Concrete Pour

south west corner had concrete pour from yesterday 12:00AM to 5:00PM :banana: progress though, the current highest floor around the core is nearly done apart from the hidden floors behind the cores which are still quite far behind in height.

its 12pm

^^ MY bad, its is indeed 12pm, cos I'm a human...

the progress is moving nicely.

how is the owner an asshole?
the families of the people who died on board the airplane are assholes.
a hijacked plane goes down and suddenly the surviving family members feel compelled to take privately owned land and turn it into a 2,200 acre memorial.
if they dont get their way, they go crying to bush so that he can forcefully take the land away from the owners.

Who said it would be 2,200 acres??? Where are you getting this info from? The "Bowl" (the main part of the memorial) from what I can tell by looking at it is maybe 10 acres. No visitor is going to explore a 2,200 acre memorial. That's 4 square miles.

how is the owner an asshole?
the families of the people who died on board the airplane are assholes.
a hijacked plane goes down and suddenly the surviving family members feel compelled to take privately owned land and turn it into a 2,200 acre memorial.
if they dont get their way, they go crying to bush so that he can forcefully take the land away from the owners.

what are you doin ???? :ohno:

be careful what you say, even if its the truth sometimes.

Philvia... I stand corrected. After looking further into the design of the memorial, they ARE intending to have it be 2,200 acres in size, which is... completely insane. Wow. I have no idea what they're thinking. The Pentagon memorial is 2 acres in size and the World Trade Center is about 6-8 acres in size. They have only themselves to blame. A more reasonably sized memorial could have begun construction years ago and be done.

I don't know what to say but, wow.

From what I can tell, a lot more steel has gone up today in the north pool. The north and east side of the central "hole" (which the water will fall into) is now defined, and the south side was defined already. Won't be long until we can see the full outline of at least one pool. There IS a webcam which overlooks the site from the west (from the World Financial Center) at rebuildgroundzero.com, which provides a much better view of the memorial and Towers 2-4 sites (its view of the Freedom Tower is kind of crappy though), but it's been down for the past few days.It just came back up. The difference at the North Pool between when the cam went down and when it came back up is striking:
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/922/christmascomparison1024ue0.pngBy the way, on CNN yesterday there was a report about the memorial for Flight 93 in Shanksville where they said that they're now trying to have the memorial completed in time for the 10th anniversary (previously they said it wouldn't be completed in time). They only thing holding them up is that the landowner where the plane crashed at is being an unbelievable a$$hole and won't sell the land to the memorial planners for the asking price, and they're asking Bush to seize the land before he leaves office so they can build the memorial. With the Pentagon memorial already open, hopefully all three will be completed in time for the 10th anniversary, which is already long enough.

http://www.honorflight93.org/images/entryportal_small.JPGIs that a render of the proposed Flight 93 memorial? If so, it looks much more impressive than I'd expected.

From what I've been able to gather, United Flight 93 crashed across several people's land, ultimately landing near a farmer's field. The memorial is to be located at the site of the crash. The landowner, Tim Lambert, donated six acres in the immediate vicinity of the crash. The families of the victims used their share of the United 93 grosses to buy an additional 3 acres at the site. An additional 1,000 acres of land around the crash site was acquired by the families as "buffer" soon after. More land deals have followed, each negotiated in good faith with the land owner and resolved amicably to everyone's satisfaction. The largest remaining chunk of land left to be acquired is a 275-acre plot owned by Svonavec Inc, a stone and coal-mining corporation based out of Somerset, PA. This is not a case of Big Brother stepping on a small, humble farmer. Svonavec had used the land for surface mining before September 11. Now, however, the land is used to monetize the crash site, though "donations" to the corporation -- ostensibly to pay for "security" that the National Parks Service says is unnecessary. The compensation being offered by the families would apparently offset the value of the land for surface mining, but not for owning a unique chunk of history that will be a cash cow for years to come. The families of the victims have offered as much as $750,000, but Svonavec only wants to deal with the National Parks Service. And they want the National Parks Service to pay $10 million, or the NPS's total budget for land acquisition.that camera sucks big timeI like the RGZ cam. It's the most easily accessed wide-angle view of the site, and shows the side that is blocked to the high resolution EarthCam.I don't see anything wrong with the owner asking whatever he wants to the property, it's his and he should be able to ask whatever he wants for it. The people wanting it don't have to pay if they don't want to. The government also shouldn't use its power to seize the land. Maybe an acre or two where the main of the plane ended up and an appropriate right of way but the amount of acreage being discussed is totally ridiculous. The owners certainly isn't an A$$hole as you suggest, rather the victims families are for wanting such a large piece of land. If they want this much land than we should have bulldozed all of Manhattan form appropriate memorial there!Comparing Ground Zero to the Shanksville site is Apples to Oranges. For one thing, the planes that hit the World Trade Center collided with their targets in mid-air, resulting in a very localized crash site. United 93 was a ground collision, carving out a wide arc for the crash site. For another, the two locations exist on opposite sides of the real estate market. Manhattan is the most densely packed real estate market in the country. Rural Somerset County in Pennsylvania is among the least densely packed real estate markets. 2,200 acres in Somerset County is probably worth less than the eight acres the World Trade Center memorial will occupy. And it's not 2,200 acres that are in dispute; all but the 275 acres owned by Svonavec have been acquired by the families and the National Parks Services through amicable bargaining with the previous land owners. Unfortunately, the 275 acres in question are at the heart of the crash site, not on the periphery.

The difference at the North Pool between when the cam went down and when it came back up is striking

^^Is that supposed to be a joke? I honestly can't tell the difference, except that the snow melted.:lol:

^^ More steel and more decking on the steel. Remember that there was a holiday and a weekend between the two images. Besides with the EC you can clearly see the small hole in the center of the North Tower pit. The area behind the hole (the west side) will be filled with steel by the end of the week. They are already placing the columns for it :cheers:

Philvia... I stand corrected. After looking further into the design of the memorial, they ARE intending to have it be 2,200 acres in size, which is... completely insane. Wow. I have no idea what they're thinking. The Pentagon memorial is 2 acres in size and the World Trade Center is about 6-8 acres in size. They have only themselves to blame. A more reasonably sized memorial could have begun construction years ago and be done.

I don't know what to say but, wow.


thats why i dont have any pity whatsoever towards them and fully support 100% the private owner who is holding onto his land. i

how is the owner an asshole?
the families of the people who died on board the airplane are assholes.
a hijacked plane goes down and suddenly the surviving family members feel compelled to take privately owned land and turn it into a 2,200 acre memorial.
if they dont get their way, they go crying to bush so that he can forcefully take the land away from the owners.

here is the answer www.zeitgeistmovie.com

The Memorial site growing fast too ^^

overnight they poured that huge ass wall next to south core :)

Perhaps a bit off-topic but which one is better?
Reflecting Absence without facades or Reflecting Absence with WTC facades:
http://www.savethefacades.com/mem_model1_sml.jpg http://www.savethefacades.com/mem_model1_lsml.jpg

;30098854']Perhaps a bit off-topic but which one is better?
Reflecting Absence without facades or Reflecting Absence with WTC facades:


2nd one looks terrible, looks like jail cell

I think that it look interesting...But that white one should look more like the red one...

I like the first one. The pools remind us of what we've lost, but they're a quiet peaceful statement. The second concept paralyzes the scene from 9/12 and feels like a stab in the heart every time you see it.

I prefer first one. Second one reminds us of horrible moment of 9/11 attacks. It will make a lot of people sad and give them bad flashbacks.

i thought the one on the left was actually happening?

^^ of course, the left one is the one to go ahead and the one on the right is very inappropriate in my opinion.

;30098854']Perhaps a bit off-topic but which one is better?
Reflecting Absence without facades or Reflecting Absence with WTC facades:
http://www.savethefacades.com/mem_model1_sml.jpg http://www.savethefacades.com/mem_model1_lsml.jpg

Why not build the facades as intact as in opening day, and remind everyone of how the towers once looked? and still have the pools inside?

good idea, but if they would do it, they woul make it low, or only one pool, so that people still have a good view on the pools, i think...
btw. I think everyone in New York knew the facades of WTC and since 9/11 everyone knows...

Is not a bad idea, but like "gayscraper" says is not too good to show again something which belong to the past. Almost all the world knew how facade of WTC twin towers looks like... beside pool without any facede to my its better.

Happy New Year :cheers:

I think without WTC facades looks better.

Being as it is 2009, what progress is likely to be made this year? Is it actually going to be rising properly or is it just goin to be another year of snail speed work on the basements and lobby levels?

I hope, that we will see this thing rise... i hope at least 20 floors or something like that

http://curbed.com/archives/2008/09/09/pocketsized_911_memorial_museum_pavilion_fully_revealed.php?o=14
The link shows you a museum with a piece of the fassade after 9/11 as an exhibit.
I know we had this before, but wouldn't it be cool if there was this museum... so everyone could see how fassade looked like, without putting it around the pools.
(sorry for double posting :()

Being as it is 2009, what progress is likely to be made this year? Is it actually going to be rising properly or is it just goin to be another year of snail speed work on the basements and lobby levels?

By the end of the year the basement levels and the podium should be completed. Maybe they build some normal floors as well, but they'll only do that if you're a good boy and don't complain about their working speed :lol:

Working speed is fine by me.

I know we had this before, but wouldn't it be cool if there was this museum... so everyone could see how fassade looked like, without putting it around the pools.


And so it will be.

The exhibit showing WTC facade would become really popular. I would be really interested in touching actual WTC material, and I know a lot of other people too.

Being as it is 2009, what progress is likely to be made this year? Is it actually going to be rising properly or is it just goin to be another year of snail speed work on the basements and lobby levels?According the "Major Milestones" chart on page 49 of Port Authority director Chris Ward's October report to Governor Paterson, we can expect the following in 2009:

First Quarter 2009:
The steel for the south mezzanine of the transportation hub will be completed, and the footings for the pavilion over the hub itself will be installed.
The rest of the ramp will be removed.
Construction on the West St.-side slurry wall for the Vehicle Security Center will begin.
Construction on the Fulton street deck by the Freedom Tower will begin.

Second Quarter 2009:
Excavation under Route 9A will begin to extend the East West Connector under the road.
The first phase of excavation and bracing for Greenwich Street will be complete.

Third Quarter 2009:
Platform Column Foundations will begin construction.
The Fulton Street slab will be available for access.
130 Liberty Street will have finally completed demolition.
The below grade concrete work on the Freedom Tower will be almost complete.

Fourth Quarter 2009:
Construction of underpass supercolumns for transit hub.
Completion of steel work for pavilion transfer structure at hub.
Erection of above-grade steel for Freedom Tower will begin -- this is when the tower starts really rising.

^^ What's about other towers? What will we expect from them this year?

There's been some talk on this forum lately (and in the past) of the current WTC site design versus the proposed Twin Towers II design. I decided to compile a list of the top 7 reasons why the current design is far better than the Twin Towers II. (Why not top 10? I couldn't think of anymore signficant reasons, but feel free to add your own.) This analysis also does not consider WTC7 or WTC5, which would probably end up more or less the same regardless of how the main part of the site was built.

http://www.triroc.com/wtc/pix/memorials4.jpeg
VS.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/MemorialRelatedImages_06.jpg/800px-MemorialRelatedImages_06.jpg

7.) The restoration of Greenwich Street and Fulton Street. In addition to streamlining traffic flow through downtown Manhattan, it also does a good job of defining and separating the memorial park from the rest of the site and gives greater roadside access to all buildings and the memorial.

6.) The PATH terminal’s above-ground oculus. In addition to its aesthetic contribution to the new site and to the victims (representing a bird in flight), it also provides a visible entrance to the third largest transportation hub in New York City and allows natural sunlight to flow through the below-ground concourse.

5.) Symbolic height representations. Although many would consider the increased height of the Twin Towers II as a plus, it wouldn’t provide a visual marker for visitors of the exact height of the original towers. The new Freedom Tower does this as well as a symbolic 1,776 foot spire height.

4.) Greater amount of office space. The Twin Towers II would have each been 120 stories, each 10 taller than the original towers. According to the official site, the three smaller buildings would be devoted entirely to trading floors, retail space, as well as an Opera House (all of which are included in the current plan), but no office space. The additional 20 floors of office space in the Twin Towers II would be about 865,000 square feet, for an overall total of about 9,265,000 square feet in the entire site, far inferior to the 10,170,000 square feet of office space in the current Towers 1-4.

3.) The current three smaller buildings (Towers 2-4) look better than the Twin Towers II’s three smaller buildings and give the site an overall “descending” spiral look in height, paying homage to the memorial.

2.) An overall building design which respects the original Twin Towers and the victims. Advocates of the Twin Towers II say that rebuilding the Twin Towers better pays respect to the original Twin Towers. I couldn’t disagree more. This would be like cloning a dead pet and then living with it like nothing happened, which would disrespect the fallen pet. The original Twin Towers are dead, and even if the same blueprints were used, they could never really be replaced. People need to accept it when a pet dies and get a new one, which they can learn to love. The new site plan will do this.

1.) Finally, and by far most importantly, a far better memorial that isn’t even in the same league as the monstrosity proposed in the Twin Towers II design, a design which would have been comprised almost exclusively of the original footprints of the towers and nothing but tightly compacted buildings surrounding them. The current memorial will have an entire park surrounding it, more trees, more benches, and a quite large above-ground portion of the museum.

^^ would you work at 80th floor of the new south tower or 96th floor of the new north tower? because I couldn't do that if you know what I mean.

A year of waiting to see freedom tower rise, we have to watch foundation developing for a whole year again... :banana:

I prefer the 2nd design ( the one that is under construction that is ) more.

So, 2010 is when we will see it really rising. It will be an exciting year.

^^ actually 'fouth quarter of 2009' to be fair...

There's been some talk on this forum lately (and in the past) of the current WTC site design versus the proposed Twin Towers II design. I decided to compile a list of the top 7 reasons why the current design is far better than the Twin Towers II. (Why not top 10? I couldn't think of anymore signficant reasons, but feel free to add Your own.) This analysis also does not consider WTC7 or WTC5, which would probably end up more or less the same regardless of how the main part of the site was built.
Your top 7 "Reasons" are not the reasons but merely opinions. None of them are true reasons when rather points that support people who think the present plan is the best.

I could come up with just as many "Reasons" (or more) why the plan for rebuilding the twin towers was better but I'm not going to waste my time nor other people's time reading my opinions.

Your top 7 "Reasons" are not the reasons but merely opinions.

That kind of goes without saying... :bash:

What is the exact current status of the freedom tower?
The floors, the core(s) etc.

A picture says more than a 1000 words so here's a link to a HD webcam:
http://www.earthcam.net/users2/interface.php?i=0&id=445&projectid=202&clientid=158

:cheers:

Well I mean in numbers: height of the south/north core, the floors etc. :lol:

;30172100']Well I mean in numbers: height of the south/north core, the floors etc. :lol:

The south core is exactly 28 feet above the floor of the lobby. The north core is way behind and I don't know the exact height. Some of the exterior columns are 15 feet above street level; most are still about 10 feet below street level. B3 is about 3/4ths of the way complete; B2 is about halfway complete; a few forms for the B1 level have been laid but no rebar or concrete poured; no work on lobby level. Does that help answer your question?

Personally, I haven't been paying much attention to the Freedom Tower or putting as much emotional investment into it, since I know that it's going to look pretty much the same until next October or so, when it reaches street level and then finally starts to shoot upward. Instead, I've been watching the progress on the memorial, which is progressing at a much faster rate. I intend to focus on the memorial until next October when the last piece of steel and decking for it will be complete, at which point I can began watching the Freedom Tower quickly rise.

I hope in 2009 to see a "great" progress in the tower... some floors for examble.

Unfortunately we're only going to see basement floors finished for the next 9 months. I doubt even the south core rising very much either.

The south core is exactly 28 feet above the floor of the lobby. The north core is way behind and I don't know the exact height. Some of the exterior columns are 15 feet above street level; most are still about 10 feet below street level. B3 is about 3/4ths of the way complete; B2 is about halfway complete; a few forms for the B1 level have been laid but no rebar or concrete poured; no work on lobby level. Does that help answer your question?

Nice. This kind of information is what I think should go in a SkyscraperCity Wiki for construction updates. (Check out http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=23068542#post23068542 ... the project is still not back up since the last person replied to me in July. :bash: )

Nothing would be more satisfying than to compare the updated numbers (date, height, floors, % complete, core, perimeter beams, floors etc.) all in one look. Far better than having information buried deep inside threads and having to search for it. It will also reduce the number of people asking questions in the forums, since they can just go to the Wiki instead.

What do you all think? Is there anyone who can help fix the SkyscraperCity Wiki? Or shall one of us just start a new one somewhere else? As for the current Wiki, whether it will finally be back up sounds about as promising as the Chicago Spire.... :ohno:

This vid is about how they designed the Freedom Tower with the computer software, quite interesting.
ISbtoMVEhaE&feature=channel_page

THAT IS MY PROFESSOR LOL
Mr Vandeezy!!

;30219888']This vid is about how they designed the Freedom Tower with the computer software, quite interesting.
ISbtoMVEhaE&feature=channel_page

Yeah, SOM uses Revit. It's actually pretty easy once you get out of the "AutoCAD" mode. I can't even imagine what they would do if they delved into a more advanced program rather than a practice based one. Although BIM seems to be the way of the very near future if more firms could afford it.

The white arches on the south of the site are getting covered with the progressing roof on top. (a progress)

The basements aren't going to be completed until October!? Why so long!?

The basements aren't going to be completed until October!? Why so long!?

Believe me, you're not the only one disappointed. We all are. There's nothing that can be done about it though. Probably the main reason is that the PATH trains run directly through one half of the building, and so work on that half of the building can only occur on weekends when the trains stop running.

Fortunately, Tower 4 (which is also under construction) doesn't have any trains running through it, so it won't be slowed down. In fact, it'll probably catch up with the Freedom Tower and be at street-level around the same time, around October.

"A German entrepreneur is applying for a federal trademark to use the Freedom Tower to market a line of condoms. His proposed slogan is “Freedom Tower: Make Love Not War.”



http://www.thefrisky.com/post/246-german-entrepreneur-trying-to-trademark-freedom-tower-condoms/

LOL

^^

German or not. It would be a complete slap in the face to all that has happened there and will come to be, now and in the future. I hope that those in Government would not seriously consider such an application. Right or wrong this is America where we have the freedom to express ourselves.
May God be with us

Toby

The PANYNJ is going to block the condom thing.

http://www.triroc.com/wtc/pix/memorials4.jpeg
VS.

I had never seen that kind of rendering...

it's a nice marketing idea though

Good idea but I think this will remind people who lost there family with 9-11

"A German entrepreneur is applying for a federal trademark to use the Freedom Tower to market a line of condoms. His proposed slogan is “Freedom Tower: Make Love Not War.”



http://www.thefrisky.com/post/246-german-entrepreneur-trying-to-trademark-freedom-tower-condoms/

I would need a Burj Dubai one...

I had never seen that kind of rendering...

That's because it's not official. It was a model made by a group of private citizens who want to rebuild the Twin Towers. It's hideous, though. Look at how small their memorial would be and how crowded their buildings would be. I thank god the PANYNJ never seriously considered it.

Believe me, you're not the only one disappointed. We all are. There's nothing that can be done about it though. Probably the main reason is that the PATH trains run directly through one half of the building, and so work on that half of the building can only occur on weekends when the trains stop running.

Fortunately, Tower 4 (which is also under construction) doesn't have any trains running through it, so it won't be slowed down. In fact, it'll probably catch up with the Freedom Tower and be at street-level around the same time, around October.

Yeah but the construction is already on for more than 5 years and they haven't gone above street level yet :(. PATH or no PATH, it's taking them too long to construct it and as you said not all of the buildings have PATH running underneath them and their construction is standing or progressing extremely slowly as well.

Good idea but I think this will remind people who lost there family with 9-11
Some how yes... it is reminds a lot the old WTC

Yeah but the construction is already on for more than 5 years and they haven't gone above street level yet :(. PATH or no PATH, it's taking them too long to construct it and as you said not all of the buildings have PATH running underneath them and their construction is standing or progressing extremely slowly as well.

Let's be clear when we thrown around timeframes like five years... the physical construction has been proceeding for 2 years, 8 months. Work is proceeding above and below grade. In late summer, all work will be above grade.

Okay, folks, for years we've probably all been forming our own ideas about what should be built in the space adjacent to the Freedom Tower, the site for the planned Performing Arts Center - though, with construction for this unable to even start until 2015 or 2016, anything can happen. Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of a Performing Arts Center at the site, I just think that this location is one of the most valued pieces of real estate in the world, and having ONLY a Performing Arts Center on it isn't putting the site to its full potential. The current site plan already has the same amount of office space as the original complex, so an office building isn't needed. However, there is one thing that the original complex had which the current design is lacking, which should be built at this location: a hotel.

Hear me out. No one wants an enormously tall hotel (similar to the Millenium Hotel) competing for the eye-grasping attention of the Freedom Tower and blocking WTC7. The hotel I have in mind would be roughly the same height as the original Marriot Hotel (WTC3), and be the exact same length. Also, since hotels are required to be slender, this leaves a huge amount of space for there to be a Performing Arts Center connected to the building's base. Here's a site plan, along with some statistics below:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3085/3171020245_960d2170dd_o.jpg

*288 feet in height; 23 floors

*70 foot high base/podium, comprised of 4 levels of lobby space, retail space, cafes, and business meeting rooms (150,000 square feet total)

*900 rooms/suites spread over 18 floors

*Lowest room floor starts at 70 feet and majority of room floors angled away from street, providing greater safety from road-side threats

*Rooftop swimming pool, spa, health club, and jogging track (0.5 mile); all overlooking Memorial Park and the Hudson River

*Over 300 parking spots in 2 below-grade parking levels (B1 & B2)

*15,000 square foot, 3,000 seat Performing Arts Center; with 50 foot high ceiling.

*Spacious plaza with restored WTC “Sphere” at its center


Why am I posting this? To see what the opinions of you all are. If anyone else feels the same way that I do, that the site needs a hotel in addition to the Performing Arts Center, maybe I'll start a grassroots website calling for the Marriot Hotel (or at least some hotel) to be restored to the site... yes, similar to the Twin Towers II grassroots website, only not as hopeless and based on a bad idea to begin with. With 5.5 million visitors expected to visit the memorial each year, the World Trade Center complex needs a hotel right on its site, and it needs to restore the 850 prime location hotel rooms which were lost on 9/11.

Let's be clear when we thrown around timeframes like five years... the physical construction has been proceeding for 2 years, 8 months. Work is proceeding above and below grade. In late summer, all work will be above grade.

If this was in Dubai it would be finished by now.

In respons to RKOwens, I like the idea but the Path tracks are right under it so is it really possible to build?
I don't think that the developer of the site (Silverstein anyone) is in need for a hotel when 99 Church Street is finished.

;30308130']In respons to RKOwens, I like the idea but the Path tracks are right under it so is it really possible to build?
I don't think that the developer of the site (Silverstein anyone) is in need for a hotel when 99 Church Street is finished.

Of course it would be possible to build over the PATH tracks. The Freedom Tower is being built over the PATH tracks and it's much taller. Also, the original Marriott Hotel was built over the incoming PATH track anyway.

The original Marriott Hotel was not owned or leased by Larry Silverstein. He owned WTC7 and had the lease on WTC1, WTC2, and some parts of WTC4 and WTC5. He had nothing to do with the hotel, which was originally owned by the Port Authority and called the Vista Hotel, but then sold to the Marriott Corporation and was renamed to the Marriott Hotel. I think the Four Seasons Hotel will be a nice addition to downtown Manhattan, but there are already plenty of hotels throughout downtown. There needs to be a hotel as a part of the World Trade Center site, to replace what was lost.

;30308130']I don't think that the developer of the site (Silverstein anyone) is in need for a hotel when 99 Church Street is finished.

Correct!

When 99 Church Street is complete, you will have a skyscraper hotel.

What more could you ask for? :cheers2:

For those who are interested ( and for those who didn't know) here is a timeline for ground zero: ( Memorial. Freedom tower, and Transit Hub)

http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/milestones.html

:)



f this was in Dubai it would be finished by now.

then do all of us a favor, don't come back in this thread :ohno:

If this was in Dubai it would be finished by now.

it would also be made with half the quality. and we have labor laws that prevent near slave labor conditions for workers so things take longer here...
I mean look at how burj dubai, had problems with going up at a strait angle.

Correct!

When 99 Church Street is complete, you will have a skyscraper hotel.

What more could you ask for? :cheers2:

What more could I ask for? A hotel at the World Trade Center. Only rebuilding the World Trade Center SITE to its former glory replaces the World Trade Center. Who cares about a hotel being constructed elsewhere in New York City that isn't a part of the World Trade Center complex? That doesn't replace the former WTC3. I photographed the 99 Church Street (Four Seasons Hotel) construction site from the roof of WTC7 and am sure it'll be a fine hotel, but it's not the World Trade Center.

Also, just because the Four Seasons will be tall, that doesn't mean bigger (IE, more rooms). The Four Seasons may be about 3 times as tall as the Marriott Hotel, but it's only about 1/6th its footprint. Literally. So, the hotel will probably only be about half the SIZE (in rooms and square footage) of the Marriott Hotel. Besides, the original Marriott Hotel (and the one which could replace it) was much better than the Four Seasons. For one thing, the roof of the Marriott had a huge swimming pool, spa, tennis courts, gyms, and a running track going around the entire roof (which was actually enclosed). The roof of 99 Church Street is tiny with nothing like this planned for it.

If this was in Dubai it would be finished by now.

it would also be made with half the quality. and we have labor laws that prevent near slave labor conditions for workers so things take longer here...
I mean look at how burj dubai, had problems with going up at a strait angle.


And it's not being built in the middle of the desert, but in the middle of one of the most dense areas of the earth (population wise).
Then we can add that unlike dubai, the construction of the building doesn't have unlimited vital space; it is rising on one of the hardest mantle of rocks (apparently people have forgotten the explosions needed to build the foundations). They are so many reasons I can add to these, just ask me and I will continue. If not, it is useless to repeat things that have already been told.

Anyone who's still complaing about the speed is just ignorant of the project; I'm sure this includes 98% of the world and most New Yorkers too. Yes, it would be done by now if they stuck with the first plan, but the current plans are almost perfect for the WTC site while the old plans were bad for the WTC. It's mainly the train tracks and complexity and structure of the building itself that are keeping the Freedom Tower speed down, not the workers or government or economy.

Yes, the next six or seven months are likely going to seem VERY SLOW, so you might as well focus on WTC Tower 4 and the rest of the WTC some more. But after summer, the other half of the core by the tracks will catch up and it will be going very fast. It's not like I'm just pulling this timeline out of my ass; it's what the experts are saying, so just hold on till for a few more months. The concrete is also taking longer to cure for the below grade area. Overall on the entire site, progress will continue to pick up as well. The Freedom Tower is just a small part of the new WTC, but by the end of this year, it will begin its ascent into the skyline. We'll be more focused on the other towers too.

By the way, it seem like the ramp leading into the WTC site will be totally removed in another week or two, and steel erection for one of the memorial pools looks like it will be done soon.

...Why am I posting this? To see what the opinions of you all are. If anyone else feels the same way that I do, that the site needs a hotel in addition to the Performing Arts Center, maybe I'll start a grassroots website calling for the Marriot Hotel (or at least some hotel) to be restored to the site... yes, similar to the Twin Towers II grassroots website, only not as hopeless and based on a bad idea to begin with. With 5.5 million visitors expected to visit the memorial each year, the World Trade Center complex needs a hotel right on its site, and it needs to restore the 850 prime location hotel rooms which were lost on 9/11.
The site it needs a hotel indeed... its the first time to read/heard about that, since 9/11.
I am afraid that in WTC plans hotel does not existed... let's see if that changes...

formwork of the south-core has risen finally :cheers:. you guys probably saw it already...but i was in holiday for a few days :)

^^ cheers, I stopped looking at the webcam few days ago knowing progress isn't gonna take place for months. But the south core must be well visible now from the street level.

formwork of the south-core has risen finally :cheers:. you guys probably saw it already...but i was in holiday for a few days :)

Sadly, it hasn't risen. It just looks that way because a part of the walkway (for construction workers) facing the camera was removed, but the formwork itself hasn't risen.

It doesn't need a hotel there are already several hotels in and around the site. So there is no need to add another hotel plus for New York right now the demand isnt there and since this is within the vicinity of hotels in the LES and SOHO it seems alright to say that the way the structure is being built it is okay to be without a hotel.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/MemorialRelatedImages_06.jpg/800px-MemorialRelatedImages_06.jpg

this is much better than the first

It much much better indeed ^^

Some will think it's better, some will think it's not. Everyone has their own opinion. My opinions the memorial park that is going to be built is far too structured, it either needs to be a peaceful relaxing place or something akin to the proposal was just had a symbolic representation of the two former building. All we're getting now is rows of trees set in concrete which just takes up valuable space. Submit reply

Let's be clear when we thrown around timeframes like five years... the physical construction has been proceeding for 2 years, 8 months. Work is proceeding above and below grade. In late summer, all work will be above grade.

Still it's taking them too long.

It doesn't need a hotel there are already several hotels in and around the site. So there is no need to add another hotel plus for New York right now the demand isnt there and since this is within the vicinity of hotels in the LES and SOHO it seems alright to say that the way the structure is being built it is okay to be without a hotel.

Saying that the site doesn't need a hotel BECAUSE there are so many other hotels in the area, is complete nonsense. It's like saying that the site doesn't need any office towers either, because there is so much office space available. I'm not saying you're wrong, just provide the research that proves your point!

Maybe they'll consider a hotel inside of WTC Tower 5.

In NY there's much more expierence in building skyscrapers in comparison with Dubai, so work should go faster. Don't forget the bedrock is an advantage for the foundation. Ask Chicago.

Hi
Any pics about the tower itself? I mean the current status.

look at the webcam: http://www.earthcam.net/users2/interface.php?id=445&projectid=202&clientid=158


btw...seems they installed 2 concrete-pumps at the south core :), maybe a sign for more speed in the near future!

Don't they still have concrete unlocked/hidden in the southern core's formwork which haven't jumped for months? I can't be asked to look every single day's webcam for past few months...

But I can see some thing was installed on the south side of the south core yesterday (tall/ thin, maybe stair case...) but today there was white thing added on top of that.

And something blue as well more to the south (maybe this is the concrete pump) Can't tell anything with unclear vision, but clearly some progress and changes in the past few days. Especially the roofs on top of the white arches are fast progressing.

the formwork jumped a few days ago ^^

http://www.earthcam.net/users2/inter...2&clientid=158

Continue to rise... :)

Can't tell anything with unclear vision, but clearly some progress and changes in the past few days. Especially the roofs on top of the white arches are fast progressing.
It doesn't take long to spread out corrugated metal, in many projects that entire area would be covered in a day or two, here is taking weeks. Eight

well obviously the roof for that corridor isn't a high priority.. nothing depends on that structure at this point and wont for a while.

Its seem everythings been going along at the normal speed since I've been gone.

Normal speed...
sounds good but it needs to go fast a little bit... :)

I think that this speed is more than good...I mean, this is one enormly huge construction site with 5(?) buildings in progress in the middle of the winter in the middle of the biggest city in the US and one of the biggest cities in the world...Think about that...

Originally Posted by chrome13 View Post
There are some incredible pictures and videos shot by a Trump Tower crane operator available here. Definitely worth everyone's time to browse through...
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http://jimojimo.smugmug.com/gallery/6753201_8tey5#431325302_eWT6R-A-LB


A would be awesome view for the freedom tower too

http://jimojimo.smugmug.com/gallery/...302_eWT6R-A-LB


Seems to be broken (and a little OT)...
http://jimojimo.smugmug.com/gallery/5936452_DVKmB

Seems to be broken (and a little OT)...
http://jimojimo.smugmug.com/gallery/5936452_DVKmB

what is this have to do with Freedom Tower anyway? :spam1::spam1: ????

^^ CALM down sweety, maybe just the wrong thread...

^^ CALM down sweety, maybe just the wrong thread...
that why there is so called " question marks" after sentence Mr Captain Obvious. I though maybe I missed something so take a chill pill.

some more pics

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3456/3182670706_e3d679334d_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3112/3174427014_5d9d54f598_b.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1080/3168603917_ae9b636299_b.jpg


credit goes to gordonflood and benjaminfish (flickr.com)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gordonflood/3182670706/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/benfish/3168603917/

Lot of cranes... from those pics i cannot see any changes in the core of wtc...
Something else: the building u/c in the last pic is one of other WTC towers?

the pics are from one or two days before the lifting of the formwork

Lot of cranes... from those pics i cannot see any changes in the core of wtc...
Something else: the building u/c in the last pic is one of other WTC towers?

That's the old Deutsch Bank building, which was damaged by one of the towers collapsing. It used to be 15 stories taller. They're tearing it down very slowly. WTC5 will be built there once they get it down.

What do they gonna build there instead of the german bank tower?

Some good shots there. Just a short amount of time before 123 Washington Street pokes up behind the DBB, which I wish they would hurry up and get rid of!!!!!!!!!!
Whats being built right beside it?

what is the roof height?

Antenna/Spire 1,776 ft (541.3 m)

Roof 1,368 ft (417 m)

Top floor 1,362 ft (415 m)

Some good shots there. Just a short amount of time before 123 Washington Street pokes up behind the DBB, which I wish they would hurry up and get rid of!!!!!!!!!!
Whats being built right beside it?

Well the tower being built behind the DSB is this:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=633246

What do they gonna build there instead of the german bank tower?

After J.P Morgan pulled out of the new WTC 5 they gave up on that hideous looking design they'd planned on. Nothing firm has been agreed on yet.

As far as I know, J.P Morgan hasn't pulled out; they are going to make 383 Madison their HQ, but I think they're still in at the WTC and are not going to use that design for WTC Tower 5.

That's the old Deutsch Bank building, which was damaged by one of the towers collapsing. It used to be 15 stories taller. They're tearing it down very slowly. WTC5 will be built there once they get it down.

Thanks for the info btw

The Freedom Tower is rising (at last some progress) :banana: :banana: :banana:!

Now it will be begin change faster now! :cheers:

^^ no it won't. expect the same speed till the basement floors and the bombproof bunker, I meant lobby, are finished.

what is that white horizontal thing attached to the east of the south core?

what is that white horizontal thing attached to the east of the south core?

I'm pretty sure that is elevator shaft for workers and crane operator to get up there

Freedom tower will have the same roof height as WTC? But does this mean that the total floor area of the complex will be lesser?

If you mean old WTC towers and Freedom tower, WTC towers had 110 fllors each... Freedom 108 floors
For your second part i dont know

the speed of the tower is really slow. =_="

Id like to know why the core is taking long to rise. Seems like they barely touch it.

Id like to know why the core is taking long to rise. Seems like they barely touch it.

Maybe because this is a big construction site, and they can't work only on the core all the time...

Or not?

Its obvious there's more unseen and hidden going on than the visible work.

Don't expect anything to happen for seven months. They have to focus on other parts of the project before they can get the FT rising at a fast speed, and currently the concrete is taking a long time to cure, and they can only work on part of the core for a few hours each day. Once ALL CONSTRUCTION is above the street (in fall), there will be no problems. We've waited 3 years, so why complain about a few months? It's going to happen this year, so just hold on till then. People are saying that it would not top out in 2011, but according to the PANYNJ's new timeline, it will top out in 2011.

Don't expect anything to happen for seven months. They have to focus on other parts of the project before they can get the FT rising at a fast speed, and currently the concrete is taking a long time to cure, and they can only work on part of the core for a few hours each day. Once ALL CONSTRUCTION is above the street (in fall), there will be no problems. We've waited 3 years, so why complain about a few months? It's going to happen this year, so just hold on till then. People are saying that it would not top out in 2011, but according to the PANYNJ's new timeline, it will top out in 2011.

Exactly. I assume that they've halted work on the south core so that the north core can catch up before they begin erecting any of the steel for the podium. I could be wrong, but it makes some sense when you consider their timeline.

the speed of the tower is really slow. =_="

x2 ...

They should give everyone on these forums a private, exclusive, unrestricted
tour of this building once it's all finished. There has to be some sort of reward for coming to this site everyday for years and years on end for it still to be pretty much stagnant at ground level. Something. Maybe a T-shirt that says, 'For 7 years I watched every beam installed on this tower and all I got was this lousy t-shirt.'

LOL, like the PANYNJ will give away anything that's free in the first place. I bet they'll be charging at least 30 bucks per person to go to floors 101 and 102.

^^Really? Are you all ignorant? If glancing at this thread for 2-3 minutes for pictures or updates really impacts your life that much, either don't look or shut up. No amount of b*tching in this forum is going to change the fact that construction is ongoing, obstacles are in the way, this is a complex site and workers can only do so much at a time. You don't deserve a t-shirt. (I'm done now).

This is the biggest construction mega-site on the planet, so expect this will take time.

I recall reading somewhere that Mayor Bloomberg getting upset that development was taking too long.

Construction is a very slow process.

Typing your comments about it won't speed up the development.


I can see it now, a skyscraper fan manages to secure an emergency meeting with the site supervisor.

Skyscraperfan: Sir, I have disturbing news.

Site Supervisor: What is it?

Skyscraperfan: Our loyal fans from Skyscraper City are typing comments I think you should read.

Site Supervisor: Oh, I see that they are not happy with the progress we have made.

Skyscraperfan: I would like to post a comment, what shall I say?

Site Supervisor: Tell them we will double our efforts - immediately!


So, the site supervisor calls a meeting with every construction worker on the site and informs them that the fans on Skyscraper City are crying that construction is taking too long.

Suddenly, everyone looks at each other (like it's not their fault).

So, the site supervisor asks everyone to double their efforts.

The response?

They all chant, "YES WE CAN !!"

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/mr-fish/Miscellaneous/lol.gif

http://i40.tinypic.com/rs7jo9.jpg

Sure so everybody barack obama. Only problem is millions of american want be voting, on how fast this project will be moving. I was 17 when the tower went down. And I'll be damn near 30 when the new ones go up. I've been waiting this long, there's no reason why I can't wait a little longer.

This is the biggest construction mega-site on the planet,
Wait, what?

^^Really? Are you all ignorant? If glancing at this thread for 2-3 minutes for pictures or updates really impacts your life that much, either don't look or shut up. No amount of b*tching in this forum is going to change the fact that construction is ongoing, obstacles are in the way, this is a complex site and workers can only do so much at a time. You don't deserve a t-shirt. (I'm done now).

The whole debacle is ignorant. A cornerstone laid almost 5 years ago is ignorant. I know the comments about progress pace are redundant, but hey,
such is the way. When actual concrete progress is absent or slow, people have nothing to talk about, soooo, no t-shirt for you.

The optimism and defensive nature of the progress on this site is amazing. I think you're all getting checks from the PA. ha!

Not me. :shifty:

By the way, there is no lack of progress. The building is on schedule. What people moan about is the speed the master schedule dictates while they mistake it for a lack of progress. Yes, the schedule changed twice, but that doesn't mean it will change again because in the past there were a lot of problems and major redesigns. I never understood the point of the cornerstone... from what I've heard, it's not even a part of the tower, and why would they place it well below grade? I guess it was supposed to be symbolic, but they didn't have to place it on the FT plot itself. I wonder where it is today.

It's obvious to me that DinoVabec, buildmilehightower, and Ebola are all correct. It could not be said more plainly that this is a huge site and it is currently very cold in New York. It is hard to work quickly and efficiently in old established cities with traffic...miles of 'red-tape' and bureaucracy.

It is also possible that building a skyscraper is not as easy as it used to be. At least not in New York. The Empire State Building went up in what? two years? And that was during the Great Depression, 80 years ago! Though it was like an erector set more or less.

Like everyone else, I still can't believe this tower has really taken this long to get to where it is.

http://i40.tinypic.com/rs7jo9.jpg
So that's where Obama got his slogan from.

(Sorry for OT)

This is the biggest construction mega-site on the planet, so expect this will take time.

I recall reading somewhere that Mayor Bloomberg getting upset that development was taking too long.

Construction is a very slow process.

Typing your comments about it won't speed up the development.


I can see it now, a skyscraper fan manages to secure an emergency meeting with the site supervisor.

Skyscraperfan: Sir, I have disturbing news.

Site Supervisor: What is it?

Skyscraperfan: Our loyal fans from Skyscraper City are typing comments I think you should read.

Site Supervisor: Oh, I see that they are not happy with the progress we have made.

Skyscraperfan: I would like to post a comment, what shall I say?

Site Supervisor: Tell them we will double our efforts - immediately!


So, the site supervisor calls a meeting with every construction worker on the site and informs them that the fans on Skyscraper City are crying that construction is taking too long.

Suddenly, everyone looks at each other (like it's not their fault).

So, the site supervisor asks everyone to double their efforts.

The response?

They all chant, "YES WE CAN !!"

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/mr-fish/Miscellaneous/lol.gif
:)

It's obvious to me that DinoVabec, buildmilehightower, and Ebola are all correct. It could not be said more plainly that this is a huge site and it is currently very cold in New York. It is hard to work quickly and efficiently in old established cities with traffic...miles of 'red-tape' and bureaucracy.

It is also possible that building a skyscraper is not as easy as it used to be. At least not in New York. The Empire State Building went up in what? two years? And that was during the Great Depression, 80 years ago! Though it was like an erector set more or less.

Like everyone else, I still can't believe this tower has really taken this long to get to where it is.

Yep...It's easy to sit in the warm house and type "The progress is so slow"...But there workers workin' 0-24(?) hard works on the cold weather, snow, wind, etc...

So, people should think before they post such a thing...:)

^^Yeah. It is like five minutes is too long for children. It is seem like same thing with some SSC members on here.

This is the biggest construction mega-site on the planet, so expect this will take time.

I recall reading somewhere that Mayor Bloomberg getting upset that development was taking too long.

Construction is a very slow process.

Typing your comments about it won't speed up the development.


I can see it now, a skyscraper fan manages to secure an emergency meeting with the site supervisor.

Skyscraperfan: Sir, I have disturbing news.

Site Supervisor: What is it?

Skyscraperfan: Our loyal fans from Skyscraper City are typing comments I think you should read.

Site Supervisor: Oh, I see that they are not happy with the progress we have made.

Skyscraperfan: I would like to post a comment, what shall I say?

Site Supervisor: Tell them we will double our efforts - immediately!


So, the site supervisor calls a meeting with every construction worker on the site and informs them that the fans on Skyscraper City are crying that construction is taking too long.

Suddenly, everyone looks at each other (like it's not their fault).

So, the site supervisor asks everyone to double their efforts.

The response?

They all chant, "YES WE CAN !!"

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/mr-fish/Miscellaneous/lol.gif

Maybe they are all waiting for it to be official. After 20th everyone will take it up a notch :):lol:

You know what, you give a good idea. I got some italian-american friends, give'm a ring to talk with the local unions and "forget about it""its done" we'll have libertà torre in no time I mean freedom tower, I'll remind him not to change the name. :lol:Capisci,

Salute:)

^^ :lol:

^^ Yeh, we just need real leadership!
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/mr-fish/Miscellaneous/Cool.gif

I'd rather have the city under the influence of the Italian Mafia.

I'd rather have the city under the influence of the Italian Mafia.

I believe you have the Freedom Tower under the influence of the italian Mafia...

I copy this comment from here:

http://uk.imdb.com/title/tt0929425/usercomments?filter=chrono;start=10

Gamorra is Italian cinema at it's best. Outstanding. Hollywood would have destroyed this film had it been made there. The acting is first rate - the cinematography as real as it gets, and the film never shows the outside world - just what's happening in Naples. The guy who wrote the book is under police protection, and these gangsters have been shockingly linked to involvement in the World Trade Center rebuilding project!

It's not really a spoiler, but I reveal you a shocking sentence at the end of the film Gomorra, after it ends. Anyway it's a film you must see.

And forgive my english, I am spanish (not italian, capisci?) :lol: :lol:

IMDB comments. Truly the best source for factual information.

I'm sorry, but everybody says "It is taking so long," do you think that your individual remark is going to do anything? Are you getting anywhere? Hasn't everybody else already posted that; are you saying something new? NO, SO SHUTUP



just kidding,

no but actually, stop

who cares if it isn't rising?

We don't want!
Let it be on hold for as long as possible.

^^ It's not on hold...

IMDB comments. Truly the best source for factual information.

No, I saw the film. I am the source. It appears at the end of the film. I linked IMDB to show you that the sentence appears. But If you don't trust me go and see the film. You are going to enjoy it a lot anyway.

Wrong thread, sorry.

who cares if it isn't rising?

We don't want!
Let it be on hold for as long as possible.
:?

3tmk's making the point though, if you have no patience, come back in a year.

Does anyone know what the South Mezzanine in the transportation hub is? Isn't there only one mezzanine in the hub (the one east of the North Tower pool and west of Greenwich Street, which caused so much controversy about whether it should be column-free or not)? I figured it would end (to the south) at the point where the South Tower pool sits. So, uh, what is the south mezzanine???

30 seconds ago, NY1 reproted that removal of ramp the ramp is complete, that there is great progress on the memorial, and that the foundation of the Freedom Tower has been completed.

30 seconds ago, NY1 reproted that removal of ramp the ramp is complete, that there is great progress on the memorial, and that the foundation of the Freedom Tower has been completed.

Alright, now the contractors can double their efforts!

lol !!

:D

From panyni.gov website.

http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/gallery/quarterly_report/wtc_progress_011309_2.jpg

Another great photo from PA. They have several previous photos from past months from this angle. Great progress being made. God I wish they had a webcam from this angle!

http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/gallery/photos/wtc_site/WTC-Aerial_labelled-jan09.jpg

It is also possible that building a skyscraper is not as easy as it used to be. At least not in New York. The Empire State Building went up in what? two years? And that was during the Great Depression, 80 years ago! Though it was like an erector set more or less.They also didn't have safety regulations during the Great Depression, much like they don't in China or Dubai today:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c6/Old_timer_structural_worker2.jpg/749px-Old_timer_structural_worker2.jpg
According to official estimates, five workers died building the ESB, and the real tally was probably higher. If the choice is between faster construction and workers' lives, I would hope that everyone would choose the workers' lives.Another great photo from PA. They have several previous photos from past months from this angle. Great progress being made. God I wish they had a webcam from this angle!

http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/gallery/photos/wtc_site/WTC-Aerial_labelled-jan09.jpgFantastic photo! PANYNJ also released their first quarterly report, which details the milestones accomplished during the fourth quarter of 2008:
World Trade Center Quarterly Report: 4th Quarter 2008 (PDF) (http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/pdf/4Q2008_Report.pdf)

I thought that 14 people died building the Empire State Building, and that before construction started, it was estimated that for each floor completed, one person would die.

I thought that 14 people died building the Empire State Building, and that before construction started, it was estimated that for each floor completed, one person would die.Five is the official number, but I wouldn't be surprised if the "real" number was 14. I believe I've also heard that estimate about one per floor.

New pictures from the PANYNJ Fourth Quarter Report:
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/1678/4q200801wm1.jpg

http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/9848/4q200802qu2.jpg

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/3828/4q200803sg0.jpg

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/2756/4q200804mx2.jpg

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/1301/4q200805ql6.jpg

thank you adam :banana: everything looks good so far

thanks, adam, it's a good way to see how they advance :)

Thanks adam for the pics :cheers:

thanx for the updates,i love the old pic with man working on the esb ,no harness no hardhat and no fear , great stuff.

looks pretty damn good. I didn't think they had that much done. The whole site looks pretty damn good.

The memorial museum seems that will resemble a tower that has fallen on its side. Very nice, It couldnt be better than that i believe. I like it a lot.

Thanks, Adam. That is one of best upgrade news! :)

[QUOTE=adam-albany;30767712]They also didn't have safety regulations during the Great Depression, much like they don't in China or Dubai today:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c6/Old_timer_structural_worker2.jpg/749px-Old_timer_structural_worker2.jpg

What is that building right behind the steelworker's left shoulder? The design almost wouldn't look old if it were built today.

cool pic, that guy has nerves of steel :lol:

cool pic, that guy has nerves of steel :lol:
I would "jizz" in my pants :lol:

[QUOTE=adam-albany;30767712]They also didn't have safety regulations during the Great Depression, much like they don't in China or Dubai today:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c6/Old_timer_structural_worker2.jpg/749px-Old_timer_structural_worker2.jpg

What is that building right behind the steelworker's left shoulder? The design almost wouldn't look old if it were built today.

^^i love those pictures

[QUOTE=adam-albany;30767712]They also didn't have safety regulations during the Great Depression, much like they don't in China or Dubai today:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c6/Old_timer_structural_worker2.jpg/749px-Old_timer_structural_worker2.jpg

What is that building right behind the steelworker's left shoulder? The design almost wouldn't look old if it were built today.

I can't give you details... but imagine that this man is cutting the beam...

It happened. In Spain :nuts: (5 floors)

^^ lol, but he would still be ok as there is a column under that beam. :)

The webcam shows steel columns being erected where the ramp used to be:

http://img4.myimg.de/steeldbfe0.png

What is that building right behind the steelworker's left shoulder? The design almost wouldn't look old if it were built today.
That's the Lincoln Building (http://www.nyc-architecture.com/MID/MID149.htm), built in 1930; 53 storeys, 673' tall.
The building obscuring the base of the Chrysler Building is the Channin Building (http://www.nyc-architecture.com/MID/MID019.htm), 1929, 56 storeys and 680'.
.

here we go...

http://www.downtownexpress.com/de_298/portrecession.html

here we go...

http://www.downtownexpress.com/de_298/portrecession.html

What a pathetic joke.

I'm over these towers.

The webcam shows steel columns being erected where the ramp used to be:

http://img4.myimg.de/steeldbfe0.png
That specific area is for Memorial i think...

I saw yesterday the movie "Babylon A.D." Scenes from the future of New York all WTC towers have been completed, including of course WTC1 and WTC2.
That was very cool :) Looks so real!

oh, men these tower are really nice, 2011 its lot time......i wanna see them now!

here we go...

http://www.downtownexpress.com/de_298/portrecession.html

It only says that the recession may affect Towers 2 and 3, not 1 or 4 (or the memorial for that matter). We already knew that Towers 2 and 3 weren't going to be completed until way, way after the other two since the east bathtub where they will stand hasn't even been excavated yet. Likewise, the recession may affect Tower 5, but we already knew that Tower 5 wasn't going to be completed for a long time, so who cares.

As long as the Freedom Tower and the memorial (an entire half of the site - and the MOST IMPORTANT half) are completed roughly on time, I'll be happy. And this article doesn't suggest any delays with them.

[QUOTE=adam-albany;30767712]They also didn't have safety regulations during the Great Depression, much like they don't in China or Dubai today:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c6/Old_timer_structural_worker2.jpg/749px-Old_timer_structural_worker2.jpg

What is that building right behind the steelworker's left shoulder? The design almost wouldn't look old if it were built today.

I honestly wouldn't trust man of that age to be in charge of tightening the bolts. OMG. :ohno:

A bif off-topic but im curious about it. From what skyscraper is that photo? And why is he fastening bolts to connect the irons together, welding wasnt discovered yet then?

empire state building ^^

here we go...
http://www.downtownexpress.com/de_298/portrecession.htmlI'm not familiar with the bureaucracy involved, but why is the Port Authority executive director suggesting delays for towers 2 and 3 when those towers are going to be financed and built by Silverstein? Wouldn't it be up to Silverstein to make - and announce - such a decision?

It's not really the PAs business. Larry is paying rent on those sites whether they have buildings or not. The only way they'll be delayed is PA gives him a new lease that excludes 2 and 3, and they don't have much incentive to do that because they'd be losing a ton of money.

Glad everybody enjoyed the photos!:A bif off-topic but im curious about it. From what skyscraper is that photo? And why is he fastening bolts to connect the irons together, welding wasnt discovered yet then?As ZZ-II said, it's the Empire State Building. Welding had been discovered, but a practical means of getting power up dozens of stories of structural steel hadn't yet. This photo was taken in 1930.

That's the Lincoln Building (http://www.nyc-architecture.com/MID/MID149.htm), built in 1930; 53 storeys, 673' tall.
The building obscuring the base of the Chrysler Building is the Channin Building (http://www.nyc-architecture.com/MID/MID019.htm), 1929, 56 storeys and 680'.
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Thank you...the architecture website is great, BTW. I'll be visiting it often!!

A bif off-topic but im curious about it. From what skyscraper is that photo? And why is he fastening bolts to connect the irons together, welding wasnt discovered yet then?
The ESB was mostly hot-riveted together, nowadays they would use bolts (safer and less labor intensive). Welding in the field is too unreliable for use in building and bridge structures.

Mike

A bif off-topic but im curious about it. From what skyscraper is that photo? And why is he fastening bolts to connect the irons together, welding wasnt discovered yet then?
Constructing Empire State Building in 1929 (for the date i'm not sure)

I would like a similar pic with workers in Freedom Tower's floors :)

They are erecting steel over the east-west pedestrian connector. They are also laying rebar around the north core.

They also didn't have safety regulations during the Great Depression, much like they don't in China or Dubai today:


There are safety regulations (http://www.fdi.gov.cn/pub/FDI_EN/Laws/GeneralLawsandRegulations/BasicLaws/P020060620320083907114.pdf)in China. I can't believe people still think China is a free-for-all where money is the only thing that people care for. The problems occur when construction companies disobey safety laws, which is not as common as you may think. There are safety violations in every country.

They are erecting steel over the east-west pedestrian connector. They are also laying rebar around the north core.

every time I give up looking at webcam with lack of progress, things happen :ohno:

^^That sucks. Earthcam also has an uncanny knack for going down when truly interesting things happen.

working fine here :)

here is 1 pic of Memorial Foundation:

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/4239/3185596840121630e7cfbfv9.jpg

http://www.flickr.com/photos/80565261@N00/3185596840/

There are safety regulations (http://www.fdi.gov.cn/pub/FDI_EN/Laws/GeneralLawsandRegulations/BasicLaws/P020060620320083907114.pdf)in China. I can't believe people still think China is a free-for-all where money is the only thing that people care for. The problems occur when construction companies disobey safety laws, which is not as common as you may think. There are safety violations in every country.Than why was it that the new buildings collapsed during the Sichuan earthquake last year, why the old buildings made it through with minor or no damage?here is 1 pic of Memorial Foundation:

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/4239/3185596840121630e7cfbfv9.jpgGreat shot, webeagle! We watch all of these webcams that take in the whole site, and it takes a shot like that to reinforce the massive scale of this project.

Constructing Empire State Building in 1929 (for the date i'm not sure)

I would like a similar pic with workers in Freedom Tower's floors :)

That picture of the ESB was taking in the 1930's. There are no pictures of ESB before 1930. Excavation of the site began on January 22, 1930 and the building opened May 1 1931. 16 months after it stated

It looks like that they started building part of the new Fulton Street next to the Freedom Tower today.

It looks like that they started building part of the new Fulton Street next to the Freedom Tower today.It's not the final Fulton Street, it's a temporary construction road that will be used for hauling in steel for the memorial:
http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/press_releasesItem.cfm?headLine_id=1185
TRAFFIC ADVISORY - NORTHBOUND RIGHT LANE ON WEST STREET TO BE CLOSED SATURDAY TO FURTHER ONGOING WTC SITE CONSTRUCTION

Date: Jan 16, 2009

Press Release Number: 9

The northbound right lane on West Street between Albany and Vesey streets will be temporarily closed on Saturday, January 17, to further ongoing construction at the World Trade Center site.

The temporary closing of the northbound right lane on West Street will allow the existing World Trade Center perimeter fence to be extended westward to allow the development of an internal construction road that will allow trucks to deliver steel for the National September 11 Memorial & Museum.

The work will be done between 7 a.m. and 7 p.m. tomorrow, January 17. Motorists may encounter slight traffic delays due to the lane closing.

The lane closing is part of a cooperative effort between the Port Authority, New York State Department of Transportation and New York City Department of Transportation all working together to advance Lower Manhattan construction.

CONTACT:
The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey
Steve Coleman, 212 435-7777

Also, I think the PANYNJ mentioned it will help with construction of the Freedom Tower.

:ohno::ohno:i think poeple afrid cant rise up will be summer now if time 417m 108fl

:ohno::ohno:i think poeple afrid cant rise up will be summer july if time 417m 108fl not
this but my freind told me real 400m 94floors not change :lol:

What does this even mean?!

THEY CAN'T BUILT WAIT TO JULY:bash:

^^ :wtf:

ok look new york dont want freedom tower too high they want low
but not change. on hold in jan to july good day in summer can rising up

^^ I saw your post in the Dubai section of this forum. You thing the whole world is on hold don't you? :lol:
Now QTF and start acting like a normal 17 years old again.

hey not joker
i in wedsite world and friend told me i try help
you sometime talk this there no way i watch skyscraperctiy 4 year
world not happy :bash::ohno:

The tower is under construction, and it will continue to rise; however, the FLOORS will not rise above the street until summer is over, but the core will be going up more in Q1, Q2 2009 I'm sure.

hey not joker
i in wedsite world and friend told me i try help
you sometime talk this there no way i watch skyscraperctiy 4 year
world not happy :bash::ohno: ????

The tower is under construction, and it will continue to rise; however, the FLOORS will not rise above the street until summer is over, but the core will be going up more in Q1, Q2 2009 I'm sure.

oops i find mistake
2009 in macrh

[QUOTE=micrip;30817920]

I honestly wouldn't trust man of that age to be in charge of tightening the bolts. OMG. :ohno:
He's only 28.....but had a hard life

I didn't know meth was invented back then.

hey not joker
i in wedsite world and friend told me i try help
you sometime talk this there no way i watch skyscraperctiy 4 year
world not happy :bash::ohno:

Try posting in proper English next time and try to be less offensive. We'd appreciate it.

ok sign hand i no voice
hard english dont worry i learn:)

It's not the final Fulton Street, it's a temporary construction road that will be used for hauling in steel for the memorial:

u 100% wrong here buddy

#1 they are moving concrete barriers on route 9A in order to create more space for trucks to park.

#2 If you notice by freedom tower they began to lay steel for final Fulton Street. ( that what he was talking about)

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/8387/siteplannorthiw0.jpg

ok sign hand i no voice
hard english dont worry i learn:)

I'm Deaf and use American Sign Language too. I understand your struggles but all I can say... Keep trying and you will pick English up eventually. :)

:?

what's :? about it?
nobody likes the freedom tower. I only wish they could destroy it now and stop building it.

is it any wonder that only you tourists seem interested in it?

what's :? about it?
nobody likes the freedom tower. I only wish they could destroy it now and stop building it.

is it any wonder that only you tourists seem interested in it?

I wouldn't go that far. I like it because the restaurant and the observation deck will be coming back. If it wasn't for those two things I'd hate it, but common man give it a little credit.

*I'm still pissed we won't be getting an open-air observation deck. Real let down.

The webcam shows steel columns being erected where the ramp used to be:

http://img4.myimg.de/steeldbfe0.png

http://www.panynj.gov/drp/images/wtcsiteprep/wbt75/Fig3WestBtubQuad.pdf

http://www.panynj.gov/drp/images/wtcsiteprep/wbt75/Fig1KeyPlanWBT.pdf

In the recent panynj report this is called sector 3

Chiller plant serves the memorial and transportation hub

Anyone Know the cooling system for the freedom tower?

Unlinked

I'm Deaf and use American Sign Language too. I understand your struggles but all I can say... Keep trying and you will pick English up eventually. :)

you can help me thank god i cant find deaf poeple

well apparently the steel that was laid on a "new" Fulton Street yesterday was actually a steel for south core of the tower. They just put everything together there and lift it up to a south core.

I don't recall seeing steel combined with the core on the lower levels. I thought the core was going to be all concrete. Seems a little strange. But anyways, nice to see more height to the tower. Should be pretty close to 50feet high now (above street level).

1776ft a coincidence or deliberate?

deliberate

NYGuy:
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/108281890/large.jpg

Is this structural steel erection or what?

That steal looks very out of place. It looks very lightweight compared to the rest of the steel this been used and from what we've been told the core is supposed to be all reinforced concrete? It'll be interesting to see what happens with it. :nuts:

Exactly what I thought.

hey above now or later
office or resident

I don't recall seeing steel combined with the core on the lower levels. I thought the core was going to be all concrete. Seems a little strange. But anyways, nice to see more height to the tower. Should be pretty close to 50feet high now (above street level).

yes it still will be reinforce concrete :)

hey not joker
i in wedsite world and friend told me i try help
you sometime talk this there no way i watch skyscraperctiy 4 year
world not happy :bash::ohno:

:D I'll make jacobchan's post sound great after this:

No gym for home, work out floor with 30, but is it for 20 like 30 lb when you no lift it to be for men, for 30 lbs instead? or half is 10 for 20 pounds?

:D I'll make jacobchan's post sound great after this:

No gym for home, work out floor with 30, but is it for 20 like 30 lb when you no lift it to be for men, for 30 lbs instead? or half is 10 for 20 pounds?

thank you
same you :lol:

well apparently the steel that was laid on a "new" Fulton Street yesterday was actually a steel for south core of the tower. They just put everything together there and lift it up to a south core.Glad I'm not the only one who's "100% wrong", then!:)

Come on Rise like Burj Dubai

http://www.panynj.gov/drp/images/wtcsiteprep/wbt75/Fig3WestBtubQuad.pdf

http://www.panynj.gov/drp/images/wtcsiteprep/wbt75/Fig1KeyPlanWBT.pdf


where did you find these pdf? can you find also the so called "figure 2" ?

thanks

Glad I'm not the only one who's "100% wrong", then!:)

ummm read your answer again, you were looking at Route 9A, we were both looking at new Fulton street :|. From webcam it did look like they laid steel for new road and yes I was wrong. :)

I've had dreams about skyscrapers before, but this dream I just had was the most amazing I one can remember. I think I was on the Staten Island Ferry or some other large ship and we were heading to lower Manhattan. The Freedom Tower wasn't completed, but it was topped out; it stood much taller than the other towers, which were still under construction, but it was a little different. It had lots of steel, so much that you could hardly make out the core or floors, and the steel was blood red and in a simple latticework shape. Thing is, even though I doubt that's what it would look really like, I felt like it was real, I though I was really there and it was really there, totally forgetting or ignoring the fact that it would be two years before the building topped out. I just want to go back to that dream now because it was so damn good, that feeling. I didn't know people could have dreams with such detail, I remember seeing the WFC at certain points and all of the buildings and details that you see when approaching lower Manhattan from the south... I may be going insane. Someone tell me if I lost it. I'm still finding it hard to believe that the dream was a dream... it was devastating to realize I was really in my bed. I could have been hallucinating, I just don't know what the hell happened. :nuts:

where did you find these pdf? can you find also the so called "figure 2" ?

thanks

maybe this search helps you

http://www.google.com/search?hl=de&q=site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.panynj.gov%2Fdrp%2Fimages%2Fwtcsiteprep+filetype%3Apdf&btnG=Suche&lr=

there are several "Figure 2"-results

maybe this search helps you

http://www.google.com/search?hl=de&q=site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.panynj.gov%2Fdrp%2Fimages%2Fwtcsiteprep+filetype%3Apdf&btnG=Suche&lr=

there are several "Figure 2"-results

omg thank you :)

while empire state was being built, usa was in a big financial crysis. emprite state was going to be the biggest building in the world.

now, 80 years later, we have the same situation... freedom tower and chicago spiral are being built (one of the biggest in the world) and now we have a big depression...

just a comparation...

The Chicago Spire project is on hold lol

while empire state was being built, usa was in a big financial crysis. emprite state was going to be the biggest building in the world.

now, 80 years later, we have the same situation... freedom tower and chicago spiral are being built (one of the biggest in the world) and now we have a big depression...

just a comparation...

So for the next depression, if someone tries to build a 2 km skyscraper tall, begin to save your money :lol:

Well, in 80 years, in 2089, I believe that I won't have any financial problems. :lol::lol::lol:

I've had dreams about skyscrapers before, but this dream I just had was the most amazing I one can remember...

you should ask the other people walking around in your dreams for money. you can then spend this money in your dream.
Once I had a dream where me and my father went up the Hancock tower in Boston, via a LADDER on the outside of the building. To get down, we had to go to the edge of the building, reach down, grab the ladder, swing our legs over the edge and start climbing down.

deliberate

NYGuy:
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/108281890/large.jpg

Is this structural steel erection or what?
That steal looks like it is part of the core :dunno:

^^ People have been saying IT IS part of the core for pages.

It will be wrapped in rebars then buried inside concrete for ever...

you should ask the other people walking around in your dreams for money. you can then spend this money in your dream.
Once I had a dream where me and my father went up the Hancock tower in Boston, via a LADDER on the outside of the building. To get down, we had to go to the edge of the building, reach down, grab the ladder, swing our legs over the edge and start climbing down.

:lol: I didn't remember seeing any people, but next time I do I will. Strange dream though. Funny how you usually never realize that it's not real.

Today by NYguy, SSP:

1.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/108281890/large.jpg

2.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/108281913/large.jpg

3.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/108281921/large.jpg

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http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/108281931/large.jpg

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http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/108281953/large.jpg

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http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/108281980/large.jpg

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http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/108281993/large.jpg

8.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/108282016/large.jpg

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http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/108282050/large.jpg

10.
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/108282083/large.jpg

thanks for the update!!!

They see real progress in this work, the truth that I love this tower, and although it is not built and began to fascinate me like the twin towers.

further installation of steel on the cores. It looks like the steel from top of south core has overlapped on to the top of northern core which is miles below the steel.

There's MUCH MORE core steel installed now. Check out the cams, guys. Thay may have been working overnight.

^^lol that's what I said.

is culwalla doing the foundation diagram on the new buildings? wanna see the height of this tower soon.