:wtf: :lol:



Hmmm ... yeah, ANY structure with make-belief floors is not a skyscraper I guess. Well, using your methodology, the CN Tower's upper observation deck is at floor 153. :lol:

And just for you:

:tiasd:


The CN tower is not not defined as a building so it never was a skyscraper. It has no value when being compared to skyscrapers. Acoording to the PANYNJ, the people who are building this building, there are over 102 floors. Just because you think it is less than that doesn't make it true. I guess the ICC doesn't have 118 floors then since it skips floors too. Go complain in that thread too. And I guess 7WTC doesn't have 52 floors since a few are skipped in the base. Go complain there as well.


Also, the Empire State Building doesn't have a spire. You can go all the way up to floor 102.

Which would be? Techiniquely those floors could be occupied as there is a pod where people can be located at the top of the spire that you speak of. I would use the word crown as a better description of the top of ESB.

Irrespective, I already stated that I accept the height calculation for ESB - it is the FT one that should actually be ~ 1,376', for certainly you can't climb inside the 'antenna'.

http://www.tech-notes.tv/History&Trivia/ANTENNAS%20ON%20ESB_files/ESB003.jpg

It's a good thing that your opinion is NOT VALID.

Irrespective, I already stated that I accept the height calculation for ESB - it is the FT one that should actually be ~ 1,376', for certainly you can't climb inside the 'antenna'.

http://www.tech-notes.tv/History&Trivia/ANTENNAS%20ON%20ESB_files/ESB003.jpg

I am not talking about or disputing 1 WTC. I am just stating that the spire as you call it in the ESB is itself occuppiable.

It's a good thing that your opinion is NOT VALID.

That in itself is a matter of opinion. It is valid to many, including vader11.

Guess you didn't like the 1,376' number, eh'?

I am not talking about or disputing 1 WTC. I am just stating that the spire as you call it in the ESB is itself occuppiable.

Fair enough - perhaps the Chrysler building would be a better example - top floor @ 899', roof @ 925', counted height 1,047'

I do like the ESB method for calculating height though - count it to the top point wherein you can actually occupy and don't have to be climbing on the outside!

I'll leave this alone now - certainly I've made my points, and there are differing opinions. We all know the reality of the buildings ...

I never understood all this height crap. The height of a building/structure should be from the very bottom to the tip of the structure itself, regardless of whether it is occupied floor space or not. You can't just discount something because it's 'not occupied'. That's like saying the spire of a building doesn't exist. Height is height. There should be no grey area.

I never understood all this height crap. The height of a building/structure should be from the very bottom to the tip of the structure itself, regardless of whether it is occupied floor space or not. You can't just discount something because it's 'not occupied'. That's like saying the spire of a building doesn't exist. Height is height. There should be no grey area.

I don´t agree with you, is not fair to have a small building with a very large antenna, (not spire, cause this does count as height) and say is taller than an obvious bigger building to the roof when looking at the structure itself (the real engineering is this part), is just not fair in my opinion.

I never understood all this height crap. The height of a building/structure should be from the very bottom to the tip of the structure itself, regardless of whether it is occupied floor space or not. You can't just discount something because it's 'not occupied'. That's like saying the spire of a building doesn't exist. Height is height. There should be no grey area.I disagree with you too. If a building with a roof of 200m and a 214m antenna(so 414m total), then it is said to be taller than the old WTC(south tower, 413m)? It is totally unfair.

I was supposed to read and see updates of Freedom Tower, not a nonsense discussion about spires and antennas of other different off-topic buildings !

:master: ^^

Foundation work seems to be completed. They're pouring the basement floor of the freedom tower. Btw I see green and 'normal' colored rebar. Why are there two colors. Different steelstrenghts or something?

thanks for resuming the main topic of this thread and thanks for your information as well.

anybody know which building in the complex will be completed first?
sry if it already ben asked.

Walli, did you really have to use 3 posts in a row to make your point about the spire? or floor counts? or w/e you talkin about? :ohno:

:master: ^^

Foundation work seems to be completed. They're pouring the basement floor of the freedom tower. Btw I see green and 'normal' colored rebar. Why are there two colors. Different steelstrenghts or something?

can anyone please post a close-up of the freedom Tower site from the Cam? unfortunately i can't see any pic after the redesign of the cam :(

Will the tower cranes climb as the building rises ( as in Chicago Trump and Aqua ) or will they be anchored to the bottom ( as in Chicago's Waterview ) ?

can anyone please post a close-up of the freedom Tower site from the Cam? unfortunately i can't see any pic after the redesign of the cam :(

No problem ;)
here is it:

http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/9985/unbenannt2wh5.th.gif (http://img133.imageshack.us/my.php?image=unbenannt2wh5.gif)

many thx tobyas33 :). i just found the solution for my problem...only the wrong browser ^^

So this 1 WTC will be almost exactly as high as the old ones were if not counting the spire. What's the hight to the roof then? 450+ meters?
When Petronas towers were built there were many people (most of them from US) wining about the spire giving it more hight, but now u do the same in your skyscraper. Shouldn't u say it's even now?

To my mind only the very top of BD can be counted as a spire, unlike in this and Petronas towers, which both have obvious spire on the roof.

what browser needs to be used to see the hi-def camera..

i've tried firefox, safari...i'm on a mac....can't see squat. !

what browser needs to be used to see the hi-def camera..

i've tried firefox, safari...i'm on a mac....can't see squat. !

it's not firefox

naahhh the spires shouldn't be included in the total height...


http://armoredsquirrel.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/PunkMohawk.jpg

this guy isn't taller than some people just because of the hair... :banana:

No other spire will be as cool as 1WTC's spire.


http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/7127/ft444qh3.jpg

http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/5193/ftrevgdewb3.gif

^^ 100% true!!!
they can say it doesn't count but they cant say it isn't cool.

what browser needs to be used to see the hi-def camera..

i've tried firefox, safari...i'm on a mac....can't see squat. !

You need to have flash player, maybe that's the problem.

^^ 100% true!!!
they can say it doesn't count but they cant say it isn't cool.

does it count towards the official height?

does it count towards the official height?
officially yes but many people have said it doesnt.

Oh please, can we get past this damn spire talk already? :bash:

It's nice to look at the cam and see really visible progress actually taking place. For me, construction on this building is finally starting to get interesting! :cheers:

@Ebola: I doubt that this spire in realitiy will be as cool as in the first rendering, but we will see. I hope so, but too often, pictures of unbuilt skyscrapers look better than in reality after being built.

what browser needs to be used to see the hi-def camera..

i've tried firefox, safari...i'm on a mac....can't see squat. !
try with internet explorer..

btw: I cant believe that the foundation is completed.. :banana:

No other spire will be as cool as 1WTC's spire.


http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/7127/ft444qh3.jpg


http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/5193/ftrevgdewb3.gif

it's gonna be awesome.. I love it..

is it actually gonna have that light show? :D

I don't know if there will be a "light show" but the light(s) that will be on the tower will shine up to 1,000 ft in the air, or something like that so no matter what the lighting will be spectacular.

I don't know if there will be a "light show" but the light(s) that will be on the tower will shine up to 1,000 ft in the air I, or something like that so no matter what the lighting will be spectacular.

Such graphics of the mast are just hype - there will not be any such light show.

It would be cool with that light at night..

It will be fantastic view

Cool.

i just want to see this skyscraper begin to rise from the ground,

I hope they just surprise all of us and end up building twins =)

i just want to see this skyscraper begin to rise from the ground,

Then I suggest you take a look at the earthcam. it is rising. They've placed the rebar for the walls of the core and are installing the formwork. I guess they'll pour it soon. :cheers:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/wtcmm.jpg

Such graphics of the mast are just hype - there will not be any such light show.


You wish.

The spire will be able to change colors and cast many beams of light into the sky; this information has been known for about a year. There are news articles that detail it more.

I'd like to see an extended version of the Pacific Bell microwave tower, (the one that sits on top of the 17 story Pacbell switching center in downtown Los Angeles) on top of WTC 1, for two reasons,

One, the design closely resembles the FT, esp. if it's orientation is right angeled to the roof.

Two, it can be structurally part of the building, (like Taipei 101) adding another 200' to the height, leaving the last 150' for the actual antenna.

I hope they just surprise all of us and end up building twins =)

lol, yeah that would be funny, and the spire looks really cool!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/wtcmm.jpg
:master:

in the very near future they'll pour the first UG floor with concrete

http://www.nysun.com/article/63129
Port Authority May Sell Parts of Freedom Tower

By Special to the Sun
September 21, 2007

In a move that could lessen the state's ownership stake in the Freedom Tower, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey is moving forward with a search for possible financial partners for the building.

The Port Authority, a state agency that currently is the sole owner of the planned Freedom Tower, yesterday announced it hired Deutsche Bank to perform the work to determine the feasibility of bringing in equity partners.

While the agency has not committed to selling off some or all of the building, the feasibility study marks a clear step in that direction.

"We're looking at any and all options," a Port Authority spokesman, Steven Coleman, said.

The Port Authority owns the entire 16-acre site at ground zero, though it is leasing the land for the other three towers to developer Larry Silverstein.

the spire is gonna be amazing

is it actually gonna have that light show? :D

No, but there will still be a ton of lights on it, and I'm not sure if the spire is going to have some light refracting quality (or something of the like) that would make light that hits the spire spread throughout Lower Manhattan. I doubt it though.

You wish.

The spire will be able to change colors and cast many beams of light into the sky; this information has been known for about a year. There are news articles that detail it more.

I'm not the only one saying there will not be a light show like the one depicted in the graphics, so perhaps it is time to accept reality.

I'm not the only one saying there will not be a light show like the one depicted in the graphics, so perhaps it is time to accept reality.

^^ :lol: What is this the 3rd grade where if someone else says it it's true? I highly doubt either of you are working as part of the project, and unless you are I willbelieve what is stated in articles and renderings than what you have to say.

Perhaps it's time to not be self-absorbed. It's not going to look wholly like those renderings because they're years old it's not possibe to shoot mulitple beams of light over a mile in every direction, but the top of the building will be a light show, much better than the ESB and any other building in the world. According to the Libeskind, the spire is going to be the most important and showy part of the building.
"The spire that tops the tower will feature a revolving beacon that can change color and cast beams of light into the sky."

I wonder exactly what "revolving beacon" means.

^^ probably a circle of spotlights that can revolve around the spire, when looking down at the roof

They must be concealed b/c I've never seen any of the lights in any of the renderings.

idc rele, the picture with the red dprie looks cool enough..

maybe itll be a miniature new years ball at the top of the spire or something, who knows; i dont even like hong kongish lightshows. just speculating.

i wish they would just color the spire at night in coordination with metlife and the empire, keep it simple and blend it into manhattan.

Has there been progress the last months? I haven't seen any.. I think they're going extremely slow

there was much progress ^^. the core is taking shape finally in begins to rise now :)

i hope they suprise us with mile high twins. You digg

^It won't be at the WTC site if they do. You digg? :)

To Alejandrohl3: You should go back a couple of pages...:bash:

Finally some movement! (4postsleft:banana:)

i hope they suprise us with mile high twins. You digg

that won't happen. the foundations are not thick enough and there're not enough steel beams to support the weight of such a tower. And don't expect twins. It's not going to happen.

The formwork seems to be almost done around the core walls. I suspect that when it is completed you should see a pour of the walls.

the formwork insdide the core is ready, the outside still need to be installed (I thought). They're now working on connecting the rebar. I think we'll see the pouring within 2 weeks :cheers:

already in 2 weeks? wonderful, can't wait :)

Thanks for the Updates :)

nice style from the building

that won't happen. the foundations are not thick enough and there're not enough steel beams to support the weight of such a tower. And don't expect twins. It's not going to happen.

There will be no changes of any kind to this project as planned, now it's about getting it complete within the timeframe, which i believe is 2015.

With as long as it took to get to this point, i'm just glad to see the foundation of this tower progressing without interruption.!!!!!

lol they will be completed long before 2015, they said wtc will be completed in 2011, or 2012

^^ I'm not sure. they're now pouring the floor of B4. I'll think they'll place the beams when thats done, but I'm not sure. It possible that they first want to build the core to groundlevel and then start building the basement floors. I'll guess it will happen between 1 and 6 months for now, but I'm far away from sure.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/wtcccc.jpg

lol they will be completed long before 2015, they said wtc will be completed in 2011, or 2012

All the better, it was stalled way to long.

The thing i wish we could see, is all four towers coming out of the ground at the same time,............that would be the shisnit.!!!

its about d**n time we see some real progress here!

So what exactly is all that down there going on?
Just basement levels?

It says on wiki that it might be finished by 2009? I think that is possible.

courtesy wtcrising


September WTC 1 construction update....

http://www.wtcrising.com/images/FE/chain217siteType8/site187/client/photoGallery/193/IMG_4672%20(Large)_big.JPG

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WOW Great updates... .Thank you :sleepy:

Yo Carlos you are the man .

yeah :| the "man"

Great updates, thanks guys. Keep the pictures coming.
It's nice to see some visual structural components of the building starting to rise.

courtesy wtcrising

I will go back this weekend and look around.....

http://www.wtcrising.com/images/FE/chain217siteType8/site187/client/photoGallery/193/IMG_4672%20(Large)_big.JPG

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Very nice! High-five!



http://www.wtcrising.com/images/FE/chain217siteType8/site187/client/photoGallery/201/WTC%20Workers%20(27)_big.JPG

http://www.wtcrising.com/images/FE/chain217siteType8/site187/client/photoGallery/201/WTC%20Workers%20(8)_big.JPG

WOW!!!!! Impressive! :applause:

Carlos123, I'm curious how did you get the picture that look down between two luffing cranes? That picture is amazing!

http://www.wtcrising.com/images/FE/chain217siteType8/site187/client/photoGallery/201/WTC%20Workers%20(8)_big.JPG

reminds me of a Southern California Edison commercial. They area a major water and energy provdier for SoCal and all the commercials show two workers working on a telephone pole

WOW!!!!! Impressive! :applause:

Carlos123, I'm curious how did you get the picture that look down between two luffing cranes? That picture is amazing!


Hey Crazy dude, those fotos are courtesy of WTCRISING....i was not fortunate to snap them myself....but i do my best... :banana:

Hey Crazy dude, those fotos are courtesy of WTCRISING....i was not fortunate to snap them myself....but i do my best... :banana:

Sorry! I missed that because of really fading fonts of "Courtesy of WTCRISING".

You did great jobs at another pictures too! :) :cheers:

great updates! love the pics! really shows how this project is coming along!

Now this is where the "real" enginnering comes into play, i'm wondering,..we have, One outer (south) wall, being loaded on iron with concrete encasement.!!......But how are the other three walls going to be loaded.??

It should prove........Interesting.!!!!.

WOW!!!!!! Those are great shots and the last one is amazing :cheers1: Im coming to NY in less then a week and cant wait to take a look.

Hello everyone, I was at The site today and there is a lot , I mean A LOT of activity there. As far as a vantage point to watch, there really isn't one that I found. To many things and fences in the way. Believe me when I say this, It's a lot better to watch the development on this web site or from the web cam. This was the first time I visited there since the tragic day and I was very moved. I hope to go there again in the spring of next year.
Keep those pictures coming guys they are the best.

Thanks,
Lance

These are great news !!! Finally, 1 WTC is growing up notoriously !

Great to see some real construction work going on. Concrete finally making her way.

http://www.wtcrising.com/images/FE/chain217siteType8/site187/client/photoGallery/193/DSC_0151%20(Large)_big.JPG
Anyone know what type of cranes these are? How will they jack them up as the tower rises?

^^ Those cranes are from Liebherr's HC-L series. more info about them can be found here: http://www.liebherr.com/cc/en/34298.asp
They'll increase the height of it by placing new sections in the mast (the black painted part of this crane), but it's also possible to let the crane climb in a lift shaft.

Two more of those tower cranes will be added in November. At one point, there will be over 30 tower cranes in that small section of lower Manhattan

They are actually FAVELLE-FAVCO cranes.. either 440 or 600D's.... they run on diesel..... they were most likely made at the FAVELLE factory in Texas..

NEW YORK Crane owns quite a few FAVS... and yes they will climb through to the towers whether they be concrete or steel... the base plate at the moment is for lifting through steel... but that could change.

They are great cranes... and Australian invention... Both the WTC towers were built with some of the orginal models... they called them Kangaroos Cranes!!

www.favellefavco.com

Carlos is like the Peter Parker of NY skyscrapers...

It's great to finally see real progress in here, however I'm familiar with very different building techniques, so I can't make out what's really going on in there.

Tag_one, abc - thanks for the crane info. The Liebherr HC-L look similar to the Favelle ones. Does the red base support move up the black sections as the crane height is increased?

WOOT! Great to see it taking some form now.

it does feel good to see some real progress that the site. I can wait to start seeing in peek out of the downtown skyline.

Tag_one, abc - thanks for the crane info. The Liebherr HC-L look similar to the Favelle ones. Does the red base support move up the black sections as the crane height is increased?

Sought of...depends how they jack.... but if you want see one of these cranes going up right now... then go to this link... ..

http://www.scgt.nsw.gov.au/SCG-Cam.html

It would be cool with that light at night..

Yeah, I'm sure it would be absolutely hilarious for the residents nearby when this light would dazzle them and their windows every night, year after year :)

I think the spire is quite normal looking. If compared to the old spire, it hasn't got too much differences. And this spire shouldn't be counted to the official hight. But if they do count it, they mention the hight to the roof too.

a spire is no antenna, so it counts to the height. when you let out this spire in counting you've to let out every spire in the world!

Yeah, I'm sure it would be absolutely hilarious for the residents nearby when this light would dazzle them and their windows every night, year after year :)

Hahahahahaha!!!

a spire is no antenna, so it counts to the height. when you let out this spire in counting you've to let out every spire in the world!
yeah and that counts for Petronas towers too.

a spire is no antenna, so it counts to the height. when you let out this spire in counting you've to let out every spire in the world!

Regaurdless if it's a spire or an antenna, it is still structual height in that it's not occupied hence its cheating.

Tal, go say that at every thread in which the building uses a spire. You'll be posting so much that your hands will fall off.


The CTB's law is holy law.

Anyway, I wonder if you could actually go up into FT's spire. Maybe you can since there will be lights to change and whatnot.

Two more of those tower cranes will be added in November. At one point, there will be over 30 tower cranes in that small section of lower Manhattan

30 tower cranes!?!?! WOW! Where did you get that information from?

30 tower cranes!?!?! WOW! Where did you get that information from?

OVER 30 tower cranes; the New York Times. It seems about right considering all the new skyscrapers in the area.


All of these new skyscrapers are a direct result from 9/11. We should all say thanks to Bin Laden. Thank you, Bin Laden, for all the new towers. :lol:

OVER 30 tower cranes; the New York Times. It seems about right considering all the new skyscrapers in the area.

Can you please give me the link of that article?

It was from about 11 months ago so no. But I've seen it mentioned in a few other articles too. Maybe you can find it if you use Google or Google News and look at the archives. I recall it saying that there would be 34 tower cranes in this area by the end of 2008.

it will be lookin like dubai!!

It is undoubtly the "World's Tallest" something. :cheers:

The CTB will address Freedom Tower as the world's tallest office building. I know how happy that makes certain people. Well just eat it. :lol:

i wonder where the steel originates.

Um, the Earth! ;)

Seeing that many tower cranes so close together in the USA will be quite the spectacle, GO NYC! :cheers:

i wonder where the steel originates.

Superman. Hence the name 'Man of steel.'

Superman. Hence the name 'Man of steel.'

hahahahahahah

hilarious....


It is really wonderful to see this progress, it really gives me hope!

Tal, go say that at every thread in which the building uses a spire. You'll be posting so much that your hands will fall off.


The CTB's law is holy law.

Anyway, I wonder if you could actually go up into FT's spire. Maybe you can since there will be lights to change and whatnot.

Ebola, just b/c a bunch of architect snobs say it, doesn't mean they are right, and it's called CTBUH.

also at skyscrapers you need standarts TalB, without them it would be an absolutely chaos

ehhh they have a lot more say and significance than you.

btw when are they supposed to start working 24/7? i heard they were going to in order to meet the jan 1. deadline. i noticed just now on cam that they dont even work sundays? grrrr speed it up

nice progression...great insider pics

Now is a see a big diference in the construction. I glad to see that. New York you can do it.

btw when are they supposed to start working 24/7? i heard they were going to in order to meet the jan 1. deadline. i noticed just now on cam that they dont even work sundays? grrrr speed it up

yes they could speed up a lot when working 7 days a week....at day and at night

last monday cam offered more higher-res shots lol... but you cant see wtc1 or anything else.. pretty much just the street

http://www.earthcam.net/cams2/snapshot/temp/445mhview_mx1QbMNR_s.jpg


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ok i have no idea how this post was 'posted'

post #2632 was the one i posted, not this one. wtf.

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They poured more of the basement floor just to the south of the cranes. Did not notice when they poured that but only a corner of the basement floor now needs pouring :)

yeh, i just saw it on the cam. wonderful to see so much and fast progress now

That's interesting to look at that high resolution webcam where u can zoom in and out etc. To me there's not much progress yet, but I hope there will be soon. Do you know when the ground work is done, and it's time to build the floors?

For those who haven't found this:
http://www.earthcam.net/users2/interface.php?i=0&id=445&projectid=202&clientid=158

edit nvm that pic was huuuuuuge

too huge, it almost broke my monitor

^^ I'm not sure. they're now pouring the floor of B4. I'll think they'll place the beams when thats done, but I'm not sure. It possible that they first want to build the core to groundlevel and then start building the basement floors. I'll guess it will happen between 1 and 6 months for now, but I'm far away from sure.

Don't be surprised if there is another delay on that, b/c it won't be the first, and I doubt it would be the last either.

That's interesting to look at that high resolution webcam where u can zoom in and out etc. To me there's not much progress yet, but I hope there will be soon. Do you know when the ground work is done, and it's time to build the floors?

For those who haven't found this:
http://www.earthcam.net/users2/interface.php?i=0&id=445&projectid=202&clientid=158

The amount of progress depends on what you call progress. ;)
Currently they're pouring sections of the floor of the basement. This includes leveling the ground, placing a layer of sand and plasic sheets on it. Then they'll install rebar and pour the basement floor. Appart from that they're also installing sewer and draining pipes in the ground. This takes it time and isn't the most spectacular part, but it's needed to build the FT. When this is finnished it will become much more interresting. :cheers:
btw, work on the core is slow. The rebar in the core should be finnished by now and pouring can begin when they've placed the formwork on the outside of the core.

too huge, it almost broke my monitor

It wouldn't even fit my 60" LCD

All of this "progress" is nothing compared to what will be going on in a few months.

Some info on the cranes...

They are Favelle Favco M760s...

Lead contractor Tishman is renting them from Favco dealer JF Lomma.

The cranes have a maximum load of 64t (141,000 lbs) and can lift 4.4t (9,700 lb) at 70m (230 ft) jib-end.

Maximum hoist speed is 160m/min (525ft/min).

So when they reach the top... it'll be about a 3 minute haul from ground level.

The amount of progress depends on what you call progress. ;)
Currently they're pouring sections of the floor of the basement. This includes leveling the ground, placing a layer of sand and plasic sheets on it. Then they'll install rebar and pour the basement floor. Appart from that they're also installing sewer and draining pipes in the ground. This takes it time and isn't the most spectacular part, but it's needed to build the FT. When this is finnished it will become much more interresting. :cheers:
btw, work on the core is slow. The rebar in the core should be finnished by now and pouring can begin when they've placed the formwork on the outside of the core.

Well, obviously :) To me progress means something u can see without peeping into the hole ;) I understand there are many things that have to be done first. What kind of skyscraper stands on the ground level without any basement work done, anyway?

Will they start building the core first and when it's rising, then the floors?

yes, the core will rise first

yes, the core will rise first

Okey. I asume there's not a core in a highrise which is only about 90 meters high? When they built a residential building to our neighbourhood, there wasn't any core rising, just the floors. They used some basic wall element lifted by a crane.

Well, obviously :) To me progress means something u can see without peeping into the hole ;) I understand there are many things that have to be done first. What kind of skyscraper stands on the ground level without any basement work done, anyway?

Will they start building the core first and when it's rising, then the floors?

yeah I can understand that, those things mostly become interresting when you've to draw them yourself :lol:

To answer your question about the core, well actually every building has a core :) The core of a building creates stability and absorbs the wind loads. In highrise office buildings like the FT those cores are clearly vissible. In residential buildings the core is not always vissible. This is because the walls between the appartments can handle most of the windloads, that way the core of the tower can be much smaller (a liftshaft for exemple) or is not necessary any more. Like what happend to the residential in your neighbourhood, which works as an huge core.

Well, obviously :) To me progress means something u can see without peeping into the hole ;) I understand there are many things that have to be done first. What kind of skyscraper stands on the ground level without any basement work done, anyway?

Will they start building the core first and when it's rising, then the floors?

Chicago Aqua, drilled the caissons as usual, then just put the mat in at and above ground level --- still strikes me a wrong .

( frin Steely Dan on SSP )
http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/264/aqua35jn.jpg

(mine)
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1113/822345939_d98f0388b7.jpg?v=0

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/wtcjkjkjjj.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/wtclklklkl.jpg

omg at pics,:banana: finally walls start rising :cheers:

last time I been there, it was an big empty hole.

very slow progress, but im sure it will fly up from now :)
very cool building, will be (another) icon for NewYork when built.

Of course, the flag was missing... :lol:

Anyway, thx for the pics, carlos.

Keep in mind that is a shot of the pathway, not the FT.

Keep in mind that is a shot of the pathway, not the FT.

:applause: :applause:

Keep in mind that is a shot of the pathway, not the FT.


It's structurally part of and connected to the Freedom Tower. It's also the the pathway to the WFC, I think.

http://i20.tinypic.com/9sxxdx.jpg

Wow, this has progressed a LOT since last time I checked in. Good to see.

October 4, 2007

:cool:

the whole site is buzzing with activity....nothing coming out of the ground yet but all 16 acres are seeing some action!!!

I actually went to the south part of the site....since the WTC1 is pretty much the same as the last time around....



:(

the old mall space is nothing but........empty space...this is the same exact spot where i used to buy my candy!!!!.:(


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture009.jpg

:)

the temporary entrance to PATH has been covered in canvas...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture013-1.jpg


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see ya ...until next trip!!!!

:cheers:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture022.jpg

Awesome as always, thanks very much for the pics! :banana:

The glass on GS looks incredibly dark, but I like the way it looks.

7WTC looks so unreal, like a rendered image!

thank you so much Carlos :)

Wow great pctures Carlos! Always glad to see new updates. Can someone throw the link to the WTC webcam. Thanks in advance!

Magic!!

wow site becoming a crane heaven, go WTC :nuts:

hi :) im goin to new york in about 2 weeks so do you think i'll be able to see much going on? just wondering because im taking my camera and want to get some good piccies :D

^^ for sure! Maybe they've already poured the first floor of the core by then.
thanks for the pictures Carlos, I loved to see the pictures of the excavation of the east bathtub :cheers:

^^ WKD :D i'll have to take a lotta pics then to mark such an occasion!! :D

October 4, 2007
the temporary entrance to PATH has been covered in canvas...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture013-1.jpg





YEAA Century 21! Mama need a pair of new shoe :)

^^ WKD :D i'll have to take a lotta pics then to mark such an occasion!! :D

Great!!! bring lots of film or memory cards!!! :lol:

http://www.downtownexpress.com/de_230/reportersnotebook.html
Volume 20 Issue 21 | October 5 - 11 2007

Working 20-7

Residents also took their pleas about sleepless nights to the Port Authority. Glenn Guzzi and Quentin Braathwaite of the Port acknowledged that the agency’s current work along the eastern edge of the site — breaking up old concrete slabs and digging out 30 vertical feet of dirt and debris — is noisy, shaky and disruptive. They also acknowledged that while the Port’s crews strive to do their noisiest work during the day, it doesn’t always work out that way.

“We recognize that some noisy work does occur after 11 p.m.,” said Guzzi, who added that there would likely be aggressive jack-hammering for the next few weeks. The Port is pushing to meet its end-of-year deadline to turn part of the east bathtub over to Silverstein Properties so that Silverstein can build Towers 3 and 4. The Port must pay $300,000 for every day it is late.

Brathwaite said that at times between now and the end of the year, the Port will work two 10-hour shifts a day. While most of the eastern slurry wall is complete, the state-city agency is only 40 percent through the task of excavating the sites.


“It’s quite an incredible amount of soil that has to be removed,” Brathwaite said.

As the dig goes on, the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner continues to do spot checks to ensure that there are no lingering human remains. The soil composition is also tested to make sure the dirt is compatible with various deposit sites outside the city.

The good news, the Port officials said, is that once the digging is done and the towers begin to go up, the neighborhood will experience shorter work hours and less noise. In the meantime, though, several board members asked why they could not be protected by sound barriers. The Port recently set up a wall of buffers along Church St. to mute the jack-hammers across from the Millenium Hotel.

Brathwaite said that those buffers would not help residents, since they can only mute sound occurring at street level. The dig on the southern side of the site, where the residents are, is well below grade — so the sound would continue traveling upward.

only 30 feet, I thought it was more. That some disappointing news :lol:
anyway great to hear they'll work 20-7.

7WTC looks so unreal, like a rendered image!

very true,but looks very classy as well.:)

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What tower do they build here?

tower 3 and tower 4. and in the background where you can see the two cranes tower 1

tower 3 and tower 4. and in the background where you can see the two cranes tower 1

????
No, I mean in the background!!
http://s2.directupload.net/images/071007/bwa8eiai.jpg (http://www.directupload.net)

http://s3.directupload.net/images/071007/deu73jrn.jpg (http://www.directupload.net)

????
No, I mean in the background!!

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=452972

NEW YORK | Goldman Sachs | 749ft | 43 fl

http://www.skyscraper.org/Pics/gt/walkthrough/goldman_water.jpg

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=452972

NEW YORK | Goldman Sachs | 749ft | 43 fl

http://www.skyscraper.org/Pics/gt/walkthrough/goldman_water.jpg

Thanks! :okay:

We're going to see more FT steel beams go up soon! :) I can't wait for 2008! By a little after then, it will be going up almost as fast as GS. By 9/11, the world would will see this amazing girl.

By then, Goldman Sachs will already be topped out and nearing completion.

I am so excited by the progogress. So, I am assuming that the parking structure of the former WTC6 will not be torn down before Freedom Tower rises? Is it part of the plan?

Also, anyone know where I can fing a super hi-res of this pic?http://www.wtcrising.com/images/FE/chain217siteType8/site187/client/photoGallery/189/7wtc%20at%20night_big.jpg

No, no, and no.

Freedom Tower's core is looking very, how you say, organized/well-made from the top.

I am so excited by the progogress. So, I am assuming that the parking structure of the former WTC6 will not be torn down before Freedom Tower rises? Is it part of the plan?

Also, anyone know where I can fing a super hi-res of this pic?http://www.wtcrising.com/images/FE/chain217siteType8/site187/client/photoGallery/189/7wtc%20at%20night_big.jpg

love the street experience of this building....divine.

I hope FT will beeven better (although I think I'm going to be disappointed...).

In your dreams. They have dozens of people assigned to the base alone.

In your dreams. They have dozens of people assigned to the base alone.

In my dreams actually I just sayd I hoped for it to be nice, but whatever..

They can have all the people they want, but the renderings just show a terrible base. But maybe they have changed it (I doubt it), in that case, I would be really happy. Have to wait till it is finished (by then probably I wont care anymore...)

They can have all the people they want, but the renderings just show a terrible base. But maybe they have changed it (I doubt it), in that case, I would be really happy. Have to wait till it is finished (by then probably I wont care anymore...)

i remember people hating the wtc7 base before it was completed =\

All the mechanical stuff is located in the first 3 floors of 7WTC, which is unusual for a skyscraper. That's why people didn't like the way it looked.

i remember people hating the wtc7 base before it was completed =\

Dude, I don't hate the base of FT, I just think it should be even better since it is such a special place. It has to be the top, because that is the only thing New York deserves. I'm not criticising it for some stupid reason (political, thought or what ever), but I want it to be the best base ever. I know I ask too much, but that is what I feel...

the base is bland, barren, and un-inviting, look up and you see beauty, but below you can hardly say there's anything worth looking at.

Get rid of the proposed fish bone train terminal, it looks like a joke.

^Obviously smoking something real good.

If all of the bases were very showy, it wouldn't look good anyway. The only base that really matters is 3WTC's base (because it's the center point of the WTC; everyone sees it no matter what), and it's by far "the best." We still don't even know that 1WTC's base is truly capable of yet, and that goes for all the bases too. It might be able to do stuff like change colors and we know it's made of thousands of pieces of highly reflective glass.

Update:

http://img458.imageshack.us/img458/5492/11qz0.jpg

so this is supposed to be completed before the Chicago Spire, correct?

Cool! A new page!!

/me eagerly awaits the page 135 threadcrap from Tal_B.

pics from wtcrising.com

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http://www.wtcrising.com/images/FE/chain217siteType8/site187/client/photoGallery/189/freedom%20tower%20overviewoct2007_big.jpg


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^^ WOW!!! Impressive!

pics from wtcrising.com

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Is that the bedrock in the middle, and the sides of the trench ? granite ?

Is that the bedrock in the middle, and the sides of the trench ? granite ?

Yea bedrock. Manhattan Schist to be exact.

Yea bedrock. Manhattan Schist to be exact.
that is so cool

Anyone know why the HD Cam on earthcam doesn't seem to be working for me? I have the latest version of flash, etc...on a mac using safari, explorer, netscape, firefox...nothing works!
:wtf:

Ever since they got all fancy schmancy with their interstellar camera, it doesn't work for me anymore....

and that live cam isn't worth me spit....can't see anything from that far....

Anyone know why the HD Cam on earthcam doesn't seem to be working for me? I have the latest version of flash, etc...on a mac using safari, explorer, netscape, firefox...nothing works!
:wtf:

Ever since they got all fancy schmancy with their interstellar camera, it doesn't work for me anymore....

and that live cam isn't worth me spit....can't see anything from that far....

I had some initial problems with the HD Cam. Maybe try to delete your cookies and temp files. That may help.

Speaking of which, I forgot to mention but it seems that formwork is going up on the outside of the core walls or at least thats what i think that woodwork that is going up is for.

You guys are so lucky that there's bedrock not much beneath the surface. In my city there some kind of black mud and y city like NY with so many buildings would have been sunken to 50 meters below sea level... :lol:

^^ It´s the same in Rotterdam.

Nice pics, NYguy !:)

^^ It´s the same in Rotterdam.

Nice pics, NYguy !:)

And NY hardpan is really really hard.

Thats the reason why New York City can support so many skyscrapers, because there is a layer of solid granite under the surface.

I had some initial problems with the HD Cam. Maybe try to delete your cookies and temp files. That may help.

Speaking of which, I forgot to mention but it seems that formwork is going up on the outside of the core walls or at least thats what i think that woodwork that is going up is for.

you should try to use another browser. i had also problems with the cam

Hehehehehehe Nice to see this building finaly rising :)

One question:

Will they install a super mechanical floor in the basement or will they have regular smaller mechanical floors like the BD has???

Thanks for already reading this.

cheers NY and USA!!! :cheers1:

An update from The Port Authorities (http://www.panynj.gov/info/wtc_progress.html)

Pictures are taken on the 29th of September and the 5th of October

Freedom tower
http://www.panynj.gov/info/images/Route_9A.jpg

http://www.panynj.gov/info/images/Freedom_Tower_Core.jpg

http://www.panynj.gov/info/images/EW_Connector_B4M.jpg


WTC memorial foundations
http://www.panynj.gov/info/images/Memorial.jpg


East Bathtub excavation
http://www.panynj.gov/info/images/EB_South_Prep.jpg

http://www.panynj.gov/info/images/Freedom_Tower_Core.jpg




I would say: LET'S GET IT ON!!!! :lol:

finally german company Thyssen-Krupp got the order for construction and maintainance of all 71 elevators in the tower :banana:

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What are those escalators being installed for?
I don't think that they are what we see in that section elevation, but I may be wrong.

^^ Those escalators are installed in the temporary PATH entrence at Vesey St.
You know, this one:
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/1584/ft1qh8.jpg
In 2008 the 'old' station at Church St will be demolished for the development of the transit hub. :)

Ah, I forgot all about the second temp. transit station by 7WTC. Thanks. I can't wait for December. Groundbreaking for 3 300M+ towers and FT rises! Is there a better way to start a new year? I think not.

An update from The Port Authorities (http://www.panynj.gov/info/wtc_progress.html)

Pictures are taken on the 29th of September and the 5th of October

Freedom tower
http://www.panynj.gov/info/images/Route_9A.jpg

http://www.panynj.gov/info/images/Freedom_Tower_Core.jpg

http://www.panynj.gov/info/images/EW_Connector_B4M.jpg


WTC memorial foundations
http://www.panynj.gov/info/images/Memorial.jpg


East Bathtub excavation
http://www.panynj.gov/info/images/EB_South_Prep.jpg
Wow this baby is rising.. :banana:

http://www.panynj.gov/info/images/Route_9A.jpg

i biked on that stretch of the west side highway by accident the other day because the shoulder by the wtc tapers to a close and forced me to flow into the traffic; pretty hair raising haha, i was probably doing 30mph

Wow this baby is rising.. :banana:

not yet. they're still working on the formwork for the first floor and that needs time.

Speaking of which formwork seems to be going up on the oustide of the core. I think once this is up we s hould see a pour of the inner core walls.

Woow! It's totally different,!! And it's going fast!

I think it is going at a snail's pace

For those who don't know, a snail's pace = normal time it takes to build a 1400' tower.

I think because of the damage to the area left after 9/11 and all the complications afterwards, we should expect the FT to take longer. But when its finished it will be fantastic!

thats a good point that i think people forget.. construction workers are dealing with a unique sitauation because of the way ground zero was left after 9.11

I have not been following this, so when will this be built.

^^
How about, right now!

Although it hasn't been growing too fast until now, see the posts above!

whats the estimated time of completion?

will it be done by the 10th anniversary?

Wow this baby is rising.. :banana:

but very very slow indeed!!:lol:

but very very slow indeed!!:lol:
So?

It may seem slow, but I think they are making great progress. Cant wait to see the completed project in a few years.

I think it is going at a snail's pace

WOW! That would be sweet!!!

The average speed of a common garden snail is 0.013 m/s or 0.78 meters per minute. At that pace the WTC1 would be completed in just 11 hours 56 minutes!

WOW! That would be sweet!!!

The average speed of a common garden snail is 0.013 m/s or 0.78 meters per minute. At that pace the WTC1 would be completed in just 11 hours 56 minutes!

Ah hahaha you're a nerd

WOW! That would be sweet!!!

The average speed of a common garden snail is 0.013 m/s or 0.78 meters per minute. At that pace the WTC1 would be completed in just 11 hours 56 minutes!
:lol::rofl::lol:

WOW! That would be sweet!!!

The average speed of a common garden snail is 0.013 m/s or 0.78 meters per minute. At that pace the WTC1 would be completed in just 11 hours 56 minutes!



:lol:

Funny.

She's going to look amazing because the base is semi-see-through and you'll be able to see those massive steel columns around the perimeter of the tower.

http://i20.tinypic.com/349aved.jpg

Oh yes, very nice

Does anyone know if 1WTC will have columns that rise at an angle like the concrete columns in the Torre Espacio in Madrid? I would like to know more about FT’s structure, like if it will have any concrete columns or if it’s all steel except for the reinforced core and floor slabs. It would be cool to see a 3D model or pictures of this tower’s structure, but I don’t think such things exist.

I wonder what the steel substructure will look like when it's completed; the old 1WTC had sort of a below grade steel diagrid around the sides supporting the entire building.

WOW! That would be sweet!!!

The average speed of a common garden snail is 0.013 m/s or 0.78 meters per minute. At that pace the WTC1 would be completed in just 11 hours 56 minutes!

twas a fine joke my friend :lol:

Ah hahaha you're a nerd

Dude......this is a skyscraper forum. We're ALL nerds here.

Dude......this is a skyscraper forum. We're ALL nerds here.
Hey!!! I'm not!
I have a supermodel girlfriend, I'm devastatingly handsome, I have millions in the bank, and countless friends.
Oh, wait....maybe I don't...










or do I?

Tower PowerBy Tom Topousis

October, 09 2007


New York Post


The Big Apple is in the midst of a building boom that over the next 25 years will change the face of the city and create so many new office towers that the added space alone will be bigger than downtown San Francisco or Atlanta, a Post analysis shows.

With the World Trade Center reconstruction now underway and several large towers going up in Midtown, the city and state will open bids this week for development of the largest tract of available land in Manhattan: 26 acres over the West Side rail yards. Added together, towers under construction, in the planning stages or proposed for future development add between 65 million and 70 million square feet of office space - about seven times what is being built at the World Trade Center alone.

"And we think over time, taking a couple of decades, we'll need every bit of that," Deputy Mayor Daniel Doctoroff said of the projections for new office space.

Doctoroff also said that soon after Mayor Bloomberg took office in 2002, the administration calculated that the city would need 65 million to 70 million square feet of new office construction if it is to remain competitive as a business center.

"We're not smart enough to be able to predict exactly when all that will be built, but it's a . . . number that we'll need," he said.

While the amount of new office space planned may sound enormous, the phasing of its construction makes the new projects viable, said Mary Ann Tighe, chief executive officer of CB Richard Ellis' New York office.

"It's a very orderly delivery of space compared to the boom and bust cycles we had in the 1970s and '80s," Tighe said.

Tighe said a force behind the demand for new office space is the aging of Manhattan's current buildings. A study by CB Richard Ellis found that 63.9 percent of the city's office towers will be over 50 years old by 2010, compared with a national average of 24 percent.

Unlike most other cities, Tighe said Manhattan's office towers are more likely to be filled with the top tier of corporate officials - the types of executives who are willing to pay a premium for the best and most technologically sophisticated space.

The Real Estate Board of New York calculates that 7.9 million square feet of new office space is now under construction, including the Freedom Tower. Another 6.9 million square feet is in the planning stages, including four additional towers at the World Trade Center site.

REBNY projects that another 12.6 million square feet in 14 potential projects - mostly in Midtown redevelopment - could be on tap as well.

But the biggest chunk of expansion would come on the far West Side in the Hudson Yards, stretching from the rail yards between 30th and 33rd streets all the way north to 42nd Street, where the city is counting on 24 million square feet of new office space.


http://www.wtc.com/news/tower-power


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Is that bedrock on the second pic?

i had a dream last night...

i was in nyc for some reason, and all of my friends.. and they build the freedom tower in one day lmao for the higher floors and lobby, they even already installed sheet rock and windows and stone floors. i was amazed that they did all that in 1 day.
there wasn't just 1 wtc1, there were twins lmao and they didn't feel very tall even though the were. After few hours there was a fire alarm and everyone had to go outside blah blah but then it was ok. ?? i think it was just a test lol. anyways, it was a weird dream i dont have enough time to go into a lot of detail

What is on that flat bed on the webcam? I don't think its steel because it seems to shiney but I can't imagine it being anything else really. Any ideas?

She's going to look amazing because the base is semi-see-through and you'll be able to see those massive steel columns around the perimeter of the tower.

http://i20.tinypic.com/349aved.jpg

While the spire itself is certainly poetic, the donut just seems ungainly and utilitarian now.

The crown should look better in the final product.

Is that bedrock on the second pic?

yes, that is bedrock

All hail Manhattan Schist! No other place is as good for supporting skyscrapers. Manhattan is lucky that crap like earthquakes won't ever happen and foundations won't implode. One day, we'll see towers over a mile tall on Manhattan. Who needs Harlem? Let's just demolish every building north of 111th Street and build supertall.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5d/Schist.jpg/180px-Schist.jpg

I wouldn't mind giving up my house so that developers could build supertalls. I actually hope something like that happens again, like what they did to Radio Row for this project's ancestor. But at least we have the West Side for a plethora of new supertalls; by the time this project is compleded, NY will have many other supertalls starting construction, mostly around the Empire State Building.

The crown should look better in the final product.

So, this is not the final design then ? Is there word that the crown is going to be tweaked some more ?

By "final product," I mean 'completed building.' This is the rule for the Freedom Tower: don't believe anything you see until it's completed because subtle things like that will be changed. Remember, MTVA and other orgs. can change stuff with the broadcast crown. I am 100% sure the crown and perhaps even spire will not look like it does in the final rendering. I know someone who says he has seen multiple versions of the crown and how it works with the spire and they are still deciding what they want to do. People seem to like the latest version of the crown the most, but I'd like to see something different. They have over a year to decide what will be done with the crown because the Freedom Tower will be topped in 2009.


Anyways, it's common sense. 1WTC most likely holds the world record for number of skyscraper design changes. Amirite?

By "final product," I mean 'completed building.' This is the rule for the Freedom Tower: don't believe anything you see until it's completed because subtle things like that will be changed. Remember, MTVA and other orgs. can change stuff with the broadcast crown. I am 100% sure the crown and perhaps even spire will not look like it does in the final rendering. I know someone who says he has seen multiple versions of the crown and how it works with the spire and they are still deciding what they want to do. People seem to like the latest version of the crown the most, but I'd like to see something different. They have over a year to decide what will be done with the crown because the Freedom Tower will be topped in 2009.


Anyways, it's common sense. 1WTC most likely holds the world record for number of skyscraper design changes. Amirite?

nourite

LOTS of progress has been made this month. They are getting faster every day. They will pour a lot of concrete in a few days.

NEW - Oct.2007
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It's not letting me past page 136. Is anyone else having this problem? I see there are noe 138 pages on this topic.

LOL this page is cursed!!!

Carlos are you seeing it too?

It's not letting me past page 136. Is anyone else having this problem? I see there are noe 138 pages on this topic.

I've been having the same problem.

^^ Don't worry about it. Those pages don't actually exist, it's just a forum bug. You aren't missing any actual posts.

pour the core dammit ;|

pour the core dammit ;|

LOL, Back on topic

Are we going to wait for all of the below grade steel to go up before they start the core or are they just going to f*** the rules and do the core in the coming weeks? Weren't there supposed to be about 30 beams that needed to go up? They only put up about 5 beams, quit, and started putting up tower cranes and working on the core.

Carlos are you seeing it too?

YES



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All of a sudden, I feel like there is so much building going on. I can't wait to see the new New York skyline. I don't want to rush my life away, But I can't wait until 2012!!!!!!!!!