lol, I want to see this happen, if you do manage to break into the USA team, hows to organise us VIP passes.

No doubt Durby....lol....imma hooked yall up ...

Rand Stadium is currently being renovated and the area around it have received a slight of improvement as it has always been well taken care of.

It won't receive major renovations.

No doubt Durby....lol....imma hooked yall up ...

lol, you da man!

@DennisRodman97:
We want that signed :D

u got it!

The 2010 media centre winner has been announced. Congrats JHB! Sorry CT and Durbs...

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PRETORIA
Joburg to host 2010 broadcast centre

Tue, 24 Jul 2007
Cabinet has approved Johannesburg as host city for the 2010 Soccer World Cup International Broadcast Centre (IBC), government spokesman Themba Maseko said on Tuesday.

Speaking after a regular cabinet briefing on Tuesday morning, Maseko said the Local Organising Committee's recommendation that Johannesburg host the centre was approved by cabinet.

"The IBC will enhance South Africa's migration into the new model of high definition television and new broadcasting technology," Maseko said.

Cape Town and Durban were the other two cities that submitted bids to host the IBC.

It was expected that the centre would host over 2000 journalists that would provide television coverage as well as radio, newspaper and internet reports on the 2010 Soccer World Cup.

Sapa

http://iafrica.com/news/sa/266247.htm

Below, how the influential International Herlad Tribune reported on the matter. For SA's sake, I hope the media centre is not beset by power failures as that's going to do wonders for SA's image abroad. In that regard, Durbs would have been the safest bet.

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Johannesburg chosen as broadcast center for 2010 World Cup

The Associated Press
Published: July 24, 2007

CAPE TOWN, South Africa: Johannesburg beat rival bids from Cape Town and Durban to host the international broadcast center for the 2010 World Cup.

Government spokesman Themba Maseko said the tournament's organizing committee recommended Johannesburg, which is part of South Africa's industrial and business heartland.

Maseko said the new broadcast center would "enhance South Africa's migration into the new model of high definition television and new broadcasting technology."

South Africa's communications infrastructure is well behind standards in the United States, Europe and Asia. Domestic and business customers often have to wait weeks for a standard telephone connection and months for broadband.

Sentech, the national broadcast signal distributor, has said it will upgrade its digital transmission to meet the demands of a global television audience. State-owned power company Eskom has pledged to improve the electricity supply network, which regularly plunges large areas of Johannesburg into darkness.

Johannesburg is also the base for the organizing committee and the venue for the opening and final matches.

Cape Town and Durban both argued that their scenic coastal locations made them a more attractive base for international broadcasters.


http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/07/24/sports/AF-SPT-SOC-WCup-2010-Media.php

Government spokesman Themba Maseko said the tournament's organizing committee recommended Johannesburg, which is part of South Africa's industrial and business heartland.

Why do I get the feeling that when the national government is involved in taking such decissions they tend to favour Johannesburg against Cape Town... I think CT would make a much more attractive base for the foreign media, as their bidders suggested.

However, congrats to Joburg.

johannesburg opening match, johannesburg final match, johannesburg 15 matches, johannesburg fifa congress, johannesburg 2010 media centre

oh dear...a bit too late.

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CTICC to straddle N2

By Anel Powell

The long-awaited expansion of the Cape Town International Convention Centre across the Foreshore could start within the next few months with completion possible by 2010, says Premier Ebrahim Rasool.

He announced at Monday's conference of the Southern African Association for the Conference Industry (Saaci) that the department of public works has agreed to cede Customs House to the Cape Town International Convention Centre (CTICC), with "a few conditions".

This was welcomed as "extremely good news" by CTICC's general manager, Dirk Elzinga.

He said Convenco, the holding company of the CTICC, had been in talks with the department of public works even before the centre was opened in 2003.

Discussions about the extension across the N2 in the location of the current Customs House, were "more or less finalised" in 2006, he said.

But Convenco is still waiting for final confirmation from the national department that the CTICC can expand to the Foreshore.

Elzinga said on Monday that Convenco needed between two- and-a-half and three years to build the structure, which would add an extra 10 000m2 of exhibition space to the CTICC.

He said Convenco was ready to start construction as the architectural designs and most of the planning had already been done.

Cape Town is still in the running to host the International Broadcasting Centre for the World Cup in 2010, which would attract an expected 5 000 international journalists to the city, and the construction of the new section would strengthen its chance of beating Johannesburg to the hosting rights.

Elzinga said Rasool had discussed the expansion of the CTICC with the Minister of Public Works, Thoko Didiza, during the weekend's provincial imbizo.

"We have had no indication yet (from the department) but at least the premier has been positive," said Elzinga.

But Lynne Brown, MEC for Finance and Tourism, confirmed later that there was a decision to put Customs House at the disposal of the CTICC.

"The expansion of the CTICC can only benefit the city as a whole.

"If it were to host the International Broadcasting Centre for 2010, it would be an event in itself which would have to be pulled off in such a way that it showcases the city as a can-do venue for business, technical and leisure pursuits."

Both Rasool and Martinus van Schalkwyk, Minister of Environmental Affairs and Tourism, said business tourism would contribute significantly to economic growth in the province.

South Africa is ranked 31st by the International Congress and Convention Association, but Van Schalkwyk said it could make the top 10 by 2010.

Rasool said the CTICC, which has hosted 461 different events, including 35 international and 25 consumer exhibitions in the past year, was "bursting at the seams" and that its expansion across the Foreshore would hopefully coincide with the World Cup.

anel.powell@inl.co.za



* This article was originally published on page 3 of The Cape Times on July 24, 2007

Cape Times

Published on the Web by IOL on 2007-07-24 00:43:00
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Yeah thanks for reminding me from where I got that feeling :)

I hope that nobody feels I'm going against Johannesburg with my comments, it's just that I don't understand why the World Cup organization is so biased towards Joburg.. I'm not saying the city does not deserve it or is not ready for it, no way, what I'm saying is, this is a great oportunity for the country and it should be shared with the other big cities of the country.

Let's think of the cities as people, as staff, honestly, wouldn't you guys choose CT as the public relations? (that would be the media center).

Ive spoken to the 2010 provincial co-ordinator for cape town and she says that FIFA has not yet signed off on Johannesburg hosting the media centre.
I doubt FIFA will oppose the decision.

Well, JHB getting the media centre does not surprise me. If it was left up to central govt, Gauteng would have hosted the entire WC. Well, perhaps first and 2nd round matches would have been allocated to the other cities as charity. With all that activity Mo pointed out taking place in Gauteng, and with Gauteng having the highest crime stats *by far* in the country, let's hope those based / attending there remain safe or it will be a PR disaster for SA.

Well, JHB getting the media centre does not surprise me. If it was left up to central govt, Gauteng would have hosted the entire WC. Well, perhaps first and 2nd round matches would have been allocated to the other cities as charity. With all that activity Mo pointed out taking place in Gauteng, and with Gauteng having the highest crime stats *by far* in the country, let's hope those based / attending there remain safe or it will be a PR disaster for SA.

15 mins to the nearest hotel

Its funny how on 5fm in the 5PM news bulletin - they mention that joburg will host the media centre and then quickly move onto the next topic as tho they were talking about the weather.While here, we are tearing our hair out and going generally insane/more insane about the people who make the decisions (stupid). I live in Joburg and think it shouldve been in CT. i think all you capetonians and durbanites have a right to feel agrieved. its not right...
like the fat bully eating all the cake - that would make a good shapiro cartoon actually

Its funny how on 5fm in the 5PM news bulletin - they mention that joburg will host the media centre and then quickly move onto the next topic as tho they were talking about the weather.While here, we are tearing our hair out and going generally insane/more insane about the people who make the decisions (stupid). I live in Joburg and think it shouldve been in CT. i think all you capetonians and durbanites have a right to feel agrieved. its not right...
like the fat bully eating all the cake - that would make a good shapiro cartoon actually

oh well. I doubt FIFA will go against the decision and undermine the LOC.

12 cranes

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1373/864639729_9db22cc425_o.jpg

Its funny how on 5fm in the 5PM news bulletin - they mention that joburg will host the media centre and then quickly move onto the next topic as tho they were talking about the weather.While here, we are tearing our hair out and going generally insane/more insane about the people who make the decisions (stupid). I live in Joburg and think it shouldve been in CT. i think all you capetonians and durbanites have a right to feel agrieved. its not right...
like the fat bully eating all the cake - that would make a good shapiro cartoon actually

Well it was expected bro, about a month ago they said 1 of the major city's was struck off, that being Durban so it was a 2 horse race bet CT & Joburg & its was'nt a tough guess to see who would get it.

Dont get me wrong, I think Joburg should get quite a few of these events - it just shouldnt get 80% of them!

^^lol, dont we all think that as well ;)

Any reason why the SA government is so biased towards Joburg?

There are reasons. It's not as if the bias is totally illogical. Gauteng (the province that includes Jo'burg and Pretoria and several other less well-known, but large cities) has the greatest concentrations of population and wealth in SA. There are sound reasons for favouring Jo'burg in some cases. Indeed, in some cases, there are necessities for favouring Jo'burg.

Some compensation stuff is coming CT's way. Durbs has prelim draw, JHB has media centre, CT WILL be getting something big....

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South Africa: Fifa to Ratify Cabinet's Approval of IBC Location

BuaNews (Tshwane)

25 July 2007
Posted to the web 25 July 2007

Themba Gadebe
Johannesburg

Johannesburg is awaiting Fifa's ratification of Cabinet's approval of the city to be the venue for the World Cup International Broadcast Centre (IBC) during the 2010 Fifa World Cup.

On Tuesday Cabinet announced the approval of the Local Organising Committees recommendation that Johannesburg be the host of the IBC's state-of-the-art broadcast hub of the world cup.

"Fifa now has to ratify this decision," LOC's Chief Executive Officer Danny Jordaan said, after writing to Fifa informing the world football body of the country's decision.

The IBC will be the nerve centre for the world cup and media streaming would be organised, packaged and sent out from the facility to over 30 billion viewers worldwide. The centre will enhance South Africa's migration into the new model of high definition television and new broadcasting technology.

The decision into the location of the IBC ended the selection process which commenced in November 2006. Mr Jordaan, however, commended the three cities, Cape Town, Durban and Johannesburg, who were bidding to host the IBC for the quality job.

"We are satisfied that the process followed was very thorough. The quality of all the cities' submissions and presentations gave us further assurance that we will have a world-class World Cup in our country in 2010," he said.

To Cape Town, he said, the mother city remained an important part of the World Cup. "The awarding of the IBC to Johannesburg is but one of the many activities of the Organising Committee.

"We still have to award the venue for the World Cup Final Draw, the Fifa Congress and many other events. So it's not the end of the world for Cape Town," said Mr Jordaan.

The two world cup host cities were at the final stage process where they were asked to submit their best final stroke on 18 May 2007.

They were further called to a second presentation and their final work was scrutinised on 21 May 2007. This led to a second evaluation of the two bidders and a verification process on 1 June and the subsequent submission of the report and recommendation to the LOC's Board on 18 June.

The Board accepted the report and designated Johannesburg as the preferred bidder and Cape Town as the reserve bidder. On 25 June 2007, the LOC informed the country's Deputy President Phumzile Mlambo-Ngcuka, of the recommendation of the LOC.

http://allafrica.com/stories/200707250257.html

CT is still holding out hope FIFA will save them from defeat. Knowing FIFA, they just may!

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Joburg to host journalists during 2010

July 25 2007 at 05:08AM

By Beauregard Tromp and Political Bureau

Joburg is the place from where 5 000 journalists will broadcast the first African World Cup to a cumulative audience of more than 30-billion viewers.

The cabinet has approved the 2010 organising committee's decision to locate the International Broadcast Centre (IBC) in Joburg.

Hosting the IBC has been a closely fought affair between Joburg and Cape Town, with a R1-billion cash injection on the line.

Cape Town hasn't acknowledged defeat
Government spokesperson Themba Maseko said on Tuesday: "The cities of Cape Town and eThekwini were the other cities that submitted bids to host the IBC. The IBC will enhance South Africa's migration into the new model of high-definition television and new broadcasting authority."

To ensure maximum media coverage of the World Cup, the facility will be built by the government.

Cape Town hasn't acknowledged defeat, though, saying it is still awaiting the final decision by Fifa.

The organising committee made a decision at the end of June that the IBC should be located in Joburg, with cabinet approval sought because of the massive infrastructure needed.

In February this year, the government seemed to favour either Cape Town or Durban, with Maseko saying the IBC host would probably be a coastal city.

"What was said then is in the past. What matters is what was decided today," Maseko said.

By May, Durban had fallen out of the race after the organising committee approached only Cape Town and Joburg for additional information. "Cape Town submitted its bid to host the IBC to the organising committee. We were told that while it would make a recommendation about the venue, Fifa would make the final decision," said Cape Town bid spokesperson Pieter Cronje.

Cape Town has made a significant investment to host the IBC, with the recent addition of the 10 000sq m Customs House, to be linked to the International Convention Centre via a tunnel underneath Table Bay boulevard.

The Joburg bid committee refused to comment further on the cabinet's endorsement "until we have it in writing from the organising committee", said Sibongile Mazibuko.

On Tuesday, organising committee chief executive Danny Jordaan said details of the location of the IBC would be revealed once Joburg had signed on the dotted line, with Nasrec a likely venue.

Jordaan said in a statement that there were still numerous other activities for which venues had to be awarded, including the World Cup final draw and the Fifa congress.

"So for Cape Town it's not the end of the world," he said.


This article was originally published on page 1 of The Star on July 25, 2007


http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=3015&art_id=vn20070725003116254C327075

Johannesburg is like the new york, london, tokyo of south africa.....so it gets more favor .....imagine england hosting the world cup do u think the media center will be in liverpool or london.

centralisation of too much in a country like ours can only lead to further inequality, poverty and hence violence

Johannesburg is like the new york, london, tokyo of south africa.....so it gets more favor .....imagine england hosting the world cup do u think the media center will be in liverpool or london.

This is the thing, apparently the SA government wants to make Joburg the "NY, London, Tokyo" of SA, which makes me wonder, why Joburg and not CT? Actually, CT is more the "NY, London, Tokyo" city of SA than Joburg.

I don't think the centralization of a country is good...

FIFA will NOT undermine the LOC by selecting Cape Town over Johannesburg.

vZille to review plans for 2010 Greenpoint stadium 7/25/2007 4:21:33 PM
Cape Town Mayor, Helen Zille, has welcomed her mayoral committee's approval of the revised building plans for the new Greenpoint 2010 stadium.

Plans include a hanging roof to deflect noise back to the pitch, a neutral colour scheme and less height.

A special council meeting on Monday must approve these building plans and discuss other 2010-related issues.

its all good....

I am all for Johannesburg as opposed to the lilly white Cape Town. i studied at the University of Cape Town myself 7 years ago and if i remember, i sometimes used to be the only black person in the whole of the V&A Waterfront who was not a cleaner, security guard or working at the shop's counters. No offense, but if this is going to be an African world cup with everyone represented, Johannesburg is more central to everyone and more people in SA call Johannesburg home than Cape Town. Best of all, most Africans are all well represented in Johannesburg.

Isn't it the Cape Townians who have taken a lot of convincing to agree on allowing a "black sport" to come behind their yards. So why sympathize with Cape Town over losing the IBC for this event. They didn't care much about this World Cup until recently. All i remember about Cape Town and SA football is a bunch of peeps always crying foul when Kaizer Chiefs FC has to play in Newlands. All these are valid questions we should consider if Cape Town wants to genuinely represent SA football and not just conveniently reap the benefits of this world cup.

I am all for Johannesburg as opposed to the lilly white Cape Town. i studied at the University of Cape Town myself 7 years ago and if i remember, i sometimes used to be the only black person in the whole of the V&A Waterfront who was not a cleaner, security guard or working at the shop's counters. No offense, but if this is going to be an African world cup with everyone represented, Johannesburg is more central to everyone and more people in SA call Johannesburg home than Cape Town. Best of all, most Africans are all well represented in Johannesburg.

So CT is not "African enough"? And who decides which cities in SA are African enough, you? the ANC? Are white South Africans less South African than you are? because of their skin color?

Maybe South Africa isn't "African" enough then, maybe they should host the World Cup in a country where there aren't lilly white folks, is that it?

I don't know if you noticed, kulani, but you're justifying the marginalisation of Cape Town for racial reasons.

I am all for Johannesburg as opposed to the lilly white Cape Town. i studied at the University of Cape Town myself 7 years ago and if i remember, i sometimes used to be the only black person in the whole of the V&A Waterfront who was not a cleaner, security guard or working at the shop's counters. No offense, but if this is going to be an African world cup with everyone represented, Johannesburg is more central to everyone and more people in SA call Johannesburg home than Cape Town. Best of all, most Africans are all well represented in Johannesburg.

Isn't it the Cape Townians who have taken a lot of convincing to agree on allowing a "black sport" to come behind their yards. So why sympathize with Cape Town over losing the IBC for this event. They didn't care much about this World Cup until recently. All i remember about Cape Town and SA football is a bunch of peeps always crying foul when Kaizer Chiefs FC has to play in Newlands. All these are valid questions we should consider if Cape Town wants to genuinely represent SA football and not just conveniently reap the benefits of this world cup.

Having more black people at the waterfront is no indication of whether the media would enjoy their stay in cape town and whether they would be provided with world class facilities.

Bringing race into this issue stems from something else inside of you and seems almost irrelevant in terms of the IBC. From your point of view Cape Town is not a part of Africa and not South African enough.

Cape Town has cared about the world cup from day one, and has not only "recently" come on board. The world cup bid was launched from cape town.

I currently live in Cape Town and have no doubt that it would provide the best experience for the media of the world and it has nothing to do with fewer black people roaming around the city.

I also do not appreciate not being called an African.
Your outburst stems from an issue inside of you and I do hope that you travel the world, open your eyes and someday sort it out.

So CT is not "African enough"? And who decides which cities in SA are African enough, you? the ANC? Are white South Africans less South African than you are? because of their skin color?

Maybe South Africa isn't "African" enough then, maybe they should host the World Cup in a country where there aren't lilly white folks, is that it?

I don't know if you noticed, kulani, but you're justifying the marginalisation of Cape Town for racial reasons.

No i am not justifying its marginalization, but this World Cup is for Africa and if there is one city in SA that really represents all the people of our country in their diversity it is Johannesburg. Prove me wrong and then i will accept that i am wrong. All of us know the history of this country and i have never been one to dispute the africanness of any white person in SA, but at the same time, perhaps we all should be kind enough to accept that if FIFA World Cup is about mending a divided nation and leaving a lasting legacy as much as it is about sporting, we must ensure that all the people of South Africa and the continent of Africa are able to participate in this world cup and feel that it rightfully belongs to them. Sure Cape Town is our tourism jewel and we would like the world to see it while they are here for 2010, and thats why its hosting the Semi-Final and possibly some of the other events that are still going to be awarded to host cities.

Having more black people at the waterfront is no indication of whether the media would enjoy their stay in cape town and whether they would be provided with world class facilities.

Bringing race into this issue stems from something else inside of you and seems almost irrelevant in terms of the IBC. From your point of view Cape Town is not a part of Africa and not South African enough.

Cape Town has cared about the world cup from day one, and has not only "recently" come on board. The world cup bid was launched from cape town.

I currently live in Cape Town and have no doubt that it would provide the best experience for the media of the world and it has nothing to do with fewer black people roaming around the city.

I also do not appreciate not being called an African.
Your outburst stems from an issue inside of you and I do hope that you travel the world, open your eyes and someday sort it out.

My outburst stems simply from a loss of patience on many so called "cape townians" who actually even wish that city should have been perhaps part of Australia or New Zealand. I have had the opportunity of living 7 years in Cape Town and another 7 years in Johannesburg. And if there is one thing that Joburg people do well compared to Cape Town, is actually recognizing that their city belong to all of us irrespective of color. When i was in Cape Town, you won't believe the amount of racial profiling i used to go through, from malls, clubs, restaurants and Newlands stadium. Maybe it has changed, but black people in Cape Town then we made to feel like they didn't belong there. Sure, i am not making an attach on any individual, but i am not going to hide my feelings.

My outburst stems simply from a loss of patience on many so called "cape townians" who actually even wish that city should have been perhaps part of Australia or New Zealand.

Maybe that would be your own wish...

Maybe it has changed, but black people in Cape Town then we made to feel like they didn't belong there. Sure, i am not making an attach on any individual, but i am not going to hide my feelings.

I see some hipocrisy here... so you're complaning cos people in CT made you feel like you didn't belong there, and now you're speaking about Capetonians as if they didn't belong with South Africa?

No i am not justifying its marginalization, but this World Cup is for Africa and if there is one city in SA that really represents all the people of our country in their diversity it is Johannesburg. Prove me wrong and then i will accept that i am wrong.

First and foremost, this World Cup was awarded to a country called SOUTH AFRICA. There were other AFRICAN countries bidding for the World cup, but South Africa was the winning candidate, so if the WC needs to be representative of something is of the South African reality, which includes more communities than the black ones.

Non - Black people in South Africa have also worked hard to show the world the country is ready to host such an important event, and what do you want to do now, keeping them in the backstreet cos they're not African enough?

This is not Johannesburg World Cup but SOUTH AFRICA's World Cup, and your country is called the Rainbow Nation for a reason, don't you think? You may not like Cape Town, it may not be "black" enough for you, but it doesn't make it less South African, maybe you're not ok with CT being the internationally best known urban centre in SA since they're not predominantly black and.. OMG, they even have a lilly white mayor!

And by the way, I thought choosing the cities for the different events and new facilities was based in their readiness to host the events and not in the color of their inhabitants.

I hear what all you are saying and we all got our reason as to why we saying whatever we saying but at the end of the day Cape Town is in South Africa and in Africa. I do not agree with the race issue as I believe that for all the nations in the world to enjoy what we have is to look far beyond the race issue. If Nelson Madiba Rolihlahla Mandela can see an African in a white man's eyes, who are we not to follow him as that's what he spend 27 years for.

Its like Mr Charles Nqcakula who looked at crime from race perspective while our poor black people are the most suffers of crime. Wrong is wrong and there's not justification for it. All we need to do is to work together as South Africans to make sure that we achieve the best in whatever we do.

- Durban is gonna host the Preliminary Qualifications for 2010
- Joburg will be hosting Soccerex

Why didn't they give CT the media centre? Is it because of a handful people who do not support the 2010 SWC in CT and who said everyone in Joburg or any other city support the SWC 2010?

At the end of the the is all about advertising the country so that more tourist can come and jobs are created for the poor.

this is not a topic im going to get into with you kulani, cape town like every other city has a past, what we can do is try and improve things for all capetonians instead of blaming capetonians for a past it had no power over.
btw coloureds form 50% plus in the province..lets just eliminate all of them so that more blacks roam around the waterfront so thats its more african. tons of black people arent at the waterfront because its not easy to access from townships(for those that live there) and quite frankly many "poor" people go to work and back home and the waterfront does not form part of the leisure activites.

what we can do is stop moaning and improve our transport infrastructure so that all parts of cape town are easily accessible at a reasonable cost.

So CT is not "African enough"? And who decides which cities in SA are African enough, you? the ANC? Are white South Africans less South African than you are? because of their skin color?

Maybe South Africa isn't "African" enough then, maybe they should host the World Cup in a country where there aren't lilly white folks, is that it?

I don't know if you noticed, kulani, but you're justifying the marginalisation of Cape Town for racial reasons.

Anton,

You now have been exposed to the blatant racism of the ANC which seeks a homogeneous and monolithic SA where it rules everywhere like a one-party state. The phrase "not African enough" is a phrase that people of non-African origin, whites, coloureds and Indians have to contend with as there is the cultural war going on about whether there is a place in SA for people of non-Nguni origin. The fact is that everyone in SA except the Khoi and the San are settlers and immigrants. When I say that Africa is for the Africans then everyone living in South Africa whether they are black African, white, coloured, and Indian is an African and is a proud citizen of that great country. This "not African enough" stance of racial nationalism propagated by Africanists whithin the ANC has no place in SA just as the "not white enough" stance of apartheid was eradicated in 1994. South Africa is a pluralistic society and should be a multi-party democracy rather than a one-party state like Zimbabwe. Former President Nelson Mandela once said that famous quote when he was put on trial in 1962 by the apartheid state:

I have fought against white domination and I have fought against black domination, this is an ideal I have longed for and cherish but if need be it is an ideal for which I am prepared to die.

this is not a topic im going to get into with you kulani, cape town like every other city has a past, what we can do is try and improve things for all capetonians instead of blaming capetonians for a past it had no power over.
btw coloureds form 50% plus in the province..lets just eliminate all of them so that more blacks roam around the waterfront so thats its more african. tons of black people arent at the waterfront because its not easy to access from townships(for those that live there) and quite frankly many "poor" people go to work and back home and the waterfront does not form part of the leisure activites.

what we can do is stop moaning and improve our transport infrastructure so that all parts of cape town are easily accessible at a reasonable cost.

Indeed you shoudn't as the race issue should not have been brought up by other forumers when in fact Cape Town is a part of Africa as Johannesburg or Durban are. The fact that most people in Cape Town are of non-Nguni ethnic origin is of no relevance as Capetonians are patriotic South Africans who want their country to succeed as much as citizens elswhere.

I agree with Mosi's point. I understand how many blacks feel about apartheid in SA, and it isn't unjustified-Apartheid was obviously a very bad thing.

But what happens when you eradicate and evil and then adopt practices that ultimately result in you becoming that same evil yourself? In the past, blacks were pre judged and stereotypes unfairly. Apartheid took the stance that south africa was just for whites. Obviously, that was wrong.

But then, what happens when blacks decide that south africa is just for blacks? Have we gotten anywhere?

Apartheid is in the past. Modern day SA has to concentrate on moving forward as a society, not ending up in the same place. Whites, indians, and coloureds are all a part of SA, and as such they too consider it their country and they would like to do anything they can to make it better. The government has to realize that, because at the rate its going it might end up becoming just like the old apartheid government-they stereotyped us as blacks back then, and now the blacks have decided that they want to do the same to whites and other non blacks.

People can't let that happen. If they do, then how far have they really come?

First and foremost, this World Cup was awarded to a country called SOUTH AFRICA. There were other AFRICAN countries bidding for the World cup, but South Africa was the winning candidate, so if the WC needs to be representative of something is of the South African reality, which includes more communities than the black ones.

Non - Black people in South Africa have also worked hard to show the world the country is ready to host such an important event, and what do you want to do now, keeping them in the backstreet cos they're not African enough?

This is not Johannesburg World Cup but SOUTH AFRICA's World Cup, and your country is called the Rainbow Nation for a reason, don't you think? You may not like Cape Town, it may not be "black" enough for you, but it doesn't make it less South African, maybe you're not ok with CT being the internationally best known urban centre in SA since they're not predominantly black and.. OMG, they even have a lilly white mayor!

And by the way, I thought choosing the cities for the different events and new facilities was based in their readiness to host the events and not in the color of their inhabitants.

You talk of a rainbow nation and the World Cup "needs to be representative of something is of the South African reality, which includes more communities than the black ones." Ask any foreigner (even an American) who has spent 6 months in South Africa and who knows the real South Africa and ask them which city represents the reality of the country between Cape Town, Durban and Johannesburg. The South African rainbow reality you are talking about is made up of 79.5% black africans, 9.2% white africans, 8.9% coloured africans and 2.5% indian/asian africans.

For the record, Helen Zille is one of my favourate mayors, because she has demonstrated a true understanding of what has to be done to address the imbalances of the past while creating a city that all its people will be proud of.

I agree with Mosi's point. I understand how many blacks feel about apartheid in SA, and it isn't unjustified-Apartheid was obviously a very bad thing.

But what happens when you eradicate and evil and then adopt practices that ultimately result in you becoming that same evil yourself? In the past, blacks were pre judged and stereotypes unfairly. Apartheid took the stance that south africa was just for whites. Obviously, that was wrong.

But then, what happens when blacks decide that south africa is just for blacks? Have we gotten anywhere?

Apartheid is in the past. Modern day SA has to concentrate on moving forward as a society, not ending up in the same place. Whites, indians, and coloureds are all a part of SA, and as such they too consider it their country and they would like to do anything they can to make it better. The government has to realize that, because at the rate its going it might end up becoming just like the old apartheid government-they stereotyped us as blacks back then, and now the blacks have decided that they want to do the same to whites and other non blacks.

People can't let that happen. If they do, then how far have they really come?

No one in SA deserves to be called an African more than anyone else, because we are all born of and made of Africa. That said, racial representativity in SA is a burning issue given South Africa's past and rightfully so. So lets not mix-up that issue with my argument that Johannesburg deserved to host the IBC due to its true reflection of the entire country that is South Africa in all respects from its people, its cultural, racial, religious and other forms of diversity. Argue with my point on that basis and we can have a more constructive discussion on this as opposed to meddling issues about being african enough or not. You put this in Cape Town and I can only imagine the reporter from ESPN saying but, where are the black people that supposedly should be making 8 out of every 10 south africans.

I have never been a supporter of any form of racial or tribal profiling in this country. But at the same time, white people in this country do it so conveniently everywhere and get away with it (clubs, restaurants, shops etc) and still enjoy the generosity of black people who were kind enough to forget the injustices of the past and decided to move on. So lets not try to hide that reality. I know too many black people who are still subjected to all kinds of racism and people want to tell us to keep quite and join the "rainbow nation". I don't support the ANC's current approach to addressing the racial imbalances of the past, but that does not mean the issues are not there. Enough about this topic.

You talk of a rainbow nation and the World Cup "needs to be representative of something is of the South African reality, which includes more communities than the black ones." Ask any foreigner (even an American) who has spent 6 months in South Africa and who knows the real South Africa and ask them which city represents the reality of the country between Cape Town, Durban and Johannesburg. The South African rainbow reality you are talking about is made up of 79.5% black africans, 9.2% white africans, 8.9% coloured africans and 2.5% indian/asian africans.

and in the western cape that reality is 50% plus coloureds, 26% black and about 18% white..i really hate how this has come down to demographics and race, im actually quite shocked at your way of thinking and i really hope its not passed down to your children. jeez.

I suspect that at least part of the reason for bias towards Joburg by outsiders (non South Africans) is that they assume that this being Africa - only the biggest and richest city can handle anything important. Sadly they have failed to note that of all the big annual events* in SA - it is Durban and Cape Town that host them - successfully nogal.

* Comrades, Durban July, Beach Africa Festival, Duzi, Tourism Indaba, Argus, the Met, 2 Oceans, countless conventions and other events.

and in the western cape that reality is 50% plus coloureds, 26% black and about 18% white..i really hate how this has come down to demographics and race, im actually quite shocked at your way of thinking and i really hope its not passed down to your children. jeez.

Mo Rush, my thinking is very simple, this is a SOUTH AFRICAN World Cup and not a CAPE TOWN or JOHANNESBURG world cup. Which city represents the SOUTH AFRICAN reality better between Cape Town and Johannesburg. Ask any foreigner who has no vested interest in this debate and knows this country well to give you an honest answer. I say Johannesburg and i have valid reasons. Prove me otherwise, and then i will accept that i am wrong. I have nothing against Cape Town. Thanks

I have nothing against Cape Town. Thanks

Of course not, just against those in CT who are not black. Btw, your generalizations about white people only show your own prejudice against any SAn who isn't black. I will take that back when you start supporting Joburg over Cape Town for non racial reasons.

And you were someone who said Mandela is a model to follow? It's easy to say that of course, but you don't seem to put it into practice.

Of course not, just against those in CT who are not black. Btw, your generalizations about white people only show your own prejudice against any SAn who isn't black. I will take that back when you start supporting Joburg over Cape Town for non racial reasons.

And you were someone who said Mandela is a model to follow? It's easy to say that of course, but you don't seem to put it into practice.

Guys, many white South Africans i know of have only the best intentions for their country and i know this. But unfortunately, we have another whole lot, that keep telling us they are immigrating, this place is a cesspool, bla bla bla, and we all know this, you go listen to any dinner conversation and its not difficult to pick this negativity which is wide spread. I don't like generalizing but we all know here that these sort of people still make up a significant section of the white south Africans here by far. They are singing with a loud trumpet and i only hope over time that those positive south Africans like ourselves will prove them wrong.

As for supporting Joburg for other reasons other than the racial composition, look at the history of SA football, and its not difficult to see that Johannesburg is indeed where SA football comes from (home to most SA's major football clubs including some of our best players who have made us proud), its easily accessible and central to the whole country geographically. Its also the transport hub of the country and already most of SA's broadcasting infrastructure is here, SABC and Sentech. Blatter and FIFA wanted this to be an African world cup, remember "WIN IN AFRICA WITH AFRICA" (and please i mean AFRICAN as in a world cup for the CONTINENT) and many of them are well represented by their numbers in Johannesburg (you name it, Zimbabweans, Zambians, Mozambicans, Swazis, Nigerians, Senegalese, Kenyans, Congolese, Somalians, Ethiopians) and they can easily get to Johannesburg by road or air. An extensive highway network and best of all, an opportunity for foreigners to see in one city what Africa looks like and what makes this continent ticks.

Guys, many white South Africans i know of have only the best intentions for their country and i know this. But unfortunately, we have another whole lot, that keep telling us they are immigrating, this place is a cesspool, bla bla bla, and we all know this, you go listen to any dinner conversation and its not difficult to pick this negativity which is wide spread. I don't like generalizing but we all know here that these sort of people still make up the majority of the white south africans here by far. They are singing with a loud trumpet and i only hope over time that those positive south africans like ourselves will prove them wrong.

You know what, I wish you would stop your generalizations about white people, it is wrong when whites do it with blacks, and it's wrong the other way round too. If it was someone doing generalizations about black people you would be outraged, so if you don't want people to be racist with you, why don't you start by not being racist to others?

I don't need to be South African or black to recognise racism when I see it, and maybe this is new for you, but white people can be a target for racism as well, it has happened to me.

You know what, I wish you would stop your generalizations about white people, it is wrong when whites do it with blacks, and it's wrong the other way round too. If it was someone doing generalizations about black people you would be outraged, so if you don't want people to be racist with you, why don't you start by not being racist to others?

I don't need to be South African or black to recognise racism when I see it, and maybe this is new for you, but white people can be a target for racism as well, it has happened to me.

Easier said than done. when you have been subjected to this all your life, its a whole different type of ball game, trust me. You will probably never know. My suggestion is ask a good friend who is black to tell you what its really like.

Racism exist everywhere kulani.....here in America it happens everyday but its just part of life we have to deal with....you dont need stress your fustration and cry out loud for people to hear your call. Racism is part of south africa just like its part of america....you have apartheid we have segregation. Who cares whether joburg or capeTown get the media center...who cares really...its about hosting the best world cup ever...when ur watching a match...would u really be thinking "oh where is this telecast being broadcast from ?? cape or jozi? who give a rat ass.

Dont act like only in SA racism occurs....it happens everywhere....america has recovered for 40 years now....SA is only recovering for the last 15 so years...you guys have a long way to go....for that to go away you guys have to forget the past and move on.

Lets get off this topic and move on to important stuff that matters.
When the 1996 olympic games was awarded to Atlanta...no white person said the city was not white enough...cuz 60% of atlanta is black...its an american city thats all that matters.

This is a very sensitive topic kulani...lets move on to better issues about the world cup rather than who will host the media center...Come on people...so childish.

Guys cut this pathetic debate now. I am all for discussing the merits of each city, but using race as a justification is simply wrong.

We all differ in our views, most of us justifiably believe that most the country is being marginalised in the favour of Joburg. Joburgers obviously dont agree and never do, but u are entitled to that viewpoint. I do hope you manage to cope during 2010, for i honestly am sceptical if you will considering the massive numbers of extra people the city will handle on top of already gridlocked traffic. If the load was spread between cities (like flights at airports) things would be far less congested and would run far smoother.

Debate. But no one raise race again or penalties will have to implemented.

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Guys cut this pathetic debate now. I am all for discussing the merits of each city, but using race as a justification is simply wrong.

We all differ in our views, most of us justifiably believe that most the country is being marginalised in the favour of Joburg. Joburgers obviously dont agree and never do, but u are entitled to that viewpoint. I do hope you manage to cope during 2010, for i honestly am sceptical if you will considering the massive numbers of extra people the city will handle on top of already gridlocked traffic. If the load was spread between cities (like flights at airports) things would be far less congested and would run far smoother.

Debate. But no one raise race again or penalties will have to implemented.

its actually quite pathetic that race has been raised. anyway lets hope some people open their eyes and move on.

On to some actual 2010 news.

Africa: Universal visa mooted for 2010
Environment and tourism ministers from Southern Africa are meeting in Victoria Falls to discuss progress on the introduction of a universal visa. Tourism experts view the universal visa as most critical for the region, one of whose members, South Africa, is hosting the 2010 World Cup. Hassle-free movement, they said, would immensely promote the region's tourism sector and significantly boost their economies. Former chief immigration officer Elasto Mugwadi was instrumental in proposing the uni-visa whose implementation was subsequently hampered by lack of understanding on its benefits and operational modalities. Europe has devised its own type of uni-visa - the Schengen - which qualifies citizens of member states to enter more than 13 European countries, among them France, Belgium, Spain and Portugal.
Full report on the allafrica.com site

Security: Rescue operation augers well for 2010
The bravery, skill and dedication of eThekwini's Fire Department has been commended by city manager Michael Sutcliffe, after one of the largest fires the city has faced in years. Exactly a month since the incident on 25 June, at a 32 storey apartment building and hotel, he expressed the city's gratitude to the nine fire-fighters in his newsletter. 'This would make us all the more confident that we are well positioned to deal with any of the challenges that are thrown our way in the lead up to and staging of the World Cup in 2010,' said the city manager. He explained that if eThekwini is big enough to take up the FIFA Football World Cup challenge, then 'we must be big enough to put our service delivery under the spotlight'.
Full report on the allafrica.com site

Events: New committees to deal with WC projects
The government has initiated the formation of provincial technical committees to deal with the implementation of the 2010 World Cup-related projects. The committees in all the host cities’ provinces will be chaired by Joe Phaahla, director-general of the government’s 2010 World Cup unit. The Sowetan reports that Dan Moyo, the unit’s chief director, said the committees will meet every two months to discuss the progress in preparations for the tournament. 'The responsibility of the committee will be to assist host cities in implementing the activities of the 2009 Confederations Cup and World Cup,' Moyo said.
Full report in The Sowetan

Cities: Boom-time for Nelspruit
Nelspruit is gearing up for thousands of new families moving into the area within the next 2-3 year in the wake of the High Court relocating from Middleberg and the Deeds Office from Pretoria to the new provincial capital of Mpumalanga. 'If you add to this the fact that Nelspruit will be hosting several 2010 World Cup games for which huge infrastructural additions are currently underway, there are many new residents needing homes and, as the city’s profile grows, it is likely to attract an increased number of holiday and retiree investors,' said Craig MacFadyen of Lew Geffen Sotheby’s International Realty Nelspruit.
Full Property Scout report

Events: 2010 workshop for East London
The Eastern Cape provincial government’s 2010 World Cup unit is planing an all-inclusive workshop in East London from August 27 to 29. Gogo Manqoyi, Eastern Cape strategic manager of the World Cup, said the event will deal mainly with the progress being made in preparations for the tournament. 'We want to do a postmortem as a province to check if we are really on track and all the things are done as per the time-frames. We have invited all the stakeholders to this important gathering, including the various departments of government,' said Manqoyi. With the focus more on Port Elizabeth as a World Cup host city, Manqoyi said areas like Mthatha and East London would also benefit with legacy projects.
Full report in The Sowetan

General: Southern Cape eyes 2010 role
As preparations for the 2010 World Cup begin in earnest, it has emerged that the Southern Cape was hoping to encourage at least two teams to base themselves in the region during the tournament. Eden District mayor Rudi Laws told an 'Eden 2010' conference in Mossel Bay that a Section 21 company was being set up to drive preparations. He stressed that the company would need to join forces with the private sector to fund its operations. The Herald reports that no matches are scheduled for the Southern Cape, but Eden hopes to get in on the action by providing training camps for two teams.
Full report in The Herald

Development: When fairy tales come true
Two budding soccer stars who know this are 13-year-olds Lindokuhle Mfeka and Phakamani Mbongwa, who have just landed soccer deals most of their peers daren't even dream about. The boys, from Inanda and Pietermaritzburg respectively, are part of a South African trio that have been offered contracts with Spanish club Barcelona, which boasts international stars like Ronaldinho and Samuel Eto'o. The offer was part of the Aspire Africa Football Dreams programme, powered by Barcelona. The boys are due to leave for Spain in December. The midfielder is known at his school for his sharp vision and quick boots.
Full report in The Mercury

I hate that race card bullshyt....kulani u need to stop b4 i crush u with my wallet.

who cares!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OH dear..its too high..its too big...its going to destroy our lives

By LINDSAY DENTLINGER

Metro Writer

The city's mayoral committee has set aside the objections to two rounds of public comment on the new and final design and building plans for the Green Point Stadium, giving the go-ahead to the city's 2010 team for final approval to be sought.

To date, the construction consortium of Murray and Roberts and WBHO has been building the stadium under two provisional authorisations of the building plans, granted by the city's building control officer in March and June.

After being delayed by a month - for the final wind tunnel testing and acoustic testing to be finalised abroad - yesterday the city's 2010 team was able to put forward the final design plans for the 2010 stadium.

Despite getting mayoral approval, the final plans still have to get authorisation from the full council, which is due to sit next week.

Since the first public comment process during January and February, the design of the stadium was revised to reduce the overall building size and height.

These changes shaved off nearly R1 billion in costs but still keep the stadium within Fifa regulations and with the capacity to seat 68 000.

The revised plans were again put out for public comment during May.

In response to objections, the city's 2010 team said that some objections to the size and height of the stadium could not be entertained, as the stadium would be smaller than is permitted in the area.

"Objectors cannot at this stage validly raise issues relating to the construction of a stadium per se or to its scale or height.

"Insofar as the objections relate to the aesthetics of the proposed structure, they are subjective and would apply equally to almost any stadium," a report to the mayoral committee concluded.

The 2010 team submitted two professional valuers' re-ports in response to claims that the stadium would affect the value of homes in the area.

These reports conclude that there will be no loss of value to surrounding properties.

In fact, the city argues that the adjacent urban park development would have a positive impact on property values.

Wind tunnel tests performed abroad have indicated that no wind-mitigating measures would be required in and around the stadium.

Published on the web by Cape Argus on July 26, 2007.

I hate that race card bullshyt....kulani u need to stop b4 i crush u with my wallet.

who cares!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't like playing that card too. Just don't want the people who will come here to ask, "but where are the black people". I often have to explain this to many people and it gets annoying after a while. We are supposed to be a rainbow nation.

Mike I think its time for you as an administrator to interfere and bring all these people to order. We don't want an racism to stop the beutiful work that all have done to this forum. Kulani, Anton and all others, could you please stop politicising this forum.

One thing I like about this forum is that we are all focused on the good news about our country and that shows how passionate we are and I hope politics won't blind us.

My sis works for one of the structural engineers sub-contracted to greenpoint and sent me some pictures this morning. Not sure if these have been already shown here, but will paste them anyway.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1127/914753396_fb27a8f869_o.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1085/914751736_3d3b9f2b40_o.jpg

Hey Kulani,

Is that the final design, I think its a great design and CT should go for it.

If possible please get us the night view of the deisgn.

I hate that race card bullshyt....kulani u need to stop b4 i crush u with my wallet.

who cares!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

dude, how big is your wallet? lol

If possible please get us the night view of the deisgn.


This is all she sent me, the other pictures (cross section view etc) i think Mo Rush has posted here already. Funny enough Flickr seems to shrink these pictures, because they were more high resolution when i received them from her.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1007/914752002_187832a8da_o.jpg

dude, how big is your wallet? lol

im loaded durby....:D....i aint broke like u lol

Then hows a loan, I saw these neat pair of Bowers and Wilkins tall boys at the mall yesterday, that a slightly out of my price range :D

oh u need a job then cuz i loaning u shyt lmao.........haha .......hits durby with a brick on da head lol.......

Thanks Kuls.

oh u need a job then cuz i loaning u shyt lmao.........haha .......hits durby with a brick on da head lol.......

lol

Guys please move over to the new WC thread, this one is going to the relics.