What is that diagram all about anyway? lol

If ESB is 102 stories... Why I saw so many references including SKYSCRAPERS and architectural books and I went there once. I kept seeing it said 80 stories. Please explain.

If ESB is 102 stories... Why I saw so many references including SKYSCRAPERS and architectural books and I went there once. I kept seeing it said 80 stories. Please explain.

Here's why:

The building is typically described as being 102 stories tall, although it has only 85 stories of commercial and office space (2,158,000 square feet / 200,465 square meter), with an observation deck on the 86th floor. The remaining 16 stories represent the spire, which supports the antenna on top.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empire_state_building#Features

Here's why:

The building is typically described as being 102 stories tall, although it has only 85 stories of commercial and office space (2,158,000 square feet / 200,465 square meter), with an observation deck on the 86th floor. The remaining 16 stories represent the spire, which supports the antenna on top.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empire_state_building#Features

That's what I had in my mind. Thanks for the explaination! :)

Sorry, let's get back to the subject.

in my mind,381m is not the roof,381m is the antenna.

and i do not think the ESB is such taller than the chrysler buiding.
if the diagrams are correct,the top of the ESB IS 450M.then will be taller than JINMAO building(SHANGHAI).

As has already been said, the diagrams are pretty damn near accurate except for some minor problems on the roof height for the second tier from the top on the ESB...

Here's why:

The building is typically described as being 102 stories tall, although it has only 85 stories of commercial and office space (2,158,000 square feet / 200,465 square meter), with an observation deck on the 86th floor. The remaining 16 stories represent the spire, which supports the antenna on top.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empire_state_building#Features
The Wiki needs to be edited. There's a second, much higher observation room at the top of the spire. It's a cramped little space that was closed to the public soon after 9/11, and I don't know if it's ever been reopened. Based on the incomplete info in the wiki, it seems that the upper observation room is still off limits to the public. I do believe that that room is at 102 stories.

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/1130/gennycoq3.png

is this diagrams about empire state building and chrysler building correct?

i think this diagrams is wrong!
the empire state building is 381m high totally,including roof,spire and antenna.

http://www.esbnyc.com/tourism/index.cfm?CFID=21758381&CFTOKEN=78120904

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New York's famous Empire State Building, a New York City Landmark and a National Historic Landmark, soars more than a quarter of a mile into the atmosphere above the heart of Manhattan.

Located on the 86th floor, 1,050 feet (320 meters) above the city's bustling streets, the Observatory offers panoramic views from within a glass enclosed pavilion and from the surrounding open-air promenade.

looks good, but is it the same as the freedom tower or is it different? if its different, then where in new york will it be??

The diagram is slightly wrong but not far off.

Look where the observation level is on that diagram: about 325m up, which is close to what the article on ESB's webpage says. The roof height (i.e. the height the tower was before the approx. 68m spire/broadcasting antenna was added in the 50's) is 381m. 381m+68m = 449m which is near correct.

i think this diagrams is wrong!
the empire state building is 381m high totally,including roof,spire and antenna.

http://www.esbnyc.com/tourism/index.cfm?CFID=21758381&CFTOKEN=78120904
According to that website (http://www.esbnyc.com/tourism/tourism_facts.cfm?CFID=21758381&CFTOKEN=78120904), these are the dimensions of the Empire State Building:
1,454 feet (1,453 feet, 8 9/16th inches) or
443.2 meters to top of lightning rod.
To 86th Floor Observatory:
1,050 feet (320 meters)
To 102nd Floor Tower:
1,224 feet (373 meters)
102nd Floor to Tip:
230 feet
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k98/Archiconnoisseur/gennycoq3.png

As I already mentioned previously, there is a 102nd floor observatory (http://www.esbnyc.com/tourism/forum/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=1&CFID=14220&CFTOKEN=1408&Topic=25) above the 86th floor one. Ovaled in the drawing is the main 86th floor indoor/outdoor observatory. Circled is the much smaller and higher 102nd floor observatory. The people who wrote the wiki entry aren't aware of this upper observatory. To recap, the building is 320 meters to the 86th floor, then another 53 meters to the 102nd floor. On top of this is an antenna, and on top of this is a lightning rod.

Yeah, I remember interior shots of that upper observatory in Peter Jackson's King Kong. I would have loved to have used that one instead of the lower podium... but there are so many visitors to ESB per year I don't think they would be able to meet the demand considering how small the floor space is!

Yeah, I remember interior shots of that upper observatory in Peter Jackson's King Kong. I would have loved to have used that one instead of the lower podium... but there are so many visitors to ESB per year I don't think they would be able to meet the demand considering how small the floor space is!
It was ugly and cramped inside, and it felt like one was in an underwater vessel due to the exposed painted metal. The 86th floor observatory, while much lower, is still better.

The WTC tower's observatory was so much sleeker and roomier. The view wasn't as romantic as that of the ESB's, but the viewing area was much more comfortable. Also, it was incredibly eerie to see a huge twin structure right next to you. Sort of a religious experience...

Who Cares!!!! This thread is about the Freedom Tower!!! Not the ESB:bash:

NY Post

VANTONE'S BACK FOR MORE
CHINESE REALTY FIRM WITH 'PAST' IN NEW BID FOR FREEDOM TOWER LEASE

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April 3, 2007 -- BEIJING Vantone, the Chinese real estate development company that walked away from two signed leases Downtown, says it's still serious about opening a "China Center" in Lower Manhattan.

China Center New York Executive Director Xue Ya acknowledged that "Our reputation has been hurt" by Vantone's pullouts from done deals at 7 World Trade Center last summer and at 195 Broadway last month.

But she pleaded for "understanding" and insisted the company had acted in good faith.

A brochure promoting its intended home at 7 WTC last year described it as "a dynamic hub for Chinese firms developing U.S. operations, and for U.S. companies wishing to conduct business in China." The center was to include an executive business club, conference center and travel center.

Vantone remains committed to that goal, Ya said - possibly at the top of the Freedom Tower, where besides being a tenant, "We want to participate in it," with the Port Authority, although she did not specify what sort of partnership she was referring to.

Real Estate and PA officials confirmed "serious" but "very preliminary" talks for about 400,000 square feet on the "iconic" tower's highest floors. PA spokesman John McCarthy said, "We'll need to be comfortable they demonstrate the financial capacity to move forward."

Vantone has a lotta 'splainin' to do after walk-aways from done deals left mud on its face. It made things awkward for two New Yorkers of unblemished reputations - Jones Lang LaSalle Regional President Peter Riguardi, Vantone's broker, and New York City Partnership President Kathryn Wylde, a strong advocate for Vantone's quest to launch a New York base.

Vantone thrust itself into Ground Zero politics by expressing interest in the Freedom Tower three years ago. When the project fell behind schedule, Vantone turned to 7 WTC, which was going up.

The company signed a term sheet with Larry Silverstein, a step that prompted then Gov. Pataki to prematurely stage a photo-op at the site.

The lease for the top five floors was later signed. But Silverstein cancelled the deal when he said Vantone "repeatedly" reneged on a $45 million letter of credit.

Ya says it was Silverstein's fault for rejecting the credit letter that Vantone ultimately produced. A spokesman for Silverstein said Vantone never produced the letter, but "wishes them the best."

Vantone claimed that Silverstein dumped the deal for 200,000 square feet when the market improved and found he could get $50-plus rents for 7 WTC, compared with the $45 Vantone would pay.

But no such case could be made at 195 Broadway nearby, owned by L&L Acquisitions' David W. Levinson and Robert T. Lapidus.

Vantone and L&L signed and counter-signed a lease for 120,000 square feet last month. Company Chairman Feng Lun flew in to sign it himself and promised the letter of credit - but again didn't deliver it.

Ya claims to have been surprised, too. In February, she was called back to China. Vantone's board "made a final business decision" not to go ahead, she said, because "Our Chinese bank had changed its conditions for the letter of credit." Levinson had no comment yesterday.

The timing of Vantone's exit there raises an impolite question. Vantone wanted to be in the Freedom Tower from the start - because, Ya said, the Chinese expect offices to be in new, instantly identifiable buildings, and "It's very hard for Chinese people to recognize" older New York addresses as valuable.

Vantone turned to 7 WTC and 195 Broadway only when the ultra-tall tower's timetable became unpredictable.

Then, last month, Gov. Spitzer backed the Freedom Tower after predictions he would delay it again. The news broke on Feb. 21, the day after we reported on the broken lease at 195 Broadway.

But could Lun have known about Spitzer's intentions earlier than that? Would it have given Vantone reason to find a way out of the lease with L&L?

Asked those questions yesterday, Ya first said, "I think a very minor part," but then denied knowing about Spitzer's green-lighting the Freedom Tower "until I read it in the paper."

Riguardi said, "Having visited their developments in Beijing, I feel strongly this is an organization committed to New York. But like any prudent business, they have to make sure they make the right deal.

"A lot is involved in doing business between the U.S. and China and it's going to take time."

Wylde said, "the business relationship between New York and China is extremely important to the city's future, which is why we've supported Vantone's efforts to bring more Chinese companies here."

i think this diagrams is wrong!
the empire state building is 381m high totally,including roof,spire and antenna.

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New York's famous Empire State Building, a New York City Landmark and a National Historic Landmark, soars more than a quarter of a mile into the atmosphere above the heart of Manhattan.

Located on the 86th floor, 1,050 feet (320 meters) above the city's bustling streets, the Observatory offers panoramic views from within a glass enclosed pavilion and from the surrounding open-air promenade.

no it is right, Archiconnoisseur is absolutely right!

Progress finally....cranes are a good thing when ur building Americas best new tower in all the land! ! !

I agree, Im sure the cranes will be up by next week.

Who Cares!!!! This thread is about the Freedom Tower!!! Not the ESB:bash:

We do care. You need to work on your attitude. :ohno:

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/8403/img23bn9.jpg

^Right across the street from 1WTC, the GS Global HQ Tower (750 feet tall; 229 meters)

FT tower cranes are going to rise ASAP. I'm so excited, and things are going to get even better with other projects in other parts of the city that will make the WTC look like nothing. Construction on WTC Towers 3 and 4 (1,255' and 950') starts later this year. JPMorgan Chase is in negotiations with state and city officials to build another WTC skyscraper, Tower 5.

very good....^^ things start to move around there ....:cheers: quite slow..from other places..but ...hope...for a quick growth
:dance:

WOW! FINALLY! WOOOOOTTTTTT :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

wow, it has to be great to meet people's expectations.

Nice progress

Have they erected the cranes yet?

I see more progress on the construction now. I hope that the construction gets fast.

Thats the goldman sachs tower I believe, not the freedom tower.

Off-topic-
Well, I have a question that bothers me for quite long time. In 2003 I visited New York city in the month of october. In many photos I took I can see this UC building which I've never heard of. I dont know what about it today, and I'd like you to give me some information and photos of it (it's probably finished).
Here's a photo I took and the UC building in the middle-
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/5316/056fe7.jpg

that's the 7 wtc

is it finished?

yep :)

can someone show me a photo of it? :angel1:

http://english.people.com.cn/200605/25/images/0524_A83.jpg

Yay! If the cranes go up now then I can see them construct the FT when I'm there in 3 weeks! :)

Man, this is going to be untouchable.

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/6103/nwtcdrawing2be1.jpg

Umm... there needs to be a button 'delete this post'!!

Wow excellent drawing. Please insert the Calatrava transit center between WTC2 and WTC3. NYC will have six towers over 1000 feet???

OOPS I mean seven if counting the spire on NYT tower

Yeah I'll add the hub when I have some time. NYC will have 7 or 8 buildings over 1000' by 2012 and by 2016 it will for sure be over 10. There are some megaprojects under design now. One, the MSG project, may be bigger than the WTC.

I hope and pray that once this tower is complete, it or any of the remaining complex will never have to encounter a terroist attack like the original. It was such an tragedy, and the process of getting this complex built has taken forever:ohno:

By the way, is it true that the crane will be erected this coming week? If so, will it be visible in the skyline coming from Jersey or the Brooklyn Bridge?

as sad as the terrorist act was, it is only going to make NY stronger... these new buildings are at a different level.. im not saying it was a favor because it was trajic, but it created an opportunity for new development... half of rome burnt once right?...

Umm, new york isnt really developing much anymore. Sure its building, but nothing that people across the world can look at and say "WOW."

Umm, new york isnt really developing much anymore. Sure its building, but nothing that people across the world can look at and say "WOW."

THen move to dubai, chill there and stop talkin about New York. We like our city and we stand behind it.

Umm, new york isnt really developing much anymore. Sure its building, but nothing that people across the world can look at and say "WOW."

how could you say that? New York doesnt need 3000 story towers for me to say wow, i say wow every time i am there. if people across the world arent inspired by NY they have probably never been there. These buildings are sick, they are wow, they are more "wow" than anything being built in the civilized world... :tongue3:

THen move to dubai, chill there and stop talkin about New York. We like our city and we stand behind it.

Haha come on, look at his avatar.

Anyway, I dont care if they're building a 300 ft piece of crap in the middle of a city no one's heard of, it could still be magnificent to look at. Dubai just takes it and throws billions of dollars into manufacturing a city out of nowhere.

Reminds me of a mirage

how could you say that? New York doesnt need 3000 story towers for me to say wow, i say wow every time i am there. if people across the world arent inspired by NY they have probably never been there. These buildings are sick, they are wow, they are more "wow" than anything being built in the civilized world... :tongue3:

You have your opinion and I have mine.

Unfortunately, for you, your opininon is wrong.

Yes, in fact, an opinion can be wrong. :banana:

You have your opinion and I have mine.

Unfortunately, for you, your opininon is wrong.

Yes, in fact, an opinion can be wrong. :banana:

An opinion can't be wrong, because it is an opinion. A fact could be wrong. But an opinion is not a fact. So hence an opinion cannot be wrong, just a matter of taste.

An opinion can't be wrong, because it is an opinion. A fact could be wrong. But an opinion is not a fact. So hence an opinion cannot be wrong, just a matter of taste.

In my opinion, the earth is flat. Am I wrong?

Whether the Earth is flat or round is a fact, not a matter of opinion. It's round and has been proven so.

Roughly spherical actually !

Any chance you people can STFU and get back to talking about this tower?

LOL...so...what is the air velocity of a swallow?

ohh...

http://www.oxfordmail.net/_images/db/47/52/10om04zero_v03.475223.full.jpg

"An Oxford student is playing a part in the project to build a new skyscraper in New York on the site of the World Trade Center, which was destroyed in the September 11 terrorist attacks in 2001.

Christian Bergner, from Wood Farm, has won a four-month contract with Libeskind, the leading architectural firm that has designed the Freedom Tower.

Mr Bergner will be part of a team working for architect Daniel Libeskind to make models and produce detailed plans for the new building.

Mr Bergner admitted there was a great responsibility with the role, but thought the tower could breathe new life into the city."

WTC Tower 5? Finally!

A new WTC5?

fantastic news, can't wait to see the first render. but i don't think the height will be over 250m

why not? who knows.. Maybe the height could be over 300m

Can someone answer my question?

Will the tower crane be up by the end of the week? And will it be visible in the skyline?

It will be at least 250 meters (to the roof) in my opinion. Anywhere from 250 to 300 sounds right.

Can someone answer my question?

Will the tower crane be up by the end of the week? And will it be visible in the skyline?


Please Answer!!!!

i dont think so ^^

Umm, new york isnt really developing much anymore. Sure its building, but nothing that people across the world can look at and say "WOW."

Obvious, you know nothing about New York City... NYC is having over a hundred of new skyscrapers under construction right now. New York City is still developing as well. If you think about historic skyscrapers such as Flation Building, Chysler Building, Empire State Building, etc., people would still say WOW to New York City. New York City has long history of world's tallest bulidings than compared to any cites in the world. Plus New York City has so many to offer than most of cities around the world. Why do you think why millions and millions of people around the world are still visiting New York City before and after 9/11? It is obvious people are still WOWing at New York City.

How much longer will it be, before they erect the crane, and this building begins to rise?

Also, how long does it usually take for them to erect a crane?

First off, the Ground Zero Watch on NY Magazine mentioned that the FT is not expected to rise until almost next year if it does get built.

[QUOTE=Also, how long does it usually take for them to erect a crane?[/QUOTE]

If it's a Favelle-Favco crane, similar to the ones at BofA or the one's that have gone up across the road from WTC, then it's a day..

But the base will usually sit for a week to two weeks to let it settle..

They place pins into concrete square, then pop the base section on which also sometimes extended into the concrete..

Then after that it's away... Depending on state regulations, they put up about 12 to 14 sections, then the rest of the crane.....

Then it depends from there if they self climb, like the outer one's at BofAmerica, or internal climb, usually through a lift shaft... those they just keep jacking up on a pecial internal frame.

Anyway this link from Australia should help a bit more.

http://www.lcrgroup.com.au/zone_files/Media/climbtowercrane.swf

Mmmm Talb and his ever "if it will get built" sweet-talk. Gotta love it. Dude it's getting built. The twins aint. Yer gonna have to come to grips with it my friend.

Once they start building it how long do you think it will take to be complete?

Once it fully reaches above grade in Q1 2008, most likely earlier, it will be speeding to the skies. They want it to open in Q1 2011. It will take a little longer to build than other buildings because of its high quality and design; it will withstand anything and everything. I'm sure the FT will have competition with other very tall buildings in her own city. I just realized that her roof stucture (without the spire) reaches over 1,400 feet (427m+) above grade, which is taller than the Twin Towers. I hope they consider putting an observation up there if it is possible and I hope the 102nd floor observation deck is at least 1,300' above grade.

http://freenet-homepage.de/tobyas333/Unbenannt3.png

Tower crane :banana: :banana: :banana:

Can someone answer my question?

Will the tower crane be up by the end of the week? And will it be visible in the skyline?

No.

Finally Tower 5! :) I wonder what it will look like, I hope it has a facade like that of 7WTC. :)

oho things move slower in..Big Apple ..slowly but shurely....
me too i hope the cladding will be nice...because it's very important for us all :cheers:

Any real construction updates (if any)?

From SSP:

APRIL 8, 2007

A view from a distance...

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/76895677/large.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/76895680/large.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/76895687/large.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/76895689/large.jpg

Update of the Webcam:

http://freenet-homepage.de/tobyas333/Unbenannt2.png

You can clearly see the tower crane, but without the top-section of it ;)

Any real construction updates (if any)?

not really good pics, but yesterday i've found a pic which show's the site's of WCT2,3 and 4. nothing is really going on at WCT2 but on the other two ( especially 3) it looks like they're not only preparing the site. i can see steel on it!

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/3514/fttowercranenj6.jpg

The first of four tower cranes on this skyscraper is clearly going up today. :)
Look at all of the progres on the GS Tower in the background; that thing is rising faster than light.

I thought thinks happend fast in NYC ? ? ? ?

not always ^^

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/3514/fttowercranenj6.jpg

The first of four tower cranes on this skyscraper is clearly going up today. :)
Look at all of the progres on the GS Tower in the background; that thing is rising faster than light.

Cool! Finally some progress...but what is GS tower??

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=452972

Wow thanks New york is going to look really cool around 2012 when all these buildings are done i should reserve a ticket :p

Its so great to see things finally happening down there.:banana:

Does anyone know if the tower crane will be visible in the skyline, once its fully erected?

Its so great to see things finally happening down there.:banana:

Does anyone know if the tower crane will be visible in the skyline, once its fully erected?

No. It will be visible form the street.

Ok thanks. Im so happy for NYC, you guys really deserve this:)


So once they fully erect this crane, they will move on to the other 3 cranes without stopping? Or will they just use the 2 cranes for a few months?

Once this buiding gets started, we will see the concrete core rising. correct? Or will it be steel like the GS?

Finally there is some progress it has take to much time

Ok fill me in, maybe I missed the boat or something. The construction isn't starting already because the guys havent received all the money or what other reason?

Ok fill me in, maybe I missed the boat or something. The construction isn't starting already because the guys havent received all the money or what other reason?


Uh no dude.....That was sooooooooo 2004-March 2006 era!

The building officially started construction on April 27, 2006. The foundation has just been taking an enormous amount of time to complete. As of today, they have began to erect the first of four tower cranes that will build the 1776' Freedom Tower. From about the end of April when they have all of the 4 cranes erected on out. We will see the buildings massive core gradually rising toward street level. Then early 2008, when it reaches street level, the building will rise at enormous speed, topping out in 2010, and ready for occupancy in 2011:banana: :banana: :banana: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Well, lets see it get done, the more buildings the better :-D So is it still the model thats on the main page or is it getting changed yet again?

The model on the main page is what we will be looking at in 2011.


By the way, does anyone know how long it will take for them to fully erect the tower crane?

Will they be done by Friday?

Most likely.

Mmmm Talb and his ever "if it will get built" sweet-talk. Gotta love it. Dude it's getting built. The twins aint. Yer gonna have to come to grips with it my friend.
Here is the link (http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2007/01/the_freedom_tower_exists_for_a.html) for anybody who hasn't read it already or doesn't believe me, and cut it with the personal attacks, nygirl, b/c your not funny. :hahano:

or tal, u can get used to being told your wrong, grow a pair and move on with life.

wow things sure are moving along fast, seems only yesterday the whole thing gotten destroyed...anyway I'll take a swing through NY some time to see...

Update of the Webcam:

http://freenet-homepage.de/tobyas333/Unbenannt2.png

You can clearly see the tower crane, but without the top-section of it ;)

im glad to see that they put the web cam again

that was another cam

Here is the link (http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2007/01/the_freedom_tower_exists_for_a.html) for anybody who hasn't read it already or doesn't believe me, and cut it with the personal attacks, nygirl, b/c your not funny. :hahano:
What are you trying to proove with the link? You have been historically against the new wtc specifically because you want the old ones built and are actively trying to see to it that this happens so when I see anything you type believe me I take it with a grain of salt. You thrive on the little tid bits of stalled construction and financial problems. You really should move on like metro said. The twins aint getting built ever. These will one day. The twins are not getting built ever again. Someday this design will pierce the sky. The twins are the past. They are not getting erected on that site. The twin towers are not getting rebuilt. What I said to you wasn't a personal attack. It's truth. Go through this or any other wtc redevelopment thread and you've littered it with your own hopes that what we see won't get built. I think I am funny by the way but I really wasn't trying to be with you.

^Both of you knock it off right now, else you will both be suspended.



back to the topic please...

what site did you guys find that webcam?

Can someone post new pictures from today? looking at the PR webcam, the crane has grown.

The model on the main page is what we will be looking at in 2011.


By the way, does anyone know how long it will take for them to fully erect the tower crane?

Will they be done by Friday?

I thought they still are going to redo the spire. Is that not the case?

Anyone have any pictures from today?

Once they start building it how long do you think it will take to be complete?

I'm going to guess 2 1/2 years till top out of the core.

I'm going to guess 2 1/2 years till top out of the core.

No thats not true......the core will rise above street level early next year.

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/6284/diagridce8.jpg

I was looking at older stuff, and if it were up to me, I would have used a diagrid system in the new FT. The old FT had it right, but its floors didn't go high enough. I'm still happy with the FT because it's extremely massive and its roof structure is higher than the Twin Towers. The other buildings are masive too and have world-class designs that will stun people. I hope that Tower 5 will use a sexy diagrid system. WTC Tower 5 may have have cantilevered floors, according to the latest info, and 123 Washington behind Tower 5 will end off the spiral nicely.

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/6284/diagridce8.jpg

I was looking at older stuff, and if it were up to me, I would have used a diagrid system in the new FT. The old FT had it right, but its floors didn't go high enough. I'm still happy with the FT because it's extremely massive and its roof structure is higher than the Twin Towers. The other buildings are masive too and have world-class designs that will stun people. I hope that Tower 5 will use a sexy diagrid system. WTC Tower 5 may have have cantilevered floors, according to the latest info, and 123 Washington behind Tower 5 will end off the spiral nicely.


I agree.

Will the tower crane be fully erected by friday? And how much longer until the foundation is complete?

I already said that it is very likely that the first tower crane will be up by Friday and all I know that is all of the foundation beams will be up after spring; the whole entire foundation and sublevels won't be done for six or seven more months, but after that, it will go very fast. They are going to have to connect the building to the WFC and PATH hub, if I recall correctly.

I already said that it is very likely that the first tower crane will be up by Friday and all I know that is all of the foundation beams will be up after spring; the whole entire foundation and sublevels won't be done for six or seven more months, but after that, it will go very fast. They are going to have to connect the building to the WFC and PATH hub, if I recall correctly.

Thanks.....We all keep saying that this tower is taking so long, but Im just putting into perspective. This tower will be equivelant in wideness, and in height of the old WTC. Never saw it in person, but looking at the pictures, I can see that it was massive.

My oh my, cant wait to see this building rise:banana:

If you count the massive ring on top as part of the roof, at 1,400', it is around 50 feet taller than the Twin Towers (without counting the spire). Because of this tower's design, I bet it will look much taller than the Twins ever did. All of the new towers in the area will make one hell of a skyline, bigger and more impressive than before.

http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/4776/841wtc20silversteinhd5.jpg

123 Washington and Tower 5 seem to be missing from that model. Because towers 2, 3, and 4 are blocking each other, it looks like there are only two massive towers in there. I would like to see a render from the Brooklyn Bridge and Staten Island Ferry.

The number of floors in the title should be changed to 102.

Any updates?

I haven't posted pics on SSC for a while. How you guys doing?

So what we have here, Im near positive is the beginnings of the central core. thats right. whoop and holla.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c81/Scruffy88/DSC03910.jpg

Plus some more. Forgive the quality, some are taken through a protective netting.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c81/Scruffy88/DSC03908.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c81/Scruffy88/DSC03907.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c81/Scruffy88/DSC03906.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c81/Scruffy88/DSC03901.jpg

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04102007/postopinion/opedcolumnists/a_leak_to_china_opedcolumnists_steve_cuozzo.htm
A LEAK TO CHINA

FOREIGN FIRM GOT TIPOFF

April 10, 2007 -- A COMPANY effectively controlled by the government of China got a heads-up on major Ground Zero news in February, according to my sources.

The American press and public were kept in the dark - but Beijing Vantone, the Chinese real-estate-development company, got word of Gov. Spitzer's surprise decision to green-light the Freedom Tower.

Public officials categorically denied tipping off Vantone or even knowing of Spitzer's decision before he announced it on Feb. 20. Vantone's New York-based representative also denies the account. But my sources say Vantone was told by someone that Spitzer would back the Freedom Tower - which he once called a "white elephant" and was expected to further delay or cancel.

The sources say the tipoff was the real reason Vantone shocked the real-estate world by pulling out of a signed lease at 195 Broadway, one block east of Ground Zero.

Vantone has long wanted to set up a "China Center" at the top of the Freedom Tower, but had given up on the idea when the project seemed destined to spin its wheels indefinitely.

It first sought an alternative home at Larry Silverstein's new 7 World Trade Center, but that deal fell apart last summer. It then began negotiations for 195 Broadway, and signed the lease with the building owners in early February.

Several days later, however, Vantone said it couldn't get the necessary letter of credit. That killed the deal - one week before Spitzer publicly endorsed the Freedom Tower.

That left the owners of 195 Broadway, a city landmark with an illustrious history, still seeking a user for the building's top floors. It also cost Downtown the move-in of a prestigious company. Even if Vantone takes space in the Freedom Tower, it'll be years down the road.

The primary fault lies with Vantone for breaking a signed lease, no matter what its reasons - a lesson the Port Authority should keep in mind as it talks to the company about a possible Freedom Tower lease.

But that doesn't excuse the big mouth that leaked the news.

My sources' account is highly credible, for several reasons. First, the timing of Vantone's retreat from 195 Broadway is otherwise inexplicable. Second, it's not a single account: Several well-informed executives say flatly, but not for attribution, that that was what happened.

Meanwhile, Vantone's account is highly dubious. It simply blamed the deal-breaking failure to produce the letter of credit on its bank in China - which is another government-controlled business. (That failing was perhaps the only way Vantone could get out of its lease without being sued for breach of contract.)

The pullout from 195 Broadway embarrassed two prominent New Yorkers in Vantone's camp - Kathryn Wylde, the president of the Partnership for New York City, who has counseled Vantone on launching China Center here, as well as its real-estate broker, Peter Riguardi, the regional president of Jones Lang LaSalle.

Few involved will speak for the record. The Port Authority acknowledges meeting with Vantone officials "several times" to discuss Vantone's interest in 400,000 square feet in the Freedom Tower before Spitzer publicly endorsed the project. But the PA denies knowing at those times that the governor would bless the tower, much less telling Vantone that he would.

A source close to the Empire State Development Corp./Downstate similarly denies any such heads-up was given to Vantone at a Feb. 7 meeting that included ESDC Chairman Patrick J. Foye.

But Vantone could've also gotten word from any of several prominent individuals active in Downtown rebuilding and planning - people who don't work for the state or the PA, but who said they knew in advance of Spitzer's change of heart.

The Post first reported Vantone's lease-breaking at 195 Broadway on Feb. 20, the same day Spitzer declared he'd go ahead with the Freedom Tower. But Vantone actually scuttled the deal a week earlier, when it told the building's shocked owners that it couldn't produce the credit letter despite promises from its chairman, Fen Lung.

Despite Vantone's unreliable track record, the PA would love to land it as a Freedom Tower tenant. Vantone's stated purpose - to be "the unequivocal center of Chinese corporate and cultural life in New York City" - justifies the name "World Trade Center" in way that the tower's only current prospective tenants - U.S. and state government bureaucracies - simply don't.

A Vantone move into the top 10 floors, which the company wants, would also take care of the tower's priciest, hardest-to-rent portion, and might help allay other companies' fears of another terrorist attack.

With so much at stake for the Freedom Tower, the bellwether of Ground Zero commercial renewal, it seems almost reasonable to spot Vantone every benefit of the doubt. But it shouldn't mean giving them an unfair advantage at the rest of Downtown's expense.

scuozzo@nypost.com

i just want to say that this tower is absolutely gorgeous...and i cant wait for it to be completed. stunning.

but...what is that disc/UFO thingy on the roof?

and i like how the beam of light is cast outta the spire, and the height is 1776 feet. all good things.

downtown manhattan will look so incredible.
think about it, the 4 new WTC buildings, goldman sachs, and jp morgan all seem to be starting a renaissance or somethin down there. it's like a mini boom.

The crane is rising and it's almost complete :banana: :banana: :banana:

http://freenet-homepage.de/tobyas333/1176461527.jpg

downtown manhattan will look so incredible.
think about it, the 4 new WTC buildings, goldman sachs, and jp morgan all seem to be starting a renaissance or somethin down there. it's like a mini boom.

NY has a boom all the time. think always are over 50 buildings with over 12F UC

LET'S HAVE A PARTY! The HD cam is back and it's LIVE!!!!

http://www.earthcam.net/users2/interface.php?i=0&id=445&projectid=202&clientid=158

Look at all of that progress. ;p (GS Tower too!)

I see the next parts of the tower crane waiting on the ground.




http://www.downtownexpress.com/de_205/wtc.gif

The cantilevered WTC Tower 5!!! I wonder how tall it would be. Ha, I like it, but I doubt it would look like that.

Info:
http://www.downtownexpress.com/de_205/onceafailurenowvital.html

^^That HD cam is amazing!, they should have one on every major development.

Will you be able to see all the towers being constructed in that cam?

Tower 5 is fully cut off, but you can see the memorial, PATH Hub, and large sections of towers 2, 3, and 4, and half of the GS Tower. They need to put up another cam facing the other way to get everything.

LET'S HAVE A PARTY! The HD cam is back and it's LIVE!!!!

http://www.earthcam.net/users2/interface.php?i=0&id=445&projectid=202&clientid=158

Look at all of that progress. ;p (GS Tower too!)

I see the next parts of the tower crane waiting on the ground.




http://www.downtownexpress.com/de_205/wtc.gif

The cantilevered WTC Tower 5!!! I wonder how tall it would be. Ha, I like it, but I doubt it would look like that.

Info:
http://www.downtownexpress.com/de_205/onceafailurenowvital.html

can't belive it :banana:

this seems to be the most visable activity for some time....nice to see a crane going up along with a core somewhat being errected....thanks for the photos...its amazaing the HD CAM is back from the dead...along with the site...:lol:

this seems to be the most visable activity for some time....nice to see a crane going up along with a core somewhat being errected....thanks for the photos...its amazaing the HD CAM is back from the dead...along with the site...:lol:

The site was never dead. Stop being so dense. :bash:

I haven't posted pics on SSC for a while. How you guys doing?

So what we have here, Im near positive is the beginnings of the central core. thats right. whoop and holla.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c81/Scruffy88/DSC03910.jpg

Plus some more. Forgive the quality, some are taken through a protective netting.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c81/Scruffy88/DSC03908.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c81/Scruffy88/DSC03907.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c81/Scruffy88/DSC03906.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c81/Scruffy88/DSC03901.jpg

So what are the little boards that are on the cassions for? Is where the crane is, the place where the building will rise?

Nothing to do with the Freedom, but this puts the icing on the cake you guys for an already delightful day at the WTC site:)





RENTS CRASH THROUGH ROOF

By LOIS WEISS

New York Post Online Edition

The law firm of Cleary Gottlieb Steen & Hamilton is hot on 7 World Trade Center.

The industry is buzzing about a possible deal for around 450,000 feet that would effectively fill up the 52-story, Silverstein Properties-owned tower.

Cleary Gottlieb currently has roughly the same amount of space across from Ground Zero at the 2.1 million-foot One Liberty Plaza, as well as two smaller outposts in Midtown of around 10,000 feet each. The lease at One Liberty Plaza is up in 2010.

Barry Gosin and Moshe Sukenik of Newmark Knight Frank are representing the law firm, while CB Richard Ellis handles the agency for Silverstein Properties.

They all declined comment.

Cleary Gottlieb is said to also be looking at other buildings.

Yesterday, Silverstein announced that Moody's Corp. has agreed to occupy two additional floors at the tower totaling 80,000 feet, making its total commitment 670,000 feet.

Meanwhile, DRW Commodities has signed on for 8,568 feet on the tower's 34th floor.

Copyright 2007 NYP Holdings, Inc. All rights reserved.



Weeping may endure for a night, but joy comes in the morning


By the way, do they work on Saturday's?

It's great to finally see some action on this site. The amount of anticipation must be huge!

Interesting news about the Chinese firm Vantone getting wind of the approval of Freedom Tower before the American public...

Also, those 6 brown beams on the southern face of Freedom Tower, does it span the entire face of he tower, or is it only partial? If these beams do span the entire southern face, FT looks awfully small...

^ It's much larger than those 6 tall beams.


Looks like the first tower crane will be completed today:

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/9417/tower2mb5.jpg

harm that we can't see the other WTC towers on the HD Cam

This has to be the most anticipated tower of our generation.

OMG!!!!!! I just looked at the webcam, and it looks as though they already completed the crane, and added some long yellow crane going horizontal on top of it!!!


You guys,, this building has officially begin to rise!!!

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/5840/85755795il0.jpg

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/5840/85755795il0.jpg

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT A SITE:banana: :banana: :banana:


HOW COME THE CRANE IS DIFFERENT THAN THE ONE THAT IS BUILDING THE GS? ARENT THEY ALL SPOSE TO BE KANGAROO CRANES?

SO THE NEW TOWER IT'S GOING TO BE JUST ABOUT THE SAME AS THE OLD ONE
BUT MORE MODERN LOOK.
I LIKE IT :)

http://img431.imageshack.us/img431/3425/freedomtowerandwtcga6.jpg

I'm pretty sure that two tower cranes were supposed to be erected. From the perspective of the cam, I wonder if the tower crane there now is on the dead center of the core, or if it's on a corner of the central core, which would make much more sense.

here is the completed crane from another angle (bird view):

http://freenet-homepage.de/tobyas333/Unbenannt2.gif

But its really huge in comparison to the site or?

here is the completed crane from another angle (bird view):

http://freenet-homepage.de/tobyas333/Unbenannt2.gif

But its really huge in comparison of the site or?

I know......I have never seen a crane that long before. Maybe the core of the Freedom Tower is larger than we thought:wtf:

^^ I think they wanted bigger cranes just to show off that WTC complex is getting rebuilt whether people likes it or not. However, I'm very happy that new WTC complex is getting built! :banana:

SO THE NEW TOWER IT'S GOING TO BE JUST ABOUT THE SAME AS THE OLD ONE
BUT MORE MODERN LOOK.
I LIKE IT :)

http://img431.imageshack.us/img431/3425/freedomtowerandwtcga6.jpg

how did you get that image from skyscraperpage?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but will be the core of the Freedom Tower so?:
http://freenet-homepage.de/tobyas333/Unbenannt3.gif

^^ I think they wanted bigger cranes just to show off that WTC complex is getting rebuilt whether people likes it or not. However, I'm very happy that new WTC complex is getting built! :banana:

I dont know, but I guess the people down their know what they are doing. Now Im just ready to see this building rise:banana:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but will the core of the Freedom Tower so?:
http://freenet-homepage.de/tobyas333/Unbenannt3.gif

Close. The outline of the building extends further south t othat brown beam next to the grey building. the core is also slightly bigger as the building extends further to the right in the picture. But more or less its correct.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but will the core of the Freedom Tower so?:
http://freenet-homepage.de/tobyas333/Unbenannt3.gif


That may be right, but I'm not sure. I, too, would like to know exactly where this crane is positioned on the core and the size of the core.

That may be right, but I'm not sure. I, too, would like to know exactly where this crane is positioned on the core and the size of the core.

Man, so the Ft is as big as the original:)

how did you get that image from skyscraperpage?

i think he took a print screen then he paste it to PAINT..

So how long until the core begins to rise?

the core is going to be bigger than the whats been started, im sure. but that is the beginning of the core. In the old WTC, the core (steel core) was so massive that it had 4 kangaroo cranes on each corner./ pics of those in the ssp thread on this tower. This might be built in the same way. if so, then this would be 1/4 of the core with its own crane

That's what I'm thinking.

the core is going to be bigger than the whats been started, im sure. but that is the beginning of the core. In the old WTC, the core (steel core) was so massive that it had 4 kangaroo cranes on each corner./ pics of those in the ssp thread on this tower. This might be built in the same way. if so, then this would be 1/4 of the core with its own crane

So will this portion start rising by itself, or will it not rise until the remaining core is complete?

I never understood one thing: Are they using the foundations of one of the old WTC buildings or did they build it from scratch?

What kind of foundation does this tower have?

The hole was already there from the old WTC. Portions of the destroyed underground parking area and WTC Building 6 are still standing and I'm sure they will remain standing because they reinforce the slurry wall's structural integrity. I'm not exactly sure what type of foundation this building has, but I know a lot of concrete has already been poured.

^^ So basically they are using the old towers' foundations.

Well, Manhatan stands on bedrock, while I'm used to see completely different foundation-building techniques overhere, due to completely different soil composition.

The hole was already there from the old WTC. Portions of the destroyed underground parking area and WTC Building 6 are still standing and I'm sure they will remain standing because they reinforce the slurry wall's structural integrity. I'm not exactly sure what type of foundation this building has, but I know a lot of concrete has already been poured.

How long will it be before they put the other 3 tower cranes up?

I have no idea. It's likely that another one could be up soon, but after that it's possible more won't be put up till the tower is above grade. We'll know before it's erected because the base will be visible via the cam.

I have no idea. It's likely that another one could be up soon, but after that it's possible more won't be put up till the tower is above grade. We'll know before it's erected because the base will be visible via the cam.

oh ok. So will this portion of the core begin to rise now, or will it wait until the other portions are ready

I don't know. The tower crane is finally fully detached from the smaller crane.

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/9238/hi4ni5.jpg

I noticed that there is new skyscraper construction next to World Financial Center... What is this project? Can anyone please give me the link of this project thread? Thanks! :)

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=75585
Really nice tower.

^^ Thanks! You're right that is really nice tower! :)

^^ The tower under construction there will be the new headquarter of Goldman Sachs. My friend is interning at that company this summer ^_^

^^ Sweet! :) I never heard of this company before... What does this company do?

Sorry guys, let's get back to the point.

^^ Sweet! :) I never heard of this company before... What does this company do?

Sorry guys, let's get back to the point.

Google it. Btw theres a thread in the high rise section of this website.

Tower crane is now completed as i can see on the cam.

That is one massive spire. I would like to see what they make it out of.

Its great to finally see a crane down there. What is the U-shaped structure that surrounds the crane and 1wtc? Its about 1 story high in the pit, starting NW of the crane and running to the NE of the crane. Is that from the original WTC and being saved, or is new construction. It seems like it has been there since the pit was cleaned out.

When does construction on the 200 Greenwich St., 175 Greenwich St., and 150 Greenwich St. buildings begin?

I like it. If you look at it closely, it looks sorta like both the towers smashed together into one.

Its great to finally see a crane down there. What is the U-shaped structure that surrounds the crane and 1wtc? Its about 1 story high in the pit, starting NW of the crane and running to the NE of the crane. Is that from the original WTC and being saved, or is new construction. It seems like it has been there since the pit was cleaned out.

Thats the old parking structure from the old wtc. It will eventually come down for the new construction, they are just worried about the integrity of the slurry wall.

I though someone said they are building over it. Anyway, I'm very excited. This is the world's tallest office building. All of the towers will look much better and sleeker than the Twins. I want to be the first person up on floor 102. I wonder if they'll charge a lot.


Something I just found:

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/8462/image22tg5.jpg

I though someone said they are building over it. Anyway, I'm very excited. This is the world's tallest office building. All of the towers will look much better and sleeker than the Twins. I want to be the first person up on floor 102. I wonder if they'll charge a lot.


Something I just found:

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/8462/image22tg5.jpg


When are they gonna put the crane into function, and what are they using it for?

You ask too many questions. I think they will be using the crane asap, but I'm not sure for what. More beams do have to be erected. I hope another tower crane goes up soon.

http://archrecord.construction.com/news/daily/archives/070410freedom.asp
Freedom Tower Questioned Amid Rising Costs

April 10, 2007

As work on the Freedom Tower’s foundations progresses, with an eye to vertical construction beginning next year, observers are expressing doubts over the project’s total price tag, which seems poised to rise at a faster rate than the building itself.

Earlier this year, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey officially authorized construction of the Skidmore Owings & Merrill-designed building, which forms the symbolic cornerstone of the rebuilt World Trade Center complex. The agency also approved the awarding of contracts worth nearly $500 million for continuing construction on the Freedom Tower’s foundations, which began last spring.

A press release stated that the contract amounts fall “within planned-for contingencies common to projects of this scale,” a roughly 4 percent margin. The building’s total price tag is currently set at $2.88 billion. But many observers believe that the final number will rise far higher.

Barry LePatner, Hon. AIA, a real estate attorney and construction cost expert, contends that the Freedom Tower’s initial bid numbers were virtually meaningless—unless construction companies agree to sign fixed-cost contracts, which seems unlikely. The problem, he explains, is that contractors often lowball their estimates to win projects and then file change orders and add other fees to make up the difference later.

Prominent real estate developers including Douglas Durst and Anthony Malkin have also criticized the project’s finances. Lower Manhattan has an oversupply of office space, they told The New York Times in February, and the Freedom Tower is struggling to attract commercial tenants aside from government agencies.

New York’s new governor, Eliot Spitzer, pledged his support to the Freedom Tower’s construction after taking office this winter—a symbolic but critical step. Even so, Spitzer as well as New Jersey governor Jon Corzine and New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg have said that they are open to selling it to a private developer, which could presumably redesign it. The foundations under construction now, they note, can be used for buildings other than the Freedom Tower.

Other projects at the World Trade Center site face a similarly uncertain fate. The Port Authority admitted this winter that rising labor and materials costs have caused the PATH station, designed by Santiago Calatrava, to exceed its $2.2 billion budget by as much as $1.2 billion. The architect and agency are looking for ways to trim costs. These could include a redesign, although Calatrava has said he is committed to preserving his design’s signature elements.

In other World Trade Center news, the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation (LMDC) has released a revised General Project Plan for construction projects at the World Trade Center site, spelling out the responsibilities of various stakeholders. New York City and New York State jointly created this agency in 2001 to oversee rebuilding at Ground Zero.

The LMDC, in cooperation with the World Trade Center Memorial Foundation, will build the 9/11 memorial and memorial museum. Another key player, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, will build the Freedom Tower, designed by Skidmore Owings & Merrill, the PATH transit terminal designed by Santiago Calatrava, and sub-surface infrastructure for the whole site.

This revised plan was included in the LMDC’s “Final Report,” outlining its activity since 2001. Although the agency has largely closed its operations, allocating many of its duties to other agencies and private corporations, it continues to administer grants and supervise several downtown projects.

Kevin Lerner

You ask too many questions. I think they will be using the crane asap, but I'm not sure for what. More beams do have to be erected. I hope another tower crane goes up soon.

Sorry, Im just trying to get a better understanding on the process of them building this skyscraper.

Don't be sorry. Can it, TalB, nothing's going to stop FT construction. I do hope some of those new supertalls in Midtown will be twin towers. New York really needs some mega twins (besides the TW Twins) and a twisting tower too.

Will they work tommorow since the weather is bad?

That may be right, but I'm not sure. I, too, would like to know exactly where this crane is positioned on the core and the size of the core.


i think the green aria are to small

Originally Posted by Ebola
That may be right, but I'm not sure. I, too, would like to know exactly where this crane is positioned on the core and the size of the core.

http://freenet-homepage.de/tobyas333/Unbenannt3.gif

i think the green aria are to small

Didnt realize this tower would be so massive.

Something I just found:

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/8462/image22tg5.jpg


I still think the spire looks awful, being that tall. They wanted it to reach a symbolic height of 1776, without caring about how crappy it will look. The tower should've been 50 meters higher, with no spire at all. THEN it would've been beautiful.

Quit moaning. I guarantee you that the spire will be different in life. It's going to be lit up very well and will be able to change colors.

Originally Posted by Ebola
That may be right, but I'm not sure. I, too, would like to know exactly where this crane is positioned on the core and the size of the core.

http://freenet-homepage.de/tobyas333/Unbenannt3.gif

i think the green aria are to small

that can't be the hole thing, it's to small

that can't be the hole thing, it's to small

I agree 100%...compare the layout to the Construction trailer to the left. The Trailer should be 40-50 feet long. That would make the "green" section about 60-80 feet. I believe the green section is the Core.Please keep in mind that each of the original twins were 200' x 200'.:cheers:

Quit moaning. I guarantee you that the spire will be different in life. It's going to be lit up very well and will be able to change colors.

Moaning? I'm allowed to express my opinion just like you. I happen to think that they're taking this sentimental crap too far (roof height exactly the same height as the old WTC, spire that reaches 1776, etc) and it's hurting the design. If you don't agree with me - fine. But don't tell me to "quit moaning".

And the life ring looking thing at the base of the spire is ugly too.

wow, finally a crane. the green area does look too small for the footprint itself. it could just be the core.

the idea from up there seems to be too small...
I think the big beams still are part of the core and will be its border to the rest of the office-space.
the smaller beam down at the bottomn could be part of the outside-walls!
-in my imagination it could look like this:


http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/5438/49471054ko7.jpg

http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/3276/66152184tb2.jpg

I though someone said they are building over it. Anyway, I'm very excited. This is the world's tallest office building.

What the hell are you smoking because you might want to let the authorities know there's a new drug in town!:lol: WTC1 won't be the tallest office building in the world. Anyway, it's good to see that things are finally looking good and moving in the right direction for the WTC site.

I still think the spire looks awful, being that tall. They wanted it to reach a symbolic height of 1776, without caring about how crappy it will look. The tower should've been 50 meters higher, with no spire at all. THEN it would've been beautiful.

Why are you complaining. The heigh of the spire is preety much the same as the antenna on the original 1WTC.:bash: And a spire is a hell of alot better than an antenna.

By the way, looking at the webcam, the NW part of the core seems to be taking shape, which means that they may be erected a 2nd tower crane in a couple of weeks.

I took this from www.renewnyc.com (http://www.renewnyc.com/images_WMS/freedom_tower/GroundFloorPlan_06-27-06.jpg):

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/220/462092653_60d865ca4e_b.jpg

What the hell are you smoking because you might want to let the authorities know there's a new drug in town!:lol: WTC1 won't be the tallest office building in the world. Anyway, it's good to see that things are finally looking good and moving in the right direction for the WTC site.

What the hell are you smoking? There's no other office building u/c that's taller. When topped in 2010, it will be the world's tallest office building. Yes, other office buildings may have higher floors, but that's why spires rock, and, to add, I'm certain that some of those taller office buildings will be in NY.

I don't get it. What's gonna happen with the place where the second tower was? Is it ging to remain empty?

the idea from up there seems to be too small...
I think the big beams still are part of the core and will be its border to the rest of the office-space.
the smaller beam down at the bottomn could be part of the outside-walls!
-in my imagination it could look like this:


http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/5438/49471054ko7.jpg

http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/3276/66152184tb2.jpg

Those steel beams are the southern face of the tower. Its not the core.

I don't get it. What's gonna happen with the place where the second tower was? Is it ging to remain empty?

The location where both towers were is not being built on. That's where the memorial is to be built. Freedom Tower is being built next to the footprint of tower 1.

I am not sure if anyone here already discussed that before... I have not hear anything about any tenant that might be interested to move in this Freedom Tower and another WTC buildings yet... Anyone knows about this?

What the hell are you smoking? There's no other office building u/c that's taller. When topped in 2010, it will be the world's tallest office building. Yes, other office buildings may have higher floors, but that's why spires rock, and, to add, I'm certain that some of those taller office buildings will be in NY.

I guess you got me there, cause I don't count the spire, I guess that makes me a little :nuts: . I don't see why there are a bunch of people that don't like this building. I think it's very elegant and classy. I can't wait for everything to finish, so I can make my way up to NYC to see these beauties!:banana:

Okay I think I got this right now: there will only be 2 tower cranes in the core, the southern core crane is what we see now. The northern crane will be erected soon. The other tower cranes won't be in the core.

What the hell are you smoking? There's no other office building u/c that's taller. When topped in 2010, it will be the world's tallest office building. Yes, other office buildings may have higher floors, but that's why spires rock, and, to add, I'm certain that some of those taller office buildings will be in NY.

Are you saying purely office buildings?

I am not getting that statement either especially when the Shanghai WFC, which has more floors than the FT is already topped out.

What is your point? The SWFC has a freaking hotel in it and officially the FT has 1 more floor. In fact, the number of floors doesn't matter since the massing ends up at 1400' and the official height is still 1776'. Why you would even mention that building is beyond me.

First time visitor to this thread. I didn't realise that 1WTC was under construction. My wife and I will be making our first trip ever to NY in 18 months time. She knows I'm a skyscraper nut, and I can't wait to check out all the NY icons. I've always dreamt of walking around the canyon streets of NY.

I've always dreamt of walking around the canyon streets of NY.

I'll be honest with you... it's not that great. NYC is much nicer from above than at ground level.

I'll be honest with you... it's not that great. NYC is much nicer from above than at ground level.

you must have had your eyes closed. I guess you're being 'honest', but you're in the smallest minority Ive ever seen when you say that.

I think the crane is placed in this part of the FT:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/180/462909831_f742ec57e8_o.jpg

Correct me if I am wrong ;)

Wow amazing floorplan, where did you found it?
And: Cant they place 1 crane above the red x?

^^
I think I am wrong with the previous picture :doh:

It looks like there was going to be four cranes like that, all of them in the core of the building:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/239/462976217_52f44ac553.jpg http://farm1.static.flickr.com/243/462976223_5365db9769.jpg

So, this would be the first crane at FT and would be located here, in the southwestern corner of the core:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/195/462992816_c036d5aac0_o.jpg

What do you think?

agree with you, probably we'll see 4 cranes.

btw...does anyone know ho wide the building will be?

^Same as the Twin Towers, over 200 feet wide.

wow, that thing will be gigantic big. i always loved the gigantic dimensions of the twins

I think the crane is placed in this part of the FT:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/180/462909831_f742ec57e8_o.jpg

Correct me if I am wrong ;)


You're right. There will be two tower cranes in the core, and you got the first one positioned correctly. All of the other tower cranes will rise outside of the core.

So, this might well be wrong:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/243/462976223_5365db9769.jpg http://farm1.static.flickr.com/195/462992816_5d1c6e8bbd.jpg

I thought there would have installed up to four cranes in the core of the building, like the Kangaroo Cranes of the old Twins. Btw, this first crane raised at FT seems to be bigger than the Kangaroos.

Kangaroo Cranes at Twins:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/204/463291355_90774b2412_o.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/183/463291357_a64b7ebcf1_o.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/217/463291345_cb77ae715b_o.jpg http://farm1.static.flickr.com/231/463291349_4565a652df_o.jpg

Someone at WNY posted a construction diagram that showed there would only be 2 cranes in the core. I doubt they have it wrong. Don't worry, this building will still be using at least 4 tower cranes like the one erected.

agree with you, probably we'll see 4 cranes.

btw...does anyone know ho wide the building will be?

^Same as the Twin Towers, over 200 feet wide.

wow, that thing will be gigantic big. i always loved the gigantic dimensions of the twins


Exactly 208 feet wide ;)

damn i know they will be the same size but the construction of the WTC looks bigger like the core and the outer area but i already know all of you are going to say they are the same size but look at were the FT is being built and look and the orginal WTC

What is your point? The SWFC has a freaking hotel in it and officially the FT has 1 more floor. In fact, the number of floors doesn't matter since the massing ends up at 1400' and the official height is still 1776'. Why you would even mention that building is beyond me.
First off, you need to chill. The SWFC does have more floors hence it will have a bigger height than the FT regaurdless of what's inside of it. I do not count sturctual height such as spires, antennae, lattice work, and crowns as height. For me, it is the either the roof or the heighest occupied floor in being the official height. Also, I always found it weird that it would be said to be 1776 ft with the spire, but w/o it looses about 300 ft, which is cheating IMO. The same thing that the CTBUH states is what got the Petronas Towers to be taller than the Sears Tower when built when it only surpassed it by its spires and neither roof was bigger.

Barclay-Vesey Building (1926) will be completely hidden between 7WTC and FT. Even more than it was with the previous WTC, because the new 7WTC is taller than the older one and FT is only Vesey´s width far from it.
It´s a shame, because Barclay-Vesey Building, the first Art Decó high-rise in History, is an amazing building.
Btw, the new WTC project looks really nice.

Barclay-Vesey Building (1926) will be completely hidden between 7WTC and FT. Even more than it was with the previous WTC, because the new 7WTC is taller than the older one and FT is only Vesey´s width far from it.
It´s a shame, because Barclay-Vesey Building, the first Art Decó high-rise in History, is an amazing building.
Btw, the new WTC project looks really nice.

at least its not being torn down to build another big steel monstrocity.

The first cranes at WTC were made in Australia by FAVCO... almost a prototype....

The one up now is the same as the one at Goldman Sachs... It could have been the one that went up at the Times HQ...

It looks like a 440D, but I could be wrong... but if anyone goes down there, It should have it painted near the operators cab, or the slew ring.. thats the bit that turns... It'll also have lift weight, and a serial number... the newset cranes in OZ are numbered around the 1300 mark.

It would either have been made in Harlingtoin Texas, Or Malaysia, or even Sydney..

But it's winch time to the top will be about 2, 2 and a half minutes when the tower tops out... with the size of the boom, it would a pretty tight fit getting four cranes all together like WTC.... but they have succeeded with that on the Burj, although I'd say one of those will be going soon.

FAVCO was bought out by some Malaysians.. It's now FAVCO-FAVELLE..

It's a great Aussie invention, but the aspect of the self climbing outside a tower is rare these days, apart from Comcast, BofA and a couple of jobs in OZ.

It's easier to hoist up through a tower these days, and saves on lots of costly Tower sections.

But there climbing all the big ones.... BURJ, Shanghai, and Hong Kong..

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/251/462453912_d0f0ea2104_b.jpg

Lots of activity!

^^ WOW! I'm excited already! Can't wait to see beautiful skyscrapers to go up one day! :banana:

impressive pics, can't wait to see our baby's rise :)

What exactly is it doing? Is it building the portion of its core, getting the other portion ready or what?

I find it rather awkward that they are only errecting a kangaroo crane now when the core has yet to even reach ground level yet alone be started.

If you look closely under the crane, it looks as though concrete is slowly rising underneath it. I hope it just not my imagination

abc, that's the best explanation of cranes I've seen. Thank you for educating the rest of us.

So exactly how much longer will it be till the concrete core starts to rise?

From SSP:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/191/464347837_35ec502318_b.jpg

You can clearly see that work is ongoing for the PATH terminal, as well as work being done to strengthen the slurry wall that'll protect Towers 3 and 4 (bottom of photo).

So exactly how much longer will it be till the concrete core starts to rise?

I have been looking at that picture above me and I am not sure where the orginal twin towers were once located at since it is seen like subway lines are taking almost most of space of Ground Zero. Can anyone please draw the orginal twin towers on that picture just clear it up? Thanks! :)

I have been looking at that picture above me and I am not sure where the orginal twin towers were once located at since it is seen like subway lines are taking almost most of space of Ground Zero. Can anyone please draw the orginal twin towers on that picture just clear it up? Thanks! :)

See that ramp that comes down from the left of the picture. Right infront of it and on it was the north tower. The outline is the off white woodwork there. To the left and towards the bottom of the picture is the second box or where the south tower was. All you see is one side of the plank which is parallel to the ramp going into the pit that I mentioned before.

hehe i have no idea but where exactly the twin tower were located?
http://img465.imageshack.us/img465/4613/wtcfg8.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b374/skippydude/twinfootprints2.jpg

*hopes image worked*

I think thats it, but feel free to berate and flame me for being a total moron if i got it wrong

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b374/skippydude/twinfootprints2.jpg

*hopes image worked*

I think thats it, but feel free to berate and flame me for being a total moron if i got it wrong

Thats correct. To the poster before, i talked about a ramp, and that is to the north of where you pointed out.

When are they gonna put the crane into function, and what are they using it for?

How come all these new 6 buildings will fit the space of 2 old towers? Are new buildings significantly slimmer?

^^that's because if you look at the old WTC, most of it consisted of lowrises surrounding the plaza with the fountain.
So there's enough space for new towers in there

How come all these new 6 buildings will fit the space of 2 old towers? Are new buildings significantly slimmer?

That webcam also cuts of a large portion of Ground Zero. So you get that impression that they are all gonna be there.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b374/skippydude/twinfootprints2.jpg

*hopes image worked*

I think thats it, but feel free to berate and flame me for being a total moron if i got it wrong

I got it! Thanks guys! :) My last question for orginal WTC twins... Blue line... It is look like it will be little complicated to construct fountain than compared to red line one... How deep will both fountains will be?

they aint exact, not by a long shot

i saw that the number of floor..differs from one render to the other...what should i understand from these....?? How many floors will it have..??? or they might change they mind and put an extra 10 + floors..??

last number i heard was 102 but don't know if it is right

i saw that the number of floor..differs from one render to the other...what should i understand from these....?? How many floors will it have..??? or they might change they mind and put an extra 10 + floors..??



Physically, the FT has around 90 floors. Unofficially, the building has 108 floors, and offically, the Freedom Tower has 102 floors.

The "82" in the title of this thread needs to be changed to "102!"

The 102nd floor is the observation deck. There are floors on top of the observation deck for broadcasting.

Why did they take the red crane down?


By the way, will the other towers have a concrete core as well?

Why did they take the red crane down?


By the way, will the other towers have a concrete core as well?

The red crane was most likely taken down because it's done it's job, and that was to erect the tower crane...

The red area under the tower sections of the crane is part of the lifting mechanism for the crane.... there'll be another bit similar that will sit around the tower about half way up that will also assist in lifting the crane through the building.

It'll be lifting on steel...... the steel of the building itself... just like the two at the TIMES HQ.

The last crane to go at the BofA building will most likely be the big one on the twower sections... It'll lift the one down on the roof.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/18/nyregion/18mbrfs-resign.html
Manhattan: Ground Zero Project Chief Resigns

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: April 18, 2007

The head of the agency coordinating more than 60 construction projects around the World Trade Center site resigned yesterday after two years in office. The chief, Charles J. Maikish, executive director of the Lower Manhattan Construction Command Center, said he had agreed to stay for two years, and wanted to return to the private sector. Mr. Maikish, previously with JPMorgan Chase and Columbia University, said he would stay until July. Daniel L. Doctoroff, the deputy mayor for economic development and rebuilding, praised Mr. Maikish’s hard work and dedication.

God, the construction is going sooo slow... I went to NY last november and I see few difference in ground zero

^ Foundation work for supertall buildings take between 6 months to a year. 1WTC despite it's delays is right on time.

i've the feeling CS will overtake that tower ^^

God, the construction is going sooo slow... I went to NY last november and I see few difference in ground zero

It is very possible that it would be delayed again if the insurance cases are lost or if more remains are found.

And Bob Saget is funny. Really.

I'm liking it more now than i did, its seems to look different in every render!!

So are the remaining sets of beams that will outline the perimeter of the tower still going to be erected in May as planned?

From SSP:

APRIL 21, 2007

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^ There was a similar silhouette view at the top of 2 WTC...

i see freedom and hope =) the facade of 7WTC looks so beautiful and modern. when will it rise above the street level?

WOW! ONE OF BEST REBUILD WTC PICTURES EVER! :cheers:

How come all these new 6 buildings will fit the space of 2 old towers? Are new buildings significantly slimmer?

No there will only be 4 (four) towers on the site, closer together, with 60,000 to 80,000 ft. floorplates, all will have concrete cores, and the crane on the freedom tower site will be used to build up to ground level. (however, the crane tower section will most likely be attached to a jacking frame, the base you see now will be removed after enough core has risen to accomidate the jacking frame(s) they will add more cranes later

No there will only be 4 (four) towers on the site, closer together, with 60,000 to 80,000 ft. floorplates, all will have concrete cores, and the crane on the freedom tower site will be used to build up to ground level. (however, the crane tower section will most likely be attached to a jacking frame, the base you see now will be removed after enough core has risen to accomidate the jacking frame(s) they will add more cranes later

I think you'll find that the crane there now will go all the way up.. it's already sitting on the base plate of a hoist system for a steel building.