i'm so tired of seeing these photoshopped pics ~_~

ok

I will go again on my annual pilgrimage to the WTC site this Tuesday Sept.11...and take some pipcs....



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^^

I wonder if they are still going to held the 9/11 ceremony at the construction site? There are just too many dangerous stuffs in the area.

^^ that's just how it is between people from top tier cities. i grew up thinking chicago was just 2nd to nyc (cough, it is) with some ugly supertalls. esb > jhc & wtc > sears always came to mind, going all the way back to elementary school. i was probably the only one who took notice at that age, lol. - at this point, i couldn't care less. nyc and chitown both have some serious projects on the board and anything that can step the united states up as a whole is great (fucking dubai/hong kong).

Yup, yup!!....that's how people have got to start thinking. We've got to keep up as a nation.

^^

I wonder if they are still going to held the 9/11 ceremony at the construction site? There are just too many dangerous stuffs in the area.


This will be the last year!!! after tuesday no more!!! too dangerous! for onlookers.....

This will be the last year!!! after tuesday no more!!! too dangerous! for onlookers.....

:cool: cool!

thx carlos im sure we all appreciate you taking pics of the construction, it should be exciting to see the progress made on the foundation

oh... and where in chicago will you find these 'supertalls' within a city block of eachother??

I think it's pretty obvious that Chicago clearly wins the overall height battle compared to NY...

I think it's pretty obvious that Chicago clearly wins the overall height battle compared to NY...

that doesn't warrant a response other than :lol:; disregard the chicago spire for a moment and you'll realize that the towers within the 16 acres of the WTC alone till be able to compete with all of chicago's supertalls combined. - forget about the classics/UC towers of midtown (including the 1400ft twins that are apparently in the works). i'm just talking about wtc 1-5. with that said, the winner isn't so clear to me... oh and fuck pissing contests. i couldn't care less about who has the tallest building, now that dubai has a fucking space elevator under construction. i'm just arguing what i find to be an ignorant statement.

this -----> :toilet:

by the way, i'm aware that i gave a much more elaborate response than ":lol:"...
i just thought of something to say after the original post and said it =D

that doesn't warrant a response other than :lol:; ... i'm just arguing what i find to be an ignorant statement.

If it didn't warrant a response, why are you arguing what you interpret to be an 'ignorant' statement? Your incongruencies reveal the true source of ignorance...

I think it's pretty obvious that someone didn't do his research.

thx carlos im sure we all appreciate you taking pics of the construction, it should be exciting to see the progress made on the foundation

thanks my friend I WILL be there Tuesday Sept 11th at ground zero paying my respect... :(

^ Poor Tammy Faye. God bless her. She looked like the Crypt Keeper in that interview with Larry King.

VERY cool times article i saw a while ago, recently resurfaced somewhere

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2006/01/03/opinion/20051230_oped_TOWERS.gif

If it didn't warrant a response, why are you arguing what you interpret to be an 'ignorant' statement? Your incongruencies reveal the true source of ignorance...

your answer lies in #2262. you should really take a look at the most recent post of a thread before trying to be witty; just a suggestion.

This of course is a classic case of people not knowing how to act when they finally receive that which has been denied them for an extended period of time. Congratulations on building a few towers taller than (700-800 ft). Furthermore, screw what the Council on Tall buildings and Urban Habitat says about including spires in the height of buildings, pound for pound, your tallest (FT) will still be shorter than Sears let alone the Chi Spire. So you mean to tell me after over 25 years, your soon to be tallest still comes up shorter than Chicago's soon to be 2nd tallest? How much clearer do you want? I think someone said it best when they gave the illustration of placing a 3000ft spire on their garage which would technically qualify as WTB by the aforementioned council's criteria. This is of course obsurd...:tiasd:

And by the way Mantle, I read that post well before I responded to your original rhetoric.

lmao knightwing isn't going to make many friends here

lmao knightwing isn't going to make many friends here

Yep, I'm just waiting on them to fix SSP...

This of course is a classic case of people not knowing how to act when they finally receive that which has been denied them for an extended period of time. Congratulations on building a few towers taller than (700-800 ft). Furthermore, screw what the Council on Tall buildings and Urban Habitat says about including spires in the height of buildings, pound for pound, your tallest (FT) will still be shorter than Sears let alone the Chi Spire. So you mean to tell me after over 25 years, your soon to be tallest still comes up shorter than Chicago's soon to be 2nd tallest? How much clearer do you want? I think someone said it best when they gave the illustration of placing a 3000ft spire on their garage which would technically qualify as WTB by the aforementioned council's criteria. This is of course obsurd...:tiasd:

And by the way Mantle, I read that post well before I responded to your original rhetoric.

the cranky child comes out of the closet, i love it. chicago is going to stay second fiddle to NYC, alpha status and skyline, for as long as the two stand, so just kill yourself now. :okay:



no disrespect to any other chicagoans (nians/ites?), this guy's just hilarious.

^ Poor Tammy Faye. God bless her. She looked like the Crypt Keeper in that interview with Larry King.

Didn't she die like hours after the interview. She looks dead in that avatar!
R.I.P.

Can't wait to see how people will react when all the new NY supertalls start coming to light.

Back OT, the core has even more rebar now.

Can't wait to see how people will react when all the new NY supertalls start coming to light.

Back OT, the core has even more rebar now.

i really can't wait for the renders of the msg twins. shit, i'll even take massing models. i'm just waiting to see if it's as huge as promised, because that's all the plan needs to make people FLIP. :banana:

no disrespect to any other chicagoans (nians/ites?), this guy's just hilarious.

Actually I'm from New York...

Well Somerville, NJ but close enough.

http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/3205/140307silversteincopyrc7.jpg

somerville jersey? gee whiz... i no longer care about what you have to say regarding, erm, anything.

- i guess you win, cheers.

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my thought process = "get fucking pataki away from that", "why is libeskind still relevant?", and "LOL maki" - it took me about 10 seconds to notice and i actually laughed out loud.

Well NY does dominate over Chicago in other aspects. Winning baseball teams. Real, non-middle America culture. Water that isn't poisoned with mercury. Five skylines (downtown, midtown, NJ, Queens, and most importantly, Brooklyn). You guys even stole Al Capone from us (yes, he grew up in the BK). Columbia beats UChi. By no means do you win the overall height battle, just because you have a few taller buildings. Plain and simple, you could fit multiple Chicago skylines in NY. By 2012, New York will have 7 supertalls (not including the new Madison Square Garden and Westside developments; and yes, 7 just like Mickey), while Chicago will have 6.

Regardless, we come from the same country, we shouldn't really compete. Chicago has a beautiful, elaborate skyline, the Sox did win somehow in '04, and I'll vote for Obama over Hillary. Plus, Common's new album is pretty good, even if it is sold in Starbucks.

Most importantly, NewYorkMantle is way a cooler name than Knightwing.

- i guess you win, cheers.

I guess I do. Cheers to you too!

Well NY does dominate over Chicago in other aspects. Winning baseball teams. Real, non-middle America culture. Water that isn't poisoned with mercury. Five skylines (downtown, midtown, NJ, Queens, and most importantly, Brooklyn). You guys even stole Al Capone from us (yes, he grew up in the BK). Columbia beats UChi. By no means do you win the overall height battle, just because you have a few taller buildings. Plain and simple, you could fit multiple Chicago skylines in NY. By 2012, New York will have 7 supertalls (not including the new Madison Square Garden and Westside developments; and yes, 7 just like Mickey), while Chicago will have 6.

Regardless, we come from the same country, we shouldn't really compete. Chicago has a beautiful, elaborate skyline, the Sox did win somehow in '04, and I'll vote for Obama over Hillary. Plus, Common's new album is pretty good, even if it is sold in Starbucks.

Most importantly, NewYorkMantle is way a cooler name than Knightwing.

Absolutely, both cities do what they do exceptionally well. Its just crazy that pro NY for some automatically means anti Chi and vice versa. The reality is there are areas that NY wins over Chi and other areas that Chi wins over NY. For instance, shall we talk about winning basketball teams and cleanliness?!?

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> Sculptor Kenneth Snelson is working on the spire at the top of the building.
> The glass prisms at the base will each be 13-feet tall.
> The base of the tower will be 186-feet tall.
> The base of the tower will be 200-feet by 200-feet.
> The top of the tower will be 145-feet by 145-feet.
> The shaft of the tower will be 1,182 feet tall.
> The height of the base and shaft together will be 1,368 feet -- the height of the roof of 1 World Trade center.
> The main structure will be topped by a 408-foot-tall mast containing antennae. The base of the mast will be surrounded by a 145-foot wide ring containing more equipment.
> The overall height of the structure will be 1,776 feet -- a number symbolizing the year of America's Declaration of Independence.
> The building will have 2,600,000 square feet of rentable space.
> The trees surrounding the Freedom Tower will be sweetgum trees.
> 1st-19th floors - Podium
> 20th-63rd floors - Offices
> 64th floor - Sky lobby
> 65th - 88th floors - Offices
> 89th and 90th floors - Transmission equipment
> 91st - 100th floors - Mechanical
> 100th - 101st floors - Restaurant
> 102nd floor - Observation deck
> 103rd - 108th floors - Mechanical

>The spire will be an intense beam of light that will be lit at night and will likely be visible over a thousand feet (305 m) into the air above the tower. New York City is a suitable place to set such a light pointing towards the sky without complaints of light pollution by astronomers, as the night sky in locations near New York City is already far too bright for serious astronomical observers.

I think the light beam into the sky is the coolest thing about the tower (although i do like the overall design, just wish the spire was a little bit more triangular). i can't wait until the first time I drive to New York after this is built and see the beat of light on the horizon, thats gonna be an incredible feeling.

I think they should make another freedom tower, and give New York its Twin Tower skyline back

I think they should make another freedom tower, and give New York its Twin Tower skyline back

Yes this opinion has already been established many times before.

I hate New York. Do I get a cookie?

(Love the architecture, tho. Chi-town, too.)

^^ New York hates you.

^^ al sharpton too

^^ New York hates you.

^^ Feels like it every time I go there. :)

I think New York Is Clearly the Best City In the United States...In Every Aspect:)...Thats why many consider it the Capital of the world!so no i think arguing which city is better(CHI-NYC) is nonsense!NYC Top#1

yup nyc is the best city in the world, and in my opinion the orginial Twin Towers of the World Trade Center were the greatest skyscrapers in the world, and i dont think there will ever be a skyscraper or couple of skyscrapers that will ever be as good as they were

I hate New York. Do I get a cookie?

(Love the architecture, tho. Chi-town, too.)

No, you don't get a cookie you ugly provocative globalizing tool. Do you seek attention that badly? Well you got it big boy. I bet you've never even been to New York, you John Rocker wannabe.

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Carlos, how did you get this pic? I'm pretty sure you didn't get on the site, right? If you did, you are the man, if not, it's still a nice shot.

yup nyc is the best city in the world, and in my opinion the orginial Twin Towers of the World Trade Center were the greatest skyscrapers in the world, and i dont think there will ever be a skyscraper or couple of skyscrapers that will ever be as good as they were

you are totally right :)

Webcam is back up and like i had said those peices where for a crane now just to the south of 1 WTC They are also digging a huge whole way to the right of the picture and there also seems to be alot more formwork around the 1 WTC core.

September 8th:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1126/1353367833_6ac18bda9c.jpg?v=0

Webcam is back up ...
You've made my day with that comment :cheers:

Are they gonna stop working for tomorrow, or are they just gonna keep going?

Also, will there be the tribute in light this year, or is the site too cluttered?

Are they gonna stop working for tomorrow, or are they just gonna keep going?

Also, will there be the tribute in light this year, or is the site too cluttered?

From my understanding part of the memorial will be in the site and the other part in a park. I don't think they will stop construction completely but it maybe a lighter day than usual. Also the tribute of light was never actually put on the site, it usually was put on some ajoining lot (where goldman sacks is going up I think). So I have no clue where they will put it this year.

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Carlos, how did you get this pic? I'm pretty sure you didn't get on the site, right? If you did, you are the man, if not, it's still a nice shot.

I'm still the man no matter what!! :hi:


September 11th Memorial Update!!!NO work will be done tomorrow at the site!

By NEIL GRAVES and LARRY CELONA
September 10, 2007 -- Thousands of New Yorkers are expected to gather at Ground Zero tomorrow to commemorate the sixth anniversary of the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center.

This year for the first time the ceremony will not take place in the hallowed footprint of the Twin Towers, but a stone's throw away at Zuccotti Park at Trinity Place and Liberty Street.

Mayor Bloomberg will preside over the ceremony, to begin at 8:40 a.m., with the Brooklyn Youth Chorus singing the national anthem.

There will be four moments of silence - at 8:46, when the first plane hit the north tower; at 9:03, when the second flew into the south tower; at 9:59; when the south tower collapsed and 10:29 when the north tower crumbled.

Throughout the ceremony, 236 first responders will recite the names of the 2,750 victims.



Let's not forget why the FREEDOM TOWER is being built!!!!





http://www.nypost.com/seven/09102007/news/regionalnews/four_moments_of_9_11_silence.htm

Thanks for all the recent facts and info Mommie Dearest :)

http://www.downtownexpress.com/de_226/wtcworkmaygo.html
W.T.C. work may go round the clock

By Josh Rogers

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Downtown Express photos by Elisabeth Robert

Construction at the World Trade Center site Wednesday included work on the train station, above, the underground east-west connector that will lead commuters to the World Financial Center, bottom, the Freedom Tower, below.

Port Authority officials said this week that World Trade Center construction progress is proceeding rapidly but they may have to go to a 24-hour schedule to avoid paying developer Larry Silverstein $300,000 a day in fines if they miss a January deadline.

“As we ramp up the project, [construction work] could be 24 hours a day,” Steve Coleman, a Port spokesperson, said during a press tour and briefing of the W.T.C. site on Wednesday, six days shy of the six-year anniversary of the terror attack.

Over 500 Port employees and contractors are working at the W.T.C. on the memorial, train station, Freedom Tower and “eastern bathtub,” which is needed to build three office towers on Church St. If the bathtub is not finished for the Tower 3 and 4 sites at the south end of Church St. by Jan. 1, the Port will begin paying Silverstein $300,000 a day under the renegotiated long-term lease the two parties signed a year ago.

During a tour of the site in May, Anthony Shorris, the Port’s executive director, said of the Silverstein deadline: “That’s what we lose a lot of sleep over-delivering the site on time.”

One person who has been losing sleep lately is Pat Moore, who lives across the street from the site at 125 Cedar St. Moore said on the Sunday morning after last month’s deadly Deutsche Bank fire, she was jarred awake at 5:45 a.m. as her building shook from the W.T.C. bathtub work across the street. Later in the morning she spoke with Gov. Eliot Spitzer who was right outside her window checking the air monitors and assuring her that everything was safe.

Moore, a Community Board 1 member, said that the early morning work had started about a month before the fire. A Port official had called her a week or two after it began to inform her and her neighbors about the early work and the Silverstein time pressures.

“You know I don’t care,” Moore said. “That’s not my problem.”

More recently, work has been getting started at 7 a.m. “Those two hours make a big difference,” Moore said.

Coleman said this week it’s not clear yet when there could be round the clock work.

This week’s visit to the site revealed visible progress on all four major projects on the site compared to the Downtown Express tour in May.

“We are now finally pumping every piston in the project,” Shorris said Wednesday. He said they are still on schedule to turn over sites 3 and 4 to Silverstein in January, open the train station and part of the memorial plaza in 2009, and the Freedom Tower in 2012.

The train station will cost more than the $2.2. billion originally budgeted, Shorris said. Architect and engineer Santiago Calatrava is now shaving costs off the design through engineering efficiencies, and is not making any major changes to the design, Shorris added. Of all the W.T.C. proposals, Calatrava’s design has probably received the highest raves from residents and critics. Shorris said the final cost will go up, but he won’t know the amount for a few months.

He hopes to keep the memorial costs down. “We’re working on the costs to keep it on budget,” he said. The current estimate to build the memorial block is $768 million.

The Port currently owns the memorial site and the rest of the W.T.C., but at some point, it may transfer the memorial land to the W.T.C. Memorial Foundation in exchange for the Deutsche Bank site and an adjacent parcel, where a vehicle security center, tour bus garage, an office tower for JPMorgan Chase, a Greek Orthodox church and a public plaza are planned.

Early this year, officials hoped to be able to finish dismantling the Deutsche building by the end of this year, in which case the bus garage would not have been finished until two years after tour buses were expected to begin swarming the memorial. The fire has pushed back the Deutsche demolition indefinitely, thus extending the so-called “bus gap” time period.

Shorris said the Port is not thinking of slowing down any work to wait for the garage, but is constantly adjusting the sequencing of construction as new problems arise every day. He likened it to conducting an orchestra. The payoff will come at the end when the construction is finished, he added.

“This thing is moving, “ he said. “It is being conducted and this thing will make great music someday.”

Josh@DowntownExpress.com

this has some progress but still slow

webcam gave some nice hi res pics there for a little bit
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thanks^^

thanx for the updates..

ive noticed the constant comments that NYC should rebuild the twins towers either updated, or replicas. what is it about the original towers that causes such a response? to a londoner the old design was impressive, but is eclipsed by the new project in many ways; looks, pedestrian experience, symbolism. Are proponents of a twin tower reconstruction fulfilling their nostalgic wish for two near identical towers to return to the New York skyline?

We all want the twins back, however logistics and the plain reality of the situation that the developers are in financialy, anolg with the world make it hard. We dont want to create another giant bullseye for those bastards to try to hit again. I know it sounds deafeatist, but let the new generation of super towers go in somewhere else, and may many of them be built. Something terrible happened here, and we dont want to forget it nor do we want to use it to advantage the developers. the freedom tower and memorial fi tthe site well and with the light beam at the top, you will not be dissapointed. Let us just remember those who gave the ultimate not only for us americans, but for all good people around the world. 9/11 R.I.P.

Some pics I snapped while in NYC on 8/24-8/25 (Wish I posted sooner) :-/

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc18/gt2437/NYC%208-07/NYC033.jpg?t=1189476006
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc18/gt2437/NYC%208-07/NYC042.jpg?t=1189476073
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today is 9/11, lets pray for the people who lost their lives on that evil day six years ago, and tell their love one we still remember.

to day is a sad day ! we suld remind us of 2001/09/11 = 9/11 !
the day the world stod still !
end we shuld remind us of the wiktims who died that morning !


oj-GkDJpr2Y

^^ I agree

(Speak english...:lol:)

I see that the building finally is going to rise.

-edit- I didn't saw that video, it's awful! Everytime I look at it!

Slowly but surely...

she will rise again

omg. that video made me cry. just the sight of something so massive crumbling to the ground. it just looks like a horror movie, it doesnt seem real. the way that cloud is just following those people as they run away. :'(

it was a very sad day for NYC, a sad day for the world.....R.I.P.


by the way this morning Tuesday September 11, 2007 here in New York...it is raining hard..as tears from heaven..... :(

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Look to the future, the past is history...


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pics from wtcrising

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:)

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More model pics...

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/85146481/original.jpg


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I only wish these projects were nearing...completion...

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I'll save this sort of commentary for another day of the year. I don't want to be the dick trashing NYC on 9/11.

ive noticed the constant comments that NYC should rebuild the twins towers either updated, or replicas. what is it about the original towers that causes such a response? to a londoner the old design was impressive, but is eclipsed by the new project in many ways; looks, pedestrian experience, symbolism. Are proponents of a twin tower reconstruction fulfilling their nostalgic wish for two near identical towers to return to the New York skyline?

For me, it's to piss in the faces of those who brought the twins down.

The 1776 ft. is a nice touch, along similar lines.

first time I see the towers from an other side (in the last renders that were posted )

BTW today is a sad day for the skyscaper and for the US (and for the hamans race ):cry:

Our thoughts and prayers are with those innocents who perished at the World Trade Center.

May these new towers rise in majesty and serve to remind us that America is stands for liberty.

to day is a sad day ! we suld remind us of 2001/09/11 = 9/11 !
the day the world stod still !
end we shuld remind us of the wiktims who died that morning !


oj-GkDJpr2Y
Amazing... we will never forget. :(

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I'll save this sort of commentary for another day of the year. I don't want to be the dick trashing NYC on 9/11.

:lol: it has been 6 years, relax

i thought the newsday cover was nice

http://gothamist.com/attachments/jen/2007_09_covers911.jpg

^^
That newsday cover is pretty cool. Our government is too stupid to replace the twins. :(

ive noticed the constant comments that NYC should rebuild the twins towers either updated, or replicas. what is it about the original towers that causes such a response? to a londoner the old design was impressive, but is eclipsed by the new project in many ways; looks, pedestrian experience, symbolism. Are proponents of a twin tower reconstruction fulfilling their nostalgic wish for two near identical towers to return to the New York skyline?
Before they were destroyed they were pretty much reviled for their design. Paul Goldberger, an architecture critic, put it best when he said they were so banal they weren't worthy of a bank headquarters in Omaha (Nebraska USA).
That was pre-9/11. Reputations can be destroyed in one day.....but they can also be made.

I wonder what would have happened if the towers hadn't collapsed? Do you think the holes would have been repaired. Or do you think the buidings would have had to have been demolished?

How is the main picture not dedicated to 9/11? To me that's a slap in the face.

may you all be in our hearts and in our minds on this day!

i wish these towers were nearing completion today too.

VICTIMS' RELATIVES GATHER AT 9/11 CRASH SITES

Post Wire Services



September 11, 2007 -- Relatives of World Trade Center victims bowed their heads in silence at a small park Tuesday to mark the moment exactly six years earlier when the first hijacked plane struck the towers. The dreary, gray skies created a grim backdrop, and a sharp contrast to the clear blue of that morning in 2001.

Mayor Bloomberg, who has presided over each of the anniversary events, described Sept. 11, 2001, as "the day that tore across our history and our hearts. We come together again as New Yorkers and as Americans to share a loss that can't be measured"

Construction equipment now fills the vast city block where the World Trade Center once stood. the work is under way for four new towers forced the ceremony to be moved away from the twin towers' footprints for the first time.

It was also the first first time the commemoration has been held on a Tuesday -- the day the attacks occurred in 2001 -- and the first time it has rained.


The ceremony began at 8:40 a.m. with the sounds of drums and bagpipes, as an American flag saved from the site was carried onstage.

"The Star Spangled Banner" was performed by the Brooklyn Youth Chorus before the first of four moments of silence was observed at 8:46 a.m. -- the moment the first plane struck the north tower.

As in past years, New York will hold four moments of silence to mark the times that two hijacked jetliners hit, and for the two times that each tower collapsed. For the first time since 2001, Sept. 11 is on a Tuesday, the day of the attacks.

Other Sept. 11 commemorations were held around the United States, including a moment of silence by President George W. Bush at the White House.

A memorial honoring the 40 passengers and crew who died when United Airlines Flight 93 crashed in a Pennsylvania field was also planned.

At the main U.S. base at Afghanistan, a memorial ceremony was held.


http://www.nypost.com/seven/09112007/news/regionalnews/presidential_politics_and_the_.htm

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http://www.worldtradecenter.com/

imagine the future will be like!!!! Better, safer, more beautiful! RIP WTC.

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:lol: it has been 6 years, relax

Just avoiding a flame war. :)

Back to the FT. Can't wait to see this thing climb.

FM 2258
That newsday cover is pretty cool. Our government is too stupid to replace the twins.


What has the government got to do with this???Last I heard the "Lower Manhattan Development Corporation" was responsible...I also heard (correct me if I'm wrong) that "Silverstein Properties" owned the lease on the land , making them the temporary landowners.

Oh and I'd never endorse a project by Mr Trump...Too much ego and money combining.

great close-up pics from the cam, could be everyday with that quality :)

Yes that last construction update makes me fell better. We can really see stuff happening at the site now :)

I wonder what would have happened if the towers hadn't collapsed? Do you think the holes would have been repaired. Or do you think the buidings would have had to have been demolished?
i don't know, i asked the same question once...

Imagine if they never fell and had to be taken down! That's crazy to think about.

If only our government would've knocked them down(My opinion)...:down::cry:
Nothing has worked out in the US economy after the destruction of the WTC...

If only our government would've knocked them down(My opinion)...:down::cry:
Nothing has worked out in the US economy after the destruction of the WTC...

What the f are you talking about?

What the f are you talking about?

Yes...... please explain such a strange comment.

I wonder what would have happened if the towers hadn't collapsed? Do you think the holes would have been repaired. Or do you think the buidings would have had to have been demolished?
If they had had traditional concrete cores, would they have collapsed? I think no. I believe the engineering studies that absolved the design of blame were a cover up.

imagine the future will be like!!!! Better, safer, more beautiful! RIP WTC.
I find that to be a reflection in the mirror.

There are evidences suggested that 9/11 was planned by US government.

There are evidences suggested that 9/11 was planned by US government.

like what

From skyscraperpage:

"Although into the later years, 2007, the attacks have been quite controversial, much of America now belives the Attacks where planned by the US Goverment itself. Youtube, for example is cluttred with videos of "proof", being the fact that this was the first time in history to collapse due to a fire, especially for such a short time in such large massive towers. Reports of blasts shooting out of the tower, explosions at the base, and politicians caught lieing have been highley speculated as proof of planned attacks. If the theroys and proof is true, this could possibly be one of the biggest coverups in history"

http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=30

There are evidences suggested that 9/11 was planned by US government.

all of which (publicized) have been debunked by popular science/mechanics and credible doctors in their field. or did you come up with some compelling new stuff on your own? :nuts:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html

this should clear everything up.

Any pics from the tribute in light tonight? Is it even happening?

all of which (publicized) have been debunked by popular science/mechanics and credible doctors in their field. or did you come up with some compelling new stuff on your own? :nuts:I didn't creat this idea by my own. I just found these stuff from the Internet. I never say I believe it.

I just hate to hear some people say it is US goverment inside job, if you guys want to attack the US goverment, can you bring it to some place else. The point is how do the 9/11 families feel when people like you say stuff like this on 9/11. It is like telling them their love one isn't a hero, they just kill by their own goverment and look! I have unproof theroys.

Don't just take other people's joke and make it like you know it all.

I didn't creat this idea by my own. I just found these stuff from the Internet. I never say I believe it.

My mother always tells me never to repeat something that I don't know. Maybe next time you should use the search option. Your about 5 years too late buddy.

I just hate to hear some people say it is US goverment inside job, if you guys want to attack the US goverment, can you bring it to some place else. The point is how do the 9/11 families feel when people like you say stuff like this on 9/11. It is like telling them their love one isn't a hero, they just kill by their own goverment and look! I have unproof theroys.

Don't just take other people's joke and make it like you know it all.My mother always tells me never to repeat something that I don't know. Maybe next time you should use the search option. Your about 5 years too late buddy.
I neven say I made that theory and I never make it like I know it all! Just up to you to believe it or not. I just told you guys that there are still many people believe that theory and I don't mean to harm anyone. And let's get back to topic.

I neven say I made that theory and I never make it like I know it all! Just up to you to believe it or not. I just told you guys that there are still many people believe that theory and I don't mean to harm anyone. And let's get back to topic.

haha okay, so you were bringing it to people's attention. this stuff has been spout by 9/11 inside job nuts for years now, so it's nothing new to most of us. you should read that popular mechanics article if you are interested in the whole thing, even if you don't believe any of it. it's a really informative and rightfully eye opening read.

haha okay, so you were bringing it to people's attention. this stuff has been spout by 9/11 inside job nuts for years now, so it's nothing new to most of us. you should read that popular mechanics article if you are interested in the whole thing, even if you don't believe any of it. it's a really informative and rightfully eye opening read.Until now, I still don't believe they could have done this.
I will read through that article when I have time. :)

From skyscraperpage:

"Although into the later years, 2007, the attacks have been quite controversial, much of America now belives the Attacks where planned by the US Goverment itself. Youtube, for example is cluttred with videos of "proof", being the fact that this was the first time in history to collapse due to a fire, especially for such a short time in such large massive towers. Reports of blasts shooting out of the tower, explosions at the base, and politicians caught lieing have been highley speculated as proof of planned attacks. If the theroys and proof is true, this could possibly be one of the biggest coverups in history"

http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=30

"Much of America...," truly? since when has youtube been a representative for "much of America?" I rest my case.

As we near the end of this dark and rainy Sept. 11th seven years later, lets not forget about the victims of this terrible attack and remember to keep them in our hearts and prayers-- And for the sake of this forum lets not foget that this is about the construction of the new WTC, so let's not argue about government coverup theories and the like moving on.

"Much of America...," truly? since when has youtube been a representative for "much of America?" I rest my case.Just wondering who wrote that in skyscraperpage...:ohno:

BTW, we should move on and back to topic.

Tonight
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1294/1364096172_2bb29d304c_b.jpg

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/3738/wtcoriginalcopymmdt0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

i think that this one really nedds to be torn down .. ugly and windowless :puke:I totally 100% agree. It's the worst looking building ever. WTC looks unreal though!

Tonight
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1294/1364096172_2bb29d304c_b.jpg
Amazing view

Just wondering who wrote that in skyscraperpage...:ohno:

BTW, we should move on and back to topic.

Indeed you are correct.

I find myself getting even more excited every time I see the new renders!!! this is going to be an awesome complex.

the lights are friggin dim this year. subtle is not bad though.

I wonder what would have happened if the towers hadn't collapsed? Do you think the holes would have been repaired. Or do you think the buidings would have had to have been demolished?

Well, the buildings did collaps so quick because of the bombs that where placed in the building. But otherwise I think it will stand for hours and the firefighters had more time to save the building. Maby it would have stand for days!

Well, the buildings did collaps so quick because of the bombs that where placed in the building. But otherwise I think it will stand for hours and the firefighters had more time to save the building. Maby it would have stand for days!

There were no bombs in the building. Another myth that people seem to think is true.

Oh please don't start another discussion about those conspiracy theories. Now they're building the freedom tower, we should focus on that!

This thread needs an active moderator...

I think what they are building now is the best way to deal with what happened on that side. Four impressive new towers and a memory site for what once stood. I like the buildings very much, especcialy tower 2 and 3. They can stand for their own.

There were no bombs in the building[s].

We don't know that with 100% certainty.

But, I do agree that this isn't the place for the conspiracy theory discussion.

There are evidences suggested that 9/11 was planned by US government.

Another stupid internet-brainwashed conspiracist. Educate yourself and use logic; look at the thousands of engineers/organizations who said there is no evidence of conspiracy whatsoever vs. the the few actors, the few engineers, politicians, who agree with it.

I think what they are building now is the best way to deal with what happened on that side. Four impressive new towers and a memory site for what once stood. I like the buildings very much, especcialy tower 2 and 3. They can stand for their own.

Right, instead of 2 very large towers, we get 4 large and 1 medium sized tower (not including 7 WTC). But we also get a reconnection to the Manhattan streetgrid. That's important to the pedestrian flow of the city.

seems the cam-website has a new design

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/85146615/original.jpg

http://img480.imageshack.us/img480/6967/wtcsiterendering070901egt3.jpg

^
HOT

Yeah, it should be 110 stories.

http://img480.imageshack.us/img480/6967/wtcsiterendering070901egt3.jpg
nice!

I can't wait for 2012

I can't wait for 2012

Same here, I'm already planning a trip to NYC. :banana:

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o297/Kraftmeister/SSL11671.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o297/Kraftmeister/SSL11672.jpg

I can't wait for 2012

Keep waiting:lol: It's going to take a while:lol:

^^

:cheers:

I did not know Norman Foster designed WTC2. I love both of the towers. :)

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/85401535/original.jpg

4 Supertalls In 4 Years

looks really nice

oh... just 5678 posts with 'looks really nice' in this thread...:nuts:

thanx for all the pix ebola and co.:banana:

finally some progress but it seems, as if work @ GZ is not the same speed everywhere...

at 5 PM the FT-work has already stopped while the passage to the WFC still is being worked on ...
mb i'm wrong but machines do not move after this time

http://www.earthcam.com/usa/newyork/groundzero/

YTMND I made from pictures around the interwebs:

http://tallest.ytmnd.com/

I got 4 stars so far.

I've been seeing progress!

I'll post this again:
http://www.earthcam.net/users2/interface.php?i=0&id=445&projectid=202&clientid=158

earthcam control center 7,it's new

Yeah, it should be 110 stories.

It would probably be better if it was 1,776ft to the roof with all floors occuppied, so it wouldn't be cheating at all.

If you really want a cheating building, look at the fist versions of Freedom Tower. At least w/ this design, from angles, you wouldn't be able to tell that the Twin Towers are missing if you were from the year 2000.

It would probably be better if it was 1,776ft to the roof with all floors occuppied, so it wouldn't be cheating at all.

It's not "cheating" at anything. Spires are counted in heights, whether you agree with it or not is irrelevant.

The Burj Dubai, which is a nicely designed tower, is pretty much nothing but a spire for about the last third of its height, I don't care how many "floors" are in there.

Personally I don't like the looks of spires on buildings for the most part. Occasionally it can look good, but I am not too fond of it.

It would probably be better if it was 1,776ft to the roof with all floors occuppied, so it wouldn't be cheating at all.

I agree. taller tower would be better. If this 1776 number is symbolic - it can be the last floor or observation deck. And on top of it a spire rising to let's say 2000 ft. Also I would love to see the tower more massive. At the bottom is is OK, but the upper part is a bit light I think.

We've said this before................a roof hight of 1776 and a spire hight to 2001 would be better and more symbolic.

But this simply is not going to happen. So we should talk about what is being built and not what we wish would get built.

I guess noone will be able to change the developer decision now. The design could have been a little futuristic, a premier city like NY should have something nicer. This design is really nothing special at all ! I guess there must have been alot at ...... for people who ................the design or just simply bad taste or economic or political or whatsoever reason. NY will miss the huge chance for a really nice design at such a good location...........I wish its like 150 floors to the top of at least 600m plus viewing gallery plus rest/pub/cafe at maybe 151/152 floors.........just dreaming.........:cheers: :)

I guess noone will be able to change the developer decision now. The design could have been a little futuristic, a premier city like NY should have something nicer. This design is really nothing special at all ! I guess there must have been alot at ...... for people who ................the design or just simply bad taste or economic or political or whatsoever reason. NY will miss the huge chance for a really nice design at such a good location...........I wish its like 150 floors to the top of at least 600m plus viewing gallery plus rest/pub/cafe at maybe 151/152 floors.........just dreaming.........:cheers: :)

I totally know what you are saying, but the previous post is true - no point to dream about it now.

hehe , new landmark for NYC

btw...what's going on with the cam? i can't see any pic

btw...what's going on with the cam? i can't see any pic

works for me
http://www.earthcam.net/users2/interface.php?i=0&id=445&projectid=202&clientid=158

I agree. taller tower would be better. If this 1776 number is symbolic - it can be the last floor or observation deck. And on top of it a spire rising to let's say 2000 ft. Also I would love to see the tower more massive. At the bottom is is OK, but the upper part is a bit light I think.

I totally agree!

But, seriously, what is the likelyhood that is going to happen?

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/85146615/original.jpg

Carlos123, thanks for this rendering, this one is fantastic.!!!!

I totally agree!

But, seriously, what is the likelyhood that is going to happen?

I think it may be possible once they will start building it. Maybe at the middle of the process they will assign the number 1776 to something different from the roof. The structure will be able to carry more weight I am sure. Also you can see on the picture that the Freedom tower is almost the same as the Foster's one - I think that it would be nicer to make it higher to stick to the master plan - by progressively making one tower after another lower starting at Freedom tower... technically it is lower, but visually, not that much at all.

works for me
http://www.earthcam.net/users2/interface.php?i=0&id=445&projectid=202&clientid=158

weird.....

It's not "cheating" at anything. Spires are counted in heights, whether you agree with it or not is irrelevant.

The Burj Dubai, which is a nicely designed tower, is pretty much nothing but a spire for about the last third of its height, I don't care how many "floors" are in there.

However, the Burj Dubai will have 162 OCCUPIED floors. Even it if it didn't have a spire, it would still be the WTB. When you look at the Freedom Tower, it only has 69 occuppied floors yet its overall height is said to be 1,776 ft. The highest occupied floor falls short of the highest one in the Sears Tower, so that means that it can't even be the nation's tallest. Also, I find it rather odd how it can even jump to 1,776 ft when the roof is only 1,368 ft. Wait a minute, it is b/c of that long spire. I don't care what the CTBUH rules says what counts, spires are cheating for height b/c they are nothing but structual elements.

^^ why is this even an issue? the building will be tall and it will exist, that's all that needs to happen at some point. i couldn't care less about it having fewer occupied floors than former 1wtc.

69? Hahaha, right.


http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/3482/foreshadowingbg3.jpg

^^ why is this even an issue? the building will be tall and it will exist, that's all that needs to happen at some point. i couldn't care less about it having fewer occupied floors than former 1wtc.

because talb will do and say anything to try and put the original wtc on a higher pedestal than new wtc

(Dubai is hostile to many differant groups - Jews, Buddhists, gay people, etc)

That is absolutely not true. You posted the same crap on the Burj Dubai thread and were corrected quite quickly.

The Ground zero looks awesome at night isn't it(minutes ago)
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/vrysxy/Ground_Zero_Megapixel_2007-09-16_01.jpg

(minutes ago)

7 world trade center is under construction in this pic, so it's almost 3 years old ..

This one is really minutes ago. Nice to see the development in the past three years :)
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/300/groundzeromegapixel2007tv4.jpg

Wonderful - thanks.

69? Hahaha, right.

69?? i thought 108 ^^.

69?? i thought 108 ^^.

No, only 69. That`s also a reason why I can`t stand this tower. They even say sonething bout the wtb, lol. God, please bring back only one of the old towers instead of this.

ya, 69 floors is nothing great at all, if they can make the building have 110 floors like the original towers why not do it, this means that the freedom tower will have 41 floors less than twin towers

Well, if 69 stands for "make love, not war" I think it is a great idea ;-)

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/85146615/original.jpg

These towers are nice, but I think they are not suitable for New York, concrete building would be more suitable.

Nah its gonna have 108 floors.

Well, if 69 stands for "make love, not war" I think it is a great idea ;-)

Don't urge the hippies to occupy this building. :lol: :lol: :lol:

These towers are nice, but I think they are not suitable for New York, concrete building would be more suitable.

Concrete building? Where do you people come from telling us what buildings are suitable for us and what isn't. It gets old. New York will be what it wants to be.

7 world trade center is under construction in this pic, so it's almost 3 years old ..
OOPS hahaha i thought that the web cam was "LIVE" oh nevermind..

69?? i thought 108 ^^.
69 is a good number too :happy:

not for a 541m tall tower :sleepy:

not for a 541m tall tower :sleepy:
I was thiking in....

What the f are you talking about?

Wao...what i meant was to say is that after they were knocked down everything in the US has gone wrong(including the US economy,our government with that iraqui war and all the other stuff going on)...

and yes their is conspiracy theories saying that the governement could've avoid all of this stuff happening while they actually didnt!

but anyways...Freedom tower is beautifull and thats what should matter over here!:)

I simply love it.....perfect for my city!!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/jhhjh.jpg

^^^^^^NICE NICE NICE:cheers: -edit- I saw the bigger version?:S:lol:

LOL too big sometimes is NO GOOD!!! Is not about the size!!!

:)

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/vrysxy/Ground_Zero_Megapixel_2007-09-16_01.jpg


This picture brings up an interesting point... Why are the subterranean floors by Freedom Tower (upper right) look higher/taller then they are now?

Did they tear some down and reconfigure it with the design changes to 1WTC?

for comparison: webcam (http://www.earthcam.net/users2/interface.php?i=0&id=445&projectid=202&clientid=158)

This picture brings up an interesting point... Why are the subterranean floors by Freedom Tower (upper right) look higher/taller then they are now?

Did they tear some down and reconfigure it with the design changes to 1WTC?

for comparison: webcam (http://www.earthcam.net/users2/interface.php?i=0&id=445&projectid=202&clientid=158)

Okay, through the webcam this happened between late 2004-2005 (old news!). lol but why?

not for a 541m tall tower :sleepy:

Now it doesn't matter b/c the Chicago Spire is projected to be completed at least a year earlier, so it will already be surpassed as the USA's tallest building.

Where has it been said that there will only be 69 floors? Is this new figure just not accounting for the bottom 19 floors which will be the base of the tower and the top 20 floors which are mechanical/observation floors?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2007/09/09/2007-09-09_daily_news_probe_finds_wtc_contractors_w-1.html
Daily News probe finds WTC contractors with mob ties, fraud
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

BY GREG B. SMITH

DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER

Sunday, September 9th 2007, 4:00 AM

Seven contractors cited for everything from mob ties to tax fraud to fatal accidents are getting a slice of the $16 billion reconstruction at Ground Zero, a Daily News investigation has found.

The problem firms are found every day working the bulldozers, cranes, jackhammers and pile drivers rebuilding the site of the World Trade Center.

All of the companies work for the Port Authority, the Dormitory Authority or the Lower Manhattan Development Corp. on taxpayer-funded contracts worth millions of dollars.

The list starts with the John Galt Co., the shell company at the heart of growing investigations into the Aug. 18 fire at the Deutsche Bank tower that killed two firefighters.

Galt has ties to Safeway Environmental, a company with a lousy safety record that has been barred from city work because one of its directors is a reputed mob associate.

The News found six companies with issues:

QUADROZZI CONCRETE

Last week, a steady convoy of Quadrozzi Concrete's distinctive yellow and orange trucks delivered cement to the Freedom Tower job.

Six months before the Sept. 11 attacks, the city Department of Environmental Protection rejected Quadrozzi's request to be an approved city supplier, citing then-owner John Quadrozzi Sr.'s ties to the Luchese crime family and other concerns.

In 2004, Quadrozzi Sr. died and the company was taken over by his son, John Jr., who was owner of an affiliate that refused to answer a subpoena from city investigators vetting a permit application.

In October 2004, Quadrozzi Jr. reapplied to the city for approval as a supplier. Last year, Quadrozzi Concrete withdrew the request without explanation. He did not return calls on Friday.

That withdrawal came after the January 2005 indictment of Constatine Quadrozzi, then a vice president of Quadrozzi Concrete. He was charged with dumping toxic waste into Newtown Creek.

In June 2006 Brooklyn Supreme Court Justice Carolyn Demarest dismissed the indictment. The judge found that although Quadrozzi had knowledge of the illegal dumping, he'd fixed the problem so no further prosecution was necessary.

The district attorney has appealed.

PAL ENVIRONMENTAL CORP.

In 2005, PAL Environmental signed a consent order admitting it had illegally disposed of toxic office equipment from the notorious Deutsche Bank tower at 130 Liberty St.

For four months in 2004, PAL shredded computers and furniture at the contaminated site without obtaining a permit from the state Department of Environmental Conservation. This meant DEC did not monitor the job.

Instead PAL monitored itself, providing the state with data it said showed no toxins leaked into the neighborhood.

In August 2005, the state DEC dismissed criminal violations against PAL after owner Salvatore DiLorenzo agreed to take "full responsibility" for claims arising from the illegal shredding and paid a $10,000 civil fine.

The Dormitory Authority, which is paying PAL $16.3 million to clean out Fiterman Hall behind 7 World Trade Center, was aware of this violation. DiLorenzo did not return calls.

LETICIA INC.

The black and white trucks hauling dirt from Ground Zero Wednesday had an unusually un-macho name - Leticia Inc., named after company president Leticia Rojas.

In April 2006, Rojas' husband, Manuel Mier, signed an affidavit promising "for the remainder of my life" to stay out of his wife's trucking business - Leticia Inc.

That's because Mier is a felon who pleaded guilty to using Leticia Inc. and other companies in a wide-ranging tax fraud scheme. He was sentenced to a year in jail and owes $523,000 in back taxes and penalties.

In April 2006, Rojas signed an agreement with the city Business Integrity Commission promising to keep her husband out of the company. (Mier is allowed to work for Rojas' real estate company, MEM Realty LLC).

Rojas agreed to hire a special monitor picked by the city to ensure her husband doesn't get a dime. Because of the monitor, the Port Authority allowed her company to work at Ground Zero.

On Friday Rojas said, "Why do you care about this?" and hung up.

TESTA CORP.

Testa Corp.'s bright yellow cranes dominate the southeast end of Ground Zero.

In April, Pamela Ciampi, whose family owns Testa, pleaded guilty in Boston Federal Court to dodging $250,000 in federal income taxes.

Investigators had seized records from Testa and Ciampi's other firm, PT Corp., both of Lynnfield, Mass., in a probe of sham women- and minority-owned firms.

That followed a July 2005 citation by federal regulators charging Testa with 15 job safety violations after a 190-foot tall steel craneway collapsed during a Testa demolition job, killing two workers.

OSHA slapped Testa with $60,000 in penalties, alleging that Testa did not do an engineering survey to determine the craneway's stability. In July 2005 Testa agreed to a $16,800 settlement.

A Testa executive who would only give his first name, Tim, said the Port Authority was aware of the craneway accident when it was hired.

LAQUILA GROUP

The firm is an offshoot of Laquila Construction whose owner, Dino Tomassetti Sr., has long-time ties to the mob, the FBI says.

Several informants have told the FBI Laquila Construction paid off mob-controlled unions so it could inflate profits by using nonunion help. Tomasetti Sr. pleaded guilty to one count of construction labor fraud in April.

Laquila Group - owned by Dino Tomassetti Jr. - was hired by developer Larry Silverstein to do excavation for the Freedom Tower. The Port Authority took over the job this year.

When investigators discovered Laquila Group was renting equipment from Dino Sr.'s company, a monitor was put in place and Dino Sr. agreed to stay away from the job.

The monitor, Toby Thacher, says the elder Tomassetti donates equipment to his son for the $35 million Freedom Tower job.

Laquila Group executives did not return calls.

JUDA CONSTRUCTION

Juda Construction has agreements with both Westchester County and the city of New York barring any interaction with a former Juda owner, Joseph Attonito, his son, Thomas, or any of their companies.

Joseph Attonito is a convicted felon. Law enforcement sources have said he was associated with organized crime. His son, Thomas, was convicted of perjury in 2003 for trying to hide from regulators his father's interest in another company, Whitney Trucking.

Juda has no such agreement for its work at Ground Zero, where last week Juda's white dump trucks hauled dirt from the Freedom Tower excavation site.

An employee answering the phone at Juda declined to comment and said owner Nicholas Paniccia was not available.

gsmith@nydailynews.com

Don't urge the hippies to occupy this building. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Hey man what's wrong with hippies?
Better than a bunch of tweakers.

They should have better rebuild the bottom of old WTC (maybe 20floors) and then hardly stop the design to the actual FT, that it's like rising a new tower from the ground, out of old WTC...
Like a new plant out of a an old and desiccated clade...

Hope you understand;-)

They should have better rebuild the bottom of old WTC (maybe 20floors) and then hardly stop the design to the actual FT, that it's like rising a new tower from the ground, out of old WTC...
Like a new plant out of a an old and desiccated clade...

Hope you understand;-)
Could be done but it won't. I think it would just be the outside that would be the same. I think most Engineers including ICE and ASCE would strongly advise not to build the lower section of the new tower in the old way. I don't even think they would let anyone do it because of possible changes in standards. Too late really now for much more to change.

LOL too big sometimes is NO GOOD!!! Is not about the size!!!

ahaha the irony. coming from a gym rat! haha no harm intended

LOL too big sometimes is NO GOOD!!! Is not about the size!!!

LOL... nice abs Carlito :)

I heard that the rentable floors are being increased from 69, to 80. is there any truth to that.???

lol. 69 :)

and this is my post number 169! :)

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2007/09/09/2007-09-09_daily_news_probe_finds_wtc_contractors_w-1.html
Daily News probe finds WTC contractors with mob ties, fraud
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

BY GREG B. SMITH

DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER

Sunday, September 9th 2007, 4:00 AM

Seven contractors cited for everything from mob ties to tax fraud to fatal accidents are getting a slice of the $16 billion reconstruction at Ground Zero, a Daily News investigation has found.

The problem firms are found every day working the bulldozers, cranes, jackhammers and pile drivers rebuilding the site of the World Trade Center.

All of the companies work for the Port Authority, the Dormitory Authority or the Lower Manhattan Development Corp. on taxpayer-funded contracts worth millions of dollars.

The list starts with the John Galt Co., the shell company at the heart of growing investigations into the Aug. 18 fire at the Deutsche Bank tower that killed two firefighters.

Galt has ties to Safeway Environmental, a company with a lousy safety record that has been barred from city work because one of its directors is a reputed mob associate.

The News found six companies with issues:

QUADROZZI CONCRETE

Last week, a steady convoy of Quadrozzi Concrete's distinctive yellow and orange trucks delivered cement to the Freedom Tower job.

Six months before the Sept. 11 attacks, the city Department of Environmental Protection rejected Quadrozzi's request to be an approved city supplier, citing then-owner John Quadrozzi Sr.'s ties to the Luchese crime family and other concerns.

In 2004, Quadrozzi Sr. died and the company was taken over by his son, John Jr., who was owner of an affiliate that refused to answer a subpoena from city investigators vetting a permit application.

In October 2004, Quadrozzi Jr. reapplied to the city for approval as a supplier. Last year, Quadrozzi Concrete withdrew the request without explanation. He did not return calls on Friday.

That withdrawal came after the January 2005 indictment of Constatine Quadrozzi, then a vice president of Quadrozzi Concrete. He was charged with dumping toxic waste into Newtown Creek.

In June 2006 Brooklyn Supreme Court Justice Carolyn Demarest dismissed the indictment. The judge found that although Quadrozzi had knowledge of the illegal dumping, he'd fixed the problem so no further prosecution was necessary.

The district attorney has appealed.

PAL ENVIRONMENTAL CORP.

In 2005, PAL Environmental signed a consent order admitting it had illegally disposed of toxic office equipment from the notorious Deutsche Bank tower at 130 Liberty St.

For four months in 2004, PAL shredded computers and furniture at the contaminated site without obtaining a permit from the state Department of Environmental Conservation. This meant DEC did not monitor the job.

Instead PAL monitored itself, providing the state with data it said showed no toxins leaked into the neighborhood.

In August 2005, the state DEC dismissed criminal violations against PAL after owner Salvatore DiLorenzo agreed to take "full responsibility" for claims arising from the illegal shredding and paid a $10,000 civil fine.

The Dormitory Authority, which is paying PAL $16.3 million to clean out Fiterman Hall behind 7 World Trade Center, was aware of this violation. DiLorenzo did not return calls.

LETICIA INC.

The black and white trucks hauling dirt from Ground Zero Wednesday had an unusually un-macho name - Leticia Inc., named after company president Leticia Rojas.

In April 2006, Rojas' husband, Manuel Mier, signed an affidavit promising "for the remainder of my life" to stay out of his wife's trucking business - Leticia Inc.

That's because Mier is a felon who pleaded guilty to using Leticia Inc. and other companies in a wide-ranging tax fraud scheme. He was sentenced to a year in jail and owes $523,000 in back taxes and penalties.

In April 2006, Rojas signed an agreement with the city Business Integrity Commission promising to keep her husband out of the company. (Mier is allowed to work for Rojas' real estate company, MEM Realty LLC).

Rojas agreed to hire a special monitor picked by the city to ensure her husband doesn't get a dime. Because of the monitor, the Port Authority allowed her company to work at Ground Zero.

On Friday Rojas said, "Why do you care about this?" and hung up.

TESTA CORP.

Testa Corp.'s bright yellow cranes dominate the southeast end of Ground Zero.

In April, Pamela Ciampi, whose family owns Testa, pleaded guilty in Boston Federal Court to dodging $250,000 in federal income taxes.

Investigators had seized records from Testa and Ciampi's other firm, PT Corp., both of Lynnfield, Mass., in a probe of sham women- and minority-owned firms.

That followed a July 2005 citation by federal regulators charging Testa with 15 job safety violations after a 190-foot tall steel craneway collapsed during a Testa demolition job, killing two workers.

OSHA slapped Testa with $60,000 in penalties, alleging that Testa did not do an engineering survey to determine the craneway's stability. In July 2005 Testa agreed to a $16,800 settlement.

A Testa executive who would only give his first name, Tim, said the Port Authority was aware of the craneway accident when it was hired.

LAQUILA GROUP

The firm is an offshoot of Laquila Construction whose owner, Dino Tomassetti Sr., has long-time ties to the mob, the FBI says.

Several informants have told the FBI Laquila Construction paid off mob-controlled unions so it could inflate profits by using nonunion help. Tomasetti Sr. pleaded guilty to one count of construction labor fraud in April.

Laquila Group - owned by Dino Tomassetti Jr. - was hired by developer Larry Silverstein to do excavation for the Freedom Tower. The Port Authority took over the job this year.

When investigators discovered Laquila Group was renting equipment from Dino Sr.'s company, a monitor was put in place and Dino Sr. agreed to stay away from the job.

The monitor, Toby Thacher, says the elder Tomassetti donates equipment to his son for the $35 million Freedom Tower job.

Laquila Group executives did not return calls.

JUDA CONSTRUCTION

Juda Construction has agreements with both Westchester County and the city of New York barring any interaction with a former Juda owner, Joseph Attonito, his son, Thomas, or any of their companies.

Joseph Attonito is a convicted felon. Law enforcement sources have said he was associated with organized crime. His son, Thomas, was convicted of perjury in 2003 for trying to hide from regulators his father's interest in another company, Whitney Trucking.

Juda has no such agreement for its work at Ground Zero, where last week Juda's white dump trucks hauled dirt from the Freedom Tower excavation site.

An employee answering the phone at Juda declined to comment and said owner Nicholas Paniccia was not available.

gsmith@nydailynews.com

Like this is a surprise? Let's see what happens to this CONCRETE building with all that quality mafia cement.

Like this is a surprise? Let's see what happens to this CONCRETE building with all that quality mafia cement.

I have a feeling that the reconstruction of this tower may cost more than $20 billion to $30 billion dollars with this situation going on.

I worked out in Chicago from 1994 to 1999, and worked for a company (plumbing and pipefitting) that was obviously tied to the mob, from where i come from i found it refreshing, codes and installation standards are labor intensive, and union bylaws are strict as to how much can be installed in an 8 hour day, plus the unions are strong, close to 98% of all new construction is union labor.!!

In contrast to that, out here in Los Angeles, (where we have no mob) the unions hold less than 20% of all class "A" construction, almost all residential construction is non union, and a major portion of that labor pool is unskilled, non english speaking and cheap, 8.00 to 15.00 $ an hour. less than a living wage. there is alot of work out here now, esp. with 20 cranes downtown, for the unions but its never consistent, like in New York or Chicago, and the mob plays a role in that consistency.!!!

When the last building boom in Los Angeles ended in 1992, after 2 years on the bench, i went to Chicago and worked every day (except for winter closure) until i came back, this building boom started in 06, with a building slump of almost 14 years, if the mob where out here i'm sure it would have been slightly different for construction, therefore in my opinion a little corruption is a good thing, at least it keeps money in the United States.

The only thing that saves this city's building standards is strict codes and enforcment of those codes.

Maybe Giuliani let em' slide. Who cares if the mob is working on the WTC? As of now, this baby will be topped by 2010, maybe before that, without any doubt.

which mafia are you refering to?, just wondering

69 floors only?? Ouch..

Maybe some of the other WTC buildings that are going up may have as many floors as this one?

the total floor count is 108

i found a website today with pics of the other proposed versions of the WTC

http://whyfiles.org/170skyscraper/images/towers_of_culture_big.jpg

http://whyfiles.org/170skyscraper/images/som_big.jpg

http://whyfiles.org/170skyscraper/images/fosters_big.jpg

im glad they went with this one

^^That's all old, but I wish Foster's Kissing Towers could be built else where, like, lets say, on Staten Island. :nuts:


For the Freedom Tower, there are 70 office floors that can be rented (about a quarter of it is already leased), 20 floors (some are skipped, but what can you do, eh?) in the base that are used for security/mech reasons, around 10 mech floors, a few broadcasting floors, an observation floor, floors for the restaurant, a sky lobby flor, and other stuff too. In total, the PANYNJ counts the top floor as floor 108, which is one floor more than the highest floor people could go to on the Twin Towers.


I'm ready for Tal to bash the hell outta what I just said. Bring it on, buddy!

the total floor count is 108

Alot of the floors are just mechanical etc though.

I kinda like this one:

http://whyfiles.org/170skyscraper/images/towers_of_culture_big.jpg

Alot of the floors are just mechanical etc though.



The total floor count is still 108. Every building has a lot of mech floors, and this one needs a lot of extra stuff for security reasons.

There is no doubt that the observation floor is floor #102. There are floors on top of the observation floor. The elevators in the Freedom Tower will read: 100, 101, 102 when you want to go to the observation floor. After all, it is a 1,300++ foor tall monster. The spire may be big enough to go into.

i found a website today with pics of the other proposed versions of the WTC

http://whyfiles.org/170skyscraper/images/towers_of_culture_big.jpg

http://whyfiles.org/170skyscraper/images/som_big.jpg

http://whyfiles.org/170skyscraper/images/fosters_big.jpg

im glad they went with this one

i've never seen those.....
but the 3rd one is awesome :o
http://whyfiles.org/170skyscraper/images/fosters_big.jpg

i've never seen those.....
but the 3rd one is awesome :o
http://whyfiles.org/170skyscraper/images/fosters_big.jpg

Absolutely horrific.

haha i like it :)

wow those look terrible, just stick to this plan it's the best one imo

BrooklynNYC, are you crazy calling Foster's Kising Towers "horrific?" That's the best skyscraer design I've seen in my life. I hope you're kidding. If not, go jump off the the Freedom Tower when it's topped in a few years.:lol:

And everyone else, WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING!?!?! The final design has been here for at least five years. All of those designs lost. That crud shouldn't even be here. :bash:


Get updated:
http://www.wtc.com/

those are all _awful_
D:

Absolutely horrific.
no is not... it's awesome but the Freedom Tower is gorgeous

Woow, what kind of awful designs are that! The freedom tower is just THE best!

I kinda like this one:

http://whyfiles.org/170skyscraper/images/towers_of_culture_big.jpg


i always thought that this design was absolutley revolting. i absolutley couldnt stand it. its like someone chewed up the eiffel tower and spat it out in new york. then stuck it tohether with gum.

why the hell are they designing buldings like that. not funny but awful. :(

Yuck, I remember those designs god are they awful. Thankfully all the other designs where throw out.

^yes, they are very awful!

Those new renderings are _so not_ New York. What a ridiculous idea :D
It just hit me, that this new WTC will not be any taller than the old ones were :S I've always thought this will be even taller. And the mast doesn't count. It's there only to make it look higher, also in statistics. The design is still nice.

And not that this has anything to do with this tower, 9/11 was a terrible conspiracy. I've seen much of documents that support that. Seems like there's something seriously wrong about US government. Don't take this personal, but it's just so true. If this bothers some of u, let's not discuss it here, but f.ex. in the privat section.

^^ Don't come on a board like this, say something nuts about how 9-11 was a terrible conspiracy (apparently by the US government), and then follow that with, "but lets not talk about that here."

What a load for crap.

^^ Don't come on a board like this, say something nuts about how 9-11 was a terrible conspiracy (apparently by the US government), and then follow that with, "but lets not talk about that here."

What a load for crap.

The idea was not to fill this thread with the posts about that. I'm interested in talking about that, but since this isn't the right place, it should happen in some place else. Or do u want dozens of people shouting their opinions, when we shoud be discussing this new tower? I mean the towers wouldn't have fallen down if hit only by one plane.

Apparently they would, huh?

The idea was not to fill this thread with the posts about that. I'm interested in talking about that, but since this isn't the right place, it should happen in some place else. Or do u want dozens of people shouting their opinions, when we shoud be discussing this new tower? I mean the towers wouldn't have fallen down if hit only by one plane.

You've been on the Burj Dubai thread today being a dick and I quote:

I wonder if Burj Dubai can handle a plane or a helicopter crashing it, especially when hit to the upper floors? That's so high that accidents can happen (or terrorist attacks, which is unlikely to happen). Not sure if Dubai "suffers" from fog but i guess the wheather can be bad there too, regardless that it's situated at desert? In a bad wheather one might not see it. The floors from, let's say, 150 are quite thin. I wouldn't like to hear about an accident in which something would hit the tower.

Now stop being a troll and go forth and multiply :ohno:

back da topic pls!! :) . :cheers:

anyway the tower seem patty than Burj Dubai isn'it??

You've been on the Burj Dubai thread today being a dick and I quote:
Now stop being a troll and go forth and multiply :ohno:

That was a propriate question in any way. It's not the first time a plane or a helicopter has hit a skycrapers. It has happened before and after the 9/11. There's nothing "troll" about that.

I'm actually curious about what is considered a spire. While I really do appreciate spires such as the ones on the Empire State Building, the Petronas Towers and the Chrysler Building, that isn't the case with the Freedom Tower. I think too many buildings are skirting the official height rules by putting up skimpy antenna-like spires on top of relatively short buildings.

Perhaps there needs to be an additional rule that a spire can only be, lets say 10% or 15% of a building's height. The other aspect is aesthetic also - it can't just be an antenna-like structure!

The Freedom Tower is really a 1,400' building, with a large antenna on top. It is still nothing to sneeze at - it is big! This also is more representative of reality.

Nice overview that I found on Google, I was looking for WTC Designs;

http://www.ogleearth.com/compareGE.jpg

Building Amenities - Observation decks, world-class restaurants, and the Manhattan Television Alliance (MTVA) broadcast and antennae facilities.

< snip >

- This building will consist of 69 office floors, and 13 non-office floors with uses ranging from mechanical to dining.



Why does the thread title list it at 108 floors? According to the official WTC site (that GerardB quoted above) it is only 82 floors.

I've already said my piece about the antenna, so I won't repeat too much - but that, combined with the inflated floor count, is quite misleading!

it will have 108F in Total. on the website they don't count all the Mechanical floors...so they come to 82

it will have 108F in Total. on the website they don't count all the Mechanical floors...so they come to 82

So what are the 13 floors they count as mechanical?

I find it hard to believe that a 108 floor building would require 39 mechanical floors to support 69 occupied floors! Even if you take out a couple for the restaurant and observation deck, that is just silly!

so it is 82 or 69 floors?(except those mechanical floors)

I would think at least some of those 39 floors would contain top-secret government equipment. all these varying floor counts are suspicious

so it is 82 or 69 floors?(except those mechanical floors)

There are only 69 occupied floors. 82 is the total number on the official web-site, which includes mechanical, restaurant and observation deck floors.

108 floors doesn't make sense, given the building is actually less than 1,400', and has a 200 foot atrium level leaving less than 1,200' net. Also keep in mind that floor heights are larger than they used to be.

If I'm not mistaken (and I very well could be) the base is tall, and only one occupiable floor. But due to it's height, the next floor up is like floor 20 or something, as it's height would equal the 20th floor if it was normal floors all the way up. Extra tall floors are often counted as taking up the number of floors that their height would justify. For instance, aren't the mech floors on Burj Dubai counted as 2 floors each in the floor count?

I could be wrong about all of this, but that's my recollection.

Okay, here's what Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Tower#Space_allotment) says, but it agrees with my recollection:

Space allotment

As revealed on June 28, 2006, Freedom Tower will have a top floor denoted as 102, though the total number of floors is 82 (with possibly some uncounted floors). This is because the first office floor of the building atop the tall base will be designated as Floor 20. There are 69 office floors atop the base, ending at Floor 88, above which would be broadcasting space on the 89th and 90th floors. Three stories of mechanical space take up a floor count of 9. Finally, a restaurant will take up Floors 100 and 101, and the observation deck is at Floor 102. Six additional floors of mechanical space exist above, in a total of a number 108.[10]

Floor breakdown


Sublevels - Garage/Retail/Transportation
Ground Floor - Main Lobby
1st-19th Floors (Base) - Podium (Not Occupied on the base except for lobby)
20th-63rd Floors - Offices
64th Floor - Sky lobby
65th - 88th Floors - Offices
89th and 90th Floors - Transmission equipment
91st - 100th Floors - Mechanical
100th - 101st Floors - Restaurant
102nd Floor - Observation deck
103rd - 108th Floors - Mechanical (Unoccupied)
Top of the building- Observation deck Two (Proposed)

If I'm not mistaken (and I very well could be) the base is tall, and only one occupiable floor. But due to it's height, the next floor up is like floor 20 or something, as it's height would equal the 20th floor if it was normal floors all the way up. Extra tall floors are often counted as taking up the number of floors that their height would justify. For instance, aren't the mech floors on Burj Dubai counted as 2 floors each in the floor count?

I could be wrong about all of this, but that's my recollection.

That probably explains it. I'd bet that there really are only 82 floors. To be fair, it should really be listed as that - else the CN Tower in Toronto could claim it has 150+ floors as well!

I think the thread title should be changed to reflect the reality!

if floors 1-108 all have a function, and are filled, then the tower is actually 108 floors. The CN Tower from what I learned from a tour book has no individual floors.

if floors 1-108 all have a function, and are filled, then the tower is actually 108 floors.


Agreed.

if floors 1-108 all have a function, and are filled, then the tower is actually 108 floors. The CN Tower from what I learned from a tour book has no individual floors.

Agreed - but as has been stated, the Freedom Tower does NOT have 108 individual floors. It only has 82 (69 occupied floors + 13 for other purposes including mechanical). Your methodology is absolutely correct. The comment about the CN Tower was just there to demonstrate how silly the current Freedom Tower methodology is.

SO - lets get the facts correct. Freedom Tower has only 82 floors - period.

See the official web-site for details:
http://freedomtower.som.com/

Glass Steel and Stone website confirming ONLY 82 FLOORS TOTAL:
http://www.glasssteelandstone.com/BuildingDetail/439.php

To be fair, I think this way of determining floor count is pretty common -- that double or triple height floors get counted as 2 or 3 floors. In this particular case, it ends up a bit extreme due to the 19-floor high podium, but a whole lot of buildings would have to have their floor counts chaged as well.

To be fair, I think this way of determining floor count is pretty common -- that double or triple height floors get counted as 2 or 3 floors. In this particular case, it ends up a bit extreme due to the 19-floor high podium, but a whole lot of buildings would have to have their floor counts chaged as well.

But why would this thread want to re-write things, when even the official web-page doesn't inflate things this way?

While double and triple mechanical floors are often counted this way, this is quite something else (hence the 'silly' yet realistic CN Tower comparison).

Bottom line is, if the official pages list it as 82 floors, that is what it is. (the 82 floors includes things like double and triple counted mechanical floors).

So CN Tower has 147 floors!:lol:

But why would this thread want to re-write things, when even the official web-page doesn't inflate things this way?

While double and triple mechanical floors are often counted this way, this is quite something else (hence the 'silly' yet realistic CN Tower comparison).

Bottom line is, if the official pages list it as 82 floors, that is what it is. (the 82 floors includes things like double and triple counted mechanical floors).

I don't disagree. I can see it both ways, to be honest.

The tower has over 102 floors.

The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey has stated that the observation deck is floor 102. There are a few floors on top of 102. You can't see the section view of the base, but the floor above the base is floor 20. End of debate.

The CN Tower doesn't count for anything here because it is NOT A SKYSCRAPER.

The official PANYNJ and WTC pages say that the observation deck is floor 102. People are so imbecilic to be debating crap like this for the thousandth time.

I'm actually curious about what is considered a spire. While I really do appreciate spires such as the ones on the Empire State Building, the Petronas Towers and the Chrysler Building...

I am assuming that the spire you talk about is the attenna at the top of the ESB. The actual attenna at the top of the ESB is for communications only, it is not counted as part of it's height.

The tower has over 102 floors.

... the floor above the base is floor 20. End of debate.

:wtf: :lol:

The CN Tower doesn't count for anything here because it is NOT A SKYSCRAPER.

Hmmm ... yeah, ANY structure with make-belief floors is not a skyscraper I guess. Well, using your methodology, the CN Tower's upper observation deck is at floor 153. :lol:

And just for you:

:tiasd:

Looks like I have a supporter on my spire comment:

I also see the burj as a 600m or so skyscraper because I don't count spire.

Of course, the Burj Dubai actually has a true spire akin to the Empire State Building and the Chrysler building, and not simply a stylized antenna.

I am assuming that the spire you talk about is the attenna at the top of the ESB. The actual attenna at the top of the ESB is for communications only, it is not counted as part of it's height.

No no - for the EBS, I'm talking about the entire structure that *is* counted above the highest occupied floor. I see the ESB as a building with a true spire.

You should use edit instead of triple posts.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2007/09/17/2007-09-17_white_house_veto_could_hurt_new_world_tr.html
White House veto could hurt new World Trade Center
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BY DEVLIN BARRETT
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Monday, September 17th 2007, 6:23 PM

The White House threatened Monday to veto a bill that would add 15 years to a post-Sept. 11 government insurance program which supporters say is critical for major projects like the new World Trade Center.

The Terrorism Risk Insurance Act, or TRIA, was one of a series of bills passed by Congress in the wake of the 2001 attacks. It is due to expire this year, and the House of Representatives had planned to vote this week on a 15-year extension.

If the current version of the bill reaches President Bush, his advisers will recommend a veto, the White House Office of Management and Budget said in a statement Monday.

The Bush administration said the government should get out of the insurance business in the near future and end the TRIA program, which is essentially a backstop mechanism to ensure terrorism insurance is available and affordable for major projects and buildings.

"The administration strongly opposes efforts to expand the federal government's role in terrorism reinsurance. The most efficient, lowest cost, and most innovative methods of providing terrorism risk insurance will come from the private sector," budget officials wrote.

"I strongly disagree," said Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y. "TRIA is absolutely essentially, and we will continue to support it and work for it one step at a time."

Businesses, particularly in New York, claim that without the program they will not be able to get insurance coverage for nuclear, biological, chemical, and radiological attacks, and some local officials fear without the government program they may not even be able to rebuild the World Trade Center site.

If buildings can't be insured, banks may not lend money to build them, insurance groups argue.

The current program provides a federal insurance backup for catastrophic losses suffered in a terrorist attack, which the insurance industry says is needed because such attacks are so expensive and hard to predict. Under the bill headed for a House vote, the program can only be triggered when the amount of property and casualty losses reach $100 million.

The White House is worried over the potential long-term cost of the legislation, noting that a 10-year version could cost more than $10 billion, according to one estimate.

Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., charged the veto threat "is putting ideology ahead of economic growth."

The terrorism insurance program, Schumer said "is essential to construction and growth in many of our large cities. It is particularly needed now as the economy softens."

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09172007/news/regionalnews/haky_ground.htm
$HAKY GROUND

BUDGET WOES AT 'WTC' AGENCY
By CHUCK BENNETT

September 17, 2007 -- The obscure state agency charged with coordinating about 60 construction projects downtown - including demolition of the former Deutsche Bank building - is going broke, The Post has learned.

Not only has the Lower Manhattan Construction Command Center, which is under Gov. Spitzer's control, been blamed for mismanaging deconstruction of the bank building at Ground Zero, it apparently can't even manage its own budget.

State agencies have refused to transfer millions of dollars to the LMCCC, which has authority over every project south of Canal Street worth more than $25 million, because it cannot provide a satisfactory plan of how the funds would be spent.

Unless changes are made, the LMCCC will have a $3 million deficit by next month, said sources with direct knowledge of the budget.

For instance, the Port Authority, which has several megaprojects downtown, including the World Trade Center transit hub and the Freedom Tower, hasn't paid a cent of the $21.7 million it promised last year.

The money is "contingent on completion of an agreement on how the funds will be used. Since the agreement has not been completed, the funds have not been transferred," PA spokesman Steve Coleman said.

LMCCC leaders, including ex-Executive Director Charles Maikish and current head Robert Harvey, have come under fire for their handling of the demolition of the contaminated bank building.

After an Aug. 18 blaze at the site killed two firefighters, it emerged that numerous safety hazards that contributed to the fire had been ignored.

"We are confident that our partners will fully satisfy their funding commitments," said Errol Cockfield, a spokesman for the state-run Lower Manhattan Development Corp., which manages the LMCCC.

The LMCCC has a five-year, $67 million budget, but Cockfield declined to discuss the state of its finances or why it can't document where the money would go.

The MTA committed $10.4 million to the LMCCC, but also hasn't transferred any cash. Jeremy Soffin, an MTA spokesman, said the matter was being looked into.

And the state Department of Transportation's $2.6 million commitment has yet to reach the LMCCC's coffers.

cbennett@nypost.com

No no - for the EBS, I'm talking about the entire structure that *is* counted above the highest occupied floor. I see the ESB as a building with a true spire.

Which would be? Techiniquely those floors could be occupied as there is a pod where people can be located at the top of the spire that you speak of. I would use the word crown as a better description of the top of ESB.