. Although the ICC is taller if stood next to IFC, will it really appear to be taller because it's across the harbour? or will they appear to be level with each other. FANTASTIC PICS AND UPDATES....CREDIT TO YOU ALL. Skybean December 12th, 2007, 10:27 PM Roughly 2x height of Harbourside right beside it... You can imagine its height in the pictures. One of the few cities in which a 250m building is dwarfed. kix111 December 13th, 2007, 12:07 AM i dont think icc would look taller than ifc when completed. i remember there is a render showing a ray of light connecting the top of icc and ifc. that ray of light looks parallel to the sea, so i guess they would look like they have the same height LeMoN-SK December 13th, 2007, 04:37 AM I think 2IFC will still look taller than ICC, because ICC is much more massive and it's neighbours are taller than the close neighbours of 2IFC and that makes the tower look smaller... Comdot December 13th, 2007, 04:44 AM are we seeing this building built thanks to hong kong being handed back to the chinese? are we going to see more on the kowloon peninsula? is this part of the SAR? i really like the neighbouring buildings, particularly the pink one with the ludicrous sky bridge. very fun! :) hkskyline December 13th, 2007, 05:07 AM are we seeing this building built thanks to hong kong being handed back to the chinese? are we going to see more on the kowloon peninsula? is this part of the SAR? i really like the neighbouring buildings, particularly the pink one with the ludicrous sky bridge. very fun! :) The land was created over a decade ago as part of the new airport project, which was envisioned by the British but construction straddled the handover. Part of the new airport project included a new rail line and the subway operator was given rights to build on top of major stations along the route. ICC was part of that vision to create a huge new upscale community around Kowloon Station. The timing is quite good because now that the economy is booming, rents in the traditional core areas on Hong Kong Island have risen substantially, and ICC offers superb facilities at a fraction of the price just across the harbour. As a result, a number of investment banks have signed leases to expand their operations in HK and move their HQ to ICC. Kowloon in general should see more skyscrapers in the future now that the old airport at Kai Tak has closed. Height restrictions have been eased, and there have been a number of major projects here and there. However, people are now concerned with the arrangement of these new tall buildings and how they are impacting existing mid-rise neighborhoods, so these types of developments are expected to come under more scrutiny in the days to come. _00_deathscar December 13th, 2007, 06:17 AM are we seeing this building built thanks to hong kong being handed back to the chinese? are we going to see more on the kowloon peninsula? is this part of the SAR? i really like the neighbouring buildings, particularly the pink one with the ludicrous sky bridge. very fun! :) The Arch? It's not a skybridge, it's a private clubhouse with swimming pool. Comdot December 13th, 2007, 06:54 AM very informative, hkskyline. did the british plan it because they owned koyloon as well as hong kong? i thought they just owned hong kong. ICC does sound good for tennants... it is so close to the airport, and right by the tunnel to HK. will most of the new high rise in kowloon be created by demolishing existing buildings do you think? it's very interesting to look at this on google earth. you can see ICC going up. and there are 3d models. The Arch? It's not a skybridge, it's a private clubhouse with swimming pool. sweet! hkskyline December 13th, 2007, 08:13 AM very informative, hkskyline. did the british plan it because they owned koyloon as well as hong kong? i thought they just owned hong kong. ICC does sound good for tennants... it is so close to the airport, and right by the tunnel to HK. will most of the new high rise in kowloon be created by demolishing existing buildings do you think? it's very interesting to look at this on google earth. you can see ICC going up. and there are 3d models. sweet! The British colony included Hong Kong Island and Kowloon. New skyscrapers in Kowloon include both new buildings on new land, such as ICC, but the bulk of future developments will involve demolishing old buildings to make way for new, taller buildings. Cunning Linguist December 13th, 2007, 10:27 AM How on god's green Earth can someone actually *like* the arch??!!! _00_deathscar December 13th, 2007, 12:29 PM How on god's green Earth can someone actually *like* the arch??!!! They're sick, perverse and twisted? Aboveday December 13th, 2007, 02:36 PM http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii127/aboveday2007/dasfarbarmt.jpg by Dasfarbarmt http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii127/aboveday2007/harlequin3.jpg by Harlequin3 http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii127/aboveday2007/Octopuscard-2.jpg by Octopuscard http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii127/aboveday2007/leclerckong.jpg by Leclerckong(repost) Aboveday December 14th, 2007, 02:07 PM http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii127/aboveday2007/realjdl.jpg by realjdi http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii127/aboveday2007/miriam63-2.jpg by miriam63 Momo1435 December 14th, 2007, 06:55 PM I like realjdi's pic, I never seen the tower from this angle before. It shows the beautiful contrast between the old Kowloon and Union Square. :) Comdot December 14th, 2007, 08:15 PM How on god's green Earth can someone actually *like* the arch??!!! :baaa: mcdonnell77 December 14th, 2007, 08:18 PM It looks amazing now that they have nearly finished the base also it is starting to look really tall. Its simply stunning! _00_deathscar December 15th, 2007, 02:43 PM A wee bit old now, as the ICC is a fair bit taller, but bloody gold. :) http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/2083/1457784517cb95d5e6babsp8.jpg You can find more of the bloke's works (mostly HDR) - a fantastic photographer, including a fairly detailed tutorial on HDR here: http://stuckincustoms.com ZZ-II December 15th, 2007, 06:03 PM that's what i call an awesome shot from HK :eek:!!!! Comdot December 15th, 2007, 08:45 PM great HDR _00_deathscar December 16th, 2007, 06:52 PM Another old one, but a nice panorama. Union Square in the distance on the left. Showcases emerging Kowloon well. You can view the full sized image here: http://www.culture.com.hk/gallery/view_photo.php?full=1&set_albumName=album87&id=NorthPoint_070913_046s http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/5962/northpoint070913046sbw2.jpg skyperu34 December 17th, 2007, 02:38 AM http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii127/aboveday2007/realjdl.jpg by realjdi by miriam63 This photo is very beautiful. ICC looks such a giant emerging above its neighbors. What a monster! thx ! _00_deathscar December 17th, 2007, 09:06 AM Taken from Island Lodge again, different time of the day. :) http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/7954/northpoint070913079sqr9.jpg Dan Hochhaus December 17th, 2007, 10:32 AM Another old one, but a nice panorama. Union Square in the distance on the left. Showcases emerging Kowloon well. You can view the full sized image here: http://www.culture.com.hk/gallery/view_photo.php?full=1&set_albumName=album87&id=NorthPoint_070913_046s ... What a perfect dream of a panorama... in full size it is even twice as impressive! :happy: Only one thing seems to be strange here: where are the ICC cranes?? I guess they must've been absorbed by the glare of the setting sun. highup December 20th, 2007, 10:21 AM what floor are we on now? can anyone estimate progress by 4th feb 2008 when i visit for chinese new year Aboveday December 20th, 2007, 12:49 PM what floor are we on now? can anyone estimate progress by 4th feb 2008 when i visit for chinese new year Level 95 now. ============================ http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii127/aboveday2007/l225601197483331.jpg http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii127/aboveday2007/l225601197483331-1.jpg by King Kong from Hong Kong.:) _00_deathscar December 20th, 2007, 01:13 PM Shame about Star House. highup December 20th, 2007, 05:03 PM Shame about Star House. star house? _00_deathscar December 20th, 2007, 05:20 PM star house? The building far right in the previous picture[s] with the big blob of light that ruins the picture[s]. the sock December 22nd, 2007, 12:40 AM the night shots look great. fatshe December 23rd, 2007, 05:43 PM 23-12-07 http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20071223_54f257e641aa5407bf36MU28xCLlR2ap.jpg Aboveday December 23rd, 2007, 05:55 PM http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii127/aboveday2007/LouieChung.jpg by Louie Chung http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii127/aboveday2007/LOLANTO-2.jpg http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii127/aboveday2007/LOLANTO-3.jpg by LOLANTO sunshine_121 December 23rd, 2007, 07:24 PM Wow looks like its starting to top out...:banana: ZZ-II December 23rd, 2007, 08:02 PM it is still far away from topping out ^^ Comdot December 23rd, 2007, 08:35 PM that boat looks awesome PwnedByASkyscraper December 23rd, 2007, 08:53 PM it is still far away from topping out ^^ Yeah, it's only at about Level 95-6 right now. Great shot of the podium, BTW! :cheers: fatshe December 24th, 2007, 01:38 PM 24-12-07 http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20071224_c3debc718855917f65c2juFc4nR2GaTl.jpg Copyright by skyscrapers.cn-Mr.Xavier0713 ZZ-II December 24th, 2007, 01:52 PM wow, 97 already....damn are they fast!! CULWULLA December 24th, 2007, 03:15 PM lev97= 380m. looks tall now. same height as ESB. just 4 more levels to go in current zone 5.(ZONE G) lev98,99,100 (observation) & lev101 (observation) which will reach 404m high. then it will be at 3 mech floors for a while. _00_deathscar December 24th, 2007, 06:23 PM It's already Hong Kong's 2nd tallest building...Jesus. Cunning Linguist December 24th, 2007, 07:33 PM if you count the cranes it *might* be taller than ifc =p Comdot December 25th, 2007, 12:30 AM lol PwnedByASkyscraper December 25th, 2007, 12:34 AM if you count the cranes it *might* be taller than ifc =p The cranes are most likely taller than 35 meters so it should be :cheers:. Aboveday December 26th, 2007, 09:10 AM http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii127/aboveday2007/xavier.jpg by Xavier0713' Same height as Empire State Building! Rachmaninov December 26th, 2007, 02:17 PM Thanks for the updates! Patrick Highrise December 26th, 2007, 02:28 PM yeah, thnks for these updates...It is coming along very nice now! Speedy enough for me..:) that pic of its dragontale btw was really good! :okay: :cool: OREO December 26th, 2007, 06:20 PM why they stop adding facades to the building? RON-E December 26th, 2007, 08:02 PM thats what i was wondering???? Aboveday December 27th, 2007, 02:38 PM by Xavier0713 @ skyscraper.cn http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2272/2138099848_67767ecc03_o.jpg http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2172/2137318311_ef59dd685c_o.jpg http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2355/2139391419_96a065b10b_o.jpg http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2358/2139391925_06be24120c_o.jpg http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2369/2140175960_4af99bc882_o.jpg http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2165/2139392693_cce16c4d99_o.jpg whoami December 27th, 2007, 04:16 PM they get tired maybe... TOP1 thats the reason, interior works of the cladding most important now. hkskyline December 27th, 2007, 07:04 PM 12/27 http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20071227/IMG_3572.jpg http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20071227/IMG_3543.jpg http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20071227/IMG_3544.jpg the sock December 27th, 2007, 07:48 PM its still hard to take in that its a 1000+ feet at the moment. mcdonnell77 December 27th, 2007, 08:31 PM its still hard to take in that its a 1000+ feet at the moment. Its the same height as the Empire State Building, but in those pictures it doesnt look that tall. Its hard to understand? Aboveday December 28th, 2007, 04:20 PM http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii127/aboveday2007/powerprincess.jpg by Power Princess http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii127/aboveday2007/guzhengman.jpg by guzhengman http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii127/aboveday2007/boboescu.jpg http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii127/aboveday2007/boboescu-02.jpg by boboescu Aboveday December 28th, 2007, 04:22 PM Its the same height as the Empire State Building, but in those pictures it doesnt look that tall. Its hard to understand? http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii127/aboveday2007/realjdl.jpg Feel the height!:) ZZ-II December 28th, 2007, 04:27 PM only compare the Phase 6 towers with the ICC and you can see the tower is far far above 300m fatshe December 28th, 2007, 04:48 PM 28-12-07 http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20071228_a6ba18d4aa520078d0d1fgCTaK9tM6ZY.jpg http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20071228_a2c06fa2a0216c4e6cd2vCBNbchu79Hr.jpg http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20071228_b61eb799b11a3ed9de67PHWIMbMxvW9b.jpg Zollern December 28th, 2007, 07:36 PM The curious thing about ICC that is that the size and shape of the core is exactly the same as when it started - there have been no core setbacks at all. I've been waiting for a core re-configuration for ages, but it hasn't happened. Generally as a building gets taller the number of lift shafts is reduced, the core gets smaller, and the developer gains extra lettable office space on the premium levels. Inside and outside, this building is massive, but it still doesn't look as tall as it actually is. It's very deceptive. RON-E December 28th, 2007, 08:16 PM what an amazing building, never fails me! TU 'cane December 28th, 2007, 09:54 PM That's going to be a beautiful building. |