The last official height for 440 Park was 1350 feet,anything above this height is pure speculation.

Wow, if this and all the other proposed supertalls go through, NY could have 15 supertalls. Add the existing or proposed supertalls across the country, the US could have 28 supertalls.

walked around Dumbo and Brooklyn Heights plus crossed the Brooklyn Bridge.

The WTC 1 does NOT impress from Brooklyn. It is just too small. It will always be overwhelmed by the Beekman Tower.

WTC 2 and WTC 3 are musts for there to be any chance of this project to look decent. And even then the best place to view the WTC complex is likely to be Jersey City.

I know it is pointless grumbling but they really did make WTC1 too small. F&#!

Dude it's not even topped out yet. When it's all done it will certainly have a presence when viewed from Brooklyn.

Dude it's not even topped out yet. When it's all done it will certainly have a presence when viewed from Brooklyn.


Doesn't matter. It is way too skinny. The tapering is killing it. No way does this dominate the lower Manhattan skyline the way EACH of the old twins did.

It just lacks the heft to dominate. If they really wanted to do the tapering and still have an imposing building the base probably should have been at least 240 feet on each side.

Anyways, I know this isn't changing. I am just pointing out my fears about this are sadly coming true when you actually look at the building.

it is basically the same size as the twins were 600west.... close enough to where you cant tell the difference by just looking

Doesn't matter. It is way too skinny. The tapering is killing it. No way does this dominate the lower Manhattan skyline the way EACH of the old twins did.

It just lacks the heft to dominate. If they really wanted to do the tapering and still have an imposing building the base probably should have been at least 240 feet on each side.

Anyways, I know this isn't changing. I am just pointing out my fears about this are sadly coming true when you actually look at the building.

I think you'll be surprised when the rest of the towers join in how much more the new complex will dominate. We're talking more or less FOUR supertall office towers lined up one after the other. Nowhere else in the world will you find that much bulk/height combined into one spot. The closest you can get is Dubai's marina city and Abraj Al-Bait.

no, it is a pretty big difference. The twins were about 208 on a side I believe. This is about 200 at the base but at the top is something like 140 a side due to tapering. Where are now is probably equivalent to 150 or 160 and you definitely notice it is smaller.

Just have to hope WTC 2 and WTC 3 get built soon and compensate.

Doesn't matter. It is way too skinny. The tapering is killing it. No way does this dominate the lower Manhattan skyline the way EACH of the old twins did.

It just lacks the heft to dominate. If they really wanted to do the tapering and still have an imposing building the base probably should have been at least 240 feet on each side.

Anyways, I know this isn't changing. I am just pointing out my fears about this are sadly coming true when you actually look at the building.

It's not way too skinny, and the tapering is not "killing" it, that's serious hyperbole. This building certainly will dominate by its sheer height, and if you actually walk up to it, you'll realize how massive it is too, despite it tapering at the top.

I think you'll be surprised when the rest of the towers join in how much more the new complex will dominate. We're talking more or less FOUR supertall office towers lined up one after the other. Nowhere else in the world will you find that much bulk/height combined into one spot. The closest you can get is Dubai's marina city and Abraj Al-Bait.

I agree. The true test will be when all the towers are up. Lets hope they don't get delayed.

walked around Dumbo and Brooklyn Heights plus crossed the Brooklyn Bridge.

The WTC 1 does NOT impress from Brooklyn. It is just too small. It will always be overwhelmed by the Beekman Tower.

WTC 2 and WTC 3 are musts for there to be any chance of this project to look decent. And even then the best place to view the WTC complex is likely to be Jersey City.

I know it is pointless grumbling but they really did make WTC1 too small. F&#!

Awww, how sad for you. Didn't dominate enough, boo hoo.

I agree however, they should have built the freedom tower with an enclosed spire structure up to 1776 to give the appearance of a taller building. Something like the Shanghai Tower has. The one thing I hate about the building is the stupid spire and antenna structure. It looks like it doesn't belong.

The twins were more imposing because they were bigger at the top and there were 2. However, they were brutish and domineering. I prefer class and style over brute force, so I'll take this modern glassy complex over those overgrown 1970 ugly government buildings that were the twins.

If all the buildings were as supreme as the London Shard or Shanghai Tower in design terms, then I'd be happy. Since we have a cluster of boxes for the most part, they should have been taller to make a statement. We live in a world of finance so I'm not too unhappy. I still think it was a weak attempt. I'd think the Freedom tower should have had a roof height of 2000 feet, and everything else be augmented too. However, at the very least, the facades bring a more modern appearance which NY needs to update its image for the 21st century.

Another level of glass comes into view.

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walked around Dumbo and Brooklyn Heights plus crossed the Brooklyn Bridge.

The WTC 1 does NOT impress from Brooklyn. It is just too small. It will always be overwhelmed by the Beekman Tower.

WTC 2 and WTC 3 are musts for there to be any chance of this project to look decent. And even then the best place to view the WTC complex is likely to be Jersey City.

I know it is pointless grumbling but they really did make WTC1 too small. F&#!

Yo there is still 700 more feet left your opinion is a little too premature.

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amazing. thanks:cheers:

walked around Dumbo and Brooklyn Heights plus crossed the Brooklyn Bridge.

The WTC 1 does NOT impress from Brooklyn. It is just too small. It will always be overwhelmed by the Beekman Tower.

WTC 2 and WTC 3 are musts for there to be any chance of this project to look decent. And even then the best place to view the WTC complex is likely to be Jersey City.

I know it is pointless grumbling but they really did make WTC1 too small. F&#!

Exactly, Beekman Tower does take some of the spotlight away from Tower 1 but we'll wait and see because isn't topped out yet. Plus this Tower is further back than the Twin Towers were when viewed from Brooklyn so 1 WTC will appear shorter than the Twin Towers at that point due to it being more to the West. Well some people will have differing opinions, they'll say the Tower is big, others will say it is small. The fact is people haven't seen a building of this scale in New York in 10 years so of course this Tower will appear large to them. I personally feel the height we are getting is enough because it is all we have since they took away the outdoor deck and restaurant so the height is the only thing I'm looking forward to in addition to the cladding, which I think is coming along nicely.

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#OccupyWallStreet at the World Trade Center (http://www.flickr.com/photos/agreatbigcity/6186655469/) by agreatbigcity (http://www.flickr.com/people/agreatbigcity/), on Flickr
Imagine how spectacular the base will look like once the glass fins are installed and ellectrical system being tested:
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World Trade Center (http://www.flickr.com/photos/nyperson/6179768800/) by nyperson (http://www.flickr.com/people/nyperson/), on Flickr

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Good Morning Manhattan (http://www.flickr.com/photos/epc/6185411216/) by epc (http://www.flickr.com/people/epc/), on Flickr

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7 WTC 12 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/joevare/6183324245/) by joevare (http://www.flickr.com/people/joevare/), on Flickr

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Freedom Tower/1 WTC construction at sunset (http://www.flickr.com/photos/daharyn/6182338913/) by daharyn (http://www.flickr.com/people/daharyn/), on Flickr

That is a cool render STR!

Wow, 440 Park could be an eyesore! One57 looks good, though, as do the other prososed towers! http://xua.me/uH

^^ spam bot copying post and mixing them together lmao

walked around Dumbo and Brooklyn Heights plus crossed the Brooklyn Bridge.

The WTC 1 does NOT impress from Brooklyn. It is just too small. It will always be overwhelmed by the Beekman Tower.

WTC 2 and WTC 3 are musts for there to be any chance of this project to look decent. And even then the best place to view the WTC complex is likely to be Jersey City.

I know it is pointless grumbling but they really did make WTC1 too small. F&#!

Beekman in the foreground so it's suppose to have that effect. We all know Beekman isn't bigger or taller than 1 WTC.

Spammers are more clever, but not enough to avoid the innevitable: BANNING!

walked around Dumbo and Brooklyn Heights plus crossed the Brooklyn Bridge.

The WTC 1 does NOT impress from Brooklyn. It is just too small. It will always be overwhelmed by the Beekman Tower.

WTC 2 and WTC 3 are musts for there to be any chance of this project to look decent. And even then the best place to view the WTC complex is likely to be Jersey City.

I know it is pointless grumbling but they really did make WTC1 too small. F&#!

Please don't forget that it's not even finished yet.

It still looks like the North Tower. ^^

Please don't forget that it's not even finished yet.

It still looks like the North Tower. ^^

Absolutely, this building is definitely the child of the Twin Towers and we're watching her grow up :D

Absolutely, this building is definitely the child of the Twin Towers and we're watching her grow up :D

I'd love to touch it!

Patrick, do you know what floor it is at now? I asked and nobody answered last time.

I'd love to touch it!

Patrick, do you know what floor it is at now? I asked and nobody answered last time.

I'm pretty sure we're still at 81-82, hopefully we see a jump later this week

I'm pretty sure we're still at 81-82, hopefully we see a jump later this week

For some reason, I was thinking 83. Oh well.

Thanks for answering. ^^

Patrick is right, 82nd..Decking is in the progress..

Please don't forget that it's not even finished yet.

It still looks like the North Tower. ^^

I'm glad somebody else agrees with me that it looks like the North Tower :cheers:

By Aqua Blue: "I agree however, they should have built the freedom tower with an enclosed spire structure up to 1776 to give the appearance of a taller building. Something like the Shanghai Tower has. The one thing I hate about the building is the stupid spire and antenna structure. It looks like it doesn't belong.

The twins were more imposing because they were bigger at the top and there were 2. However, they were brutish and domineering. I prefer class and style over brute force, so I'll take this modern glassy complex over those overgrown 1970 ugly government buildings that were the twins.

If all the buildings were as supreme as the London Shard or Shanghai Tower in design terms, then I'd be happy. Since we have a cluster of boxes for the most part, they should have been taller to make a statement. We live in a world of finance so I'm not too unhappy. I still think it was a weak attempt. I'd think the Freedom tower should have had a roof height of 2000 feet, and everything else be augmented too. However, at the very least, the facades bring a more modern appearance which NY needs to update its image for the 21st century.[/QUOTE]"

I think the design on this is better than shard and shanghai tower. Pyramid and spiral designs have and are being done in lots of places, but WTC 1 is a unique and ingenious shape, though I think a glass roof rising to an apex rather than that spire it would be better.

Btw, sorry for my disastrous effort at quoting.

^^ Well, I hate glass structures. I call them fake buildings because they have the form of a building but are completely useless. However, you might find interesting that earlier concepts of 1WTC had glass structures in it. Take a look at this evolution of 1WTC:

http://i51.tinypic.com/x6io9z.gif

Btw time for a WTC progress update:

http://oxblue.com/archive/487d07189e5fd2b7edce94fc0bcf4b68/800x600.jpg

^Well this one doesn't exclude glass structures, the roof is at El. 1334' 8" from main lobby floor while the parapet extends to El. 1368'... So the parapet is 33' 4" high. ;)

^^ It looks like such fake roofs are a fashion now. 3WTC and 4WTC will have them, Goldman Sachs next to 1WTC has it. That's bad but at least they look like real roofs from the ground :dunno:

Btw, I noticed that STR and SSP in the 1WTC thread says the roof parapet will extend to 1373 feet while SSC and SSP diagrams say it'll extend to 1368 feet. Now I heared both heights are true from a certain measurement but wouldn't it be good to synchronize the data and decide which one of these two figures will be used? :dunno:

I preferred the first version more than the current one, more original, of course it could be higher.

They removed a piece of the corner cladding and 2 windows this morning. I wonder why? Curious if it has something to do with the node above?

images via KPITV: http://www.video-monitoring.com/construction/kpitv/silver.htm
http://www.wtcphotos.com/photos/wtc1_removedGlass.jpg

Yesterday
http://www.wtcphotos.com/photos/wtc1_removedGlass-p2.jpg

Looks strrange ^^

I always liked the 4 design proposal plus it would have been a 2000 footer and, as for the Brooklyn view i believe their are going to some spots of Brooklyn that 1 wtc can still be seen, if any of guys can please show a rendering if their is an area.

I actually hate the previous designs. They look like monstrosities and the hollow glass structures make the tower look like its top is already collapsed, which brings unpleasant 9/11-memories.


Btw time for a WTC progress update:


No offense, I really appreciate your updates, but I think almost everyone keeps track of this webcam ;)

^^ It looks like such fake roofs are a fashion now. 3WTC and 4WTC will have them, Goldman Sachs next to 1WTC has it. That's bad but at least they look like real roofs from the ground :dunno:

Btw, I noticed that STR and SSP in the 1WTC thread says the roof parapet will extend to 1373 feet while SSC and SSP diagrams say it'll extend to 1368 feet. Now I heared both heights are true from a certain measurement but wouldn't it be good to synchronize the data and decide which one of these two figures will be used? :dunno:

Good grief, Kanto. The parapets are there to hide the mechanical equipment on top. If it wasn't there, you'd see all of the HVAC equipment. On Goldman Sachs you'd see their water towers as well. Just get over the roof height thing, it'll be good for your health.

I always liked the 4 design proposal plus it would have been a 2000 footer and, as for the Brooklyn view i believe their are going to some spots of Brooklyn that 1 wtc can still be seen, if any of guys can please show a rendering if their is an area.

I would have been fine with that design if they had extended the floors to 1368', and used the mesh structure for the remaining 650'. Plop an outdoor observation deck on top of that. Now THAT would have been something. Ah well. What we're getting is great.

I also would have been fine with Foster's original twin tower proposal from years ago. Those would have been icons as well.

I'm glad somebody else agrees with me that it looks like the North Tower :cheers:

What are you slow. The north and south towers look the same, They were twins.

I think you'll be surprised when the rest of the towers join in how much more the new complex will dominate. We're talking more or less FOUR supertall office towers lined up one after the other. Nowhere else in the world will you find that much bulk/height combined into one spot.

:ohno:

Shanghai. Pudong. Get a clue.

^^ I'm pretty much sure the tower in Shanghai are mix-use.

What are you slow. The north and south towers look the same, They were twins.
haha i know right?

I guess people are saying that due to the spire resemblance (but still doesnt look like north tower to me! :bash: )

the north and south tower were truly elegant in their own aspect and cant be compared to the new aged supertall rising here at the moment..

and once WTC 2 and WTC 3 are completed, I'm sure the people who claim that 'Lower manhattan skyline would still not be dominated by WTC's' would have to think again! :banana: GO LOWER MANHATTAN!

I'm glad somebody else agrees with me that it looks like the North Tower :cheers:

Yeah.
http://i.picoodle.com/685igreu.jpg

I wonder why the cladding was removed?

^^ I know you quoted me. But I'll never say the twin towers, look better than 1WTC. Because that would be a outright lie.

^^ I know you quoted me. But I'll never say the twin towers, look better than 1WTC. Because that would be a outright lie.

I think it is subjective.

^^ I'm pretty much sure the tower in Shanghai are mix-use.

Uaarkson is talking about "bulk/height combined into one spot". Well, Pudong.

And he also said office towers.

tallest block in dubai marina?!

Yeah I guess Pudong will be giving LM a run for its money in that regard, but I still think the WTC will be the more striking cluster.

pearl tower isnt even a skyscraper so i give LM the upper hand

Lower Manhattan = Boxes

Pudong = Crazy shapes.

I like them both the same, Lower manhattan for the crazy density (also looks good) and Pudong for the buildings.

I have a question...perhaps you may find it unintelligent.

Will this building have a sky lobby?

I have a question...perhaps you may find it unintelligent.

Will this building have a sky lobby?

Yes, 64th floor.

Lower Manhattan = Boxes

Pudong = Crazy shapes.

I like them both the same, Lower manhattan for the crazy density (also looks good) and Pudong for the buildings.

Lower Manhattan has the greatest collection, per capita, of pre-WWII skyscrapers in the world (Midtown has more in total but less per capita). No skyline has better shapes than Wall St.

Yeah.
http://i.picoodle.com/685igreu.jpg

I wonder why the cladding was removed?

I think of 1WTC as both trade towers combined , with the 8 sides it turns into being the 8 sides combined of the twins and the antennae of The North tower.

Lower Manhattan has the greatest collection, per capita, of pre-WWII skyscrapers in the world (Midtown has more in total but less per capita). No skyline has better shapes than Wall St.

Manhattan is timeless. pudong is kitsch and built for the present, not the past or future.

^^ Coming from someone who likes that tacky gold shenzhen tower? Right...


This is subliminal cladding nonetheless, i've really grown to like this as it's turning out to be a proper stunner.

Yes, 64th floor.

Thank you, Chapelo. I was hoping it would have.

64 is a good number. It is between 44 and 78. ^^

Thank you, Chapelo. I was hoping it would have.

64 is a good number. It is between 44 and 78. ^^

And right above the roof of 7WTC giving it an amazing views of Midtown and Brooklyn..

And right above the roof of 7WTC giving it an amazing views of Midtown and Brooklyn..

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:cheers:

^^ Coming from someone who likes that tacky gold shenzhen tower? Right...

Its not gold anymore, it will be silver.

^^ Well, I hate glass structures. I call them fake buildings because they have the form of a building but are completely useless. However, you might find interesting that earlier concepts of 1WTC had glass structures in it. Take a look at this evolution of 1WTC:

http://i51.tinypic.com/x6io9z.gif

Btw time for a WTC progress update:

http://oxblue.com/archive/487d07189e5fd2b7edce94fc0bcf4b68/800x600.jpg


Im glad they decided on the last design, its simple and in my opinion is the best tribute to the old twin towers. The other designs are rather hideous in my opinion. They were too open and hollow. The fourth design wasnt all that bad, but I still like the final one best. Its not perfect, but hey, if they didnt rebuild the Twin Towers, I will take it!

Does 1WTC have a steel exoskeleton like the towers did, it seems to have much more glass?

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Freedom Tower (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thenoonz/6187990708/) by Alex Nunez (http://www.flickr.com/people/thenoonz/), on Flickr

Thank god Joe Woolhead (http://www.joewoolhead.com/) updated his blog (http://www.joewoolhead.com/home/blog/)!

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Does 1WTC have a steel exoskeleton like the towers did, it seems to have much more glass?

It has one, but it's not a tube-structure like the original towers, if that's what you're asking.

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Freedom Tower (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thenoonz/6187990708/) by Alex Nunez (http://www.flickr.com/people/thenoonz/), on Flickr

...and to think at one time half this board was worried about what the glass would look like. It's a work of art!

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6169/6190982754_7a4e4129a0_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/icepeak/6190982754/)
world trade center 1 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/icepeak/6190982754/) by Marco Hornung (http://www.flickr.com/people/icepeak/), on Flickr

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6131/6190985468_077b19984c_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/icepeak/6190985468/)
gate to the new world (http://www.flickr.com/photos/icepeak/6190985468/) by Marco Hornung (http://www.flickr.com/people/icepeak/), on Flickr

...and to think at one time half this board was worried about what the glass would look like. It's a work of art!

Yup it is. Pure awesomeness :cheers:

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By Marco Hornung (http://www.flickr.com/photos/icepeak/6190982482/)

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world trade center 1 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/icepeak/6190982754/) by Marco Hornung (http://www.flickr.com/people/icepeak/), on Flickr

Nice :okay:

Its easy to imagine the base having glass fins with this image:
http://static.flickr.com/77/202631900_047ba88411_o.jpg

very nice photo also expression all of workers

http://www.bondbuyer.com/issues/120_186/port-authority-ny-nj-billion-dollar-bonds-1031474-1.html

Scaffolding is up, cranes are gonna jump right now..

Kanto, I love that diagram...Or at least the last building design. <3

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world trade center 1 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/icepeak/6190982754/) by Marco Hornung (http://www.flickr.com/people/icepeak/), on Flickr

Like a kaleidoscope!

Wow, cladding is world-class.

If you look at this pictures, you could mean, the One WTC is already ready!
Just think, the cranes are away, and you have it!
Oh my god....How awesome it's going to look, when it's built ready in reality!

:drool: :drool:

How small are the smallest floors going to be?

I was thinking about this, when your post came online! (Very strange...:lol:)
Well, I don't know it, it's really difficult to find it out, but I think the ground floor. (?)

How small are the smallest floors going to be?

I believe the smallest office floor is around 21,000 sq ft total.

^^^^ Oh, I did understand something wrong....
;)

I was just wondering today how many hits on goggle 1wtc gets vs Burj Khalifa and i am glad to see that 1 wtc has way more.:lol:

Is there any way to render the height in, say, 1 or 2 months from now? Would just like to see approximately what it'll look like once the office floors are complete.

I dont get it. THIS thread says it will be 108 stories but other places say its 104 stories. Will they change the model of the freedom tower and make it 110 floors?

I dont get it. THIS thread says it will be 108 stories
If this thread says it then it's legit. :lol:

Adding to the confusion, Wikipedia says it'll be a 105-story supertall skyscraper (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_World_Trade_Center). :troll:

Hopefully by tomorrow 1 wtc will just be 3 feet shorter than the Chrysler and times building.

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Photo by Malcome972 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59635146@N08/)

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6154/6193085756_0375c2f602_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/creepysleepy/6193085756/)
Looking up at the Freedom Tower (http://www.flickr.com/photos/creepysleepy/6193085756/) by Dan Patterson (http://www.flickr.com/people/creepysleepy/), on Flickr

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6161/6193083128_b0a789cdb5_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/creepysleepy/6193083128/)
The Freedom Tower (http://www.flickr.com/photos/creepysleepy/6193083128/) by Dan Patterson (http://www.flickr.com/people/creepysleepy/), on Flickr

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6136/6193082610_5f1dbaa4ee_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/creepysleepy/6193082610/)
Down an elevator shaft from the 71st floor of the Freedom Tower (http://www.flickr.com/photos/creepysleepy/6193082610/) by Dan Patterson (http://www.flickr.com/people/creepysleepy/), on Flickr

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6161/6192563139_397561bcfb_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/creepysleepy/6192563139/)
Looking in and under the WTC memorial museum (http://www.flickr.com/photos/creepysleepy/6192563139/) by Dan Patterson (http://www.flickr.com/people/creepysleepy/), on Flickr

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6151/6193080020_b93c1cf298_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/creepysleepy/6193080020/)
Best Local Union in the Free World - Iron Workers 40 - Freedom Tower (http://www.flickr.com/photos/creepysleepy/6193080020/) by Dan Patterson (http://www.flickr.com/people/creepysleepy/), on Flickr

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6128/6192561815_69b7235671_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/creepysleepy/6192561815/)
Workers exiting the elevator at the 74th floor of the Freedom Tower (http://www.flickr.com/photos/creepysleepy/6192561815/) by Dan Patterson (http://www.flickr.com/people/creepysleepy/), on Flickr

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6175/6192532489_059673aed5_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/creepysleepy/6192532489/)
View East from the Freedom Tower (http://www.flickr.com/photos/creepysleepy/6192532489/) by Dan Patterson (http://www.flickr.com/people/creepysleepy/), on Flickr

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6152/6192531657_4e466f4f41_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/creepysleepy/6192531657/)
View South East from the Freedom Tower (http://www.flickr.com/photos/creepysleepy/6192531657/) by Dan Patterson (http://www.flickr.com/people/creepysleepy/), on Flickr

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6178/6192529799_0c53d8c8eb_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/creepysleepy/6192529799/)
View East from the Freedom Tower (http://www.flickr.com/photos/creepysleepy/6192529799/) by Dan Patterson (http://www.flickr.com/people/creepysleepy/), on Flickr

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6170/6193043758_c73a15fe7e_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/creepysleepy/6193043758/)
The inner wall of the Freedom Tower (http://www.flickr.com/photos/creepysleepy/6193043758/) by Dan Patterson (http://www.flickr.com/people/creepysleepy/), on Flickr

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6010/6193043388_053277a6ea_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/creepysleepy/6193043388/)
Walking down the outside wall of the Freedom Tower (gulp!) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/creepysleepy/6193043388/) by Dan Patterson (http://www.flickr.com/people/creepysleepy/), on Flickr

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6018/6193040234_6ee15b7171_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/creepysleepy/6193040234/)
Inner core of the Freedom Tower (http://www.flickr.com/photos/creepysleepy/6193040234/) by Dan Patterson (http://www.flickr.com/people/creepysleepy/), on Flickr

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6024/6192518335_065a7c599b_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/creepysleepy/6192518335/)
Safety netting of the Freedom Tower (http://www.flickr.com/photos/creepysleepy/6192518335/) by Dan Patterson (http://www.flickr.com/people/creepysleepy/), on Flickr

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6170/6193034220_5719dd55ab_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/creepysleepy/6193034220/)
Construction on the 73rd Floor of the Freedom Tower (http://www.flickr.com/photos/creepysleepy/6193034220/) by Dan Patterson (http://www.flickr.com/people/creepysleepy/), on Flickr

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6180/6193033204_39b319901f_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/creepysleepy/6193033204/)
Internal construction of the Freedom Tower (http://www.flickr.com/photos/creepysleepy/6193033204/) by Dan Patterson (http://www.flickr.com/people/creepysleepy/), on Flickr

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6151/6193031102_d81309ab14_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/creepysleepy/6193031102/)
Freedom Tower 54th Floor (http://www.flickr.com/photos/creepysleepy/6193031102/) by Dan Patterson (http://www.flickr.com/people/creepysleepy/), on Flickr

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6156/6192512217_770ea67be9_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/creepysleepy/6192512217/)
Inside the Freedom Tower (http://www.flickr.com/photos/creepysleepy/6192512217/) by Dan Patterson (http://www.flickr.com/people/creepysleepy/), on Flickr

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6178/6192508919_91a8b8ae35_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/creepysleepy/6192508919/)
Building the Freedom Tower (http://www.flickr.com/photos/creepysleepy/6192508919/) by Dan Patterson (http://www.flickr.com/people/creepysleepy/), on Flickr

In flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/creepysleepy) (Dan Patterson - The same pictures posted up by the Otie), also has some cool videos that the guy did.

This shows the view of the building
http://www.flickr.com/photos/creepysleepy/6193353334/in/photostream

Awesome find guys..

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6176/6193471605_a8a59bb163_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/roccocell/6193471605/)
FULTON STREET | WTC (http://www.flickr.com/photos/roccocell/6193471605/) by roccocell (http://www.flickr.com/people/roccocell/), on Flickr

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6176/6193758785_13b6098951_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42955582@N02/6193758785/)
Lower Manhattan Panorama (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42955582@N02/6193758785/) by BigAlBJr (http://www.flickr.com/people/42955582@N02/), on Flickr

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6175/6192105587_19db066aa7_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ericfarkas/6192105587/)
WTC Site 2011 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ericfarkas/6192105587/) by speric (http://www.flickr.com/people/ericfarkas/), on Flickr

Wow. Nice photo!

Oh, it looks good!

very complete up date photos

That is a great shot looking inside the concrete lobby entrance of WTC1. Gives some perspective of what it will be like entering the building. It will definitely be like entering a bunker but they probably had no choice but to make it that way.

Columns going up today!

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Lower Manhattan Panorama (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42955582@N02/6193758785/) by BigAlBJr (http://www.flickr.com/people/42955582@N02/), on Flickr

Hi, I was wandering, maybe bit hard to see, but what is the function of the triangular building just left of the tree in the middle? It is sitting at the quay. Is it residential or office?

Two images showing how the new WTC is now visible from a lot of downtown Manhattan below 14th Street:

From Soho: http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/5034/img2338m.jpg

From TriBeCa: http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/4071/img2343s.jpg

...

Dino where do you come up with this photos? :D

New columns are going up today. That's floors 83 and 84. 1WTC is now 1,044 ft high to the column splice. :cheers:

Dino where do you come up with this photos? :D

Flickr..;) Day or two old..Every day new stuff..

New steel up this morning.
http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/1057/1wtc92911005.jpg

Ohhhh yeeaaaahhh! :cheers:

That is a great shot looking inside the concrete lobby entrance of WTC1. Gives some perspective of what it will be like entering the building. It will definitely be like entering a bunker but they probably had no choice but to make it that way.

That feeling probably stems from all the bare concrete still down there. Keep in mind that it will all eventually all be covered in white marble and well lit.

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6154/6195035462_bd56de5a2a_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/7112249@N05/6195035462/)
Untitled (http://www.flickr.com/photos/7112249@N05/6195035462/) by DC4416 (http://www.flickr.com/people/7112249@N05/), on Flickr

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6180/6194517953_e9f7a75f4f_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/7112249@N05/6194517953/)
Untitled (http://www.flickr.com/photos/7112249@N05/6194517953/) by DC4416 (http://www.flickr.com/people/7112249@N05/), on Flickr

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/gsa_lease_deal_makes_wtc_over_half_kal810MJaLCQNQcQXTev6L

GSA lease deal makes 1 WTC over half-full

By STEVE CUOZZO
Last Updated: 12:55 PM, September 29, 2011
Posted: 11:37 PM, September 28, 2011

The US General Services Administration has signed a preliminary agreement to lease 300,000 square feet at 1 World Trade Center, The Post has learned -- a deal that will push the iconic tower over the psychologically crucial 50 percent-full mark.

The agency signed the term sheet -- a nonbinding document that spells out all major terms and nearly always leads to a completed lease -- with the tower’s owners, the Port Authority and the Durst Organization.

Although a GSA lease has been talked about for years, it never before reached the term-sheet stage until the past few days.

The deal is likely to be completed by the end of the year, sources said.

Previously, Condé Nast signed for more than 1 million square feet and China’s Beijing Vantone for 200,000 in the 3 million square-foot skyscraper.

Just as important, the GSA lease is for only half the space it originally intended to take at 1 WTC when negotiations started four years ago.

The smaller GSA commitment is a sign of health for 1 WTC, whose owners didn’t want their world-class tower filled with government agency bureaucrats.

The Port Authority and Durst are now confident of luring higher-paying private-sector tenants for the just under 1.5 million square feet that remain available.

Sources said the GSA will pay an effective starting rent on the 20-year lease in the mid-$50s per square foot, taking subsidies into account. The agency will be on floors 50-56.

Durst and a Cushman & Wakefield team led by Tara Stacom are marketing the remaining space, most of it in the tower’s highest floors.

That is a great shot looking inside the concrete lobby entrance of WTC1. Gives some perspective of what it will be like entering the building. It will definitely be like entering a bunker but they probably had no choice but to make it that way.

You will be amazed at what a interior designer can do with such a dark and bare space :)

Hi, I was wandering, maybe bit hard to see, but what is the function of the triangular building just left of the tree in the middle? It is sitting at the quay. Is it residential or office?

I believe that is the 259 meters tall American International Building. According to SSP diagrams it is an office building :cheers:

Btw, since new steel went up it is again time for my famous roof height diagram checklist :cheers:

1WTC is currently 318 meters or 1044 feet tall and has reached floor 84. It is currently the second tallest building in NYC and the 6th tallest building in the US.

http://i51.tinypic.com/332ymqb.jpg

http://i55.tinypic.com/4vle2q.jpg

http://i52.tinypic.com/fksnzq.jpg

By the roof height Kanto, you have to say that it's second tallest by the roof height..So people don't get confused..

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Untitled (http://www.flickr.com/photos/7112249@N05/6194517953/) by DC4416 (http://www.flickr.com/people/7112249@N05/), on Flickr

Again amazing :cheers:

By the roof height Kanto, you have to say that it's second tallest by the roof height..So people don't get confused..

Well, I have it written in my signature with bold red letters, isn't that enough? :dunno: If not let me know and I'll add it to the post too :cheers:

Well, I have it written in my signature with bold red letters, isn't that enough? :dunno: If not let me know and I'll add it to the post too :cheers:

Just post it..People usually don't pay attention to signatures while reading posts..I'm ok with you counting heights whatever you want, just make sure you let people know that it's your way..Because otherwise it would be giving a wrong information..Thanks Kanto..;)

^^ No problem, I just edited my post :cheers:

Btw, since new steel went up it is again time for my famous roof height diagram checklist

^ or infamous...

^^ You're welcome to make your own one if you like :cheers:

I'm glad the cladding covers most of the structure now, with cold season upcoming.

- A

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6172/6195587199_39b7657a9e_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/johndeguzman/6195587199/)
Never seen the NYC sky like THIS! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/johndeguzman/6195587199/) by John de Guzman (http://www.flickr.com/people/johndeguzman/), on Flickr

^^ :omg: :hammer: Whoa. Is it me or does it look like there is an opening in the clouds right above the WTC site?

Well, I have it written in my signature with bold red letters, isn't that enough? :dunno: If not let me know and I'll add it to the post too :cheers:
Many people have signatures turned off because they want to read forum posts and not read repeated red text signatures for no apparent reason. ;)

Seriously, just label those charts so that there aren't comments every time.

Wow nice find, Dino!

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6157/6192339917_967faf7bb8_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/heinena/6192339917/)
Lower Manhattan (http://www.flickr.com/photos/heinena/6192339917/) by Mr Boy John (http://www.flickr.com/people/heinena/), on Flickr

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6163/6191356815_e72da23131_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ggnyc/6191356815/)
9/11 Memorial (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ggnyc/6191356815/) by ggnyc (http://www.flickr.com/people/ggnyc/), on Flickr

weather in the city this afternoon was wild.

we lost the afternoon at my job :ohno:

wow, that last pic almost makes it look as if the WTC is comlete.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/gsa_lease_deal_makes_wtc_over_half_kal810MJaLCQNQcQXTev6L

GSA lease deal makes 1 WTC over half-full

By STEVE CUOZZO
Last Updated: 12:55 PM, September 29, 2011
Posted: 11:37 PM, September 28, 2011

The US General Services Administration has signed a preliminary agreement to lease 300,000 square feet at 1 World Trade Center, The Post has learned -- a deal that will push the iconic tower over the psychologically crucial 50 percent-full mark.

The agency signed the term sheet -- a nonbinding document that spells out all major terms and nearly always leads to a completed lease -- with the tower’s owners, the Port Authority and the Durst Organization.

Although a GSA lease has been talked about for years, it never before reached the term-sheet stage until the past few days.

The deal is likely to be completed by the end of the year, sources said.

Previously, Condé Nast signed for more than 1 million square feet and China’s Beijing Vantone for 200,000 in the 3 million square-foot skyscraper.

Just as important, the GSA lease is for only half the space it originally intended to take at 1 WTC when negotiations started four years ago.

The smaller GSA commitment is a sign of health for 1 WTC, whose owners didn’t want their world-class tower filled with government agency bureaucrats.

The Port Authority and Durst are now confident of luring higher-paying private-sector tenants for the just under 1.5 million square feet that remain available.

Sources said the GSA will pay an effective starting rent on the 20-year lease in the mid-$50s per square foot, taking subsidies into account. The agency will be on floors 50-56.

Durst and a Cushman & Wakefield team led by Tara Stacom are marketing the remaining space, most of it in the tower’s highest floors.

Ugh, more federal offices...

I almost feel it shouldn't count. It's more of a bad sign for the economy and the hope that varying parts of the private sector will move in, not just to this tower but any other.

"The smaller GSA commitment is a sign of health for 1 WTC, whose owners didn’t want their world-class tower filled with government agency bureaucrats."

That quote offers me some hope though.

^^ You're welcome to make your own one if you like :cheers:

I like how you make it seem like it's your idea lol.

Has anybody looked at the September 2011 edition of Architectural Record? There are 30 pages all about the new WTC. Diagrams, timelines, renders, photos, floorplans, pretty much everything there is to know about the entire WTC site :D

Fold-out cover:

http://www.spd.org/images/blog/AR_09_11_gatefold_LR.jpg
http://www.spd.org/images/blog/AR_09_11_gatefold_LR.jpg

Lets stop this childish discussion and get back on topic.

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Photo by Ignatzzz1 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ignatzzz/)

2 or 3 more cladding rows and it surpasses 7wtc I think.

http://www.boweryboogie.com/2011/09/ufo-sighting-above-the-freedom-tower-last-week/ lol :lol:

http://www.boweryboogie.com/2011/09/ufo-sighting-above-the-freedom-tower-last-week/ lol :lol:

I hope that article is a satire :lol: It's obviously a banner or kite with writing on it.

The tower in the clouds looks great! A novice question, what accounts for the space near the bottom of the tower just above the concrete base and below the first glass panels? The part where the flags are hanging..is that just exposed steel that has not had the glass panels added yet? I notice the area seems to go on each siide of the tower, below the first glass section. Must be a reason they have not added glass to that section yet.

The tower in the clouds looks great! A novice question, what accounts for the space near the bottom of the tower just above the concrete base and below the first glass panels? The part where the flags are hanging..is that just exposed steel that has not had the glass panels added yet? I notice the area seems to go on each siide of the tower, below the first glass section. Must be a reason they have not added glass to that section yet.

That is part of the podium, which will have its own special glass. It was redesigned because of design issues, so we are having to wait a little longer for that glass

Interesting "biography".

http://kaleazy.kaleazy.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/freedom-tower.jpg

Ugh, more federal offices...

I almost feel it shouldn't count. It's more of a bad sign for the economy and the hope that varying parts of the private sector will move in, not just to this tower but any other.

"The smaller GSA commitment is a sign of health for 1 WTC, whose owners didn’t want their world-class tower filled with government agency bureaucrats."

That quote offers me some hope though.

Iirc the old WTC had a lot of government tenants so it isn't really a surprise to me but I agree, it's bad news for 1WTC to get less paying tenants :dunno:

Just snapped then.
http://i54.tinypic.com/214bdyr.jpg
Earthcam. World Trade Center Cams. http://www.earthcam.com/usa/newyork/worldtradecenter/?cam=tower1 . EarthCam, Inc

Everybody please if you have a problem with me take it into PMs and don't troll this thread.

Now back on topic, it's time for a new PA progress cam update:

http://oxblue.com/archive/487d07189e5fd2b7edce94fc0bcf4b68/800x600.jpg

very nice view on morning

Such a fresh building with wonderful clean and crisp lines.

Are the tip tops of the cranes approximately the finished roof height? Just curious when I imagine what it will look like, someday soon!

dgaroc (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgaroc/6192194690/sizes/l/in/photostream/)

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6009/6192194690_75e15bd5e4_b.jpg

I love the way it looks on this pic, and cant wait to see the whole complex finished.

Are the tip tops of the cranes approximately the finished roof height? Just curious when I imagine what it will look like, someday soon!

No, the roof is still higher than cranes..

Ugh, more federal offices...

I almost feel it shouldn't count. It's more of a bad sign for the economy and the hope that varying parts of the private sector will move in, not just to this tower but any other.

"The smaller GSA commitment is a sign of health for 1 WTC, whose owners didn’t want their world-class tower filled with government agency bureaucrats."

That quote offers me some hope though.

According to Durst and Cushman Wakefield, they are doing lots of walkthroughs with potential tenants. So that's a good sign. Some of those will no doubt sign leases.

Chris Ward calls its quits (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/29/nyregion/port-authoritys-director-christopher-ward-is-said-to-be-leaving.html)

dgaroc (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgaroc/6192194690/sizes/l/in/photostream/)

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6009/6192194690_75e15bd5e4_b.jpg

I love the way it looks on this pic, and cant wait to see the whole complex finished.

I can't help myself, from this perspective it looks too small. That's why I don't like this position.
The best one is from the Other side of LowerManhattan. Seen from there, it looks fucking awesome :banana:

^^ When it's finished it'll dominate the skyline from this angle too. Though I still think the east side of LM would deserve some supertalls too :cheers:

best view is from new Jersey.

Iirc the old WTC had a lot of government tenants so it isn't really a surprise to me but I agree, it's bad news for 1WTC to get less paying tenants :dunno:

The federal government will pay for the space. In fact, they are about the only ones that can pay these days. Not to mention they are paying for a lot of the WTC to begin with.

I can't help myself, from this perspective it looks too small. That's why I don't like this position.
The best one is from the Other side of LowerManhattan. Seen from there, it looks fucking awesome :banana:

Yup, I noticed that too when I was in Brooklyn last weekend. Jersey will definitely have the best views of the WTC. Plus the Staten Island Ferry I think.

best view is from new Jersey.

I agree! They are going to have the best view on the complex.
But of Course, a building with a height about 500 meters is going to be visible from everywhere in NY, NJ, and so on. It is going to be so great!!!!:banana:

Are the tip tops of the cranes approximately the finished roof height? Just curious when I imagine what it will look like, someday soon!

The last time I checked, the highest crane was about 360 meters (1182 feets) high.

Since then, I believe that the cranes have not risen. But their position change, so changing a little of your hight.

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6164/6197719045_60b5f94046_b.jpg
By kedar.mehta.photography (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kedarmehta/6197719045/)

^^ When it's finished it'll dominate the skyline from this angle too. Though I still think the east side of LM would deserve some supertalls too :cheers:

You should prepare to be dissapointed. All you will really see is a wall of blue glass. All of WTC's buildings are one view buildings that will look ugly from one side, yet look goregous from another side. WTC 1 will be totally obstructed except for its spire by WTC 2 from that side.

^^ 3 and 4 look good from all angles IMO.

Perhaps Otie or Dino could post a ghost render of where 1 WTC will top out with respect to the cranes? :D

I think one of you did on SSP, but I can't remember who.

Perhaps Otie or Dino could post a ghost render of where 1 WTC will top out with respect to the cranes? :D

I would love to see that.

How does one do the Flickr photo thing?

This image I had published about two weeks. In this image we can have an idea of ​​how high the building will be when you have 88 floors.

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/3267/wtcfloor88n2.jpg

This image I had published about two weeks. In this image we can have an idea of ​​how high the building will be when you have 88 floors.

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/3267/wtcfloor88n2.jpg

That's awesome! Could you tell me how to make one of those? Like what program did you use?

As much as I like Freedom Tower, ultimately I still think it would've been better to simply rebuild the old towers, with some updates

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^Not this again...

^Not this again...

Just his opinion...though I mostly agree with you.

Perhaps someone could tell me how to host a Flickr image? There was an image of the Tower 1 that I wanted to share.

Perhaps someone could tell me how to host a Flickr image? There was an image of the Tower 1 that I wanted to share.

Just go to the "Share" button just above the picture. Then choose the size, copy the code, and post it here.

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6164/6197719045_60b5f94046_b.jpg
By kedar.mehta.photography (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kedarmehta/6197719045/)

Great perspective!
I can imagine, how awesome it's going to look from there, when it's ready.
:banana:

How much floors it's going to have?

Great perspective!
I can imagine, how awesome it's going to look from there, when it's ready.
:banana:

How much floors it's going to have?

108 floors

^^Thank you! Well, they have built 86 floors yet. That means, we are in 3 months T/O.
:banana:.
Or does somebody think in an other way?

^^Thank you! Well, they have built 86 floors yet. That means, we are in 3 months T/O.
:banana:.
Or does somebody think in an other way?

They're on floor 84. They won't t/o in 3 months. After the 88th, they'll be building taller mech floors which will likely take longer than the normal 2 floors per week schedule.

They'll top out the roof sometime in 1Q 2012.

^^ 3 and 4 look good from all angles IMO.

Perhaps Otie or Dino could post a ghost render of where 1 WTC will top out with respect to the cranes? :D

I think one of you did on SSP, but I can't remember who.

You mean something like this:

http://i53.tinypic.com/2wrkllf.jpg

Original photo is from TriBeCa by SSC member msl1.

Though I can't create the ring and the spire cause I'm no modeler. I could only do what is doable by geometry :dunno:

They're on floor 84. They won't t/o in 3 months. After the 88th, they'll be building taller mech floors which will likely take longer than the normal 2 floors per week schedule.

They'll top out the roof sometime in 1Q 2012.

Ok, let's say 5 months!
3 months aren't enough. I didn't know the thing with the stronger upper floors. THX, now's everything clear.:cheers:

^^ 3 and 4 look good from all angles IMO.

Perhaps Otie or Dino could post a ghost render of where 1 WTC will top out with respect to the cranes? :D

I think one of you did on SSP, but I can't remember who.

Yes, I did that..But I can give you only a link since Carlos don't want his pics on this forum..;)

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showpost.php?p=5414555&postcount=16413

God this has shot up! Is it the tallest yet?

God this has shot up! Is it the tallest yet?

5th tallest in NY behind the New York Times Tower and 9th tallest in the US..

God this has shot up! Is it the tallest yet?

Tallest in Lower Manhattan, but not in all of Manhattan

As much as I like Freedom Tower, ultimately I still think it would've been better to simply rebuild the old towers, with some updates

I feel the same way, and still do, but this building has grown on me.

In the US..In NY, only ESB, BofA, Chrysler and NYTT are taller..

http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/8751/zzzzlm.jpg

NYTT is a joke being considered now as taller than 1WTC ,lol

Original photo is from TriBeCa by SSC member msl1.

Though I can't create the ring and the spire cause I'm no modeler. I could only do what is doable by geometry :dunno:

That's not TriBeCa, as it's above Canal Street.

nice photos,

In the US..In NY, only ESB, BofA, Chrysler and NYTT are taller..

Should be #3 in NTC in no time at all!

1 wtc is only 3 feet shorter than the Chrysler and times, that's such a little difference that by my account their are all the same height .

1 wtc is only 3 feet shorter than the Chrysler and times, that's such a little difference that by my account their are all the same height .

+1, but the perfectionists will still want to wait till it's at least an inch higher, lol!

+1, but the perfectionists will still want to wait till it's at least an inch higher, lol!

Talking in terms of how high they are, you can go even further and say that 1WTC still needs like 40 feet to surpass chrysler, since terrain in midtown is higher than on the wtc site.

Hi all.

That's awesome! Could you tell me how to make one of those? Like what program did you use?

Hi WTC.

I have used FastStone Image Viewer for years.
I use it as my pic viewer (the best I've found) and to label any shots I want to make a point with.
It has many great features, is easy to learn and use, and works on any flavour of windows.
Best of all - it's totally free. :)
You can find it online at faststone.org.

:cheers:
Ray.

Earlier today

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6143/6198446325_bffcdd5062_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/agreatbigcity/6198446325/)
World Trade Center progress - September 30, 2011 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/agreatbigcity/6198446325/) by agreatbigcity (http://www.flickr.com/people/agreatbigcity/), on Flickr

That's awesome! Could you tell me how to make one of those? Like what program did you use?

Look, I used the technique of photoshop. It takes a while to do it, and yet the results are not exactly the right geometry (tapering to the top). Just to get an idea. :lol:

And I stopped on this floor (88), because it is the top floor has the same height as all down. Thereafter, the upper floors have different measures, so it becomes difficult to make a cool image.

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6131/6190985468_077b19984c_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/icepeak/6190985468/)
gate to the new world (http://www.flickr.com/photos/icepeak/6190985468/) by Marco Hornung (http://www.flickr.com/people/icepeak/), on Flickr

Wow, this pic is great!
I can see the 4 WTC. I'm glad, that it is visible now, too, and doesn't hide behind the other skyscrapers :banana:

That last picture is breathtakingly beautiful!

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6131/6190985468_077b19984c_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/icepeak/6190985468/)
gate to the new world (http://www.flickr.com/photos/icepeak/6190985468/) by Marco Hornung (http://www.flickr.com/people/icepeak/), on Flickr

This pic may go down on one of those hoardings at WTC 20 years from now where it'll say "The rise of WTC in 2011" :)

Epic picture! :banana:

NYTT is a joke being considered now as taller than 1WTC ,lol

Yeah I know, but the fact is that it's taller..But I agree that it can't be more idiotic..

great view!

It's possible that will be completed steel construction (roof) around christmas?? and in new year came sphire probably in january or february???

I'm just asking

tnx

^^ In January or February the roof should be topped out. Then there is still some work to do before they can start the construction of the spire. The construction of the spire itself will take a half year :cheers:

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6164/6197719045_60b5f94046_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kedarmehta/6197719045/)
Wake me up when September ends... World trade center (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kedarmehta/6197719045/) von kedar.mehta.photography (http://www.flickr.com/people/kedarmehta/) auf Flickr

Morning in NYC 1st October 2011
http://i51.tinypic.com/s4ri8i.jpg
Earthcam. World Trade Center Cams. http://www.earthcam.com/usa/newyork/worldtradecenter/?cam=tower1 . EarthCam, Inc

Seems like they need a fresh supply of the corner cladding pieces.. :lol:

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6007/6199559806_d6dd94627a_b.jpg
Photo by jennifercarbone (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jennifercarbone/)

Cool!

But this last picture is not from today?

So in wich floor they are?

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6131/6190985468_077b19984c_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/icepeak/6190985468/)
gate to the new world (http://www.flickr.com/photos/icepeak/6190985468/) by Marco Hornung (http://www.flickr.com/people/icepeak/), on Flickr

wonderfull. i always thought those kinda pics showed d gateway to america. but since wtc was gone it wasnt enymore. but now it will look fantastic again. cant wait to see all buildings finished.

How epic will that shot look when 2WTC and 3WTC are built! The gap will be filled! :D

But this last picture is not from today?

So in wich floor they are?

84th.

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6007/6199559806_d6dd94627a_b.jpg
Photo by jennifercarbone (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jennifercarbone/)

That's beautiful!

Beautiful pics!
Wow, I want to be a construction worker at the top of the spire.
:drool:

...

Morning in NYC 1st October 2011
http://i51.tinypic.com/s4ri8i.jpg
Earthcam. World Trade Center Cams. http://www.earthcam.com/usa/newyork/worldtradecenter/?cam=tower1 . EarthCam, Inc

New York = Best city in the world.

...

What means "..."

Folks, I find it very frustrating that we don't have a clear number on 1WTC roof height (parapet height). Is it now 1368 feet or 1373 feet? STR and SSP thread say it's 1373 feet but Spectre and SSP diagrams say it's 1368 feet, thats's really confusing :dunno:

Folks, I find it very frustrating that we don't have a clear number on 1WTC roof height (parapet height). Is it now 1368 feet or 1373 feet? STR and SSP thread say it's 1373 feet but Spectre and SSP diagrams say it's 1368 feet, thats's really confusing :dunno:

I believe it all depends on where they take the elevation. 1WTC isn't built on 100% flat ground. There is a slight slope. From one side its 1368, another its 1373. Just accept it and move on.

^^ Don't feed the troll, allthough he trolls in an advanced manner.

I believe it all depends on where they take the elevation. 1WTC isn't built on 100% flat ground. There is a slight slope. From one side its 1368, another its 1373. Just accept it and move on.

But which one should be accepted as the official one, as the no.1 measure? :dunno:

1373 will be the official height to the parapet. 1787 will be the official height though, although I know you don't care about that.

What means "..."

I have no idea, just a random grumpy moderator I guess lol

Folks, I find it very frustrating that we don't have a clear number on 1WTC roof height (parapet height). Is it now 1368 feet or 1373 feet? STR and SSP thread say it's 1373 feet but Spectre and SSP diagrams say it's 1368 feet, thats's really confusing :dunno:

First of all let me clarify that the parapet elevation is not equal to the roof elevation.
http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/554/elevations.jpg
Original photo (http://adrosol.com/view-sample/flat-roof-and-parapet-wall/id/51)

Usually buildings that display a flat roof at the top also include a small wall called parapet at the very edge of the roof (see image above). In these cases ordinary people don't give importance to the true elevation numbers, since the distance between roof-parapet is pretty small.
But post-modernist & 21st century skyscrapers are far more complicated than their predecessors: new concepts appear and the distance between roof and parapet sometimes varies in a larger rank. This, along many other reasons, caused CTBUH to change their height criteria:

CTBUH changes height criteria, Burj Dubai height increases (http://www.ctbuh.org/AboutCTBUH/WorkingGroups/Height/091117_PR_HeightCriteria/tabid/1273/language/en-US/Default.aspx)
Also in response to the changing designs and forms of tall buildings, the Height Committee has elected to discard its previous “Height to Roof” category. “The roof category just doesn’t make sense anymore,” said CTBUH Executive Director Antony Wood. “In the era of the flat-topped modernist tower, a clearly defined roof could usually be identified, but in today’s tall building world—which is increasingly adopting elaborate forms, spires, parapets and other features at the top of the building—it is becoming difficult to determine a ‘roof’ at all, even less so to measure to it.”

One WTC is not the exeption, the top of parapet is 33' 8" above the highest point of the roof. I say "highest" because also the roof is not completely flat as many people may think, it is sloped towards drains so rain water can go to collection tanks located at the basement and throughout the tower.

But which one should be accepted as the official one, as the no.1 measure? :dunno:
CTBUH guidelines say that the lowest-open-air entrance should be counted as the official starting point of measurement. I ENCOURAGE you to read these guidelines (http://ctbuh.org/TallBuildings/HeightStatistics/Criteria/tabid/446/language/en-US/Default.aspx), as I previously suggested to.



http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/554/elevations.jpg

I say "highest" because also the roof is not completely flat as many people may think, it is sloped towards drains so rain water can go to collection tanks located at the basement and throughout the tower.

Oh ok, I was wondering about that. Thanks

Is 1WTC structurally more akin to older skyscrapers like Empire State building because it has more concrete and reinforced material, rather than a tube structure, or a bit of both? The Twins basically relied on their rigid outer structure for their support. Does 1WTC have a similar design? Btw, I really like the look of the blue reflective glass gives a really modern look to it!

^Tower One is a mixture of both: a hybrid tube structure with a monotholitic core. Much of the loads go straight to the core, while the rest to the perimeter columns. The outer structure was designed in such a way that in any event that a column failed, the gravity loads of the floors above travel to alternative load paths in adjacent columns. Unlike the twins, the inner columns that form the core are encased in rebar and super-concrete; the core compressive strength is higher than any other typical office skyscraper; varying from 8,000 psi (used in the roof) up to 14,000 psi (base).
The base is even stronger than the rest of the tower: the entire frame can withstand the loss of as many as 3 of 6 perimeter columns on any side of the podium. ;)

Otie, those were the two best answers I've seen given to a query anywhere on this forum. Awesome. Very helpful diagram, too! :okay:

Wow, Otie! :uh: I bet you are secretly one of the designers. :lol:

EDIT: I'm going to screenshot that answer and save it. ^l^

@Otie

Wow, good work! Thanks for this helpful answer. :cheers2:

I have no idea, just a random grumpy moderator I guess lol

He's one of the best moderators around here..Maybe he wanted to write something but changed his mind..I don't even know why's that important now..People here just waiting for smallest sign to go off topic..Even 3 dots are enough to make discussion why that guy wrote 3 dots..:ohno:

Otie, great job in this..;)

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6166/6201525123_ed4f055a96_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ryanbudhu/6201525123/)
One World Trade Center: October 2011 Construction Progress (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ryanbudhu/6201525123/) by RBudhu (http://www.flickr.com/people/ryanbudhu/), on Flickr

Otie thank you very much for your response. It was very helpfull to me :cheers:

o wow, 3WTC is obviously already above street level. i didn't know that. It looks like it's about 5 meters (16 ft.) tall

I think it's time for a new PA cam update :cheers:

http://oxblue.com/archive/487d07189e5fd2b7edce94fc0bcf4b68/800x600.jpg

My page on the new WTC :)

http://newyorkyimby.blogspot.com/p/new-world-trade-center.html

I will also be going down to photograph the building very soon, maybe today... will be sure to post pictures here! It's rising so fast now!

1 WTC is certainly a nice building but to me it does not seem to be a really jaw-dropping project. 1 WTC could do way better if they would replace the oversized antenna with additional floors. 1 WTC will look like a average skyscraper in a few years not beeing capable to substitute for the lack of the twin towers in any way.

In the league of supertalls 1 WTC looks a bit boring and not too cutting edge. Check out http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?searchID=201 to see where I got this impression from.

I think it's time for a new PA cam update :cheers:



I have this webcam as my desktop background :)

^^ :lol:

@radiantbeamer

1: It isn't an antenna, it's a spire!!!!
2: I've already said it too, I think the spire is oversized, but what shall I do? I have to live with that ;)

^^ :lol:

@radiantbeamer

1: It isn't an antenna, it's a spire!!!!
2: I've already said it too, I think the spire is oversized, but what shall I do? I have to live with that ;)

My wife gives me a hard time right now because we have nothing comparable to 1 WTC in Austria so 1 WTC has to be simply jaw-dropping to folks like me. Interesting way of reasoning ;-) Antenna or spire: It does not add anything substantial to the building. Why bother to fix a spire to the roof? Just admit that you did not have the guts and/or money to realize a taller building. :lol:

Otie thank you very much for your response. It was very helpfull to me :cheers:

Glad I could help. Now you do your part, learn and understand that the roofs are pretty difficult to determine on these new skyscraper designs (1990+). I don't want you to change of mind, just let you know the reasons of the height criteria changing.
I never thought I would say this but also I appreciate you're here Kanto, truely; you're asking questions that I'm sure alot of people here have but are shy to ask, also you're somehow forcing me to research even more than I would probably do, which enrich me even more.. Thanks!

1 WTC is certainly a nice building but to me it does not seem to be a really jaw-dropping project.

Have you ever seen it in person? IMO it is pretty jaw-dropping.. :cheers:

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6161/6202565812_9f99262996_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/18162270@N00/6202565812/)
1 World Trade Center (http://www.flickr.com/photos/18162270@N00/6202565812/) by p.m.s. (http://www.flickr.com/people/18162270@N00/), on Flickr

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6174/6145437940_dce33aa5b1_b.jpg
:banana:

^The photographer disabled HTML/BBcode, try going to "Actions", "View all sizes" and once you're in there, just copy and paste the image's url.

1 WTC is certainly a nice building but to me it does not seem to be a really jaw-dropping project. 1 WTC could do way better if they would replace the oversized antenna with additional floors. 1 WTC will look like a average skyscraper in a few years not beeing capable to substitute for the lack of the twin towers in any way.

In the league of supertalls 1 WTC looks a bit boring and not too cutting edge. Check out http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?searchID=201 to see where I got this impression from.

I know the mecca clock tower is a far Superior design yeah right please give me a break :bash:

I was thinking. Instead of just having a spire up to 1,776 ft tall. We could just ass a pyramid to that height. At the top would be a stunning observation deck having many different floors and a tiny plaza you can look straight up to the sky above. Or just make the observation deck floors lower and have a communication antenna area bringing the tower to 2,000 ft. Genius? :banana:

Interesting, though late.

Muy buenos avances de este proyecto.
Saludos desde Iquique - Chile

:cheers:

Glad I could help. Now you do your part, learn and understand that the roofs are pretty difficult to determine on these new skyscraper designs (1990+). I don't want you to change of mind, just let you know the reasons of the height criteria changing.
I never thought I would say this but also I appreciate you're here Kanto, truely; you're asking questions that I'm sure alot of people here have but are shy to ask, also you're somehow forcing me to research even more than I would probably do, which enrich me even more.. Thanks!

Thanks, I appreciate that :cheers:

Btw, parapets and crowns should be counted to a building's height because they are a true part of the building. I only have a grudge against spires since they are just thin steel sticks like antennas.

I have this webcam as my desktop background

LOL, I'm a skyscraper fanatic too, I have the Twins as wallpaper :banana2:

LOL, I'm a skyscraper fanatic too, I have the Twins as wallpaper :banana2:

Who isn't it in this forum? :lol:
Of course, me too :cheers:

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6166/6201525123_ed4f055a96_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ryanbudhu/6201525123/)
One World Trade Center: October 2011 Construction Progress (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ryanbudhu/6201525123/) by RBudhu (http://www.flickr.com/people/ryanbudhu/), on Flickr

Thank you, Dino! That's beautiful. I love how it towers over 7 WTC.

Here are some photos of 1 WTC I took during my visit to the 911 Memorial on Friday. Some of the pics are from a Canon G12 and some are from an iPhone. Enjoy. :tup:

http://www.wtcphotos.com/photos/911memorialVisit_2011-09-30/1wtc/wtc1_memorialVisit_p1.jpg


http://www.wtcphotos.com/photos/911memorialVisit_2011-09-30/1wtc/wtc1_memorialVisit_p2.jpg


http://www.wtcphotos.com/photos/911memorialVisit_2011-09-30/1wtc/wtc1_memorialVisit_p3.jpg


http://www.wtcphotos.com/photos/911memorialVisit_2011-09-30/1wtc/wtc1_memorialVisit_p4.jpg


http://www.wtcphotos.com/photos/911memorialVisit_2011-09-30/1wtc/wtc1_memorialVisit_p5.jpg


http://www.wtcphotos.com/photos/911memorialVisit_2011-09-30/1wtc/wtc1_memorialVisit_p6.jpg


http://www.wtcphotos.com/photos/911memorialVisit_2011-09-30/1wtc/wtc1_memorialVisit_p7.jpg


http://www.wtcphotos.com/photos/911memorialVisit_2011-09-30/1wtc/wtc1_memorialVisit_p8.jpg


http://www.wtcphotos.com/photos/911memorialVisit_2011-09-30/1wtc/wtc1_memorialVisit_p9.jpg


http://www.wtcphotos.com/photos/911memorialVisit_2011-09-30/1wtc/wtc1_memorialVisit_p10.jpg


http://www.wtcphotos.com/photos/911memorialVisit_2011-09-30/1wtc/wtc1_memorialVisit_p11.jpg


http://www.wtcphotos.com/photos/911memorialVisit_2011-09-30/1wtc/wtc1_memorialVisit_p12.jpg


http://www.wtcphotos.com/photos/911memorialVisit_2011-09-30/1wtc/wtc1_memorialVisit_p13.jpg


http://www.wtcphotos.com/photos/911memorialVisit_2011-09-30/1wtc/wtc1_memorialVisit_p14.jpg


http://www.wtcphotos.com/photos/911memorialVisit_2011-09-30/1wtc/wtc1_memorialVisit_p15.jpg


http://www.wtcphotos.com/photos/911memorialVisit_2011-09-30/1wtc/wtc1_memorialVisit_p16.jpg


http://www.wtcphotos.com/photos/911memorialVisit_2011-09-30/1wtc/wtc1_memorialVisit_p17.jpg


http://www.wtcphotos.com/photos/911memorialVisit_2011-09-30/1wtc/wtc1_memorialVisit_p18.jpg

wow, that is a nice glass surface. :)

Beauty is the very definition!

Great pics!
:applause:

Great pics pnapp! Is the twin towers in your avatar really made from Legos? It looks pretty big!

^^Yes, I#m interested about this , too. :)

Great pics pnapp! Is the twin towers in your avatar really made from Legos? It looks pretty big!

LOL, I have 2 pairs of Twins and one Willis Tower from LEGO. It's pretty cool that LEGO still has a use even after I've grown up :banana2:

Btw, 1WTC's glass looks far better than 7WTC's. I like when the glass is without lines. It gives the impression of one huge mirror :cheers: