Hi I'm new in this forum ...also I'm very glad to see some advances in the construction of the freedom tower at last !!eh!! well sure its massive core will prevent the tower from bouncing because of the strong winds.... what I don't know is when this project is gonna be done ???

Topping out in 2011 and opens in 2013.

http://www.nyc-architecture.com/SPEC/GON001-A24.jpg

The first Tower One just a few floors more advanced in it's construction than the new Tower One.

thanx for the info ebola ............at this pace surely it will be open around that time

Gimme' some res-ol-ution :)

That's a building. I was happy before, with the steel they were putting up. Now I'm ten times as happy. I don't know what they're doing. Wait yes I do, they're trying to build a skyscraper Daaah. And it seems to be getting closer to a 100 feet. They did all of this on the weekend good job. Now lets get the north core moving.

Come on N.Y rise... RISE!!!!! :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

:banana:


N.Y needs new supertalls :master: :master: :master:

hello,

I am very interested in this project.
I read that you can follow the project by the webcam.

Can someone give me the link for the webcam?

Thanks in advance. :)

http://www.earthcam.com/usa/newyork/groundzero/

I like cam #3 best. You can enlarge it. Or, you can also click 'High Definition' cam on left and zoom in.

Bugs

http://i40.tinypic.com/t7bx2b.jpg
Seems like it's quickly approaching 100 feet tall.
WOW! Very nice pic Ebola :cheers: thanks a lot... :okay:

damn, what are they doing?
It appears that they began to construct floors. Those metal columns is not -only- for the core...

Let's hope for the first floors this month. Would be so cool to see some.
Does anybody know the exact hight?

idk but its probally almost 100'..but i can't wait to see what next week is going to look like

Today

http://i44.tinypic.com/xlz9qu.jpg

http://i40.tinypic.com/zojkvt.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/978xo9.jpg

Im new to the site...does anyone know the completion date for the freedom tower?

it's planned to be done 2013 for the anniversary of sept 11

the anniversary will be in 2011 marking 10 years of the collapse of wtc1/2 and don't forget 3 but still the project is already late and i can't see the other new buildings around it starting to go up wtc4 ect...

I'm surprised by it also. The exact height is 96 feet 3 inches above the finished ground floor.

Ya'll need to curb your enthusiasm, it'll be months before floors are added. The north half of the core has to catch up, the Vessey St. overhang has to come down and winter has to end.

http://www.earthcam.com/usa/newyork/groundzero/

I like cam #3 best. You can enlarge it. Or, you can also click 'High Definition' cam on left and zoom in.

Bugs
thanks you very much.
I Will visit New York in the summer. So I will take than some photos.

Great updates! It is time for both cranes to erect.

You guys have to calm down and save it for a few more months. It seems like the other side of the core won't be going up until at least summer. But its still great to see all of the extra height and it rising so fast. I'd like to know how much taller they plan on going with that side of the core in these coming weeks. I can't wait to see pictures from street level now. Now there's NO way to miss it or say something like there's no big visible progress unless you're mentally challenged. On a side note, progress on WTC Tower 4 should be picking up even more, too; it should be above street level by September.

Great updates! It is time for both cranes to erect.

no it isn't :)

Its nice underway cant wait to see it rise in the skyline!!! :cheers:

:banana: :banana: :banana:

From earthcam pics the rising core (floors probably) looks amazing and impressive!

I don't know how difficult is to work with this weather in NY? any problems at all for the construction workers i n the core?? I heardd its pretty bad the weather snowstroms and everything....

Hmm...atleast its rising..

I don't know how difficult is to work with this weather in NY? any problems at all for the construction workers i n the core?? I heardd its pretty bad the weather snowstroms and everything....

it's actually been quite warm the last few days

Damn your right, I left it on the other line for 2 years.
I forgot how to switch over on my phone:lol::lol::lol:.

On another note. Lets see if we can get a race started, when some of these other towers start coming out of the floor.

:lol::lol::lol:

Finally! I am so excited to see this tower rise, and hopefully fill at leats a bit of the gap that the twins left on the NY skyline!:)

http://i44.tinypic.com/xlz9qu.jpg

From 2 weeks ago:
http://www.earthcam.com/swf/cam_player/enlarge_image.php?type=still&path=http://archives.earthcam.com/archives3/metros/gzmp/20090111.jpg&name=Live%20Aerial%20View&width=640&height=480&img_width=640&img_height=480

The memorial has flown up...

^^ Well compared to the rest of ground zero, the memorial is being build quickly.
But I still think that it could go much faster.

Memorial construction was/is fast indeed

A NYTimes article posted today on wtc.com refers to the fact that the memorial pools won't be the full 208'x208' dimensions of the original tower footprints, but interestingly it says that the trees surrounding the pools will form a grove around the pools 208'x208'. If true, I think this would be an awesome solution to the frustrating inaccuracy with the pool dimensions. The trees lining the pools could be akin to the tree columns that outlined the footprints of the towers, branching off about 40-50 feet up (the trees themselves would also start branching off at a similar height), like so...

http://www.atpm.com/10.08/images/02-world-trade-center.gif

This would also provide about 5-10 feet between the trees and the pools (I've heard conflicting reports of how wide the inaccuracy will be) so that visitors can walk "inside" the original footprints of the towers, if only slightly. Heck, it'd also provide a little something for the people who wanted tree columns to outline the original footprints. Now, if they painted the floor of the plaza silver or some other color, or put a stainless steel band in the plaza, running the full perimeter of the tree outlines, that would be perfect. In fact it might even be better than if the pools marked the exact outlines.

Wow, you guys want to know the definition of timely as f***? Get a load of this. Almost a year ago, I emailed WTC photographer Joe Woolhead asking him if he knew the dimensions of the memorial pools. He said he didn't know, but would ask one of the guys at the site. A few months later, I met him in New York City and asked him if he'd ever found out by any chance, and he still hadn't. I talked to him on the phone about a week ago, and he still didn't know but said he'd ask. A few minutes ago, I posted the message above. Immediately afterwards, I checked my email and saw this message from Joe. You won't believe it...

"Ryan,

Hope you're well. So, finally, spoke to one of the principal designers of the Memorial Plaza and he threw some figures at me. The smaller inner square will be 40', the larger inner square will be 176', followed by an 8' foot wall making the outer square 192'. Also, from tree to tree, across the Plaza (as in the first line of trees next to the outer square) the measurement is 210'. Hope this is helpful to you. Will be in touch.

Yours,
Joe"

Weird, huh? I had never even heard of the tree outline idea, then just a few minutes after I post about how it would be a cool idea, I find out that it is indeed being put into place. Awesome.

they removed the protection foil from the north core, maybe there's finally going to be a concrete pour ...

Weird, huh? I had never even heard of the tree outline idea, then just a few minutes after I post about how it would be a cool idea, I find out that it is indeed being put into place. Awesome.

The Port Authority works in mysterious ways.:lol:

they removed the protection foil from the north core, maybe there's finally going to be a concrete pour ...

could be possible....lets hope the best :)

I drew this up about 6 months ago, it's based on the actual prints for the Memorial. The overall outside dimension is 198 feet, not 200 feet as the sketch states nor is it 192 feet. .

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3490/3256117631_c42526f3af.jpg?v=0

Core rise seems imminent.
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/4584/megapixelcamera20090211uw4.jpg

Work on memorial site 2 is progressing nicely.
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/8984/20090211163000xm9.jpg

The construction is really picking up the pace.

they removed the protection foil from the north core, maybe there's finally going to be a concrete pour ...

This next floor jump should bring the north core up to street level. :)

If by "street level" you mean B2 then yes, the next "jump" well bring it to "street level".

Come on, the climbing form hasn't even been placed on the northwest quadrant of the core yet.

PS: the height of the forms has nothing to do with floors or floor height or floor location.

<puts the prints away and heads off to watch Lost.>

If by "street level" you mean B2 then yes, the next "jump" well bring it to "street level".

Come on, the climbing form hasn't even been placed on the northwest quadrant of the core yet.

PS: the height of the forms has nothing to do with floors or floor height or floor location.

<puts the prints away and heads off to watch Lost.>

Speaking of forms ... and prints ... : Why are they using that kind of form work panels? They shurely could have been using something more 'up to date' that allow for a faster construction times and less possibilities of human errors.

Sorry guys, can't find the WT2 and WTC3. I guess they are on hold. Anybody can help me with the link?

I drew this up about 6 months ago, it's based on the actual prints for the Memorial. The overall outside dimension is 198 feet, not 200 feet as the sketch states nor is it 192 feet. .

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3490/3256117631_c42526f3af.jpg?v=0

I remember seeing this sketch and this is what I meant by I've heard conflicting reports as to the exact dimensions. One thing that stands out immediately is that your sketches and what this designer says both agree that the inner square will be 176' by 176' (give or take an inch). The only difference is that your sketches show the parapet as 10' 11" wide, while this designer says it will be 8 feet wide. If 10' 11" (times two) were added to the 176 feet, it would be about 198 feet wide. If the parapet were 8 feet wide, it would create a total of 192' by 192'.

From photos taken of the portions of the North Tower pool already constructed, we can see with a pretty good estimate that the inner square is about 16 feet inward from the center of the perimeter columns. That's 207' 8" minus 32 feet, or about 176 feet. There's no question that the inner square is going to be 176 feet, there's just some conflicting reports as to the width of the parapets. It's possible that the width of it has changed in the time since the sketches you have were created. Either way, I'm happy with the design. 198' is closer to the original dimensions, but a parapet only 8 feet wide means that visitors will have a clearer view of the pools.

Sorry guys, can't find the WT2 and WTC3. I guess they are on hold. Anybody can help me with the link?

they're not on hold. and the threads are in the proposed supertalls section

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3473/3273033720_e342e6e001_b.jpg

Rising, rising (finally) :cheers:

gd bc of high winds today almost all work is stopped :rant:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3473/3273033720_e342e6e001_b.jpg

This looks somewhat frightening, with the steel on the left floating in space.... how much higher can the steel rise before the north core rises?

WTC Update:
Steel on 1 WTC, the Freedom Tower, is now over 100ft high. To see the progress, visit www.wtcprogress.com.

;32193530']WTC Update:

105 feet to be exact. :cheers:

96' 3" to be exact. That site is just rounding up.


Oh wait, they are going from street level to the top, not the ground floor, and they're still off about 4 feet. Oh well, what's 4 feet on a 1,368 foot tower.

Now, pic 2 and 3 are something to get worked up about, north core progress !

http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/index.html

great to read that the north core will finally rise soon :)

Taken from http://www.wtcprogress.com (http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/index.html):
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/2351/wtcfreedomtower105ftnortl8.jpg

That proves that both cranes need to be erected soon.

they keep talkin about this upcoming pour but I wanna know the date!

96' 3" to be exact. That site is just rounding up.


Oh wait, they are going from street level to the top, not the ground floor, and they're still off about 4 feet. Oh well, what's 4 feet on a 1,368 foot tower.

Zen, maybe they're adding 9 feet to the 196 feet by including the short pieces of steel sticking up above the horizontal beams at the very top. Who knows. They're probably just eager to show off the height after all those ridiculous MSNBC freedom tower bashing segments the week before last.

BTW, Zen, do you know why the steel beams and columns now being put into place within the concrete of the core only started at the street level? Why didn't they start doing this at the beginning, at bedrock level? If they're meant to make the core stronger against car bombs, it makes little sense as there's no protection from threats entering, for instance, in the loading docks below ground or even by the PATH trains running through the building. Also, it seems like the columns would have a better footing if they were set into the bedrock. What gives?

They have a lot of work to do, but wow, this is getting exciting! :)

Zen, maybe they're adding 9 feet to the 196 feet by including the short pieces of steel sticking up above the horizontal beams at the very top. Who knows. They're probably just eager to show off the height after all those ridiculous MSNBC freedom tower bashing segments the week before last.

BTW, Zen, do you know why the steel beams and columns now being put into place within the concrete of the core only started at the street level? Why didn't they start doing this at the beginning, at bedrock level? If they're meant to make the core stronger against car bombs, it makes little sense as there's no protection from threats entering, for instance, in the loading docks below ground or even by the PATH trains running through the building. Also, it seems like the columns would have a better footing if they were set into the bedrock. What gives?
The base doesn't need more compression strength and whatever passes for the "ground" around the base of the building will probably brace it laterally, so there's no purpose for steel below ground level.

One of the reasons for the erecting steel is to give the floor beams something to bolt too,(notice all the shear tabs for floor beams) this speeds construction because the steel erection doesn't need to wait for the core cement (to a point, there is a height limit before it's encased in concrete). The beams also act as headers above core wall openings.
Below is a plan view of the floor framing, it's not of any particular floor.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/35124796@N04/3256947180/in/photostream/

Everything below the second floor except the perimeter columns is cast concrete, there's no need to bolt floor beams to the core because there are none.


Nomadd22, concrete is much stronger than steel under compression. Steel is much stronger than concrete under tension. If not for the above stated purposes the erecting steel would just take up room that could be filled with cement and re-bar.

http://www.wcbs880.com/pages/3838915.php?imageGalleryXRefId=937456#imgXR

This is great the updates are outstanding. This going alot faster, then I could ever hope for.

they keep talkin about this upcoming pour but I wanna know the date!I think the Port Authority's learned better than to give exact dates when they don't have to.:)http://www.wcbs880.com/pages/3838915.php?imageGalleryXRefId=937456#imgXRFantastic shots! It's an angle we don't get to see usually, too. The lighting really highlights the steel framework above grade.

Thanks for the diagram Zensteeldude.
Apparently, they don't intend for the floor beams to pull away from the core in case of problem like the previous structures had. Not to mention the core itself being so much stronger than before.

Great updates indeed

One of the reasons for the erecting steel is to give the floor beams something to bolt too,(notice all the shear tabs for floor beams) this speeds construction because the steel erection doesn't need to wait for the core cement (to a point, there is a height limit before it's encased in concrete).

Do you know when the perimeter columns will start going up? The PA report in October said steel would begin in late 2009, but we're already seeing huge amounts of steel going up in the core. Does this indicate that they may also begin raising the height of the perimeter columns soon in order to keep pace (and allow for floor beams atop the lobby to be installed)?

I don't know exactly when the perimeter columns well be extended, there is much to be done on the north side, not just the core. The PA tends to be conservative on dates so maybe we'll see columns going up this summer.:)

As far as the core steel goes it's a drop in the bucket compared to the perimeter columns. What's up so far is less than 200 tons, compare that to the next section of the perimeter columns that weigh in at over 32 tons each, 6 per Tower face. Plates are in blue, beams are in red.(Second from the left)


http://www.flickr.com/photos/35124796@N04/3256117559/in/photostream/

Then there are the branching connections at the 3rd floor, massive !
http://www.flickr.com/photos/35124796@N04/3273015312/in/photostream/

PS: a W14x730 weighs 730 pounds per foot.

they keep talkin about this upcoming pour but I wanna know the date!

Today... They've been pouring concrete all night.:banana:

finally!!!! now they've to hurry up to reach the same height as the south core :)

The New WTC will be the tallest buildind in US?

The new WTC will be the tallest building in U.S?

depends on the construction of the Chicago spire ^^. probably the FT will be the tallest for a short time

Lots going on today. They are pouring the north core, erecting more steel over the south core, are starting to take down the foundation of the revamped temporary PATH entrance and are supposed to be putting up a new tower crane over WTC4.

Lots going on today. They are pouring the north core, erecting more steel over the south core, are starting to take down the foundation of the revamped temporary PATH entrance and are supposed to be putting up a new tower crane over WTC4.

Don't know if for you it's the same (I am not in the building field so probably I can't fully appreciate developments) but for me it's the first time that I can see so evidents developments on the FT, week after week.

And I'm checking this since 3 years. Now we're going up! :banana::banana:.

yey they finally starting to pour north core :banana::banana::banana::banana: but I don't think they will put new cranes this weekend. I detect no activity on WTC4 today.

hell yes!

depends on the construction of the Chicago spire ^^. probably the FT will be the tallest for a short time

...and even still, the Sears Tower has a much taller roof height (1386' F.T. versus 1451' S.T.)
Even if the spire of the FT will be taller, I think that it is fair to say that the Sears Tower is more imposing than the Freedom Tower will be.

Traitor lol with out it spire chrysler building isn't over a 1000 feet. And Twin towers where more imposing then the sears tower could ever hope to be. Not picking any fights but the sear tower is by far the ugly piece of crap I've ever see. So yes the freedom tower will be the tallest because the spire counts.


http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh202/king-sc/2174530391_f41458da4f.jpg
by stuart axe

Antennas don't count. The antenna of the north tower.

cmmn, this spire vs roof discussion should be settled by now. For me though personally, the roof height looks more appropriate. E.g Federation tower is taller than sears tower with the giraffe spire.

well the "more imposing" debate is also quite relative... even the Woolworth would look very imposing in let's say Albany today, while in NY u can hardly see it anymore

28 hours of concrete pour. This was the biggest concrete job so far on a site. :) kudos to workers:applause:

You mean the 792 feet masterpiece of lower Mahattan. It was the tallest building in the world into 1930. And woolworths the 15 tallest in the city, it's pretty hard for it to get lost.

well the "more imposing" debate is also quite relative... even the Woolworth would look very imposing in let's say Albany today, while in NY u can hardly see it anymore

...in Baltimore it would be the tallest by 263 feet. So yes it is still quite imposing.

When is it going to be at street level.

One has to wonder just how many cubic yards they did pour.

28 hour hmmm how many hours do you think it would take to catch up to the south core?

huh

Are the basement levels complete? are they nearing completion?

Are the basement levels complete? are they nearing completion?

1 more floor to go ( on south side of the core) I think 2-3 floors to go on north side. In about 1-2 weeks ( after concrete will cure) south side will rise up

The rebuildinggroundzero webcam seems to be stuck on February 12th, does anyone have a pic of the results of the 28 hour pouring? Or a link to a different webcam for that matter...

The rebuildinggroundzero webcam seems to be stuck on February 12th, does anyone have a pic of the results of the 28 hour pouring? Or a link to a different webcam for that matter...

http://www.earthcam.net/users2/interface.php?id=445&projectid=202&clientid=158

Cheers!

ARISE!! I tell thee!

When is it going to be at street level? This is taking FOREEEVVERR. :lol:


Anyway, I can't wait to see some street level photos of it now.

EarthCam

http://i40.tinypic.com/f0xkoy.jpg

From Flickr (stellacatuhe and christina.rejkjaer) :

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3438/3282299944_4775b19d6f.jpg?v=0

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3565/3282301102_635998f81a.jpg?v=0

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3336/3282241540_a4e1cd4dfb.jpg?v=0

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3504/3282248940_be65a1c136.jpg?v=0

After seeing webcam... I am surprised that how quickly they processed on WTC 4 compared to WTC 2 and 3. I am wondering why is that?

After seeing webcam... I am surprised that how quickly they processed on WTC 4 compared to WTC 2 and 3. I am wondering why is that?

Port Authority retaining wall in the way, Tower 4 already has tenants lined up, etc.

^ I thought that was in the way of T4, not T3 or T2...

New York Times: "Only 1,671 Feet to Go" (http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/02/13/only-1671-feet-to-go/)

Port Authority retaining wall in the way, Tower 4 already has tenants lined up, etc.

Good to know. Do you know what tenants will move in that tower 4?

The framework seems to be part of the base of the tower, not temporary form support, however it still could be form support. When i was there saturday i saw them pumping concrete into 2 areas. They have a lot of the steel in place, and i believe things will progress faster now. Will post photos (& vids if i have any) ASAP.

- A

Good to know. Do you know what tenants will move in that tower 4?

The Port Authority itself along with several Federal agencies will be the tenants in WTC4.

Private corps will also be in all 6 WTC towers. At first there was supposed to be a "China Center" to increase trade relations between China and the US in 7WTC, but that obviously died, and now its supposed to be in the Freedom Tower, but I dunno if that Chinese real estate company or SP/PANYNJ have accepted or if the plan is still alive.

i can't see why most hates the new design, it fits well in the city :)

^ I thought that was in the way of T4, not T3 or T2...

The main reason why WTC2 and WTC3 haven't started yet is that the old temporary PATH entrance, which sits partially within the future footprints of both buildings, hasn't been excavated yet... and still seems to be nowhere finished. Another reason for the delay in WTC3 in particular was that last summer Merril Lynch (one of the future tenants) wanted to redesign part of the building, so that put construction on hold (though with the financial problems with Merril Lynch, it's unclear whether any re-design will even happen).

Nothing can happen until that PATH entrance is completely excavated.

Well, what the hell are they waiting for? Who's job is it to clear that area? PA or SP? If it's the PA, I say they are utter idiots because they are the ones being fined and paying SP. If we don't start seeing more progress in that area soon, something is really messed up.

It is good to see notorious progress going up. Still too much way to go at ground level !

I think we should change the thread name to Freedom Tower (1WTC)

patience my friend..we are not dubai(low salaries,unfair labor condition, etc.).i am happy with the progress and i love this design and whoever doesn't like it.. well its too late.. HAHAHA sucka..i wish we could have gone taller than 2000 ft but i'm still happy...

I'm glad it's finally rising:)

I only live 90 miles away, about a two hour drive ... I should take a trip up to NY to see the site again.

The Freedom Tower is an elegant design, and I like it. The base bothered me a little when I first saw the renders, but now I think they are an excellent aspect of the overall design. :)

Here's one of the latest overview photos WTC site from panynj.gov.

Feb 2009

http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/gallery/photos/wtc_site/WTC-Aerial_labelled-feb09.jpg

this is huge!

Considering how long the pour was I wonder how long it will be for that concrete in the north core to cure.

Here's one of the latest overview photos WTC site from paynynj.gov.

Feb 2009



Great photo.
Got an extra y in your link. panynj.gov

Considering how long the pour was I wonder how long it will be for that concrete in the north core to cure.

at least couple weeks probably

north core will rise soon anyway...

Does anyone know how many stories the museum pavillion (the outdoor building part of the museum) will be? Some early renderings had it at four stories, which would be nice. Then it was scaled down to three stories. Now, some renderings suggest it may only be two actual stories with a third story closed off and devoted to mechanical equipment. This is expected to become the most visited museum in the country and probably the world. The pavillion has to be bigger than 2 stories!

I haven't heard anything official though, I'm just going by the renderings. Has anyone heard the latest on how many stories it will be?

it has been a while since i have been in this thread, for fear of exactly what i have seen.... very slow progress.... we can go faster than this!

^^^^ your the first person who said this project going slow in a long time. Why don't you catch up with the rest of us and see how fast this thing is moving.

Does anyone know how many stories the museum pavillion (the outdoor building part of the museum) will be? Some early renderings had it at four stories, which would be nice. Then it was scaled down to three stories. Now, some renderings suggest it may only be two actual stories with a third story closed off and devoted to mechanical equipment. This is expected to become the most visited museum in the country and probably the world. The pavillion has to be bigger than 2 stories!

I haven't heard anything official though, I'm just going by the renderings. Has anyone heard the latest on how many stories it will be?
Don't forget the biggest part of this museum will be underground. The part above ground is basically only going to be the entrance area and some candy exhibits. The real museum will be underground.

Here's one of the renders of the pavillion. Looks like it'll be 3 floors. I wish it were a larger pic. But it's the best one I can find.

http://curbednetwork.com/cache/gallery/3107/2842771191_ed68d5ef83_o.jpg

theres a larger one at the website
http://www.national911memorial.org/site/PageServer?pagename=New_Home

^^ thx for posting the link, one interesting thing i read on this side is that the memorial was supposed and proposed to be in the hudson river, the architect wanted to create 2 voids in the middle of the hudson river: Heres is a text passage from the site

"At first, the memorial voids weren’t even supposed to be on land. Instead, they were to be giant, square inlets set out on the Hudson River, as if twin ghosts had been carved from the surface of the water." Copyright of the text passage by: http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/02/11/twin-voids-seven-years-in-the-making/

I think this is a very interesting detail we hadn't heard around here. Wow what a deep thinking architect and what a brilliant idea. I hope i didn't get too off topic,l since the memorial is very related to this tower.

No I'm sure you'll get chow out lol. Because the thread says freedom tower, not memorial and Freedom tower. I don't like the idea of a memorial thats on the hudson. One because its dumb as hell, thats not where the were. Second what the hell is up with all the talks of the twins ghost. Building don't have ghost. And by saying they do is saying NYC is being haunted by them.

...the memorial was supposed and proposed to be in the Hudson river, the architect wanted to create 2 voids in the middle of the Hudson river: In case anyone gets the wrong idea about the Hudson River "voids", they were just an idea of the designer in 2002 before he entered the Memorial competition. His submitted entry had the voids in Ground Zero. From the link (http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/02/11/twin-voids-seven-years-in-the-making/): "But within the sunken memorial pools, he retained the idea of a hollow in the water’s surface."

Looks like they are pouring some concrete on the east side of the core. Can't tell though exactly where the buckets are pouring.

pouring on the northeast

http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/8038/pourfd9.png

A night view of Freedom Tower from EarthCam today:
http://i368.photobucket.com/albums/oo124/chris-the-007/No2/WTC1nightview.jpg

I'm glad it's finally rising:)

I think the real progress on the Freedom Tower is on track to rise now!

They were pouring two shear walls. The big one that parallels the east-west pedestrian connector and the one that runs along the steel columns just east of the core.

yesterday by lakegz, SSP:

http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2341/49/115/2512086/n2512086_45139575_706.jpg

looking down on the north core
http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2341/49/115/2512086/n2512086_45139572_333.jpg

http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2341/49/115/2512086/n2512086_45139567_9586.jpg

great up date....its nice to see that New York will have tower more then 500m height...

..Still slow for me..:(

From earthcam their is new steel being prepared to be added to the south core. These pieces will probably surround the north and south side of the south core's crane.

You're totally right. More steel will be erected very soon, it seems.




Edit: They are erecting the new steel right now.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3467/3301519098_ccf59f281f_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3405/3300688115_abaa84912f_b.jpg

Good to see it grow. :)

i am pateintly waiting for the day once this tower will make an impact on the skyline. Good to see that they are making progress.....

Some pics taken today on Sunday 2/22/09:

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r48/Athinaios/NYC2069.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r48/Athinaios/NYC2083.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r48/Athinaios/NYC2090-1-1.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r48/Athinaios/NYC2094-1.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r48/Athinaios/NYC2099.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r48/Athinaios/NYC2100.jpg

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r48/Athinaios/NYC2107-1.jpg

IMO it`s a huge progress when I was here last time on 9/11 last year. And what I've noticed today - they work on Sundays also, I was inside the Winter Garden and at about 6PM and they were still working, but on the street, not on FT.

massive progress i saw in that picture...

hmm looks like they gonna start pouring Fulton Street today, at least that what it's looks like :)

And the steel part of the core ^^ is still growing up... compare today pics with February 21 ones.

hmm looks like they gonna start pouring Fulton Street today, at least that what it's looks like :)

Fulton Street will probably be one of the LAST parts to be poured, probably in the summer of 2013 after all of the "heavy" construction for the Freedom Tower is completed. Otherwise the tractors and other heavy machinery that has to pass through there on a daily basis would chew up the road in a matter of hours (plus there's no need to build the actual road until the Freedom Tower is completed anyway). This is what happened with Greenwich street outside the front of WTC7... it was a dirt path until November 2005, just 6 months before the building opened in May 2006.

By the way, does anyone know what will exist above the east-west corridor and below Fulton Street itself? There seems to be about a 10-15 foot vertical space in between. Will this be mechanical, or maybe just dirt for the tree roots?

6 stories above ground isn't it?

Fulton Street will probably be one of the LAST parts to be poured, probably in the summer of 2013 after all of the "heavy" construction for the Freedom Tower is completed. Otherwise the tractors and other heavy machinery that has to pass through there on a daily basis would chew up the road in a matter of hours (plus there's no need to build the actual road until the Freedom Tower is completed anyway). This is what happened with Greenwich street outside the front of WTC7... it was a dirt path until November 2005, just 6 months before the building opened in May 2006.

By the way, does anyone know what will exist above the east-west corridor and below Fulton Street itself? There seems to be about a 10-15 foot vertical space in between. Will this be mechanical, or maybe just dirt for the tree roots?

Q1 2009: Begin Fulton Street Deck

http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/milestones.html

P.S: hmm well concrete pump truck showed up and left 3 hours later, no concrete was pumped. oh well

6 stories above ground isn't it?

exactly.

Excellent process! I have a question... I saw few pictures that shows one or two columns (corners) didn't have any supports below it. Can anyone please explain that?

Yeah, I'm curious what's going on with that steel. Those steel columns look very skinny to be supporting this tower, but maybe if they're going into the concrete core with lots of rebar it makes more sense. The floater columns on the end are very unusual.

Could it be that they're part of the slip form/crane jacking system, not the building's structure? Guess we'll have to see more progress to understand what's happening here since I'm sure the blueprints are closely guarded secrets.

In any event, I'm glad to see upward progress accelerating.

Excellent process! I have a question... I saw few pictures that shows one or two columns (corners) didn't have any supports below it. Can anyone please explain that?

From EarthCam:
http://i368.photobucket.com/albums/oo124/chris-the-007/No2/WTC.jpg
dark red line is one of the columns, white line its the north core. Probably those columns "waiting" the core to reach the same level, to continue rising the tower.

Q1 2009: Begin Fulton Street Deck

http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/milestones.html

P.S: hmm well concrete pump truck showed up and left 3 hours later, no concrete was pumped. oh well

The decking described in the report was the steel decking over the arches already completed. The decking is different than the actual road.

so why wasnt the north core built at the same time so the steel could be erected correctly on top ?

so why wasnt the north core built at the same time so the steel could be erected correctly on top ?

The north core has to wait because of the PATH lines running beneath it.

Yeah, I'm curious what's going on with that steel. Those steel columns look very skinny to be supporting this tower, but maybe if they're going into the concrete core with lots of rebar it makes more sense. The floater columns on the end are very unusual.

Could it be that they're part of the slip form/crane jacking system, not the building's structure? Guess we'll have to see more progress to understand what's happening here since I'm sure the blueprints are closely guarded secrets.

In any event, I'm glad to see upward progress accelerating.

It's been explained on here several times, and we even have at least one forum member with a set of blueprints. ZenSteelDude is very helpful.

Looks like they raised the core forms on the north core today for the first time in...well a while put it that way :).

they raised north core just after 5pm, I cant breath :cheers1::nocrook:

From EarthCam:
http://i368.photobucket.com/albums/oo124/chris-the-007/No2/WTC.jpg
dark red line is one of the columns, white line its the north core. Probably those columns "waiting" the core to reach the same level, to continue rising the tower.

Thanks for the explanation. That is very interesting that they installed it anyway when the north core didn't rise first to support the column.

If they waited for the north core then that just would have been another two weeks of erecting steel that they could have gotten out of the way earlier.

If they waited for the north core then that just would have been another two weeks of erecting steel that they could have gotten out of the way earlier.

They cant add anymore steel for now( for 10th time in a row). In order to add any more steel they have to jump cranes up. In a order to do that, they have to have concrete base/core. There has been a big discussion about how this cranes work.

this is back to dec 14 discussion:

http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/8761/craneme5.jpg

Okay, I am no expert either but it seems to me that no way is the steel work seen so far hefty enough to support a 500m high building.

For example, compare it with the structural steel going up for the Heron Tower in London, which is half the height of Freedom! The Heron's beams seem to be twice the size in thickness and density.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/28418222@N02/archives/date-taken/2009/02/23/

Perhaps, as suggested it is a form of reinforcing for the concrete core and once it reaches its planned height, more susbtantial supporting steelwork will then start being used.

However, I am happy to admit that I could be completely wrong and would appreciate being corrected by an expert. :)

Clearly, the steel is so weak like that so that it can be knocked over easily and a bunch of elite jews and fat cats can get support and money and advance their plans for world domination; any other theory is just plain piffle.

Okay, I am no expert either but it seems to me that no way is the steel work seen so far hefty enough to support a 500m high building.

For example, compare it with the structural steel going up for the Heron Tower in London, which is half the height of Freedom! The Heron's beams seem to be twice the size in thickness and density.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/28418222@N02/archives/date-taken/2009/02/23/

Perhaps, as suggested it is a form of reinforcing for the concrete core and once it reaches its planned height, more susbtantial supporting steelwork will then start being used.

However, I am happy to admit that I could be completely wrong and would appreciate being corrected by an expert. :)

Come on man, read the thread. It's been said a thousand times that the steel will be encased in concrete.

It's been explained on here several times, and we even have at least one forum member with a set of blueprints. ZenSteelDude is very helpful.

Thanks. As if I have time to look through 154 pages for that. :nuts:

How 'bout you try not to be so condescending next time...

Cut out the moaning and whining and it's only 14 pages.:lol:

They cant add anymore steel for now( for 10th time in a row). In order to add any more steel they have to jump cranes up. In a order to do that, they have to have concrete base/core. There has been a big discussion about how this cranes work.

this is back to dec 14 discussion:

http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/8761/craneme5.jpg

I was trying to explain why the steel that's been put up was done so without waiting on the north core.

But that's okay, instead of reading the post I was responding to and understanding the context, you can go ahead and continue to get worked up over nothing.

Cut out the moaning and whining and it's only 14 pages.:lol:

I guess if you changed your settings. I could restate that I'm not combing through 7665 replies to find the info he refers to.

Seems to me its Meh_CD doing the moaning and whining about those of us who asked the question (I noticed I wasn't the only one in the last 2 pages).

Okay, I am no expert either but it seems to me that no way is the steel work seen so far hefty enough to support a 500m high building.That's just the concrete core. The building's footprint will be much larger:
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/6955/freedomtowerexteriorout.jpg

They could probably build the tower without using this steel if they wanted. But it will give the core more tensile strength, which is important during hurricanes, earthquakes and collisions, and since the floors will be attached to the steel frame instead of just being bolted to the concrete, it will distribute the load of something hitting the tower over a much larger core area and make the core a lot more resistant to damage from direct impacts to it. At least, if the steel frames go all the way up the core, which I can't swear to. Bet ZenSteelDude knows though.

so relived to see north core risen. Looks like the south core's crane is choking, it has to jump sometime soon.

^^^^

Yes!!! We lift off!!!!!

:banana: :banana: :banana:


:cheers:

I guess if you changed your settings. I could restate that I'm not combing through 7665 replies to find the info he refers to.

Seems to me its Meh_CD doing the moaning and whining about those of us who asked the question (I noticed I wasn't the only one in the last 2 pages).

Try the search function. And just to prove my point I tried the search function and the answer to your question was the second result and it was only a whopping four pages back from your original post.

Yes! Now it's moving along faster! Can't wait to see what it looks like at the end of the year!

so relived to see north core risen.

4 floors more and the north core has the same level as the south

Gendo, here is the information you seek. The columns hanging in space are waiting for the north half of the core to catch up.


One of the reasons for the erecting steel is to give the floor beams something to bolt too,(notice all the shear tabs for floor beams) this speeds construction because the steel erection doesn't need to wait for the core cement (to a point, there is a height limit before it's encased in concrete). The beams also act as headers above core wall openings.
Below is a plan view of the floor framing, it's not of any particular floor.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/35124796@N04/3256947180/in/photostream/

Everything below the second floor except the perimeter columns is cast concrete, there's no need to bolt floor beams to the core because there are none.


Nomadd22, concrete is much stronger than steel under compression. Steel is much stronger than concrete under tension. If not for the above stated purposes the erecting steel would just take up room that could be filled with cement and re-bar.


Geez, I go on vacation for a few days and the place goes to hell.

As others have stated I have a full set of prints for Tower One and am happy to answer any questions as long as they do not involve classified information.

I'm in the city right now no camera so no pics. I don't think I'll be visiting ground zero anytme soon I'll have to really think it over

4 floors more and the north core has the same level as the south

sounds like such a short amount of time, but...

It looks like they're starting on the last final piece of the South Tower pool today (the northwest corner) not over the PATH tracks. This is really puzzling... They still have the entire east half of the pool (the part over the PATH tracks) to complete. I understand they can only work on this half when the PATH trains are shut down, but if they continue to build up the other half of the pool, how are they eventually going to reach the east side??? Won't it put the red crawler crane too far out of reach?

Anyone know how they will install the steel over the PATH tracks? And, also, WHEN will the steel over the tracks be installed?

It looks like they're starting on the last final piece of the South Tower pool today (the northwest corner) not over the PATH tracks. This is really puzzling... They still have the entire east half of the pool (the part over the PATH tracks) to complete. I understand they can only work on this half when the PATH trains are shut down, but if they continue to build up the other half of the pool, how are they eventually going to reach the east side??? Won't it put the red crawler crane too far out of reach?

Anyone know how they will install the steel over the PATH tracks? And, also, WHEN will the steel over the tracks be installed?

they just install another crane on other side ( or move current one after his done with his job) This also why PATH train will be shut down in summer months ( weekend only)

they just install another crane on other side ( or move current one after his done with his job) This also why PATH train will be shut down in summer months ( weekend only)

Thanks, that makes sense. So they won't start installing the steel over the PATH tracks until summer? I'd like to see the steel for the majority of the memorial in place by the next anniversary, and it certainly looks like they'll be able to achieve that. It'll be so nice to see the outlines of the two towers and literally half of the site in place (at least structurally)... plus it should silence those who complain that nothing has been built once and for all.

try #2: looks like they finally start pumping concrete to fulton st again( at least concrete trucks this time are there ) :)

which one is fulton street?

which one is fulton street?

south side of a freedom tower

That's just the concrete core. The building's footprint will be much larger:
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/6955/freedomtowerexteriorout.jpg

Cheers Adam-Albany

That's cleared that up for me...I must admit that I did go back through the thread trying to work it out but there's like 150 plus pages....!!!

Thanks again.

A few shots from valentine's day.

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l18/andyandsuesellstuff/P2140112.jpg
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l18/andyandsuesellstuff/P2140113.jpg
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l18/andyandsuesellstuff/P2140114.jpg
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l18/andyandsuesellstuff/P2140115.jpg
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l18/andyandsuesellstuff/P2140116.jpg
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l18/andyandsuesellstuff/P2140121.jpg
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l18/andyandsuesellstuff/P2140123.jpg
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l18/andyandsuesellstuff/P2140124.jpg

- A

From two days ago..
http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww310/nYkind17/100_0365.jpg?t=1235753962

rebuildgroundzero

CAM up and running after 5 day hiatus


http://www.rebuildgroundzero.org/modules/mod_webcam_pop_up.php?refresh=60&altText=Groud+Zero+Webcam+-+Rebuild+Ground+Zero+.org&camImgY=768&camImgX=960&imageurl=http://rebuildgroundzero.org/webcam/rgz_000.jpg



Fulton street deck continues to be a stepped up work in progress

It is likely we will see tower cranes installed soon at the T4 site. Thanks to the RGB cam

did they pour the north core again already?

did they pour the north core again already?

no but its was raised up couple days ago

The T4 tower crane is supposed to be installed tomorrow.
Great progress on the Freedom Tower; it will be a monster by the end of the year.

Cheers Adam-Albany

That's cleared that up for me...I must admit that I did go back through the thread trying to work it out but there's like 150 plus pages....!!!

Thanks again.Happy to be of service:)rebuildgroundzero

CAM up and running after 5 day hiatusGreat news, thanks for posting!

I hate to be the Bearer of bad news but the webcam is not up and running in http://www.rebuildgroundzero.org/ if you look at the time stamp it is stuck at 2/18/2009 at 2:09 pm. Sorry.

Lance

I hate to be the Bearer of bad news but the webcam is not up and running in http://www.rebuildgroundzero.org/ if you look at the time stamp it is stuck at 2/18/2009 at 2:09 pm. Sorry.

Lance

This one is: http://rebuildgroundzero.org/webcam/rgz_000.jpg

I like the photo of the "port-o-potties" : "Mr. John"!!!! LOL:lol:

^^ Yeah that's pretty funny.

Great progress on the Freedom Tower; it will be a monster by the end of the year.

Sorry but that would have really been great by the end of 2006.

Come on damn it, speed up ... if you are already $250 million over budged at street level, imagine 1776 feets later :rant:

^^ WTF? The delays already cost them 250 million bucks?

I dunno what's he's talking about. And if the delay did cost them, from 2003 or whenever the first master plan was approved and funded, it's more like closer to a billion dollars due to everything that has happened since then. I dunno, if people are still complaning, maybe they could become a part of the project, override the current schdeule which is on schedule, and make it go up faster so that we can have a tower of poor quality.

Of course they are on schedule, when you keep changing the schedule everytime you fall behind it's easy to stay on it! Now if you compare more things are now to the original schedule you'd see the building is significantly behind schedule. I'm not taking either side in the is going too slow argument but I do know that it's nowhere near on schedule per the original plan.:ohno:

Yeah it's been going slow, but it's totally amazing. I can't wait till they complete it:

http://archrecord.construction.com/news/images/030917wtcold.jpg

^^ Ebola since you live in NYC and read and follow this thread constantly, it is totally obscure to me why you have posted a that old render of Libeskind's original masterplan. It will NEVER look like this!

I hate to be the Bearer of bad news but the webcam is not up and running in http://www.rebuildgroundzero.org/ if you look at the time stamp it is stuck at 2/18/2009 at 2:09 pm. Sorry.

Lance

both cameras kaput for now sigh :nuts:

^^ Ebola since you live in NYC and read and follow this thread constantly, it is totally obscure to me why you have posted a that old render of Libeskind's original masterplan. It will NEVER look like this!

he's just playing off of the other people who complain about schedule changing... as if the design hasn't changed a million times.

Well, technically they are $250 million over budget, as AltinD said, since the government gave them a subsidy of that amount that was not in the original budget.

I don't care if it's behind, ground breaking didn't start till 2006. Why do people keep saying it should of been finish. Look how short the first design was, If they would have built that hot trash it would be finish. I'm just going to watch the progress and hope its done before I'm 30 five years to go.

... as if the design hasn't changed a million times. and kept getting worse each change!

^^ Well see for yourself, I think it got better in the end.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2006/01/03/opinion/20051230_oped_TOWERS.gif

I can really see the natural selection taking place over the years there.

I can really see the natural selection taking place over the years there.
You are sure correct in that statement. The natural selection process got rid of a architecturally interesting dramatic design in favor of a politically influenced box with a spike on top! I don't see how anyone can say that the final design is more striking than any of the other proposals. It may be more secure but it's certainly not more beautiful. :ohno:

I still like the original design... I hope someday the original design will get built somewhere in New York City.

You are sure correct in that statement. The natural selection process got rid of a architecturally interesting dramatic design in favor of a politically influenced box with a spike on top! I don't see how anyone can say that the final design is more striking than any of the other proposals. It may be more secure but it's certainly not more beautiful. :ohno:"Striking" in and of itself is not necessarily a good thing. The earlier designs were more dramatic, but they were an absolute disaster in terms of fitting into the cityscape. I think the current design is far more graceful and beautiful. It also has the added advantage of visually referencing the original towers, while the unique opposing triangles adds a new visual element. Not to mention the other towers at the WTC are much more interesting in the current design than they were in the original design.

I still like the original design... I hope someday the original design will get built somewhere in New York City.

When that happen I'll be sure to boycott, Now I wouldn't mind seeing a building similar to the original twin tower built somewhere else in NYC

the first design was fucking hideous, and most will agree.

"Striking" in and of itself is not necessarily a good thing. The earlier designs were more dramatic, but they were an absolute disaster in terms of fitting into the cityscape. I think the current design is far more graceful and beautiful. It also has the added advantage of visually referencing the original towers, while the unique opposing triangles adds a new visual element. Not to mention the other towers at the WTC are much more interesting in the current design than they were in the original design.
One of the major goals of any building, especially a supertall is to be recognized for its designed. And the normal means of doing this is through innovative design. The building that is being built now will only be recognized because of its history and name, not because of its design. Similar designs (fortunately without the spike on top) can be found elsewhere so the building itself is definitely nothing special.

I'm all for innovation in design, but the original FT was innovative for innovation's sake, and it was god-awful

I was schooled in the Frank Lloyd Wright way of thinking in that form follows function. The function of Tower One is that of an office building and I think the final design reflects that. The early designs were just a bunch of junk stuck on top of a too-short office building. Also notice that the final design places the observation deck and restaurant far higher up than the early designs.

Designs #3 and #4 were hideous, the huge amount of wasted space is just unconscionable. The final design isn't too bad, I actually think it is better than #1. But #2 was the best imo, however the spire is just a little bit too tall. Seems like the politicians wanted the most interior space to be developed, and the final design provided them with what they wanted. Better than a plain box, but they still could have went much better.

I just read an article about how the Freedom Tower will have the fastest elevators on this side of the world.

Anyway, I sent a message to the PANYNJ because I was concerned about Towers 2 and 3. They answered me:

"Please be assured that the entire WTC site as designed within the Master Plan created by Daniel Libeskind will be realized. Not building towers 2 and 3 is not an option."

But I had to lol because it's hardly Dan's master plan anymore.

I just read an article about how the Freedom Tower will have the fastest elevators on this side of the world.

Anyway, I sent a message to the PANYNJ because I was concerned about Towers 2 and 3. They answered me:

"Please be assured that the entire WTC site as designed within the Master Plan created by Daniel Libeskind will be realized. Not building towers 2 and 3 is not an option."

But I had to lol because it's hardly Dan's master plan anymore.

haha you're right. I always here architects saying "we incorporated elements of the original design into the current design." I'm like "BITCH WHAT ELEMENTS I DON'T SEE ANYTHING"

unless I see official word from Dan, this "not building" tower 2 and 3 are bunch of BS. :nono: The whole site is more than just bunch of buildings!!!

although both cameras still down I can assure people don't miss much because of snow storm in the area. ( I'll get piece of it too :lol:)

^^ It's still annoying that the cameras are down.

some cameras are still up

http://www.earthcam.com/usa/newyork/groundzero/

our main earthcam is working again :)...lots of snow on the site now :)

I was schooled in the Frank Lloyd Wright way of thinking in that form follows function. The function of Tower One is that of an office building and I think the final design reflects that. The early designs were just a bunch of junk stuck on top of a too-short office building. Also notice that the final design places the observation deck and restaurant far higher up than the early designs.

Very well said Zen. I think some people are concerned that the final design is too conservative, and the overall appearance might be banal ... just not "innovative" enough or lacking "oomph". I disagree with such a view, there is something to be said for classic simplicity.

I really do believe that a lot of the "glitzy" skyscrapers being built right now in places like Las Vegas, Dubai, and Panama City are going to look extremely tacky 15 or 20 years from now.

our main earthcam is working again :)...lots of snow on the site now :)
Lots of snow and really cold (21 F) from EarthCam:
http://i368.photobucket.com/albums/oo124/chris-the-007/No2/WTC-1.jpg

Very well said Zen. I think some people are concerned that the final design is too conservative, and the overall appearance might be banal ... just not "innovative" enough or lacking "oomph". I disagree with such a view, there is something to be said for classic simplicity.

I really do believe that a lot of the "glitzy" skyscrapers being built right now in places like Las Vegas, Dubai, and Panama City are going to look extremely tacky 15 or 20 years from now.

Agreed. The original Twin Towers were beautiful because of their simplicity. But, if you did like the design of the original Freedom Tower, then you at least have Tower 3 to look forward to, which I think carries on a bit of the original Freedom Tower design with columns at all sorts of weird angles.

http://www.silversteinproperties.com/uploads/images/properties-headers/64b02a1c-9ad8-4a4b-8a2e-f41bb458d8b6_175greenwich.jpg

I was out of town well I was back in brooklyn so it really wasn't out of town. I'm a little behind are they talking abot no building towers 2 and 3?

I was out of town well I was back in brooklyn so it really wasn't out of town. I'm a little behind are they talking abot no building towers 2 and 3?

It is being said on wirednewyork.com forums from some people in the know, that financing for 2 and 3 is going to be tough for Silverstein. The below grade work will definetly move forward because they are integral for the PATH stations. But hopefully everything will work itself out financing wise in 12-18 months.

It's almost funny how this project has turned into such a mess. For a project that was meant to show America's resilience, all these delays and financing troubles and now the potential threat of not even the entire planned complex to be completed is nothing more than a sheer embarrassment not only for NY but the entire country. Other nations can build entire cities in 10 years we cant even build 4 towers it's just pathetic.

^Ignorance incarnate.

He's right, though. This entire project should have been finished 2 years ago.

Hmmm no ground breaking took place in 2006. Look at the pictures from 2004. They didn't even start digging till two years later. And Silvertain has his money in order. PA payed him for everyday they were late. I'm Sure Obama would bail him out if he need it. And the city knows rebuilding the WTC is number one on the list of things to do. Give him a break two of the four buildings are being built and the other are soon to come. And from what I can tell people just started saying the other building were dead. When they couldn't bitch about the speed of the FT.

It's almost funny how this project has turned into such a mess. For a project that was meant to show America's resilience, all these delays and financing troubles and now the potential threat of not even the entire planned complex to be completed is nothing more than a sheer embarrassment not only for NY but the entire country. Other nations can build entire cities in 10 years we cant even build 4 towers it's just pathetic.

hows it pathetic??
you're trying to build one of the tallest buildings in the world in the most congested section of the world. the original WTC toke much longer to build than this. the speed may not be to our liking but it will be finished when its finished.

^^ Furthermore the site is a mass memorial for thousands who are essentially buried there. Such a sensitive site deserves delicate and deliberate handling out of respect.

Yeah there no one buried there. They dug everything up and moved it. Now it's hard for something to stay buried, when you got earth mover digging everything up around you.
If they didn't dig it all up I might have to agree with you just a little.

They need to adjust earthcam a little, move it down a bit :)

Yeah there no one buried there. They dug everything up and moved it. Now it's hard for something to stay buried, when you got earth mover digging everything up around you.
If they didn't dig it all up I might have to agree with you just a little.

I think he meant it was a symbolic burial place since many of the victims have yet to be identified. It's better than imagining your loved one's burial place is Fresh Kills Landfill.

Fresh Kills is being converted into a massive park and I think where will be a 9/11 memorial there too.

I think he meant it was a symbolic burial place since many of the victims have yet to be identified. It's better than imagining your loved one's burial place is Fresh Kills Landfill.

Its funny how you say love ones buried in fresh kills because I do have some family buried there long story. I don't have a problem with a memorial at fresh kills park.

Fresh Kills is being converted into a massive park and I think where will be a 9/11 memorial there too.

I know. It's still a landfill for the time being, though.

Sorry to hear about your family members, king.

Agreed. The original Twin Towers were beautiful because of their simplicity. But, if you did like the design of the original Freedom Tower, then you at least have Tower 3 to look forward to, which I think carries on a bit of the original Freedom Tower design with columns at all sorts of weird angles.

http://www.silversteinproperties.com/uploads/images/properties-headers/64b02a1c-9ad8-4a4b-8a2e-f41bb458d8b6_175greenwich.jpg

This does not have 'columns at all sorts of weird angles', it is called structural expressionism and they are perfectly ordered. It's a classic piece Rogers design. This and tower 2 make the whole scheme, they're fantastic and put the Freedom Tower itself to shame (apart from in terms of overall height).. I really hope these new rumours are just that and no more?

I know. It's still a landfill for the time being, though.

Sorry to hear about your family members, king.

Oh that happen in my family when I was a little guy So I didn't get to know them.

Seems they're pouring the B2 level at Freedom Tower now. I count six concrete trucks on site.

Seems they're pouring the B2 level at Freedom Tower now. I count six concrete trucks on site.

They're still pouring late into the night. A couple of the east side perimeter steel beams are barely visible now. Also pouring in the north core as well.

They're still pouring late into the night. A couple of the east side perimeter steel beams are barely visible now. Also pouring in the north core as well.

how can you tell?

^^ Furthermore the site is a mass memorial for thousands who are essentially buried there. Such a sensitive site deserves delicate and deliberate handling out of respect.

It's sensitive no doubt, but that isn't the reason it's taken so long. The complex has been delayed for financial reasons, contract reasons, the Port Authority's laziness, union garbage among others. I understand it is a sensitive site, I watched the towers fall outside of my bedroom window, but these delays and setbacks are so contradictory to the entire attitude the rebuilding was supposed to portray. And the building one of the world's tallest skyscrapers is no excuse. Many a supertall have risen much faster and much smoother than this one has.

Ignorance Incarnate my ass, it's ridiculous and damn shameful all the bullshit problems that have delayed and plagued this complex.

^^ Very good point, the building was supposed to show america's defiance after the attacks and portray our strength. Instead it seems to be demonstrating everything that's wrong with America, politics, unions, corruption and just general bickering.

So, when will you guys be boarding the rocket ship to Planet Perfect?

how can you tell?

My mistake, I mistook where the concrete line was ending. They were pouring the parking ramp floors to the right of the tower. But the north core still looks as if it's grown another floor. Almost at street level.

From tonight, courtesy of earthcam.com.

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/7501/megapixelcamera20090305.jpg

Yeah there no one buried there. They dug everything up and moved it. Now it's hard for something to stay buried, when you got earth mover digging everything up around you.
If they didn't dig it all up I might have to agree with you just a little.

There are always going to be bits and pieces of human remains in that soil - It was pretty recent the some construction workers found some bone fragments while working on the site.. I expect this site will be full of ghosts (lost souls). There was a journalist who claims to have photographed a ghost in the early days just after the collapse - He was underground in the subway station, and he took a pic (which I saw) that captured a giant orb - Then the jorunalist found out 2 months later, that there was a dead woman who fell onto the tracks in all the chaos that ensued after the collapsed, and she was smothered to death.

All of the debris and twisted wreckage that was removed from the site, is sitting in a dedicated landfill, and it has been said that it will take YEARS to go through the pile of remains, finding remains of people...

These may not be the biggest and tallest towers in the world, but there is more significant meaning behind the construction of this then just about anything else in the world right now. Its going to be a huge thing, when groundbreaking time comes! Hopefully I will be there... :banana:

kingsc - sorry to hear about your loss!

There are always going to be bits and pieces of human remains in that soil - It was pretty recent the some construction workers found some bone fragments while working on the site.. I expect this site will be full of ghosts (lost souls). There was a journalist who claims to have photographed a ghost in the early days just after the collapse - He was underground in the subway station, and he took a pic (which I saw) that captured a giant orb - Then the jorunalist found out 2 months later, that there was a dead woman who fell onto the tracks in all the chaos that ensued after the collapsed, and she was smothered to death.

All of the debris and twisted wreckage that was removed from the site, is sitting in a dedicated landfill, and it has been said that it will take YEARS to go through the pile of remains, finding remains of people...

These may not be the biggest and tallest towers in the world, but there is more significant meaning behind the construction of this then just about anything else in the world right now. Its going to be a huge thing, when groundbreaking time comes! Hopefully I will be there... :banana:

kingsc - sorry to hear about your loss!

LOL don't start with that fucking ghost shit again, please :ohno: