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DUBAI: Burj Dubai (700m/850m) Part 23




General Information
Height: 700m to 850m (Official height held as a secret)
Floors: 160 or more
Start: March 2004
Finish: December 2008
Architect: Skidmore, Owings & Merrill (SOM)
Developer: EMAAR Properties

"The World’s Tallest Building" going up in Dubai, EAU. The tower will be so tall the developers want to keep the tower's height a secret all the way to its official opening schedule in December 2008. The world famous architect firm SOM (Skidmore, Owings & Merrill) is behind the 465 000m² large office, residential, retail and hotel tower which is situated in the heart of Dubai, close to the exlusive Sheikh Zayed Road and close Business Bay.

When completed, it will hold the record in all four categories as recognized by the Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat (i.e., highest structure, roof, antenna and occupied floor) and have the highest publicly accessible observation deck. The tip of the spire can be seen by a person 95 km (60 miles) away. A person in the Observation Deck can see as far away as 80 km (50 miles), which is more than twice the distance from Dubai to Al Ain. The design of the Burj Dubai is derived from the geometries of the desert flower and the patterning systems embodied in Islamic architecture. It combines these historical and cultural influences with cutting-edge technology to achieve a high-performance building which will set the new standard for development in the Middle East and become the model for the future of the city of Dubai.

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More renderings

A new Supertall
The sky is no limit to Milam

http://www.lvbusinesspress.com/content/articles/2006/12/07/news/iq_110969742.jpg

Air Force, FAA objections won't fell tower project, developer says
BY DAVID MCKEE

Austin-based developer Christopher Milam is thinking big. Texas-sized big, as in erecting the tallest building in the U.S. on the former site of the Wet 'n Wild aquatic park. Virtually the entire 27-acre parcel would be consumed by the casino "podium," as envisioned by Steelman Design Group, from which will arise a 142-story spire. Modeled on Skidmore Owings & Merrill's Burj Dubai skyscraper, this obelisk will top out at 1,888 feet ... a height that is presently sticking in the craws of Nellis Air Force Base and the Federal Aviation Administration.

Despite the opposition arrayed against him, not to mention the inherent challenge of building a $4.8 billion, 5,000-unit, condo-hotel resort, Milam seems serene -- sufficiently so to balance playing with his toddler while discussing a technical challenge that might faze even a character like Howard Roark of The Fountainhead.

Given the amount of construction tied up by Project CityCenter, how long will it be before you can line up a substantial quantity of materials and labor?


Courtesy LVT1
As conceived by Skidmore, Owings & Merrill and Steelman Design Group, the Las Vegas Tower's casino floor, commercial spaces and parking garage would cover almost the entirety of the former Wet 'n Wild site. Above it would rise an 1,888-foot skyscraper. At present, the tallest hotel tower on the Strip is Wynn Las Vegas, at 600 feet. The Venetian's Palazzo tower, when finished, will reach 642 feet.



Courtesy LVT1



Courtesy LVT1




That's evolved a lot in the last six months. Projects which were going to get done didn't get done. Availability of labor and materials, while still tight, it's not a constricting issue the way people thought it was going to be. Plus the cost of commodities is falling. We're not, in the last six to nine months, seeing anything like the increases in prices -- steel, cement, glass -- that we were in the past. Which would make a lot of sense, because the heat is out of the property markets now and construction is down considerably.

What's the design concept?

It basically has three legs and it happens to be, from a structural-engineering perspective, the most efficient tall-building form. As long as you maintain a proper aspect ratio with those three legs, you can basically go as tall as you want. Burj Dubai is much taller than this building but this is considerably larger in mass.

Why did you gravitate to that particular design?

We wanted to do a tall building, which meant we had to be north of the Strip, far enough away from McCarran. Everything in Las Vegas has its 'set' and, in the past, that has been a theme: You're in Paris or Venice or Greece. We wanted to do real architecture, what we call a 'high modern,' important architectural statement. In a very basic business sense, I guess you could say that the tallness of the building is our thing. It's our hook, if you will. It's the next step beyond in the evolution of the Strip.

The underlying property is still titled to Archon. When is the sale going to close?

The option, we have until sometime in October of '07 to close. So sometime between now and then, when we are ready to start construction.

If you were to run into adversity as far as the design, would you not go through with the purchase?

No, it's a tremendous asset. There are always issues, no matter what you're doing. If you want to be successful at development, you spend the time, the effort and the money to work through the issues and come up with something that works for everyone.

As far as the height itself, Nellis AFB registers objections to the project as submitted. Also, the FAA says it's notified you of a "presumed hazard." Given those objections, how do you intend to move forward?

Those are two separate issues and we are working with both the FAA and Nellis, and have been for some months. With respect to Nellis, they have a general policy of opposing tall buildings, for obvious reasons, but it's an issue that can be resolved.

As far as the FAA is concerned, any building over 200 feet tall within a five-mile radius of McCarran is determined by regulation to be a hazard to air navigation. So every hotel on the Strip is a Part 77 obstruction, technically. That's why they issued the DNH. Everybody gets issued a DNH. We're in the middle of the process to determine if the building does present a hazard and -- if it does -- how to make it not. We have a consultant in Washington who's working directly with the FAA.

So you're taking it to the top?

No, we're actually working from the bottom up, which is the way you do it. But we haven't yet responded to the obstruction finding because we're doing our homework and then we'll respond formally to the FAA.

So is the 1,888-foot height non-negotiable?

We think that will ultimately be found to not be a hazard and that's where we wanted to be. The reason is that makes it the tallest building in the U.S. The next-tallest building is the Freedom Tower in New York, which was World Trade (Center), which is 1,776 (feet). They're locked into that number for obvious reasons. You don't build a building this tall and make it a little shorter than the one they just built. That's not a good approach to marketing, if you will.

^you should have put links to previous threads. oh well
interesting about the Austin tower 575m. im starting to think 300m isnt tall anymore.
anyway here are some diagrams from previous thread

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http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/6736/burjearshr6.jpg

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good new thread at least ! wen is expected to return imre??? im missing his friday update and the several updates he was tooking of this one ^^

btw any update 4 today?
btw2 why are so expensice those flats they are so litttle!

the reason why is simple.
Its the highest habitable floor!
Emporis now list Burj Dubai as 162 levels ,the 6 levels above 156 are also habitable!there offices if i can remember.
So highest habitable floor is 162 or tier 18./624m./2046ft.
great renders stephan!
What makes the levels above this floor unhabitable?

AS the building tapers, this simply isn't true, with an observation deck on the 160th floor, you would have less than half the useable space, and could not fit as many people in and would make less money. I feel the income is probably the main reason they havent decided to stick it right at the very top.

I guess they could use the concept that is something similar to the one being used at the CN Tower - there is one main observation deck, for which the fee is the standard (normal), and then there is a 2nd observation deck, some 90metres above the 1st; The 2nd deck is much much smaller than the 1st & unable to hold as many people; For this reason, you have to pay extra $$$ to get up there, and it is much more expensive, hence limiting the number of visitors.

I think something like this could work out for Burj Dubai - it works for the CN Tower - and I'm sure there are many people who would spend some extra cash, in order to go a few metres higher.

There were quite a few broken pics on the second to last page of the last thread. The same ones the floorplans were posted on "bandwidth exceeded" can somebody repost them please

I guess they could use the concept that is something similar to the one being used at the CN Tower - there is one main observation deck, for which the fee is the standard (normal), and then there is a 2nd observation deck, some 90metres above the 1st; The 2nd deck is much much smaller than the 1st & unable to hold as many people; For this reason, you have to pay extra $$$ to get up there, and it is much more expensive, hence limiting the number of visitors.

They use this SAME idea for both the Eiffel Tower AND Tokyo Tower. Have 2 observation platforms. A cheaper one at a lower level and a premium one (that has much less capacity) for the higher observation deck. As the higher one has a smaller floor area it makes a lot of sense to do this. I hope somebody reconsiders and puts one up near 600-700m.

They use this SAME idea for both the Eiffel Tower AND Tokyo Tower. Have 2 observation platforms. A cheaper one at a lower level and a premium one (that has much less capacity) for the higher observation deck. As the higher one has a smaller floor area it makes a lot of sense to do this. I hope somebody reconsiders and puts one up near 600-700m.


I think they just might end up placing a premium Ob deck higher up, It could be the main OB deck is revealed in their plans but there still could be other smaller OB decks still.

i had a question, how come they needed 30 floor's just for communication and what ever else there using it for ? and why should they put in the fastest elevators in the world with a speed of 700m/min (42.3 kmh / 26.1 mph) ? if the floor's won't be even close to being 700m occupied if you look at CULWULLA diagrams. it show's that ?

Megatower, None of us know what is going to happen at the top of this building. All we can go by is the information that has come out. Culwulla has gone over all the information and made his diagram accordingly. There are not answers here to your questions about why it was designed the way it appears it has been designed, or if it really will end up the way it looks it will. I don't know if you have heard, but Emaar is very secretive about this project. None of us are going to truly know how it will end up until it happens. I would recommend patience, and to sit back and watch this project rise. Once they are done, then we can discuss the merits of what they did or did not do. Right now everything is conjecture and educated guesses, and therefore not worth getting worked up about.

^^ i know:lol:, so that could mean that the last occupied floor level could be at 705m:lol: since you did say "Emaar is very secretive about this project. None of us are going to truly know how it will end up until it happens" so the people against my wish could be wrong, wow i can't wait for this tower to be done:)

Looking majestic alrady, nice progress!

Pictures of models taken at Cityscape 2006 - Dubai

http://www.ccjr.name/upload/photos/cityscape_14.jpg

http://www.ccjr.name/upload/photos/cityscape_15.jpg

http://www.ccjr.name/upload/photos/cityscape_16.jpg

nice. but where are the updates? :ohno:

Posted by UAE Condor in Part 22 Today

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What are those 2 towers behind The Emaar Towers?
http://www.ccjr.name/upload/photos/cityscape_16.jpg

Another wonderful thread for Bujr Dubai, I like the shots of the models and the render.

great photos !!!!!!!!!! what a super project, i like the super mall !

"Milam tower modeled after the Burj Dubai.."

am i the only one that doesnt see it?

at least wings started to rise again ^^

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How do you put the links up for threads and is facade going to be on there before 2007 start

How do you put the links up for threads and is facade going to be on there before 2007 start

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3) Enter the thread's adress into the first window that appear, then press Ok. Then its done.

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then you have to write what you want in the second part of the URL that appear after you have
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Understandable? :D

how tall is know????

Still no facade?, What a tease man wow.

:bash:

i count 92 floors in latest pic or 331m.
this was my estimate for NYE at beginnig of 2006.
so looks like it will be mid 90's or 350m? wow.

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It's increditall!:)

will see the facade!!!

i think the wings r completed to the height of about 140m

Wonderful 92 floors..

Seems quite recent:

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eabul

Original size (http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=318471453&size=o)

business hub seems to approach completion.

^that is nice one

Seems quite recent:

http://static.flickr.com/123/318471453_6af3ed9703_b.jpg

eabul

Original size (http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=318471453&size=o)

Amazing pic :drool:

i was passin by the BD today morning .. n the few panels of glass tht were up fer testing were nomore ... this cud either mean tht the test was succesful n tht hopefully they'll start claddin within a day or two ... or it cud mean ... wat we all fear would (but hopefully shudnt) happen - claddin test FAIL - yet again !! .. but then again ..these are jest MY opinions...
:ohno: :ohno:

but .. am an optimist .. so i believe the cladding will (or rather should ) start tommoro .. or latest by tuesday !!

by the way.. has it officially earned the record for the tallest structure without cladding ..??:nuts: i have heard a lot of stuff(INFORMATIVE) from u guys bt this .. with all mixed up figures.. not tht i dun trust u guys .. jes wanna know has the Board of wateva or whoever .. given it tht title ??

facade where r u? lol

wonderful pic

That is an amazing picture. It looks massive compared to the towers behind and thats not because of perspective.

facade where r u? lol

not anytime soon

i was passin by the BD today morning .. n the few panels of glass tht were up fer testing were nomore

I was noticing on that last picture posted that it looked like the test cladding was gone. Thanks for the confirmation. This could mean that the contractors are on site and ready to begin. We should know within 2 or 3 days.

Pictures of models taken at Cityscape 2006 - Dubai

http://www.ccjr.name/upload/photos/cityscape_14.jpg

http://www.ccjr.name/upload/photos/cityscape_15.jpg

http://www.ccjr.name/upload/photos/cityscape_16.jpg

i can't believe these are only 705M Burj Dubai model, i thought these were 850M model's of the Burj Dubai. how come Emaar hasn't shown a 800M+ model yet, ? i wonder why . i bet they bullshitted about it being over 800M+

i can't believe these are only 705M Burj Dubai model, i thought these were 850M model's of the Burj Dubai. how come Emaar hasn't shown a 800M+ model yet, ? i wonder why . i bet they bullshitted about it being over 800M+

I think is because they want to mantain in secret the heigh of the building.

^^ I really hope So

as the tower gets taller and more narrow, does that mean it will rise faster as there is less floor to build? or would it get slower as it gets higher because it might get more difficult higher up?

I think is because they want to mantain in secret the heigh of the building.
but to me it make's no sence. why not for once show a model that's more then 705M. and if they wanted to maintain in secret the height of the building. why did they make a public announcement at the end of June 2006 a height of 2650ft (807.7m) was made public ?. since they did that, why not make a model of a 807.7m model? to me it makes no sense

as the tower gets taller and more narrow, does that mean it will rise faster as there is less floor to build? or would it get slower as it gets higher because it might get more difficult higher up?

We will have to wait and see but my bet is it will stay reasonably steady due to less material needed for the decreasing floor slab offset by the height this material needs to be transported.

However, because of the sheer height of this project, it is experimental/innovative and there may be complications which could delay it such as the pumping system not working according to plan or unexpected weakness in materials/design.


but to me it make's no sence. why not for once show a model that's more then 705M. and if they wanted to maintain in secret the height of the building. why did they make a public announcement at the end of June 2006 a height of 2650ft (807.7m) was made public ?. since they did that, why not make a model of a 807.7m model? to me it makes no sense

I dont think there has been any official announcment of that nature.

^^ yes there has been Domenico

^^ yes there has been Domenico

Can you please post it, thank you.

i have to go and look for the source, but here's were it say's it was made public http://www.dubaimegaprojects.com/

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/7964/3087676160716f7564aorn4.jpg

sorry guys, but ive scaled this model and it works out to be approx 800m.
it even shows where the steel section starts (its lighter coloured). it measures at around 580m. so its definatly the version they are going with.
http://www.ccjr.name/upload/photos/cityscape_16.jpg

The Dubai mall must be huge, compared to the buildings around it...

^i think its gonna be worlds largest? does anyone know its stats? sqm?
how many floors etc.
just imagine how busy it will be around the mall,artificial lake, burj dubai area? wow. the photos will be incredible.The Burj lake hotel will be very popular as it has a perfect vista of burj Dubai etc.

I was talking about this on the alpe-adria/zagreb caffe thread, and I'll translate it from croatian to english for you. I believe it is rather important.

Is the Burj Dubai a disaster waiting to happen? The thing that scares me about this tower is that in a case of an attack like 9/11, firemen have absolutely no chance of saving trapped people above the some-sorf-of-impact.

What are the measures against a multifloor fire in BD? Is it designed to cope with heavy attacks? There is obviously smaller risk of attack, because it is being built where it is being built, but never the less, there is a great risk.

Imagine a greater damage and an evolving multifloor fire above 70-80th floors.
The sprinkler system would fain again (it simply can not cope with such an attack) and the firemen could not climb to such heights, because most elevators won't work.
9/11 showed us that merely two firemen reached the 78.th floor in cca 50 minutes. They were exhausted, unable to do much, carying a whole load of stuff.

What about helicopter evacuation? If I'm not mistaken, Burj Dubai doesn't have any plans for helipads on higher sections, and even if it had, hot smoke crawling up the facade would be a great hazard.

The tower is getting narrower each 10 or so floors, and there is no enough room for efficient water tanks at the upper floors. Plus, the huge top section is made of steel.

How well protected is the core of this tower? While the damaged floors are on fire, the core should remain virtually unaffected to allow water and firemen up, workers down, and to avoid the spread of hot smoke which causes adjacent fires. From the blueprints I saw, the core is not so well protected. It is too close to the perimeter.
The tower is so narrow and slender at the top that it can get heavily damaged with even a smaller plane than B707, originally designed to impact WTC in NY.
What about new planes? Airbuses?!

Firefighting capabilities today are not enough for towers higher than 300 m, let alone 750, 808, 960? :ohno:

modern skyscrapers are usually very well planned to withstand in the fire attack. there are special technical floors to prevent fire go upper of them, special antifire systems that can prevent a fire at the beginning etc.

modern skyscrapers are usually very well planned to withstand in the fire attack. there are special technical floors to prevent fire go upper of them, special antifire systems that can prevent a fire at the beginning etc.

Exactly, so were the Twin Towers. They were extremely well built, built to avoid fire spreading ("defend in place"). But not when you have punctured walls.
Most if not almost all skyscrapers of close heights would shatter at the point of impact of such objects or very soon after that, or would be at the tipping point of destruction.

But here I'm talking about destruction of structural components followed by a multifloor fire. That's one hell of a difference.
Not fire that starts in one/few places, but few fires that start on significant portions of damaged floors.

The only help for people trapped above the damaged area would be B.A.S.E. parachutes. The tower is tall enough to climb all the way to the top and jump.

Oh!! You are right Culwulla! :) That model is the 800m version. It seems that they are going for that height. However, I think there is still room for stretching the top a bit more, to get the appearence showed in the renders and in other models. Compare the Cityscape's model with these:

http://static.flickr.com/59/161581799_dbd3e6a412.jpghttp://www.burjdubaiskyscraper.com/2005/renders/new-burj-design.jpg

These seem somewhat a bit more stretched, although it may be because of perspective, or because of the (poor) quality of Cityscape's model. Anyway, for me these are a lot more proportional and more beautiful.

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Look at this image posted previously:

http://static.flickr.com/115/312920403_379edfaa76_b.jpg

Look at the lower part of the image, in the center of the lake. I was wondering what was that irregular shaped hole with all that working going on it. After looking at the downtown model, it seems that they are working on the fountains.

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New images (although more than 3 days old, because there are the facade tests):

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Original size! (http://static.flickr.com/140/319465111_3e8840575f_o.jpg)

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Original size! (http://static.flickr.com/135/319469895_e437dbf075_o.jpg)

Credits to m_tebas.

twin towers weren't actually so modern comparing to skyscrapers of late 90's and 00's.

and as far as i know. fire is not able to destroy highly durable reinforced concrete.

and there was a faq on federationtower site. the one question was saying - what will happen to the tower, if boeing 747 with full fuel tanks will crash into.
an answer was - nothing.

"The tower is so narrow and slender at the top that it can get heavily damaged with even a smaller plane than B707, originally designed to impact WTC in NY."


what are you talking about endimion17??

twin towers weren't actually so modern comparing to skyscrapers of late 90's and 00's.

and as far as i know. fire is not able to destroy highly durable reinforced concrete.

and there was a faq on federationtower site. the one question was saying - what will happen to the tower, if boeing 747 with full fuel tanks will crash into.
an answer was - nothing.

well, I'm not saying that Burj Dubai would completely collapse, not even that localized collapse would occur (it might very well, but let us leave that for now).
I am talking about the threat of a developing and spreading multifloor fire in a building that has been structurally damaged at the point so high that classic firefighting is useless. I wonder how no one understands what I'm talking about.
Twin Towers were impacted with a smaller 767 with half-loaded tanks. The fuel was consumed in less than 10 minutes and what was left was a punctured building with burning offices. At the point of collapse (WTC1) the fire was out on the initial spaces, and began burning as high enough as 103rd and 104th floor. That's because the core was breached, and hot gasses could climb up and cause local flashovers.

Burj Dubai has its core very close to the perimeter, and if it got breached, there is nothing that could stop the fire.
You'd get a 800 meter fire stack with thousands of people desperately trying to climb higher using only stairwell, because elevators are offline.
This is an ordinary building. The fact it's so freakishly tall doesn't mean that is would be safe from such an attack. Durable reinforced concrete is VERY subjectable to fire. It bursts and cracks because of the water coming out.
I love tall buildings, but I wouldn't want to work there.


Regarding the Federation tower (lovely building, indeed), saying that nothing would happen if a fully loaded 747 impacts it is at top speed a load of c*ap. Propaganda.
No building is safe from such thing. Except nuclear reactor shields.

^^ If i am correct there are no staircases in the core until 500m(not sure if it is exactly 500m but there abouts. Up until that point there is 1 staircase in each wing. Would grymes be able to comment on the fire effects on reinfored concrete.
I'm quite sure that all reasonable safety precautions that could have been taken, have been taken.
Your more likely to get hurt driving your car to work than you would be at work.

BTW - Amazing panoramic picture Fazlur. Makes BD look HUGE!!!

The fire resistance of reinforced concrete is better than that of steel, but concrete is far from being a perfectly fire resistant material. concrete has a low thermal conductivity so it will not conduct heat as rapidly as steel. However, as heat is consumed by the concrete the free water in the cement paste will evaporate, causing cracking and spalling. At temperatures beyond 600-800C you will begin to see decomposition of the hydration products. At this point, the insulation is actually increased because the decomposed area is going to have an even lower thermal conductivity. The water loss and decomposition do however have a tremendous effect on strength loss and a high amount of shrinkage.

So, a concrete core CAN remain stable for several hours of fire exposure, but the damage incurred to other less massive parts of the structure may be irrepairable.

...There is obviously smaller risk of attack, because it is being built where it is being built...

IDIOT :bash:

As for the rest of the rant, Architects and structural enginers at SOM (with countless supertalls in their portfoglio) surely knows better then people comming from places with hardly anything above 100 meters ever build.

but to me it make's no sence. why not for once show a model that's more then 705M. and if they wanted to maintain in secret the height of the building. why did they make a public announcement at the end of June 2006 a height of 2650ft (807.7m) was made public ?. since they did that, why not make a model of a 807.7m model? to me it makes no sense

Yes, you have the reason, it's strange that they haven't built a model of 807m if they annaunced before.

Wonderful picture about Bujd Dubai and skyline of Dubai, in the picture you can see almost everything, Dubai Marina, Burj Dubai, everything.

^^ they neither confirmed a 705m model nor 807m model.

It has always been above 850m according to Emaar chairman :)

grymes56
this all means that a well insulated steel beam is better than an well insulated concrete pillar becuase the worst thing that can occur is slight plastic deformation. concrete, however, would experience massive shrinkage and bursting, not only because of its chemical composition, but because it poorly conducts the heat.
In a fire, the free water would disrupt the continuity of the concrete mass, and accompanied by the force of the supporting floors, the pillar would begin to burst and pulverize, leaving a sagging reinforced steel holding chunks of concrete. that is a common behaviour.
While the structural steel can even "jump back" to its original state (if it was subjected to elastic deformation only), concrete is something that looses practicaly all strength, turns to dust and has to be removed.

However, I gues no one really understands what am I talking about. I am not talking about Burj Dubai collapsing.
I am talking about the horror of incapability of putting out such high fires. There is no way fire I described below could be stopped. We do not have those systems. You have a building with local disruptance of structural components, and you have almost global disruptance of the sealing throughout the tower. The heat and the combustible gasses climb and occupy the areas, and suddenly, a flashover, and you've got yourself a new fire. The residents have to climb higher and higher, until there are no more floors. They die. Numerous high-rise fires have shown that firefighting is impossible with spreading multifloor fires.

Can someone finally PLEASE tell me what are the measures against this in Burj Dubai?
Burj Dubai is not a fortress. It is a normal building. And it is subjectable to such attacks. My only question is cited above. Answers, please. No trashing, no trolling.
I'm not questioning the sheer beauty of this building. I'm just asking a simple question.


AltinD
there is no need for trashing. If you do not know what am I talking about (I do know, it is important, and Burj Dubai is not spared if it) don't participate in the debate. Spare yourself of unpleasant thoughts... :dunno:

^^ You have to realise most people on this forum aren't experts on this stuff and are either teenagers or bored students like myself.

My answer to your question is "I don't know" and I'm sure most people who'll reply will be somewhat talking out of their ass. Detailed plans are hard to find on the burj, if they weren't then everyone would have known the specific height long ago.
I presume a lot of work at this height would be done by chopper, especially rescuing people on top. Couldn't they land on the setbacks? :dunno: They'll definitely have to have a good firefighting system including loads of choppers anyway because of all the other new towers aswell.
Also don't forget that this tower will never in a million years have 50,000 people inside. Why? Because this is a mostly res / hotel tower with only a few small offices on top. It should have only 3,000 or so. Not sure if refuge floors will be built but they might, not sure. There's a set of 3 mechanical floors every once in a while, maybe one of those is a refuge floor. :dunno:

Wonderful picture about Bujd Dubai and skyline of Dubai, in the picture you can see almost everything, Dubai Marina, Burj Dubai, everything.

That's not the marina, it's the South Ridge (BD complex) + The Residences (BD complex) + Excutive Towers (Business Bay) + Millenium + others. Dubai Marina is 18 - 20 Km to the left :)

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I've seen at SSP that Las Vegas Tower (575m) has been designed by Adrian Smith (well, nearly all the team is the same as Burj's). It has been stated at SSP by the owner of the (future, I hope!!) tower and IDM (the company that is going to develop it), Christopher F. Milam. And yes, it seems that he really is Milam :nuts:, because he has posted very useful info that can only come from the very inside (a good read (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?p=2501462#post2501462) - he talks also about BD and about the 3 winged shape). He has linked these images (http://www.pbase.com/cmilam/lvt). Look at this:

http://k43.pbase.com/o6/48/733348/1/71490295.94a16RTo.LVTSection.JPG

Floor plan nearly identical to Burj's :)

Adrian Smith left SOM in October, to form Smith&Gill with Gordon Gill (another ex-SOM). Now they work for SOM as consultants for these projects (BD, Trump, LVT ...). In the Sun Times article (here (http://www.suntimes.com/business/106002,CST-FIN-adrian22.article)) appeared a photo where you can see them with several models:

http://media1.suntimes.com/nixoncds/image/20061021_16_55_58_217-0-0.imageContent

You can see the Burj, and out of scale a model of LVT. Also in the background you can see a big model of the LVT. In October I wondered what was that building... Now I know that it's LVT!!! ;)

Note this: Burj Dubai = Dubai Tower
Las Vegas Tower
:)
Good to link the name, the tower and the place. Good for making icons ;)

being the operator of the cranes on top has to be the most scariest job in this business!!

You can see the Burj, and out of scale a model of LVT.
Thanks for pointing that out. :cheers:

For Endimion17 and Malec:

A technical article posted sometime ago: here (http://www.construction.com/NewsCenter/TechnologyCenter/Headlines/archive/2006/ENR_1106b.asp)

Something to note: I high-rise building don't have to stand to big events like a plane fully loaded full speed; it has to permit scape for its occupants in a safely and a fast way. A lot of studies post 9/11 concluded that the efforts have to be done over the planes-airports rather than over the buildings, because if not, it would be totally cost-ineffective (= no more tall buildings ever). Of course, apart from those big events, the building has to stand to the smaller ones.

And read THIS (http://archive.gulfnews.com/articles/06/07/21/10053995.html).

I extract an interesting part about safety:

Fire safety

A major factor in designing the tower was fire safety and speed of evacuation.

When doing calculations, designers assumed the tower contained 35,000 people although in reality the number is likely to be less than half this.

Concrete surrounds all stairs and there is a 5,500kg capacity elevator for firefighters and building service work.

"People cannot be expected to walk down 160 floors, so there are pressurised air-conditioned refuge areas approximately every 25 floors where they could wait safely or rest on the way down," said architect Eric Tomich.

Officials will not reveal how long a total evacuation would take, but insist they are "very happy" with how the building would perform in an emergency.

"We've looked at different scenarios and the focus is on ensuring people can leave safely and easily," said Greg Sang, Emaar's assistant director, projects.

And I add that Burj Dubai is going to be the first skyscraper of its class that is going to permit the use of elevators in case of emergency.

The concrete used for the vertical elements (and that surrounds all vertical communications: elevators, stairs...) is grade 80 (that is very very strong, as Grymes said).

And we can say that the tower is going to hold around 15,000 people on average (not 3,000, Malec ;)).

I hope all of this helps.

That's not the marina, it's the South Ridge (BD complex) + The Residences (BD complex) + Excutive Towers (Business Bay) + Millenium + others. Dubai Marina is 18 - 20 Km to the left :)

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I've seen at SSP that Las Vegas Tower (575m) has been designed by Adrian Smith (well, nearly all the team is the same as Burj's). It has been stated at SSP by the owner of the (future, I hope!!) tower and IDM (the company that is going to develop it), Christopher F. Milam. And yes, it seems that he really is Milam :nuts:, because he has posted very useful info that can only come from the very inside (a good read (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?p=2501462#post2501462) - he talks also about BD and about the 3 winged shape). He has linked these images (http://www.pbase.com/cmilam/lvt). Look at this:

http://k43.pbase.com/o6/48/733348/1/71490295.94a16RTo.LVTSection.JPG

Floor plan nearly identical to Burj's :)

Adrian Smith left SOM in October, to form Smith&Gill with Gordon Gill (another ex-SOM). Now they work for SOM as consultants for these projects (BD, Trump, LVT ...). In the Sun Times article (here (http://www.suntimes.com/business/106002,CST-FIN-adrian22.article)) appeared a photo where you can see them with several models:

http://media1.suntimes.com/nixoncds/image/20061021_16_55_58_217-0-0.imageContent

You can see the Burj, and out of scale a model of LVT. Also in the background you can see a big model of the LVT. In October I wondered what was that building... Now I know that it's LVT!!! ;)

Note this: Burj Dubai = Dubai Tower
Las Vegas Tower
:)
Good to link the name, the tower and the place. Good for making icons ;)


the yardstick of the models couldn't be right.....when yes BD must be over 1000m tall ^^

For Endimion17 and Malec:

A technical article posted sometime ago: here (http://www.construction.com/NewsCenter/TechnologyCenter/Headlines/archive/2006/ENR_1106b.asp)

Something to note: I high-rise building don't have to stand to big events like a plane fully loaded full speed; it has to permit scape for its occupants in a safely and a fast way. A lot of studies post 9/11 concluded that the efforts have to be done over the planes-airports rather than over the buildings, because if not, it would be totally cost-ineffective (= no more tall buildings ever). Of course, apart from those big events, the building has to stand to the smaller ones.

And read THIS (http://archive.gulfnews.com/articles/06/07/21/10053995.html).

I extract an interesting part about safety:

Fire safety

A major factor in designing the tower was fire safety and speed of evacuation.

When doing calculations, designers assumed the tower contained 35,000 people although in reality the number is likely to be less than half this.

Concrete surrounds all stairs and there is a 5,500kg capacity elevator for firefighters and building service work.

"People cannot be expected to walk down 160 floors, so there are pressurised air-conditioned refuge areas approximately every 25 floors where they could wait safely or rest on the way down," said architect Eric Tomich.

Officials will not reveal how long a total evacuation would take, but insist they are "very happy" with how the building would perform in an emergency.

"We've looked at different scenarios and the focus is on ensuring people can leave safely and easily," said Greg Sang, Emaar's assistant director, projects.

And I add that Burj Dubai is going to be the first skyscraper of its class that is going to permit the use of elevators in case of emergency.

The concrete used for the vertical elements (and that surrounds all vertical communications: elevators, stairs...) is grade 80 (that is very very strong, as Grymes said).

And we can say that the tower is going to hold around 15,000 people on average (not 3,000, Malec ;)).

I hope all of this helps.

FAZLUR ... nice info .. i was lookin fer this info .. thnx

a little PS...

http://i13.tinypic.com/2zho9hx.jpg

sorry guys, but ive scaled this model and it works out to be approx 800m.
it even shows where the steel section starts (its lighter coloured). it measures at around 580m. so its definatly the version they are going with.
http://www.ccjr.name/upload/photos/cityscape_16.jpg
could you draw a line showing steel section starts , and the last occupied floor level, please:)

Oh!! You are right Culwulla! :) That model is the 800m version. It seems that they are going for that height. However, I think there is still room for stretching the top a bit more, to get the appearence showed in the renders and in other models. Compare the Cityscape's model with these:

http://static.flickr.com/59/161581799_dbd3e6a412.jpghttp://www.burjdubaiskyscraper.com/2005/renders/new-burj-design.jpg

These seem somewhat a bit more stretched, although it may be because of perspective, or because of the (poor) quality of Cityscape's model. Anyway, for me these are a lot more proportional and more beautiful.

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Look at this image posted previously:

http://static.flickr.com/115/312920403_379edfaa76_b.jpg

Look at the lower part of the image, in the center of the lake. I was wondering what was that irregular shaped hole with all that working going on it. After looking at the downtown model, it seems that they are working on the fountains.

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New images (although more than 3 days old, because there are the facade tests):

http://static.flickr.com/140/319465111_3e8840575f_b.jpg
Original size! (http://static.flickr.com/140/319465111_3e8840575f_o.jpg)

http://static.flickr.com/135/319469895_e437dbf075_b.jpg
Original size! (http://static.flickr.com/135/319469895_e437dbf075_o.jpg)

Credits to m_tebas. what do you mean by you "think there is still room for stretching the top a bit more" ?

^^ they neither confirmed a 705m model nor 807m model.

It has always been above 850m according to Emaar chairman :)

this 1 http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/9595/40674168tallestbuild3de5.th.gif (http://img245.imageshack.us/my.php?image=40674168tallestbuild3de5.gif), i wish it would be this TALL!!!!!!

For Endimion17 and Malec:

A technical article posted sometime ago: here (http://www.construction.com/NewsCenter/TechnologyCenter/Headlines/archive/2006/ENR_1106b.asp)

Something to note: I high-rise building don't have to stand to big events like a plane fully loaded full speed; it has to permit scape for its occupants in a safely and a fast way. A lot of studies post 9/11 concluded that the efforts have to be done over the planes-airports rather than over the buildings, because if not, it would be totally cost-ineffective (= no more tall buildings ever). Of course, apart from those big events, the building has to stand to the smaller ones.

And read THIS (http://archive.gulfnews.com/articles/06/07/21/10053995.html).

I extract an interesting part about safety:

Fire safety

A major factor in designing the tower was fire safety and speed of evacuation.

When doing calculations, designers assumed the tower contained 35,000 people although in reality the number is likely to be less than half this.

Concrete surrounds all stairs and there is a 5,500kg capacity elevator for firefighters and building service work.

"People cannot be expected to walk down 160 floors, so there are pressurised air-conditioned refuge areas approximately every 25 floors where they could wait safely or rest on the way down," said architect Eric Tomich.

Officials will not reveal how long a total evacuation would take, but insist they are "very happy" with how the building would perform in an emergency.

"We've looked at different scenarios and the focus is on ensuring people can leave safely and easily," said Greg Sang, Emaar's assistant director, projects.

And I add that Burj Dubai is going to be the first skyscraper of its class that is going to permit the use of elevators in case of emergency.

The concrete used for the vertical elements (and that surrounds all vertical communications: elevators, stairs...) is grade 80 (that is very very strong, as Grymes said).

And we can say that the tower is going to hold around 15,000 people on average (not 3,000, Malec ;)).

I hope all of this helps.



thank you very much for posting this!
of course we can't build towers that would be extremely durable. I was pointing out the gutting fire and the response of the tenants.
So, 35 000 people in calculations? Not bad. Each WTC tower had space for ~20 000 folks.
I had no idea they would let elevators run during a disaster. I sure hope the shafts are vertically well isolated. During 9/11, something like 200 people (or even more) were trapped in elevators troughout the towers, and they never got out. Some lived until the collapse, some suffocated.

These things you pointed out are really OK (not like the "fact" that 747 would do nothing to Federation Tower).
It's obvious that the Burj Dubai core is not resistant towards a jet plane, so the vertical spread of fire and smoke is inevitable. If a plane hits Burj Dubai, there will be fire going upwards and gutting the floors. No question. The whole upper part above the impact would probably be gutted.
And that's why I sincerely hope those "defend in place" air-conditioned floors are state of the art, capable of preserving life in an inferno.
Burj Dubai is a beautiful building and I would hate to hate to witness horrible events such as fires there. Let alone the loss of lives.

So they'll definitely will have these refuge floors then? I know some modern towers are doing this but didn't think this had them

Endimion, you don't sound terribly informed -- so don't try and sound like an expert.

Are you a structural engineer? Are you a mechanical engineer? Do you evaluate firewalls? Do you install them? Would you know where to install them? It seems you are trying to come off as if you are more aware of design flaws than the designers themselves.

This is silly.

You don't sound like you have the competence to correctly evaluate the safety of the building. Do you have all the facts or years of design and engineering experience necessary to make such an evaluation? You don't sound like you have that sort of experience. Building safety and engineering work for building fire safety is complex and sophisticated stuff. Respect the work of professionals. There is so much being done to this building for safety, anyone with a modest architecture or engineering background is aware of the work SOM and EMAAR is doing/has done for the safety of its occupants.

EMAAR and SOM are well aware of what to care for and what not to care for in building design.

Do more research before you freak out. Its disrespectful. If you are concerned about the safety of the occupants, that's nice, but know the limits of reasoning or arguing. Without all the facts, both are useless.

Don't see this as a flame, but just a correction.

That's not the marina, it's the South Ridge (BD complex) + The Residences (BD complex) + Excutive Towers (Business Bay) + Millenium + others. Dubai Marina is 18 - 20 Km to the left :)


Sorry about my bad ubication about the skyline of the city, but you have to accept that the picture is amazing.

^^^^ Of course it's amazing!!! I posted it for that reason! ;) :)

could you draw a line showing steel section starts , and the last occupied floor level, please:)

something like this.

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/9250/burjdubelavtca3.jpg

Is the concrete core going to be taller than we are expecting? I was just wandering around Doka's site, and they have posted 180 "steps" at heights of 3.2/3.5/3.7/4.0 Even if all the steps were 3.2 that would come out to 576 which is ten meters less than we are expecting. I would think the average will would be something around 3.5 which would make the concrete part higher than we are expecting. It seems like Doka would have correct information...any thoughts?

Is the concrete core going to be taller than we are expecting? I was just wandering around Doka's site, and they have posted 180 "steps" at heights of 3.2/3.5/3.7/4.0 Even if all the steps were 3.2 that would come out to 576 which is ten meters less than we are expecting. I would think the average will would be something around 3.5 which would make the concrete part higher than we are expecting. It seems like Doka would have correct information...any thoughts?

That's a really good thought but the only thing I can think of to offset that is the fact that the mechanical floors are a good deal higher than 4 meters. Although I too am very tempted to equate one stop = to one floor height, a taller floor or two+ together may need two or three (or more) 4 meter stops to complete them. Still though, there is that possibility I guess. Thanks for pointing that out!

Likewise, thanks to everyone who's given some good info regarding reinforced concrete details. Although again, nothing wrong with speculation, it is nice to hear from good sources as far as I can tell. To think that improved fire protection (sprays, foams, etc.) or a stronger tower / safety would not be examined after 9/11 is just silly, as the increased use of reinforced concrete shows in practically every extremely tall tower U/C at this time.

DOKA is saying 180 steps and 162 floors and indeed the height figures are given for the steps and not floors which may have a double height (2 steps) but still counted as a single floor.

Burj Al Arab comes in mind. The building has "only" 28 floors but still the occupied part goes at least 200 meters. Why so? Becouse all the floors contains only 2 levels of Hotel suites.

AltinD
there is no need for trashing. If you do not know what am I talking about (I do know, it is important, and Burj Dubai is not spared if it) don't participate in the debate. Spare yourself of unpleasant thoughts... :dunno:

You are CLEARLY and OPENLY stating that Burj Dubai is being build by Islamic terrorists, in an Islamic terrorist country and with Islamic terrorists funding, therefore Islamic terrorists will not target it, so yeah there's a need for trashing.

And BTW your ranting about fire safety is so ... 2004 year discussion (in this forum).

You are CLEARLY and OPENLY stating that Burj Dubai is being build by Islamic terrorists, in an Islamic terrorist country and with Islamic terrorists funding, therefore Islamic terrorists will not target it, so yeah there's a need for trashing.

Talk about paranoid political correctness. I read it as it sounded. It's less of a target because it's not in the US. SFA to do with your racist crap.:ohno:

You are CLEARLY and OPENLY stating that Burj Dubai is being build by Islamic terrorists, in an Islamic terrorist country and with Islamic terrorists funding, therefore Islamic terrorists will not target it, so yeah there's a need for trashing.

And BTW your ranting about fire safety is so ... 2004 year discussion (in this forum).

To be fair I'm too sure it's being suggested like that on purpose, I think that comment is a bit over-reactive.

Endminion - it is a dodgy subject to rant about uninformed. There are plenty of discussions on this site and SSN to advise on how the only supertalls on earth that were likely suffer a similar fate to the twin towers were the twin towers themselves, they had an almost UNIQUE design, and therefore UNIQUE weakness - it is not useful or polite to bring it up here.

The Burj Dubai is an absolutely amazing project, and day by day is living up to it's full glory. It is not nice to fill the thread with paranoid rants over safety - it happens on many threads, even on high speed rail threads, by uninformed people stirring up negative emotions and it is not why we all come to this forum - we come to see the positive creation of buildings and places all accross the world and enjoy in the creativity, expertise and progression of the architects, planners and construction teams.

Talk about paranoid political correctness. I read it as it sounded. It's less of a target because it's not in the US. SFA to do with your racist crap.:ohno:

First of all the one who posted that, is not American and the context was very clear, nothing to do with political correctness crap.

As for me being a racist ... LOL ... I'm a white, blonde guy living happily among what most of you call sand******s towelheads (and more then 160 other different nationalities).

new ways to protect buildings, this comes from an article on SOM and the Freedom Tower but Burj Dubai will also have some of these facilities :


http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/4382/terrorproofskyscraper1lz6.jpg

C'mon guys... back to the concrete... :lol:

^^ You mean concrete covered in glass panels ... :D

For sure :lol:

I think the building is seen by Arabs as a symbol of pride. I don`t think anyone would destroy it...

I can imagine that some fundamentalists don't enjoy watching dubai getting closer to the western world. And who knows if the threat is going to come from the muslim world, when the WTC was built, the threat was the soviet union, not the muslim fundamentalists.

Can any1 give us an update on this thing's height? What floor is it on?

You are CLEARLY and OPENLY stating that Burj Dubai is being build by Islamic terrorists, in an Islamic terrorist country and with Islamic terrorists funding, therefore Islamic terrorists will not target it, so yeah there's a need for trashing.

And BTW your ranting about fire safety is so ... 2004 year discussion (in this forum).


no, sorry, but it's you who are trashing.
I said what is obvious. Burj Dubai is not being built in USA, not GB, not any other country that is a current potential target.
I never said Burj Dubai's country is a terrorist country. You put that im my mouth.
What are you, some kind of an edgy ultra-something-fraction when you're jumping on topics that are not complying with the "Burj Dubai is huge, it is great" dogma?
Come on! And then you trash about my country. Why?
It's you who is being nationalistic. Not me. I was pointing out the slight, but potentially huge threat to the building.

Youbloodybeauty, thank you. :)

elfabyanos, I was not talking about the collapse, but about fire gutting. No building can avoid that upon airliner impact.

OK I see that I've offended most people here with something a bit different... :ohno:
Bye.

December 9 th 2006 - Level 93 :master:

http://www.dubaimegaprojects.com/images/06121.jpg

10.12.2006

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/8877/bd121006eabulsm4.jpg

Original:
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/1579/bd121006eabuloa1.th.jpg (http://img175.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bd121006eabuloa1.jpg)

Jesus christ!!!

Hope it will surpass 100th by new year..:)

11.12.2006

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/6990/bd121106mtebaszu5.jpg

Are those birds in the foreground Flamingoes?

http://www.burjdubaiskyscraper.com/2006/burj-dubai-sketch.jpg

I hope this is a fake!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :(:(:(:(:(

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/8960/bd120506creativecc1.jpg

That's a really good thought but the only thing I can think of to offset that is the fact that the mechanical floors are a good deal higher than 4 meters. Although I too am very tempted to equate one stop = to one floor height, a taller floor or two+ together may need two or three (or more) 4 meter stops to complete them. Still though, there is that possibility I guess. Thanks for pointing that out!



Yes I am fully aware of the difference between steps and floors. Some floors take more than one step. The website says 160 floors (for the concrete section) and 180 steps. So, the number of floors is not relevant; it still does not change the numbers of 180 steps and 3.2/3.5/3.7/4.0 meters per step.

Are those birds in the foreground Flamingoes?

Yes they are. That aerea is a Flamingo sanctuary. I had the chance to experience the same view (as in the picture) a week ago and it was amaizing.

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/6318/headleft2hs5.th.jpg (http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=headleft2hs5.jpg) http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/6527/3wp5.th.jpg (http://img206.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3wp5.jpg) http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/9229/4kl6.th.jpg (http://img206.imageshack.us/my.php?image=4kl6.jpg) http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/7246/5uc1.th.jpg (http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=5uc1.jpg)

(Slugbelch)

I got curious to see if the information on Doka's website has changed, so I compared the current page with an archived one from May. The number of floors (in the concrete section) has increased from 147 to 160 BUT the number of steps has stayed the same at 180. I'm not sure what to make of that.

I will ask Santa Claus to own a Crane company in dubai for christmas lol, its crazy!!

Great comparison of actual Burj Dubai and the final Burj Dubai, it's wonderful to compare the actual estructure with the final.

I got curious to see if the information on Doka's website has changed, so I compared the current page with an archived one from May. The number of floors (in the concrete section) has increased from 147 to 160 BUT the number of steps has stayed the same at 180. I'm not sure what to make of that. that's odd. but how high is the concrete section going to be now ? i thought they can't go any higher then 154 floor ?. i think there trying to go for the last occupied floor level to be 180 floor maybe?

^^ Once again, steps and floors are different. I floor may be constructed around a central core rising more then just one level.

180 is the number of levels.

http://www.burjdubaiskyscraper.com/2006/burj-dubai-sketch.jpg

I hope this is a fake!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :(:(:(:(:(

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/8960/bd120506creativecc1.jpg

can't see the 2nd pic. but the first is great, when BD will be as tall as it's shown in the first i can say only WOW.

^^ same here

Originally Posted by CULWULLA
the reason why is simple.
Its the highest habitable floor!
Emporis now list Burj Dubai as 162 levels ,the 6 levels above 156 are also habitable!there offices if i can remember.
So highest habitable floor is 162 or tier 18./624m./2046ft.
great renders stephan!
^^ what i dont get is the last floor the is occupied is the 162 floor right? well the concrete structure stops at 156 floor. well those are 20 foot ceilings!!!! you do the math. 586m =1,922 feet and - that by 624m= 2,047 feet. CULWULLA you said the last occupied floor level will be 162 right? well from 156 to 162. each floor is 20ft high. why in the hell would they needed them to be that height ?. unless there using them for mechanical which there not.

I was a picture of a construction worker falling. It was posted on SSP...

:(

^^ what i dont get is the last floor the is occupied is the 162 floor right? well the concrete structure stops at 156 floor. well those are 20 foot ceilings!!!! you do the math. 586m =1,922 feet and - that by 624m= 2,047 feet. CULWULLA you said the last occupied floor level will be 162 right? well from 156 to 162. each floor is 20ft high. why in the hell would they needed them to be that height ?. unless there using them for mechanical which there not.

If I remember correctly, the office floors will be about 6 meters (probably 2 of the 3.2 meter steps) so 20 feet is about right. Office floors are always much taller than residential ones. Remeber that in an office there is always a lot of room above the ceiling for cabling and all the other infrastructure that an office requires.

how many office floor's will the Burj Dubai have ?

I was a picture of a construction worker falling. It was posted on SSP...

:(

That was a photoshopped picture on flickr, obviously fake

That was a photoshopped picture on flickr, obviously fake


Yes very clearly a fake. The guy said he was tracking the falling worker with his zoom lens, but if that were the case then the background would be blurry and the falling worker would not be.

how many office floor's will the Burj Dubai have ?

If someone had up to date plans with this information, it would have already been posted.

^^ yeah true, but does anybody have a idea of how many, or how many floor's there planing to have with offices

December 12 th 2006 - Level 94 - Height 341.41m - Currently the 16th tallest highrise building in the world!!!!, i was reading this document and
"Adrian Smith is determined to set a record that really lasts." < just wanted to post that :)

^^ You have to realise most people on this forum aren't experts on this stuff and are either teenagers or bored students like myself.

My answer to your question is "I don't know" and I'm sure most people who'll reply will be somewhat talking out of their ass. Detailed plans are hard to find on the burj, if they weren't then everyone would have known the specific height long ago.
I presume a lot of work at this height would be done by chopper, especially rescuing people on top. Couldn't they land on the setbacks? :dunno: They'll definitely have to have a good firefighting system including loads of choppers anyway because of all the other new towers aswell.
Also don't forget that this tower will never in a million years have 50,000 people inside. Why? Because this is a mostly res / hotel tower with only a few small offices on top. It should have only 3,000 or so. Not sure if refuge floors will be built but they might, not sure. There's a set of 3 mechanical floors every once in a while, maybe one of those is a refuge floor. :dunno:

Malec, don't forget to mention the bored graduated students like myself (and aged +30) who use these forums only to look at structures which they'll never build theirselves because they live in a too small country... :wink2:

http://www.burjdubaiskyscraper.com/2006/burj-dubai-sketch.jpg

I hope this is a fake!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :(:(:(:(:(

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/8960/bd120506creativecc1.jpg
its fake. on nov12 burjD was about 300m, thus that render works out to be 1km.
so way to tall. nice try.

its fake. on nov12 burjD was about 300m, thus that render works out to be 1km.
so way to tall. nice try.

He means the other pic
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=10850660#post10850660

Culwulla is totally right. The photo superimposed on the render it's out of scale. Look closely: The third mechanical floor doesn't match at all the one on the render. But anyway, although not so big, it's going to be... wow...

If someone had up to date plans with this information, it would have already been posted.
i found out how many floors are going to have offices. it's going to have a total of 37 Boutique office floors. these offices start at level 140 :weird:

everyone, i have Big news. the Chicago ford ham spire will be the tallest residential tower. it will have residential floor's occupied at 600M!!!!= 1,968 Feet high!!!
but i was wondering if that's the case then the Burj Dubai designers and engineers, architects are hopefully going to push the highest occupied floor levels higher ????

^^ Big news, but not very new. It's hard to speculate about what the BD designers will do since we don't have much up to date news on their plans.

everyone, i have Big news. the Chicago ford ham spire will be the tallest residential tower. it will have residential floor's occupied at 600M!!!!= 1,968 Feet high!!!
but i was wondering if that's the case then the Burj Dubai designers and engineers, architects are hopefully going to push the highest occupied floor levels higher ????
Burj Dubais highest occupied floor will be 162nd or 624m. beats Chicagos spiral tower anyhow.
Burj Dubai is a mixed use tower. Its residential floors are located between fl78/350m-fl108/390m. above this is office and Armani hotel.

^^^^ As far as I know, the Armani Hotel (175 rooms) & Residences (160 apartments) is going to be at the first 35 floors (approx.). Above those, and until level 71 (third mechanical level), the residential floors. Above those, and until level 108 (fourth mech level), the luxury residential. And above those, the offices.

Not necessarily occupiable floors to 2000ft. The last few will be mechanical floors, as will also be the case in the burj. The roof of the burj is at 643m according to that detailed plan posted a while ago

How i would love to have a different fact file thread.

Its nearly impossible to find info from this owing to its number of posts.

When the twin towers of newyork were built, they said it could withstand the impact of a plane(in those days). Wonder if there is some similar claim for the BD?

yay, so my little photoshoped diagram is more accurate :) w00t

SSP:

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/1921/bdrenderad9.th.jpg (http://img206.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bdrenderad9.jpg)

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/2002/bdrender2yw4.jpg

Made out of Red Bull:

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/7905/bdmodelredbullvg9.jpg

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/6216/bd110206renderseigmanceut2.jpg
seigmance

Hi everyone. Do anyone knows anything about that second tower in Dubai??? I mean that one that suppose to compete with Burj Dubai (don't remember the name).

I want to say that You are doing very beautiful work on this forum,I always wet my pants when i see those renderings,I already looking forward to book tickets to Dubai in 2009 when they will finish Burj Dubai.

Regards

Wow, can't believe they are already up to level 93

Hi everyone. Do anyone knows anything about that second tower in Dubai??? I mean that one that suppose to compete with Burj Dubai (don't remember the name).

I want to say that You are doing very beautiful work on this forum,I always wet my pants when i see those renderings,I already looking forward to book tickets to Dubai in 2009 when they will finish Burj Dubai.

Regards

you sure mean Al Burj with 200F, which is proposed/approved for the Madinat Al Arab

A quickly PS

http://i10.tinypic.com/33lkwtl.jpg

A quickly PS




Not bad s a s h a. Looks good. :banana:

mah, in my opinion it's an horrible PS, but it's only to compare this gorgeous tower :)

Anyone think that this middle Eastern building boom will touch off a new race for the world's tallest?

view from lev84/305m!!
ssp
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/691/1vu7zh1.jpg

I like the picture with the skyline of Dubai cover with clouds, it seems like the city is in heaven.

Yeah ^^ LOL

I like the picture with the skyline of Dubai cover with clouds, it seems like the city is in heaven.

those are not clouds :lol:

What a pic!

those are not clouds :lol:
Say what?:eek:

Is that fog or smog? Please say fog.

BD will sure pass the 100th floor by this end of the year. ;)

view from lev84/305m!!
ssp
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/691/1vu7zh1.jpg
just bumpimg it over page

shit thats amazing! reminds of that pic someone took of Chicago with the 3 big daddys above the clouds

guys i opened today a thread for technical discussions of BD. hope you all help if you have any information

a couple never-before-posted from 6 weeks ago:

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/7220/bd111606ddpkm1.jpg

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/5112/bd111806ddptj8.jpg

Nov. 30:http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/1166/bd113006manlangithr9.jpgDec. 5:http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/50/bd1120506on2.jpg
manlangit

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/3025/bdarticle110606gd4.th.jpg (http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bdarticle110606gd4.jpg) http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/3074/bdarticle1106062yo7.th.jpg (http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bdarticle1106062yo7.jpg)

:eek:

Say what?:eek:

Is that fog or smog? Please say fog.

Actually they are clouds, mixed with fog.

wooo awesome pic

Actually they are clouds, mixed with fog.

No, you're wrong, it's small water droplets held in mid air. :)

FOG IS CLOUD stop this stupid argument

Time to open a new "cotton club" thread.

BTW, the pic is amazing!

Explanation of Fog :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fog

Great Pic BTW!

No matter what, that pic is just breath-taking. Dubai... and that's all thas has to be said on the subject :)

quite great shots, thx for posting :)

Actually they are clouds, mixed with fog.

Erm..clouds and fog are the same thing.

what are the names of these tower's ??? http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/7873/bddowntown3su2.th.jpg (http://img343.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bddowntown3su2.jpg). does anybody know the name of the tower's ?

http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/679/asdpy0.jpg

wow, sounds impressive. they seem to have all facts/heights right.
so burj al alam has started? excelent

^^ they missed out on mentioning chicago spire on the list

http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/679/asdpy0.jpg

i wonder.. where is jakarta tower??

And the Las Vegas tower.

^^ n another one in Guangzhou

and ostankino tele tower... the list is really very outdated... there is no more som's tower of russia...
chicago spire is missed as well...

And the Las Vegas tower.

Why should be the Las Vegas tower listed. That is just a proposal that it will take a hell alot of time only to be reviewed, let alone being decided upon aproval or not.

Well they have the center of India which iv never heard of before is that going to be a reality?

lmao @ 'Global Top 10 freestanding structures'!!!

The list is not outdated it's just incomplete, you cannot ask from a journalist to know all the high-rise plans from around the world.

Well if its their job and theyre writing about it then yes they should do reasearch. and whats up with that chick here smile is fake.

^^
The most important thing is that the top two are in Dubai, the rest is not that important for this article.

And for your second remark :tongue:

Why is that you or something? What are you guys going to do when it passes floor 100?

13-14 Dec/2006

Burj Dubai

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Burj Dubai Lake

http://img309.imageshack.us/img309/2036/img6144wj8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

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14 Dec

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http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/5299/img6265gy6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Imre, Welcome back.
An update, great!
Much better than all those non-burj dubai related posts.
I see that they have removed the test panels. Is this a sign that they will start with the facade soon?

This photo is amazing

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/6782/img6117rf9.jpg

Welcome Back Imre !!!!! Nice update !!

Very nice updates !!!!!!!!!!!!

http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/679/asdpy0.jpg

M8 that diagram is very outdated, the centre towerof india was cancelled long time ago as it was flawed project. BTW where is nyc wtc.

13-14 Dec/2006
Burj Dubai

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/5169/img6135vj6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)



What's that? They took down the cladding test and put up a blank wall?

Yes they decided not to have any windows on the burj, so theyre making concret walls instead of.

^^ :lol:

indeed that is somewhat weird.

but the shots are awesome, approaching the 100F slowly..bet we will see some new articles once they reached it.

So they're starting the interior work before the cladding? :lol:

They might even start moving people in before the cladding!

It seems like they're preparing to start to put the windows or something else.

there's what, 106 weeks till completion, 189 floors to clad, so if they started today they would have to clad 1.8 floors a week. Oh dear~

there's what, 106 weeks till completion, 189 floors to clad, so if they started today they would have to clad 1.8 floors a week. Oh dear~

I hope I'm wrong, but without the glass even being started yet. I doesn't look to me like there is any chance of the building being totally finished by Dec 30, 08.

Because of the shape of the building. The amount of glass needed to cover this structure is about 3 times the amount of glass on SWFC when done. :bash:

I hope I'm wrong, but without the glass even being started yet. I doesn't look to me like there is any chance of the building being totally finished by Dec 30, 08.

They've already said it'll be delayed. IMO expect 1 year delay :)

Thanks

December 15th 2006 - Level 95 - Height 346.75m - Currently the 14th tallest highrise building in the world!!!!!!!!!!

I'm guessing that those load transfer walls are already painted because there won't be any way to access them once the cladding is installed due to the building's shape.

4 more meters ...

the white wall is gypsum alkaryi resitant painted wall... i think... they just do that and fill it with heat and humidity insolation before putting the cladding where there is not supposed to be windows.. iam not 100%sure its the case here but that is what i think.

^^ it could be, it could be that white doesn't attract the sun's heat

05 Dec 2006

Burj Al Arab and Burj Dubai

http://img332.imageshack.us/img332/9362/img5179mv6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img332.imageshack.us/img332/2349/img5180zt5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Burj Dubai

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/2822/img5187dp2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/6257/img5188dk0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img332.imageshack.us/img332/6904/img5189uc9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img332.imageshack.us/img332/5738/img5199sw0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Burj and Millenium Tower

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/7947/img5205xd7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img332.imageshack.us/img332/1717/img5214xy5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Burj Dubai from The World

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/1262/img5240ug2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/1849/img5243oh0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

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Burj Dubai and Dubai skyline

http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/2816/img5295ss5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/9917/img5296xl9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Burj Al Arab and Burj Dubai



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Amazing shots! :shocked:

Burj Dubai , Cityscape 2006

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http://img458.imageshack.us/img458/9257/img5658pb8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

thank you so much for the lot pic's imre!!!

Welcome Back Imre!!

Great shots from a boat i presume. BD will look great from the World and PJ when its 800m

:cheers:

Glad to have you back...:)

fantastic


this is the least word one can say 4 these

those shots.. man i can't wait to get back to Dubai i miss this place so much.

Burj Al Arab will be a great skyscraper, but there are better buildings in the world. If i was in Dubai, i was disappointed from this "future-city". The skyline don´t look so good to me. But this is another subject. The Burj Al Arab itself look very good and futuristic!

You will get some of the best views in the world from the world. No pun intended.

Great shots Imre! Millennium Tower can be seen more clearer than I thought it would.

Burj Al Arab will be a great skyscraper

it is ^^

Dubai's skyline is unlike any other one, it's not too clustered like many other cities it's spread out skyscrapers and there's a lot of trees, bridges etc...It's like a big city with a big Disney lol i really like it

Burj Dubai , Cityscape 2006

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/7759/img4927pc0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/8391/img4928fe5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

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i wonder hot tall this model is, more then 807+ i hope. i hope like 850 to 900 :)

Sick updates Imre, great job!:eek:

comercial centers and in sky or situ in a building scrapes?

So they're starting the interior work before the cladding? :lol:

Dont you get it, they are after the record.

- World tallest uncladded skyscraper

And now

- Worlds tallest skyscraper with interior but without cladding

And lastly and two years delayed

- Worlds tallest skyscraper

:banana:

greatest shots ever Imre!!!

thanx for sharing :)

December 15th 2006 - Level 95 - Height 346.75m - Currently the 14th tallest highrise building in the world!!!!!!!!!!



yes correct., only 10 more metres and it surpasses spire of Emirates tower to become dubais tallest
starting to look tall now and its not halfway yet.
great pix guys

^^ ameinfo.com reported today that it reached 329 meters today... im guessing emaar is their source of info

yes correct., only 10 more metres and it surpasses spire of Emirates tower to become dubais tallest
starting to look tall now and its not halfway yet.
great pix guys


CUL how come you have a different height count than the media releases.

95 floors, amazing.

Great pictures of Dubai.

From SSP

Thank you Slugbelch, your very welcome. I'm glad you got to it first. There are only a few people I would like to have found it and you were one of the one's.
Don't worry, I'll be keeping an eye out from a distance.
It is more than my jobs worth to stick around too long. Paranoia is rife in my line of work at the moment.

A few hints:

Pinnacle still not dicided on as far as I know.

Alterations are currently going on to the existing structure.

Cladding not expected iminently.

Futuristic observation deck floors are to be glass bottomed and unlike nothing anyone has ever seen before.

Interactive digital zoom photography in skydeck, shoot and print surrounding area in seconds in viewing gallery.

Office block risen by 3 more floors.

Integrated fiber optics in curtain wall for the most spectacular lighting displays.

Unseen re-design to garden/fountain/lake area.

Counterbalance gimble considered but rejected.

Laser show spire to pierce the night sky.

Currently 6 month topping out delay from original schedule and a 10 month delay until finished.

Re-design changes start at level 72.

Average floor height increased on all upper levels creating a more slender pointy arrowlike shape.

Useable roof height +760m.

Observation deck + 515m.

Highest exterior balcony + 915m.

Nothing would surprise me more if these figure change again, but rest assured one thing. They are never lowered, only raised.

I've said too much already. I will check back again only if I get any more changes. Thanks to all.

A Friend.

according to worldarchitecturenews.com the tower should be completed by mid-2009 :ohno:

From SSP

There was also a link with more info:

Burj Dubai Tower
Construction Period: 1/2/2005 - 30/06/2009
Client: Emaar Properties
Location: Middle East - United Arab Emirates - Dubai
Description: Design and build of a Tower 1011m high comprising: Podium basement - 3 levels; Tower: 216 levels + Spire.
Project value: 816 722 000 EUR - 1 073 857 000 USD
Architect Skidmore Owings & Merrill Ltd
Consulting engineer Hyder Consulting M.E. Ltd

The Burj Dubai is set to become the tallest tower in the world. Gross area: Tower-368,590 m²; Office Building-19,420 m²; Podium & Pool Pavillion-148,650 m². The Tower will combine residential and commercial space, and will include a boutique hotel, recreational facilities, serviced residences, apartments and observatory. It will comprise the Dubai mall, the biggest shopping center in the world.

Levels 0-42: hotel.
Levels 43-140: residential.
Levels 141-142: observatory.
Levels 143-192: offices.
Levels 192-203: private.
Levels 204-216: communications.

burj dubai cross section
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/4894/1000burjcrosssectionte3.jpg

this is the best render that i have ever seen for burj dubai
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/6769/burjrenderingta1.th.jpg (http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=burjrenderingta1.jpg)

There are a couple of reasons to be suspicious of the poster over at SSP. If you go to the site that he linked to, it brings up an alleged "Besix intranet login page" which has a field for a user name and no password. But if you check the google cache of that site, it was until very recently what appears to be a bankruptcy keywords optimizer site. Also, he says that there will be glass bottomed observation decks which does not make sense according to the shape of the Burj Dubai. Finally, there are reasons to believe that the foundation could not support a 1011 meter building.

If the Burj were to be 1,011 meters tall, it will look very ugly and rail thin.

There are a couple of reasons to be suspicious of the poster over at SSP. If you go to the site that he linked to, it brings up an alleged "Besix intranet login page" which has a field for a user name and no password. But if you check the google cache of that site, it was until very recently what appears to be a bankruptcy keywords optimizer site. Also, he says that there will be glass bottomed observation decks which does not make sense according to the shape of the Burj Dubai. Finally, there are reasons to believe that the foundation could not support a 1011 meter building.

Well I don't know about the web site, but the glass bottom I would not rule out.. currently an indian tribe in Arizona is building a glass bottom horsrshoe shapped observation deck out over the gran canyon. When it open in 2007 you will have a 4000' drop below your feet as you stand out over the rim. As for 1011 meter height, my guess is that is based on reports that foundation can hold 950 meter building, but what size and shape, perhaps that was based on 950 meters without all the setbacks, more like the vegas building that was shown here last week. If that is so, then the shape change could allow more height, or since final height has always been a secret, that could have been to make teh compitition think they only had to design for 951 to get the title.

What magazine can i find that article?

^^ I can conceive the outset observation decks, but the site link was the biggest red flag for me. Especially the part with the "log in" field but no password field. That's something you would never expect to see on a real site.

I just got around to reading our newest post as well and although there are some things that may be able to be doubted, it's far more exciting to believe what is said is true. Of course we'll all find out in the end but the main thing I'm just curious about is what kind of reinforcement could be done to significantly allow the building to go higher - if that's even possible as I've only heard of one case in Chicago where the building by Aon Center was significantly over-strengthened for additions in the future. Not saying it can't be done but to do this mid-project is something I've personally heard very little desire of doing. My only other thought was unless they released speculative figures on purpose in terms of the raft strength or other data and we are only finding out now. Surely though as many have said, the higher this goes up, the less room there is for error and change to be made. I'm sure it'll be amazing either way though, as everyone already is aware that the BD will be hundreds of meters taller than anything built before. Even 800 is just insane - any more is just frosting ^^.

From SSP Useable roof height +760m. no fucking way. everyone has told me that there wasn't even going to have an occupied floor level at 705m so how and the hell are they going to have a occupied floor level at 760m ???

From SSP

There was also a link with more info:

Burj Dubai Tower
Construction Period: 1/2/2005 - 30/06/2009
Client: Emaar Properties
Location: Middle East - United Arab Emirates - Dubai
Description: Design and build of a Tower 1011m high comprising: Podium basement - 3 levels; Tower: 216 levels + Spire.
Project value: 816 722 000 EUR - 1 073 857 000 USD
Architect Skidmore Owings & Merrill Ltd
Consulting engineer Hyder Consulting M.E. Ltd

The Burj Dubai is set to become the tallest tower in the world. Gross area: Tower-368,590 m²; Office Building-19,420 m²; Podium & Pool Pavillion-148,650 m². The Tower will combine residential and commercial space, and will include a boutique hotel, recreational facilities, serviced residences, apartments and observatory. It will comprise the Dubai mall, the biggest shopping center in the world.

Levels 0-42: hotel.
Levels 43-140: residential.
Levels 141-142: observatory.
Levels 143-192: offices.
Levels 192-203: private.
Levels 204-216: communications.

what Levels 192-203: private, no way. you have the link for this info ? this is just to good to belive

If the Burj were to be 1,011 meters tall, it will look very ugly and rail thin.
it most likely won't happen because the foundation can only support a 950m structure

Megatower,

There is a link for all of this information posted, but it is not a verifiable link. So I wouldn't worry about it. It is either true or it isn't, and there is no way for someone to definitively say either way.

i think we should just stay with the 808m version for now.
gee sounds like anyone can post anything about burj Dubai.

^^ Certainly. That is the only version that we know for sure was at least official at one point. Everything else is pure rumor. Thus far, they have been following that plan. If they start deviating at some point, then we will know it's wrong.

i think we should just stay with the 808m version for now.
gee sounds like anyone can post anything about burj Dubai.
yeah we should, until it's made public of course. but i hope the info is really true. if it is. it would be the greatest christmas gift to me ever :lol:

C'mon it's on the Internet so it must be true.:cool:

^^ not necessarily, just because it's on the Internet doesn't mean it's true. but i really do hope it's true

oh dear.

this is the best render that i have ever seen for burj dubai
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/6769/burjrenderingta1.th.jpg (http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=burjrenderingta1.jpg)

i have counted about 205 floors on this rendering

the chance is big that they'll build that version when this is an official render

oh dear.
??? :weird:

I post it here again. This is from SSP. I found it following a link set by an anonyous source there:

Gross area: Tower-368,590 m²; Office Building-19,420 m²; Podium & Pool Pavillion-148,650 m².
The Tower will combine residential and commercial space, and will include a boutique hotel, recreational facilities, serviced residences,
apartments and observatory. It will comprise the Dubai mall, the biggest shopping center in the world.
<br>Levels 0-42: hotel.<br>Levels 43-140: residential.<br>Levels 141-142: observatory.<br>Levels 143-192: offices.
<br>Levels 192-203: private.<br>Levels 204-216: communications.<br>