why there are no pictures??? so much text and as I don't speak english very well (as you can note it) i don't really understand well what it's happening.

why there are no pictures??? so much text and as I don't speak english very well (as you can note it) i don't really understand well what it's happening.

http://www.joewoolhead.blogspot.com/

http://www.wtc.com/media/images/

http://www.earthcam.net/users2/interface.php?id=445&projectid=202&clientid=158

Great pics in the blog > http://www.joewoolhead.blogspot.com/

Thanks for posting that link!

i think they are amazing, i love the trees, and the air is made way fresher, which kind of makes the experience a little better, and after a while the trees will grow out and create a cloak on hot days, and make it more peaceful, i love the idea

the trees dont keep their leaves in the winter so its gonna b baron

tree still look pretty good in the winter. Anyway I haven't had much to say in days, the work speak for it's self. Things look to becoming along nicely.

I think the WTC fits in perfectly in the NYC skyline. I love the design, it actually looks like a building as opposed to a giant pole whereas I have seen in some others. Some of them super super talls are just that, tall and they dont fit in to the skyline. I cant wait for chicago to get that ugly spire, it will ruin there skyline. Anyone (listen up Dubai) can put a very tall pole in the middle of their skyline but does it really make the skyline better. Some take away from their skyline, because it makes all of the other buildings look tiny. Good job NYC, we dont have to have the biggest building, because we have the nicest skyline...

Don't hate on Chicago, the spire looks great. Their skyline will only be even more majestic with it. I'm looking forward to that.

More renders I found.

Downtown NYC in 5 years:

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/542/new2cx0.png

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/4742/newhp4.png

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/1074/new3rp3.png

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/3536/new4hz6.png

^^^^^^^^^^^^

my god thats REALLY GOOD LOOKING

^^While amazing, thats before the impact of Goldman Sachs, 99 Church, 50 West, and so on, so think how much better it's going to be.

WOW it really does look good.

Looks awesome ^^^^^^^^ :cheers:

Actually, I think I should quit drinking. today seems to me that the southern core it's lower than what it was 15 das ago? I was using beams as a reference and it really look like to me . Anybody can explain? Is it just cuz the northern one is rising and the suthern not?

I think the entire project is gorgeous, despite the fact that the Freedom Tower has a 1960s/70s circular-restaurant-on-top vibe going on.

http://img.groundspeak.com/waymarking/display/74d4a0cb-da73-4cf4-bdc2-c169a8041b9c.jpg

Actually, I think I should quit drinking. today seems to me that the southern core it's lower than what it was 15 das ago? I was using beams as a reference and it really look like to me . Anybody can explain? Is it just cuz the northern one is rising and the suthern not?

^^ I think you've got a serious alcohol problem, the forms are not lowered at all :lol:

But seriously, the southern core and the northern core hasn't changed since the first day of September. It probably looks a bit smaller as the floors around the core a slowly catching up :)

^^ The Southern Core has changed since the beginning of the month. Since the 4th more and more rebar sticks out of it.

^^ I think you've got a serious alcohol problem, the forms are not lowered at all :lol:

But seriously, the southern core and the northern core hasn't changed since the first day of September. It probably looks a bit smaller as the floors around the core a slowly catching up :)


Thnks! :lol:

Now I understand what it was the optical illusion.
That would habe been a first. Scraper going doing instead of rising. Ok let's quit the peyote.

Shall we continue with the main topic, please???

Photos from the blog are the best i´ve ever seen, thanks a lot to the photographer and hope to see more updates ! FT now grows up above street level and thats enormous progress !

and who the hell do you think you are? i'm not giving any information at all, that image represents my thoughts of the perfect NY downtown area, what if i had just put it in words? you'd also had asked me to delete the comment?, there're thousands of this-is-the-way-i-would-like-it-to-be images.

And if it really is not appropiate to post things like that, then a moderator will just delete it by him/herself. And i shall respect that decision.

That still dosen't mean you can post non freedom tower related photo! Fish is right this is a freedom tower thread not a Wtc recostruction thread, and skyperu34 yes it's time to get back on topic! :)

Some photos from sept 12.

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l18/andyandsuesellstuff/P9121104.jpg
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l18/andyandsuesellstuff/P9121109.jpg
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l18/andyandsuesellstuff/P9121108.jpg
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l18/andyandsuesellstuff/P9121107.jpg

*moment of silence*

Thanks for looking.

- A

It's nice that this year on 9-11, there is something rising, if only a little bit, over the site. Looks like this will grow over the next year, hopefully.

since the steal rose to street level, things been moving pretty smoothly. I'm sure they'll get moving faster as they go along. This thing will be done before you know it.

The pace seems to be quickening based on what i've seen over the last 2 months.

- A

Thanks for such exciting updates buddy !

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http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq132/Viperfreak2/David%20M/WTC3.jpg

^^ get the idea but would be pointless.

However it could actually look quite good in someways.

http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq132/Viperfreak2/David%20M/WTC3.jpg

That would deffinetly look be really cool but you cant just make a skyscraper because it looks cool theres no need for two of them.

No disagreements: Ain't gonna happen, and is still a good idea if only to make a statement.

That would deffinetly look be really cool but you cant just make a skyscraper because it looks cool theres no need for two of them.
Why do you say this? The total office space of WTC 1, 2, 3 and 4 is a good bit more than two WTC 1's would be so if twins of FT were built the others could just be scaled back to give the same amount of office space. I realize it's too late for that now but it certainly would have been done.

http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq132/Viperfreak2/David%20M/WTC3.jpg

they have it like that in the movie Click

http://www.sonypictures.com/homevideo/click/index.html?&ref=http%3A//www.google.com/search%3Fhl%3Den%26client%3Dsafari%26rls%3Den%26q%3Dclick+movie%26revid%3D903022841%26sa%3Dx%26oi%3Drevisions_narrow%26resnum%3D4%26ct%3Drevision%26cd%3D1

You could wish for them to build 4 of these things ain't gonna happen. Or should say not going to happen. Just be happy with what you got. I pray to god they'd change the first design. And thank him when they did. I never thought, maybe they should build two. One was good enough for me.

Never going to happen, but it would answer the question that will be asked for a long time after FT is finished... "Nice. But where is the other one?" !!

You could wish for them to build 4 of these things ain't gonna happen. Or should say not going to happen. Just be happy with what you got. I pray to god they'd change the first design. And thank him when they did. I never thought, maybe they should build two. One was good enough for me.

LOL I hear you man.

And only one tower should have a spire.

^^ if they were going to build 2 FT's like that they should be 1776ft to the roof, no spires. Now that would look awesome!

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/2155/facepalmtb8.jpghttp://img170.imageshack.us/img170/3149/facepalmtb8aaac4.jpg

ok guys here we go, latest updates from governor....

Gov. David Paterson laid out his priorities for ground zero the day after the seventh anniversary of the attacks, and he broke with the city and some community leaders in the order of his list.

Paterson placed the World Trade Center PATH hub designed by Santiago Calatrava above the Freedom Tower and Silverstein Properties office buildings. That’s the reverse of the priorities Deputy Mayor Robert Lieber identified to Downtown Express two months ago and repeated last week.

“Lower Manhattan is a serious hub of transportation, which if developed correctly can again accommodate [people’s] needs,” Paterson said Friday during a speech to the New York Building Congress. “There will be more of us and more places to go.”

Like Lieber and nearly everyone else involved in the rebuilding effort, Paterson placed the memorial at the top of his list.

“It’s priority and having a plan,” Paterson said, describing how the site will get rebuilt. “It’s following the steps of the plan, and if there are obstacles, being honest about it, and being honest with the public.”

Paterson took a step toward that honesty when he asked the Port Authority for a realistic set of ground zero budgets and timetables earlier this summer. The Port will have answers for Paterson and the public by the end of the month.

After his speech Friday, Paterson gave his first direct response to Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s request that the governor shutter the city-state Lower Manhattan Development Corporation. Bloomberg wanted to transfer the L.M.D.C.’s rebuilding functions to the city, and he particularly wanted to relieve the L.M.D.C. of its responsibility for the long-delayed demolition of the former Deutsche Bank building.

“I do understand the perspective of how we could close down the L.M.D.C. and also in a sense how we would get the Deutsche Bank building down as soon as possible,” Paterson said.

However, since the L.M.D.C. receives federal funding, the city-state agency will have to remain in existence at least on paper, Paterson said. Bloomberg acknowledged as much in his essay in The Wall Street Journal, where his comments on the L.M.D.C. first appeared.

“Legally, I don’t think the state can disband the L.M.D.C., but at our next biweekly meeting I’m going to ask Mayor Bloomberg to come in and show us how that would be possible,” Paterson said. “Also, the way the L.M.D.C. works, there are resources becoming available that we’d have to give up to shut the L.M.D.C. down. And so we don’t think that’s an immediate decision that we’d like to make.”

Paterson said that while he and Bloomberg may not be in agreement about the L.M.D.C., he is glad to hear new ideas and see more energy focused on ground zero rebuilding.

“To me, that’s a change from what must have been going on in last seven years,” Paterson said.

He also said that while meeting with the mayor this summer, they discussed how “mutually agitated” they were that the memorial was behind schedule.

Bloomberg isn’t the first person to suggest closing the L.M.D.C. — former Gov. George Pataki wanted to dismantle the agency before he left office in 2006, but he failed to do so.

Paterson joked that he has spent much of his first six months as governor listening to people tell him that he should achieve the things New York’s past governors failed to do.

“Everyone says to me, ‘Gov. Pataki said he was going to do this and Gov. Spitzer said he was going to do that, therefore you have to do it,’” Paterson said.

“No,” he concluded, drawing a laugh from the crowd of construction professionals, “that’s not true.”

http://www.downtownexpress.com/de_281/governorplaces.html

BY September 29 they should release a new report about changes to the public.

also read this if you interested: http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/17/fate-of-the-calatrava-terminal-is-still-hanging/

That would deffinetly look be really cool but you cant just make a skyscraper because it looks cool theres no need for two of them.

Not to mention they would have twin cousins up in Regina
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c263/gobleramsey/regina.jpg

the rebars on the south side of the south core is getting very dense whereas the rebars on the north core is never appearing. I think south core will rise again before north core rises next time.

they have it like that in the movie Click

http://www.sonypictures.com/homevideo/click/index.html?&ref=http%3A//www.google.com/search%3Fhl%3Den%26client%3Dsafari%26rls%3Den%26q%3Dclick+movie%26revid%3D903022841%26sa%3Dx%26oi%3Drevisions_narrow%26resnum%3D4%26ct%3Drevision%26cd%3D1

Iw ould really love that!
New York was dominated by the twin towers and should be again in the future!
It was so cool, to have the Freedom twin-tower. Looks more majestically.
Maybe they gonna build twin towers anywhere else in the city?! Maybe on the old railyard?

COOL, if you could go down to the grocery store at the basement in the time warner center, it is awesome and delicious, can you take pictures of the progress of the building under construction near the time warner center it is right next to it

Not going that far north next week, perhaps the week after that. :)

Yes, whole foods has really good stuff & i have been there once to get movie snack & lunch before going to a theater on 42nd st.

- A

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:lol:

honestly, i have thought about it for a while now, and have to admit, it looks good solitary! it makes a bold statement as it stands there by itself. i think it is great to have the one tall tower there.

....Gov. David Paterson laid out his priorities for ground zero the day after the seventh anniversary of the attacks, and he broke with the city and some community leaders in the order of his list.

Paterson placed the World Trade Center PATH hub designed by Santiago Calatrava above the Freedom Tower and Silverstein Properties office buildings. That’s the reverse of the priorities Deputy Mayor Robert Lieber identified to Downtown Express two months ago and repeated last week.

“Lower Manhattan is a serious hub of transportation, which if developed correctly can again accommodate [people’s] needs,” Paterson said Friday during a speech to the New York Building Congress. “There will be more of us and more places to go.”

Like Lieber and nearly everyone else involved in the rebuilding effort, Paterson placed the memorial at the top of his list...

http://www.downtownexpress.com/de_281/governorplaces.html


So, more delays?

Iw ould really love that!
New York was dominated by the twin towers and should be again in the future!
It was so cool, to have the Freedom twin-tower. Looks more majestically.
Maybe they gonna build twin towers anywhere else in the city?! Maybe on the old railyard?

they have twins in columbus circle


http://www.arrakeen.ch/usacan/028%20%20Time%20Warner%20Center.jpg

I LOVE TIME WARNER CENTER my favorite skyscraper in the world

It was destroyed in Cloverfield LOL

It was destroyed in Cloverfield LOL

IT WAS???? I never watched cloverfield, wow did it look cool at least?, lol, can we get some updates on the freedom tower though

Yes, it was destroyed in cloverfield, more accurately one was leaning on the other.

I will get photos next week of the entire WTC site including the halted demolition of the bankers trust building (AKA deutsch bank) before i head off to a mets game. I will also get the 7 train at bryant park so i can get you guys some more photos of the window dropping BoA tower, and the reclad verizon building! I will also try to get some other angles of Goldman Sachs, including from across the river in NJ.

:)

- A

COOL, if you could go down to the grocery store at the basement in the time warner center, it is awesome and delicious, can you take pictures of the progress of the building under construction near the time warner center it is right next to it

Gov. David Paterson laid out his priorities for ground zero the day after the seventh anniversary of the attacks, and he broke with the city and some community leaders in the order of his list.

Paterson placed the World Trade Center PATH hub designed by Santiago Calatrava above the Freedom Tower and Silverstein Properties office buildings. That’s the reverse of the priorities Deputy Mayor Robert Lieber identified to Downtown Express two months ago and repeated last week.

I can understand how the governor Patterson can dictate the speed of construction where public money is being spent. How can he control the speed of construction of the private buildings that Silverstein is building? After the port authority completes the site preparation the buildings themselves will not use any public money.

I don't like the design at all, I believe they should have kept the original twine towers.

since the steal rose to street level, things been moving pretty smoothly. I'm sure they'll get moving faster as they go along. This thing will be done before you know it.òp.

Well,not to be too much of a jerk, but since it's almost 4 yrs that I check progresses almost every day; and considering that meanwhile they've build BOFA and Shangai's World Fin Cen., let me tell ya, if they do something, we are going to know that.:)!

I don't like the design at all, I believe they should have kept the original twine towers.
Demolishing the old towers using flying plans was a very bad idea imo.

Tell me that you chose the wrong word in "demolishing". We well adjusted people like to use the word "destroyed", put into a sentence like "it's was an act of cowardness the towers were destroyed by Muslim extremists while there were nearly 3,000 people inside in the worst terrorist attack in US history."
I swear to god, the longer I am on this site, the more stupid people become.

òp.

Well,not to be too much of a jerk, but since it's almost 4 yrs that I check progresses almost every day; and considering that meanwhile they've build BOFA and Shangai's World Fin Cen., let me tell ya, if they do something, we are going to know that.:)!

It took 10 years to build SWFC.

There is a lot of rebar sticking out the southern core on it's southern face while the northern core there appears to be some rebar sticking out from it's eastern face (the closest to the camera).

Tell me that you chose the wrong word in "demolishing". We well adjusted people like to use the word "destroyed", put into a sentence like "it's was an act of cowardness the towers were destroyed by Muslim extremists while there were nearly 3,000 people inside in the worst terrorist attack in US history."
I swear to god, the longer I am on this site, the more stupid people become.

Calling other people stupid because English isnt their first language is stupid IMO. Take it easy. You know what he/she meant.

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Some visible progress today, south east corner of the site in brown colour has nearly or full roof on top now, looks more neater. (does anyone know what that small space is used for though?)

Some visible progress today, south east corner of the site in brown colour has nearly or full roof on top now, looks more neater. (does anyone know what that small space is used for though?)

so will the floor level raise soon?

Some visible progress today, south east corner of the site in brown colour has nearly or full roof on top now, looks more neater. (does anyone know what that small space is used for though?)

If your talking about the square, it is probably some kind of elevator or stair shaft.

Calling other people stupid because English isnt their first language is stupid IMO. Take it easy. You know what he/she meant.

Reading the quote of the now-edited post, I'm pretty sure it was deliberately offensive.

And reading your post, I'm pretty sure you are the best example of stupidity on this site.

Some visible progress today, south east corner of the site in brown colour has nearly or full roof on top now, looks more neater. (does anyone know what that small space is used for though?)
Any pics ?

he saw it on the webcam ^^

this thread has more replies than my entire city development thread :)

The following are some photos I took on September 10th mainly from the roof of WTC7. Sorry for the delay, but I also shot a lot of video from the roof and from the 10th floor where the design team was at work on presumably the new tower designs, which I was planning on posting at the same time, but the person who escorted me up onto the roof and into the studio asked me to wait until his immediate boss was able to check out the video to make sure it was okay to post. I'm still waiting to hear back about that, but will have the video up as well as soon as I do.

In the meantime, here are some photos of the construction of the Freedom Tower. These are scaled down photos, but all of the photos were taken with a 10mp camera so the originals are very large. By the way, the original photos are about 3,600 pixels in width, but FLICKR only displays them in 1024 pixels wide. Anyone know how I can upload the pics so they maintain their full resolution??? Also, you'll notice that some of the pictures (those at sunset) are somewhat blurry. This was a huge disappointment, but there's nothing I could have done. It's a lighting issue.

First, a photo from the WTC-WFC footbridge. After about 5 minutes, I finally figured out how you regulars get your photos from this location: you have to stretch your arm and camera way out through that gap. :)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3085/2875527117_124464594e_b.jpg

Site from 10th floor:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3158/2875537955_d2ee38f0b7_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3068/2876364040_79a911c047_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3279/2876359028_5e6f836ca7_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3290/2875533279_1e56646c93_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3238/2875530131_03992ea13e_b.jpg

Site from roof:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3274/2876367304_b0e00d4d0c_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3097/2875523959_b538f6db88_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3101/2876352868_d9f3bdd0a9_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2264/2876343990_88257dd22b_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3244/2876345578_d17993373d_b.jpg

Woolworth Building and Brooklyn Bridge (Note 99 Church Street in bottom left corner):
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3241/2875544593_f37cd0034f_b.jpg

Tribute in Lights:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3156/2876370464_3632811034_b.jpg

Roof of WTC7:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3052/2876368916_37a1408977_b.jpg

The Sphere and WTC Memorial Beams Public Signing, 9/11/08:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3137/2876374328_936e392a4e_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2404/2876375918_95a047a24c_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3124/2876377624_4b6b3076b8_b.jpg

wow, awesome update! many thx for that :)

Many many thanks RKOwens for your wonderful and detailed pictures! :cheers:

The latest series of pictures once again proves that this thread should be merged with the 2-4WTC thread.

Fantastic Update!

Thank you for the photos RKO !

At the rate this is going it might be up to street level by 2010.:lol:

You're welcome, everybody. Just glad to see people interested in the rebuilding. :)

At the rate this is going it might be up to street level by 2010.:lol:

it's already at street level :lol: (dementia...)

wow great pics

Wouldn't want to be the coordinator at ground zero, what a huge construction site. Looks like they're progressing steadily now, slowly but steady.

Anyone know how I can upload the pics so they maintain their full resolution???

anyone that can answer him?

i'd like very much to see more and more detailed pics, specially if taken from that incredible point of view:cheers:

I rarely post in this thread any longer and feel no need to due the monotonous questions and some people turning it into a circus but I have to comment on RKowens pictures. Thank you so much for the construction shots. Those were probably the best I've seen in a long time and yiou really capture the evidence of the activity down there. Good job and great message!

Great constructions shots RKOwen! Thanks for posting. long timi we did not have such great shots.

Awesome pics RKOwen :cheers: very nice update, huge progress...

Wouldn't want to be the coordinator at ground zero, what a huge construction site.

My thoughts exactly!

Wish i had access to 7 wtc! Nice photos!

- A

Thanx RKO (randy orton?)

I was very desperate see something like that for years.

By the way, the original photos are about 3,600 pixels in width, but FLICKR only displays them in 1024 pixels wide. Anyone know how I can upload the pics so they maintain their full resolution???

I don't know about Flickr or other such sites, but Google's Picasa will allow you to upload the full-size pics. Viewers (who don't have to have a Picasa account) have the option to download individual pictures, which will be the original size. :cool:

Link:
http://picasa.google.com/features.html

Edit: I see that Flickr also has an option to view/download the original size when browsing pics from their site. They probably don't allow "deep linking" to the full-size pics in order to reduce the load on their servers. Plus you wouldn't want to embed 3600-pixel-wide pictures here anyway, because some people have slow Internet connections.

It was on the news in Baltimore tonite that evidence of the last ice age, a glacial pothole, was discovered on the site. Does anyone know where? Should be visible in those great overhead shots just posted.

^^ I read on a Dutch news site that they found a 12 meter (39 feet) deep hole at the south east corner of the site.

^^ That would be this. These pictures are originally part of a New York Times article posted by Brianac over at wirednewyork

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/09/22/nyregion/22rocks_650.jpg
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/09/22/nyregion/22rocks2_650.jpg

They first ran into problems with that glacial gouge back when they were installing the tiebacks for the slurry wall. On Earthcam it looks like they have the hole almost completely filled in with concrete now. It should serve as nice natural socket for the foundation.

^^ Those pictures are recent maybe at most 5 days old. Highly doubtful that they would have already poured 40 feet of concrete lol.

Speaking of which there looks to be a pour on the far side of 1 WTC but it is hard to tell where.

looks like a big bowl of soup:lol:

^^ Those pictures are recent maybe at most 5 days old. Highly doubtful that they would have already poured 40 feet of concrete lol.

Speaking of which there looks to be a pour on the far side of 1 WTC but it is hard to tell where.
I agree.

Full-res photos:

http://picasaweb.google.com/UGelehrte/013#

I uploaded only the best 7 which weren't blurred due to their being taken at sunset. When viewed in full-res they're just extremely blurry, so the sizes for these which I've already posted are about as good as their resolution is. Luckily many of them still maintained high-res without blurring. Also, I have no idea why the picture from the footbridge is rotated 90 degrees, but there's an option in the top right corner to rotate it back correctly.

One last thing, if you (like me) were wondering what the heck those silver things were on top of the Calatrava columns which make up the east-west corridor, I was able to look at them very, very up close through a telescope on the 10th floor and it turns out that they're some sort of stacks of thin metal sheets bundled together. My guess is they'll eventually be used as floor pans for the concrete that will be poured over the columns. Anyway, I saw those things for about a month on the Earthcam webcam and couldn't figure out what the heck they were, so it was cool to finally see them up close and thought I'd share that little bit of info as to what they are with you all.

One last thing, if you (like me) were wondering what the heck those silver things were on top of the Calatrava columns which make up the east-west corridor, I was able to look at them very, very up close through a telescope on the 10th floor and it turns out that they're some sort of stacks of thin metal sheets bundled together. My guess is they'll eventually be used as floor pans for the concrete that will be poured over the columns. Anyway, I saw those things for about a month on the Earthcam webcam and couldn't figure out what the heck they were, so it was cool to finally see them up close and thought I'd share that little bit of info as to what they are with you all.

Ah thank you, those had puzzled me as well.

Oh and by the way, are you in the building industry or something? I'm wondering how you got access to WTC7 like you did.

Nice way to deal with the glass

RKO http://lh5.ggpht.com/UGelehrte/SNk85U2eu9I/AAAAAAAAADQ/hPm_YxHPCTc/s800/DSCN0047.JPG


Thank you for the photos !

And RAMVid - great find.

Make a hole in the top of the the tower and it will be another shanghai World Financial Center

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3055/2879667142_34a2906a28_b.jpg

Make a hole in the top of the the tower and it will be another shanghai World Financial Center

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3055/2879667142_34a2906a28_b.jpg

freedom tower looks nothing like WFC :blahblah:

freedom tower looks nothing like WFC :blahblah:

I didn't even know that they were building it, until I saw the topic here on the forum... :ohno:

I didn't even know that they were building it, until I saw the topic here on the forum... :ohno:

yeah and it took 11 years to build it, and people didn't bitch about that:ohno:

Make a hole in the top of the the tower and it will be another shanghai World Financial Center

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3055/2879667142_34a2906a28_b.jpg

You're not getting the idea from this are you?

http://sallini.com/rumors/therumors/newworldtradecenter/newworldtradecenter.jpg

Does anybody know when they will remove a ramp?

That glacial gash looks very interesting. Would it not be possible to preserve a small part of it somewhere within the WTC complex, such as the memorial part? It would be an interesting specimen of New York's prehistory.

You're not getting the idea from this are you?

http://sallini.com/rumors/therumors/newworldtradecenter/newworldtradecenter.jpg



I love this picture. Two Boeing 707s flying through the holes as opposed to into the buildings. Those two openings, in the buildings, look like the St. Louis Arch turned upside down.

freedom tower looks nothing like WFC :blahblah:

Its the same design turned upside down :hilarious

http://m7ml.com/uploads/f5a34db50b.jpg

I'm guessing you failed geometry...

You're not getting the idea from this are you?

http://sallini.com/rumors/therumors/newworldtradecenter/newworldtradecenter.jpg
The original of them its Kingdom tower in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia:
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x212/therondunn/Riyadh/df58.jpg
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x212/therondunn/Riyadh/df58.jpg

Looks like they are doing a pour somewhere around the west side of the core.

By the way, nice Pics RKowens, I haven't seen you on JREF in a while. I hope you got some nice new pics for debunking.

Looks like they are doing a pour somewhere around the west side of the core.

Looks like a floor pour on that side of the building.

^^ yup south west corner.

Oh and by the way, are you in the building industry or something? I'm wondering how you got access to WTC7 like you did.

No, it's just that a friend of mine who works in the building gave me a brief tour and allowed me to take some photos. I was able to look up close at a lot of the blueprints and renderings for the new mall/concourse hanging on the walls and things like that, but he asked me not to photograph them. For some reason these designs and renderings for the mall haven't been made public, but let me say that the mall looks very, very cool. High ceilings, very spacious. Hopefully they'll post the renderings on their website soon because I'd like to look at them again.

By the way, nice Pics RKowens, I haven't seen you on JREF in a while. I hope you got some nice new pics for debunking.

I'm on the JREF forums everyday, but I hardly ever post responses anymore (the conversations move so quickly that once a thread is posted, within an hour it's usually already on page 3! It's more like a live chat.). And actually I did create a panorama of super hi-res shots of 30 West Broadway and its still visible damage from the collapse of WTC7, to debunk the whole "WTC7 fell into its own footprint" claim. I also recorded a lengthy debate with Jason Bermas, Luke Rudowski, and about a dozen others, but that's a topic for the JREF forums. (Sorry for getting off topic!)

No, it's just that a friend of mine who works in the building gave me a brief tour and allowed me to take some photos. I was able to look up close at a lot of the blueprints and renderings for the new mall/concourse hanging on the walls and things like that, but he asked me not to photograph them. For some reason these designs and renderings for the mall haven't been made public, but let me say that the mall looks very, very cool. High ceilings, very spacious. Hopefully they'll post the renderings on their website soon because I'd like to look at them again.


Oh darn! I was hoping just anyone could get in there if they were nice enough. :p I'd love to see those diagrams and renders. Hopefully they release them soon.

Any link to the panorama of 30 West Broadway?

I'm guessing you failed geometry...

No, I got full mark.
And STOP following my posts .. don't you have anything better to do in your life!!? :bash:

Its the same design turned upside down :hilarious

http://m7ml.com/uploads/f5a34db50b.jpg

You didn't have to turn it upside down to show "the zipper" effect, but they are two different buildints, one is a straight line at the top of the building the other is still a box.

^^^^ that is true you couldn't turn wfc upside down it would fall over.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3272/2888812112_3a391fddba_b.jpg

I'm not sure but is this scaffolding?

THIS IS TAKEING TOO LONG.............

I'm not sure but is this scaffolding?
It definitely looks like it, there's sure an awful lot of it. Not quite sure what it's all for though, unless they're going to do some kind of work on that wall?

The scaffolding has been there in some form since June. I imagine they're still in the process of getting the slurry wall ready for the memorial. You can see the part that is going to be exposed has less scaffolding.

Let's see...it's spelled "taking," not "takeing," and the original WTC took a decade to build just the foundation. This is a huge site, in an almost incomprehensibly cramped city.

Freedom Tower is nothing like SWFC. For one SWFC has curved faces and only two corners are tapered. The FT has four tapered faces and is essentially a square with a square roof rotated at 45 deg.

^^ Probably to put in the ties for the slurry wall.

No, I got full mark.
And STOP following my posts .. don't you have anything better to do in your life!!? :bash:

ever herd of trapezoids? FT is a trapezoid, the building you are comparing it too is the opposite with the zipper effect. No offense, but your comments are hilarious, I think I'll start following them too....

Actually, the correct shape of the Freedom Tower is a square antiprism that has been vertically stretched out and made to taper (likely so that the top wouldn't be larger than and hang over the bottom part of the building), creating the eight massive isosceles triangles of the facade and giving the building its basic iconic but fleeting form; the lower part of 1WTC is more of a cube with indentations in the corners from top to bottom, forming four more isosceles triangles.

Ebola, I'm guessing you did... quite well in geometry. I did not know it could be described as an antiprism until now.

Again, nothing like SWFC, apart from a square footprint and a podium that is clad differently from the main part of the tower.

Actually, the correct shape of the Freedom Tower is a square antiprism that has been vertically stretched out and made to taper (likely so that the top wouldn't be larger than and hang over the bottom part of the building), creating the eight massive isosceles triangles of the facade and giving the building its basic iconic but fleeting form; the lower part of 1WTC is more of a cube with indentations in the corners from top to bottom, forming four more isosceles triangles.

We (as in my class of Geometry of Design) called it trapezoid-form: that is, two bottom angles coincide at an angle in the upper square. Of course, I'm not keeping into consideration the bottom part of the freedom tower....
Although I have to admit I remember antiprism was mentioned in some part....don't really remember though :)

Hmmm yeah I say its a building they're building. It could be the shape of a cardboard box for all I care. Math is one of my weak point. But art on the other hand, I was pretty good at. Look its nothing like wfc at all. From what I can tel,l it more like a isosceles trapezoid but don't quote me on it. I haven't been to school in years lol.

It did not take 10 years to build the foundations of the old WTC. How ridiculous, it took 2 years to built 1 and 2 WTC's foundations, this will be three years in Spring. This is actually slower than them. It probably took only 8 years to build the foundations of all 7 buildings in the old WTC put together, thats the amount of time used to build the foundations for every single building.

^^ LOOOOOOOL

just the idea a foundation would take 10 years... no one would bother keeping on update with that foundation.

It did not take 10 years to build the foundations of the old WTC. How ridiculous, it took 2 years to built 1 and 2 WTC's foundations, this will be three years in Spring. This is actually slower than them. It probably took only 8 years to build the foundations of all 7 buildings in the old WTC put together, thats the amount of time used to build the foundations for every single building.

Except for the fact that WTC 1's foundations have been done for over a year. :nuts::lol::lol:

^^ Also they only started the foundations of WTC4 a couple of months ago and have made rapid progress on that.

And where did you learn to count, they started tower 1 in the early spring of 2006. Hmmmm thats not 3 years but what do I know.

................

I don't think this is from 9-27 because there doesn't appear to be any steel visible for the memorial visible from that view.

I don't think this is from 9-27 because there doesn't appear to be any steel visible for the memorial visible from that view.

sorry that was from the 5th of september :nuts:

concrete pour at the east side of the site. I think the concrete is being poured to underneath that dark brown floor, or I'm not even sure if they're actually pouring any concrete.

I think they are pouring a wall underneath the falsework. They also poured a pad out by West Street.

Does anyone know what the heck that below-ground squared area between the Freedom Tower and West Street is going to be? I know the work that's going on south of that is for the below-ground corridor leading to the World Financial Center, but this is well north of that. It just seems like a small room being built below ground, on the other side of the slurry wall. Any ideas?

Parking garage maybe? There was a show on the Discovery Channel recently about a building in Los Angeles where the parking garage was dug out from the top down, where the concrete ceiling for it was poured and then the lower floors were excavated. Could this be something similar?

Does anyone know what the heck that below-ground squared area between the Freedom Tower and West Street is going to be? I know the work that's going on south of that is for the below-ground corridor leading to the World Financial Center, but this is well north of that. It just seems like a small room being built below ground, on the other side of the slurry wall. Any ideas?

Parking garage maybe? There was a show on the Discovery Channel recently about a building in Los Angeles where the parking garage was dug out from the top down, where the concrete ceiling for it was poured and then the lower floors were excavated. Could this be something similar?

Yeah I think it's the reinforced parking garage. They're going heavy duty just in case something like 1993 happens again.

Yeah I think it's the reinforced parking garage. They're going heavy duty just in case something like 1993 happens again.

They did say this was going to be the most terror proof building in the city. Apparently they meant it.

I think they are pouring a wall underneath the falsework. They also poured a pad out by West Street.

Falsework? I thought that dark brown colour floor where the concrete tube is reaching toward is the rebars laid on the floor. In the photo below it looks like loads of dark brown rebars laid out on the floor.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3158/2875537955_d2ee38f0b7_b.jpg

has it risen above ground or is it still under sea level? for the peeps who are lucky enough to live near the tower

has it risen above ground or is it still under sea level? for the peeps who are lucky enough to live near the tower

Its above ground now it has been for about 2 months.

^^So then it's been stuck here because I have not seen much more increase in height.

The building has grown alot since making it above street level.

^^So then it's been stuck here because I have not seen much more increase in height.

It looks like they're focusing on getting the underground areas finished before they start on the actual tower portion.

One thing I've noticed in the recent pictures - the north (or is it the south?) side of the core is not as long as the other side. I wonder why that is and why it has been sitting at the same level for months now. I assume the core is not going to be lopsided, so are they eventually going to extend that part of the core so that it is symmetrical with the side that is above street level?

then how long until the base is finished? and then the contractor can move along to the repetitive part?

the core of this building is huge - it seems to occupy a massive amount of space?

Does anyone know what the heck that below-ground squared area between the Freedom Tower and West Street is going to be? I know the work that's going on south of that is for the below-ground corridor leading to the World Financial Center, but this is well north of that. It just seems like a small room being built below ground, on the other side of the slurry wall. Any ideas?

Parking garage maybe? There was a show on the Discovery Channel recently about a building in Los Angeles where the parking garage was dug out from the top down, where the concrete ceiling for it was poured and then the lower floors were excavated. Could this be something similar?

I originally thought this was a component of the pedestrian underpass. I had heard they were going to use the freeze and jack method so I thought maybe this was where they were going to have the cryogenics. Now, with that hefty, rigid pad I wonder if this might be part of the ventilation structure for the PATH tunnel.

Falsework? I thought that dark brown colour floor where the concrete tube is reaching toward is the rebars laid on the floor. In the photo below it looks like loads of dark brown rebars laid out on the floor.

The day after it does indeed look like some of the floor was poured but what I was referring to was pouring something under the formwork. I believe there is supposed to be an escalator, in that area where the tube was for so long yesterday, so I thought maybe it was extra structure underneath.

^^ today's webcam show the concrete poured yesterday has come up to the surface as we can see. Real progress init? not long now until we see the steel beams around the core going inside the concrete.

Falsework? I thought that dark brown colour floor where the concrete tube is reaching toward is the rebars laid on the floor. In the photo below it looks like loads of dark brown rebars laid out on the floor.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3158/2875537955_d2ee38f0b7_b.jpg
Day to day more growning up ;) Looks higher from the road level...

September 24th:

highres: http://www.flickr.com/photos/shyzaboy/2901896845/sizes/o/
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3272/2901896845_23db6ebe2a_b.jpg

Nice aerial shot. :)

The stump has officially reached street level. Sooner than later, the bones will be assembled and it will be a full fledged building. Probably sooner than it took to build all of the underground stuff. What will the naysayers complain about next?

They'll find something, like the rest of the site or the design.

Never safe from troll posts, either.

^^
^^
^^ Nice pic indeed :)

Im sure that New Yorkers are sick of seeing for more than 7 years now a big hole in Manhattan, in the place where the tallest towers of the city stood. As it seems that is going to change very soon.

Im sure that New Yorkers are sick of seeing for more than 7 years now a big hole in Manhattan, in the place where the tallest towers of the city stood. As it seems that is going to change very soon.
I'm sure that most New Yorkers have better things to do than to worry about their skyline.

in all seriousness though...they must really be thinking everything though very intricately, because that picture is not very different from ones last year....looks to be 50 feet taller, at most.

Im sure that New Yorkers are sick of seeing for more than 7 years now a big hole in Manhattan, in the place where the tallest towers of the city stood. As it seems that is going to change very soon.


Don't speak for us. I don't live in the city anymore but it's my blood right to speak up. And alot of us do care about the skyline, we take pride in it. I can't talk for any other new yorker. But I would give anything to see the skyline brought back to it glory.

in all seriousness though...they must really be thinking everything though very intricately, because that picture is not very different from ones last year....looks to be 50 feet taller, at most.

If you completely ignore all progress with the exception of vertical growth, then yes. The rest of the site, however, has progressed quite far in the last year.

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Port Authority shocker: Trade Center making progress
Report due Thursday to conclude Silverstein can finish on schedule.

October 1, 2008

The Port Authority of New York & New Jersey is slated to announce Thursday that it will meet all its obligations to lay the groundwork that will allow Larry Silverstein to complete the three towers he is developing at World Trade Center site by 2012 as scheduled, sources say.

Thursday’s report, these say sources, will be nowhere near as bleak as imagined last June.

One source attributes the new, more optimistic view of progress at Ground Zero to design and engineering changes made in recent weeks. Currently, the Port Authority's Freedom Tower, like Mr. Silverstein’s buildings, are due to be finished by 2012.

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Port Authority shocker: Trade Center making progress
Report due Thursday to conclude Silverstein can finish on schedule.

October 1, 2008

The Port Authority of New York & New Jersey is slated to announce Thursday that it will meet all its obligations to lay the groundwork that will allow Larry Silverstein to complete the three towers he is developing at World Trade Center site by 2012 as scheduled, sources say.

Thursday’s report, these say sources, will be nowhere near as bleak as imagined last June.

One source attributes the new, more optimistic view of progress at Ground Zero to design and engineering changes made in recent weeks. Currently, the Port Authority's Freedom Tower, like Mr. Silverstein’s buildings, are due to be finished by 2012.
That's great news! :cheers:

Port Authority shocker...well, not so much. Freedom tower and underground museum delayed until 2013. Transit hub delayed until 2014. Project to cost over $1 billion more than originally expected: http://www.usatoday.com/news/sept11/2008-10-02-wtc_N.htm

^^ well, its been completion date for 2013 for ong time hasn't it? at least as I knew it. Its been like this for long in wikipedia:

"The Freedom Tower had been expected to reach rooftop level by the end of 2010 with topping out expected by 2011. The opening of the skyscraper is currently still scheduled to occur sometime in 2011 (the 10th anniversary year of the attacks), however in the aftermath of Ward's grim assessment the media began reporting that delays would push the opening back until 2013 at the earliest"

then what was the official finishing date year until now?

They are pouring concrete near the north core. Might be that they are finally getting the floors that will be providing sheer support to allow the north core to go up again.

They are pouring concrete near the north core. Might be that they are finally getting the floors that will be providing sheer support to allow the north core to go up again.

north core to go up AGAIN?

you mean north core to go up FINALLY. LOL

hope I see north core go up this month, and most likely it will.

difficult to see where exactly the pour, i woldn't be so sure that it is the core

Port Authority shocker: Trade Center making progress
Report due Thursday to conclude Silverstein can finish on schedule.

October 1, 2008

The Port Authority of New York & New Jersey is slated to announce Thursday that it will meet all its obligations to lay the groundwork that will allow Larry Silverstein to complete the three towers he is developing at World Trade Center site by 2012 as scheduled, sources say.

Thursday’s report, these say sources, will be nowhere near as bleak as imagined last June.

One source attributes the new, more optimistic view of progress at Ground Zero to design and engineering changes made in recent weeks. Currently, the Port Authority's Freedom Tower, like Mr. Silverstein’s buildings, are due to be finished by 2012.
Great news indeed

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Port Authority shocker: Trade Center making progress
Report due Thursday to conclude Silverstein can finish on schedule.

October 1, 2008

The Port Authority of New York & New Jersey is slated to announce Thursday that it will meet all its obligations to lay the groundwork that will allow Larry Silverstein to complete the three towers he is developing at World Trade Center site by 2012 as scheduled, sources say.

Thursday’s report, these say sources, will be nowhere near as bleak as imagined last June.

One source attributes the new, more optimistic view of progress at Ground Zero to design and engineering changes made in recent weeks. Currently, the Port Authority's Freedom Tower, like Mr. Silverstein’s buildings, are due to be finished by 2012.

:banana::banana:


difficult to see where exactly the pour, i woldn't be so sure that it is the core

I would say its def. not a core

It looks like they're focusing on getting the underground areas finished before they start on the actual tower portion.

One thing I've noticed in the recent pictures - the north (or is it the south?) side of the core is not as long as the other side. I wonder why that is and why it has been sitting at the same level for months now. I assume the core is not going to be lopsided, so are they eventually going to extend that part of the core so that it is symmetrical with the side that is above street level?

:lol:

"The increased cost of One World Trade Center, the Freedom Tower, is due to price escalation and project changes, including increasing the size of the observation deck from one to two levels and reducing the restaurant to one level to accommodate the projected number of visitors to the rooftop location."

NEW YORK (Reuters) - The Freedom Tower, centerpiece of the plan to rebuild Manhattan's World Trade Center, will not be completed until 2013, well past the original target date of 2009, the landowning agency for the site said on Thursday.

The 1,776-foot (541-meter) tower, which is meant to symbolize the city's revival after the September 11, 2001 attacks, will cost $3.1 billion, said Christopher Ward, executive director of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey.

"The increased cost of One World Trade Center, the Freedom Tower, is due to price escalation and project changes, including increasing the size of the observation deck from one to two levels and reducing the restaurant to one level to accommodate the projected number of visitors to the rooftop location."
I agree with all your observations regarding reasons the price has increased except for the changes to the observation deck/restaurant. That change should reduce the price to a degree since the observation area will not require any where near the amount of utilities and construction that the restraunt area would. Of course for this project anything is an excuse to raise the price!

Ladies & Gentlemen, Your New and Improved WTC Timetable! (Results Not Guaranteed.)
Thursday, October 2, 2008, by Joey

http://curbed.com/archives/2008/10/02/ladies_gentlemen_your_new_and_improved_wtc_timetable_results_not_guaranteed.php#more


http://curbed.com/uploads/2008_10_timetable.jpg
The Port Authority issued its long-awaited report setting a new road map for the rebuilding of the World Trade Center site, the ass-kicking, name-taking final say on when our city's great shame will be replaced by memorials, museums, trains and gleaming glass towers filled with worker bees of uncertain employment. Now, the issued press release just deals with the parts of the plan the Port Authority is in charge of (Freedom Tower, Santiago Calatrava's PATH station, the extension of Greenwich Street, etc.), but it is believed that developer Larry Silverstein will deliver Towers 3 and 4 in 2012, and Tower 2 (the diamondy one) a year later. On to the details!

September 11, 2011: As previously reported, the aim is to have the September 11 Memorial open for the tenth anniversary of the attacks. According to the PA, "To make this commitment, the Port Authority developed a construction solution that allows the roof of the World Trade Center Transportation Hub’s mezzanine to be built first instead of last as had been originally programmed. That roof will serve as the floor of the Memorial Plaza and allow the project to be accelerated."

2012: The Vehicle Security Center, the underground access point for the commercial development on the site and one of the tricky projects that has been holding everything back, will be completed between the first and third quarters of 2012.

2012: The new Greenwich Street, "the front door to Towers 2, 3 and 4, and a key access point to the Memorial" will be completed between the second and fourth quarters of 2012. Hey, that's ahead of schedule!

2013: The underground September 11 Museum will be completed between the first and second quarters of 2013.

2013: One World Trade Center, aka the Freedom Tower, is scheduled for completion between the second and fourth quarters of 2013.

2013-2014: Oh, Santiago. The World Trade Center Transportation Hub will be completed between the fourth quarter of 2013 and the second quarter of 2014 (we'll go ahead and assume 2014), at a cost of $3.2 billion. By the way, that's more expensive than the Freedom Tower, which will cost $3.1 billion.


And there you have it. One thing that seems to be forgotten is the Frank Gehry-designed Performing Arts building, the white block between the Freedom Tower and Tower 2 in the model shot above. Did they just kill the thing, or is that crazy GehryTheaterTrain idea across the street still in play? Oh, and then there's the Fulton Transit Hub, and whatever's going up when the Deutsche Bank Building comes down, and—oh, forget it. Port Authority, it's your moment, baby!

Sunshine Coast Daily (http://www.thedaily.com.au)

World Trade Centre site projects delayed

Published 6:04a.m. 3rd October 2008


Owners of the World Trade Center site scaled back designs for a multibillion-dollar transit hub and delayed other projects by several years.
They said costs will still be more than $US1 billion ($A1.27 billion) over budget.

In a widely awaited 70-page report on the rebuilding of ground zero, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey said the elaborate rail hub will cost $US3.2 billion ($A4 billion), $US700 million ($A887 million) more than planned, and should open in 2014, five years after the original completion date.

The planned memorial to the September 11, 2001, attacks will be finished by the 10th anniversary, the report said, except that some of the 500 trees in a cobblestone plaza may not be planted and a visitor's centre may not be open.

Governor David Paterson and Mayor Michael Bloomberg had publicly urged the agency to guarantee completion by the anniversary.

An underground September 11 museum should open in 2013, four years later than originally planned.

Completion of the signature project, a 541-metre Freedom Tower now under construction, is about $US200 million ($A253.71 million) over budget and will be delayed several months to 2013.

The agency did not set schedules for four other office towers planned for the site or for a performing arts centre, and did not issue a final budget for the memorial.

"While we still face many challenges ahead, we believe we have created a level of certainty and control over this project that has been missing since its inception," the agency's executive director, Christopher Ward, said in a letter to Paterson.

Port Authority officials declined to take questions after releasing the report, saying they would join the governor at an afternoon news conference.

Ward said he realised the new deadlines "will be met with a degree of skepticism".

Deadlines for almost every project at the site have changed since plans were first introduced in 2003.

Ward acknowledged the new schedule could also change.
"I cannot promise that we will meet every single milestone every step of the way," he wrote.

Bloomberg, who chairs the foundation building the memorial, and foundation officials had pressured the agency to commit to a 10th anniversary opening, saying the public must be able to visit the area by that symbolic date.

...right when you think that this mediocre tower planned by the most pathetic agency on earth (Port Authority) has bottomed out in terms of construction timetables... they tell you 2013...lol... why even continue to build this monstrosity.

It's just another 5-years...lol. The next President won't see this thing built, lo.

Oh it's you again. hmmmm I could careless when they say it will be done. They need to throw out the timeline all together. Then maybe it will get done. Tower 1 will be done in less then 3 years. With the way our money is going who knows.

:lol:

By all means, if you know what the deal is with that side of the core then let me know. I realize it is difficult due to the PATH tracks, but as I said it isn't a complete rectangle like the other side and I don't know why.

So what exactly will be with this transit hub? Anyone? Are they using the Calatrava's
design or they scrapped it altogether?

^^ They are using the same design, just the mezzanine will be slightly changed.

Oh it's you again. hmmmm I could careless when they say it will be done. They need to throw out the timeline all together. Then maybe it will get done. Tower 1 will be done in less then 3 years. With the way our money is going who knows.

It's unpredictable right now.

LOL about the last article that mentioned the delays, we had a simmilar article months ago with nearly the same content.

So i say:
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/6462/oldnewsrq5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I know i was one of the ones, that have complained about the progress on the site. But hey now it´s really progressing well. Everything is UC now. The memorials structural construction makes noticable progress, they removed the temporary PATH terminal, are preparing the foundations of tower 2 - 4 and so on. I think NOW the progress seems to be pretty good, compared to the past "construction" activities on the site.

The south side of the south core has clean black floor of area ready for possibly concrete pour.

That tower is going along nicely!

Update Sep. 24th, '08
- The tower is well above ground level -
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This building won't top out for another 15 years if the core is only growing at this rate. Its ridiculously slow. Anyone know when more steel is going to be erected and the next crane??

I guess the core grew up a little bit...

I think the south core will rise again before north does; which is hasnt for several months. On the top of perimeters of south core there're jungle of rebers sticking out and not on the north core's.

There is not much progress at the memorial (the North Tower part).
I don't see new steel beams at the site after a few days.
It that because of the big ramp or that they are working at the path-terminal?

^^ They first need to finish the slurry wall reinforcement along the 9W avenue. When all the scaffolding is removed they have more space to install the steel structure at once. :)

;26150734']There is not much progress at the memorial (the North Tower part).
I don't see new steel beams at the site after a few days.
It that because of the big ramp or that they are working at the path-terminal?

Well pal that's the one part that is going to get done first. Before anything else just for the 10th anniversary I am sure you know that. So progress will be getting more and more obvious with the coming months.:) I can’t imagine them failing that deadline.

This building won't top out for another 15 years if the core is only growing at this rate. Its ridiculously slow. Anyone know when more steel is going to be erected and the next crane??

As soon as the whole thing is above ground it will rise quickly. :)

but until we are on that point we've to wait a quite long time :D

As soon as the whole thing is above ground it will rise quickly. :)

I Hope.:banana:

For now... slow, very slow (financial crisis?):bowtie:

but until we are on that point we've to wait a quite long time :D

But time flies having fun so that's what I'm going to do!:cheers:

Below is the revised timeline schedule from the Oct 1 report (page 50) by the Port Authority.

Q4 2008: Foundations complete, Complete south core shear walls to grade

Q1 2009: Begin Fulton Street deck (the street between 1 WTC and Memorial plaza).

Q3 2009: Concrete slabs to grade substantially complete

Q4 2009: Begin erection of tower steel

Q2 2010: Start spray fireproofing

Q4 2010: Start curtainwall installation

Q2 2011: Complete installation of podium glass

Q3 2011: Complete core shear walls to 93rd floor

Q4 2011: Complete tower steel erection to roof

Q1 2012: Complete spray fireproofing

Q3 2012: Complete curtain wall (excluding hoist area)

Q4 2013: Building complete

^^ damn that's a lot of work ahead. hopefully materials cost will give this place a break in the future.

yeah but i think the cost is about to skyrocket cause of u.s problems. has it be effected much cause of u.s money probs

yeah but i think the cost is about to skyrocket cause of u.s problems. has it be effected much cause of u.s money probs

Hard to say. Construction material costs have gone up thanks to the pace of construction in China and the Middle East but as things cool off there, and the US Dollar rebounds, material costs might actually come down.

^^ Interesting theory, it's good to live in Europe!:lol:

;26176312']^^ Interesting theory, it's good to live in Europe!:lol:

europe will be affected too because of imports from other countries

europe will be affected too because of imports from other countries

That's true but for the last months it was really cheap buying stuff in the US because of the dollar vs the euro (€1,00 was $1,60 at one time).:lol:
But let's get back on-topic because it's about the Freedom Tower not the economy.

http://i35.tinypic.com/2cftuzt.jpg

Growing fast... :)

That's only half of the core rising above grade. The other half of the core and the floors built to date are still below grade, but accoding to someone involved with it at WNY, two more tower cranes will be erected when the entire buiding reaches grade; I assume it will happen somewhere in 2009.

Their is still a lot of work to go on the basement levels. The new schedule says it won't be finished by early 2nd half of next year (Q3 '09).

Most of the noticeable progress that is going to be made over the next year will be the Memorial plaza. I believe most of the roof (ground level) in the northern section should be finished. So their will be some tangible progress on the site. Maybe even the footprints of the old WTC's will be visible.

But 1WTC is not going to rise much (if at all) in the next 6-9 months or so. A lot of progress will be made on the north core, and the south core will fill out to the steel beams.

I think we'll see 4WTC and maybe even 3WTC rise "quicker" than 1WTC over 2009. Those sites have far more room to work with, much less congestion.

They really put everything upside down!:nuts:
The Memorial Plaza will be finished first and then the museum and the path mezzanine.
So when the plaza is finished the webcams are useless if you want a view under ground level.:lol:

^^ Eh? The webcam is on the roof of a 550 foot building.

^^Correct and thus they won't be able to see what's happening underground once the plaza decking is in place! :bash:

No but we will get to see the above ground construction like the towers and above ground portion of the memorial.

^^Correct and thus they won't be able to see what's happening underground once the plaza decking is in place! :bash:

And once the decking in place that means there is nothing to see underground...:lol:

Of the Memorial that is, just like we cant see what they are doing under the current floor of WTC 1

yeah i agree, thats the bad thing. As long as our dollar goes down, costs are going to soar. Also, demand from foreign countries will have to slow too. I think China and India have driven the price of concrete, copper, and basically every building material out of this world.

PORT AUTHORITY LAUNCHES NEW WTC WEB SITE WITH FIRST LIST OF KEY MILESTONES

http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/index.html

yeah i agree, thats the bad thing. As long as our dollar goes down, costs are going to soar. Also, demand from foreign countries will have to slow too. I think China and India have driven the price of concrete, copper, and basically every building material out of this world.

Dollar is rising actually - modestly, but going up.

Interesting site ^^

;26182810']That's true but for the last months it was really cheap buying stuff in the US because of the dollar vs the euro (€1,00 was $1,60 at one time).:lol:
But let's get back on-topic because it's about the Freedom Tower not the economy.

I like this quote, though I don't remember who it's from...
"It is nowhere written that the American Empire goes on forever."

Back on the tower topic...
I'll be glad once we see some floors rising...

They're trying to blame our money problems on the housing market. But I like to think other wise. Look at the price of gas. Must americans are working to put gas in the tank, so they can get to work. Gas has driving up the price of everything. And if you look gas has jump more since Bush has been president. And he hasn't done anything to stop it. But money isn't the reason why this building is going slow. To be the safes building in the world it going to take time. And theres the things going on in the background behind close doors.

go on.

Why no new pictures?

I havent really seen any pictures latley.

Also, How come they have decided not to start steel erection until the end of 2009? I think they should still work on the Freedom Tower and not stop

Why no new pictures?

I havent really seen any pictures latley.

Also, How come they have decided not to start steel erection until the end of 2009? I think they should still work on the Freedom Tower and not stop

:ohno: Oh and Britney Spears sucks. Why are there so many trolls on this forum? :gaah:

:ohno: Oh and Britney Spears sucks. Why are there so many trolls on this forum? :gaah:

hahaha :lol: what else is new....

:ohno: Oh and Britney Spears sucks. Why are there so many trolls on this forum? :gaah:

Why dont you grow up this sint about Britney Spears its about the freedom tower...the only "troll" I see are you and the guy above me

and she dosent suck...you do:lol:

Chris Crocker is a member of this forum :runaway:

Chris Crocker is a member of this forum :runaway:

Exscuse me? Hell no am I that freak.

Is it such a big deal that I like her? Seriously its just a name...how about we talk about the important and RELEVANT topics like oh I dont know...THE FREEDOM TOWER....this thread is about it not Britney Spears jesus!:bash:

Exscuse me? Hell no am I that freak.

Is it such a big deal that I like her? Seriously its just a name...how about we talk about the important and RELEVANT topics like oh I dont know...THE FREEDOM TOWER....this thread is about it not Britney Spears jesus!:bash:

please stop wasting server space with retarded comments, thank you and back to the topic



US firm increases Ground Zero work time to reduce delays

US contractors plan to increase working time on the Ground Zero project by one quarter to reduce the late running scheme.

Senior vice president of main contractor Tishman Construction, James Durkin, told Construction News the company will raise the working hours onsite as the scheme came under heavy criticism for being behind schedule.

He said the company plans to lengthen the existing 7am till 3pm day to 12-hours to reduce the impact of delays to the scheme to rebuild the site left by the collapse of the World Trade Centre in 2001.

There are currently 1,000 contractors on the site, which will include four office towers and an arts centre and this will rise to approximately 9,000 at the height of the project.

He blamed the late running on the complexity of the work and that "the scheme has multiple architects". Contractors have also encountered an unexpected layer of glacial clay, which forced them to excavate to an additional level of approximately 10m.

In June, Govenor David Paterson a 70-page report, published on Thursday, after skeptics claimed the project was mired in confusion and needed reevaluation.

Contractors are currently racing to complete a memorial to those who died at the World Trade Centre disaster by its tenth anniversary in 2011.

When questioned, Mr Durkin agreed that this could be at the expense of other elements of the project.

He said: "Getting priorities right is always something that can be difficult on a job but it's got to be finished on time."

Contractors are also working on a $3.2bn transit hub to replace the Metro centre destroyed in the disaster and the $3.1bn Freedom Tower.

http://www.cnplus.co.uk/plant/news/2008/10/us_firm_increases_ground_zero_work_time_to_reduce_delays.html


ALSO New website is open for ground zero:

http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/index.html

New pictures are there


http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/7954/wtcaeriallabelledfr8.jpg

please stop wasting server space with retarded comments, thank you and back to the topic



US firm increases Ground Zero work time to reduce delays

US contractors plan to increase working time on the Ground Zero project by one quarter to reduce the late running scheme.

Senior vice president of main contractor Tishman Construction, James Durkin, told Construction News the company will raise the working hours onsite as the scheme came under heavy criticism for being behind schedule.

He said the company plans to lengthen the existing 7am till 3pm day to 12-hours to reduce the impact of delays to the scheme to rebuild the site left by the collapse of the World Trade Centre in 2001.

There are currently 1,000 contractors on the site, which will include four office towers and an arts centre and this will rise to approximately 9,000 at the height of the project.

He blamed the late running on the complexity of the work and that "the scheme has multiple architects". Contractors have also encountered an unexpected layer of glacial clay, which forced them to excavate to an additional level of approximately 10m.

In June, Govenor David Paterson a 70-page report, published on Thursday, after skeptics claimed the project was mired in confusion and needed reevaluation.

Contractors are currently racing to complete a memorial to those who died at the World Trade Centre disaster by its tenth anniversary in 2011.

When questioned, Mr Durkin agreed that this could be at the expense of other elements of the project.

He said: "Getting priorities right is always something that can be difficult on a job but it's got to be finished on time."

Contractors are also working on a $3.2bn transit hub to replace the Metro centre destroyed in the disaster and the $3.1bn Freedom Tower.

http://www.cnplus.co.uk/plant/news/2008/10/us_firm_increases_ground_zero_work_time_to_reduce_delays.html


ALSO New website is open for ground zero:

http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/index.html

New pictures are there


http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/7954/wtcaeriallabelledfr8.jpg


Uhm exscuse me im not the one with the freaking retarded comments its the people that keep saying stuff to me that has nothing to do with this.

Anyway nice information...ts hope construction goes smoothly from here on in

Calm down people.

If the steel erection isn't gonna happen for more than a year from now on, let it be and all we can do is be patient because at the end of the day we're not the ones constructing this supertall skyscraper.

The picture is a bit old the steel at the former North Tower is much less than the images on the webcams.

hes gonna make them work 12 hour days the article says? why doesn't he already have 3 shifts going on this thing.

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/7954/wtcaeriallabelledfr8.jpg

Thanks for the notes in the pic :)

thanks :cheers:

hes gonna make them work 12 hour days the article says? why doesn't he already have 3 shifts going on this thing.

Union workers get paid extra to work night shifts.

Cool new site, I just wish that they would finally upload the new renderings of the memorial and pavillion in full resolution like the other renderings, rather than the small sizes with text layed over it. That was the main thing I was hoping to find on the new site, but alas was disappointed. Anyone know where we can download the new renderings in high res?

By the way, is anyone else getting an error message when they try to open this PDF with a quarterly update on the WTC site milestones?

http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/pdf/wtc_milestones.pdf

Or is it just me?

^^ no errors here with FF3.

Anyway here's a picture to cheer you up :lol:
http://www.wtcrising.com/images/FE/chain217siteType8/site187/client/photoGallery/189/D2B0AB20-7E93-EE10-E8521F968F9A6F2B_big.jpg

They are getting closer and closer to street level :cheers:

They are getting closer and closer to ground level :cheers:

Just one level right?:cheers:

^^ yes, this is the last level before street level :)

By the way, is anyone else getting an error message when they try to open this PDF with a quarterly update on the WTC site milestones?

http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/pdf/wtc_milestones.pdf

Or is it just me?

No problem here with IE! The problem must be on your end.

Well they did say that foundations would be complete and the south or north core(whichever ones the one below grade) would be to grade and the sement levels would be to grade by the end of this year!!

thanx for that photo tag one, it really shows how massive this site is and can't underestimate the speed of this construction by looking at the site on webcam where it looks tinier than the tip of the little finger.

I think what is making this seem so friggin long is the presence of the tower cranes. those things have been erected since spring of 07 and haven't moved a vertical inch since. Usually when these things are put up, it's go time.

if you go back in this thread to the pages in the 40s and 50s, there was great excitement at the installation of these cranes.

SHE DOSENT NEED REHAB ANYMORE!!!:banana:

Anyways yes lets stay on topic..In all seriousness..im a bit frustrated that they are not going to be doing any work on the freedom tower in the first half of 2009!:ohno:

why? we all want it too be built as quickly as it can be built and the timeline didnt mention anything about the height of the core so im sure the core will be a good 10 floors by the time Q3 2009 rolls around.

why? we all want it too be built as quickly as it can be built and the timeline didnt mention anything about the height of the core so im sure the core will be a good 10 floors by the time Q3 2009 rolls around.

Probobly..Hopefully more work will be done by then..becuase Q3 is when steel erectiob begins or Q4 correct? But there main focus is the memorial

Probobly..Hopefully more work will be done by then..becuase Q3 is when steel erectiob begins or Q4 correct? But there main focus is the memorial

Q3- the memorial won't be finished until late 2012. It will only be "open" on the 10th anniversary, and then it will close again for more work. Yes its true.

Q3- the memorial won't be finished until late 2012. It will only be "open" on the 10th anniversary, and then it will close again for more work. Yes its true.

How sad..the memorial should be finished by 2011 and be permant.

Q3...Thats about what..September...or October right?

How sad..the memorial should be finished by 2011 and be permant.

Q3...Thats about what..September...or October right?

yea

you guys have to remember that Freedom tower is NOT on a top of to do list, memorial is. :)

you guys have to remember that Freedom tower is NOT on a top of to do list, memorial is. :)

Yes but something has to rise on that site along with the memorial. Its been a big hole for too long.

Im pretty sure the memorial and the Freedom Tower will be the first to go up fast, and the freedom tower will be first to reach the sky:)

4WTC is expected to be finished before 1WTC. 3WTC will also have quite a bit of progress completed as well (maybe even topped-out before 1WTC).