Of curse this building safer then the last one. If it wasn't the PA wouldn't be doing their job would they. This will be one of safest building in the world.

From what I can see, a new type of steel column is being erected today - the type that branches off into two parts and is visible in the patrly transparent base perhaps after reaching a certain point. It could also be for a corner. It's in a "Y" shape.

^^ which part?

One of the progress I saw from yesterday was at north east part of the core where something like wooden plates are stacking upon each other with gap inbetween, no idea what it is.

Of curse this building safer then the last one. If it wasn't the PA wouldn't be doing their job would they. This will be one of safest building in the world.
Indeed :yes:

It may have happened to the corner pointing to 7WTC, but I may be wrong.

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showpost.php?p=244861&postcount=5048

Judging from the Earthcam you're not wrong, the column in that corner definitely grew since yesterday.

Hey everybody! Here's a couple of screenshots I took today from the various webcams.

Substantial progress is taking place throughout the site. You can see the walls they're building along the west bathtub, Freedom Tower site, and Path Station for the Memorial. You can also see that excavation for Tower 2 and the Path Station is speeding up. The foundation work for towers 3 and 4 is starting to take shape too. Hopefully we'll see some concrete soon.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3029/2747671540_e303f81f3b_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3269/2747671600_f2c9fd183e_o.jpg

... And here's a close up of the work being done on the Freedom Tower.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3136/2746839173_285851213d_o.jpg

Nice, you should post weekly some screenshots of those webcams. :)

great updates

Nice updates. Thanks!

Wow I can't believe just how fast this building is moving along. It's truely impressive and shows how great America really is.

^^????^^ If you think this project is moving fast what you think slow is?

^^????^^ If you think this project is moving fast what you think slow is?

Yeh, it's been a hole in the ground for the past 8 years. :soon:

No one has been building for 8 years. There isn't a project in the country as ambitious, large, or complex, just for starters...

If the new WTC spire/antenna is designed properly maybe it could free the ESB of it's messy attachments on it's deco spire, the antenna on top is OK.
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/9234/esbmastmediumuk5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
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They started work on this building at the start of 2006 end of 2005 so it's been a little over 2 years

Great update! Now something happenes :)

They started work on this building at the start of 2006 end of 2005 so it's been a little over 2 years

April 26th, 2006... which would make it 2 years, 3.5 months

When's the WTC memorial going to be finished? Same time as the Freedom tower? Or when the whole complex is completed?

It hasnt been a hole in the ground for 8 years, its only 7 years since the attacks. This is slow, fact, how people can say otherwise is quite ridiculous. Im getting bored of this.

Wow I can't believe just how fast this building is moving along. It's truely impressive and shows how great America really is.

I would change pusher! :lol::lol:

I would change pusher! :lol::lol:

I'm not sure what you mean by that but it does seem as though there are some people who don't get sarcasm. :nuts:

Oh cool, but it also seems as though there are some people who don't get the utter basics of building big.

I visited this site last night it is very erie at night, but the i have monitored the progress over the past 2 years from when it was the one steel beam in the ground that said the freedom tower on it, til now and the progress is remarkable

Yeh, it's been a hole in the ground for the past 8 years. :soon:

that is a very bland remark, you forget the fact that the sight took 2 years to clean up and during that time they were searching for bodies too, then 2 more years for excavating the sight repairing roads and such, then some more time for alterations in the designs, then finally starting work in 2006 in december so actually around 2 years

that is a very bland remark, you forget the fact that the sight took 2 years to clean up and during that time they were searching for bodies too, then 2 more years for excavating the sight repairing roads and such, then some more time for alterations in the designs, then finally starting work in 2006 in december so actually around 2 years

While I agree it's ridiculous to say it's been a hole in the ground for 8 years (it's been less than 7 years since the attacks!), I believe that excavation of the site took only 8 months with road repairs going on at the same time. If someone wants an idea of the fastest time in which the towers could have possibly been constructed had everything gone perfectly right, just look at the construction of the new WTC7, which opened in May 2006. As with the rest of the site, there was a massive debris pile in its place which had to be excavated, underground infrastructure which had to be repaired (a ConEd station, a subway line), and the design stage of the building itself.

To be fair, the other buildings are all much bigger projects than WTC7, and their designs have changed even though WTC7's remained the same, but it's still depressing just HOW FAR this has pushed the buildings behind WTC7's schedule. 3 years for WTC1 and 5 years for Towers 2-4? Easily. So, yeah, I don't think you can blame the delays on a 4 year excavation/repair period. The reasons for the delays seem more beaurocratic. Larry Silverstein owned the WTC7 site and at least had the determination to get that site redeveloped immediately, whereas the Port Authority owns the main site and is taking forever to hand the east portion over to Silverstein.

While I agree it's ridiculous to say it's been a hole in the ground for 8 years (it's been less than 7 years since the attacks!), I believe that excavation of the site took only 8 months with road repairs going on at the same time. If someone wants an idea of the fastest time in which the towers could have possibly been constructed had everything gone perfectly right, just look at the construction of the new WTC7, which opened in May 2006. As with the rest of the site, there was a massive debris pile in its place which had to be excavated, underground infrastructure which had to be repaired (a ConEd station, a subway line), and the design stage of the building itself.

To be fair, the other buildings are all much bigger projects than WTC7, and their designs have changed even though WTC7's remained the same, but it's still depressing just HOW FAR this has pushed the buildings behind WTC7's schedule. 3 years for WTC1 and 5 years for Towers 2-4? Easily. So, yeah, I don't think you can blame the delays on a 4 year excavation/repair period. The reasons for the delays seem more beaurocratic. Larry Silverstein owned the WTC7 site and at least had the determination to get that site redeveloped immediately, whereas the Port Authority owns the main site and is taking forever to hand the east portion over to Silverstein.

i can definitely agree with what you are saying the progress definitely isnt as fast as it should be but isnt it better to have it done slow and right?, the last thing we need is another sep. 11, but the wtc 7 was also very much needed very fast for office space, I think that is why it was built so fast

While I agree it's ridiculous to say it's been a hole in the ground for 8 years (it's been less than 7 years since the attacks!), I believe that excavation of the site took only 8 months with road repairs going on at the same time. If someone wants an idea of the fastest time in which the towers could have possibly been constructed had everything gone perfectly right, just look at the construction of the new WTC7, which opened in May 2006. As with the rest of the site, there was a massive debris pile in its place which had to be excavated, underground infrastructure which had to be repaired (a ConEd station, a subway line), and the design stage of the building itself.

To be fair, the other buildings are all much bigger projects than WTC7, and their designs have changed even though WTC7's remained the same, but it's still depressing just HOW FAR this has pushed the buildings behind WTC7's schedule. 3 years for WTC1 and 5 years for Towers 2-4? Easily. So, yeah, I don't think you can blame the delays on a 4 year excavation/repair period. The reasons for the delays seem more beaurocratic. Larry Silverstein owned the WTC7 site and at least had the determination to get that site redeveloped immediately, whereas the Port Authority owns the main site and is taking forever to hand the east portion over to Silverstein.

No one died in WTC7 and as far as I know it isn't in the bathtub that needed major repairs after 9/11. I believe that the leasing agreement/insurance for WTC7 was different as well.

7WTC is a constant reminder of the superiority of private development... Overlooking the mess the city has managed to make.

Larry Silverstein for the win?! Yes.

Still love it.

No one died in WTC7 and as far as I know it isn't in the bathtub that needed major repairs after 9/11. I believe that the leasing agreement/insurance for WTC7 was different as well.

The biggest difference with WTC7 was that it was done entirely privately without gov't involvement. The other sites and structures have become entangled in governmental bureaucracy in every phase. It's hard to do anything correctly and fast when you have so many opinions involved. I think I read somewhere there are 18 agencies involved in these projects not counting permitting and construction. With that much government involved it will be a miracle if the other buildings are ever finished let alone on schedule and on budget!

The biggest difference with WTC7 was that it was done entirely privately without gov't involvement. The other sites and structures have become entangled in governmental bureaucracy in every phase. It's hard to do anything correctly and fast when you have so many opinions involved. I think I read somewhere there are 18 agencies involved in these projects not counting permitting and construction. With that much government involved it will be a miracle if the other buildings are ever finished let alone on schedule and on budget!

Oh I'm not trying to defend the way the government has handled the site, I agree with you 100%.

wtc 7 was also very much needed very fast for office space, I think that is why it was built so fast

Well, the top 10 floors are still vacant since it was built, so tenants don't seem to be fighting each other over available office space. Though I read an article a while back where it said that a huge surge in demand for downtown office space was expected in 2012 when a lot of company contracts ended then, which would be right around the time that the new buildings open.

I believe that the leasing agreement/insurance for WTC7 was different as well.

True. The insurers for WTC7 paid up right away and the money was almost enough to cover the full $700 million cost for WTC7. From what I understand, Silverstein has been in court battles with his insurers for the Twin Towers and WTC 4 & 5 for years. Still, I believe the court battles ended in 2006, two years before the PA will have handed over the rest of the east site to Silverstein.

#7 WTC was redesigned, it was not the original blueprints.

I understand the reasons for the delay, I was just mentioning that this hole in the ground has been there since 2001 (about 8 years now).

Please don't read to much into a factual comment, thanks! :cheers2:

Well, the top 10 floors are still vacant since it was built, so tenants don't seem to be fighting each other over available office space. Though I read an article a while back where it said that a huge surge in demand for downtown office space was expected in 2012 when a lot of company contracts ended then, which would be right around the time that the new buildings open.


Yeah, it'll fill up sooner rather than later. Wasn't there talk of HSBC moving into the top floors just this past month?


True. The insurers for WTC7 paid up right away and the money was almost enough to cover the full $700 million cost for WTC7. From what I understand, Silverstein has been in court battles with his insurers for the Twin Towers and WTC 4 & 5 for years. Still, I believe the court battles ended in 2006, two years before the PA will have handed over the rest of the east site to Silverstein.

Indeed. In fact I think he managed to get the double payout that he wanted by counting the two aircraft as separate incidents. For all intents and purposes the guy is flush with cash and if the government would but-out he'd have this thing moving like a freight train.

#7 WTC was redesigned, it was not the original blueprints.

I understand the reasons for the delay, I was just mentioning that this hole in the ground has been there since 2001 (about 8 years now).

Please don't read to much into a factual comment, thanks! :cheers2:

The original WTC7 has the dubious honor of being the skyscraper with the shortest lifespan. 14 years.

The biggest difference with WTC7 was that it was done entirely privately without gov't involvement. The other sites and structures have become entangled in governmental bureaucracy in every phase. It's hard to do anything correctly and fast when you have so many opinions involved. I think I read somewhere there are 18 agencies involved in these projects not counting permitting and construction. With that much government involved it will be a miracle if the other buildings are ever finished let alone on schedule and on budget!

Well, you paint with a broad brush there. The WTC site is a big transportation hub and to build on top of it requires a lot of preparation and foundation work. It wasn't just the government that held up work on the site. There was Silverstein, the insurers of the property, AND the government, all of whom did their part to delay construction.

And the state of New York interfered as well, under a REPUBLICAN governor.

Well, you paint with a broad brush there. The WTC site is a big transportation hub and to build on top of it requires a lot of preparation and foundation work. It wasn't just the government that held up work on the site. There was Silverstein, the insurers of the property, AND the government, all of whom did their part to delay construction.

And the state of New York interfered as well, under a REPUBLICAN governor.

WTC7 had a subway line and a huge ConEd substation to deal with. Silverstein has been ready to get on with it for a long time and is noted elsewhere insurance claims were settled in 2006 in the only applied to Silverstein's side of the work. The PA side of the equation was not delayed because of the insurance issues. And yes, the state government was one of the group of governmental agencies that interfered and delayed the projects.

Can we please get back on topic

If I hear another person, call the former WTC a hole in the ground. I'm going to fucking scream, show the people who died in that so called hole some respect. The people who call it a hole, can't be from NYC and have no class what so ever.

Have somebody high resolution pictures with 300 dpi of New York skyscrapers? It must contain Freedom Tower construction site, WTC Tower 7, Empire State Building, Bank of America Tower, Chrysler Building, New York Times tower, former World Trade Center, Citigroup Center, Trump World Tower, etc + skyline of New York. I need it for my book. Me and publisher will pay for it and for copyrights. Please contact me at daniel.zorec@gmail.com.

1) Skyscraper170891 Foff with that book, go to NY yourself to take those shots. Do you really think that someone is stupid enough to send such photo's + his bankaccount number to a gmail address :lol:

2) There are a lot of new pictures on Rebuild Ground Zero (http://www.rebuildgroundzero.com/index.php?option=com_datsogallery&Itemid=47&func=viewcategory&catid=22) :cheers:

why we on about WTC 7 here?

New Video

http://wtc.com/media/videos/Radii%20-%20WTC%20Model%20Makers

Cool video!!!!! ^^
:cheers:

New Video

http://wtc.com/media/videos/Radii%20-%20WTC%20Model%20Makers

Great video! http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/mr-fish/Miscellaneous/BigSmile.gif

Thanks for sharing and keep up the great work. :okay:

If I hear another person, call the former WTC a hole in the ground. I'm going to fucking scream, show the people who died in that so called hole some respect. The people who call it a hole, can't be from NYC and have no class what so ever.

Some bad shit happened, and it sucked, but that was almost a decade a go, let's move forward here, and let's not get all tangled up in semantics and decorum.

Well, we could start calling it a grave. Or a mass grave.

Is that classy? It's a construction site, get over yourself, kingsc.

this project is too slow:(

Here is a video (http://www.wtc.com/media/videos/Marc%20Becker) of the progress so far.

Completely unbelievable how slow the construction of this building is.

You'd think the carpenters and steel workers I work around were working on this.

It's; How many hours can we waste on this jobsite today?

Some people's brains are too slow.:(





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Here is a video (http://www.wtc.com/media/videos/Marc%20Becker) of the progress so far.

Nah... That's clearly from about a year ago.

Back then, there was basically nothing compared to what's there now.

Nah... That's clearly from about a year ago.

Back then, there was basically nothing compared to what's there now.

Hey, that's what I found instead of complaining in this forum, I at least provided something. :cheers2:

All most of the posters here do is complain about stuff they don't understand. What they really need is:

http://i37.tinypic.com/2d7hf7c.jpg

^^ Quit with the personal attacks that are off topic!! :no:

Just for a frame of reference, does anyone know how long it took from the day the original WTC was approved until the 2nd tower was completed?

Just for a frame of reference, does anyone know how long it took from the day the original WTC was approved until the 2nd tower was completed?

The plans were made public in 1961.

Groundbreaking was August 5, 1966.

One World Trade Center complete 1970.
Two World Trade Center complete 1972.

The ribbon cutting ceremony was April 4, 1973.

One more thing I'd like to add:

The World Trade Center was so huge, it had it's own zip code: 10048

Completely unbelievable how slow the construction of this building is.

You'd think the carpenters and steel workers I work around were working on this.

It's; How many hours can we waste on this jobsite today?

please dont ever post in here again...

You dudes need to eat a dick and get off my back, How I'll say wait I want. Now back to the topic.

The World Trade Center was so huge, it had it's own zip code: 10048

Not to mention it had about 200 elevators, about 90 in each tower...

Not to mention it had about 200 elevators, about 90 in each tower...

It was a monster :) (a beautiful monster)

Some bad shit happened, and it sucked, but that was almost a decade a go, let's move forward here, and let's not get all tangled up in semantics and decorum.

Learn some respect. It wasn't nearly ten years ago, coming up to 7. Yes New York, Washington, Pensylvannia and the world has to move foward from what happened on September 11th 2001, but that doesn't stop people from forgetting the tragedy. People will not forget, the world hasn't been the same since, infact its a terrible mess now.
Just learn some respect, imagine if you lost someone or some people who you knew there, or at the Pentagon, or Pensylvannia, you wouldn't say what you did. But back to WTC1, yes construction is slow, but this is one of the most complicated developments in the World, it will be worth it when complete.

Originally Posted by Gendo
Completely unbelievable how slow the construction of this building is.

You'd think the carpenters and steel workers I work around were working on this.

It's; How many hours can we waste on this jobsite today?

please dont ever post in here again...
Truth hurts doesn't? :cheers:

some animals brain are too slow:(

Of curse this building safer then the last one. If it wasn't the PA wouldn't be doing their job would they. This will be one of safest building in the world.

I doubt this building is any safer than the old towers. If you tripped over a chair in this building you're just as safe as tripping over a chair in a grass hut.

I doubt this building is any safer than the old towers. If you tripped over a chair in this building you're just as safe as tripping over a chair in a grass hut.

Read the safety part of this section. I also read before that the freedom tower can withstand multiple plane crashes


http://www.wtc.com/about/freedom-tower/freedom-tower-about

I doubt this building is any safer than the old towers. If you tripped over a chair in this building you're just as safe as tripping over a chair in a grass hut.

IF you walked into the freedom tower you would be just as stupid as you are if you walked into a grass hut, this building has 20 floors on the bottom of a concrete wall to withstand bombs, and uses much more up to date techniques

The plans were made public in 1961.
The World Trade Center was so huge, it had it's own zip code: 10048
It's really not that uncommon. There are a lot of buildings in America with their own ZIP codes. There are even certain people in America with their own ZIP codes (real ZIP codes, not ZIP+4/ZIP+4+2). To send them a letter all you put on the envelope is their ZIP code.

Merchandise Mart (http://chicagoarchitecture.info/Building/1048/Merchandise_Mart.php) in Chicago had its own ZIP code -- 60654 -- until a couple of weeks ago when the surrounding neighborhood lost 60610.

The lobby and the bottom of the Freedom Tower


http://www.wtcrising.com/images/FE/chain217siteType8/site187/client/photoGallery/198/Freedom%20Tower_West%20Plaza%20(credit%20SOM)%20(Large)_big.jpg
http://www.wtcrising.com/images/FE/chain217siteType8/site187/client/photoGallery/198/Freedom%20Tower_Lobby%20Rendering%20(credit%20SOM)%20(Large)_big.jpg
http://www.wtcrising.com/images/FE/chain217siteType8/site187/client/photoGallery/198/Freedom%20Tower_Below%20Grade%20Lobby%20(credit%20SOM)%20(Large)_big.jpg

Great :ohno:; looks like a fucking museum. And sorry, but the podium does not look very open at all, there's the one small entrance compared to the whole wall of entrances with the old tower. The more details I see of this tower, the more I am disappointed. But at least it will still look good at a distance!

The inside is stunning though, looks like something out of the two thousand and 20's. I wonder what New York will look like then =P

^^ Personally, I look forward to the grand opening. Very inviting. :okay:

I'm glad they made it all so clean without too much clutter and decorative stuff. Looks fresh and inviting.

I love this city, congratullation NY

Are the white arches in the southern side donw now? Don't see any more space for them to continue east. looks great anyway.

Great :ohno:; looks like a fucking museum. And sorry, but the podium does not look very open at all, there's the one small entrance compared to the whole wall of entrances with the old tower. The more details I see of this tower, the more I am disappointed. But at least it will still look good at a distance! Thats not even the main entrance here is the main entrance


http://glasssteelandstone.com/Images/US/NY/NYC/WTC/FreedomTower3-003.jpg

At the reception desk, is that wood on the wall or is it marble?

At the reception desk, is that wood on the wall or is it marble?

In the rendering, it appears as wood panels.

In the rendering, it appears as wood panels.

The desk looks like wood, but behind the desk (the wall) it's like marble?

The desk looks like wood, but behind the desk (the wall) it's like marble?

Directly behind the desk are vertical wood panels surrounded by marble panels.

#7 WTC was redesigned, it was not the original blueprints.

No kidding. I just meant that, if you look at the original renderings for WTC7 from 2002, the design is pretty much the same as what was built. The designs for every other building changed drastically, and are still being changed. That's what I meant when I said WTC7's design stayed the same.

Indeed. In fact I think he managed to get the double payout that he wanted by counting the two aircraft as separate incidents. For all intents and purposes the guy is flush with cash and if the government would but-out he'd have this thing moving like a freight train.

It would seem that way, but not so. The judge DID rule that each attack on each tower be treated as two different attacks, which would have doubled his $3.55 billion all-risk policy to $7.1 billion, but Silverstein hadn't yet signed all the papers for his insurance policies when the attacks happened, so many of the 24 insurers got out of having to pay double (I THINK some got out of having to pay anything). As a result, when all was said and done, he received only $4.6 billion in insurance. But in June of this year, the Port Authority announced that the entire site was budgeted at $15 billion, with the head of the PA saying he believed it would go up to $16.5 billion. Of course, that's for the entire site... Silverstein is only responsible for Towers 2-4, about half or maybe 2/3rds of the site. Still, that's way more than the insurance money he received. $10 or so billion in costs? $4.6 billion in insurance? Not exactly "flush with cash".

It would seem that way, but not so. The judge DID rule that each attack on each tower be treated as two different attacks, which would have doubled his $3.55 billion all-risk policy to $7.1 billion, but Silverstein hadn't yet signed all the papers for his insurance policies when the attacks happened, so many of the 24 insurers got out of having to pay double (I THINK some got out of having to pay anything). As a result, when all was said and done, he received only $4.6 billion in insurance. But in June of this year, the Port Authority announced that the entire site was budgeted at $15 billion, with the head of the PA saying he believed it would go up to $16.5 billion. Of course, that's for the entire site... Silverstein is only responsible for Towers 2-4, about half or maybe 2/3rds of the site. Still, that's way more than the insurance money he received. $10 or so billion in costs? $4.6 billion in insurance? Not exactly "flush with cash".

I didn't realize that Silverstein only had access to his insurance payouts and no other forms of cash or loans. He has the ability to get this done right if the PA would back off. I'm also getting tired of hearing about the NYPD wanting to turn Lower Manhattan into a fortress. Yet another way to run up the costs and allow the government to mess up the project.

Directly behind the desk are vertical wood panels surrounded by marble panels.

Okay thanks. :)

*Many off-topic posts deleted*

One, final warning to get back on topic or suspensions will be issued.

OK but we were talking about the location of the freedom tower. Does that have nothing to do with the topic? Just asking a question.

Great :ohno:; looks like a fucking museum. And sorry, but the podium does not look very open at all, there's the one small entrance compared to the whole wall of entrances with the old tower. The more details I see of this tower, the more I am disappointed. But at least it will still look good at a distance!

If you have ever walked through the lobbies of any skyscrapers in New York, you'll notice that they all look like this......

... This building will be the tallest all-office building in the world, along with being apart of the largest office complex on the planet with nothing being close. However, this scraper is like an overrated athlete that just won't live up to the media bs.

...and can we please change the thread name to 1 WTC like on SOM's website.

If you have ever walked through the lobbies of any skyscrapers in New York, you'll notice that they all look like this......

... have you been to the Time Warner Center or the WFC Winter Garden...

... have you been to the Time Warner Center or the WFC Winter Garden...

Ive been to both

I drove by the site yesterday and have seen the sturcture peeking out of the ground. This is a great sign, It has been a long time and can't wait to see this wonderful sturcture start kissing the sky!

... This building will be the tallest all-office building in the world, along with being apart of the largest office complex on the planet with nothing being close. However, this scraper is like an overrated athlete that just won't live up to the media bs.

...and can we please change the thread name to 1 WTC like on SOM's website.

it wont be the tallest in the world, there plans for taller office buildings in the world :)

it wont be the tallest in the world, there plans for taller office buildings in the world :)

can you please give us an example of a building that is completely an office building that is taller

can you please give us an example of a building that is completely an office building that is taller

Shanghai Center, and possible DIFC Supertall . and i know adrian smith is designing a 600m~ office tower for some other country

Shanghai Center, and possible DIFC Supertall . and i know adrian smith is designing a 600m~ office tower for some other country
Its not the tallest office building, it also has an hotel. The freedom tower is completely an office building

its not been said its going to have hotel, but there is also the DIFC Supertall and adrian smiths project that will be pure office and will be 600m~
but lets stay on topic, srry mods for being off.

Hallo friends,

It is good discussion here and also a lot of new information is possible to get to know, but photo update is necessary !!!! :)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3050/2763816146_444bdebee1_b.jpg

7WTC just looks invisible. Great!!!

I´m aware that this construction has faced many challenges, but its taking them forever. Seriously.

^^ come back in 5 months time when it will still be the same...

I know it will start to rise sometime soon after cores rise few more floors, no complaints then.

I think the webcams can be a very bad idea, in a way that it makes the site look tiny and like a toy and can progress quickly but look at just how tiny the human workers are from the webcam, the site is quite massive and is hard work.

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/803/wtc13cpd0.jpg

^^ Thanks for the update, unlinked! :okay:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3050/2763816146_444bdebee1_b.jpg

WOW amazing picture with all of the sky reflections

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3050/2763816146_444bdebee1_b.jpg
what is that building UC next to Finance Center?

what is that building UC next to Finance Center?


It's the new Goldman Sachs building. It has a thread in the highrise sub-forum.

Thank you :cheers:

Does anyone know what the heck is going on at the Tower 3 & 4 site??? Yesterday I saw (on the rebuildgroundzero.com webcam) a concrete truck at the site, and right now there are five at the site:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3194/2766206256_a7b4a9994a_o.jpg

The webcam is too blurry to tell if any concrete has been poured, but I don't know what else the trucks would be doing there if not for Towers 3 and 4. Does anyone living in the area know if any concrete was poured yesterday or today??? Perhaps someone in the area could snap a few photos whenever they get the time??? It would be great news if this means that construction has actually started, but I don't want to get my hopes up.

And yes, I realize this has to do with Towers 3 & 4 and not Tower 1. Are there any threads devoted to 3 and/or 4?

^^ yes, this thread (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=471265&page=60)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3050/2763816146_444bdebee1_b.jpg

Great shot!! That older building looks so out of place in this context, doesn't it?

Great shot!! That older building looks so out of place in this context, doesn't it?

yeah it does but nonetheless a beautiful building, considering it was built in the 30s

^^ And withstood the collapse. What building is to the left of it that is under construction?

^^ And withstood the collapse.

They were severely damaged and were repaired.

What building is to the left of it that is under construction?

That's the Goldman Sachs World Headquarters under construction.

In a few years, that view will look completely different with a brand new World Trade Center complex with a brand new transit center and memorial park.

They were severely damaged and were repaired.



That's the Goldman Sachs World Headquarters under construction.

In a few years, that view will look completely different with a brand new World Trade Center complex with a brand new transit center and memorial park.

when it begins to rise that will be a sight to see, considering there will be 5 skyscrapers rising in the same area, i cant wait to visit nyc again during that time

A few days old. Freedom Tower is on the bottom left corner.
From flickr by cdscally and wyliepoon.

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In every picture of the WTC, before the Twins, after the Twins, and now during construction, the Verizon building is always overlooking everything.

Man, if that building could talk, it would have tons to say.

beautifull tower... long life to NY

In every picture of the WTC, before the Twins, after the Twins, and now during construction, the Verizon building is always overlooking everything.

Man, if that building could talk, it would have tons to say.

Haha I was just thinking the same thing the other day. It's seen so much and it's still standing proud. :)

Okay this might sound trollish, but seriously, I check this thread maybe once a year and it's still underground.

check again in a year

Okay this might sound trollish, but seriously, I check this thread maybe once a year and it's still underground.

Okay, then you must be blind or looking at the wrong pages, since it's above grade.

i follow the cunstruction EVERY SINGLE DAY on earth cam !!

http://www.earthcam.net/users2/interface.php?i=0&id=445&projectid=202&clientid=158

I can't believe Verizon is still standing after 9/11. It is a good piece of architecture for the 30's, but it looks very out of place! What is the building on the other side of WTC 7? That would be a prime site for a tower.

I can't believe Verizon is still standing after 9/11. It is a good piece of architecture for the 30's, but it looks very out of place! What is the building on the other side of WTC 7? That would be a prime site for a tower.

Having a mix of old skyscrapers and new skyscrapers is one of the things that makes New York unique! It and Chicago are the only two cities with such a unique blend. Places like Dubai with all new building look bland compared to New York. Everything possible needs to be done to insure that old buildings and architectural styles are preserved.

Having a mix of old skyscrapers and new skyscrapers is one of the things that makes New York unique! It and Chicago are the only two cities with such a unique blend. Places like Dubai with all new building look bland compared to New York. Everything possible needs to be done to insure that old buildings and architectural styles are preserved.

That's true. You can explore the city and discover the history of skyscraper building.

I agree with you, just said it looks very out of place. Not a criticism. People here in the UK are far too over protective of old buildings, such stupid 5 storey victorian terraced houses in City Centers, which groups say should stay there rather than having a skyscraper on them. And they're horrendous looking. People moan about skyscrapers proposed being built on derelict land here, ''ruins the area' and they get ''lack of sunlight''

Anyway, I should be visiting New York next year, how high 1WTC be you reckon?

I agree with you, just said it looks very out of place. Not a criticism. People here in the UK are far too over protective of old buildings, such stupid 5 storey victorian terraced houses in City Centers, which groups say should stay there rather than having a skyscraper on them. And they're horrendous looking. People moan about skyscrapers proposed being built on derelict land here, ''ruins the area' and they get ''lack of sunlight''

Anyway, I should be visiting New York next year, how high 1WTC be you reckon?

Maybe two metres above ground level.

Maybe two metres above ground level.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but it already passed that mark.

I'm sure than in one year most of the base will have taken shape.

next year it should be pretty high... much higher than the base.

This has to be THE building I want to see rise, and from all skyscrapers built around the world its probably the slowest one, they have their reasons for it, Im sure. And for this one, i have got patience. I want to go to NY soon, but I think I'll wait till this ones finished.

OH you don't like how long there taking. Why don't you go down there and show those guys how it's done without half assing the work. This building could get done alot fast if, the people who bitch about it progress. Got jobs down there and help out. I say if your not doing anything to help, then you can't complain.

i'm a new yorker but i have to accept this is pretty sad.....how hard can it be to construct a tower by some hundred of professional workers...i pass by here every two weeks and i see the same damn pictures of the same slow progress...

i want to see this thing rise already...i want a new lower manhattan...how hard can it get?there are making millions of issues to slow down this construction!

OH you don't like how long there taking. Why don't you go down there and show those guys how it's done without half assing the work. This building could get done alot fast if, the people who bitch about it progress. Got jobs down there and help out. I say if your not doing anything to help, then you can't complain.


:omg: what's the matter with you?? Your argument must have been one of the poorest, senseless and most banal one of the entire forum. He just said it's going slow, that's all, so just calm down, ok? Every now and then jerks like you show up only to srew up all the nice going on discussion.
So if you have nothing productive to say, just shut up.

OH you don't like how long there taking. Why don't you go down there and show those guys how it's done without half assing the work. This building could get done alot fast if, the people who bitch about it progress. Got jobs down there and help out. I say if your not doing anything to help, then you can't complain.
what?how would a bunch of bitching people seeking jobs at the site help the progress of the building?

I don't want to sound crazy about this but why do people quote a post with a pic when it is preceeding their post ? I understand it makes quick reference to their point but you can end up with same pic repeated 4 or 5 times on one page of posts ???? Not complaining, just an observation.......Great pics by the way, having visited the site last September can see many changes...It's moving ! Great!

The point is you can't do anything about how long it's taking. The building will be done when it's done. You should be glad there doing something down there. For 5 years their was nothing happen. It took damn near ten years to building the first WTC.

^^ agree, it seems that on every page of this thread people are whining about the progresss of this tower.

Well at least they're finally getting something done. Something other than arguing over it like a bunch of idiots, as they were before.

Taken August 16, 2008:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3150/2776405467_3c084327e6_b.jpg (http://flickr.com/photos/bostoncitywalk/2776405467/)

http://flickr.com/photos/bostoncitywalk/

^^ Thecitywalker, is that steel beams I see in your photo rising on the right (to the left of the double-cranes) http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/mr-fish/Miscellaneous/q.gif

Amazing quality! http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/mr-fish/Miscellaneous/Yay.gif

probably no steel beams for the tower ^^

Its scaffolding in the foreground, that just looks like its part of 1 WTC.

Certaintly scaffolding ... I walked over closer to the site later on but my pictures came out pretty poorly.

^^ Okay, upon a second look, it does appear to be scaffolding. :okay:

The building (red circle) in below pic was parking site, right?
http://www.panoramio.com/photos/original/13285744.jpg

^^^ Yes. It was a parking lot. It is going to be the new Goldman Sachs world headquarters when complete. It will have retail space on lower floors, 6 trading floor levels, and 30 stories of office space.

are there tenants lined up for this tower?

It is going to be the New Goldman World Headquarters so I am assuming it will be all them...

The point is you can't do anything about how long it's taking. The building will be done when it's done. You should be glad there doing something down there. For 5 years their was nothing happen. It took damn near ten years to building the first WTC.

This is true, although the duration of the construction of the original WTC was closer to 12 years, only the last 4 years of this timeframe was above grade construction, steel framing of the towers began in mid 1971, and when the steel framing of the north tower reached about the 25th floor, the south tower steel framing started above grade. The south tower, (shorter of the two) topped out in December. 1974,

Excavation began in 1966, (this includes reconfigureation of city underground utilitys, train and subway trackage, and blasting of rock for laying the foundation(s), (overall, below grade work lasted about 10 years, some of this time overlapping other aspects of the construction) all the same, it still took 5 years to see something at ground level.

From what i've seen so far, the foundation(s) of this tower, will have the strength to handle anything short of a direct nuclear blast, a large percentage of the structural steel, even above grade has sheer pins for concrete encasement, as do many of the below grade floors, (look close at some photo's from a few months back an you will see steel plates with sheer pins making up actual floor ceilings) also, the first standard floor will be over 100' above grade, this will be the most interesting part of this tower, that being everything below the first standard floor, the strongest base for a skyscraper ever constructed in the world.

So however long this takes, we are witness to many "first's" in skyscraper construction.

It is going to be the New Goldman World Headquarters so I am assuming it will be all them...

are you talking about goldman sachs? their new headquarter will not be in the freedom tower, but a tower across the street (see last picture)

Yeah ... we got sidetracked...read the above...

are you talking about goldman sachs? their new headquarter will not be in the freedom tower, but a tower across the street (see last picture)

no he was talking about the goldman sachs building

From Flickr by boxerwriter

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Are they drilling secants in front of the Winter Garden again? I thought they had finished that a long time ago.

no he was talking about the goldman sachs building

uh great, but

can anyone tell me which tenants will move to the freedom tower, please ...

uh great, but

can anyone tell me which tenants will move to the freedom tower, please ...



The State of New York has agreed to a 15 year lease of 415,000 square feet (38,550 square meter) of space in the Freedom Tower, with an option to extend the term of the lease and occupy up to 1,000,000 square feet (92,900 square meter).[16] The General Services Administration (GSA) has agreed to lease approximately 645,000 square feet (59,900 square meters) of space,[16][11] New York State's Office of General Services (OGS) plans to lease aproximately 412,000 square feet (38,275 square meters) of space and the China Center expects to lease approximately 190,000 square feet (17,650 square meters) in the tower[11]. In April 2008, the Port Authority announced that it was seeking a bidder to operate an 18,000 square foot observation deck on the tower's 102nd floor.[17]

^^thanks.

sounds a bit like subsidies to me. I guess most private companies were scared of taking space there. I would be scared to work there - the ft will be a prime target for a new terrorist attack. I just hope we don't have to go through this in the foreseeable future. I guess this is going to be the most protected building in town.

Well, there were a lot of government agencies in the first WTC too.

Looks like they are pouring concrete into the south core.

guys, cut the shit. no more talk about 9-11 or terrorism.
this thread is about wtc construction.

id love to see the day that this thing gets past street level...ill be dead before that happens :(

Well it appears that they are pouring the concrete in the South Core today. There are pumps and concrete trucks working. This time next week the South Core will rise again. I wonder why they stopped working on the North Core! anybody know?
Lance

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http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3010/2784319086_32e230e972_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3018/2783463671_47f7f48e05_o.jpg

In photo number two there's a curious looking building with what looks like a giant speaker on top. May i ask what that building is?
Is it used so new yorkers can shout abuse and taunt people living on the other side of the river??? :nuts:
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n269/Dungler/2784319086_32e230e972_o1.jpg

Well it appears that they are pouring the concrete in the South Core today. There are pumps and concrete trucks working. This time next week the South Core will rise again. I wonder why they stopped working on the North Core! anybody know?
Lance

I actually looks like it might not even be a pour in south core, it looks like they're pouring the floor between the core and the west outer wall. But can't tell exactly but hopefully we'll see north core move in a year time.

^^ because in February they found that concrete was too bad in the north core and they removed it. Look at this story some page before.
^^ This building is the winter garden from WFC, nice site !

^^ and now they've replaced the bad and bubbly concrete on the north core, so we expect it to rise again...

OH you don't like how long there taking. Why don't you go down there and show those guys how it's done without half assing the work. This building could get done alot fast if, the people who bitch about it progress. Got jobs down there and help out. I say if your not doing anything to help, then you can't complain.
Do I speak Chinese?
I only say I'd like to see the progress going faster, but because its a complex structure (or other reasons that I don't know of) I fully understand why it's going slower than "normal".
I just want to see it rising, cause I like the building. I don't demand the construction workers to work harder!
And I am not going to help, I think the construction would go anything BUT faster then, clumsy as I am:lol:

But enough said, back to FT!

In photo number two there's a curious looking building with what looks like a giant speaker on top. May i ask what that building is?
Is it used so new yorkers can shout abuse and taunt people living on the other side of the river??? :nuts:

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n269/Dungler/2784319086_32e230e972_o1.jpg

That's the glass roof of the plaza (forgot the name). There are fake trees inside, benches and around it are shops and there's a food court in the galleria nearby. Since you are a Brit, back in 1975 the band SLADE recorded there live, one of their greatest hits Merry Christmas Everybody.

Anyway, can they please solve any red tape and legal issues and speed up the construction. We really want to see the tower way above the huge hole.

its like a commons area for the WFC and also kind of like a small mall. the interior plants are NOT fake they're real? i dont know where you got that from.

http://i35.tinypic.com/2lupano.jpg

They are real PHIL .

^^ I've been there, even shopped and ate there. It seams I remembered wrong about the palm trees. :cheers:

^^
^^
^^
^^
^^ That's the Winter Garden at The World Financial Center (http://www.worldfinancialcenter.com/).

The Rebuilt Winter Garden, having been destroyed, obviously on September 11 2001. I think the picture above was the old one.

picture above is new, i took it. lol

They are real PHIL .

reading comprehension ftl :)

So ...

Talking about 1 WTC , did they pour another floor for the south core ?

^^It looks like it was just a floor slab that was poured. Still that's something.

Looking at the "interesting" Wintergarden (I love these German words in English language :D ) I noticed a piling rig on this side of the big highway... it's for the corridor from WTC to IFC right? Or what else could it be doing there?

When the corridor with the steel arches is finished all the strange gangways on the left will disappear and construction on this part of WTC will begin?

Don't worry, I won't complain about the speed... it's taking for ages but it's worth the waiting... ;)

it's worth the waiting... ;)
Indeed

between 12:00AM of 20th and 21st august, there's been put some silver things on the top of white arches all along it near the south wall of the site, no idea what they are.

These appear to be components for the pre-cast arches but it's still a little difficult to tell even with the hd webcam on Earthcam.

Is Freedom Tower planned to be completed before towers 2,3,4.
I couldn't see any schedule on the WTC site in regard to any official deadline.

yes, WTC 1 will be completed before the other towers

yes, WTC 1 will be completed before the other towers

I wouldn't guarantee it. The other three buildings are going to be built privately so once they get started I'm sure they will be built much quicker! FT and being built by governmental agencies and we all know how slowly they get things done!

The other three buildings are going to be built privately so once they get started I'm sure they will be built much quicker! FT and being built by governmental agencies and we all know how slowly they get things done!

Right now, the FT is rising while the others have yet to begin - so we shall see how this development unfolds. :)

yes, WTC 1 will be completed before the other towers

The other towers that are to be built are smaller, Tower II being the second biggest both in height and floor space. Even though the Freedom Tower has a head start, it is the biggest and most complex tower at the site. It is not unlikely that the Freedom Tower will be surpassed by Tower IV. We'll see.

I wouldn't be suprised if 4WTC overtook 1WTC. Although when this gets to about the
3rd floor, this will go up very fast, thank god. I can't wait for this to be climbing onto New York's skyline.

I can't wait for this to be climbing onto New York's skyline.

I believe I speak for many skyscraper enthusiasts when I say that we all share your thoughts! :okay:

The glass building called The Winter Garden is about a 6 or 7 minute walk from my Uncle's apartment. We go to free concerts there.

-- It was badly damaged on Sept. 11th, 2001, but not destroyed. Obviously a lot of glass had to be replaced.

-- the palm trees ( Washingtonia sp. ) are real, alive and growing; not fake.

Most of it was destroyed actually and the WFC suffered major structural damage. Good job it didn't collapse eh

South Core did rise one more floor between yesterday and this morning. I guess that I was right last week when I said that they poured the south core, but maybe not the day I said it.
Lance

^^ indeed, the height difference between north and south core is just constantly getting worse.

At least its a progress, now we should be able to see lot of the south core from the streets.

look from today at 11:30AM to 12:15AM but only the east half of the southern core rose, not the west half of it.

any idea why they didn't pour the other core-side for such a long time now? i really don't get it :)

it has been long time since re-pour of the bad batch of concrete has taken place, so this reason isn't the cause of no activity at the northen core. But one thing for sure is that in 4 years time when the documentary on this construction comes out we can know then.

any idea why they didn't pour the other core-side for such a long time now? i really don't get it :)

I think it overhangs the PATH tracks, but I'm not sure. Maybe they're reinforcing the lower portion?

That's the glass roof of the plaza (forgot the name). There are fake trees inside, benches and around it are shops and there's a food court in the galleria nearby. Since you are a Brit, back in 1975 the band SLADE recorded there live, one of their greatest hits Merry Christmas Everybody.

Anyway, can they please solve any red tape and legal issues and speed up the construction. We really want to see the tower way above the huge hole.


Thanx to AkltinD, Fish, Twilight, NYGirl and Philvia for teh quick informative response... cheers!
While i have you all here and seems you so helpful... can any of you give me next weeks winning lottery numbers??? :)

^^ Not sure about the lottery, just don't play 911 on 9/11. :sly:

7-39-17-20-42-11 good luck

The next level for the north core will overhang the PATH tracks, it is like a reverse setback, more like a setforward, so it will take a while before it is poured.

In other words it should not be long before it is poured again since it has been several months since the last pour.

The next level for the north core will overhang the PATH tracks, it is like a reverse setback, more like a setforward, so it will take a while before it is poured.

Are you suggesting that the tracks will run under the core http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/mr-fish/Miscellaneous/q.gifhttp://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/mr-fish/Miscellaneous/q.gif

Are you suggesting that the tracks will run under the core http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/mr-fish/Miscellaneous/q.gifhttp://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/mr-fish/Miscellaneous/q.gif

Well that's what I thought and now someone from NYC has said the same thing so I'm going to say that yes they will run under the core. Kind of a wonky design, but I'm sure they will reinforce the hell out of it as a result.

Are you suggesting that the tracks will run under the core http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/mr-fish/Miscellaneous/q.gifhttp://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/mr-fish/Miscellaneous/q.gif

Yes.

can any of you give me next weeks winning lottery numbers??? :)


4 8 15 16 23 42 :crazy:

yep, that is it...

where is the building in that picture?

where is the building in that picture?

If you mean the freedom tower webcam on earthcam it's on the top right.

Update from SSP:

The eastern side of the south core's form structure jumped another level yesterday. Looks like it is now above street level, quite a milestone if true! Local photos would be greatly appreciated.

Here is an annimated gif I put together of yesterday's jump from the earthcam at 15 minute intervals:

http://www.custompuzzlecraft.com/temp/Freedom_Tower_jump_20080825.gif

only the east half of the south core jumped, have they poured west half of the south core as well but just not set yet?

Actually the west half of the southern core has jumped today as well from 11:15AM to 11:45AM.

finally the tower is rising

^^ good enthusiasm but everytime there's been some kinda progress of the tower going upward people said the same. Maybe at turn of the month freedom tower construction could speed up but I presume not because of how far behind northern core is and it will shock people if it does.

That was a really big jump. I don't watch the web cam. So it was pretty nice to see that.

Did anyone see this yet?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gWeOGqLW2E

Did anyone see this yet?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gWeOGqLW2E

umm okk another news network bs and your point is? :ohno:

Tower is rising indeed, but we are in the start yet...

Did anyone see this yet?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gWeOGqLW2E

^^:banana::cheers:

I wish this building had more floors, 108 above ground. Yes there are 114 if you count the basement floors, but 111 floors above ground would've been nice. Also, I WISH THIS WOULD HURRY UP.

This is just too funny :lol:

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This is just too funny :lol:

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Omg, that's one of the most sarcastic video's i've ever seen :ohno:

This is just too funny :lol:



:lol: :lol: :lol:

this video is hilarious

Omg, that's one of the most sarcastic video's i've ever seen :ohno:

:lol: :lol: :lol:

this video is hilarious

"people in wheelchairs who cannot move"

HAHAHAA to the video

its the onion, if u never saw them before go to theonion.com and bring joy to your overly serious lives.

"people in wheelchairs who cannot move"

HAHAHAA to the video
the best for me is "need more colors" (then the clown type cladding drawing) :lol:

^^:banana::cheers:
Yes, i saw that :)

This is just too funny :lol:
The video is just plain SICK and anyone who thinks it's funny is even sicker!

I must say that video was in really bad taste, even for an non-US citizen...

So basically; everyone got so freaking bored of this project due to many years delay .. making all of you go find another way to proceed the topic and post it full with shit like this? Come on. Just try to get yourself some more patience, don't watch those bull* video's. They're nonsense, in 5-7 years you'll laugh about it when the towers are finally finished. The view from the observation deck will be mindblowing.:cheers:

The video is just plain SICK and anyone who thinks it's funny is even sicker!

I must say thats one of the more funny videos that i have ever watched, and any one who takes it that serious needs to calm them selfs.

I don't like the design of this tower

^^ I guess they won't build it then.

^^ I guess they won't build it then.

Awww, now you've done it!

They're packing up and leaving.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/mr-fish/Miscellaneous/Shocked.gif

Oh sorry. I forget that forums are not designed to express opinions.

They should be. I personally think the design could have been improved a little, but overall it does the city justice. If I was the designer though, they would have looked a little more reminiscent of the original towers.

Oh sorry. I forget that forums are not designed to express opinions.

Hey, we were just having some fun with you! ;)

Welcome to the community! :cheers2:

This is just too funny :lol:


Gotta love The Onion.

That video represents what the majority of skyscraper fans said when we first saw the FT... "What the hell is this...?"

Now the core is not even complete... LOL. Finally the major press is starting to wake up and care at this debacle.

do any of you think it will be targeted ? like seriously

I must say thats one of the more funny videos that i have ever watched, and any one who takes it that serious needs to calm them selfs.

If someone who watched that video had lost someone close to them in 9/11 they wouldn't probably think it's so funny. Nor would any one whose life has been affected by the events since then. Thinking something that hurt others so greatly is funny definitely makes a person sick.

do any of you think it will be targeted ? like seriously

actually i don't think it will be targeted, terrorists know how heavily guarded it will be, and they know how hard it will be to destroy this building, they will settle for an easier target

If someone who watched that video had lost someone close to them in 9/11 they wouldn't probably think it's so funny. Nor would any one whose life has been affected by the events since then. Thinking something that hurt others so greatly is funny definitely makes a person sick.

Maybe we shouldn't talk about the building at all since someone out there might find the very idea of building it offensive.

If we hold ourselves hostages to the emotionally fragile we won't have much at all to talk about.

do any of you think it will be targeted ? like seriously
NORAD, the FBI and the CIA won't fail THAT badly a second time. Towers in the United States should be safe from such attacks in the future. Either that or all commanders of NORAD will experience the equivalent of being "sent to the Russian front" in Hogan's Heroes. I wouldn't worry about it if or when you plan to visit the tower when it's finished.

I dont think barack is gonna be evil as george bush, other than that FT is in safe hands.

7-39-17-20-42-11 good luck

I put yours and Pablo's numbers on last nights lottery, (UK).
Didnt get a single number on either ticket :(

Back to teh drawing board i guess :)

New 2 photos taken on Sunday:

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r48/Athinaios/StatuaWolnociiDolnyManhattan036.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r48/Athinaios/StatuaWolnociiDolnyManhattan035.jpg

The structure is about 2 meters above the street level from....4 months? :/

^^Actually now its more like 6 meters above since they raised the formwork on tuesday.

But thanks for the pictures

I cant wait till the base is done, after that this project is gonna start to fly.

Jesus if the concrete core rises this slow throughout the construction, this won't be complete for 30 years.

Well it hasnt been thaatt slow they ran into some bumps in the road but it seems to be moving along pretty nicely now.
This is a picture from about a year ago big difference from the one Athinaios posted a couple posts up.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b4/Freedom_Tower_August_7th_2007.jpg

Are you suggesting that the tracks will run under the core http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/mr-fish/Miscellaneous/q.gifhttp://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/mr-fish/Miscellaneous/q.gif

Well that's what I thought and now someone from NYC has said the same thing so I'm going to say that yes they will run under the core. Kind of a wonky design, but I'm sure they will reinforce the hell out of it as a result.

That's not new. Look at the following pic:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3101/2806549705_64039994d3_o.jpg

It's the old PATH tube runing directly through the South Tower.

Didn't know that. Thanks for the picture.

That's not new. Look at the following pic:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3101/2806549705_64039994d3_o.jpg

It's the old PATH tube runing directly through the South Tower.

That is one great find.

And thank you Athinaios and DFrench for actual photos.