I think there is only one tall skyscraper in NYC made of nothing but concrete, save stuff like the rebarb, and I think it's the Carnegie Hall Tower.

http://www.dis.uniroma1.it/~demetres/photos/Jan-13-2001/images/CarnegieHallTower2.JPG



There is absolutely no way a tower of that height is built of plain concrete.

There is absolutely no way a tower of that height is built of plain concrete.

Actually it is, I did some research and several places comment on the fact that its structure is concrete instead of steel. Here's one of the more descriptive write-ups: SkyScraperPage article (http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=188)

any news or updates anybody?

There might be some here;
http://www.wtcrising.com .

There might be some here;
http://www.wtcrising.com .

That site never has any up to date information. They have good pictures but they're not really current and any articles they have are also not current. This site is much more active and up to date!

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Replicas of New Tower Endure Nature’s Fury and a Test Blast

By DAVID W. DUNLAP
Published: April 9, 2008
One World Trade Center has not yet emerged from below ground, but its facade has already survived earthquakes, hurricanes and an explosion that shook the earth a quarter-mile away.

In recent months, two full-size mock-ups of a few floors of the glass and aluminum facade have been built and tested. One is outside Los Angeles, in Ontario, Calif. The other was at a site in central New Mexico that can be reached only over dirt roads in four-wheel-drive vehicles.

At 1,368 feet, with 23 acres of glass-clad surface area, 1 World Trade Center will be subject to tremendous natural forces. The building, also known as the Freedom Tower (at a symbolic 1,776 feet, when its mast is counted), will be the tallest in New York City and as the skyscraping phoenix on the site of ground zero, it may be the target of terrorist attacks, too.

The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which is building 1 World Trade Center, and Skidmore, Owings & Merrill, which designed it, said both mock-ups performed well. The facade, called a curtain wall, is being made by Benson Industries of Portland, Ore. The engineering firm Weidlinger Associates is the consultant in blast-resistant design.

“Physical testing is a confirmation that curtain-wall contractors are in fact meeting performance requirements,” said Carl Galioto, a Skidmore partner. “Full fabrication of the curtain wall cannot begin until the mock-up specimen passes these tests.”

Almost invisible to passers-by, the foundations of 1 World Trade Center are rising every day toward street level.

The first mock-up was subjected to a blast test in Socorro, N.M., at the Energetic Materials Research and Testing Center, a division of the New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology. Because details might arm a prospective attacker — providing information like how much force the curtain wall is designed to withstand — officials would say almost nothing about the test of this mock-up.

“The simple answer is, yes, it passed,” said John McCullough, the project executive for the Port Authority.

He was more forthcoming about the tests last month at Construction Consulting Laboratory West in California. There, a $537,000 mock-up was built to represent a corner of three typical tower floors, with laminated glass panes one and a half inches thick. The largest are 5 feet by 13 feet and weigh half a ton. An enclosed steel chamber was constructed behind the glass and aluminum cladding.

The goal was to find out how much air and water leakage could be expected under storm conditions that could be expected at least once in 50 years.

Water jets simulating winds of 74 miles per hour were sprayed at the facade. During the 15-minute test cycle, each square foot of glass was hit with more than a gallon of water.

In another test, a dismounted airplane propeller was switched on to simulate even-stronger and more-scattered winds. “It’s pretty colorful,” said Mr. Galioto, who witnessed the test. “It’s very noisy. Water is blowing in every direction and smoke is blowing from the engine.”

Air infiltration is measured by gauges. Water infiltration is measured by witnesses who are inside the chamber.

“Water is coming into the face of the curtain wall with such intensity that you can’t see,” said Bruce Fox, the deputy project executive for the Port Authority. “Then you’re looking into and opening up all the different pieces to see if there’s any evidence of leakage.” There was none.

Hydraulic jacks were used to simulate the different horizontal sway of various floors, both fully occupied and empty. The surface was also chilled to 10 degrees (refrigerated piping was applied to the glass) and baked at 100 degrees (by heat lamps).

Gusts up to 167 m.p.h. were simulated by using pumps to pull air out of the chamber, creating a condition in which the external air pressure was far greater than the internal pressure. The process was reversed, too, by pumping air into the chamber, simulating conditions on the side of the tower away from the wind.

An earthquake was simulated by jacks pulling the mock-up in different directions. Finally, a much stronger earthquake was simulated. At this point, the designers no longer expected the mock-up to remain airtight and watertight. But the criteria required that no glass could crack and no panes could be dislodged.

Mr. McCullough of the Port Authority said the mock-up met all the performance criteria.

And Mr. Fox marveled: “Sometimes on these tests, you have to do forensics and do corrections. Here, we had no failure at all.”

^^ i was just in Ontario yesterday, i didn't see it. :(

if the mock facade looks like what is going to go up (something I think it does) it will be great. Actually, no. Perfect.

yeah the test facade looks good they should take it and use it on the real building. It's really good to see them put the tower to the test. But what about some of the older building in the city. Next time the might want to take our pride and go after the empire state building. But I don't think anything like 9/11 will happing again at less not in my life time.

Freedom Tower to open observation deck on 102nd floor
BY DOUGLAS FEIDEN
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER

Thursday, April 10th 2008, 4:00 AM

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Get ready to return to the Top of the World.

A new version of the observation deck atop the World Trade Center that beguiled lovers and tourists - and even jaded New Yorkers - will soon rise at the Freedom Tower.

The Port Authority said Wednesday it is seeking a world-class operator to design, build and manage the indoor deck on the 102nd floor of the 1,776-foot icon at Ground Zero.

Boasting eye-popping, heart-stopping, 360-degree panoramic views that stretch forever - or at least 50 miles on a clear day - the deck will be perched 1,300 feet above West St. on the tower's highest occupied floor.

The rebirth of New York's signature rooftop was announced as another key element of post-9/11 rebuilding fell into place: The Sept. 11 Memorial & Museum said yesterday it had reached its goal of raising $350million in funds from private donors.

A record $10 million corporate gift from Cantor Fitzgerald, the financial services firm that lost 658 workers in the terror attacks, put the museum over the top. It's now flush with donations from 60,000 people in all 50 states and 31 nations.

"We reached our fund-raising goal because of support from people across the country and around the world," said Mayor Bloomberg, who doubles as museum chairman.

The project, which will cost a total of $610 million, will also receive state and federal grants.

The twin announcements provided fresh momentum for a rebuilding drive that has been haunted by years of delays, funding shortfalls and interagency squabbling. Officials now say the museum will open in 2011 and the Freedom Tower in 2012.

Occupying 18,000 square feet, the tower'snew observation deck will be smaller than the 44,000-square-foot original on the 107th floor of the south tower of the World Trade Center. Along with an open-air deck on the 110th floor, it drew 2 million visitors a year.

"It was a can't-miss stop," said PA Chairman Anthony Coscia. "We intend to recreate the same experience for future generations."

The bistate agency will issue a request for qualified developers early next month.

By June next year, an operator will be tapped, and the deck will open to the public three years later.

Source - http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2008/04/10/2008-04-10_freedom_tower_to_open_observation_deck_o.html

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Nice! All those times that I went to NYC and did not go up to the deck on the WTC, I feel like I missed out. Glad to hear we'll have that opportunity again!

And it will be nearly the same view as till 911 except those new towers beeing build in Manhattan and the 30m that it will be located more to the north! I am wondering if the announced rebirth of the former windows on the world restaurant will be located in the WTC2 towers top floors. Mhhh if so it will be strange to have the ob-deck in 1WTC and the restaurant in 2WTC, before 911 it was the other way around.

Does anybody know if the "greatest bar on earth" will come back?

[B]


The Sept. 11 Memorial & Museum said yesterday it had reached its goal of raising $350million in funds from private donors. The project, which will cost a total of $610 million, will also receive state and federal grants.

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Spending $610m (more than the cost of every WWII and holocaust memorial on the planet) won't bring back those who died 9/11, though it could be used to beef up security so future attacks will have a lower probability of happening.

For a fraction of the cost, a memorial could have been put on the top of WTC 1 nearer the heavens. Instead, a gigantic tribute to victimization and self-pity has been put underground, closer to hell, with a design that allows anyone with a good throwing arm to use it as a wastebasket.

This tragedy just never ends.

Spending $610m (more than the cost of every WWII and holocaust memorial on the planet) won't bring back those who died 9/11, though it could be used to beef up security so future attacks will have a lower probability of happening.

For a fraction of the cost, a memorial could have been put on the top of WTC 1 nearer the heavens. Instead, a gigantic tribute to victimization and self-pity has been put underground, closer to hell, with a design that allows anyone with a good throwing arm to use it as a wastebasket.

This tragedy just never ends.

that idea would NEVER work

Boy, that's GREAT news!!

I wonder if there will be a mock facade on the site. Like they did with the Comcast Center.

from flickr by donaldp1939:

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Nice pictures, I love the glass mixed with stone and how the buildings are all very thick and solid in this area of Downtown.

^^i just wanted to say how said 9/11 was. if you dont want it, i'll remove it then

I hope they can figure out a way to give us an exterior observation deck as well. Probably not, but I can hope. :(

Of course there will be an exterior observation deck, that is, if you'd like to have every cell in your body fried and unable to replicate itself properly. The crown will contain all the com stuff.

If they put it in the spire, that's a different sotry, but it isn't going to happen according to logic.

wow that is a massive construction site, i can't wait to see it rise :)

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/04/09/nyregion/09freedom-650.jpg

If the exterior of the Freedom looks this sexy, then this tower will really dazzle in the sky and capture the sun rays beautifully :)
Perfect

How long does it take the steel to arrive to New York from Luxembourg?

(is there only one tower (freedom tower) in the actual ground zero?

stunning !!!

this project is coming along nicely. I wonder what the view is going to be like. The only thing I don't like is this tower isn't as massive as the twins but thats ok I still luv it.

Infrasuper,

That is exactly what the cladding will look like. The purpose of the tests is to make sure the actual materials perform well in extreme conditions.

Almost matches the facade on 7 WTC!

The building, without any doubt, will look matchless, even better than 7, just like a rendering, something that you look like and can't take your eyes from. It seemes cloudy in those pictures, so the glass partly took on the color of the sky; it will look different depending on the outside conditions and time of day, and also the internal lighting. I wonder how exactly they'll light it up; it will be the greatest light show, I bet, since it's the centerpiece of lower Manhattan and they have big plans for the lighting. The Freedom Tower will look like a rendering in real life, better than its own renderings!

I was scared that the facade would look horrible, but it looks like the best modern glass facade I've EVER seen. It isn't exactly repeating itself or boring, but it is simple; it's the epitome of iconic, and the base facade will look just as good or better too. The simple steel where the facade has angles is a nice addition and makes it look perfect; I hope they do something like light it up too, maybe in different colors.

The mock fadade chunk was from the upper floors. Because it didn't have the special holes for air to come in, I am pretty sure that they were a sliver of floor 100, floor 101, and floor 102. Just so you can get an idea, but I don't think that's exactly where the chunk of facade is from:
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/6715/09freedom650dw0.jpg

It will be one of the most ultra-modern high-tech office towers around. Sleek, elegant, enery-efficient, shiny and beautiful!!!:dance::cheers:

It will be the greatest office tower ever, not just because it's the tallest one, but because it will set new standards for every skyscraper and because of its iconic status and what it soars for. It will be the building everyone in the world will want to see when close to lower Manhattan.

That's so right!!

I guess the below grade construction won't be as flashy as it was with the old WTC with nothing but a maze of steel beams, but at least the below grade work for this tower will be completed before the year is over and at least the first below grade floor is there now.

This tower has grown a lot in the past month. The ignorant may see it as being unbuilt or without progress, but the steel columns are now only half as tall as they used to be because the entire tower itself just fully jumped up an entire floor. Because of the angle of the camera, and because it's all below grade and in a corner, it's hard to see. People may moan about taking it months to build one floor, but this is the first below grade floor, and unlike any other project, this is the most complex because of many things in the tower's way, such as the tracks and power lines and remains, and other reasons like the unmatched structure of the skyscraper itself. The next floor will clearly take a fraction of the time, with the above grade ones taking even less time.

I also forgot that it's not just the tower that has grown its first floor; the ENTIRE area around the skyscraper is part of the skyscraper and the entire area around it just went up a floor, meaning the "pit" is less deep. In other words, the below grade floorplan of this skyscraper is much bigger than the above grade floorplan; its structure is clearly a part of everything around it for the first floor and all the below grade floors according to the section plan that showed the WFC Connector.

On a side not, it seems like activity on the entire site as a whole has more than doubled, with many new cranes and more heavy machinery. In just lower Manhattan, there's over a dozen skyscrapers over 225 meters going up, with the WTC and Freedom Tower being the apex of all of lower Manhattan.

Those will be the sub-basement floors.

Of course you know, the first or ground floor starts at street level. I think that it'll have at least 7 sub (below grade) levels like the Twins did.

I can't wait for this to be a 16-acre city-within-a-city again!!

I'm sure that there will be at least four below grade floors, seven at most maybe at a different part of the site. The core may be reaching three now, but I think there's only four before it starts to reach grade. (Four sublevels this time because they're larger/taller.) So in reality, if you don't count the grade line as where you start to measure height the old WTC was around 1,400 feet tall and the FT over 1,800 feet tall. In old construction pictures of the WTC, the towers were sticking up from 40 to 80 feet below grade without any earth around them.

City within a city is the epitome of what it is. It has EVERYTHING, and I mean everything, save cheap residential space. The positive econimic impact and just plain impact on lower Manhattan and the entire city will be greater than that of even the old WTC and perhaps any other complex. Already, several major fiscal companies are drawn to it all and the area around it is on fire with activity and excitment. It's great to see how something so good can come out of something so bad and how the good can wholly and totally consume the bad.

In around one year, the entire site will be covered in tower cranes with baby skyscrapers sprouting up all over.

I'm sure that there will be at least four below grade floors, seven at most maybe at a different part of the site. The core may be reaching three now, but I think there's only four before it starts to reach grade. (Four sublevels this time because they're larger/taller.) So in reality, if you don't count the grade line as where you start to measure height the old WTC was around 1,400 feet tall and the FT over 1,800 feet tall. In old construction pictures of the WTC, the towers were sticking up from 40 to 80 feet below grade without any earth around them.

City within a city is the epitome of what it is. It has EVERYTHING, and I mean everything, save cheap residential space. The positive econimic impact and just plain impact on lower Manhattan and the entire city will be greater than that of even the old WTC and perhaps any other complex. Already, several major fiscal companies are drawn to it all and the area around it is on fire with activity and excitment.



Yeah, I think the main reason why THIS tower seems to make people think that it's taking an extremely long time to come to street level is the fact that not only the core is being built from concrete, but also, the steel columns and girders in the infrastructure will also be encased in concrete. Those steel columns that we see standing will all be sealed in concrete, hence the reason for the nail-like protrusions on the beams.

Going back to the old WTC, the main reason that it took off at amazing speed was the fact that hardly any concrete was used except maybe for the foundation and floors. Nor was there any masonary used in the construction of the towers.

The Twins just didn't have that extra measure of protection that might have helped to protect the steel columns in the infrastructure from buckling under the tremendous weight of the rubble once they fell.

And besides, if I remember correctly, concrete does not require fireproofing, since it won't weaken or soften like the steel columns and floor trusses did with the Twins.

They have been pouring concrete in that one corner all day thats for sure.

That first complete floor slab though probably won't be poured until the northern core formwork is raised up again.

Yeah you're right. Basically, the only concrete used in the old towers was on the steel trusses, creating flat floors, and in the foundation for holding the steel beams, I think. Everything part of the structure was steel, and it looked amazing without any skin/internal objects. Because it was left all exposed with old fireproofing and because of the impact itself with the large amount of fuel, each of the four structural systems of the old towers gave out. This is different, but many times stronger and won't have the same problem. They don't have much in common.

Some of the lessons learned from the rise and fall of the old WTC will, in this case, be applied to the Freedom Tower, as well as to Towers 2, 3, 4, and 5 when built. Technically, they will be inhereted from 7 WTC.

-For instance, wider stairwells to allow more room for occupants to go down to the street as the firefighters and other emergency personell come up.

-No interior support columns will be used, allowing more floor rental space for offices, but no floor trusses will be used either.

-Thicker more effective fireproofing and stronger more sturdier lightweight alloy steel that can still support the tower and make it stand up longer in the unlikely event of another 09-11-style attack.

-Plus a unique pressurised air system in the core to help remove smoke from the building and allow much cleaner breathable air.

-Elevators will be security-badge-operable only, to help discourage and deter any would-be terrorists from ever trying to smuggle anything suspicious into the tower.

-In addition to the 187-foot high concrete base, I'm pretty cetain that they'll have surveilence cameras there as well.

I'm pretty sure that the base isn't totally made of concrete; the concrete only goes up about 20 feet. The rest of the base is made up of massive steel beams and an amazing glass wall with the steel behind it and something behind the steel.

In terms of safety and strength and even tech and maybe green tech, you can't get any better.

I'm pretty sure that the base isn't totally made of concrete; the concrete only goes up about 20 feet. The rest of the base is made up of massive steel beams and an amazing glass wall with the steel behind it and something behind the steel.

In terms of safety and strength and even tech and maybe green tech, you can't get any better.



Yeah, I know that. But you mean 20 FLOORS, don't you?

It the rendering of the base, you can see the giant massive steel columns and beams showing behind the glass facade.

I'm pretty sure that the base isn't totally made of concrete; the concrete only goes up about 20 feet. The rest of the base is made up of massive steel beams and an amazing glass wall with the steel behind it and something behind the steel.

In terms of safety and strength and even tech and maybe green tech, you can't get any better.



Yeah, I know that. The concrete base is behind the steel.

In the rendering of the base, you can see the giant massive steel columns and beams showing behind the glass facade.

Of course there will be an exterior observation deck, that is, if you'd like to have every cell in your body fried and unable to replicate itself properly. The crown will contain all the com stuff.

If they put it in the spire, that's a different sotry, but it isn't going to happen according to logic.

Can't you let a man hope? Geesh.

Solution: Ditch the communications set-up. Last I checked they already replaced the gear from the original WTC, and I don't there isn't a huge demand for any more broadcasting towers of that type.

Probably won't happen but whatever. I think an outdoor observation deck would make everyone a lot happier.

New york need the new broadcasting system. Not only is the Empire State Building feed not all that great. It isn't big enough to range across the whole of the city. I'm sure the new system can help the ESB and some of the other towers in the city. And I like the spire it makes the tower look complete.

Can't you let a man hope? Geesh.

Solution: Ditch the communications set-up. Last I checked they already replaced the gear from the original WTC, and I don't there isn't a huge demand for any more broadcasting towers of that type.

Probably won't happen but whatever. I think an outdoor observation deck would make everyone a lot happier.


Without the spire, the Freedom Tower is 1,400 feet tall (427m) - give or take a few feet, hopefully give. It would be cool to see a platform on top of and around the crown, making a 1,400+ obs deck, taller than that of the old WTC. Get rid of the com stuff and I bet the crown would no longer be needed. Alas, the only way I think they'll do an outside obs deck is if there's no com stuff, and it's likely that they will use communications equipment around and inside the crown. Maybe the roof of 2 or 3 or 4 WTC? 1,300 feet seems high. Of course, I'm sure we'll see a building with an observation deck taller than the twin towers and Freedom Tower come some years, so until then, we'll have to wait.

I read a while back that a deal was reached between the city and the co who will be doing the installation work of the antenna.

So yes, the spire / antenna WILL be installed atop the tower.

when can we see the core to start rise ?

Without the spire, the Freedom Tower is 1,400 feet tall (427m) - give or take a few feet, hopefully give. It would be cool to see a platform on top of and around the crown, making a 1,400+ obs deck, taller than that of the old WTC. Get rid of the com stuff and I bet the crown would no longer be needed. Alas, the only way I think they'll do an outside obs deck is if there's no com stuff, and it's likely that they will use communications equipment around and inside the crown. Maybe the roof of 2 or 3 or 4 WTC? 1,300 feet seems high. Of course, I'm sure we'll see a building with an observation deck taller than the twin towers and Freedom Tower come some years, so until then, we'll have to wait.

We could still keep the spire without the equipment inside and ditch the crown. I think that the spire is going to look great when it is lit up at night.

Good point about other observation decks. Hopefully someone will realize the desire for an exterior one.

Man, I just saw this thread. Hard to catch up...

Anyway, I love the concept, I love the symbology, I love the ground level! (something difficult to find when u have so many skyscrapers around)

I hate the spire on top of T1, though.

For me, the best tower is, by far, Tower2, by Norman Foster... The guy's a genius. It embellishes NYC's skyline with a far resemblance, I think, of Chrysler Tower (maybe too far a resemblance... :lol:)

Go NYC! I just love that city

greetings from Colombia.

when can we see the core to start rise ?


The core is already 2-3 floors tall, maybe more.

You cannot know this simply by looking at the core because the area around the core is being built up too.

Wow a whole page of Daquan and Ebola chatting. Thanks for all the updated pictures.

What? Is it against the law? Oh and you're welcome. They took me 29 years to take.

The cam takes a picture every 15 mins and it's almost as good as any other picture since you see everything, but other angles are important too; alas, those sort of pictures only come from the PA people who snap pictures, about once every 2 to 3 weeks since few people are allowed there. They only took one new picture this month, and it was a picture of 7WTC. There might be something on the PANYNJ site, but I don't have the link right now.

http://www.wtc.com/uploads/images/712x534/2_5_7wtcfromwtcsite.jpg

I think that he seems more appreciative and glad than anything else.

Seems to take some time in getting over to wtcrising though.

Whatever mental case.

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Replicas of New Tower Endure Nature’s Fury and a Test Blast

By DAVID W. DUNLAP
Published: April 9, 2008
One World Trade Center has not yet emerged from below ground, but its facade has already survived earthquakes, hurricanes and an explosion that shook the earth a quarter-mile away.

Paranoid, much?

Paranoid, much?

safety?

Paranoid, much?

they do this for all skyscrapers

apparantely, people complain either way. Amazing...

paranoid? pff..

I really like the facade. The glass looks fantastic and the corners are a nice throwback to the aluminum of the old WTC.

Yeah, I like that as well.

Gives you kind of a sneak preview of just how beautiful the facade in going to look once it is in place on the tower!

The core is already 2-3 floors tall, maybe more.

You cannot know this simply by looking at the core because the area around the core is being built up too.

i rely hope it is getting some speed to this cunstruktion now !
i think when they are finiched whit the ground levels it is going mutch faster

Yeah, I like that as well.

Gives you kind of a sneak preview of just how beautiful the facade in going to look once it is in place on the tower!

I get the feeling you're still drooling.

Sort of.

that facade is very nice and modern! i love it!

I agree. I think this tower will be fantastic!

We'll all be drooling. The facade is, I bet, many times better than we were expecting. This building will look like it isn't even real, but something so iconic with an unmatched presence that makes people feel great to gaze upon.

(I was expecting the worst: dumb horizontal lines, horrible looking glass that was too dark or clear, stupid things holding each panel of glass in place, ect)

Because we now know that the facade will look great, there's nothing to worry or complain about since it's now 100% clear that the tower will look great. simple, but very good looking=100% icon
It will look cooler than 7.

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/8459/ft444we2yu5.jpg

Yeah, note that 7 & 3 are blue-like.

that facade is very nice and modern! i love it!

Don't want to spoil the party but I am far from impressed by that test piece of cladding.
Towers like WTC3, Trump, Burj Dubai or Bank of America look a lot better.

Oh, I'm sure they do.

Anyway, it doesn't seem like it will go too well with the Goldman Sachs Tower, but I'm sure everything will work out fine in the end.

Spending $610m (more than the cost of every WWII and holocaust memorial on the planet) won't bring back those who died 9/11, though it could be used to beef up security so future attacks will have a lower probability of happening.

For a fraction of the cost, a memorial could have been put on the top of WTC 1 nearer the heavens. Instead, a gigantic tribute to victimization and self-pity has been put underground, closer to hell, with a design that allows anyone with a good throwing arm to use it as a wastebasket.

This tragedy just never ends.
Well said.

that idea would NEVER work
You could elaborate a bit more.

That is one hell of a nice facade. i cant wait to see wtc1 rise above ground.
in the renders, the tower looks magical at night :)

No body care about the cladding on those other tower, this isn't the thread for that crap. Now I do like the blue color of tower 7 and 3. And the facade for the FT looks just like that in those pictures I like.

No body care about the cladding on those other tower...Some obviously do as it won't be one tower in isolation but an integrated development. Give it a year or two and we'll be mighily impressed at the soaring architecture, attention to design detail and the dramatic effect on Lower Manhattan. All that's required is some patience.

Spending $610m (more than the cost of every WWII and holocaust memorial on the planet) won't bring back those who died 9/11, though it could be used to beef up security so future attacks will have a lower probability of happening.

For a fraction of the cost, a memorial could have been put on the top of WTC 1 nearer the heavens. Instead, a gigantic tribute to victimization and self-pity has been put underground, closer to hell, with a design that allows anyone with a good throwing arm to use it as a wastebasket.

This tragedy just never ends.

I've come across a lot of stupid posts on this forum, but yours has to be the dumbest.

Yeah I'm sure people do care about those other towers. But using them to take cheap shot at this one is'nt fare. That's nice if u people don't like this building. Cus you don't have to live in it and you don't have to look at. ^^^ And I thought his post was pretty heartless too. It's not about the cost of the memorial, it's about the people it stands for But I shouldn't have to say that should I.

Yeah, I also think that his post was ill-timed and out of line.

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That is Damn FINE glass :eek:

^^ indeed. you can see that this is real quality cladding. Also the aesthetic qualities are very high. :cheers:

I could not agree more. No one will be let down. It's going to look beyind amazing. I think they already tesed the glass in the base or will be doing it soon. I recall seeing pictures of it (not sure if it was a sample of the real thing or something that might look like the real thing) and they looked great too.

Well 7 WTC wasn't a disappointment I can't imagine the centerpiece being one. Really looks good I can't wait to see it on the real thing:)

I'm glad the corner stands out like it does in the renders.

Spending $610m (more than the cost of every WWII and holocaust memorial on the planet) won't bring back those who died 9/11, though it could be used to beef up security so future attacks will have a lower probability of happening.

For a fraction of the cost, a memorial could have been put on the top of WTC 1 nearer the heavens. Instead, a gigantic tribute to victimization and self-pity has been put underground, closer to hell, with a design that allows anyone with a good throwing arm to use it as a wastebasket.

This tragedy just never ends.

SpaceCrapper!
:bash:

Here we grow again... We have spotted the trusty concrete pump extended out to reach over to the north core and the iCrete trucks are lining up. Next week we'll be seeing the sliding forms being erected on the B2 level to match the southern core.:)

nothing special in cladding, imo. too plain.

theres alot of cladding better than that.

Here we grow again... We have spotted the trusty concrete pump extended out to reach over to the north core and the iCrete trucks are lining up. Next week we'll be seeing the sliding forms being erected on the B2 level to match the southern core.:)

finally some progress again :cheers:

For me, one of the new standards in clading is Comcast in Philly. If they match that quality, the job will be done!
THIS is... kind of on the way... Hard to judge without a noon sun and proper reflections.

some updates from flickr. from yesterday

http://www89.lunapic.com/editor/working/120828871650835?1311167259
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2211/2414616607_5cc0b02830_b.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3057/2414607245_965e3fc37a_b.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2011/2415428562_b8bfbcf0c9_b.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2163/2414600731_f5834ab3cc_b.jpg


an old render

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3074/2415161176_4db0899fc5_b.jpg

Cheers for them updates. Am quite surprised at the lack of updates. To those in New York is it a hard site to access and take photos of?

there's only limited angles from which you can take a pic from...unless you're up in a neighboring building.

but i would say that there isn't very many updates because there isn't any really noticeable progress, that we can see very well anyways. once it comes above ground, trust me, there'll be many frequent updates

i think its because of the lack of progress that you can see with out being an architect. But looking at those pics, i can only quote Towly from south park..."I have no idea whats going on man"

Your not really suppose to take pictures of skyscrapers and other projects in NYC. I've seen people stop and ask what they were doing. But hey all that craziness could have died down. But everytime I've come back to the city, I've seen people ask not to take picture of the skyscrapers. And believe me you don't want the NYPD breathing down your neck, they don't play when it come to anything.

The workers spent the last two weeks jackhammering 50 square yards of weak concrete from the core because it contained too many air bubbles, but everything is going back to full speed now. All of the concrete poured before this bad batch was perfect.

Your not really suppose to take pictures of skyscrapers and other projects in NYC. I've seen people stop and ask what they were doing. But hey all that craziness could have died down. But everytime I've come back to the city, I've seen people ask not to take picture of the skyscrapers. And believe me you don't want the NYPD breathing down your neck, they don't play when it come to anything.

Lol! What on Earth are you talking about? :lol:

there's only limited angles from which you can take a pic from...unless you're up in a neighboring building.

7wtc is the best building to take photos of the construction site IMO

So your considered a terrorist in New York if you take pictures of buildings? I'd hate to see New Yorks jail's they must be filled with thousands of Tourists for taking pictures of tall buildings.

I took some pics when I was there visiting Ground Zero. Three times.

Is this something new now? What's next, stopping tourists from visiting Ground Zero?!!

wtcrising.com

Installation of tower-foundation steel columns (two cranes on site)

* Pouring concrete for the foundation and rebar installation for core and sheer wall
* Utility installation and tie-ins

http://www.wtcrising.com/images/FE/chain217siteType8/site187/client/photoGallery/189/below%20grade%20work%20for%20corridor_big.jpg
http://www.wtcrising.com/images/FE/chain217siteType8/site187/client/photoGallery/189/1%20wtc%20april.lookringnoth_big.jpg
http://www.wtcrising.com/images/FE/chain217siteType8/site187/client/photoGallery/189/concrete%20pour%202april%2015%202008_big.jpg
http://www.wtcrising.com/images/FE/chain217siteType8/site187/client/photoGallery/189/concrete%20pour%20april%2015%202008_big.jpg
http://www.wtcrising.com/images/FE/chain217siteType8/site187/client/photoGallery/189/1%20wtc%20april_big.jpg

The workers spent the last two weeks jackhammering 50 square yards of weak concrete from the core because it contained too many air bubbles, but everything is going back to full speed now. All of the concrete poured before this bad batch was perfect.

Two weeks to remove 50 square yards of concrete? How the heck were they removing it, hammer and chisel? Unless it was 10 feet thick or something like that it should have only taken a couple of days at most. No wonder this building seems like it's going slow, because it is! :nuts:

Your not really suppose to take pictures of skyscrapers and other projects in NYC. I've seen people stop and ask what they were doing. But hey all that craziness could have died down. But everytime I've come back to the city, I've seen people ask not to take picture of the skyscrapers. And believe me you don't want the NYPD breathing down your neck, they don't play when it come to anything.

That's called "scare tactics". Its not illegal to take photos of buildings therefore anyone telling you not to take photos or forcing you not to take photos is breaking the law. We've had something like this in this country and its illegal to do so. We have a thread in the UK skybar all about it.

Your not really suppose to take pictures of skyscrapers and other projects in NYC. I've seen people stop and ask what they were doing. But hey all that craziness could have died down. But everytime I've come back to the city, I've seen people ask not to take picture of the skyscrapers. And believe me you don't want the NYPD breathing down your neck, they don't play when it come to anything.

are you one of paranoid people there? :ohno:

The article about the weak concrete that was posted at WNY:

Posted: Tuesday, 15 April 2008 6:15PM

Weak Concrete Removed from WTC's Freedom Tower Foundation

NEW YORK (AP) -- Builders of the Freedom Tower poured a bad batch of concrete into the foundation of the skyscraper replacing the World Trade Center and spent the last few weeks removing it after tests showed it wasn't strong enough, officials said Tuesday.

About 50 cubic yards of concrete was jackhammered away from the core foundation of the 1,776-foot tower under construction at ground zero. More than 22,000 cubic yards of concrete have been poured so far, and no other batches have failed strength tests, said Steve Coleman, spokesman for the building's owner, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey.

The tower, the symbolic replacement to the twin towers destroyed on Sept. 11, is being built with concrete stronger than any other building in New York City.

The foundation should be able to withstand 14,000 pounds per square inch, about three times the strength of concrete in an average home and over five times the strength in a sidewalk. A tower rebuilt north of ground zero two years ago, 7 World Trade Center, was built with concrete at a strength of 12,000 pounds per square inch, officials said.

Experts said many factors could create a poor batch: weather; the temperature at which concrete is poured and hardens; the time it takes for concrete to travel from the plant; and the way it is mixed. The issue is likely to affect the trade center site more as concrete trucks roll in over the next two years to build the memorial to the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks and the concrete for up to five office towers.

The concrete that was removed from the Freedom Tower varied in strength between 6,000 and 10,000 pounds per square inch, Coleman said Tuesday. It was tested once it was poured, on Dec. 18, and separate pieces were removed from the batch and tested successfully a month after the pour, he said.

But contractors working on the site noticed a 6-inch section ``did not look right'' and appeared to have excessive air pockets trapped in, he said. The builders removed core samples from the area, tested their strength, and decided in mid-February to take the concrete out, he said.

The work was done over the past several weeks in areas to be north and south of planned elevator shafts, as well as from three other small sections, Coleman said.

Concrete was poured in other parts of the building over the past few months, and the construction schedule for the tower, expected to open in 2011, wasn't affected, Coleman said.

A message left with the main concrete supplier, Quadrozzi Concrete Corp., wasn't returned Tuesday. Tony Arnold, president of iCrete, the company that developed the high-strength technology for the tower, said the small amount concrete must have been mixed improperly.

``We have had no batches that have not achieved the strength,'' he said.
Removing below-strength concrete that has already been poured is rare in the industry, said Greg Vickers, managing director of operations for the National Ready Mixed Concrete Association.

``Everything about the construction process is overdesigned to avoid failures,'' he said.

From: 1010wins.com

Your not really suppose to take pictures of skyscrapers and other projects in NYC. I've seen people stop and ask what they were doing. But hey all that craziness could have died down. But everytime I've come back to the city, I've seen people ask not to take picture of the skyscrapers. And believe me you don't want the NYPD breathing down your neck, they don't play when it come to anything.

I'm not sure what you're talking about. I've had construction workers tell me not to take pictures, but I go ahead and do it anyway. As far as complete buildings, no one cares if you are taking pictures. (Unless maybe they see you walking around taking pictures of all the security cameras or something.)

I'm not sure what you're talking about. I've had construction workers tell me not to take pictures, but I go ahead and do it anyway. As far as complete buildings, no one cares if you are taking pictures. (Unless maybe they see you walking around taking pictures of all the security cameras or something.)

It certainly isn't illegal.. I think he mean that it is socially unacceptable. Nobody likes when a tourist is blocking the sidewalk by taking pictures.

Question: Does all the wtcs start their ground floor from street level or from below.
In the photos it looks like they're really below street level. (although floors of freedom tower they're working on now might be below ground floors)

And the old wtcs had their ground lobby at street level

Well the thing is that for some time after 9/11 there were 'precautions' taken including discouraging people from taking pictures of tall buildings and the subway. It's not something that's seriously enfored, but maybe it's in the back of some people's minds.

The first floor i guess is the lobby at street level for all the wtc towers. However 1 WTC does have basement floors.

I never said you couldn't take pictures I just said the NYPD would rather you not take pictures of the skyscrapers. And I'm from the streets I could give a shit less what people do to rich peoples buildings, they ain't trying to blow up the projects so why would I be paranoid. I like skyscrapers as a art form but believe me there are other things I'm worried about you feel me. Plus I said when I came back to the city, this was 2004 when the NYPD had the big guns out. And I don't need to take picture of a city I'm going to see everyday lol.

I note that Pope Benedict XVI will be visiting the site in a couple of days. Should be very interesting.

:)

Mike

is not illegal to take pictures, but if you do look supicious you may be asked by the NYPD or somebody else the reasons you are taking the pictures for...

I taken pics of buildings around Manhattan, i dont think is that of an issue!is to hard to enforce something like that...

btw it makes me feel better to finally see pics of the WTC project in progress...i was waiting for months to see this project start fully!:)

Taking pictures from the street is part of the public domain. It would be unconstitutional to make something like that illegal. Therefore, if anyone ever tells you not to take a picture in the street (i.e. the NYPD), there's no need for you to comply. The NYPD can't make up their own rules any more than you can. Their job is to enforce existing law, not create it. I'm from DC so we're flooded with tourists too, but it's not like anyone cares if you stop by the White House and start snapping away! Bit of a nuisance but unless you look like you're taking measurements it's not a problem.

I'm for people who don't seem to know much about the NYPD, they do what they wait if you like it or not. Lets not forget about the patriot act the goverments way around the contitution. Plus if the NYPD tells you to do something you better do it. New york is a big azz city so they don't have time to play with people. Remember the NYPD put alot of people in jail for protesting. And they didn't have the right to put those people in jail. But they did it anyway you know why, because their the NYPD thats why.

^^What is the deal with people posting these grossly off topic anti-American diatribes in this thread?

Go to some radical Marxist politics forum for that crap.


Back to what we are supposed to be talking about.

Does anyone know what those blue....pipe things are that they seem to be stockpiling near the south wall of the pedestrian connector near where the red crane used to be? Also someone in the Wired Forum stated they might be installing some of the roof trusses for the pedestrian connector in the next two weeks. Anyone know if this is true?

What the hell are you talking about bubby nobody being anti american and if you don't think I don't love my country you'd be wrong. So now I'm telling u to mind ya business before I get new york on your ass. This is a free country, there for I'll say what I want when I want. Don't like it, to bad cus that's what american stand for. Not the crap your talking about. And that my friend is the american way. Now back to the topic.

It is perfectly legal to take pictures of skyscrapers, construction, etc. in NYC. Anyone telling you otherwise is either misinformed or lying.

Look nobody said it wasn't legal, I just said I've seen the NYPD ask people not to take pictures of the buildings. And I've see this more then a few times. I don't know how else to say it, that just the NYPD being the NYPD their ball busters lol.

Now it's time to let this thing die. What going on at the WTC now. How do I get it on the webcam?

What the hell are you talking about bubby nobody being anti american and if you don't think I don't love my country you'd be wrong. So now I'm telling u to mind ya business before I get new york on your ass. This is a free country, there for I'll say what I want when I want. Don't like it, to bad cus that's what american stand for. Not the crap your talking about. And that my friend is the american way. Now back to the topic.

wtf is wrong with you :ohno:I get new york on your ass ????

^^What is the deal with people posting these grossly off topic anti-American diatribes in this thread?

Go to some radical Marxist politics forum for that crap.


Back to what we are supposed to be talking about.

Does anyone know what those blue....pipe things are that they seem to be stockpiling near the south wall of the pedestrian connector near where the red crane used to be? Also someone in the Wired Forum stated they might be installing some of the roof trusses for the pedestrian connector in the next two weeks. Anyone know if this is true?

This same guy is stirring the pot in the Chicago Spire thread also.

But like you said...back to the subject at hand. Those were great shots of the site posted Wed. Glad to see more and better photography, like the Spire thread. It's great for us enjoying this from a distance!!

Look nobody said it wasn't legal, I just said I've seen the NYPD ask people not to take pictures of the buildings. And I've see this more then a few times. I don't know how else to say it, that just the NYPD being the NYPD their ball busters lol.

Now it's time to let this thing die. What going on at the WTC now. How do I get it on the webcam?

I'm gonna take the high road and not get into some pointless argument here and will instead provide you with the link to the webcam (http://www.earthcam.net/users2/interface.php?i=0&id=445&projectid=202&clientid=158).

sorry for posting the article for the second time. my bad. i'll be more careful next time.


link:http://www.amny.com/news/local/groundzero/am-wtc0416,0,5199340.story
6:26 PM EDT, April 15, 2008

Weak concrete removed from Freedom Tower

Builders of the Freedom Tower poured a bad batch of concrete into the foundation of the skyscraper replacing the World Trade Center and spent the last few weeks removing it after tests showed it wasn't strong enough, officials said Tuesday.

About 50 cubic yards of concrete was jackhammered away from the core foundation of the 1,776-foot tower under construction at ground zero. More than 22,000 cubic yards of concrete have been poured so far, and no other batches have failed strength tests, said Steve Coleman, spokesman for the building's owner, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey.

The tower, the symbolic replacement to the twin towers destroyed on Sept. 11, is being built with concrete stronger than any other building in New York City. The foundation should be able to withstand 14,000 pounds per square inch, about three times the strength of concrete in an average home and over five times the strength in a sidewalk. A tower rebuilt north of ground zero two years ago, 7 World Trade Center, was built with concrete at a strength of 12,000 pounds per square inch, officials said.

Experts said many factors could create a poor batch: weather; the temperature at which concrete is poured and hardens; the time it takes for concrete to travel from the plant; and the way it is mixed. The issue is likely to affect the trade center site more as concrete trucks roll in over the next two years to build the memorial to the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks and the concrete for up to five office towers.

The concrete that was removed from the Freedom Tower varied in strength between 6,000 and 10,000 pounds per square inch, Coleman said Tuesday. It was tested once it was poured, on Dec. 18, and separate pieces were removed from the batch and tested successfully a month after the pour, he said.

But contractors working on the site noticed a 6-inch section "did not look right" and appeared to have excessive air pockets trapped in, he said. The builders removed core samples from the area, tested their strength, and decided in mid-February to take the concrete out, he said.

The work was done over the past several weeks in areas to be north and south of planned elevator shafts, as well as from three other small sections, Coleman said. Concrete was poured in other parts of the building over the past few months, and the construction schedule for the tower, expected to open in 2011, wasn't affected, Coleman said. A message left with the main concrete supplier, Quadrozzi Concrete Corp., wasn't returned Tuesday. Tony Arnold, president of iCrete, the company that developed the high-strength technology for the tower, said the small amount concrete must have been mixed improperly.

"We have had no batches that have not achieved the strength," he said. Removing below-strength concrete that has already been poured is rare in the industry, said Greg Vickers, managing director of operations for the National Ready Mixed Concrete Association.

"Everything about the construction process is overdesigned to avoid failures," he said.

^^I posted that on the last page.

thanks to a bunch of trolls, thread number 5 was beyond repair. :ohno:

this thread is about the freedom tower and the freedom tower only. if you don't have anything constructive to add about this project, don't bother posting.

*if you have an uncontrollable urge to talk about dubai and/or beat your chest about it, do it in the countless dubai love-fest threads out there. not here. remember...this is new york. not dubai...

*if you think this tower sucks and prefer the original world trade center instead, this thread isn't for you.

consider this a warning in advance...;;

Look I'd say sorry but I don't see a needed to. I told you I've seen the NYPD ask people not to take picture of the buildings. I don't see whats so hard to get, I'm just telling you what I've seen. If you want me to give more detail send me a Private Messages. I'll tell you what I've seen. Now let not take anymore from this project please.

Report: NYC Freedom Tower plans found in trash
Associated Press

NEW YORK - A homeless man has come forward with two sets of confidential ground zero blueprints that he says were dumped in a Lower Manhattan trash can.

The man brought the Freedom Tower plans to the New York Post, which says the 150-page schematic is marked: "Secure Document — Confidential."

The documents are dated Oct. 5, 2007. They contain plans for each floor, the thickness of the concrete-core wall, and the location of air ducts, elevators, electrical systems and support columns.

The agency that owns the World Trade Center site, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, calls it a serious security lapse.

Spokeswoman Candace McAdams says mishandling the blueprints would be "cause for serious disciplinary action."

It seams there are much more serious issues then photographing buildings: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080418/ap_on_re_us/attacks_redevelopment


:runaway:

^^Skytower in NYC?

I don't think its that big of a deal that anyone has seen them. Its a big deal that they are in the trash. Over here I could go down to the local planning office or go online and get the floor plans for nearly all new buildings without a problem.

^^ I like how kingsc comes on these threads, stirs up off-topic trouble, "threatens" people, then ends every post with "let's get back on topic," after 90% of what he's posted is off topic. I'd ban him just for the "threats" alone.

http://i27.tinypic.com/2qlwetg.jpg

I think Larry should give this guy a million bucks.

http://i27.tinypic.com/2qlwetg.jpg

I think Larry should give this guy a million bucks.

At least he'd be able to support his crack habit, then.

They said the reason why he came to NY was to join some drug support group.
Though one million worth of crack sure would make him happy.

Man, I wonder who threw those away in a public trash can? You'd think they would be shredded or destroyed somehow if they were out of date.

It could have been the 'hide in plain view' philosophy at work, too. The same reason why Secret Service agents go incognito to randomly selected local Washington, DC area grocery stores when buying food that is intended to be prepared and served on Air Force One.

That said, ANYONE with untoward intentions and a speck of engineering knowledge will have no problems figuring out how a building is put together and what and where its 'weak spots' are.

Cut the 'Chicken Littlisms' and get back to building.

:no:

Mike

I thought that I saw that same article posted a while ago.

TRASHY WTC SECURITY
HOMELESS GUY FINDS KEY PLAN IN A CAN
By JEREMY OLSHAN and KEVIN FASICK

April 18, 2008 --

It's a good thing Osama wasn't walking through SoHo yesterday morning.

Two sets of confidential blueprints for the planned Freedom Tower, which is set to rise at Ground Zero, were carelessly dumped in a city garbage can on the corner of West Houston and Sullivan streets, The Post has learned.

PHOTOS: WTC Blueprints Found In Trash

Port Authority's News Blackout Is Sinister

Experts said the detailed, floor-by-floor schematics contain enough detail for terrorists to plot a devastating attack.

"Secure Document - Confidential," warns the title page on each of the two copies of the 150-page schematic that a homeless, recovering drug addict discovered in the public trash can.

"Any time a sensitive document is unintentionally left behind, it's a treasure trove for a potential adversary," aid Robert Strang, CEO of Investigative Management Group, a global security firm. "It enables them to look for vulnerabilities in design that they can target - an age-old military tactic."

Informed of what the homeless man, Mike Fleming, had found, shocked Port Authority officials called it an egregious security lapse.

"Violating these protocols is cause for serious disciplinary action - up to termination for employees and breach of contract and legal action for contractors," said Candace McAdams, PA director of media relations.

One of the identical sets was missing the first 14 pages, which is particularly alarming.

Besides the PA, there are 11 entities listed on each page of the blueprints, including the builder, Tishman Construction, and architects Skidmore Owings and Merrill.

Although the documents, dated Oct. 5, 2007, are not a complete set of blueprints, they do contain details such as plans for each floor, the thickness of the concrete-core wall and the location of air ducts, elevators, electrical systems and support columns.

"Certainly, if you know the thickness of concrete, someone with an explosive background can develop and plot an attack," Strang said.

That was exactly the thought that ran through Fleming's mind when he found the documents and alerted The Post.

Fleming, 28, originally from Ohio, said he was rummaging through the garbage in search of cardboard, "because the concrete is so cold to sleep on," when he noticed the documents and the warning to "properly destroy if discarded."

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04182008/news/regionalnews/trashy_wtc_security_106987.htm

Here's a completely non-biased, and un-opinionated blog post about the plans :shifty:



Freedom Tower blueprints found in NYC trash bin. Press uses "Al-Qaeda" and "Terrorism" buzzwords. George W. Bush unavailable for comment, thankfully.

Confidential blueprints for the widely controversial Freedom Tower which is set to be erected where the World Trade Center buildings once stood were found in a city garbage can by a homeless recovering drug addict. Usually when the words “homeless” and “recovering drug addict” are used together, it just means the guy doesn’t have enough cash to support his crack habit.

An article in the New York Post does the obvious and screams “OH MY GOD SOMEONE COULD USE THIS TO PLOT A TERRORIST ATTACK! FLEE! SCURRY! RUN AWAY!!”

A terrorist attack wasn’t the first thing that came to my mind when I read the article title, but leave it to the NYC press to try and induce fear in everyone. I mean, I live in a small city in the Midwest, so this stuff isn’t right in my backyard, but honestly, I don’t need a

I’ve probably been hanging around Skyscraper City too much, but I’m far more interested in the plans themselves just to see how everything’s put together. While I don’t deny that there’s a potential threat here, It certainly isn’t the bowel-emptying fear that this article tries to make it out to be.

These schematics are available to quite a few people such as architects, contractors and PA officials. They’re also apparently quite a few revisions old. I’m quite certain that someone with resources could get their grubby little paws on the plans if they really wanted to.

A highly overpaid “Security Expert” adds to the drama by stating “Any time a sensitive document is unintentionally left behind, it’s a treasure trove for a potential adversary.”

I should also point out that anyone with enough time, knowledge and money could wander through the building when it’s completed and gleam similar information. Not to mention the thousand or so construction workers that will have far more accurate information about the building than a set of old plans.

Here’s the thing the press doesn’t seem to realize: Anyone with enough money, and enough resources can get their hands on any kind of information they want. The more people that have the information, the easier/cheaper it is to get. Security through obscurity has always been a horribly flawed approach with software, and it’s really no better with anything else.

http://www.daitengu.com/2008/04/18/freedom-tower-blueprints-found-in-nyc-trash-bin-press-uses-al-qaeda-and-terrorism-buzzwords-george-w-bush-unavailable-for-comment-thankfully/

When did I threating anybody I keep it real, don't call me anti american and we wont have problems.

Not for nothing, but how many times is this article going to be posted?

Not for nothing, but how many times is this article going to be posted?

As many as it takes you to actually read the one I posted :colbert:

This is such a beautiful picture. I just hope it turns out this nice in reality.

Take all the pictures you want. But please don't block the sidewalks. There really is little else that's worse in New York than tourists either walking too slowly or just standing in the middle of the sidewalk. Enjoy the city...just don't get in the way.

Take all the pictures you want. But please don't block the sidewalks. There really is little else that's worse in New York than tourists either walking too slowly or just standing in the middle of the sidewalk. Enjoy the city...just don't get in the way.

Except New Yorkers being in such a hurry that they run over anyone that gets in their way! Things will still be there, slow down in enjoying life. :bash:

As many as it takes you to actually read the one I posted :colbert:



I've read it.

Here's a completely non-biased, and un-opinionated blog post about the plans :shifty:




http://www.daitengu.com/2008/04/18/freedom-tower-blueprints-found-in-nyc-trash-bin-press-uses-al-qaeda-and-terrorism-buzzwords-george-w-bush-unavailable-for-comment-thankfully/

^^ It is a good article. But don't you think that we should be much more careful about throwing stuff with such information in the trash on the street? I think it is a very irresponsible thing especially after 9.11.

http://academics.triton.edu/faculty/fheitzman/freedom%20tower%202.jpg

Absolutely LOVE this shot!

^^ It is a good article. But don't you think that we should be much more careful about throwing stuff with such information in the trash on the street? I think it is a very irresponsible thing especially after 9.11.



Yeah, what if it were to mistakingly fall into the hands of a terrorist? God forbid, that would be all we needed!!

But then again, they would have a much harder time this time around in attacking the design.

http://academics.triton.edu/faculty/fheitzman/freedom%20tower%202.jpg

Absolutely LOVE this shot!

That's the old Freedom Tower design.

^^What is the deal with people posting these grossly off topic anti-American diatribes in this thread?

Go to some radical Marxist politics forum for that crap.





Fuck you. So being pro-freedom and pro-Constitution is radical Marxist? Well, then Marxism is awesome. And I suppose that means being a right-wing capitalist means you hate freedom, human rights, and democracy. That sounds right.

Anyone know what is going on near the ramp. It looks like they are setting up for something and they put flags up and down the ramp?

when is the concrete re-pouring? are they already poured?
(talking about the re-pour after weak concrete was removed)

^^ Concrete Repour has been done.

That stage thats being built in the middle is for the Pope's Visit. He will go into the pit.

^^ It is a good article. But don't you think that we should be much more careful about throwing stuff with such information in the trash on the street? I think it is a very irresponsible thing especially after 9.11.

Sure, a bit more careful. But as I stated, it's by no means the end of the world if someone mischievous gets their hands on it.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04192008/news/regionalnews/pa_probers_trash_towering_blueprint_idio_107162.htm
PA PROBERS TRASH TOWERING BLUEPRINT IDIOTS

By LUKAS I. ALPERT

April 19, 2008 --

The Port Authority took it on the chin yesterday, with officials inside the agency blaming overwhelming bureaucracy for the major security lapse that allowed confidential blueprints of the planned Freedom Tower to be tossed out on the street to be found by a homeless man.

"Maybe we should hire the homeless man to clean up the messes that the Port Authority bureaucracy makes," quipped one high-ranking source within the agency.

The discovery has led to an investigation by the agency's inspector general, who is trying to determine who is responsible for carelessly dumping the plans.

One set of the plans had pages missing.

Three investigators visited The Post newsroom yesterday to go over and photograph the blueprints.

They declined to discuss what leads they had developed.

After garbage-diver Mike Fleming discovered two sets of the sensitive floor-by-floor schematics laying in a city trash can, he turned the detailed documents over to The Post.

Experts say there was enough detail in the blueprints to lead to a devastating terrorist attack.

Port Authority chief spokeswoman Candace McAdams would only say, "Our inspector general is still investigating, and we will take whatever action is necessary."

Copies of the building's plans were distributed to PA officials, architects and contractors.

lukas.alpert@nypost.com

That's the old Freedom Tower design.



Gone and most certainly forgotten! The newer present design gives a cleaner sleeker more beautiful and elegant look.

Gone and most certainly forgotten! The newer present design gives a cleaner sleeker more beautiful and elegant look.

Yeah, I thought the old design horrible. Made me wanna :puke: I didn't like the new design much at first, but it has grown on me a lot and can't wait to see the bad boy finished. I also noticed today they're making excellent progress on the excavation for tower 2.

That's good!

Gone and most certainly forgotten! The newer present design gives a cleaner sleeker more beautiful and elegant look.

I agree, the new design is a cleaner, sleeker more beautiful look until it stops and the roofline and then the spire (antenna?) is just kind of stuck on top. It kind of looks like two different groups of people did the designs and stuck them together. The design would've looked much better if they continued with an integrated spire like the original design had.

That was the hang-up.

Libeskind fought furiously with Childs and Silverstein over the design of the birdcage version of the tower and the position of the spire. They were hardly done with the first fight when Libeskind would start right back up again!! Over and over.

His constant fighting and arguing made it hard for them to try to get along with him and they felt that he was a hinderence, a stumbling block, and so they happily paid him off and sent him packing from Ground Zero.

Fuck you. So being pro-freedom and pro-Constitution is radical Marxist? Well, then Marxism is awesome. And I suppose that means being a right-wing capitalist means you hate freedom, human rights, and democracy. That sounds right.

Please explain how anything I was responding to was was pro-freedom, pro-constitution?

Or perhaps not, as we've had too many of these political derails. Let's just talk about the damn building.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04202008/news/regionalnews/p_a__dump_bells_107227.htm
P.A. DUMP-BELLS

300 LBS. OF KEY PAPERS TURN UP

By KEVIN FASICK and LUKAS I. ALPERT

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04202008/photos/news011a.jpg
WHAT GARBAGE! After The Post reported the discovery of thrown-away WTC blueprints, two scavengers turned in 300 pounds of discarded PA papers, all marked "SECURE DOCUMENT — CONFIDENTIAL".

April 20, 2008 -- Just days after a homeless man found sensitive blueprints of the planned Freedom Tower in a trash can, a much larger trove of confidential World Trade Center documents emerged yesterday - also found in the garbage, but this time right behind the Port Authority office where the rebuilding is being overseen.

A pair of self-described "salvage experts" said they have twice found massive piles of sensitive blueprints, schematics and e-mails detailing several of the buildings at the site, the temporary PATH train station, and a proposed PA Police headquarters in a trash bin behind 115 Broadway.

The building overlooks the trade center site, and is where the PA has rented out an entire floor for engineers who run the redevelopment.

The first of the pair's finds came about a year and a half ago, and the second on March 13.

The two men, who asked that they be identified only as Tony B. and Fox, said they didn't know what to do with the documents but feared they could get into the wrong hands, so they held onto them at their lower Manhattan warehouse.

"We knew what we had. I thought the information was important and potentially dangerous if it fell into the wrong hands, and we weren't going to let that happen," Fox said. "We were protecting the trade center. We were protecting the country."

When asked about the discarded documents, the PA did not explain how the detailed plans ended up in the trash intact.

"This is a $16 billion project that produces literally tons of building plans and documents that are not privileged and confidential," said PA spokesperson Candace McAdams.

"If our security professionals determine a document to be privileged and confidential, we have very strict protocols in place for discarding that document, including, sealing and shredding."

But the documents found by Tony B. and Fox and reviewed by The Post do in fact read, "SECURE DOCUMENT - CONFIDENTIAL FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY," on every page.

Fox said when he and his partner read the story in Friday's Post about a homeless man finding detailed blueprints for the Freedom Tower in a city trash can, they immediately knew who to call.

"As soon as I saw The Post, I said, 'This is the perfect opportunity to get rid of it safely,' " said Tony B. "This is dangerous stuff they're throwing away.

"I worry about the stuff I didn't get. What could be out there? What if it hadn't been us, what if it was terrorists instead?"

In all, the boxes of papers and rolls of blueprints weigh about 300 pounds.

Among the documents were blueprints for building 4 WTC and the temporary PATH station, preliminary plans for the police headquarters, and a detailed construction plan for building 7.

They also found a large box filled with printed e-mails between Thomas J. O'Connor, a chief construction engineer for the PA, and several contractors laying out construction timetables and the materials to be used.

What the hell is wrong with these guys, throwing away 300 pounds of Blueprints and construction informantion. Good thing somebody found them. Who knows what kind of trouble this could have cause.

I find it strange they view the blueprints as so valuable and vulnerable. I mean if the building is really structurally sound the blueprints should not grant you any really harmful information. It's not like the place has a hidden "self destruct" button somewhere.

But with the Blueprints anybody could find and attack the building at it's weakest point. But its like I say, if they wanted to attack the tower why wait for it to be finish. Why not attack it before it's done. But it best no to think about things like that. Lets just hope the PA has better lucky next time.

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My Goodness!! How on earth did those Blueprints and Documents get out of the office??? They just won't walk out would they?

I find it strange they view the blueprints as so valuable and vulnerable. I mean if the building is really structurally sound the blueprints should not grant you any really harmful information. It's not like the place has a hidden "self destruct" button somewhere.

Sure it does! The button will be wired right to George W. Bush's desk! Right after he changes the constitution so that he gets another term in office!


But with the Blueprints anybody could find and attack the building at it's weakest point. But its like I say, if they wanted to attack the tower why wait for it to be finish. Why not attack it before it's done. But it best no to think about things like that. Lets just hope the PA has better lucky next time.

Well, I mean any terrorist with half a brain would realize that it'd be far more demoralizing to blow up a building right after it's completed, rather than while it's being built.

from wirednewyork:

http://www.ardiem.org/images/28847.jpg

big posters at the base of 7WTC

You really are as stupid as I thought you were.
Oh did I say something not to your liking my bad. And I'm only half as stupid as you think kind sir lol.

Sure it does! The button will be wired right to George W. Bush's desk! Right after he changes the constitution so that he gets another term in office!




Well, I mean any terrorist with half a brain would realize that it'd be far more demoralizing to blow up a building right after it's completed, rather than while it's being built.

Or they would realize it's best to kick them while their down. And you'd never see it coming because nobody attacks unfinish building, that just isn't right. And for those who were shock by what I said, need I remind you there's no such thing as fair play in terrorism. Back to topic

But with the Blueprints anybody could find and attack the building at it's weakest point. But its like I say, if they wanted to attack the tower why wait for it to be finish. Why not attack it before it's done. But it best no to think about things like that. Lets just hope the PA has better lucky next time.

Umm, because it wouldnt kill anyone, besides some construction workers.

I get the impression that your 13.

they've to hurry up when they want to finish it in 2012

The Freedom Tower is going to be awesome!!!

BTW, this is the shot of Mike Flemming who found the blueprints according to that article.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04182008/photos/news007.jpg

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Umm, because it wouldnt kill anyone, besides some construction workers.

I get the impression that your 13.

It's not about killing people it's about turning your world up side down, destorying everything you love. Killing your pride and construction workers are people too. And my age has nothing to do with what I said don't be a ass. And that care free attitude is what lead to the blueprints getting dump in the trush can where anybody could find them.

Anyone that can deduce some sort of weak point from the blueprints could also deduce it from examining the photos of it's construction, like from Earthcam, or from visiting it and scouting out the structural make up. Making a big deal about the blueprints sounds more like something journalists harp on when they have nothing better to report and the people in charge pretend to care about in a purely Cover Your Ass mode.

And the video..

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Right..

Anyone that can deduce some sort of weak point from the blueprints could also deduce it from examining the photos of it's construction, like from Earthcam, or from visiting it and scouting out the structural make up. Making a big deal about the blueprints sounds more like something journalists harp on when they have nothing better to report and the people in charge pretend to care about in a purely Cover Your Ass mode.

That is exactly correct. Nothing more than sensationalistic media reporting.

FWIW I think have a copy of the blueprints would be an awesome collectors item. The dude should have put them up on e-bay.

That is exactly correct. Nothing more than sensationalistic media reporting.

FWIW I think have a copy of the blueprints would be an awesome collectors item. The dude should have put them up on e-bay.

lol no

lol no

are you saying that wouldn't want a copy of those plans to peruse? :)

i wouldn't want the Blue Prints of a Super Tall building under construction on sale over e-bay, say what you want about finding weak points through observation and photos, but the Blue Prints tell oyu how the building is built, you can know the exact spot where you can place bombs to bring it down. There is a reason tall Building Blueprints are not available for everyone to see.

That is exactly correct. Nothing more than sensationalistic media reporting.

FWIW I think have a copy of the blueprints would be an awesome collectors item. The dude should have put them up on e-bay.

But if he put them on eBay, the TERRORISTS will get them!! :lol:

are you saying that wouldn't want a copy of those plans to peruse? :)

i wouldn't mind having the original and only copy of the blueprints, because i know i wouldn't use them for the wrong reasons..
as the developer/owner of a building though, i could not sleep at night knowing that someone has confidential blueprints for my entire building and is potentially making copies of it

but the Blue Prints tell oyu how the building is built, you can know the exact spot where you can place bombs to bring it down. There is a reason tall Building Blueprints are not available for everyone to see.

It doesn't take blueprints or a rocket scientist to tell you if you want to bring the building down, place the bomb near a support column or in the core.

Come on, it's not like there is particular place especially designed to bring the whole building down, and the only place it is noted is in the plans.

Come on man! I saw a movie once where a bunch of rebels were able to blow up an entire space station the size of a small moon by firing proton torpedoes into a thermal exhaust port no wider than a wamp rat!

How you ask?

They had the blueprints!

I bet the guys who built that place wish they wouldn't have so casually thrown them into the trash...

:hilarious: I guess your right

Osama definitely has proton torpedoes.

Osama definitely has proton torpedoes.

And an eBay account.

It's not about killing people it's about turning your world up side down, destorying everything you love. Killing your pride and construction workers are people too. And my age has nothing to do with what I said don't be a ass. And that care free attitude is what lead to the blueprints getting dump in the trush can where anybody could find them.

Aha busted!!! No one under 18 should be permitted here without a consenting adult!!:baeh3::lol:

It's not really a big deal since no matter your knowledge or if you have blueprints or not it would be next to impossible to cause major damage to towers of this nature, which are the next generation of skyscrapers, setting new standards for future skyscrapers all over the world. They designed it while keping in mind that people with bad intentions will gain access to blueprints/other information. The whole terrorist/eBay thing isn't out of the question and it seems imbecilic to poke at the guy for bringing it up since once one person out of the loop has stuff like that, and since it's such a famous project, it's only natural that stuff spreads. In any case, I am certain that this is the first major skyscraper to be designed with nothing but computers so I doubt any papers are as important as one might think they are.


More on topic, I just read an older article about how this complex (Tower 1 and friends) will have one of the largest fuel cell systems ever put together, and all of that still won't be enough to power the towers so they also use many other green methods. I wonder if they are still planning on doing that. It's going to be a masterpiece of green and world-class design.

More on topic, I just read an older article about how this complex (Tower 1 and friends) will have one of the largest fuel cell systems ever put together, and all of that still won't be enough to power the towers so they also use many other green mentods. I wonder if they are still planning on doing that. It's going to be a masterpiece of green and world-class design.
The fuel cell idea sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. Fuel cells use hydrogen as their source of power. Since hydrogen is extremely explosive putting it anywhere near Manhattan in large quantities doesn't make a lot of sense. If this system is still in the plans, having a set of plans could be very beneficial to a terrorist.

Again with that? Here in reality, there's nothing to worry about. I'm certain that they all went over every possible aspect of it or else someone would have brought up that point long ago. I'm sure that they'll be using the safest system.

Since hydrogen is extremely explosive
...and petrol isn't explosive at all, right? :lol:

*off topic* its price tends to be much more explosive these days than the fuel itself is *off topic*

LOL

...and petrol isn't explosive at all, right? :lol:

Actually in most applications generators are run on diesel fuel which is only flammable. Even gasoline and natural gas are much less explosive under normal conditions than hydrogen is.

http://www.downtownexpress.com/de_259/postreports.html
Volume 20, Number 49 | THE NEWSPAPER OF LOWER MANHATTAN | APRIL 19 - 26, 2008

Port reports on World Trade Center progress

By Julie Shapiro

The Port Authority updated the community on a slew of Lower Manhattan construction projects this week — and at times the board members seemed unable to believe the good news.

The R/W station at Cortlandt St., closed since 2005, will reopen this fall, said Quentin Brathwaite, assistant director of World Trade Center construction for the Port Authority.

“That would be unbelievable,” replied Catherine McVay Hughes, chairperson of Community Board 1’s W.T.C. Redevelopment Committee.

“You’re talking about fall of ’08, right?” board member Barry Skolnick asked. Brathwaite nodded.

To reopen the station, the Port Authority and Metropolitan Transportation Authority may refurbish a pre-9/11 concourse connecting the platforms to 1 Liberty Plaza, Brathwaite said.

Brathwaite also told the board that he is working with the M.T.A. to put an elevator into the World Trade Center stop on the E train. Passengers previously used an elevator at the PATH station to access the E train, but when the temporary PATH entrance on Church St. closed last week, subway passengers lost the connection to the elevator. Skolnick and other board members have been pressing the M.T.A. and Port Authority for months to add a new elevator.

“You are listening to us!” Hughes said, beaming at Brathwaite.

“Well, they’re delayed on everything else,” Skolnick muttered, referring to the M.T.A.

The closure of the Church St. temporary PATH entrance meant that commuters had to use the new temporary entrance on Vesey St. Monday morning was the first test of how the new entrance would fare during rush hour by itself, and there was a lot of pedestrian congestion, especially between 8:30 a.m. and 9:15 a.m., Brathwaite said.

To ease the passage of walkers, the city Department of Transportation is lengthening the green light on Vesey St. at Church St., allowing more people to cross Church St. from west to east. Depending on the results, the D.O.T. may also change light times at two other intersections: Barclay St. at West Broadway and Vesey St. at West Broadway and Greenwich St.

* * *

Brathwaite also gave updates on Towers 2, 3 and 4, which Silverstein Properties is building. Silverstein recently finished doing test blasts at the sites for Towers 3 and 4 and is now preparing to do production blasting, to ready the bathtub for the foundations of the towers, designed by Richard Rogers and Fumihiko Maki. Workers will blow warning whistles before blasts to advise residents, workers and pedestrians, Brathwaite said.

Just to the north, the Port Authority is excavating the Tower 2 site, which it must turn over to Silverstein Properties by June 30 or else face a $300,000-a-day penalty. The Port faced a similar deadline for Towers 3 and 4 and ultimately paid Silverstein $14.4 million after missing the Dec. 31, 2007 deadline by nearly seven weeks.

But Brathwaite said things look better at Tower 2 and the Port expects to meet the June 30 deadline. There is less dense rock at Tower 2, meaning that the Port likely will not have to use hoe rams, large jackhammers, to finish excavating. The density of the rock is what delayed the excavation at Towers 3 and 4, and the pounding of the hoe rams kept residents up all night long late last fall into the winter.

Glenn Guzi, a Port Authority program manager, said the Port would try not to work between 11 p.m. and 6 a.m. But Bill Love, a board member who lives in Gateway Plaza, said he recently looked out his window at 1 a.m. and saw two machines digging at the Tower 2 site.

After resident complaints during the excavation for Towers 3 and 4, the Port Authority agreed to pay for soundproof windows in three residential buildings: 110 Liberty St., 125 Cedar St. and 90 West St. The Port is working with building owners but no windows have been installed yet, Guzi said. He added that the Port has no plans to extend the program to additional buildings, like Gateway Plaza.

Work is also moving ahead at the Freedom Tower, where passersby will begin to see steel rising past street level in the late summer or early fall, Brathwaite said.

* * *

Two separate projects are happening right now at the Memorial Museum. First, workers are completing the foundations for the steel superstructure. By the summer, steel will begin to rise, though it will be far below street level and out of sight.

Also, Port Authority is building a new slurry wall on the west side of the site to hold back the Hudson River. The new wall will reinforce the existing slurry wall, which will remain in place and exposed as an exhibit in the museum.

* * *

The Lower Manhattan Development Corporation sent two representatives to the C.B. 1 meeting to update the board on abatement work at 130 Liberty St., the former Deutsche Bank building where a fire killed two firefighters last August. The building needs to be decontaminated before it can be demolished.

The L.M.D.C. recently moved to double shifts at Deutsche, and now 150 to 200 workers are in the building each day, spokesperson Mike Murphy said. Eventually, 300 to 400 workers a day will be in the building.

The workers are finishing up preliminary abatement work and will soon start formal abatement, doing two floors at a time. The decontamination chambers on floors 18 and 19 are nearly complete — workers just have to line the chambers with plastic. Abatement on 18 and 19 will start by the end of this week, Murphy said. In the meantime, workers will build a decontamination chamber for floors 16 and 17. The building is still on schedule to be abated and demolished by the end of the year, he said.

After demolishing the building, the Port is planning to build a vehicle security center there, which might go beneath new headquarters for JPMorgan Chase. Last month Chase moved to buy Bear Stearns and acquire the Stearns headquarters in Midtown, throwing Chase’s plans for the Tower 5 site into question.

Hughes, of C.B. 1, recently attended a meeting at Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver’s office where a lawyer for JPMorgan said the firm still plans to build at 130 Liberty St., but that they may eliminate the trading floors, reducing the “beer belly” in the building’s original design or eliminating it entirely.

“There seemed to be a commitment to move employees to Tower 5,” Hughes said.

* * *

Joe Schwed, the Port Authority’s new site safety manager for the World Trade Center, attended the meeting to explain the safety procedures at the site, including weekly safety meetings. Schwed is also charged with addressing two of the community’s most common complaints: noise and dust.

To deal with noise, the Port Authority is extending the sound barrier on Church St. around the entire site, Schwed said. To deal with dust tracked out of the site by construction vehicles, the Port recently bought a heavy-duty street sweeper. The machine throws down water, uses bristles to scrub the street and then vacuums up the dirt and water. Several community members said the new machine is helping, but dust still escapes from the site.

Several C.B. 1 members recently got a preview of the street sweeper in action, and a select few got a turn behind the wheel. As the Port Authority representatives clicked through PowerPoint slides at the meeting, a photo of the sweeper popped up with none other than Catherine McVay Hughes behind the wheel, grinning at the camera.

“I didn’t drive it!” Hughes said, laughing.

Julie@DowntownExpress.com

TalB?? With news that isn't bad? Good read for once, isn't it nice to see things moving along on this project tal?

big pour is going on right now, looks like another floor :)


http://www.earthcam.net/users2/interface.php?id=445&projectid=202&clientid=158

Too much spamming in this thread. Please stay on topic.

great info webeagle, cheers. Looks like pouring near edge of the tower. Near the steel beams. I can see dark concrete colours.

Is edge of the tower roughly marked by the steel beams or is it much bigger. Because when I compared it to former WTC, steel beam mark is smaller.

It is the same dimensions at the base as the old WTC.

great info webeagle, cheers. Looks like pouring near edge of the tower. Near the steel beams. I can see dark concrete colours.

The dark colors you are seeing are the steel bars of the rebar. The fresh poured concrete is grey and much lighter :)

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04252008/news/regionalnews/pa_honcho_is_blue_cross_108026.htm
PA HONCHO IS BLUE-CROSS

By PATRICK GALLAHUE

April 25, 2008 -- The head of the Port Authority yesterday slammed the outrageous trashing of confidential Freedom Tower blueprints.

"There is a construction protocol as to how you get rid of blueprints and plans you no longer need," said Chairman Anthony Coscia.

"It was not followed in this instance . . . We are looking into the issue. We are investigating how it occurred."

Last week, The Post reported that a homeless man found the blueprints - detailing floor plans, air ducts, elevators, electrical systems and support columns - in a SoHo trash can.

Days later, two self-proclaimed "salvage experts" recovered from a Dumpster 300 pounds of documents containing the personal information of Ground Zero workers and blueprints for World Trade Center 4, the temporary PATH station, construction specifications for World Trade Center 7, and plans for the PA Police Headquarters.

freedom tower's an absolute beauty!!

this might be a little off topic but do any of you think, any of the other buildings will get names like the freedom tower did? just wondering

this might be a little off topic but do any of you think, any of the other buildings will get names like the freedom tower did? just wondering

I think that if a large corporation was to become a tenant they might take the name of that tenant. In colloquial usage if nothing else, like how WTC7 was known as the Salomon Brothers Building.

By the way, the improper disposal of blueprints is one thing but the improper disposal of workers personal records is just inexcusable.

I can't wait until it reaches it's APEX!

Is there alternative way to post photos apart from just linking url to the photo, because sometimes I can't do that. Like copy and paste doesn't work for me.

http://www.earthcam.net/users2/interface.php?id=445&projectid=202&clientid=158

zoom into freedom tower are by holding + and move across photo by dragging.

on the bottom left you'll see calender, compare 24th and 26th april. Then you'll see result of pour yesterday on the left wall of freedom tower from our view

In this image, on the left outer wall part of this foundation there're orange coloured floors with steel beams along it. This is where concrete was poured 2 days ago, so are they steel rebars???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Wtcsite-20080420a.jpg

can't see the pic

and btw...will you ever learn not to Tripple post :ohno:

If I'm not mistaken, today marks the first day of the third year of construction on the FT. Two down and another almost 4 to go. That would make it 1/3 complete? By the way, I've read that it'll now be late summer to early fall before the tower rises above street level.

http://www.earthcam.net/users2/interface.php?id=445&projectid=202&clientid=158

zoom into freedom tower are by holding + and move across photo by dragging.

on the bottom left you'll see calender, compare 24th and 26th april. Then you'll see result of pour yesterday on the left wall of freedom tower from our view

Random question... OK, I know that the construction site in the upper-right corner of the pit is going to be Tower 1. I know the long structure running left to right through the middle of the footprint is the replacement subway/PATH station. But what's the structure in the foreground (bottom, about 2/3 of the way to the right in the webcam)? It looks like a significant structure, but will be completely buried when the entire WTC site is finished. Are those construction offices? It doesn't look like it's attached to the train station. What gives?

But what's the structure in the foreground (bottom, about 2/3 of the way to the right in the webcam)? It looks like a significant structure, but will be completely buried when the entire WTC site is finished. Are those construction offices? It doesn't look like it's attached to the train station. What gives?

Hard to know what you're talking about without a marked up picture but if you're talking about the structure at the bottom of the picture with the construction trailers on it, between towers 2 & 3, then that's where the Calatrava transit hub will be. That would be the permanent station as opposed to the current temp stations which will be gone by 2012.

If you're taking about the structure running beside the FT, then that's the east-west path corrider to the WFC.

Random question... OK, I know that the construction site in the upper-right corner of the pit is going to be Tower 1. I know the long structure running left to right through the middle of the footprint is the replacement subway/PATH station. But what's the structure in the foreground (bottom, about 2/3 of the way to the right in the webcam)? It looks like a significant structure, but will be completely buried when the entire WTC site is finished. Are those construction offices? It doesn't look like it's attached to the train station. What gives?

I believe that white or off whtie colored structure your talking about at the bottom of the picture, is/was the farehouse/concourse/corridor for the current PATH station that is now closed, and ready to be demolished for the new PATH station.

Any updates? Last was on pg 218.

Well the thing is that for some time after 9/11 there were 'precautions' taken including discouraging people from taking pictures of tall buildings and the subway. It's not something that's seriously enfored, but maybe it's in the back of some people's minds.

I take tons of photos of buildings, transit systems, and so on, the only place i don't even have my camera on or out is when im on PATH trains, or at the WTC PATH stations. If a police officer or transit worker or on duty national guard person asks me to not take photos of something i'll really politely ask why and say that i'm a photographer, and if this doesn't satisfy them i move on to another spot or pack it up for the time being. One time i was on NJ transit train taking photos and a conductor said i couldn't take pictures bla bla bla, so i stop taking pictures, but then i reported the incident and cleared everything up, she was wrong, but since you're on their train you take the safe road.

- Andy

Any updates? Last was on pg 218.

They are dismantling the temporary PATH station & doing a ton of other work last time i saw. Very few good vantage points since the temporary church street entrance was closed, but there are some ok ones on the pedestrian fly-over.

- Andy

I haven't seen the site in a few days so I'm going to check the cam soon. Last time I checked, the entire place as a whole was alive and booming with activity.


http://i25.tinypic.com/30dcbr7.jpg

In this rendering alone, you can’t forget that, to the right, WTC Tower 5 and the 52-story 123 Washington (u/c) are missing. To the left, 99 Church Street (80 floors/912 feet) is missing, and you may also be able to see the 75-story Beekman Tower which is really rising, (and there’s another 800-footer I think I’m forgetting) . Also, downtown will really be unconquerable in a few years since you can say goodbye to the ugly Verizon Building façade!!!
50 West Street (60fl) will also be another nice addition to the World Trade Center area, but I don’t think you can see it from the angle of the rendering I just posted. Out of all of that, the only tower that seems to be not progressing right now WTC Tower 5, but I’m sure we’ll get updated about it soon, and also there’s a very small possibility of another WTC Tower too. All of these new monsters going up simultaneously, and there’s no way that they all won’t be completed since 8 Spruce was just restarted and the others all have green lights.

They are pouring the southern core today. I was going to mention yesterday that is seemed that the southern core was finally ready to have a pour. I guess I was not far off.

I also notice that they have been building a steel structure above the PATH tunnel maybe to shift the weight load of the tower to the core. If you look right tunnel roof there seems to be steel lined up every few feet, with a white beam thrown in there that croses them diagnolly

seems the things are getting speed slowly :)

It seems like you can also see the floor part of the second floor starting to wrap around the core (even if it may be a part of the remains of the old WTC, I think they are going to make it a part of the New WTC. The steel beams are only HALF as tall as they used to be, and the ones there are now getting shorter, meaning the skyscraper is going up. The progress is amazing and in a few months we'll see the bulk of the tower's below grade part.

From the angle of the HD cam, what is that thing (it has green rebarb sticking up) being constructed in the middle of Freedom Tower's steel beams and the temp PATH station?
I think that it may be one of the small cores that will encase Freedom Tower's emergency staircases and other stuff.

It doesn't take blueprints or a rocket scientist to tell you if you want to bring the building down, place the bomb near a support column or in the core.



It doesn't take a rocket scientist but it does take a demolition expert and your above theory blows chunks only. Glad you made it to this site from spamming and being banned from two other sites. Don't worry your safe here.
They only ban the good ones.

BTW where is Daquan13? :ohno:
This guy new his stuff on NYC.

I dont know if this question sounds stupid, but as far as i know it is forbidden to use elevators to evacuate a bldg in the US. But since this tower will have that thick corewalls and asia has made good expieriences in evacuating with elevators, wouldn´t it be a good choise to change the laws maybe with this tower?

And will the staircases be low presured that smoke can´t come inside?

And will the staircases be low presured that smoke can´t come inside?

It has to be over presurised in order to prevent smoke from coming in.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist but it does take a demolition expert and your above theory blows chunks only. Glad you made it to this site from spamming and being banned from two other sites. Don't worry your safe here.
They only ban the good ones.

BTW where is Daquan13? :ohno:
This guy new his stuff on NYC.

You are aware that it only took the collapse of one column to bring down the original WTC 7, right?

Of course that was a different design than the Freedom Tower.

where would it be in this picture
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3176/2358267028_1cd1eee386_b.jpg

^^ It's not in that picture. It would be further to the left of the end of that picture. The picture only shows from about 23rd Street to way uptown, possibly 90th?

They are pouring the southern core today

If you go to http://www.earthcam.net/users2/interface.php?id=445&projectid=202&clientid=158 then by the caldender on the left side of the page, click on may 1st (when concrete was poured)

at exactly 12:15pm (bottom left of the calender, there are time intervals when photos were taken, click on it and click on 12:15) you'll see green pipe appearing on right side of the southern core cranne. And at 12:45 its pouring.

You are aware that it only took the collapse of one column to bring down the original WTC 7, right?

Of course that was a different design than the Freedom Tower.


Not aware of that. If you are referring to that 47 storey building which collapsed in the afternoon I highly doubt one column would bring down the whole building. It was a huge explosion and to this day there are questionable opinions as to how that building collapsed.

When the underground truck bombing of the WTC occured in 1993, the whole parkade collapsed but none of the 113 massive load support beams were damaged. That was first looked at by engineers before any clean up or repair work could be done. What Watusi stated is too simplistic to bring down a building.

where would it be in this picture
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3176/2358267028_1cd1eee386_b.jpg


You would not be able to see the Freedom Tower in that picture because that picture only shows the midtown skyline to the upper Manhattan skyline. The downtown skyline, where this building is, is not included. I think it would be all they way to the left if that picture were longer.

Not aware of that. If you are referring to that 47 storey building which collapsed in the afternoon I highly doubt one column would bring down the whole building. It was a huge explosion and to this day there are questionable opinions as to how that building collapsed.

When the underground truck bombing of the WTC occured in 1993, the whole parkade collapsed but none of the 113 massive load support beams were damaged. That was first looked at by engineers before any clean up or repair work could be done. What Watusi stated is too simplistic to bring down a building.

I don't want to clutter up the thread, but the latest analysis by the NIST does suggest that the failure of one column brought down all of WTC7. Let's just say that it wasn't an ordinary building since it was built around a Con Edison substation and as a result the structure was what I would call "wonky". Also, the structure of the original WTC7 was completely different from WTC1 and 2 so I don't think the 1993 truck bombing has any relevance here. Heck, it wasn't even built until 1987.

Off topic

Get over WTC7, it collapsed due to a massive internal failure due to massive damage caused by the falling north tower.

On topic

This morning they are delivering many more steel columns (almost hidden in the fog). What's with all the steel columns laying on top of the subway tunnel? Are they creating a new super floor that is intended to distribute the load of the tower over the tunnel?

amazing!!!!!!1

^^ Yes. I think i pointed that out in post 4473

^^ probably because nobody answered your post :)

Live webcam update at 11:45. Not very good quality sorry... indeed there is no big change

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/9660/freedomtowerlive1tn8.jpg
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/9140/freedomtowerlive2gc8.jpg
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/7968/freedomtowerlive3ah7.jpg

I found this one on SSP. Sorry for double posting but its not actually double posting. There is 7 min. difference. :D

http://i25.tinypic.com/ejc0if.jpg

Why post screencaps from the webcam that we all have access to?

Why post screencaps from the webcam that we all have access to?

Not everybody has access to the cams because you need to be using Internet Explorer to see it. :ohno: No Macs... No Linux... No Unix...

Not everybody has access to the cams because you need to be using Internet Explorer to see it. :ohno: No Macs... No Linux... No Unix...
Besides, once that moment has passed, it cannot be seen again ...live. So posting caps is a good think :)

^^ The webcam is archived...

Not everybody has access to the cams because you need to be using Internet Explorer to see it. :ohno: No Macs... No Linux... No Unix...

Well then my apologies. I'm not having any trouble looking at it using Firefox, though.

http://www.earthcam.net/users2/interface.php?id=445&projectid=202&clientid=158

I found this one on SSP. Sorry for double posting but its not actually double posting. There is 7 min. difference. :D

http://i25.tinypic.com/ejc0if.jpg

It's hard to tell from the aerial photo, but it looks like the construction is ready to break through street level. What's the estimated completion date of the tower again?

Not everybody has access to the cams because you need to be using Internet Explorer to see it. :ohno: No Macs... No Linux... No Unix...

i use firefox it works fine =\

I approve of the use of Earthcam caps.

Not that anyone needs my approval of course.

I wonder when the Church St temporary PATH station will be torn down.

It's hard to tell from the aerial photo, but it looks like the construction is ready to break through street level. What's the estimated completion date of the tower again?

Yes, it has 1 floor left to reach the street level. I hope they will get faster after achieving street level.

BTW, the desired schedule for construction, calls for the tower's foundation to commence April of 2006, concrete to grade by the end of 2007, topping out in 2009 and completion in 2011.

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why needs the construction so a long time?they built for 3-4 years and there is already no core or any other part of a tower.when could we see the tower grow up ?

(sorry for my bad english :))