Nice, thanks for sharing. But you can easily do without the overdone HDR effect ;)

That cheesy effect annoys me as well.

With that effect it looks like right from 300 :storm:

I didn't know I was taking them to please your standards. Maybe you couldd go take your own?

^^ I think your pics are awesome. Don't worry about some people not liking them. It is virtualy impossible to satisfy everybody. Just keep up the work for those of us who appreciate them :cheers:

Thanks dude

^We appreciate your photographs, Schiano. Along Joe Woolhead & NYCLuver you're the best photographers of the site.

Carlos whas right at SSP!

Workers Back on the Job at World Trade Center Site (http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2011/08/04/concrete-workers-return-to-world-trade-center-site/?mod=google_news_blog)

By Joseph De Avila

Concrete laborers who had refused to work at the World Trade Center for three days returned to their jobs Thursday morning after their union reached an agreement with contractors late Wednesday, according to people familiar with the matter.


The Cement League, a contractors’ association that represents management, and the Cement and Concrete Workers District Council, representing concrete workers, agreed late Wednesday night to extend a contract until Aug. 16. Talks will be ongoing until then.

Hundreds of cement workers began a work stoppage Monday after their contract ended. The job action affected work at One and Two World Trade Center, its downtown transit hub, the new Barclays Center, Madison Square Garden, Weill Cornell Medical Center and a residential development on 57th Street.

A labor arbitrator ordered some of those workers back to their jobs on Tuesday and Wednesday because their project labor agreements had no-strike provisions. But workers at One World Trade Center and its 800,000-square-foot transit hub had no such agreement and threatened to remain off the job until they reached a new contract.

The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey confirmed Thursday that the workers had returned to their jobs.

The main dispute is over contractors’ insistence that concrete workers accept 20% less in wages and benefits for residential and hotel construction relative to commercial construction. The union hasn’t budged on that demand so far.

Patrick Keane, a concrete laborer from New Windsor, N.Y., said he is afraid that $200, or 20 percent, is going to be plucked from his weekly wages. Keane, originally from Ireland, said he is hoping the negotiations result in enough money to match his living expenses.

“Allow us to live and allow us to live decently,” he said. “It’s another basic right — we’re not looking to break anybody.”

–Alison Fox contributed to this report.

Thanks dude

I've got my share of experience with people disagreeing with my work. Be glad that you have civilized opponents. I have some opponents that throw insults at me whenever they can and that hate me as if I would have killed their parents :ohno:

Nice, thanks for sharing. But you can easily do without the overdone HDR effect ;)

Really? I like it.

@325crr: Is that Photoshop? Which filter did you use?

on the closeups of the top of WTC1 tower you really see how small it is. The usable non-core space is tiny - sort of like the Chrysler building. This is exactly as I feared. By the time it gets to the top and is square again it will be absurdly small.

This is definitely not an imposing or impressive tower. Better than nothing but NYC still needs something bigger to truly dominate the skyline.

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on the closeups of the top of WTC1 tower you really see how small it is. The usable non-core space is tiny - sort of like the Chrysler building. This is exactly as I feared. By the time it gets to the top and is square again it will be absurdly small.

This is definitely not an imposing or impressive tower. Better than nothing but NYC still needs something bigger to truly dominate the skyline.

The core changes shape as the tower increases in height, and if 9/11 taught us anything, it is that you need a strong core so that people can exit the building in an emergency.

Very nice!

I think that redundancy is more important than functionality. A building must be strong more than anything else. However I do think that the new WTC towers should have been made far larger than they are now. I keep saying it, they should have made 2 large towers instead of 5 smaller ones.

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on the closeups of the top of WTC1 tower you really see how small it is. The usable non-core space is tiny - sort of like the Chrysler building. This is exactly as I feared. By the time it gets to the top and is square again it will be absurdly small.

This is definitely not an imposing or impressive tower. Better than nothing but NYC still needs something bigger to truly dominate the skyline.

im guessing you haven't seen 1WTC in person because it is MASSIVE and it very impressive.

^ You wouldn't be a good detective, he's been there even when the old complex was there. The old towers were more impossing than the lonely 1WTC. That's probably the main reason why he wrote that, but once all four towers get built the complex will be denser than the old one.

@Dan: The core is constantly changing, above the 88th floor, it gets quite small.

View from the Memorial entrance:
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^^ok fair enough, but im gonna have to disagree that saying this tower is not going to be impressive.

Does anyone have any diagrams or pictures of the core structure so we can see how it changes? That would be nice.

^Directly from Zen:

I never actually counted the number of times the core changes shape but I think it's more than 20 times.

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/8060/corechanging.jpg

The majority of the core's transformations occur at the base. The red parts are MEP, 4 ADA elevators and PATH vents, 3 of 4 stop at 20th floor. Only the green part goes up to the 70th fl.

Higher up the core takes an octagonal shape (the drawing is roughly) + there's a relocation of two of the elevators bank.
Above the 88th floor (last office floor) only the orange part runs all the way up to the roof.

Really? I like it.

@325crr: Is that Photoshop? Which filter did you use?


Yes, Elements 9 - shadows & highlights

Oh yeah also, its not even HDR. Not going to start a war, but I thought it would bring some variety like others said. Its all the same photos over & over, thats great but I thought I would mix it up a bit. Thats all!

This IS HDR http://wallpaperswide.com/gothic_building_hdr_1-wallpapers.html

EDIT- Otie, Thanks! Means a lot!!

interesting, the core seems to take up a very disproportionate amount of space, though that is understandable.

Does anyone have a list of NYC office buildings by usable space? That would be very interesting. I wonder of the BofA building, for example, actually has more usable office space than WTC1. I bet it is close.

^^ I recall some officials mentioning that the new WTC will be safer than the rules require. But I dunno how the rules changed after 9/11. Is BoA a supersafe skyscraper like the new WTC? Or is it just a standard one? Or is it somewhere in between?

^^ I recall some officials mentioning that the new WTC will be safer than the rules require. But I dunno how the rules changed after 9/11. Is BoA a supersafe skyscraper like the new WTC? Or is it just a standard one? Or is it somewhere in between?


BofA is pretty beefy, I believe the elevators and stairs are in the concrete core, but not nearly at the level of 1wtc

But in all honesty, it doesnt get much safer than a typical steel building.

I think we all now know that bar joists aren't worth a damn.

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Does anyone know when 1wtc will start climbing again?

^^ I recall some officials mentioning that the new WTC will be safer than the rules require...

Probably, But to they're using compressed concrete with 2" rebar to build the core. It's essentially the worlds tallest bunker. This is giving the designers fits with the lobby. Apparently, it looks like a bunker.

The word 'indestructible" has a very poor history, but this looks like a pretty solid attempt at it.

Does anyone know when 1wtc will start climbing again?

Well, since the concrete workers are back on their jobs, it should get back to the pace it had been (assuming fair weather, etc.).

I was thinking this building would start looking a little wimpy by the time it reached 70 floors or so, but the taller it gets, the more impressed I am with how it holds its own in the skyline.

It's a beast of a building.

Hoping for some new vertical steel tomorrow.

I bet many people will continue to call it Freedom Tower. Even though that name isn't official anymore, it has a life of it's own now. It will be similar to the old Twin Towers, which were not usually called 1WTC and 2WTC, but North Tower and South Tower. Nicknames are easier to remember than boring official names :cheers:
Come on, people...how many time is "Freedom tower" has been on air: 6, 7 years?? It's not an everlasting name...even former Burj Dubai today is known as Burj Khalifa and nobody seems to be upset

Come on, people...how many time is "Freedom tower" has been on air: 6, 7 years?? It's not an everlasting name...even former Burj Dubai today is known as Burj Khalifa and nobody seems to be upset

I know it as Burj Dubai...

The word 'indestructible" has a very poor history, but this looks like a pretty solid attempt at it.

This is very true.

This is very true.

Knock on wood Molly brown
Or should I say knock on steel.

...I don't see any deck chairs anywhere. It's the best we know how to build. That said, the 100th aniversary of that infamous event is coming up very soon...^^

I think you mean 10th ;)

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I think I just came with this pic.

Probably, But to they're using compressed concrete with 2" rebar to build the core. It's essentially the worlds tallest bunker. This is giving the designers fits with the lobby. Apparently, it looks like a bunker.

The word 'indestructible" has a very poor history, but this looks like a pretty solid attempt at it.

I hope you're right. I hope all buildings in the future will be made with this standard :cheers:

And here's a pic. These floks should really clean that camera :dunno:

http://oxblue.com/archive/487d07189e5fd2b7edce94fc0bcf4b68/800x600.jpg

I think you mean 10th ;)

Nope, he means 100th. He's talking about the Titanic ha ha!

Does anyone know when 1wtc will start climbing again?

It never stopped. In fact they completed the 75th and 76th floors in 10 days.


Hoping for some new vertical steel tomorrow.

All of the cores columns for the 77th and 78th floors have already been installed and the perimeter columns started going up this morning.

http://skycraper90.blogspot.com/2011/08/world-trade-center.html
it's amazing!!!

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Impressive tower, and as you go along.

Is clearly seen in the skyline height.:drool:

Wow, amazing:D:righton:

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An incredible picture :drool::banana2:

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The One world trade center looks more amazing each day. My brother-in-law works there and he says that they are going up at a very fast pace. Makes me proud, go New York!!!!!!

cladding passing one of the WFC buildings :-)

Can't wait until the cladding passes WTC 7. That will be a significant milestone.

If the tower was finished in the picture quoted by kanto, I swear I would have thought it was a render

Yes, Elements 9 - shadows & highlights

Oh yeah also, its not even HDR. Not going to start a war, but I thought it would bring some variety like others said. Its all the same photos over & over, thats great but I thought I would mix it up a bit. Thats all!

They are your photos. Do whatever you want with them. All I was saying is that imo it makes great shots look kind of cheesy. They looked way overcooked so to speak, so maybe at least tone down the effect next time.

Mazing building! Absolutely incredible! I'm wondering though, how many floors does it have? Btw don't be dissin' Dubai!

Mazing building! Absolutely incredible! I'm wondering though, how many floors does it have? Btw don't be dissin' Dubai!

If you look at the topic title, you can see it has 108 floors. Although people will say anywhere from 105 to 110. Right now, perimeter columns are up for the 78th floor. And who was dissing Dubai? No one said anything about it.

^^ that just makes want to diss Dubai lol

^^ that just makes want to diss Dubai lol

I know right? It made me angry because Dubai hasn't been mentioned on this thread for like 20 pages lol

This new steel adds 2 more floors right? That means it is a supertall in terms of meters now, right?

Not yet. It's currently at the 78th floor, which is 964 (ish) feet, which 283m. Unless they added perimeter columns for 79/80?

how many floors does it have?

The tower has 92 "real" floors + 5 sub-grade levels.

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/1976/floors.jpg

I herd there was new still added today don't know if a steel column was added to the 81 floor so lost with out Carlos. :ohno:

I herd there was new still added today don't know if a steel column was added to the 81 floor so lost with out Carlos. :ohno:

They are installing steel for the 77 and 78th floors.

So the building is not yet a supertall, to answer I Am Using A Computer's question.




Also, it may be a little rude and off topic, but I was wondering if you guys would be willing to check out a thread a made: NYC's 900 Footers, which is a collection of all of the tallest buildings in New York City in the coming years. It's in my sig :)

3 more floors to go and we have a supertall back in down town Manhattan.:banana::banana::banana:

I LOVE THIS BUILDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's so pretty! :D

I love this building as well. An engineering masterpiece!!!
I know. I could stare at this building all day long! It looks so sexy! LOL

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^^ the top pic shows Goldman Sachs going up.

Yeah, that threw me off for a little bit. Very nice to see such progress in downtown!

I thought the symbolic 110th floor was part of the communications ring?

(referring to the sketch on the previous page of the thread)

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when will this tower reach the 300m mark?

del

I am driving on the nj turnpike and saw it irl for the first time SO beautiful. ;)

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I thought the symbolic 110th floor was part of the communications ring?

(referring to the sketch on the previous page of the thread)

Nope, there's a small platform located in the spire numbered as 110th fl. The diagrams are already fixed.

I like the glass cladding so much, almost no waves and distortions at all

These two comparing pics, please continue if possible...

And the ESB in that gorgeous sunsetlight :|

Nope, there's a small platform located in the spire numbered as 110th fl. The diagrams are already fixed.

Ah I see, thanks for the clarification

Does anybody know how well they are progressing with the interior fitout?

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^^^^^^^^^^^^Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.......Skyscraper porn :drool::drool:

i think they need to raise the hieght of the wtc to 2001 feet instead of 1776 feet.

i think they need to raise the hieght of the wtc to 2001 feet instead of 1776 feet.

And this is never going to happen so it's a moot point.

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Well, if we can't get twins back I suppose we can stand by this glass and get the next best thing.:cheers:

Awesome picture.

By Patapsco, Aug 6th.

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its already one of the highest buildings in city!

del

Oh really?? First ESB, second Freedom Tower?? :cheer:

Yup, 2nd in NY and 10th in the US. I'll show you in a diagram what buildings it has beaten and what buildings it still has to beat:

Current height 293m
http://i54.tinypic.com/2gsr2bd.jpg

Current height 964ft
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And a pic from WTC progress to see how it dominates over 7WTC and WFC :banana2:
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Kanto, you yourself are saying these other people are dictators yet you are forcing your belief of roof height on everyone so... you yourself are being a dictator. Like has been suggested for you before it would be nice for you to do both an official height (including spires) and your way and i am sure you would not receive nearly as much criticism.

ZippyTheChimp, WNY

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Good update from Fallout WNY

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Edit, this post is obsolete and I therefore deleted it.

^^ I said it before, I have nothing more to say to you :ohno:

But I'll do it one more time:

BK: Top floor is in height 638m, the roof is on it's ceiling so I dunno maybe 642m
ST: 632m
Abraj: No data on top floor present at SSP
Petronas: 379m
ESB: Rather controverse, there is the roof of the normal floors at like 330m, but then there is litaraly an observation tower on top of it which goes to 381m. Since SSP says this is the roof, I accept it and say 381m

@BK. That possibly works. But there's no way to distinguish it from the outside.
@ST. Hell no. The top 50something meters of the building is the crown.
@Abraj. Exactly.
@Petronas. But there are those cones that go up another 30 meters. That could be the roof.
@ESB. Exactly. You don't even know where the roof is.

^^ - ^^ Your numbers are incorrect for the BK ....
Also, your notion of using the ceiling of the top level as the roof height is .... amateur at best.

I removed nearly 40 posts bitching about this roof/spire issue.

Please stop this. That also goes for you, Kanto. Any further posts in this direction will get deleted instantly and might lead to infractions, as some of the latest posts were highly offensive.

(We're using blue color for moderation remarks btw.)

If you feel like discussing the spire vs. height measurement, go there:

Spire vs. roof height measurement - The eternal skyscraper enthusiasts discussion (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1430875)

I just opened this thread to give you people a place for a cultivated discussion of the whole matter.
Please never ever start it in the WDN forums here again, thank you. Now go on with 1WTC.

07 August 2011

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What direction are the photos from, north?

Are there any info about the details of the observation deck? Will it simply be a observation deck or will there be more?

Are there any info about the details of the observation deck? Will it simply be a observation deck or will there be more?

Only observation deck, restaurant plans has been scrapped, bummer :/

No "B" word, please!!!!

No "B" word, please!!!!

Are you bitching about it? :nuts:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFr6P2BtE3k

Any word on the new Podium design.

Any word on the new Podium design.

I'm pretty sure if there was, someone would have posted it by now. I think this gets asked like 2-3 times per page on this thread lol.

AP Photo/ DAILY MAIL REPORTER (www.google.com/webhp?rlz=1C1DVCJ_enMX378MX379&sourceid=chrome-instant&ie=UTF-8&ion=1&nord=1#hl=en&sugexp=bvre&cp=9&gs_id=1&xhr=t&q=world+trade+center&safe=off&rlz=1C1DVCJ_enMX378MX379&nord=1&gs_sm=&gs_upl=&ion=1&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbo=u&tbm=nws&source=og&sa=N&tab=wn&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=e5bb487572a204f&ion=1&biw=1280&bih=675)
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/06/article-2023061-0D51303C00000578-654_468x677.jpg

What is the hole in the foreground for? 5WTC5?

What direction are the photos from, north?

Those look like they're taken from Broadway, right by St Pauls, just south of City Hall. So one block East from the site as a whole.

What is the hole in the foreground for? 5WTC5?

The Vehicle Security Center at the World Trade Center.

I removed nearly 40 posts bitching about this roof/spire issue.

Please stop this. That also goes for you, Kanto. Any further posts in this direction will get deleted instantly and might lead to infractions, as some of the latest posts were highly offensive.

(We're using blue color for moderation remarks btw.)

If you feel like discussing the spire vs. height measurement, go there:

Spire vs. roof height measurement - The eternal skyscraper enthusiasts discussion (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1430875)

I just opened this thread to give you people a place for a cultivated discussion of the whole matter.
Please never ever start it in the WDN forums here again, thank you. Now go on with 1WTC.

Thank you sir!

Only observation deck, restaurant plans has been scrapped, bummer :/

Oh, thats a pity but they will have their reasons I think.

What's that "thing" the photo from Otie shows, I don't know how to explain, kind of a boatfigure in white, page 1255 at 3.26? Maybe this is a stupid question but I don't care, just wanna know :|

Oh, thats a pity but they will have their reasons I think.

To have a restaurant at the top would require an elevator exclusively for the restaurant... And they don't have one.

What's that "thing" the photo from Otie shows, I don't know how to explain, kind of a boatfigure in white, page 1255 at 3.26? Maybe this is a stupid question but I don't care, just wanna know :|

If I am correct in finding the photo you mean - its the 9.11 memorial and museum. http://www.911memorial.org/

Went to Jersey City Saturday. When the WTC is completed the Jersey City waster front will be THEY place to see it from, right off the Exchange Street PATH station.

To have a restaurant at the top would require an elevator exclusively for the restaurant... And they don't have one.

Ah, that explains....

If I am correct in finding the photo you mean - its the 9.11 memorial and museum. http://www.911memorial.org/

Thanks! So maybe the other museum will close.. I read the link!

I'm beginning to love this new WTC. A few months ago I would have said that's impossible, but now I really love it :tyty:

You get used to it. Some changes need time.

Went to Jersey City Saturday. When the WTC is completed the Jersey City waster front will be THEY place to see it from, right off the Exchange Street PATH station.

I think I'll just go to the WTC but thanks just the same.

To have a restaurant at the top would require an elevator exclusively for the restaurant... And they don't have one.

Yeah they do. The restaurant was "canceled" after the building plans were finalized. The elevator will be put in, along with the floor, and eventually someone will put the restaurant up there. The floor may be some kind of event space for a while, but I think we will see a new Windows on the World in the next 10 years.

http://www.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/wtc101056h1zwjsc.png (http://www.fotos-hochladen.net)

http://img4.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/wtc102yuv8hnsxz1.png (http://www.fotos-hochladen.net)

Okay, we'll wait and see :colbert::)

Mike, from where is the first foto taken?

Yeah they do. The restaurant was "canceled" after the building plans were finalized. The elevator will be put in, along with the floor, and eventually someone will put the restaurant up there. The floor may be some kind of event space for a while, but I think we will see a new Windows on the World in the next 10 years.



I thought the observation deck was going to cover two floors.

I think I'll just go to the WTC but thanks just the same.

he's right though, IMO. I have seen 1WTC from the other angles and just having seen the Jersey City waterfront view 2 weeks ago i totally agree

I thought the observation deck was going to cover two floors.

There are 3 floors up top. 100, 101, and 102. They have been swapped around from this plan below, but there is still an extra floor aside from the Observation Deck.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v423/meh_cd/elevationsobs.jpg

I hope they put in another "extra" column for floors 79-80 again today.

Why is on the glass written "island" ?

http://oxblue.com/pro/open/panynj/wtc

oh wow, looking so tall now, i deliberately took a break from this tower for a few weeks,

I hope they put in another "extra" column for floors 79-80 again today.

That would already make it a supertall with 302 meters or 991 feet :banana2:

Yeah they do. The restaurant was "canceled" after the building plans were finalized. The elevator will be put in, along with the floor, and eventually someone will put the restaurant up there. The floor may be some kind of event space for a while, but I think we will see a new Windows on the World in the next 10 years.

That'd be really nice! But when I book a dinner in February, I'll have to book for December :lol:

Sorry guys no single column steel up yet it should be up by now so i think it is not going to happen .

Okay, we'll wait and see :colbert::)

Mike, from where is the first foto taken?

on that island where the Statue of Liberty is located ;)

governor's island is great for WTC viewing too. Even lower manhattan as a whole.

Will they ever gonna clean this camera? :doh:

http://oxblue.com/archive/487d07189e5fd2b7edce94fc0bcf4b68/800x600.jpg

Why is on the glass written "island" ?

http://oxblue.com/pro/open/panynj/wtc

Not sure, probably some kind of propaganda from the fireproofing company Island International Enterprises (http://www.islandcompanies.com/island-international-enterprises/)

There are 3 floors up top. 100, 101, and 102. They have been swapped around from this plan below, but there is still an extra floor aside from the Observation Deck.
Original plans featured an Observation Deck at 102 and a restaurant at 100 & 101; later the PA flipped the floors, being 100 & 101 for the O.D.

101 floor is a mezzanine floor + there's a core mezzanine at 102. ;)

Where's the next row of cladding? Feels like it's been a while.

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Not sure, probably some kind of propaganda from the fireproofing company Island International Enterprises (http://www.islandcompanies.com/island-international-enterprises/)


Original plans featured an Observation Deck at 102 and a restaurant at 100 & 101; later the PA flipped the floors, being 100 & 101 for the O.D.

101 floor is a mezzanine floor + there's a core mezzanine at 102. ;)

That's exactly what is in the plans I posted... ?

on that island where the Statue of Liberty is located ;)

I thought so but didn't recognize it in this way oops :doh: :lol:

The lonely column has become a tradition of 1WTC, I'm sad it still isn't there. Especially since with it 1WTC would be a supertall (302m) :cry:

It looks like they are putting scaffolding all along the south face of the base, not just in the southeast corner. I wonder what they are doing, since this scaffolding has been up for about 2 months now.

The lonely column has become a tradition of 1WTC, I'm sad it still isn't there. Especially since with it 1WTC would be a supertall (302m) :cry:

It will be before you know it anyways.

Originally Posted by Kanto
The lonely column has become a tradition of 1WTC, I'm sad it still isn't there. Especially since with it 1WTC would be a supertall (302m)

Originally Posted by Kanto
Important note:
Whenever I speak about a building's height, I speak about its roof height!

:applause:

^^ A column is part of the building, cause it will hold floors in the future :ohno::cheers:

Btw, I bet it'll be there before I know it's there. We lost a lot of contributors so good angled photos are rather rare now :cry: So hard to find out if they're adding new steel now :cry:

^^ A column is part of the building, cause it will hold floors in the future :ohno::cheers:

Btw, I bet it'll be there before I know it's there. We lost a lot of contributors so good angled photos are rather rare now :cry: So hard to find out if they're adding new steel now :cry:

New steel as in building additional floors? If so they are. I can see the cranes hoisting steel for the new floor being build at the moment. I can see from my office right now

^^ A column is part of the building, cause it will hold floors in the future :ohno::cheers:

Btw, I bet it'll be there before I know it's there. We lost a lot of contributors so good angled photos are rather rare now :cry: So hard to find out if they're adding new steel now :cry:

Carlos is posting at skyscraperage.com now. only a little advice.

^^ A column is part of the building, cause it will hold floors in the future :ohno::cheers:

Btw, I bet it'll be there before I know it's there. We lost a lot of contributors so good angled photos are rather rare now :cry: So hard to find out if they're adding new steel now :cry:

There is some beam work and safety net going up on the south side :cheers:

I am assuming there saving the single steel column for the next floor jump for 1 wtc to make the 1000 foot mark.

Carlos is posting at skyscraperage.com now. only a little advice.

Yeah, I know, but I hold a grudge against SSP just as Carlos holds a grudge against SSC :dunno:

What happened to you over there?

And on topic, I do wish the single steal column would show up already :)

Is the Performing Arts Center still to be built?

What happened to you over there?

And on topic, I do wish the single steal column would show up already :)

A thought experiment of mine kinda escalated into the biggest war that forum has ever seen :dunno:

And yeah, I miss our lonely column too :cry::cheers:

Can I get a link to said experiment?

^^ Just go to the Buildings and Architecture subforum and search for locked threads, you can't miss them, there's several of them :lol:

Trust me, you would love SSP because there are a ton of people there who hate me more than anything else. You could chat all day and night about how you hate me and who hates me the most and about similar things :lol:

Thank goodness you hold a grudge with SSP and not this site, otherwise we couldn't benefit from those fabulous, accurate roof-height diagrams. :carrot:

I've been to SSP Kanto. I was there way before I moved over here. I still visit those boards, but they're too slow for my interests (although nowadays things seem to be speeding up what with Carlos and Traynor moving over there).

And people dislike you because from what we've seen, you needlessly bring up your favor of roofs and your supposed hatred of spires.



On topic, on Wiki, the 1WTC page says that it's at the 79th floor. Can someone confirm?

Kanto, the "war" you talk about was because you refused to accept reality time and time again, stubbornly refusing to accept facts from experts. A mature person would just admit that they were wrong and apologize, but . . . this is the Internet, maturity not required.

This is really making some good progress, or at least it has since I last checked it. I might be going to New York soon and I'd love to visit the site again. Last time I was there, the cranes were just getting put up.

That's exactly what is in the plans I posted... ?
:doh: swapped=flipped. Some vocabulary learning! :lol:

Old, yet a rare angle.

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Lower Manhattan (http://www.flickr.com/photos/38990492@N08/6024564614/) by Tom T Photography (http://www.flickr.com/people/38990492@N08/), on Flickr

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Downtown Manhattan skyline (http://www.flickr.com/photos/cybernomad/6024461106/) by Cyber+Nomad (http://www.flickr.com/people/cybernomad/), on Flickr

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"Freedom Tower", at the half-way point (http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnarthurkelly/6018014040/) by johnarthurkelly (http://www.flickr.com/people/johnarthurkelly/), on Flickr

On topic, on Wiki, the 1WTC page says that it's at the 79th floor. Can someone confirm?


Wiki is wrong. They're still on the 78th floor.

Kanto, the "war" you talk about was because you refused to accept reality time and time again, stubbornly refusing to accept facts from experts. A mature person would just admit that they were wrong and apologize, but . . . this is the Internet, maturity not required.

This is really making some good progress, or at least it has since I last checked it. I might be going to New York soon and I'd love to visit the site again. Last time I was there, the cranes were just getting put up.

As I said before, it was only a thought experiment so relax dude. Besides, that's a matter of SSP, not SSC, so please stay on topic and don't bring up stuff that belongs to SSP :ohno:

Btw, Otie, that's a great angle, I love it :cheers: Is it taken from 3 WFC, or from the Goldman Sachs Tower?

Wiki is wrong. They're still on the 78th floor.

Wiki always post ahead the next floor once a certain floor is being constructed .

current height lev78/297m/975ft?
1 more floor to reach 300m, 2more floors to reach 1000ft?

http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/9130/wtcaug10.jpg

^^ I thought at the 78th floor the height should have been 964 feet / 293 meters :dunno: That's at least the info I got from another forumer, so I dunno which is correct :dunno:

Btw, awesome diagram :banana2: Perfect job :cheers:

Btw, Otie, that's a great angle, I love it :cheers: Is it taken from 3 WFC, or from the Goldman Sachs Tower?

The Goldman Sachs Tower :okay:

As always, awesome diagrams Cul! Two WTC is above B2 with some steel rising already above grade and Tower 3 is also above B2.

August 06
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August 08
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I luv this building!!! because it has an iconic presence but it can never replace the twin towers

^^The light in your first photo is amazing, rencharles.

So ... what's this "bunker base" gonna look like anyway? So far it doesn't seem too not clear other than an odd lack of windows in a huge chunk at the bottom.

Does it actually serve any real purpose in protecting against viable threats?

So ... what's this "bunker base" gonna look like anyway? So far it doesn't seem too not clear other than an odd lack of windows in a huge chunk at the bottom.

Does it actually serve any real purpose in protecting against viable threats?

Not sure what the final cladding design will be, but yes, it does serve a purpose. It's main function is to protect against truck bombs. By starting the offices 200 feet up, and covering the base in reinforced concrete, it minimizes the chance of a truck bomb causing large casualties.

So ... what's this "bunker base" gonna look like anyway? So far it doesn't seem too not clear other than an odd lack of windows in a huge chunk at the bottom.

Does it actually serve any real purpose in protecting against viable threats?

The bottom 70 feet or so (lobby) is covered with 3 foot thick concrete, the next 100 feet is unoccupied mechanical floors. The first office floor (20) is about 190 feet above ground level.

Well, no I have a good reason to dislike this building. Apparently the cost of this project is the reason behind the outrageous proposed toll hikes on bridges and tunnels in the NYC area according to an article in today's NYT.

They said this structure is costing $1,000 a square foot!!

^^ I fully support all the security measures they give this building. This is how a building should be made, being as safe as possible. I hope all new buildings will be built with such security measures.

^^ I fully support all the security measures they give this building. This is how a building should be made, being as safe as possible. I hope all new buildings will be built with such security measures.

I wish so as well, I'm sure it's too costly though.

^^ I fully support all the security measures they give this building. This is how a building should be made, being as safe as possible. I hope all new buildings will be built with such security measures.

Such security has significant downsides though, and simply isn't necessary for the vast majority of buildings.

The "1 world trade center" is a fairly unique structure symbolically, so I suppose it can be argued that the threat against it is much greater, and justifies such extreme measures.

^^ In my opinion everything justifies such extreme measures. A building must be safe more than anything else.

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6066/6028961897_7206163d27_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kevinskoepke/6028961897/)
lower manhattan; 2002. (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kevinskoepke/6028961897/) by kevin scott koepke photography (http://www.flickr.com/people/kevinskoepke/), on Flickr
Just a reminder on how far this site has come...

^^ In my opinion everything justifies such extreme measures. A building must be safe more than anything else.

Do you live in NY and are you paying for it?

^^ Nope, but I gladly would. After all, that's money well spent :cheers:

Well, no I have a good reason to dislike this building. Apparently the cost of this project is the reason behind the outrageous proposed toll hikes on bridges and tunnels in the NYC area according to an article in today's NYT.

They said this structure is costing $1,000 a square foot!!

It's like I said before. It won't be a problem into the Governor of New Jersey puts in his 2 cents. The building a scapegoat. The tolls were going up no matter what.

Yeah, sure.

$12 to cross a bridge that used to cost $6 to cross just to pay for this thing.

This is going to be one very unpopular building in NYC

I speaking to Kanto not kingsc in above post

Yeah, sure.

$12 to cross a bridge that used to cost $6 to cross just to pay for this thing.

This is going to be one very unpopular building in NYC

People hated the original WTC after it was constructed, too.

Like someone said, it's just being used as a scapegoat.

Yeah, sure.

$12 to cross a bridge that used to cost $6 to cross just to pay for this thing.

This is going to be one very unpopular building in NYC

They'll make more money, with this building, then they ever lose. They'll make billions of dollars and the toll will still be 12 dollars.

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Just a reminder on how far this site has come...

:eek2: Wow, just wow.

Looks like they are finally installing that missing piece of the curtain wall.

Image via: KPITV Cam. http://evsdatacenter.netfirms.com/kpitv/silver.htm
http://www.wtcphotos.com/photos/wtc1_2011-08-10.jpg

Now we need to see the bottom part installed

Love to see a picture when of the building when curtain walls are fully installed.

This thing has come so far. I wonder when the vertical steel will rise though.

This is one good looking tower baby!

Just think about with the cranes fully erect 1 wtc is only around 1,200 feet it gives you a full perspective how huge 1 wtc is going to be.

The cladding looks like a huge mirror from distance. The reflections of buildings around are just awesome! :popcorn: Can´t wait till it´s complete. It will be real king of Manhattan skyline. :master:

Nighttime view from Jersey City

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Waow...almost 300 m / 1000 ft !!!
This building is awesome...and far better than the former twins towers.

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Amazing!

Waow...almost 300 m / 1000 ft !!!
This building is awesome...and far better than the former twins towers.

I totally agree!

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Remember when everybody was complaining about the cladding? Don't hear too much of that now...it's gorgeous! Also some folks were concerned about how the seams were going to look at the corners. I think it's turning out great.

Waow...almost 300 m / 1000 ft !!!
This building is awesome...and far better than the former twins towers.

Well your low opinion of the "twins towers" doesn't reflect the opinions of everyone.

Well your low opinion of the "twins towers" doesn't reflect the opinions of everyone.

To me there was nothing special about the design of the Twin Towers except the height. If it was built shorter (below 1000 ft) it wouldn't look good at all. I grew to love it even though the design was kinda plain.

The Shard Baby's 4D cityscape Jigsaw Puzzle time-lapse:
The Shard Baby's 4D cityscape Jigsaw Puzzle time-lapse fim (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skKzHB9OiyY)
My time-lapse of 4D cityscape's New York Jigsaw Puzzle 1812-2013.
(has WTC 1 in it).

from http://twitter.com/#!/wtcprogress

http://p.twimg.com/AWgw6Y8CIAAcHCd.jpg:large

http://p.twimg.com/AWgv6jcCAAIcypl.jpg:large

Finishing the 20th floor bathroom in T1
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Well your low opinion of the "twins towers" doesn't reflect the opinions of everyone.

I don't have a low opinion of them: they were great but according to the 1970's criteras. USA show to the world that they can build somerthing even better after this attack because it is an awesome country with brave people.

Finally someone is posting a interior photo. Almost getting bored of all the stunning pictures from the outside whilst the inside work is also interesting. @ which floor are the construction crews now with the interior?

Oli83, thanks for the interiorphoto!

oli in your first picture whats with the word "island" in the glass?

probably a "cheap" ad for one of the companys working there:

http://www.islandcompanies.com/island-international-enterprises/

Nice to see it from the inside too :banana2:

To me there was nothing special about the design of the Twin Towers except the height. If it was built shorter (below 1000 ft) it wouldn't look good at all. I grew to love it even though the design was kinda plain.

The design was bland, but they looked cool on the skyline!!!! Sorry for the off topic

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Well your low opinion of the "twins towers" doesn't reflect the opinions of everyone.




I think it is at least as good as the twin towers. Fairly different of course, but equal, as in equally as good.

Some unusual angle:

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Following 9/11’s destruction of the World Trade Center's twin towers, New York’s TV stations moved their transmission facilities back to the Empire State Building, where they had been from their early days until the early 1980s. They’re likely to stay there, but management of the fast-rising 1 World Trade Center (pictured) is hoping to lure them back. This is the fourth in a TVNewsCheck series this week on how broadcasters responded to the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, and how the attacks affected the business.
By Harry A. Jessell
TVNewsCheck, August 11, 2011 10:58 AM EDT
The terrorist attacks of 9/11 struck at the very heart of broadcasting in New York, bringing down the broadcast tower and transmitters of the city's leading stations atop the north tower of the World Trade Center and killing six broadcast engineers who were manning the transmission facilities within.

The stations had direct feeds to the major cable systems and the satellite operators, meaning that as many as 80% of viewers experienced no disruption in receiving the stations' non-stop coverage of the attacks and their aftermath.

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Nonetheless, the broadcasters scrambled to restore their over-the-air service as quickly as they could, jumping to back-up facilities on the Empire State Building or other towers in the area. Most were back on the air by week's end, although, in most cases, with reduced power and coverage.

And in the months and years that followed, the broadcasters' remained committed to restoring their over-the-air service, even though their over-the-air viewership continued to shrink (to about 10% of homes now).

Organized as the Metropolitan Television Alliance (MTVA), they sought a new permanent home for their transmission facilities that would deliver the best possible signals to the most homes in the country's No. 1 TV market.

That effort eventually led them back to the Empire State Building, which the broadcasters had abandoned for the higher ground of the north tower in the early 1980s. They are ensconced at Empire now and are likely to remain.

But in the past few months, the Durst Organization has reportedly begun trying to lure broadcaster back to Ground Zero, to 1 World Trade Center (formerly known as the Freedom Tower). The first skyscraper to rise from the 9/11 rubble, 1 World Trade will top out in 2013 at a symbolic 1,776 feet. Today, steel for the building has risen to the 78th floor.

"There has been talk of that, but I have not seen [a firm proposal] yet," says MTVA President Saul Shapiro. "They are trying to make the numbers work."

The family-owned Durst Organization last year took a equity interest in the building, which is primarily owned by the Port Authority of New York & New Jersey. As part of that deal, it is taking an active role in finding tenants — so far Conde Nast is the big one with a third of the building's planned 3 million square feet of office space — and other ways of monetizing the building.

Durst is well known to New York broadcasters. Among its other considerable real estate holdings is 4 Times Square, which is currently the third tallest structure in the city and whose 1,143 feet includes a 300-foot broadcast tower, mostly for FM stations. (It will soon fall to fourth place as 1 World Trade continues to add floors.)

Earl Arbuckle, the Fox engineer who manages the transmission needs of WNYW and WWOR, said that Durst is taking the same approach with its broadcast transmission marketing of 1 World Trade as it has at 4 Times Square.

Durst is trying to make the cost of 1 World Trade "much more reasonable" by building a common infrastructure — things like back-up generators and cooling — that all the stations could share, he said.

Arbuckle said that Fox is open to Durst's pitch and that it is possible that its two New York stations could end up with transmitters on both Empire and 1 World Trade. "Certainly 9/11 taught us that it would be smart to have redundant facilities."

Durst did not return repeated calls to comment for this story.

According to Shapiro, the MTVA membership includes eight broadcasters with 11 stations: NBCUniversal, ABC, CBS, Tribune, Univision, Ion Media, WNET and Fox.

In the immediate wake of 9/11, having determined that Empire was inadequate for the long term, the MTVA made a big push to find a site for a new broadcast tower, possibly a free-standing one that would provide the market coverage that stations were unable to achieve either at Empire or the World Trade Center. Such a project would cost around $200 million.

One of the more attractive sites was the 172-acre Governors Island, just off the southern tip of Manhattan. But New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg had other ideas for the island, which was just then being handed back to the city by the federal government. He squashed that plan.

Another possibility was Bayonne, N.J., a port city on New York Bay just southwest of Manhattan.

After plans for a free-standing tower failed the pan out, MTVA reached an agreement in 2003 to move the broadcasters to 1 World Trade, which was then controlled by Larry Silverstein. Terms were not released. At that time, the target date for the building's completion was 2008.

As the construction fell further and further behind schedule and control of the building passed from Silverstein to the Port Authority, the MTVA's enthusiasm for the project waned, and it walked away from the deal. The 2003 agreement was not binding.

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hapiro says it was mainly a matter of money, but also timing. Nobody could say for sure when the building would be finished.

One happy consequence of the 2003 deal, Shapiro noted, is that 1 World Trade was designed to support broadcast transmission facilities. In fact, he said, the MTVA owns a fuel tank for back-up generators in the building below ground.

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While the World Trade deal was unraveling, the broadcasters began settling in on Empire, some with long-term leases. Today, according to FCC records, the landmark is home to 11 TV stations: WABC, WCBS, WNBC, WNJU (Telemundo), WPIX (Tribune), WNET (PBS), WFUT and WXTV(Univision), WPXN (Ion Media) and WWOR and WNYW (Fox).

Some of the broadcasters maintain backup facilities elsewhere. For instance, should something go wrong at Empire, WNBC, WCBS, WNYW, WWOR and WNJU can switch to a tower in West Orange, N.J., about 20 miles west of Manhattan. The 400-foot tower, owned by Richland Towers, sits on a 600-foot ridge, giving the antennas a 1,000-foot perch.

Other backup options are another Richland tower atop the Bloomberg Tower on the east side of Manhattan at Lexington Avenue and 58th Street and Durst's 4 Times Square.

Having backup is still important, says Arbuckle. In addition to the remaining over-the-air viewers, he said, some outlying cable systems in the New York market still pick up the stations' signals off air. They can't retransmit what they can't receive.

Shapiro said that Durst may have a tough time prying broadcasters off of Empire. The broadcasters are doing fine on Empire, although some would like to improve service by filling holes in their coverage, he says. It's not "mission critical" for any to move to another site.

The Malkin real estate family, which acquired control of the building five years ago, are taking out some of the old analog antennas and transmitters to make more room and to site the digital antennas better, Shapiro said. "They're creating a nice piece of real estate that could result in better service."

Frank Graybill, director of engineering for WNET, one of the three VHF stations at Empire, says he has a long-term lease for Empire and is not looking to move. "It's still seven years out before we would have to do anything."

The histories of Empire and broadcasting and intertwined. In the building's first year, 1931, RCA began using it for its experimental TV and FM broadcasts and eventually the launch of WNBC. After 1950, other stations began migrating to the building.

According to Fox's Arbuckle, city broadcasters first organized as the Television Broadcasters' All-Industry Committee in the late 1960s to protest the construction of the twin towers of the World Trade Center, which, they contended, would interfere with their signals from Empire.

The broadcasters' suit was settled with an agreement, under which the broadcasters would move to the north tower, with the Port Authority picking up some of the cost. They made the move in the early 1980s and broadcast continually from there for two decades — until 9/11.

^ You forgot the source: http://www.tvnewscheck.com/article/2011/08/11/53190/world-trade-back-in-nyc-broadcast-picture

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Freedom Tower (http://www.flickr.com/photos/gstav/6032507870/) by GStav (http://www.flickr.com/people/gstav/), on Flickr

One month until the Memorial opens.. hoping to see that lonely column soon :) :cheers:

when do you think the tower will reach 1200 feet?

when do you think the tower will reach 1200 feet?

If weather permits i would say around early January but don't quote me on that.

Awesome :)

wtc.com

Image credit: Joe Woolhead
Courtesy of: Silverstein Properties
Taken: August 04, 2011

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Very nice pic :) :banana: .

Much thanks for the update... more pics will be great.

Ground Zero is moving very well :cheers: .

^^ Its NOT GZ it is the WTC!!!

GZ is the directly impacted zone of a nuke explosion, while this is a new fantastic upcoming complex.

^^ Already forgotten that this was called ground zero as well? :|

However, this is the new WTC. :cool:

^^ Its NOT GZ it is the WTC!!!

GZ is the directly impacted zone of a nuke explosion, while this is a new fantastic upcoming complex.

I'm with you, we should forget the name Ground Zero, it is the World Trade Center site again ^^

^^ Its NOT GZ it is the WTC!!!

GZ is the directly impacted zone of a nuke explosion, while this is a new fantastic upcoming complex.

LOL, love this. So true.

My wtc pics from yesterday...

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DSCN2709 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/6034307552/) by Nexis4Jersey09 (http://www.flickr.com/people/42178139@N06/), on Flickr

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Jersey will have a very nice view of the WTC. In fact, they have one of the nicer views of lower Manhattan period as the AIG and 40 Wall Street buildings are not obscured as they are from some other vantage points.

My favorite view is from staten island. It may be a bit farther away, but you can see the entire city perfectly from the northernmost part of the island. (I live their so it may be a bias opinion)

If you have really strong binaculars hahahaha.

That is ever the problem that Jersey have relative to Brookly - it is too far away across the wide Hudson rather than simply being across the narrow east river.

I wonder when cladding will pass 7 WTC. When it does, it will really stand out I bet. :cheers:

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NYC - Manhattan - One World Trade Center (http://www.flickr.com/photos/15434282@N00/6034617670/) por cerdsp (http://www.flickr.com/people/15434282@N00/), en Flickr

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NYC - Manhattan - One World Trade Center (http://www.flickr.com/photos/15434282@N00/6034618154/) por cerdsp (http://www.flickr.com/people/15434282@N00/), en Flickr

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NYC - Manhattan - World Trade Center (http://www.flickr.com/photos/15434282@N00/6034061391/) por cerdsp (http://www.flickr.com/people/15434282@N00/), en Flickr

Freedom Tower rises from ground zero (http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/article/Freedom-Tower-rises-from-ground-zero-1907696.php)

...A 10-minute ascent -- for lack of a better word -- from the street level leads to the building's open-air 70th floor.
There are no elevators, at least not the kind most people are used to.
No, there's what's known as "the hoist," a cage-like lift plastered with bumper stickers from faraway places like Key West, Fla., complete with a boom box playing Shakira's "Hips Don't Lie."
"The key is don't look outside and don't look down," Frank Crecco, 58, a plumber from Long Island, advises before the harrowing ride.
One ride on the local and one ride on the express version of the hoist, which has a weight limit of 7,700 pounds, transports construction workers to vertigo-inducing heights.
...

Photos by Bob Luckey / Greenwich Time (http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/article/Freedom-Tower-rises-from-ground-zero-1907696.php)
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A cameraman documents the footprints of the World Trade Center towers from the 39th floor of the Freedom Tower, also known as One World Trade Center, New York City, Thursday, Aug. 11, 2011, under construction a month before the 10th anniversary of 9/11.

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A view looking north toward the Empire State Building from the 70th floor of the Freedom Tower, also known as One World Trade Center, New York City, Thursday, Aug. 11, 2011, under construction a month before the 10th anniversary of 9/11. At left is the Hudson River.


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Looking east from the 39th floor of the Freedom Tower...

More pics at the provided link.

Here are my own pictures from the 9th

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If you have really strong binaculars hahahaha.

That is ever the problem that Jersey have relative to Brookly - it is too far away across the wide Hudson rather than simply being across the narrow east river.

Well there is a point at the very north end where there is an excellent view, and the fact that it's a little farther away makes the city look even more epic

Awesome updates! The different angles makes me appreciate how badass the whole complex is going to look once complete... Even just when 1WTC tops out! AMAZING!

Nice ones, Nihon!

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New York City (http://www.flickr.com/photos/flydolce/6035899410/) by Anthony Dolce (http://www.flickr.com/people/flydolce/), on Flickr

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New York City (http://www.flickr.com/photos/flydolce/6035348261/) by Anthony Dolce (http://www.flickr.com/people/flydolce/), on Flickr

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New York City (http://www.flickr.com/photos/flydolce/6035344425/) by Anthony Dolce (http://www.flickr.com/people/flydolce/), on Flickr

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New York City (http://www.flickr.com/photos/flydolce/6035355907/) by Anthony Dolce (http://www.flickr.com/people/flydolce/), on Flickr

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DSC_0127 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/djkatscan/6033638447/) by djkatscan (http://www.flickr.com/people/djkatscan/), on Flickr

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lower manhattan (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kevinskoepke/6036598263/) by kevin scott koepke photography (http://www.flickr.com/people/kevinskoepke/), on Flickr

Please do not reproduce this image without my permission. Thank you.

^^ Hey you can keep your picture. I'll take some picture tomorrow and you guys can do what ever you want with them.

Must be around 300 meters high. Cool pics!

^^ Hey you can keep your picture. I'll take some picture tomorrow and you guys can do what ever you want with them.

You do that, buddy.
And I will do what I want with mine.
Without the sarcastic remarks.:ohno::bash::ohno:

It's alright Kevin. Your pics are much appreciated here, along with Kitty and Nexis. I love when people share their days at the site with us.

Again, thanks to Otie for always posting as well.

No picture for you Oilmanjr lol. You ppl need to lighting up.

No picture for you Oilmanjr lol. You ppl need to lighting up.

It's all good kingsc; I've been burned with people just copying my work and calling it their own. I would prefer not have to ask people to not copy my shots but I'll be damned if someone makes a buck off my skills...

...the man is a professional photographer...he needs to protect his work. The high quality is obvious.^^

I'll be down at the WTC tomorrow, gonna do some shopping at Century 21. I haven't seen the building in person since April 2010 when it was just the base and the first office floor, so it'll definitely be awesome to see how much it's grown up close! I'll snap a couple of shots too, but it's with my lousy phone camera (I had even taken a couple of pics on Thursday from a distance, but my phone camera settings were screwed up and the pictures were all tiny, now I fixed the settings). :banana:

I'll be down at the WTC tomorrow, gonna do some shopping at Century 21. I haven't seen the building in person since April 2010 when it was just the base and the first office floor, so it'll definitely be awesome to see how much it's grown up close! I'll snap a couple of shots too, but it's with my lousy phone camera (I had even taken a couple of pics on Thursday from a distance, but my phone camera settings were screwed up and the pictures were all tiny, now I fixed the settings). :banana:

You'll be surprised :uh:
Have a nice shopping day!

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