Even If the taliban fly the Starship Enterprise into the completed stucture its not going to collapse...

Even If the taliban fly the Starship Enterprise into the completed stucture its not going to collapse...

Only if they stick to the plan, but i have the feeling, they wont do that, like in the old towers...


BTW: Great to see the formworks of north and southcore on the same level!!! Now it wont take long, until the steel structure of the north core goes up! Maybe this will happen within the next month.

when will the FT be completed?

Paterson to Negotiate Personally With Silverstein
By Charles V. Bagli
July 20, 2009

Gov. David A. Paterson announced on Monday afternoon that he would negotiate personally with Larry A. Silverstein, the developer, in an attempt to resolve the long-running deadlock at ground zero over the construction of office towers on the 16-acre site.

Although his administration had been involved in prior unsuccessful efforts to resolve the dispute, Mr. Paterson said he had been distracted until now by the battling in the State Senate between Democrats and Republicans. He said he met with Mr. Silverstein on Monday morning and they agreed to continue discussions about a possible settlement, postponing, at least for now, binding arbitration.

Mr. Silverstein has insisted that the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey finance two of the three office towers he is to build along Church Street. But both the governor and the authority have been reluctant to finance more speculative office space at a time when rents are declining and tenants are scarce.

The governor said that he could not say that two sides were “any closer” today, but he and Mr. Silverstein agreed that binding arbitration was “an unlimited waste of time” in which both sides would be at each other’s throats.

Mr. Paterson said that Mr. Silverstein had taken on little financial risk while adopting a “build it and they will come” approach to development, which had proven wrong in the past.

Mr. Silverstein issued a statement saying he looked forward “to continuing these discussions.”

Stephen Sigmund, spokesman for the Port Authority, said: “We appreciate Governor Paterson’s leadership and agree with his principled position on protecting public resources. In the meantime, the Port Authority will continue to make daily and visible progress on the Memorial, One World Trade Center, the Transportation Hub and the other public infrastructure.”
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/20/paterson-silverstein-to-negotiate-personally/

Only if they stick to the plan, but i have the feeling, they wont do that, like in the old towers...


BTW: Great to see the formworks of north and southcore on the same level!!! Now it wont take long, until the steel structure of the north core goes up! Maybe this will happen within the next month.

They have to stick to the plan, the contracts are signed. The Twin Towers fell victim to the asbestos problem !

It's called Erecting Steel, and there is but One Core!!! Although it apears to be two halfs.


(yea, I was a bit rude)

They have to stick to the plan, the contracts are signed. The Twin Towers fell victim to the asbestos problem !

It's called ERECTING STEEL, and there is but ONE CORE!!! Although it apears to be two halfs.Do you have any personal problem with me, or what is the reason for correcting me like this? I am calling it north and south core like anybody else in this thread, so why do you complain about it?

And sorry about not knowing the word erecting steel, because i wasnt born in your god damn country... :ohno:

Doesn't matter where you were born, just read the forum. No, I have nothing against you as a person. Was I a bit harsh ? I didn't intend to be.

There is but one core to this building, it just happens to be built in halves.

My wife is half German, her family are from Bremerhaven (north of Bremen, on the coast)

I am reading this forum for years, but I post very rarely. I know all that things. You have to remember that capital letters still mean that you are screaming in the net.

I think everyone knows the building has one core when using north core/south core. The only reason we use those terms is because of how its being built. Hopefully in a month or so we won't have to use the terms north and south anymore because both will be on the same level.

OK, so I'm tryna get this straight. The FT is being built with 2 cores. South & North. Did the original Towers built with 2 cores or only 1? Also is the FT cores gonna be built around concrete all the way up or just steal? Something like this:
http://i452.photobucket.com/albums/qq241/taker888/IMG_0915.jpg

I think from looking at old pictures the original Towers weren't built with a concrete core just steal. Something like this: http://i452.photobucket.com/albums/qq241/taker888/wtcConstructionLarge.jpg

IDK, I'm new to these stuff. Can someone correct me. Thanks!!

It looks like the waterfront is very close to the towers in that old picture! Now it seems like it's much further away!

that's because now there's a whole neighborhood between the waterfront and the wtc ;)

The last photo is World Trade Center during the construction, correct??.

^^
Yes, the orginal North Tower.

It looks like the waterfront is very close to the towers in that old picture! Now it seems like it's much further away!

The World Financial Center was built later, which is the collection of unattractive blocky brown buildings with copper roofs, next door. :(

Thx alot for your info ^^.

^^
Yes, the orginal North Tower.



The World Financial Center was built later, which is the collection of unattractive blocky brown buildings with copper roofs, next door. :(

The WFC towers look great o_O

The WFC towers look great o_O

They do? The whole complex looks like a relic from the 80's, that's about the best thing I can say about it. Personally, I think the WFC is a disaster; I don't know what the architect was thinking. There are palm trees in the atrium, copper roofs, brown cladding. It seems a little silly to me. :lol:

But everyone has their own opinion on it, and I respect yours.

They're by no means masterpieces, but I don't find anything offensive about the designs at all. If anything, they've become and iconic part of lower manhattan's skyline.

That’s what I’m saying, that’s about the best thing you can say about the WFC. I don't think there is any other collection of buildings in the world that looks even close. It’s unique, but the complex did not age well at all. It was built in the spur of the moment.

Ha :) Good one.

WFC was one of the biggest mistakes the city planners have ever made. The beauty and brilliance of the original WTC was it's proximity to the water and the incredible beauty of it's reflection. It made the towers feel as though they were floating on the Hudson....

If they keep filling in the Hudson, eventually New York and New Jersey will be connected. Maybe a nice drive to the Statue of Liberty? Planes can land on solid ground?

I like the highway on the water and the twin towers right next to it. When you visit the site today, there is no sense of being near the water. At least when at ground level.

I think they look just like Canary Wharf in London......not original or unique...

Ha :) Good one.

WFC was one of the biggest mistakes the city planners have ever made. The beauty and brilliance of the original WTC was it's proximity to the water and the incredible beauty of it's reflection. It made the towers feel as though they were floating on the Hudson....

I agree with you, someone lost their top! The WFC is completely irrelevant today as far as modern office space goes. No foreign company is going to want space in that mess. I wouldn't mind if they tore it down one day. Then they could build a proper neighbor to the new WTC.

Now, I'm not saying that the new WTC won't go out of style some day either. But design philosophy has changed from making things "groovy" looking, to "functional".

I think they look just like Canary Wharf in London......not original or unique...

You mean the Canary Wharf looks like WFC?

Indeed, when originally built the WTC was next to the hudson river, however they backfilled that with what was dug up at the WTC site.

As to the merit of the WFC architecture, while not the most impressive it is by far not the worst peice of urban planning in this city. For that, check out anything built by the McSam corporation. Now that is horrid urban planning.

One other thing that struck me about the photo of the old WTC construction is how towering the Verizon building looked back then. Now it's dwarfed by everything around it.

wfc isn't all that, that much we know. I wish the city could start all over again and make the buildings at less 900 feet. The design could be hell of better. 1WTC should look pretty good behind them tho.

I think they look just like Canary Wharf in London......not original or unique...

Maybe because they were designed by the same architect - Cesar Pelli !!

From the New Jersey side the WFC was just some junk that got in the way of our view of the Twin Towers. It did kind of grow on me though, the copper roofs were a bonus.

They're by no means masterpieces, but I don't find anything offensive about the designs at all. If anything, they've become and iconic part of lower manhattan's skyline.

The exact same thing could have been said about the twin towers.

I was stationed on Governor's Island in 80/81. I used to walk on that abandoned elevated highway in the early days. It was so corroded you could break off 1" pieces of steel with your hands. Got to watch the WFC rise.
The fact that a building doesn't pander to your desires isn't a very objective reason to call it ugly. Failing to see what someone else finds attractive isn't the other person's loss or the building's loss. It's your loss.

The fact that a building doesn't pander to your desires isn't a very objective reason to call it ugly. Failing to see what someone else finds attractive isn't the other person's loss or the building's loss. It's your loss.

If we are taking that approach to life all the time, we're getting no where sir. Anything goes is not going to float. This is New York City we're talking about here. The financial hub of New York City! This is no times for silly designs. You really think major foreign companies would want to buy space in that today? This is supposed to be the “WORLD FINANCIAL CENTER”.

Also, they are doing the second half of the plaza pour today. Camera 2.

http://www.earthcam.com/usa/newyork/groundzero/

glad to see that 1 WTC is coming along. when are you guys expecting it to take shape? this year already?

The construction will probably begin to resemble a skyscraper later this year. =)

On the evening of 9/11 in Manhattan, the smoke still visible high into the sky, there it was. The World financial towers, scared and wounded but still standing. The may not be the favourite to all of us and may not stand the test of time in the fashion stakes, but they did give a glimer of hope that we can repair and rebuild.

sorry, will go back on subject now :cheers:

the WFC withstood the attacks because they were 600 feet shorter
than the twin towers. nothing poetic about that. dope.

I just had no idea that people hated the WFC design. It's really not bad at all.

the WFC withstood the attacks because they were 600 feet shorter
than the twin towers. nothing poetic about that. dope.

What I was just saying is that mabe they gave abit of hope. When the World Trade centre fell to the ground, they stood as hope. They terrorists can damage the city but they can't destroy it.

I don't come on this forum to be called a dope, so I hope you retract your comments. That kind of stuff belongs in the playground MATE...

I don't come on this forum to be called a dope, so I hope you retract your comments. That kind of stuff belongs in the playground MATE...
You just made it impossible for him to retract his statement by acting like a dope about it.

and back to a topic................:ohno:



PORT AUTHORITY TO EXPEDITE CONSTRUCTION ON EAST SIDE OF WORLD TRADE CENTER SITE

The Port Authority took two significant actions today to expedite construction on the east side of the World Trade Center site, including work to clear the way for complete turnover of the sites for Towers 2 and 3, ending the Port Authority’s obligation to pay $300,000 a day in liquidated damages to Silverstein Properties. (The Port Authority turned over the site for Tower 4 in March of this year).

First, the agency announced that E.E. Cruz & Co./Nicholson Construction Co. LLC of Holmdel, N.J. will relocate a portion of a wooden retaining wall adjacent to the Tower 3 site, which will allow Silverstein Properties to accept final turnover of all of the sites for its office towers. The retaining wall was built to hold up the No. 1 subway box to allow for uninterrupted service while excavation work progresses beneath it. The work will be completed in the next four to eight weeks.

In addition, the contractor also will build a temporary concrete wall that bisects the Vehicle Security Center site to allow for excavation to begin on the VSC’s foundation while the 130 Liberty Street building is being deconstructed. This construction solution is necessary to mitigate potential delays of the VSC due to the ongoing delays on the abatement and deconstruction of 130 Liberty Street, which is being supervised by the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation. Construction of the wall is scheduled to begin in September, and the wall will be removed by October 2010.

Second, after an intense competitive bidding process, the Port Authority Board of Commissioners authorized an agreement with Tishman/Turner, a joint venture of Turner Construction Company and Tishman Corporation of New York, to provide construction management support services for the World Trade Center Transportation Hub at an estimated cost of $105 million. The firm will replace the services that previously were provided by Phoenix Constructors, which had been the construction manager and general contractor for the Hub project. The agreement came in approximately $10 million below engineering estimates.

In April, the Port Authority modified its contract with Phoenix to allow the agency to bid out all future contracts to take advantage of a highly competitive market. The change was made to ensure that the project remains on budget and on schedule.

Port Authority Chairman Anthony R. Coscia said, “We continue to explore innovative ways to keep all of the site’s projects moving forward and on budget. This construction management agreement carries out this strategy by providing critical support services for the Hub project for the next five years, which will help us meet the schedules and budgets that we’ve set.”

Port Authority Executive Director Chris Ward said, “We are taking aggressive action to end our site turnover obligations to Silverstein Properties. We are also proud to have on board a world-class construction management team in Turner and Tishman to ensure the WTC Hub remains on schedule and on budget.”

http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/press_releasesItem.cfm?headLine_id=1271

What I was just saying is that mabe they gave abit of hope. When the World Trade centre fell to the ground, they stood as hope. They terrorists can damage the city but they can't destroy it.

I don't come on this forum to be called a dope, so I hope you retract your comments. That kind of stuff belongs in the playground MATE...

when you come on here with a loud tag like yours, you certainly expect a reaction. well there you go.

As an example, I'm sure you'd say something to me if my tag said 'Gays are dumb', right? ok then.

anyhow, not wasting anyone's time here.

Back to Skyscrapers :)

Back to Skyscrapers :)

indeed

Back to Skyscrapers :)

totally agree, less text and more pics :cheers:

If we are taking that approach to life all the time, we're getting no where sir. Anything goes is not going to float. This is New York City we're talking about here. The financial hub of New York City! This is no times for silly designs. You really think major foreign companies would want to buy space in that today? This is supposed to be the “WORLD FINANCIAL CENTER”.

Sorry to once again derail this thread but the answer to this is YES. I work for a major foreign company that recently bought space at the WFC 1. The office is easily the best office operated by the company (we have 3) in the city and I love the environment. From the outside, I think it looks ok and simple. While the buildings share the same facade, they all looks distinct and not mundane. It definitely doesn't qualify to be called ugly or an eyesore.

anyways, I took some pics today. They were pouring on the north-east side today

July 24
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/1669/dscn9409.jpg

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/3083/dscn9410.jpg

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/543/dscn9411.jpg

lots of rebar was added yesterday-
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/7776/dscn9413k.jpg

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/4081/dscn9415t.jpg

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/8260/dscn9416.jpg

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/125/dscn9417.jpg

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/5875/dscn9418.jpg

Click on these 2 pics to view large

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/6327/dscn9421.jpg (http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/6327/dscn9421.jpg)

http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/2203/dscn9424.jpg (http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/2203/dscn9424.jpg)

Good going IU :applause:
Nice shots.

Fantastic update there IU ! Looks like they got most of the stirrups in for the grade beams on the plaza level. Some of those beams are huge, like 8 feet high by 4 feet wide and larger. They have to support the plaza level and tree planters, not to mention lateral reactions of the tower columns.

By the way, those silvery grey colored things where the west entrance is going are anchor rods for the cable supported glass wall.

(It's so cool watching the prints become reality)

CAM IS BACK

http://www.earthcam.com/clients/groundzero/groundZero.swf

Clear progress on Vesey Street and other parts.

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/7776/dscn9413k.jpgI dont know if somebody noticed it before, but in the bottem left corner you can see that the perimeter columns are pured in concrete. I wonder if they will continue to do that all the way to the top or if it is just for the basement and/or lobby levels. Anyway, it seems that nothing will be able to tear that building down as fast as the old towers, where they basically used naked steel with less protection.

Thanks for the pics IU!

Just a few quick pictures I took when I passed the site.

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff216/Desparye/046.jpg
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff216/Desparye/049.jpg
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff216/Desparye/050.jpg

Workers in the Barclay Vesey building will lose a great view of the site soon

Sorry to once again derail this thread but the answer to this is YES. I work for a major foreign company that recently bought space at the WFC 1. The office is easily the best office operated by the company (we have 3) in the city and I love the environment. From the outside, I think it looks ok and simple. While the buildings share the same facade, they all looks distinct and not mundane. It definitely doesn't qualify to be called ugly or an eyesore.


First of all, great pictures. :)

Second of all, I never questioned the management. I'm sure it's excellent. It's the building that's not excellent. And maybe there are some companies that care more about the service than the goods, but I'm just pointing out that the WFC is hard to call modern office space today. I wouldn’t call the WFC ugly, it's very unique and offers great views. I would just like to know what the architect was thinking in designing the buildings.

I see the cores are about the same height now. I've been gone for a minute so this is pretty new to me.

It's also neat to finally see one of the memorial pools completely outlined now.

If someone could answer any of these questions, I would be very grateful as I am trying to learn more about the project...

Is the steel being supplied by a local manufacturer?

Is the building designed to withstand the impact of the current largest jet,Airbus A380?

Will there be a Restaurant at the top?

I see the cores are about the same height now. I've been gone for a minute so this is pretty new to me.

Only the formwork is on same level, the latest level on north core is not pured yet.

If someone could answer any of these questions, I would be very grateful as I am trying to learn more about the project...

Is the steel being supplied by a local manufacturer?

Is the building designed to withstand the impact of the current largest jet,Airbus A380?

Will there be a Restaurant at the top?

The steel is being fabricated by a local New York manufacturer, but some of it is also being made in the state of Virginia and New Jersey. The mega columns outlining the tower right now were actually first milled in Luxembourg.

I have no clue about the A380, if one gets to the Freedom Tower then there is a huge security problem.

And yes, there will be a restaurant at the top. Windows on the World, which was in the original North Tower. It will be near the top, we don't know what floors exactly yet. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_on_the_World

Thank you for your help...

The local manufacturer is actually in South Plainfield, New Jersey, a division of the Davis Group. (DCM Erectors is also part of the Davis Group) The W14 x 730 "jumbo beams" were rolled in Luxembourg, shipped to Virginia where the plates were welded on and then shipped to New Jersey for final fabrication.

Designing the tower to withstand the impact from an A-380 would be "Fighting the last war" so to speak, no passengers are going to sit by and wait to die, not after 9/11.
The tower is designed to withstand a hurricane or an earthquake.

When I visited the site yesterday, I saw plenty of cement trucks there. Is there going to be a major pour soon?

When I visited the site yesterday, I saw plenty of cement trucks there. Is there going to be a major pour soon?

They were pouring the northeastern corner of the plaza, that's probably what all the cement trucks were for.

They were pouring the northeastern corner of the plaza, that's probably what all the cement trucks were for.

Oh cool, thanks. :D

CAM IS BACK

http://www.earthcam.com/clients/groundzero/groundZero.swf

Clear progress on Vesey Street and other parts.

it's just the same as the one we've been using for a month now

No it's not exactly the same thing, even though it's likely the same cam. It's not as good as the older one because there's no archive, but superior to a jpeg you can't zoom in on.

You can zoom in on the jpeg too, in firefox you just have to click on the spot you want to zoom in on

No it's not exactly the same thing, even though it's likely the same cam. It's not as good as the older one because there's no archive, but superior to a jpeg you can't zoom in on.

Ctrl+ Scroll button on mouse for Zoom on both IE and FF.

Few photos from flickr:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3511/3753594939_6c2a88b7fc_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/vgopal_001/3753594939/

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2634/3742442653_f910277572_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/40649570@N07/3742442653/

Ask The Port Authority: 1WTC Construction (http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/q_a_intro.cfm)Q. I've been following the construction of One World Trade Center and was wondering if the cores will always be built staggered as they are now, or is the south core going to wait on the north core to catch up and rise together? Also, will there be more tower cranes installed at the site? – Anthony, Scarsdale, N.Y.

A. As you may have noticed, we poured another level of the north core last week and we anticipate that the north core will catch up to the south core in August. By the end of this quarter, we expect to install steel on top of the north core and jump the north tower crane up 189 feet above street level. Ultimately, we expect there will be three tower cranes on this project.

Q. I would like to know when more of the steel core is going to be built and when we are going to start seeing the outer perimeter columns going up? – Jason, Miami, FL

A. As I mentioned in a previous inquiry, we expect to install steel above the north core during this summer, and this fall, you'll see jumbo columns being installed around the tower's perimeter.

Q. I was wondering when the actual steel perimeter will start rising? From my vantage point, it looks like there are still basement areas needing to come up to street level on the north as well as the west side. Perhaps by September? – Joseph, Cambridge, MA

A. An excellent observation, Joseph. Not all of the below-ground areas around One World Trade Center need to be completed to begin the erection of the tower's jumbo perimeter steel columns. A crawler crane will be mobilized on the recently poured southeast slab at street level to assist in the erection of the first perimeter steel columns. We expect to begin installation of these jumbo columns this fall.

^^ Nice to get some more insights into the construction. I thought their was to be 4 cranes instead of 3. Either way I'm looking forward to seeing those perimeter steel columns climb higher.

July 27th:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2516/3762738320_d31a79acb1_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/morrongiello/3762738320/sizes/l/

When are they installing the hydrogen fuel cells?

When are they installing the hydrogen fuel cells?

Good question....who knows, they might be installed already. Fuel cells that would be useful for a tower of this size would have to be rather large. I think they were supposed to install them quite some time ago, they may have slipped under our radar.

I cant beleive they still working on that project.

sorry to ask this but----

i saw pix of the pouring of a plaza in front of wtc 1, you know the plaza with the circular indent in it....does anybody know what side of the building this is on?

thanks so much!

^^
I'm pretty sure it's the East side.

I didn't take any pics today but saw a large number of trucks parked around WTC7 around 1 PM. One truck was pouring concrete inside the northern part of the site. 3 were parked on Washington St and 3 more on Barclay St.

Vesey St is almost completely demolished and the underlying steel frame can now be seen. A hydraulic breaker was working all day just doing that. I'll take some pics tomorrow.

Edit: Infact you can see a part of the frame in the pic that Onn just posted above.

I can actually make out the shape of the tower now. Thanks for the picture, Onn.

No problem. There are also some new up close pictures of 4WTC in that thread, I just posted them today. If your interested.

I just bought a townhouse on the beach in Keansburg (The garden spot of the western hemisphere). It's a heckofa lot further away than IndiansUnite gets to be (jealous muttering), but on a clear day I'll be able to watch the skyline rise from my window as soon as it gets a little taller.

You'll be in a much better position than I am in just another 2 weeks. I'll recede back to my upstate NJ house for a couple of weeks and then head back to my uni in the cornfields of Illinois. I won't be able to see ground zero until Thanksgiving http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/8274/sadt.gif

here's more heartburn for all of you http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/1986/icontwistedf.gif

I got this poster of the view from the new WTC7 in my room when it opened its doors in 2006-

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/8534/dscn9430.th.jpg (http://img188.imageshack.us/i/dscn9430.jpg/)

It's been poorly taped up and the view has changed significantly. But hey, at least I have some new WTC memorabilia.

Speaking of memorabilia, I've always wanted to ask PANYNJ if I could buy an extra netting (that covers the site) that has renders of the new WTC development. :lol: The one showing all the towers looks simply magnificent and something that can be used to cover one of my bare bedroom walls.

anyways here are some pics of a model of the Transportation Hub for those who are interested--> Clicky (http://www.flickr.com/photos/twi-ny/sets/72157621841477082/)

^^
Most seem to disagree with me, but I truly think the Transportation Hub is the one of the most important parts of the site. It's the part that everyone will get to interact with, top to bottom. It should be large and expensive, and the Port Authority should not pull one dime away from it.

Oh and nice poster. :)

Can anybody link me to the most recent memorial thread? I can't seem to find it...

Can anybody link me to the most recent memorial thread? I can't seem to find it...

I think we were kind of just using this thread. There might be one, but I wouldn't know where that is exactly. Probably in General Development...

i agree about the transit hub. yes it might be big and expensive, but isn't that what new york is anyways? (!) besides i think it breaks up the rows of glass nicely

^^
Most seem to disagree with me, but I truly think the Transportation Hub is the one of the most important parts of the site. It's the part that everyone will get to interact with, top to bottom. It should be large and expensive, and the Port Authority should not pull one dime away from it.

Oh and nice poster. :)

No argument here. I had a lively time trying to explain to someone why I thought Lower Manhattan deserved something better than just keeping the temporary station. When you want someone to remember New York, do you bring them to Penn Station or Grand Central?
The greatest collection of skyscrapers in the Western hemisphere deserves more than a roller skating rink for an entrance.

By the way, which building do you take your pictures from, Onn? From your latest it looks like 2 World Financial Center.

27 July:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2516/3762738320_d31a79acb1_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/morrongiello/3762738320/

27 July:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2516/3762738320_d31a79acb1_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/morrongiello/3762738320/

That is the exact same picture Onn posted.

By the way, which building do you take your pictures from, Onn? From your latest it looks like 2 World Financial Center.

Oh, no, those aren't mine. I'm posting someone else’s pictures. I would definitely take pictures if I could. But I don't even live in New York, I'm from IndiansUnite territory. :lol:

Oh, no, those aren't mine. I'm posting someone else’s pictures. I would definitely take pictures if I could. But I don't even live in New York, I'm from IndiansUnite territory. :lol:

Oh. Well I guess that person is from 2WFC. I'm a Jersey dweller myself. :P

Oh. Well I guess that person is from 2WFC. I'm a Jersey dweller myself. :P

Michigan, Detroit Metro area. Where there is zero skyscraper action going on anywhere. The best they could muster was a couple casinos. :lol:

And yes, the pitcures were probably taken from 2 WFC. I don't know exactly, IndiansUnite might have a better idea.

this is da most garbage sh***** slowest building ever..dos reta*** fu**** were fast enough to destroy it but now dey fu**** cant build it taking fu***** 10 years jus to reach ground level... i hope dis pieace of sh** collapse wen it get build..son of turtles

Michigan, Detroit Metro area. Where there is zero skyscraper action going on anywhere. The best they could muster was a couple casinos. :lol:

Hell yeah, Metro Detroit represent. He is right that we don't have any new activity, but we do have a fine collection of art deco skyscrapers.

this is da most garbage sh***** slowest building ever..dos reta*** fu**** were fast enough to destroy it but now dey fu**** cant build it taking fu***** 10 years jus to reach ground level... i hope dis pieace of sh** collapse wen it get build..son of turtles

Hahahaha. You mad son?

Hahahaha. You mad son?

Lol, I think someones a little upset. I honestly don't mind the garbage when its infrequent, humors the thread a little. :p

There is one thing I don't understand about the build site though. About the station in the center, are they simply going to deck over it or rebuild part/majority of it? I would assume this portion of the build is going to come into play rather soon...

Hahahaha. You mad son?

and fail grammer school?

There is one thing I don't understand about the build site though. About the station in the center, are they simply going to deck over it or rebuild part/majority of it? I would assume this portion of the build is going to come into play rather soon...More of the original station (much of which survived 9/11 and dates back to the original 1970's construction) is being kept than was originally planned, but a substantial amount of what we see now will be replaced. From the first quarter report:
"Take PATH Platform A and Tracks 1 & 2 Out of Service

This will facilitate completion of foundation work to support the steel columns in
the Transit Hall. This will also allow the demolition of Platform A to begin,
which will be replaced by a 10-car, ADA-compliant platform. This platform is
currently used as a surplus platform to store PATH trains during off-peak hours.
This should not affect PATH service going forward."

I know one of the big reasons for replacing the platforms is that when the current platforms were built in the 1970's, they were only built for eight cars. The new platforms will be 10 car platforms.

I remember the report saying how they might preserve some of the original platforms in order to save on costs. But I think it's a good idea to preserve some of the platforms just because they are part of the original World Trade Center complex! Cost saving is just a bonus. I walked on those platforms and they don't seem any different from any other platforms that I walked on in NYC. Probably better if anything.

More of the original station (much of which survived 9/11 and dates back to the original 1970's construction) is being kept than was originally planned, but a substantial amount of what we see now will be replaced. From the first quarter report:
"Take PATH Platform A and Tracks 1 & 2 Out of Service

This will facilitate completion of foundation work to support the steel columns in
the Transit Hall. This will also allow the demolition of Platform A to begin,
which will be replaced by a 10-car, ADA-compliant platform. This platform is
currently used as a surplus platform to store PATH trains during off-peak hours.
This should not affect PATH service going forward."

I know one of the big reasons for replacing the platforms is that when the current platforms were built in the 1970's, they were only built for eight cars. The new platforms will be 10 car platforms.

I'm going to assume this has made little or no progress. From what I can tell there are no visible support columns near or equal to the ground height. That is unless they are covered by the roof until needed. Also what will become of all the square footage above and around the PATH station? It seems like a lot of empty space. Finally, who controls the contract work dealing with the PATH station portion of the project?

I'm going to assume this has made little or no progress. From what I can tell there are no visible support columns near or equal to the ground height. That is unless they are covered by the roof until needed. Also what will become of all the square footage above and around the PATH station? It seems like a lot of empty space. Finally, who controls the contract work dealing with the PATH station portion of the project?Considering that summary was for Q2 2009 (April - June), if they haven't been done yet they're definitely behind schedule. It's hard to tell if any work has been done underneath the existing roof. The master contract for the transportation hub was recently awarded to Tishman/Turner on the 23rd. The previous construction manager, Phoenix Contractors, was dismissed after it finished the portions of the contract it had already started. The main incentive was to take advantage of the plunging prices in the industry due to the recession.

My understanding is that they will actually build the new roof over the platforms first, so the surface work can proceed for the memorial, and then build down.

Muy buena, muy buena skyscrpaer diseños!
El PANYNJ es malo.

Can someone please explain, what's going on in the white tent of the memorial bottom. Long life testing?

Can someone please explain, what's going on in the white tent of the memorial bottom. Long life testing?

Someone camping on the site? :dunno:

We really don’t have any more clue than you do as to what the tent is for…

^^ They'll probably store building materials and equipment in that tent.

^^ They'll probably store building materials and equipment in that tent.

not big enough..


it's probably their "command" center with blue prints of memorial, etc..

not big enough..
it's probably their "command" center with blue prints of memorial, etc..
I was thinking that also, in addition it's too far from or materials would be delivered to be immaterial storage area. If you say it's probably for blueprints, schedules, and maybe a few precision instruments like transit's etc.

^^ All night long, light is on in this tent !

Nice to see the tower finally emerge!!!

I think they will be pooring concreed to the east side of 1 WTC. The pompwagen is standing reddy now.

^^
Yes, large concrete pour going on as we speak. East side, lobby floor and plaza.

http://www.earthcam.com/clients/groundzero/groundZero.swf

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7441&d=1248995759

good progress. Fuel cells?

I took these on the 4th of July.



http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y6/eddyk2/085.jpg
Tourist spot


http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y6/eddyk2/088.jpg

And yes, the pitcures were probably taken from 2 WFC. I don't know exactly, IndiansUnite might have a better idea.

Yeah 2WFC it is. 3WFC is bang infront of the site and the building number decreases as you go south.

....But I don't even live in New York, I'm from IndiansUnite territory. :lol:

Really? Which county?


Anyways here are some pics I took this week. Click on em to view large.

Tuesday -July 28
http://i32.tinypic.com/332ne35.jpg (http://i26.tinypic.com/2l89stl.jpg)

http://i27.tinypic.com/dc3fpl.jpg (http://i28.tinypic.com/2znratw.jpg)


Today - 4 PM

http://i32.tinypic.com/dmxm69.jpg (http://i28.tinypic.com/ine88y.jpg)

http://i27.tinypic.com/b5qpw8.jpg (http://i30.tinypic.com/2dte03.jpg)

They've been doing a big pour for a long time on the plaza. I think they started pouring before the sun came up.

Really? Which county?


Oh, no. Not in so many words. I meant the Midwest, not Illinois in general. Somewhere like you live, where there isn't any skyscraper action going on. The cornfields aren't far away. :)

And thanks for the pictures, as always! I'm betting the western plaza is the next item on their list.

great up date picture....

^^ All night long, light is on in this tent !

Ya think they're camping and its a party,,,,,,,,,,,

haha they are diffidently having a party in there...did u see any disco light?

RGB cam back in service without west street, as of 11:15 am local time

Hey can see the HD cam on top of the Millennium Hilton ?

^^
I think it's inside the World Financial Center, you probably can’t see it from the outside. And they did turn it back on, but it’s showing a terrible view of 1WTC. 4WTC looks good though...
http://rebuildgroundzero.org/webcam/rgz_000.jpg

The PANYNJ released a movie of the latest pour. Here's the link:
http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/video-gallery.html

Time-lapse of most recent cement pour at 1WTC (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=JFHQGT3N) (Requires xVid codec (http://www.xvid.org/Downloads.15.0.html))

Looks good, but they have a lot of work to do still. And I wonder what that large dip is for in the section they just poured? The side of another large planter, or something else....

there's a similar formation just south of the one you're talking about, across the "path" to the east entrance. so i think it's safe to assume it's a planter or something

WAooooo Really Amazing Project :D

Anyone know when the north core will have some of its framework by?

Anyone know when the north core will have some of its framework by?

That's anyone's guess, maybe by the end of the month or september.

pouring in the south pool starts just now!!

Enjoy:

http://archives.earthcam.com/archives5/ecnetwork/us/ny/nyc/gzmpr/gzrobotic1.jpg

The formworks on the north core also jumped.

ma cosa aspettano a costruire? dopo l'11?

^^ avete anale con altri ragazzo è muto

Translated: Please write English and yes this building is being build :)

It's hard to tell, but it looks like the cranes are moving some big steel around on the SE side of the site.

It's hard to tell, but it looks like the cranes are moving some big steel around on the SE side of the site.

I can't tell for certain, but looks like their stock piling it just to the east/right of the north core. My guess is it'll be for the top of the north core. If memory serves, they usually wait for the weekend to erect it.

NY gov: We could build at WTC without developer

By JENNIFER PELTZ, Associated Press Writer Jennifer Peltz, Associated Press Writer – Mon Aug 3, 5:07 pm ET

NEW YORK – New York Gov. David Paterson gave World Trade Center site developer Larry Silverstein an ultimatum Monday in prolonged talks over his lease to build three planned office towers, saying ground zero rebuilding could go ahead without him if necessary.

In a letter that outlined parts of old offers of partial financing for two of the towers, Paterson pressed the two sides to meet this week to work on resolving the dispute.

But the governor said he had told the site's owner, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, to start drawing up new plans so the agency could finish rebuilding the Sept. 11 memorial and other public projects regardless whether Silverstein completes his buildings.

"This will ensure that, should you and the Port Authority not be able to reach an agreement, the site will no longer be subject to the fate of the real estate market or these negotiations," Paterson wrote.

Silverstein's camp expressed doubt that the governor's move would help, and Mayor Michael Bloomberg's administration and state Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver said it would hurt.

"From the beginning, we've said both parties would have to compromise to avoid stalemate and further delays on the site," Bloomberg spokesman Andrew Brent said. "Unfortunately, today's proposal doesn't achieve that and would move us in the wrong direction."

The agency and Silverstein have negotiated for months — with Silverstein threatening to seek arbitration and interventions from top state lawmakers and meetings convened by Bloomberg going nowhere.

Silverstein has asked the Port Authority to guarantee more than $3 billion in financing to build two of his planned towers. He has been unable to obtain private financing in the tight real estate market and has said the agency has delayed his construction schedule by falling behind on projects — including a vast, winged transit hub designed by Spanish architect Santiago Calatrava — that surround his.

Janno Lieber, who heads trade center construction for Silverstein, echoed those complaints Monday. He said Paterson's "ideas will not likely put us on a path" to building the two towers.

The agency has agreed to back one tower currently under construction and put up some money for a second tower, but only if Silverstein comes up with more than $600 million first.

The Port Authority has said that putting up more for the private venture would siphon money from other key projects, such as improvements to LaGuardia Airport and a new rail tunnel serving Pennsylvania Station.

The towers and the agency's projects are intertwined through underground utility infrastructure, as well as a vehicle security center, train tracks and streets that would connect the office towers and the memorial.

The Port Authority didn't immediately have cost estimates or a timetable for reconfiguring the plans to disentangle its projects from Silverstein's.

"We appreciate the governor's leadership in working to reach a solution that both protects public resources and ensures the public projects keep moving forward," agency spokesman Stephen Sigmund said.

But Silver, who tried to broker an end to the stalemate more than a month ago, said he feared the governor's proposal would spur "yet another standstill at the World Trade Center site and many more years of delay."

Paterson echoed much of the Port Authority's position, though he said he deliberately avoided specific numbers to allow for negotiation. He added that he would ask the Port Authority to waive millions of dollars a month in rent on the second and third towers "until the market returns" to build them.

The governor asked both sides to meet Wednesday and give him a progress report Aug. 12.

Source - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090803/ap_on_re_us/us_attacks_redevelopment

i dont kown

The steel scattered around the core looks exactly like the framework steel for the north core. It seems like the north core will have steel soon. Also, according to someone from WNY, a new crane will be erected this week.

The steel scattered around the core looks exactly like the framework steel for the north core. It seems like the north core will have steel soon. Also, according to someone from WNY, a new crane will be erected this week.

hell yee :banana:

yeah that steel is for north core

here we go---

from NY Daily News

Secret report: Ground Zero Freedom Tower construction lags, slated for 2018 finish


http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2009/08/04/2009-08-04_touted_ground_zero_construction_projects_years_off_schedule__report_behind_the_t.html

^^ Sounds like utter BS to me. The "secret report" is not meant to be considered as fact. They must be desperate for attention. All of the below grade and street level work will be done this year. The report also says the memorial is 2 years behind schedule; however, according to the last update on the memorial, it was way ahead of schedule, at least in terms of steel erection. It's funny how they call it "Freedom Tower" whenever there's bad news, and "1WTC" when there's good news.

Gov. Paterson has nothing on his mind except taking the easiest way out to make it seem as it was his executive leadership that ended the stalemates, at the expense of our skyscrapers. He should be ashamed of himself, but I guess all that matters is his crappy political future. Getting rid of the private developer, the only guy in the mix who has shown that he knows what he's doing, is the move of a fool; yes, give the bureaucrats total control over this project and maybe we'll see Tower 2 top out by 2058, assuming they don't decide to ditch it and build a 4-story mall, completion date est. at 2022. With Larry out of the picture, god forbid, maybe they can move the Tower 4 completion date from 2012 to 2020. The two fastest projects and the only ones on schedule are WTC Tower 4 and 7WTC; both were developed by Silverstein, so let us remove him from the project. God forbid; 7WTC finishing on schedule is enough for this mega project! Let's not get ahead of ourselves! Good job, PA, with the T3 and T2 plots. They were supposed to be ready, what, last June? And now, if we're lucky, they'll be ready next month. Thanks for nothing and screw yourselves. Silverstein Properties should have been given full control over the entire project. Fuck the PA, fuck Paterson, and fuck the bureaucrats in the middle.

Getting back to the better news, this is really exciting! The north part of the core is actually about to catch up! Last year, it felt like this moment would never come.

Also, according to someone from WNY, a new crane will be erected this week.

A mobile crane is being erected to assist with the exterior jumbo beams that are to be erected in September. The crane will sit in the southeast plaza area (where the round pit is).

here we go---

from NY Daily News

Secret report: Ground Zero Freedom Tower construction lags, slated for 2018 finish


http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2009/08/04/2009-08-04_touted_ground_zero_construction_projects_years_off_schedule__report_behind_the_t.html

I agree that it sounds like BS. The project has kept in line with the timeline set last october.

I'll take it one step further. It's a fucking heap load of bullshit!!!!!! Who reports this shit anyway? it sounds like a fucking tabloid!! it would be better to hear from somebody that knows what they are talking about.

1WTC, although very tall, will not be the tallest building in the world. It is also very beautiful in it's modern refined simplicity, but certainly not the most beautiful building in the world ...

... but ...

... without a doubt, no other building is being recorded, photographed, videotaped, or observed throughout it's construction process more than this one in the whole world. Cameras are trained on this construction site 24/7/365.
When I was last in NYC a month ago, hundreds - maybe thousands - of tourists encircled the entire construction site photographing and recording the progress.

I agree that the projects are probably falling a little bit behind, they need more workers on the site. It's obvious from the webcams that there are about 50 or fewer people building the Freedom, and even less workers on the memorial. I don't think the projects are "2018" behind schedule, but they have a lot of work to do. I'm not as worried about the Freedom Tower as I am the memorial. That is supposed to be open in 2 years flat, and this summer is almost over.

I agree that the projects are probably falling a little bit behind, they need more workers on the site. It's obvious from the webcams that there are about 50 or fewer people building the Freedom, and even less workers on the memorial. I don't think the projects are "2018" behind schedule, but they have a lot of work to do. I'm not as worried about the Freedom Tower as I am the memorial. That is supposed to be open in 2 years flat, and this summer is almost over.

Dude, there is no way you can know how many people are working on 1WTC by looking at the webcam, and I guarantee you it's far more than 50.

Dude, there is no way you can know how many people are working on 1WTC by looking at the webcam, and I guarantee you it's far more than 50.

Yes, but they should all be visible working. The Webcams are pretty good at picking out people on the site, and most days you don't see many. They should be having large concrete pours every week, not once a month. I’m not that surprised if there is some sort of secret report out there. They have tons of work to do just to get to regular floors, they still have to build the blast walls around the lobby. How long do you think that is going to take, judging by the ammount of time it takes for the core to jump? It's going to take months.

Yes, but they should all be visible working. The Webcams are pretty good at picking out people on the site, and most days you don't see many. They should be having large concrete pours every week, not once a month. I’m not that surprised if there is some sort of secret report out there. They have tons of work to do just to get to regular floors, they still have to build the blast walls around the lobby. How long do you think that is going to take, judging by the ammount of time it takes for the cores to jump?

That has nothing to do with what I said. My point is that the majority of workers on this site aren't going to be visible, seeing as there is still an enormous amount of work to be done inside the structure and below it.

That has nothing to do with what I said. My point is that the majority of workers on this site aren't going to be visible, seeing as there is still an enormous amount of work to be done inside the structure and below it.

I'm skeptical about that. There is still work that has to be done down there, I'm sure. But I wouldn't think it would hold up above ground work. It's not like anyone has released pictures of what is going on underground. And 4WTC is not going to be spending this amount of time underground, it's coming up this year.

ncf

My first trip to the WTC site, what a blast to see this all up close and not from a webcam. I must say, walking around the area and seeing the tightness of the streets, what a logistical nightmare. Buses, cabs, cars, sites like the Burj Dubai are a breeze compared to lower Manhattan. Here's a couple pics from this afternoon.

8-4-09

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/5014/pa230065.jpg

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/2547/pa230070.jpg

I'll post some more later, I got a couple of the NE Vesey side. Looks like their close to getting to grade level there.

From the Port Authority:Press Releases
STATEMENT BY: CHRIS WARD, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE PORT AUTHORITY OF NEW YORK AND NEW JERSEY, IN RESPONSE TO LETTER OF ARBITRATION FROM SILVERSTEIN PROPERTIES
Date: Aug 04, 2009
Press Release Number: 99
Silverstein Properties (SPI) has now rejected four offers that put on the table significant amounts of public investment to move their private office towers forward. All that was asked in return was for Mr. Silverstein to take on the same risk he was asking of the public and he could not even agree to do that. It is clear SPI will accept nothing less than two fully subsidized office buildings and that is irresponsible and unacceptable. This arbitration process cannot distract from that fundamental point - that SPI would rather have public dollars at risk in place of its own private investment.

The Port Authority remains confident that it is meeting all of its obligations under the 2006 Master Development Agreement, and we look forward to a decision from the arbitration panel resolving this matter. While this process is ongoing, we plan to complete the final turnover of sites 2 and 3 to SPI, which will end the agency’s $300,000 a day damage obligations and begin the clock on SPI to complete Towers 2, 3 and 4.

Mr. Silverstein’s press statement contention that delays on the World Trade Center site have adversely affected the financing of his office towers completely ignores the reality that we are in the single worst economic recession since the Great Depression and that developers all around the City are being forced to put their projects on hold and wait for the market to return. This is not something unique to the WTC site. In fact, the 2006 Master Development Agreement (MDA) called for final turnovers by the end of 2008, well after major financial institutions contemplated as anchor tenants at the site were no longer in existence and after the economic recession fully set in. The bottom line is Silverstein didn’t miss the market, the market missed Silverstein.

In the meantime, the Port Authority is on schedule to meet the completion dates in its October assessment. We will continue the daily and visible progress in building the Memorial, One World Trade Center, the Transportation Hub and the other public infrastructure projects the agency is responsible for. Already, more than 70% of the Memorial steel is complete and the pools and plaza are taking shape. One World Trade Center has over 200 feet of construction completed and the plaza is built to the front door. The Transportation Hub has installed 47 arches to build the East West connector, the Fulton Street deck is built, and the West Street tunnel has begun. And we are working around the ongoing delays in bringing down 130 Liberty Street in order to keep the VSC moving forward.

Contact:
Port Authority of NY & NJ Media Relations
212.435.7777

Looks like the north core needs another pour before they can put that steel up.

A few more shots from today,

8-4-09

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/7388/pa230071.jpg

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/7169/pa230069.jpg

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/1693/pa230068.jpg

I love that last shot, where you can see the rebar coming up from the columns. I always wondered how they poured floors; it looks like the answer is surprisingly low tech.

you can see how thick the floor will be in that last shot with the green rebar^^:nuts:

The 2018 report really was BS.

The Freedom Tower is still on schedule with the October 2008 construction schedule.

you can see how thick the floor will be in that last shot with the green rebar^^:nuts:

I think part of that may be for the plaza stairs, as well.

Now I think the steel by the core may support the new crane.

What is the steel and platforms doing at the east side of WTC 1. Is this to install the 3th crane?

Now I think the steel by the core may support the new crane.

Sorry Ebola, didn't see your line in time.

I'm still not 100% sure what it's for. I think it has something to do with the crane, as suggested by someone on WNY. Hopefully we will know very soon.

In any case, it's good to see everything at street level.

Imo the third crane will stand on a rail track. First steel beams, than wood and at least the rail track.
So they increase the operation space.
Maybe we see the same on the west side in a couple of months.

As far as I know, the new cranes will be used to install the jumbo perimeter steel columns this fall.

Ok, so to sum things up: there will be the two tower cranes we see now, there will be a third tower crane (according to the program director in the World Trade Center Construction Department), and there will be two crawler cranes for the jumbo colums. Is this right?

The rooftop structural steel will top out in 2011, but I'm not sure when the spire will come.

The north core will catch up to the south one this month, and the steel on both sides of the cores will be equal by the end of September.

http://rebuildgroundzero.org/webcam/rgz_000.jpg works again !

Not a great view in the morning , a good deal too !

^^ Holy crap, it looks like a huge chunk of WTC Tower 4 is already at street level.

Until what point(height) do they usually use Reinforced concrete in construction and then switch to Steel?

Is the core going to be completely made of concrete until the top?
I wonder if Rebar(reinforced concrete) is only going to be used on the bottom floors?
I really dont know much about construction of skyscrapers, can anybody give me a hand?

concrete is always reinforced to some degree. in the case of this building, the core is steel shrouded in concrete. alllllllllllll the way up

Just one question about the freedom tower,

On this website, and the original design site at skidmore the tower was always listed as having 82 floors. Does the building that's going up now actually have 108 floors or are they just numbering the top floors in the hundreds just for publicity kind of like with the libeskind tower which had 110 "floors". I know it might seem like a silly question but i was just curious


http://www.glasssteelandstone.com/BuildingDetail/439.php

http://rebuildgroundzero.org/webcam/rgz_000.jpg works again !

Not a great view in the morning , a good deal too !Not a great view at all, it looks like the cam is flipped over, pointing to the sky... And why the hell is it pink. :nuts: :ohno:

Not a great view at all, it looks like the cam is flipped over, pointing to the sky... And why the hell is it pink. :nuts: :ohno:

The color balance is not properly set, since I've seen pink images from this cam for a long time. It's probably pointing in the wrong direction because someone hit it, but they will notice this some day.

http://rebuildgroundzero.org/webcam/rgz_000.jpg works again !

Not a great view in the morning , a good deal too !

Looks like we have a skycam in addition to the earthcam :nuts:

Really though, who runs that site/camera? Surely they can't be so oblivious to the position of their camera :(

Just one question about the freedom tower,

On this website, and the original design site at skidmore the tower was always listed as having 82 floors. Does the building that's going up now actually have 108 floors or are they just numbering the top floors in the hundreds just for publicity kind of like with the libeskind tower which had 110 "floors". I know it might seem like a silly question but i was just curious


http://www.glasssteelandstone.com/BuildingDetail/439.php

The tower will have 86 floors. The top floor is 108. Nobody seems to know for sure, but they might be numbering the floors according to height which causes them to skip numbers when taller floors cause it to get out of sync.

It looked like they were dumping rocks or something down one of the holes in the top of the concrete on the southern side of the memorial. Anybody know why? It wasn't concrete as far as I can tell, and It got put in via a conveyor belt system of sorts. I have no idea what it was for.

concrete is always reinforced to some degree. in the case of this building, the core is steel shrouded in concrete. alllllllllllll the way up

Would it be suffice to say that in this instance the core is a composite/hybrid system, as opposed to traditional reinforced concrete? As i understand it there is quite a difference, but that's what i imagine is the case.

Until what point(height) do they usually use Reinforced concrete in construction and then switch to Steel?

Is the core going to be completely made of concrete until the top?
I wonder if Rebar(reinforced concrete) is only going to be used on the bottom floors?
I really dont know much about construction of skyscrapers, can anybody give me a hand?

In very simple terms, the steel provides the tensile strength needed for the concrete to be used in such applications, so building with plain concrete is out of the question.

http://rebuildgroundzero.org/webcam/rgz_000.jpg



anyone know who's building the cam is in...because isn't that an Academy Award in the reflection?

:lol: Good question.

^^^^ I love your avatar.

Anyway, back on topic, has anyone confirmed what the steel laying around is for? Or is it still just speculation?

^^^^ I love your avatar.

Anyway, back on topic, has anyone confirmed what the steel laying around is for? Or is it still just speculation?

I'm 99% sure that steel is support for a crane that will be placed there. To make sure concrete will not get damaged, they placed steel, and then looks like wood on top of it.

I'm 99% sure that steel is support for a crane that will be placed there. To make sure concrete will not get damaged, they placed steel, and then looks like wood on top of it.

I'll take your word for it. Thanks. ^_^

Thanks. It's for a crawler crane, which will be used to install stuff like the jumbo columns.

new quarterly report is finally available on

http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/index.html

with lots of infos and details!!!

Port Authority meets 19 WTC Building Milestones






... but screws up another 500 :D

Looks like we have a skycam in addition to the earthcam :nuts:

Really though, who runs that site/camera? Surely they can't be so oblivious to the position of their camera :(

Looks like they are moving out of that office:

http://www.rebuildgroundzero.org/


HELP - Looking for new location to install the webcam !
Hi, we are currently moving my office because of the bad economic situation :( I need to find a new location for the webcam. If you have a window which looks at the site and would like to help to maintain the webcam stream, please contact us asap. Thanks for your support and Happy 2009! All the Best, The RGZ Team.

From today, 8-6-09, some shots of the workers installing the new platform for the crawler crane.

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/3576/pa250037.jpg

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/556/pa250036.jpg

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/1839/pa250034.jpg

Looks like they are moving out of that office:

http://www.rebuildgroundzero.org/

That message has been there for months, long before the cam was pointing at the sky.

More from today, 8-6-09,

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/6642/pa250011.jpg

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/4296/pa250023.jpg

Here's a shot of some columns that I'm not sure where they'll be going. Maybe in the underground pass between the WFC and WTC. Or they could be lamp posts for all I know. But very cool looking.

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/1150/pa250030.jpg

That message has been there for months, long before the cam was pointing at the sky.

Maybe the time had finally come. :-)

In any event, the site isn't getting the attention it used to since the pic of the week is from April.

maybe those columns are for the transit hub?

^^Those definitely look like a lamp columns. Sure seems like it's off or early in the project to even be thinking about those though? Probably just another port authority planning problem. They were ordered to be there when the building was completed and nobody forgot to delay the order when the building fell so far behind. :lol:

I saw those lampposts about a month ago. They have the overhanging portions of the lampposts near the column portions. A little early for them to be there! lol

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2618/3697506789_310a98d85e_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/34471641@N07/3697506789/

^^Im no engineer...in the picture it looked like both ends were flat so i just made an asumption

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t263/DKNY617/IMG_0536.jpg

I think they started to put crane together; can see clearly at night but there is something looks like part of a crane appeared next to path. :)

Old rendering is old, but awesome.
http://i32.tinypic.com/4uukhi.jpg
http://i25.tinypic.com/r8ukh1.jpg

Hopefully the facade on it will look even better than 7WTC's facade when it's all erected.

By the way, it seems like you can currently see part of the bottom half of the new crane on the HD cam.

Is Manhattan's new building going to be constructed near where the twin towers used to be?

I'm crossing my fingers for major activity tomorrow.

I'm thinking that old rendering is the best one we have for now. With towers 2 and 3 probably not being completed with in the next half decade. Lets hope for a miracle with the whole silverstein/pa war.

the crawler part ( without boom) is already on a deck.
:banana:

looks like this gonna be one of the biggest on a site

I was in New York a couple of weeks ago and visited the WTC site.
What suprised me was that the traffic was guided by people not traffic lights.:lol:
The site itself is really moving forward, especially when you compare it to pictures from last year.
I wunder how ground zero will look like in 2010...:cheers:

This is by far the slowest supertall under construction in history.. very very very slow very little has changed on the site.

I've just sent a question to the PA asking when the first above grade floor will be poured.

New crane being prepared:

http://i31.tinypic.com/seylnt.jpg

This is by far the slowest supertall under construction in history.. very very very slow very little has changed on the site.

If you compare it to yesterday, then sure. And yeah, it's slow compared to places like Dubai- Dubai isn't one of the densest urban areas in the world, and to my knowledge, the sites don't stand over a very important PATH route, subway route, and last I checked, no buildings in Dubai were being built on a site of the worst terrorist attack in the UAE's history.

You obviously have no idea what you're talking about, considering a year ago the south core was half the height it was WITHOUT the steel, and the north core didn't even exist.

There's my angry rant for the day. Anyway, thanks for the update, Ebola. The site's pace is really picking up. :D

This is by far the slowest supertall under construction in history.. very very very slow very little has changed on the site.

do you realize where it is being built?

This is by far the slowest supertall under construction in history.. very very very slow very little has changed on the site.

Thats not true, first of all, they had to take all the bodies and debris out of 7 huge collapsed buildings (all over 7 stories), which took until 2006, in new york city, with their weather, that is super fast. And second, it took 2 or 3 years to completely restablilize the foundation (still,pretty good), and now they can finally start construction on the new complex.

What's the point in arguing with these people? If they can't see the dramatic difference over the course of the last few months, who's going to convince them?

Are they getting ready to put up Crane 3 then?

Are they getting ready to put up Crane 3 then?

that will be a crane #3. As far as we know there will be 2 tower cranes and one crawler crane. Crawler crane will also assist in construction of a new PATH/ subway terminal. There is alot of important things will be going on in next 6 months. :)

Some overview photos:

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/New%20York/P7081192.jpg?t=1249775043

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/New%20York/P7081193.jpg?t=1249775134

that will be a crane #3. As far as we know there will be 2 tower cranes and one crawler crane. Crawler crane will also assist in construction of a new PATH/ subway terminal. There is alot of important things will be going on in next 6 months. :)

At the height of crane activity there will be 3 tower cranes and two crawler cranes. As soon as the plaza on the west side is finished I believe the other crawler crane will arrive, and the third tower crane will be attached to the side of the building so it won't arrive for a little while yet.*

*someone with insider knowledge feel free to correct me.

There will be three tower cranes and I'm pretty sure 2 crawler craners.

sorry if this may be considered out of place but i found this render and i thought it gave a great overview of what the area will look like..

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb289/chasespncr/NewNYCIIDAY.jpg

^^ Well, thanks for posting even though we've all seen it hundreds of times already. It's all over the web and most prominently on wtc.com. Not to mention it rings the WTC site. But it is nice to look at. Even if it's 5 years away, and that's best case.

Something monumental would have to happen for 2WTC and 3WTC to even be U/C within 5 years I would say!

^^ Well, thanks for posting even though we've all seen it hundreds of times already. It's all over the web and most prominently on wtc.com. Not to mention it rings the WTC site. But it is nice to look at. Even if it's 5 years away, and that's best case.

5 years? lets say 20-30 :D

we got a lift off!!! :) big toy in da house

if anybody know what model it is, plz let me know :) Looks like Manitowoc crane

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/1619/10925003.jpg

That is a GIGANTIC crane. Holy shit.

Desparye & AceFlamingo are right on target. I grow tired of reading the neverending and inane 'progress is slow' posts. Wish we had an autodelete function for 'em.

These are obviously people who have no earthly idea of the sheer scope of this project after the worst terrorist attack in American History.

I visit this thread atleast once a day, and most times I see progress somewhere. If you watch at the details, you can see it, but those other morons should just shut up! The construction has really speeded up like hell in the last couple of months! Just look at the crane and the platform which took only a few days! That is impressive!

we got a lift off!!! :) big toy in da house

if anybody know what model it is, plz let me know :) Looks like Manitowoc crane

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/1619/10925003.jpg

It should be a Manitowoc 16000. Amazing machine!

That is one massive crane!! Bring on the perimeter steel!

we got a lift off!!! :) big toy in da house if anybody know what model it is, plz let me know :) Looks like Manitowoc crane
It looks like in 999 to me alone could be a 1250. They are rated 250 tons and 300 tons respectively.

It should be a Manitowoc 16000. Amazing machine!

Looks like you're right. A lift capacity of 400 t vs. 200 t and 250 t for the Liebherr cranes working on the memorial. Jeesh. For comparison, each tower crane has a max of 64 t. I'm going to assume that the sites I got the info from simply listed everything in metric tonnes. (tonnes are confusing)

If the crane is a 999, then yeah it has about the same capacity as the other crawler cranes.

Very nice. I've been reading this thread every week for a long, long time, but, I've never posted. This tomorrow is the most exciting and attractive tower under construction right now in the world. It is going to be a beautiful complex when complete. Can't wait to see it.

we got a lift off!!! :) big toy in da house

if anybody know what model it is, plz let me know :) Looks like Manitowoc crane

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/1619/10925003.jpg

Jesus, that's HUGE. Awesome.

Any progress at all is good progress in our crappy economy. And yes, what a huge damn crane... :nuts:

I haven't been keeping up with this project lately. I've been hard at work. I don't know what the time table looks like. Whats the big red crane for?

It should be a Manitowoc 16000. Amazing machine!

Is that supposed to be the biggest or the highest moving crane in the world according to Guinness World of Records or am I wrong? That's really something if you are constructing the most symbolic place in United States. I just hate the design of the building. It's too 90s. I am hoping they will change it one more time. I am hoping they will before it's too late.

Is that supposed to be the biggest or the highest moving crane in the world according to Guinness World of Records or am I wrong? That's really something if you are constructing the most symbolic place in United States. I just hate the design of the building. It's too 90s. I am hoping they will change it one more time. I am hoping they will before it's too late.

It's certainly huge but, as far as I know, it's not the biggest one. Not even in the Manitowoc production range. :)

that's not a moon, it's a space station!! What a monster!!

All the activity: materials, people, vehicles, traffic on such a small piece of land. Amazing

Is that supposed to be the biggest or the highest moving crane in the world according to Guinness World of Records or am I wrong? That's really something if you are constructing the most symbolic place in United States. .

Nope. The Manitowoc 31000 lifts over 2500 tons.
The one on the site looks like a 2250 to me.

it looks so great to see everybody gathers to make "miracle" on the earth

Is that supposed to be the biggest or the highest moving crane in the world according to Guinness World of Records or am I wrong? That's really something if you are constructing the most symbolic place in United States. I just hate the design of the building. It's too 90s. I am hoping they will change it one more time. I am hoping they will before it's too late.
Not even close to being the biggest, even in the Manitowoc line there are quite a few bigger. Here's a link to the biggest that they make: Manitowoc 31000 (http://www.manitowoccranes.com/MCG_MC/Products/EN/Model31000.asp)

I hate to see this turn into a crane debate, but I do have a question: I saw in a previous post the red cranes can lift 400 tons, but the cranes already in the tower can only lift 64 tons? The portable, moving cranes have 6 times the capacity of the 'part of the tower' stationary models? Doesn't sound right.

I hate to see this turn into a crane debate, but I do have a question: I saw in a previous post the red cranes can lift 400 tons, but the cranes already in the tower can only lift 64 tons? The portable, moving cranes have 6 times the capacity of the 'part of the tower' stationary models? Doesn't sound right.
It definitely is. Tower cranes don't have a lot of lifting capacity. There are several reasons for this, partly because they're basically on top of a stick that can bend and their load is their only a good bit farther away from their pivot point than that on a mobile crane. Actually the cranes being used here with 64 ton capacity are some of the largest tower cranes available.

the two crawler cranes obviously will not be able to erect perimeter columns past their boom heights, and are not going to move upward with the tower itself. this begs the question - how will the perimeter columns be installed for the remainder (majority) of the building? The obvious answer is the tower cranes - but if the tower cranes have the capacity to erect the perimeter beams on the upper floors - why not just use them for the lower floors? are the lower floor perimer columns in much longer (therefore heavier) segments? basically, why even bother with the crawlers?

I hate to see this turn into a crane debate, but I do have a question: I saw in a previous post the red cranes can lift 400 tons, but the cranes already in the tower can only lift 64 tons? The portable, moving cranes have 6 times the capacity of the 'part of the tower' stationary models? Doesn't sound right.

The tower cranes are also limited by the building structure they're mounted on and the distance they reach out. The amount they can lift when the load is at the tip of an almost horizontal boom is much lower than the crane's maximum capacity. The new crane probably can't go anywhere near 400 tons if it was reaching out as far as it could with only the counterweights to hold it.

The tower crane ratings are probably as as used on this project, while the new crane rating is maximum under any conditions.

I don't want to stray too far off topic,but I've heard there is a Sept 11th Memorial concert scheduled.A band that my band does shows with sometimes is supposed to perform there.Does anyone know where the concert will be and the line-up?

http://www.manitowoccranes.com/MCG_MC/Products/EN/m1200_72.asp


1300 t M-1200 72 RINGER :)

They're dismantling the bridge next to the memorial!!!

http://www.manitowoccranes.com/MCG_MC/Products/EN/m1200_72.asp
1300 t M-1200 72 RINGER :)
? The crane they just installed is definitely not a ringer crane! It is a straight crawler crane, it doesn't even have Maxi lift.

? The crane they just installed is definitely not a ringer crane! It is a straight crawler crane, it doesn't even have Maxi lift.

I wasnt talking about a crane that was installed. :) read last 2 pages

I wasnt talking about a crane that was installed. :) read last 2 pages
I've been heavily involved in the discussion for the last two pages. What I didn't understand was why you brought up that ringer crane. It's not the type being used here nor is it even close to being the largest that Manitowoc makes so I couldn't understand why it was injected into the conversation.

away from the discussion about cranes (it certainly is a big one), here you can find quite regularly updates of the whole site (including tower 4):

http://www.flickr.com/photos/morrongiello/

cheers

i'm cant follow to 488 page! but its exist

In my opinion they should have made a different monument and make twin towers instead of this single one, maybe with a nice designed sky bridge between them. This tower just deserves a twin brother.

As per PA press release today the crane is a Manitowoc M16000. They are starting to put up jumbo columns tomorrow!

Info and specs of crane:
http://www.manitowoccranes.com/MCG_MC/Products/EN/model16000.asp

PA press release
http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/press_releasesItem.cfm?headLine_id=1282