Wow, what an intelligent response. I wish you would post your incredible opinions more often.

An intelligent response would have been something like this "What amount of explosives is needed to bring it down?" Answer: Ask the engineer who built it.

Wonderful updates. The site has a great progress. I think that the construction is getting speed. I hope not be wrong.

You be not wrong ;)

That pic above is amazing, tho u gotta keep in mind that there's still the GS building going up as we speak in front of the FT. What a nice cluster that'll make :okay:

ADF Group won a $47 million contract to build a 70-ton steel structure for the Freedom Tower, according to a report in Quebec newspaper La Presse.

Montreal-based ADF Group won a $47 million contract to build a 70-ton steel structure for the Freedom Tower, according to a report in Quebec newspaper La Presse.

The company, which specializes in heavy and complex steel structures, was one of dozens of firms picked to work on the $2.8 billion Freedom Tower. At last count, $1.7 billion of contracts have been awarded. Tishman Realty & Construction, Germany elevator company Thyssenkrupp, and DCM Erectors of New York, which sources say subcontracted this deal to ADF, are among the firms that have been awarded contracts so far. Earlier this year Quebec-based Canam Group Inc. also bid on the project.

Fabrication and delivery of the steel frame that will support the Freedom Tower is expected to start in February 2008 and be completed by November 2009. The contract also includes the steel for the base and mast of the approximately 380-foot high antenna that will top the building.

The ADF Group produces most of the pre-fabricated structures at its plant in Terrebonne, a suburb of Montreal.

ADF Group, which did not return calls for comment, is one of several Canadian engineering and construction companies involved in major infrastructure projects throughout the metro area (see Crain’s, May 21, 2007). New York City is facing a major construction boom and Quebec, which is just across the border where labor and resource costs are lower, is ideally located to provide construction material and expertise not readily available locally.

Wow, what an intelligent response. I wish you would post your incredible opinions more often.
:lol::rofl::lol:

i cant wait to see the new downtown cluster grow!

John Galt Corp.? Interesting choice of name. :)

Found this on a blog about Swiss Re in how much they owe Larry Silverstein to build the official plans.
http://essentialestfinanceh.naturalbuilding.us/2007/11/07/news-insurer-let-off-double-wtc-payout/
News - Insurer let off double WTC payout

Swiss Re, the biggest car compare credit insurance quote of the destroyed New York World Trade Center, will not be forced to make two separate payouts, a US court has ruled.

The giant insurer, which alone provided 25% of the cover for the twin towers, will pay no more than $880m (497m).

The building home locked funds insurance follows a court ruling that the September 11 attacks should count as one act, not two as the building’s developer had claimed.

The developer, Larry Silverstein, had asked for twice the 3.5bn sum insured.

The judgement sent Swiss Re’s shares up by 2.5%, since analysts had been braced for a far larger payout.

The court decision, which is likely to be business alliance insurance company in cases involving all the building’s insurers, will restrict the amount of capital available to rebuild the site.

Current plans for the project are estimated to cost up to $12bn.

Source News - Insurer let off double WTC payout article

^ Holy crap! Towers 2 and 3 will have to be downsized if Swiss Re doesn't pay up! Might as wll build nothing then. Yep, the buildings which they spent over a year and millions of dollars designing will go to waste. Panic!

^ Lol, let him dream man.

No need to panic. All is well. The article cited is from 2004 and discusses one court decision among many (both for & against Silverstein). The settlement Silverstein ended up with was ~$5 billion (although he is currently suing a couple more re-insurers). Although less than the $7billion he claimed he was due, the money is enough to build Towers 2, 3 & 4. The Port Authority is building/paying for 1WTC and 5WTC and the other elements of the WTC.

talB is such a drainer! all i see from her ;) is negative things! its boring now! you may not like it but i think you'll have to get used to the prospect of these amasing towers NOT being replaced by the originals anyun time soon...


just let it go :)

TalB is not a "she" ^^

The pic at the top really does this project justice. It looks incredible! :cheers:

very nice...very nice....
:applause:
:applause:

what did they build on the top of part of the core?

Who knows. Maybe its there to keep the TalBees out.

The pic at the top of this thread does no justice in showing just how big three of these four supertalls are.

No need to panic. All is well. The article cited is from 2004 and discusses one court decision among many (both for & against Silverstein). The settlement Silverstein ended up with was ~$5 billion (although he is currently suing a couple more re-insurers). Although less than the $7billion he claimed he was due, the money is enough to build Towers 2, 3 & 4. The Port Authority is building/paying for 1WTC and 5WTC and the other elements of the WTC.
The article may be from three years ago, but the blog entry was yesterday. The 12 billion most likely came from an estimated cost that was taken over the three years. Either way, Larry Silverstien loosing the double payment to Swiss Re was a major blow for him.

Hey Guys, When is someone going back down to the site and take some much needed ,better then the web cam, pictures? NY Guy, Ebola, or Carlos? Come on we depend on you three to as we say"Keep us informed" LOL You guys really do make this forum what it is. I do not like to come to this and see all the bickering and the name calling. I like to see the construction updates and the other proposals.
Keep up the great work you three guys.
Lance

^^ There were just pictures posted a few days ago of very recent work. Better photos than anyone could take from streetlevel at this point because of the angle.

Yeah, the pictures posted by WTC Rising and the PANYNJ photographers are much better than anything I or any other NYer could take, not only because they have cameras that are worth thousands of dollars more and more experience, but also because they have access to most of the the construction site and we obviously don't. As long as they do it at least every other week, which they do, I'll be happy.

TalB is not a "she" ^^


woops, with all the whining i just guessed...
my sexist english teacher obviously isnt a good influence :D

just saw on the cam that they're pouring concrete on the FT-site :)

just saw on the cam that they're pouring concrete on the FT-site :)


I see that:cheers:

When will they place the remaining steel beamns around the perimeter of the tower?

When will they place the remaining steel beamns around the perimeter of the tower?

They're using the core first, steel second strategy for the FT just like they did for 7 WTC. I believe I read that the steel wouldn''t start seriously rising until January. Also, the north memorial steel is also supposed to start rising in the Jan/Feb timeframe. By April the south memorial will be doing the same once the ramp is removed.

Someone's enjoying his job a little too much:

http://www.wtcrising.com/images/FE/chain217siteType8/site187/client/photoGallery/189/concrete%20pouring11.8.07_big.jpg


http://www.wtcrising.com/images/FE/chain217siteType8/site187/client/photoGallery/189/freedom%20tower%2011.8.07_big.jpg

LOL at the workers. So is this going to be completed before Chicago Spire? I may have asked that already and forgotten the answer, but yea...I forgot.

he doesnt look like hes enjoying it in my opinion.

Wow the Freedom Beam is going to be covered very soon by the looks of Ebola's pictures.

LOL at the workers. So is this going to be completed before Chicago Spire? I may have asked that already and forgotten the answer, but yea...I forgot.

i'm sure it will be finished earlier. foundation is as good as completed and it is starting to rise now, but CS is still far away from that

for a split second i thought the workers in ebolas pic were conjoined :S loving the progress! and i cant w8 to visit the city again once this amazing complex is completed! :D

One peice of steel has been put up at the site in the last half hour. There are 3 other peices of steel on the floor to its left. The steel peice is just to the east of the core :cheers::banana:

You're right. Today, they are starting to erect more steel beams.

They're using the core first, steel second strategy for the FT just like they did for 7 WTC. I believe I read that the steel wouldn''t start seriously rising until January..

Oops, my bad... make that November! Make that today:)

Like many others, I think about the Freedom Tower and the WTC, but personnaly I think it's realy weird : In 2003 ground zero was ready to build the new tower. Why 6 years later, in the picture I just see truks and no body ! It looks like desert, but it's the middle of Manhathan ! I think that the u.s governement doesn't want to show something and they're is something we don't know! I really don't know what but it's not normal...

^^ Your post makes absolutely no sense. They started building 5 years after the date which seems reasonable since it took 8 months to clear the site and another year or so to pick a design (which was changed) and another 7-8 months to decide who has control over the site.

It is also after 5 here and they stopped working on the site at 4 PM on my accounts. I don't see any purpose to your thread except trolling considering how few posts you have.

A recent view of the site from Forgotten NY.

http://www.forgotten-ny.com/STREET%20SCENES/washington.street/19.pit1.jpg

Holy Crap!!! I'm stunned. 130 Liberty looks so much smaller from the last picture I saw of it.



Here's one of the many new Freedom Tower beams that have been and will be erected shortly:

http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/3801/img0511hq5.jpg

http://lowermanhattan.info/news/tying_together_the_wtc_21145.aspx

The "east-west connector," as Port Authority planners call it, is the main
westward spoke that will emanate from the central hub. Stretching
approximately one-quarter of a mile long, the connector is comprised of three
distinct elements.

On the south side, a solid opaque wall will separate the commercial space of
the connector from the adjacent National 9/11 Memorial. From within the
ADA-accessible concourse, pedestrians also will have direct access into the
base of the Freedom Tower


NOVEMBER 10, 2007

Rising behind the connector (along with Goldman Sachs), the excitement builds...

1.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/88763373/large.jpg

2.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/88763377/large.jpg

3.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/88763378/large.jpg

4.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/88763380/large.jpg


While people are still complaining about the slow pace of construction, remember
also that, like typical NY construction, both the Goldman Sachs tower and 7 WTC
had similarly slow starts before finally getting that upward push, which we will
begin seeing here in a few months...

5.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/88763383/large.jpg

6.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/88763385/large.jpg

7.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/88763387/large.jpg


The usual suspects at the wintergarden. This shot always reminds me of entering the observation
deck at the World Trade Center...

8.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/88763388/large.jpg

9.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/88763398/large.jpg

Personally I'm not happy with Goldman Sachs... You used to be able to see sky when driving down Barclay St, and now all you see is this towering structure at the end of it. It's kind of like when you look down Park Ave and all you can see is the MetLife Building.

:lol:, NY is a city of skyscrapers....it is simply normal that you see skyscrapers wherever you look ^^

I know that there are many reasons why this project is taking so long, emotional, political, financial, logistical, but Damn! It's about time it's gotten above ground level!

Personally I'm not happy with Goldman Sachs... You used to be able to see sky when driving down Barclay St, and now all you see is this towering structure at the end of it. It's kind of like when you look down Park Ave and all you can see is the MetLife Building.

Once this tower, (GS) is topped out you may have a change of opinion, here in Los Angeles, we have a few vantage points with skyscrapers on a distant curve, it's not the same as New York, but it serves me just fine that big city feeling.

My favorite is driving westbound on Olympic blvd. toward Century City and the twin theme towers looming in the distance, twin triangular, 44 story, 1.3 million sq. ft. (each) office towers, at just under 600' each,

Not New York City, but bit sure feels like Met Life on Park ave. (yes, I have been to NYC...!!!)

^^Wilshire Blvd is very similar to NYC near Westwood.

GS looks done. What are they still doing to it?

^^Wilshire Blvd is very similar to NYC near Westwood.

GS looks done. What are they still doing to it?

GS has 13-15 floors left...

The GS Tower is ONLY HALF done. Still at least 14 to 19 more floors to go. It's 230m tall to the roof. The same height as 7WTC. It will look really tall when completed and obviously make a difference in the skyline since it's right by the water.

WOW! Everything seems like special in construction of Freedom Tower. The cranes are well-painted and cleaned. Some materials are also cleaned and moved carefully by my guess is the most experienced and best construction workers offered by this country. I can't wait for this to finish.

From what I see, four more steel columns have been erected, and there's more to follow.

From what I see, four more steel columns have been erected, and there's more to follow.

6. 2 are on the far end of the site between the east-west corridor and the old parking garage.

:lol:, NY is a city of skyscrapers....it is simply normal that you see skyscrapers wherever you look ^^

Granted. But do you know what GS was build on? A children's park.

#7 really is a thing of beauty. It's so sleek and shiny. Really love it.

Granted. But do you know what GS was build on? A children's park.

even so, there's still plenty of park space
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1337/846279866_aa865505b9_b.jpg

Granted. But do you know what GS was build on? A children's park.

If you can call a parking lot a children's park...

#7 really is a thing of beauty. It's so sleek and shiny. Really love it.

You're right. In the pictures I've noticed that wtc 7 looks very sleek but when you see it from afar in real life it stands out pretty fat like a stuffed sausage with some anorexic skyscrapers around it...

^Last time I checked, the site the GS Tower is being built on was just a parking lot.



If you ask me, the Freedom Tower will be more iconic than any other building because of its unique shape and eye-catching facades. The geometry of the Freedom Tower is simple and iconic from a distance, but quite interesting in reality. The base of the tower starts as a cube with each corner indented towards the bottom, forming a elongated isosceles triangle on each corner, followed by a slightly tapering, vertically stretched square antiprism, creating eight colossal isosceles triangles in elevation, topped by a circular crown and a tapering, octagonal antiprism spire; the absolute middle floor of the building is in the shape of a perfect octagon. The building has vertical symmetry and isn't a mess like the older versions, even though I'd still like to see the older one built somewhere else in NY. It will be the tallest building and tallest all-glass skyscraper in NY so a lot of eyes will always be on it. Calling it downright ugly really is something an idiot or envious person would do. Childs didn't fail us, and I bet it will be much better than anyone expects once completed.

If you can call a parking lot a children's park...


lmaooo you're right
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=40.714419,-74.014083&spn=0.003086,0.005021&t=k&z=18&om=1

I havnt a problem with the deisign it looks great, i just wish it was bigger!
I read a post awhile ago that said a roof heigt of 1773 feet and spire height of 2001 feet would have been far better and more symbolic!!! :banana:

I havnt a problem with the deisign it looks great, i just wish it was bigger!
I read a post awhile ago that said a roof heigt of 1773 feet and spire height of 2001 feet would have been far better and more symbolic!!! :banana:

Yup....that's EXACTLY how I feel.

the design of freedom tower is so beautiful.....

I think it is ugly but I'm hoping the finished product changes my mind.

Too much spire for too little building is one problem.

That donut thing at the top is another.

I'll reserve judgement till I've seen the thing completed though.

This reminds me when the original trade center, and the sears tower were under construction simutaneously. The WTC was completed first of course claiming the tallest building in the world. It's the same case now, the only difference is both are racing for the tallest building in the U.S. Weird, it's like history repeating itself.

I guess I'm the only one that wishes they change the name

I don't mind the height

What an amazing time to be alive:cheers: I'm assuming they will place another set of beams on top of these, just like they did on the first set last year.

http://img32.picoodle.com/img/img32/5/11/12/f_MegapixelCam_b70333a.jpg

it's about damn time some steel goes up :cheers:

amazing! when they are supposed to be finished?

^^ 1st Quarter 2011

The Freedom Tower will be topped out by 2010, and opened in 2011.
The same goes for WTC Tower 4 and WTC Tower 3.
Tower 2 and Tower 5 wont't be topped until 2011, and they will open in 2012, maybe 2013 for WTC Tower 5 if more delays hit it.
Out of all of the skyscrapers, the Freedom Tower will be the first supertall to be topped and opened.


2008 and 2009 are the years of the climax of construction. It's going to be beyond what any of us have seen before. I can't wait to go inside the tallest office building in the world.

The Freedom Tower will be topped out by 2010, and opened in 2011.
The same goes for WTC Tower 4 and WTC Tower 3.
Tower 2 and Tower 5 wont't be topped until 2011, and they will open in 2012, maybe 2013 for WTC Tower 5 if more delays hit it.
Out of all of the skyscrapers, the Freedom Tower will be the first supertall to be topped and opened.


2008 and 2009 are the years of the climax of construction. It's going to be beyond what any of us have seen before. I can't wait to go inside the tallest office building in the world.

I'm so happy:banana:

It looks like another beams is being istalled on the 1st crane...:cheers:

I'm not quite sure about the layout of the site so can someone tell me if this diagram is right?
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/324/35683639hq9.jpg
The green being the core of the building and the blue being the building outline surrounding the core?

La Freedom Tower es el símbolo de la tenacidad estadounidense frente al mundo que lo rodea... Nada mas que eso... Sus valores esteticos son nulos en comparación con el proyecto original del WTC... Los edificios 2, 3 y 4 son individualmente hermosos, pero juntos conforman una ensalada de dudoso sabor... En fin... Todo es causado por el maldito (?) terrorismo (?) que hizo que se necesitaran construir estos edificios...

http://www.curbed.com/archives/2005_06_freedomnew.jpg

Pfft, if you ask me, Freedom Tower's aesthetic values are on par with that of 2IFC, a building that couldn't be any more amazing with its form of simplicity. As a whole, the New WTC blows away the old one, yet people are going to whine that all the buildings don't work together, but in a few years once everyone is used to it, and, by the way, everyone will get used to it, they will think of it as the most amazing cluster ever. People tend to be biased towards FT, especially foreigners, like the ones who hate the name, yet fail to understand the fact that it has three different names. The Freedom Tower name isn't going anywhere and, without a doubt, it will be the most popular name, so if you can't accept that, tough. Furthermore, I'm sick of hearing people saying stuff like, "it should have been 3,000' tall" and whatnot; news flash: the project is concrete and adding useless statements ain't helping.


http://i17.tinypic.com/6ycou28.jpg


On the Silverstien Props. website, they put up the date that 99 Church Street will be completed - 2011!
I thouht it would have taken at least to 2013 because of the old building in the way. 99 Church Street is right by 7WTC, so for it to really stand out, it has to be at least 900 feet tall to the tip. I really hope he makes it tall (please make another supertall, Larry! :drool:) because it's such an amazing tower :drool: and I'd hate to see it eaten by the massive new skyscrapers of the WTC, current towers in the area, and perhaps Beekman.

Does anyone know if the current WTC plan of 4 towers will surpass the old WTC and other demolished buildings in Office Space and combined cumulative height of all the buildings?

It certainly seems that way, and I hope so we have to feel like we are moving forwards not just compensating for what was lost.

It's obviously higher and just a little more office space than the old WTC when you add in T5.

This is the largest office complex in the world.

Of course it will slowly grow on people. The first stage (shutting up nay-sayers and whiners that were against construction) is complete... (TalB's & companys' contributions to the forum have since quite subsided:D)

Of course it will slowly grow on people. The first stage (shutting up nay-sayers and whiners that were against construction) is complete... (TalB's & companys' contributions to the forum have since quite subsided:D)

next step is to own omfg bbq construction is too slow people. :cheers:

I don't like this tower just because of it's idiotic name.

La Freedom Tower es el símbolo de la tenacidad estadounidense frente al mundo que lo rodea... Nada mas que eso... Sus valores esteticos son nulos en comparación con el proyecto original del WTC... Los edificios 2, 3 y 4 son individualmente hermosos, pero juntos conforman una ensalada de dudoso sabor... En fin... Todo es causado por el maldito (?) terrorismo (?) que hizo que se necesitaran construir estos edificios...

please write in english!

please write in english!

babelfish http://babelfish.altavista.digital.com/babelfish/tr

The Freedom Tower is the symbol of the American tenacity front to the world that surrounds it... Nothing but that that... Their esteticos values are null in comparison with the original project of the WTC... Buildings 2, 3 and 4 are individually beautiful, but together they conform a salad of doubtful flavor... In aim... Everything is caused by damn () the terrorism () that caused that they were needed to construct these buildings...

Croat, if the name causes you to not like the tower IMO, that's pretty...um shallow.:ohno: There are three different names you can choose to refer to the tower by like, 1WTC and if those still piss you off well, sucks for you.:lol:

It is so good to really see visible progress accelerating, can't wait to see construction in a few more months!:banana:

Croat, if the name causes you to not like the tower IMO, that's pretty...um shallow.:ohno: There are three different names you can choose to refer to the tower by like, 1WTC and if those still piss you off well, sucks for you.:lol:

It is so good to really see visible progress accelerating, can't wait to see construction in a few more months!:banana:

Deal, 1WTC! ;)

I don't like you because your name is Croat.

Can you possibly suggest a nickname so that when I hear it in the future I won't be filled with contempt?

Ah cut em' a break brooklyn. ;)

Oh, and damn them terrorists!

Ah cut em' a break brooklyn. ;)

Oh, and damn them terrorists!

AHhhhh I'm just messing around... giving brooklyn a bad name

when will they start the foundation?almost year now

I agree that it should just be called 1 WTC from now on.

I don't like you because your name is Croat.

Can you possibly suggest a nickname so that when I hear it in the future I won't be filled with contempt?

Freedom + USA, just don't fit together.

when will they start the foundation?almost year now

foundation of the freedom tower??.....the foundation is completed :lol:

Freedom + USA, just don't fit together.

Agree that we could do a better job these days, but I wouldn't go there. Even with the recent nonsense (Patriot Act, Guantanamo, etc.) we're light years ahead of most of the world.

Freedom + USA, just don't fit together.

Please tell me in what country you live, I'm too curious...

back OT: progress is finally steady, hope they keep it this way (although if they go faster I wont disagree:) )

Please tell me in what country you live, I'm too curious...

back OT: progress is finally steady, hope they keep it this way (although if they go faster I wont disagree:) )

Croatia.

Agree that we could do a better job these days, but I wouldn't go there. Even with the recent nonsense (Patriot Act, Guantanamo, etc.) we're light years ahead of most of the world.

I don't undervalue Americans, but forcing names like "freedom", "liberty", "patriotic" is stupid, poor and sarcastic.

Could we try and not talk about things not related to the new WTC?

Freedom + USA, just don't fit together.

its sad to see shit like this fly around here. :ohno:

its sad to see shit like this fly around here. :ohno:


Indian genocide, black slavery, Japanese concentration-camps...

Viva la American "freedom"! :puke:

STFU man. Really. We're here to discuss the architecture, construction status, and pictures of this building. If you want to go cry about how 'un'free America is go to the Skybar. This discussion about the use of Freedom to name the tower has been rehashed so many times. Please no more.

Indian genocide, black slavery, Japanese concentration-camps...

Viva la American "freedom"! :puke:

wow you really dont get it huh?

any new updates for this beautiful tower? I'm sorry if this has been discussed before, but why does it seem to be going so slowly? great name too. fits America and New York perfectly.

Freedom Tower is OK with me - but really it should be 1 WTC - jut for remembering original place. BUt really nothing wrong with this name.

^^Understand what your saying, however think it would be to much of the past. We must move on, but never foget!!

Well not to mention the fact that the original Freedom Tower is in Miami:D, but the name of this beauty already stuck, and it is known like Freedom Tower around the world. Like it or not, it's how u recognize it, immediately

^^ 1st Quarter 2011



I thought that it's supposed to be 09-11-11.

STFU man. Really.

I won't. Ever heard for "freedom of speech"?

It was being called Freedom Tower and 1 WTC anyway, so why all the fuss?

As the title of this thread above reads; Freedom Tower and 1 WTC.

I won't. Ever heard for "freedom of speech"?

I'm not saying that you can't say that. Your just saying it in the wrong section of this forum. Remember you participate in a forum with RULES. So please be respectful and take your rants elsewhere.

I think it would be hard to rent out the whole building using the name World Trade Center knowing the images of 9/11. It's easy to say just call it the WTC but another to work at your job up on the 80th floor of the new WTC.

In eiter case, it's being called WTC or NWTC because, as everyone knows;

1. It is replacing the one which was destroyed.

2. It's being built in the same spot where the old one was.

3. All 10,000,000 sq. ft. of office space has to be put back there.

4. The chance of a 09-11-style attack like that happening again are probably a million to one odds.

i like 1 WTC, that reminds more on the old towers than Freedom Tower

It's just a name, can we leave it alone and continue to talk about the building rising?

I won't. Ever heard for "freedom of speech"?

You have to, or you are OT and your comments will be cancelled.
Maybe though you have never herd of the word skyscraper ( what is the tallest building in croatia?:lol: )

Back on topic: lets stop all the bul***hit about the name. They should have called it the FYWT (" F**k you world" ...tower).
God I would have loved it.... (btw: don't think this is exactly on topic, but I had to say it:) ).

Grow tower grow and let us dream!!!!

yes, croatia is truly the land of the free. unless you happen to be a serb.

I won't. Ever heard for "freedom of speech"?

Freedom of speech applies to government power, not disputes between two people.

Sorry, bub. :cheers:

How come the moderator is not making any comments? I thought that this was a discussion about the construction of the World Trade Centre replacement buildings. I guess I was wrong.
Things are looking really good for a major pour again around the cores. I see that more columns of steel have been placed against the slurry wall to the west.

Please stop all the bickering and grow up people.

Things are looking really good for a major pour again around the cores. I see that more columns of steel have been placed against the slurry wall to the west.

Those aren't steel columns in the north-west corner. It's hard to see exactly what they are but they have been there for several weeks.

It looks like the insulation is about to be applied to the north core. The big pour next week?

Some more steel columns came the other day and were installed to form the parimeter of the base.

Those aren't steel columns in the north-west corner. It's hard to see exactly what they are but they have been there for several weeks.

It looks like the insulation is about to be applied to the north core. The big pour next week?

The steel beams are at the south west corner. If you strain enough you will see 2 of them. As for the pour it will probably be within the next two weeks.

In eiter case, it's being called WTC or NWTC because, as everyone knows;

1. It is replacing the one which was destroyed.

2. It's being built in the same spot where the old one was.

3. All 10,000,000 sq. ft. of office space has to be put back there.

4. The chance of a 09-11-style attack like that happening again are probably a million to one odds.


It is not being built in the same spot, just the same area. Aren't the original tower footprints going to be reflecting pools or something similar to that?

The chance of an airplane crashing into a tower as a terror attack are extremely unlikely probably on the order of a billion to one.

It is really good to start seeing progress on the core!!

The steel beams are at the south west corner.

He wasn't talking about the new columns at the south-west corner. He was talking about what appears to be new columns up against the slurry wall in the north-west corner, above the subway roof. They appear to have short cross-beams on them. Whatever it is, it has been there since Oct 23rd. Look at the slurry wall behind the top of the south crane as it is seen from the earthcam hd camera.

Well not to mention the fact that the original Freedom Tower is in Miami:D, but the name of this beauty already stuck, and it is known like Freedom Tower around the world. Like it or not, it's how u recognize it, immediately
I am not surprised that even that name isn't original, then again, it's not like there was anything original about this building to begin with.

^ Really? Then what about its unique shape, height, amazing spire, great facade(s), and high status in the green community?


If some people really think it has nothing to do with freedom because America 'doesn't have any,' then they're just kidding them[uneducated]selves. The new WTC's about spitting on the BS ideals that destroyed the old towers.

I am not surprised that even that name isn't original, then again, it's not like there was anything original about this building to begin with.

the whole complex in itself is A LOT more original than the old WTC

btw anyone know off the top of their head where i could find that map that shows the locations for all the towers? i need it for school cause actually i have a speech in the morning about the new wtc lmao

btw anyone know off the top of their head where i could find that map that shows the locations for all the towers? i need it for school cause actually i have a speech in the morning about the new wtc lmao

Back many pages - a month or so - is a great map, Port Authority also seems to be a treasure trove of info.

Philvia here is a link that has a nice layout map of the site.

http://www.pathrestoration.com/drp/index.php

Lance

I am not surprised that even that name isn't original, then again, it's not like there was anything original about this building to begin with.



Oh. And what about the fact that it will once again be New York's tallest and finest? As a matter of fact, the Eastern Seaboarb's tallest? Again.

one of the most beautiful office towers in the land!!

Tallest office building in the world too.

lol with all the planes flying across the country, especially with laguardia, JFK, and mcarthur airport all in newyork, the odds are greater

Wasnt it meant to be as iconic as the twins were? That means clear lines and a simple design that's easy to remember. They sure got it right :okay:

^ Really? Then what about its unique shape, height, amazing spire, great facade(s), and high status in the green community?


If some people really think it has nothing to do with freedom because America 'doesn't have any,' then they're just kidding them[uneducated]selves. The new WTC's about spitting on the BS ideals that destroyed the old towers.
Before you say that it's an original design, notice how similar it looks with the SWFC and the Astana Towers and then tell me if it's an original idea.

http://www.twintowersalliance.com/athousandwords.jpg

^ Really? Then what about its unique shape, height, amazing spire, great facade(s), and high status in the green community?




That 'amazing spire' looks more like TV mast to me.

You can't call that a spire.

You have to, or you are OT and your comments will be cancelled.
Maybe though you have never herd of the word skyscraper ( what is the tallest building in croatia?:lol: )



The tallest building in Croatia is Plomin Power Station Chimney (340 m), tallest chimney in Europe and 3th in world.
Croatia had >100m buildings before Columbus find America.

Before you say that it's an original design, notice how similar it looks with the SWFC and the Astana Towers and then tell me if it's an original idea.

http://www.twintowersalliance.com/athousandwords.jpg

^^ There is one (finished) tower at Dubai Creek very similar to SFC! Design, not size of course!

Talb, the argument of originality in architecture is probably the weakest. There is nothing 'original' in architecture unless you go to the far extremes of it (deconstructivism). There are always elements of one building in other designs. As my first year architecture professor told me, "you all have to learn to be salespersons because there is no 'original' design out there".

Besides, imitation is the best for of flattery. :P

That 'amazing spire' looks more like TV mast to me.

You can't call that a spire.

Your opinion is invalid here because it is a spire. Which other spire can change colors and emit beams of light into the sky? Which other spire is as massive and has such a sharp design. It is no pole, and it's so big that it contains a TV mast within it.



Trying to compare other towers to FT and saying that it isn't unique is like trying to compare 2IFC to the tallest building in Jersey and saying 2IFC isn't good because you see building that quasi looks like it. The current design for the Freedom Tower came from the NYSE Tower, which was way before anything that even comes close to looking like 1WTC.

Before you say that it's an original design, notice how similar it looks with the SWFC and the Astana Towers and then tell me if it's an original idea.

http://www.twintowersalliance.com/athousandwords.jpg

The SWFC certainly is similar to the FT, but they're not the same, hence each is original in it's own way (SWFC is more curvy while the FT is a bit more boxy). Then it's really funny that you post the Astana Towers because they were designed after the FT, so they're drawing from the original rather than the other way around.

The thing I hate the most about Freedom Tower is not the design, it's the height. They should have built it much higher! :no::sleepy::wallbash:

That 'amazing spire' looks more like TV mast to me.

You can't call that a spire.

It is somewhat of a trend in New York. Take a look at the NY Times Tower for another example. It is a 700 some odd foot building, with a 400 foot antenna at the top that is being called a spire. That antenna is over 50% the height of the functional portion of the building! There is a thread for that one here in the 'supertalls' group as a result of that calculation!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture165-1.jpg

No offense walli, but although I do agree with you on my dislike of antennas, calling it a 'trend' because of three buildings is a bit of a stretch.

Yeah, that's exactly what I said.

The tallest building in Croatia is Plomin Power Station Chimney (340 m), tallest chimney in Europe and 3th in world.
Croatia had >100m buildings before Columbus find America.

If u have to spam this topic already, at least know that the tallest chimney in Europe is in Trbovlje, Slovenia at 360m/1181' (also the tallest concrete structure in Europe)

To get at least somewheat on topic: It could rival the FT to roof height :lol:

This ! is a spire ...

http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/4634/chrydx5.png (http://imageshack.us)
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/9518/chrysler20buildingpc2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/6613/chrysler20building2nw4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


:)

^^ That was a spire in the 1930's :tongue2: Time for sth new ;)

The tallest building in Croatia is Plomin Power Station Chimney (340 m), tallest chimney in Europe and 3th in world.
Croatia had >100m buildings before Columbus find America.

Dude, you really need to understand the difference between a building and a simple structure. If you talk about chimney, then I'll start to talk about antennas, and the KVLY-TV mast in north dakota still looks from above at every one (since the WTB now is still 601 meters and this structure is 628 meters).

As for history, I'm from Rome, so don't give me the crap, because we were building the colosseum while you'r country was full only with trees.
(btw, bringing up the history card is really sad, because it dimonstrates how america was able to surpass the entire world with its constructions in only a few centuries.. and show how much europeans were able to destroy each other with sensless wars).

To go back on current discussion, sincerely I don't care if the design of the FT isn't original. There are hardly any buildings left you can define original with the quantity of buildings that have been built and that are still going up.

So TalB, just drop you'r whining, because if we look at the old WTC, they were original as much as two boxes containing spaghetti with the only difference of the color, that was a sad shade of grey (that doesn't mean that they were not a wonderful achevement when they were built and an admirable landmrk, but they didn't have an original design, due especially for engineering necessities).

They were among the first (twin tower) supertalls. Sure the twin towers wouldn't be considered original today because we already have tons of twin tower boxes around but in its day it certainly was quite original...

Every1 is just jealous that NY is the center of the universe! Get over it - spire or no spire u cant deny NY is the leader of skyscrapers !!!! Sorry HK Not trying to sound patriotic just realistic - back to WTC thread now

As for history, I'm from Rome, so don't give me the crap, because we were building the colosseum while you'r country was full only with trees.
(btw, bringing up the history card is really sad, because it dimonstrates how america was able to surpass the entire world with its constructions in only a few centuries.. and show how much europeans were able to destroy each other with sensless wars).

.

This reminds me of a wonderful anecdote about Benjamin Disraeli, the 19th Century Prime Minister of British Empire. Disraeli, in retort to a English lord from a long distinguished line who had criticized Disraeli's Jewish family roots, said something like "Sir, when your ancestors were painting their faces blue and climbing trees naked, mine were building Jerusalem and consecrating the Great Temple of the Lord!":lol:

The stupidity going on in here is laughable. Talb with the same tired opinion of this thing. Go back 10 pages and he wrote the same thing.. then go back 4 pages and there it is again.. then 2.. then 4.. then 1.. and so on.. he just keeps refrshing it so everyon gets a look.

And the croatian guy... umm... i repeat.. the... croatian.. guy.. wants to be a critic.. lmfao. Wow this page needs yet another clean up.. Political nonsense? Talb.. again defying the mods??? This thing going off topic...

Why in the world trade center thread.? Put this building in London and the scraper junkies there would go ape sht and they know it.. pop it over in Istanul and it is an instant hit..

Ny, however.. in the financial district.. it blows? Wierd standards guys.. this thread is garbage once again.. congrats to all the losers who came in here and fked up the good vibe it was finally starting to get.

No offense walli, but although I do agree with you my dislike of antennas, calling it a 'trend' because of three buildings is a bit of a stretch.

Yeah I probably shouldn't have used the word trend with just 'the antenna pole to boost height' subject. It just seems that many projects are doing somewhat dubious things trying to beef up their numbers (like identifying floor #2 as floor #21). Maybe if we took all of the 'cooking the numbers' things, it would qualify as a trend?

^^ That was a spire in the 1930's :tongue2: Time for sth new ;)

Hey, check out this 213m (700') building! It is one floor with a 'new age' mast!
http://www.knmi.nl/onderzk/atmoond/cabauw/mast.jpg

No worries Vertigo600, there are still a few architects who know how to build real spires. Cesar Pelli being an excellent example with the Petronas Towers (with absolutely awesome cladding also).

Hey ! Its about Freedom Tower and its construction progress !


I took these photos on Saturday, November 10th...

Ground Zero from helicopter (the helicopter tour at 30th street with 12th avenue)

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/6191/aa097mu3.jpg



Cranes can be seen here behind and between the World Financial towers
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/8522/aa098yx7.jpg




Ground Zero. I think thats the core rising up and soon to surpass street level
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/3674/aa312fk6.jpg



More views from very close (Scotiabank entrance)
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/1830/aa317ya0.jpg

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/2900/aa318vt3.jpg



Your friend, moderator and forumer SkyPeru34, appreciating this great project under construction !
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5479/aa316wb6.jpg

Dude, you really need to understand the difference between a building and a simple structure. If you talk about chimney, then I'll start to talk about antennas, and the KVLY-TV mast in north dakota still looks from above at every one (since the WTB now is still 601 meters and this structure is 628 meters).

As for history, I'm from Rome, so don't give me the crap, because we were building the colosseum while you'r country was full only with trees.
(btw, bringing up the history card is really sad, because it dimonstrates how america was able to surpass the entire world with its constructions in only a few centuries.. and show how much europeans were able to destroy each other with sensless wars).

To go back on current discussion, sincerely I don't care if the design of the FT isn't original. There are hardly any buildings left you can define original with the quantity of buildings that have been built and that are still going up.

So TalB, just drop you'r whining, because if we look at the old WTC, they were original as much as two boxes containing spaghetti with the only difference of the color, that was a sad shade of grey (that doesn't mean that they were not a wonderful achevement when they were built and an admirable landmrk, but they didn't have an original design, due especially for engineering necessities).

Of course I understand difference between a building and structure, I'm an architecture student, not some quasi pizza-maker in NYC suburb like you.

About history; Greek cities in Croatia are far more older then Roman Colosseum, and concrete was used in our northern regions 5000 years before Romans.
American buildings are safe just because you're geographically isolated from World, so your words doesn't make sense.

The thing I hate the most about Freedom Tower is not the design, it's the height. They should have built it much higher! :no::sleepy::wallbash:

^^
I agree.

I know it is impossible now, but i still hope that they will increase the height (roof 541m :cheers: ) Total height +660m
But, just a dream :(

Great pictures, I can't wait till we see some serious vertical construction on the site. Its going to look amazing.

(btw, bringing up the history card is really sad, because it dimonstrates how america was able to surpass the entire world with its constructions in only a few centuries.. and show how much europeans were able to destroy each other with sensless wars).

Sorry to add to the negative detraction from the thread topic, but this is a silly statement. You speak as if the Americans were a native tribe who started with spears and flint and suddenly rose majestically to trump all other humanity.....
The Americans, as you should well know were not always Americans. They were Europeans who 'found' a huge new playground which was not constrained by the politics or conflicts of Europe. In effect the people living there now are still effectively European(although they'd never want to admit it - and I don't blame them). Of course a short albeit rich history has given them their own identity, and fairplay to them. But America is still a relatively new country, and without taking away credit where it is due(the achievements over the last few centuries are nothing short of phenomenal), it must be viewed in context. Do you believe if mankind were to find a new world/planet to inhabit, that we would charge in there and re-create Earth? No of course we wouldn't, and nor did they re-create europe in America.
And as to sensless wars - you don't even wanna go there...

nygirl - Of course people would go mad if this was to be built elsewhere eg London. But this isn't London, where the highest building is only 771ft(235m). Not only is it being built in the city most synonymous with scrapers, the recent history of the site makes it the most interesting in the world to the public and media alike. I do like the design, and am not writing it off in any way. But it does somehow fail to live up to the hype. It needs more height IMO.

NYGirl please PM me. I would like to talk to you in private, Thanks
Lance

PS please clean your PM 's so more can be sent.

No worries Vertigo600, there are still a few architects who know how to build real spires. Cesar Pelli being an excellent example with the Petronas Towers (with absolutely awesome cladding also).

Agreed. Superb job they did on that project.

I love those helicopter shots skyperu, thanks for posting them:)

The stupidity going on in here is laughable. Talb with the same tired opinion of this thing. Go back 10 pages and he wrote the same thing.. then go back 4 pages and there it is again.. then 2.. then 4.. then 1.. and so on.. he just keeps refrshing it so everyon gets a look.

And the croatian guy... umm... i repeat.. the... croatian.. guy.. wants to be a critic.. lmfao. Wow this page needs yet another clean up.. Political nonsense? Talb.. again defying the mods??? This thing going off topic...

Why in the world trade center thread.? Put this building in London and the scraper junkies there would go ape sht and they know it.. pop it over in Istanul and it is an instant hit..

Ny, however.. in the financial district.. it blows? Wierd standards guys.. this thread is garbage once again.. congrats to all the losers who came in here and fked up the good vibe it was finally starting to get.

Are you on crack ?? or do you just drink way too much coffee ??

This is a thread on a skyscraper forum - it's about sharing information and opinions, not about 'good vibes' .. if it's good vibes you want I suggest a Beach Boys forum or a Woodstock forum or a meditation forum.

As an Englishman let me assure you I wouldn't think any more or less of the design of the building if it were in London or elsewhere on the planet.

With the Empire State Building New York changed the world, here was your chance to do it again, instead we get a sleek office block with a disproportionate TV antenna on top. Oooops.

btw anyone know off the top of their head where i could find that map that shows the locations for all the towers? i need it for school cause actually i have a speech in the morning about the new wtc lmao


i made a 99 :banana:

Are you on crack ?? or do you just drink way too much coffee ??

This is a thread on a skyscraper forum - it's about sharing information and opinions, not about 'good vibes' .. if it's good vibes you want I suggest a Beach Boys forum or a Woodstock forum or a meditation forum.

As an Englishman let me assure you I wouldn't think any more or less of the design of the building if it were in London or elsewhere on the planet.

With the Empire State Building New York changed the world, here was your chance to do it again, instead we get a sleek office block with a disproportionate TV antenna on top. Oooops.

The argument is it's the same tired crap over and over and over. You don't like it, we get it. Are you going to change it? No. Are you going to bitch about the same thing over and over to annoy everyone who doesn't hate it. Yes.

Confirm/Deny?

This thread is dead, thanks to the asses who can't hold in their utter BS. Amazing how people can't just quit and have to trash one of the most important threads. Opinions about what it should have been and how the spire shouldn't be counted should be banned.


There needs to be a new one with all of the WTC towers since they'll be starting up in a few weeks.

Are you on crack ?? or do you just drink way too much coffee ??

This is a thread on a skyscraper forum - it's about sharing information and opinions, not about 'good vibes' .. if it's good vibes you want I suggest a Beach Boys forum or a Woodstock forum or a meditation forum.

As an Englishman let me assure you I wouldn't think any more or less of the design of the building if it were in London or elsewhere on the planet.

With the Empire State Building New York changed the world, here was your chance to do it again, instead we get a sleek office block with a disproportionate TV antenna on top. Oooops.
Some people just can't take it when others disagree with them.

The SWFC certainly is similar to the FT, but they're not the same, hence each is original in it's own way (SWFC is more curvy while the FT is a bit more boxy). Then it's really funny that you post the Astana Towers because they were designed after the FT, so they're drawing from the original rather than the other way around.
The SWFC started construction in 1997, so it's the original.

The stupidity going on in here is laughable. Talb with the same tired opinion of this thing. Go back 10 pages and he wrote the same thing.. then go back 4 pages and there it is again.. then 2.. then 4.. then 1.. and so on.. he just keeps refrshing it so everyon gets a look.

And the croatian guy... umm... i repeat.. the... croatian.. guy.. wants to be a critic.. lmfao. Wow this page needs yet another clean up.. Political nonsense? Talb.. again defying the mods??? This thing going off topic...
You really need to chill nygirl, and cut with the scapegoating and stereotypes that you continuosly do on me and on others here.

1. Hahahahaha!!:lol: Pot, this is Kettle. Kettle, meet Pot.

I think you should try to learn that one as well yourself. If your advice is supposed to be so-called good for others, then it should be good for you. Who was it that said: "I just get so pissed off to no end when you guys call the Twins ugly boxes!!"? Hmm? Who was it that called the Freedom Tower all those al Quaeda-related names? Hmm?:lol:

2. That may be true, but I'm not sure.

3. Chill? Why is it that everytime that someone says something that you don't agree with, you constantly accuse them of being sterotypical? That's another line of yours that's really getting old.

Reiminiscent of sentense 1.

The SWFC started construction in 1997, so it's the original.

??? They're similar but not the same. Have you seen pics of SWFC? From different angles? You could say this may be the same and that may be the same, but overall both are different designs. And you posted the Astana Towers which COPY the FT.

Of course I understand difference between a building and structure, I'm an architecture student, not some quasi pizza-maker in NYC suburb like you.

^^ :lol:

This thread is becoming garbage because of some bad posters..... Someone tries to post or contribute with photos or info in order to highlight this project, but stupidity goes beyond this...

Hey children, please take your bullfuck elsewhere.

:cheers:

moderators, can someone delete this thread and we start a new one pls?!

i agree. its time.

People try to contribute to this thread with great photos but everyone else seems too busy arguing. Thank you to all those that helped enrich this thread.

Congradulations to all you stupid baby cries and whiners who successfully managed to screw up the thread.

First and definetly foremost: SkyPeru thank you for contributing to the thread. Your pictures are quality and it is an absolute breath of fresh air to come into this thread and actually see pictures, updates, and information pertaining to the construction of the World Trade Center.

Now to the gentleman that asked if I was on crack.

Well, I've never been asked if I smoked crack on this forum so congradulations you are my first. I realize 'good vibes' may have been a bit flakey but you are new here so let me fill you in. Out of all the Supertall threads posted up here at Skyscrapercity.com this thread seems to be one of few, if not the only one that gets destroyed due to some people utterly trashing it and instigating fights.
The thing is Vertigo600, this is a construction thread. This discussion should not stray into political bullshit. But quite often some Nationalistic POS comes in here and stirs the pot.. It sucks when you sign in and see that there are new comments and maybe updates and you click on the thread and then.......
You get to see Talb's articles on how 'non democratically' this design was 'chosen' or how it will 'surely' stall because of the smallest infractions on the duetsh bank site ( how many warnings does he get?) or issues that aren't even updated. The best is how it is a copy of a building that takes on a whole new shape at different angles and has a damn hole in it's roof.
So yeah this thread does get to the point where a mod has to come in here and at best mass delete posts or worse close it down to start over because too many posts need to be deleted.
You are new and you just may not understand the history of this construction thread. I should be able to click on it and see updates, likes/ dis likes, constructive criticism, or relevant articles. Instead I get to read about how terrible the country that I live in is, or greek history, or how it is not tall enough when it reaches the original height, or how we missed out on becoming 'great again' as if we somehow still are not. The the spire trolls come in and stir the pot.. and it goes on and on and on..

I do believe that a while back the Moderators warned that the next person to come in here and post about all the above said was getting automatically banned.. what happened to that? This is still going on.. in the 5th or 6th Wtc thread since the one I started

Should we already start a new one? Or wait for the moderators?

This thread is F.I.E.R.C.E! So much is going on, it's amazing. While I really wish this would all just end, it is really entertaining to see just how looney a lot of people can get over certain things. I'm all for stating opinions but, there's a limit to everything (like once every 10 pages when it's the same thought :lol:). I'm so glad to see progress on the FT commence, no matter what the design. I look at it this way, the current design is so much better than what was previously designed. When bringing the design down to basics, it's pretty much what used to be there, with the exception of it being clad in all glass, and a 200ft concrete base. Yeah it has a pretty big spire, but so what? The previous had a large antenna (albeit shorter). I'm incredibly happy that something is going in at the site, and it's a plus that it's not the original plan for the NWTC. :nuts:

Anyway, I haven't been able to check earthcam, has anything new that's very visible taken place today?

The thing is Vertigo600, this is a construction thread. This discussion should not stray into political bullshit. But quite often some Nationalistic POS comes in here and stirs the pot.. It sucks when you sign in and see that there are new comments and maybe updates and you click on the thread and then.......

This is really the biggest problem. It isn't the only thread that suffers from this, but it happens way to frequently in this thread. Like I said a few times already, if someone has a problem with America and it's politics then go to the Skybar section and let it all out, but not here.

A question to the construction. When can we expect that the core is above street level? This year?

On the pics it looks like it rise.

BTW i am satisfied thet they will build a WTC like this i thought they would build 4 200m towers and thats it.......but theese are 4 supertalls cramped on a relatively small area plus GS and 99 church street + 50 west street...this will look so cool.

I hope that happens this year. At the time i visited the site, what seems t be the core, is almost at street level.

PD: thx for your words nygirl, let me exhort everybody here to get into the main topic of the thread, is it really hard to do so? Com´on !

cool...is there still the visitors platform?

Should we already start a new one? Or wait for the moderators?
No man I'm tired of having new ones started over a couple of idiots messes. I hate having to refer back to a previous World Trade Center thread. This crap needs to be settled by the folks in charge. Come through on that warning. You gave it fair and square and it has been reiterated by some of us here more than once when someone forgets about it. I was told to settle down with TalB at one point in here and I did. They got tired of making new threads when they weren't needed and people were just told to obey the rules or suffer the consequences. So when does this thread stop getting crapped on with non relevant BS, and spire trolls ? ?

I hope theres just some posts deleted because I like the fact that this particular thread has all the best updates.

there should be twin freedom towers
the name freedom tower is corny
the to roof height should be 1776

the reason for all this repetition is b/c there ain't a damn thing to talk about.
still have 2 tower cranes around a 70 foot hole. it's obvious we're all bored
out of our minds with the molasses progress. and YES IT HAS BEEN SLOW. don't give me 'it's complicated b/c of blah blah...', we know this is a massive project--doesn't change the fact that it is taking fordamnever. So long that we all get hard-ons when they drop in 4 new pieces of visible steel.

deez you are right about how much time it took until first visible progress, but dont start again the roof height/spire twin FTs discussion.

PPPLLLLSSS

the roof height would of 1776 would look extremely ridiculous there... u can't just stick anything anywhere, it's just stupid... Btw don't u have mods here?

the roof height would of 1776 would look extremely ridiculous there... u can't just stick anything anywhere, it's just stupid... Btw don't u have mods here?

If I'm not mistaken, the final design chosen was actually one of the shortest ones in terms of roof height. I wouldn't be surprised if cost of construction came into play.

Skyperu, no problem those really were good shots.

Your friend, moderator and forumer SkyPeru34, appreciating this great project under construction !
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5479/aa316wb6.jpg

Barbed wire on the fence ?!? And I though Chicago had some hard core building fans.

Great photos.

it might be for terrorist

Gs looks so sexy in this pic I love its cladding....btw skyperu thx for taking the pics and posting them

it might be for terrorist



Or to protect the site from another nut case such as the guy who somehow got past the fence that time and shot himself to death over issues with his estranged wife.

daquan is this a true story, dont say yes?

daquan is this a true story, dont say yes?



Yes it is,sorry, and because of that, another death reported at Ground Zero was added to the list of the many who died there, not to mention the two firefighters this past summer.

Whether his name was physically added to the list, I don't know. Probably not because that wasn't 09-11-related.

Here we go, OFF posts again...

sorry but this news shocked me.....

now you know, so no more post about it. just freedom tower

do we had this render of the base already in this thread?

http://www.onyxtree.com/IMAGE-GAL/gall-giroud4-960x540.jpg

I don't remember seeing it but that does show how the base has the prism thingy that people were talking about goin on.

Ok. Here's a question;

Did any of you hear that some more of the steel came for the tower the other day?
It was already installed. It's been trickling in in small batches.

I don't remember seeing it but that does show how the base has the prism thingy that people were talking about goin on.

and the big hole where the dog will run into and the little boy will follow him in there and die. LOL. :lol: You guys remember everyone arguing over that?

Barbed wire on the fence ?!? And I though Chicago had some hard core building fans.

Great photos.

Barbed wire is nothing new in NYC, pre or post 9-11

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5479/aa316wb6.jpg

what is that building under construction in the background?

This thread has waay too many off-topic posts and is full of petty infighting. If it continues, accounts will be suspended. If you don't have anything to say that's directly related to this project, then don't say it all.

the Goldman Sachs HQ.. you can find it in the highrises section

do we had this render of the base already in this thread?

http://www.onyxtree.com/IMAGE-GAL/gall-giroud4-960x540.jpg
Nope, this is the first time i see this render..

That's not a picture rendering; it's a video rendering, and it was great. I'd love to shove it in the face of all the imbeciles who call the base dull, but I lost the link.

I love how you can see the beams. That really makes up for the fact that there are no windows. I wonder if there will be a lot of clear glass as part of the massive entrance.

LOL, BS, BS, BS, BS.

That was a joke, btw.



I honestly prefer the original World Trade Center. The new designs do nothing for me. They certainly are massive buildings, but that's not enough.

Nonetheless, they are very modern and while I can't say all of them are unique I do sort of like the Freedom Tower itself.

That's not a picture rendering; it's a video rendering, and it was great. I'd love to shove it in the face of all the imbeciles who call the base dull, but I lost the link.

I love how you can see the beams. That really makes up for the fact that there are no windows. I wonder if there will be a lot of clear glass as part of the massive entrance.

So where can this video rendering be found?
Btw it'll be great to follow the progress of those beams once they start soaring above the street level.

That's not a picture rendering; it's a video rendering, and it was great. I'd love to shove it in the face of all the imbeciles who call the base dull, but I lost the link.

I love how you can see the beams. That really makes up for the fact that there are no windows. I wonder if there will be a lot of clear glass as part of the massive entrance.



Yes, I also like those glass panels that surround the base!! I think it looks so cool, and sends a pretty powerful message of majesty and greatness.

And yes, I like the way that those giant beams can be seen as well! I like the base on 7 WTC, but I like THIS one even better!

deez you are right about how much time it took until first visible progress, but dont start again the roof height/spire twin FTs discussion.

PPPLLLLSSS


that was a joke. I don't think anyone on here can bring up these topics and expect any sort of discussion anymore. I was just saying they keep being brought up b/c there's nothing else to discuss. Certainly not my opinions.

I just know we're still in for a Looooooooooooong ride. I remember walking by BOA tower early early 2005 and seeing just the first couple of floors. That bastard just topped out a few months ago, and when you compare BOA to FT, the size differences are obvious.

To imagine discussing every beam that gets put up from now until top-off is just downright depressing. That's my take. I will admit, though, I'm an addict. I check the cams/discussion boards daily. I need to stop. It's too long a ride. I'll check back in in July. Then maybe I'll get excited with the progress.

:goodbye:

who am i kidding....

They could cut the height of the base in half. I know I have heard of people who wear their pants over their waist, but on a skyscraper it's just ridicolus. However, the reason why the base was planned like that was to anticipate truck bombings comming from the streets that would be integrated.

For the record, this editorial is not pro-Towers.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/11182007/postopinion/editorials/downtown_dithering_76866.htm
DOWNTOWN DITHERING

November 18, 2007 -- Do Gov. Spitzer and Mayor Bloomberg want to rebuild Ground Zero?

If so, they must move swiftly to remove the dangerous monstrosity that may become the chief obstacle to rebuilding there - that is, the Deutsche Bank building.

Given the bureaucratic inertia that seems to have swallowed up that 9/11-scarred site, you'd think neither Spitzer nor Bloomberg cares much about its future.

Or about the long-term future of Downtown itself, which is counting on a rebirth at Ground Zero that can take place only after the Deutsche Bank building is gone.

Indeed, three months after a fatal fire at the building halted its demolition, the Lower Manhattan Development Corp., a state- and city-controlled entity that owns the property, remains at full stop.

The LMDC is still trying to figure out whether contaminants in the building should be cleaned completely before demolition resumes - or whether both jobs can go ahead simultaneously, as they did before the fire.

Officials also need to settle on contractors for the job. (A key subcontractor, the John Galt Corp., was fired after the blaze.) What are they waiting for?

Meanwhile, preliminary work - bolstering fire safety on the building and repairing some structural damage caused by the fire - is still being completed.

Yet just last month, officials promised that demolition work would have started by now: “We hope the deconstruction will resume at the beginning of November," vowed LMDC Chairman Avi Schick.

Maybe someone should have asked: November of what year?

Now, officials are saying that - assuming the stars line up - work might start next month.

Sure, delay is a hallmark of any operation involving government paper-clip twisters. And federal environmental regulators have doubtless done everything in their power to slow down the demolition.

But this job is different.

For one thing, every day that the building remains standing is another day that it remains a threat to the community.

Remember, the fire wasn't the only calamity at 130 Liberty. A few months before, a 15-foot pipe fell from the building and smashed through the roof of a nearby firehouse, injuring two firefighters. And only days after the blaze, a pallet jack fell, injuring two more of The Bravest.

Beyond that, there's the question of the future of Ground Zero itself.

As The Post's Steve Cuozzo has pointed out, construction work there is inextricably linked to the demolition of the bank tower.

If the structure doesn't get cleared away soon, it may hold up completion of the towers at Ground Zero.

Enough is enough.

Ground Zero should have been finished long ago - and the Deutsche Bank building should be just a bad memory by now.

Spitzer and Bloomberg are letting New Yorkers down by not assuring the building's immediate removal.

How 'bout it, Mike? Eliot?

That was an interesting read, thanks TalB. What I don't understand is how The DBB is going to seriously effect the future of the other towers/memorial at the site. I wish they'd finish the process, even if they have to with a diff contractor (seeing as the current really has no care for others lives). Maybe I'm missing something or I just misread, but the only thing I can think of would be a delay in the construction of WTC5. Is there more to this I'm not getting?:dunno:

130 Liberty Street has no influence over the Freedom Tower. ^



Once the GS Tower is topped and gets all of its glass, it will be time for this tower to start rising. These next few weeks are only going to get better and better. Towers 3 and 4 will start up in early January and then T2 a few months later, so come next month, there will always be a lot to watch, not that there isn't already. 99 Church Street and Beekman Tower better be completed by 2011.

The site where the tower stands is needed for the bus garage of the site and thus is pivatol to the garage part of the project. Also the bank shares an important sewer line with 4 WTC and 3 WTC I believe. So although it does not really affect 1 WTC it does affect the other two.

It's already half gone. They will be working on the foundations for the towers even if it's still there.

What an excellent project, go New York!

When the Freedom Tower's floor count got revised to 82, I thought 78 or 82 floors were not enough to heal the skyline of Lower Manhattan. Now that the floor count got revised again to 108, it may be 2 floors short, but 108 should be enough to heal the skyline.

Are they real 108 floors ? Has every floor one roof ( also the first 20 floors ) ?

not to take away attention from the FT or WTC redevelopement, but bids are in today for the Hudson Yards proposals....hard to imagine, but the scope of this project eats the WTC developement is size and scope (i know, i know, WTC redevelopement has more sentiment, importance etc...but this is huge)

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=548689

not to take away attention from the FT or WTC redevelopement, but bids are in today for the Hudson Yards proposals....hard to imagine, but the scope of this project eats the WTC developement is size and scope (i know, i know, WTC redevelopement has more sentiment, importance etc...but this is huge)

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=548689

Yes it does....and I'm thrilled about that!!!......yahooooo!!!

That was an interesting read, thanks TalB. What I don't understand is how The DBB is going to seriously effect the future of the other towers/memorial at the site. I wish they'd finish the process, even if they have to with a diff contractor (seeing as the current really has no care for others lives). Maybe I'm missing something or I just misread, but the only thing I can think of would be a delay in the construction of WTC5. Is there more to this I'm not getting?:dunno:
That building was full of asbestos, which is know to have toxic fumes. However, in terms of safety, it should be approached carefully. I know it could throw a wrench in the FT construction, but you can't put a price of safety. Of course this was a study taken by the NY Post, not me, and I don't work for them, so I can't answer how they came up with it.

It will NOT interfere with the constr. of the Freedom Tower.

I truly wish that you would stop saying this crap! I complained about this very thing in the new thread that you started. That this shouldn't be posted in this thread. If you don't know for sure about this, and it appears that you don't, then you should not be so quick to run your mouth and say it.

anyone have any pictures? of the current construction?

Just go a page or two back and you'll see some of the latest images.

Good progress, one of my favorite towers!

http://www.nysun.com/article/66714

Are they real 108 floors ? Has every floor one roof ( also the first 20 floors ) ?

Are they real 108 floors ? Has every floor one roof ( also the first 20 floors ) ?

No.

There will be 102 floors - 20 of them will be used for mech space.

There will be 102 floors - 20 of them will be used for mech space.

That is not entirely correct. Don't forget that they start on floor 20. Outside of mechanical floors, there are only around 70 true floors.

Actual floor count breakdown (IE each of these has an actual floor and a roof) is as follows:
Atrium - 1 floor
Offices - 44 floors
Sky Lobby - 1 floor
Offices - 24 floors
Transmission Equipment - 2 floors
Mechanical - 10 floors
Restaurant - 2 floors
Observation Deck - 1 floor

Total 'real' floors = 85
Total occupied floors (including atrium, sky lobby, restaurant and observation deck) = 73

This gets inflated by 18 because they count the atrium itself as 19 floors. The height then gets inflated with the 400+ foot mast on top also.

Some no-business born-insecure developers had started an ugly vicious rumor that the spire might not be as tall as planned.

Sounds like they're just trying to find something else about the tower to nit-pick at!!

I wasn't aware that the spire will be a functional antenna as well.

Some no-business born-insecure developers had started an ugly vicious rumor that the spire might not be as tall as planned.

Sounds like they're just trying to find something else about the tower to nit-pick at!!

Actually, I was wondering how you came up with 102 floors, when there actually are not that many. Can you break it down for us? Perhaps I'm mistaken.

I wasn't aware that the spire will be a functional antenna as well.

Good catch. I changed it to 'mast' in my prior post. In reality, it is simply a pole with some scaffolding around it.

The observation floor is floor 102 because office floors are numbered from 20 up starting at the top of the base, which is over 180' tall, and there are also floors on top of the observation floor. Let's not do this again. The final number is going to be over 102 no matter what anyone says. Also, let us not whine about the spire.


The height ain't being cut, and if you believe that it is, you lack a brain.

but you can't count 20 floors in the base when there are no floors

What if they're cutting the height of the mast in order to add to the roof height? Nah j/k.

http://www.nysun.com/article/66714
Just when we were told that they were done with the redesigning another one comes in, though that didn't suprise me.

Just when we were told that they were done with the redesigning another one comes in, though that would be my dream come true!!!.

there i fixed

130 Liberty Street has no influence over the Freedom Tower. ^



Once the GS Tower is topped and gets all of its glass, it will be time for this tower to start rising. These next few weeks are only going to get better and better. Towers 3 and 4 will start up in early January and then T2 a few months later, so come next month, there will always be a lot to watch, not that there isn't already. 99 Church Street and Beekman Tower better be completed by 2011.

great news,I'll be watching the GS becuase it's like half done.

This was posted a few pages ago.
http://www.onyxtree.com/IMAGE-GAL/gall-giroud4-960x540.jpg

Is that supposed to be the Freedom Tower base? It looks like a steel mesh cage from that rendering.

Yes that's the base of the Freedom Tower.

This thread has seriously fallen off. Please, let's keep things on topic.

Just when we were told that they were done with the redesigning another one comes in, though that didn't suprise me.



That is just an ugly vicious rumor that got started from oppossing developers who never wanted the tower to be built in thew first place. But they'll get over it.

Why wasn't it put in the papers? Why wasn't it on the news?

The observation floor is floor 102 because office floors are numbered from 20 up starting at the top of the base, which is over 180' tall, and there are also floors on top of the observation floor. Let's not do this again. The final number is going to be over 102 no matter what anyone says. Also, let us not whine about the spire.


The height ain't being cut, and if you believe that it is, you lack a brain.



Thank you, Ebola!

This also came from the LMDC's website. That the tower will have 102 floors with 82 of them occupiable.

I truly wish that people would try to get their facts straight before posting stuff about the tower, instead of just relying on ugly vicious rumors.

So, what will be the off floor count?
I mean how many points will get NY at emporis? :D

The only thing that I know is that the former design of the tower was going to be 70 floors. When the present design was unveild two sumers ago (June, '05), the tower's structural height was increased by reversing the dead space and putting it on the bottom
in the base, giving the tower 82 occipied floors.

At first, the other 20 floors were not mentioned until sometime this year maybe. But I KNEW that it has 82 occupied floors all along.

Yes that's the base of the Freedom Tower.

If they kept the superblock, then there wouldn't have been a need for a base that ugly.

It's better than most bases I've seen.

If they kept the superblock, then there wouldn't have been a need for a base that ugly.

I don't know if keeping the superblock would have prevented them from putting a supposed "bomb proof" base on this building, (which i personally thought was a bunch BS when the question was brought by the NYPD)

One would have to be a complete idiot to think the same thing would happen again at the same location, the Japanese did not attack Pearl Harbor twice.

Not only that, why don't towers 2, 3, and 4, have "bomb proof" bases as well.....????? Seems to me if a bomb were detonated at the base of these buildings the glass alone would kill hundreds of people.

If they kept the superblock, then there wouldn't have been a need for a base that ugly.



TalB, will you please keep your insulting comments to yourself? The superblock was broken up for obvious reasons, and you know it! To put the side streets back through Ground Zero as they once were before the former WTC was built.

If you've got nothing constructive to say about the tower, then stay the hell away from here!!

You've no right calling ANY PART of the Freedom Tower ugly!! You're whining ranting about why the former towers aren't being rebuilt, yet you're bashing almost every Freedom Tower thread with insults and name calling toward the tower. That's so not fair!

I'm really so fed up, sick and so tired of your constant negative talk against the tower! You don't want us calling the Twins ugly, so don't come here calling the Freedom Tower ugly. And you don't want us bashing that thread that you restarted, so don't come over here spreading any more of your extreme hatred on the tower. It's really goddamn aggravating, not to mention annoying!

If you think or feel that you must do that and start flipping out because the tower is being built, then please, stay over there and do it in that controversial & precious thread of yours that you've so happily and rapidly restarted. The one where YOU DON'T WANT ANYONE BASHING THE TWINS IN. The one where some of us will not even READ, much less post in.

nygirl is right.!!! You're just a controversial self-centered greedy spoiled and selfish little boy who goes around having temper tantrums in OUR threads - the Freedopm Tower threads and thinks that he has the right to condem the Freedom Tower and then poke every Freedom Tower thread with this ridiculous hatred and scorn and for ranting & raving about wanting the Twins back!! Yet you want to hog the limelight and spread all those ridiculous posts about the Twins possibly being built, everywhere!

Soon as someone says something about the Twins that's not to your liking, you imediately start accusing them of personally attacking you with insults. Enough already. Stop the abuse and stop the bullcrap.

Mark my words, you WILL be called out every time that you do this crap in this or any of the other Freedom Tower threads!!

For God's sakes, will you please grow up and dry up your tears?!

And for the last time, those two towers are NOT coming back!! No matter how much you try to complain them back into existance. Get over it! Deal with it!

Enough is enough! Any more of this constant toxic abuse from you in ANY of the Freedom Tower threads, and I will seek to have you banned or suspended from the forum!!!

7 WTC has a bomb proof base too right? It looks pretty good to me. And the FT's base isn't that bad either, I'm thinking that it will be similar to 7 WTC's base.