anybody been reading these? interesting articles by the Los Angeles Times.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/history/la-culture-special,0,3896941.special?coll=la-home-headlines

I just finished reading the entire section S of the LA Times. I'm sooooo damn glad I live in Los Angeles...... Proud Angelino!!!!!

^^

Fantastic collection of articles regarding LA's contributions to the world.

I especially liked Amy Wilentz article, which kinda puts into perspective why LA is so often misunderstood and despised by others...


THE PUNCHING BAG
Oh, go ahead and insult us
What is it about Los Angeles that annoys people so much? Let's face it -- everyone needs some place to despise. And we're it.
By Amy Wilentz, Special to The Times
December 3, 2006

Cultural whipping boy
Cultural whipping boy
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- What L.A. gave the world
ONE morning not long after I came to Los Angeles, I was sitting in rush-hour traffic having just carpooled six children to school, talking on the cellphone to New York. My friend on the other end of the line was in Manhattan, on the Upper West Side. I told her that I was trying desperately to get to a yoga class.

"It's happening to you too," she said, after a dark, fraught silence. "I knew it would."

"What's happening to me?" I asked.

"You're becoming an empty-headed Californian," she said. "Soon," she predicted direly, "you'll be happy."

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I often wonder how a place where Alfred Hitchcock and John Huston flourished, where F. Scott Fitzgerald wrote and Raymond Chandler found his great material has managed to maintain its status as cultural whipping boy to the world. How come everywhere, everyone is so glad to accept the idea of Los Angeles as a bland place full of stupid people with no cultural interests? Can it be that they are jealous of the weather? They think it never rains here.

L.A. has been hated and disrespected for a long time, publicly and privately, by people who live here, by people who visit, by newcomers and old-timers, by writers and commentators and immigrants and transients. For a city that has produced so much art — in film, painting and literature — it remains the place, as Woody Allen famously noted, whose "only cultural advantage is that you can make a right turn on a red light."

This is our gift to the world: Everyone needs someone to despise, and as a city we are always available. After all, Los Angeles — though self-conscious — is not shy. Over the years, it has offered itself up almost shamelessly to be examined, and then rejected. Nathanael West was perhaps the greatest of the Los Angeles haters, and his vituperative "The Day of the Locust" is still the classic apocalyptic indictment of the city. (Los Angeles hated him back and meted out his fate in classic fashion: He died in a car crash with his wife after running a stop sign in El Centro.)

Even Carey McWilliams, the great chronicler of Southern California who eventually came to love the region, admits to having undergone a long bout with the illness I call anti-Angelenism before his attitude about the place turned around. "When I first arrived in Los Angeles," he wrote in 1946, "I hated, as so many other people have hated, the big, sprawling, deformed character of the place. I loathed the crowds of dull and stupid people that milled around downtown sections dawdling and staring, poking and pointing, like villagers visiting a city for the first time. I found nothing about Los Angeles to like and a great many things to detest."

L.A. has long been viewed as an embarrassment by America. Because it is the city at the end of the continent, it is commonly regarded as the newest, freshest, best thing the country has to offer, so its every flaw is interpreted as a sign of our collective national failure. As McWilliams writes, "What America is, California is, with accents, in italics." Europeans — among them De Tocqueville, Trollope and, more recently, Bernard Henri-Levi — look to the West and see Americans as uncultured, loutish, self-indulgent materialists. And Americans do the same: In Los Angeles, they see what they take to be a more babyish, dumber version of themselves and they shudder.

Because of its early history, L.A. has had to live up to some very high expectations. From the start, the town was touted as a paradise, and people came in droves. Much of the boosterism was true, or based on truth. Los Angeles was set in an exquisite landscape — warm, breezy, tucked between an ocean and purple mountains. (Even now, having lived here for four years, I can't believe it when I look up from traffic on a clear day and see not just the lovely Hollywood Hills but the San Gabriel range in the distance, behind the shopping malls and billboards.) The climate was healthful, dry and pleasant. Fruits and vegetables, although not of the Brobdingnagian size advertised by pamphlets and brochures, did have a longer growing season.

Still, once the crowds settled in, they noticed that Los Angeles was not paradise. Hardly anyone was a native, and hardly anyone who came here had time, before the next wave of humans landed, to establish a mark that could endure. There were too many people, and the new arrivals were always searching for Los Angeles, for some kind of meaning or significance or heart, and not finding it. They wanted to know where they had washed up, but in truth, there was no there where they were.

In a very real sense, Los Angeles has always been occupied territory. It was occupied by the Americans while it was still part of Mexico. Today, many occupiers come from the East Coast (though in the late 1800s and early 1900s, the deluge was from Iowa). Often, they are Hollywood people.

Hollywood people are always coming from somewhere else: The actors, of course, who arrive from that special nation called the Land of the Good Looking, but also the producers and directors and writers. They have their own peculiar state within a state here, although at the same time, they are visible nationally and internationally. I hold them accountable for a lot of L.A.'s bad press, both as local setters of ridiculous trends — dogs in bags, knitting as a lifestyle, the 2-inch jean zipper, Restylane — that are mocked but followed by the rest of the world, and as the biggest of the L.A. denigrators. They always like to tell you that they get only the New York Times. They're always raising money for candidates who are running for governor … of New York.

L.A.'s bad reputation has been oddly long-lived, but then, what would the world do without a place it could despise? In every century and culture, I would argue, there has been a place upon which opprobrium could be heaped, usually for cultural reasons, or out of jealousy and fear. This locus of loathing, I would argue further, will always be a place where the dominant culture has established its final triumphant outpost. (In the 1700s and 1800s, New York and Boston served this function for England and Europe; since the turn of the last century, Los Angeles has provided it for America, as well as the rest of the Western, and possibly Eastern, world.) It's necessary to have a yardstick against which one can measure one's own standing, and the culture of the last outpost will always challenge the received wisdom, much as a child challenges his or her parents. The older culture will seek to suppress the younger, but the younger will inevitably survive, to vanquish what came before.

So will there ever be a culture Los Angeles can look down on?

Well, I wonder, what would happen if there were one day a settlement on the moon.

"Ah," Angelenos might crow. "She's from the moon. I mean, come on. You can't expect her to be normal. Everything's so easy there, in the bubble. I mean, you're weightless, for heaven's sake. You don't ever have to lose a pound…. And it never rains."

Amy Wilentz is the author, most recently, of "I Feel Earthquakes More Often Than They Happen: Coming to California in the Age of Schwarzenegger."

^^

...

"Ah," Angelenos might crow. "She's from the moon. I mean, come on. You can't expect her to be normal. Everything's so easy there, in the bubble. I mean, you're weightless, for heaven's sake. You don't ever have to lose a pound…. And it never rains."



:lol: I loved this article

^^

Fantastic collection of articles regarding LA's contributions to the world.

I especially liked Amy Wilentz article, which kinda puts into perspective why LA is so often misunderstood and despised by others...


So let me get this correct from the article: Hating Los Angeles is right, and any sort of civic pride is wrong? Fuck that Eastcoast shit.
There's more to the people of this city than jaded, elitist, superficial white Eastcoast transplants. Why the fuck do they have to get all the attention?

Oh wait, they're natural attention whores.

In defense of the article "el", I don't really think they were advocating the hatred of Los Angeles, I think she was making a mockery of the outside contempt of this wonderful experiment called "LA".

In defense of the article "el", I don't really think they were advocating the hatred of Los Angeles, I think she was making a mockery of the outside contempt of this wonderful experiment called "LA".

Well you're not from here so obviously you see things with an Eastcoast bias. I know the article wasn't the typical cliche LA diss but it's ultimate message was, "What Los Angeles gave the world was a city everyone can hate." I'm willing to bet the writer's hometown zip code begins with a "1" and not a "9."

^^ :eek:
well, i have to say that i too wonder why the ditzes get all the attention here... honestly i've only seen those people portrayed in movies, books, or shows, but i've never met anyone like that and i've lived in los angeles all my life

Well you're not from here so obviously you see things with an Eastcoast bias. I know the article wasn't the typical cliche LA diss but it's ultimate message was, "What Los Angeles gave the world was a city everyone can hate." I'm willing to bet the writer's hometown zip code begins with a "1" and not a "9."

As the wolves always turn on their young.

anyone have comments on any of the other articles?

Some of the "punching bag", has been done to us by ourselves. When you are the dominant producer of media, you can't help but deal with the negative and strange that you know. Writers write about what they know, These shows and documents are broadcast to the whole country who pick up and believe all the negatives, without knowing anything about the positives, which let's face it are boooorrrrring.

I just finished reading the entire section S of the LA Times. I'm sooooo damn glad I live in Los Angeles...... Proud Angelino!!!!!

Obviously not proud enough. :lol:

What Los Angeles gave the world.

1. The freeway network
2. the Internet (started at UCLA)
3. The Richter Scale.
4. The Bikini
5. The skateboard
6. The Low Rider
7. The fortune cookie.
8. The modern Movie industry.
9. Douglas and Hughes and the start of modern aviation.
10. the Hula Hoop.
11. short boards.
12. George Patton
13. Earl Warren
14. Ronald Reagan
15. the cheeseburger
16. the double double burger
17. the chili burger
18. cruising
19. Frank Zappa
20. Susan Sontag
21. John Cage
22. the case study homes.
23. Frank Geary.
24. Most of the content currently on TV.
25. the American Porn Industry.
26. Scientology.
27. Self Realization fellowship.
28. the Pentacostal church
29. calculation of the speed of Light
30. the French Dip sandwich.
31. First recognition and description of AIDS.
32. The rose parade.
33. The bowl game.

34. The Lingo
35. Gangster Rap
36. The Homeboys
37. Hollywood
38. Rodeo Drive
39. So. Central Image
and so on............

dont forget scientology!

dont forget scientology!

Check number 26.

40. Go-go dancers
41. Folk rock
42. Latin rock
43. "Cool jazz", Gerry Mulligan, Chet Baker
44, Surf music.
45. Jackie Robinson.
46. The USC trojan marching band.

damn... what about nightly telivised car chases / wild fires

Exactly why I think LA to be one of the most cultured cities in the world, though the majority of people would respond by saying "NO WAY!!!".

In reference to the article posted by future_trance:

I don't get this bitch Amy W. She wrote a book entitled: "I Feel Earthquakes More Often Than They Happen: Coming to California in the Age of Schwarzenegger by Amy Wilentz (Hardcover - Aug 15, 2006)" where, based on some reviews below, she was practically bashing California and LA in particular. Now she writes an article like this? Am I missing something here? This woman has no credibility whatsoever. How can someone who has only lived here for a short period of time profess to be an expert in California politics, economics and culture. Her observations are completely whacked! I think she is desperately trying to "belong" and be "accepted" by LA's literary and social circles, trying to get the attention so many outsiders like her craves once they get a taste of LA's cultural scene. She's no Joan Didion or Carolyn See....

Editorial Reviews

From Publishers Weekly

For those living outside the Golden State, it's easy to forget that somewhere "out west" there is a land of sunshine and Schwarzenegger that may be a bigger force in shaping America's idea of itself than any self-respecting New Yorker would admit. Into this California—"the New World's new world, America's America" as Wilentz describes it—plunges the former Jerusalem correspondent for the New Yorker and lifelong East Coaster. Her book is both social criticism and the memoir of a self-described "catastrophist," who fled New York not long after 9/11 (having first bought an inflatable boat to escape her Upper West Side apartment in case of emergency). With pessimistic wit that is pure East Coast, Wilentz regards California, and Los Angeles in particular, as the same kind of strange and dark-hearted place it was for Nathanael West. Through Wilentz's Gulliveresque chronicles of the gubernatorial recall, natural disasters and Hollywood, there surfaces a clear affinity for the "showmanship" and "blowhardism" upon which California is founded. It is, Wilentz writes, America's "sunny coast of the imagination"—a dreamworld with all the confusion and awesomeness that implies. (Aug.)
Copyright © Reed Business Information, a division of Reed Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved.

From The Washington Post's Book World/washingtonpost.com

Not long after Sept. 11, 2001, Amy Wilentz, a freelance writer, moved with her husband and children from New York to Los Angeles. Like many if not most New Yorkers, she had been deeply affected by that day's terrorist attacks and their aftermath -- "there were checkpoints at the subway stops, armed guards at entrances to bridges, and something called 'police actions' that occasionally stopped all traffic in both directions" -- but the reason for the move was more mundane: "my husband had been offered a job as an editor at the Los Angeles Times." She had always held California in disdain, as many New Yorkers do, but she "thought I could do with a break from the stress," so she accepted the move with something close to relief.
She found, of course, that she was merely moving from Terrorist Central to Fire and Earthquake Central -- indeed, to Trouble Central: "I had arrived in L.A. hoping to avoid catastrophe, only to find that I was living in its capital. My new friends advised me: Cash and water in your car (Tampax too). Full tank, always. Slippers or flip-flops next to each bed (for walking on the inevitable broken glass). Flashlights everywhere, especially in night tables; make sure the batteries are live. Emergency lights. Hand-cranked radio. This all was beginning to sound too familiar. And don't forget: The safest spot is still in a door frame or under a sturdy table; outside is dangerous until the shaking has stopped; door frames without doors are better because doors can swing and knock you out. Bolt all your bookcases to the walls."

Fire and earthquakes were only the beginning. Not long after Wilentz arrived, southern California, where it never rains, was inundated with rains of biblical proportions. Houses that in other weather might have burned to the ground or crumbled to pieces slid down hillsides or were engulfed in muck. The state, once the richest and healthiest in the union, was $27 billion in debt, "a deeply flawed place with bad public education and poor health care -- a gas-guzzling consumathon with hundreds of thousands of miles of asphalt but barely any public transportation." It was deeply divided over issues of race, ethnicity and language. On top of everything else, its duly elected governor, Gray Davis, a Democrat, had been recalled in part because of his mishandling of a power crisis but also because of the desire of influential Republicans simply to be rid of him, and a muscle-bound movie star, Arnold Schwarzenegger, was well ahead in the campaign to replace him.

All of which -- and much more -- is grist for Wilentz's mill in I Feel Earthquakes More Often Than They Happen, a mouthful of a title that doubtless won't do much to help the book's sale (imagine asking a sales clerk for it) but that does accurately reflect the author's state of mind: apprehension that at times seems wildly disproportionate to the disturbance or threat at hand. Though she's done extensive stints as a foreign correspondent in dangerous places (Jerusalem, Haiti) and walked through Manhattan with her children after the Sept. 11 attacks, Wilentz has a highly developed sense of her own real or imagined connection to the dangers of the world and indulges that sense at some length in this book.

That's the tiresome part. The good part comes when Wilentz stops chafing her exposed nerve ends and just has fun, at the expense of various aspects of California that richly deserve ridicule. At times she lapses into ritualistic California-bashing, to which many of us Easterners are susceptible, but there's plenty about California that simply demands satire -- just as there is plenty about Washington, D.C., that demands the same -- and it turns out that Wilentz, though a creature of the pious left, has a fully operable and most engaging sense of humor.

Indeed, one can't help wonder what sort of L.A. social life she'll have after this book hits the stores, since she's quite merciless about some of the people in whose houses she's been entertained. There is, for example, Arianna Huffington, proprietress of the noted blog and high priestess of chic L.A. liberalism. Huffington "looks like an exaggerated Jackie Kennedy, and she talks like Zsa Zsa Gabor, but unlike most women in Hollywood circles who are not starlets . . . Huffington gets some respect and is listened to -- to a degree." She is "a well-connected socialite and perennial gadfly and ambitious in the extreme (she was once called the most upwardly mobile Greek since Icarus)," and:

"What is remarkable is that only a decade ago, when Huffington lived in conservative Santa Barbara with her Texas oilman husband, she was an archconservative and a Republican herself. She's always been a quick study and realized in a half-second that when you arrive in Hollywood as an industry outsider, you can't be conservative and a Republican and expect to have fun or standing or celebrity. Hollywood, in turn, has leaped to accept the revised Huffington."

She gives frequent parties and is a member in eminent standing of a spectacularly self-important group called "the Los Angeles Institute for the Humanities, a group of academics, achievers, artists, curators, and writers who meet twice a month for sit-down, white-tablecloth luncheons at the Faculty Club at the University of Southern California," where they talk solemnly about ills of the world that they alone are qualified -- by dint of their celebrity, their beauty and their sublime virtue -- to solve. Huffington also gives and attends parties of the Hollywood A-list: "No one ever gives a party just to have fun, an occasion to gossip, drink, and wear nice shoes. A party here always has a money aspect and an informational aspect -- as if they have to justify a party and prove that their heads contain something other than air."

Yes, nailing those people is like shooting whales in a barrel, but Wilentz hits the bull's-eye dead center. Ditto when she homes in on Schwarzenegger, the only internationally famous California political figure who makes Ronald Reagan seem an intellectual and a statesman. He "was drawn to politics as another stage on which Schwarzenegger could perform and be watched, loved, worshipped. He's a pure narcissist -- contentless, and in this way highly appropriate to his times. An uncontrollable element of egotism is characteristic of all who present themselves for very visible office, of course, but pure love of their own image is not usually the only element that propels them." Wilentz is fascinated by Schwarzenegger and tries hard (with no luck) to obtain an interview with him, but she correctly observes that his "candidacy in its most easily understandable form -- Terminator for governor -- simplified politics and infantilizes the electorate." Though the electorate probably was infantilized a long time ago, she gets the main point:

"There were certainly political reasons to mistrust Schwarzenegger. His was a masquerade candidacy. Like so many political events in recent years, Schwarzenegger's run was portrayed as the opposite of what it was; the campaign pretended to be for the popular good when it merely furthered the status quo, alleged it would help the little guy when it clearly was intended to make things easier and better for business interests, used the mask of tax givebacks and a 'no new taxes' platform as a populist cover-up for its corporate underpinnings."

Wilentz believes "that California has a dark heart," and there is much evidence to support her. Schwarzenegger and the people behind him are merely the latest heirs to the state's history of venality and unrepresentative government. "Since the beginning of its modern development," Wilentz writes, "there hasn't been enough water in California, and hence major fortunes in the state have famously (and infamously) been made on water rights, water infrastructure, water bank, and water control." The railroads owned the state until the governorship of Hiram Johnson (1911-17), and for several decades thereafter the state enjoyed a reputation for progressive government, but that ended with a bang in 1973 with the passage of Proposition 13, which rolled back property taxes and ultimately left the state's public education system "down there among the bottom ten, along with traditionally poor, underfunded states such as Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Nevada, and New Mexico."

Not a pretty picture, and so long as Schwarzenegger and his masterminds run things, the picture isn't going to change, except possibly for the worse. "Where's the edge," Wilentz asks, "the California Promise?" The answer, apparently, is that it's gone.

Copyright 2006, The Washington Post. All Rights Reserved.

40. Go-go dancers
41. Folk rock
42. Latin rock
43. "Cool jazz", Gerry Mulligan, Chet Baker
44, Surf music.
45. Jackie Robinson.
46. The USC trojan marching band.
47. the sigalert
48. the drive by shooting
49. In-N-Out burgers

50. Beach volleyball
51. John Elway
52. Jet Propulsion Laboratory
53. Gasoline stations
54. Disneyland
55. Capitol Records
56. Chicano art
57. The plein air movement of impressionistic landscape painting
58. Cobb salad

Some of the "punching bag", has been done to us by ourselves. When you are the dominant producer of media, you can't help but deal with the negative and strange that you know.

That's what we are led to believe, that we are "the dominant producer of media." Sure, it's written here, (most of the times) filmed here. But the entities that MARKET it, and OWN the companies that make it...are 3,000 miles away. That, my friend is the secret of the Matrix.

That's what we are led to believe, that we are "the dominant producer of media." Sure, it's written here, (most of the times) filmed here. But the entities that MARKET it, and OWN the companies that make it...are 3,000 miles away. That, my friend is the secret of the Matrix.

Nah, the writers write what they know. The decisions on what gets filmed are made here. If the ultimate owners are far away they only care about "profit, no profit".

dont forget scientology!



Nice job resume on your homepage....... I see you have a Sprint PCS #!!!!

In reference to the article posted by future_trance:

I don't get this bitch Amy W. She wrote a book entitled: "I Feel Earthquakes More Often Than They Happen: Coming to California in the Age of Schwarzenegger by Amy Wilentz (Hardcover - Aug 15, 2006)" where, based on some reviews below, she was practically bashing California and LA in particular. Now she writes an article like this? Am I missing something here? This woman has no credibility whatsoever. How can someone who has only lived here for a short period of time profess to be an expert in California politics, economics and culture. Her observations are completely whacked! I think she is desperately trying to "belong" and be "accepted" by LA's literary and social circles, trying to get the attention so many outsiders like her craves once they get a taste of LA's cultural scene. She's no Joan Didion or Carolyn See....

Seriously, how many times have we heard about some East Coast idiot write about their negative experiences or views about Los Angeles or California in general? And where are they now? NOWHERE. Probably suffering from writer's block in the dark, stuffy confines of their Manhattan apartment with a glass of water and anti-depressants within reach.


50. Beach volleyball
51. John Elway
52. Jet Propulsion Laboratory
53. Gasoline stations
54. Disneyland
55. Capitol Records
56. Chicano art
57. The plein air movement of impressionistic landscape painting
58. Cobb salad

59. Space Shuttle
60. Venice Beach Body Building & the whole Fitness Revolution
61. Zamboni
62. Supermarkets
63. Introduction of Feng Shui to the Western Culture
64. the Burning Man Festival
65. Extreme Sport Culture
66. OJ Simpson Trial
67. Post Modern Architectural Movement
68. California Rolls and the whole sushi craze
69. McDonalds
70. Wolfgang Puck
71. Drive Thrus (movies, banks, restaurants)
72. Rodney King fiasco & riots
73. Myspace
74. The Import Racing Scene
75. the Fusion of Rap and Heavy Metal


40. Go-go dancers

Really?


The fortune cookie.


I believe this was a San Francisco phenomenon.

Nah, the writers write what they know. The decisions on what gets filmed are made here. If the ultimate owners are far away they only care about "profit, no profit".


That's very true. Most of the studios are owned by the uptight asses back East but they practically let them run their own ship. Only when ratings go down or a potential blockbuster goes bust then they step in to intercede. . .for about 2 minutes.

i thought burning man is in navada someweres

76.Michelle Kwan
77. Venus/Serena Williams
78. Tiger Woods
79. Trader Joe's

80. Bloods, Crips, Pirus
81. the 1950's Suburban Tract Home complete with 2 Car Garage and Vacuum Cleaner
82. The Motel
83. SoCal Ska
84. The Arrival of Cocaine into the US
85. Zoot Suit Riots and the Eventual Rise of Chicano Power
86. Oscar Dela Hoya
87. Baywatch and Big Boobs
88. The Anti-Smog Industry
89. Raves
90. The Special Effects and Graphics Industry
91. Interpretive Architecture (Randy's Donuts)
92. The Mars Pathfinder

i thought burning man is in navada someweres

Started by Berkeley students in SoCal beaches.

:banana: OH ye doubters. The invention of the fortune cookie is generally attributed to David Jung owner of the Hong Kong Noodle Factory in LA. reference below. San Francisco did give us the folding machine that speeds up the process.

http://www.chcp.org/fortune.html

I don't have a reference but most folks attribute the go-go dancer to the Whiskey a Go Go on the Sunset strip. They were the first to put dancers in elevated cages next to the stage.

...was someone watching the history channel durring thanksgiving?

:banana: OH ye doubters.

I don't have a reference but most folks attribute the go-go dancer to the Whiskey a Go Go on the Sunset strip. They were the first to put dancers in elevated cages next to the stage.



^So from that point on they were known as Go~Go Dancers???

I'm sure there was another name to these hanging dancers in a cage back in the days...... Anyhow, shake your booty peeps!!!!!

:dance: :dance:

What Los Angeles gave the world.

1. The freeway network
2. the Internet (started at UCLA)
3. The Richter Scale.
4. The Bikini
5. The skateboard
6. The Low Rider
7. The fortune cookie.
8. The modern Movie industry.
9. Douglas and Hughes and the start of modern aviation.
10. the Hula Hoop.
11. short boards.
12. George Patton
13. Earl Warren
14. Ronald Reagan
15. the cheeseburger
16. the double double burger
17. the chili burger
18. cruising
19. Frank Zappa
20. Susan Sontag
21. John Cage
22. the case study homes.
23. Frank Geary.
24. Most of the content currently on TV.
25. the American Porn Industry.
26. Scientology.
27. Self Realization fellowship.
28. the Pentacostal church
29. calculation of the speed of Light
30. the French Dip sandwich.
31. First recognition and description of AIDS.
32. The rose parade.
33. The bowl game.


You forgot the porn industry.

Cheap Hair Metal bands too!!!

Now i see!!!

"25. the American Porn Industry"


The best contribution...with no doubt!!!

93. LA Noir
94. Moon Buggy
95. Googie Architecture
96. Case Study Houses
97. John Wayne
98. Fusion Cuisine
99. Charles Bukowski
100. John Fante
101. James Ellroy
102. LA Casual Chic, denim as formal wear
103. Tim Burton
104. John Baldessari
105. Ed Ruscha
106. Quentin Tarantino
107. Appended star names: Brangelina, TomKat
108. Angelyne
109. Barbie
110. The Getty Center
111. LA Lakers, Laker Girls
112. Defense Industry, Northrop Gruman
113. Dog psychologist
114. Fake Snow
115. Tony Hawk
116. Walk of Fame
117. California Institute of Technology
118. Macrobiotic food
119. Olympics '32 and '84
120. Assemblage Art
121. Laurel Canyon
122. McMansions

123. Charles & Ray Eames (their designs, furniture, architecture, exhibitions, films, toys, and books aimed to improve society culturally, intellectually, and functionally)
124. Seabiscuit
125. Long Beach Grand Prix
126. Kobe Bryant
127. Baywatch aka "Babewatch"
128. Doodah Parade
129. Gold's Gym
130. Hollywood Walk of Fame

131. Hot Dog on a Stick.

132. The Academy Awards
133. The Golden Globe Awards
134. The Emmy Awards
135. The Grammy Awards
136. The Screen Actors Guild Awards

132. The Academy Awards
133. The Golden Globe Awards
134. The Emmy Awards
135. The Grammy Awards
136. The Screen Actors Guild Awards

137. The LA film Critics awards. (how could you forget?)

138. Chips
139. Farrah Fawcett
140. LA Forum

...did we invent colon cleansing?

and scream therapy.

...did we invent colon cleansing?

ewww

and scream therapy.



^ What cream are you referring to???:|

and scream therapy.


ORLY? I thought a Norwegian invented it.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f4/The_Scream.jpg/300px-The_Scream.jpg

Seriously, I believe scream therapy was a European invention.

...did we invent colon cleansing?

You can thank the Ancient Egyptians for that:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonic

139. Farrah Fawcett


Farrah is from Texas.

137. The LA film Critics awards. (how could you forget?)

Basically, all the Awards except the Tonys...(NY can keep THAT ONE! LOL)

You can thank the Ancient Egyptians for that:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonic

$8o!! holy crap!

just get a garden hose with a pressure nozzel

64. the Burning Man Festival


The fortune cookie started in Los Angeles, but the Burning Man Festival actually originated in SF's Baker Beach: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burning_Man

$8o!! holy crap!

just get a garden hose with a pressure nozzel

Or eat tons of fiber. Much less gross.

http://s133702574.onlinehome.us/pictures/blog/colonblow.jpg

8
89. Raves


Raves began in Europe. Suburban London to be exact.

What Los Angeles gave the world.

14. Ronald Reagan


Ronald Reagan was born and raised in Illinois. He didn't arrive in Los Angeles until age 26. My parents arrived in Los Angeles at age 25. Does that make them natives too? :P

Scratch Reagan and put Richard Nixon in. Born in Yorba Linda, raised in Whittier.

Speaking of Whittier, did anyone add NOMAR GARCIAPARRA? ("Nomaaah!" to all you Bostonians)

ok ok ok!!! so your the los angeles vault of knowledge! dont have to keep show boating

ok ok ok!!! so your the los angeles vault of knowledge! dont have to keep show boating

Just trying to keep things accurate here. And the high-fiber cereal really does work. Your crap will look that much more healthier.

fantastic!!

Farrah is from Texas.

So she was breed in Texas..... Then she became an LA Hottie!

fantastic!!

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Available at your local Trader Joe's...Eat it every day for breakfast for a month...You won't need no stinkin colonics (which could potentially damage your intestinal lining).

oooooop's double post.....

TMI..... Let's keep our stool in it's place and get back on topic. Before Joey comes in here with one of his wild wet moments..... OMG what's next?

its not my fault you little rat!!!

sorry, I was just talking shit...

I can see how ElSongs

has such a high #

of posts :lol:

^ Why would, well you know who, call you a Lil' Rat?

no man that was directed to you!:cheers:

sorry, I was just talking shit...



^ Why would, well you know who, call you a Lil' Rat?

...dude what is going on with these forums? how can i be posting answering questions that have not been made

...dude what is going on with these forums? how can i be posting answering questions that have not been made



^ It's the magic of Hollywood, there's no other explanation!

of posts :lol:

I still bow to Ferney and Botox though...2k+ posts...

Raves began in Europe. Suburban London to be exact.


Well EXCUSE ME Mr Wiki. As far as I know, Stateside raves started in LA back in the early 90's to counter something called Hair Metal sprouting up in the Sunset Strip. Who gives a shit about what started in Euroland. :)

141. Direct TV and Satellite Television
142. Undisputed Capital of Pop Culture
143. System of a Down
142. The Aftermarket Industry
143. The Charles Manson Cult Murders
144. The Strip Mall
145. Death Row
146. Theme Parks
147. Popularization of the SUV
146. the Skateboard
147. The Joint Strike Fighter
148. Automotive Design Capital of the World
149. Steamboat Willie aka Mickey Mouse & the First Animated Cartoons
150. Speed Dating
151. Jon Jerde "Experience Architecture" (CityWalk, Horton Plaza, Mall of America)
152. Street Luge
153. Richard Nixon
154. The Toll Freeway
155. Kwanzaa
156. Burritos and Tortilla Chips
157. The X Games

Well EXCUSE ME Mr Wiki. As far as I know, Stateside raves started in LA back in the early 90's to counter something called Hair Metal sprouting up in the Sunset Strip. Who gives a shit about what started in Euroland. :)

Um, the topic is "What Los Angeles gave the WORLD" not "What Los Angeles gave America imported from Europe" (though that can be another list of its own (i.e. Big Brother, American Idol, etc). And in the early 90s, hair metal was on its deathbed, rave or no rave. It had been on the Strip for a decade already. Alt/grunge was the rock style du jour.

ok ok ok!!! so your the los angeles vault of knowledge! dont have to keep show boating

A canon, even.

When this 'list' reaches its maximum number, there should be a compilation to make it one single long list.

Ronald Reagan was born and raised in Illinois. He didn't arrive in Los Angeles until age 26. My parents arrived in Los Angeles at age 25. Does that make them natives too? :P

Scratch Reagan and put Richard Nixon in. Born in Yorba Linda, raised in Whittier.

Speaking of Whittier, did anyone add NOMAR GARCIAPARRA? ("Nomaaah!" to all you Bostonians)

Reagan may have been born in Dixon Illinois. (I knew that). But his careers both in show business and politics developed out here. When he left office, he came back to LA. His retirement office was in Century City, a few blocks from where I work. And the Reagan Library is in Simi, not Skokie. I know you like to be king of trivia but there really is a reason that Illinois, not Kentucky is known as the "Land of Lincoln". And Illinois has never claimed the title of "Land of Reagan" although I do know about the museum going up in Dixon.

The reason I didn't mention Nixon is the thread is "what LA gave the world" and Nixon is fully a credit to Orange county.

Using your logic, Walt Disney wouldn't even count because he was born in the midwest, went to school in Chicago, and was raised in Marcelline Missouri. I don't think we need to be so pedantic. As far as I am concerned if an immigrant had the major portion of their productive career in LA, they count. Any invention, doctrine, medical or social advance that started in LA counts, even if the inventor or inovator was born elsewhere.

How could I have forgotten about Kwanza in my original list? There are duplicates starting to show up in the list but I dont think anyone has mentioned:

158. The Kosher burrito.
159. Hot wheels.
160 The Tommy burp gun.

Also I don't think the first animated cartoons started out here although the first sound, color, and full length drawn animated cartoons did.
I know LA wasn't even the start of Walt Disneys' cartoon making. Way before Steamboat Willie, Disney made a series of features under the general name "Alice in Cartoonland from his studio in Kansas City.

Using your logic, Walt Disney wouldn't even count because he was born in the midwest, went to school in Chicago, and was raised in Marcelline Missouri. I don't the we need to be so pedantic. As far as I am concerned if an immigrant had the major portion of their productive career in LA, they count. Any invention, doctrine, medical or social advance that tarted in LA counts, even if the inventor or inovator was born elsewhere.

The reason I didn't mention Nixon is the thread is "what LA gave the world" and Nixon is fully a credit to Orange county.


Walt Disney the man doesn't count, but the Walt Disney Company does.

Then why is Disneyland on that list?

As for Nixon being "fully a credit to OC," he was raised in Whittier, LA County.

[QUOTE=mongozx;10840618]Well EXCUSE ME Mr Wiki. As far as I know, Stateside raves started in LA back in the early 90's to counter something called Hair Metal sprouting up in the Sunset Strip.


^^ That's where I know Mongozx from, the industrial raves all over the city. If I'm not mistaken he was a "Go~Go dancers with his oversized Mickey Mouse white gloves..... :banana:

So (SVS) how are you going to sit there and argue with the man!!!!:

[QUOTE=mongozx;10840618]Well EXCUSE ME Mr Wiki. As far as I know, Stateside raves started in LA back in the early 90's to counter something called Hair Metal sprouting up in the Sunset Strip.


^^ That's where I know Mongozx from, the industrial raves all over the city. If I'm not mistaken he was a "Go~Go dancer with his oversized Mickey Mouse white gloves..... :banana:


He wasn't eating fortune cookies, was he?

Reagan may have been born in Dixon Illinois. (I knew that). But his careers both in show business and politics developed out here. When he left office, he came back to LA. His retirement office was in Century City, a few blocks from where I work. And the Reagan Library is in Simi, not Skokie. I know you like to be king of trivia but there really is a reason that Illinois, not Kentucky is known as the "Land of Lincoln". And Illinois has never claimed the title of "Land of Reagan" although I do know about the museum going up in Dixon.

The reason I didn't mention Nixon is the thread is "what LA gave the world" and Nixon is fully a credit to Orange county.

Using your logic, Walt Disney wouldn't even count because he was born in the midwest, went to school in Chicago, and was raised in Marcelline Missouri. I don't the we need to be so pedantic. As far as I am concerned if an immigrant had the major portion of their productive career in LA, they count. Any invention, doctrine, medical or social advance that tarted in LA counts, even if the inventor or inovator was born elsewhere.



^^
SVS makes a great point...

Many inventions, ideas, people, etc. may not have originated in LA, but it doesn't discount the fact that the "City of Angels" is where they became a force to be reckoned with. For example, surfing may not have been invented in LA, yet its indisputable that surf culture was popularized by films (The Endless Summer, Beach Blanket Bingo, Gidget, etc. ) and glorified on music (Beach Boys, Surfaris, Jan and Dean, etc.) that found much of its inspiration on the beaches of LA.

The same logic applies to such notable sports figures as Michael Jordan. No matter how hard you try, you can't dissociate him from Chicago. He may not have been born in Chicago, but you can't go anywhere in the world without mentioning Chicago and not hear someone yell out Michael Jordan's name; Chi-town is where he made his bread and butter and paved his way into sports history.

Same goes with Kobe Bryant. He came to our city a young High School kid out of Suburban Philadephia(whom many of us remember shooting those airballs in the Western Conference Finals against the Utah JAZZ) blossoming into one of the most clutch players in the history of the game today. Sure, Shaq may have helped him win a Championship or two but I doubt most Angelenos would claim Shaq as one of their own, for Shaq has repeatedly dissed the City this very day, whereas Kobe has embraced the city he loves and vice versa. Kobe came here a kid out of PHILLY, but LA is where he became a man in the basketball world.

How could I have forgotten about Kwanza in my original list? There are duplicates starting to show up in the list but I dont think anyone has mentioned:

158. The Kosher burrito.
159. Hot wheels.
160 The Tommy burp gun.

Also I don't think the first animated cartoons started out here although the first sound, color, and full length drawn animated cartoons did.
I know LA wasn't even the start of Walt Disneys' cartoon making. Way before Steamboat Willie, Disney made a series of features under the general name "Alice in Cartoonland from his studio in Kansas City.


The Kosher burrito? LOL :lol: That's a good one! :lol:

^^ You never had a Kosher burrito before?
OMG to die for...... you are in LA?

^^ You never had a Kosher burrito before? OMG to die for!

I've been to Kosher Chinese restaurants, but I've yet to try a Kosher burrito!:cheers:

He wasn't eating fortune cookies, was he?

No, dude. I was the big Hawaiian guy in the corner trippin' on acid.

160. Taco Bell

But I did have my big Mickey Mouse ears on! :D

Walt Disney the man doesn't count, but the Walt Disney Company does.

Then why is Disneyland on that list?

As for Nixon being "fully a credit to OC," he was raised in Whittier, LA County.

Disneyland is on the list because it was planned by the Disney corporation in Burbank. In fact the original planned site for Disneyland was supposed to be somewhere between the Disney studio and Griffith Park but building the Ventura freeway got in the way.

Nixon was not born in Whittier, he was born in Yorba Linda and went to high school in Fullerton as well as Whittier. He did attend and graduate from Whittier college. I have to give you half points though because I honestly thought Whittier was in the OC. And I checked that his congressional district (the 12th) was in LA county. Since he went to the Senate from LA I guess we do have to claim him. I think his longtime residence in San Clemente shows where his heart really was. And when he left San Clemente, he moved to New York.


I do stand corrected on the location of Whittier, I guess I have lived on the west side too long and have gotten a little hazy on the location of the county line. I guess Whittier just felt more OC to me, but I guess we have to add Richard to the list. (Though it breaks my Democratic heart).

The interesting thing to me is that by your criteria, Nixon would have to be credited to Orange county(Last time I looked Yorba Linda was still in the OC), but by mine we can claim him for LA.

was El Pollo Loco already listed? didn't it start in LA?

161. Coffee Bean and Tea Leaf
162. Goat cheese and smoked salmon pizza.

What about Hooter's, was that started in LA as well?

What about Hooter's, was that started in LA as well?

Clearwater, Florida:

http://www.hooters.com/company/about_hooters/

We didn't get a Hooters in Los Angeles until relatively recently.

was El Pollo Loco already listed? didn't it start in LA?

El Pollo Loco is a chain that started in Mexico, but the first franchise in the USA is located on Alvarado Street. Yoshinoya is another chain that started in another country and had its first American store in Los Angeles.

^^
SVS makes a great point...

Many inventions, ideas, people, etc. may not have originated in LA, but it doesn't discount the fact that the "City of Angels" is where they became a force to be reckoned with.

So by that logic, Neil Armstrong isn't from Ohio but The Moon???? I mean, that was where he became a historical figure...

That also means that John Lennon was from NY, Mother Teresa was from India and Gen. Douglas MacArthur was from the Philippines.

So by that logic, Neil Armstrong isn't from Ohio but The Moon???? I mean, that was where he became a historical figure...

That also means that John Lennon was from NY, Mother Teresa was from India and Gen. Douglas MacArthur was from the Philippines.

Do you have a degree in pedantry? Neil Armstrong was not on the moon long enough to give him citizenship from outer space. Likewise Douglas Macarthur, who traveled to the Phillippines on assignment. I find your comparisons kind of specious.

I would accept Mother Teresa as a credit to india even though she was born in the Balkans as her most productive work was done there.

Relax and loosen up. This thread is supposed to be informative and fun. Its obvious we have different definition of what constitutes an Angeleno. There is really no need to get argumentative. And I think we all know how to use google and wikipedia by now.

What about Hooter's, was that started in LA as well?

Hooter's was relatively late to LA, I remember them all through the South and East ten years before I saw one in LA.

161. Coffee Bean and Tea Leaf
162. Goat cheese and smoked salmon pizza.

163. Mochi ice cream
164. Los Angeles Film Fest
165. Panda Inn & Panda Express
166. CPK (California Pizza Kitchen)
167. Chinese chicken salad
168. Koo Koo Roo's
169. The Playboy Mansion
170. Frederick's of Hollywood
171. Hustler Magazine (Larry Flynt Publications)

...im not thinking panda express should be listed as a positive controbution

163. Mochi ice cream
164. Los Angeles Film Fest
165. Panda Inn & Panda Express
166. CPK (California Pizza Kitchen)
167. Chinese chicken salad
168. Koo Koo Roo's
169. The Playboy Mansion
170. Frederick's of Hollywood
171. Hustler Magazine (Larry Flynt Publications)

Not sure about Mochi ice cream, but the first Playboy mansion was in Chicago. Hustler Magazine started in Ohio. Those should come off the list.

, but the first Playboy mansion was in Chicago.


And the first "Wrigley Field" was in Los Angeles!

Relax and loosen up. This thread is supposed to be informative and fun.

Oh, I know, I'm having lots of fun annoying you. :lol:

172. hot Dog on a stick
173. KROQ

Not sure about Mochi ice cream, but the first Playboy mansion was in Chicago. Hustler Magazine started in Ohio. Those should come off the list.


Mikawaya has been in Los Angeles since 1910 and in 1993 the company introduced to us "mochi ice cream". By the way there's a Mikawaya at the Japanese Village in Little Tokyo.

http://www.mikawayausa.com/www/about.shtml

"but the first Playboy mansion was in Chicago"

Yes, apparently the first Playboy Mansion was located in Chicago...but the Playboy Mansion that everyone most associates with celebrities, topless Playboy bunnies on the lawns, the infamous pool-side orgies, etc....is the Playboy Mansion in Holmby Hills, which has been burned into the American cultural psyche since the early 1970's. Not to mention that Hugh Hefner has been living their since 1971 and most everyone you'll ever talk to refers to this Playboy Mansion in discussion as opposed to the one in Chicago.

"Hustler Magazine started in Ohio"

Hustler may have started in Ohio... but L.F.P, INC. (Larry Flynt Publications) is based in LA and it helps that Larry Flynt often calls Los Angeles home. Also, Larry Flynt's Hustler chain stores started in LA with its flagship store on Sunset Blvd in WestHollywood and his enterprise also owns the Hustler Casino in Gardena.

I'm not an expert on this and I recognize that Mikawaya has been around a long time but this is from Wikipedia and seems to give Japan the credit for the innovation. I do believe we were probably the first city in the US to have this treat as we have the biggest Japanese American population in the US.

Mochi ice cream is a confection made from mochi (pulverized sticky rice) with an ice cream filling.

Originally created by Lotte, a Japanese/Korean confectionery company as Yukimi Daifukuin 1981,[1] mochi ice cream is now an internationally recognized food. Current marketing names include Mikawaya's "Mochi Ice Cream" in the United States (also utilized by other companies). Mikawaya Bakery-Confectionery in Little Tokyo, Los Angeles, California began marketing its version of mochi ice cream in 1993. [2]

I'm not an expert on this and I recognize that Mikawaya has been around a long time but this is from Wikipedia and seems to give Japan the credit for the innovation. I do believe we were probably the first city in the US to have this treat as we have the biggest Japanese American population in the US.

Mochi ice cream is a confection made from mochi (pulverized sticky rice) with an ice cream filling.

Originally created by Lotte, a Japanese/Korean confectionery company as Yukimi Daifukuin 1981,[1] mochi ice cream is now an internationally recognized food. Current marketing names include Mikawaya's "Mochi Ice Cream" in the United States (also utilized by other companies). Mikawaya Bakery-Confectionery in Little Tokyo, Los Angeles, California began marketing its version of mochi ice cream in 1993. [2]




Lotte gets credited for coming up with the "wataboshi" version, which is a bite size ice cream wrapped in a thin layer of marshmellows. But the mochi version most of us are familiar with today is credited to Joel Friedman, CFO and husband of Frances Hashimoto of Mikawaya. The marshmellow covered version of mochi ice cream is often thought as too sweet by Western standards. Joel wanted to meld together the tastes of both EAST and WESt, hence vanilla or whatever flavor (green tea, mango, strawberry, chocolate, etc.) and covering it up with traditional style mochi (sticky rice)...which is composed of two layers: an outer mochi shell, and inner ice cream core.

Since we have so many wikiphiles here...here's a reference from wikipedia:

Joel Friedman and Frances Hashimoto, business coworkers and a married couple, are the co-inventors of mochi ice cream — coincidentally, both are also representitave of the main cultural components of the food, mochi and western style ice cream. Hashimoto was heir to Mikawaya Bakery-Confectionery, originally a mom and pop store in Little Tokyo, with speciality in manju; Joel Friedman was Chief Financial Officer of Mikawaya during the creation process. Research and development took over a decade to realize the mass production form seen today, due to the complex interactions of the ingredients. [4]

http://www.sushiandtofu.com/sushi_and_tofu/features_mochiIceCream.htm

Mikawaya has been in Los Angeles since 1910 and in 1993 the company introduced to us "mochi ice cream". By the way there's a Mikawaya at the Japanese Village in Little Tokyo.


I had no idea it was that recent...I thought it started back in the '50s or something...Love that stuff though. I'd finish a box of Green Tea in like 40 seconds.

"but the first Playboy mansion was in Chicago"

Yes, apparently the first Playboy Mansion was located in Chicago...but the Playboy Mansion that everyone most associates with celebrities, topless Playboy bunnies on the lawns, the infamous pool-side orgies, etc....is the Playboy Mansion in Holmby Hills, which has been burned into the American cultural psyche since the early 1970's. Not to mention that Hugh Hefner has been living their since 1971 and most everyone you'll ever talk to refers to this Playboy Mansion in discussion as opposed to the one in Chicago.

"Hustler Magazine started in Ohio"

Hustler may have started in Ohio... but L.F.P, INC. (Larry Flynt Publications) is based in LA and it helps that Larry Flynt often calls Los Angeles home. Also, Larry Flynt's Hustler chain stores started in LA with its flagship store on Sunset Blvd in WestHollywood and his enterprise also owns the Hustler Casino in Gardena.

Please don't get the Chicago trolls started by denying the origin of the playboy mansion. There were naked bunnies swimming in the mansion pool in Chicago way before Hef moved to Holmby.

I've also had the dubious honor of meeting Larry Flynt on more than one occasion. Please let Ohio take credit for Hustler. With our porn industry here, we don't need to add this one to the list. Although the Hustler casino, shop, and Porn Star Walk of Fame are local contributions.

And the first "Wrigley Field" was in Los Angeles!

Wrong again, oh mighty pedant! Wrigley field in Chicago was built in 1916 as the home of the Chicago Whales of the long departed and mostly forgotten Federal league. Wrigley field in LA was built in 1924.

As Casey Stengel (by the way another of LA's contributions to the world) used to say, "You could look it up."

174. Casey Stengel
175. Beach Boys
176. Dick Dale
177. Doors
178. Byrds
179. Mommas and Poppas
180. Mothers of Invention.
181. Love
182. Micheal Tilson Thomas
183. John Cage
184. Los Lobos
185. Tijuana Brass
186. Baha Marimba Band
187. Buffalo Springfield
188. Monkees
189. X
190. Bangles
191. Go-gos
192. Dr. Faustus
193. Mother Courage and her Children
194. Snoop Dogg
195. Smoked salmon and goat cheese pizza

Wrong again, oh mighty pedant! Wrigley field in Chicago was built in 1916 as the home of the Chicago Whales of the long departed and mostly forgotten Federal league. Wrigley field in LA was built in 1924.


Ahhh, but you are forgetting the fact that the Chicago stadium was originally built as Weeghman Park (and later renamed Cubs Park). It wasn't "Wrigley Field" until 1926, two years after the Los Angeles stadium opened.

That's what I meant about Los Angeles having the first "Wrigley Field." Hence the quotes in my original post.

Touche.

As Casey Stengel (by the way another of LA's contributions to the world) used to say, "You could look it up."

Not just Wiki but his official website, caseystengel.com lists Kansas City, MO as where he was born and raised. There's no mention of Los Angeles anywhere, aside from the fact that he died in Glendale.

174. Casey Stengel
175. Beach Boys
176. Dick Dale
177. Doors
178. Byrds
179. Mommas and Poppas
180. Mothers of Invention.
181. Love
182. Micheal Tilson Thomas
183. John Cage
184. Los Lobos
185. Tijuana Brass
186. Baha Marimba Band
187. Buffalo Springfield
188. Monkees
189. X
190. Bangles
191. Go-gos
192. Dr. Faustus
193. Mother Courage and her Children
194. Snoop Dogg
195. Smoked salmon and goat cheese pizza

If you're going the music route now...

196. Randy N ewman
197. Van Halen
198. Guns N Roses
199. Barry White
200. Charles Mingus
201. The Black Eyed Peas
202. WAR
203. Tone Loc
204. The Bangles
205. The Blasters
206. Hiroshima
207. N.W.A.
208. Dr. Dre
209. Ice Cube
210. Weird Al Yankovic
211. Linkin Park
212. Red Hot Chili Peppers
213. Jane's Addiction
214. Buddy Collette
215. Oingo Boingo
216. Danny Elfman
217. Brandy
218. Berlin
219. Ozomatli
220. Toto
221. Ice-T
222. The Rhodes Piano
223. The Fender Stratocaster
224. The Fender Precision Bass
225. the digital drum machine
226. The Leslie Organ Speaker
227. Multi-track Recording
228. MIDI (Musical Instrument Digital Interface)

Not just Wiki but his official website, caseystengel.com lists Kansas City, MO as where he was born and raised. There's no mention of Los Angeles anywhere, aside from the fact that he died in Glendale.

I hve always thought he was raised in Glendale. I know he is buried in Forrest Lawn. He has a great monument with reproduction of his Hall of Fame plaque on it. It looks like you may have got me again.

I know the music list is incomplete, the contributions to popular music made in LA tend to extend to "infinity and beyond".

I hve always thought he was raised in Glendale. I know he is buried in Forrest Lawn. He has a great monument with reproduction of his Hall of Fame plaque on it. It looks like you may have got me again.

I know the music list is incomplete, the contributions to popular music made in LA tend to extend to "infinity and beyond".

Well look at it this way, Kansas City may have given Stengel to the world, but Glendale gave him to the afterworld!

Well look at it this way, Kansas City may have given Stengel to the world, but Glendale gave him to the afterworld!

:) :) :)

If you're going the music route now...

196. Randy N ewman
197. Van Halen
198. Guns N Roses
199. Barry White
200. Charles Mingus
201. The Black Eyed Peas
202. WAR
203. Tone Loc
204. The Bangles
205. The Blasters
206. Hiroshima
207. N.W.A.
208. Dr. Dre
209. Ice Cube
210. Weird Al Yankovic
211. Linkin Park
212. Red Hot Chili Peppers
213. Jane's Addiction
214. Buddy Collette
215. Oingo Boingo
216. Danny Elfman
217. Brandy
218. Berlin
219. Ozomatli
220. Toto
221. Ice-T
222. The Rhodes Piano
223. The Fender Stratocaster
224. The Fender Precision Bass
225. the digital drum machine
226. The Leslie Organ Speaker
227. Multi-track Recording
228. MIDI (Musical Instrument Digital Interface)




^^ And the list goes on and on and on more than the energizer bunny:lol:

^^ And the list goes on and on and on more than the energizer bunny:lol:

229. Hard Rock Cafe
230. See's Candies
231. Guess Inc.
232. Wienerschnitzel
233. Hewlett Packard
234. Bank of America
235. Union 76
246. Continental Airlines
247. 20th Century Fox
248. Columbia Pictures
249. Sizzler's Restaurants
250. Von's Grocery
251. Ralph's Grocery
252. Pacific Theaters
253. Mann Theater
254. Farmers Insurance
255. Traffic Lights
256. Sunkist
257. Norman Mailer
258. Robert Redford
259. Gene Hackman
260. Nicolas cage
261. Rene Russo
262. Joel Sigel
263. Kevin Costner
264. Michael Keaton
265. Bridget Fonda
266. Michelle Kwan(world famous ice skater)
267. Barry Bonds(steroids-loving home run hitter):lol:
268. Angelina Jolie(Brangelina?)
269. Ashley Judd
270. Christine Ricci
271. Frank Gifford (sports announcer)
272. Jamie Lee Curtis
273. Oscar De La Hoya(light weight boxer)
274. Randy N ewman(songwriter)
275. Paul Williams (architect)
276. Lucie Arnaz
277. Home Savings of America
278. Tyra Banks(super model)
279. Natalie Cole(singer and daughter of Nat King Cole)
280. Julia Child(celeb chef)

233. Hewlett Packard
234. Bank of America
246. Continental Airlines
255. Traffic Lights



Hewlett Packard started in Palo Alto, CA.
B of A started in San Francisco.
Continental started in El Paso, TX.
The first traffic light was invented in England in 1868.

I always thought Julia Child was British but she really was from Pasadena.

229. Hard Rock Cafe
257. Norman Mailer


Pretty sure the first Hard Rock Cafe was in London. Norman Mailer was born in New Jersey, grew up in Brooklyn, went to school at Harvard and mostly lived in New York. even though he has spent some time out here, I don't really think we can claim him.

Pretty sure the first Hard Rock Cafe was in London. Norman Mailer was born in New Jersey, grew up in Brooklyn, went to school at Harvard and mostly lived in New York. even though he has spent some time out here, I don't really think we can claim him.

Hard Rock Cafe is a technical call...you're right it started in London, but was named after a Doors song which was named after a long-gone cafe in Downtown LA. But unlike McDonalds (where the original was in San Bernardino but the chain started in Chicago), the namesake Hard Rock Cafe in DTLA bears no resemblance to the famous restaurants with rock memorabilia hanging on the walls and devastatingly overpriced hamburgers. But for all intents and purposes, Hard Rock Cafe - as the world knows it - did not start in Los Angeles.

Hard Rock Cafe is a technical call...you're right it started in London, but was named after a Doors song which was named after a long-gone cafe in Downtown LA. But unlike McDonalds (where the original was in San Bernardino but the chain started in Chicago), the namesake Hard Rock Cafe in DTLA bears no resemblance to the famous restaurants with rock memorabilia hanging on the walls and devastatingly overpriced hamburgers. But for all intents and purposes, Hard Rock Cafe - as the world knows it - did not start in Los Angeles.

My G-d, you're actually supporting me. Its a first.:banana:

Did he not mentioned about leaving the differences on the side on a another thread?

My G-d, you're actually supporting me. Its a first.:banana:

Most of the time you're wrong. But when you are right, I have to give credit where credit is due :)

Most of the time you're wrong. But when you are right, I have to give credit where credit is due :)




No, most of he time, I am Correct, but you do manage to find the few mistakes I make with appaling regularity. You just don't comment on the correct ones. But I forgive you.

No, most of he time, I am Correct, but you do manage to find the few mistakes I make with appaling regularity. You just don't comment on the correct ones. But I forgive you.


Okay you're both right and I'm wrong. Happy?:lol: Now let's give peace a chance in 2007...:cheers: