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LA DEFENSE : UNIBAIL LANCE UNE TOUR « PHARE » DE 130 000 M²
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Dépêche n° 1298 - Lundi 27 novembre 2006

Le jury de la consultation internationale d’architecture lancée par Unibail, en concertation avec l’EPAD, a désigné le cabinet d’architectes Morphosis (Thom Mayne) lauréat de la consultation pour la conception de la tour « Phare » à La Défense, qui sera livrée en 2012.
Le projet se présente comme une tour monumentale de 300 mètres de haut, offrant près de 130 000 m² de surface utile. Il sera situé entre le Faubourg de l’Arche et le Cnit auquel il est directement relié.
Le montant de l’investissement sera supérieur à 800 M€, a indiqué Guillaume Poitrinal, Pdg d’Unibail.

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Looks nice:)

Amazing design!!!!

quite spectacular. kinda organic.

I wait for more renderings though to make my final judgement ...

:banana:

Awesome design!!! Extremely original! :)

Thom Mayne is a genius!

It's... interesting

Oh my God, what the hell is that? :)

Oh my God, what the hell is that? :)

It's the future, my friend.

:banana: :banana: :banana: :cheers: :cheers: :dj: :dj: :scouserd: :scouserd: :applause: :applause: :cucumber: :cucumber: :cheers1: :cheers1: :rock: :rock: :banana2: :banana2: :cheer: :cheer:


Exelent news!!!!



Finaly

Sorry for my rudeness but "it looks like a beheaded cock without balls". ;)

Well I think I like it. It is organic, which has lacked so much in La Défense and Paris so far.

http://aycu39.webshots.com/image/8318/2005474181100908268_rs.jpg
Another stamp-like fresh render

http://aycu39.webshots.com/image/8318/2005474181100908268_rs.jpg
http://perso.numericable.fr/ydelavau/ykld/signal_01.jpg

Looks like Beetham in London, only without the colour.

Subliving.

^^ I second that, well a bit different though.

LA DEFENSE: UNIBAIL LAUNCHES A 130 000 M² “FLAGSHIP” TOWER
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News N°1298 - Monday 27th November 2006

http://www.businessimmo.info/_img_upload/wbg_lettre/_users_utilisateur_desktop_morphosis.jpg The jury of the international architectural competition launched by Unibail, acting in concert with EPAD, has designated the Morphosis (Thom Mayne) architectural practice as winner of the competition for the design of the "Flagship" tower at La Défense, which will be delivered in 2012.
The project is presented as a monumental 300 metre high tower, offering nearly 130,000 m² of useful area. It will be situated between the Faubourg de l'Arche and the CNIT to which it is directly linked.
The investment will be greater than 800 M€, indicated Guillaume Poitrinal, CEO of Unibail.

OMG. :eek: :okay:
Looks very futuristic, could be a bit thinner though. Will "that thing" eat up everything what's around it? :lol: ;)

Render from Unibail's official render :

http://static.flickr.com/119/307692048_e40f91d4c0_o.jpg
I extracted it from the PDF file..

Um...ok.

^^

AWESOME!! Setting new standards, congrats Paris! :master:

It blows my mind!

What on earth is that.

What on earth is that.

Nothing i think :lol: that's why is surprizing and amazing :banana:

It looks like an "arcology" :)

AWESOME!! Setting new standards, congrats Paris! :master:

It blows my mind!

Yep, "Setting new standards", I think you're right! When most cities come up with their projects of glassy uniform towers (Pelli and co.), Paris comes up with an incredibly fresh organic tower!

I'm sure that we'll see more and more towers with this kind of shape in the future... Perhaps is it still too soon for some forumers?

very nice

^^ But is it 100 % sure this tower will be built? Can't wait to see it in real.

The site as of today (the tower under construction is the 180 m/590 ft T1 Tower):
http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/6609/photo002iy8.jpg

The site in 2012 (they didn't show T1 on that render):
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nice tower! go paris!

ah ma photo lol (je savais pas que tu te promener sur PSS brisavoine ;) )

But is it 100 % sure this tower will be built? Can't wait to see it in real.

Yep it is. The construction will start in 2009

ah ma photo lol (je savais pas que tu te promener sur PSS brisavoine ;) )
Non, photo prise sur Wikipédia francophone. Vérifie bien qu'on ne t'ait pas piraté ta photo si c'est la tienne.

The construction will start in 2009
I think they mean the actual rising of the tower will start in 2009. But preparatory work on such a complex site (one of the largest underground subway stations in the world is located just below!) should start earlier, possibly as early as next year. The tower is due to open in the summer of 2012, just in time for the London olympic games then... ;)

Looks like its been made out of Playdough... but if its green im ok with it..

Amazing design. This is exactly the kind of highrise La Defense needs. So far they have way too many boxes.

Le sofitel va sauter, c'est pas possible autrement ! et peut-être que la tour Morphosis comprendra un hotel 'sofitel' dans les étages supérieurs. Et il y aura un giga toboggan pour aller des chambres directement dans le CNIT :D

Great design and a superb place!!

OMG!!!!!! unbelievable design.

Good design :)
I like it.

This design is not usual in la Defense :master:
and it is not a french architect :lol:

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More than i expect :) so nice design

OMG it's alive!!

absolutly incredible

The tower will be built above a railroad and a street. it seems that the engineering techniques will be very complex.

The lobby will be on the 9th floor. It will be reachable through a huge escalator.

Oh my God, what the hell is that? :)

Exactly what I thought.

Perhaps it's because I had higher expectations on the quality of the building, of the architect and of the height
perhaps it's because this seems like an amalgamation of different London projects
or perhaps it's because I dislike those buttugly "organic" towers that go over the top with idiotic measures.

I can't believe I'll say this but I'm glad that Generali will hide part of this tower, it's better that it isn't seen

great tower, very futuristic!
great news for La Defense
:cheers:

I can't believe I'll say this but I'm glad that Generali will hide part of this tower, it's better that it isn't seen
Well imo I'd prefer this Morphosis tower would conceal low quality Tour Generali ;)

http://dev2.batiactu.com/cap_diapo/images/utils_images/20061127_170148_6.jpg

Render from Unibail's official render :

http://static.flickr.com/119/307692048_e40f91d4c0_o.jpg
I extracted it from the PDF file..

hi
may i know the link to the PDF file? also , who are the other competitors?
thanks

Wow, well it isn't bad. Not too sure yet. I think I prefer my scrapers to be glassier (if thats a word)

And it's only 300m, I recall having bullish people screaming at me saying it was going to be 800m...or is this another La Defense project which has yet to be released?

I believe that in 20 years, everybody will like it!

It's really futuristic. I guess it will be just like the Eiffel tower and the Grande Arche, some people need time to accept and appreciate buildings which are completely ahead of their time... :)

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Can I just say....WTF??? I'm sorry, but how on earth can anyone think that monstrosity looks beautiful??....

I can most deffinitely assure you that Paris WILL be setting new standards with this tower, but the wrong kind of standards, because up untill now Paris has had some pretty decent skyscrapers, so they are in actual fact lowering their standards considerably with this...thing!

I can understand Parisians staunchily sticking up for it and calling it wonderful because it is in their city...but c'mon, take off the rose-tinted glasses for a minute and really have a look at it!! It is a classic example of a 'wanna-be' tower, trying to be iconic, unique and quirky....but it just comes off looking like an absolute mess, and Paris should feel ashamed that someone came up with this design and considered it worthy of the city!!

When you compare it to something like the Shard, or Bishopsgate, or many of the other skyscrapers going up around Europe and the World that really ARE setting new standards in quality, this Tour Signal pales in comparrison...and I really do mean 'pales', as in 'shrinks back into the shadows in pure embarassment'!!

For the sake of Paris's reputation of producing buildings of good quality, I really hope they put this proposal where it belongs: in the scrap pile!!

Tour Signal...yer, appropriate name, cus this is a clear Signal that the architect needs to Tour the wolrd and see what real quality skyscrapers look like!!

At least this tower makes react. For the architect it's a cabinet of California Morphosis which has some achievements all over the world. I cannot be as categorical especially as each face of the tower will be different but for the moment the standard of quality are on the levels of the other skyscrapers!

Looks like a headless chicken. I dont like it really. And its not because its in France... its because its shit. The design is not really inspirational. I mean, you could get more inspiration from an iceberg.

I second what Jack Rabbit Slim says.

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Can I just say....WTF??? I'm sorry, but how on earth can anyone think that monstrosity looks beautiful??....

I can most deffinitely assure you that Paris WILL be setting new standards with this tower, but the wrong kind of standards, because up untill now Paris has had some pretty decent skyscrapers, so they are in actual fact lowering their standards considerably with this...thing!

I can understand Parisians staunchily sticking up for it and calling it wonderful because it is in their city...but c'mon, take off the rose-tinted glasses for a minute and really have a look at it!! It is a classic example of a 'wanna-be' tower, trying to be iconic, unique and quirky....but it just comes off looking like an absolute mess, and Paris should feel ashamed that someone came up with this design and considered it worthy of the city!!

When you compare it to something like the Shard, or Bishopsgate, or many of the other skyscrapers going up around Europe and the World that really ARE setting new standards in quality, this Tour Signal pales in comparrison...and I really do mean 'pales', as in 'shrinks back into the shadows in pure embarassment'!!

For the sake of Paris's reputation of producing buildings of good quality, I really hope they put this proposal where it belongs: in the scrap pile!!

Tour Signal...yer, appropriate name, cus this is a clear Signal that the architect needs to Tour the wolrd and see what real quality skyscrapers look like!!
Your comment is strikingly similar to the comments of those who opposed the Eiffel Tower back 120 years ago, especially your ranting about "embarassment" for France.

This is what people wrote in Le Temps, then the most serious French newspaper, when the first renders of the Eiffel Tower were released in 1887:

"We come [...] to protest in the strongest manner, with all our indignation, in the name of the underrated French taste, in the name of the threatened French art and history, against the construction, in the very heart of our capital city, of the useless and monstruous Eiffel Tower [...]."

"Is the City of Paris going to associate itself with the bizarre and mercantile imagination of a machine builder and ruin irreparably its beauty and bring disgrace on itself? Disgrace, yes, for the Eiffel Tower, which even the mercantile United States would not accept on their soil, is a disgrace to Paris."

"When visitors come to visit [Paris], they will exclaim with disbelief: "What! That's the hideous thing the French have found to give us an idea of their oh-so-praised taste?" They would be right to deride us [...]."

Personally, I can't say that I like it (neither can I say that I dislike it), but what I know is that French people usually have flair for architecture, so I'd say go for it!, and then let's judge it in 20 years or so.

I think it looks cheap, but as there are no realistic renders it´s hard to tell what it´s truly going to look like.

Can I just say....WTF??? I'm sorry, but how on earth can anyone think that monstrosity looks beautiful??....

I can most deffinitely assure you that Paris WILL be setting new standards with this tower, but the wrong kind of standards, because up untill now Paris has had some pretty decent skyscrapers, so they are in actual fact lowering their standards considerably with this...thing!

I can understand Parisians staunchily sticking up for it and calling it wonderful because it is in their city...but c'mon, take off the rose-tinted glasses for a minute and really have a look at it!! It is a classic example of a 'wanna-be' tower, trying to be iconic, unique and quirky....but it just comes off looking like an absolute mess, and Paris should feel ashamed that someone came up with this design and considered it worthy of the city!!

When you compare it to something like the Shard, or Bishopsgate, or many of the other skyscrapers going up around Europe and the World that really ARE setting new standards in quality, this Tour Signal pales in comparrison...and I really do mean 'pales', as in 'shrinks back into the shadows in pure embarassment'!!

For the sake of Paris's reputation of producing buildings of good quality, I really hope they put this proposal where it belongs: in the scrap pile!!

Tour Signal...yer, appropriate name, cus this is a clear Signal that the architect needs to Tour the wolrd and see what real quality skyscrapers look like!!

I was going to keep quiet, because I didn't want to upset the Parisian forumers - but then, why should I hold back my opinions on a piece of architecture?

I'm afraid to say that I completely agree with you, Jack. This tower is a mess. It's trying too hard to be creative, and from a couple of angles it looks ridiculous. The organic, amorphous shape is bewildering and doesn't appeal to the eye; it just ends up looking strange in my opinion. For a tower this size you'd expect something more "rigid", upright and solid-looking. This almost looks like it's going to melt and fall over.

Would the bitter British forumers please go back to their London threads !

Thank you.

I don't think wjfox2002 would find thishttp://dev2.batiactu.com/cap_diapo/images/utils_images/20061127_170148_6.jpg ridiculous if it were anywhere else but in Paris.

Look out, moron, your feeling threatened is showing. :)

From a neutral perspective, too amorphous, would prefer something tall and graceful to echo the eiffel tower across the way...it looks a little ambiguous, as if it's not sure of itself. I was dissapointed because the previous renders hinted at a strong 400m pinnacle for La Defense, and this doesn't look as impressive -- the base looks confused and too cluttered, and i don't like the branches sticking up at the top.

I'm not a fan of boxy buildings at all, but this one just looks too organic for my taste.
However it's proably difficult to judge this buildings by the few average renders we have.

This is a world forum, you racist pigs -- stop telling certain nationalities to leave the discussion, even though i'm not a brit, they have a right to express their opinion.

This would look more at home in Dubai...it doesn't look high quality enough to be in a city like Paris, especially as a focal point.

this is by far the most striking and intreaging project in europe. far more original than a box, a pyramid, an egg or the nowadays so often copied twisted skyscraper. it probably would look better as a solitary, the skyscraper infested la defense isn't the right location (imo).

there is nothing more exciting than organic architecture.

I'm afraid to say that I completely agree with you, Jack. This tower is a mess. It's trying too hard to be creative, and from a couple of angles it looks ridiculous. The organic, amorphous shape is bewildering and doesn't appeal to the eye; it just ends up looking strange in my opinion. For a tower this size you'd expect something more "rigid", upright and solid-looking. This almost looks like it's going to melt and fall over.

:yes:

What I dislike even more than the top is that drag queen top, that's why I wish it could be hidden from the historical axis perspective

Of course, I hate that "organic" architecture that is so trendy right now, so that counts on how I see the tower

Would the bitter British forumers please go back to their London threads !

Thank you.

They are allowed to dislike it, even to hate it. Should French people who dislike the tower leave the thread?
Anyway I'm quite proud of this structure to be built in France. It will obviously become a must-see landmark, as the Eiffel Tower. Even if it looks less casual, smart and straight than other european buildings.
(Would any lambda tourist visit Canary Wharf or Madrid Arena?)

Best project in europe imo, far more original than any other. reactions are not surprising, but i'm pretty sure they'll evolve in the future. I don't even see how some people can compare this to beetham or other london project. This is even more stupid than comparing LBT to transam pyramid :angel:

C'est trés magnifique cet bâtiment par La Defense.

Woderful desing and tall; this building has all the requirements to be a supertall for Paris, know when countries in Europe and Asia are doing big constructions, France is not left behind, wonderful.

Vive la France.

Like an old lufa that is dried out and split -- hideous. Maybe it can be tweaked to make it sleeker. Other than that, I'd agee, it's a mess.

ha so for me, this seems to be an answer to the Bishopsgate tower in London

my god, London and Paris are getting amazing new supertall skyscrapers!

I don't like it and I'm not a Brit.

lol don't be affraid, you can speak your mind ^^

Best project in europe imo, far more original than any other. reactions are not surprising, but i'm pretty sure they'll evolve in the future.

I couldn't agree more! This tower is completely ahead of his time, hence the same reactions people had in 1889 when they saw the Eiffel tower, in 1970 when the Pompidou center went up and in 1989 when they built the Grande Arche! I'm proud to see that Paris is still facing the future rather than trying to have a "nice tower by the 1990 to 2005 standards" (Pelli/Rogers/Foster and co)... :banana:

lol don't be affraid, you can speak your mind ^^

:angel1:

We either love this tower or hate it, which is something good, it doesn't let people indifferent, trully a masterpiece (a bit too fat though)

We either love this tower or hate it, which is something good, it doesn't let people indifferent, trully a masterpiece (a bit too fat though)

I think it's mainly due to the poor quality of the first render... After all, the tower is 300m high for 130.000sqm and the crown is not really high so the tower can't be fat. Egée which is 150m high nearly looks like a low-rise on it...

what is that?!

sorry matey, but Londoners are far from jealous of this rather hideos building are you guys blind, I mean wtf is that?! I thought the fenchurch scheme in Londres was bad. I mean I for one love all Paris buildings but this ruins Paris look

are you guys blind, I mean wtf is that?! I thought the fenchurch scheme in Londres was bad.

Well, you're right, the Fenchurch scheme in London IS bad, just like Beetham and a lot of projects throughout the world...

But this tower is pure genius! You don't like it, but I'm sure your children will love it in 20 or 30 years.

sorry matey, but Londoners are far from jealous of this rather hideos building are you guys blind, I mean wtf is that?! I thought the fenchurch scheme in Londres was bad. I mean I for one love all Paris buildings but this ruins Paris lookWell, I'm not part of the most enthusiasts in this thread, but I do find this reaction very exagerated. At least that tower is well proportionated, which is not the case of Fenchurch. Frankly, I fail to see why so many people in this thread wants to compare this tower with one in London. It's clearly similar to none of London's proposals.

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What I do have a problem with though is the "hair" at the top of the structure..

futuristic ,Beautiful and original tower. I just hate the "hairs" but i wait new renders.

Would the bitter British forumers please go back to their London threads !

Thank you.

1. We REALLY don't have anything to be bitter about lol
2. The whole point of posting a tower, info, renders etc... in the world forum is so EVERYONE can see and comment on it. Just because their opinions aren't the same as yours, doesn't mean you can be cheeky and call people bitter. I see you hav been banned. Rightly so too.

looks like a crystal turd complete with steam lines :nuts:

It does not look like it's 300m tall !? Or do the renders fail to show the actual height?

I'd like to see more comments! Not only comments from French and English forumers...

It does not look like it's 300m tall !? Or do the renders fail to show the actual height?

It clearly look like 300m high on this render:

http://dev2.batiactu.com/cap_diapo/images/utils_images/20061127_170148_6.jpg

It's nearly 3 times the height of the Grande-Arche which is 110m high...

La Défense is by far the largest concentration of towers above 100 meters in Europe. As such, anything in La Défense looks less tall than if it would be located anywhere else in Europe.

Oh my God, what the hell is that? :)

Delusions of grandeur

The crown of the Shard, the bump of Beetham and the base of Bishopsgate.

Well done Paris, you've managed to combine the best of London's proposals into one tower. Unfortunately, the end result isn't that great.

The crown of the Shard, the bump of Beetham and the base of Bishopsgate.

Well done Paris, you've managed to combine the best of London's proposals into one tower. Unfortunately, the end result isn't that great.I really fail to see any logic in that kind of message.

There's no bump in that tower, there's a curb... the whole tower is in curb. That design looks really like no proposal I've seen from London ! I do understand people who reject it because it's too organic, but I really have an issue with people considering this as any kind of plagiarism...

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The crown of the Shard, the bump of Beetham and the base of Bishopsgate.

Well done Paris, you've managed to combine the best of London's proposals into one tower. Unfortunately, the end result isn't that great.


maybe because that 'best of london's proposals' isn't that great either.

I love this tower, Morphosis do great job and i love the way they go. The tower will be a real eco-tower with sel producing energy.

maybe because that 'best of london's proposals' isn't that great either.

Either? So you are now saying this isn't great?

Believe me if Londons best proposals were actually combined the world would'nt know what had hit it. I don't think this bears resembelance to anything in the English capital really, as has been saidit is unique. But being unique doesn't always mean something is great.

Paris used to be my favourite city in the world.

what do i think ? i like it, but then i love organic architecture.

Tour Signal is a 130,000 square metre project designed by Morphis Architects is a flowing organic form that has glass cladding seamlessly placed over the complex lattice-work of cross-bracing that forms the main structure.
The polyp shaped appearance rises almost three hundred metres terminating in the skeletal structure emerging from the top like hairs reaching out to suck some prey into.
Interestingly, it is massed so that when viewed looking towards the neighbouring Grande Arche that it will sit alongside, the broadest point of the lower part of the tower coincides with the roofline of the arch whilst the figure of the building from this angle presents a strong wedge type profile that contradicts the amorphous outline from other directions.
This key location has been chosen because of the considered importance of the project by the developers who want it right next to the most famous show-piece bit of architecture that La Defence currently has.
The bottom of the structure lacks the simplicity of the top part with the tower appearing to stand on two legs. This skirt flairs out in a manner similar to the Bishopsgate Tower in London cleanly exposing the underside of one whilst the other proceeds as a smooth continuation of the form to the podium building.

what do i think ? i like it, but then i love organic architecture.

Tour Signal is a 130,000 square metre project designed by Morphis Architects is a flowing organic form that has glass cladding seamlessly placed over the complex lattice-work of cross-bracing that forms the main structure.
The polyp shaped appearance rises almost three hundred metres terminating in the skeletal structure emerging from the top like hairs reaching out to suck some prey into.
Interestingly, it is massed so that when viewed looking towards the neighbouring Grande Arche that it will sit alongside, the broadest point of the lower part of the tower coincides with the roofline of the arch whilst the figure of the building from this angle presents a strong wedge type profile that contradicts the amorphous outline from other directions.
This key location has been chosen because of the considered importance of the project by the developers who want it right next to the most famous show-piece bit of architecture that La Defence currently has.
The bottom of the structure lacks the simplicity of the top part with the tower appearing to stand on two legs. This skirt flairs out in a manner similar to the Bishopsgate Tower in London cleanly exposing the underside of one whilst the other proceeds as a smooth continuation of the form to the podium building.

At last an interesting comment from someone who actualy had a REAL look at the renders and understood the logic behind the shape before giving his judgement... :applause:

I really fail to see any logic in that kind of message.

That design looks really like no proposal I've seen from London ! I do understand people who reject it because it's too organic, but I really have an issue with people considering this as any kind of plagiarism...


You have to admit, the base is a very similar concept to the Bishopsgate Tower.

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/2839TheBishopsgateTower_pic2.jpg
http://www.willfox.com/images/skyscrapers/bishopsgatetower/base.jpg

http://dev2.batiactu.com/cap_diapo/images/utils_images/20061127_170114_5.jpg

It's not my type, but this glass looks like in Warsaw - Golden Terraces copule ;)

You have to admit, the base is a very similar concept to the Bishopsgate Tower.

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/2839TheBishopsgateTower_pic2.jpg
http://www.willfox.com/images/skyscrapers/bishopsgatetower/base.jpg

http://dev2.batiactu.com/cap_diapo/images/utils_images/20061127_170114_5.jpg


Seriously... Nope...

The tour Signal will have a 40m high sky-lobby on the 9th floor of the tower, accessible with 2 giant escalators...

Bishop is slightly lifting her skirt...

There's a huge difference of scale between them, IMHO...

to be an iconic building at the moment it seems that you have to try and do something special. but then again some of the most simplist scrapers have been the best.

it's very odd but hardly something that in the future will be compared to the likes of the Eiffel tower. Its not that all inspirational as it does have similar features from London buildings but theirs has more eligance to them and look fantastic in the skyline.

This building does not fit in with paris. the Grande-Arch and the arch de triumph and eiffel tower are symetrical in the sight line but this just draws attention to itself and i'm not sure if in a good or bad way, i think more renders are needed to get the full effect this tower has.

well i do write for this site and a few magazines and newspapers ;) also, im an admin.

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/news.php?ref=792

very original.. good news for paris

well ....i think ....this is onee hell of a building from the french .....cmon guyss.......this building is soo unique .......i guess ....londoners are gettin a bit problem from this master piece...but...truly Paris has always given somethin exciting to see,and something different ....like this ....being an ASIAN i have no link to any of the countries,butt ......i dont see london lookin that gr8 ,.....in comparison to paris comin future for skyscrapers.....La defence is a one view skyline...wheras for london`s skyline,start makin a 360degree spin ....naaa.....buttttttttt london`s in the race for sure@@

well i do write for this site and a few magazines and newspapers ;) also, im an admin.

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/news.php?ref=792

The architect firm is not Morphis but Morphosis :)

so it is. lol.

Here is a larger version of the main rendering:

http://grandparis.free.fr/tour-signal.gif

well ....i think ....this is onee hell of a building from the french .....cmon guyss.......this building is soo unique .......i guess ....londoners are gettin a bit problem from this master piece...but...truly Paris has always given somethin exciting to see,and something different ....like this ....being an ASIAN i have no link to any of the countries,butt ......i dont see london lookin that gr8 ,.....in comparison to paris comin future for skyscrapers.....La defence is a one view skyline...wheras for london`s skyline,start makin a 360degree spin ....naaa.....buttttttttt london`s in the race for sure@@
Really articulate.

This tower is absolutely fantastic! Darn those Frenchies they've done it again!

haha!! Paris remains the same...this is a silly answer! La Défense is not even situated in Paris but in the suburbs...people don't usually come to Paris to visit La Défense, will they??

I kinda like that tower although it looks weird...but I was thinking about the old Jean Nouvel's project, "The Endless tower" (1989) which was like a roll.So we had a cube (The Arch), a wave (The Cnit) and a roll (The Signal)...how clever!

What I really like in the two last Paris' project are the environmentalist conception : wind turbines on top, two claddings for cooling the buildings, etc..." Hopefully these two (Morphosis and Generali) will create a basis for the future of "green architecture".

On the other hand, I don't find they really look like "landmarks" though...but future will tell us how people perceive that kind of architecture.

One more thing : Lobby on the 9th floor? Well, it's pretty innovative but street life is supposed to happen on the ground level...and as you may know, when it's higher than the ground level, it's generally meant to be a failure (e.g. Front de Seine in Paris)...maybe I'm wrong since it's one single building which is aimed to be a landmark...

All comments are allowed here, either they are for or against the tower...but with arguments! ;-)

Oh yeah, children of today will like it in 20 years ...

A mix of ...

This
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http://www.spongebobparty.com/images/characters/sponge.gif

This
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http://www.bubblegum.nl/bgtv/gfx/bubblenieuws/barbapapa.jpg

And this also
vvv
http://hng-des3.ifrance.com/shadok/shadock_013.jpg

Well, at least in France, we love those stuffs now, congratz SNCF
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http://i10.ebayimg.com/02/i/07/9c/e8/a1_2.JPG


The small one with hairs will grow and bring the new skyscraper in Paris... ahahah !

http://www.voyages-sncf.com/guide/groupes/img/illustration/promotions/idee_franceSncf.jpg
"See you in 2012"

Its nice. not the best but lovely all the same.

I like the organic design, but I don't know if it will look good in reality. It depends on the type of glass used for the facade. And the columns at the base look so unstable. I hope they are just looking like this

Its alright. The base could use some improvement.

This is a fantastic design and - depending on the execution - may set a new benchmark. I love the crown: rather than one single peak some "hair" flying in the wind: extremely organic, fluid and understated. I absolutely love the huge square in front of it: at least some space to admire this tower. And finally I adore the escalators going into the building - some CDG T1 flash-back (nick-name "vacuum cleaner" instead of signal tower - or would that be too disrespectful for a Paris skyscraper?). It fits in very well with the rest of LD and in fact elevates all of LD to a new level. Congrats Paris! I am lookig forward to seeing it in real.

I don't know what to say about this project :S
It's one of the craziest thibgs I have ever seen...

Hehe, who would of guessed this thread would turn into a Paris V London slanging match, eh? ;)

As for the Tower, there are certain aspects that i like about it, such as the base (which i like a lot) and how the cross bracing and structural supports seem to be visible through the glass.

But overall I'm not too keen on the amorphous blob look, it doesn't soar enough, and certainly doesn't look like its 300m tall. And i actually find the crown to be quite repulsive...it looks like the wispy hair you would see on the chin of a pre-pubescent teenager.

I think it could be a case were the finished structure will end up looking a lot better than the renderings....which, aren't the best quality to be honest, and as such, probably don't do the building justice.

Yer, it is typical that it has It has sorta turned into a Paris/London comparisson thread....and I must point out that it wasn't started by someone from London, it was that random idiot 'bread n butter' back on p3 that commented on 'British forumers', even when a great number of the people who have criticised it haven't been British....if you can't accept (justfied) criticsm, don't come on the forum!!

For me, this isn't about London, it isn't even about Paris, it is simply about looking at a proposed skyscraper design and judging its quality, then, if needs be, comparing it to other examples of better/worse proposals of the same nature.

This business of comparing to to the Eiffel tower is absoluetly riddiculous!! You cannot start comparing every building to the Eiffel tower in an effort to defend the proposal because people don't initially like it. There comes a point where you have to accept that people maybe don't like it because it doesn't look good!! And I notice a lot of people who are sticking up for the tower are saying things like "it will look great in 20/30 years" which I find really funny, as they are clearly admitting they they themselves do't actually like it.

Lol, who knows, yes in 20 or 30...heck, maybe 50 years, it may look like the greatest thing since sliced bread, but right now, at the present time, it just looks like a desperate attempt to be something special. And to those idiots out there who may respond in such a manner, let me get the first word in and say I have no grudge or bitternesss or jealousy to Paris at all. As a two-time visitor and admirer of Paris, and as a fellow European, I have a vested interest in how the city looks, and what is built there, because after all, Paris has standards to maintain. If this had been a proposal in Dubai, I wouldn't have commented on it, because they are just throwing skyscrapers up like so much graffiti, with little or no attension to detail, but with it being in Paris, I am very concerned, especially as it is meant to be a flagship project. I mean, if it was smaller, it would be ok, but the size it is means it will stick out like a sore thumb on a well manicured hand!!

I think, deep down, most Parisians, if they are being brutally honest with themselves, would admitt that this isn't what they might have been hoping for in their new supertall to rival LBT or the Shard...

But hey...if you like it, all power to you, far be it from me to encourage you to take off those rose-tinted glasses!! ;) All I can say is, I am just glad it is not being built near me!!

I will say no more on the subject!!

Yer, it is typical that it has It has sorta turned into a Paris/London comparisson thread....and I must point out that it wasn't started by someone from London, it was that random idiot 'bread n butter' back on p3 that commented on 'British forumers', even when a great number of the people who have criticised it haven't been British....if you can't accept (justfied) criticsm, don't come on the forum!!

For me, this isn't about London, it isn't even about Paris, it is simply about looking at a proposed skyscraper design and judging its quality, then, if needs be, comparing it to other examples of better/worse proposals of the same nature.

This business of comparing to to the Eiffel tower is absoluetly riddiculous!! You cannot start comparing every building to the Eiffel tower in an effort to defend the proposal because people don't initially like it. There comes a point where you have to accept that people maybe don't like it because it doesn't look good!! And I notice a lot of people who are sticking up for the tower are saying things like "it will look great in 20/30 years" which I find really funny, as they are clearly admitting they they themselves do't actually like it.

Lol, who knows, yes in 20 or 30...heck, maybe 50 years, it may look like the greatest thing since sliced bread, but right now, at the present time, it just looks like a desperate attempt to be something special. And to those idiots out there who may respond in such a manner, let me get the first word in and say I have no grudge or bitternesss or jealousy to Paris at all. As a two-time visitor and admirer of Paris, and as a fellow European, I have a vested interest in how the city looks, and what is built there, because after all, Paris has standards to maintain. If this had been a proposal in Dubai, I wouldn't have commented on it, because they are just throwing skyscrapers up like so much graffiti, with little or no attension to detail, but with it being in Paris, I am very concerned, especially as it is meant to be a flagship project. I mean, if it was smaller, it would be ok, but the size it is means it will stick out like a sore thumb on a well manicured hand!!

I think, deep down, most Parisians, if they are being brutally honest with themselves, would admitt that this isn't what they might have been hoping for in their new supertall to rival LBT or the Shard...

But hey...if you like it, all power to you, far be it from me to encourage you to take off those rose-tinted glasses!! ;) All I can say is, I am just glad it is not being built near me!!

I will say no more on the subject!!

I'm with you, Jack. You've conveyed exactly what I'm thinking.

I'm not saying it's ugly. It's just too radicle to be a beauty,..

It's Disgusting! Paris is the most beutiful city in the world, and this gigantic amorphic blob is going just SIT on what USED to be known as beautiful architecture.

Now, i'm not opposed to modern archtiecture, as a metter of fact i love it.. and actually, i'd quite like this building... almost ANYWHERE else... BUT paris! it just doesnt suit the area... i can go for some interesting juxtaposition, like at the Luvre, with Iempei's Pyramid.. but.. THIS... is a monstrosity

This is quite an amazing design, reminds me a little of a sea cucumber.

Are Parisians supportive?

This is quite an amazing design, reminds me a little of a sea cucumber.

Are Parisians supportive?

I don't think that most of Parisians will be.
But they just need time, Thom Mayne isn't a newbie at all, he does know what he's doing. I'm sure it's going to become a real appreciated landmark in the future years.

This project should not be compared with the Eiffel Tower, but with the Pompidou Center. A project which was audacious and bold at its time, people couldn't believe that such a "beautiful" city like Paris could throw this monster in its historical core, Parisians were insulting the architects, insulting the building, making sarcastic or desesperate comments... Now it is a famous landmark and in all the architecture books. I know people that still think it has nothing to do in Paris... Out of the modern buildings in Paris, the Pompidou center is probably the most radical: a factory-like shape, bright colours, transparent stairway on the facade, a total shock when it emerged in the medieval center of Paris, and at the same time it created a nice public square linking different Parisians neighborhood.
This Morphosis tower will play the same role: a whatever-like shape, an outside stairway generating a new kind of public space offering new vista points over la Défense, a total contrast between its organic and animal turgescence and the geometric and rigid architecture of la Défense. And it will create new links between different la Défense areas (Faubourg de l'Arche, CNIT, Grande Arche), whereas now we just have a collection of towers.
In the skyline the tour Signal's effect will probably be very deceptive, uninteresting, or even ugly. No way it can compete with the photogenic lines of the Shard in London for instance, or the visually elegant design of Bishopgate. But from the streetlevel, it will blow all current built/proposed/approved buildings away!!! The experience for the passer-by will be absolutely astonishing, when seeing this glassy monster emerging like a living substance from the ground and the surrounding buildings. The most fascinating and stunning piece of architecture ever: not elegant, not pretty, not sharp like so many "classy" towers growing everywhere, even with high quality (NY, London, Madrid, Chicago, Moscow, etc) but audacious, new, revolutionary: the first time organic architecture is applied to a skyscraper!!!
As a Parisien, I am very very happy this kind or architectural event happens one again in Paris, like the Pompidou Center did.

Scales:

http://static.flickr.com/112/308428624_fca3ac2148_o.jpg

ahhh so its not 300m to roof but 300m to tip. sorry, not a supertall. lol.

ahhh so its not 300m to roof but 300m to tip. sorry, not a supertall. lol.

It's not a supertall, it's a signal http://forum-images.hardware.fr/images/perso/aloy.gif

Great job Morphosis !:banana2: I can't wait !

This project should not be compared with the Eiffel Tower, but with the Pompidou Center. A project which was audacious and bold at its time, people couldn't believe that such a "beautiful" city like Paris could throw this monster in its historical core, Parisians were insulting the architects, insulting the building, making sarcastic or desesperate comments... Now it is a famous landmark and in all the architecture books. I know people that still think it has nothing to do in Paris... Out of the modern buildings in Paris, the Pompidou center is probably the most radical: a factory-like shape, bright colours, transparent stairway on the facade, a total shock when it emerged in the medieval center of Paris, and at the same time it created a nice public square linking different Parisians neighborhood.
This Morphosis tower will play the same role: a whatever-like shape, an outside stairway generating a new kind of public space offering new vista points over la Défense, a total contrast between its organic and animal turgescence and the geometric and rigid architecture of la Défense. And it will create new links between different la Défense areas (Faubourg de l'Arche, CNIT, Grande Arche), whereas now we just have a collection of towers.
In the skyline the tour Signal's effect will probably be very deceptive, uninteresting, or even ugly. No way it can compete with the photogenic lines of the Shard in London for instance, or the visually elegant design of Bishopgate. But from the streetlevel, it will blow all current built/proposed/approved buildings away!!! The experience for the passer-by will be absolutely astonishing, when seeing this glassy monster emerging like a living substance from the ground and the surrounding buildings. The most fascinating and stunning piece of architecture ever: not elegant, not pretty, not sharp like so many "classy" towers growing everywhere, even with high quality (NY, London, Madrid, Chicago, Moscow, etc) but audacious, new, revolutionary: the first time organic architecture is applied to a skyscraper!!!
As a Parisien, I am very very happy this kind or architectural event happens one again in Paris, like the Pompidou Center did.


Very true - I think this building will elevate all of its suroundings because LD has too often been an area of mediocracy. This together with la Grande Arche and the Generali tower will make LD very unique. The first renderings are obvioulsy not very detailed and I am looking forward to see more details on the cladding. I think the entrance of this building with the escalators and the square will be just impressive.

ahhh so its not 300m to roof but 300m to tip. sorry, not a supertall. lol.

no wonder this turned out to be a london vs paris thread - it isn't the first time (look at all the paris development threads) - it is as symptomatic that pretty much every british comment is a negative one as it is remarkable that the vast majority of the brits think that their projects are the best in the world and that the rest sucks. it has always been london vs paris/frankfurt/moscow/istanbul/whatever - the reasons for that have already been discussed on skyscrapercity countless times.

you just need to read comments in the british forum - most people really dislike (hate) paris - especially now with all the new projects, because it turns out that london won't have a better skyscraper skyline.

of course, everybody is entitled to express their opinion, but it is really remarkable that the british comments are generally negative - I don't understand why the british members of this forum feel as victims here - it's is so obvious.

it seems there is symbiosis between the worship of the projects in its own country and the dislike of projects in other countries. happens all the time and not only in britain. but the british example is the most obvious one. if it wasn't so tragic it would be worth a laugh.




god, Im looking forward to this project :cheers:

At the moment I'm not too mad about this one but it does have the potential to be groundbreaking and one of those that are hated at first then loved later on :)

no wonder this turned out to be a london vs paris thread - it isn't the first time (look at all the paris development threads) - it is as symptomatic that pretty much every british comment is a negative one as it is remarkable that the vast majority of the brits think that their projects are the best in the world and that the rest sucks. it has always been london vs paris/frankfurt/moscow/istanbul/whatever - the reasons for that have already been discussed on skyscrapercity countless times.

you just need to read comments in the british forum - most people really dislike (hate) paris - especially now with all the new projects, because it turns out that london won't have a better skyscraper skyline.

of course, everybody is entitled to express their opinion, but it is really remarkable that the british comments are generally negative - I don't understand why the british members of this forum feel as victims here - it's is so obvious.

it seems there is symbiosis between the worship of the projects in its own country and the dislike of projects in other countries. happens all the time and not only in britain. but the british example is the most obvious one. if it wasn't so tragic it would be worth a laugh.




god, Im looking forward to this project :cheers:



^^ With this post, you'll probably create a new wave of stupid comments... Thank you...

^^ With this post, you'll probably create a new wave of stupid comments... Thank you...So what ? We shouldn't be hostages of London freaks. This affair has already killed the French forum. Sometimes things have to be said.

English forumers are just jealous, they are realizing that in 10 years the London skyline will not be better than the paris skyline. :lol:

http://jt.france2.fr/13h/
look at 36'20 :)

ahhh so its not 300m to roof but 300m to tip. sorry, not a supertall. lol.
Nobody knows really. There is no information about the exact height, which is typical in France. 300 meters is just an approximate number. It could end up being 320 meters, or 280 meters, nobody knows (let's recall that in France the tour Montparnasse is most often presented as a 200 meters tower, when it's actual height is in fact 210 meters). It could also be roof height, or height measured at the top of the "hair", nobody knows. Cyril assumes it is exactly 300 meters measured at the top of the "hair", that's just his personal opinion, nothing official. It will probably take several weeks or months before we know the exact height and how it's measured.

I'd like to see more comments! Not only comments from French and English forumers...

i like it....i love organic structures like that...hope to see something similar in bcn someday..congratulations for this fantastic tower:cheers:

Nobody knows really. There is no information about the exact height, which is typical in France. 300 meters is just an approximate number. It could end up being 320 meters, or 280 meters, nobody knows (let's recall that in France the tour Montparnasse is most often presented as a 200 meters tower, when it's actual height is in fact 210 meters). It could also be roof height, or height measured at the top of the "hair", nobody knows. Cyril assumes it is exactly 300 meters measured at the top of the "hair", that's just his personal opinion, nothing official. It will probably take several weeks or months before we know the exact height and how it's measured.

Well, the render is not Cyril's work, but one found in the paper "Le Parisien"...

at least this project is interesting...i see it as a new "georges Pompidou Center".....hopefully

Pretty... me like :)

go Paris :D

Well, the render is not Cyril's work, but one found in the paper "Le Parisien"...

Yes but we don't know the real height.

This project should not be compared with the Eiffel Tower, but with the Pompidou Center. A project which was audacious and bold at its time, people couldn't believe that such a "beautiful" city like Paris could throw this monster in its historical core, Parisians were insulting the architects, insulting the building, making sarcastic or desesperate comments... Now it is a famous landmark and in all the architecture books. I know people that still think it has nothing to do in Paris... Out of the modern buildings in Paris, the Pompidou center is probably the most radical: a factory-like shape, bright colours, transparent stairway on the facade, a total shock when it emerged in the medieval center of Paris, and at the same time it created a nice public square linking different Parisians neighborhood.
This Morphosis tower will play the same role: a whatever-like shape, an outside stairway generating a new kind of public space offering new vista points over la Défense, a total contrast between its organic and animal turgescence and the geometric and rigid architecture of la Défense. And it will create new links between different la Défense areas (Faubourg de l'Arche, CNIT, Grande Arche), whereas now we just have a collection of towers.
In the skyline the tour Signal's effect will probably be very deceptive, uninteresting, or even ugly. No way it can compete with the photogenic lines of the Shard in London for instance, or the visually elegant design of Bishopgate. But from the streetlevel, it will blow all current built/proposed/approved buildings away!!! The experience for the passer-by will be absolutely astonishing, when seeing this glassy monster emerging like a living substance from the ground and the surrounding buildings. The most fascinating and stunning piece of architecture ever: not elegant, not pretty, not sharp like so many "classy" towers growing everywhere, even with high quality (NY, London, Madrid, Chicago, Moscow, etc) but audacious, new, revolutionary: the first time organic architecture is applied to a skyscraper!!!
As a Parisien, I am very very happy this kind or architectural event happens one again in Paris, like the Pompidou Center did.

Very good point indeed !

great design, very futuristic

As for now, this is how this extremely original structure is appreciated:
- Most French forumers like it
- 6 British forumers like it and 12 hate it
- 18 non British or French forumers like it and 5 hate it

Well, the render is not Cyril's work, but one found in the paper "Le Parisien"...
Ok, but Le Parisien doesn't know the real height, same as Cyril doesn't know, same as I don't know. Maybe we'll have to wait for the building permit issued by the local prefecture to know the exact height. Anyone knows when this building permit (permis de construire) will be issued?

As for now, this is how this extremely original structure is appreciated:
- Most French forumers like it
- 6 British forumers like it and 12 hate it
- 18 non British or French forumers like it and 5 hate it

Those british... :ohno:

Just kidding :lol:

The design is very interesting and really a one of a kind. I think people have to see it for themselves before passing judgement.

Beautiful tower for a top city ;)

Ahh...i'm portuguese ;)

brilliant!!. go Paris! ;)

I don't know why there must be always these stupid competitions between cities in these forums? And I don't know why it shouldn't fit to Paris? This building will be located in La Defense, a suburb not known for classic parisien architecture and actually far away from the classic city centre, which draws millions of tourists to the city. Actually I think from most streets apart of the Champs Elysee you wouldn't see this building.

As for now, this is how this extremely original structure is appreciated:
- Most French forumers like it
- 6 British forumers like it and 12 hate it
- 18 non British or French forumers like it and 5 hate it
Make that 7 Brits.
An inspiring design - and a perfect antidote (not that one is necessary) for those ill-informed creatures who say "Paris is a museum".

Make that 7 Brits.
An inspiring design - and a perfect antidote (not that one is necessary) for those ill-informed creatures who say "Paris is a museum".

:cheers:

Here is an extra-large version of the main rendering. I only post the URL because the image is huge !
http://www.ladefense.fr/forum/epadago/projetmorphosis.jpg (1366x3000 pixels)


And here is another version of the rendering from the bottom. I can post this one fully as it's not so big:

http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/8733/morphosisbis1024x768ef3.jpg

Why do you assume that every Brit who dislikes this tower automatically hates Paris as well?

I don't like this tower, but I happen to love Paris.

Why do you assume that every Brit who dislikes this tower automatically hates Paris as well?

I don't like this tower, but I happen to love Paris.
Do you mean me? :)
I do not assume anything - simply noting how often the Paris/museum comment (yawn) pops up from folks this side of La Manche, when proposals like this point to something quite different.

Why do you assume that every Brit who dislikes this tower automatically hates Paris as well?

I don't like this tower, but I happen to love Paris.

Why do you assume that I assume that every Brit who dislikes this tower automatically hates Paris as well? :)

I don't like this tower, but I happen to love Paris.

Me too (well, I don't think the tower is that bad. I definately wouldn't say I hate it. I just don't think it's that great. It will certainly give a better pinnacle to La Defense than Generali will though)

I love Paris, I have been twice and I'm only 16. I hope to go again many times in the future. It's the biggest city I have ever been to, 2nd probably being Rome or Dusseldorf

I do not like it at all or maybe is it the rendering. At this stage I believe Paris will be much better with a new design - what about the other proposals?
It would be worthwhile to compare them all.

:) Why would a bit of rivalry between London and Paris hurt anyway? It tends to bring the best out of both cities. Remember if it wasn't for Napoleon's III visit to London where he admired the parks and neo-classical architecture, he may never have embarked on his Paris modernisation plan. And if it wasn't for Wren studying "modern" architecture and construction techniques in Paris, London may never have had St Pauls. As long as people are happy to take constructive criticism in a positive way, it should contribute to these forums.

I think it's difficult to form an impression of the suitability for structures such as these unless one is a resident. I have heard similar remarks about 122 Leadenhall from non-Londoners, whereas I don't think I have heard one London voice raised against it. Similarly for this tower - the French seem to like it, so maybe there is a cultural and societal resonance that Brits don't necessarily see.

I can count 62 floors from the lobby, which is said to be on the 9th floor, so 71 floors.

do you know the other proposals Cyril. There was a contest isn't it?

Very interesting! And also beautiful. Right now I think it is a bit more interesting than it is beautiful. But certainly also beautiful! The escalators are also a good idea. And the tower will look great together with the Generali!!

On the negative, I think it is a little bit too fat (but that could be the renderings) and I haven't yet come to terms with the 'hair'. What is it for? Does anyone like - or understand - the 'hair'?

Also I want to say, that the rivalry between London and Paris rivalry is a good thing for all of Europe. Maybe sometimes somebody makes a stupid comment in the wrong place. But this is just a symptom of the healthy competition between the two greatest cities in (Western) Europe. I hope that competition continues forever! I love Paris and I love London, and I hope both keep evolving at a fast pace.

The other contestants' projects have not been unveiled so far.

this building scares me, is it alive?

Impressive!!! I like it!!! :cheers:

I've created renderings showing the "tour signal" in the skyline of Paris. You can see them in the Paris - Full Summary of Projects thread:
http://skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=332767&page=25

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/oc/thumb/4/4c/LD2012_3.png/950px-LD2012_3.png



:drool:

LD 2012 as seen from the Eiffel tower...

Could you add T1, New AXA and Granite to have the complete skyline (even if we know that more towers will be annouced soon)

No less than 15 towers (well even if most of them are really short now) will be demolished and rebuilt (sometimes 40% taller or more).

Could you add T1, New AXA and Granite to have the complete skyline (even if we know that more towers will be annouced soon)
It's very hard because I don't have renders showing new AXA, T1, and Granite from this particular angle. In any case, all of them are placed on the view from Notre Dame which you haven't quoted here.

boring skyline low quality buildings

ici le lien (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_ozuwAkoKg) vers la capture vidéo du jt de france3 ile-de-france pour ceux qui n'ont pas pu la voir en débit suffisant, j'ai pas réussi ?* la compresser énormément elle fait 25mo

et ici les images
http://x5.freeshare.us/126fs153593.jpg

la dalle carpeaux vue depuis les twins égée et adria
http://x5.freeshare.us/126fs152394.jpg

...une caresse... coté cnit
http://x5.freeshare.us/126fs152425.jpg

face nord, celle qu'on ne voyait pas sur les rendus, voyez le maillage sur la droite qui forme comme une toile d'araignée (c'est le repère de spiderman!), et tous ces petits décrochages ou incursions rectangulaires,
http://x5.freeshare.us/126fs152522.jpg

le sommet coté nord
http://x5.freeshare.us/126fs152615.jpg

connexion cnit-batiment trapezoidal-tour phare
http://x5.freeshare.us/126fs152739.jpg

les niveaux
http://x5.freeshare.us/126fs152879.jpg

http://x5.freeshare.us/126fs153648.jpg

http://x5.freeshare.us/126fs153738.jpg

No less than 15 towers (well even most of them are really short now) will be demolished and rebuilt (sometimes 40% taller or more).

Eh????

Sanchez, I have just sent you a Private Message >(

Nice render about the Tour Signal, the entrace is very modern and is like a piece of art.

Can we petition to change the tower?
At least hide the top? Cover it up? Add the extra 30 meters?
Anything but this mess
http://dev2.batiactu.com/cap_diapo/images/utils_images/20061127_170008_2.jpg
It's like a fat guy sitting, with a bad haircut. At least if they put a dome on it, they could make him bald and proud, instead of trying to cover it up like Trump

Now look at this cheap attempts, way better
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/1055/126fs153738sn5.jpg

The top does indeed disturb me.

@Sanchez: The building is evaluated at 800 million €. If that's cheap to you... :nuts:

@3tmk: No, your version isn't possible for the simple reason that there are wind turbines at the top of the structure. We can see them well on the rendering you've posted. The top remains my own real problem with the building though.

^^that's why we get rid of those wind turbines and put them in the middle of the Grande Arche :D

Well, here's an idea that just popped in my head in 5 minutes... what do you think of it ?

Well of course, it's quickly made, but it's late and I want to sleep! ;)

http://grandparis.free.fr/essai.jpg

it's better, but if we had to leave the space open, I would have prefered some serious onimous gothic spikes, something sharp, big, like claws, a la 2IFC, but basically broader than this wussy tower

No less than 15 towers (well even most of them are really short now) will be demolished and rebuilt (sometimes 40% taller or more).
Eh????
If you re-read post #264 in the Paris - Full Summary of Projects thread, you'll understand what he means. In a nutshell, 17 towers/buildings will be demolished and rebuilt. 8 or 9 will be demolished before 2013, and the remaining 8 or 9 will be demolished between 2013-2020. The Iris Building, which will be demolished and replaced by the Generali Tower, is the first of these 17 towers/buildings to go.

Large size renders on La Défense Authority's website:

http://www.ladefense.fr/forum/epadago/projetmorphosis.jpg

http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/8733/morphosisbis1024x768ef3.jpg

Image captured from France3 evening news. This is how the "tour signal" will look from the southwest. Shocking isn't it? Don't worry though, nobody ever looks at La Défense from the southwest. You'd have to be standing in Nanterre town center to have this view. In the middle ground to the right you can see the back of the Grande Arche.

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/6582/ld20124jh5.jpg

interesting

This tower looks like a christmas ornament gone wrong, or a tower thats just had the top bitten off by godzilla. Not the type of image we should be perpetuating in such an iconic and tall building. Sorry guys, it's beyond foul. I don't like it at all and I think it looks unfinished and deconstructed. Certainly not something I would expect for Paris. It's just to quirky and not very fashionable. I don't know how anyone could call it beautiful, it's thickset, quite fat and just a big unusual chunk. I'd call it cute maybe which means interesting but ugly. I can't believe some of you like it. It will ruin the Paris skyline.

It's one of the most grotesque designs of recent times IMO.

Honestly that tower is so weird, and this is even weirder... the top doesn't look similar at all, and where is that smaller structure on the bottom, it seems to be hidden

This is quite an amazing design, reminds me a little of a sea cucumber.

Are Parisians supportive?
I don't know if they are supportive, but they are certainly paying attention. According to one forumer on the French forum, on Tuesday morning at St-Lazare train station (the Paris equivalent of Victoria train station in London or Shinjuku train station in Tokyo) "hundreds of people were riveted" (says he) to the article presenting the tower in "20 minutes", the free commuter newspaper.

On Tuesday night all the major French TV stations talked about the tower in their evening news. The very serious Le Monde newspaper published a full page about the tower on Monday evening.

The world is also paying attention it seems. Media from Australia to England to America are talking about the tower:
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,20837907-663,00.html
http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/paris-plans-rival-to-eiffel/2006/11/28/1164476204854.html
http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article2021223.ece
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6191132.stm
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1103AP_France_New_Skyscraper.html
http://www.forbes.com/business/manufact … 10036.html
Among others...

(before anything sorry for my english:) )

i simply like it:lovethem: , the basement, the top, all parts of this tower are
simply unique and so differents that what have been made before in la défense, if that isn't a signal, what is it?

- the basement is enormous, it will be built above 2 levels of roads, above one level of train line, and above a pedestrian area, it will look like a giant bridge

-the tower is compare to a pregnant woman, that's not me saying this, it's the boss of unibail... well why not, one century after the "iron lady", nickname of eiffel tower, we will have the "pregnant lady" in paris... because here in france it's not big dicks that inspire architects, but it's the natural beauty of women :lol: ( of course it's a joke :lol:), but it's a real source of inspiration in our history, so why changing this:)

-the hairy roof that choked many people is (imo) one of the most important part of the signal, it's like a tree that will indefinitely grow up to touch the sky, a signal of the rebirth of la défense, that will never stop to grow, not like in the past, to the max 185 meters tall, but now and in the future an appeal to go higher,...

to finish i find it's a good and a great signal :banana2: and i'm proud that it take place in my country, in my continent, and finally on our earth! :)

shit! thats architectural masterpiece :eek:

Not bad, not bad at all. Well done Paris. :)

This thread's already got a lot of info about this building, but I thought I'd add this as well.

From the Austin American-Statesman
http://www.statesman.com/business/content/business/stories/other/11/29/29bizbriefs.html

BUSINESS DIGEST
U.S. architect's design is picked for Paris building.

Wednesday, November 29, 2006

PARIS — U.S. architect's design picked for Paris building

Developers selected a design by an award-winning American architect for a bold new building powered partly by the wind.

Dubbed the Lighthouse, the 984-foot-high skyscraper will be designed by Pritzker Prize winner Thom Mayne and erected at La Defense, a complex of office towers in a business district west of Paris where many of France's major corporations are headquartered.

The building is set for completion in 2012.

Rendering:
http://img.coxnewsweb.com/B/09/69/28/image_4928699.jpg
UNIBAIL-MORPHOSIS
Thom Mayne's design for a 984-foot-high skyscraper will rise over Paris when it is competed in 2012.

I don't like the use of "lighthouse" because it's not the right translation of "Phare".
In "Tour Phare", it's an adjective, which should be translated "Key Tower".

I think that Thom Mayne purposedly made a structural parallel with the Eiffel Tower. Those steel feet are quite reminiscent of the Grande Dame's feet, aren't they?

gawd, what a building :drool:

certainly europe's most ambitious skyscraper project - I just love it.

These posts prove my point wrong. People either seem to hate it or love it, a clear sign of a groundbreaking piece of architecture in the making :yes:

I don't understand why people don't like the top, I think it is a fantastic feature. Firstly, it makes the tower look as "perpetually rising, perpetually under construction, reaching for the sky". Secondly, it is something completely innovative compared to any other skyscraper peak, and it remains elegant. Thirdly, wind turbines are not necessarily beautiful or interesting (now that you see them everywhere), so them being hidden (or at least the attention being drawn away from them) by this steel construction is good. Fourthly, it looks a little like a modern interpretation of the ornamental tops of so many catherdral towers.

If I had to rate the differnt parts I would say, the base 10/10 (just unrivalled), the top 8/10 and the middle section 5/10. Why such a low note for the middle section? Firstly because I think these renderings may be a bit misleading. I doubt the cladding will be sufficiently transparent to allow you to see the frame behind it. Secondly, it seems a little akward from certain angles. Thirdly, there are still parts I am not sure about, like this spike on the left elevation (what is this by the way?)

But all in all it looks like a fantastic tower. Now what will be the nickname? It has got to have a name a little more playful than Tour Signal (makes me think of toothpaste) or Tour Phare (too bourgeois). Why not "l'apirateur"? It seems suck up people, no?:)

Anyway, this tower shows that some Europen cities, Paris and London at the front, have decided not to go the direction of many cities in Asia, the Middle East or even closer to home, Moscow, where all that seems to matter is height. I believe that this new development may erase the Tour Montparnasse stigma in Paris and France, as the Gherkin did for London.

Finally, when constructed, this tower will send a powerful message to the world in that in will contradict the perception of Paris as the "sleeping beauty" or the big "open air museum". I believe the building has all the ingredients of being truely iconic and can be a powerful symbol for the 21st century Paris.:)

other proposals will be published during an exhibit organised from 15/01 to 04/02 in la Cité de l'Architecture (Trocadéro), a new museum for now in progress, entirely opened in march 2007.

gawd, what a building :drool:

certainly europe's most ambitious skyscraper project - I just love it.

I think you should take a look at Moscow and maybe you will change your mind. This is certainly not the most ambitious ... It's only of average height and size. I still think the design is revolting regardless of the semantics sprouted in its defence, it appears much like damaged goods and to me the design lacks cohesion.

I think you should take a look at Moscow and maybe you will change your mind. This is certainly not the most ambitious ... It's only of average height and size. I still think the design is revolting regardless of the semantics sprouted in its defence, it appears much like damaged goods and to me the design lacks cohesion.I'm sorry Avatar. I fully understand that you hate the design, but that building is far more ambitious than anything which is under construction in Moscow.

The only building which could be compared to that one is the Russia Tower, which is twice taller, but its design is a lot less innovative. You may reject it, but not considering it as ambitious is a bit of bad faith.

Sorry I class Russia Tower as far more ambitious ... it's not really a show of bad faith either. Each to their own. I just don't see the merits of this tower.

Mangled blue turd ... comes to mind.

I don't like the use of "lighthouse" because it's not the right translation of "Phare".
In "Tour Phare", it's an adjective, which should be translated "Key Tower".

Yeah, "Phare" here isn't a "lighthouse" but "something that is easily remarquable and take the lead". I assume the newspaper either could not translate it in a single word or that the translator simply sucked with French.

I really dislike the top of the building!

HIDEOUS!

Anyway, this tower shows that some Europen cities, Paris and London at the front, have decided not to go the direction of many cities in Asia, the Middle East or even closer to home, Moscow, where all that seems to matter is height. I believe that this new development may erase the Tour Montparnasse stigma in Paris and France, as the Gherkin did for London.

Here's the deal, I have always liked the TM, and to be honest, I would rather have a second giant 300m version of the TM than this. Anyplace Anytime
If they wanted a green tower, why did they not build a copy of the BoA tower here in NYC? It's crystallized, that's how every tower should be, not look like some dough being melted.
This is the one tower that needs to be destroyed before it damages the world.
And here's why it doesn't compare with the Eiffel Tower. The tour Eiffel is mostly known for its height, location, and structure.
300 meters in the 19th century, honestly, of course that forces respect. The location, it's around 6 storied buildings, so you can see it everywhere. The structure, the pyramidal shape is always a winner, and in this case it was curved enough to appear part of the skyline.
In this case, it's none at all. That tower may barely touch the 300m limit with its pubic hair. Then the location is in the middle of other towers, so it won't look as majestic as they wish it could, and honestly, it's better that it's in a cluster to try to hide it as much as possible. And last but not least, the structure is hideous, organic heavily curved towers are just a fad that will just die out in a few years but Paris will be stuck with this piece of crap forever.

And don't get me wrong, I love the industrial feel of Beaubourg and it's one of my favorite structures in Paris, but again, it doesn't compare with this morphosis.

The problem is, Parisians have never seen what a real skyscraper should be like, and they'll look at this and like idiots they'll think it's the best thing since sliced butter.
And I can't believe that 3 days after its announcement this tower makes me this mad, I don't think I could ever accept it.

:bow::bow::bow::bow::bow:

I'm sure the more artistic of you can do a better job but this is my reaction to this design: :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v496/Fatmonkey/ParisOldMan.jpg

Ugly, very modern and futuristic and probably cool but ugly.

It's fantastic.

2 days after it was presented on this thread, this is how this scraper is appreciated:
- Most French forumers like it
- 9 British forumers like it and 16 hate it
- 29 non British or French forumers like it and 8 hate it

On SSP the majority of people hate it -

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=120901

They have good taste over on that forum. :)

I am from london and I LOVE it. It is one of the most stunning modern structures I have seen. Good for you Paris. And why do you love to mock a fellow european city, you londoners. If you want to mock something try the USA with it's constrant trail of comercial crap from it's music, politics religous nuts and buildings.

On SSP the majority of people hate it -

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=120901

They have good taste over on that forum. :)

Do you mean that I should put the americans apart from the non-British non-French too?

OMY, what the heck is that?I'm fucking loving it! its not architecture, its installation art!

There are ALOT of haters on there!

I'm undecided. The bottom of the tower is superb and appears to be one of the best on any skyscraper but at times I think it looks awkward and the stuff on the top is a bit messy. I don't think it's hugely attractive and it looks far less the pinnacle than the Generali tower. That said, it's very original and certainly a step in the right direction for La Defense which needs some inventive, new architecture. A step towards the City of London cluster-style skyscraper design and away from the American skyscraper format of Canary Wharf. Good to see that a truly great historic city is architectually adapting.

Do you mean that I should put the americans apart from the non-British non-French too?

No, just make a category "anglo-saxons":) . Read that thread, and you will realize the British forumers are actually rather kind when it comes to the Tour Signal.

But don't worry, many non-French like the design. I really believe it will grow on people. I think it is a powerful icon for Paris facing the 21st century. And at least it does not leave people indifferent, either you love it or you hate it.

By the way, nobody has yet been able to give me any insight on what that spike is in the middle of the tower on the left elevation. Do you know?

I do not like it. The design is just poor an unaesthetic. With Generali, Paris has proposed the two worst new skyscrapers I've seen recently. Therefore I would like to know what the other proposals are.

PS: I am not a Brit.

A step towards the City of London cluster-style skyscraper design and away from the American skyscraper format of Canary Wharf.
I know you were talking about style, but still, La D?fense has 11 towers above 150 meters, whereas the City of London has only 2 (Swiss Re and Natwest). Let's keep a sense of proportion here.

I do not like it. The design is just poor an unaesthetic. With Generali, Paris has proposed the two worst new skyscrapers I've seen recently. Therefore I would like to know what the other proposals are.

PS: I am not a Brit.

Actually, I was hesitating so I didn't count you among the British nor the non-British... In fact, I didn't took your appreciation into account, Jef. :)

I know you were talking about style, but still, La D?fense has 11 towers above 150 meters, whereas the City of London has only 2 (Swiss Re and Natwest). Let's keep a sense of proportion here.

BenL was not talking about who has the most or the biggest, he was talking about the style. And I agree with him that the Tour Signal sets on uniqueness and originality, as for instance the Gherkin, rather than on the American square box model. The problem of skyscrapers in Paris and particularly LD until recently has been that none of them were really outstanding. No surprise maybe with the competition of the Eiffel Tower, but the current recladding of some of the towers and an iconic Tour Signal will completely modify LD.

I didn't count you among the British nor the non-British

I am something hybrid indeed as I am fluent in English, French, Flemish/Dutch, and German in addition to some local dialects. But who cares about our ethnic group ? :). Re. Signal, I would have preferred something derived from e.g. Granite or T1.

I don't have a problem with the top. It is different than other tops.

Shots of the tower from TF1 evening news yesterday:

http://www.enregistrersous.com/images/ef2bf347f7cd892b90e2ff117c9332d2.gif

BenL was not talking about who has the most or the biggest, he was talking about the style. And I agree with him that the Tour Signal sets on uniqueness and originality, as for instance the Gherkin, rather than on the American square box model. The problem of skyscrapers in Paris and particularly LD until recently has been that none of them were really outstanding. No surprise maybe with the competition of the Eiffel Tower, but the current recladding of some of the towers and an iconic Tour Signal will completely modify LD.That's only partly true. Here are a few pictures of current skyscrapers in LD. Many people believe so because they type "Paris" in the search engine of Skyscraperpage diagram, but LD isn't located in the city of Paris, hence you can't find Paris skyscrapers this way. Here is the actual SSP diagram from Paris including LD :

Paris IDF - Skyscraperpage diagram (http://www.skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?24016337)




Societe Generale Twins - 167 m

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/7767/dsc00800ts4.jpg



CBX Tower - 142 m

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/02/Esplanade-de-la-defense.jpg/1000px-Esplanade-de-la-defense.jpg



Total Tower - 187 m

http://stickyesman.free.fr/ladefensephotos/ElfTotal_2005042502.jpg



EDF Tower - 165 m

http://stickyesman.free.fr/ladefensephotos/ldedfsoir.jpg

Actually, I was hesitating so I didn't count you among the British nor the non-British... In fact, I didn't took your appreciation into account, Jef. :)

I find it very interesting in it's uniqueness and ugliness. So, am I among supporters?

Shots of the tower from TF1 evening news yesterday:



Bouygues won the contract?

Shots of the tower from TF1 evening news yesterday:

http://www.enregistrersous.com/images/ef2bf347f7cd892b90e2ff117c9332d2.gif

Well there is at least one good point in all of this... the publicity.
Rarely have I seen so many high quality renders come out at once, even for the freedom tower I don't think they had so many renders from so many different angles

rien... :(

I find it very interesting in it's uniqueness and ugliness. So, am I among supporters?

You're among those saying something a bit more interesting than "It's beautiful" or "It's ugly"...

PS: Why did you remove "Very childish."?

No franco French feud allowed here guys please! ;)

That's only partly true. Here are a few pictures of current skyscrapers in LD. Many people believe so because they type "Paris" in the search engine of Skyscraperpage diagram, but LD isn't located in the city of Paris,


hmmm...you seem to assume that people here know the type of towers that the Paris area boast only by doing a search on skyscraperpage diagram...

either you're naive or you're very very uninformed...

i think most people here know well about skyscrapers ans are very educated on this topic...just by the numbers of threads about la defense on SSC with photos etc, make it very easy to know about what La defense towers look like...

Me , as an exemple, i never visited the diagram section of any city....that's not the way i find out about cities...

methink you take things too seriously Metropolitan...just relax,

methink you take things too seriously Metropolitan...just relax,Yeah you're probably right. Especially that La Defense has a good amount of boxy buildings too, especially among older ones.

Unique and cool.

I wouldn't say it's beautiful, but surely it is fascinating... Count me as a supporter :)

(I'm not British :D)

You're among those saying something a bit more interesting than "It's beautiful" or "It's ugly"...

PS: Why did you remove "Very childish."?

Because I think it is, but it is not worth mentioning.

I'm trying to formalize my opinion on this project. It is quite difficult, the most difficult case since Swiss Re as far as I'm concerned.

i can't make up my mind...its so different etc but then its so ugly, i think to me it's like marmite, sometimes i either love it or on another day i hate it... which is wiered because normally people are either one and not the other! like in this case.

I do know that i would not want it in london. (can anyone see it fitting in the city?) and i have said this before but i think this type of architecture does not fit in with Paris so i'm going to say 'no,' i'm not a fan of this one

ps i am british

I'm Polish. And my vote is a clearly a NO. Tour EDF and Tours Societe Generale deserve a better neighbour

Do not say "ugly" or "beautiful", it does not mean anything, it's so relative. Ugly or beautiful, two words representative of a personnal taste. Anybody can discuss it and it does not matter.

Speak about meanings, senses, roles of this architecture and then you could appreciate it or not. This can't be judge only with a simple look on a rendering.

This "non-tower" (as I want to define it) is much more significant as any other projects in Europe. It is not a tower hosting only offices but meanings. It has a role, we present it as a model, as a monument, as something we never did before. Try to understand first.

Do not say "ugly" or "beautiful", it does not mean anything, it's so relative. Ugly or beautiful, two words representative of a personnal taste. Anybody can discuss it and it does not matter.

Speak about meanings, senses, roles of this architecture and then you could appreciate it or not. This can't be judge only with a simple look on a rendering.

This "non-tower" (as I want to define it) is much more significant as any other projects in Europe. It is not a tower hosting only offices but meanings. It has a role, we present it as a model, as a monument, as something we never did before. Try to understand first.

I agree on most points JP.

But, the aesthetic of the building, the thing that produce such sharp reactions cannot be dealt with by saying that it is a matter of taste.
LBT was found "beautiful" almost unanimously. I'm not comparing directly the two as some differences are quite obvious, but what I mean is that :
- this one is not intented to be an instant pleaser,
- this one is a more risk taking exercice.

It's hard not to say "it's ugly" when it is indeed;)

Well, it;s not thah bad, but doesn't fit to La defense in my opinion.

A further close-up:

http://static.flickr.com/113/309754856_a8bb3ba154_o.jpg

..and what it will look like from the south east:

http://static.flickr.com/103/309754883_3f9e3cc2f9_o.jpg

LBT plays with our traditional representation. Something high has been always seen as a pyramidal structure(pyramides, ziggurats, bell towers roofs). So it was easy to join every mind in a unanimous enthusiasm. I agree with you if you remember me Generali and its top, pyramidal top... and its nearly unanimous deception, but for that one, the top is too complicated and not so pure as LBT. LBT is close to Millenium Tower by Foster and close to many vision and historical vision of what a tower should be.

In the Mayne's tower case, we have nothing to compare and it remembers us anything we could saw before. we have no mark, and that "monument" must play a landmark roles... that's the point.

Any nickname yet?
The bulb?
The fat lady exhibiting it?s right steel frame leg to shock and not to please ?
The outrageous curvilinear marmite?
The standing top of the range potato?
The Mixed bean?
The liquifying pot pourri?

......not a skyscraper, not a monument either (or yet).

I dont think I can intellectualize already on such a project, but it seems, that proportions, shapes and textures are uncommon and the assemblage is also unique.
Follower of 30 St Mary Axe and other tall buildings worldwide, this amorphous organic and deconstructivist high rise does get the attention of most of us and yet, some of us find it ugly.

I applaude the risk taken by La Defense and Paris, something that was not very common place recently but I regret that it is ending with an object looking like a vertical guggenheim.

The monument status, if any, will not rely on its aesthetic but on the will of the people's representations.

It will look ridiculous from the south east.

Btw. Are people more tolerant towards skyscrapers in France than in the UK?

I like it!!

It will look ridiculous from the south east.

Btw. Are people more tolerant towards skyscrapers in France than in the UK?

No, that's another point which make me very concerned.
People in France tend to resent even more high rise buildings than brits.

Is this bad or good for the high rise building image?

- If not considered a tower, how can it make other tower proposals more acceptable?
- Can this be the shocking high rise that will change people's perceptions?

not a monument either... read and listen...

few exemple...
"cet immeuble monumental" AFP
"Cette tour monumentale de 300 m?tres de haut," EPAD
"ce projet hautement symbolique" UNIBAIL
"un symbole d’optimisme et de progr?s" morphosis

Have you read such thing for Generali? I don't make personnaly this tower a monument. But you've to admit we match a particular meaning with this architecture, this tower. The program asked to build a "phare"...

Have you ever read something about generali be compared with Eiffel Tower?
Look at the news on TV, and watch that we are looking for an Eiffel rivals with Morphosis tower...

It's anecdotical things, but sum it and it will be not so...

^^ and the boss of unibail nickname the tower the "pregnant lady"...

[et moi j'avais ajoute qu'il ne faudrait pas se trouver sous elle quand elle perdra ses eaux] :D

[et moi j'avais ajoute qu'il ne faudrait pas se trouver sous elle quand elle perdra ses eaux] :D
:lol: :lol:

not a monument either... read and listen...

few exemple...
"cet immeuble monumental" AFP
"Cette tour monumentale de 300 m?tres de haut," EPAD
"ce projet hautement symbolique" UNIBAIL
"un symbole d?optimisme et de progr?s" morphosis

Have you read such thing for Generali? I don't make personnaly this tower a monument. But you've to admit we match a particular meaning with this architecture, this tower. The program asked to build a "phare"...

Have you ever read something about generali be compared with Eiffel Tower?
Look at the news on TV, and watch that we are looking for an Eiffel rivals with Morphosis tower...

It's anecdotical things, but sum it and it will be not so...


Around the world, the "landmark" tower is the norm! this is not unique to Paris. London, NY, and every metropolis in the advanced world is building or intend to build one or several landmark buildings!

[et moi j'avais ajoute qu'il ne faudrait pas se trouver sous elle quand elle perdra ses eaux] :D

:lol: :lol: :lol: