Found this picture worth posting :)
http://www.rebuildgroundzero.org/components/com_datsogallery/img_originals/obamapresident10_20081107_1077036576.jpg

I hope the northern part of the core will be going up soon since there is a lot of rebar sticking up out of it.

You missed a few November pictures from RGZ:

http://www.rebuildgroundzero.org/components/com_datsogallery/img_originals/obamapresident1_20081107_2035425233.jpg
http://www.rebuildgroundzero.org/components/com_datsogallery/img_originals/obamapresident2_20081107_1819668374.jpg
http://www.rebuildgroundzero.org/components/com_datsogallery/img_originals/obamapresident3_20081107_2061950779.jpg
http://www.rebuildgroundzero.org/components/com_datsogallery/img_originals/obamapresident4_20081107_1197183727.jpg
http://www.rebuildgroundzero.org/components/com_datsogallery/img_originals/obamapresident8_20081107_1471991941.jpg
http://i37.tinypic.com/3wy8l.jpg

nice pics and progress.

hopefully the norther core will rise before the floor around it drowns it.

Cool photos. I can't help but notice the bankers trust building having -no- progress for several months.

- A

^^ They are first getting rid of the abestos, then they will continue to take down the steel on the building, that is why you don't see any visible progress.

Its Saturday night and not only are they still working to finish the slurry wall reinforcement at the memorial but there is also a large concrete pour going on at the FT. They're pouring the floor on the west side of the tower.

^^ I just looked on Earthcam too, Wow! The progress over the last few days is great. Someone must've really lit a fire under someone's as$.

^^ I just looked on Earthcam too, Wow! The progress over the last few days is great. Someone must've really lit a fire under someone's as$.

I"m happy to see progress in last few days, especially freedom tower and memorial site. :banana:

Found this picture worth posting :)
http://www.rebuildgroundzero.org/components/com_datsogallery/img_originals/obamapresident10_20081107_1077036576.jpg
Very nice pic :okay:

WTC Construction Update, November 2008

November 08, 2008
LowerManhattan.info



The following lists the major work taking place currently at the site:

Freedom Tower:

Installation of tower-foundation steel columns (two cranes on site)

· Installation of tower-foundation steel columns (two cranes on site); superstructure reached grade in July 2008

· Pouring concrete for the foundation and rebar installation for core and sheer wall

· Utility installation and tie-ins



WTC East Bathtub:

· Excavation of the Tower Two site through October 2008; crews are working double shifts

· Concrete pours began at the Tower 4 site in July 2008

· Major excavation of the south half of the east bathtub (sites of Towers Three and Four) from July 2007 through February 17, 2008; Silverstein Properties's construction team is mobilized and preliminary construction is underway

· Structural support and excavation under the 1 train box, which runs through the WTC site along Greenwich Street

National September 11th Memorial and Museum:

· Slurry wall reinforcement

· The "Survivors Stairway" will be relocated to its permanent home in the underground Memorial by late 2008

· Steel installation began September 1, 2008

· Concrete installation begins in early 2009

· Memorial crews plan to remove the ramp into the WTC site by December 2008 to continue construction on the south footprint

· The World Trade Center Memorial Foundation announced on April 9, 2008 that it reached its $350 million private fundraising goal



Tower 4

· Excavation

· Foundation work including concrete pours

Tower 3

* Excavation; rock blasting through fall 2008
* Foundation work

130 Liberty Street/Deutsche Bank Building Deconstruction:

· Abatement crews are currently working downward

· Full decontamination is underway as of May 2008

Air-quality testing at the building continues, with 12 sampling sites in the building’s immediate vicinity.

Source: LowerManhattan.info

A while back I posted some pictures of the site from the roof of WTC7 and said I'd post the video from the building and the roof as well as soon as the person who took me up to the roof checked with his immediate boss and gave me the okay. It took longer than expected (both men are understandably very busy), but the video is finally up. You can check it out here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhYD-09u_w8

Be sure to click on "watch in high quality" right below the video screen. I don't understand why YouTube doesn't automatically play the videos in high quality, but I can't bear to watch the video in the extremely grainy normal quality. For those of you who didn't catch the pictures when I first posted them, you can find them on page 304 of this thread.

Wonderful video RKOwens and many thanks for posting. WTC 7 looks very nice from the inside and I hope the other WTC towers will have the same high quality. Oh and got to love the telescope in Silverstein's office at 1:03. The dirty old guy :lol:

WTC 1 and all the other's will most certainly have much higher quality interiors than WTC 7.

Thanks for sharing the video. I wish you would just hold camera still instead shaking it too much. That made me feeling little sick when you shake your camera.

Glad to see the pace is picking up. This will keep a lot of people employed.
:)

WTC 1 and all the other's will most certainly have much higher quality interiors than WTC 7.

Some of the floors you saw in the video (like floor 52) are raw because they are still up for lease...
It's more up to the person who leases the space to design it, but I'm sure each tower will have a few pre-made office floors, and I'm sure that the stuff like the lobbies, sky lobbies, observation decks, ect will all be beyond world-class; this is the most anticapted and greatest office project ever.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3193/3017666928_41349a310c_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3191/3016837839_7efc4fe192_b.jpg

Wow... you can clearly see a progress in here. Compare this to my pic taken in July...

http://i37.tinypic.com/v66c1z.jpg

nice pic

Realmente impresionante!!!

yes! I am so happy we are finally seeing good progress. Does anyone know how long until this building really start to grow? A few months?

I made a gif of construction progress over the last year or so, but even the even the smallest sized gif was about 3MB so I really had no options like Photobucket or Imageshack when I wanted to upload it and I don't trust the site I uploaded it to, but I hope you people can see it:

http://imgplace.com/image_bin/5144/cc05bdb3d10c73971ddcea2eb93ef3c3.gif.th.jpg (http://imgplace.com/image/view/cc05bdb3d10c73971ddcea2eb93ef3c3)
http://imgplace.com/image/view/cc05bdb3d10c73971ddcea2eb93ef3c3

nice pic

Thanx. :cheers:

I have more pics from NYC in this thread http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=662846 so you can check them out.

yes! I am so happy we are finally seeing good progress. Does anyone know how long until this building really start to grow? A few months?
In few months the progress will be huge...

It looks like the forms on the south core have closed again. Another core pour this week?

Thanks for sharing the video. I wish you would just hold camera still instead shaking it too much. That made me feeling little sick when you shake your camera.

Sorry, I just used the video feature on my little point and shoot camera. Both the video and audio are a lot better than I expected (better than my cell phone camera video at least), but yeah the shaking is nauseating.

Does anyone know how long until this building really start to grow? A few months?

I don't think that progress on the Freedom Tower will REALLY pick up steam until about a year from now, even though things are moving faster than they have been. The October progress report said that the concrete slabs would reach street level in the 3rd quarter of 2009 and the installation of the steel columns would begin towards the end of 2009. Though, if progress on the core continues at its current pace (of one jump a month, or 14 feet), the core at least will have reached about 156 feet high by next year's anniversary... which will be a pretty sight.

Personally I'm more looking forward to the progress on the memorial. Concrete pouring is expected in December. They've also been unearthing and preparing the concrete foundations for many more columns throughout the north tower's footprint, so it looks like more columns will be installed very, very soon (maybe today or tomorrow).

Yeah, they are going to remove the WTC ramp in a few weeks.

I'm also looking forward to seeing more progress on the Memorial side of things. I really look forward to seeing the footprints of the old towers. I can't wait for the deckover of the plaza to take shape. I want to see more of the actual finished product than just some big hole in the ground.

The whole site is just an amazing project. I can't wait to see everything finished in 5-6 years. What a statement it will be for America to show the terrorists, What you destroy, we can rebuild (and better!).

Here's some close up work on the west side of the core.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3184/3020226998_8c65e26da7_b.jpg
Thanks to cmkalina (http://www.flickr.com/photos/cmkalina/)
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http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3013/3018405117_808e5f4433_b.jpg
Thanks to road_less_trvled (http://www.flickr.com/photos/road_less_trvled/).

Yeah, they are going to remove the WTC ramp in a few weeks.

True, in December they want to begin with it but it could be delayed (again).

did you take those photos basincreek?

No, I found them on Flickr.

I made a gif of construction progress over the last year or so, but even the even the smallest sized gif was about 3MB so I really had no options like Photobucket or Imageshack when I wanted to upload it and I don't trust the site I uploaded it to, but I hope you people can see it:

http://imgplace.com/image_bin/5144/cc05bdb3d10c73971ddcea2eb93ef3c3.gif.th.jpg (http://imgplace.com/image/view/cc05bdb3d10c73971ddcea2eb93ef3c3)
http://imgplace.com/image/view/cc05bdb3d10c73971ddcea2eb93ef3c3

Thanks for the gif, looks very good.

Can someone please explain (with a picture if possible) what prevents the north core from rising, I dont get it.

Thanks.

no need for pictures, there a subway line under there.

The northern part of the core needs extra reinforcement and such and also they can't work on it as much because of the tracks, but I'm sure we'll see it rise this month.

:nuts:

If it were up to me, I would not have constructed the Freedom Tower, just the buildings surrounding it.

That would have looked nice. IMO.

thanx god it's not up to you.

If it were up to me, I would not have constructed the Freedom Tower, just the buildings surrounding it.

That would have looked nice. IMO.

Of course it's obviously all personal taste, but I feel the exact opposite. I absolutely love the current design for 1WTC and would even if it stood alone. It's a modern tribute to the behemoths that towered over Manhattan in the past, and it's a workplace and symbol for Manhattan's future.

I feel as though the other towers are mainly there to replace office space, and are generously decorated to look nice for us. But it's 1WTC... That's our symbol. Its size is unnecessary to fill the workspace quota. It could be much smaller. But it stands at the height we lost. Its design is unnecessary to fulfill Libeskind's vision, it could have remained a skeleton. But it retains the shape we lost. It's the ghost of the giants we lost.

But, unlike his neighbors, this is more than an "office-building". This 1WTC is not made just for the few who will work there. This building, guys, this one belongs to us; the observers and the visitors.

I expect the future will be happy with the "unnecessary" choices of the past. World Trade Center has always meant something more than "offices".

"World trade means world peace and consequently the World Trade Center buildings in New York had a bigger purpose than just to provide room for tenants. The World Trade Center is a living symbol of man's dedication to world peace; beyond the compelling need to make this a monument to world peace, the World Trade Center should, because of its importance, become a representation of man's belief in humanity, his need for individual dignity, his beliefs in the cooperation of men, and through cooperation, his ability to find greatness." -Minoru Yamasaki, WTC architect, 1973

It would have been so sad if Minoru Yamasaki lived to see 9/11. However, the spirit of the old WTC remains invincible and will emerge in the new complex.

Chris Ward has responded to the questions from the public on wtcprogress.com. Some of the answers are informative, but on others he seems to be intentionally trying to avoid answering the simple question. Someone asked if there would be an open-air observation deck on the roof of the Freedom Tower in addition to the enclosed one on the upper floors (something we've all been wanting to know). Instead of a yes or no, he talks about how great the old observation deck was and how he's looking forward to the new one on the top floors of the Freedom Tower. Answer the freaking question, man!

I don't think so; from what I heard, there's only one staircase and one elevator going up to the roof, so it likely wouldn't be enough for the crowds of people who would flock to a 2nd observation deck, not to mention it's for maintenance, the com systems block the view and they are most likely very harmful to the human body, and it would require a redesign.

This is my favorite of projects currently in NYC. Can't wait!

I thought I saw pictures in this thread a few days back of concrete pours at Ground Zero, but I don't remember now how recent those pics were.

I do know that when my girl and I visit NYC during the Christmas season, Ground Zero will be on the itinerary. If I can sneak a couple of pictures in, I'll sure try.

Anyway, to stay on topic. Are any of the buildings in the complex on hold because of the crunch, or are they just slow?
Nothing is on hold, they just all are very slow like they have been and will be! The politicians and unions will insure they aren't completed very quickly.

one BIG mistake in this.. WTC was blow by US government NOt any terrorists..it is impossible that plane can take down building like this..so open your eyes and tri to watch zeitgeist :nuts:
Take this utter bollocks elsewhere please

Any recent pics from construction site, please ?

yep, november 14th by NYguy, SSP:

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/105926226/large.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/105926230/large.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/105926231/large.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/105926235/large.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/105926236/large.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/105926239/large.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/105926242/large.jpg

Work continues on the memorial...

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/105926243/large.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/105926248/large.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/105926250/large.jpg

^^ Nice to see they've already begun with placing the forms for the next level (first picture) :)

yep, november 14th by NYguy, SSP:

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/105926226/large.jpg

What are all the white frames sitting just to the left all the crane hook? They look too neat and nicely painted to the scaffolding.

^^ They are the supports from the the table forms. Maybe they came straight from the factory ;)

^^ They are the supports from the the table forms. Maybe they came straight from the factory ;)

I didn't know the actually made new supports for table forms that looked pretty liked that! I thought new ones actually came rusted and cruddy looking. :lol:

^^ They are the supports from the the table forms. Maybe they came straight from the factory ;)

Mind if I ask what a table form is?

nice progress!

It looks as though their has been quite a bit of progress surrounding the north core recently. It's looking real likely that it'll jump soon.

Hear what trump has to say about WTC


http://www.ny1.com/Default.aspx?ArID=88809

Nobody cares what Trump has to say. Shit like this is why his supertall projects in NY get killed. All I know is this building is better then anything Trump could come up with. Plus knowing him, he might haved named it Trump World Trade, Casino and Condeminiumcon Center. No thanx Trump

The more I hear Trump talk, the more I think he's a pompous numskull; the imbecile is just jealous because Silverstein makes him look like second-rate developer in his own town. Go move to Dubai or Chicago and spend what's left of your quasi-successful, exaggerated career as you fade away, Trump; no one wants to hear you moan and whine about a project that is approved, financed, fully designed, and under construction - and while you're at it, spend a little on your hair so your comb-over won't look like a dead furry animal since it's the only "catastrophe" I can see. Just about every large tower is a white elephant after it is completed and remains that way until people get comfortable; however, at least this tower already has tenants and companies are interested. Hard times with money or not, even the first WTC was built.

Mind if I ask what a table form is?

Not at all :lol:
As you probably know concrete is liquid when it's poured. To prevent it from flowing away it need so called 'forms'. Forms are strong wooden or steel plates which keep the concrete on it's place till it strong and hard enough to support it's own weight. When the concrete is hard enough the forms are being removed.
When we build a floor we use so called table forms, which is nothing more than steel or wooden plates placed on some scaffholding. It looks like a giant table, so thats why they're called table forms :)

yep, november 14th by NYguy, SSP.....
Very nice updates :okay:

good updates :D

quite interesting thing about the table forms though, the concrete doesn't stick to it.

OMG that is so cool, like Niagara falls!

^^ Is what like Niagara fall?

he probably meant the waterfall in the memorial ^^, on the renders

quite interesting thing about the table forms though, the concrete doesn't stick to it.

no, the forms are treated with some sort of oil to prevent it from sticking to the concrete.

OMG that is so cool, like Niagara falls!
What do you mean by that?

Originally Posted by Dolphinlover13
OMG that is so cool, like Niagara falls

What do you mean by that?
Yeah, what do you mean by that?:)


Good pace for the project. Does anyone know how many workers are there on site?

There are silver scaffolding looking things setup in the south west corner by the steel beams, no clue what they are.

Its great, after 7 years were finally getting harcore construction. It brings a tear to my eye still.

Not at all :lol:
As you probably know concrete is liquid when it's poured. To prevent it from flowing away it need so called 'forms'. Forms are strong wooden or steel plates which keep the concrete on it's place till it strong and hard enough to support it's own weight. When the concrete is hard enough the forms are being removed.
When we build a floor we use so called table forms, which is nothing more than steel or wooden plates placed on some scaffholding. It looks like a giant table, so thats why they're called table forms :)

Ah, cool! Thanks a ton.

Wonderful pics,renders and proyect!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The most beautiful tower in the future world.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3252/3038041381_bf7ab9754e_o.jpg
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http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3292/3030156022_4dd7e063e3_o.jpg

from Morrongiello (http://flickr.com/photos/33965463@N00/)

November 14th, Flickr:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3005/3036504166_922a3e5d7c_o.jpg

There's so much space for other towers! Why is the memorial so large.. :(

There's so much space for other towers! Why is the memorial so large.. :(

Because it should be...?:bash:

^^ I believe that New Yorkers need more open space and wanted new memorial park to be big enough for 9/11 memorial events.

Great pictures! I see a lot of process on Ground Zero already!

im going to be doing a dec1 world talls diagram update. just trying to workout what im looking at. such a big site. so is core above grd for freedom?

just fyi:

Q. Are their any plans to incorporate an open-air observation platform on the roof of the Freedom Tower, much like the old World Trade Center? Brett, Atlanta, GA

A.The old World Trade Center observation deck was clearly one of the top tourist attractions in New York City, and I'm pleased that the new One World Trade Center will have a similar observation deck on its top floors. Our recent projections show that we expect the new observation deck to be as popular – if not more popular – than the old one. For that reason, we're considering dedicating two upper deck floors for the observation deck.

is that freedom towers core in above pic?

^^ Yes it is.
November 15 ,from Flickr by sarahcasper

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3194/3039544280_59d71ef9d6_b.jpg

There's so much space for other towers! Why is the memorial so large.. :(

thats where the old towers use to be.

just fyi:

Q. Are their any plans to incorporate an open-air observation platform on the roof of the Freedom Tower, much like the old World Trade Center? Brett, Atlanta, GA

A.The old World Trade Center observation deck was clearly one of the top tourist attractions in New York City, and I'm pleased that the new One World Trade Center will have a similar observation deck on its top floors. Our recent projections show that we expect the new observation deck to be as popular – if not more popular – than the old one. For that reason, we're considering dedicating two upper deck floors for the observation deck.

They're skirting the question. They mention that they might put two floors, but that doesn't mean much. They will have to redesign the entire top of the tower if they want to put an open-air deck there.

There's so much space for other towers! Why is the memorial so large.. :(

Almost all that space in the foreground will be new towers.

the core can easily be seen above the street a couple of blocks away...i wonder how high it is now.. 50 ft?

The memorial encompasses the footprints of the twin towers.

The total floor area to programmed to be built will be greather than that of the former WTC.

just fyi:

Q. Are their any plans to incorporate an open-air observation platform on the roof of the Freedom Tower, much like the old World Trade Center? Brett, Atlanta, GA

A.The old World Trade Center observation deck was clearly one of the top tourist attractions in New York City, and I'm pleased that the new One World Trade Center will have a similar observation deck on its top floors. Our recent projections show that we expect the new observation deck to be as popular – if not more popular – than the old one. For that reason, we're considering dedicating two upper deck floors for the observation deck.

Where are these Q&As?

I think the balance between space dedicated to the memorial and space to be used for new towers is perfect:

http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/img/site_plan.jpg

The footprints of all 4 new towers is roughly equivalent to the footprints of the Twin Towers and there's still plenty of space left over for wider than normal sidewalks (compare the sidewalks on all 4 sides of Tower 2 in the photo above to the sidewalk around the Verizon Building - upper right - or the post office - lower right). There's no need to devote more space to the office towers. I think the park around the memorial is also the perfect size. Also, the fact that Greenwich Street runs through the site kind of determines how much space can be devoted to what anyway.

Where are these Q&As?

http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/q_a_intro.cfm

in the above plan, below the upper right memorial and beside the visitor center there seems to be a empty space among the trees. What is this? ( it isnt mentonied with a name ) a small plaza maybe?

November 14th, Flickr:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3005/3036504166_922a3e5d7c_o.jpg

A L L A M A Z I N G
Congratulation New York

Where are these Q&As?

http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/q_a_intro.cfm

will the greenwich street inbetween wtc3/4 and wtc memorial restore back to its function after all the construction in the ground zero is finished?

will the greenwich street inbetween wtc3/4 and wtc memorial restore back to its function after all the construction in the ground zero is finished?

Yes, that was the plan from the start. I wouldn't refer to this site as *ground zero* anymore, though, the term *WTC site* is more appropriate this time around.

http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/q_a_intro.cfm

on the web site it said they want to be done by the 2011 sept 11. little under 3 years ?. at this pace i would be amazed. It reminds me of the city union worker in my city, 3 are watching and the new guy is working. Is this project run by city offical's ?

on the web site it said they want to be done by the 2011 sept 11. little under 3 years ?. at this pace i would be amazed. It reminds me of the city union worker in my city, 3 are watching and the new guy is working. Is this project run by city offical's ?

ok heres whats up: freedom tower will be done BEFORE 2014, finished in 2013. the memorial will not be complete until 2012 or 13, BUT it will be open just on sep 11 2011

The tower cranes were in use late this night; maybe we'll be seeing the core jump up soon.

^^ Looks like a substantial pour i s going on on the western side of the building. I am not sure if it is the core or not, but if it goes on past 2 or 3 pm it is probably the "southern" core again.

By looking at the web cam play back, It is a Pour in the southern core. They started around 10 last night and are still pouring. Looks like they finally have their act together in what and how to do it to make it grow faster.

on the web site it said they want to be done by the 2011 sept 11. little under 3 years ?. at this pace i would be amazed. It reminds me of the city union worker in my city, 3 are watching and the new guy is working. Is this project run by city offical's ?
Not only by city officials, but by politicians! The two worst combinations in the world, unions and politicians are working in unison on this project so it will take at least three times as long as required.

I think the balance between space dedicated to the memorial and space to be used for new towers is perfect:

http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/img/site_plan.jpg

The footprints of all 4 new towers is roughly equivalent to the footprints of the Twin Towers and there's still plenty of space left over for wider than normal sidewalks (compare the sidewalks on all 4 sides of Tower 2 in the photo above to the sidewalk around the Verizon Building - upper right - or the post office - lower right). There's no need to devote more space to the office towers. I think the park around the memorial is also the perfect size. Also, the fact that Greenwich Street runs through the site kind of determines how much space can be devoted to what anyway.

The plan looks nice :)


From virtual-earth:
http://i368.photobucket.com/albums/oo124/chris-the-007/WTC1.jpg
Quite old.
I see that tower WTC 7 is complete.

^^^ tower 7 been completed for some years now.

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l18/andyandsuesellstuff/PB191863.jpg

This photo was taken after permission was granted from the PANYNJ.

- A

thats where the old towers use to be.

Should the deaths of a few thousand people get in the way of commerce and stifle the building of more towers on land that arguably the most expensive in New York City?

Don't take offence to this , I'm playing Devil's advocate so I ca read other people's opinions on the matter. And please, don't use the hammer smiley thing, it's stupid.

Should the deaths of a few thousand people get in the way of commerce and stifle the building of more towers on land that arguably the most expensive in New York City?

Don't take offence to this , I'm playing Devil's advocate so I ca read other people's opinions on the matter. And please, don't use the hammer smiley thing, it's stupid.

In my opinion....I have actually lost respect for the city of New York for rebuilding at ground zero...the city to me would never be the same..All the individuals associated with the rebuilding project should be ashamed of themselves really..

Should the deaths of a few thousand people get in the way of commerce and stifle the building of more towers on land that arguably the most expensive in New York City?

Don't take offence to this , I'm playing Devil's advocate so I ca read other people's opinions on the matter. And please, don't use the hammer smiley thing, it's stupid.

I don't think it's just the thousands of deaths, it's also the enormity of what happened at the site. Two of the world's largest buildings were destroyed by commercial airliners and no one could do anything to stop it. It was surreal. People need a way to cope and hopefully the memorial can offer that not only to the families of those who died but to everyone else who witnessed it in person and on live television.

The attacks were basically an act of war. So essentially, the WTC site is a battlefield. Just as we have memorialized places like Gettysburg and Manassas, we should do no less here. It should have nothing to do with dollars and cents. If we thought that way, Gettysburg would be a subdivision now.

Should the deaths of a few thousand people get in the way of commerce and stifle the building of more towers on land that arguably the most expensive in New York City?

Don't take offence to this , I'm playing Devil's advocate so I ca read other people's opinions on the matter. And please, don't use the hammer smiley thing, it's stupid.


A little extra park here and extra park there, what is there to lose? A nice break from the canyonlands that is downtown Manhattan- what is there to lose? Moving offices across the Hudson- what is there to lose? After the twins were reduced to embers- the "most expensive property" did not bring the rest of the world down, or did it? So what's the fuss now?

Should the deaths of a few thousand people get in the way of commerce and stifle the building of more towers on land that arguably the most expensive in New York City?

Over 75% of the old WTC superblock is being redeveloped into new towers. Only the immediate area where the Twins stood is becoming a memorial.

In my opinion....I have actually lost respect for the city of New York for rebuilding at ground zero...the city to me would never be the same..All the individuals associated with the rebuilding project should be ashamed of themselves really..

There's a completely irrational way to proceed.

From Flickr:

november 18th
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3282/3041839176_c4d3c65716.jpg?v=0

november 20th
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3023/3046520222_890847745c.jpg?v=0

The attacks were basically an act of war. So essentially, the WTC site is a battlefield. Just as we have memorialized places like Gettysburg and Manassas, we should do no less here. It should have nothing to do with dollars and cents. If we thought that way, Gettysburg would be a subdivision now.

Thousands of people around the world die because of war every day. If every site of war was turned into a memorial, the entire planet would be one giant memorial.

^^ very true, but that's not what this thread is for....
nice find "Eric Offereins" i'm glad for Ny, even thou i have my opinions about it lol

OK Some people are getting OFF TOPIC again. People what part of staying on topic don't you guys understand. If you keep it up The Moderators will shut it down Again. Personally I do not want that to happen. Please stay on topic.
Thank you
Lance

Nice pics ^^^^

In my opinion....I have actually lost respect for the city of New York for rebuilding at ground zero...the city to me would never be the same..All the individuals associated with the rebuilding project should be ashamed of themselves really..

I kinda agree with you it should have been rebuild it right now with an even better design.
It a shame and a failure that it takes so long but we have to look on the bright side, there is progress.
By the way don't get me wrong guys I still love the city.:lol:

Exactly, September 11th 2001 was an act of War, so therefore this site should have a place to remember the dead. Just like the Pentagon and Pensylvannia. Im happy there will be several acres of memorial, cities need more open green space.

Are people going to have to pay to enter the Memorial Park?

I hope not, thats making business in the memory of others!

Are people going to have to pay to enter the Memorial Park?

I hope not, thats making business in the memory of others!

no, thay already received donations for park

The attacks were basically an act of war. So essentially, the WTC site is a battlefield. Just as we have memorialized places like Gettysburg and Manassas, we should do no less here. It should have nothing to do with dollars and cents. If we thought that way, Gettysburg would be a subdivision now.

Al QAeda had declared war on the U.S. a decade earlier. That's what the Khobar Towers and African embassies bombings were- a declaration of war.

In my opinion....I have actually lost respect for the city of New York for rebuilding at ground zero...the city to me would never be the same..All the individuals associated with the rebuilding project should be ashamed of themselves really..

If you apply the same logic, then the whole of europe shouldn't have been rebuilt after WW2, including my home town of London

To get some perspective, 20,000 people died in the blitz on London, 50% of the city was badly damaged or completely destroyed and 1.5 million people were made homeless.

We rebuilt.

http://www.tubephotos.com/?goto=canary-wharf&thumbs=ok

^^ EXACTLY.

Runwaydiva's post made me cringe at the ignorance in their words. I could not have exemplified that better.

The construction progress on this tower is very slow...which is very unfortunate, because NYC definitely needs a new supertall on the WTC site to bring back the skyline of lower Manhattan to what it was before 9/11, and the FT is a worthily replacement for the WTC IMO.

I'm not quite confident that this tower even will be topped out by 2011, but it seems that a completion date of 2013, like it says on SSP (http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=7788 ) , seems to be much more realistic...

And then , finally, the lower Manhattan skyline will look as great again as it did before, or even better (no offense, the WTC's where great towers, and icons of NYC, as well as of the US and skyscrapers generally, but architecturally they weren't the most beautiful buildings in NYC, though they where much better then many of the other international style buildings of the 70's).

Freedom tower rendering:
http://www.linternaute.com/savoir/grands-chantiers/tours-du-monde/images/freedom-tower.jpg

IMO this will become the best skyline that lower Manhattan and NYC ever had, even surpassing the pre-9/11 WTC skyline .

If you apply the same logic, then the whole of europe shouldn't have been rebuilt after WW2, including my home town of London

To get some perspective, 20,000 people died in the blitz on London, 50% of the city was badly damaged or completely destroyed and 1.5 million people were made homeless.

We rebuilt.

http://www.tubephotos.com/?goto=canary-wharf&thumbs=ok

There is a difference between a World War and being attacked out of the blue.

^^
so the people in London didn't suffer any less??

Should the deaths of a few thousand people get in the way of commerce and stifle the building of more towers on land that arguably the most expensive in New York City?

Don't take offence to this , I'm playing Devil's advocate so I ca read other people's opinions on the matter. And please, don't use the hammer smiley thing, it's stupid.

I loving using this :bash: thing it's funny as hell. There not alot of land left in manhattan this much is true. But NYC is more then brick and steel. the city's trying to be more user friendly. Going green is the best way of doing that. With so many other supertall project going on in the city, I'm alright with it.

If you apply the same logic, then the whole of europe shouldn't have been rebuilt after WW2, including my home town of London

To get some perspective, 20,000 people died in the blitz on London, 50% of the city was badly damaged or completely destroyed and 1.5 million people were made homeless.

We rebuilt.

http://www.tubephotos.com/?goto=canary-wharf&thumbs=ok

...as we are. This site will be just as densely developed as before, while paying the proper respect to what happened there. I'm sure there are plenty of memorials to the war in London, too.

But back to topic, as others have said. I will continue to enjoy watching these buildings rise over the next few years.

There is a difference between a World War and being attacked out of the blue.

I actually spat out my drink...

This is offensive to every invasion, attack and assault in history. As a nation, we should be mature enough to accept that land is just land. We rebuild, we commemorate our losses, but we move forward.

^^
so the people in London didn't suffer any less??
Of course they suffer... World war ii was bad not only for London

back to topic again!!!!!!!!!!!!!............


I don't think this was posted so here is some nice update report from last month http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/pdf/constr_update_100808.pdf

Freedom tower rendering:
http://www.linternaute.com/savoir/grands-chantiers/tours-du-monde/images/freedom-tower.jpg
IMO this will become the best skyline that lower Manhattan and NYC ever had, even surpassing the pre-9/11 WTC skyline .
Too bad the skyline won't look like the rendering! FT will not tower above the rest of the buildings like this rendering shows. This illustration is very stylized to make FT look more dominant and impressive than it really will be.

Too bad the skyline won't look like the rendering! FT will not tower above the rest of the buildings like this rendering shows. This illustration is very stylized to make FT look more dominant and impressive than it really will be.

You looking at old renderings, look on first page.

I don't think this was posted so here is some nice update report from last month http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/pdf/constr_update_100808.pdf

Great update. Thanks for posting. It's nice to see closeups of the work and it explained a lot of questions had.

Are they waiting for 130 Liberty St. to be taken down before beginning work on the South Bathtub?

There is a difference between a World War and being attacked out of the blue.

Dude, no. Just no. What the **** does this even matter? Destruction is destruction. Hitler was evil, Osama bin Laden was evil. They both killed innocent people and destroyed property. There is no fundamental difference in terms of the effect of both attacks; only the scale differs.

And it wasn't out of the blue. Terrorism against the US had been accelerating for 3 decades leading up to the 9/11 attacks. We knew who Osama was and where he was and the FBI and CIA knew he was planning some kind of major attack on the US, on our own soil.

The rebuilding of the WTC is completely, utterly 100% necessary. 18,000 businesses were destroyed or displaced as a result of the 9/11 attacks. These people lose money every day they are out of business. Many I'm sure have relocated, hurting the Manhattan economy. Not to mention the fact that you simply cannot waste a massive, multi-acre plot of land right in the middle of the world's second largest financial center. You HAVE to rebuild it.

This is going to look great when it is done. :)

I love new york, im so glad the towers are being rebuilt. It shows worlwide progress. Iraq is stable, FT is getting built. Truley a great time to be an american.


Now if only new yorks people could quit being such duchebags......

i know. pipe dream

^Iraq is only stable because the government is playing off Sunnis to not cause shit. Just an illusion that is definitely not sustainable.

Who would have thought that a secondary downside to the slow progress would be the amount of absolute crap that gets posted in this thread. :ohno:

I love new york, im so glad the towers are being rebuilt. It shows worlwide progress. Iraq is stable, FT is getting built. Truley a great time to be an american.


Now if only new yorks people could quit being such duchebags......

i know. pipe dream

New Yorkers are awesome! That hurts!

Of course they suffer... World war ii was bad not only for London

Hence the point I was making...

The rebuilding of the WTC is completely, utterly 100% necessary. 18,000 businesses were destroyed or displaced as a result of the 9/11 attacks. These people lose money every day they are out of business. Many I'm sure have relocated, hurting the Manhattan economy. Not to mention the fact that you simply cannot waste a massive, multi-acre plot of land right in the middle of the world's second largest financial center. You HAVE to rebuild it.
Is not only your economy btw, all world suffers from 9/11 attacks.....

Now on topic: why constructions on WTC towers are too slowly?

^^ This video may explain a few things :colgate:
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=9SN0PPiYQY4

^^ useful video, cheers. I like the metaphoric phrase 'pilgrimage for New Yorkers' for the ground zero.

Useful video indeed

The media is determined to label this project as the biggest failure ever when it's just the opposite. If they really wanted to educate people, they would have stated what happened to the design and why it happened, among other things, from 2002 to now (from the first crap LMDC designs which didn't have a tower over 700' tall to the current and final design), not just repeat obvious, incorrect and ambiguous information, like how the hub has to be built 'first.'

It's as if this plan has been around for over 7 years when in reality the WTC masterplan has only been around for roughly 3 years with the final construction documents completed this year.

True, the plans were revised any times and this added to the overall delay time. It's an embarrassment though to see that in Asia and Middle East projects like these are erected within a few years and in this case which is not just yet another project in a former fishing village in Asia, but the revival and reconstruction of one of the most known urban neighbourhoods of the planet, to see this happening.

They need to speed things up to make it happen guys. For all of us who've been to the original WTC it's an embarrassment.

Even considering the work that had to be done first on the hub and the tight space, construction is too slow.

Construction should have been made a lot faster thru political will, considering that this is supposed to be the symbol of America's defiance against the terrorists.

Also, it has become too much a creature of the politicians. For instance the lonely "freedom" columns that stood there for a long time before the rest of the construction caught up.

This project is an across the board mess. Finally we are seeing some progress, for many months all most nothing was actually done aside from removal of the old underground structures & re-configuring the transportation infrastructure there. Very slow going. Very lame. Even the bankers trust building is still standing needing to be demolished. Nothing has moved on that site since around may. As someone who sees this area quite often, it's getting kind of irritating!

- A

Construction should have been made a lot faster thru political will, considering that this is supposed to be the symbol of America's defiance against the terrorists.
This is the best statement made yet regarding why the project should be moving forward very rapidly!

This building is supposed to be a symbol of America's resilience and determination, instead it it has become the symbol of American politics and unions. They both have done everything in their power to delay and prolong the project instead of doing things to insure it is built rapidly. The completion of this building should be a national focus and a rallying point for the American people, not a symbol of how bad we can implement something. No wonder the rest of the world laughs at America these days instead of respecting us like they once did.

^^ In other words the name Freedom Tower is not really the name that belongs to this building.

What name do you think is suitable for new WTC1 except Freedom Tower (I disagree btw)

What, Hope Tower, Opportunity Tower, Sky Tower High Tower,, no really...

...The name Freedom Tower is simple and clear and is meant to represent what America dash the world stands for. When you start thinking about it you can't name it just WTC Tower 1 again and all the other possibilities won't fit the general feel of the area where it is build. Freedom Tower is not a good name for a skyscraper in general but it is the best name for this skyscraper.

You could have sped things up but it would have required the following:

Closing down PATH service indefinitely for a speedy construction of WTC 1's foundation/sublevels
Closing West St indefinitely to aide logistics and the pedestrian corridor
Closing and demolishing the subway line for improved access
Lots of extra $ to pay the high wages for the crews that work 24/7 and..
Even more $ for the lawsuits that will arise from locals due to the above mentioned decisions

So....who has that kind of political will and won't mind career suicide?

^ Gee, obviously not, cuz they weren't, y'know, Amurr-kins.:wallbash:

I think it is our right to memorialize the site of Ground Zero with a set of buildings to commemorate another set of buildings that once stood there. If nothing else the design of 1WTC is a statement, and maybe even a bookend to the statue in the harbor, if you use your imagination.

Commerce was transacted in those buildings before the planes hit, and perhaps commerce will be transacted in these new ones too, real estate being what it is in lower Manhattan. But it seems to me that as tawdry as that might appear to some, we're setting aside some space to remember What Happened.

Does it need to take up the whole site? Why should it, when we each carry a little piece of the thing around with us wherever we go? Of those of us who were alive that day and capable of forming cogent thought-- who among us doesn't remember exactly what we were doing when the planes hit, or watching in horror as the buildings came down to earth? What need then for an expanse vaster than that provided in the architects' plans?

^ Gee, obviously not, cuz they weren't, y'know, Amurr-kins.:wallbash:

I think it is our right to memorialize the site of Ground Zero with a set of buildings to commemorate another set of buildings that once stood there. If nothing else the design of 1WTC is a statement, and maybe even a bookend to the statue in the harbor, if you use your imagination.

Commerce was transacted in those buildings before the planes hit, and perhaps commerce will be transacted in these new ones too, real estate being what it is in lower Manhattan. But it seems to me that as tawdry as that might appear to some, we're setting aside some space to remember What Happened.

Does it need to take up the whole site? Why should it, when we each carry a little piece of the thing around with us wherever we go? Of those of us who were alive that day and capable of forming cogent thought-- who among us doesn't remember exactly what we were doing when the planes hit, or watching in horror as the buildings came down to earth? What need then for an expanse vaster than that provided in the architects' plans?

Also in true new york fashon, its going to be deep to give some vertical space. But remember, it too the US almost 60 years to build a WWII memorial in the capitol, so for everyone complaning about slow construction, we seem to be right on schedule.

What, Hope Tower, Opportunity Tower, Sky Tower High Tower,, no really...

...The name Freedom Tower is simple and clear and is meant to represent what America dash the world stands for. When you start thinking about it you can't name it just WTC Tower 1 again and all the other possibilities won't fit the general feel of the area where it is build. Freedom Tower is not a good name for a skyscraper in general but it is the best name for this skyscraper.
I thought that the name came because of the facts of 9/11 :dunno:

True, the plans were revised any times and this added to the overall delay time. It's an embarrassment though to see that in Asia and Middle East projects like these are erected within a few years and in this case which is not just yet another project in a former fishing village in Asia, but the revival and reconstruction of one of the most known urban neighbourhoods of the planet, to see this happening.

They need to speed things up to make it happen guys. For all of us who've been to the original WTC it's an embarrassment.

The projects in Asia and the ME are nothing like this. With such a logistical, infrastructural, financial, political and not to mention emotional mess that has to be worked through, it's amazing that this project is even this far. It would be an embarrassment to see something go horribly wrong. Better to get this right than build too quickly just for the sake of building quickly.

Also in true new york fashon, its going to be deep to give some vertical space. But remember, it too the US almost 60 years to build a WWII memorial in the capitol, so for everyone complaning about slow construction, we seem to be right on schedule.
It didn't take 60 years to build the WWII memorial, it took 45 years to decide to build one, 10 years to raise money and two years to build the memorial! Construction actually went quite fast once the decision was made in the money was raised. Besides its not even in the same realm as this building and there's no way to compare anything between them.

This is taking way too long to rebuild! The original twin towers took 7 years.

^^ Actually, it is slower than what we'd like to see and what we expect based on past construction. The problem is this is a general trend in America. Everything is taking longer to build even though we have much better equipment and technology. Take the Empire State Building or the Pentagon for example they were both built very quickly and efficiently with minimal high tech equipment. The reason? At that time the American workers were very dedicated and hardworking, today they are generally slow and lazy! What's the biggest cause of this? In my opinion the construction unions are a big part of it, underperforming workers are protected by the union and making just go about their merry way without fear of repercussions!

^^ Totally agree with you. I allways think the same but have not enought launguage skill to write it... To build such great structures like burj or wtc you need not only the money, but also good "atmosphere". Workers in dubay works 24/7. It is impossible to do it fast in New York no matter how much money developers has. And thats why America cant be no more world capital of skyscrapers paradoxically becouse of high life quality :nuts:

I think in near future the world capital of skyscrapers will be China.

well I didn't think that people would be able to STAY ON TOPIC. So I'll start it again right here. They have moved in a new crane for the memorial and they have also made good progress on the next floor forms near the cores. I'm hoping that Joe Woolhead updates his web site soon. He always has great pictures. Thanks Joe.
Lance

That is good news ^^

at least the project won't be canceled because of the economy like countless other towers

Any new pics??????????? Thanks!

yea thats why i hate unions... im in school for construction management and one day i hope to have a construction company... and i refuse to higher union workers!

A permentant crane for the memorial or just a mobile one?

^^ Mobile crawler crane. the old one wasn't strong enough so they needed a bigger one. I think we'll see a lot of progress on the memorial the coming week since the slurry wall reinforcement is almost finished. :)

ooh finally its getting built. when i went nyc in April it looks the same as it had done for the past 3 years

Any new pics??????????? Thanks!

You betcha! Curbed.com recently did a 4-part special on the rebuilding (1 part on the Freedom Tower, 1 on the memorial, 1 on the transportation hub, and I don't know what the 4th is... maybe they haven't put it up yet) and uploaded a TON of great pics which look to be only a few days old. You can find the links on wtcprogress.com, to the right side under "NEWS & UPDATES".

On a side note, it looks like they've opened up the formwork for the south core, which means they should be raising it soon.

I think laying the blame on the construction unions is wrong. This is not taking long because of shoddy work or lazy union workers. This is just an enormously complex project that is tied to several other enormously complex projects. Things have to be done in a certain way and in a certain sequence and no amount of union busting would ever change that. I've already posted the only ways that things might have been sped up and they involved decisions that would have made the local residents quite justifiably angry.

^^ Any new pics out there???.........:)
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goto that polish forum, you'll find more photos there of freedom tower. Sorry I don't know the link or how to get there because I don't understand Polish language.

curbed.com pics, posted on SSP:

1.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3053/3055321881_75fa3f8e04_b.jpg

2.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3019/3054894475_0961ddb15f_b.jpg

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http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3052/3054899253_6ffc3100bc_b.jpg

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http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3182/3056178408_aba47ce671_b.jpg

5.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3280/3055738798_9157d960d7_b.jpg

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http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3239/3056448490_d5201bafcd_b.jpg

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http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3074/3056216716_6ee17dcbe2_b.jpg

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http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3047/3055377917_a7d7291074_b.jpg

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http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3181/3055387767_32fb38c68f_b.jpg

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http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3251/3055360117_3ea8e933d8_b.jpg

11.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3002/3055449469_e217f2925f_b.jpg

Awesome updates :) ^^

Are those yellow marks on the face of southern core mark left by the form work?

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3280/3055738798_9157d960d7_b.jpg

BTW WTC7 in the last photo looks just like in the renders.

^^ Those are pieces of wood or something which were put there to leave indentations for the steel to later be installed. For some reason they just haven't removed the wood yet.

These are great photos, Thanks to all for posting, This tower is so close to going 100% vertical, i'd guess, Feb. or March.

These are great photos, Thanks to all for posting, This tower is so close to going 100% vertical, i'd guess, Feb. or March.

Fall of 2009

1WTC won't be fully above street level for at least another 8-10 months sadly. Their is still much work to be done around the north core. Next year their are plans to halt some of the PATH traffic so work can be done all day long.

But at least work is progressing around the south core. It should be all the way to street level soon early next year. With new steel soon going up in the northern end of the Memorial, they can begin working on the Fulton street deckover early next year as well. So things are progressing as well as can be expected.

Whats gonna go here?


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3251/3055360117_3ea8e933d8_b.jpg

^^ The warp core.

Warp? What is warp...

Star Trek Reference.

Whats gonna go here?

A part of the below-ground concourse leading people from the PATH station to the World Financial Center across the street. There will be shops to the left side of the picture. This is what it will look like when done:

http://www.panynj.gov/drp/images/gallery/wtcth/2005/08/ConcourseLookingEast.jpg

Though, the design has changed slightly since this rendering. The arches above will be on a straight slant rather than curved. (I kind of like the curved look better, but oh well.)

Pretty hot! thanks

c'mon man, let's get cooking here! the below ground concourse is nice. I'd like to see some altitude please.

hauhauha i like that...

A part of the below-ground concourse leading people from the PATH station to the World Financial Center across the street. There will be shops to the left side of the picture. This is what it will look like when done:

http://www.panynj.gov/drp/images/gallery/wtcth/2005/08/ConcourseLookingEast.jpg

Though, the design has changed slightly since this rendering. The arches above will be on a straight slant rather than curved. (I kind of like the curved look better, but oh well.)

Great pic :cheers: and thanks for the info.
The top cover will be glass?

The top cover will be glass?
No, metal decking has already been placed on top of the arches.

back from NYC I´d like to contribute my shots from the Freedomtower Site. They are nothing special, just the tourist locations:

http://www.johannes-hopf.de/temp_pic/20081124_Freedomtower/1303_20081124_NYC_.JPG

http://www.johannes-hopf.de/temp_pic/20081124_Freedomtower/1306_20081124_NYC_.JPG

http://www.johannes-hopf.de/temp_pic/20081124_Freedomtower/1307_20081124_NYC_.JPG

http://www.johannes-hopf.de/temp_pic/20081124_Freedomtower/1313_20081124_NYC_.JPG

http://www.johannes-hopf.de/temp_pic/20081124_Freedomtower/1315_20081124_NYC_.JPG

http://www.johannes-hopf.de/temp_pic/20081124_Freedomtower/1316_20081124_NYC_.JPG

http://www.johannes-hopf.de/temp_pic/20081124_Freedomtower/1317_20081124_NYC_.JPG

http://www.johannes-hopf.de/temp_pic/20081124_Freedomtower/1319_20081124_NYC_.JPG

http://www.johannes-hopf.de/temp_pic/20081124_Freedomtower/1304_20081124_NYC_.JPG

http://www.johannes-hopf.de/temp_pic/20081124_Freedomtower/1305_20081124_NYC_.JPG

http://www.johannes-hopf.de/temp_pic/20081124_Freedomtower/1321_20081124_NYC_.JPG

Why do they found such huge columns in front of the WFC? I think it´s gonna be row with 5 m distance between each columns.
BTW concrete seems to be very little viscous (I mean it doesn´t flow..whats the word for it?)

^^ massive contribution johannes. Cheers.

Very nice pics indeed

Thanks !!!!

Thanks very much for your contribution, nice !

Very nice pics indeed

can you post something different than "nice pics" :weird:

Al those photo's are awesome but I don't see any pictures of the memorial.

^^ You can always go to the thread on memorial part of WTC site in the other forum.

This is strictly freedom tower I guess.

BTW concrete seems to be very little viscous (I mean it doesn´t flow..whats the word for it?)
The word you're looking for is Slump. The concrete is formed in a metal cone then when the cone is removed how far the concrete drops is the slump. The concrete in the picture looks like it has a slump over round 3 (3" drop from the original height). It's on the stiff side but not terrible to work with.

can you post something different than "nice pics" :weird:
Yes, i can...
http://i368.photobucket.com/albums/oo124/chris-the-007/1319_20081124_NYC_.jpg
Those structures -with red mark- are for the memorial?

thanks for your kind comments and for the assistance. I known this procedure for testing concrete. But all tests I saw, the diameter was at least half-a-meter.

@Christos-greece: Yes, I think this is the memorial

I´m not sure were the border between Freedom Tower and Memorial is, but here are some more pics:

http://johannes-hopf.de/temp_pic/20081125_NYC/1329_20081124_NYC_.JPG

http://johannes-hopf.de/temp_pic/20081125_NYC/1330_20081124_NYC_.JPG

http://johannes-hopf.de/temp_pic/20081125_NYC/1331_20081124_NYC_.JPG

http://johannes-hopf.de/temp_pic/20081125_NYC/1332_20081124_NYC_.JPG

http://johannes-hopf.de/temp_pic/20081125_NYC/1333_20081124_NYC_.JPG

http://johannes-hopf.de/temp_pic/20081125_NYC/1335_20081124_NYC_.JPG

http://johannes-hopf.de/temp_pic/20081125_NYC/1336_20081124_NYC_.JPG

http://johannes-hopf.de/temp_pic/20081125_NYC/1337_20081124_NYC_.JPG

http://johannes-hopf.de/Breitwand/Florida_Boston_NYC/1317_20081124_NYC_-1319_20081124_NYC_-5632x2033.jpg

I come back to the row of columns in front of the WFC. Somebody an idea what the purpose is?

Great shots ^^
The border between Freedom tower and memorial should be the concrete wall...

Taken November 26, 2008

Freedom Tower:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3283/3071487024_9e244bd6ac_o.jpg (http://flickr.com/photos/bostoncitywalk/3071487024/)

WTC Site:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3019/3071489610_e6384d4d53_o.jpg (http://flickr.com/photos/bostoncitywalk/3071489610/in/photostream/)

(I took the same shot back in August -- you can see that one HERE (http://flickr.com/photos/bostoncitywalk/2776405467/in/set-72157604394716830/))

thanks for your kind comments and for the assistance. I known this procedure for testing concrete. But all tests I saw, the diameter was at least half-a-meter.

@Christos-greece: Yes, I think this is the memorial

I´m not sure were the border between Freedom Tower and Memorial is, but here are some more pics:

...

I come back to the row of columns in front of the WFC. Somebody an idea what the purpose is?

Wonderful pictures and many thanks for posting them :cheers:
The wall you see in front of the WFC is a secant piles wall. This is a kind of retaining wall for the excavation of the new tunnel which will connect the WTC with the WFC. :)

Great shots, both of you! And yeah, as stated above, the work in front of the WFC is in preperation for the excavation for the below-ground tunnel which will run under West Street and connect to the WFC. The original walkway was above-ground and led many people to safety on 9/11 (due to the danger of falling debris and people), but was destroyed when the North Tower collapsed. This is the original bridge on the right side of the picture:

http://debunking911.com/columnd.jpg

A temporary walkway was rebuilt after 9/11. Right now anyone wanting to cross the street has to walk across the above-ground bridge... which will eventually be removed when the new tunnel is completed. I think the actual excavation for the tunnel is set to begin at the beginning of next year.

not to be too off topic, but look how much glass remained in place when the towers fell. A great pic man thanks.

Only things left were ruptured steel and crushed concrete. You don't expect to find glasses or pencils in that demolition.

edit.

sorry for the double post, dodgy computer.

Increible, mi ciudad favorita, New York. Aquí en España por desgracia, abunda la mentalidad catetil, y tendremos que viajar para ver estas obras increíbles. Normal que seais la potencia mundial económica, cultural...

Viva New York!

i really really like this proyect is incredible xD

Wow ! Looking at that sep-2001 picture, i must say progress is too much since then. Congratulations ! The hardest stage is almost done !

Wow ! Looking at that sep-2001 picture, i must say progress is too much since then. Congratulations ! The hardest stage is almost done !

Being there often its hard to tell aside from the construction barriers that 9/11 even happened from the hudson. Once you pass through the winter garden though you can see the big hole & bankers trust building in its mortuary garb.

It is hard to be there around 9/11 each year. I had to go over to the cove after waiting 15 minutes sitting on a crate right up against the post office sept 12. All the cards, balloons, flowers, photos, drawings... Too much.

- A

7 years later that pic from 2001 reminds those bad days of 9/11...
Is very sad to see that view...
Now about constructions, <The hardest stage is almost done> now comes the hardest ones...

Now about constructions, <The hardest stage is almost done> now comes the hardest ones...

what is that supposed to mean? lol

^^ First we need to analyse what he meant by 'hardest stage' and 'hardest ones' and what their differences are.

I think concrete may have been poured at the south-west corner of freedom tower today. Not perfectly sure but by the looks of things I think there may have been. The current highest floor around the core is the area around the southern core, northern half of north core is surrounded by one level below the highest.

Totally incredible pictures!!!

Many, many truckloads of steel beams were delivered to the memorial site today, and three new columns were installed in the North Tower footprint in the last half hour or so of the workday before work stopped. Tomorrow should be an interesting day as they'll probably be working from morning to sunset installing the new steel which is already at the site.

Also, in one of the wtc.com videos a few weeks ago, they said that steel erection for Tower 4 would begin on December 1st. It doesn't seem like any steel was installed today at Tower 4, but it should begin soon...

(I know this isn't about the Freedom Tower, but does anyone know if SkyscraperCity has a forum dedicated to the memorial? I can't find one.)

^About Tower 4, keep in mind that we cannot really most of it from the cam. Maybe they didn't install the first beams, maybe they did (I don't think so b/c if they did I think there would have been a small media presence or pictures uploaded); however, WTC Tower 4 seems to be progressing even faster than the Freedom Tower did so that's more good news. I hope it gets its first tower crane within the next few months. It would be nice to see a second HD cam at the WFC to record progress on the other half of the WTC site since, obviously, the current cam can't cover it all.

I recall someone asking what would happen to the current HD cam when the Freedom Tower rises out of its view. I was looking through the older records and there was one picture in which the cam had been tilted up and everything was zoomed out, revealing the top of the WFC the water behind it and sky above it, so I assume that's what will happen in late 2009 or 2010. Alas, the entire eastern part of the site was cut off, and that's just more of a reason why we need a second HD Earthcam.

Edit: Looking back, the construction manager of WTC Tower 4 said that superstructure work will begin today. Also, within the next few days, they may start removing the ramp.

Now about constructions, <The hardest stage is almost done> now comes the hardest ones...

I meant about the construction of the tower...
Is not a easy think to built 5 towers from scratch which one of them has 108 floors.
Need big effort and labour in order to is realised, as well as patience.
Will exist good days, but can also exist also difficult days.
And I do not mean about money, U.S. is a strong country, and it will find way to become strongest from this Economical crisis
i mean those persons that will work day-night (24h/7) in order to finishes this beautiful tower (2014 ?) :)

I meant about the construction of the tower...
Is not a easy think to built 5 towers from scratch which one of them has 108 floors.
Need big effort and labour in order to is realised, as well as patience.
Will exist good days, but can also exist also difficult days.
And I do not mean about money, U.S. is a strong country, and it will find way to become strongest from this Economical crisis
i mean those persons that will work day-night (24h/7) in order to finishes this beautiful tower (2014 ?) :)

lol oh thanks :)

Great shots, both of you! And yeah, as stated above, the work in front of the WFC is in preperation for the excavation for the below-ground tunnel which will run under West Street and connect to the WFC. The original walkway was above-ground and led many people to safety on 9/11 (due to the danger of falling debris and people), but was destroyed when the North Tower collapsed. This is the original bridge on the right side of the picture:

http://debunking911.com/columnd.jpg

A temporary walkway was rebuilt after 9/11. Right now anyone wanting to cross the street has to walk across the above-ground bridge... which will eventually be removed when the new tunnel is completed. I think the actual excavation for the tunnel is set to begin at the beginning of next year.

Amazing shot. I hadn't seen it before. What's remarkable is that the WFC didn't suffer more damage than it did. Must be pretty robust construction.

:omg: Didn't ever see such a picture !!! :eek:

that picture is incredible... and terrible...

Freedom Tower has made progress. Compared to the last week it seems to get a very busy place (construction workers all around ... and doing something! :)) I'm going to take some pics tomorrow.

Im sorry I hate to do this, but I really dont feel like going back 10 pages or so to look for it ...so:

can anyone please post the finally design for this thing?
is it still going to look like the picture on the first page of this thread?

There's black cubic thing installed at the north-west corner of the site, I can't even see what it is, but haven't seen it before.

^^ you mean that back thing against the slurry wall just behind the north core? It's probably another staircase covered in protective sheeting.

that picture is incredible... and terrible...
Yes it is :ohno:

Yes, we know 9/11 was awful. But let's move on and stay on topic.

Im sorry I hate to do this, but I really dont feel like going back 10 pages or so to look for it ...so:

can anyone please post the finally design for this thing?
is it still going to look like the picture on the first page of this thread?

Yes. This is the best rendering of the tower available:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/74/Freedom_Tower_New.jpg

its a good looking render.

it's an amazingly detailed render.
anyone noticed the reflection of the statue of liberty in the tower's fascade?:)

Evolution of top of the tower:

http://curbed.com/uploads/2008_01_freedom.jpg

if you look at the round thing at the base of the spire (whatever its called) in the photo below, this design must be very old design, maybe from 2006.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a217/youaremykilikiller/freedom-tower-1-large.jpg

^^ The lower part of this tower looks very similar to WFC in Shanghai!

Thankfully the render doesn't show any narrow alleyway next to the building. Former WTC had alleyway which couldn't fit a car between the north tower and Marriott World Trade Center. How narrow was that gap between two buildings though?

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1434/962673945_0f3160ef8a.jpg?v=0

Off topic, my bad.

http://www.daniel-libeskind.com/typo3temp/pics/b0e18f9bd9.jpg


its not my favorite set of buildings, but I do like how the Freedom Tower is the focal point. And the towers are ok

Evolution of top of the tower:

http://curbed.com/uploads/2008_01_freedom.jpg

if you look at the round thing at the base of the spire (whatever its called) in the photo below, this design must be very old design, maybe from 2006.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a217/youaremykilikiller/freedom-tower-1-large.jpg

The ring-like assemblage at the base of the spire appear to be communications devices.

If this is the case, the 2008 render is just a conjecture of what could eventually be there, depending on companies renting space on the roof.

Only the elongated thing itself is certain to be built. Eventually, depending on future locators, the things around the base may not even like in the picture.

Just my take on the subject.

Wow, I can't wait to visit this tower as I used to visit the old WTC .... I really love NYC and this complex is the best..... congratulations for the Thread.
Hugs from Brazil

i love this new tower design, i hope everything goes well with the construction, so i can go visit one day!!!

cheers to N.Y.C ;)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/74/Freedom_Tower_New.jpg

It is the greatest rendering i have ever seen :cheers: :okay:

Kind of funny how the spike has guide wires. I guess they won't really be visible.

The spire is nice in the above rendering...

Good news, they are assembling a second crawler crane for the construction of the memorial :cheers:

it's an amazingly detailed render.
anyone noticed the reflection of the statue of liberty in the tower's fascade?:)

I did :)
Does anyone know what are those round things attached to the base of the spire? Lights maybe?

Nice picture from wtc.com

http://www.wtc.com/uploads/images/712x534/14_40_T1-Nov-26-2008.jpg

:cheers:

everything is coming together slowly :)

thanks for posting all the renderings RKOwens, stewartrama, and bmht
preciate it

WOW - huge progress :cheers:
Now constructing floors?

What construction company is buliding Freedom Tower?

from http://www.earthcam.net
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/2580/megapixelcamera20081204ol9.jpg