one wtc is really starting to resemble the renders now. ;D

PS, when's the building's base gunna be clad? some sources say early 2012 but some say earlier than that..

Fassade looks great so far. Seems at the end the results will meet the high expectations.:)

Btw.
http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/233/5/b/1_by_cf_jot-d47cnw7.gif

Lol that 1000th comment sure is a big deal XD

Grrreeeat!

Isn't the luxury hotel building starting early 2012 (church street, something like that?)

Off topic: Well, as a height fanatic I really hope that it'll (440) be 433m :banana2:

Btw, I have a good scheme here that shows the underground retail areas :2cents:

http://i56.tinypic.com/rvj6fn.jpg

^^ It's scheduled to open in 2014 I think.

today.

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Off topic: Well, as a height fanatic I really hope that it'll (440) be 433m :banana2:

Btw, I have a good scheme here that shows the underground retail areas :2cents:



There's definitely a lot more to it than what is visible above ground. That's what makes this site 10x more amazing than just any old skyscraper.

1800 is being dismantled today.

one wtc is really starting to resemble the renders now. ;D

PS, when's the building's base gunna be clad? some sources say early 2012 but some say earlier than that..

Early next year. Not sure if it's been mentioned before, but APG International (http://www.apgintl.com/home.php) got the contract. It will have a dichroic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dichroic_glass) coating applied to one layer at the north and south entrances of the ground-level main lobby and behind the lobby desks as well.

^^ Wow, when was this announced?

^^ Wow, when was this announced?

It never was per se. The information comes from the PA's meeting minutes from Feb 24th.

The PA is a public agency. The info is all on their website. You just gotta dig for it.

^Hmmm... interesting, I only know that both north and south lobbies will have these dichroic glass behind the desk, but never heard anything about the north and south outer cladding... if they're going to clad only these faces, why only 2 of 4? Any links to sources or documents you've saved, Spectre? :D

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/20070802freedomlobby.jpg

^Hmmm... interesting, I only know that both north and south lobbies will have these dichroic glass behind the desk, but never heard anything about the north and south outer cladding... if they're going to clad only these faces, why only 2 of 4? Any links to sources or documents you've saved, Spectre? :D



Page 21.
http://www.panynj.gov/corporate-information/pdf/board_minutes_feb_24_2011.pdf

The documents are "protected", so you can't copy and paste unless you do a screenshot, but that's time consuming. But you can read for yourself.

I would guess they're doing only two sides due to costs. Seems a shame though. Especially since the north side isn't very visible.

Shot I took today while visiting NYC http://i.imgur.com/BbEFo.jpg

Hehe. Look at it. <3 (You can see construction of the old WTC on the monitor.)
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Someone posted that on SSP, but I can't remember who...

It's so beautiful.

^^ Would be awesome if one day they added a small elevator that could take observation deck visitors most of the way up the spire and then have a narrow spiral staircase leading up to a small circular platform at the top of the spire. Obviously the top deck would be very tiny (maybe 10 feet in diameter)and only a few people could be allowed up at a time, but there are already similar things in the Empire State Building and Statue of Liberty. I know it's probably impractical but would be cool if they could make it work.

I wonder though, if the final spire will look like that or end up looking swirly like that Discovery program render. The more I look at the swirly version, the more I prefer it.

I wonder though, if the final spire will look like that or end up looking swirly like that Discovery program render. The more I look at the swirly version, the more I prefer it.

Swirly version?

Swirly version?

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=13835&d=1313776930


This one lol

This one lol

That's the same spire / communications ring, isn't it?

EDIT: Now I see the difference. Yeah. That accommodates the building profile better, IMHO.

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/20070802freedomlobby.jpg



That's quite a fat and formidable wall between the entrance and the concierge. Designed to be bombproof I guess.

^^thats what i call a phat wall!

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/20070802freedomlobby.jpg



That's quite a fat and formidable wall between the entrance and the concierge. Designed to be bombproof I guess.

I'm surprised it looks so nice. Hopefully it retains a good look despite the glass, etc...

looks brilliant, well done NYC!

This one lol

I agree with you. The "swirly" version is better :banana2:

Btw, I like that lobby on the pic. This just proves that a lobby can look good even when being a concrete bunker :cheers:

del

They started bringing metal up for the next floor today. :)

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scaffolding IS FINALLY UP now for more steel to come up soon . :banana::banana::banana::banana:

Quick question.... I know it will take 6 months to finish the spire but what do you think will be finished first... Cladding or spire? It may be a stupid question as the cladding could be clear winner.

(by 6 months, I mean 6 months after the building has T/O)

Cladding will be finished before the spire is up. That is, if you are not counting the base.

Yey for scaffolding!

Cladding will be finished before the spire is up. That is, if you are not counting the base.

Isn't the base supposed to be done this winter?

This one lol

In a way, its like a mini version of the chicago spire, only its just a spire.

Scaffolding is now covering the whole southern face of the base. (http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/live-camera.html)

Isn't the base supposed to be done this winter?

I think so. Its going to make the whole building look much better IMO. :cheers:

I think so. Its going to make the whole building look much better IMO. :cheers:

Ok, my bad. I excluded it because I didn't think anyone was sure when it was going to get done.

another rendering from the discovery program.

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=13856&d=1314040068

also a videro clip from the program including some nice renderigns of the pavillon
http://bcove.me/akrg8mkn

^^ Even in that picture, Goldman Sachs' lights stand out! :lol:

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=13856&d=1314040068


even with the bad quality i believe this pic shows the site will probably look its best at night

^^ Even in that picture, Goldman Sachs' lights stand out! :lol:

Noticed that too. Goldie looks like the sun in that render :lol:

that render has an esb esque to it.

301 meters? Where's the source? Has Carlos posted it on SSP!? If so, today is a happy day! :D

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Please do not reproduce or repost without my permission.Thank you. :banana:

^^ Would be awesome if one day they added a small elevator that could take observation deck visitors most of the way up the spire and then have a narrow spiral staircase leading up to a small circular platform at the top of the spire. Obviously the top deck would be very tiny (maybe 10 feet in diameter)and only a few people could be allowed up at a time, but there are already similar things in the Empire State Building and Statue of Liberty. I know it's probably impractical but would be cool if they could make it work.


Might be dangerous due to microwave radiation. Even though a roof observation deck would be nice.

Great progress!

Might be dangerous due to microwave radiation. Even though a roof observation deck would be nice.

The first version of the SOM 1WTC featured an Observation Deck at the top of the tower (1362' above lobby floor) with a parapet extending to 1368', but after several revisions engineers realised there was no space to put an open observation platform at the top of the tower. The main reason why there will be no O.D. is not due to the microwave radiaton that the communication equipment may emit, but to the fact that the tower is self-contained. There's cooling towers at top, as well as a window washing track, a permanent crane, a BMU* and other mechanical stuff. ;)

*Building Maintenance Unit

Wow it´s growing quickly in the NY skyline when shut be ready?

Hurricane Irene could pass over the general NYC area in a couple of days which could be a significant drawback to the breakneck construction progress we've gotten used to.

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The main reason why there will be no O.D. is not due to the microwave radiaton that the communication equipment may emit, but to the fact that the tower is self-contained. There's cooling towers at top, as well as a window washing track, a permanent crane, a BMU* and other mechanical stuff. ;)

Bummer about the observation deck but at least it's cool that it'll be self-contained. I wonder if the building will be ready by the time I get around to NYC. :)

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even with the bad quality i believe this pic shows the site will probably look its best at night

Isn't that allways the case with skylines in the world?

Isn't that allways the case with skylines in the world?

Not some medium size skylines. For example, Detroit looks terrible at night.

http://www.doblevych.com/images/portfolio/photo/cities/detroit/detroit_skyline_dramatic_900x675.jpg

What? Detroit looks awesome at night; the view from Windsor is killer.

Better than how it looks in the daytime, anyway.

In my opinion it is always better then daylight...

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even with the bad quality i believe this pic shows the site will probably look its best at night

Film Babylon A.D. :)

New steel! 301 meters! http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/live-camera.html

NYC has a new supertall now! :okay: And what a kind of!

New steel today.

http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/5658/82311newsteel002.jpg

Almost a thousand feet tall! I hope they'll put up steel columns for floors 81 and 82 to pass the 1,000 mark before 9/11/11.

Another pic.

http://img808.imageshack.us/img808/2415/82311newsteel2003.jpg

Thanks Ken. It is awesome to have some real time pictures!!

The pics sure show how small the upper floors are getting. Towards the top I imagine the two cranes will barely fit.

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are they any videos for the show?

Page for the show. enjoy the vids!
http://dsc.discovery.com/tv/the-rising/

Yes now a super tall hope this storm does not hit here next week a slow down any progress .

Taken by me on 8/23/2011, from Bleecker and West Broadway:

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EARTHQUAKE! :nuts:

I'm in Manhattan and didn't feel any earthquake here.

weird because i just called my friend who works on 42nd and he felt it. they also evacuated a bunch of buildings so im guessing they evacuated the workers from 1 WTC

way off topic but this is total BS. Whatever ever happened it was so minor that very few people here felt it. That people are using this as an excuse to go home is a joke.

having said that, I actually could understand if some construction sites on skyscrapers shut down for the rest of the day.

did something happen with the scaffolding in the pictures above? It did look as though it fell or is twisted. When was that picture taken?

That quake was insane. My door rattled inside its frame :nuts:

I'm downtown by battery park and we definitely felt the building sway here

Actually, now that I look closer there is nothing abnormal about the scaffolding - it is just the angle of ground level is different than what I am accustomed to.

^^ There was a 6.0 earthquake near to Washington DC according to the dutch news here.

Will there be fireproofing sprayed onto the crisscrossing red beams on the base?

Hey, they put the American Flag back on 1 WTC. http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/live-camera.html Wonder why? Maybe because of the earthquake? But I thought nobody died.. :dunno:

Looking good. it's really getting quite high now!
as for the quake, 5.8 is NOT minor if you are close to where it happens. It was lucky it didn't happen right under a major city like NY, or else there would have been a LOT more damage.:ohno:

Something of biblical proportions already happened today, 1WTC became a supertall! :cheer::master::banana2:

Yes folks, NYC now has two supertalls. And many, very many more proposed or even approved. All New Yorker skyscraper fans should feel privileged for living in this era of such a huge NYC skyscraper boom.

Well, and since new steel was erected it is again time for my famous checklist.
1WTC is now 302 meters or 991 feet tall making it a supertall skyscraper. Now it needs only one foot more to pass the Houston Wells Fargo Plaza. It is currently the 9th tallest building in the US and the 2nd tallest building in NYC

http://i53.tinypic.com/2efs5j8.jpg
http://i55.tinypic.com/bezpeg.jpg

NYC has more than Two supertalls but I don't want to start any shit in these thread.

Hey, they put the American Flag back on 1 WTC. http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/live-camera.html Wonder why? Maybe because of the earthquake? But I thought nobody died.. :dunno:

Most likely that is preparation for the ceremonies of 9/11 which are coming up.

Something of biblical proportions already happened today, 1WTC became a supertall! :cheer::master::banana2:

Yes folks, NYC now has two supertalls. And many, very many more proposed or even approved. All New Yorker skyscraper fans should feel privileged for living in this era of such a huge NYC skyscraper boom.

Well, and since new steel was erected it is again time for my famous checklist.
1WTC is now 302 meters or 991 feet tall making it a supertall skyscraper. Now it needs only one foot more to pass the Houston Wells Fargo Plaza. It is currently the 9th tallest building in the US and the 2nd tallest building in NYC

http://i53.tinypic.com/2efs5j8.jpg
http://i55.tinypic.com/bezpeg.jpg

I don't think it is a supertall yet. There are two measures for supertall - one in meters and one in feet. Given that in the US we use feet and this tower is in the US I assume it would have to be 1,000 feet tall before qualifying as supertall - passing 300 meters doesn't count in a country that doesn't use meters.

Will there be fireproofing sprayed onto the crisscrossing red beams on the base?

Finally a good question! The base beams are already fireproofed with intumescent paint. Sheer metal column covers will encase the red steel.

http://skycraper90.blogspot.com/2011/08/world-trade-center.html

My pictures from Today....

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I totally agree with that.

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Happy for the building have reached the mark of 300 meters before the attacks of 10 years. I am also happy that this earthquake did not reach our wonderful city, I was quite worried.

Even if a quake of large proportions hit the city, at least this building would still stand.

Exactly. A building like this, designed to withstand both earthquakes and tornadoes (and of course, terrorism). Of course, all to a certain extent, but this building is the "stronger" in town.

Well, and since new steel was erected it is again time for my famous checklist.

Ha! More like infamous.

It's coming along so good. Very proud.

I deleted nearly 2 pages full of offtopic stuff bitching about whether the US are a great country and what not. People, if you want to discuss such issues, go to our international skybar (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=15) or some other skybar.

This thread is exclusively for the 1WTC project, nothing else, so just stop it!

Could you,please post the diagram about WTC1 contruction progress?

^^ Here, though it isn't perfect. It's just a 1WTC model cut to the actual height. Cullwulla makes the perfect construction diagrams so you should ask him :cheers:

http://i55.tinypic.com/wmbbyu.jpg

Next step is to overtake the Chrysler's spire.

Exactly. A building like this, designed to withstand both earthquakes and tornadoes (and of course, terrorism). Of course, all to a certain extent, but this building is the "stronger" in town.
Old towers were designed in this way as well. And we all know what happened... ;)

Old towers were designed in this way as well. And we all know what happened... ;)

The new wtc is much better fortified than the twins

My question is on One World Trade Center is what is it max threshold aka strength?

What is the highest earthquake level could it survive from 1.0 to 10.0?
What is the highest Tornado it can survive from a EF 1 to an EF5?
what is the higest Hurricane it can survive from CAT 1 to CAT 5?
last but not least can One World Trade Center survive the big 1000 foot plus tusnami that the discovery channel predicits for NYC?

What is the max this Power house of a building can withstand?

Thanks for the roof height diagram Kanto. :okay: Here is the current spire/pinnacle height diagram: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-iUTTA-T2am4/TjCJdfL8yiI/AAAAAAAAACU/cPHB-quNrrI/s1600/July%2B27th%2B2011%2BUpdate.bmp

Diagram credit: www.skyscraperpage.com

Breathtaking pictures and drawings on the progress of works.

Really going to be spectacular, a new icon, but never forget the most beautiful twins could see a city on earth.

recently, the picture for 1 & 2 WTC changed on SSP. Who decides which picture shows by default?

recently, the picture for 1 & 2 WTC changed on SSP. Who decides which picture shows by default?

i think some admins there decide for the most accurate and best looking ones. normally im very happy with their decissions

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NYC will be the No.1 again, skylinewise.

1 WTC is on Fox News right now they are talking about the memorial.

Good diagram WTCNewYork, it's nice to see another diagramer over here :cheers:

^^ Thanks :cheers:

My question is on One World Trade Center is what is it max threshold aka strength?

What is the highest earthquake level could it survive from 1.0 to 10.0?
What is the highest Tornado it can survive from a EF 1 to an EF5?
what is the higest Hurricane it can survive from CAT 1 to CAT 5?
last but not least can One World Trade Center survive the big 1000 foot plus tusnami that the discovery channel predicits for NYC?

What is the max this Power house of a building can withstand?

Interesting questions. I don't know the answers but imagine the building strength is based on the probabilities of the things above vs. cost. Some are so unlikely (mag 8-10 earthquake, cat 4/5, hurricane, EF 5 tornado) that they probably didn't even consider them. A 1000-foot tsunami? I haven't see that show, but guess that's something like a once-in-10million-year event. If it did happen, it would wipe NYC off the map. No buildings, no matter how strong, would remain.

What sort of preparations are going to be made for Irene. Latest model runs show the potential for significant storm surge and winds gusting over hurricane force on Sunday. I assume the tower cranes can handle this, but how is flooding handled? What about the netting? It seems like there could be some significant delays from this storm.

The only way there could be a 1000 ft tsunami anywhere is as the result of a global impact event. In which case you'd have a lot more to worry about than a tsunami.

I don't think it is a supertall yet. There are two measures for supertall - one in meters and one in feet. Given that in the US we use feet and this tower is in the US I assume it would have to be 1,000 feet tall before qualifying as supertall - passing 300 meters doesn't count in a country that doesn't use meters.

That diagram is inaccurate. 1 WTC is (well, will be) taller than Sears Tower.

And before anyone begins about spires and whatnot, I don't care. 1WTC is officially 1776 feet which makes it officially the tallest skyscraper in the United States. :)

That diagram is inaccurate. 1 WTC is (well, will be) taller than Sears Tower.

And before anyone begins about spires and whatnot, I don't care. 1WTC is officially 1776 feet which makes it officially the tallest skyscraper in the United States. :)

This.

Hi all.

Interesting questions. I don't know the answers but imagine the building strength is based on the probabilities of the things above vs. cost. Some are so unlikely (mag 8-10 earthquake, cat 4/5, hurricane, EF 5 tornado) that they probably didn't even consider them. A 1000-foot tsunami? I haven't see that show, but guess that's something like a once-in-10million-year event. If it did happen, it would wipe NYC off the map. No buildings, no matter how strong, would remain.

Great reply Swiddle.

I would add, they usually design for a 50 year event in regards to the wind. I would surmise the same for the others on the list. They have to draw a line in the sand between what is considered strong enough and the cost.

:cheers:
Ray.

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its finally starting to not look like a fat stump :]

Some pretty amazing animation:

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Sorry, here is the link: http://vimeo.com/27900450

Sorry, here is the link: http://vimeo.com/27900450

Gorgeous! I wonder how long it will take the trees to grow, for the actual memorial to really resemble that video.

What a masterpiece..amazing building!love the cladding!

My question is on One World Trade Center is what is it max threshold aka strength?

What is the highest earthquake level could it survive from 1.0 to 10.0?
What is the highest Tornado it can survive from a EF 1 to an EF5?
what is the higest Hurricane it can survive from CAT 1 to CAT 5?
last but not least can One World Trade Center survive the big 1000 foot plus tusnami that the discovery channel predicits for NYC?

What is the max this Power house of a building can withstand?

I was checking out this article (http://www.discoveryuk.com/web/the-rising/inside-the-rebuild/5-coolest-features-of-one-world-trade-center/) listing the 5 coolest features of one world trade centre, apparently it has a bomb proof base and is constructed of concrete that can withstand 14,000 lbs of pressure per square inch.

So that is pretty cool, it could withstand a truckload of 1500 lb's of explosives!

I don't really care whether or not it could withstand a CAT 5 hurricane or an EF 5 tornado, or even a magnitude 10 earthquake because that is never going to happen in NYC because of it's geographical location, it's basically impossible.

I do wonder whether or not it would have survived 9/11 had this of been the tower that was attacked and not the twin towers?

I don't know much about architecture but this looks awesome and with the 4 sided twisting effect, leading in to the octagon structure created half way up this would seem like a very solid design, coupled with the concrete elevator shafts running through the core I would have though this could have survived a 9/11 like attack.

First time I've seen the design for the new WTC complex and it's awesome, i've been to NYC a couple of times post 9/11, and I love the city. I'll be going back there as soon as the skyline is complete again. I can't believe there is almost no coverage of the new development in the UK, i'm sure it will be all over the media when completed though.

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Sorry, here is the link: http://vimeo.com/27900450

Wow, thats incredible. Thanks for sharing!

Sorry, here is the link: http://vimeo.com/27900450

saw parts on it on a very small documentory on german television in a show

Wow, thats incredible. Thanks for sharing!

Yeh it really is, I like the memorial with the waterfall features surrounded by the oak trees. You get a much better idea what it will be like from the animation rather than pictures.

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just a reminder, the WTC special on the Discovery Channel is airing tonight.
I didn't know it would be so long, 3 hours, divided into 3, hour long segments. It's repeated if you miss it.


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http://dsc.discovery.com/

Hey. I am in germany and i wanna see it too. On which channel will it be the eiring, and what time? Is there any live internetstream available?

There are another 3 episodes airing September 1st, one including the transit hub

Hey. I am in germany and i wanna see it too. On which channel will it be the eiring, and what time? Is there any live internetstream available?
As Hudson11 said, it'll be airing on Discovery Channel. If I'm not mistaking, I think the show will air in Europe starting with September the 5th, at 20:00 CET/ 21:00 EET. Also you might what to know that this will be a 6 episode documentary, so it'll air every day starting with September the 5th at the same hours (20:00 CET/ 21:00 EET).

Wow! It's fantastic all of a sudden and outshining all the towers around it.

Hurricane Irene storm surge map coutesy of WNYC (http://project.wnyc.org/news-maps/hurricane-zones/hurricane-zones.html):

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As you can see, the potential inundation at WTC is serious.

Only the orange area is going to be possibly flooded. The rest requires a direct hit by a Category 2 or higher hurricane which is unlikely.

Still I hope they secure the construction sites well. Dont' want to see damage from flying objects or people hurt. It would suck if cladding gets messed up.

I cant wait to see this special tonight!!! I'll bet not a single member will be logged on this thread tonight; they'll be too busy with thier eyes glued to the t.v. ...I know I will :)

My question is on One World Trade Center is what is it max threshold aka strength?

What is the highest earthquake level could it survive from 1.0 to 10.0?
What is the highest Tornado it can survive from a EF 1 to an EF5?
what is the higest Hurricane it can survive from CAT 1 to CAT 5?
last but not least can One World Trade Center survive the big 1000 foot plus tusnami that the discovery channel predicits for NYC?

What is the max this Power house of a building can withstand?

The entire spandrel framing system of WTC 1 are progressive collapse resisting moment frames. The members of which are much bigger than you would see in a lateral moment frame because they have to resist the very large forces that would occur if you lost a column at any given location. They aren't flexible connections though, so i doubt they would preform well in a 10.0 earthquake. That is a much bigger quake than you would ever see on the east coast, short of the apocalypse though.

As for wind forces, that system would perform extremely well. WTC1 would more than likely survive a category 5 hurricane, as would most highrise buildings in NYC.

If I understand tornado ratings correctly, the EF is based on how much damage is caused. Therefore, an EF-1 in the middle of Kansas could be an EF-3 if it went through New Jersey. Either way, a strong tornado would likely blow out the facade, but it wouldn't topple the tower.

As for the tsunami, go watch Deep Impact. Nothing survives this side of the Appalachians.

I did some research on the Force Protection design of WTC1 for a presentation and without getting into specifics of the design, the only thing I see bringing this baby down is an asteroid. They really did a good job with this one.

Great update!

soooo half of the WTC site can potentially be flooded this weekend. :ohno:

^^ yes this tower is supposed to withstand the possibility of another attack :) the twin towers hadn't a central core b/c at the time the port authority wanted to maximize office space, so they used strong steel around the towers to even out the weight. (keep in mind there were only two instead of six). When the towers fell, the jet fuel melted the outer columns thus the towers collapsed into themselves (Also keep in mind the core was made of ~sheerock~, and although they were designed to withstand the impact of a plane, they were not designed to deal with Jet Fuel). I guess people in the 70's thought that planes just flew by themselves? Ignorance is the worlds curse. In any event, The Freedom tower is designed todeal with all of these possibilities and from what I hear, they have some sort of a ventilation system? correct me if I'm wrong.

I dont think there's anything to worry about.

^^ yes this tower is supposed to withstand the possibility of another attack :) the twin towers hadn't a central core b/c at the time the port authority wanted to maximize office space, so they used strong steel around the towers to even out the weight. (keep in mind there were only two instead of six). When the towers fell, the jet fuel melted the outer columns thus the towers collapsed into themselves (Also keep in mind the core was made of ~sheerock~, and although they were designed to withstand the impact of a plane, they were not designed to deal with Jet Fuel). I guess people in the 70's thought that planes just flew by themselves? Ignorance is the worlds curse. In any event, The Freedom tower is designed todeal with all of these possibilities and from what I hear, they have some sort of a ventilation system? correct me if I'm wrong.

Sounds like this one would stand up pretty well in such an event then, it's what I assumed but I don't know enough about architecture to be sure, although I was pretty sure they had taken this into account when designing the new building. It would have been pretty ignorant not to have.

Yeh I read about the ventilation system, i'm pretty sure it was in the article i linked to on the discovery page website.

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soooo half of the WTC site can potentially be flooded this weekend. :ohno:

Weather models I have seen have been predicting up to a 15ft storm surge. The wind should not be a huge issue. However, NOAA reports say flooding could be expected up to Canal Street. Being, from Alabama, I have no idea where that is.

I bet this hurricane does end up causing delays on the site.

Since I'm from Europe I guess I'll have to wait for the documentary to air here :cry:

Btw, I wonder how the pools would look like if the WTC site would get flooded :dunno:

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Tower 1 looks so great in that picture (except for the flag).

What's with the different shades of orange on the WFC? Is it being painted?

I hope Tower 1 doesn't suffer from the hurricane.

Tower 1 looks so great in that picture (except for the flag).

What's with the different shades of orange on the WFC? Is it being painted?

I hope Tower 1 doesn't suffer from the hurricane.

I think they are applying a waterproof layer to the roofs...

Bloomberg mentioned: if needed, they would evacuate BPC and other low laying areas of the city. Meanwhile, jerseys mayor declared state of emegency and is preparing for the worst.

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/08/25/bloomberg-updates-city-on-hurricane-plans/?ref=nyregion

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I think this is an old picture and not taken on the 24th 'coz i don't see grass near the vents.

Weather models I have seen have been predicting up to a 15ft storm surge. The wind should not be a huge issue. However, NOAA reports say flooding could be expected up to Canal Street. Being, from Alabama, I have no idea where that is.

I bet this hurricane does end up causing delays on the site.

If in fact we do get flooding up to canal street, that will be a large area of downtown flooded. Let's hope they are wrong with the forecast

^^ yes this tower is supposed to withstand the possibility of another attack :) the twin towers hadn't a central core b/c at the time the port authority wanted to maximize office space, so they used strong steel around the towers to even out the weight. (keep in mind there were only two instead of six). When the towers fell, the jet fuel melted the outer columns thus the towers collapsed into themselves (Also keep in mind the core was made of ~sheerock~, and although they were designed to withstand the impact of a plane, they were not designed to deal with Jet Fuel). I guess people in the 70's thought that planes just flew by themselves? Ignorance is the worlds curse. In any event, The Freedom tower is designed todeal with all of these possibilities and from what I hear, they have some sort of a ventilation system? correct me if I'm wrong.
Yeah but if they used strong steel it should have survived the jet fuel. Jet fuel is about 2000 degrees, and strong high grade steel can withstand 4000 degrees. Maybe they took short cuts on the first WTC ?

there is a big difference between melting point and loss of structural integrity.

not to mention that WTC floors were made up largely of bar joists with some W shape headers mixed in. Bar joists are effectively useless against lateral forces.

ill be looking for the favco's to be freely weather vaning during the storm. should be interesting.

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I think this is an old picture and not taken on the 24th 'coz i don't see grass near the vents.

It's from a satellite so there's a short time before the images are published.

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So have they changed the design of the spire? In those pics you just posted its different?

^Yep, a while back.

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there is a big difference between melting point and loss of structural integrity.

not to mention that WTC floors were made up largely of bar joists with some W shape headers mixed in. Bar joists are effectively useless against lateral forces.

ok i see what you mean

Looks like there wont be any more construction down at the site for a few days, they're hoisting down all of the cranes

That's not great news for us, but if it means safer workers/equipment, then it's all for the best. I hope all the workers are safe and nothing gets damaged :)

Looks like there wont be any more construction down at the site for a few days, they're hoisting down all of the cranes

im sure they will tip the conventional cranes that are on the ground down, especially those with luffing configurations.

the tower cranes on 1WTC actually just made a jump up :lol:

http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/rising-rebuilding-ground-zero-rising-rebuilding-ground-zero.html

been couple of weeks. so we at 1000ft now? 80th?
diagram

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/6171/wtcaug26.jpg

5 minutes into the special and we've already seen some breath taking views of the future.

5 minutes into the special and we've already seen some breath taking views of the future.

Very fascinating stuff. It really gives you an idea of just how tough this tower is.

This building, is just so incredible. Its hard to truly express how beautiful it is. The only buzzkill is the slow work that is going into this structure. I know that it is supposed to make it a much higher quality building. On second though, it gives me the time to admire every part of its construction. :)

I think by the time Irene reaches NY it will only be a tropical storm. Or at least I hope so

It'll still be a Category 1 Hurricane, but unfortunately it's going to be a bit further east than expected, hitting NY hard. Expect 80 mph winds and heavy rainfall.
Might be a few days before work resumes.

^^

Well, I am keeping my fingers crossed NYC will safely ride this baby out - its a town with back bone. Am 100 per cent with you - I hope all NYC SSC members keeps 100 per cent safe.

hope no damage comes to the world trade site.

Man it has been a hell of a year for you guys, several blizzards, scortching heat waves, a bit of shaking from an earthquake.........and now this..........who pissed on someones cereal back there?:storm:

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After watching the special on Discovery, I can answer someone's question asked a while back when this image was posted. This is the firetruck that was destroyed on 9/11 from Ladder 3 being lowered into the underground memorial before the hole it is being lowered through is sealed off.

I was upset that we didn't get to hear from Larry Silverstein.

hurucan irene

The alert returns to New York. After the Tuesday quake caused panic in the city, the state of emergency now turned to the arrival of Hurricane Irene over the weekend and is ready to evacuate 270,000 people from coastal areas. "We expect the best, but we prepare for the worst," the mayor said yesterday, Michael Bloomberg.

The governor of New York, Andrew Cuomo, a state of emergency to coordinate forces before the arrival of Irene. So had hours before her colleagues in North Carolina and Virginia.

building is closed :ohno:

Looks like there wont be any more construction down at the site for a few days, they're hoisting down all of the cranes

It's probably going to be a big mess. The tower cranes are not rated for winds above 60mph and could rip from their moorings and come down. There's serious concern about a tidal/storm surge conjunction at landfall in NY harbor that would send a wall of water towards the WTC site, overloading the storm drains and flooding out the basement levels. High winds may also threaten the trees planted at the Memorial. Power will be shut off and drains are being cleared but this storm is beyond the capabilities of crews shoring up the site. They'll secure what they can but there just isn't time enough to cover all the bases.

The more of North Carolina land it passes over, the more it will become disrupted and weaken. Let's hope the eye doesn't clip right over Cape Hatteras, and move straight for Long Island because that is the most damaging outcome.

If the eye manages to stay a bit offshore after Cape Hatteras until crossing over Long Island, NYC is in huge trouble. That is the most dire track it could possibly take at this point. A track to either side of that one would be less catastrophic.

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sexy tower,excellent tower :banana:

very nice

^^ these renders make me miss the twins even less. I like it, how 123 washington street is dwarfed, allthough it is a big tower when seen irl. It also adds to the spiral arrangment of this complex.

I think this is an old picture and not taken on the 24th 'coz i don't see grass near the vents.
Sorry mate, it might be older. But if you click the link you'll see that the author says: 'This photo was taken on August 24, 2011' :dunno:

I usually add the date specified there because some people might want to compare progress later, or they may simply be curious to know when the pic was taken. But I can't actually know whether that date is right or not cause I don't live in New York, I live in Europe. So feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, you know better.

sexy tower,excellent tower :banana:

very nice

awesome renders the time lapse is the best!

[QUOTE]As for the tsunami, go watch Deep Impact. Nothing survives this side of the Appalachians.[QUOTE]

:lol:


^^^ guess THAT didnt work

Looks like NYC has a hell of a weekend comming. I hope all will be fine though I'd love to hear from you folks how it looked like. I never witnessed a huricane since I live in central Europe :storm:

Wow, and I predicted that this Hurricane could hit NYC before there was any official warning! (You can check my last post)

WTC site is in the NYC Evacuation zone

http://www.nyc.gov/html/oem/downloads/pdf/hurricane_map_english.pdf

1WTC is in ZONE A -
"Residents in Zone A face the highest risk of flooding
from a hurricane's storm surge. Zone A includes all
low-lying coastal areas and other areas that could
experience storm surge from ANY hurricane making
landfall close to New York City"

^^ I think everything will be just fine. :cheers:

According to the discovery show last night 1 wtc design was inspired by the twins and the Washington monument, i found that to be very interesting.

I guess works are going to get halted owing to the hurricane's coming over NY in the next few hours (seems bloody serious...:uh:), be carefull guys, rush to the shelters & may the WTC site remains intact...:storm:

this tower is very nice!

OT: any Irene related questions might be answered during bloombergs press conference which should begin very soon. Here is the link.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/om/html/live_stream.html

Bloomberg is making this sound really serious.. The police are going to patrol the streets with speakers on their cars making sure that nobody is outside.. :o

I love the CW:cheers:

I wonder how the hurricane will look like on the 1WTC webcam :storm:

http://oxblue.com/archive/487d07189e5fd2b7edce94fc0bcf4b68/800x600.jpg

I have walked by this tower multiple times this week after being back in New York after 9 years. She looks great. But personally I think that the architectural quality of the old towers designed by Yamasaki was quite a bit better. Still when all towers have been completed this will be a beautiful and good addition to lower Manhattan. Just my two cents. ;)

heres a pic of wtc on a local newspaper.

http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af147/charles54/scan0015.jpg

I guess works are going to get halted owing to the hurricane's coming over NY in the next few hours (seems bloody serious...:uh:), be carefull guys, rush to the shelters & may the WTC site remains intact...:storm:



next few hours? its coming sunday bud

They're taking the tower cranes down.

next few hours? its coming sunday bud

Well, I relied on an ignorant journalist apparently...sorry mate :).

They're taking the tower cranes down.

Really? Do you have a webcam or something that shows it? Wise decision, IMO. Heavy winds could bring down the cranes, and we don't need that kind of disaster. :storm:

^^ I just saw pics by Carlos on SSP. They are really dismantling them. This seems more and more like an Emmerich movie than reality. -.-

They took the boom off the west tower crane so that the other can weather vane freely in the wind.

Carlos took some pics you can find on SSP if you'd like.

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next few hours? its coming sunday bud

It's coming saturday :) check the hurricane warnings.

Ladies and Gentlemen; Please be safe tomorrow into monday. We are all bracing for a massive hurricane named irene. Please lock all your windows and have batteries, first aid kit, water, unperisable foods, and keep your most important documents near you just in case. We all should start to pray for the less fortunate in the even that unfolding as we speak

Stunning images, this complex is wearing their skins and also be lined with vegetation that park.
Really beautiful.

Good luck friend new york people, hopefully it's just a scare and be all right.
Many force from Uruguay!

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New York Buildings Face Storm Damage as Property Managers Plan for Irene
By David M. Levitt - Aug 26, 2011

Hurricane Irene may cause serious damage to some New York City buildings as it threatens to bring surging floodwaters and strong winds that may spur flying debris, property managers said as they prepared for the storm.

Irene could be “a once-in-a-lifetime event if it goes according to the forecast,” said Jim Rosenbluth, managing director for crisis management at real estate services firm Cushman & Wakefield Inc. Basements and lower levels of buildings close to the shore “would absolutely be at risk,” he said.

The storm, hurtling toward landfall in North Carolina tomorrow and the Northeast the following day, may pose the biggest threat to waterfront areas in lower Manhattan, said Frank Edwards, executive managing director for project management in the New York office of Colliers International. While the city’s tall buildings are designed to withstand high winds, the gusts may create a funneling effect that poses a danger to bystanders throughout the city, Rosenbluth said.

New York City today ordered the evacuation of low-lying areas, including Brooklyn’s Coney Island, lower Manhattan’s Battery Park City and parts of Staten Island. Landlords were urged to begin emergency preparations and the New York buildings commissioner ordered that work on all city construction sites be suspended at 2 p.m. tomorrow.

Stable Skyscrapers

Manhattan’s tallest buildings are constructed to hold up against the horizontal force of winds, and glass in the newest towers is much stronger than the typical household windows, said David Childs, the architect who designed Manhattan towers including 1 World Trade Center, Time Warner Center, Worldwide Plaza and several other Manhattan towers.

“Many tall buildings have a large base to stand on, and they’re anchored to the granite which forms the base of all of Manhattan,” he said in a telephone interview.

Skyscraper skin is thicker and tends to be installed in two or three layers, he said, and if it does break, it usually does so in pellets like an auto windshield. Though those pellets can be dangerous in hurricane-force winds, the latest building designs are typically tested in Florida, where people are experienced with strong storms, he said.

Winds from the storm may be especially dangerous in clusters of skyscrapers, Cushman’s Rosenbluth said.

Canyon Effect

“The narrow canyon effect in an area that’s basically vertically developed can create very unique wind patterns where the wind speeds can substantially exceed that which the storm has created -- essentially a channeling or funneling effect,” he said.

Cushman manages 1,127 commercial properties totaling 186.9 million square feet (17.4 million square meters) on the East Coast, according to Adam Leibowitz, an associate with Cushman’s corporate occupiers and investor services division.

Lower Manhattan is particularly prone to flooding if there is a storm surge that pushes through the Verrazano Narrows, said Colliers’s Edwards. That would cause flooding along the Brooklyn shores as well, he said.

At lower Manhattan’s World Trade Center site, where 1 World Trade Center is under construction and workers are racing to finish the Sept. 11 memorial plaza by the 10th anniversary of the attack, contractors were ordered to tie down loose debris, cover electrical equipment, store tools and secure netting. Crews also were preparing to use pumps and sandbags to control flooding, according to a statement by the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which owns the 16-acre (6.5-hectare) site.

Landlord Checklist

The New York Building Owners and Managers Association recommended in its checklist yesterday that landlords fasten or remove all loose material; secure roof-mounted equipment such as flashings, roof vents and cooling units; secure on-site cranes against high winds; and clean out all drains and catch basins. It also suggested they set up Twitter accounts and Facebook pages for emergency information.

New York’s emergency guidelines urge apartment residents to take shelter below the 10th floor of their buildings.

If the storm tracks closely to the west of the city, New York could suffer historic levels of damage at a Category 2 or higher, Rosenbluth said. That would bring winds of at least 96 miles (154 kilometers) per hour, according to the Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Scale.

[...]

They should if they aren't, finish this building on September 11 next
year...or the year after that

Stay safe everyone in the bitches path. Help your neighbours if they are unable to do so themselves and keep listening to the radio for warnings. Also stay safe 1WTC and GZ!

24 August

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Manhatten Skyline (http://www.flickr.com/photos/gru/6078796634/) por Don Gru (http://www.flickr.com/people/gru/), no Flickr

25 August

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The one world trade centre in making a photo collection #iphoneography #photography #WTC #NYC (http://www.flickr.com/photos/naveenkonduri/6079131521/) por naveen.konduri (http://www.flickr.com/people/naveenkonduri/), no Flickr

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Another video I made for the New World Trade Center. It includes new renders used from 'The Rebuilding of Ground Zero' on the Discovery Channel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyNf0rZ7-OA

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jersey city/lower manhattan; awaiting hurricane irene; 8/27/2011 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kevinskoepke/6084444849/) by kevin scott koepke photography (http://www.flickr.com/people/kevinskoepke/), on Flickr

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new york city; awaiting hurricane irene; 8/27/2011 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kevinskoepke/6084991224/) by kevin scott koepke photography (http://www.flickr.com/people/kevinskoepke/), on Flickr

Do not repost, reproduce, or otherwise copy these images. Thank you.

*to remove*

how come it is so lit up tonight? i don't recall seeing it that lit up on other nights. i thought with the hurricane they would be having the lights off in the tower and the tower shut down until it passes

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new york city; awaiting hurricane irene; 8/27/2011 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kevinskoepke/6084991224/) by kevin scott koepke photography (http://www.flickr.com/people/kevinskoepke/), on Flickr

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Those clouds really look awesome. That huricane will be one hell of a storm. I guess now it's the calm beform the storm in NYC :storm:

^^ I just saw pics by Carlos on SSP. They are really dismantling them. This seems more and more like an Emmerich movie than reality. -.-Yes, that looks a bit weird. I hope that "Irene" doesn't cause much damage, and that the beam will be in place and in use next week again. Here are some links to Carlos' pics on flickr: DSC_2311 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/6083829162/sizes/l/in/photostream/) - DSC_2322 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/6084081562/sizes/l/in/photostream/) - DSC_2323_copy (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/6083517069/sizes/l/in/photostream/) - DSC_2327 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/6083584167/sizes/l/in/photostream/) - DSC_2328 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/6084369766/sizes/l/in/photostream/).

Yes, that looks a bit weird. I hope that "Irene" doesn't cause much damage, and that the beam will be in place and in use next week again. Here are some links to Carlos' pics on flickr: DSC_2311 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/6083829162/sizes/l/in/photostream/) - DSC_2322 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/6084081562/sizes/l/in/photostream/) - DSC_2323_copy (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/6083517069/sizes/l/in/photostream/) - DSC_2327 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/6083584167/sizes/l/in/photostream/) - DSC_2328 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/6084369766/sizes/l/in/photostream/).

If you didn't asked him for permission to post, you better delete them as soon as possible..

^^ He didnt't repost pictures here, he just posted links. Big difference. ;-)

the only thing worse than hurricane winds is flooding i hope nothing happens to the pools

^^ Well, they'll be full of water but other than that, I don't think they could be damaged by it in any way :dunno:

At 11am the rain has taken hold of the city already, this is just minutes before...

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6189/6085919460_22c8b854a9_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/xurijoe/6085919460/)

dark clouds are looming ahead!
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^^ Thanks for the photos :cheers: It's fascinating to see such pictures to me since I'm a European guy and I never saw a hurricane :storm::cheers:

^^welcome. It'll be the first major hurricane hitting the city in more than 50 years since hurricane Donna!

I hope everyone makes it through the storm safely. What's the current height of WTC1?

301m IIRC.

= supertall :)

Best of luck with the weather overthere!

http://oxblue.com/archive/487d07189e5fd2b7edce94fc0bcf4b68/800x600.jpg

:sly:

I hope everyone makes it through the storm safely. What's the current height of WTC1?

302 meters or 991 feet :cheers:

http://i55.tinypic.com/wmbbyu.jpg

^^ Well, they'll be full of water but other than that, I don't think they could be damaged by it in any way :dunno:

The hurricane will bring about a large amount of salt water to the site, possibly rusting the steel used for the memorial.

^^ I dunno but could it get rusted after such a short exposure? :dunno:

Well that's what someone said over on the Memorial thread. I don't know how rusted it would get, but it could start something. And could you please not use that little shrugging emoticon in every single post it make? It's incredibly annoying.

Good thing I'm not in NYC right now.

I wouldn't worry about rust. Either they've used stainless steel or steel covered with something to prevent oxidation, or they've left the steel unprotected, in which case they want it to rust. Unprotected steel will develop a layer of rust naturally in ordinary rainwater, let alone saltwater.

Rust isn't a big deal. Once a layer of rust forms, it protects the metal underneath.

Lol that crane standing straight up looks like a spire.

I hope it doesn't collapse.

New York has a maritime climate and is very close to large expanses of sea-water. The brine will get transported in fine droplet form by the ordinary wind. Therefore, any exposed steel is likely to rust - hurricane or no hurricane - and I guess that the designers of 1WTC and the memorial will be well aware of that. I would expect though that after spray caused by hurricane force winds, all surfaces, including glazing, will be covered in a thickness of salt which will keep the window cleaners busy for a few days.

I'm going to sound a complete idiot but who names these hurricanes? :lol:

I dunno lol, but they name the hurricanes after the time of the hurricane season it arises from. Like Katrina came around the early middle of the 05 Hurricane season. It looks like Irene is coming near the late-beginning of this hurricane season :p

ROFL, is there a reason why they allways have women's names? :madwife:

Cuz when they come, they're wet and wild. But when they leave, they take your house and car.

you can buy the names ( at least in Germany ): women the lows, men the highs

I'm going to sound a complete idiot but who names these hurricanes? :lol:

The National Hurricane Center

ROFL, is there a reason why they allways have women's names? :madwife:

They aren't always female

Cuz when they come, they're wet and wild. But when they leave, they take your house and car.

Your a damn fool lol

They used to be all female but not anymore.
They name them more or less randomly, but they are asigned within years of anticipation, by now, the names of the hurricanes of the years to come are all already choosen. The names choosen go from A to Z, so the first hurricane of the season is named with an "A" name (ej. Anna) the second with a "B" name an so on.
Those names repeat after some years, unless a hurricane is very destructive, in that case they retire that name, as the baseball teams do with the numbers of outstanding players.

They used to be all female but not anymore.
They name them more or less randomly, but they are asigned within years of anticipation, by now, the names of the hurricanes of the years to come are all already choosen. The names choosen go from A to Z, so the first hurricane of the season is named with an "A" name (ej. Anna) the second with a "B" name an so on.
Those names repeat after some years, unless a hurricane is very destructive, in that case they retire that name, as the baseball teams do with the numbers of outstanding players.

Thanks for the information. But what if there are more then 26 hurricanes that season? Do they restart with A? Or do they keep doing Z names?

Thanks for the information. But what if there are more then 26 hurricanes that season? Do they restart with A? Or do they keep doing Z names?

It's extremely rare and only happened in 2005, they then started going Alpha, Beta...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_tropical_cyclone_names#North_Atlantic

Back to topic.

An stormy evening glimpse of 1 WTC from across the Hudson River.

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Guys, please visit the NYC HURRICANE (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1435740) thread to follow the discussion there. ;)
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WTC One (http://www.flickr.com/photos/qwik3r/6086488053/) by robert.gordon (http://www.flickr.com/people/qwik3r/), on Flickr

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WTC, Aug. 2011 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/gcomte06/6086639642/) by G*C* (http://www.flickr.com/people/gcomte06/), on Flickr

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Sailing to the sunset (http://www.flickr.com/photos/53409728@N02/6085980153/) by RpM_215 (http://www.flickr.com/people/53409728@N02/), on Flickr

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1wtc hunkering down (http://www.flickr.com/photos/9451351@N03/6085545899/) by Benjamin Rosamond (http://www.flickr.com/people/9451351@N03/), on Flickr

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WORLD TRADE CENTER | UP (http://www.flickr.com/photos/roccocell/6083960617/) by roccocell (http://www.flickr.com/people/roccocell/), on Flickr

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WORLD TRADE CENTER | QUIET (http://www.flickr.com/photos/roccocell/6083960441/) by roccocell (http://www.flickr.com/people/roccocell/), on Flickr

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DSC03014-World Trade Center NY (http://www.flickr.com/photos/silvaflickcom/6080626501/) by newdasilva@flickr.com (http://www.flickr.com/people/silvaflickcom/), on Flickr

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6204/6083987852_b0e8b447c5_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/newyorkdailyhoto/6083987852/)
First, Last, and Only Patient_1 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/newyorkdailyhoto/6083987852/) by NewYorkDailyPhoto.com (http://www.flickr.com/people/newyorkdailyhoto/), on Flickr

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6063/6086081791_862a9d2403_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wotba/6086081791/)
Hudson River Park, looking downtown (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wotba/6086081791/) by Walking Off the Big Apple (http://www.flickr.com/people/wotba/), on Flickr

Wonderful NY and this Buildings of the WTC will be impressive, really very necessary for the city.

A few hours before the big stuff hits.

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/5545/1wtc82711.jpg

Thanks for the great picture Ken. Hopefully it is all still there unscathed tomorrow when the storm has passed.