I think that it will turn out much more nicely than we expect it......pls go back to the time when the original WTC design was unveiled....people were also disappoint about it....but hey they became a such icon that it get destroyed....i dont want to critize now anything....we can see that the twins growed on the people, so why shouldnt it be the same with theese tower/s this/ theese are looking much better than that what was there......and the bomb proof base was redesigned to look more open.....before it was only a concrete block, what we could see in previos renders....IMO Silverstein and his team is doing the best they can....and who has ever thought thar they will build there 4 supertalls in the same time on GZ....noone...so all in all IMO this complex will turn out really nicely....

7 WTC has a bomb proof base too right? It looks pretty good to me. And the FT's base isn't that bad either, I'm thinking that it will be similar to 7 WTC's base.



I a way, yes, both bases ARE similar, other than these instances;

1. The base on 7 WTC is 80 ft. tall and it was put there mainly to house the six monster tranformers for the ConEd substation. Security wasn't an issue then.

2. The base on the Freedom Tower will have a 187-ft height down from 200 ft.. It will also feature a glass facade to hide the concrete walls and the giant steel beams will show though it.

7 WTC has a bomb proof base too right? It looks pretty good to me. And the FT's base isn't that bad either, I'm thinking that it will be similar to 7 WTC's base.

I agree, when the base of Tower one is completed, it might prove impressive...!!!

And Tower seven has a pretty decent base also,.........

Freedom tower is going to look far better than the renders when its complete!
:banana::banana::banana:

Freedom tower is going to look far better than the renders when its complete!
:banana::banana::banana:



Yes!! It will!:cheers::banana:

Not only that, why don't towers 2, 3, and 4, have "bomb proof" bases as well.....????? Seems to me if a bomb were detonated at the base of these buildings the glass alone would kill hundreds of people.

The fact that streets would be crossing through gives the assumption for a car or truck bomb.

That is just an ugly vicious rumor that got started from oppossing developers who never wanted the tower to be built in thew first place. But they'll get over it.

Why wasn't it put in the papers? Why wasn't it on the news?
Not every news like this is pro-Towers just b/c it speaks of another design debate like the one the NY Sun just had.

You can see the web cameras on top of the hilton.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v326/emerbot/IMG_1144.jpg

Oh wow, a picture showing cameras. You can really see the WTC construction progress in that.

Its been ages since any pics have been posted, apart from the camera`s on top of the hilton.....:lol:

What part of the memorial will look like.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v326/emerbot/IMG_1159.jpg
These were taken on the 5th.. the cranes have serial numbers 1166 and 1167, so they're quite new.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v326/emerbot/IMG_1151.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v326/emerbot/IMG_1150.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v326/emerbot/IMG_1149.jpg

Towers 3 and 4 will look like that in a few months. It shouldn't be long until we see the substructure as a whole form.


I'd build a masive, beautiful latticework tower of steel on top of the Freedom Tower to 1,776', call it the new spire or crown, and put a tall flagpole on top and make sure that it all gets lit up well at night. Since they don't need the 400-foot antenna, to hell with the spire and the sculptor who designed the spire to go around the antenna.

http://i6.tinypic.com/6sswuv9.jpg
It obviously wouldn't be exactly that color, but something like that would be the best option.
Maybe put a massive staircase as its core for those willing to climb up 400 feet with insane wind.
I still am not crazy for that ring, but I'm sure everything will work out fine and be amazing when completed.

"[The PANYNJ] could find another marketable use for the spire." I doubt that it would cost much and would not require a redesign of the building itself to make a small observation area on a redesigned spire.

In the end, this building will not be any less than 1,776 feet tall.

that spire looks ugly to me Ebola

Looks like the eiffal tower on top of the freedom tower!!!!

It DOES!

I like the spire much better!!

that spire looks ugly to me Ebola


How can you call the Eiffel Tower "ugly." :ohno:


Looks like the eiffal tower on top of the freedom tower!!!!


Where? What are you talking about? You're insane.



Well, if they are doing to do the spire over again, a hollow steel latticework tower on top of the Freedom Tower would look the best. I think the first spire with the 1,368' roof redesign was the best because it is my style:

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/1770/12ssftdgr1.jpg

How can you call the Eiffel Tower "ugly." :ohno:

i don't say the eiffel tower is ugly. but the FT with the Eiffel Tower as spire looks ugly!

Does anybody have any recent pictures as i think i read those last pictures were from the 5th??

no seria que en ultimas modificaciones en el edificio dejen de poner la antena y aumentar el numero de pisos o en altura el edificio y poner una antena menor.....seria buana noticia.

i think the spire is too tall for the complex concrete structure of the building...if they will rise the concrete structure up other 200 ft and the rest in spire could be better

I heard some great news a few pages ago so I'll be watching the goldman sachs:banana:

BTW,I'll post this agian
http://www.earthcam.net/users2/interface.php?i=0&id=445&projectid=202&clientid=158
it's a great webcam,it updates every 15 minutes.:)

but some days the webcam may be off:ohno:

I would rather not have any spire if the want to change the design any further.

flat roof at 541m? ^^

flat roof at 541m? ^^


That's what I wanted from the start, and so did David Childs. Larry Silverstein was the one in charge (developer) and chose not to build so high. :bash:

That's what I wanted from the start, and so did David Childs. Larry Silverstein was the one in charge (developer) and chose not to build so high. :bash:

Was it a question of cost? Need (or lack there of) of square footage?

http://i6.tinypic.com/6sswuv9.jpg


I don't like the proportions or style in this suggestion. The top either has to continue the aesthetics and design of the bottom OR has to contrast. This particular suggestion IMHO does neither and thus clashes with the actual building part.

ewwww, so fugly

Hmmmm... the boom on the south crane has been removed to either be lengthened or shortened or replaced or ???

FT would look best with no antenna at all. But if there must be a spire to 'fake' the height to the symblic 1776', then let's have a slender one

WTF???? :weird:

FT would look best with no antenna at all. But if there must be a spire to 'fake' the height to the symblic 1776', then let's have a slender one

Agreed. :)

http://i6.tinypic.com/6sswuv9.jpg



looks like the Eiffel tower :puke:

i like the current spire design

If you look at the webcam, the left crane has no boom.

Anybody know?

If you look at the webcam, the left crane has no boom.

Anybody know?


lmao good question

that spire sucks ebola!
:no::runaway:

If you look at the webcam, the left crane has no boom.

Anybody know?

Looks like they replaced two boom sections, probably due to damaged lacing or chord members. Overall length remained the same.

Yes, they did. It should be back up and running this afternoon, or sometime before dark.

so wait a sec, i dont wanna sound a bit slow or anything but are they not using this spire anymore!? i quite liked this one :(

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/1770/12ssftdgr1.jpg

Yes, they did. It should be back up and running this afternoon sometime before dark.

good,I thought they were tearing it down
so thanks daquan13.:):banana:

No, they hired a famous sculptor to make a new one.

The southern tower crane is back to normal.

and who did they hire

:lol:, ebola made only a joke :hilarious

^^ oh, i knew that :lol:

:lol:, ebola made only a joke :hilarious



It was half a joke and half serious. I still want a steel latticework tower on top of the Freedom Tower, sort of like the first spire, but a little larger!

so wait a sec, i dont wanna sound a bit slow or anything but are they not using this spire anymore!? i quite liked this one :(

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/1770/12ssftdgr1.jpg
I like this spire..

Has anyone seen the new Sharp flat screen TV's in their new commercial?

There are several of them being carried around by dancers, and it looks as though they show the New York skyline with the Freedom Tower in the background!

Looks like the tower has been in films and TV commercials even before
it's completed!! I'm quite sure that it will be the "new star" in films and TV as the backdrop in most New York City scenes.

Could you post a Youtube video of it or a picture if possible? I'm sure it will be interesting to see. Funny how the other three towers have been in public view for over a year now, but they are not as popular I guess because people are never up to date on these projects. Most people will say that they are not as iconic as the Twins, but in six years, the same people will be saying that they are even more amazing and iconic than the old WTC.

Maybe because construction for them hasn't started yet.

The Freedom Tower, at this point, seems to be the most talked about and most antisipated tower - mainly because since most people realise that the Twins aren't going to be rebuit, that they feel that SOMETHING needs to get back on the skyline scene and reclaim the skies over Ground Zero.

Or because it will be the tallest building in the complex - as tall as the old Twins.

This is a new forum dedicated to the new WTC

http://wtcdevelopement.myfreeforum.o...112094a2dd728c



Hmm this new thread isnt working !!??

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Thanx for the updates :okay:

Thank you!!

Good updates! 7WTC is pretty cool in these pics!

Excellent pictures!

Just great building in great city. Just Perfect:banana::banana::banana::banana:

http://www.wtcrising.com/images/FE/chain217siteType8/site187/client/photoGallery/189/view%20looking%20up%20_big.jpg

:okay:

That is how to build a skyscraper - Concrete columns with steel beams in the core.

Staircase just south of the east-west corridor is coming down it seems.

Great pictures ! Almost at street level !

its going to be great to see this once it gets to street level! it will really start to grow then!

Hell yeah!!!!!!:cheers::):banana:

^^^^
Does anybody know what the building next to tower 7 is called???
The one that looks like a sand castle. It looks really old next to tower 7 and once the rest of the trade centre is finished is going to look older...

The Verizon Building, I believe. The other one still is or was the Post Office Building.

Great Updates!.

WOW! I really like the construction cranes. Clean and sexy. Probably the best looking construction cranes in operations right now. They are probably cleaned everyday. :D

Its great to see Freedom Tower under construction

a quick question, when will it be finished?

About 09-11-11, provided everything remains on schedule and stays within the construction timetable.

^ It should open months before that, and top out about a year before that.


It looks like they are taking down the other tower crane. Shouldn't take long to fix/extend.

Looks like they're going to be lowering the boom on the north crane this weekend. There are two trucks with crane boom sections (just like last weekend).

Also, there is a new mobile crane being constructed in preparation for raising the steel for the north memorial.

Looks like they're going to be lowering the boom on the north crane this weekend. There are two trucks with crane boom sections (just like last weekend).

Also, there is a new mobile crane being constructed in preparation for raising the steel for the north memorial.



I figured that other crane would get an overhaul as well. Steel for the memorial. Great!!!

lol, look at goldman sachs smoking the whole trade center site. sad.

If I recall correctly, there was no visible progress on the GS site for almost two years.

This projects isn't years or months away from exploding, but only a few weeks from starting its fast climb to the long apex.

Have they decided yet if this stairway will be demolished? I used it to access the WTC plaza and Towers in July 2000 and when I visited the site on Sept.11 this year saw it as the only physical thing left not counting the familiar surrounding buildings. Using this as a starting point I could remember the plaza level and tower locations....I know it has been referred to as the survivors stairway but it effected me personally and my memories. Once the Freedom Tower and rest of the WTC is completed other than the memorials over the original tower footprints will there be any part of the original WTC existing in its original location? http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/4994/dsc09250hv4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
By redbaron_012 (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/redbaron_012)

A decision was made. I'm not sure, but I think it's being chopped up and moved to the WFC. Someone correct me if I'm wrong please.

The thing that gets me when you look at my pic is......you can imagine the original level of the plaza...you would have gone up this stair then turned left between WTC's 5 and 6...walk straight ahead and the corner of WTC 1 rose just to the right, you turned your head to the left...the bronze sphere slowly turned in the centre of the plaza with water running at it's base...flags flapping in the breeze...WTC 2 soaring right ahead of you....see I see all of this just looking at my pic of this lump of raw concrete...will it be the same if it is cut up and moved to a different location?.....If it becomes a choice of that or losing it completely I accept the move......and I'm just an Australian from the opposite side of the world so New Yorkers..and Americans may have stronger feelings.

Here's a guess at why they've changed the cranes booms. or had them down at least... when i was there about 3 weeks ago both cranes had single drop lines... ie one cable, which they actually tethered.. ie hooked on to a big concrete block each night... anyway, in one of the last photo's of the south crane, it now has a two drop line system.. So that's a wild guess at why they have changed them.. two lines are better that one..

Here's a guess at why they've changed the cranes booms. or had them down at least... when i was there about 3 weeks ago both cranes had single drop lines... ie one cable, which they actually tethered.. ie hooked on to a big concrete block each night... anyway, in one of the last photo's of the south crane, it now has a two drop line system.. So that's a wild guess at why they have changed them.. two lines are better that one..

Why would they need to change booms for this ? Differnt style of crane .... but here is how it is done in Chicago ( 353 N Clark ).

1 loop ( 2x wire for every x of lift )

http://lh4.google.com/harry.r.carmichael/R1KlvjR3UKI/AAAAAAAAPs4/m0QVS0aEFrM/P1050454.JPG?imgmax=640

just couple the 2 pullys together at the bottom, run the trucks together on the top, and you have a block and tackle.
2 loops ( 4x wire for every x of lift )

http://lh6.google.com/harry.r.carmichael/R1KlUDR3UII/AAAAAAAAPsc/OVwiiTOFklM/P1050486.JPG?imgmax=640

http://lh3.google.com/harry.r.carmichael/R1KlmTR3UJI/AAAAAAAAPso/mcZHGCSYNbg/P1080375.JPG?imgmax=720

A decision was made. I'm not sure, but I think it's being chopped up and moved to the WFC. Someone correct me if I'm wrong please.



Last I heard and read about the sairway it that it's supposed to be preserved
and reused for Ground Zero - possibly for the memorial.

There was a rendering somewhere that shows the stairs put next to new ones in the memorial.

Advocates who were fighting for old WTC artifacts to be saved, had won the right to have the stairway saved and be reused for Ground Zero.

Yeah, it's such a shame that most other construction projects got started way before the ones at Ground Zero!

Last I heard and read about the sairway it that it's supposed to be preserved
and reused for Ground Zero - possibly for the memorial.

There was a rendering somewhere that shows the stairs put next to new ones in the memorial.

Advocates who were fighting for old WTC artifacts to be saved, had won the right to have the stairway saved and be reused for Ground Zero.

Yeah, it's such a shame that most other construction projects got started way before the ones at Ground Zero!

As far as I know - they were supposed to take in entirely and preserve for the future museum as well as other pieces of original WTC (like outside metal parts)

Both of tower cranes are back to normal now and the entire site is white from the small storm we got.

Almost street level, the construction looks nice. I hope we can see the tower growing in the first days of 2008.

The first days of 2008, you'll see the sublevel structures being erected, with the base itself rising in June, and the entire building being topped out in 2010.

Does anyone here know anything detailed about the Freedom Tower's structure besides the fact that it has a concrete core and and a stiff, strong steel moment frame and the other obvious stuff? Will any columns rise at an angle? Will some of them be made out of concrete? Will there be steel cross bracing below grade, like with the old WTC?

Does anyone here know anything detailed about the Freedom Tower's structure besides the fact that it has a concrete core and and a stiff, strong steel moment frame and the other obvious stuff? Will any columns rise at an angle? Will some of them be made out of concrete? Will there be steel cross bracing below grade, like with the old WTC?

If I remember correctly it is going to be a mix of both concrete and steel on the lower and podium floors (forgive me if I'm wrong).

There will be angled giant steel columns around the cercumfrence of the concrete base above street level according to the renderings.

They can be seen just behind the glass panels.

I don't mean to rain on anyone's parade, but even if Spitzer does approove the Fraudem Tower, I don't think it could be celebrated as victory just yet. Keep in mind that both the PA and Silverstein have been unable to get the some of the insuarance money that they needed. Another thing could be that the demolition of Deustche was said to a major setback the FT and another delay was said to cause the entire site to be put on hold.



So, Captain Obvious, is that your final opinion on the outlook of the Freedom Tower? Or do you have more bad news for us?

The Spokesman for the formers towers and the WTCRM has spoken. That, as always, is NOT true!

However, the Burj Dubai will have 162 OCCUPIED floors. Even it if it didn't have a spire, it would still be the WTB. When you look at the Freedom Tower, it only has 69 occuppied floors yet its overall height is said to be 1,776 ft. The highest occupied floor falls short of the highest one in the Sears Tower, so that means that it can't even be the nation's tallest. Also, I find it rather odd how it can even jump to 1,776 ft when the roof is only 1,368 ft. Wait a minute, it is b/c of that long spire. I don't care what the CTBUH rules says what counts, spires are cheating for height b/c they are nothing but structual elements.



What the freak part of this are you not getting?!!

For the last time, the Freedom Tower with have 82 occupied floors with 20 mech. floors. Over, done, end of story. Kaput.

i looooove snowww!!

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/741/60222405iv2.jpg

too bad its melted now
lol

^^^^:drool:

fantastic...

in the last 1-2 weeks i couldn't see much progress on the cam

^^ ANd now all we can see is snow. ;) Great pic.

in the last 1-2 weeks i couldn't see much progress on the cam

In the last 1-2 years, I couldn't see much progress on the cam.
seriously. If you would have told any of us on april 2006 that 4 months shy of the 2 yr anniversary of the last ground breaking, we'd still be below grade, we'd all be griping. btw, last year at this time was the excitement of those initial steel beams.....hey hey looky looky, they're still there for all to see. those things are probably no good anymore, being exposed for 4 seasons like that. this project draaaags. :drool:

i looooove snowww!!

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/741/60222405iv2.jpg

too bad its melted now
lol



Yikes!!! Ground Zero looks almost like the dusting that occuered right after the towers fell on 09-11!

WOW, BEAUTIFUL VIEW.. IT LOOKS AMAZING..

Ground Zero looks almost like the dusting at occuered right after the towers fell on 09-11!

creepy :ohno:

Yeah, I was gonna say that was kinda morbid....

But atleast the snow has melted and it business as usual!

In the last 1-2 years, I couldn't see much progress on the cam.
seriously. If you would have told any of us on april 2006 that 4 months shy of the 2 yr anniversary of the last ground breaking, we'd still be below grade, we'd all be griping. btw, last year at this time was the excitement of those initial steel beams.....hey hey looky looky, they're still there for all to see. those things are probably no good anymore, being exposed for 4 seasons like that. this project draaaags. :drool:

The rate of building on projects like this really make you wonder what good all of our modern does us. When we look back at how long it took to build the Empire State Building and the Pentagon with the equipment we had then it's hard to believe it takes us so long to do anything today! Considering all the high tech CAD that's used for the design and all the high Tech Equipment used for construction the only possible source of the slow pace of work has to be the people. It's not beneficial to the politicians nor to the union's to complete projects rapidly!:bash: If things had taken this long to complete in the past we would have never won WWII, landed on the Moon nor achieved many other things in America.

As it has been stated many times, once the tower has reached street level, pace will really pick up. The foundation and basement floors from the FT are more complex than for a normal building. Plus you throw in everything else that has happened with the site (i.e. design, redesign, bureaucracy), now that there is actual visual progress going on, you'd think these types of posts would come to an end...silly me.:bash: oh, and you ruined my avatar with that post!:ohno:

Maybe I missed a memo or two but did they ever start working 24/7 at the WTC site, or was that idea shot down?

Well I think it's something like 20/7 work. There's always something going on. The PA has to complete the slurry walls by the last day of December or they get fined for being late. Towers 3 and 4 start up on Jan 2, and in June, 99 Church Street and Tower 2 will start up, which is when Freedom Tower will start to rise as fast as we are seeing the GS Tower go up. By 2009, I bet that most of the base will be completed.

According to info posted here not too long ago, the bathtub on the east side of Ground Zero was supposed to be completed.

It seems like the formwork for the southern core has been moved up. Not sure but that is what it looks like.

gee how can you work in such conditions? we hate it here in sydney when it gets to 12C.

It seems like the formwork for the southern core has been moved up. Not sure but that is what it looks like.



Yeah, I strongly believe that it HAS started to rise! I've come to realise that a building of this magnetude has to be carefully undertaken, which means that it might seem slow at times.

But they all have to try to remember that as loong as the core is not high enough, then the steel frame won't start being put up, since the core helps to bear the weight of the whole thing.


Culwulla, yeah. One of the most brutal times of the year to be working outside in construction.

Which is why if I EVER get another job, it won't be outside if I can help it!

The amount of rebar going into the core is ridiculous. I guess you can say its very comparable to an early set back (first or second) for the trump tower. All you have to do is look at the webcam and just see all that rebar sticking out (and they still have a ways to go before they rebar the 2nd floor for the core).

I am very sure the amount of rebar has to do with the fact that the PATH keeps the core from being square on the first floor.

You mean the lowest floor? About 30 feet below grade?
Because the core isn't distorted on the first floor (street level), according to the floor plans I've seen.


http://www.projectrebirth.org/albums/freedomTower_design_changes/groundFloor.jpg

^They'll be building that in June.

From what I understand, that meter-plus thick wall of concrete around the base only rises about 20 or 50 feet high to prevent assholes from driving a truck bomb into the core, but there's also a lot of those small pillars that prevent vehicles from getting close to the building.
Sticking up from the wall will be massive columns, and we'll always be able to see them, even after the tower's completed. When we see them, that's when we really start to party.

The mega columns rise from the top of the entrances of the tower.

http://z.about.com/d/architecture/1/7/C/h/freedomtowerModelBaseNight_06-27-06.jpg

Simple and iconic. People will be able to know that it's the WTC at first glance.

I'm sure that all of the entrances are made out of clear glass and you'll be able to see the structure keeping it in place, like with 7WTC. It's really going to make people happy. It's like an upgrade from 7WTC.

http://www.jets.org/newsletter/1106/7WTC-1.jpg

Yes the first basement floor.

The basement of 7th World Trade Center is :drool: i like it..

The basement of 7th World Trade Center is :drool: i like it..

Yes, I agree, never seen that photo before. Awesome blue cave.

It seems like the formwork for the southern core has been moved up. Not sure but that is what it looks like.

iirc it's on the 2nd level still? been on 2nd level for about two weeks :S

in the last 1-2 weeks i couldn't see much progress on the cam

What is the URL link to the live cam?

damn...freedom tower is going too slow for my tastes. When is this tower supposed to be done anyways?

2011

What is the URL link to the live cam?

Here's the link to the Earthcam (http://www.earthcam.net/users2/interface.php?i=0&id=445&projectid=202&clientid=158) webcam looking at the WTC site.

Re: the spire. Does anyone else think it would be interesting if the spire were bulged near, but not quite at, the bottom, so that the effect would be the tower looking from the distance like a lit candle? To me, this would be fitting in a number of ways:

1. Solves the problem of putting a spire on a design that really doesn't call for one, by giving it some sort of frame of reference
2. Serves much symbolic purpose, sort of as an analogue to the Statue of Liberty's flame indicating "freedom enlightening the world"
3. Indicates a sort of "perpetual flame" for the victims of 9/11, along with being instantly distinctive and indicative of a solemn site.

Just my thoughts. If you hate the idea, fine, de gustibus non est disputandum. Let me know what you think, though.

^^ I love that idea, but I think everything will remain as is.

Clever idea though...

Re: the spire. Does anyone else think it would be interesting if the spire were bulged near, but not quite at, the bottom, so that the effect would be the tower looking from the distance like a lit candle? To me, this would be fitting in a number of ways:

1. Solves the problem of putting a spire on a design that really doesn't call for one, by giving it some sort of frame of reference
2. Serves much symbolic purpose, sort of as an analogue to the Statue of Liberty's flame indicating "freedom enlightening the world"
3. Indicates a sort of "perpetual flame" for the victims of 9/11, along with being instantly distinctive and indicative of a solemn site.

Just my thoughts. If you hate the idea, fine, de gustibus non est disputandum. Let me know what you think, though.

Definently, perfect idea, i wish you could send it to someone at the head of the project so they could change the design, best idea ive heard in a while!

As of December, there's really nothing left to do except to built the tower itself now, which is why 2008 is the year when we see everything take shape and go up. The company hired to build the substructure will be hard at work from now on until June.

Isn't Tishman building the whole thing?

I dunno.

'No progress:' :ohno:

Since 2007

• 35,000 cubic yards of concrete poured
• 3,400 concrete trucks
• 2,200 tons of structural steel erected
• over 1,000 tons of steel rebar in place
• over 40,000 cubic yards of debris removed
• over 220 rock anchors drilled
• tower cranes set
• building structure near street level

Actually construction really started n Sept 06 not April.

They need to provide us with a new construction fact sheet from 2008 on because the next phase of construction is starting.

They've only started building it in April '06. What more do you want?

Nothing really. But it's slow, and understandably so. I mean this is a huge building, no one should expect the foundation work to be done in an instant. But like Ebola said, once it's completed in 2008 the tower should start rising quickly.

Actually construction really started n Sept 06 not April.



Construction of the tower began on Thursday April 27, 2006 at 0830, NOT September.

Go look it up if you want to.

The formwork definitely went up. If you compare Sundays picture and todays picture you'll see that the core forms are now up to the same level as the core floor gorms, which wasnt the case on Sunday.

Construction of the tower began on Thursday April 27, 2006 at 0830, NOT September.

Go look it up if you want to.

Nvm. I am thinking about when the new renders of towers 2-4 were pressented.

Thank you.

first time poster long time reader, any idea what is going on with the entrance to the FT pit? About 1030 yesterday they baricaded closes side to webcam, about 10 30 today they switched the sides on the barricades?

Hmm, something arrived on the webcam on a flat bed trucky, looks very long and slender and might be some steel, but I can't be sure because of the distance from the webcam. Also it could be something else which I forgot what it could be but Tag_One posted what that was. (boy that sentence is confusing, reading it again).

Sorry if this is offtopic, but does the web cam is broken? I am going to the HD GZ cam and there stand "archieve loading" and that for minutes.

Can someone help me?!

Sorry if this is offtopic, but does the web cam is broken? I am going to the HD GZ cam and there stand "archieve loading" and that for minutes.

Can someone help me?!

i've been looking for an answer for months....it hasn't worked for me since they tried to get fancy with the HD camera. thanks a lot EarthCam. I've tried all browsers, i have the latest flash, it just doesn't work. :speech: sounds like you have the same problem

Hmm, something arrived on the webcam on a flat bed trucky, looks very long and slender and might be some steel, but I can't be sure because of the distance from the webcam. Also it could be something else which I forgot what it could be but Tag_One posted what that was. (boy that sentence is confusing, reading it again).



Do you have a pic of it that you can post? Someone might be able to make out what it is.

It think at least one truckload a week has been coming with some more steel.

Hmm, something arrived on the webcam on a flat bed trucky, looks very long and slender and might be some steel, but I can't be sure because of the distance from the webcam. Also it could be something else which I forgot what it could be but Tag_One posted what that was. (boy that sentence is confusing, reading it again).

Wow that last sentence, I thought that only Shakespeare could write that difficult :lol:
You mean the truck that arrived at about 10:30? I watched them carefully but they doesn't seem to be columns or pipes. It looks like they're piles or something for the underpass project. Between 12:15 and 12:30 the "piles" where moved away from the site. The drivers of the cranes where lunching by that time so they couldn't be hoisted to the Freedom Tower site. Hope that helps a bit. :cheers:

New pics from WTC rising ( December ):

http://i5.tinypic.com/87kmhwx.jpg

http://i16.tinypic.com/6wzohmp.jpg

http://i2.tinypic.com/6sg7bsn.jpg

http://i17.tinypic.com/6wxhibs.jpg

http://i2.tinypic.com/6t2uqon.jpg

http://i6.tinypic.com/6u7vjmc.jpg

thanks for the pics, ZZ-II

That pic of the 7 WTC..with the blue lighting is the ground level. Or in U.S speak...level 1....Is that what you were referring to as the basement ?

You might be able to find pics of the new station - both interior and exterior at SSP. I saw them there before.

Also, try this address; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center?%28PATH_station%29 .

The World Trade Center main page will download. Scroll down to the section that reads; The Other Buildings. You should see the words PATH Staion. Click on that, and near the bottom of that page, you'll find a pic of the new station kiosk there. Good luck!

The station IS u/c, but it's just not to the point where anyone can make out the shape of it yet.

I think progress on the site is moving along at a good pace, however 30 years in highrise construction and an understanding of how complicated foundation systems for any building could be (especially this particular foundation, with it's "special" aspects) could explain why i feel this way.

As most of you know this IS the most important part of any tall structure, any extra time that might be spent on it's installation is time well spent as far as i'm concerned,

So from my point of view, progress is good....!!!

^^ Good updates, thanks for updating pictures. :)

WOW! this could be an additional icon/landmark within NY...:)

I am so excited about this tower!!! It's gonna be such a good addition to this part of Manhattan.
And what beautiful symbolism of rebirth.

In no way should ground zero reconstruction be compared to Chicago spire or any other project.

and the complexity and emotional attachment of rebuilding the world trade centers is many, many, many times that of anything else u/c.

So to expect this building to grow out of the ground like a wildflower is just irrational.

Please be patient and consider EVERYTHING that is involved with this construction and not just the concrete and steel.

Well said, and by this time next year the steel of all four towers will be rising surely a sight to behold as the emotional attachment holds true for me also, you see when the original WTC was being constructed I was in middle school trying to figure out which direction I was going to go with my life, and even though my father and grandfather were both in the construction trades, I was not to sure if I would fallow the same path (I was thinking of becoming an architect) but as i watched from afar the twin towers rise (newspapers, television, and whatever info friends of the family brought back from trips to NYC) I realized that I, like my dad and grandpa, wanted to be up there helping put these giant towers together, and by 1978 I was walking iron above downtown Los Angeles.

Still to this day I cannot put into words how i felt as I watched those towers fall to the ground, it was almost the same as when I lost my grandfather and my father, like losing a member of my own family. and i'm sure many whom were inspired like me felt the same way.

It's time for the tallest office building in the world to start to grow tall and by 2011, most of the largest office complex in the world will be completed once again. Like TiconLA said, by late 2009, steel for all of the buildings will be rising and it will be one hell of a sight. The wait is over because the foundation and PATH track relocation is completed. Right now is when we see the substructure turn into the support for the most important, amazing, and iconic building. With all of the towers going up in lower Manhattan, between 2008 and 2011, it will be like building eight Empire State Buildings at once. Six, maybe seven or eight (in LOWER Manhattan alone) buildings with roofs over 800' will be going up simultaneously, all in one small area; the lower Manhattan skyline alone will be enough to take on any other. Not one of the renderings or models I have ever seen has shown all of the new skyscrapers lower Manhattan will have in five years. The same thing will be happening for midtown too with their megaprojects.

This week the walls of B2 of the left core will be poured. Like the last time they're installing the polystyrene insulation on the forms again. Soon my little girl will be 8 meter (27 feet) tall :cheers:

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I was wondering the other day:

Is it known if the Ground Zero site will be a big gaping hole for the next five years?

Naturally, a lot of things need to be rebuild, but will there just be streets in between the rising towers in two years? I'm sure a big site like this is convenient, but it's nice how close you can get to other supertall projects in NY.

It's time for the tallest office building in the world to start to grow tall and by 2011, most of the largest office complex in the world will be completed once again. Like TiconLA said, by late 2009, steel for all of the buildings will be rising and it will be one hell of a sight. The wait is over because the foundation and PATH track relocation is completed. Right now is when we see the substructure turn into the support for the most important, amazing, and iconic building. With all of the towers going up in lower Manhattan, between 2008 and 2011, it will be like building eight Empire State Buildings at once. Six, maybe seven or eight (in LOWER Manhattan alone) buildings with roofs over 800' will be going up simultaneously, all in one small area; the lower Manhattan skyline alone will be enough to take on any other. Not one of the renderings or models I have ever seen has shown all of the new skyscrapers lower Manhattan will have in five years. The same thing will be happening for midtown too with their megaprojects.

It is going to be pretty dense down there. Plus 2 big subway and Path stations (WTC station and Fulton on Broadway) will bring a lot of people. Plus the museum an memorial. There is no need for more towers over there -just restaurants and shopping to make the area more alive than before. Do anybody know about the proposed underground mall at WTC?

From what I know, the retail area will be under this tower, and under and inside the bases of 2-4WTC.
That means it's most likely being built right now. Maybe there is a below grade map that shows where the retail areas go.

Maybe there is a below grade map that shows where the retail areas go.

there is.....somewhere....

Most likely made by the PANYNJ.

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Better late than never.

What's the upcoming schedule for the tower(s)?.

Will the FT have a mass demper or something to work against the swaying?

No, it doesn't need stuff like tuned mass dampers because Manhattan is very stable and the tower itself is very strong.

Here's some more information on the WTC's retail space and I had NO idea they were really considering adding a hotel to the project.

b. Retail
The World Trade Center contained highly diverse retail stores that served visitors and
downtown workers as well as neighborhood residents. The new retail program at the Site will
provide for approximately 500,000 to 600,000 square feet of retail. Retail uses at or above grade
will be maximized while providing spaces for other at-grade uses.

c. Hotel and Conference Center
The Marriott Hotel at the WTC Site was a 22-story hotel with 820 rooms, with meeting
and support space. Most of its customers were business travelers. Lower Manhattan needs to
replace this hotel space to serve existing and expected new businesses and residents, as well as
the visitors to new cultural and Memorial uses.
Downtown lacks a large venue for conferences. Conference facilities and hotel are
desirable on the Site because of its central location and excellent access to the regional
transportation network. The Redevelopment Program could include a hotel with up to 800
rooms and up to 150,000 square feet of conference space. The location and conceptual design of
any hotel is still being studied and will be determined by the City and the Port Authority at a
later date.

It might mean another large building or small tower.

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haha, od; the ultimatum.

No, it doesn't need stuff like tuned mass dampers because Manhattan is very stable and the tower itself is very strong.

Here's some more information on the WTC's retail space and I had NO idea they were really considering adding a hotel to the project.

b. Retail
The World Trade Center contained highly diverse retail stores that served visitors and
downtown workers as well as neighborhood residents. The new retail program at the Site will
provide for approximately 500,000 to 600,000 square feet of retail. Retail uses at or above grade
will be maximized while providing spaces for other at-grade uses.

c. Hotel and Conference Center
The Marriott Hotel at the WTC Site was a 22-story hotel with 820 rooms, with meeting
and support space. Most of its customers were business travelers. Lower Manhattan needs to
replace this hotel space to serve existing and expected new businesses and residents, as well as
the visitors to new cultural and Memorial uses.
Downtown lacks a large venue for conferences. Conference facilities and hotel are
desirable on the Site because of its central location and excellent access to the regional
transportation network. The Redevelopment Program could include a hotel with up to 800
rooms and up to 150,000 square feet of conference space. The location and conceptual design of
any hotel is still being studied and will be determined by the City and the Port Authority at a
later date.

It might mean another large building or small tower.

Wow - this is pretty big mall. If you ever been to Garden state Plaza which is 1,987,000 ft² and has about 300 stores. This one is almost one third of it - for the NYC this is huge. Plus I am sure more places will open around it. Hopefully it will be a nice place to hang out.

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I have not argued with TalB for a while now. As a matter of fact, my last reply to him wasn't even an argument.

I've since aploligiized to him in a pm. Jmancuso has also already talked to me in a pm. And I've since told him that I would not argue with TalB any more.

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So you mean we can't say something like, "Man this is taking a long time"? I mean I'm not saying that because I think it's going pretty fast, but I'm wondering if you mean something like that or just asking something like "When do you think the next level will start" or "when do you think the base will be completed."

It took me a long time, but I found the map that shows the subgrade retail area's:
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2004/12/15/nyregion/blocks.184.1.500.jpg
It seems that most of the subgrade retail is located along the 9A underpass and the transit hub. :cheers:

and under towers 3 and 4


thanks for finding it.. i love that map :D

btw, i'm just wondering.... how does the ramp come out? cause soon it'll have to. Do they just take it all off and then hoist stuff up and out of there?

It took me a long time, but I found the map that shows the subgrade retail area's:
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2004/12/15/nyregion/blocks.184.1.500.jpg
It seems that most of the subgrade retail is located along the 9A underpass and the transit hub. :cheers:


Thank you. I was up half of the night trying to find that picture.

I'm looking at floor plans and it looks like to me 1 of the towers memorials ( holes) will be deeper than the other one? or why there is memorial in b4?

So you mean we can't say something like, "Man this is taking a long time"? I mean I'm not saying that because I think it's going pretty fast, but I'm wondering if you mean something like that or just asking something like "When do you think the next level will start" or "when do you think the base will be completed."

It's fine to discuss timetables for various aspects of the project. But I will no longer tolerate people coming to this thread specifically to complain about the pace of construction. Clearly, it's a topic that has been beaten senseless and only serves to annoy many of those who regularly post here. And I don't blame them.

It took me a long time, but I found the map that shows the subgrade retail area's:
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2004/12/15/nyregion/blocks.184.1.500.jpg
It seems that most of the subgrade retail is located along the 9A underpass and the transit hub. :cheers:

Now we are talking. :cheers:
Thanks for the plan. :)

btw, i'm just wondering.... how does the ramp come out? cause soon it'll have to. Do they just take it all off and then hoist stuff up and out of there?

According to WTCRising.com on the construction progress page, the ramp is scheduled to be demolished in April 2008 to allow for the north memorial's steel structure to be built/completed. After that it'll be the same as FT now where everything has to be lifted by crane.

shot from december:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2109/2104638210_caf659c608_b.jpg

Looks like its almost halfway to street level.

More on remains.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/12/nyregion/12remains.html?ref=nyregion
Ground Zero Hunt for Remains Is Mostly Done

By DIANE CARDWELL
Published: December 12, 2007

An expanded search for human remains begun last year at ground zero is largely completed, according to a memorandum sent to Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg on Tuesday and ushering in a new phase of operations.

Deputy Mayor Edward Skyler, who is overseeing the search, said in the memo that the medical examiner’s office had completed examining debris from most of the areas officials identified in October 2006 after the discovery of 201 bones and bone fragments in an abandoned Consolidated Edison manhole on the west edge of the World Trade Center site.

The search has thus far recovered 1,772 possible human remains from 15,000 cubic yards of debris at a cost of $38 million, according to the memo. Officials have completed operations at 140 Liberty Street, where St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church once stood, and along the haul road between Vesey and Cedar Streets.

The searches are largely finished on Cedar Street from Washington to West Street and in an area in front of the World Financial Center bounded by Vesey, Albany and West Streets.

Several other areas — including Fiterman Hall, the ground beneath the Deutsche Bank building, and underground structures west of Broadway between Barclay and Albany Streets — remain to be searched, Mr. Skyler wrote, but are not yet accessible.

As demolition and construction moves forward, Mr. Skyler wrote, officials plan to continue examining debris from new locations, but that will be handled by a mobile unit rather than at the medical examiner’s recovery lab at 11 Water Street in Brooklyn.

“The conversion of 11 Water Street to a mobile platform acknowledges the sad reality that the search for remains will go on as long as there is excavation activity in and around the W.T.C. site,” he wrote. “With the considerable expertise of its top scientific and operations staff, the city is well prepared to continue this search, wherever it leads.”

The developments are unlikely to mollify many of the victims’ families, who are waiting for the remains of their loved ones and have criticized the way the search has been handled from the start.

“The whole process of the search and reclamation of human remains was mishandled from 9/12 on,” said Sally Regenhard, who has not recovered the remains of her son Christian, a probationary firefighter who died in the terror attack. Saying that the city had signed off on the area being free of remains long before more remains were discovered, she added, “It’s wrong, and you just can’t manipulate and dance around something that has been wrong from the beginning.”

i still like the project, but it isn't the same like this ... http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=t0kk_R2wvtI&feature=related i just miss' em :(

whats that wall for in the middle of the pic.

its underground passage to WFC... goes under fulton st. and west... part of the shopping mall to

the ice on the webcam is slowwwlyyy taking over!

In less than three weeks, the rest of this project starts up and we start the climb to the peak of construction. The WTC alone will be the same as building four Empire State Buildings at once. This project is a centerpiece of humanity and just one of the diamonds on the crown of the city.

Just Lower Manhattan’s skyline alone is as good as any other. Aside from the Freedom Tower and rest of the WTC, three other supertall skyscrapers and two shorter ones, you have the new transit center, Fulton Street hub, and all of the at grade and below grade connections between all of the buildings of the WTC and WFC, with a lot of retail areas too. The entire area is getting utility and street upgrades and the South Ferry Terminal and its subway extension will be completed in 2009. West Street is being transformed and the WFC will be getting that cool floating ferry terminal.

New parks and waterfronts will open all over downtown. There’s over $22 billion dollars work of construction going on just at and around the area around the WTC site; the city and people involved are really investing a lot into every aspect of the area. In terms of the bigger towers, you have the GS HQ Tower, the same height as 7WTC, right next to the Freedom Tower and WFC, 99 Church Street – an amazing 70-story condo and hotel tower being built by Silverstein Properties, 123 Washington Street – a new hotel skyscraper right nest to WTC Tower 5, 50 West Street, a residential skyscraper with over 60 floors going up close to 123 Washington, 80 South Street – a possible supertall condo tower and one of the tallest, the 65-floor West Street Residential Tower, the Intercontinental Hotel with 55 floors, the Sheraton Downtown and Gold Street Hotel towers, the Diamond Exchange Tower, 161 Maiden Lane by the water, 8 Spruce Street – a 75-story tower likely over 900 feet tall, 56 Leonard Street, a 800-foot-tall tower, and many other buildings over 500 feet tall. There is too much to mention and most of its catalyst was the WTC. All of this is just in lower Manhattan. Midtown Manhattan literally has three times the amount of stuff going on. But it's clear that what everyone has their eyes on right now is the WTC. No one will be let down because the new year starts the climb to the apex of construction. The Freedom Tower groundbreakings and first erection of steel may have been for show, but in a few months, there will be too much construction for one person to grasp. That's why the LMCCC had to be formed.

The WTC alone will be the same as building four Empire State Buildings at once.
Where do you come up with the fact that the WTC alone (I'm assuming you mean WTC-1) will be the same is building for Empire State Building's? Yes, it's a little taller but since the facing on the EBS is all solid stone I'm sure the weight is more than WTC-1. Also a much smaller portion of the ESB is unoccupied space and thus relatively unfinished. What fact are you referring to saying that WTC is four times the EBS?:hm:

ESB is definitely not heavier than the Freedom Tower ^^

Where do you come up with the fact that the WTC alone (I'm assuming you mean WTC-1) will be the same is building for Empire State Building's? Yes, it's a little taller but since the facing on the EBS is all solid stone I'm sure the weight is more than WTC-1. Also a much smaller portion of the ESB is unoccupied space and thus relatively unfinished. What fact are you referring to saying that WTC is four times the EBS?:hm:

He's including all the towers of the WTC when he said that.

Where do you come up with the fact that the WTC alone (I'm assuming you mean WTC-1) will be the same is building for Empire State Building's? Yes, it's a little taller but since the facing on the EBS is all solid stone I'm sure the weight is more than WTC-1. Also a much smaller portion of the ESB is unoccupied space and thus relatively unfinished. What fact are you referring to saying that WTC is four times the EBS?:hm:

The ESB is not made of solid stone. It's made of a steel frame with stone and aluminum cladding. This way the ESB is a relative light structure. The Freedom Tower will be made from a steel frame covered with concrete and a concrete core. This is the strongest combination possible and it's also capable to withstand huge fires. However it's weights quite a lot because of the concrete. So I don't think the ESB will weight more than the FT.

i dont think ebola was saying the wtc will weigh more than 4x the esb LMAO

i'm pretty sure he was just comparing the magnitude (in terms of sq ft) of the whole wtc to something that everyone is familiar with, the esb...

Exaggeration is also an art.

The ESB had a huge impact on the skyline when it was build just like the Freedom Tower will have now. Then it was the beginning of the 'age of supertalls' together with the Chrysler Building, now we can only imagine how big their impact was in those days.

But The Freedom Tower does have a bigger emotional impact of course, but that's logical.

i dont think ebola was saying the wtc will weigh more than 4x the esb LMAO

i'm pretty sure he was just comparing the magnitude (in terms of sq ft) of the whole wtc to something that everyone is familiar with, the esb...

Yeah, pretty sure he was talking about WTC 1-4...

He's not talking about the freakin weight of the concrete. Everyone takes everything so literally, heh.

There was no exaggeration. With the steel it takes to build six or seven Empire State Buildings, you could build the new WTC one time (I think it includes all the below grade steel too.)

Building WTC Towers 1, 2, 3, and 4 is the same as building the Empire State Building four times over in terms of size and impact on the skyline. Obviously the Freedom Tower is much bigger than the ESB and Tower 4 is a little smaller than it. Towers 2 and 3 are around the same size.

You have to put it into a historic perspective.

Before 1930 there were only 2 building taller then 200 meter, then in 3 years time 8 200m+ towers were finished. The building boom in the 30s had clearly a huge impact on the skyline back in those days. Currently 4 of the 5 tallest buildings in New York were completed between 1930 and 1932, so they still have a big impact. The only two towers that had the same impact as those towers were the WTC twins.

In terms of construction the ESB and all the big towers in those days was a bigger challenge. The architects and builders were really pioneering back then, going as high as possible at that time. It's more comparable with the Burj Dubai then the Freedom Tower, although that doesn't mean that building anything higher then 300m nowadays isn't a challenge anymore. But it's not as groundbreaking anymore.

The current building boom will have a new big impact on the skyline, they can only do that by building higher then the ESB. The number of towers going up right now makes it also as exiting as back in those days.

Let's summarize, ESB = Freedom Tower, when it comes to impact.

Opinion, but who are you to say that? No one has even seen the future skyline yet.

I don't think you will be disappointed if the current boom will have the same impact as the ESB, Chrysler Building, American International Building and The tower that is now known as Trump Building had back in those days.

Pictures are always good.

1931
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/1597/panoramphotonewyorkcty1py6.jpg

2012
http://i19.tinypic.com/6ferssn.jpg

It's always good to look back at the history and see that such buildings had a big impact on the city. It's even better to know that there are enough projects right now in New York that continue this history of making an impact on the skyline. But just because the ESB got less steel then the FT doesn't make it less of a building, especially with such a history.

The current boom about to hit the city will NOT have the same impact as the ESB, Chrysler Building, American International Building, Trump, ect's boom; it will have an impact that's bigger and much different. It could turn NY from that postcard skyline to a skyline that will take decades for people to recognize again, but it's all for the best. I doubt that Freedom Tower will remain the biggest building for more than a decade.

A little trivia but did you know that the ESB weighs less than the burden removed for it's foundations.

The current boom about to hit the city will NOT have the same impact as the ESB, Chrysler Building, American International Building, Trump, ect's boom; it will have an impact that's bigger and much different. It could turn NY from that postcard skyline to a skyline that will take decades for people to recognize again, but it's all for the best. I doubt that Freedom Tower will remain the biggest building for more than a decade.

Given the significance of the number 1776 to American history and also knowing that this is not just some tall tower but THE FREEDOM TOWER at Ground Zero I cannot imagine anything taller in the city for a long time. Though I will always welcome it. :cheers: Also we must remember that 2000 ft is the maximum you can build in USA as of today.

The current boom about to hit the city will NOT have the same impact as the ESB, Chrysler Building, American International Building, Trump, ect's boom; it will have an impact that's bigger and much different. It could turn NY from that postcard skyline to a skyline that will take decades for people to recognize again, but it's all for the best. I doubt that Freedom Tower will remain the biggest building for more than a decade.

Do you mean that there may be more supertalls shortly after feedom tower??

Do you mean that there may be more supertalls shortly after feedom tower??

No, I mean there will be more supertalls shortly after the four supertalls of this project are completed. Not only all of the solo projects, like the two current supertalls, and the Sherwood office supertall building and the supertall residential tower next to it, the MoMA Tower, all of the mega towers planned for the area around MSG and the West Side, like the Hotel Penn and Hotel Drake sites, Javits Hotel expansion, ect, the possible supertall in Brooklyn and the flickering 80 South St., Daniel Libeskind and his new residential skyscraper he's planning will be the tallest in NY, and many others, but also megaprojects like the MSG area and the Hudson Center itself, which will contain over a dozen tall skyscrapers and some supertalls. The WTC is only the tip of the iceberg. By 2020, NY will have three to four times the amount of supertalls it has now.

Whats that green stuff around the core?

http://img34.picoodle.com/img/img34/5/12/15/f_MegapixelCam_0b659b4.jpg

protetction for the steel i guess

That green stuff are Tarps to cover the forms. They must have poured concrete in those areas and want to protect it from the elements.
Did everyone here about the steel falling from GSB yesterday? Apparently a Nylon strap holding steel beams broke and the beams fell on top of a construction trailer injuring an architect.
Lance

The current boom about to hit the city will NOT have the same impact as the ESB, Chrysler Building, American International Building, Trump, ect's boom; it will have an impact that's bigger and much different. It could turn NY from that postcard skyline to a skyline that will take decades for people to recognize again, but it's all for the best. I doubt that Freedom Tower will remain the biggest building for more than a decade.
Of course the Freedom Twer will have a big impact and emotional too, and we all know why..

No, I mean there will be more supertalls shortly after the four supertalls of this project are completed. Not only all of the solo projects, like the two current supertalls, and the Sherwood office supertall building and the supertall residential tower next to it, the MoMA Tower, all of the mega towers planned for the area around MSG and the West Side, like the Hotel Penn and Hotel Drake sites, Javits Hotel expansion, ect, the possible supertall in Brooklyn and the flickering 80 South St., Daniel Libeskind and his new residential skyscraper he's planning will be the tallest in NY, and many others, but also megaprojects like the MSG area and the Hudson Center itself, which will contain over a dozen tall skyscrapers and some supertalls. The WTC is only the tip of the iceberg. By 2020, NY will have three to four times the amount of supertalls it has now.

If we had a dollar for everytime Ebola uses the word 'supertalls', we could all build our own Freedom Tower. :rock:

You'd be about three billion dollars short. I hear a company is going to invest over four billion dollars into their tower for the Hotel Drake(or Penn) site. And we though the Freedom Tower would be the most expensive. I can't wait to see how big that tower will be and exactly why they are investing so much into it.

That green stuff are Tarps to cover the forms. They must have poured concrete in those areas and want to protect it from the elements.
Did everyone here about the steel falling from GSB yesterday? Apparently a Nylon strap holding steel beams broke and the beams fell on top of a construction trailer injuring an architect.
Lance

They haven't poured yet. The sheets are there to prevent snow falling between the forms. It's not very good for the concrete quality when you pour when there's about half a foot of snow in you forms. :)

They are pouring the core right right now if you are all wondering. The arm is behind the crane.

yeah :). it seems they're pouring the first wall of the left core half :)

this thread worthless without pics:)

Its 9:30 pm New York time and they're still pouring, They've been at it for 13 hours. I also noticed that they've started to build a new structure beside the new temporary path station over the north/south subway line. Days and days of what appears to be no activity and then lots of stuff all at once!

sorry...i know this had been asked a thousand times, but whats the link for the web cam?

There should be one at the LMDC's website.

sorry...i know this had been asked a thousand times, but whats the link for the web cam?

http://www.earthcam.net/users2/interface.php?i=0&id=445&projectid=202&clientid=158

Thanks a lot! :cheers:

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/12/20/freedom-set-in-special-concrete/
December 20, 2007, 10:46 am

Freedom, Set in Special Concrete

By David W. Dunlap

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The Freedom Tower construction site at 1 World Trade Center in Lower Manhattan. (Photo: David W. Dunlap/The New York Times)

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A steel column bears the words “Freedom Tower” and is partially encased in concrete. Enlarge this image. (Photo: David W. Dunlap/The New York Times)

Just about every element at ground zero generates heat. Even the concrete.

With walls up to 5 feet 10 inches thick, the core of the 1 World Trade Center project (also called Freedom Tower) requires tremendous amounts of concrete; so much that the chemical process by which the concrete takes form and hardens — starting from a mixture of cement, aggregate and water — actually creates its own considerable heat.

If temperatures at the center of the concrete pour are above 160 degrees, or if there is a difference in temperature of more than 35 degrees between the inside and outside, it can lead to stress and deterioration.

“That’s a major challenge in a project like this,” said Michael J. Mennella, executive vice president of the Tishman Construction Corporation of New York, which is managing construction of the Freedom Tower for the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey.

So it was news when the commissioners of the Port Authority were told on Tuesday that an extremely high-strength concrete formula had been used successfully for the first time in New York City, as part of the Freedom Tower project. This concrete has a strength under compression calculated at 14,000 pounds per square inch. (The highest strength previously used in a New York skyscraper had a rating of 12,000 pounds per square inch. A house might use concrete with a strength of 2,000 pounds per square inch.)

The formula was devised by a company called iCrete and employed at the Freedom Tower by the Quadrozzi Concrete Company, a subcontractor.

“To get this kind of strength in concrete, you usually have to increase the amount of cement,” said Tony Arnold, president of iCrete. “We reduced the amount of cement.”

That in turn lowered the temperature of the chemical reaction. It incidentally helped reduce carbon dioxide emissions during production of the cement. The iCrete formula also uses byproducts of steel fabrication known as slag and fly ash. About 700 cubic yards were poured Tuesday atop an earlier pour of 630 cubic yards, Mr. Mennella said.

“You’re not going to find too many places in the world with walls this thick,” Mr. Mennella said as he looked over the twin cores of the Freedom Tower, still far below street level but now on the way up. “This is one of them.”

You also will not find any other place in the world with a steel column bearing the words “Freedom Tower.” This column was set in place exactly a year ago as part of Gov. George E. Pataki’s last official visit to the trade center site. It is now partly encased in concrete and says simply, “Freedom.”

http://www.nypost.com/seven/12202007/postopinion/editorials/tear_it_down__already_241385.htm
TEAR IT DOWN, ALREADY

December 20, 2007 -- Yet another round of delays at Ground Zero may be leading New Yorkers to wonder: Is the site headed for the same paralysis that held up rebuilding under then-Gov. George Pataki? Is anyone down there in charge?

Yesterday brought word that the World Trade Center memorial, which state officials promised would be open for 9/11's eighth anniversary, now likely won't be done until 2010. And the memorial's museum and visitors' center won't open until 2011 - a full decade after 9/11.

Other work is progressing, but even that may come to a halt if work doesn't soon resume on removing the contaminated Deutsche Bank building, which was irreparably damaged in the terror attack.

As we've said repeatedly, that building should've come down years ago.

Instead, it has stood as a monument to bureaucratic inertia. Even as a pipe fell from one of its upper floors, crashing through a firehouse below. And a blaze killed two firefighters in August. And a pallet-jack toppled down days later, injuring two more firefighters.

The state-controlled Lower Manhattan Development Corp. owns the property; after the August fire halted the building's deconstruction, LMDC head Avi Schick said work would re-start in November.

Never happened.

Now LMDC officials can't even say when demolition might begin. Nor even when they'll hire a new subcontractor for the job.

How pathetic.

We've seen this before, of course: Gov. Pataki vowed back in 2004 to have the Deutsche Bank building down by the following year. But the whole Ground Zero rebuilding was plagued by incompetence and a lack of leadership back then - nothing moved forward.

Now, with other parts of the project finally under way, a protracted delay at the Deutsche Bank building could be fatal, given that other work on Ground Zero buildings is closely linked to demolition of that tower.

Who's to blame for the new mess?

That's not entirely clear, given all the finger-pointing. But the LMDC, which - again - owns the Deutsche Bank tower, is mostly run by the state. Which means Gov. Spitzer needs to get on the ball.

Mayor Bloomberg also has a role to play, given that the fate of the building will greatly affect the city of which he is in charge.

Much is at stake in that building's removal. Officials should act like they understand that - and get that building down pronto.

Dec 2007:

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Yiiiihaaa, best update ever in this thread !!! Great to see so much progress, thy for posting Ebola.

Half the core is rising significantly higher and more columns have been added!
They look like tubular columns similar to the ones used to build the Twins.

It looks like almost all of the columns around the sides of the tower are erected, but we just can't see a lot of them because they're only around 9 feet tall, while the taller ones we can see are much taller.

:okay: I'm glad to see some real progress going on because I was about to go gray.

Thanks, Ebola for the great updates, looks as if the iron over the track(s) area still has yet to be installed, however overall progress is looking great, i'm guessing two months before we see all concrete up to lobby level, (except the core, that should be a few levels higher).

great shots :)

btw...what is with the right core side? when will they start with it?

I'm guessing two months before we see all concrete up to lobby level, (except the core, that should be a few levels higher).

Try 4 to 6 months before they reach lobby level... the schedule says Q2 2008. That would be sometime between April and June. After that they still have to go another 200 feet before the 'normal' floors start. I would think that a year from now the concrete will still be rising just like it is now.

It appears that they have been doing prep work on the northern core. Maybe now we'll see the first north core pour. Are we going to see a slip-form rising with each core as it clears ground level?

The new towers're nice and modern, I like them very much.

Try 4 to 6 months before they reach lobby level... the schedule says Q2 2008.

3 to 5 months.

My estimate is very early April and possibly late March.

can someone post a new screen shot from the webcam? it doesn't work for me

^^ yes,please I want to see it too.

can someone post a new screen shot from the webcam? it doesn't work for me

webcam is down ;)

Will the memorials be in the exact footprints of the twin towers?

I'm 99% sure they are the exact size and in the exact spots of the former WTC twin towers.

Is it taller than the original twin towers?

the FT will have the same roof-height but the spire will make it taller :)

It's funny how architects add incredibly long spires to their designs to make the buildings statistically taller :lol:

It's funny how architects add incredibly long spires to their designs to make the buildings statistically taller :lol:

Most spires are added to enhance the look of the building. For instance, Freedom tower wouldn't look as good qithout it's spire.

I'm 99% sure they are the exact size and in the exact spots of the former WTC twin towers.

Actually they're not the same exact size - the memorial will be 30 feet shorter on each end than the footprints for technical reasons. Although they are on the same spot.

Ah, well then I'm 89% sure. ;)

Thanks for that info, I did not know that! :cheers:

hmmm its true about the spire on this tower, if it had the actual roof height to where the spire takes it now but minus the spire it would look pretty bad imo. i like it with the spire, any other sized one would look silly :P

agree, the tower would definitely not look good without its spire

Freedom tower wouldn't look as good qithout it's spire.


True, the Freedom Tower would look worse without its spire. But it would look much better if the spire were shorter than it is. It's out of proportions, in my opinion.

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The memorial looks stunning!! :nuts::nuts:

It's funny how architects add incredibly long spires to their designs to make the buildings statistically taller :lol:
I'm sure the designers of the FT thought "How can we increase the hight without building the building taller? I know! Lets add a spire. Just to fuck with people." :ohno:

I'm sure the designers of the FT thought "How can we increase the hight without building the building taller? I know! Lets add a spire. Just to fuck with people." :ohno:


i'm sure you're wrong :ohno:

^^ i was being sarcastic.

Not very many people on here now about sarcasm xXFallenXx

^^ it appears you are right. when typing sarcastic remarks i should put - in front and behind of what ever I'm typing.

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The memorial looks stunning!! :nuts::nuts:

yeah, it does!! simply beautiful!:okay:

Hey Everyone, I saw the Movie I am Legend last night and it takes place in the future. 2012 to be exact, and guess what's still is not finished. You guessed it , the Freedom Tower. In the movie it still has not been topped off.
Thank God it's only in a movie.

Merry Christmas to everyone at SSC and their Families.

Lance

Hey Everyone, I saw the Movie I am Legend last night and it takes place in the future. 2012 to be exact, and guess what's still is not finished. You guessed it , the Freedom Tower. In the movie it still has not been topped off.
Thank God it's only in a movie.

Merry Christmas to everyone at SSC and their Families.

Lance

Yes but, hes been living alone since 2009 more or less so it wouldn't be topped out anyways :lol:.

Hey Everyone, I saw the Movie I am Legend last night and it takes place in the future. 2012 to be exact, and guess what's still is not finished. You guessed it , the Freedom Tower. In the movie it still has not been topped off.
Thank God it's only in a movie.

Merry Christmas to everyone at SSC and their Families.

Lance

That was an awesome movie. It was amazing to see Manhattan portrayed that way. I mean, when do you see grass growing out of the street in Times Square while a savage bear is attacking and eating a deer. The movie scared me, but it was great.

It's funny how architects add incredibly long spires to their designs to make the buildings statistically taller :lol:

Not in this case, the FT antenna complex is being built as a replacement for the lost communication complex that was once atop tower one.

Not in this case, the FT antenna complex is being built as a replacement for the lost communication complex that was once atop tower one.

And of course to reach the symbolic height of 1776, which is a very important number to us Americans.

I find it weird and retarded how people say that they dislike 1 World Trade, but the next sentence say they want two of them. I don't get it. Anyway..the base looks cool.:

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What happens if someone falls in the pit?

There are no barriers to protect the public. :sly:

If you fall into the pit then you deserve to.

Thats not true, theres like a concrete ledge and what seems to be a bannister on top. Now if you do fall in you do deserve it ^^ :lol:

:rofl: merry christmas people! i had a good laugh though. :D

^^^^^^ LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

for safety that wall needs to be taller

happy christmas all :cheers:

i dont think anyone would be willing to jump over a 4ft wall into pit of water ~_~

unless, what... they're suicidal? then the height of the wall wont matter :)

^^

You don't have children of your own do you ?

Oh and if that wall is 4ft I'm a giant.

A 6-8 foot wall made from hollow glass blocks would be a far safer option.

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The glass would compliment the glass of the building well.

^^

You don't have children of your own do you ?

Oh and if that wall is 4ft I'm a giant.

a kid has more common sense than to jump over a wall into a deep pit :ohno:

:lol:, you're totally wrong! kids are climbing on all what they see.......

Hey myx, didn't that come from the same conversation that ended in a big argument resulting from a comment about a dog and a kid falling into the pit?:lol:

I'm sorry but those few pages were amazing to read, people were so up in arms over that little comment. It had to have been atleast five pages at one point, pure forum greatness right there.:nuts:

:lol:, you're totally wrong! kids are climbing on all what they see.......

so true... well, at least I did it ... not suicidal but adventuresome :D