Didn't know that.

Yeh, same here!

It's pretty interesting how both the original and the new both have the subway run through the core.

New York is truly the vertical city.

Who cares if it is slow - the main thing is that it is HAPPENING!

Who cares if it is slow - the main thing is that it is HAPPENING!

Seriously, I agree 100% with you on that!

By 2012, we shall have a new skyline to be proud of!
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Seriously, I agree 100% with you on that!

By 2012, we shall have a new skyline to be proud of!
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EXACTLY

Who cares if it is slow - the main thing is that it is HAPPENING!

Agreed. I am just glad it's happening at all.

They should be. I personally think the design could have been improved a little, but overall it does the city justice. If I was the designer though, they would have looked a little more reminiscent of the original towers.
I agree the tower looks too simple

RC cores are always slow to come together for the first few levels but usually, after they hit about the 8-10th floor, they start going up real quick as the slip form becomes standardized and the crew works out the most efficient means of placing rebar. The sub level core for this building is unusually complicated so it's not surprising that it takes awhile. I am getting concerned over the north core since they certainly must have removed all the bad concrete by now.......the only thing I can figure is that the crew have been working on other things or perhaps there is some other structure, reinforcement of the local slurry wall perhaps, that needs to be completed before they can advance the north core.

Awesome stuff. :cheers:The tower was meant to be iconic and simple.. i mean.. how intricate were the old towers, really?

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thanks to a bunch of trolls, thread number 5 was beyond repair.

this thread is about the freedom tower and the freedom tower only. if you don't have anything constructive to add about this project, don't bother posting.

*if you have an uncontrollable urge to talk about dubai and/or beat your chest about it, do it in the countless dubai love-fest threads out there. not here. remember...this is new york. not dubai...

*if you think this tower sucks and prefer the original world trade center instead, this thread isn't for you.

consider this a warning in advance...

One thing that can't be stressed enough is the interconnected nature of this site and the fact that there has been haphazard coordination up to now. For example there are parts of the memorial that can't be completed until the PATH hub is completed and the PATH hub can't be completed until certain parts of the Freedom Tower are complete but there are other parts of the Freedom Tower that have to wait on yet other parts of the PATH hub before they can advance but those parts are waiting on the West Street renovation which is itself being hampered by the construction of the memorial and PATH hub. Add to this that everyone is making up their own schedules without checking with the others and you are naturally going to end up with things taking awhile.

Looks like it's gonna be a slow day at work... So enjoy some screenshots I took from Earthcam today :)

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This baby is definitely rising!!!

this thread is about the freedom tower and the freedom tower only. if you don't have anything constructive to add about this project, don't bother posting.

*if you think this tower sucks and prefer the original world trade center instead, this thread isn't for you.

consider this a warning in advance...
Warning of what? I agree this thread is about the freedom tower. The design of it is certainly a large portion of potential discussion since this is not only a construction thread. Those of us who also appreciate architectural aspects of the building would be extremely bored with just discussions that entailed "they poured 100 cubic yards of concrete on the south core". In case you haven't noticed this is an open discussion forum not restricted to any one aspect of a building.

Didn't know that. Thanks for the picture.

That is one great find.

And thank you Athinaios and DFrench for actual photos.

Yeh, same here!

It's pretty interesting how both the original and the new both have the subway run through the core.

New York is truly the vertical city.

Actually, there were many PATH lines right below the South Tower: ;)


Sub Basement Level 5:

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Sub Basement Level 3:

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Is the Memorial Cross (those steel beams with the flag attached) still on the site? If it's still there, I don't know where to look for it in the photos.

Is the Memorial Cross (those steel beams with the flag attached) still on the site? If it's still there, I don't know where to look for it in the photos.

I'm confused about where some things myself but I think that cross is offsite for now. Thank getting cluttered in past few weeks there. :lol:

Looks like it's gonna be a slow day at work... So enjoy some screenshots I took from Earthcam today :)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3204/2807870421_869bb47214_o.jpg

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This baby is definitely rising!!!
Nice pics, thanks :cheers:

Good updates.

2 Questions:

1. What are they doing against the Wall on the memorial Site?
2. When is the next crane likely to be erected?

thanx for the photos, good timing cos I think the HD cam is down again.

2:30 pm now in NYC and as usual its back to the past: southern core formwork descended back down temporarily.

Good updates.

2 Questions:

1. What are they doing against the Wall on the memorial Site?

They are reinforcing the slurry wall with a new inner liner. It's about two feet thick of reinforced concrete. They are leaving one section bare for the memorial and it has been reinforced with a new slurry wall on the other side.

2. When is the next crane likely to be erected?

Supposedly two new kangaroo type tower cranes will be erected for the memorial before September 19th and two more tower cranes will be added to the Freedom Tower after the whole building gets past the ground level. I would guess we'll see the first tower crane for Tower 4 sometime in the next three months.

Looks like earthcam has gone down again. That's like the third time this summer. I sure hope they get it running quicker than last time when it was down for two weeks.

Of course several years ago it took pictures of the gravel on the roof for several months.


ETA it seems to be working again already yay!

There must be a reason for why the cam goes down so frequently. Otherwise they should invest in some better technology...

^^ Could be many things. But consider that this camera is on the roof of a 500 foot building 365 days a year 24 7 and among other things is on all the time while exposed to the weather that can range from 30F to 95F during a whole day, it would not be surprising if it does break down from time to time.


Not to mention the computer its attached to may malfunction or it may be hit by strong winds etc etc.

Thanks for the update!!

I still think it is going painfully slow, but happy that it is progressing at all.

I think they were lengthening the big red Manitowoc crane today.

Thanks for the update!!

I still think it is going painfully slow, but happy that it is progressing at all.

This building should be topping out by now. This is what happens when politics, people complaing about the design and Silverstein not wanting to build it (PA toke over) for years on end. The structural steal should be finishing the top floors by now.

the progress seems to be coming along nicely.........:okay:

This building should be topping out by now. This is what happens when politics, people complaing about the design and Silverstein not wanting to build it (PA toke over) for years on end. The structural steal should be finishing the top floors by now.


What the hell are you talking about? They just started this thing two years ago. And the first design was ugly and let not forget it took almost two years to clean the site up:bash:

I think they were lengthening the big red Manitowoc crane today.

yup they did :banana:

What the hell are you talking about? They just started this thing two years ago. And the first design was ugly and let not forget it took almost two years to clean the site up:bash:

What the hell are u talking about...? The cornerstone was laid down in July 2004 by the crony Gov Pataki, that's when construction started. Then more political bullcrap with the saftey of the base from the City.. etc etc etc... Blah blah blah. On we go.

What the hell are u talking about...? The cornerstone was laid down in July 2004 by the crony Gov Pataki, that's when construction started. Then more political bullcrap with the saftey of the base from the City.. etc etc etc... Blah blah blah. On we go.

Look they started construction in april 2006, I was in NYC all summer in 2004 and I spent alot of time at the WTC. There was no way they were doing anything, they didn't even have it cleared out. Lets just say it was nothing nice. And anyway it still wouldn't be finish by your timeline.

It started in 2004, political bullcrap haulted construction.
That's why people complain only in this thread about it taking so long... because it is.

Look I'm done talking about this with you. You don't know what your talking about.
Let same else talk with you about this.

Fact 2004, Fact that's slow, Fact u r ignorant.

Fact 2004, Fact that's slow, Fact u r ignorant.

fact you are acting like a douchebag :ohno: Why do you come here, just to bitch?

Fact 2004, Fact that's slow, Fact u r ignorant.

I'm sorry but you wrong

""The symbolic cornerstone of Freedom Tower was laid down in a ceremony on July 4, 2004[18] and further construction of the tower was stalled until 2006. The cornerstone was temporarily removed from the site on June 23, 2006.[19] The project had been delayed due to acrimonious disputes over money, security and design but the last major issues were resolved on April 26, 2006 with a deal between developer Larry Silverstein and the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey.""

I come in here to tell people like you what every other person has been saying and posting. It's slow, I think we want people with a false sence hope to come to terms with the truth.

^^^^I hope they band you for life. I don't have time for you B.S. Go play in the street or something

""The symbolic cornerstone of Freedom Tower was laid down in a ceremony on July 4, 2004[18] and further construction of the tower was stalled until 2006. The cornerstone was temporarily removed from the site on June 23, 2006.[19] The project had been delayed due to acrimonious disputes over money, security and design but the last major issues were resolved on April 26, 2006 with a deal between developer Larry Silverstein and the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey.""

I come in here to tell people like you what every other person has been saying and posting. It's slow, I think we want people with a false sence hope to come to terms with the truth.
Yes we already know............


There's no need for a different person every single page to give us a lecture about it.

Nice pics, thanks :cheers:

One really needs to take another look at this forum and its restrictions, because there is most definitely something wrong if it continue to allow people to quote multiple large images just to say "Nice pics, thanks" which eats up bandwidth and forces us to scroll as if we're running the Olympic 100 meter...sigh.

Slinky, I'd advise you to calm down.

SlinkyNY Please stop spamming

I want a new 500+ massive Art-Deco styled skyscraper in New York City, something like a ESB but bigger. I'm not sure if the new scrapers that consist of a glass exterior is appealing to ppl. (I'm talking about buildings like Freedom Tower and OBP (BOA)).

Yeah, Art-Deco would be nice :)

Yeah, Art-Deco would be nice :)

Not in Lower Manhattan! :ohno:

They have art deco all over lower Manhattan. Two of which are the 5th and 6th tallest buildings in the city.

If you want a new and huge art deco skyscraper the best you'll ever get might be the Metropolitan Life North Building. Hopefully someone will finish it.

Glassy buildings are just what is in style these days. Think back to the original WTC. Personally I loved it but a lot of people thought the pinstriped windows were a dumb idea.

Is it me or is the progress on this building really slow??

:?

""The symbolic cornerstone of Freedom Tower was laid down in a ceremony on July 4, 2004...

Did you catch the second word there, "symbolic?" That's not an actual start to construction any more than President Bush standing in front of the "Mission Accomplished" banner was an end to the Iraq war. Sometimes politicians have big ceremonies to make a political point even when reality is far different from their symbolic gesture. In this case, the cornerstone ceremony tells us nothing about when construction actually started.

I want a new 500+ massive Art-Deco styled skyscraper in New York City, something like a ESB but bigger. I'm not sure if the new scrapers that consist of a glass exterior is appealing to ppl. (I'm talking about buildings like Freedom Tower and OBP (BOA)).

Sadly, to do an Art Deco building that size these days, and to do it right, would probably be cost-prohibitive. The costs for materials and craftsmen have just changed. Just as well, we can do other things now that were impossible in the 20's, and this gives us new buildings from our own time while giving us a perspective to appreciate the Deco masterpieces even more.

""The symbolic cornerstone of Freedom Tower was laid down in a ceremony on July 4, 2004[18] and further construction of the tower was stalled until 2006. The cornerstone was temporarily removed from the site on June 23, 2006.[19] The project had been delayed due to acrimonious disputes over money, security and design but the last major issues were resolved on April 26, 2006 with a deal between developer Larry Silverstein and the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey.""

I come in here to tell people like you what every other person has been saying and posting. It's slow, I think we want people with a false sence hope to come to terms with the truth.


Slinky was right all along. Politics, Bureaucracy, money, etc. slowed everything down. But there is nothing we can do about it. Everyone knows we are trying to put up the best memory that will fit for the 9/11 tragedy and many argued that we are not putting the right. Even Donald Trump was involved with the conflict. We need to move on. Remember that it took 50 years before a memorial for World War II was made here in DC. I don't like the memorial. It doesn't mean I hate it but at least we got one. Do you want to wait for another 50 years for a 9/11 memorial?

Let's get back to the topic, shall we?

Yes lets. I doubt theres much progress to talk about tbh

Is it me or is the progress on this building really slow??

:?

It's just you, the progress is just way too fast for me to see what has changed day by day.

Is it me or is the progress on this building really slow??

:?


Its you......only been 7 years since 9/11 look then and look where they are now.....

I vote for this thread to be closed forever. I'm getting sick and f****** tired is this "slow" comment page after page, enough of this shit already. I'm disgusted of how some assholes acting here, and mods seems to me doesn't care. Maybe after this thread is closed people will think twice before posting stupid comments. :bash::bash::bash::bash::bash:

^^ Looks like somebody needs a chill pill; way to overreact. And uh, yes, progress is slow, it's true, no need to hide the truth.

I vote for this thread to be closed forever.

If you don't enjoy reading other people's comments, then no one is forcing you to read this. :ohno:

Oh and for the record, this is my favorite thread! :okay:

If you don't enjoy reading other people's comments, then no one is forcing you to read this. :ohno:

Oh and for the record, this is my favorite thread! :okay:

umm I never said I hate this thread but reading 291 pages of "slow slow slow slow" are just getting too old. This is one of my favorite project for your information. sigh.:cheers:

Looks like today was late night for workers, almost midnight before most of them left today.

I'm more bothered by how randoms just post things like it hasn't been said before.

"Is it just me or..."

If you have to phrase a post like that, you have no idea what's going on.

Is it true that FT will reach rooftop level by the end of 2010? which is like 2.25 years from now, and that it will open around 11/09/11 at 10th aniversary of the attacks. (only according to wiki) but if anyone can correct this please do, cos I wanna know for sure.

Is it true that FT will reach rooftop level by the end of 2010? which is like 2.25 years from now, and that it will open around 11/09/11 at 10th aniversary of the attacks. (only according to wiki) but if anyone can correct this please do, cos I wanna know for sure.

You can NEVER be sure when a building will top out. It can always have delays or problems.

Why is it taking SOOO long?:gaah:

Sorry, I had to say it.

i also hate this senseless posts all over skyscrapercity. some poeple have never wrote anything esle than " I love this tower" "nice design" and so on. i rather read off topic posts than such irrelevant things.

I just cant wait to see it done. good lookin tower :cheers:

It's not so much the tower but looking at the Earthcam you can see that today some steel has been erected in the memorial site against the wall on side of the tower.

edit: just seen the other thread.

Any progress... ?

^^ one very noticeable progress is the amount of steel rebar at the east side of the construction site, its going very green at the moment, and concrete will be poured there soon.

That sound like good news. Now we can get back to the business of talking about the progress at had. Whats after the concrete pour?

^^ installing forms & rebar for the next floor. Don't expect anything big the coming months. Although the south core is above street level the regular floors are only half way.

This building is not slow.
the original WTC took 7 years to build, and the SWFC took 10 years.
Also ground breaking for Freedom tower was in April 2006, a little over two years ago.

^^This is true so it could be worse as slow as it has gone.

Damn, why the hell they are f***ing slow? They 're wasting time on the base for 2 years!

They are finally actually making progress on the below grade portion.

- A

This is interesting. I was talking to a guy who says that engineers who design hardened bunkers for the military were employed in designing the basement and foundation levels of the Freedom Tower. Additionally the rebar being used is specially made and is much heavier than usual requiring 3-4 guys to move the smaller pieces and that each floor slab contains thousands of these heavy and hard to move pieces of rebar.

If true it sure explains why things are taking so long.

^^ This tower is going to be built as the world's strongest tower (I just wish the architecture looked much better for such an honor).

^^ This tower is going to be built as the world's strongest tower (I just wish the architecture looked much better for such an honor).

well its not bad either :cheers:

well its not bad either :cheers:

I joined this site just months after leaving the group led by Louis Epstein.

His group was against the new WTC known as the Freedom Tower.

In his group, he called it "The Fraud 'em Tower".

You can visit his site if you wish by clicking here (http://main.put.com/wtc/).

We used to be friends - but many of us felt it was time to move on and welcome change for New York City.
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anyway tomorrow it's going to be a real problem in nyc bc of winds and alot of rain, probably work will be halted for tomorrow.

tropical storm watch is in affect, i hope site wont get flooded too much. (4-7 inches of rain in the region)

^^ Tomorrow it's Saturday so tropical storm Hanna won't cause much delay. Dunno how much rain is predicted for NY but both bathtubs could become real bathtubs for once :lol:
Let's hope all the water is pumped out by Monday.

when will this building be at ground level?, are there any estimates can someone please tell me if they know

^^It looks like some steel and the concrete core are already at street level or just a tiny bit above, but for the floor plates, who knows when.

^^It looks like some steel and the concrete core are already at street level or just a tiny bit above, but for the floor plates, who knows when.

i have been there the steel and core are above ground level, i am talking about when will they be making the entrance and stuff?

Oh, well then I don't know, but it will hopefully be soon so I can go visit it and New York in a few years.

Oh, well then I don't know, but it will hopefully be soon so I can go visit it and New York in a few years.

i live in NYC only 8 hours away so i visit relatively often about once a year, and i went there when there was one steel beam in the ground in 2006, to just august, where the steel core was at ground level, the progress is amazing

You live in the city, but are 8 hours away??? That is a real thinker. I don't know if that is what you meant to say, but sometimes the broken english on this site really disturbs me. I want to see what you guys have to say, but I don't like having to decode your posts. Please try and proofread your posts to make sure they make sense.

haha whoops typo, i meant i live near NYC, sorry i live in fayetteville NC, not exactly near actually 600 miles away lol

You live in the city, but are 8 hours away??? That is a real thinker. I don't know if that is what you meant to say, but sometimes the broken english on this site really disturbs me. I want to see what you guys have to say, but I don't like having to decode your posts. Please try and proofread your posts to make sure they make sense.

by the way i am actually someone who hates grammatical errors too, especially online, but i was in a rush when i wrote that sorry, i am usually the one making corrections not receiving them

No problem, backupcoolmen. I wasn't trying to single you out. I felt the need to post because I had seen a lot of unclear posts in recent days.

well... so at least the tower won't stopped his construccion

^^ Tomorrow it's Saturday so tropical storm Hanna won't cause much delay. Dunno how much rain is predicted for NY but both bathtubs could become real bathtubs for once :lol:
Let's hope all the water is pumped out by Monday.

if you look in past few Saturdays, they did work at full force.

Marvelous! Long live freedom and it's tower!

by the way i am actually someone who hates grammatical errors too, especially online, but i was in a rush when i wrote that sorry, i am usually the one making corrections not receiving them

Hey, it's okay -- we all make mistakes!
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Update: September 2nd, 2008
Copyright: Port Authority of New York and New Jersey - http://www.panynj.gov/wtc/drp/gallery/progress.html

These are actually pictures of the erection of the first steel for the 911 memorial next to WTC1.

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2 http://i38.tinypic.com/4tak5c.jpg
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4 http://i34.tinypic.com/2eyz9fp.jpg
5 http://i34.tinypic.com/162aept.jpg
6 http://i35.tinypic.com/15833n5.jpg
7 http://i33.tinypic.com/flex5v.jpg
8 http://i33.tinypic.com/13z0qgy.jpg
9 http://i38.tinypic.com/2eelf7n.jpg
10 http://i34.tinypic.com/2j4d0mf.jpg

^^ That's not the Freedom Tower, that's the Memorial Park.

Thats what he just said, ''Pieces of steel for the memorial next to WTC1''

^^ That's not the Freedom Tower, that's the Memorial Park.

Thats what he just said, ''Pieces of steel for the memorial next to WTC1''
I think what fish was trying to say was: "Since is not part of Freedom Tower (1WTC) then why are pictures of it posted here?" :ohno:

Everyone gets bashed for posting off topic information here and the memorial is off topic for this thread. :bash:

looks like there's intense rebaring going on at the east side of the site, probaly putting finishng touches to it, should expect concrete pour soon.

From my perspective it looks like they'll have to jump the tower cranes before they can jump the slipforms for the south core again.

I am pleased that we are finally starting to see some tangible progress being done at the supersite. :okay:

I am pleased that we are finally starting to see some tangible progress being done at the supersite. :okay:

agreed

I think what fish was trying to say was: "Since is not part of Freedom Tower (1WTC) then why are pictures of it posted here?" :ohno:

Everyone gets bashed for posting off topic information here and the memorial is off topic for this thread. :bash:

There's no need to be rude. I can't believe you just implied that the memorial is irrelevant to this thread. The Freedom Tower is not just another skyscraper. The entire globe knows the historical significance of the WTC site!

I posted these pictures, because they're the latest ones from the Port Authority. Good picture updates of this project -and as a matter of fact the entire WTC site- are extremely hard to find!

^^^^ People get there heads biting off. For talking about the Freedom Tower in the Tower 2,3 and 4 thread. So I guest talking about anything, outside of this building is a no no.

^^^^ People get there heads biting off. For talking about the Freedom Tower in the Tower 2,3 and 4 thread. So I guest talking about anything, outside of this building is a no no.

Yeah, I know, thanks. If there is such a great need for strict separation, why not start a thread for each tower to be erected and another one for general discussions about the site? Problem solved. On the other hand, I don't see why that's necessary. Things haven't progressed as much as we all hoped, and 99 percent of those scanning the Freedom Tower thread are without a doubt scanning the WTC2-4 thread anyway.

Hi, foto taken while i was riding my bike.....something is defenately peeking out of the hole!!!! :)

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^^ That's an interesting perspective.
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Good picture. When is the next crane going to be erected?

Now it clearly rises above street level. The stage i was wishing to see.

Here comes an update from flickr by steven_donna54 and Mike Roberts NYC! :cheers2:

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Nice progress!
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Wonderful update - thank you!!

Great update Carlos and welcome back to the community :banana:

Densetsu, thanks for reposting those great pictures :cheers:
You can clearly see the south core is well above street level and the roof of the east-west corridor is at streetlevel.

Hi, foto taken while i was riding my bike.....something is defenately peeking out of the hole!!!! :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2008/Picture115.jpg
Very nice pic and very interesting...
btw: the updates ^^^^ are very nice. Thanks

Wow great updates. Thanks. Sorry to be off topic, just a quicky, why isn't the Deutsche Bank Building being demolished again? They said it will be gone by the end of the year, but they are hardly going to get rid of 26 stories and basements in 3 months. Another promise broken. Can someone fill me in?

Wow great updates. Thanks. Sorry to be off topic, just a quicky, why isn't the Deutsche Bank Building being demolished again?

Well, there was a fire a few months back, so the delay followed.

Currently, deconstruction should be taking place.

Well, there was a fire a few months back, so the delay followed.

Currently, deconstruction should be taking place.

It was in August last year

It was in August last year

Sorry, but I haven't been following the deconstruction.

But thanks for the update.
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Sorry, but I haven't been following the deconstruction.

But thanks for the update.
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they suppose to start sometimes this fall, that what I heard at least :cheers:

is the bridge spanning the road near the tower site a temporary thing? its awful ugly!

the floor around the core looks so complicated, every inch of the floor is of different materials and colours and ...

i hate this "its so complicated to build" s*** it´s not more complicated than any other supertall which is uc now......it has a concrete core and will ahve a steel framework around it.....like so many other towers around the world....why do so may overrate the complexity of this construction?

Buildmilehightower it's not very difficult actually. The floor is completely made out of reinforced concrete. The only difference in the floor is whether the rebar is coated (green) or not. The sections with green rebar will be loading decks for trucks. The sections with standard dark brown rebar will house rooms for MEP, storage and other 'indoor' stuff. The light brown sections are sections with only forms for the to be build floor sections. :)

sam happy you, the bridge is temporary and will be demolished when the 9W underpass is finished.

Where does parking go for this? any?

please stop messing around with the velocity of this project, in the last few weeks there was much progress everywhere over the site..

One question:
Have they stopped working on sundays? Looks like that on the webcam. Does anybody know which times they are working at the moment.
And another question I had for a long time: the big part of the station in the western bathtub, will this be kept as it is and they will just add some steel above it to support the trees etc. that will be planted above it or is it kind of temporary and will be changed during the construction phase?

Thanks for answers!

Buildmilehightower it's not very difficult actually. The floor is completely made out of reinforced concrete. The only difference in the floor is whether the rebar is coated (green) or not. The sections with green rebar will be loading decks for trucks. The sections with standard dark brown rebar will house rooms for MEP, storage and other 'indoor' stuff. The light brown sections are sections with only forms for the to be build floor sections. :)

sam happy you, the bridge is temporary and will be demolished when the 9W underpass is finished.

They plan on keeping the original one further down the road, correct? It's neat to see a remnant of the original complex.

when will the floors reach ground height?

please stop messing around with the velocity of this project, in the last few weeks there was much progress everywhere over the site

i know oli.....especially the last pic shows how much progress they did on FT that it is now also visible from street level and they even began construction on the memorial...

i hate this "its so complicated to build" s*** it´s not more complicated than any other supertall which is uc now......it has a concrete core and will ahve a steel framework around it.....like so many other towers around the world....why do so may overrate the complexity of this construction?

No. Because it is being built in the same complex of other 3 supertalls. It is being built over a pre-existing subway line (the only supertall u/c now in the world with this characteristic), something that doesn't help construction (traffic hasn't been interrupted and the structure of the tower needs to be integrated with this pre-existing structure, that was built years ago with different building techniques creating a difficult compatibility system with the structure of the FT). Plus we can ad the construction of the underground/overground construction of the WTC Memorial that is integrated with the construction and system of the FT (that is, water system, power line, electric generators, security systems and other variables). To that we can add the PATH system and the subway station. Furthermore, no other supertall outside of new york has EVER been built over a stone as hard as the one that forms the lower area of manhattan island, one of the hardest rock layer in the world, the hardest a city has ever been built on. To these things, we can add the construction and system integration with the Hydrogen Power Supplier that will be unique in it's complexity and extension (on of the fiew of this size ever build in a city, the only one in the world integrated in a complex system as the WTC).
To all of this, we can add various incidents that have occurred, from the bad concrete of the core that had to be taken away and replenished, to the obvious bureaucratic involvements, since we are talking of the construction of one of the biggest complexes in the world in the center of a financial capital as manhattan, after an attack where 3000 (approximation) people were killed and enormous property was lost: from the insurance companies, to Silverstein, to every other company that had property in the wtc and lost it during the attack, to the family of the victims and the government.

Now, you can give me an explanation of what YOU affirmed before, and together with PROOF (everything I sayd can be found anywhere on the internet), we might consider what you said. Because as of now, your opinion has no weight at all.

@ romanamerican!

Fisrt of all the other two supertalls plus WTC4 have their own foundations their own so called "bath tube" and so on.....so they are seperated from FT´s site.......and will be build by Silverstein and not the PA!

Do you think the electricity power and water stuff was less complicated on a project like the Palm Jumeirah in Dubai or other construstions worldwide with a much bigger scale?

Have you ever heard somwething about Boston´s "big dig" project? They had to deal with more than three subway lines!

But the thing with building over a subway line is tricky in this point i totally agree with you.

The memorial seems to be separated from the FT through the big wall we can see on every picture....so this two constructions are also separated from each other....

The subway station will be linked to the FT but it isn´t under construction yet......so this can´t have an impact on FT´s construction

To the hardest stone thing the workers from Goldman Sachs HQ have also managed to work with this hard stone, plus at the FT site they even didn’t need to dig the stone out for the foundation they just removed the debris from the former WTC 6 building, and the hole was there, and every other project has also to deal with this stone layer not only the FT!

The bad concrete has nothing to do with the complexity it just shows how they care about what they are doing there and how they execute their work.

The bureaucratic involvements is the thing why this construction has slows down so much every one wants to have his portion of the cake to many people are involved in this project, Silverstein alone would execute it much faster and every months they nee more increase the costs of this project.

There are much bigger complexes under constructions right now look at Dubai´s Burj Duabi complex 500 acres big…..

The lost people are a big issue but what should the owners of those 16 acres do? Let the victims families do what they want with this site, imo the families were too much involved into this project…….i mean if I had lost someone there I wouldn’t care about what they build there even if they only plant trees there my family member has gone…no memorial can bring the deaths back……I mean this isn´t a grave…..

Fisrt of all the other two supertalls plus WTC4 have their own foundations their own so called "bath tube" and so on.....so they are seperated from FT´s site.......and will be build by Silverstein and not the PA!
That is not what I was aiming to: the fact that is being built with other 3 supertalls has implications that go far from bureaucracy. Every construction has a vital area that is needed to operate: from the storage of material to the temporary offices to the area dedicated to trucks, workers and organization. The wtc site is a "whole" in the sense that every skyscraper needs to organize this vital space with the others, in the middle of manhattan (the environment in which your working area is, is extremely important: working in the middle of a 13 million people usage area (manhattan) is different from working in the middle of the desert (dubai). The logistics for the coordination will be far more complicated, any time of the day.

Do you think the electricity power and water stuff was less complicated on a project like the Palm Jumeirah in Dubai or other construstions worldwide with a much bigger scale?
Yes. the area where Palm Jumeirah in Dubai is being built is empty. That is, under the earth (the earth under the sea or the one created for the project) is "empty" in the sense that there is no human artifact. It is virgin. New York city has finished that space. Literally. There is absolutely no space left. With the density of the skyscrapers (with the foundations of New York skyscrapers going to (and in ) the bedrock. The space left between the foundations has been totally occupied by the subway lines, sewer lines, steam tunnels and every other underground service system (a part from few areas, like where line 7 is being built). This is a problem that had to be looked into also with the project of the new subway, where engineers had to (and still are ) think about a tunnel system that would go directly in the rock, under the foundations of the skyscrapers, at least more than 100 feet under the surface.
Building the FT is different from building the Twin Towers. The systems used are going to be different (different technology) and the system they are building has to be integrated with the city system that is in the situation I described above. Therefore, it is extremely different and far more complicated to build than any other part in the world. (New York city is the only city in the world that has finished its vital underground space).
So to answer to your question: yes, it is more difficult. Just ask the PA for explanations, there should be happy to answer you (if you can go directly to the offices in New York it would be better).

The thing with the subway line is tricky in this point i totally agree with you. and only this is a reason for "more time".

The memorial seems to be separated from the FT through the big wall we can see on every picture....so this two constructions are also separated from each other.... A wall does not separate two constructions. the WTC site is one construction site, and will have all the complications I described above.

The subway station will be linked to the FT but it isn´t under construction yet...... The connection to the HUB has already started construction. The archway pictures should be available in the past 10 -20 pages of this thread.

To the hardest stone thing the workers from Goldman Sachs HQ have also managed to work with this hard stone, plus at the FT site they even didn’t need to dig the stone out for the foundation they just removed the debris from the former WTC 6 building, and the hole was there, and every other project has also to deal with this stone layer not only the FT!
I thought some things were obvious, but apparently they weren't. sorry.
Apart from the fact that the foundations of GS took an extremely long time to build, the foundations for FT are obviously different. So were the TT foundations. The FT is deeper into the bedrock, therefore, no, it wasn't enough to just "clean up". They had to use dynamite to dig deeper, so it wasn't as simple as you described it. far from it.

The bad concrete has nothing to do with the complexity it just shows how they care about what they are doing there and how they execute their work.[/QUTE]
True. I started to put also the causes of the "quantity of time" it took to build it, since apparently it is so easy to show someone's ignorance with certain exclamations (such as" it is taking way too long...").


[QUOTE]The bureaucratic involvements is the thing why this construction has slows down so much every one wants to have his portion of the cake to many people are involved in this project, Silverstein alone would execute it much faster and every months they nee more increase the costs of this project. As I explained, it is ONE of the reasons, not the only one. And the bureaucracy of this project is also unique for obvious reasons. And it is not a reason of less importance that any other variable in the construction of a building. Simplification is a mistake that too many people do on this forum and it is too stupid to repeat it again and again.

There are much bigger complexes under constructions right now look at Dubai´s Burj Duabi complex 500 acres big…..
In fact I said "one of the biggest", not "the biggest".

The lost people are a big issue but what should the owners of those 16 acres do? Let the victims families do what they want with this site, imo the families were too much involved into this project…….i mean if I had lost someone there I wouldn’t care about what they build there even if they only plant trees there my family member has gone…no memorial can bring the deaths back……I mean this isn´t a grave…..

In your opinion? Have you lost someone you loved on 9/11? have you ever lost someone you cared about in a terroristic attack? In this one? If not, I doubt you can understand what those people have gone through, and our opinion has no foundations whatsoever.

Yes of course but all other projects have similar logistics when not the same logistics (but at a smaller scale) as this tower. I don’t think the logistics at BOFA e.g. where less complicated than the logistics on this construction site…..also 7WTC had to deal with this……

To the points of the underground infrastructure you mentioned some of your points haven’t a real impact to the FT! Also in the time of the former WTC they used surely newer technologies at the WTC than as those technologies that already existed….

They laid the cornerstone of the FT more than 4 years ago the metro lines already existed in this time since the temporary PATH station was opened on November 23rd 2003, but this can’t be a that big factor that they only achieved this progress of FT in more than 4 years….i don’t know what they did in this 4 years there…..and I can’t understand it…yes they did a lot of progress in the past few weeks/moths but in the overall time of 4 years (of pure construction time, the clean up time was no construction time for me) this isn’t much progress….

In my opinion the people that are involved in this project should simplify it…I mean every person more which is involved in this project makes it more complicated (bureaucracy wise) and hinders a fast progress….i saw some documentations on cnn on the show “perspectives” in which family members of victims were angry about the bureaucracy of this project, I will try to find cutting of the documentation I remember one man that also lost relatives and friends there said “I don’t care about what they build I want that this particular area of my city lives again and is vibrant)

NO I haven’t lost family members in a terrorists attack ( to me a war and terroristic attacks are two totally different things) BUT two relatives in the Yugoslavian war,so i can estimate what they are going through and I don’t care if they build hundreds of memorials there, or what they do with the site were they were killed, I know that my uncle and grandpa past by and no memorial or human activity will bring them back…..

I'll be in New York for a few days two weeks from now. I intend to take a few pictures of the WTC site when I'm there. Does anybody have an idea of what a good update spot would be right now?

I'll be in New York for a few days two weeks from now. I intend to take a few pictures of the WTC site when I'm there. Does anybody have an idea of what a good update spot would be right now?

From Winter Garden (2nd floor) between 2World Financial Center and 3WFC Buildings.
A few days ago I was in the Burguer King in Church St at Liberty St. Also you can take good photos from the 2nd floor.

Those who think that construction started when the cornerstone was laid are quite misguided.

The laying of the cornerstone was no less a ploy by Governor Pataki to make it seem as though things were moving forward, however it is clear that the design of the building was not even final and that there were some disagreements as to what should be built.

In fact when the cornerstone was laid, the design at the time was of a 2000 foot building (the one with all the wind mills in the crown), not of the one that is currently being built. How can you say construction started 4 years ago when the cornerstone was laid for a completely different design?

^^Just goes to show how screwed up New York politics really are! One group is laying a cornerstone before other groups have the agreed on a design. It used to be the cornerstone was laid when the building was completed.

Between politics and unions it's a miracle anything ever gets built in New York City.:ohno:

Yeah, I know, thanks. If there is such a great need for strict separation, why not start a thread for each tower to be erected and another one for general discussions about the site? Problem solved. On the other hand, I don't see why that's necessary. Things haven't progressed as much as we all hoped, and 99 percent of those scanning the Freedom Tower thread are without a doubt scanning the WTC2-4 thread anyway.

As far as I'm concerned, anything that goes on anywhere on the site is relevant to the thread. I'd rather read about it all in one place than having to follow several threads!!

As far as I'm concerned, anything that goes on anywhere on the site is relevant to the thread. I'd rather read about it all in one place than having to follow several threads!!

:rock:

As far as I'm concerned, anything that goes on anywhere on the site is relevant to the thread. I'd rather read about it all in one place than having to follow several threads!!

My point exactly.

^^ You did a good job with the video! :okay:

Very recent video, nice to see those progress close up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-clVGrEH5Y8

it seems there are peolpe making excusies for why its takeing so damn long. really this is not complicated construction at all and romanamerican this is by far not one of the biggest sites. its small, only 16 acres. thats not even close to the biggest :lol:

^^ finally someone who understands me....and who sees the things without beeing blended by overstatements that are hiding facts that the involved peolpe have fucked up this project partly....

Why do people coming here saying the same shit. We know it slow, you don't seem smarter by point it out. Don't like the way it's going to bad, get over it. If you don't have anything postive to say about this building. You might not want to post here.

I'm sick of read the same bull over and over again.

^^ i wasn´t complaining about that it is going so slow, i was complaining about the excuses that were used to justify this slow progress e.g. complexity etc.......this is a small difference i think.....

BTW a thread lives from sharing opinions and if noone may tell the others the own opinion and not just the opinion that the majority has, why does then this thread exists when we ware only allowed to speak about a cramped spectrum of a topic related to a project?

every time i come here i have to read the same crap about the pace of construction, and every time it's 2 or 3 of the same people complaining... yes it's a SMALL difference, it doesn't excuse it tho. The tower's doing fine, i wonder what some of you will find after steel starts coming up...

^^ its the same with the Chicago spire, and germantower was not complaining about how slow it is. does anybody have a recent pic ?

it seems there are peolpe making excusies for why its takeing so damn long. really this is not complicated construction at all and romanamerican this is by far not one of the biggest sites. its small, only 16 acres. thats not even close to the biggest :lol:

It is in the top 20 for area. In over 1000 (approximation) projects u/c around the world (not counting projects in non-industrialized countries), it can be defined as "one of the biggest" (this statement can be used usually for the top 100 projects, on the total worldwide), so yes, I repeat what I said. If you have proof that is not in the top 100, please provide info. If not, the only thing you can LOL about is ignorance, your own.

germantower

i wasn´t complaining about that it is going so slow, i was complaining about the excuses that were used to justify this slow progress e.g. complexity etc.......this is a small difference i think..... .
The reasons I provided do not justify the time it is taking for construction, it is explaining the complexity. If you can provide proof for ALL the reasons I stated in the previous posts (only one can suffice to prove the difference with any other construction, since each of the points regards a reason). If not, just a lot of hot air.:lol:

^^

1) give us a link where we can find this list.

2) I was complaining about the excuses before you replied my message and why should i give prooves that your statements are right?

Germantower I am not sure how to respond to your posts but all I can deduct from them is:

1. You have either never been to New York or you have no clue what this site means and
2. You act as if your opinions are facts.

There aren't any excuses as to why this is taking long. The facts are that this build is being built over a subway line that has cause the northern core to take about 3-5 months before the next pour.

Other reasons for delay are unrealistic rebuilding schedule, tons of bickering from the many interested parties in this very sensitive project and in the past political egos that delayed the projects movement. Aside from that I don't see the excuses.

Maybe you should build this building? Apparently you seem to think you know how to build it faster.

^^

1) give us a link where we can find this list.

2) I was complaining about the excuses before you replied my message and why should i give prooves that your statements are right?

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k217/dragonfly81_2006/chillpill.jpg

Take it

it seems there are peolpe making excusies for why its takeing so damn long. really this is not complicated construction at all and romanamerican this is by far not one of the biggest sites. its small, only 16 acres. thats not even close to the biggest :lol:

I'm sorry you are just plain wrong.

How many of those projects over 16 acres in size are located over two mass transit lines that cannot be shutdown, in the middle of the most densely developed land in the world, adjacent to new highway construction, mass transit construction, skyscraper demolition and memorial construction?

Show me a project with all of those attributes that is being built faster and you have a point.

^^

1) give us a link where we can find this list.

2) I was complaining about the excuses before you replied my message and why should i give prooves that your statements are right?

1) Sorry but my sources are not on line. I'm a sophomore in civil engineering (not long I know, but enough to start to gather information) and we use principally books for our research projects, since internet can't be considered a reliable source for most of the information concerning engineering (it is not a general statement, unfortunately internet provides the means of writing whatever you want at no cost). I'll look to stumble on the title of the book, but I can't provide a link since it is on paper. But at least a confirmation can be found if you google the information, none of which can be considered an "official" source.

2) No, it's the opposite. You have to prove me wrong. If you can't, your argument does not stand (that is, your statement on how "this project isn't more complex from any other project in the world"). Logic with proof is the way to sustain an argument. I'm failing to provide the second (for the reasons I already explained), you are failing to provide both.


p.s.
finally someone who understands me....and who sees the things without beeing blended by overstatements that are hiding facts that the involved peolpe have fucked up this project partly....

this comment (post 5890) was written at 8:53 PM after your previous post at 4:15 PM. That is 42 minutes after I wrote my second answer (3:33 PM) and far later my first post where I explained everything (1:43 PM on september 7th ). So you were complaining ALSO after I had answered, not only before.

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http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/2911/coverjuly72008bt3.jpg

very slow
not fast
how long will this last?
9/11 is almost 7 years in the past
empire state in 1930's, 13 months it took
dont belive me? look in a book
our country has been taken over by beaurocrats, nimbys and crooks
take a lesson from our forefathers who built this great city
apply it to the present, the future, the current state of NY is just plain shitty
let the freedom tower ring

You are the worst poet in the world. Why did you waste our time?

I'm sorry you are just plain wrong.

How many of those projects over 16 acres in size are located over two mass transit lines that cannot be shutdown, in the middle of the most densely developed land in the world, adjacent to new highway construction, mass transit construction, skyscraper demolition and memorial construction?

Show me a project with all of those attributes that is being built faster and you have a point.

theres the Big Dig which is alot more bigger and compliated. theres the Chicago's deep tunnel. 16 acres is not much, thats small compared to alot of projects in the world. the skyscraper demolition really doens thave an effect to the site. and where do u get that ny is the most densely developed land in the world ? i belive thats somewhere in china thats most densely developed land in the world.

It's even more than the site itself. What's being built on this plot of land is unprecedented in many ways: from green technology to new structural and safety standards for skyscrapers all over the rest of the planet, and more; it's the largest and greatest office complex in the world being built all over again. With that and everything else in mind, such as the complexities and realities of the site and skyscraper construction, and I assure you that none of it is piffle, things are going very well.

theres the Big Dig which is alot more bigger and compliated. theres the Chicago's deep tunnel. 16 acres is not much, thats small compared to alot of projects in the world. the skyscraper demolition really doens thave an effect to the site. and where do u get that ny is the most densely developed land in the world ? i belive thats somewhere in china thats most densely developed land in the world.

The smaller the worse is my experience. If you build for example in Dubai (especially in the early days) you could dump your materials wherever you wanted and as long as you wanted, space enough. In dense urban area's you don't have those options. Most materials are delivered 'just in time'. The rebar for a floor is delivered and about a few hours later it's being used. So if a truck enters a traffic jam your screwed and you have a delay.

theres the Big Dig which is alot more bigger and compliated. theres the Chicago's deep tunnel. 16 acres is not much, thats small compared to alot of projects in the world. the skyscraper demolition really doens thave an effect to the site. and where do u get that ny is the most densely developed land in the world ? i belive thats somewhere in china thats most densely developed land in the world.

Do you have any idea how long the Big Dig and Deep Tunnel projects took to construct? You're using them as examples of projects that are faster than the WTC rebuilding?

What was that structure? ( in the other photo it is demolished ). Some remaining part of the old WTC ?

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/7263/coverjuly72008bt3mr4.jpg

^^ Those are the remains of the first temporary PATH Hub.

I hope this tower is completed by 2011. But by looking at the progress, I doubt the whole complex will be finished by then. We need more speed on this building. Also any news for anything planned for the 9/11 memorial?

2011 is not too far... :)

According to the wikipedia: (sometimes right)

The Freedom Tower had been expected to reach rooftop level by the end of 2010 with topping out expected by 2011. The opening of the skyscraper is currently still scheduled to occur sometime in 2011 (the 10th anniversary year of the attacks), however in the aftermath of Ward's grim assessment the media began reporting that delays would push the opening back until 2013 at the earliest.

So I guess we wait around 5 years then...

Most of the super sites around the world, aren't building four massive skyscraper at once. I mean there are a hand full that are. if you look, must of them are built in open land. There is no open land in Manhattan, other then central park and no one building there. But what people don't understand is new york city is more then just Manhattan. Brooklyn and the Bronx could have the next skyscraper boom in 20 years. I'm not so sure about Queens which has two airports.

Sidenote: Did anybody see Babylon AD? Was it just me or was tower 2 taller then the freedom tower by alot.

theres the Big Dig which is alot more bigger and compliated. theres the Chicago's deep tunnel. 16 acres is not much, thats small compared to alot of projects in the world. the skyscraper demolition really doens thave an effect to the site. and where do u get that ny is the most densely developed land in the world ? i belive thats somewhere in china thats most densely developed land in the world.

The Big Dig is an urban planning construction, not a building contruction, and it is formed by "numerous" construction sites. It is not considered a SINGLE construction site (there is one for the bridge, another for the tunnel and so on).

why is this going so slow? what holding it back? In june before i knew about these forums I was in NYC, expecting a halfway finished tower, but I saw a pile of mud.

^^ Then clearly you were looking at the wrong side of the pit.

I know i was comlaining much about the EXECUSES that were used to justify the slow progress in the past years since 911 on the last pages, but NOW the progress is everything else but slow the whole site is really under construction NOW!

WTC1 above ground
WTC 2 site nearly cleared and ready
WTC 3 and 4 are nearly under construction
Former PATH terminal is gone and they are already digging for the new HUB!
They started construction on the memorial.
And those arches were installed i think it are 50...

That´s pretty much progress NOW!

once more i ask when will we see the floors above ground?

^^7th december 2008 12:35PM GMT!

^^ :lol:

^^:D:D:D

http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/5548/4j9z1111ii7.jpgLOVE this shot!!

Mas porque toda essa demora? Já era para ter iniciado a construção da Freedom Tower. I hope so!

^^7th december 2008 12:35PM GMT!

thanks for the sarcasm but can i get the truth now

thanks for the sarcasm but can i get the truth now
Sorry about that. germantower jokes!
The real date is January 4 2009 at 3:25PM EST :)

The real date is January 4 2009 at 3:25PM EST :)
You clearly got your information completely wrong. Everyone knows it's really January 4 2009 at 3:24:30PM EST!!!

^^ According to undisclosed sources, the Freedom Tower will be completed on January 4, 2009 at 3:21:07PM EST.

You clearly got your information completely wrong. Everyone knows it's really January 4 2009 at 3:24:30PM EST!!!
OH SHI-
Sorry about that. :)

What are they doing , sleeping, very slow progres!

According to the wikipedia: (sometimes right)

The Freedom Tower had been expected to reach rooftop level by the end of 2010 with topping out expected by 2011. The opening of the skyscraper is currently still scheduled to occur sometime in 2011 (the 10th anniversary year of the attacks), however in the aftermath of Ward's grim assessment the media began reporting that delays would push the opening back until 2013 at the earliest.

So I guess we wait around 5 years then...

Isn't it normal for buildings of this size to be partially occupied before they are completely built...that is...lower floors occupied as work continues on the higher levels? Is it considered complete when the last nail is driven on the top floor, or when the first tenants move in?

looks like our boys are up early today; 5:45 am they are pouring concrete; that huge section on right side :banana:

looks like they been pouring since almost 5am

^^ I know, on the eastern side of the site, it looks more neat indeed now. Their backs must be hurting them after this work. Its still pouring as of now but are those people spreading the concrete the same people that were doing it around 5am?

Isn't it normal for buildings of this size to be partially occupied before they are completely built...that is...lower floors occupied as work continues on the higher levels? Is it considered complete when the last nail is driven on the top floor, or when the first tenants move in?

For example trump international hotel tower in chicago still under construction and wont be finished for a while, but there are tennants at the lower floors that can move in. But project is considered complete when it is finished to its last touch. Its just that depending on the different projects tennants can move in during the construction.

looks like our boys are up early today; 5:45 am they are pouring concrete; that huge section on right side :banana:

looks like they been pouring since almost 5am
Sounds nice.....

Does anybody think we'll get a thread to talk about the whole WTC?
I personally think they'll wait into one of these building is halfway done.

Concrete pour on the east side is done for the day, looking nice and the workers head for the pub... :cheers:

Can someone please tell me from the pic above - one third of the way across the pic on the left side - is that the early formations of the new section of Greenwhich Street that will slice through the old "superblock"? It does seem to run into what looms like a major structure at the Freedom Tower end - I assume that structure is temporary?

That would be Greenwich Street indeed, but what you actually see is the subway box that runs below the future street.

Also that structure at the end is the temporary PATH station until the other one is opened.

Isn't it normal for buildings of this size to be partially occupied before they are completely built...that is...lower floors occupied as work continues on the higher levels? Is it considered complete when the last nail is driven on the top floor, or when the first tenants move in?

...so, in theory, by 9/11/11, even though we know Freedom Tower won't be complete by then, it could be far enough along that the lower floors could be occupied. That's 3 years from now. I think that might be feasable!!

January of 2009, is possibly to see a -nice update-?
I mean: complete floors (example: 30), e.t.c., e.t.c. .....

MSCBC has a hi-def zoomable picture:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26649743

its nice to hear that we have now the tower back ...

im currently reading Daniel Libeskind: Breaking Ground which document Libeskind's thoughts and concepts behind the WTC development. i now think this is a fantastic development after reading such in depth trail of thoughts and concepts.

i started reading this book today and then i realised todays date. i found it so ironic

I'm not sure if this is the right spot for these, but i don't know where else to put them.

9/11 Memorial Museum Pavilion Fully Revealed

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Aerial view of the Memorial Quadrant at night. The atrium of the Pavilion is designed in part to illuminate the surrounding area.



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Museum Pavilion exterior at dusk. There was a long speech about memory and reflection that we failed to transcribe, so taken were we with the shimmering exterior.



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Looking up at the tridents.



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The Museum Pavilion. Per architect Craig Dykers, the walls fold up on the roof to create a "fifth facade" -- and visual eye candy for those in offices above.



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Here's a cutaway look at the connection between the Pavilion and the sub-ground museum, with the red arrow indicating the sloping atrium that creates a single continuous room above- and below-grade. (Rendering snapped via giant LG TV at press conference.)



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The new new World Trade Center site plan! (Courtesy Foster + Partners.)



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Museum Pavilion, looking up to the tridents and on into the sky.



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The tridents, as Snohetta's Craig Dykers explained it, create an immediate visual reference to the 'gothic arch' motif of the original Twin Towers. The webbing of the pavilion windows are meant to feel leafy.



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Museum Pavilion exterior. Note tridents inside the museum.



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Memorial Plaza trees. Slides were shown of the trees currently growing in New Jersey. Godspeed, little trees, and we'll see you here soon.



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Corner rendering of the Memorial Pool.



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Another Aerial view of the Memorial, with Freedom Tower at far left.



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Memorial Plaza, amongst the trees.



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A model of the memorial site, with the September 11 Memorial Pavilion aglow.



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Another photo of a model, showing, well, just how tall those towers really will be in relation to the memorial.


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wow thank you xfallen :cheers:, museum looks very nice :)

p.s: No construction today

RIP people who died 7 years ago :(

RIP now that it is 9/11 it is only right to show respect for all of those who died 7 years ago, they are all heroes

What an ugly building in the middle of a beautiful memorial! Too bad the museum building doesn't better reflect the design of the original towers. Of course giving the designing of FT it's about what was expected.

Do those 2 quadrant pools have the same width as the original World Trade Center-twin towers? If yes, how come there is so much area around it full of new buildings (freedom tower etc) as only the WTC 1 + 2 + plaza and WTC 7 was destroyed. There can't be enough room for all those new towers if these pools have the same diameters as the WTC twin towers.

Or am I wrong?

Yes they are the width of the buildings. Each tower was one acre of space, but the site is 16 acres thereby leaving 14 acres open for other development.

This morning on BBC news, called BBC breakfast news it mentioned that freedom tower is due to finish by 2012.

What an ugly building in the middle of a beautiful memorial! Too bad the museum building doesn't better reflect the design of the original towers. Of course giving the designing of FT it's about what was expected.


What are you on about? When I saw this image the first thing I thought about was how reminicent it was of one of the fallen towers laying almost on its side. I think its a beautifully restrained building and appropriate for the site.

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What are you on about? When I saw this image the first thing I thought about was how reminicent it was of one of the fallen towers laying almost on its side. I think its a beautifully restrained building and appropriate for the site.

Now you mentioned it! I hadn't seen that! Now it looks indeed very beautiful AND symbolic. I love it.

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^^^^^I see it too. I can't be sure thats what the designer was thinking. It's so amazing.

R.I.P to those whose who died on this day 7 years ago. And god bliss America and the hero who fight for her thank you.

^^^^^^^^^^^^ WOW!!! what an amazing museum...it must be awesome to stand next to the "tree" (i mean the steal piece) , but wouldn't it be cooler if they built the museum like the WTC fassade??? i mean those pillows (sry i don't know the word but i hope you understand me)... so wouldnt this be good, i mean lots of people havent been to old WTC and then they could see how they looked in real...mh bad english or not...

I was wondering if there going to have those two blue lights on tonight like they did in the weeks after the attack?

http://www.ssrc.org/features/images/wtc_memorial_235.jpg

I was wondering if there going to have those two blue lights on tonight like they did in the weeks after the attack?

http://www.ssrc.org/features/images/wtc_memorial_235.jpg

I think they will. I'm hoping that tradition stays once the new complex in completed.

Go to CNN.com and there is a live streaming video of the lights in New York City!

www.cnn.com

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The Tribute in Light is beautiful, I hope they never go out on 9/11 every year even when the new towers are finished.

this is supposed to be the last year they do the tribute in light

Hopefully they'll do it in the centers each of the footprints in a couple of years... A new WTC doesn't mean that we can forget the old...

I think it's well done.

It would want to be too as it's costing in nominal terms about the same as the whole WTC complex did in the early 70's when it was finished...

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they've had the lights on for about a week

Hopefully they'll do it in the centers each of the footprints in a couple of years... A new WTC doesn't mean that we can forget the old...

excellently put, i think that it would be great to hold the tribute in light annually forever

http://www.earthcam.com/usa/newyork/groundzero/

here you have some live cams

...a moment of silence.

i cant believe how slow this project is taking. last time i went to new york i didn't even see the first level being constructed.

i cant believe how slow this project is taking. last time i went to new york i didn't even see the first level being constructed.

seriously shut up about how slow it is, we already know the pace of the building we can see it ourselves, we dont need 500 people telling us everyday how slow the process is seriously :bash:

does anyone have info/pics of the actual twin beam setup??

I wonder what kinda power and how many spotlights this massive light show puts out :)

wow - someone never fails to bomb in to a good discussion with "why is it so slow"!

like making that point 200 times is going to make construction move any faster! jeez

If you wanna see the new WTC completed simply see the film "Babylon AD". It is a comforting sight.

What's so slow about it anyway? Seems to be moving along nicely.

What's so slow about it anyway? Seems to be moving along nicely.

Exactly. I don't want to let it grow as fast as the Burj Dubai e.g. That's too fast IMO...

I can share some peoples frsutration with the progress but it does sometimes feel as if you have a carload of kids shouting 'are we there yet, are we there yet'

I for one perhaps think that people do really want to see this project rise and are willing it to do so, they are just misguided in their frustration in the progress.

As in the words of Mr Incredible 'we will get there when we get there' ( my daughters favourite film)

Keep on NY, thinking of you all at this time

From your cousins across the pond!!

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best post ever, well spoken jaybob :)

I hope by next September 11th there is some very visible progress at and around Ground Zero.

RIP all 3000+ Victims

We mustn't forget, that it took almost a decade to finish the twin towers, and half of that time was spent, putting the "bones" together underground before the towers started to rise.

They took 6 years to build. Then 3-6 WTC took about 3 years, and 7WTC 2 years. This is slow, but I don't care as long as New York gets back it's skyline.

im surprised how fast the new wtc-7 was built.

im surprised how fast the new wtc-7 was built.

im surprised how fast the new wtc-7 was built.

Yea the new one was built before i even knew that the old one collapses. lol.

lots of info posted in the last few pages of the following forum

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3670&page=274

95% of the below grade Freedom Tower steel is in place, according to the most recent article.

Does anyone know what is going to happen to Calatarava's transit hub now that they have a definite design for a memorial?

The Calatrava transit hub will not have a movable roof.

http://archrecord.construction.com/news/daily/archives/080805WTCTransitHub.asp

This is slow, but it's only going to be below grade which is slow, not suprised given the enormous complexity and size, I bet we will be shocked at how fast this goes up once they have done all the basement work.

W Ground Zero prace nabrały tępa przy budowie Memorialu a dokładniej rozpoczyna się zabudowa tzw. Wanny i budowa basenów tam gdzie stały podstawy Twin Towers:

Have swindled zero in (to) at structure dull work Ground Memorialu but building is started exactly so called bathtub and there structure of basin where bases become Twin Towers

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beautiful

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amazing:banana:

Will the floorplates of the new Freedom Tower be smaller that the old 1 WTC?

^^ probably the higher you go. The top floor doesn't look like it's as big as an acre like the floors of the WTC towers.

the footprint is going to be the same than the old towers, 200x200 feet i think, then it get smaller

^^ Correct. It is the same size at the base then tapers.

It seems on the webcam that there has been some serious rebar work going on in the southern core.

^^ Correct. It is the same size at the base then tapers.

It seems on the webcam that there has been some serious rebar work going on in the southern core.
I don't know whats up with the North core, the south core has gone up well but the north core has just stayed there since february. Does anyone know whats up with that?:?

two of those new freedom towers would be awesome instead of the wtc2. Instead make the wtc2 the wtc3 after the two identical freedom towers.

I don't know whats up with the North core, the south core has gone up well but the north core has just stayed there since february. Does anyone know whats up with that?:?

The northern core's footprint goes over the PATH tracks, thereby complicating it's rise because it has to be reinforced in order for the core to put its full weight dispersment over the PATH tracks.

In other words it is taking longer because they have to use a lot of rebar and steel, sort of like a setback (think of the Chicago Trump Tower for reference). Also hours of construction over the PATH tunnel are limited to weekends as it has to continue running.

Speaking of which it seems as formwork of the northern core has been put upright and maybe a sign that there will be a pour, considering they are due for one soon.

Memorial Plaza trees. Slides were shown of the trees currently growing in New Jersey. Godspeed, little trees, and we'll see you here soon.

Hopefully they'll learn their lesson from the trees at the Pentagon memorial. I was there for its dedication on the 11th and the trees were very disappointing, only about 10 feet tall and looked very unhealthy. I overheard many other visitors expressing the same kind of disappointment. Otherwise, the memorial was/is great. A sign at the Pentagon said that the trees were just adjusting to their transplantation and that they should be healthy and taller by next spring. Hopefully the memorial will be around for hundreds of years, so actually I guess we shouldn't expect the trees to look beautiful just a few weeks after they were planted. (I'd post some pics, but they'd probably get deleted anyway for being off-topic.)

Hopefully they'll learn their lesson from the trees at the Pentagon memorial. I was there for its dedication on the 11th and the trees were very disappointing, only about 10 feet tall and looked very unhealthy. I overheard many other visitors expressing the same kind of disappointment. Otherwise, the memorial was/is great. A sign at the Pentagon said that the trees were just adjusting to their transplantation and that they should be healthy and taller by next spring. Hopefully the memorial will be around for hundreds of years, so actually I guess we shouldn't expect the trees to look beautiful just a few weeks after they were planted. (I'd post some pics, but they'd probably get deleted anyway for being off-topic.)
i think they are amazing, i love the trees, and the air is made way fresher, which kind of makes the experience a little better, and after a while the trees will grow out and create a cloak on hot days, and make it more peaceful, i love the idea

there is an article about the new WTC in the october issue of Esquire. Even they point out how slow it is... and there are two smaller articles on the burj dubai and chicago spire.

^^Esquire? :lol:

Thats even less reason to listen to their viewpoint regarding the construction speed of this. If they are pointing out how long its taken to get to this final phase including the other designs they didnt go with, and the beaucracy that had to be gone through for years now then its already widely known and they are just regurgitating this as their view-point.

Things are actually speeding up as far as the speed of the construction, and overall this isnt moving all that slowly considering the incredible amount of infra-structure being constructed just under the tower footprints. Probably one of the more complicated office tower construction projects anywhere on the planet currently when you take everything into consideration. Also, they are not fucking around when they build up the cores of these towers!!! :cheers:

These core walls (I read a while back) are going to be from 3 ft thick (up to 6ft in some areas of the FT core) - They are including the latest and greatest technology as far as most of the safety features are concerned - pressurized stair ways, fireman's lifts, etc...