What would happen if the Memorial get flooded? WOuld it be ready for the 10th anniversary?

What would happen if the Memorial get flooded? WOuld it be ready for the 10th anniversary?

Good question. But that thread is over here:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=83270462#post83270462

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Chip Somodevilla, Getty Images via The Gazette article (http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Yorkers+brace+possible+effects+Hurricane+Irene/5318195/story.html)

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/5318263.bin?size=620x400

yesterday night...

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That mobile crane must be 40 stories tall!

What worries me most is the cranes at the top. The wind will be about 20% to 30% stronger than at the ground level.

From National Hurricane Center:

MORE SO THAN WITH MOST STORMS...THE WINDS WITH IRENE INCREASE
SHARPLY WITH HEIGHT ABOVE THE SURFACE. AS IRENE MOVES THROUGH
AREAS WITH HIGH-RISE STRUCTURES...THESE BUILDINGS COULD EXPERIENCE
WINDS SIGNIFICANTLY STRONGER THAN THE SURFACE WINDS. WINDS AT THE
30-STORY LEVEL WILL LIKELY BE 20 PERCENT HIGHER THAN AT THE
SURFACE...AND WINDS 80-100 STORIES UP COULD BE ABOUT 30 PERCENT
HIGHER THAN AT THE SURFACE.

I hope there will not be too much damage and that the construction will resume quickly after the storm.

I just heard that glass windows will start to break out at around 85 mph winds. That means at windspeeds of 70 mph at ground level, windows could start to break 80 stories up.

^^ wow that would be bad. But I'm sure the engineers thought of something.

Breathtaking images from then and now of lower Manhattan reveal how much New York has changed since 9/11 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2030189/Breathtaking-images-Manhattan-reveal-New-York-changed-9-11.html)

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An stormy evening glimpse of 1 WTC from across the Hudson River.

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Gawd I love the sound of rain falling!:cheers:

Hold on tight Freedom tower!

Gawd I love the sound of rain falling!:cheers:

Hold on tight Freedom tower!

You called it Freedom Tower, too! ^^

Hopefully it doesn't get hit too hard...

Those pictures with the brown clouds are amazing :cheers:

^^Agreed, the wtc has definitely brought a new view of not just lm but the entire city IMO

As an Englishman in New York, it was nice to experience a typical British Summers days weather today. Goodbye Irene. You were a pain in the ass

^^ LMAO at your avatar! :lol:

As an Englishman in New York, it was nice to experience a typical British Summers days weather today. Goodbye Irene. You were a pain in the ass

So true ... although Britain has a better summer than the Dutch.

August 27

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^^ Cool pick. Thank god there were no floodings or destroyed building in NYC....But 15 dead people because Irene is very sad :( Sorry for quite off topic

:(

It was lit so bright last night. Or maybe it was just so dark the light stood out more? Lol. Anyways, every single shot on tv that could see the lower manhattan skyline had WTC standing out so brightly.

It was lit so bright last night. Or maybe it was just so dark the light stood out more? Lol. Anyways, every single shot on tv that could see the lower manhattan skyline had WTC standing out so brightly.

Yeh, probably because they knew NYC would be getting a lot of media attention from around the world and they wanted to highlight the construction of the new tower.

Yeh, probably because they knew NYC would be getting a lot of media attention from around the world and they wanted to highlight the construction of the new tower.

You might just be right. That's a load of free publicity and now a whole bunch of potential tenants could be interested in the WTC :)

^^ I like your optimism :lol:

Bear in mind that as one of the world's three great financial capital's NY has a unique demand for office space that few cities can replicate.

it's look so big.

Well, it is.

Sorry if repost..

http://i.imgur.com/xyA9x.jpg\

I don't think that's a repost. And if it is, it's a very worthy repost :)

floor 104 ???? :bash: fail!!!!! more floor 110 ... for original World Trade Center FLOOR 110

Today

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Thanks Effer, that's a really nice information sheet. It contains many things I didn't know previously :cheers:

Observation deck at 1362 ft? Is that the roof? SSP says the roof is 1368 ft which is only 8 feet higher

Today

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^^ Nice.

Observation deck at 1362 ft? Is that the roof? SSP says the roof is 1368 ft which is only 8 feet higher

From what I know 1368 feet is the roof of the deck and 1362 feet is its floor, so the roof indeed is at 1368 feet :cheers:

Post #25777 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=83288362&postcount=25777) - nice one :okay:

Thanks Effer for posting those screenshots, but that pdf file has wrong data (due to the reason that it's based on the previous design):

floor 104 ???? :bash: fail!!!!! more floor 110 ... for original World Trade Center FLOOR 110

The last real floor is 104th, 105th is the roof, then we have the Cooling Tower's catwalks (106), the Communications Ring (107-109) and a platform inside the spire numbered as 110th. This graphic (http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/1976/floors.jpg) shows the real numbering.

Observation deck at 1362 ft? Is that the roof? SSP says the roof is 1368 ft which is only 8 feet higher
The roof is the 105th fl, El. 1,645' 10", or 1334' 8" from finished lobby floor. The Observation Deck will ocupy floors 100 & 101, El. 1551' 2" and 1565' 4", or 1241' 8" and 1255' 10" above the lobby floor. SSP is wrong. :okay:

About that data on the last page:

It says, of the pools, each will hold enough water to fill 50 Empire State Buildings to capacity, does that just mean fill the pipes of the Empire State Building? I can't picture that it meant filling all the empty spaces in the building, wouldn't the pools need to be crazy deep then?

Maybe they'll raise the cocoon tomorrow. :okay:

By GreenwichBoy, Aug 28th.

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=13902&d=1314574547

Thanks Effer for posting those screenshots, but that pdf file has wrong data (due to the reason that it's based on the previous design):



The last real floor is 104th, 105th is the roof, then we have the Cooling Tower's catwalks (106), the Communications Ring (107-109) and a platform inside the spire numbered as 110th. This graphic (http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/1976/floors.jpg) shows the real numbering.


The roof is the 105th fl, El. 1,645' 10", or 1334' 8" from finished lobby floor. The Observation Deck will ocupy floors 100 & 101, El. 1551' 2" and 1565' 4", or 1241' 8" and 1255' 10" above the lobby floor. SSP is wrong. :okay:

Now I'm puzzled. From where was the 1645 feet measure measured? :dunno:

Hooray! It appears there's no real damage from Irene.
Aside from some down trees and mild flooding I don't see any noticeable damage. And the wtc site looks fine.

^^ Best news of the week :cheer:

Is there any idea or diagram, how fast they will put couple of upper mechanical floors? I´m sure, they complete next 8 office floors until the end of October, but I don´t know, how tall will be next beams at each floor.

So my opinion is: Jan/ Feb 2012: Roof is T/O
March/ Apr 2012: Spire is T/O
March/ Apr 2012: 4 wtc is T/O

About that data on the last page:

It says, of the pools, each will hold enough water to fill 50 Empire State Buildings to capacity, does that just mean fill the pipes of the Empire State Building? I can't picture that it meant filling all the empty spaces in the building, wouldn't the pools need to be crazy deep then?

I thought the same. As you said, it can't be filling the volume of the Empire State Building 50 times, since the footprint of the ESB is roughly similar to the area of the pools, a rough calculation tells you that they have to be like 350 meters x 50= 17500 meters deep! which obviusly they're not. Anyway, that fact is odd.

I have an unbelievably scary snapshot from the wtc live cam on panynj.com
I'd love to show it but I don't know how

^^ Upload it to tinypic.com and then put the last of the links (direct link) into the insert image window which's icon is located in the post writing options :cheers:

Btw Milllos, it'll take them far longer to build the spire because they said that it'll take them 6 months to assemble it and they can only begin it's assembly once the building is topped out :dunno::cheers:

Now I'm puzzled. From where was the 1645 feet measure measured? :dunno:

All PANYNJ projects use Battery Park point as 0 elevation, which is 300' below mean high tide. So if the lobby is at El. 311' 2", it is only 11' 2" above the mean high tide.
Check the diagrams I have been doing since last year, I hope I can answer your questions without typing. ;)

^^ Thanks for the info :cheers:

It's kinda weird to measure a building from some distant part of LM, LOL :lol::dunno:

It's so they don't have to deal with negative numbers on projects such as underwater tunnels, the WTC bathtub, etc.

So since there appears to be very minimal damage from Irene, when can we expect more construction? :)

^^ I heard they were supposed to restart tomorrow. :banana:

That's great news :)

Today

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Anyone know why one of the cranes had it's boom removed.. Wasn't for the storm was it?

Anyone know why one of the cranes had it's boom removed.. Wasn't for the storm was it?

Yea it was a safety precaution for the storm.

http://photo.lejdd.fr/media/images/international/usa/new-york/5923133-1-fre-FR/New-York.jpg

Picture extracted from a french news website.

http://www.lejdd.fr/International/USA/Actualite/Ouragan-Irene-Plus-de-10.000-vols-annules-a-New-York-380021/

^^ Upload it to tinypic.com and then put the last of the links (direct link) into the insert image window which's icon is located in the post writing options :cheers:

Btw Milllos, it'll take them far longer to build the spire because they said that it'll take them 6 months to assemble it and they can only begin it's assembly once the building is topped out :dunno::cheers:

Thank you I'll try

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^^ Is there a banner on Tower 1??

I found that picture taken at sunrise quite interesting. I could see a little bit of is the south manhattan skyline.

great pics

Does anybody know when they will re-air that Discovery Channel special about the new WTC? I missed it!

^^ Is there a banner on Tower 1??

Its a copyright mark

heyy it is a continuing miniseries...the next three episodes air sept 1st, at 8pm on discovery. I'm sure, however if you check your guide they will repeat this weeks episodes at night, at least thats what I've been seeing. good luck finding it! (keep in mind, the program is three segments or hours long and they are commercial free, so have time to spare)

I hope the Czech discovery channel will air it too. I'd love to see this miniseries :banana2:

omg it's getting higher very fast ! amazing

I hope the Czech discovery channel will air it too. I'd love to see this miniseries :banana2:

Its a great little series, really gives props to how hard those workers are working.

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:drool: I love how Lower Manhattan looks like a man-made mountain range from New Jersey (Or Staten Island, is that?). Sends me a sensual shiver down my spine. :cheers:

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:drool: I love how Lower Manhattan looks like a man-made mountain range from New Jersey (Or Staten Island, is that?). Sends me a sensual shiver down my spine. :cheers:

That view is from jersey city arguably the best view around

Extremely nice view from that spot. It will be awesome when the whole complex is done.

BTW, what's the tall building on the far left (1st from the left side of the picture)?

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BTW, what's the tall building on the far left (1st from the left side of the picture)?
That's Beekman Place (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=404222) by Gehry.


(How could someone possibly miss this project here? :dunno:)

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Thanks Otie for this update :)! It is great to see some unusual pictures from inside the building.

August 29

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That view is from jersey city arguably the best view around

I agree, the view from Jersey City is the best around. However, that view is from Hoboken.

http://photo.lejdd.fr/media/images/international/usa/new-york/5923133-1-fre-FR/New-York.jpg

:drool: I love how Lower Manhattan looks like a man-made mountain range from New Jersey (Or Staten Island, is that?). Sends me a sensual shiver down my spine. :cheers:

And if you love this aspect of LM, you're gonna love the new WTC cause unlike the old WTC, the new WTC is built in a rising mountain style that works perfectly with it's surroundings (rising spiral effect of the towers) :cheers:

If you take a quick look from far away the city does look like a big blue mountain.

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It's the first Time we see this view of Manhattan since before 9/11 !!! It's simply, the best view of the island :cheers::cheers:

Otie, can you tell with what lens was this photo taken?

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I LOVE the aerial views of these towers. I think they really show more of how big they are in comparison to anywhere else :)

Otie, can you tell with what lens was this photo taken?


Check the photo's Exif data (http://www.flickr.com/photos/nyng/6093964181/meta/in/photostream/) :okay:

The New York Times: Ground Zero Now - Interactive Feature (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/08/30/us/ground-zero.html?scp=3&sq=world%20trade%20center%20transportation%20hub&st=cse)

That was an excellent video giving information on what is being built.

But the end sure is depressing - 2020 before the site is all complete. That is 18 years after the attack and just too long. We won WWII in 4 years and got to the moon in under 10. This is a great complex but I just wish they could have worked faster.

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These pictures are awesome but can someone please explain what we are looking at. My guess is that we are looking at the structural steel way up towards the top of the building and what we see down below in the middle is where the core is being constructed and it is five or 6 floors below where the structural steel is. Is that a correct guess.

I still don't know how they construct the core AFTER they put all the surrounding steel up. Also, I still don't know how they get concrete up so high. And finally if that is the core why don't I see rebar in those pictures?

Oops, sorry for one embarrassing mistake - now that I look closer I think I see rebar.

Anyone know how tall the building currently is in feet or meters? I'm assuming that it's at 300 meters right now or more.

^^ 302 meters or 991 feet :cheers:

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These pictures are awesome but can someone please explain what we are looking at. My guess is that we are looking at the structural steel way up towards the top of the building and what we see down below in the middle is where the core is being constructed and it is five or 6 floors below where the structural steel is. Is that a correct guess.

I still don't know how they construct the core AFTER they put all the surrounding steel up. Also, I still don't know how they get concrete up so high. And finally if that is the core why don't I see rebar in those pictures?

Oops, sorry for one embarrassing mistake - now that I look closer I think I see rebar.

Your guess is correct..

About the core..After surrounding steel they make walls of steel rebars..After that, they adjust concrete forms around the steel and walls made of rebars..I call them walls because those rebars make thick steel net which looks like it could be a wall..Anyway, after concrete forms are in position they pour concrete in them..Concrete is being pumped with the pumps..You can see them on the pic..Those green and red things are concrete pumps..And that's it..After concrete is dry, they simply move on the next floors..

:cheers:

That view is from jersey city arguably the best view around

That view is actually from Hoboken (Pier A). Personally, I think the best view is from exchange place in Jersey City.

I hope when i go back to NYC the whole complex is completed :) Love to see the progress!!! :banana:

Thanks Dino!!

But a follow question. It looks like the re-bar is on the side. So what goes exactly where the concrete pumps are? ie, what goes in the middle? Is is basically a solid concrete mass with stairwells in it? It looks like those pumps or on a solid concrete floor.

Also, how do they raise things for the core work? I don't see cranes there to pull things up.

Thanks Dino!!

But a follow question. It looks like the re-bar is on the side. So what goes exactly where the concrete pumps are? ie, what goes in the middle? Is is basically a solid concrete mass with stairwells in it? It looks like those pumps or on a solid concrete floor.

Also, how do they raise things for the core work? I don't see cranes there to pull things up.

In the middle is empty space for elevators..The core is like a vertical tunnel..You have thick concrete walls around the empty space where lift cabins run up and down..Stairwell is also in it but separated form elevators with a wall..Those pumps are placed on temporary wooden floor..It's also for workers to easily access to rebars and stuff..

And how they lift those things is mystery to me..I've seen how things work with cranes, but never what they do with the core forms..But my guess would be that they have installed hydraulic arms somewhere in there..In fact, I'm glad you asked this, I'm gonna try to research..:cheers:

Edit:

This is the system:

http://enr.construction.com/features/_gallery/050912/Images/050912-39a.jpg
http://enr.construction.com/features/_gallery/050912/050912-5.asp

It's self climbing and fast so they don't lag too much behind the steel..
I'll research for more details..

I also found this:

http://enr.construction.com/features/_gallery/050912/Images/050912-39b.jpg
http://enr.construction.com/features/_gallery/050912/050912-6.asp

Core in Core. Emergency access core within Freedom Tower’s main core will provide dedicated and protected elevators for firefighters, and more. (Image courtesy of Skidore Owings and Merrill LLP)

how many floor to the top?

how many floor to the top?

About twenty-five.

25 floors will rise so fast, im pretty excited for this to top out.

Steel beams are coming in on the north and south walls of the roof. :cheers:

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World Trade Center Fun Facts: Downtown’s Tallest Structure and a Whole Lot of Cranes

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The Observer has heard some surprising ground zero factoids in the past couple days in some unsuspecting places.

The first came during the preparations for Hurricane Irene, when Mayor Bloomberg revealed that the World Trade Center was home to 13 of the 24 tower cranes in the city. That’s more than half, which makes sense, given the enormity of the task, but also underscores the importance of the site to the city’s construction industry.

Which was the point of yesterday’s New York City Building Congress forum where the second detail came up. Defiant Port Authority executive director Chris Ward mentioned that 1 World Trade Center is now the tallest building downtown. “At 1 World Trade Center, we are now at the 80th floor,” he said. “One World Trade Center is now the tallest building in Lower Manhattan at more than 960 feet above street level, surpassing 40 Wall Street. Floor slabs for 1 World Trade Center are at the 71st floor and the glass curtain wall is up to the 52nd floor.”

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This tower is fu**ing awesome :shocked:

Thanks for the info Dino!! Very interesting.

That view is from jersey city arguably the best view around

Agreed - best views of the city are from the NJ side. Best I found is from Weehawken....on Boulevard East

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:drool: I love how Lower Manhattan looks like a man-made mountain range from New Jersey (Or Staten Island, is that?). Sends me a sensual shiver down my spine. :cheers:

actually its from Frank Sinatra Park in Hoboken - just north of Jersey City.

It looks so amazing lit up at night!

Taken two minutes ago from my window:

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I live on the Jersey City waterfront, I'll try to post more from now on

It looks really good, the glass is already much higher than the last time I was in NY.

Brazilian News Sources !

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Just watched a really breath taking and heart braking documentary on an English channel called ITV, about the events that took place. At the end it had some facts, one of the facts was 'one world trade centre' is currently under construction on ground zero and is 400ft taller then previous WTC, it is due for completion 2013.

Surely the fact is not true?

Otie, can you tell with what lens was this photo taken?


Seems like the 14-24mm by Nikon, a very nice but expensive lens. The diameter of the lens is so wide that there are no filters for this lens.

Just watched a really breath taking and heart braking documentary on an English channel called ITV, about the events that took place. At the end it had some facts, one of the facts was 'one world trade centre' is currently under construction on ground zero and is 400ft taller then previous WTC, it is due for completion 2013.

Surely the fact is not true?

No, it is only 49 feet taller. :)

Post #25855: Nice Picture, but do you have an English version?

It looks so amazing lit up at night!

It won't look like that after it's finished. It's only that bright because of the construction lights.

It can't be worse than Goldman Sachs anyway..

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Some new stuff..
Worth reading..

http://archrecord.construction.com/projects/portfolio/2011/09/One-World-Trade-Center.asp

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On any given day, forming of the core lags behind erection of the surrounding steel moment frame by about 10 stories.

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One WTC's core will enclose two egress stairs that lead to a transfer floor just above the lobby and four exits at grade.

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The interior of the lobby behind glazed entry portals will be sheltered with concrete walls more than 2 feet thick and slotted to allow daylight to penetrate.

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You're better than me researching, buddy!
Now let's finish the fucking model!!!!!

The Iron Workers Of 1 WTC: Photo Slideshow (http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2011/09/04/us/sept-11-reckoning/04mag-ironworkers.html?ref=sept-11-reckoning)





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Great stuff Dino. Thanks for hunting it down and sharing.

BTW, that 3 dimensional egress diagram makes the amount of office space on upper floors look REALY small.

Nice stuff, thnks for sharing.

Great to know that daylight will make it into the lobby, a lot of us were scared that it would just be a dark concrete bunker.

Taken two minutes ago from my window:

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I live on the Jersey City waterfront, I'll try to post more from now on

Great vantage point. Can your camera zoom closer to the top?

^^splendid angle

You're better than me researching, buddy!
Now let's finish the fucking model!!!!!

That spire diagram is a gold mine..I was happy when I saw it like a kid on Christmas..:lol:

Great to know that daylight will make it into the lobby, a lot of us were scared that it would just be a dark concrete bunker.

I'm still afraid it will..There's no way that a couple of those stripes in the blast wall lighten up the lobby that much..I think they'll need light turned on in there all day..White walls will help but not that much as it's shown on the render..

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Core in Core. Emergency access core within Freedom Tower’s main core will provide dedicated and protected elevators for firefighters, and more. (Image courtesy of Skidore Owings and Merrill LLP)


Pretty costly. Any idea up to how many psi's are the blast doors graded?

maybe the pit is for those proposing 1WTC as a twin set! ^_^
That was the past, that's what we are commemorating (excuse my English, is that correct?)
This is the present... I just love this project and so glad it's finally coming up! Can't wait to come to NY and visit it!!!!
Will there be an observation deck somewhere?

nice info dinovabec!

Will they make the Observation deck on "communication ring axonometric"?
If they do that them will make top observation on lower manhattan

Will they make the Observation deck on "communication ring axonometric"?
If they do that them will make top observation on lower manhattan

No outdoor observation deck..Up there will be only catwalks for workers and building mainstance unit..

I post some photos.... they are 3 months old, but very nice.... hope you will like it... enjoy!!


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This building isn't actually going to be 1,776' tall.
Main Lobby is at Elv. 311'2
North Entrance is at 307'10"
Beacon is at 2087'2, 1776' above main lobby floor, but 1779'4 above north entrance.
PLUS, if you look at the top of the diagram, there's an 8' section above the beacon, making it 1787'4" tall. (544.92m)

1787 is actually a much better number, when you think about it. 1776 was when we declared independence from a country that's now an ally. How the hell is that really relevant to this building? 1787, on the other hand, was the year the US Constitution was written. A living, active document, and is therefore much more relevant.

Fab design and fab building. In 1999 I had the privilege of going up Tower 2 of the Twin Towers to the observation deck. I can never remember for sure if that was Tower 1 or 2 but I think it was Tower 2 the one open to the public.

hi hull ,i to watched that documentry still quite sad to see this ,but to your quote i think they ment that the top of the antenna will be 400 foot taller than the roof of the old towers ,they are the only numbers that equal correctly. didnt realise 200 jumped to their ends ,god bless them all .

Hello guys!

While in the metro (french Tube) this morning, I read an article coming from a free daily paper saying this:

11 September

A replica of the Twin Towers

The association The French will never forget (TFWNF) will commemorate the 9/11 bombings by edifying a replica of the Twin Towers on the Droits de l'Homme square in Paris' 16th arrondissement. The first tower will be covered in names of the victims and the second one will display the support messages received worldwide. A laser lighting scheme coming from both towers are to illuminate the Eiffel Tower. According to some diplomat, quoted by Reuters, it will actually be 'the most important solidarity event in the world'.

I'll try to take some pictures...:)

Source : "20 minutes"

STR, if that is all true.. very interesting and I completely agree with you!

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September 2nd..

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Hello guys!

While in the metro (french Tube) this morning, I read an article coming from a free daily paper saying this:



I'll try to take some pictures...:)

Source : "20 minutes"

That's great. Can't wait to see how it turns out.

^^ Me as well Hia-Leah JDM :).

To give you an idea, here's a couple of drawings which they released:

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The Twin Towers will be 25 meters tall. To open the ceremony, 70 kids will bring the biggest US & French flags in the World (designed especially on that occasion). There will be a free gig too...

For those understanding french a bit, here's an article ----> http://www.lecourrierdelarchitecte.com/article_2110

I'm looking forward to it :).

That commemoration in France looks awesome, and as Americans we are very grateful for it. If anyone can get pictures of it we would be very happy to see them.

Dino, thanks for the video. Very nice. I, like many, have been very annoyed at how long this rebuild has taken. But once things get built we tend to forget about that very quickly and just enjoy it. I think that will be the case with the WTC.

Me and other Americans appreciate you, the people of France, reflecting on and remembering the tragedy that occured on 9/11. The US and France disagree on many issues, but this commemoration shows that there is still an underlying connection between the two countries.

I really love the French memorial :) :)

Hi all.

This building isn't actually going to be 1,776' tall.
Main Lobby is at Elv. 311'2
North Entrance is at 307'10"
Beacon is at 2087'2, 1776' above main lobby floor, but 1779'4 above north entrance.
PLUS, if you look at the top of the diagram, there's an 8' section above the beacon, making it 1787'4" tall. (544.92m)

1787 is actually a much better number, when you think about it. 1776 was when we declared independence from a country that's now an ally. How the hell is that really relevant to this building? 1787, on the other hand, was the year the US Constitution was written. A living, active document, and is therefore much more relevant.

Hi STR.

Are those elevations above the NY city municipal datum ?
If the North entrance is a significant, open air, pedestrian entrance then you are probably correct in assuming that floor will be the starting point for the 3 official CTBUH measures.
Perhaps the 8 foot piece is to be considered removable. If so then the 1787 would be the height to pinnacle and the 1779 the height to arch. top.

Great info STR.

:cheers:
Ray.

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:bow: :master: cladding is superb, love that glazing as well...

hi hull ,i to watched that documentry still quite sad to see this ,but to your quote i think they ment that the top of the antenna will be 400 foot taller than the roof of the old towers ,they are the only numbers that equal correctly. didnt realise 200 jumped to their ends ,god bless them all .

Now how to built it!
I feel very good! See here ah! http://tinyurl.com/4xzkogy

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A bit ironic that it says the French will never forget, because it seems they've already forgotten what the Twin Towers even looked like.

A bit ironic that it says the French will never forget, because it seems they've already forgotten what the Twin Towers even looked like.
theres no need to be an ass hole.

I find it really cool that they're doing that. So maybe they didn't get the Twins exactly right, but it's a really nice way of showing respect. It's better then doing nothing, after all ;P

theres no need to be an ass hole.

Just stating a fact, which I have every right to do. If you have a problem with that, too bad.

Just stating a fact, which I have every right to do. If you have a problem with that, too bad.
i hope people take the way you act as an example of how not to act on these forums. it seems that the vast majority of the times you post something, its nothing but completely unproductive whining or an attempt at doing nothing but bothering other people.

i hope people take the way you act as an example of how not to act on these forums. it seems that the vast majority of the times you post something, its nothing but completely unproductive whining or an attempt at doing nothing but bothering other people.

Why don't you PM me and show me all the other posts that I supposedly whine and bother people? I'd love to see them. You do apparently keep track of all my posts like a creepy stalker, no? So this should be an easy task for you. I'll be waitin' for the PM!

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Interesting pictures I took from the site of Discovery.

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World Trade Center in the future :)

Twin Towers still stand on film - CNN (http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2011/09/01/pkg.moos.twin.towers.cnn?hpt=hp_bn1)

Beautiful, rencharles!

Anyone know why Childs was "inspired" by the Washington Monument when designing Freedom Tower? I hate thinking about this building being an obelisk. It doesn't look like one...

If you look at your avatar. With the guide wires going up the spire, it kind of does look like a obelisk.

hi hull ,i to watched that documentry still quite sad to see this ,but to your quote i think they ment that the top of the antenna will be 400 foot taller than the roof of the old towers ,they are the only numbers that equal correctly. didnt realise 200 jumped to their ends ,god bless them all .

Indeed, the image of hundreds throwing themselves out of the buildings and the sound of it is a image that makes me rather upset. God bless all innocent who died in this disgusting attack.

Apparently one firefighter was killed when a person who jumped from the building landed on him. And finally those who watched the documentary the bit where the firefighters described how they had to run over bodies to get there was also really upsetting.

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This is really nice!! Makes me all fuzzy and warm inside to see the progress...

I certainly hope to visit the sky deck og WTC1 some day when it's finished.

A bit ironic that it says the French will never forget, because it seems they've already forgotten what the Twin Towers even looked like.

http://fr.ambafrance-us.org/local/cache-vignettes/L620xH413/french-will-never-forget-62-0fe22.jpg

I don't get you patrick...what's wrong about this replica? What's missing, the antennas? Let me remind you that the aim of that commemoration isn't to display a replica as faithfull/tall as the original towers! If you look at the drawings closely, you'll see (perhaps) that the Twin Towers form a giant '11' figure, admit that with the antennas, it would have ruined that effect...

Otherwise, just know that the 'Frogs' are far from being 'ignorant', think twice in the future before 'criticizing' for free. A word to the wise...

I'll try my best to go to the Trocadéro so I can take a few pics, but there will certainly be loads of journalists on the spot as well, so I guess you guys will easily find pics/videos on the internet, It will be impossible to miss it I think ;).

http://thefrenchwillneverforget911.com/ (http://thefrenchwillneverforget911.com/)

Dinovabec, the video you posted is wicked :).

PS: in 2007, 2500 people had already formed a human chain on Omaha Beach in Normandy, one of the 5 beaches of the american 'Débarquement' on 6 June 1944 during WWII.

http://www.fumed.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/france-will-never-forget.jpg
You can see in the background the US Cemetery where thousands of brave soldiers have been resting...Those 4 words say it all.

Sorry, let's get back to 1WTC now.

Guys, the French commemoration is pretty interesting, but this thread isn't the appropiate for that, go to the National September 11 Memorial & Museum (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1144445&page=90) :okay:

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Wow, watching that video just brought to my mind how far they've really come since that pile of rubble on 9/12/01. :cheers:

The memorial area is amazing it's like a green paradise! It's seems to have the perfect atmosphere for those who will be remembering their family and friends. This is a beautiful memorial, and is what all innocent who died in this cruel attack deserve. God bless them all

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Otie, it isn't supposed to look like (or be) an obelisk, right?

From some angles it is supposed to resemble the Washington Monument.

^^

That's probably meant to go with the whole "freedom tower" theme, isn't it? I must say I'm glad they aren't officially calling it that any more, it all seemed so silly.

Still feels weird not seeing the Twin Towers which dominated the skyline.

Twin Towers still stand on film - CNN (http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2011/09/01/pkg.moos.twin.towers.cnn?hpt=hp_bn1)

I don't want to drag this thread off topic, as 1 WTC really is coming along well and will look good come its completion, but this video proves that it's never going to have the same appeal or iconic status in the skyline the twins did. Looking at those clips, 1 WTC is actually a pretty pale shadow of what was there.

I don't want to drag this thread off topic, as 1 WTC really is coming along well and will look good come its completion, but this video proves that it's never going to have the same appeal or iconic status in the skyline the twins did. Looking at those clips, 1 WTC is actually a pretty pale shadow of what was there.

It is not complete, though. I know there are renders of the building, but they don't give the same perspective.

From some angles it is supposed to resemble the Washington Monument.

From which angle?

1 WTC today from Broome St. and 6th avenue

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa53/patrickbnyc/1wtc9-3-11s.jpg

From which angle?

Pretty much every angle from which the outline of the building is made up by the slanted sides of the facade.

I don't want to drag this thread off topic, as 1 WTC really is coming along well and will look good come its completion, but this video proves that it's never going to have the same appeal or iconic status in the skyline the twins did. Looking at those clips, 1 WTC is actually a pretty pale shadow of what was there.

Give the new WTC some time. Remember that the Twins were hated at first.

From which angle?

If you rotate the tower 45° you'll quite notice the tapering. ;)

They reason why they don't stand out as much is because they are not bold, uninspiring concrete boxes. We miss the people who died inside them not the buildings. If they were still here many of you would be wishing they were getting demolished. We miss the towers but for the reason they went not their architecture.

i don't know why, as a skyscraper that made a NYC skyline, IMO there's nothing special with this tower, not such as stunning as a former twin tower WTC that dominated the NYC skyline. maybe NYC didn't want to build a new landmark after twin tower. maybe the landmark is the ground zerro park. the new WTC tower it self, by design, is a regular tower that i can see in a not major cities in the rest of the earth...can't waiting to see the pilgrims enjoy this site.... :cheers::cheers:

i don't know why, as a skyscraper that made a NYC skyline, IMO there's nothing special with this tower, not such as stunning as a former twin tower WTC that dominated the NYC skyline. maybe NYC didn't want to build a new landmark after twin tower. maybe the landmark is the ground zerro park. the new WTC tower it self, by design, is a regular tower that i can see in a not major cities in the rest of the earth...can't waiting to see the pilgrims enjoy this site.... :cheers::cheers:

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Hi all.

They reason why they don't stand out as much is because they are not bold, uninspiring concrete boxes. We miss the people who died inside them not the buildings. If they were still here many of you would be wishing they were getting demolished. We miss the towers but for the reason they went not their architecture.

Hi Hull.

Your opinion is as important as anyones. Mine is completely opposite of yours.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not pining for the twins to be rebuilt. This project along with the others being built here are going to be great landmarks and worthy replacements for the structures that were lost but I for one would NOT be wishing for the twins to be demolished. :ohno:

:cheers:
Ray.

Give the new WTC some time. Remember that the Twins were hated at first.
Yeah, once it's completed everyone will love it.:)

If you rotate the tower 45° you'll quite notice the tapering. ;)

I've noticed the tapering already. What I fail to see is the resemblance of an obelisk... What do you think? ^^

They reason why they don't stand out as much is because they are not bold, uninspiring concrete boxes. We miss the people who died inside them not the buildings. If they were still here many of you would be wishing they were getting demolished. We miss the towers but for the reason they went not their architecture.

That's really...judgmental.

nice nice!

Are those elevations above the NY city municipal datum ?
No, the Port Authority datum which is something like 300 feet below low tide at Battery Park in Lower Manhattan. For short hand, think of it as 300 feet below sea level, making the lobby 11 feet above the water.


If the North entrance is a significant, open air, pedestrian entrance then you are probably correct in assuming that floor will be the starting point for the 3 official CTBUH measures.
Yes, the north entrance on to Vesset St will count under current guidelines.

Perhaps the 8 foot piece is to be considered removable. If so then the 1787 would be the height to pinnacle and the 1779 the height to arch. top.

No, it's not removable. It's a permanent piece of structure and will count under official guidelines. The building will be 1,787 feet tall.

Just let the old twins go. They are no longer here and there is absolutely NO point of wanting them being rebuilt. New formalism is gone for a long time too, so let´s move forward and appreciate this skyscraper. :cheers:

For the tower haters: Just imagine Abraj Al Bait being built there instead and you will love 1WTC. :lol:

Just let the old twins go. They are no longer here and there is absolutely NO point of wanting them being rebuilt. New formalism is gone for a long time too, so let´s move forward and appreciate this skyscraper. :cheers:

For the tower haters: Just imagine Abraj Al Bait being built there instead and you will love 1WTC. :lol:

Abraj Al Bait being built on the site would provoke the Ground Zero Mosque Debate x100 :ohno:

I'm sure you were referring to the architecture of the Abraj Al Bait though

great panorama of that construction

Abraj Al Bait being built on the site would provoke the Ground Zero Mosque Debate x100 :ohno:

I'm sure you were referring to the architecture of the Abraj Al Bait though

Much, much more than that. If that were to happen the tallest building in new York would be a monument to Islam. There would be riots etc...

(I hope I didn't come across as racist there because I am not:)

^^Guys, for god sake, it was a joke :lol: I meant the architecture but never mind :runaway:

^^Guys, for god sake, it was a joke :lol: I meant the architecture but never mind :runaway:

I knew you were... But for the sake of conversation :)

I am happy with the speed that the glass is getting put on.

I'll be looking forward to the Discovery channel programs about the rebuilding of the WTC, which will be shown in Holland coming week. :cheers:

Is it just me? But imho WTC1 doesnt look as tall as it really is (300m now). I know it must be HUGE by now, but it doesnt appeal to on pics.

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nice :)

I'll be looking forward to the Discovery channel programs about the rebuilding of the WTC, which will be shown in Holland coming week. :cheers:

It will? I can't wait! :banana:

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I've noticed the tapering already. What I fail to see is the resemblance of an obelisk... What do you think? ^^

Like Otie said, from a 45 degree angle view, along with the guy wires for the spire, it kind-of sort-of looks like an obelisk. Doesn't stand out too much though.

^The Kevlar wires will hardly be noticable, since there are only 8, each one being 6" diameter.

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I've noticed the tapering already. What I fail to see is the resemblance of an obelisk...

Check this interview (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/09/04/sunday/main20101485.shtml) with David Childs, by CBS :okay:

So what's new? I was on vacation since thursday so I dunno any news :cheers: There hasn't been new steel since I last visited SSC, right? :dunno:

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Guys, this speech by Chris Ward of PA will shed some light on why 1WTC is no longer called the Freedom Tower and why it is now being constructed simply as an office tower like others:

http://blog.archpaper.com/wordpress/archives/22670

A few of mine from the other day...

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The cladding is just so so so awesome.

I am from Slovakia and I just finish watching on the Discovery Channel - Ground Zero rebuilding. It seems to be very nice. WTC fan

Sorry for my English

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I've noticed the tapering already. What I fail to see is the resemblance of an obelisk...

I think it's a bit clearer in this pic:

http://www.mysanantonio.com/mediaManager/?controllerName=image&action=get&id=1486485&width=628&height=471

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I am from Slovakia and I just finish watching on the Discovery Channel - Ground Zero rebuilding. It seems to be very nice. WTC fan

Sorry for my English

To davaju aj na nasom Discovery? :eek2: Jak som si to mohol nevsimnut? :doh:

Btw, mr.cool, your photos are awesome. They clearly show that 1WTC is already dominating LM. And it will dominate it even more with each floor it rises :banana2: The only bad thing is that it won't be topped out at 9/11/2011 :cry: However I'm looking forward to 9/11/2011 because then the new WTC will become famous. Man I'd love to see the oppening ceremony on TV :drool:

Opening ceremony of the tower or the memorial? I'm pretty sure that all major television networks in the US are scheduled to air the memorial service straight from the 9/11 memorial on 9/11/11.

You can also expect many specials airing during primetime that day instead of regular programming.

I'm from Bulgaria,I've just watched ''Rebuilding Ground Zero" on Discovery channel. I just want to tell these all people doing this are real heroes!

^^ That's true. The WTC complex redevelopment is the most important skyscraper project in history because of the message it'll send to the world. It'll show that America can't be defeated :master::banana2:

Wow the building is looking beautiful already, so I guess this will be topped out by about March next year at the current rate of 1 floor per week. What about two world trade centre, any ideas when this one will be topped out?

^^ Dunno, the only thing I know is that it'll take very many years until that'll happen given how the US were just a step away from a second financial recession recently :dunno:

^^ That's true. The WTC complex redevelopment is the most important skyscraper project in history because of the message it'll send to the world. It'll show that America can't be defeated :master::banana2:

Yes and...ew. :cheers:

I think it's a bit clearer in this pic:

http://www.mysanantonio.com/mediaManager/?controllerName=image&action=get&id=1486485&width=628&height=471

I still don't see it. Looks like North Tower.

So will the building be complete by 2012? I can't believe it's (?) 80 stories already.

^It'll reach it's full height by around summer next year. But it won't be complete until 2013.

^^ It'll be topped out thiss winter and the spire will take 6 months to assemble, so yeah, in 2012 the building itself will be finished :cheers: However, interior construction might take longer since it should open in 2013 :dunno:

^It'll reach it's full height by around summer next year. But it won't be complete until 2013.

But it's rising so quickly... Are you sure it won't be before summer?

Yes. It's roof will top out without the next 3/4 months (maybe 5). But the spire will take 6 months to complete, so in about January it'll reach 1368ft and sometime during summer, it'll reach 1776ft.

Yes. It's roof will top out without the next 3/4 months (maybe 5). But the spire will take 6 months to complete, so in about January it'll reach 1368ft and sometime during summer, it'll reach 1776ft.

Cool, thats gonna look awesome when it's finished. I want to go back to NYC soon to run the marathon, last time i did so it was 2007 and there was a big gapping hole in the skyline, this time it's gonna look sweet! I think I will go back there in Nov 2012, don't think I can wait till 2013 or 2014 for the whole complex.

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I'm have to head down there before 9/11/11. I haven't been down there for a minute.

Isn't anyone else here worried about Hurricane Katia ruining the 9/11/11 ceremony??

Nope. I don't worry about things I can't control.

From Newport:

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From Exchange Pl:

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I notice that the beam in this picture is dimpled is that for seismic mitigation (strong column weak beam design).

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where were these pics 4 months ago?

Hi all.

No, the Port Authority datum which is something like 300 feet below low tide at Battery Park in Lower Manhattan. For short hand, think of it as 300 feet below sea level, making the lobby 11 feet above the water.

Hi STR.

The PANYNJ datum is set so that elevation 0 is 297.37 feet below NGVD1929. I did some googling. :) Makes sense for them so their tunnels can use positive numbers.


Yes, the north entrance on to Vesset St will count under current guidelines.

It's good the lowest entrance will fit the criteria.


No, it's not removable. It's a permanent piece of structure and will count under official guidelines. The building will be 1,787 feet tall.

Cool.
So the height to arch. top and the height to tip will be the same - as it is for many buildings.

:cheers:
Ray.

Nope. I don't worry about things I can't control.

still would suck if there can't be a ceremony cuz we're in the middle of a Hurricane

nice details inside:)

@ Yazoo: your camera cannot be set on 05-09-2011, can it? Were I am living it is just getting light. That means it is still night and dark in NYC. But great photos by the way, it really shows that WTC1 is groing bigger and it makes a huge impact on south Manhattan again.

To be honest, I think a black cladding somewhat similar to the scaffolding at the base would look pretty nice on the building. Case in point: this picture:

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taken by me in jersey city tonight

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^^ Something like ths maybe?

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ugly! the contrast of the black against all the other buildings like towers 2 3 and 4 and the WFC will make it stick out not in a good way, better to keep the flow of the entire area.

^^There's black building down there too. I think a dark blue would better than the light grey or blue color they pick.

I think black would be good for the concrete base. It would make the building look more unique :cheers:

It won't happen..It will be brighter because street level is darker..No one want's to make it more dark than it already is..It's pure logic..Reflective and bright to bring light down into the canyon..

Would it really hurt the canyon if a small part of the building would be black? I doubt that :dunno:

Would it really hurt the canyon if a small part of the building would be black? I doubt that :dunno:

I was speaking in general..In this case, probably not because of open space above the memorial..But back on the Vesey street is different story..If architects wanted to put black glass, they could, no one can stop them..But I'm 99,9% sure they won't..

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where were these pics 4 months ago?

There's no way the date on those pics are correct. They look VERY recent..

Has anyone noticed how at night the Beekman and 1WTC are going to kinda look like the twin towers from those "under the Brooklyn Bridge" shots. Just the silhouette of the skyline, I mean

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Great pictures, thanks :cheers:

I notice that the beam in this picture is dimpled is that for seismic mitigation (strong column weak beam design).

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I might be wrong, but it looks like a "dog bone" moment connection. If there's any deflection, it will be directed to this "dimple" thus protecting the actual connection from damage.

I notice that the beam in this picture is dimpled is that for seismic mitigation (strong column weak beam design).

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Yes, it insures that the platic hinge occurs outside the column beam joint. It is for seismic concerns.

awesome aeriels Otie

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strange , in the picture above tower 4 ist much wider than the footprints of the twins.How wide is tower 4, when the twins are already 60m wide?

Wow, the 7 WTC looks so small compared to 1 WTC. :lol:

strange , in the picture above tower 4 ist much wider than the footprints of the twins.How wide is tower 4, when the twins are already 60m wide?

Perspective..It's higher, closer to the camera, so it looks bigger..