It will be at 100' tall before we know it. It's great to see the start of above grade steel erection, BUT I though they weren't going to start doing this until the end of summer. But hey, not it will be even easier for tourists to see it.

Not exactly steel erection. I believe these frames were added after the original design to give the lower core extra shear strength during an earthquake.

Nice updates btw :) ^^

It looks like they have really doubled their efforts!

Yes they can !!
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/mr-fish/Miscellaneous/Cool.gif

There's MUCH MORE core steel installed now. Check out the cams, guys. Thay may have been working overnight.

Nah... nothing has changed on the south core since Sunday... the steel you see today was all erected on the weekend.

They are, however, adding steel to the frame for the chiller plant in the southwest corner of the western pit.

Not exactly steel erection. I believe these frames were added after the original design to give the lower core extra shear strength during an earthquake.

earthquakes in NYC aren't like MEGA ones, what happens in the Earthquake in New York film is never gonna happen. (obviously)

Never heard of earthquakes in NYC maybe once in awhile but not often. Speaking of earthquakes. Why do scientist stills call them earthquakes, when they happen on other planets. If a tremor happens on mars shouldn't they call it a Marsquake I'm just saying.

earthquakes in NYC aren't like MEGA ones, what happens in the Earthquake in New York film is never gonna happen. (obviously)

Never say never....

From the TLC program:

"Manhattan Island is crisscrossed by earthquake faults, and twice in its history — 1737 and 1884 the nation's biggest city has been jolted by relatively mild quakes in the 5.0 range. Whenever the next one strikes, scientists worry that it could be far bigger. Much of Manhattan sits on a deep layer of soft, post-Ice Age sediment over extremely hard rock, a juxtaposition of geological extremes that bodes ominously. A 6.0 quake could shake the city's buildings with nearly the intensity of the 6.8 quake in Kobe. Inexplicably, the city dragged its feet about adding earthquake-mitigating requirements to its building codes until the mid-1990s. The generally well-designed towers in the Manhattan's skyline most likely would survive a 6.0, but the unreinforced masonry townhouses where most residents live might not fare so well. A 1989 study estimated that a quake would cause more than 130 simultaneous blazes, which could put the fire department under severe strain."

Scary information can be attained here:
http://www.wtop.com/?nid=104&sid=1465166

I'm gonna be in NYC during spring break, is it worth going to see the site, or is it inactive?

I'm gonna be in NYC during spring break, is it worth going to see the site, or is it inactive?

If you're going to be there anyway, I wouldn't miss the chance. It's not going to be a hole forever, a story for the grandkids if nothing else!

Never heard of earthquakes in NYC maybe once in awhile but not often. Speaking of earthquakes. Why do scientist stills call them earthquakes, when they happen on other planets. If a tremor happens on mars shouldn't they call it a Marsquake I'm just saying.

Actually, NYC does have some faults so state of New York too. Some part of New York state had a several earthquakes last few years ago. NYC haven't had an earthquake yet. It always good idea to have earthquake proof buildings though.

NYC isn't LA so earthquakes really aren't a problem. Now Hurricanes on the hand I'd be worried about them if I was building them.

It will be at 100' tall before we know it. It's great to see the start of above grade steel erection, BUT I though they weren't going to start doing this until the end of summer. But hey, not it will be even easier for tourists to see it.
I think this is probably not considered structural steel, since it's going to be embedded in the concrete for the core it's probably considered part of the reinforcing instead of structural. We probably won't see any true structural steel erected until the end of the summer like this schedule showed.

I think this is probably not considered structural steel, since it's going to be embedded in the concrete for the core it's probably considered part of the reinforcing instead of structural. We probably won't see any true structural steel erected until the end of the summer like this schedule showed.

ding ding bingo :)

NYC isn't LA so earthquakes really aren't a problem. Now Hurricanes on the hand I'd be worried about them if I was building them.
Hurricanes in New York? :dunno:

Hurricanes in New York? :dunno:

Yeah there was a few in the 1930's wipeout a whole island thats no longer around. It's normal for us to get a little bit of a tropical storm. And you have to remember NYC is a coastal city. Hurricans can hit like any other city on the coast.

I'm gonna be in NYC during spring break, is it worth going to see the site, or is it inactive?I was in Manhattan yesterday on other business and took the E train down to the WTC stop to walk the perimeter of Ground Zero. While there are only a few places where you can get good views, it's definitely worth it for the feeling of being there. And the site is definitely active; I was there around dinner time and a nearby pizza place was packed with construction workers.

Speaking of, here's the first six photos I took while I was there. I'll post the remaining five later:
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/488/adamalbanywtc2009012001is8.jpg
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/2171/adamalbanywtc2009012006gt4.jpg
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/605/adamalbanywtc2009012002jc1.jpg
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/9458/adamalbanywtc2009012003ox0.jpg
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/6032/adamalbanywtc2009012004ja9.jpg
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/6535/adamalbanywtc2009012005mn9.jpg

nice this is the start of the super tall i cant wait over the year to see this structer rise up from the ground but 1 poblem i have does it have enough fannacis and ensure the construction will carry on not like that mosco one where the company went bust building that giant 600m tall tower

Hurricanes in New York? :dunno:

yeah Citigroup Center was lucky, when it was built it was structurally unsound and would have fallen in 70mph+ winds, work had to be carried out to fix the problem and before the work was completed New York was scheduled for a direct hit from Hurricane Ella with the city on evacuation notice, luckily the hurricane missed new york by a whisker that time

btw there is a fault line running through the middle of manhattan somewhere, i think its in harlem if memory serves me correct

Great shots adam-albany, I really like how ya got #7 in the background on several of them.

OK, just to straighting out a few things, the steel that went up this weekend was always in the plan and is not for earthquake strengthing. It serves 2 purposes, (1) to give the floor beams something to bolt too (2) acts as a header above openings in the core walls. Yes, it well all be encased within the core.
How do I know, I have a full set of drawings for Tower One and the Memorial.

http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3672&highlight=Freedom+Tower&page=370

Feel free to drop by and read my posts.

Great shots adam-albany, I really like how ya got #7 in the background on several of them.Thanks. One thing that struck me about 7WTC is how exactly it looks like the artistic renders in the real world. Usually the stylized lighting of the renders makes buildings look much nicer than the final product in reality. Not so with 7WTC.

Here's the other five photos I promised, which focus on the rest of the site:
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/3760/adamalbanywtc2009012007jq7.jpg
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/2290/adamalbanywtc2009012008ak4.jpg
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/5018/adamalbanywtc2009012009ja9.jpg
http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/9960/adamalbanywtc2009012010nc3.jpg
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/7537/adamalbanywtc2009012011yq6.jpg
I was happy to get a shot of the South Footprint through a hole in the fence on Liberty Street, because you don't see many from that angle. A funny example of human psychology: When I was there, lots of people paused to look as they went by but nobody was taking pictures. I slipped under one of the barrier beams to snap a few quick pictures, and by the time I was done there were like 30 people taking photos too. Courage in numbers.

A tad OT, but the first tower crane at WTC Tower 4 will be installed next month.

thank you for pics adam :)

nice update, adam, the pics are very good :)

Still some way to go.

I like the colourful reflection of the sky in WTC7. :)

^^ wtc7 is stunning, the whole WTC site is turning blue for good.

Looks like the North Eastern corner is ready for the pour...

Very nice updates :) ^^^^
I see a new crane... :)

Yeah there was a few in the 1930's wipeout a whole island thats no longer around. It's normal for us to get a little bit of a tropical storm. And you have to remember NYC is a coastal city. Hurricans can hit like any other city on the coast.
Yeah... but N.Y. is north. It is not tropical like Miami or New Orleans for examble...

Hurricane Hanna hit NYC as a tropical storm and that was september 2008. I remeber some crazy storm hitting the city as a kid. Don't think a hurrican can't hit New York City because it's happed before.

New York City has had some near hits by Hurricanes in the last 108 years.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/HAW2/english/history.shtml#great

1938,1944, 2 in 1954,1960, Agnes in 1972 caused wide spread flooding as did Floyd in 1999.

The links below are earthquake history for New York and New Jersey.

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/states/new_york/history.php

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/states/new_jersey/history.php

Somethinh that i didnt knew or even imagine! Hurricanes in NYC :) incredible!

About the towers (Freedom tower and the other WTC towers) i dont think that those towers will have a problem in a Hurricane category 3 or even 4 (?)

Somethinh that i didnt knew or even imagine! Hurricanes in NYC :) incredible!

About the towers (Freedom tower and the other WTC towers) i dont think that those towers will have a problem in a Hurricane category 3 or even 4 (?)
From several articles that I have seen on the subject, the strongest hurricane that can physically hit the NYC/New England area is in the range of catagory 3. A cat 3 direct hit, with the right-side eyewall passing over Manhattan (and assuming that the storm itself is moving northward at 15-20 km/h), will cause catastrophic damage with the potential for significant loss of life.

Hurricanes are a normal part of life EVERYWHERE on the Gulf of Mexico/Atlantic Ocean coast of North America.

Mike

WoW, this must be the most complicated construction side around the world. And people don't stop to complain how slow everything is going. I think we saw pretty fast progress in 2008.

NYC isn't LA so earthquakes really aren't a problem. Now Hurricanes on the hand I'd be worried about them if I was building them.

Well, you will never know. New York City will have an earthquake someday. Zensteeltdude posted the earthquakes fact in New York.

New York City has had some near hits by Hurricanes in the last 108 years.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/HAW2/english/history.shtml#great

1938,1944, 2 in 1954,1960, Agnes in 1972 caused wide spread flooding as did Floyd in 1999.

The links below are earthquake history for New York and New Jersey.

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/states/new_york/history.php

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/states/new_jersey/history.php

Thanks for the sources! :)

of course the storms hit NYC, the category 5 hurricanes from the south move up toward NYC and by that time its like tropical depression or even weaker.

but this is completely off topic.

Look at the web cam, there's further progress in the steel structure over northern core.

In my opinion discussing hurricanes and earthquakes is very on topic when discussing a cantilever structure such as Tower One. Gravity is the weakest force acting on such a tower where as, for example a 130mph wind would put the foundations on the windward side under tension and more than double the compression on the leeward side.

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa155/jwalas/Construction/P1010652.jpg

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa155/jwalas/Construction/P1010653.jpg

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa155/jwalas/Construction/P1010654.jpg

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa155/jwalas/Construction/P1010656.jpg

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa155/jwalas/Construction/P1010657.jpg

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa155/jwalas/Construction/P1010659.jpg

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa155/jwalas/Construction/P1010661.jpg

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa155/jwalas/Construction/P1010662.jpg

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa155/jwalas/Construction/P1010663.jpg

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa155/jwalas/Construction/P1010665.jpg

thanks for the pics jwalas. There so much work going on at FT alone. Whens the south core going to rise?

I'm loving the progress that's being made on the tower and especially the memorial!

WOW! A lot of process already! Very impressive! :)

One beam in the top photo is crooked...why?

^^

http://static.flickr.com/77/202631900_047ba88411_o.jpg

Exelentes those photos
This work will go forward to the whole engine will soon see the tower appear in the high skyline of New York, for which I am eagerly waiting.
Congratulations for being in this magnificent city built one of the most beautiful skyscraper in the world.

One beam in the top photo is crooked...why?

if u notice on the rendering the base columns is a 'V" shape :)

It's good to see the progress beginning to take shape as the construction workers have doubled their efforts!

Yes they can !!
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/mr-fish/Miscellaneous/Good.gif

Thanks for those pics !

Each time I have been to NYC after 9/11 I have visited Ground Zero... so now you can't imagine how happy I am to see FT rising...!!!

NYC Skyline rocks... and when FT and the rest of the complex is completed it will rock even more...

Very nice upodates jwalas :) ^^

Great shots Jwalas, I thought they put up a section of main column n the west side and your pics confirm it.

Looks like they are getting ready to place more erecting steel on the south core half.

http://www.rebuildgroundzero.org/modules/mod_webcam_pop_up.php?refresh=60&altText=Groud+Zero+Webcam+-+Rebuild+Ground+Zero+.org&camImgY=768&camImgX=960&imageurl=http://rebuildgroundzero.org/webcam/rgz_000.jpg

lots of activity all over the western bathtub

When does the tower approximately rise above the ground level?

Autumn seems so long away, but time is flying by anyway.

When does the tower approximately rise above the ground level?As jwalas's photos show, it's already well above ground level. However, it'll really start rising this fall.

When does the tower approximately rise above the ground level?

:ohno:

This question annoys me. Look carefully at the photos, dude! It is already above ground level.

Looking great! This tower will mean a lot for all Americans especially, when it is completed... (salutes)

from Lower Manhattan website


*The following information was last updated on January 21, 2009.

* Installation of tower-foundation steel columns (two cranes on site); superstructure began rising above grade in late summer 2008
* Pouring concrete for the foundation and rebar installation for north and south cores and sheer wall
* The south core is 35 feet above grade and rising
* The north core will rise above grade in summer 2009:)
* Utility installation and tie-ins

The north core will rise above grade in summer 2009
Good news :)

I think the construction of the north core will be an important factor for the total construction of the tower.
Because you can't build any floors with half a core.:lol:

;31265026']I think the construction of the north core will be an important factor for the total construction of the tower.
Because you can't build any floors with half a core.:lol:
Definitely one of the most brilliant statements ever written in this forum! :ohno:

Definitely one of the most brilliant statements ever written in this forum! :ohno:

Yes it was, the statement was more then CORRECT. You can't build the floorplates without completing the central core(s) first.

then how do you explain many buildings built in advance of the core? i'm not too sure but its not impossible and fairly common.

;31265026']I think the construction of the north core will be an important factor for the total construction of the tower.
Because you can't build any floors with half a core.:lol:
That it is indeed

then how do you explain many buildings built in advance of the core? i'm not too sure but its not impossible and fairly common.

What? Maybe you mean 'in advance of the foundations'.

Seriously ...

The steel being erected on the south half of the core makes it possible for the floor beams to be erected ahead of the core, if you define the core as being the re-bars and concrete. (I do) The north half of the core has to reach the present height of the south half before the 3rd floor can go in. (The second floor hangs from the 3rd floor and the core.) It goes without saying that the perimeter columns have to reach that height also. (With a 50 foot and a 24 foot section)

What? Maybe you mean 'in advance of the foundations'.

Seriously ...

the new goldman sachs, 7 wtc, and BofA in nyc were built with the core lagging behind.... many others are built the same way. you dont have to have the core first.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3280/2389702371_1fdc1772af_b.jpg

^^ But that building don't have any central core at all (I think even the old WTC twins didn't), while FT has.

^^ GS building is just over 200m

P.S.
old WTC had central core:

http://www.souptree.net/blog/images/wtc_underconstruction.jpg

http://www.european911citizensjury.com/WTC%20-%20construction%20-%20good%20picture.jpg

^^ But that building don't have any central core at all (I think even the old WTC twins didn't), while FT has.

Godlman Sachs does have a core. If you look at that picture you can see the core about 3 floors below the top. Earlier pictures of that building show a core rising.

the north tower collapsed due to the too much damage to the core...

the new goldman sachs, 7 wtc, and BofA in nyc were built with the core lagging behind.... many others are built the same way. you dont have to have the core first.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3280/2389702371_1fdc1772af_b.jpg
I cannot see a central core indeed... Seems little weird and strange to built a tower of 50 floors (?) without central core...

I cannot see a central core indeed... Seems little weird and strange to built a tower of 50 floors (?) without central core...

The core IS there; however, it's more than 10 floors behind the rest of the building. The whole building will be cladded before the core reached the top. I've always thought it was a strange way to construct a building, but it must work as well none the less...

taken during the second week of January

http://www.theworldedition.com/images/misc/wtc1.jpg

http://www.theworldedition.com/images/misc/wtc2.jpg

The core IS there; however, it's more than 10 floors behind the rest of the building. The whole building will be cladded before the core reached the top. I've always thought it was a strange way to construct a building, but it must work as well none the less...

But is that a reinforced concrete core, or is just a elevators shaft?

Regardless, it's obvious that in that building the core does not hold the building together (as to speak), as it is obvious from what has been build so far, that FT's central core will bear the main load of the structure therefore in the case of Freedom Tower the floors cannot be constructed before both the central cores have advanced upward. :cheers:

AltinD got it. The GS building is a braced skeleton frame, the core is just an area where the stairs and elevators are. Tower One is a Hybrid Tube design with a monolithic core. The Twin Towers were a Simple Tube and the Sears Tower is a Bundled Tube.

The Bank of America and 7 World Trade Center both have concrete cores that supports each buildings structural load yet lagged behind the steel during the construction of both. The IDS Tower here in Minneapolis also has a concrete core and that was built behind the rest of the stucture, yet supports most of the load.

WTC #7 is a hybrid skeleton frame, the concrete core is there to protect the stairs and elevators and to add strength. #7 would stand for 100 years without the core, baring fire etc. A building such as Tower One requires a different structural design due to it's height (twice as high as #7).

If, during construction of Tower One, the core lagged behind the erecting steel too far, the erecting steel would give under the load and the tower would collapse. I guess what I am trying to say is that Tower One is unlike any building ever built.

Theres some kind of tarp on the north core. Does anyone know what thats about?

probably protection-foil for the rebar

I think the tarp pretty much signifies that that portion of the core is ready to be poured. However the western part of the core still appears to have some work that needs to be done.

Oh, boy. I can't believe what I just saw. I was watching 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue on MSNBC when they began doing a long story on, get this...

Rebuilding the Twin Towers

That's right, folks. With the Freedom Tower already well above street level, a huge portion of the memorial park already built, and the foundation for Tower 4 laid out, this moronic host began saying something like, "With the beaurocratic slow-down in the rebuilding of the World Trade Center, one group just might have a solution to the nightmare, a group advocating the rebuilding of the Twin Towers." They then had an interview with a guy from, I assume, the Twin Towers II Alliance or one of those groups, who claimed that rebuilding the Twin Towers was still possible and it would, somehow, result in the completion of the site much sooner.

That's right, folks. This douchebag actually claims that spending months dismantling the steel in the memorial park and demolishing the portion of the Freedom Tower already built, throwing out the designs for all 4 towers and start from scratch in a multi-year long design period for the new towers plus smaller buildings and memorial, and then being forced to find new money would somehow cause the project to be completed FASTER. When will you TTII people learn to accept what is being built?

Forgot to mention, they said there was going to be a part two about the Twin Towers II on tomorrow's show, where they talk to some of the 9/11 victims family members about what they think of the Twin Towers II. For those of you in the U.S., that would be 6:00 eastern time on MSNBC.

i wonder if it was talB ^^ LOL

They dont know anything, i'll go watch and see if its on any other shows on msnbc! Also they have it on there website to and they want you to vote which one we want! RIDICULOUS they should know its getting built and how much progress has been done before they put a story on "rebuilding the twin towers"!!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/28863555#28863555 heres a video of the story! Very sad......they dont know anything

^^ Seriously how can anyone be that ignorant. I can't believe a major news network would even devote time and money for such a worthless story.

Oh, boy. I can't believe what I just saw. I was watching 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue on MSNBC when they began doing a long story on, get this...

Rebuilding the Twin Towers

That's right, folks. With the Freedom Tower already well above street level, a huge portion of the memorial park already built, and the foundation for Tower 4 laid out, this moronic host began saying something like, "With the beaurocratic slow-down in the rebuilding of the World Trade Center, one group just might have a solution to the nightmare, a group advocating the rebuilding of the Twin Towers." They then had an interview with a guy from, I assume, the Twin Towers II Alliance or one of those groups, who claimed that rebuilding the Twin Towers was still possible and it would, somehow, result in the completion of the site much sooner.

That's right, folks. This douchebag actually claims that spending months dismantling the steel in the memorial park and demolishing the portion of the Freedom Tower already built, throwing out the designs for all 4 towers and start from scratch in a multi-year long design period for the new towers plus smaller buildings and memorial, and then being forced to find new money would somehow cause the project to be completed FASTER. When will you TTII people learn to accept what is being built?

David Schuster has done this at least one other time that I've seen personally. Either him or someone at MSNBC has a personal vendetta against the current development, it seems.

They probably should have tried this 6 years ago.

They were showing old renderings of the freedom tower too! and saying stuff that donald trump said about the old freedom tower plan like "i looks like garbage" not this one!

^^ Seriously how can anyone be that ignorant. I can't believe a major news network would even devote time and money for such a worthless story.

It seems they waste plenty of time on plenty of worthless stories quite frequently. And I hate when we get repeated stories from 3 days before...

I'd rather hear about international news than how Lindsay Lohan went to rehab or whatever. But back on topic...

I can't conceive how any true American can be opposed to this construction...

pardon me but certain douchbags here need to keep political shit out of this thread!! You guys already been warned by the mods to keep that shit out wtf

now back to a topic, here is another pic: :)

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/955/3224679233wb3.jpg


http://www.flickr.com/photos/geneko/3224679233/

Discussing MSNBC's misrepresentation of the state of the site is hardly political. Chill out.

The reporter needs to be fired. Has he seen the work going on here. In one year we went from nothing to something. I'm from New York and I'm all for the FT. I'm suck of this no nothings, talking about something they know nothing about. I've been watch this building since the ground breaking. And I can't wait to it's finish. Those to ass holes can eat a dick.

Discussing MSNBC's misrepresentation of the state of the site is hardly political. Chill out.

maybe in your little world it's not. I"m here to follow construction progress not discuss what MSNBC said so take a chill pill.

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why can't we just all get along sigh..

Like Nichole Gelinas has any room to talk. That hair is definately not rational or attractive. Seriously, you're on National Television. Try making yourself look presentable, not like you just came out of a f**k session in the janitor's closet.

Do these two have any idea that they're mocking world renowned architects who have put a great deal of serious effort into these tower designs?


Anyways, thanks for the visual update webeagle12. I look forward to seeing construction, as planned, continue.

pardon me but certain douchbags here need to keep political shit out of this thread!! You guys already been warned by the mods to keep that shit out wtf

now back to a topic, here is another pic: :)

*Img removed for size*


http://www.flickr.com/photos/geneko/3224679233/

Is that an HDR pic?

Is that an HDR pic?

yes

Construction is slow..

Man, I watch a lot of news stations, including MSNBC once in a while, but after seeing that report on the WTC, it makes me wonder what the hell they were thinking. How can they have so many errors in one report and how can they be so incredible one-sided about it? I know the media likes to blindly pretend that this project is the biggest failure ever, but this is just pushing it to another level. It's really disturbing to see them ignore the progress and make lies about the project. Maybe someone should set up a meeting between the idiots who did that report and a few of the construction workers, managers and PA officials.

But is that a reinforced concrete core, or is just a elevators shaft?

I thought the same, too :) anyway...


Rebuilding the Twin Towers

That's right, folks. With the Freedom Tower already well above street level, a huge portion of the memorial park already built, and the foundation for Tower 4 laid out, this moronic host began saying something like, "With the beaurocratic slow-down in the rebuilding of the World Trade Center, one group just might have a solution to the nightmare, a group advocating the rebuilding of the Twin Towers." They then had an interview with a guy from, I assume, the Twin Towers II Alliance or one of those groups, who claimed that rebuilding the Twin Towers was still possible and it would, somehow, result in the completion of the site much sooner.

:?


http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/955/3224679233wb3.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/geneko/3224679233/

For HDR its awesome pic :cheers:

^^ Seriously how can anyone be that ignorant. I can't believe a major news network would even devote time and money for such a worthless story.

For shock value I supppose...I agree thought...completely ignorant and out of touch with reality!

maybe in your little world it's not. I"m here to follow construction progress not discuss what MSNBC said so take a chill pill.

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why can't we just all get along sigh..

What MSNBC said is pertinent to the construction going on at the site, and I'm not the one throwing a fit over people commenting on it so I'm not sure why I need to chill out. You're the one calling people douchebags.

But whatever man, I'm done arguing about it. You know my opinion I know yours.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/28863555#28863555 heres a video of the story! Very sad......they dont know anything

This is an interesting video, but it isn't the one I saw on TV last night. In the one last night, this host even talked about how the Freedom Tower would be occupied above the 70th floor and he interviewed a man, not this woman. This must have been from the day before yesterday, since in it he says that tomorrow he's going to be talking to one of the guys behind the Twin Towers II idea (this must be the segment I saw).

That MSNBC report was a joke! Seriously! Just about all of it was total bs!
I cant believe there are people who blindly follow everything they hear on MSNBC and FOX News!

This is an interesting video, but it isn't the one I saw on TV last night. In the one last night, this host even talked about how the Freedom Tower would be occupied above the 70th floor and he interviewed a man, not this woman. This must have been from the day before yesterday, since in it he says that tomorrow he's going to be talking to one of the guys behind the Twin Towers II idea (this must be the segment I saw).

He had someone on the last two nights and he is having someone on again tonight, so he's devoted three nights in a row to the issue. And like I said he has done this on his other show (before he hosted 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue).

I believe MSNBC is just giving the twin tower alliance some free publicity/air time. Regardless, from a practical stand point, they're (the TT Alliance) probably wrong on every argument. Their symbolic standpoint is totally subjective, whether you agree with them or not. I personally still think we could have done better than the FT, and that a lot of time has been wasted, but, come on, it's been 7 years, and we're finally making good progress, let's just all get behind it.

Great there going to talk about the "gapig hole" again later this hour on msnbc. Is there some way we can email Msnbc?

Most everyone outside of these forums thinks the whole project is a joke. The ticker on the bottom from the video says the FT will be finished 12 years after 9/11! That's what people will remember--not that it's complicated to build over a subway line, blah blah. Public opinion is a strong thing and it's really really hard to rationalize the absurd duration of this project to most people. Joe Public saw a hole in the ground 7 years ago, still pretty much sees a hole in the ground today, so why wouldn't he think there's still time to change the plans.

New photos in porth autorithy of New YOrk and New jerseY
yeak!:banana::banana: there's photos about memmorial!! thats is taking shape nicely:lol:

http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/image_gallery.html

this is a picture of the memmorial status!

http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/gallery/photos/homepage/012609/wtc_progress_012609_1.jpg

nice up date...i can see the construction site very clear...

I love seeing all the progress on the memorial, (though I wish they'd finish that last corner on the north pool). I can't wait to see this years' 9/11 anniversary. Nearly all the steel and deck plating should be installed. Maybe this year the media won't harp on "all the delays, no progress, etc." and acknowledge all the great work that has been done.

pardon me but certain douchbags here need to keep political shit out of this thread!! You guys already been warned by the mods to keep that shit out wtf

now back to a topic, here is another pic: :)

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/955/3224679233wb3.jpg


http://www.flickr.com/photos/geneko/3224679233/

wow,the core start to rise up!

pardon me but certain douchbags here need to keep political shit out of this thread!! You guys already been warned by the mods to keep that shit out wtf

now back to a topic, here is another pic: :)

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/955/3224679233wb3.jpg


http://www.flickr.com/photos/geneko/3224679233/

The american cranes look so different from their Chinese counterparts. :)

this is a picture of the memmorial status!

http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/gallery/photos/homepage/012609/wtc_progress_012609_1.jpg
Updates (progress) in Memorial site are really great

Two more images of the Memorial:

http://www.wtc.com/uploads/images/712x534/14_44_Memorial-Jan-27-2009.jpg

http://www.wtc.com/uploads/images/712x534/14_44_Memorial-Jan-27-09.jpg

Pictures are from January 27th from WTC.com

:)

The American cranes look so different from their Chinese counterparts. :)

Actually, those are Favelle Favco model 760D cranes made in Australia. They were brand new when erected back in April 2007, they also have consecutive serial numbers.

http://www.favellefavco.com/index.php

i hope this building will complete in this century.

I wish I had a dime for every nonsensical post about this taking so long, I'd be rich. DIDJA not see the towers fall? Dooya not realize the red tape in building on a terrorist attack site? Guess not. As Bugs would say....what a Maroon!

actually... the problems started with a debacle of a design competition for the site, only before silverstein chose to bastardize the illegitimate libeskind plan by hiring childs to reform it. the two came up with a crack baby of an altered master plan, which eventually got scrapped all together because the police department said the proximity of the twisted hunk of crap's base to the sidewalk was unsafe. eventually they came up with the freedom tower as we know it (which we also saw revised twice) and then the finalized plans for towers 2-5 many months later. - and now here we sit... mind you the libeskind plan was chosen long before anyone even knew what the hell the burj dubai was.

oh i can't believe i forgot to mention: all that stuff happened even after they presented (i think) 6 generic preliminary designs, which were near unanimously hated by the public.



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v426/AMSguy/Fosters-Battery-Park-view-11.jpg

i really think an opportunity for an amazing structure was passed up. not that i don't like what's being built now; i just think foster's tower(s?) would have been on a whole different level of awesomeness.

I hate the old pictures of the runner ups for the freedom tower. They're super ugly and tasteless. If your going to build twin towers, While I shouldn't have to say more. I luv the correct design as it is.

I would have liked to see the original twin towers back up; taller, stronger, and better.

you do know the runner ups were all actually favored over the existing plan right? there was supposed to be a public voting process, but pataki and silverstein quietly chose a plan for controversial reasons behind closed doors. in choosing libeskind, they almost went as far against the actual voting numbers as they possibly could have in that contest. - again, i like the freedom tower, but some of you guys should just know the real reason this whole thing came to be.

I would have liked to see the original twin towers back up; taller, stronger, and better.

I luv the old towers and I'll remember them forever. But I believe rebuilding them would only bring back pain of what we lost. If we're going to grow
and became stronger we need to get past this. But in doing so we most not forget those that were lost.

I wish I had a dime for every nonsensical post about this taking so long, I'd be rich. DIDJA not see the towers fall? Dooya not realize the red tape in building on a terrorist attack site? Guess not. As Bugs would say....what a Maroon!
The fact it was the terrorist attack site had very little to do with the delays. The biggest part of the delays were due to politics! Seems like every politician and agency wanted to stick their nose in and have the territorial fight of some kind or another. If they had let businessmen control the project it would already be done.

i hope this building will complete in this century.

Its late because of current economical crisis, and may also they would buiding foundation enough to tackle situations like 9/11.

1/23:
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc168/hauchyi/IMG_8377.jpg

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc168/hauchyi/IMG_8376.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v426/AMSguy/Fosters-Battery-Park-view-11.jpg
i really think an opportunity for an amazing structure was passed up. not that i don't like what's being built now; i just think foster's tower(s?) would have been on a whole different level of awesomeness.
I dont like too much this design... If was able to built twin towers, another rendering would be nice...

1/23:
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc168/hauchyi/IMG_8377.jpg

Great shot :cheers: imagine the same pic, with WTC towers complete :yes:

^^Wow!! those pics are stunning :master: you can even see the memorial!! this is awesome
I don't like this old render ,too... I cant't imagine how this tower would be built... on one part it looks so thin... well, it's the problem of the architechts... not mine ;)

what are the bars sticking out of the south core doing?

what is that building with all the yellow on it?

haha the south core looks tiny..

I just watched the final segment on MSNBC on the WTC. The host David Shuster is a complete idiot. He kept on saying that everyone wanted the original towers and the new plans were disgracing the families of 911. He sounded like a complete jackass. Meanwhile he had a guest from the Port Authority who did an excellent job of defending from the wack jobs obviously whom Shuster supports who want to rip all the work already done to rebuild the twins. The guy was so obnoxious about it just made me mad. Anyone else see the interview. i would like to know other people's thoughts

what is that building with all the yellow on it?
I was wondering the same thing

I just watched the final segment on MSNBC on the WTC. The host David Shuster is a complete idiot. He kept on saying that everyone wanted the original towers and the new plans were disgracing the families of 911. He sounded like a complete jackass. Meanwhile he had a guest from the Port Authority who did an excellent job of defending from the wack jobs obviously whom Shuster supports who want to rip all the work already done to rebuild the twins. The guy was so obnoxious about it just made me mad. Anyone else see the interview. i would like to know other people's thoughts

That guy should be smack along with, anybody else who thinks, they have a right to second guest, whats going on at the WTC site. I read here only the people on these thread like FT. And thats not true at all, must New Yorker don't care either way. Must of us just want to see the skyline restored and the people who died honored. All I ask for was more then one supertall, since I got that I have nothing bad to say about the design.

what is that building with all the yellow on it?

William Beaver House, 44 floors, 523 feet

what are the bars sticking out of the south core doing?

steel

what is that building with all the yellow on it?

It's a residential tower called the William Beaver House.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/trd_three/images/44354/beaverhouse_articlebox.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2107/2091138207_5afbeb2571.jpg?v=1196969417

There were so many victims on WTC ruin..
thingking the freedom tower will be haunted...

:angel1:

Nice Beaver.

haha the south core looks tiny..
From those photos ? ^^ Yes, indeed :lol:

I just watched the final segment on MSNBC on the WTC. The host David Shuster is a complete idiot. He kept on saying that everyone wanted the original towers and the new plans were disgracing the families of 911. He sounded like a complete jackass. Meanwhile he had a guest from the Port Authority who did an excellent job of defending from the wack jobs obviously whom Shuster supports who want to rip all the work already done to rebuild the twins. The guy was so obnoxious about it just made me mad. Anyone else see the interview. i would like to know other people's thoughts

^^ Follow this link where Christopher Ward (executive director from the Port Authority) talks with David Shuster:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/28939976#28939976
And yes that David Shuster guy pisses me of to because it's like he doesn't listen to Mr. Ward.:bash:

It's rather obvious that David (Shister) Shuster has an agenda and Christopher Ward knows it. I wonder how much Donald Trump payed MSNBC to air this pile of steaming . . . . .

looks like the msnbc polls are turning from rebuilding the twin towers to let the freedom tower be built ever since the guy came on from the port authority of ny and nj cam on. Probably because everyone noticed how bias david was!

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3418/3242583372_da648dd30d_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3470/3242586490_463f893a6e_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3507/3242588186_8a1c47fa93_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3121/3241766881_61d7a9f4f6_b.jpg

I love new york :cheers:

David Shuster makes me sick he's up to something. I have no respect for that man. And who was that dude with the jacked up hair. He say he's the designer of what he calls the twin towers II, it's the samething as the last two. I think Mr Ward did a great job stand up for this project.

Soon they want be able to say anything bad. We're making so much progress.


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http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3418/3242583372_da648dd30d_b.jpg

We know that all-ready :)

nice pics, econ tim, we can see the structure is growing up!!

Its growing really at a very slow pace.

what are the bars sticking out of the south core doing?

Serving beer and wine to the contruction workers!!:lol:

made its way all the way from Luxembourg those steel.

made its way all the way from Luxembourg those steel.
Do you have information that the reinforcing steel is also coming from Luxembourg? I know the large perimeter beams are because that's the only place that steel is available but I highly doubt they're importing the small steel for the reinforcing. There's no reason to incur the costs associated with importing steel sizes that are readily available here.

It's rather obvious that David (Shister) Shuster has an agenda and Christopher Ward knows it. I wonder how much Donald Trump payed MSNBC to air this pile of steaming . . . . .

Actually, does anyone know what Donald Trump thinks of the CURRENT design? Not that it really matters one iota what he thinks either way, but everytime I see advocates of the Twin Towers II quoting Donald Trump where he describes the Freedom Tower design as horrendous, it was from like 2002 and he was talking about the OLD design (which I think we all agree was horrendous), not the current better Freedom Tower design, much less the newer designs for the rest of the buildings. Does anyone know if Trump has spoken about the current designs?

Its growing really at a very slow pace.

not quite it will accelerate soon ;)

made its way all the way from Luxembourg those steel.

ArcelorMittal is the supplier if not wrong.

Shuster is an f'ing d-bag. I can't see his face anymore without getting pissed off.

David Shuster makes me sick he's up to something. I have no respect for that man. And who was that monkey face black dude with the jacked up hair. He say he's the designer of what he calls the twin towers II, it's the samething as the last two. I think Mr Ward did a great job stand up for this project.

Soon they want be able to say anything bad. We're making so much progress.

did you really just call kenneth gardner a "monkey face black dude"??? :sly:

don't be ignorant:
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2005/05/19/nyregion/19trump_lg.jpg

point was that dude is ugly which dude hmmmm edited

I'm sorry is there something wrong with calling someone monkey face. He's clearly black and he clearly looks like a money. And how I'm a being ignorant by pointing out someones character flaws. And watch what u say, don't want to look like a ass do you lol.

Thinly disguised racist bullshit.

Please get with the program, kingsc. We're not wasting our time on racism anymore.

And watch what u say, don't want to look like a ass do you lol.

best follow your own advice, chief... too late for this thread though.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3470/3242586490_463f893a6e_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3121/3241766881_61d7a9f4f6_b.jpg
Start to built (construct) floors, i think...
Yes it's part of the core, but please notice the vertical metal joist (column) which it is "outside" from the concrete wall of the core.

What an interminable construction! I hate saying this because it sounds like spam but it takes forever.

Patience...

Thinly disguised racist bullshit.

Please get with the program, kingsc. We're not wasting our time on racism anymore.

edited insults aren't nice plus it's BLACK HISTORY month. So lets get back to topic


best follow your own advice, chief... too late for this thread though.

That man is super ugly, I call it like I see it.

Start to built (construct) floors, i think...
Yes it's part of the core, but please notice the vertical metal joist (column) which it is "outside" from the concrete wall of the core.

There is the core...It's just not above the street yet...

^^^ part of the core is street level, you can clearly see it.

^^^ part of the core is street level, you can clearly see it.

:doh: Sorry, my mistake...I was tryin' to say that isn't at the same height as the part where is the steel...But it will rise once...

^^ well on topic guys, well on topic.

[QUOTE=kingsc;31688464]firstly you jackass I'm black there for it's not racism so get off you high horse.


OK, so you're not a racist; your're just ignorant, mean spirtied and abrassive. My bad.

By the way, one of the most biggotted persons I every met was a light skinned black man who said "you light, you bright, you in the right."

[QUOTE=kingsc;31688464]


OK, so you're not a racist; your're just ignorant, mean spirtied and abrassive. My bad.

By the way, one of the most biggotted persons I every met was a light skinned black man who said "you light, you bright, you in the right."

I'm sorry I wouldn't know.

Since Dec 2006 to Feb 2009 the progress so far...???
Isn't it slow...?

Look at the picture from then and now. The site isn't even the same. All the things they had to do it's a wonder they got this far.

Wow....another one hits the ignore list. What's up with you people? Can't you behave on the forum so we don't get all the threads locked???????

why is the link for page 372 but it goes back to 371?

I love new york :cheers:

Ditto

Exellent proyect and work in this tower.
I love the freedom tower.
Perfect designe.

Well Former Governer George Pataki went on msnbc Today, another bad report by 1600 pen ave as there poll numbers change to wating the freedom tower more and more.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/28984429#28984429

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Drop it and get back to topic. Question is are they build the before the south core rises

Well Former Governer George Pataki went on msnbc Today, another bad report by 1600 pen ave as there poll numbers change to wating the freedom tower more and more.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/28984429#28984429

where's the msnbc poll

George Pataki school him one time for the nation

Haven't checked this thread for a while. Is that steel temorary or is it permenant and part of the structure?
If so does that mean that this will actually rise?

Although no doubt the north core will need to catch up?

Haven't checked this thread for a while. Is that steel temorary or is it permenant and part of the structure?
If so does that mean that this will actually rise?

Although no doubt the north core will need to catch up?

permanent and part of the structure:). North core will reach ground level this summer

the steel is part of the permanent structure, the next rise of south core will suck in the lower part of the steel into its concrete.

The steel that you can see in my recent pictures is permanent. It is there to reinforce the core, and the concrete will be poured around it as the core rises. The core is being built in two halves, one for each crane. The south core is concrete that you can see in the pictures. The north core is not yet up to street level.

Part of the north core is being built over working subway tracks, so the work must proceed slowly until a protective concrete slab is poured. The weather is too cold for them to pour concrete now, so it will be a while before the north core advanced. But once the slab is complete, the north core should grow at a normal pace. The pieces of steel that look like they are hanging out over nothing will be part of the north core.

(Thanks to ZenSteelDude for this info.)

North core will reach ground level this summer
Sounds interesting :)

The weather is too cold for them to pour concrete now, so it will be a while before the north core advanced.

(Thanks to ZenSteelDude for this info.)

Does not compute - concrete can be poured in subzero (F) weather.

Chicago Jan 30
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_8TC_VUmf9Fw/SYTW7InmCPI/AAAAAAABE3c/W9NjFCa7SEo/s800/P1220817.JPG

and Jan 27
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_8TC_VUmf9Fw/SYRhVoj49ZI/AAAAAAABEus/bLgPcaW8cU0/s800/P1220250.JPG

Cement additives used for sub-freezing weather are strictly forbidden at Tower One. They are either corrosive or reduce the strength of the concrete. However, heating and insulation are permitted as long as the cement does not freeze before it cures. Remember, Tower One uses "super-crete", it's more than 4 times stronger than your average 3,000psi stuff.

I'm new in this thread and I'm very interested in the Freedom Tower, so here are some questions ¿When was this building started?¿When will it be finished?

I just visited the Rebuild Ground Zero site and this is what I saw.


Hi, we are currently moving my office because of the bad economic situation I need to find a new location for the webcam. If you have a window which looks at the site and would like to help to maintain the webcam stream, please contact us asap. Thanks for your support and Happy 2009! All the Best, The RGZ Team.

http://www.rebuildgroundzero.org/

Anyone willing and able to help would get my sincere thanks and I'm sure the thanks of everyone on this forum.

estaga, the short answer is Start:2006 Finish: 2013 or early 2014

Shows what ya can do with cheap labor and no building codes.


Hummmm, how did this post get ahead of the one I responded to?

Wow! Burj Dubai has reached 818metres this year, and The Freedon Tower...¿How high is it?

Wow! Burj Dubai has reached 818metres this year, and The Freedon Tower...¿How high is it?

Your point?

I just visited the Rebuild Ground Zero site and this is what I saw.


Hi, we are currently moving my office because of the bad economic situation I need to find a new location for the webcam. If you have a window which looks at the site and would like to help to maintain the webcam stream, please contact us asap. Thanks for your support and Happy 2009! All the Best, The RGZ Team.

http://www.rebuildgroundzero.org/

Anyone willing and able to help would get my sincere thanks and I'm sure the thanks of everyone on this forum.

That's unfortunate. I figured it was just a guy putting a camera in his office in the WFC and it looks like I was right. :(

where's the msnbc poll



http://www.newsvine.com/_question/2009/01/26/2356649-should-new-york-city-reconsider-rebuilding-the-twin-towers-instead-of-the-planned-freedom-tower-

Concrete is exothermic, it gives off heat.

- A

I will take photos next week.

- A

Wow! Burj Dubai has reached 818metres this year, and The Freedon Tower...¿How high is it?

Just a little pass street level but we'll never make 818 meters, 818 feet now we're talking.

Your point?

I guest his point would be if you jump you'll be dead before you hit the ground lol

http://www.newsvine.com/_question/2009/01/26/2356649-should-new-york-city-reconsider-rebuilding-the-twin-towers-instead-of-the-planned-freedom-tower-

Thanks I've been looking forever

Just a little pass street level but we'll never make 818 meters, 818 feet now we're talking.

If you talking about Freedom Tower, in feet is more than 1776ft :)
Also i notice something:

1776ft height of Freedom Tower
year 1776 declaration of independence

(?) (?)


btw feet is the official measure of U.S.?

If you talking about Freedom Tower, in feet is more than 1776ft :)
Also i notice something:

1776ft height of Freedom Tower
year 1776 declaration of independence

(?) (?)


btw feet is the official measure of U.S.?

Americans tend to be kind of stubborn about that kind of thing. It's why our ancestors were were kicked out of all the other countries.
Liebeskind used the 1776 foot height on purpose. It's about the only thing that's survived from his original design. He could have gone for 1776 meters, but it might be hard to build that on a 200 foot base.

If you talking about Freedom Tower, in feet is more than 1776ft :)
Also i notice something:

1776ft height of Freedom Tower
year 1776 declaration of independence

(?) (?)


btw feet is the official measure of U.S.?

I know how tall FT is. I was saying its going to be taller then 818 feet but shorter then 818 meters it's called a joke:lol:.

Answers to user submitted questions concerning the WTC memorial have been posted at wtcprogress.com (http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/q_a_intro.cfm):Q. It's known that the two Memorial pools will be about five feet shorter than the original Twin Towers footprints on each of the four sides in order to accommodate for below-ground technical reasons. Could you give us some idea what specifically these reasons are, and is the Port Authority considering adding some sort of five-foot-wide colored band or marker to wrap around the pools on the plaza floor in order to mark the exact footprints of the original towers? -- Ryan, Baton Rouge, LA.

A. The reason why the Memorial pools are smaller than the original footprints is due to the re-establishment of Fulton Street through the World Trade Center site. The re-establishment of Fulton and Greenwich streets through the site are part of the plans to move away from the former superblock and toward a more efficient and pedestrian/vehicle-friendly street grid. The pools will be 192 square feet, in contrast to the original tower footprints, which were 211 feet, 10 inches. However, the original tower dimensions will be visible in the bedrock level of the Memorial Museum through the display of the box-column remnants of the towers, which outline each footprint.So while it's not great news for those concerned about the footprint disparity, at least there will be some recognition of the original size.

I was trying to answer a question in the "other" forum about the frame, and got into figuring core movement. I know that the frame will distribute the load from whatever it's attached to differently and will also make the cores more shear resistant than regular reinforcing steel where it needs it most, but suspect that the main reason it's there might be to brace the cores to each other without having to pour them as a single unit. You really don't want two cores that high and thin flexing independently.
By placing the connections between cores at the right points you can break up resonances and have a lighter, more sway resistant structure than with a single monolithic core.

Answers to user submitted questions concerning the WTC memorial have been posted at wtcprogress.com (http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/q_a_intro.cfm):So while it's not great news for those concerned about the footprint disparity, at least there will be some recognition of the original size.

I'm the one who submitted this question (I'm surprised they actually answered it, since I submitted it to Chris Ward for his Q&A a few months back and he didn't answer it). As this gentleman just confirmed, the reason for the shortening is due to the presense of Fulton Street, which is an unbelievable shame.

In the months following 9/11, we were all concerned with making the best memorial possible, not creating the best stretch of Fulton Street possible. As currently designed, the stretch of Fulton Street which runs between the Freedom Tower and the North Tower pool will be a double-lane one-way street with extra room for parallel parking spots along the front of the Freedom Tower. If they removed the parallel parking spots, they would have about 10 feet of extra room to restore the North Tower pool (and therefore the South Tower pool as well) to its original size and still have room left over. Basically, they're sacrificing memorial space for parking spaces. They're building a parking lot in place of a memorial for the darkest moment in our country's history. Simply unbelievable.

I know how tall FT is. I was saying its going to be taller then 818 feet but shorter then 818 meters it's called a joke:lol:.
I knew that kingsc :) :lol:

Nomadd22, you are partially correct about the function of the "erecting steel", it is there to tie the core halves together and add strength to the core.

As it's name implies it is also there to make erecting simpler and therefore faster. If you take a look at the pics Econ-tim posted on page 370 you can clearly see the shear connection plates for the floor beams. Rather than embed the floor beams into the shear wall they are bolted to the "erecting steel" thus speeding up erection. After the core is cast the embedment of the ends of the floor beams into the core acts as a moment connection giving the tower greater strength to resist wind and seismic loads.

The erecting steel does one other important thing, it acts as a header above openings in the core walls.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3376/3256947180_937b482ae6.jpg?v=0
Below the "erecting steel" the core halves are tied together with "link beams", they are just wide flange beams covered with shear studs and encased in concrete.

Acording to the prints the pools are 198 feet square. Restoring Fulton St. isn't exactly why the pools are smaller, Fulton was moved south to get it further away from Tower One.

Personally, that 5 foot difference doesn't bother me becouse the foundations of the towers well be on display in the Musium exactly where they were placed back in the 60s.

i know its immature, but when you say erection not construction i giggle inside

Not next week, tomorrow!

- A

Not next week, tomorrow!

- A

wtf :ohno:

anyway here us more pics:

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/6084/325072705577ca00499aoed4.jpg

http://www.flickr.com/photos/javate/3250727055/

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/828/32499212058655075657bfc4.jpg

http://www.flickr.com/photos/derek7272/3249921205/

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/2725/3245306118b688aeae10bvy9.jpg

http://www.flickr.com/photos/20744771@N03/3245306118/

seems they poured the next floor already

Acording to the prints the pools are 198 feet square. Restoring Fulton St. isn't exactly why the pools are smaller, Fulton was moved south to get it further away from Tower One.

Personally, that 5 foot difference doesn't bother me becouse the foundations of the towers well be on display in the Musium exactly where they were placed back in the 60s.

Except that below-ground, only a portion of the footprints for each tower will be visible. Less than half of the South Tower's foundation columns will be visible. Like I've said many times, if they need to shorten the pools for whatever reasons, that's fine, but they should at least still create some kind of visual marker for the EXACT footprints on the plaza level, such as a 5-foot wide silver band "painted" onto the plaza that wraps around each pool. It would cost nothing, would allow them to keep Fulton Street as is, wouldn't interfere with the construction already done, and would preserve the dimensions of the original footprints.

Except that below-ground, only a portion of the footprints for each tower will be visible. Less than half of the South Tower's foundation columns will be visible. Like I've said many times, if they need to shorten the pools for whatever reasons, that's fine, but they should at least still create some kind of visual marker for the EXACT footprints on the plaza level, such as a 5-foot wide silver band "painted" onto the plaza that wraps around each pool. It would cost nothing, would allow them to keep Fulton Street as is, wouldn't interfere with the construction already done, and would preserve the dimensions of the original footprints.

I feel the same way, but I think we just need to accept that what things aren't going to change. The Port Authority is stubborn as hell and incompetent to boot.

RKOwens, I agree with you 100%, say a stainless steel strip embedded into the plaza pavement marking the outline of the Twins would cost very little and mean so much !

seems they poured the next floor already

The next floor of what, where?

RKOwens, I agree with you 100%, say a stainless steel strip embedded into the plaza pavement marking the outline of the Twins would cost very little and mean so much !

Didn't you post some drawings showing the edge of the pools over at WiredNewYork? I thought there was going to be plaques with the names of victims or something on the edge of the pool??? Or am I thinking of something completely different.

You are correct.

My hope is they add a strip showing the exact outline of the Towers in the plaza pavement.

Here is the sketch.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/35124796@N04/3256117631/

You are correct.

My hope is they add a strip showing the exact outline of the Towers in the plaza pavement.

Here is the sketch.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/35124796@N04/3256117631/

Ah, the plaques are included in the 198 feet. Damn. Hopefully they put some sort of strip in. Aren't you involved in the contract work? Maybe you can put in the good word? :) ;)

I wish I had that kind of pull:)

RKOwens, I agree with you 100%, say a stainless steel strip embedded into the plaza pavement marking the outline of the Twins would cost very little and mean so much !

I posted this pic before, but I think something like this would be awesome, and also preserve the angled corners:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3211/3126354492_102ea3712e_o.jpg

on hold?

on hold?

why?

im just asking

http://www.flickr.com/photos/35124796@N04/sets/72157613376736607/

Useful sketches that may help explain design as questions arise

on hold?

Yeah there's definitely no steel being erected at the site or anything.

Did you even read the thread?

probably not ^^

WTC is not on hold...

The next floor of what, where?
He probably means the floor in WTC1

Freedom Tower is on hold every day between 11:30am and 12:30pm...


...for lunch breaks.:lol:

:)

on hold?

Damn your right, I left it on the other line for 2 years.
I forgot how to switch over on my phone:lol::lol::lol:.

On another note. Lets see if we can get a race started, when some of these other towers start coming out of the floor.

Freedom Tower is on hold every day between 11:30am and 12:30am...
...for lunch breaks.:lol::)
Boy, I need a job like that where you get a 13 hour lunch break, must be hard to get anything done though! :hahano:

Yeah you gotta em on that one, now the jokes on you buddy lol: lol:

Here something I found interesting. The list of the top ten skylines in the world. Who's number one, do you really need to ask here the links

http://realestate.yahoo.com/promo/the-worlds-tallest-cities.html

http://www.forbes.com/2009/01/30/new-york-shanghai-dubai-business-logistics_0130_tallest_cities_slide_2.html?partner=yahoore

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_8TC_VUmf9Fw/SYRhVoj49ZI/AAAAAAABEus/bLgPcaW8cU0/s800/P1220250.JPG

I think these concrete trucks work at TGI Fridays.

Freedom Tower is on hold every day between 11:30am and 12:30am
...for lunch breaks.:lol:

Yes, of course... all those workers, all those people how work on site, need a break indeed :) :yes:

The next floor of what, where?

of the core ^^....you can see concrete inside the formwork :)

Oh I see what you mean, that concrete has been there awhile.

Just checked the cams, they are assembling another section of erecting steel and I guess they are going to put it up today. That would bring the hight up to floors 3M and 4.

Oh I see what you mean, that concrete has been there awhile.

Just checked the cams, they are assembling another section of erecting steel and I guess they are going to put it up today. That would bring the hight up to floors 3M and 4.

I'm very surprised to see more steel being added. I would've thought they'd be moving the formworks first. But more steel means more height. This addition should make height ~100 feet.

I will add photos soon, but i just want to say that the framework that looks like it's sitting on the core..... really looks like a rising formwork frame used to take the core from ~ street level to the top.......

I will add photos soon, but i just want to say that the framework that looks like it's sitting on the core..... really looks like a rising formwork frame used to take the core from ~ street level to the top.......

a what :|

I'm very surprised to see more steel being added. I would've thought they'd be moving the formworks first. But more steel means more height. This addition should make height ~100 feet.

I'm surprised by it also. The exact height is 96 feet 3 inches above the finished ground floor.

I'm very surprised to see more steel being added. I would've thought they'd be moving the formworks first. But more steel means more height. This addition should make height ~100 feet.

i think that is might be for something else but I might be wrong

i think that is might be for something else but I might be wrong

The steel appears to be the same design shape from the already installed core steel. So I think it will be added to the top of the south core. We'll know by tonight or tomorrow.

of the core ^^....you can see concrete inside the formwork :)
Thanks ZZ-II :) I knew that new floor was probably the core...

South Core Steel continues to rise today @ 11:00 am est

:banana::banana::banana:

:cheers::cheers::cheers:

^^ yep, the steel is rising again. Anyone know the height?

See post #7478.

Just looked at the webcam, looking good!!

South Core Steel continues to rise today @ 11:00 am est

:banana::banana::banana:

:cheers::cheers::cheers:

:banana::banana::banana: Finally! It's soo good to see some heoght going on this one!

http://i40.tinypic.com/t7bx2b.jpg

Seems like it's quickly approaching 100 feet tall.

Its certainly about time some decent progress was visible =D

damn, what are they doing?

Oops, it´s anti - gravity core construction, It will be very massive, with north core.

looks like it can topple over with high wind, its proper top-heavy.