http://rebuildgroundzero.org/
On this site they have this webcam you can look up each moment of the day that you want.
What I really like is the position (freedom tower and memorial at the front and tower 2, 3 and 4 at the back).
But the cam has no some technical issues so somebody knows what's going on here?

;26323872']http://rebuildgroundzero.org/
On this site they have this webcam you can look up each moment of the day that you want.
What I really like is the position (freedom tower and memorial at the front and tower 2, 3 and 4 at the back).
But the cam has no some technical issues so somebody knows what's going on here?

seems like it's not working, just use earthcam

Q3- the memorial won't be finished until late 2012. It will only be "open" on the 10th anniversary, and then it will close again for more work. Yes its true.

There was talk of this by the Port Authority, but it was hotly rejected by the memorial foundation who said that this would be unacceptable, and that once it opened it would have to stay open. The 70-page October progress report says nothing about the memorial being open for the 10th anniversary and then closing again... it says the memorial will be COMPLETED for the 10th anniversary, though the museum and pavillion won't open for another year and a half or so.

POURING CONCRETE ON THE WESTERN SIDE.

POURING CONCRETE ON THE WESTERN SIDE.

and eastern too :)

^^ no errors here with FF3.

Anyway here's a picture to cheer you up :lol:
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They are getting closer and closer to street level :cheers:
Great pic :)

WOOOO!!! look at that change of floor at south western corner, its like bulk of floor created, what a change.

and eastern too :)

I don't see any pouring at eastern side at anytime today.

And finally, how many floors are there under the floor we're seeing now around the core?

Will this thing get built straight away considering america is probably going to go into a recession?:ohno:

I hope it does get built , but where is the money coming from ????

cheers

Lozza

Ward and Port Authority Chairman Anthony Coscia also said they do not believe the current crisis on Wall Street will have any long-term impact on financing the project or future tenancy in the five office towers to be erected on the World Trade Center site.
"We (New York) will remain the financial center of the world and Lower Manhattan will remain that home," Ward said.
"We've built some of our most iconic structures during the Depression era," Coscia said.

95 percent of the contracts needed to complete the $3 billion-plus Freedom Tower have been signed.

WOOOO!!! look at that change of floor at south western corner, its like bulk of floor created, what a change.



I don't see any pouring at eastern side at anytime today.

And finally, how many floors are there under the floor we're seeing now around the core?

I believe the building has 6 basement levels. So I'm guessing at least 3 floors underneath the one they just put in. It's great to see some visible progress around the site.

^^ no there are only 4 basement levels. They are currently working on the third level :)

^^ no there are only 4 basement levels. They are currently working on the third level :)

It depends on how you look at it, but if you consider the concrete which was poured on top of the bedrock as being the 1st level, then they're currently working on the 4th and final level (or should I say the 1st level? either way, I mean the top highest level). The only thing that's left to do is to finish the floor for this level and to start working on the lobby level, which will be the ceiling for this level.

Does anyone know what the Port Authority is talking about in their October progress report where they say that the Freedom Tower will be "significantly" to street level by Q4 2009? They seem to be implying that the building won't even be completely to street level in a year from now. They have only one floor left to COMPLETE (half of it is already done) before they can start working on the floor for the lobby, at which point the building will be at street level no matter HOW you look at it (core/steel columns/floor). I have no idea how they can estimate it'll take another year to finish half a floor.

I think there will be soon a concrete pour on the southern core, they closed the scaffolding.

^^ and after that nearly whole floor is done. Then the last basement floor before the ground floor will start. Good Progress.

Q4 2009: Begin erection of tower steel
For those who were freaking out about this, I think it means that they won't start building the office tower section until that time, but we'll see the podium/mech/lobby section with the first floors go up. It really doesn't matter since it's progressing well right now.

Correct me if i am wrong:crazy:, but back when they build the old towers, didn't they build a floor per week?(Can't remember where I have heard this). Of cause this is the typical floors I am talking about. Is this going to be the same goal on the Freedom?

That would be an incredible feat if they did^^^

Believe me I had my doubts too, but since somebody has written it somewhere, I just needed some confirmation:nuts:. There could be a explanation that I didn't know of.

One floor per week isn't very uncommon. Once they get the system set up on the common floors, they certainly should be able to achieve such a goal. The fastest skyscrapers rise at 2 floors a week or even slightly faster.

One floor per week isn't very uncommon. Once they get the system set up on the common floors, they certainly should be able to achieve such a goal. The fastest skyscrapers rise at 2 floors a week or even slightly faster.

So it could be right? :cheer:

Looks like a very late night pour. hard to see where the concrete arm is right now, but there are 2 concrete trucks right up against the concrete pumper.

Q4 2009: Begin erection of tower steel
For those who were freaking out about this, I think it means that they won't start building the office tower section until that time, but we'll see the podium/mech/lobby section with the first floors go up. It really doesn't matter since it's progressing well right now.

I was referring to page 50 where it says "Concrete Slabs to Grade substantially complete", but now that I look at it again, I see that it's in the Q3 2009 row, not Q4 2009. This will mean that it will have taken about two and a half years for the tower to reach street level. Also, the original Twin Towers did go up at about a floor a week, but you have to remember that the original towers were designed completely different than the Freedom Tower. The steel-framed construction allowed for the steel columns to be assembled in three-story sections off site, trucked directly to the site and installed right away. The Freedom Tower (as well as all of the other buildings) have a concrete core, which means that it takes a lot longer for the workers to tediously put together a frame of steel rebar piece by piece before concrete can be poured, then they have to wait for it to dry.

Still, the Burj Dubai also has a concrete core and went up at about a floor a week, but I think that's just because they had their workers working insane shifts and long hours. I'd be happy if the Freedom Tower goes up at about a floor every 1 and a half weeks. The Port Authority has the topping out of the building in the Q4 2011 row, about 117 weeks after the tower reaches street level. The tower will be 102 floors high. That's about a floor every 1.15 weeks. Seems a bit optimistic to me, but let's hope.

It seems that last night pour was about 7 hours long. I believe they were pouring the southern core, which means it will jump once again.

^^ AHHHH I was hoping you would say northern core will jump, but progress is progress.

Yeah, I noticed yesterday on the webcam that the forms (or whatever they're called) for the south core were closed. They'll probably let it dry over the weekend and begin raising it on Monday. By the way, does anyone know how many feet (height wise) of concrete is poured for each jump?

I think the reason the north core is taking so long and is so far behind is because, as is stated in the October progress report, the PATH track runs directly through it (on one corner). I believe they're only able to work on it when they're able to temporarily shut down the path track. Once they get the section of it around the PATH tunnel finished, it should rise at the same rate as the southern core.

^^ I have been saying that for months lol.

And I believe it is 13-15 feet per pour of concrete.

Q4 2009: Begin erection of tower steel
For those who were freaking out about this, I think it means that they won't start building the office tower section until that time, but we'll see the podium/mech/lobby section with the first floors go up. It really doesn't matter since it's progressing well right now.


That would mean that we gotta wait for a year before the real fun starts?

A section of the basement just went up a level between the south core and the walkway arches. I hope someone can post some up up-close pics for all of us. :)

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i love the twins, but this is just trolling.

Dont post shit.

If they rebuild the twin towers nobody will go into them cause it brings bad memories and everyone will be scared of that happening all over again and wont even go in the towers. So I think new buildings are needed.

There has been no activity at all on the Tower 2 site for the past few days, which is actually a good sign since it means the PA is done with what they had to do and as mentioned will be turning the site over to Larry Silverstein in a day or two. All of Freedom Tower's friend's will be in some phase of construction soon.

come on now, kaz110. It wont happen anyway mate.

Rebuild The Twin Towers of the World Trade Center !

They have been blasted by people Twin Towers, they do not value which be complex that symboli WTC. There was fine building and but symbol case NYC, USA and whole world economies to brutal manner by people of authorities abolished 9/11.
It by band of plotter for maintenance of authority eighth miracle of world XX century abolished Twin Towers, in heart of manhatten winning of valuable area.

Rebuild The Twin Towers NOW !

^^ OK calm down, but you may want to say that to the authority because they're the ones that can change things init? I can arrange time to help you with protesting but we'll probaly be waisting time doing that anyway.

Kaz, chill out mate. All your screaming will get you no where. The WTC were beautiful buildings, but their flaws brought them down. The best way to pay respect is being done with the 2 memorials.

Rebuild The Twin Towers of the World Trade Center !

They have been blasted by people Twin Towers, they do not value which be complex that symboli WTC. There was fine building and but symbol case NYC, USA and whole world economies to brutal manner by people of authorities abolished 9/11.
It by band of plotter for maintenance of authority eighth miracle of world XX century abolished Twin Towers, in heart of manhatten winning of valuable area.

Rebuild The Twin Towers NOW !
Please read the first post before posting.

*if you think this tower sucks and prefer the original world trade center instead, this thread isn't for you.

consider this a warning in advance...
consider yourself reported

Rebuild The Twin Towers of the World Trade Center !

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NO FREEDOM TOWER, NO NEW WORLD TRADE CENTER, MURDERER SILVERSTEIN

^^ It's a 40-50 yr old design. Just because terrorists blew it up does not mean NYC should rebuild these old & outdated towers. Move on...:nuts:

You are strange americans . It was jealous each country Twin Towers but you complain else . It is inscribed to this landscape of city Twin Towers. There it mismatches Freedom. :ohno:

Rebulid Twin Towers... NOW

^^ It's too late to rebuild the twin towers...so get over it.

Ain't gonna happen, and don't blame Silverstein for it. Calm down.

Terrorists? They rule your state terrorist and it have blasted one of democracy symboli and mights (power) in order to manipulate you, cause war!

Thats right, we like war, and if you keep ranting we will declare war on you.

War was planned by your president but disruption was key opening door war WTC. There was not take-over but military operation from summer (year) planned !

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Lol, Larry is a little birdy. Tweet tweet. I love Larry. He's really one of the city's greatest developers ever for giving up so much to rebuild and being so frim about it.

Present government USA and it murderer Larry Silverstain, criminals and plotters which will kill personal citizens for cash office for personal benefit even.

God bless America :ohno:

War was planned by your president but disruption was key opening door war WTC. There was not take-over but military operation from summer (year) planned !

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/972/610xma3.jpg

Lol, Larry is a little birdy. Tweet tweet. I love Larry. He's really one of the city's greatest developers ever for giving up so much to rebuild and being so frim about it.

whats up with you L. Silverstein is a respectable man and the freedom tower is incredible!!

whats up with you L. Silverstein is a respectable man and the freedom tower is incredible!!

He should answer it for cooperation at disruption of complex dignified person ha criminal WTC and wanting as from indemnifications biggest cash office.

He should answer it for cooperation at disruption of complex dignified person ha criminal WTC and wanting as from indemnifications biggest cash office.

can you STFU!!! back to a topic f*** face.

can you STFU!!! back to a topic f*** face.

However, it truth that american nation is blind and everything has and somewhere all. You be glad it that does not have WTC and something will be 9/11 of joy new świętujecie. Somewhere it have been landed which (who) by people cash office have identical Twin Towers luczy and authority but it does not get around (does not celebrate) it americans that terrorists rule and they manipulate you, that from you patriots too :ohno:

There has been no activity at all on the Tower 2 site for the past few days, which is actually a good sign since it means the PA is done with what they had to do and as mentioned will be turning the site over to Larry Silverstein in a day or two. All of Freedom Tower's friend's will be in some phase of construction soon.

There's a new video on wtc.com about Tower 4 where a construction manager guy says that all of the underground work will be completed over the next few weeks and on December 1st, they'll start the "superstructure work" (meaning, steel columns?).

^^^^ so your not a american. If not why do you care what we build in our country. You should be happy, that we're moving on with the re-development of one of our greatest cities. Somebody attack us, that was asking for war, we give it to them. We destroyed whole cities, killed alot of bad guys. And I'm happy we made the basterd pay. Now I've moved on, no more blood shed.

Just ignore the guy. He's probably one of these clueless truthers who thinks Larry Silverstein profitted financially off of 9/11, as opposed to reality in which, those of us here who have been keeping up with things know, Larry received $4.55 billion in insurance and the rebuilding cost is at $16.5 billion, and many of Larry Silverstein's friends at Silverstein Properties died. As usual, just another hateful truther who has no idea what he's talking about.

That said, just ignore the moron. Truthers need help, not attention. He'll probably be banned shortly anyway.

Just ignore the guy. He's probably one of these clueless truthers who thinks Larry Silverstein profitted financially off of 9/11, as opposed to reality in which, those of us here who have been keeping up with things know, Larry received $4.55 billion in insurance and the rebuilding cost is at $16.5 billion, and many of Larry Silverstein's friends at Silverstein Properties died. As usual, just another hateful truther who has no idea what he's talking about.

That said, just ignore the moron. Truthers need help, not attention. He'll probably be banned shortly anyway.

That part is partially true. Here is a dose of reality:

Instead of renovation, Silverstein is rebuilding, funded by the insurance coverage on the property which 'fortuitously' covered acts of terrorism. Even better, Silverstein filed TWO insurance claims for the maximum amount of the policy, based on the two, in Silverstein's view, separate attacks. The total potential payout is $7.1 billion, more than enough to build a fabulous new complex and leave a hefty profit for the Silverstein Group, including Larry Silverstein himself.

However the court ruled that it was 2 different acts of terrorism. And gave him more profit than your number. I am not saying he was responsible for the attacks, but his wallet got fatter as a result and had the option to build this new beautiful complex instead of the old out-dated rusty WTC towers which were considered to be demolish since they were covered with asbestos and cleaning them would cost a lot and were dropping in value and were wasting more than were giving.

Basically a huge waste of the city resources to clean and maintain. So yes, it does sound as he was partially behind it, but we will never know. So for that crazy person who posted before, calm down!

And I hope we see more progress with the current construction site!

^^ The payout was $7.1 billion but nobody could pay him that amount of money, so he only got $2.2 billion right?

$16.5 billion is the amount needed to build the WHOLE site. The Port Authority is building the transit hub which will cost close to 4 billion (it was 3.4 billion in feb 2007, and it is higher now). Plus the amount of money that the 9/11 memorial is going to cost (around a billion?) and close to 3 billion on the construction of the freedom tower (which the PA is paying for, but silverstein is building).

a lot of people made money on 9/11... its a sad fact, but true, if you dont believe that then take an economics class. i am suprised tho at how much the memorial cost ($1 billion?) does that include the 9/11 museum too? or is it just the footprint fountains?

price including museum

a lot of people made money on 9/11... its a sad fact, but true, if you dont believe that then take an economics class. i am suprised tho at how much the memorial cost ($1 billion?) does that include the 9/11 museum too? or is it just the footprint fountains?

Thats true, Bin Laden and the "terrorists" didn't win or gain anything from it, now they have to hide and be careful with what they do, and The Bush Administration and all the insiders did, so i think its a collaboration. But lets stay on topic should we.

It wouldn't have actually been a bad idea...and would have been the ultimate 'middle finger up' to the Terrorist's
Rebuild the Twin Towers....so that two externally identical designs sit exactly where the old ones were.

Given the recent trend towards hypertall towers, the 400 something metre roof height of this tower does seem to make it somewhat underwhelming.

I find it dissappointing that NYC is not competing on a global scale anymore.

Given the recent trend towards hypertall towers, the 400 something metre roof height of this tower does seem to make it somewhat underwhelming.

I find it dissappointing that NYC is not competing on a global scale anymore.
In New York as well as the rest of the United States buildings are designed to be economically feasible not to show how wealthy someone is. In addition U.s. regulations prohibit buildings taller than 2000' this limit has never been tested and could probably be changed but challenging it would just add more cost to a building that was already economically unfeasible!

Let Dubai and other countries to become rich at America's expense spend the money on these frivolous towers and give some of their money back to the United States!

That part is partially true. Here is a dose of reality:

Instead of renovation, Silverstein is rebuilding, funded by the insurance coverage on the property which 'fortuitously' covered acts of terrorism. Even better, Silverstein filed TWO insurance claims for the maximum amount of the policy, based on the two, in Silverstein's view, separate attacks. The total potential payout is $7.1 billion, more than enough to build a fabulous new complex and leave a hefty profit for the Silverstein Group, including Larry Silverstein himself.

It wasn't just Silverstein's view. The judge in the case RULED that the two hijackings and two crashes be treated as two terrorist attacks. Also, Silverstein's original insurance policy was for $3.55 billion, which if doubled would equal $7.1 billion. However, Silverstein and several of his 24 insurers still had not completed the final negotiations and signed off on any final insurance policy, therefore several of the 24 insurers got out of having to pay double. So the amount he received was greater than the $3.55 billion, but still less than the full $7.1 billion he would have received had he completed signing the papers with several of his insurers.

This brings up another point: If Larry Silverstein knew the attacks were coming, why didn't he make sure to sign all of the papers with all of his insurers, to make sure that he would receive as much money as possible? Sure doesn't sound like the actions of someone who knew the attacks were coming to me...

However the court ruled that it was 2 different acts of terrorism. And gave him more profit than your number. I am not saying he was responsible for the attacks, but his wallet got fatter as a result and had the option to build this new beautiful complex instead of the old out-dated rusty WTC towers which were considered to be demolish since they were covered with asbestos and cleaning them would cost a lot and were dropping in value and were wasting more than were giving.

False. The asbestos was only applied to the lower 38 floors of the North Tower only when it was outlawed in 1970, at which point its application stopped. There was no asbestos above the 38th floor in the North Tower, nor in any of the South Tower. WTC7, built in the 1980s and also destroyed on 9/11, had no asbestos. Furthermore, the Port Authority wanted to sue its insurers in 1991 for them to cover the cost of removing the asbestos in the North Tower and estimated the cost at $200 million. (Truthers claim it was $600 million, but the article they refer to includes $400 million for JFK airport. The World Trade Center by itself was only $200 million.) The repair costs after the 1993 terrorist attack were over $500 million. $200 million was pocket change to the Port Authority, literally. Does it make sense for them to spend $16.5 billion in rebuilding costs, to avoid paying $200 million? Come on.

Let's try again, shall we? I'm re-opening this thread, only this time I won't hesitate to ban people who feel the need to disrupt it.

Please try to understand: this is a project thread, which consists of photos and discussions about the construction of the tower.

That means NO off-topic/political discussions/conspiracy theories, trolling or personal insults.

Thank you.

Thx for opening this thread wjfox, so where are we now?

I think the latest pictures showed the basement floors just one floor under street level. Am i right?

^^ Looks like it. Also they've put up some sort of bridge over the future West St connector.

Anybody have a news of any kind, from the pass few days?

the south core has risen one floor again :)

^^ indeed but there surely must be a specific reason why north core is not as active as the south.

the south core has risen one floor again :)
Sounds nice :)

^^ indeed but there surely must be a specific reason why north core is not as active as the south.

yes, there's a reason...you can find it in that thread :)

The South Core Riseth!

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From katelynrushe (http://flickr.com/photos/30205500@N06/)

That's a sweet pic :).

I like the sun window reflections, the construction site must be like a disco during the twilight work hours.

Is the south core rising first because it was the south tower that fell first?

It looks like this thing has grown alot, since the thread was lock.

Is the south core rising first because it was the south tower that fell first?


No, the south core is just easier to build.

Oh, makes sense. :-)

Oh, makes sense. :-)

wow umm that was just a stupid question

^^ Kinda was actually.

Basincreek - thanks for the great picture. This is a pivotal moment. I just realized that ever picture I've seen up until now has been looking down. This the first time we are looking up. I guess that is what skyscrapers are about

Bugs

While I see the south core rinsing, one question comes to me: Why there are two cores? All the other surpertall towers around the world have only one core (at least the boxy ones). And, it doesn't make sense since the usable space is considerably reduced.

^^
There may be a better answer to that but for one I think it’s for safety reasons.

You are strange americans . It was jealous each country Twin Towers but you complain else . It is inscribed to this landscape of city Twin Towers. There it mismatches Freedom. :ohno:

Rebulid Twin Towers... NOW

I am not sure but I think you have posted more or less 10 postings complaining or protesting the freedom Tower
May I (we) know your reasons. please?

I am not sure but I think you have posted more or less 10 postings complaining or protesting the freedom Tower
May I (we) know your reasons. please?

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=26906094&postcount=6317

^^
There may be a better answer to that but for one I think it’s for safety reasons.

Yup that's correct but I'm doubting if two cores really help.
Why not one big core?:nuts:

It's actually one core that is being built in two parts, a southern part and a northern part.

Very nice pic :cheers: ^^

The South Core Riseth!

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From katelynrushe (http://flickr.com/photos/30205500@N06/)

IT GOT SO BIGGGGGG...A LOT HAPPENS WHEN A THREAD IS LOCKED....:)

^^
There may be a better answer to that but for one I think it’s for safety reasons.

lets just build a massive block of pure concrete.... nobody will be able to knock that down.

lets just build a massive block of pure concrete.... nobody will be able to knock that down.

i know that would be beautiful :lol:

I came across this picture on the site of the AD newspaper (http://www.ad.nl).

http://www.ad.nl/multimedia/archive/00179/GROUNDLEVEL_179998a.jpg

Like it says in the newspaper, it is really "coming up".. :)

Wow, i think it´s growing faster than ever. From now, it wil rise much faster until structure tops out, i hope so.

It's definately exciting to see the core up this far, because with the next jump the crane will be going up also. :)

Nice that it is going up now. Was really about time. When its finished I will visit New York to admire this skyscraper and take some photos.

I came across this picture on the site of the AD newspaper (http://www.ad.nl).

http://www.ad.nl/multimedia/archive/00179/GROUNDLEVEL_179998a.jpg

AHhh those steel beams should be inside concrete within a month I should think. The currently visible floor is about to be gone.

Nice to see this baby rising. :cheers:

I noticed there are rebar columns setup with no steel beams inside them. Are they gonna be added in later on or they're pure concrete+rebar only?

One thing about the core discussion a few pages back, i don´t see it as two cores i see it more like one core divided in two pieces.

I went back like 10 pages and didnt find anything but I'm sure this has been discussed before....

how does the current Wall st crisis affect this development?? some of the very firms that are gone were probably set to occupy these buildings...no?


(great to see progress at the site btw)

^^ None of the Wall Street firms had sought space in any of these buildings except Merril Lynch however that fell through months ago, so it really doesn't affect this development (outside of the influx of more sq footage and raising the vacancy rate).

^^ None of the Wall Street firms had sought space in any of these buildings except Merril Lynch however that fell through months ago, so it really doesn't affect this development (outside of the influx of more sq footage and raising the vacancy rate).

is there a list of firms that have sought space in these buildings?

I came across this picture on the site of the AD newspaper (http://www.ad.nl).

http://www.ad.nl/multimedia/archive/00179/GROUNDLEVEL_179998a.jpg

The responses in the news article are hilarious!:nuts:
Ow wel looks like the tower will take shape.

They've been POURING since 8:15 this morning (not sure about pouring but concrete tube was there since 8:15) anyway its north side of the site and right hand side from the webcam view.

^^They are definitely pouring as there is a concrete truck against the pump. The quesiton is where are they pouring? Are they pouring above the PATH deck or are they pouring the north core. It is hard to tell because you can't see where the arm is pointing, however if the arm is still extended for another 3-4 hours it is probably the north core.

Nice to see this baby rising. :cheers:
...few months or even 1 or 2 years later this baby will be huge!! :cheers:

Why was this thread locked?
Plus, Im not excited at the rate of this construction, if the core is going to rise this rate, then this wont top out for years!

Maybe this tower will NEVER finish, oooo... scary isn't it?

no more complaints and lets enjoy every step of the way and every concrete tubes LOL.

Why was this thread locked?
Plus, Im not excited at the rate of this construction, if the core is going to rise this rate, then this wont top out for years!
The thread was locked because of the bullshit that posted here, the people who did that were banned. Just like the people that still want to go off topic in this thread in the future.

And yes it's going slow, there were some problems with the North core (the lower of the two parts) when that's is sorted both North and South core will probably go faster again.

One positive thing about the speed, it will be finished when the whole financial crisis is over! ;)

I think that now that the under grade work is done, this will start to shoot up. It happens with all towers.

What were the problems with the north core?

Bad batch of concrete was poured (under 14,000 p.s.i) which is well under compression strength that is required for freedom tower's lower portion of the structure. The concrete had too much air content inside it, with visible holes appearing on the surface of the concrete as well. Therefore al this bad batch of concrete was all scrapped out and re-poured. This is probaly the delay.

BTW I found a photo which people might no have seen before. I haven't...

http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2008/10/20/nyregion/20towercityroom.ready.html

MoMo, the financial crisis is having no impact on the WTC towers and Freedom Tower; 95% of the contracts have been given out and all the backing has been done.

There are no "problems" with the north core. Last I heard, it needed more time because it is being built by the tracks and will need special reinforcment due to a cantilever, but at grade and above grade, both cores are symmetrical. I think it might be a long time before the north core catches up since this skyscraper has to be insanely strong and no mistakes can be made.

Funny how the eye candy of a few feet can make the difference between 'no progress omg so slow its been the same hole for 6 years waAaAaah' and 'wow look at how fast it's going' when in reality it has been making steady progress since the core first started to grow. I predict it will remain at this pace until they reach about 180' above grade or maybe less then I bet the core will will go much faster.

The below grade work is still far from over because I think they have to complete the below grade work where the PAC and Fulton St would go before fully completing the below grade work on Freedom Tower, all of which could take as much as a year, but that doesn't mean parts of the tower can't rise.

MoMo, the financial crisis is having no impact on the WTC towers and Freedom Tower; 95% of the contracts have been given out.


I find this amazing and hard to believe. these buildings are not only huge and veryyyy expensive, they are also being built in the center of where the crisis is. (NYC financial district).

I'm very happy to hear there is no impact. but I have my doubts moving forward.

I think it did have an impact on the hub and other aspects of the WTC, but no changes have been made to the towers. Both the PA chairman and someone from Silverstein's team said that they can complete it.

Of course the crisis has no impact on the building progress, but it could have caused a problem with finding tenants for all the office space. And it might be even positive for the construction costs since other projects might not go ahead. For example building material prices could go down because of that.

But since the North core is still lagging behind I don't think we will see more steal beams on the outside and construction of the actual floors in the very near future.

^^ Worldwide steel prices have collapsed by 50% at least, and stock in both manufacturers and traders is piling up.

^^ Worldwide steel prices have collapsed by 50% at least, and stock in both manufacturers and traders is piling up.

Time to sell my ArcelorMittal shares.

Seems to me that this financial crisis will be over by mid to late next year. Stock prices will have reached their previous levels and everything will be fine. You have to realize that governments around the world have pumped around 2.5 trillion dollars into the banks.

They should buy their steel while the prices are still low!!!

Constructions of skyscrapers are normally (or even should be) determined by economics, but this tower is not just economics. They will build it for the sake of national pride.

And in long run, it is not a bad investment anyway. Empire State Building was completed in the middle of Great Depression but now generates lots of profit.

Time to sell my ArcelorMittal shares. !

They already fell to 20 from 50

Can anybody spot visible concrete on the north side of the construction site? Either that the concrete was poured below the currently visible floor. No biggy.

Some more shots from Flickr (by morrongiello):

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3288/2964761598_687dd00996.jpg?v=0

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3166/2966690993_1e079e7c36.jpg?v=0

thanks for the update, are the pics recent? I thought they are farther.

A few brand new pictures

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/1116/p1000105yf6.jpg

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/3212/p1000106tq1.jpg

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/7931/p1000108kh1.jpg

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/6706/p1000109jj7.jpg

^^ Not bad! :) Nice process! I am wondering when will they install two more luffing cranes? I recall long time ago someone on here mentioned that Freedom Tower will require four luffing cranes to get it built.

^^

At WNY
ZenSteelDude
September 22nd, 2008
All 4 Favco cranes at the WTC1 site well be jumped just as shown in Scumonkey's tutorial, 30 times. When you see the jumping frames being put on the crane towers you well know they are getting ready to jump. Loma has made arangements for 6000 feet of crane tower to be avalible as needed for the 4 cranes. As for taking them down, I have personal experance with that. Because there well be 4 cranes, the last one to the top will pull up the tower segments of the other cranes and lower them to the ground after taking down the cranes themselves.

I had a talk with the engineer for Tishman about the cranes becouse of the location of the south crane requires a call back after it is removed in order to install the railings for stair C. He told me the towers for all 4 cranes well run all the way to the roof. In other words, these are not climbing cranes where the base of the crane tower climbs up inside the core using hydrolic rams.

He said that the new cranes will be added on the sides of the building when everything reaches grade. I think that I read something that said the cranes could jack themselves up without the need of extra tower sections, but maybe I was thinking of something else or he could be wrong.

New pics are on Joe Woolhead's blog.


http://www.joewoolhead.blogspot.com/

nice pics kudos to all workers there :)

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/1116/p1000105yf6.jpg

Something happening indeed... :) in the core (in pic) i see 5 floors?

Nice. I hope things pick up now.

IMO for a faster progres they should have used DOKA, BRM or GROCON formwork (if the core does not change configuration often).

Nice. I hope things pick up now.

Not until they can get the northen core going up; they can only work on it for a few hours very early each morning because of the PATH tracks, but once they reach a certain point, things will be going better than ever.

Edit: A little off topic, but the memorial has reached grade.

^^ I think talking about the memorial is not a bit off-topic that's what ground zero is all about.
In the last two months the memorial is really taking shape!
By the way the webcams are not working?!:ohno:

^^ not for the first time either...

From wtc.com by Joe Woolhead

from street level

http://www.wtc.com/uploads/images/712x534/14_40_FT-Oct-21-2008_2.jpg

mh...wow...

YAY! looking good...

Very good ;)

From wtc.com by Joe Woolhead

from street level

http://www.wtc.com/uploads/images/712x534/14_40_FT-Oct-21-2008_2.jpg

The Freedom Tower should have been a twin towers look-alike but in a modern way.

The design FTW.

It's rising. :rock: That's going to be one big mother trucker when it's finished. :D

It's been grown for a while now, if only blind eyes could see. I can't see it slow down anytime soon but you never know.

Any progress is good progress. Nice photos!

There will be no expense spared with this main tower. I really think that they are going to build up the lobby to look quite glamorous. Something that will impress most people before they even get in line to ride a lift to the obs deck - It's not the tallest building (by far) being constructed right now, but it will probably one of the best towers ever built. There will be a serious "wow" factor coming from even the nimbys that didnt want this built - The memorial alone should be enough to create that impact!

Structural engineer WSP Cantor Seinuk has doubled it's staff on the Freedom Tower to help progress.

Timken® steel will be used to build the supporting legs of the Freedom Tower's spire.

The New York Power Authority has ordered 12 of UTC's 400 kilowatt fuel cells for the Freedom Tower and other WTC towers. The first of the fuel cells will be delivered to the Freedom Tower in January 2009. It will be owned and operated by the Port Authority.

One positive thing about the speed, it will be finished when the whole financial crisis is over! ;)

I think the financial crisis will be over by the time this tower is 1/3 done. When it's finished, the US economy will be in a healthy expansion led by the booming renewable energy sector.

I think the financial crisis will be over by the time this tower is 1/3 done. When it's finished, the US economy will be in a healthy expansion led by the booming renewable energy sector.
Yes, and again, everyone will take tons of mortages, to pay for $ 50.000 plastic surgeries, vacantions in Dubai, and buy crap that people don't need (like manolo blahnik shoes, louis vuitton bags, and so). :ohno:

Our excess is what make the world go around. and by 'around' I mean like a roller coaster.

Will the progress on the south core have to stop at one point to allow the north core to catch up? I mean, it can't always be way ahead, can it?

It's risen! FINALLY! :banana:

Sexy tower. *sigh* preys for the day Australia finally gets a supertall, or atleast something over 300m excluding the spire.

Go NY! I can't wait to come back and see the progress with my own eyes!

We've waited so long for this building to rise, and when it's finally rising the financial crisis is starting :S

We've waited so long for this building to rise, and when it's finally rising the financial crisis is starting :S



It'll be just like the Empire State Building and the Chrysler buildings. They were
completed in due time, right in the middle of the depression, without delay. The same will be the result for the Freedom Tower. No financial crisis will affect it whatsoever.

It's risen! FINALLY! :banana:

The north core? Doesn't seem to have, as far as I can tell.

It'll be just like the Empire State Building and the Chrysler buildings. They were
completed in due time, right in the middle of the depression, without delay. The same will be the result for the Freedom Tower. No financial crisis will affect it whatsoever.

Exactly right. One skyscraper that the financial crisis HAS had an effect on though is the Chicago Spire, which has been put on hold indefinitely until the mortgage crisis improves (which could be years). Though, I lost 100% of my interest in this project months ago due absolutely no visible progress happening in well over a year of "construction", so I couldn't care less. (That's not straying off topic TOO much!)

The north core? Doesn't seem to have, as far as I can tell.



Exactly right. One skyscraper that the financial crisis HAS had an effect on though is the Chicago Spire, which has been put on hold indefinitely until the mortgage crisis improves (which could be years). Though, I lost 100% of my interest in this project months ago due absolutely no visible progress happening in well over a year of "construction", so I couldn't care less. (That's not straying off topic TOO much!)

haha lol, keep up your american chin, well get through this

Pics taken on Oct 29, by Morrongiello (http://www.flickr.com/photos/33965463@N00/)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3063/2984501031_16813fa87f_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3154/2985247722_a3a41b2a1a_o.jpg

^^Great pictures, but you really need to give rid of your window so we don't give the reflections off it! :lol:

Well it seems like the guy may be taking those pictures from the World Financial Center, so I doubt the window could be opened.

Anyway, another section of the floor was poured today even though the northern core is behind the southern one. Once they finish working on that floor they will start working on the ground floor, but it seems like the northern core will have to go up first before they can work on the ground floor.

Can't you make pic's on that terrain ?

Well it seems like the guy may be taking those pictures from the World Financial Center, so I doubt the window could be opened.

Anyway, another section of the floor was poured today even though the northern core is behind the southern one. Once they finish working on that floor they will start working on the ground floor, but it seems like the northern core will have to go up first before they can work on the ground floor.

That's what I was going to say. I wish I could get into the WFC. Lucky guy.

It's risen! FINALLY! :banana:

you talk like is Jesus

Has what risen though...

I can see top floor visible is spreading around the core and now the north core is actually sinking into it.

finally, its rising

Nah, you're about a year too late; the core first started "rising" in the area of November 2007 and the steel long before that.

Has what risen though...

I can see top floor visible is spreading around the core and now the north core is actually sinking into it.

I think that the floor they are working on might go over part of the northern core since both sides of the core will be symmetrical by the time they reach grade.

Pics taken on Oct 29, by Morrongiello (http://www.flickr.com/photos/33965463@N00/)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3063/2984501031_16813fa87f_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3154/2985247722_a3a41b2a1a_o.jpg
Nice pics... without the glass of your window will be much much better

Nice pics... without the glass of your window will be much much better

and your post would look better without quoting pictures all over again :ohno:

Nice pics... without the glass of your window will be much much better

He wouldn't get same view unless he had a jetpack. (helicopter would be too dangerous of course)

Its only a floor away from reaching a ground level (the west side, not east side where its 2 floors away) and the white arches would be under the ground floor. But aren't the white arches suppose to be in the ground floor? I can't quite make sense of it.

does construction continue at night, just curious

^^no

^^ It's the city that never sleeps but they quit at night?:nuts:

They work at night on different parts. The lights have been focused on the northern part of the core a lot recently.

They've started some of their concrete pours at 3-4 AM.

wow that sounds incredible. that city really doesn't sleep.

^^no

plz don't jump to conclusions ok? :bash:

;27462098']^^ It's the city that never sleeps but they quit at night?:nuts:
:D

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=343776&page=7

Polish thread about Freedom Tower with very good pictures:

You're right; that thread has many very good pictures on the last two pages, including some I've never seen.

great pics thanks

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=343776&page=7

Polish thread about Freedom Tower with very good pictures:

Hey, those were some really good pics, thanks for the link..:):)

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=343776&page=7

Polish thread about Freedom Tower with very good pictures:

Why do we have separate thread for Freedom Tower based on different language? I think it would be easier for this thread to be translated into different languages by having language options for every users around the world. We all can share the information and pictures on one thread.

Anyway, I love the pictures! I wish they would post same pictures on here too.

Go New York with Freedom

"Forum Polskich Wieżowców" (The Polish Skyscrapers Forum) has some threads about spectacular project (e.g Freedom Tower or Barj Dubaj) in special section called "Za Granica" ("Abroad").

/end OT/

^^ OMG

Cheers .kp, the polish thread has all the photos I never seen before, like close up shot during construction. Only disadvantage is I can't read Polish and Kon133 never post good photos in supertall section.

IS this train left there?

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/9008/4j9z7119yb6.jpg

The steel columns aren't thin at all

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/3155/img7993fi6.jpg

^^ In response to the first picture, the path train isn't left there, the tracks where build over the south tower's footprint. This means that they build the south tower pool over the path tracks.

wow what is a train doing in the middle of the construction site..im completely confused now?

wow what is a train doing in the middle of the construction site..im completely confused now?

The PATH tracks run directly through the site as they did under the old world trade center towers. That's one of the things that has made much of the early construction very difficult. A temporary station has to be maintained and the entrance has been moved it.

this will be the best tower ever.

wow that sounds incredible. that city really doesn't sleep.

It doesn't. I've been there all hours & there is always some level of activity even in winter.

New photos in next post? :)

- A

The PATH tracks run directly through the site as they did under the old world trade center towers. That's one of the things that has made much of the early construction very difficult. A temporary station has to be maintained and the entrance has been moved it.

The tracks are likely also slowing down work on the parts of the northern part of the core since they can only work in certain areas during the times when no trains go by, but once the core goes up some more all of the annoyances caused by the PATH tracks will be a thing of the past.

New pics. There was a huge white crane on the site over the weekend but it was for erecting steel over the PATH tracks.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3178/3001619851_131cc5f1ec_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3221/3002455942_5ed54c9fbb_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2198/3002455850_77089889db_o.jpg

Thanks to Greenwich Boy over at Wired NY.:)

In other news it looks like they are close to pouring another pad near the Freedom's southeast corner.

The tracks are likely also slowing down work on the parts of the northern part of the core since they can only work in certain areas during the times when no trains go by, but once the core goes up some more all of the annoyances caused by the PATH tracks will be a thing of the past.

PATH trains aren't annoying :). Building a new office building complex around a working transit hub is no easy task. :nuts::crazy::shifty::eek::horse::crazy2::okay:

- A

The PATH tracks run directly through the site as they did under the old world trade center towers. That's one of the things that has made much of the early construction very difficult. A temporary station has to be maintained and the entrance has been moved it.

so the subway still runs underneath/through the site? that is truly amazing, can workers get the subway directly to the site :lol:?

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3221/3002455942_5ed54c9fbb_o.jpg


The bridge was existing before or built now...

^ That's the bridge has been there for ages, it's the big one that let's you down to the ground level of the building site. The angle the picture is taken from doesn't make it look like it's going down.

Toward top left of this photo there's bridge looking thing which seems to be overlapping with the freedom tower construction site. Is that to be demolished or is it outside the construction site boundary?

http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/5426/freedomtowerseptember11lf5.jpg

And does anyone have basement diagram of freedom tower? I don't know how many floors are below ground floor and how far they've done so far.

^^It will be demolished. I think it is scheduled to come down in 1Q 2009 but I'd have recheck on that.

As for basement plans....some of the guys on Wired NY have at least seen them.

^^ cheers, and the bridge thing is overlapping into the construction site as I can see steel beams sitting right under it.

^^ I'm not sure if they will demolish it. In the top of the picture it looks like some new beams are attached to the structure. On the other hand I see some of FT's perimeter columns underneath the deck (upper left corner, behind the crane)

As for the basement floorplan. This is what I found on my PC.
http://xs233.xs.to/xs233/08452/floorplan_subgrade173.jpg

I thought there are some more detailed plans but I can't find them. Maybe someone else have them? Anyway there will be 4 basement levels. They are currently working on the last level (B1) before streetlevel. :cheers:

so the subway still runs underneath/through the site? that is truly amazing, can workers get the subway directly to the site :lol:?

To be exact, the WTC PATH loop, and the MTA 1 line runs through the middle of the site. Nearby is the E line terminal at chambers st. Trains running on the 1 line have a view out to the paneling covering the sides of the tunnel where light shines through from the outside between the panels. The last time this area saw daylight before 9/11 was 1903 when the cortlandt street station was constructed. The new station will be part of the WTC transit hub and will connect the other cortlandt street station farther east, the E terminal with PATH underground.

- A

That bridge structure does overlap the northern part of the freedom tower steel perimeter and eventually will be removed. If you look at the webcam, you can see where they removed part of the bridgge (it looks bluer than the rest) in order to put in the beams underneath it.

ooohhh it being built! wooo gonna be good!

http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/9228/p1000370no0.jpg

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Hey Those are some fantastic pictures, Thanks very, very much.

Lance

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/752/p1000341lb0.jpg

Why does this huge steel column appear to be resting on WOOD? Or is the wood just covering concrete or another section of steel?

That is a lot of rebar!

Why does this huge steel column appear to be resting on WOOD? Or is the wood just covering concrete or another section of steel?

That is a lot of rebar!

that not a wood, that a another steel column

Nice update, it's nice seeing pics rolling in every once in a while. :banana:

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/4995/p1000332cx8.jpg


I hope this isn't a dumb question, but I've always wondered what is all that striped stuff that makes up the wall of the yellow structure? And what is its purpose in construction?

^^ I think pieces of foam like styrofoam for the blue one and maybe polystirene for the white. Maybe foam is for thermal regulation when concrete is pouring , liquid concrete is hot.

Progress on the eastern side of ground zero has a little sluggish when compared to the western side with the Freedom Tower, memorial, and other below grade structures, but I bet work will pick up on the Tower 4 site soon since they will be installing the first cranes there in a few days. I've heard that T4 will top out before T1, but I'm not sure about it.

good to see this tower carried above street level finally!

Aren't the white arches in the south side of the site supposed to be in the lobby? But they're one level under the street level which means they're floor -1 or floor below ground level. Someone should summarise this for me.

Those arches aren't the lobby. There are an underground connection to BPC.

Nice updates ^^

Thanks for the updates ! Wow, so much steel. Go FT !

Why does this huge steel column appear to be resting on WOOD? Or is the wood just covering concrete or another section of steel?

That is a lot of rebar!

That is one of the original white painted ceremonial columns that is resting on.

Oh my. why doesnt toronto have buildings like those. darn i hate toronto

Oh my. why doesnt toronto have buildings like those. darn i hate toronto

DIDO

^^ I think pieces of foam like styrofoam for the blue one and maybe polystirene for the white. Maybe foam is for thermal regulation when concrete is pouring , liquid concrete is hot.

Liquid concrete is not hot per se, however concrete curing is an exothermic reaction and it may create a lot of heat.

That is one of the original white painted ceremonial columns that is resting on.

Ah, the white paint has faded yellow or has been stained by rust from the column above it. It sure had me fooled.

Liquid concrete is not hot per se, however concrete curing is an exothermic reaction and it may create a lot of heat.

... and the white polystyrene insulation keeps the heat of the reaction inside so that the concrete cures faster :)

Those polystyrene aren't the same as those used for protecting picture hangers are they?

Or else they would melt.

^^ I'm not sure if they will demolish it. In the top of the picture it looks like some new beams are attached to the structure. On the other hand I see some of FT's perimeter columns underneath the deck (upper left corner, behind the crane)

As for the basement floorplan. This is what I found on my PC.
http://xs233.xs.to/xs233/08452/floorplan_subgrade173.jpg

I thought there are some more detailed plans but I can't find them. Maybe someone else have them? Anyway there will be 4 basement levels. They are currently working on the last level (B1) before streetlevel. :cheers:

is the amount of retail space much lesser than the original wtc?
i remember the original wtc as having a significant number of stores etc

Workers cuting styrofoam

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/2443/p1000348zt5.jpg

and carpenters in action

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/2368/p1000339pv9.jpg

is the amount of retail space much lesser than the original wtc?
i remember the original wtc as having a significant number of stores etc

It will have the same amount of space, it is just that some of the retail has moved to the street level on some of the buildings.

It will have the same amount of space, it is just that some of the retail has moved to the street level on some of the buildings.

Before Sept. 11, about 430,000 square feet of retail space existed at the World Trade Center, most of it along the concourse that stretched among the seven buildings in the complex beneath the outdoor plaza. In its contract, Westfield had the right to expand its retail space to 650,000 square feet.

But when officials of the LMDC gave instructions to the teams of architects working on plans for the site, they told the designers that they could include up to one million square feet of retail space.

As of now, I think they are planning over 500,000 square feet of retail space throughout the site, which is more than before, and I'm pretty sure that Westfield is still in charge. Larry Silverstein had a lot of hope for the retail space in the old WTC so it's no shock he wants even more of it rebuilt.

^^ Do you think retailers that used to have stores there before 9/11 will return? Or new WTC complex will have all new retailers that WTC never had before?

A lot of the retailers that were there before were large chains so I'd imagine they'd return.

The subway has one temporary short platform on the west side that i saw today, and a large hole that you can see out of into the site.

- A

Escalators will one day be installed on the floor that they are currently building and they will bring people up to the lobby or bring people from the lobby down to the first below grade floor, where I think there may be retail space and access to the transportation system.

The subway has one temporary short platform on the west side that i saw today, and a large hole that you can see out of into the site.

- A

I wonder if this hole you saw is the new maintenance access way they've been building?

Construction is going a reasonable pace right now. I´m glad to see it rising fast above street level.

They're doing a big pour on the B2 level today. They have forms set out around an awfully big chunk of it.

Workers cuting styrofoam

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/2443/p1000348zt5.jpg
I believe that that foam is insulation that is being put there to protect the concrete from freezing as it sets (it is getting to be that time of the year again here in the USofA, after all). Concrete setting IS an exothermic reaction, but not sufficiently so that it doesn't need protection from extreme cold.

Mike

They are doing a BIG pour today! Check it out

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3240/3009951799_736a274321_o.jpg

this is the most intensive project i've ever seen. I love going to ny and watching the progress

^^ Do you think retailers that used to have stores there before 9/11 will return? Or new WTC complex will have all new retailers that WTC never had before?

If it's Westfield in charge of that aspect of the building use, we can probably expect to see all the same stores that Westfield has in all their other malls in the region: I'd bet there'll be a Gap, Hollister, Banana Republic... in short, nothing compelling me to visit the mall except as a way station en route to some other attraction at Freedom Tower.

Has anyone referenced the Wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mall_at_the_World_Trade_Center) about the mall?

If it's Westfield in charge of that aspect of the building use, we can probably expect to see all the same stores that Westfield has in all their other malls in the region: I'd bet there'll be a Gap, Hollister, Banana Republic... in short, nothing compelling me to visit the mall except as a way station en route to some other attraction at Freedom Tower.

Has anyone referenced the Wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mall_at_the_World_Trade_Center) about the mall?

Possibly so. FYI, Wikipedia isn't a good source since it is not 100% facts because it can be re-edited by any internet users.

I believe that that foam is insulation that is being put there to protect the concrete from freezing as it sets (it is getting to be that time of the year again here in the USofA, after all). Concrete setting IS an exothermic reaction, but not sufficiently so that it doesn't need protection from extreme cold.
Mike
I sort of doubt the foam insulation is to prevent freezing. It seldom if ever gets extremely cold in NYC and that doesn't occur until after the first of the year. Concrete is only susceptible to freezing for about the first 10 days or so, after that there is insufficient water remaining to freeze. Chemicals can also be added to concrete to keep it from freezing.

Possibly so. FYI, Wikipedia isn't a good source since it is not 100% facts because it can be re-edited by any internet users.

You do know lots of pages are protected or certain things on the pages, the numbers at the end of statements are links to sources, and ive notice that if there is something that is not right on a protected page it is fixed back

You do know lots of pages are protected or certain things on the pages, the numbers at the end of statements are links to sources, and ive notice that if there is something that is not right on a protected page it is fixed back

btw on the topic of freedom tower, i noticed today they poored alot of concrete, a big deal since they have been putting up rebar for 90 years

You do know lots of pages are protected or certain things on the pages, the numbers at the end of statements are links to sources, and ive notice that if there is something that is not right on a protected page it is fixed back

But most of the times, people find many false infos and vandalisms in many pages because they allow people like me to edit and add stuff into their pages.

I think wiki should have restrictions on who can become members of the website.

Anyway, the new concrete looks set at the south east corner. Interesting thing is that I rarely or never seen the core with a floor higher than it. It looks like north core is disappearing the highest current floor. So is there 1 or 2 more floors to go until we see ground floor? (south half of the site)

I am opponent of present structure in (to) personally complex Ground Zero but it has become hard and nobody will change it already. As you can see, upwards trunk Freedmo Tower. Advanced work last at renovation of wall from western part on its whole length too oporowego, whole wall will be deleted from eastern part gradually oporowa. Shows advanced work at structure of midday southern header tank for after WTC2. Shows new foundations too WTC4.


Część 5:

W Ground Zero trwają obecnie prace przy zabezpieczaniu linii metra biegnącej po środku placu budowy, obecnie pod ta linią trwa usuwanie skał i ziemi oraz usuwanie wschodniej ściany tzw. Wanny. Trwają też prace konserwacyjne i modernizacyjne pozostałych pięter wewnątrz muru oporowego (zachodnia ściana pod West Street). W tamtym miejscu będzie tworzony tunel łączący World Financial Center z nowym Mall'em i PATH oraz Freedom Tower. co do samej wieży to prace przy niej postępują. Widać też wyraźne fundamenty WTC4. W tamtych okolicach też trwa wykańczanie nowego muru oporowego.
Co do Memorialu to średnio zaawansowane prace widać przy południowym zbiorniku po WTC2 oraz intensywna konserwacja muru oporowego od strony zachodniej i północnej .

Freedom Tower:

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/2606/groundzerooctober2008laeb1.jpg
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/9467/groundzerooctober2008lamy6.jpg
http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/2663/groundzerooctober2008laup5.jpg
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/9826/groundzerooctober2008laky3.jpg
http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/9743/groundzerooctober2008laqz8.jpg
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/5927/groundzerooctober2008laev1.jpg

Memorial:

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/9026/groundzerooctober2008lanj8.jpg
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/1852/groundzerooctober2008lamc7.jpg
http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/229/groundzerooctober2008laow2.jpg
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/4793/groundzerooctober2008lazd1.jpg
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/1640/groundzerooctober2008laqb2.jpg
http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/6272/groundzerooctober2008layr3.jpg
http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/4123/groundzerooctober2008lajh6.jpg
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/3877/groundzerooctober2008layn4.jpg

Zabezpieczana linia metra która w tym miejscu będzie modernizowana i całkowicie naprawiona za kilka lat:

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/5112/groundzerooctober2008lafm9.jpg
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/8884/groundzerooctober2008lais1.jpg

Rozbierana ostatnia pozostałość po poprzednim kompleksie WTC a dokładniej pozostałości Mall'a i drogi wewnętrznej kompleksu przed WTC5:

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/9776/groundzerooctober2008laak6.jpg

^^ nice pics

Thanks for the update...It's so beutiful to see construction site like this...:)

There is in state of disassembling Deutsche Bank Building, work in this place building cross slowly recede place new which who state conditionWTC5. Part of street will be remade among too bank building Deutsche but will will become zero Ground. I will say revolt for underground rally convention here zero Ground where underground parking will be in northern and eastern eastern part GZ. Part of investment under it to midday southern part company ltd. put report first carrying wall already GZ. Eastern eastern wall of bathtub will be deleted too soon. Both will be jointed part of structure to one Memorial and eastern eastern part GZ. Work last over insurance of (security of) line of meter subway after center of building site too running, it will be based on scales rocks by steel columns which assemble/install be presently. Exportation of old leavings lasts continuously mall, where new will will become for siesta PATH.



Deutsche Bank Building jest w stanie rozbiórki, prace przebiegają wolno Budynek ustąpi miejsca nowemu WTC5 który stanie w tym miejscu. Zostanie też przerobiona część ulicy pomiędzy Deutsche Bank Building a Ground Zero. Powstanie tu powiem zjazd do podziemi Ground Zero gdzie będzie podziemny parking w północnej i wschodniej części GZ. Pod tą część inwestycji sa już stawiane pierwsze ściany nośne w południowej część GZ. Za niedługo zostanie usunięta wschodnia ściana Wanny. Obie część budowy zostaną połączone w jedną (Memorial i wschodnia część GZ). Trwają też prace nad zabezpieczeniem linii metra biegnącej po środku placu budowy, która to będzie się opierała na skale przez stalowe kolumny które są obecnie montowane/zamontowane.
Ciągle trwa wywóz resztek starego Mall'a, gdzie stanie nowe sjeście do PATH.

Freedom Tower:

http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/4535/4j9z4721zx5.jpg
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/3043/4j9z4529jd8.jpg
http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/7186/dsc0150jn8.jpg
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/4531/img0728xx3.jpg
http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/4180/dsc0200qo7.jpg
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/5879/4j9z4481gr8.jpg
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/7816/freedomtowerseptember11il1.jpg
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/8293/img0683zh6.jpg

WTC 2-4 i zabezpieczanie linii metra:

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/4372/4j9z5150kt5.jpg
http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/7659/4j9z5138xb6.jpg
http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/8973/4j9z5370xw4.jpg
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/5774/dsc0113tn2.jpg
http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/909/dsc0069vh8.jpg
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/8113/4j9z3312iu4.jpg
http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/7650/dsc0062ac4.jpg
http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/1756/img3197dd9.jpg
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/3723/img0821my1.jpg
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/4484/img3030kh8.jpg
http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/7238/img0852cx1.jpg
http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/5753/img3105pu4.jpg
http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/2739/img3205yo6.jpg
http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/6397/img3179rq9.jpg
http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/1756/img3197dd9.jpg

Renowacja Murów oporowych i pięter w nich zawartych (ściana zachodnia):

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/9739/4j9z3020lx3.jpg
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/3927/img4296st5.jpg
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/3299/4j9z4571mv5.jpg
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/2082/4j9z4610ym0.jpg

Wzmacnianie tymczasowych podporów linii metra i usuwanie z pod niej ziemi i skał:

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/6261/dsc0169ty2.jpg
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/3743/dsc0196lf0.jpg
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/8418/dsc0209mz2.jpg
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/8128/dsc0215gn1.jpg
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/6416/img4333jz6.jpg

Very very nice pics :) ^^

indeed, all those could be found in polish forum if anyone's interested.

A lot of those pics are from Joe Woolhead's blog. He gets right down into the site and gets those super nice pics.