We know there isn't going to be any twins. So why talk about it, it's pretty much pointless. We should just stay on topic.

Err, no, not in the slightest.

well you see the different places within the skyline makes it so they are almost the same height from brooklyn side. and i said at night because then its harder to distinguish the shape of beekman. so in the right situation yes they kind of are in the slightest

nice:) i'm his neighboor from Slovenia then. when i go to the US the first priority is going to be NY, but no doubt only when the whole complex is completed so i can enjoy the greatness:banana:

:cheers1:

great progress ! :D :D

I actually love this tower... but nowadays is china who has the power... its a really shame they are not building a super mega tall to show who has the power :master:

^^ Power has nothing to do with height.

yea this tower has more meaning than all of the super talls that have been made in the past 40 years combined

well you see the different places within the skyline makes it so they are almost the same height from brooklyn side. and i said at night because then its harder to distinguish the shape of beekman. so in the right situation yes they kind of are in the slightest

You're just saying this because you're desperate for Twin Towers. There is no situation whatsoever where they look like twins. You see, a strong criteria for buildings to look like twins is when they, you know, look the SAME. They look nothing like each other. But if you wanna think you see twins and it makes you feel better, then by all means do so.

I'm ready for 1 WTC to pass NYTT

You're just saying this because you're desperate for Twin Towers. There is no situation whatsoever where they look like twins. You see, a strong criteria for buildings to look like twins is when they, you know, look the SAME. They look nothing like each other. But if you wanna think you see twins and it makes you feel better, then by all means do so.

nope just saying what i see :]

If that's what you see, I suggest you get your eyes check.

If that's what you see, I suggest you get your eyes check.

LOL yeah seriously. Some people just want to see things that aren't there because they crave Twin Towers. I'm pretty accepting of 1 WTC not having a twin at this point in my life.

Sorry... Maybe I´m not from NYC and I dont feel what you feel about the twin towers and about what means the new WTC :kiss:


My heart beats for Paris :bowtie:

Sorry... Maybe I´m not from NYC and I dont feel what you feel about the twin towers and about what means the new WTC :kiss:


My heart beats for Paris :bowtie:

Cool story bro, thanks for sharing! :banana:

Sorry... Maybe I´m not from NYC and I dont feel what you feel about the twin towers and about what means the new WTC :kiss:

My heart beats for Paris :bowtie:

Hmm ok that's nice

i am quite accepting of it too i don't see how u cant fathom the idea of it appearing to be a twin tower when their heights at the position would be the same. maybe you should get your brain checked.

i am quite accepting of it too i don't see how u cant fathom the idea of it appearing to be a twin tower when their heights at the position would be the same. maybe you should get your brain checked.

Apparently you're not as accepting as you say. Who cares about the heights of buildings at random vantage points? They look nothing alike! You can even tell how far apart they are from that angle which makes you think they're twins. It's a rather moot point. Unless you mean they're fraternal twins...like, extremely fraternal.

I miss when this thread used to be full of more intelligent discussion, rather than bickering about this crap. Pretty lame.

One building is clearly glass, while the other one isn't. The buildings dont even have the same shape. And why would somebody need their brain check, when we know the two buildings aren't related.

that was quite a storm :|

that was quite a storm :|

Certainly was a lot of rain. Too bad it didn't cool the weather off though, just made it more into a muggy steambath.

I hope moderators don't barge in here and wipe out these posts for being off-topic, it's not like people are posting pictures that frequently anymore since that incident.

aperently neither of u heard my statement of being at night. the idea is at night u cant see the exact shape or the curves of beekmen amking it harder to tell the difference between the two

Hey you know what you might be right. They do look a lot a like at night.

No I'm just bullshitting you lol.

I seen both buildings at night. And they look nothing alike.

aperently neither of u heard my statement of being at night. the idea is at night u cant see the exact shape or the curves of beekmen amking it harder to tell the difference between the two

I heard it, and I factored it into my reply to you in which I said they look nothing alike. Can you cite us the night photo that gave you this perspective?

I'm a newbie, just registrated myself. Only to let know how gorgeous the photos are, like to say how enthousiastic I am about these updates regarding the Freedomtower.
I watch every day and enjoy all of it.

I went back a few pages and saw this, just had to get a laugh out of it. :hahaha:

In one day, almost four pages with unnecessary issues for this discussion.

Anyway ... Interesting image.

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072911_nimbostratus (http://www.flickr.com/photos/cloud_city/5988663357/) por cloudcity (http://www.flickr.com/people/cloud_city/), no Flickr

noooo! tower 2 is a masterpiece!!!

...I wonder, why they didn't start with tower 2 simultanously with tower 1..

I still don't think Foster designed Tower 2...

Look at it in that fog! The FT will be so amazing when it is topped out and the glass is completed.

I still don't think Foster designed Tower 2...

Look at it in that fog! The FT will be so amazing when it is topped out and the glass is completed.

It's 1 WTC, not the freedom tower...

It's 1 WTC, not the freedom tower...

Patrick, I already stated that I will not call it that name, at least not in writing. I know it is not the "Freedom Tower", but 1 WTC was the name of the old North Tower.

I still call it the Freedom Tower from time to time. But I have to agree with the PANYNJ, 1WTC is a more marketable name. And I'm just wonder IanG, what will you call 2WTC?

I still call it the Freedom Tower from time to time. But I have to agree with the PANYNJ, 1WTC is a more marketable name. And I'm just wonder IanG, what will you call 2WTC?

"Tower 2", or perhaps "The Foster Tower" (since it is insisted that he designed it, etcetera, etcetera.) I'm really not sure...

I do agree that "1WTC" is a more marketable name.

I might stop calling freedom tower all together. It's a Pataki name and it just sounds arrogant. What about the other buildings, shouldn't they be Freedom Towers too. Why not call it the World Freedom Center. The more I think about it, the dumber it sounds.

I might stop calling freedom tower all together. It's a Pataki name and it just sounds arrogant. What about the other buildings, shouldn't they be Freedom Towers too. Why not call it the World Freedom Center. The more I think about it, the dumber it sounds.

Did I do something wrong?
Freedom Tower "sounds" arrogant, but it doesn't have to "be".

"World Freedom Center" makes no intelligible sense.

Obama and Bush to Visit New York for 9/11 Anniversary
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/29/bloomberg-announces-911-anniversary-plans/
The 10th anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks will be a grand but subdued affair in New York City that will involve two presidents, poetry readings and visits by victims’ family members to the new memorial, Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg said Friday.

President Obama and his predecessor, former President George W. Bush, will attend, Mr. Bloomberg said in an appearance on WOR-AM (710). Former Gov. George E. Pataki of New York and former Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani, who were in office during the attacks, will participate, as will Mr. Bloomberg, Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo of New York and Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey.

Mr. Bloomberg said the officials would take turns reading quotations and poems to commemorate the day. The list of 9/11 victims will also be read in its entirety, and for the first time the annual recitation will also include the names of those who died in Northern Virginia and Pennsylvania.

“This cannot be political,” Mr. Bloomberg said. “No speeches whatsoever. It’s not an appropriate thing.”

The World Trade Center site will be accessible on Sept. 11 only to family members of those killed in the attacks; the memorial will open to the general public, by reservation, the next day. Officials have already received several hundred thousand reservations, and they expect several million more in the first year.

Mr. Bloomberg said the site would be something of a maze to navigate, with several security checkpoints near the entrance on the west side and with construction areas cordoned off. Scaffolding will cover the area near the Freedom Tower, currently under construction, to prevent debris from falling on visitors.

“It’s a very carefully, well thought out system,” the mayor said. But, he added, “I’m sure some people are going to complain.”

Mr. Bloomberg said the public would still have access to the major landmarks, including the waterfall reflecting pools that stand as footprints of the former twin towers. The names of the victims of the 2001 attacks, as well as the 1993 bombing at the World Trade Center, are inscribed on the edges of the pools.

“You’ll be able to walk up and touch the names and look over and around both of the voids,” Mr. Bloomberg said.

Construction of the memorial and a corresponding museum is expected to be finished by 2014, but parts will open before then.

The museum will bring visitors underground to the foundations of the original World Trade Center. It will display remnants of the staircases that people used to rush to safety in the aftermath of the attacks, as well as artifacts from the site.

One of those artifacts, a cross-shaped steel beam found amid the rubble, has stirred controversy in recent days. American Atheists, a nonprofit group, filed a lawsuit arguing that the cross, which became a symbol of hope to many in the days after the attacks, violated the United States Constitution because it is a religious symbol and the museum is partly financed by the government.

Asked about the lawsuit, Mr. Bloomberg defended the cross, saying it was a part of history.

“In a museum, you want to show things that impacted people’s behavior back then, even if you don’t think it was right,” he said. “Museums are for history.”

Other religious artifacts would be displayed, he added, including a Star of David cut from the steel of the towers, a Jewish prayer shawl and a Bible.

“A lot of people looked to religion for strength after the attack,” he said. “You shouldn’t tell people what religion to practice or whether to practice a religion, but you also shouldn’t prevent people from practicing any religion they want in any ways they want.”

I said it sounds stupid. 1WTC is fine by my standards.

@IanG, that info should be post at the NS11M&M thread (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1144445&page=900). :okay:

July 29th..

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Freedom Tower rising (http://www.flickr.com/photos/capnrich/5987677215/in/photostream) by pbr_streetgang (http://www.flickr.com/people/capnrich/) on Flickr

yea this tower has more meaning than all of the super talls that have been made in the past 40 years combined

That's what it's all about. Thinking of the tragedy what makes this tower rise, the story behind it.

I hope I make myself clear because my english is not so very good :)

New World Trade Center Now Officially Tallest Building In Lower Manhattan

http://cbsnewyork.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/261427ef-9566-4fd2-a42a-e1d4a2d7299e-big.jpg?w=300
One World Trade Center, left, rises up in the Manhattan skyline in this aerial photo,
Wednesday, July 27, 2011, in New York. (AP Photo/Mark Lennihan)

July 29, 2011

The steel of number one World Trade Center now pokes above the skyline. It’s the tallest building in lower Manhattan, now up to the 76th floor with concrete decked boards up to the 68th story and glass curtain walls installed to the 49th floor.
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/07/29/new-world-trade-center-now-officially-tallest-building-in-lower-manhattan/

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Photo by Simple Life Of Riley (http://www.flickr.com/photos/simple-life-of-riley/), on Flickr

No matter what you call 1 wtc its still going to be a great building.

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Ground Zero (http://www.flickr.com/photos/vinschiano/5988340807/) by Vin_Schiano (http://www.flickr.com/people/vinschiano/), on Flickr

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Ground Zero (http://www.flickr.com/photos/vinschiano/5988330709/) by Vin_Schiano (http://www.flickr.com/people/vinschiano/), on Flickr

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Ground Zero (http://www.flickr.com/photos/vinschiano/5988600394/) by Vin_Schiano (http://www.flickr.com/people/vinschiano/), on Flickr

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Ground Zero (http://www.flickr.com/photos/vinschiano/5988581478/) by Vin_Schiano (http://www.flickr.com/people/vinschiano/), on Flickr

This will be a great skyscraper when completed!

Does anyone know why is this HD cam no longer working?

http://evsdatacenter.netfirms.com/kpitv/silver.htm

It was fine till the 25th of July, but nothing since then.

It will be a shame if it is off permanently.

Why there seems to be a missing or more transparent piece of glass at the very left of the 23rd row of glass on the south face? Sorry if this question was already asked, but I just can't read every single post, even if I've been fllowing this thread for some time.

Webcams go down all the time. Earthcam and RBGZ have been known to go down for weeks or months at a time.

Why there seems to be a missing or more transparent piece of glass at the very left of the 23rd row of glass on the south face? Sorry if this question was already asked, but I just can't read every single post, even if I've been fllowing this thread for some time.

correct me if im wrong but i believe that is for ventilation purposes

Amazing earthcam capture just now.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b125/Uaarkson/WTC22.jpg

Why there seems to be a missing or more transparent piece of glass at the very left of the 23rd row of glass on the south face? Sorry if this question was already asked, but I just can't read every single post, even if I've been fllowing this thread for some time.

It's on the east face, probably manufacturer defect.

Some shots i took today from Jersey City...and Manhattan...

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DSCN2634 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/5992104671/) by Nexis4Jersey09 (http://www.flickr.com/people/42178139@N06/), on Flickr

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DSCN2660 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/5992112199/) by Nexis4Jersey09 (http://www.flickr.com/people/42178139@N06/), on Flickr

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DSCN2654 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/5992110555/) by Nexis4Jersey09 (http://www.flickr.com/people/42178139@N06/), on Flickr

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DSCN2643 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/5992107281/) by Nexis4Jersey09 (http://www.flickr.com/people/42178139@N06/), on Flickr

It could be for construction ventilation, as for renders, it's not in any of the originals.
VVV
http://static.flickr.com/77/202631900_047ba88411_o.jpg

If you see in the image below, the areas above and below the openings are the same material as the intermediate floor concrete, and the total area is the same area as one of the panes

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6148/5992687958_af868ee282.jpg

I'm not a huge fan of the Charlie Brown design on the base. I wish they would have made the design somewhat similar to the base of the twins. Anyway I see grass in that render, they are actually going to put grass...right?

I'm not a huge fan of the Charlie Brown design on the base. I wish they would have made the design somewhat similar to the base of the twins. Anyway I see grass in that render, they are actually going to put grass...right?

:lol: Charlie brown! You mean the zig zags of coarse :lol:

Anyway I see grass in that render, they are actually going to put grass...right?

Yes but not in that area, cobblestone will cover the vast majority of the 8 acre plaza, only the "Memorial Glade" will have partially some grass... More info at the NS11M&M thread (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1144445).

cobblestone makes me think that they're building this in minecraft :P

cobblestone makes me think that they're building this in minecraft :PAn image of Minecraft flashed through my head while I was reading his post :p

^^ That's what I thought too :lol:

July 30
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July 25th..

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July 26th..

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July 26th..

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^^ I was at the exact same spot last year at night and it was phenomenal. Close to this spot, there is a mesmerizing memorial, built from three WTC steelcolumns. You see the made damage on them, and all i thought was "what kind of force can make steel bend like this?". Cuz the columns are massive.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/31/new-york-towers-memorial-architecture

9/11 Ground Zero: why has its rebirth turned sour?

Ten years on from the 9/11 attacks, the project to rebuild New York's World Trade Centre site is still riven by political and professional infighting


Rowan Moore
The Observer, Sunday 31 July 2011
Article history

Work under way at the World Trade Centre site in New York, July 2011. The square fountains that sit where the Twin Towers once stood open to the public on the 9/11 terrorist attacks' 10th anniversary. Photograph: Mark Lennihan/AP

This 11 September, exactly 10 years after the Twin Towers of the World Trade Centre fell, politicians and relatives of the victims will gather in a grove of 415 trees planted on the event's charged ground. Two huge cascades of water, each occupying the square footprint of one of towers, will start churning, ceaselessly, forever. Inscribed in a bronze strip surrounding the cascades will be the names of those killed in the 9/11 attacks, including those at the Pentagon and on United flight 93, which crashed in a field in Pennsylvania, as this is the national 9/11 memorial, not just New York's.

The memorial will be ready, just, although it will be accessible only by advance booking for another two years. It could not miss this deadline. Despite billions of public dollars, thousands of ideas for memorials and rebuilding, a shared public desire to honour the event and speeches by governors and mayors about the urgent need to get things done, perhaps a third of all the reconstruction that will happen here has so far taken place.

Work on 7 World Trade Centre, a relatively plain tower at the edge of the site, was completed in 2006. Otherwise, the grove and the fountains stand among pits, canyons, cranes and rising frames, a Bosch landscape of machines and mud, of digging down and piling up, as skyscrapers, a train station, a museum and 550,000 sq ft of retail space take shape.

"It is very New York," is what everyone connected with the project says, by which they mean that everyone has an opinion and an interest, which must face down the opinions and interests of others. Much of the past decade has been spent in arguing, in law courts, in the media, at public and private meetings. Relatives of victims had different views from one another, and from people living near the Ground Zero site, who did not want their neighbourhood to become a shrine to catastrophe. One of the residents' leaders was told she would "burn in hell". Construction became political: protestors against slow progress carried placards saying: "Don't forget 9/11. Delay means defeat." There was rage and defiance, a desire to stick it back to the terrorists, which made it very likely that large towers would be put back on the site.

In the years following 9/11, the event was honoured by a carnival of pretention and viciousness, as architects felt compelled – as there can be narcissism in healing – to put themselves at the centre of the stage cleared by the attacks. "We're going to crush his nuts," said one of another, while others preened and posed and drivelled about the fusion "of military and urban space" or new towers that would "kiss and touch and become one". They employed black propaganda, old boys' networks, emotional posturing and shameless spinning. At stake was the greatest commission in the world, the chance to shape 16 acres of Manhattan property that were also the site of the most momentous event of the 21st century thus far. It was not just about the memorial but about the towers, station and museum that would go on the site as well.

The way they were: the World Trade Centre’s twin towers dominate the New York skyline in the 1990s. Photograph: Peter J. Eckel/Time & Life Pictures/Getty

After a false start or two, several architects were asked to take part in an "innovative design study", a process that was not supposed to have any winners. Then a winner was chosen, a group called Think, a decision overturned the next day by George Pataki, the governor of New York State, who chose Daniel Libeskind instead.

Libeskind's design studies were then called a masterplan, even though there had not been the time or money to work them out as fully as a masterplan would normally be. They then acquired the status, at least for some politicians, of designs for individual buildings, which they were not either. What were essentially sketches were treated as blueprints for multibillion-dollar structures.

Libeskind is the Polish-born son of Holocaust survivors, and designer of the Jewish Museum in Berlin, who, as a teenager, had arrived in New York, in the time-honoured way of immigrants, by boat. He was well placed to speak of freedom, hope, conflict and tragedy. His proposals, in which fractured geometric forms rose into a triumphant spiral said to echo the Statue of Liberty's torch, soaked the site in symbols. Its pinnacle would be the tallest building in the world – 1,776ft high in honour of the date of the American Declaration of Independence – which Pataki would name the Freedom Tower.

Nor was Libeskind afraid, though no Republican, to borrow the Bushite warping of language that followed 9/11: "Freedom" to mean "America", "heroes" to mean "victims". He called his project "Memory Foundations" and said it represented "life victorious". Libeskind is intelligent – when he received news of his win he was reading God, Death, and Time by the talmudist Emmanuel Levinas – but he can sound remarkably simplistic when he wants to.

There was a snag. "That idiot," as one of his rivals puts it, uncharitably, "he forgot that most American of things – the contract." There were in fact other architects engaged to work on the site, the giant, business-friendly practice Skidmore, Owings & Merrill. SOM had been hired by Larry Silverstein, the developer who bought a long lease on the towers in the summer of 2001, a few weeks before they fell, and they were still his architects. His lease required him to put back all 10 million sq ft of the office space destroyed, so his views mattered. According to Janno Lieber of the Silverstein Corporation: "Larry said to Libeskind, 'Congratulations, this is a phenomenal plan. You've managed to accommodate everyone. But – no disrespect – I'd like my architects to design the individual buildings.'"

The main man at SOM was David Childs, now aged 70, prominent for decades in American architecture but never adulated like its more glamorous stars. His style is courteous but ruthless, that of one used to getting his own way. The project was also personal for him, as it was for many. A member of SOM's staff was killed in the attacks and Childs and his team had all too good a view from their Wall Street offices, a few blocks away. "There was a young man with tears streaming down his face," recalls Childs. "He said, 'Will they fall?' I said, 'No.'"

Pataki pushed Libeskind for a while but, according to Childs, Silverstein needed architects with experience of large buildings, such as SOM. Libeskind wanted to design the Freedom Tower, the most conspicuous element of his plan, but found himself put in a junior partnership with SOM ("We're a team organisation but we needed 51% of the vote," is how Childs describes it). Then he became an increasingly marginal figure as Childs redesigned the tower as he wanted it.

The outcome of the Childs/Libeskind showdown is now the most prominent object in the place that in the 1960s was named the World Trade Centre, became Ground Zero in 2001 and now – to lighten its load of significance – is called the World Trade Centre again. The rising tower, its slick skin chasing its steel-and-concrete frame up to the sky, is already taller than anything in Britain but still far from its final height. Libeskind wanted a dynamic, asymmetrical shape but the tower will now be a symmetrical obelisk, in emulation of the Washington Monument in Washington DC. Childs calls it "iconic and simple".

The Freedom Tower, now renamed 1 World Trade Centre, looks assertive and confident, like the towers of corporate America anywhere, but it has contradictions. It is unsure if it is a symbol or a piece of commercial real estate. Childs refers to the Washington Monument but also cites the importance of "market realities", among other things, as a reason for discarding Libeskind. Yet its size is grandiose and its security measures elaborate, for obvious reasons, which make it expensive in a location that is not New York's hottest commercial spot. It does not obviously respect market realities. At least, it did not convince Silverstein, who refused to build it, meaning that the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, the public body that owns the freehold, decided to put its own funds into putting up the tower, with uncertain prospects of an early, sufficient return on its investment.

Freedom Tower nears completion. Photograph: Rowan Moore for the Observer

The tower is the pinnacle of Childs's career, as it would be of any architect's, yet he is openly contemptuous of what might seem an important design feature, its height. This, achieved with the help of a large steel stick, retains the magic number specified by Libeskind: "1,776 feet, whatever that's worth," says Childs. "Nobody's going to count the feet."

The rebuilding of Ground Zero is an immense public building project, consuming billions of public dollars, pushed by mayors and governors, of a scale that would impress an old-fashioned socialist despot. Yet it is also a commercial development by the Silverstein Corporation. Its most important guiding document is Silverstein's lease agreement of summer 2001 and its requirement, blind to the imminent attacks and the emotional charge they would bring, that any destroyed accommodation should be put back. It meant that, whatever else happened, there would be very large office blocks on the site.None of the powerful people involved with the site since then has been able or willing to change this requirement.

At the same time, it was impossible for anything built there not to be a symbol, given what had happened and given the geometric potency of the Twin Towers. Their architect, Minoru Yamasaki, dreamed, with hopelessly misplaced optimism, that they would become "a representation of man's belief in humanity, his need for individual dignity, his beliefs in the co-operation of men, and through co-operation, his ability to find greatness". The fearful symmetries of their downfall, and the contrast between the perfection of their forms and the chaos of their collapse, ensured that architecture and construction were enmeshed in the event.

Hence the contradictions. Is it a symbol? Is it an office block? It is both.

What are most clearly symbols are the two square cascades of the memorial, which lie in front of the tower in an eight-acre plaza containing the grove of 415 trees. The memorial is by Michael Arad, the architect who won a design competition held in 2003-4, beating 5,200 entrants. He was 34 at the time, unknown and inexperienced, and has realised the work in partnership with the well-established landscape architect Peter Walker.

Arad was living in Lower Manhattan at the time of the attacks and, like many, "was very affected by what I saw and felt compelled to do something about it". He recalls the place as a "ghost town" after 9/11, but with people instinctively gathering at night in public places such as Washington Square. From this, he learned that "public spaces are the glue that binds society together".

Almost immediately, Arad started imagining a memorial, spending "a lot of time and effort drawing and sketching and modelling". He came up with two squares set in the Hudson River, "with the surface of water torn open, by voids that will never fill". Then the competition was announced and he adapted his idea to the location at Ground Zero. At the same time, inspired by his discovery of the power of public space, he wanted them set in a large, flat, open plaza. He called his plan "Reflecting Absence" and won.

For Walker, the main problem was maintaining the flatness and openness of the plaza, which was essential to Arad's design, without making it bare and arid. The most important part of the answer is the trees, selected and nurtured, with great difficulty, so that they are all the same size.

Both Walker and Arad had to fight the many pressures to put unwanted stuff in the empty space, such as skylights for the train station or 17 air vents 20ft high. "How can you make something flat with 17 vents in it?" says Walker, who needed Pataki's help to sort out that one. They had to find the right kind of seating: park benches seemed inappropriate but so did oblong slabs that "looked as if they might have a dead person underneath"; so the slabs had to be given dimensions that made them look less tomb-like.

They had to make the cascades work, with the help of a mock-up in Toronto, and Walker still sounds a caution. "We've made them as well as we know how, but they're mechanical and usually mechanical things only last 30-40 years." Somehow, the money will have to be found to pump the water round for ever and ever. You get the impression Walker would not have gone for fountains if it had been up to him.

Arad wanted the names of the victims to be inscribed near the bottom of the cascades, with visitors descending to them behind the screen of falling water. Cost and security issues made this prohibitive and the names will now be around the cascades' upper rim, at the level of the plaza.

Even this simpler presentation took years to resolve, not least because of the question of the order in which the names, which include the six people who died in the 1993 attack on the World Trade Centre, would be arranged. Should they be alphabetical? Should they be random? Eventually it was agreed that names should be arranged by groupings of place – who was in which tower, on the ground, in which plane or in the Pentagon. However, relatives were invited to make "meaningful adjacency requests", of which 1,200 were received, whereby they could ask for particular names to be together.

Arad's and Walker's other concern was, as it was for most who have touched this site since 2001, the balance of remembrance and renewal. "A lot of people," says Arad, "thought it had to be either a living park or a cemetery and a forever dismal place." The combination of the fountains and the canopy of trees is intended to house both death and life, both acts of pilgrimage and lunchtime sandwich eating by office workers. "You walk through trees," says Walker, "and suddenly these waterfalls open up underneath you. Then you turn around and you're in a forest, which is a symbol of life."

Newspaper critics are being kept at a distance from the memorial for now, but it is possible to see from surrounding buildings that each fountain is vast. As each of each square's four sides is more than 200ft, and there are two squares, the total length of falling water is nearly a third of a mile. Each cascade drops 30ft, before dropping another 30ft down a smaller square hole in the centre, down to the level of the bedrock under the site.

But they are not the end of the remembering. Beneath the plaza, a museum is being built, with 100,000 sq ft of exhibition space. Exhibits will include crushed cars and fire trucks, twisted metal from the old towers and photographs and remembrances of victims. Within the museum's vast spaces it will be possible to see the slurry wall, the rough concrete that kept out the waters of the Hudson river, allowing the Twin Towers to be built. Never intended to be seen, it was revealed after they fell.

The cross discovered upright in the ruins of Ground Zero will be included in the museum beneath the plaza. Photograph: Mark Lennihan/AP

Above the pavement of the plaza can be seen the entrance pavilion to the museum, a tilting shard by the Norwegian practice Snøhetta. To one side is rising Tower Four, designed by the Japanese architect Fumihiko Maki. Work is also proceeding on Tower Three, by the British practice Rogers Stirk Harbour and Partners. Next to it will be a transport interchange, linking the subways and trains, designed by the Spanish architect Santiago Calatrava. Tower Two, by Foster and Partners and taller than the Empire State Building, is on hold for now. A proposed performing arts centre by Frank Gehry remains a distant prospect. On the other hand, Ground Zero's great unknown monument, 550,000 sq ft of retail, is on track.

These buildings are the constructional response of New York to 9/11, primed with some of the $20bn of federal money that the New York senators Hillary Clinton and Chuck Schumer won from Congress in the wake of the attacks. Most are far from complete. Tower One, the former Freedom Tower, is due to be finished in 2014. Calatrava's station is scheduled for 2014, the museum for 2012. Most are prodigiously expensive: the Freedom Tower costs more than $3bn, and the museum and memorial combined $700m. The station, originally budgeted at $2.2bn, is reputed to be heading towards $4bn.

All the buildings have what the Silverstein Corporation calls "significant" architects. It is an interesting adjective, as significance has always been the big issue at the World Trade Centre. Yamasaki wanted significance for his towers, that of world peace. Al-Qaida saw them differently. Since 9/11, all the argument and anguish has been about the ways in which construction can express and honour the significance of the event. Yet the way in which Foster or Calatrava are "significant" is different. Here, the word means "well known, successful and highly regarded". Its meaning is hollowed out; its relation to the significance of the site is approximate.

Libeskind's promise was significance. It can be debated how successfully his ideas would have achieved it but what is clear is that the Pritzker-winning architects – Norman Foster, Richard Rogers and Maki – hired by Silverstein for the other towers, have not been inclined to defer to Libeskind's vision. The towers will ascend in a vague, stiff, spiral, roughly in accordance with Libeskind's wishes, but each is a singular assertive object rather than a figure in a great unified gesture. Until such time as the Foster tower is completed, which could yet be a decade from now, it remains to be seen how plain is the resemblance of the group to Lady Liberty's torch or how many people will care if it is.

Others of Libeskind's ideas have fallen away. He had wanted the memorial plaza to be sunk but Arad and Walker raised it back to street level. He envisaged a "wedge of light" where sunshine would fall, each 11 September, between the times when the first plane hit the North Tower and the second tower to fall – also the North Tower – collapsed. The extravagant roof of Calatrava's station compromises this idea, whose effectiveness had already been questioned. Calatrava, using the greeting card triteness that has infected many in this project, said his roof would be like a dove released from the hands of a child. In reality, like much of his work, it is mostly about Santiago Calatrava. He has designed similar-looking roofs elsewhere, without a dove pretext in sight.

Libeskind is nothing if not optimistic and despite past rages at Childs is now serene. "The fundamental ideas are exactly there," he says. He may sound almost like Saddam Hussein's PR man, Comical Ali, proclaiming victory as the US army could be seen entering Baghdad behind him, but he can at least list ideas of his that are still there, such as the 1,776ft of the tower, the open space containing the memorial, the exposure of the slurry wall and the idea that retail should be spread about the site rather than placed in a single underground zone.

Libeskind says his experience at Ground Zero "reaffirms [his] belief in democracy, which is as difficult as it can be worthwhile". The place is indeed a product of New York's version of democracy, in which no one has the ability to assume complete control, not even the mayor, Michael Bloomberg, the man widely credited for ensuring that the project has got as far as it has. The site becomes a jostle of competing interests, in which a combination of money, power and loud voices, tempered to a degree by public opinion, tends to win.

The jostle of buildings reflects this jostle of power. They do not connect or cohere, except in a very general way. There is a reluctance to engage with the specific or the small-scale. The memorial is one thing, the museum another, the station and former Freedom Tower others again.

At the same time, all are driven by a pervading fear that whatever is built to honour 9/11 will not be enough. So everything – waterfall, towers, museum, plaza, station – is huge. Was it really necessary to try to build the tallest building in the world, creating immense security issues in the process, especially now that New York has been thrust out of the tallest-building game by Dubai?

Subtlety, intimacy and complexity are blunted and in a sense the development is untypical New York. In the past decade, the city has acquired a certain lightness and playfulness, represented by the High Line, the phenomenally successful conversion of a railway viaduct into a public park. Or by the never-ending ingenuity with which restaurant menus and cocktails are constructed; or by the glittering, joyful residential skyscraper that Frank Gehry has put up downtown. For better and worse, the city resembles a giant habitable iPad, a delectable grid where gratification can be had at a touch. The World Trade Centre feels ponderous, corporate and old-fashioned by comparison. For a Londoner, it feels like Canary Wharf.

But it will be effective. The magnificent waterfalls and the exhibits in the museum will do their job of assuaging the event. The generalness and abundance will mean that most of the many, many parties who care about the site, from property developers to victims' families and residents, will be satisfied. It will achieve closure but with a looseness that avoids the need to reconcile conflicts that may be irreconcilable. The train station will pump people into the skyscrapers, who will lunch under the trees and shop in the mall.

It will have been a long time coming, and cost an extraordinary amount, but it will be there. And, possibly, given the ways New York does and does not work, no other route was possible but the one by which it got there.

^^ People should finally stop calling the WTC site Ground Zero. :ohno:

^^ People should finally stop calling the WTC site Ground Zero. :ohno:
^^
Correct: "Ground One":applause:

AP Photos

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/01ZedAa0nAdVz/610x.jpg Has started standing out of the crowd!:cool:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/31/new-york-towers-memorial-architecture

9/11 Ground Zero: why has its rebirth turned sour?


Maybe Rowan Moore should do some research? Tower Two isn't on hold, as far as I know, and it won't take 10 years for WTC2 to be completed. And such a weird caption for the 1WTC picture, the "Freedom Tower", as he calls it, isn't nearing completion.

wow, it's finally on top of downtown :banana:

Was just driving back from the Bronx Zoo ... driving over the Throgs Neck Bridge... its really making an impact on NYC's skyline. Loving It!

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Willy-B - Corlears Hook (http://www.flickr.com/photos/joelrnyc/5992403978/) by Joel Raskin (http://www.flickr.com/people/joelrnyc/), on Flickr

More good WTC news
Last Updated: 3:35 AM, July 30, 2011
Posted: July 30, 2011



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Just weeks after Conde Nast, one of the world's top media companies, agreed to become the anchor tenant at 1 World Trade Center by renting a million square feet comes word of another critically important development in the rebirth of Lower Manhattan.
Westfield Group, the Australian-based builder and operator of major shopping malls worldwide, has forged a deal with the Port Authority to bring high-end shops and restaurants to the rebuilt area around Ground Zero.
As part of that effort, Westfield will contribute $612.5 million toward constructing 365,000 square feet of retail space, in return for a 50 percent stake in the development.
Given Westfield's proven track record, that sounds a like a good deal all around.
Indeed, it will mean a significant upgrade in the quality of the area's retail businesses that existed before the tragic events of 9/11 a decade ago.
The agreement still must be ratified by the PA board. But kudos to all, particularly Executive Director Chris Ward, who is making impressive strides toward creating a new reality at the World

Damn I thought there was more news but that already been posted on here.

Will the new WTC have more floor space or office space than its predecessor (not counting the not-yet finalised 5 WTC)?

July 31
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Somebody knows which are standing at the top?

Just want to say thanks for all those who put this photos, I appreciate it (and I'm not the only one). I love to keep in touch this way, the city and the progressing of the Freedom Tower.

Will the new WTC have more floor space or office space than its predecessor (not counting the not-yet finalised 5 WTC)?

old wtc complex had 6.6 million sq ft where as the new one has 4 million more at 10.6 million.(this doesn't include 5 wtc but it has the old sq footage for wtc3 so its probably a little bit less but not far off)

And after Conde Nast relocates from 4 Times Square, what will become of 4 Times Square?

July 31st..

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WTC Fredom Tower Window Washers (http://www.flickr.com/photos/michaeldillonphotography/5996100982/in/photostream) by Michael Dillon VA (http://www.flickr.com/people/michaeldillonphotography/) on Flickr

July 31st..

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While-We-Can-Still-See-2 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/michaeldillonphotography/5995544409/in/photostream) by Michael Dillon VA (http://www.flickr.com/people/michaeldillonphotography/) on Flickr

July 31st..

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NJ 9-11Memorial with Freedom Tower Construction in NYC (http://www.flickr.com/photos/michaeldillonphotography/5993624771/in/photostream) by Michael Dillon VA (http://www.flickr.com/people/michaeldillonphotography/) on Flickr

^^ :drool: what a view.

Absolutely stunning. Just imagine this shot when the towers are complete. ^^

:dance2:

on what floor was the octagon?

July 31st..

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Downtown Manhattan, New York (http://www.flickr.com/photos/helentravelling/5996700814/in/photostream) by helentravelling (http://www.flickr.com/people/helentravelling/) on Flickr

July 29th..

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Freedom Tower rising with Gehry New York (http://www.flickr.com/photos/capnrich/5995570845/in/photostream) by pbr_streetgang (http://www.flickr.com/people/capnrich/) on Flickr

What are the chances that we'll see 2/3WTC in that shot before 1 is completely... Complete? About late next year?

Edit-This shot. Not the other one.

July 31st..

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Downtown Manhattan, New York (http://www.flickr.com/photos/helentravelling/5996700814/in/photostream) by helentravelling (http://www.flickr.com/people/helentravelling/) on Flickr

July 29th..

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Freedom Tower rising w Woolworth Bldg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/capnrich/5995570741/in/photostream) by pbr_streetgang (http://www.flickr.com/people/capnrich/) on Flickr

July 29th..

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Freedom Tower rising w City Hall (http://www.flickr.com/photos/capnrich/5995570645/in/photostream) by pbr_streetgang (http://www.flickr.com/people/capnrich/) on Flickr

What are the chances that we'll see 2/3WTC in that shot before 1 is completely... Complete? About late next year?

Edit-This shot. Not the other one.

No one even knows if they will be built or paused next year..But 1WTC will be definitely complete before 2 and 3 will be visible in that view..

as i see, on this photo masonic sign?
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6134/5996700814_78a9a7ac33_b.jpg

Do you guys know when the bottom part of 1WTC will get clad please?

PS: it's actually the 3rd time I'm asking this question... :(

Those shots with Beekman, Woolworth, and 1WTC are incredible!

Do you guys know when the bottom part of 1WTC will get clad please?

PS: it's actually the 3rd time I'm asking this question... :(

Next year..That's the last part..

I'd like to know one thing, how do you folks calculate how tall 1WTC is from the floor count? Do you know it from some page? WTCprogress only says that it's 76 floors now :dunno:

I think someone vandalized the 1 WTC wikipedia page, as far as I know 1 WTC is not going to be residential. :lol:

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World Trade 01 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlindesigner/5993635891/) by Carlin Felder (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlindesigner/), on Flickr

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I'd like to know one thing, how do you folks calculate how tall 1WTC is from the floor count? Do you know it from some page? WTCprogress only says that it's 76 floors now :dunno:

The base is 186' high above lobby floor, then each office floor measure 13' 4".

[QUOTE=primus20 ]on what floor was the octagon?

I believe it was the 75 floor not sure

on what floor was the octagon?

I believe it was the 75 floor not sure

The 72nd floor plate is a perfect octagon

The base is 186' high above lobby floor, then each office floor measure 13' 4".

Thanks very much. Now I can better calculate what height are we on :master::cheers:

July 31st..

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NJ 9-11Memorial with Freedom Tower Construction in NYC (http://www.flickr.com/photos/michaeldillonphotography/5993624771/in/photostream) by Michael Dillon VA (http://www.flickr.com/people/michaeldillonphotography/) on Flickr

sorry but wheres that picture taken from? i really need to visit this point ... so amazing

^^ jersey City, Exchange Place. You can go there via PATH from WTC. It is only one station and costs 4,5$ roundtrip.

The base is 186' high above lobby floor, then each office floor measure 13' 4".

The base is exactly 186' 8" high. Then it goes up by 13' 4" every floor to the 87th. The last office floor is the 88th which is 14' 4" tall.

Just to make sure, the first floor above the base is floor 21, right?

Just to make sure, the first floor above the base is floor 21, right?

The first floor above the base is the 20th floor. I'll post the rest of the floor heights after work if someone doesn't beat me to it.

The base is exactly 186' 8" high. Then it goes up by 13' 4" every floor to the 87th. The last office floor is the 88th which is 14' 4" tall.
:doh:

@Kanto, if you wanna make a diagram or some update whenever they install new core/perimeter steel columns, you should count another 4' splice. :okay:

Are there any renders of what it will look like on the top floor of 1 WTC, before the roof?

AP Photo (http://www.apimages.com/)
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0eew3RQ6Rh3Tv/x610.jpg

This picture is amazing! Slowly rising from were these two stood...:okay:

http://wwwdelivery.superstock.com/WI/223/459/PreviewComp/SuperStock_459-571C.jpg

Great pictures !!!!
Terrorists can destroy bricks and mortar, but they will NEVER destroy spirits, genius and brains.

This is World Trade Center II after World Trade Center I.
Good work guys.

Next year..That's the last part..

Is it? :weird: I didn't know that...there must obviously be a reason for that, but I have no idea why...

Many thanks DinoVabec ;)

there must obviously be a reason for that, but I have no idea why...

There's still alot of material that need to go through the lobby + some mechanical equipment need to be installed above the lobby floor before adding the base cladding. Another reason why they aren't installing the panels is because once installed it's easy to get damaged.

The original plans featured prismatic glass panels, but due to costs issues, they needed to be redesigned. No aviable information of the new panels.

OK, so with the new information I got I calculated that 1WTC is now 937 feet or 286 meters tall, making it the third tallest building in NY with lacking only 2 meters to reach the height of the BoA tower:

http://i55.tinypic.com/29lifif.jpg

After the next jump, when it'll beat BoA, I'll make a diagram for the entire US, since it will still be far away from beating ESB.

Oh god.

BTW, to be consistent about not counting spires, you will never have it pass the Sears Tower, correct?

^^ Yup, for me 1WTC will always be shorter than the Willis Tower, making it upon it's completition the 2nd tallest in the US :cheers:

Also, can you please give heights in feet? Many readers here are from the US and don't like dealing with meters - it is hard for us to conceptualize. For example, I care about when it breaks the 1,000 foot threshold, not when it breaks the 300 meter mark. If you can give both feet and meters that would be great.

Some black scaffolding started to form around the southeastern corner of the base, does anybody know what this is for?

http://i53.tinypic.com/nvocr5.png

That is fair, and I agree. They should have made this thing taller and let us overtake Chicago.

kanto i think wtc1 is at like 965-980.

Oh god.

That's the something I was thinking.
Somebody should tell him ESB only about 1,060 feet, without the spire.

That is fair, and I agree. They should have made this thing taller and let us overtake Chicago.

F....Chicago we didn't building this building for them.

Come to think of it, sears tower will look a good deal bigger than this tower. This is still a large building though.

Are there any renders of what it will look like on the top floor of 1 WTC, before the roof?

:dunno:

Taken Saturday, July 30th on Fulton St. Sorry, I know it's a little bit late. http://i52.tinypic.com/21b0t95.jpg

kanto i think wtc1 is at like 965-980.

It's up to the 78th floor, 960 feet + 4 ft for the splice = 964 feet high.

OK, so with the new information I got I calculated that 1WTC is now 937 feet or 286 meters tall, making it the third tallest building in NY with lacking only 2 meters to reach the height of the BoA tower:

http://i55.tinypic.com/29lifif.jpg

After the next jump, when it'll beat BoA, I'll make a diagram for the entire US, since it will still be far away from beating ESB.

No one likes your diagrams. Please stop.

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Nice job Otie. But isn't that "core column" actually a perimeter column? And also, I believe 4WTC is past 500 feet, but I understand why you didn't change that. But still, nice job!

Some black scaffolding started to form around the southeastern corner of the base, does anybody know what this is for?

http://i53.tinypic.com/nvocr5.png

:uh:
Did the architects and designers of this tower have already made a decision on what are they going to do with the bunker base?
By the way, this is interesting!

bueatiful diagram otie.

Also, can you please give heights in feet? Many readers here are from the US and don't like dealing with meters - it is hard for us to conceptualize. For example, I care about when it breaks the 1,000 foot threshold, not when it breaks the 300 meter mark. If you can give both feet and meters that would be great.

Sure thing, tomorow I'll make one with feet, so there will be 2 of them, one in meters and one in feet :cheers:

Btw specter000, I thought we were at floor 76. At least that's what wtcprogress.com says

Btw specter000, I thought we were at floor 76. At least that's what wtcprogress.com says

wtcprogress.com is usually a little behind. Don't always trust them. We can clearly see a lone column for floors 77 and 78 poking up from Carlos pictures (on SSP).

Here are the floor heights for the rest of 1WTC, *add about four additional feet for the column splice and you'll have the height of 1WTC.

79 - 973' 4"
80 - 986' 8"
81 - 1,000'
82 - 1,013' 4"
83 - 1,026' 8"
84 - 1,040'
85 - 1,053' 4"
86 - 1,066' 8"
87 - 1,080'
88 - 1,093' 4" (last office floor, 14' 4" height)
89 - 1,107' 8" (broadcasting floor)
90 - 1,130' 8" (broadcasting floor)
91 - 1,151' 8" (mechanical)
92 - 1,181' 8" (mechanical)
92M - 1,194' 8" (mechanical)
93 - 1,208' 4"
93M - 1,223' 6"
100 - 1,240' (ex restaurant)
101 - 1,254' 2" (ex restaurant)
102 - 1,266' 8" (observation level)
103 - 1,293' 4"
104 - 1,313' 10"
105 - 1,334' 8" (roof)
top of parapet - 1,368'
106 - catwalk
107-109 - communications ring
110 - fictional/symbolic floor located in spire

You beat me, spectre :lol: One thing though, the Observation Deck is going to be located at floors 100 & 101. I understand Zen had the prints, but the PA flipped both of them a while back (don't remember the exact time).

Taken today August 1st, from work

At 75 stories already the tallest building downtown

http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm152/LICharlie1/World%20Trade%20Center/004.jpg

[QUOTE=Im Using A Computer;]Come to think of it, sears tower will look a good deal bigger than this tower. This is still a large building though.

Since the Willis roof is 83 feet taller yeah a little bit but with 1 wtc communication platform ring will lessen the effect a little but pinnacle height 1 wtc will be taller by 46 feet.

Taken today August 1st, from work

At 75 stories already the tallest building downtown



Do folks even bothering reading posts in this thread?!

I don't know why I even bother. :bash: :nuts: :ohno:

LOL. I know for some people they couldn't care less. But to some of us, we think way too much about it. Oh well.

The Real Deal (http://therealdeal.com/newyork/articles/concrete-worker-walk-outs-at-world-trade-center-prompt-rumors-of-strike-port-authority-says-no-delay-to-memorial)


Concrete worker walk-outs at WTC prompt rumors of strike
August 01, 2011 03:30PM

Hundreds of unionized cement and concrete workers have walked off the job at the World Trade Center site in response to the cement league trying to cut their pay by up to 20 percent, NY1 reported.

The walk-out may spell a strike, since the concrete workers have been working without a contract since July 1, but the Port Authority of New York & New Jersey says it will have no effect on the Sept. 11 memorial construction schedule.

"It's a horrible situation, you know? We built this city and they want to take money away from us, in this bad economy," said John Hardt, a member of the Cement and Concrete Workers Union.

A spokesperson for the Cement League said negotiations are ongoing.

Concrete workers stopped working on the WTC transit hub at Tower 1, the Wall Street Journal said.

The stoppage will have "no impact on construction of the 9/11 Memorial, which remains on track to open on the 10th anniversary [of the attacks], and minimal impacts on the site's other projects," said Steve Coleman, a spokesperson for the Port Authority.

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I hope that 1WTC will not be badly affected by this but we'll see...

The tower is important, but workers are first. What gets me mad is not stopping the construction, but prejudicing other workers that aren't involved in this stoppage.

Work Stoppage at WTC

The work stoppage forced about 600 other World Trade Center laborers to be sent home because construction could not proceed without concrete workers, Mr. Coletti added.

I went to NYC to on the weekend of July 16-17th and saw this beauty for the first time. I must say that I have never seen such a sparkling tower in my life. It looked absolutely flawless lol. Anyway, I'm looking forward to this tower being complete. It will be a gem in the New York Skyline. Here's a pic I took the day I saw it:

http://i.imgur.com/7ocCD.jpg

Wow WTC 1 is a giant, so excited for the completion of this building:)

That's the something I was thinking.
Somebody should tell him ESB only about 1,060 feet, without the spire.


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What??? the top floor of the Empire state building is 1224 feet :nuts: It's roof at 1250, the spire is actually a radio antenna that goes to 1470ish

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Skyline Of Lower Manhatten (http://www.flickr.com/photos/silversldr/5998869925/) by Silversldr (http://www.flickr.com/people/silversldr/), on Flickr

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Freedom Tower (http://www.flickr.com/photos/prodigy83/5995547523/) by Prodigy83 (http://www.flickr.com/people/prodigy83/), on Flickr

:omg:

Come to think of it, sears tower will look a good deal bigger than this tower. This is still a large building though.


Not at all, Sears tower is 150X75 feet wide at the top compared to 200X140 for WTC1 and. Sears is not even 100 feet higher and shorter to the pinnacle, look at the SSP diagram, they are of similar height. :banana:

However those will be the only 400 meter towers in the USA to the roof unless 2WTC turns out to be that tall.

Stopping this argument immediately (http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?searchID=51587203).

Not at all, Sears tower is 150X75 feet wide at the top compared to 200X140 for WTC1 and. Sears is not even 100 feet higher and shorter to the pinnacle, look at the SSP diagram, they are of similar height. :banana:

However those will be the only 400 meter towers in the USA to the roof unless 2WTC turns out to be that tall.
STR made a render comparing this building to the sears tower, and sears does look a good deal more massive. sears is thin towards the top but much wider lower down. the render shows the two buildings at different angles, which the diagrams at SSP are unable to do. and besides, i said bigger, which includes the overall size of the building, not just height. numbers support my claim to an extent as well. this building is 2.6m sq ft, whereas the sears tower is 3.8m sq ft. im not trying to spark an argument between sears and wtc. just trying to sort of put the wtc in context with other buildings to get a better sense of the size of the building.

The Real Deal (http://therealdeal.com/newyork/articles/concrete-worker-walk-outs-at-world-trade-center-prompt-rumors-of-strike-port-authority-says-no-delay-to-memorial)



I hope that 1WTC will not be badly affected by this but we'll see...

That explains why the site was empty over the weekend...

What??? the top floor of the Empire state building is 1224 feet :nuts: It's roof at 1250, the spire is actually a radio antenna that goes to 1470ish

Wrong the antenna sits on top of the spire.
And the roof of ESB doesnt reach 1,250 feet, the spire does.

I said 1,060 because the spire(the silver part of ESB) looks about 160 to 170 feet tall.

although there is space within that so called spire also observation ^^

Well, Willis is both bigger and taller, the diagram says it all :banana2:

So the height is now 960 feet? I'll make a checklist diagram according to that. This time I'll make an US diagram in both feet and meters. That should satisfy everybody :cheers:

Btw, the ESB controversy sure is puzzling. It would be easy to determine the height of it if they wouldn't build that one floor in the spire. Now it's stated that it's roof height is 381m, but if we would not count that one floor it would be 330m. I'm really puzzled. But since both Wikipedia and SSP state the roof to be 381m, I'll go with that in my diagrams :dunno:

According to Wikipedia Construction of the One World trade Center has infact been halted at the 78th floor after the construction workers walf out because of their contract has already expired.

Good luck to Larry Silverstein he is almost 80 years old and indeed wants the entire One World Trade Center ,200 Greenwich,175 Greenwich,150 Greenwich all finished in his life-span and the 200 Greenwich is still at B2 level.......

^^ Halted? It is halted?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s

Well, if the workers are underpaid, it is good they quit. They must be able to live a good life as well.

I see two cement trucks on site on the Earthcam....I cannot tell if they are just parked there, or pumping, but there are yellow vested people working.

Trust me, construction workers in the northern US are not underpaid. They are very highly paid with very good benefits. They haven't suffered all the cutbacks other workers have because you can't outsource their jobs and the unions very tightly control who can get jobs.

In fact, if it is the government paying for this project then law mandates they pay "prevailing wage" which is a total rip off and explains in part why construction in places like NY is so expensive.

I don't know any of the details of this exact dispute though, just letting you know you don't need to worry about construction workers in NYC, they do very well.

July 31
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this picture is stunning! :cheers:

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/06YMdJ150F1Ai/610x.jpg
AP Images (http://www.apimages.com/)/Daylife (http://www.daylife.com/photo/06YMdJ150F1Ai?q=One+World+Trade+Center)

Michael Pappalardi, center and Pasquale Deodata, right, join a walkout of cement and concrete laborers outside One World Trade Center, Tuesday, Aug. 2, 2011 in New York. The union has been without a contract since July 1.

I hope this gets resolved soon. We are unhappy, the workers are unhappy, the PA is unhappy, everybody is unhappy with this problem :dunno:

76th floor decking is being installed today. We should see 77th and 78th floor columns by the end of the week hopefully.

Image 1: AUG. 1st. Image 2: AUG. 2nd.

http://www.wtcphotos.com/photos/WTC1_2011-8-1-8-2.jpg
Image via: OxBlue Construction Camera: WTCProgress.com

[QUOTE=Otie;82479017AP Images (http://www.apimages.com/)/Daylife (http://www.daylife.com/photo/06YMdJ150F1Ai?q=One+World+Trade+Center)

Michael Pappalardi, center and Pasquale Deodata, right, join a walkout of cement and concrete laborers outside One World Trade Center, Tuesday, Aug. 2, 2011 in New York. The union has been without a contract since July 1.[/QUOTE]

Hopefully this won't effect the work on the core too badly. They can't raise new steel if they get too far ahead of the core. What a clusterf**k. This better be resolved soon.

I hope this problem does not delay construction much. That would just be a shame. :no:

76th floor decking is being installed today. We should see 77th and 78th floor columns by the end of the week hopefully.


According to specter000 there already is one column on the 78th floor :dunno:

^There is. It's on the north side (possibly northeast?) side of the building so we can't see it from that angle (which is from the south).

There's still alot of material that need to go through the lobby + some mechanical equipment need to be installed above the lobby floor before adding the base cladding. Another reason why they aren't installing the panels is because once installed it's easy to get damaged.

The original plans featured prismatic glass panels, but due to costs issues, they needed to be redesigned. No aviable information of the new panels.

That makes sense...many thanks Otie :).

Well, if the workers are underpaid, it is good they quit. They must be able to live a good life as well.

Define underpaid. 99.9998% of the people on earth are underpaid, in their own opinion.

So should this be changed to On Hold? :ohno2:

Let's not jump the gun here.

So should this be changed to On Hold? :ohno2:

Only the concrete workers are striking. There's plenty of other work that'll be done in the mean time. They can still raise new steel. They just can't get too far ahead of the core. Then it will have to stop.

^^ No need to panic, just a dispute. :)

Trust me, construction workers in the northern US are not underpaid. They are very highly paid with very good benefits. They haven't suffered all the cutbacks other workers have because you can't outsource their jobs and the unions very tightly control who can get jobs.

In fact, if it is the government paying for this project then law mandates they pay "prevailing wage" which is a total rip off and explains in part why construction in places like NY is so expensive.

I don't know any of the details of this exact dispute though, just letting you know you don't need to worry about construction workers in NYC, they do very well.

regardless, I wouldn't accept a 20% cut either.

To lighten the mood a bit I proudly announce that my US diagram checklists are ready :banana2:

1WTC is at this moment at floor 78 standing at a height of 292.6 meters / 960 feet. It is currently the 11th tallest building in the United States and the 2nd tallest building in New York. Below are diagrams for comparison:

http://i55.tinypic.com/21jytle.jpg
http://i55.tinypic.com/125j6mr.jpg

Good diagram, Kanto. Thanks for including meters and feet. I'll post an updated version of my diagram as soon as 1 WTC passes NYTT's spire. :cheers:

^^ Thanks :cheers:

Great pics and diagrams! Almost 300 meters high is a good mark at the moment, keep going !!!

Umm, 1 WTC belongs in front of the Sears Tower, its pinnacle height will be taller...

Don't mind Kanto, he's incompetent. All new forum members disregard the diagrams made by Kanto, they are more incorrect than any I have ever seen.

Kanto, I'll say this again: That's fine if you want to make a diagram for yourself, but please don't share with us and misinform members.

How long are we talking on hold?
I'm about to cry

The tower isn't on hold, yet.

Don't worry Dirty New Yorker. As someone else stated, there's plenty of other stuff to do that doesn't involve the concrete.

And also, can someone else make diagrams the way they're supposed to be done? I'm getting tired of Kanto spamming us.

And also, can someone else make diagrams the way they're supposed to be done? I'm getting tired of Kanto spamming us.

I've been making diagrams measuring to spire height. :cheers:

Thanks. You should pose them every time after Kanto post his so people won't have to complain about Kanto's bullshit :)

And so that people can actually see what they want to see.

@People: There's no need to insult Kanto or his work. If you find it disturbing, ignore it or go to your Control Panel and add any contact you want to the ignore list.
@Kanto: Please understand that buildings' official height is measured from the lowest open air entrance to the architectural top. If you disagree with it, O.K. but please don't misinform people here. I recomend you this CTBUH page (http://www.ctbuh.org/TallBuildings/HeightStatistics/Criteria/tabid/446/language/en-US/Default.aspx), in case you haven't read it. ;)

How long are we talking on hold?
I'm about to cry

Relax, that building will get done, its just union thugs doing what they do.

As to Kanto, wow does he work some of you up. Just ignore him. I happen to agree with his points if not his zeal but the way height is recognized is the way it is recognized. Fancy antenna's count whether some of us like it or not.

:cheers:

Don't worry Dirty New Yorker. As someone else stated, there's plenty of other stuff to do that doesn't involve the concrete.

And also, can someone else make diagrams the way they're supposed to be done? I'm getting tired of Kanto spamming us.

Well when I drove by today it looks like they finally filled in concrete on 77 & 78 so.. Will they put up more steel do you think?
I don't necessarily thinks it's that bad. It gives more time to pay attention to the rest of the wtc site

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6123/6000928382_54c88dfe7c_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/15434282@N00/6000928382/)
NYC - One World Trade Center (http://www.flickr.com/photos/15434282@N00/6000928382/) by cerdsp (http://www.flickr.com/people/15434282@N00/), on Flickr

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6129/6000931004_3e0727b8b6_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/15434282@N00/6000931004/)
NYC - One World Trade Center (http://www.flickr.com/photos/15434282@N00/6000931004/) by cerdsp (http://www.flickr.com/people/15434282@N00/), on Flickr

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I don't want to discourage Kanto, I think it is convenient for him to make roof height diagrams while I make spire height diagrams. :cheers: Works out pretty good IMO

Umm, 1 WTC belongs in front of the Sears Tower, its pinnacle height will be taller...

I think it's pretty obvious that that was a diagram of roof height no offense

Don't worry Dirty New Yorker. As someone else stated, there's plenty of other stuff to do that doesn't involve the concrete.

And also, can someone else make diagrams the way they're supposed to be done? I'm getting tired of Kanto spamming us.

Don't all the trades typically walk out in New York if one does? Or is this just a dispute between the concrete supplier and workers and not the general contractor?

Strikebreaking in NY risks getting a pair of concrete overshoes, especially in this case!;)

^^ Thanks :cheers:

Will the Sears Tower still be America's tallest building after the Freedom Tower is completed?

depends on how u measure. by spire and pinnacle height. wtc is tallest. but roof height has it so sears is still taller.

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Okay, this message goes to oilmanjr and azn_man12345! You two are bullies, whenever I post my diagrams you attack me and insult me! Did you ever see me attack and insult somebody for posting an official height diagram? No! Also, you lie that everybody hates my diagrams when in fact the vast majority of forumers like them, as proven by the poll last week! I'm trying to contribute and you two just throw insults at me! Don't force your opinions to other people like a dictator! Unless you have a mild form of dementia you must already know that I will continue to make my diagrams the way I make them and there isn't anything you can do against it, period, so learn to live with it! :rant:

[QUOTE=IanG;]Will the Sears Tower still be America's tallest building after the Freedom Tower is completed?

officially it will be 1wtc at 1776 but at 1450 feet sears will have the tallest roof, but there are people like kanto that will say the sears tower is the tallest .

^^ Hi guys

nice pics :)

how high now ?

:cheers:

I don't want to discourage Kanto, I think it is convenient for him to make roof height diagrams while I make spire height diagrams. :cheers: Works out pretty good IMO
Exactly! Much thanks to both of you. :)

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Wow haven't checked this thread in a couple years seems they've made great progress quickly after spending years with nothing but a hole to see.

[QUOTE=IanG;]Will the Sears Tower still be America's tallest building after the Freedom Tower is completed?

officially it will be 1wtc at 1776 but at 1450 feet sears will have the tallest roof, but there are people like kanto that will say the sears tower is the tallest .

I second kanto, Sears will still be taller. :)

Please stop the Sears Tower vs. 1WTC beef now. It doesn't lead anywhere here.

If you feel like it, you can open a separate thread at Citytalk and Urban Issues (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=9). But don't go on here.

+ Any personal message that isn't related to the topic, use PM. ;)

Scaffolding up to 77th & 78th...

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progress (http://www.flickr.com/photos/justinwaldinger/6003707205/) by justinphilipwaldinger (www.justinwaldinger.com) (http://www.flickr.com/people/justinwaldinger/), on Flickr

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6126/6004295448_2396670d84_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/stuartshay/6004295448/)
Freedom Tower - Hoboken View (http://www.flickr.com/photos/stuartshay/6004295448/) by SPS101 (http://www.flickr.com/people/stuartshay/), on Flickr

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http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6140/6003504651_6af122276d_b.jpg

Photos by NYCisMyMuse (http://www.flickr.com/photos/nycismymuse/)

6 floors in a month, now? Is that right? Not bad. Hopefully the concrete situation is resolved soon.

I like unions, but I don't want this to delay the tower. They were finally moving at a good pace!

This pic belongs to Otie:
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6126/6004295448_2396670d84_b.jpg

Wow, in this pic I can see the lone 77-78 floor column. I at least hope that's the one :dunno:

^ Yes, that lone column makes Tower One 960' + 4' column splice= 964' (~293.8m)
Check Carlos' updates at SSP, he has some great pics showing that column.

Oh and that pic doesn't belongs to me, it belongs to SPS101 (http://www.flickr.com/people/stuartshay/).

*I'm not sure if the column splice is 4' for that core column, seing Carlos' pics it looks like the splice is about 1/2 the total floor height. Maybe 6'... don't know..

^^ Well, I have a rather troubling history with SSP, pretty much like Carlos has with SSC, so I don't really visit their forums anymore. But thanks for notifying me about the splice. I think I rather give it the regular 4' in my status checklists. After all, that's what they usually measure :dunno:

1WTC is at this moment at floor 78 standing at a height of 294 meters / 964 feet. It is currently the 10th tallest building in the United States and the 2nd tallest building in New York City. Below are diagrams for comparison:

http://i54.tinypic.com/2gsr2bd.jpg
http://i56.tinypic.com/hv9xq8.jpg

Please stop the Sears Tower vs. 1WTC beef now. It doesn't lead anywhere here.

If you feel like it, you can open a separate thread at Citytalk and Urban Issues (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=9). But don't go on here.

I made one. Go check it out here:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1429692

So 1WTC would be 5th tallest in NYC by official height measurements? Would be nice if someone made a diagram for that.

Yes. Right now it's the 5th tallest, after ESB (1250/381), BoA (1200/366), Chrysler (1047/319) and NY Times (1047/319). I would make a diagram, but for some reason I can't screen cap :/

It's fantastic to see this building so tall now :) I haven't been in this thread in ages, and it was just a few levels of steelwork last time I looked! Gonna be busy clicking back through the thread now lol

Okay, this message goes to oilmanjr and azn_man12345! You two are bullies, whenever I post my diagrams you attack me and insult me! Did you ever see me attack and insult somebody for posting an official height diagram? No! Also, you lie that everybody hates my diagrams when in fact the vast majority of forumers like them, as proven by the poll last week! I'm trying to contribute and you two just throw insults at me! Don't force your opinions to other people like a dictator! Unless you have a mild form of dementia you must already know that I will continue to make my diagrams the way I make them and there isn't anything you can do against it, period, so learn to live with it! :rant:

However, what most people support isn't always the correct thing.

OT: I hear carpenters are also going to be walking out with the concrete workers :ohno:

Source: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903341404576484493275728206.html

^^ In skyscraper height measurement correctness is in the eye of the beholder. For you official height might seem correct but for me and the majority of people roof height seems correct :ohno:

But please, let us stop the roof vs official debate here. This topic is for 1WTC :cheers:

Ok let's stay OT. I'm not interested in your diagram war. I want to know more about the strike.

^ Yes, sir.

WTC Work Stoppage Continues for Third Day (http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2011/08/03/wtc-work-stoppage-continues-for-third-day/)

By Joseph De Avila
http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/OB-PA495_wtc008_G_20110803151158.jpg
Getty Images/ Construction workers sit outside the World Trade Center on Tuesday.

Concrete workers didn’t show up for work at two World Trade Center sites for a third straight day as a standoff between union officials and management continued Wednesday.

The job action has slowed construction at the World Trade Center’s 800,000-square foot transit hub and at One World Trade Center, both being built by the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. Hundreds of other tradesmen unrelated to the contract dispute were unable to work as a result of the walkout by concrete workers, according to officials with Building Trades Employers’ Association, an umbrella group that represents contractors.

The previous contract covering more than 2,000 concrete workers expired over a month ago. Contractors have insisted that concrete workers accept 20% less in wages and benefits for residential and hotel construction relative to commercial construction, and the union hasn’t budged on that demand so far.

The Cement League, a contractors’ association that represents management, and the Cement and Concrete Workers District Council, representing concrete workers, both declined to comment.

Mayor Michael Bloomberg said the city won’t take a position in the ongoing dispute.

“They have to go and work this out themselves,” the mayor said during a press conference Wednesday. ”Nobody should be forced to work or not work. It’s a dispute between private labor unions and private employers. They have a right to do that.”

Bloomberg said the squabble won’t impact work on the 9/11 Memorial, which is scheduled to debut next month on the 10th anniversary of the terrorist attacks.

Contractors recently filed complaints with an independent arbitrator over stoppages by concrete workers at four other construction sites in the city, according to people familiar with the matter. Those sites were included in agreements that forbid strikes or job actions.

The sites include the renovation work at Madison Square Garden and construction at the new Barclays Center in Brooklyn, Two World Trade Center and a new development on West 57th Street. On Tuesday, the arbitrator issued a cease-and-desist order in favor of the contractors and instructed the concrete workers to return to work.

“They are back working [at those four sites] to my knowledge. And that’s helpful,” said Steven Spinola, president of the Real Estate Board of New York, a lobbying group.

There is an additional arbitration hearing scheduled for Wednesday regarding the Weill Cornell Medical Center on East 69th Street, where concrete workers also walked out.

The dispute has centered on contractors demanding that concrete workers accept wage and benefit cuts for residential and hotel work. Non-union construction workers have begun to control a larger portion of those markets, Spinola said.

“We are basically saying that in order to be competitive in residential development, we need to bring the cost down,” Spinola said.

It’s unclear how long the standoff at the World Trade Center could last. If it goes into next week, up to 1,000 construction workers could be forced to stop work as a result of the job action, said Louis Coletti, president of the Building Trades Employers’ Association.

“These things have a life of their own. Sometimes you can resolve insurmountable differences pretty quickly. Other times no,” Coletti said. “It’s really hard to speculate.”

–Lisa Fleisher contributed to this article.

Okay, this message goes to oilmanjr and azn_man12345! You two are bullies, whenever I post my diagrams you attack me and insult me! Did you ever see me attack and insult somebody for posting an official height diagram? No! Also, you lie that everybody hates my diagrams when in fact the vast majority of forumers like them, as proven by the poll last week! I'm trying to contribute and you two just throw insults at me! Don't force your opinions to other people like a dictator! Unless you have a mild form of dementia you must already know that I will continue to make my diagrams the way I make them and there isn't anything you can do against it, period, so learn to live with it! :rant:

I like your diagrams :okay:, theyre professional, helpful and cool

Dont worry about the others

^^ Thanks :cheers:

An Inside Look At The Rising Freedom Tower (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/08/03/an-inside-look-of-the-rising-freedom-tower/)

http://cbsnewyork.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/external-staircase-to-70th-floor.jpg?w=620

http://cbsnewyork.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/lobby-of-1wtc.jpg?w=348 http://cbsnewyork.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/looking-down-at-wtc-7-from-70th-floor-of-wtc1.jpg?w=348

http://cbsnewyork.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/walls-and-floors-yet-to-be-finished-on-70th-floor-of-wtc1.jpg?w=620

^^ Nice. That 3rd is looking down at the roof of WTC7 ? :)

Couple photos taken by me yesterday (08/02/2011)

it was a great feeling to see the tower again after a month! What a huge progress!! :cheers:

http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j452/Athinaioos/IMG_7300.jpg

http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j452/Athinaioos/IMG_7303.jpg

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http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j452/Athinaioos/IMG_7408.jpg

Thanks Otie for posting that for me.

Wikipedia is saying that work on tower 1 has resumed. :D

Just a FYI to y'all:

Steven Spielberg, Discovery and Sicence Channel Team Up for 'Rebuilding Ground Zero' (http://www.newsonnews.net/discovery/10783-steven-spielberg-discovery-and-sicence-channel-team-up-for-rebuilding-ground-zero.html)

Rising: Rebuilding Ground Zero, premiering Friday, August 25 at 8PM E/P on Discovery Channel,

The six-hour special premieres Thursday, August 25 and concludes Thursday, September 1 from 8-11PM ET/PT each night.

Science will encore Discovery Channel's Rising: Rebuilding Ground Zero on Sunday, August 28 from 8-11PM ET/PT and Sunday, September 4 from 8-11PM ET/PT. The entire six-hour special will re-air on Sunday, September 11 at 5PM ET/PT.

I like your diagrams :okay:, theyre professional, helpful and cool

Dont worry about the others

Yeah, real professional. Especially the check marks. Oh but beside the fact that it is not officially correct.

Is there a render of 1 WTC that shows what the last floor before the roof will look like? Just wondering

^ You never give up, do you?

I wouldn't call my work renders, but illustrations:

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6023/5979606027_43e208d7e6_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/62018165@N04/5979606027/)
One World Trade Center Illustration (http://www.flickr.com/photos/62018165@N04/5979606027/) by Otie O'Daniel (http://www.flickr.com/people/62018165@N04/), on Flickr

Removing the Communcations structure and the Window washing tracks
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6021/5980161674_ae1f375eb3_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/62018165@N04/5980161674/)
One World Trade Center Ilustration (http://www.flickr.com/photos/62018165@N04/5980161674/) by Otie O'Daniel (http://www.flickr.com/people/62018165@N04/), on Flickr

I didn't post them because they aren't the final product, a bunch of work still to do.

Otie: STR, Culwulla, Dino, and yourself have us spoiled. Maybe I shouldn't have gotten used to this site being professional.

Great pictures, Athinaios!

Does anyone know why there is a vertical row without glass above the western elevator, as seen in this picture (http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j452/Athinaioos/IMG_7333.jpg)?

^^ I'm pretty there entire vertical row is missing even under the elevator. Otherwise they have no way to attach the elevator to the side of the building. They will fill the missing glass panels in when the elevator shafts are taken down.

Thanks Otie, just what I was looking for. :okay:

^ Yes, that lone column makes Tower One 960' + 4' column splice= 964' (~293.8m)
Check Carlos' updates at SSP, he has some great pics showing that column.

Oh and that pic doesn't belongs to me, it belongs to SPS101 (http://www.flickr.com/people/stuartshay/).

*I'm not sure if the column splice is 4' for that core column, seing Carlos' pics it looks like the splice is about 1/2 the total floor height. Maybe 6'... don't know..

Going over there now to see.

Going to need to catch up on a few missed weeks of updates now.

^ You never give up, do you?

I wouldn't call my work renders, but illustrations:

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6023/5979606027_43e208d7e6_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/62018165@N04/5979606027/)
One World Trade Center Illustration (http://www.flickr.com/photos/62018165@N04/5979606027/) by Otie O'Daniel (http://www.flickr.com/people/62018165@N04/), on Flickr

Removing the Communcations structure and the Window washing tracks
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6021/5980161674_ae1f375eb3_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/62018165@N04/5980161674/)
One World Trade Center Ilustration (http://www.flickr.com/photos/62018165@N04/5980161674/) by Otie O'Daniel (http://www.flickr.com/people/62018165@N04/), on Flickr

I didn't post them because they aren't the final product, a bunch of work still to do.

I wouldn't call them renders either. They are "renderings" and "illustrations". They are essentially the same exact thing, same difference.
Regardless, nice work.

I have a few questions? Let me add the tower has risen beautifully and has a life of its own. I flew into newark and had a chance to take a glimpse of 1WTC from the Jersey side and it stood out of the pack. Has constructed begun on 1 world trade center again? The official roof height still remains at 1368'? I noticed on Kanto's SSP diagrams that the top of the telecommunications equipment sits at about 1400' is this correct? Any idea when 1WTC will top out? And when the spire will be completed? I have followed this thread since the beginning keep up the great posts, pics and diagrams.

I have a few questions? Let me add the tower has risen beautifully and has a life of its own. I flew into newark and had a chance to take a glimpse of 1WTC from the Jersey side and it stood out of the pack. Has constructed begun on 1 world trade center again? The official roof height still remains at 1368'? I noticed on Kanto's SSP diagrams that the top of the telecommunications equipment sits at about 1400' is this correct? Any idea when 1WTC will top out? And when the spire will be completed? I have followed this thread since the beginning keep up the great posts, pics and diagrams.

Hi Lex

To answer your questions:

1. It would appear the construction is back on track. But don't quote me on that ;)
2. The actual roof is 1335 feet. The parapet is what extends to 1368 feet
3. Yes. The telecommunications ring goes to 1401 feet
4. The roof is expected to top out late this year/early next year
5. The spire will be finished 6 months after the roof tops out, somewhere during Summer 2012

Hope I could help

Rain is forecast for tomorrow hope it will not stop for some steel to come up.

Just a FYI to y'all:

Steven Spielberg, Discovery and Sicence Channel Team Up for 'Rebuilding Ground Zero' (http://www.newsonnews.net/discovery/10783-steven-spielberg-discovery-and-sicence-channel-team-up-for-rebuilding-ground-zero.html)

Wowww...Thanks you for informing us. It seems to be very interesting. :banana:

August 3rd, 2011

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> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2021703/Ground-Zero-pictures-One-World-Trade-Center-soars-higher-higher.html

NY Post (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/wtc_standing_tall_PYKLUaU63TNKMMQ8qz5iMK?CMP=OTC-rss&FEEDNAME=)


1 WTC standing tall

By LEONARD GREENE
Last Updated: 3:35 AM, August 3, 2011
Posted: 2:25 AM, August 3, 2011

New York's tallest building is still under construction, but it's already scraping the sky. At 76 stories, 1 World Trade Center, the crown jewel of what was once a bleak and dreary pit, is already the tallest building in downtown Manhattan.

"It's the real thing," said Julie Menin, president of Manhattan's Community Board 1. "Now you really see it. People come downtown and see a gleaming building rising from the ashes."

Once dubbed the "Freedom Tower," the new superstructure will reach 105 floors and a symbolic height of 1,776 feet.

So it's not called "Freedom Tower" by anyone anymore? Would be a pity, somehow the name incorporated a lot of American spirit.

No, it was a cheesy, manufactured name that came about in the face of overwhelmingly blind post-9/11 nationalism.

I've posted this before but here's the trailer to the discovery channel documentary :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMVd2V58lnA&feature=youtube_gdata_player

I apologize if some of these have been posted before:

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No, it was a cheesy, manufactured name that came about in the face of overwhelmingly blind post-9/11 nationalism.
Amen.

The vast majority of people i know here in new york knows it as the freedom tower .

http://www.ilpost.it/files/2011/08/AP110728024305.jpg

Who made this one? :eek2:

I bet many people will continue to call it Freedom Tower. Even though that name isn't official anymore, it has a life of it's own now. It will be similar to the old Twin Towers, which were not usually called 1WTC and 2WTC, but North Tower and South Tower. Nicknames are easier to remember than boring official names :cheers:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/07/02/article-2010564-0CD604BD00000578-619_964x639.jpg

I've posted this before but here's the trailer to the discovery channel documentary :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMVd2V58lnA&feature=youtube_gdata_player


I apologize if some of these have been posted before:



The second to last photo of these, what is that tower? It look like the proposed Penn plaza next to ESB! :lol:

^^ goldman Sachs tower in Jersey City, designed by the same architect, cesar Pelli.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/07/02/article-2010564-0CD604BD00000578-619_964x639.jpg

Pardon my ignorance, but what is that smaller tower which we can see being built in this pic?

2-Cams are online again: )
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@rd77 - That's 4WTC.

Photos from yesterday

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Nice, thanks for sharing. But you can easily do without the overdone HDR effect ;)

I dunno, we see most pictures without the HDR effect, so I think it brings variety.

nice Aeriel shots