I think you'll find that the crane there now will go all the way up.. it's already sitting on the base plate of a hoist system for a steel building.

Yes, i'm sure that the crane you see here will be used on the upper frame, (the mast or tower section, and the boom will be shortened) however the base plate does not seem to have any noticeable hydrolic system on its legs for jacking, if this base does jack, it will lose the legs.

Its as though they are prepping the southern portion of the site to lay the remaining columns:)

Yes, i'm sure that the crane you see here will be used on the upper frame, (the mast or tower section, and the boom will be shortened) however the base plate does not seem to have any noticeable hydrolic system on its legs for jacking, if this base does jack, it will lose the legs.


If you go back to my last post, or maybe the one before, you'll find an explanation for hoisting.... We dont build steel buildings here.. just concrete cores... If you go into OZ scarpers.. you'll see how they hoist through a concrete core.. but back to steel... it's the same framne base that was used at the TIMES HQ.. and they went all the way up..

Here's a link for our Cranes thread...

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=242154&page=20

Has anyone seen the movie "Click"?, the Freedom tower is seen a moment in the background, but there are two.. like twin towers

THIS PROJECT WILL TAKE REALLY LONG TO BE FINISHED, WELL IT DEPENDS ON HOW MANY WORKERS WORK AT THE PLACE

The original WTC took almost a decade to be finished.....now this one I agree with you..it will take forever... :(

I don't see so much progress over there.

looks like the crane been up for a will but isnt doing anything major

The timeline depends on the cooperation between developers, financers, architects, city officials, etc. etc. I think this project would have been much better served with a different developer with less ego.

So can someone please explain what is currently going on at the site now that they have erected the first crane?

looks like the crane been up for a will but isnt doing anything major

I am not surprised about this, especially when I heard that steel is not going to arrive there for months that it will not even rise until the start of next year hence this is very much a premature start.

looks like the crane been up for a will but isnt doing anything major

The crane just went up last week.

So can someone please explain what is currently going on at the site now that they have erected the first crane?

Can you chill with the 20 million questions? The building will take a while to construct, just like any other concrete structure of this size. Just relax and don't look at the thread for a few weeks.

If you go back to my last post, or maybe the one before, you'll find an explanation for hoisting.... We dont build steel buildings here.. just concrete cores... If you go into OZ scarpers.. you'll see how they hoist through a concrete core.. but back to steel... it's the same framne base that was used at the TIMES HQ.. and they went all the way up..

Here's a link for our Cranes thread...

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=242154&page=20

Well for the sake of not being arguementive, i'll say only this, i've been in skyscraper construction for 28 years, and my list of projects is beyond 30 towers. i was (and still am) a union Plumber/Pipefitter out of local's 78 and 250 here in Los Angeles.

Well.. are there any confirmed news, articles or interviews about the second tower crane?

Has anyone seen the movie "Click"?, the Freedom tower is seen a moment in the background, but there are two.. like twin towers

Yes I noticed that I was going to post it as well but I forgot. :)

I thinck this tower ..will present more interest only in 2008 cause things are going quite slow...and nothing seems to be happening ...:ohno:

Sorry in advanced if this has been posted.

I know there's already a HD webcam on ground zero but I came across another webcam, its only on the fifth floor of the Millenium Hilton Hotel and dosent give an overveiw as good as the other, but this one is more or less a live strem and changes direction every so often. Anyway its worth checking out.

earthcam.com/usa/newyork/groundzero (http://www.earthcam.com/usa/newyork/groundzero/#)

^^Oh, I'v just realized there 4 live strem cam's :)

^^ yeah, earthcam rules. I love the HD cam as it's great to see the development. I'm very glad that it's online again :cheers:

with this crane up, can they use this to aid them in constructing the other 3 quadrants of the core?

I thinck this tower ..will present more interest only in 2008 cause things are going quite slow...and nothing seems to be happening ...:ohno:

Well yes its slow, but there is a LOT of rebar being put down, so I imagine it is very tedious.

I bet we'll see some more belowgrade steel going up next week.

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looks ace :rock:

from the other forum..posted by DUBAI2015..nice one :cry:
http://i19.tinypic.com/6ferssn.jpg

^^ Love the rendering... Need more supertalls near to new WTC complex.

Someone should make a rendering with the other towers included like the GSone.

oky..but i don't know how..we..can manage so many ..a lot of projects are beeing neglected...because there are too many around the globe....:cry:...so will manage with the famous ones....wakarimashita..???

wakarimasen someone can do it!

from the other forum..posted by DUBAI2015..nice one :cry:
http://i19.tinypic.com/6ferssn.jpg

That would be me. DUBAI2015 on SSP is BurjDubai7 on SSC. :)

from the other forum..posted by DUBAI2015..nice one :cry:
http://i19.tinypic.com/6ferssn.jpg
They're still not going to lose that ugly block at the bottom?

Grrrrrrr.....

:ohno:

And yes, there needs to be more supertalls there - a new 'exclamation point' for the skyline. Without the old 'twins', even with these, NYC is just a big mass of unremarkable buildings whereas Chicago has CHARACTER!

Mike

They're still not going to lose that ugly block at the bottom?

Grrrrrrr.....

:ohno:

And yes, there needs to be more supertalls there - a new 'exclamation point' for the skyline. Without the old 'twins', even with these, NYC is just a big mass of unremarkable buildings whereas Chicago has CHARACTER!

Mike

Theres always the Empire State Building?

why does this seem like the slowest moving project in the World right now? :(

why does this seem like the slowest moving project in the World right now? :(
Try London, mate.
Some truly great projects for the city but if it's not UNESCO sticking their oar in, its idiot government ministers (an oxymoron?) or the ill-named English Heritage, doing their best to prevent anything over head-height being built.
NYC cannot be worse! :)

That render looks absolutely great. ^^

They're still not going to lose that ugly block at the bottom?

Grrrrrrr.....

:ohno:

And yes, there needs to be more supertalls there - a new 'exclamation point' for the skyline. Without the old 'twins', even with these, NYC is just a big mass of unremarkable buildings whereas Chicago has CHARACTER!

Mike

I think you're being unfair. These buildings really don't look bad at all, and were all designed by decent architects. No building has character when it's first designed; it develops with age.
While I agree that Chicago's projects look better, I admit myself as biased.

from the other forum..posted by DUBAI2015..nice one :cry:
http://i19.tinypic.com/6ferssn.jpg

Yeah...this new complex will be great refreshment for NYC skyline! Looks awesome! :cheers:

All these pics show Manhattan in the Afternoon or at night. Does anyone have anything in the morning, where the light is from the east?

Pictures are taken by myself, I made them the sunday 22th of april:

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/2333/dsc00994zqd5.jpg

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/7501/dsc00987zew1.jpg

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/1091/dsc00992zrx3.jpg

http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/2451/dsc00976zdt6.jpg

nice pics, thx

It looks so damn modern, really like this design:) Alot better then the old World Trade Towers :|

I think you're being unfair. These buildings really don't look bad at all, and were all designed by decent architects. No building has character when it's first designed; it develops with age.
While I agree that Chicago's projects look better, I admit myself as biased.
I do agree that they don't look bad at all as individual buildings, in fact a couple of them look pretty good, but, IMHO, that part of the skyline will still be missing its 'signature'.

Mike

Well just rebuilding the towers the way they were seems a little dumb to me when you have the chance to create something much more magnificent and meaningful.

You people are forgetting how big each of these buildings are.

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/66753715/original.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/72105228/original.jpg

great renderings, in those buildings there will be more office space than most US cities

Nice renderings, but.........


Freedom Tower Questioned Amid Rising Costs
April 10, 2007

By Kevin Lerner

As work on the Freedom Tower’s foundations progresses, with an eye to vertical construction beginning next year, observers are expressing doubts over the project’s total price tag, which seems poised to rise at a faster rate than the building itself.


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Earlier this year, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey officially authorized construction of the Skidmore Owings & Merrill-designed building, which forms the symbolic cornerstone of the rebuilt World Trade Center complex. The agency also approved the awarding of contracts worth nearly $500 million for continuing construction on the Freedom Tower’s foundations, which began last spring.

A press release stated that the contract amounts fall “within planned-for contingencies common to projects of this scale,” a roughly 4 percent margin. The building’s total price tag is currently set at $2.88 billion. But many observers believe that the final number will rise far higher.

Barry LePatner, Hon. AIA, a real estate attorney and construction cost expert, contends that the Freedom Tower’s initial bid numbers were virtually meaningless—unless construction companies agree to sign fixed-cost contracts, which seems unlikely. The problem, he explains, is that contractors often lowball their estimates to win projects and then file change orders and add other fees to make up the difference later.

Prominent real estate developers including Douglas Durst and Anthony Malkin have also criticized the project’s finances. Lower Manhattan has an oversupply of office space, they told The New York Times in February, and the Freedom Tower is struggling to attract commercial tenants aside from government agencies.

New York’s new governor, Eliot Spitzer, pledged his support to the Freedom Tower’s construction after taking office this winter—a symbolic but critical step. Even so, Spitzer as well as New Jersey governor Jon Corzine and New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg have said that they are open to selling it to a private developer, which could presumably redesign it. The foundations under construction now, they note, can be used for buildings other than the Freedom Tower.

Other projects at the World Trade Center site face a similarly uncertain fate. The Port Authority admitted this winter that rising labor and materials costs have caused the PATH station, designed by Santiago Calatrava, to exceed its $2.2 billion budget by as much as $1.2 billion. The architect and agency are looking for ways to trim costs. These could include a redesign, although Calatrava has said he is committed to preserving his design’s signature elements.

In other World Trade Center news, the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation (LMDC) has released a revised General Project Plan for construction projects at the World Trade Center site, spelling out the responsibilities of various stakeholders. New York City and New York State jointly created this agency in 2001 to oversee rebuilding at Ground Zero.

The LMDC, in cooperation with the World Trade Center Memorial Foundation, will build the 9/11 memorial and memorial museum. Another key player, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, will build the Freedom Tower, designed by Skidmore Owings & Merrill, the PATH transit terminal designed by Santiago Calatrava, and sub-surface infrastructure for the whole site.

This revised plan was included in the LMDC’s “Final Report,” outlining its activity since 2001. Although the agency has largely closed its operations, allocating many of its duties to other agencies and private corporations, it continues to administer grants and supervise several downtown projects.




http://archrecord.construction.com/news/daily/archives/070410freedom.asp

I was by the site yesterday. Great to see the work progressing and know that reconstruction is underway. I think this complex will be a wonderful addition to downtown and much nicer from a pedestrian perspective than what I've seen of the old WTC.

Nice pictures, good update

those are pics are extremely cool..

The renderings are great, including the "river shot", i've heard that soon they will start on tower 4 or the one by the japanese architect, on the southeast corner, i heard this summer. But with my experence in construction, i figure about a year before we see anything substantialy above grade, there is still alot of subgrade work, and the trains must stay in operation during this prosess.

I always seem to be the contrarian but I guess that's my lot in life. I looked at the render on the previous page (especially the river shot) and when you put these buildings in with the rest of the buildings in the immediate area I think these new WTC buildings look like crap.

Too bad the designs didn't take into consideration the surrounding architecture. I hope the purpose was to have them stick out, because they certainly do.

I always seem to be the contrarian but I guess that's my lot in life. I looked at the render on the previous page (especially the river shot) and when you put these buildings in with the rest of the buildings in the immediate area I think these new WTC buildings look like crap.

Too bad the designs didn't take into consideration the surrounding architecture. I hope the purpose was to have them stick out, because they certainly do.

I would agree, at first i liked the idea of 4 towers of graduating height, with the same cladding, for instance tower 1 at 120 foors and then down to 60 floors in tower 4, like the Libskind proposal, but with another architect, like Norman Foster, but this will do, also when this project is complete, (around the year 3000 the way its going) the renderings won't do the towers justice as shown.

Will the other towers in the WTC complex also have a concrete core? If so we will have to wait forever and a day like the Freedom Tower.

Is anything going on at the FT site, because for the past 2 weeks their has been no progress:ohno:

^ When have you ever seen the foundation for a skyscraper complete in 2 weeks? It takes time. So learn how to be patient.

^ When have you ever seen the foundation for a skyscraper complete in 2 weeks? It takes time. So learn how to be patient.

About how much longer till the foundation is complete?

A year. More or less.

I know some of you will see me as a partypooper, but despite the kangaroo crane, there hasn't been that much foundation work. I have been to the WTC site on Sunday and after looking at it from the Vessy St Br and the Winter Garden, there wasn't that much there except for concrete casting. This portion does not need a kangaroo crane for that. Seeing that it won't rise for almost another year, only supports the crane being up prematurely even more.

The crane will rise with the core i believe. So they placed it now before the core starts rising. Since it is set to reach street level, the next month and a half will probably be tell tale of what will happen on the site. This thing should start rising very soon.

I didn't see it here in this topic, but I came across this live webcam:

http://www.instacam.com/instacamimg/NYPBR/NYPBR_l.jpg

Those renders are incredible!!

Plus you must consider that much of the tower footings are special, due to the train tracks, IE load transfer footings, and outrigger trusses, that are not only critical but also time consuming to install, as opposed to a semetrical footing layout.

is it 82 or 102 floors??

It is 82 floors with only 69 of them being occupied.

Not exactly.



> 1st-19th floors - Podium (not fully used)
> 20th-63rd floors - Offices
> 64th floor - Sky lobby
> 65th - 88th floors - Offices
> 89th and 90th floors - Transmission equipment
> 91st - 100th floors - Mech
> 100th - 101st floors - Restaurant
> 102nd floor - Observation deck
> 103rd - 108th floors - Mech


102 floors in total because they aren't counting anything above the observation deck.

http://i19.tinypic.com/4pcfqeh.jpg

nice, but your missing something

Most likely the fact that i should have submitted this design a few years ago :lol:

i only did a quick mock up, i hate that building with the slanted roof next to freedom tower.. no offence, but it just looks like half the top has collapsed and ur left with that... not exactly appropriate imo.. so i prefere this "trident of freedom" design.. makes sense to me, going from 2 towers to 3 =)

Renderings are ok but IMO tey should have rebuilt the twin towers.

Those four buildings look like four random buildings.

http://i19.tinypic.com/4pcfqeh.jpg

Its looks stupid. Nice trying though.

^^ OUCH thats gotta hurt....i think twins would have been good enough in my opinion....with about 200ft more feet to ceiling height and 100ft less of spire height.

ember-to-ashes, your idea is wack.. "trident of freedom"? no offense, but come on dude

trident of freedom?? The religious right would think it is the devils work nd be offended.... So I am all for it :D:D

haha well i dont beleive in religion watesoever so i think its a good idea =P

the only thing i thought of was putting 3 towers insted of 2, with one being taller to make it stand out, i noticed it looked like a trident, which to me has always been a strong symbol.. and then "trident of freedom" just came out of my little creative mind! lol

http://i19.tinypic.com/4pcfqeh.jpg

nice work ember but would find it better when only one of the 3 towers would have a spire

yeh i agree actually, the middle tower only having a spire would make it better.. =)

does anyone else agree that the slanted foor building next to freedom tower doesnt quite fit in

I agree. It would look much better if theу build an identical next to Freedom Tower, without the spire, instead of the slanted one.

yeh i agree actually, the middle tower only having a spire would make it better.. =)

does anyone else agree that the slanted foor building next to freedom tower doesnt quite fit inOr keep the spires for the other two buildings but make the spires shorter by 1/2. I like the tri design though.

I like the slanted roof building. I think if a poll was done, most people would pick this one as their favorite, this is based upon the opinions that I have read. I think it does match freedom tower to some extent because both have triangular patterns.

Your 3 towers render is ridiculous.

Your 3 towers render is ridiculous.

Thanks =) it matches ur avatar then :lol:

downtown NY is gonna look bonkers...utterly bonkers.

3 freedom towers...now that would be some crazy ish. powerful but costly.

They're still not going to lose that ugly block at the bottom?

Grrrrrrr.....

:ohno:

And yes, there needs to be more supertalls there - a new 'exclamation point' for the skyline. Without the old 'twins', even with these, NYC is just a big mass of unremarkable buildings whereas Chicago has CHARACTER!

Mike

Chicago? Please. NY and London are the true international cities. Chicago is pure America and is a haven for people from Ohio, Indiana, Wisconsin, etc. I read a hilarious comment that the Olympics would give Chicago an international profile. New Yorkers didn't even want the Olympics here. Anyway, to mention NY and Chicago in the same breath, in any respect, is pointless.

I know some of you will see me as a partypooper, but despite the kangaroo crane, there hasn't been that much foundation work. I have been to the WTC site on Sunday and after looking at it from the Vessy St Br and the Winter Garden, there wasn't that much there except for concrete casting. This portion does not need a kangaroo crane for that. Seeing that it won't rise for almost another year, only supports the crane being up prematurely even more.

No crane is ever placed on a jobsite "prematurely", the costs are to high, if it's there it's being used.(to move formwork, and rebar, structural elements, etc.)

Yeah... Let's Ren-cen New York...

Thanks =) it matches ur avatar then :lol:

Thanks!
It's the new french tendancy haircut.

http://i19.tinypic.com/6ferssn.jpg

Well that certainly makes the skyline much better. I didn't ever realize how pathetic the current skyline is. All the buildings are pretty short and ugly.

Well that certainly makes the skyline much better. I didn't ever realize how pathetic the current skyline is. All the buildings are pretty short and ugly.

That's absurd. There are many buildings downtown between 800 and 900 feet tall, and scores of classic Pre-WWII skyscrapers. No city in the world has a skyline with buildings that rival downtowns. The details on those buildings is unparalleled.

Click this site to see some of them: www.nyc-architecture.com Look under the Lower Manhattan and Seaport sections.

^^ Um, there are only 12 buildings over 800 feet in the whole city and I think midtown has more than downtown. A little overzealous are we :lol:

Yeah... Let's Ren-cen New York...

Exactly my thoughts. Why would anyone think that is even good looking is beyond me.

Exactly my thoughts. Why would anyone think that is even good looking is beyond me.

I admit that while the designs of the WTC site were being decided, I was hoping for buildings that matched, or were very similar. I then visited Detroit, and saw the effect of the Rennaissance Center on it's skyline firsthand..

What a horrible thing it would have been to inflict that kind of "damage" on New York... and to think that the Rencen is about half the size of the WTC!

Anyone who thinks that New York should have 3 or 4 Freedom towers or even another design duplicated on a massive scale, look no further than Detroit's Rencen. The WTC designers absolutely did the right thing by putting several very different supertalls on the site. You can like or dislike the individual designs all you want, but they will fit in and compliment the architectural fabric of New York. A matching and massive complex of buildings 1300'+ tall would dominate the skyline, and look terribly oppressive.

edit - threw in a few pics of Detroit.

http://www.detroithomesguide.com/img/detroit-skyline.jpg
http://photo.net/photo/pcd0737/detroit-skyline-tight-2.3.jpg
http://www.3k.org/OMP/2005/images/detroit_skyline.jpg

very nice. good choice of towers NY

Well that certainly makes the skyline much better. I didn't ever realize how pathetic the current skyline is. All the buildings are pretty short and ugly.

If you were to put the Chase Manhatten building, (the tallest exsisting slab in the photo) in downtown Los Angeles, it would dominate the skyline, at 60 floors, 814' tall, with 3.5 million sq. ft. of office space, sheathed in glass and stainless steel, it's hardly short, and most definately one of the best international style office towers of the mid 20th century.!!!!!

That's absurd. There are many buildings downtown between 800 and 900 feet tall, and scores of classic Pre-WWII skyscrapers. No city in the world has a skyline with buildings that rival downtowns. The details on those buildings is unparalleled.

Click this site to see some of them: www.nyc-architecture.com Look under the Lower Manhattan and Seaport sections.

totoally with U

If you were to put the Chase Manhatten building, (the tallest exsisting slab in the photo) in downtown Los Angeles, it would dominate the skyline, at 60 floors, 814' tall, with 3.5 million sq. ft. of office space, sheathed in glass and stainless steel, it's hardly short, and most definately one of the best international style office towers of the mid 20th century.!!!!!

It doesn't take much to dominate the LA skyline.

totoally with U

Me too... Other cities around the world would like to have the kind of buildings that NYC has...

Looking at the earth cam, it looks as though they are getting the other half of the core ready for the 2nd tower crane. Its been outlined like the 1st tower base was about two weeks before it rose. It may be closer than we think.


http://www.earthcam.net/users2/interface.php?i=0&id=445&projectid=202&clientid=158

It doesn't take much to dominate the LA skyline.

Everybody always rants on LA. for not having a sufficient amount of skyscrapers in it's arsenal. You all must remember that NYC is a vertical city designed for subway use, where LA is a horizontal megalopolis built for the automobile. In many aspects Los Angeles is considered a more urban environment than NYC.

But...back to the Freedom Tower>>>

Tuff act to follow
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/167/482802820_44da86b411_o.jpg

BUT THIS IS NYC>>>
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/226/482034470_a2ce64404a_o.jpg

Everybody always rants on LA. for not having a sufficient amount of skyscrapers in it's arsenal. You all must remember that NYC is a vertical city designed for subway use, where LA is a horizontal megalopolis built for the automobile. In many aspects Los Angeles is considered a more urban environment than NYC.



I'm not "ranting on LA". I am from LA myself, and it is just a simple fact that it doesn't have much of a skyline. There's tons of flat land down here so they've never really built upwards with a passion. There's nothing wrong with that, I'm just pointing out that LA is a poor example to use when talking about "dominating" buildings.

Lets also not forget that until 1958, buildings were limited to 150 feet due to city ordinance. That combined with earthquake risk has historically kept the skyline low until recently.

I'm not just pointing at you, I hear the question all the time by people who live outside the county, "why is LA's skyline soo weak?". People just have to understand that LA is a different kind of urban environment than Chi-Town and NYC.

That weird life ring looking thing at the base of the spire looks hideous.

I love the picture of new WTC complex model... Can't wait to see all of them to get built! :)

I dont belive in this project they never start???

I dont belive in this project they never start???

No offense. But a simple flip of 5 pages and I am sure you will see this project started quite a while ago. How many times does this have to be said?

it will prolly be said forever. We will have 4 towers and there will be people saying "its a government conspiracy, i dont belive the towers exist"

Here are some rarely seen renderings:

The base:
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/78009053/original.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/78009066/original.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/64463214/large.jpg

The top:
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/62776423/large.jpg

The lobby:
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/78077798/original.jpg

Observation deck:
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/78077746/original.jpg

Nice renders...

it will prolly be said forever. We will have 4 towers and there will be people saying "its a government conspiracy, i dont belive the towers exist"

^^ :lol:

Wow.... Very beautiful rendering! It making me wanting to touch it in reality.

I dont belive in this project they never start???

I recommend spending a day behind the groundzero cam. there not much progress, but they are working on it.

My biggest beef with the towers is no symmetry in the buildings. Each one is fine by itself but as a whole they don't work for me.

great renders, thank you for posting

Nice renders, Threehundred :)

The renders are amazing. However, the only thing I dont like is that WTC2 is directley behind the FT. Resulting in one of the towers being blocked depending on your viewpoint.

wow, those are beautiful renders..

Can someone give us an idea of just how strong and massive this building really is? Because, looking in the earthcam, the site looks so small because the WTC site is so large.

the base is the same size as the old WTC towers, although it tapers further up

the base is the same size as the old WTC towers, although it tapers further up

Thanks. If you look at the earthcam, it looks like they have outlined another part of the base directly north of where the 2nd tower crane will be. It parralells with the remaining parking garage. Is that apart of the core as well?

http://www.earthcam.net/users2/interface.php?i=0&id=445&projectid=202&clientid=158

this tower has a 400ft spire on top....i was against:tiasd: seeing that the Sears tower lost out to the P Twins....now the SWFC will lose out to the FT ....see the irony..o well

Thanks. If you look at the earthcam, it looks like they have outlined another part of the base directly north of where the 2nd tower crane will be. It parralells with the remaining parking garage. Is that apart of the core as well?

http://www.earthcam.net/users2/interface.php?i=0&id=445&projectid=202&clientid=158

Yes that is indeed part of the core, in fact i believe the second crane will be built in that area. Aso the core is much larger than whats there right now, once they finish the core the concrete sub floors and stell beams will start going up.

this tower has a 400ft spire on top....i was against:tiasd: seeing that the Sears tower lost out to the P Twins....now the SWFC will lose out to the FT ....see the irony..o well

Yes, I know the feeling, although Sears tower looks taller, only because a thin spire, the title was stolen away by the Petronas. The same will happen with the Freedom tower and the SWFC as you said. I'd propose to change the rules for the official height of a building: Spires count, but only for half the height. For example, a spire measures 60 meters, the official height for that building would only add 30 meters to it's height.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/226/482034470_a2ce64404a_o.jpg

This has to be the best thing I've ever seen. I love tower 2 in that shot. Add WTC Tower 5 and all of the other new towers downtown close to the WTC and by 2011 and the DT skyline will be more amazing than any other place in the world, perhaps including Midtown, but who knows what we'll be seeing there...

Construction is going to start on most of the towers in December and I hear that they have been changed a little (ex: "wings on tower 2"). I hope we get new renderings/models.

T2 and 3 are the best. Thanks, UK. Look at how tall and mighty they stand. Thank the gods that the first few plans were dumpped, you know, the ones where the FT was just a 60-story building with a 1,000-foot spire on it and all of the other towers were around 800' tall. We NYers got so lucky. The first WTC masterplan would have scarred us for life. Also, keep in mind that the top of FT (w/o the spire) is still 1,400' tall, which is really damn tall, taller than the Twins, and cite that the building is skinner, which will make it look taller.

T2 is amazing form this view:
http://wtc.com/images/popup/img_downloads/enlarged_img/202000-pu.jpg

What a view we will have in a year, all of the cranes and workers. I hope that they all get lit up well when completed.

My biggest beef with the towers is no symmetry in the buildings. Each one is fine by itself but as a whole they don't work for me.

so what would you suggest then? buildings that looks similar?...
I know what you mean, but this much design diversity, and height, ya cant go wrong.

so what would you suggest then? buildings that looks similar?...
I know what you mean, but this much design diversity, and height, ya cant go wrong.

I don't like the tapering on 1 WTC - it should be square all the way up (and lose that block at the bottom!). Also, are there going to be occupied floors all the way up in it? I do recall the truly maddening discussions from a couple of years ago of a big chunk of that main building's height being unoccupied air.

I do like the others as separate free-standing buildings, too, and they would have also worked wonderfully elsewhere in the Downtown area had the 'Twins' still been there.

Mike

dont get me wrong im still excited to have the FT u/c however i just withed it was an antenna to play by the "rules"......as for WT 2/3 i think the are the best looking....and its a relief to hear that something will happen to those buildings before the end of the year....i can only imagine the sight of 3 supertall all within 1000 ft being constucted at one time....GO USA GO USA
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It looks as though the area directly south of the crane is already beggining to rise:banana:


http://www.earthcam.net/users2/interface.php?i=0&id=445&projectid=202&clientid=158

^^ I can't see it from this live webcam.

^^ I can't see it from this live webcam.


Zoom in and look directly below the crane.

Oh my god!!! These towers looks great, I hope to see rising in New York's skyline soon.

Zoom in and look directly below the crane.

I see it now. Thanks! :)

whats the building being built by the north west corner of ground zero?

I'd propose to change the rules for the official height of a building: Spires count, but only for half the height. For example, a spire measures 60 meters, the official height for that building would only add 30 meters to it's height.

No offense, but that's pretty lame. Height is height. Period. It would make far more sense to include radio towers along with spires.

WTC 1 is very slow in progress. I know that constructing the foundations of a high rise takes a lot of time, but with this building it takes forever.
Is there any reason it goes very slow. I have the feeling that is has a kind of political reason.
It is a good moment to see WTC 1 reach street level, then it will go faster.

whats the building being built by the north west corner of ground zero?

Goldaman Sachs new hq

WTC 1 is very slow in progress. I know that constructing the foundations of a high rise takes a lot of time, but with this building it takes forever.
Is there any reason it goes very slow. I have the feeling that is has a kind of political reason.
It is a good moment to see WTC 1 reach street level, then it will go faster.

Theres a train that runs on the footprint of this tower, and that train line must be kept running at all times. That is why its taking so long initially.

Everybody always rants on LA. for not having a sufficient amount of skyscrapers in it's arsenal. You all must remember that NYC is a vertical city designed for subway use, where LA is a horizontal megalopolis built for the automobile. In many aspects Los Angeles is considered a more urban environment than NYC.

But...back to the Freedom Tower>>>

Tuff act to follow
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/167/482802820_44da86b411_o.jpg

BUT THIS IS NYC>>>
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/226/482034470_a2ce64404a_o.jpg


Also the Century City theme towers, designed by Minoru Yamasaki as well and built at the same time as the WTC, in west LA, boasts one of the largest, deepest ( 7 levels ) excavations in the U.S. and twin 600', 44 floor office towers, with 3+ million sq. ft. of space, by far the largest office building(s) on the west coast.

Nice renders and all but they need to start building man.... because the rate off construction resembles a snail pase............

mixed feelings about this.....

cheers... i gues.... :cheers:

I must admit that having recently read an autobiography of Libeskind whos original masterplan was sensational, the only design I have true respect for is that of the Foster tower. It is the only one that follows the path set out by Libeskind of having the roof such that it slopes towards the site of the former towers in deference to the tradgedy that occurred, and IMO the tower is the best of them all for following that. To see so much of the masterplan destoyed is such a shame as it was truely a well thought out and emotive plan, now I feel much of the veiled symbolism that he strived to include has been lost, and to the detriment of the scheme.

One WTC has some nice features, such as the slight twist. But other than that it is remarkably dull, the top looks awful and the base looks fortified, which I know it is for security reasons, but more should have been done to minimise it. Corporate bland IMO, which is a shame. The Foster one, should be great and the rogers one should have enchanting detail, perhaps even colour that will help the area - tho I am dubious of the shape.

I will watch with interest and may well change my opinions, but I do feal the masterplan has lost the Libeskind essence that made people pick it in the first place.

Not exactly.



> 1st-19th floors - Podium (not fully used)
> 20th-63rd floors - Offices
> 64th floor - Sky lobby
> 65th - 88th floors - Offices
> 89th and 90th floors - Transmission equipment
> 91st - 100th floors - Mech
> 100th - 101st floors - Restaurant
> 102nd floor - Observation deck
> 103rd - 108th floors - Mech


102 floors in total because they aren't counting anything above the observation deck.
I would like to see the source for this information, b/c this is not what I have been hearing from the media or anything about this.

http://www.glasssteelandstone.com/BuildingDetail/439.php

Many credible media sources (Go search for articles from the time that the latest version of this tower was released to the public - around late 2006, I think.) have stated that the observation deck is 102 and the restaurant is on 100 and 101 and that that's more on top of that.

The design is like Shanghai WTC like the latter looks better. NYC can do better than that.

http://www.glasssteelandstone.com/BuildingDetail/439.php

Many credible media sources (Go search for articles from the time that the latest version of this tower was released to the public - around late 2006, I think.) have stated that the observation deck is 102 and the restaurant is on 100 and 101 and that that's more on top of that.

wow 108F

Now I am 100% sure that the FT has over 102 floors (but 102 will be the final number, most likely; it says 108 on Glass Steel and Stone, and also on SkyscraperPage). This is drectly from the PANYNJ (they just updated their site a few hours ago and added it):



"Building Features: A public observation deck on the 102nd floor, a skyline restaurant on the 100th and 101st floors and an antenna mast rising to an iconic height of 1,776 feet. All floors will be served by elevators. The Skylobby on the 64th floor serves as a dramatic entrance for the office floors
above."

I suppose they mean "spire" instead of "antenna" since the com antennas circle the spire.

Someone fix the title!



New info:

Owner/Landlord: 1 World Trade Center LLC, a wholly owned subsidiary of The Port
Authority of New York & New Jersey.

Floor Sizes: Available Size Ranges
Floors (Usable Square Feet) (Usable Square Meters)
47 – 51 32,255 – 32,877 2,996 – 3,054
52 – 56 26,819 – 31,913 2,491 – 2,965
57 – 61 26,623 – 31,138 2,473 – 2,893
62 – 66 25,886 – 29,774 2,405 – 2,766
67 – 72 27,245 – 29,151 2,531 – 2,704
73 – 77 27,146 – 28,323 2,522 – 2,631
78 – 82 24,990 – 26,534 2,322 – 2,465
83 – 88 23,971 – 25,072 2,227 – 2,329

Ceiling Height: Typical 13’ 4” slab to slab.

Column Spacing: Typical 30’ x 30’ column bays.

Lobby: The street-level office lobby features a 50-foot ceiling and entrances
on all four sides of the building.

Notable Security Enhanced structural connections at the core and columns, alternative
Features load paths, hardened columns and slabs at grade and below-grade
(Construction): spaces to increase structural robustness. An interconnected stair
system that allows for multiple building exit points along with many other
life/safety features.

http://www.glasssteelandstone.com/BuildingDetail/439.php

Many credible media sources (Go search for articles from the time that the latest version of this tower was released to the public - around late 2006, I think.) have stated that the observation deck is 102 and the restaurant is on 100 and 101 and that that's more on top of that.

That site also says that it is 82 floors. My guess is that the other 20 floors is really a crown. Come to think about it even reminds me of the original Gardens of the World to which they said that the so-called 110th floor was really a small part on the glass spire. Otherwise, why else wouldn't it count if it wasn't a real floor?

I must admit that having recently read an autobiography of Libeskind whos original masterplan was sensational....

....I will watch with interest and may well change my opinions, but I do feal the masterplan has lost the Libeskind essence that made people pick it in the first place.

http://www.renewnyc.com/images/plan_des_images/selected_sig4.jpg

^ crap

I'm glad they redesign this complex because the orginal plan is very plain and unattractive. I won't feel better if they replaced WTC complex with that design... I'm feeling somewhat better with newer design... Just wish WTC 4 would get redesigned then I'd be satisfied with the rest of this complex design.

People didn't pick Libeskind in the first place. Former Governor Pataki picked him because they were friends. With that said, I like the plan better now than I did before.

People didn't pick Libeskind in the first place. Former Governor Pataki picked him because they were friends. With that said, I like the plan better now than I did before.

Are you serious that he chose him because they were friends? That is wrong reason.

It's not like Gov. Pataki would ever admit it, so I guess we don't truly know, but I do know a lot of people who feel that way.

I don't think governor should get involved this project because it is not HIS property... Who owns this WTC complex? Rochfellers? Let him to decide what he wants to do HIS property not the governor.

LOL Too late now!!!

I don't think governor should get involved this project because it is not HIS property... Who owns this WTC complex? Rochfellers? Let him to decide what he wants to do HIS property not the governor.

Rochfellers? lol. Governor has a huge say. The land is owned by the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey a bistate entity that must answer to both governors. So the governor has every right to comment on what goes there.

Hey Guys! No new pics in the last 5 pages! :bash: :lol: Someone please post some! I'm going to see it next month, but I'm just tooo bloody anxious... :banana:

in reality there are 82 floors but it will called 102 storeys because alot of the mechanical floors are triple height and are counted as 3 floors.

Hey Guys! No new pics in the last 5 pages! :bash: :lol: Someone please post some! I'm going to see it next month, but I'm just tooo bloody anxious... :banana:

http://www.earthcam.net/users2/interface.php?i=0&id=445&projectid=202&clientid=158

look at the webcam ;)

Webcam: Things are happening :banana: :banana: :banana:

http://freenet-homepage.de/tobyas333/Unbenannt2.gif

The second tower crane base :D

:banana:, fantastic!! hopefully it'll start to rise when all cranes are completed
better pic:

http://i14.tinypic.com/6c5lj0k.jpg

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PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEESE somebody kill those damn bananas, peppers or whatever they are. Can't you guys type words that express that you are excited or angry or happy about something? Those smiley things are for eight year olds who can't type well enough to get their feelings across.

Phew, vent over.

Glad to see the building is starting to progress.

bout time we see some progress.....so how long till the put the spire on here....:lol: :lol:

bout time we see some progress.....so how long till the put the spire on here....:lol: :lol:

PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEESE somebody kill those damn bananas, peppers or whatever they are. Can't you guys type words that express that you are excited or angry or happy about something? Those smiley things are for eight year olds who can't type well enough to get their feelings across.

Phew, vent over.

Glad to see the building is starting to progress.

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Well... some one had to :)

I really DID ask for that didn't I?

I really DID ask for that didn't I?

Now that was funny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We love that webcam!!!

YAY!!!!!!! :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

WOW!!!!!! Today is great day!!! Today City of Chicago councils approved Chicago Spires and will start build it within few weeks from now... Now Freedom Tower is getting built... Soon another supertalls next to Freedom Tower will get built too... GREAT DAY FOR USA! :cheers:

Good news indeed. :cheers:

http://www.renewnyc.com/images/plan_des_images/selected_sig4.jpg

LoL. The biggest crap I`ve ever seen! :bash:
God be thankful this plan won`t be build.

^ that plan was just a compositional plan....but the current plan follows this one closely IMO

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:lol:

Jeez, calm down.

yeah.....


bananas are phalic.

there should be a dancing penis and just get it over with.

Although rebuffed originally, I will continue my worldwide campaign to rid forums of those bananas.

LoL. The biggest crap I`ve ever seen! :bash:
God be thankful this plan won`t be build.



weren't that only placeholders?

Viracon picked for Freedom Tower

1M square feet of glass will make this one of the biggest projects in company history

by Jason Kroeker
Press Staff Writer

Owatonna, MN. - The future Freedom Tower on the World Trade Center site in New York City will be covered in glass manufactured in Owatonna.

Viracon was recently chosen by a contractor to supply the architectural glass for the new World Trade Center Tower One, also known as the Freedom Tower. The Owatonna-based company already supplied glass for the World Trade Center Tower Seven building, which opened last year.

All of the glass for the Freedom Tower will be manufactured at Viracon's Owatonna facility. Marketing Manager Christine Shaffer said the company will begin work on the Freedom Tower glass in 2008. The company will produce about 1 million square feet pf glass for the buildings, making it one of the biggest projects in Viracon history.

Viracon was chosen for the project by Benson Industries of Portland, Ore. Benson is handling the curtain wall for the building and decided to award the glass contract to Viracon.

"They've been a long-time partner of ours," said Lou Niles, President and CEO of Benson. "They provide a quality product."

The glass will be fabricated in Owatonna then sent to Portland where it will be assembled into frames before being shipped to New York City.

Shaffer said that there is a trend in the industry to use larger glass. Viracon has been updating its equipment over the last few years to handle large glass like the kind that is needed for the Freedom Tower.

"The equipment is already in place" said Shaffer.

When completed, the Freedom Tower will be the tallest building in North America at 1,776 feet, according to the architectural firm htat is designing the building. the height was chosen to match to match the year of the United States' Declaration of Independence. Construction is expected to finish in 2011, according to the World Trade Center Web site. Shaffer said the number of floors was not being released yet.

The Sears Tower is currently the largest building in North America. The Chicago office building is 1,450 feet.

The Freedom Tower is the first of four buildings scheduled to be constructed at the site of the twin towers. Viracon is on proposals for the three additional buildings to be constructed at the World Trade Center site.

Besides the World Trade Center buildings, Shaffer said that Viracon has supplied glass for several other buildings in Manhattan and other cities around the world. (Taipei 101, Taipei, Taiwan; Mandalay Bay, Las Vegas, USA; International Finance Centre and Central Plaza, Hong Kong, China; Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, USA. Just to name a few.)

"Besides the World Trade Center buildings, Shaffer said that Viracon has supplied glass for several other buildings in Manhattan and other cities around the world. (Taipei 101, Taipei, Taiwan; Mandalay Bay, Las Vegas, USA; International Finance Centre and Central Plaza, Hong Kong, China; Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, USA. Just to name a few.)"

the facade for Taipe 101 came from a german firm!!!

Please be my guest and check out the Viracon Website (www.viracon.com)

This is straight from the site:

Standing at 1,667 feet, Taipei 101 was designed to resemble a bamboo stalk - reflecting the plant's strength and vitality. It reaches up 101 stories and is home to the Taiwan Stock exchange, private offices and a very large shopping mall. The curtainwall on the structure was designed to withstand the high wind conditions of a very tall building in a typhoon region. Viracon worked with the contractor for more than three years prior to being officially awarded the supply contract, and most of that time was spent providing engineered calculations that focused on the strength of the glass. Adding to the complexity were the very large glass units, averaging 40 square feet a piece. The combination of the unit size and the wind conditions necessitated thicker than typical glass substrates creating extremely heavy glass units. In addition, the spandrel areas of the building required a custom ceramic frit product to meet the distinctive design intent of the architect.

Project:
Taipei Financial Center
8, Sung-Chih Road
Taipei, Taiwan

Glass Type:
VE6-2M

Architect:
C.Y. Lee & Partners

Glazing Contractor:
Josef Gartner & Co. (HK) Ltd, Taiwan Branch

http://www.josef-gartner.de/presse121103-5e.htm ;)

The base for the second tower crane has been placed:

From SSP
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/219/491228477_09d0b34b03.jpg?v=0

Hey, that pic is incredible!!!

I hope that they clean up the site a little bit because it is a bit messy.

Well I hoped that they built another twin but then higher (like 550 Meters in height) and even more bulkier but this chain off projects does its job fine too :D

Cheers New Yorkians (Former New Amsterdam :D) :cheers:

Hey, that pic is incredible!!!

it's a webcam ;)

It's going... :cheers:

hm the New Yorkers are the fastest crane builder ;)
yesterday(?) they put the base there and today the crane began to rise

The New Yorkers are the fastest crane builder ;)
Yesterday(?) they put the base there and today the crane began to rise
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/6567/newyorkfreedom11maikl0.th.gif (http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newyorkfreedom11maikl0.gif)

i hope the FT rises as fast as that crane does...one question will the Sears Tower still hold the highest occupiced floor....well at least here in the US...?

i hope the FT rises as fast as that crane does...one question will the Sears Tower still hold the highest occupiced floor....well at least here in the US...?

Until chicago spire at least.

The New Yorkers are the fastest crane builder ;)
Yesterday(?) they put the base there and today the crane began to rise
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/6567/newyorkfreedom11maikl0.th.gif (http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newyorkfreedom11maikl0.gif)

hopefully the other 2 cranes will comes also so fast

Can someone tell me...do I have this roughly correct?

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/8678/wtcsiterv0.jpg

I wonder, can anyone get a closer shot into the hole, so i can better tell whats going on,!!!!?

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/3866/12la9.jpg

I cant believe it things are finally happening.

So we should hope for not upcoming delays.

Wow, the concrete operations on the base of this thing are going to take a while, this is a huge core area, we may not see any structural steel (other than riser columns) for several months, this core is very large, if i remember correctly around 25'000 sq. ft. IE lots of subgrade form work.!!

Can someone tell me...do I have this roughly correct?

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/8678/wtcsiterv0.jpg

Okay, and then WTC 5 is still to come. Where will this tower be placed?
Thanks, Andi

http://wtc.com/images/popup/img_downloads/enlarged_img/170000-pu.jpg

It's the tower all the way on the bottom (130 Liberty Street). It will have over 50 floors and will be over 700 feet tall for sure. If you were to extend that map a few more blocks outward, there would be at least five other towers over 600' being built/proposed.

http://img336.imageshack.us/img336/8477/view1ry6.jpg

At this rate, they will easily be finished with the second crane tommorow.:cheers:

http://img336.imageshack.us/img336/8477/view1ry6.jpg



Cool rendering, but it's not what I'd call accurate.

http://wtc.com/images/popup/img_downloads/enlarged_img/170000-pu.jpg

It's the tower all the way on the bottom (130 Liberty Street). It will have over 50 floors and will be over 700 feet tall for sure. If you were to extend that map a few more blocks outward, there would be at least five other towers over 600' being built/proposed.
Is that where the Deutsch Bank building is/was?

Mike

Man..heaven forbid NY ended up with any of the other versions of the Freedom Tower.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2006/01/03/opinion/20051230_oped_TOWERS.gif

Im glad Libibenski wasnt the architect the design he did looked to much like a sculpture rather then an actaul building.

Okay, and then WTC 5 is still to come. Where will this tower be placed?
Thanks, Andi

nice arieal....helps alot to see the placement of the Twins to the realative lots of the new complex:)

Im glad Libibenski wasnt the architect the design he did looked to much like a sculpture rather then an actaul building.


Well if you can't get it right after 4 tries, they should find someone else.

Mr. Childs' design is simple, elegant, and it doesn't look like a damaged building. Deconstructionism is THE most retarded idea for any of these WTC buildings. As if anyone wanted a constant visual reminder of terrible things dominating the lower Manhattan skyline.

Looks like this going to be the final design. What a pity ! I wonder why such an iconic building should have a stick on its head ? Build all the way up man ! LVT looks much better than this design.

^ The original WTC has a stick on it's head too. What's the big deal?

The roof height is the same as the old One WTC (417m). So they wanted to keep that height, which I think is more important than trying to compete.

Looks like this going to be the final design. What a pity ! I wonder why such an iconic building should have a stick on its head ? Build all the way up man ! LVT looks much better than this design.

Bet Lvt stays on the drawing boards, sparky.

how many changes in the design of the tower... I never saw the design of august 2003.

The roof height is the same as the old One WTC (417m). So they wanted to keep that height, which I think is more important than trying to compete.

Good point!;)

When are going to start the others 3 towers? And when will be finished?

About the height of the freedom tower I wonder: if is the same (417m) than the old one, with "only" 77 floors: which is the office storey heigh? And the first base storeis and upper levels heigh? (Looks very much, about 8 meters per level) Can anyone explain me the seccion and levels of the proyect?

Thanks

the other towers will start by end of this year. completion date probably 2011 or later

Floor breakdown

* Sublevels - Garage/Retail/Transportation
* Ground Floor - Main Lobby
* 1st-19th Floors (Base) - Podium (Not Occupied on the base except for lobby)
* 20th-63rd Floors - Offices
* 64th Floor - Sky lobby
* 65th - 88th Floors - Offices
* 89th and 90th Floors - Transmission equipment
* 91st - 100th Floors - Mechanical
* 100th - 101st Floors - Restaurant
* 102nd Floor - Observation deck
* 103rd - 108th Floors - Mechanical (Unoccupied)
* Top of the Building - Observation deck Two (Proposed)



I thought it wasnt gonna have a parking garage, but I guess I was wrong.

http://www.renewnyc.com/images/plan_des_images/selected_sig4.jpg

Thanks for the pic :)

The point was never for the finished thing to look exactly like that, it was an indicitive masterplan of how the buildings should be arranged and a few other ideas about how the site could be re-developed sensitively but effectively. It contained a great degree of emotion, symbolism and thought in it that many people appear now to have forgotten about. It was a powerful masterplan that would have made this a really special place with lots of hidden messages, that is what Danny does best, putting emotion into buildings. Instead we have emotionless blocks in a very sensitive location. I have no doubt that it will look pretty good but it will have lost much of the integrity of Libeskinds plan. I always felt that the sloping roofs were a great idea and would be a pointer on the skyline to a very important place. The idea was that the individual architects would have free reign but should try to keep the slope, only Foster obliged which is sad IMO. The spire on the freedom tower, its orientation, proportions etc was supposed to echo the thrust of the statue of liberty. I think it is a grave shame that people didn't appreciate these details.

Please tell me the main tower is 1776 feet and not some stupid arbitrary number.

Thanks for the pic :)

The point was never for the finished thing to look exactly like that, it was an indicitive masterplan of how the buildings should be arranged and a few other ideas about how the site could be re-developed sensitively but effectively. It contained a great degree of emotion, symbolism and thought in it that many people appear now to have forgotten about. It was a powerful masterplan that would have made this a really special place with lots of hidden messages, that is what Danny does best, putting emotion into buildings. Instead we have emotionless blocks in a very sensitive location. I have no doubt that it will look pretty good but it will have lost much of the integrity of Libeskinds plan. I always felt that the sloping roofs were a great idea and would be a pointer on the skyline to a very important place. The idea was that the individual architects would have free reign but should try to keep the slope, only Foster obliged which is sad IMO. The spire on the freedom tower, its orientation, proportions etc was supposed to echo the thrust of the statue of liberty. I think it is a grave shame that people didn't appreciate these details.

Please tell me the main tower is 1776 feet and not some stupid arbitrary number.

The height of the Freedom Tower is at the thread title at the top of the page, but I'll save you the time and tell you it is 1776 feet. The current plan still holds many of libeskind original ideas for the site, but in all honesty, except for the freedom tower, the other towers were placeholders. He even stated this himself, the only one that was even sort of designed was the Freedom Towers, but the slanting roofs of the others were just a mock up of buildings and by no means of what they should look like (thank god).

http://www.josef-gartner.de/presse121103-5e.htm ;)

umm the company in Germany designed the metal portions of the facade, producing it in several locations , and Viracon produced the glass.

Quote from the site

Most of the glass was purchased in the USA. The elements themselves were produced for the most part in Thailand, Taiwan, Singapore and southern China. The aluminium profiles were prefabricated and coated in Thailand and the stainless steel elements were produced in southern China. Most of the special elements were assembled at the new factory in Taiwan.

People didn't pick Libeskind in the first place. Former Governor Pataki picked him because they were friends. With that said, I like the plan better now than I did before.

Someone should give this person a prize for being one of the few besides myself in understanding how it was picked in the first place. :applause:

Floor breakdown

* Sublevels - Garage/Retail/Transportation
* Ground Floor - Main Lobby
* 1st-19th Floors (Base) - Podium (Not Occupied on the base except for lobby)
* 20th-63rd Floors - Offices
* 64th Floor - Sky lobby
* 65th - 88th Floors - Offices
* 89th and 90th Floors - Transmission equipment
* 91st - 100th Floors - Mechanical
* 100th - 101st Floors - Restaurant
* 102nd Floor - Observation deck
* 103rd - 108th Floors - Mechanical (Unoccupied)
* Top of the Building - Observation deck Two (Proposed

I thought it wasnt gonna have a parking garage, but I guess I was wrong.


Would you write also the level in meters over the ground?

Thank you very much

Floor breakdown

* Sublevels - Garage/Retail/Transportation
* Ground Floor - Main Lobby
* 1st-19th Floors (Base) - Podium (Not Occupied on the base except for lobby)
* 20th-63rd Floors - Offices
* 64th Floor - Sky lobby
* 65th - 88th Floors - Offices
* 89th and 90th Floors - Transmission equipment
* 91st - 100th Floors - Mechanical
* 100th - 101st Floors - Restaurant
* 102nd Floor - Observation deck
* 103rd - 108th Floors - Mechanical (Unoccupied)
* Top of the Building - Observation deck Two (Proposed)



I thought it wasnt gonna have a parking garage, but I guess I was wrong.

Where did you get this information from?

As far as I know, there's not going to be a observation deck on top, but there will be one on floor 102, which is under several mech floors. The observation floor should have been the tallest one.


ALSO, there will be no Garage/Retail space in or under the Freedom Tower.

The glass on the Freedom Tower will be made in Owatonna Minnesota, home of the Tilt-a-Whirl, soon if not already Minnesota's State Amusement Ride. It would be pretty cool to put one of those up on top in that lower circular section of the mast.

I'd go on a roller coaster up there.

I made a more accurate map of the site based on this pic:

http://wtc.com/images/popup/img_downloads/enlarged_img/170000-pu.jpg

http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/4263/wtcsite2sd2.jpg

It looks fine, but you forgot Tower 5 (130 Liberty Street) and 7.

It looks fine, but you forgot Tower 5 (130 Liberty Street) and 7.

I was confused about that. It looks like there is already something in the lot for #5. What's the deal?

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turn that 'is' into 'was'. the old tower #5 is under demolition. after 9-11 it was too damaged to be occupied again and the building looked ugly anyway. so they decided to demolish it and build a new tower on that site.

Gotcha. Pic edited to add #5.

Ok, no where is #6? :sly:

Well, 6 may be the PAC (which is not designed yet), right in the middle of Tower 1 and 2. The Performing Arts Center was supposed to be designed by Frank Gehry, if I recalled correctly. I think it's on hold.

The cab of the second crane was installed. I haven't looked if the arm of the crane has been installed.

So wait, is piling complete?

And where is WTC6? is it the Freedom Tower?

No, it's 1WTC.

So wait, is piling complete?

I wouldn't be counting on that anytime soon.

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turn that 'is' into 'was'. the old tower #5 is under demolition. after 9-11 it was too damaged to be occupied again and the building looked ugly anyway. so they decided to demolish it and build a new tower on that site.
That is actually the Deutsch Bank building, which was mortally wounded but did not collapse in the attack on 2001-09-11. It took a chunk of structural steel in its north side when 2 WTC collapsed - the beam assembly tore a large gash in its side and ended up impaled in it. After a few years of disputes with the insurance company, the building was finally written off and is only now being demolished.

The pre-attack 5 WTC was one of the three low-rise buildings that was located around the public plaza south and east of the 'Twins'.

(Did I say 'south'? I meant 'north' :nuts: )

Mike

I wouldn't be counting on that anytime soon.

I don't get it. They erect the tower crane before piling?

Piling? I dont think any piling was necessary for this part of the site and if it was its been done. And dont listen to talb, hes just negative over the new 1WTC. He wants the old twins back etc.

This tower is pretty slow! I bet it will still be in construction after this decade.

it will but not finished :)

I'll bet you 150 dollars that by the time the New World Trade Center is finished, (2014) we'll still have people like Talb whining that they still want the old WTC back. But, News Flash! The Freedom Tower is U/C and it won't stop for anything. And by december, It'll be 10 storeys tall!

Everything will be completed by Q1 2011, except maybe for Tower(s) 2/5, especially if deconstruction on 130 Liberty stalls again.

I can't wait to see the day of tons of cranes activites on all towers when they're being built! :banana:

Chicago will top New York with the Chicago Spire +600m.I think New York wont top it for the next 20 years

Chicago will top New York with the Chicago Spire +600m.I think New York wont top it for the next 20 years

Whi the hell cares if the CS will be taller than the FT. Everyone in the country and the world will respect the WTC more because of its dominating presence and its meaning. See, when people go to Chicago in 2010, theyll just say look at that tall screw. But when the new WTC is completed it will be admired for ages to come, because of its sign of America's resiliance:cheers:

... and be awed as they look up at 4 gigantic skyscrapers, built literally side by side seperated by a city street. nowhere in america or in the world will you see a denser cluster of supertall structures... and dont give me that dubai bs.

New York and Chicago shouldn't have to compete... both are great American cities. Yet the sense of competition with foreign cities is a given.

I don't get it. They erect the tower crane before piling?

Now that I am thinking about it, no skyscraper project has ever errected a kangaroo crane before the foundation work was actually started saying that the Fraudem Tower isn't said to rise until the beginning of next year, and even the Twins didn't have a kangaroo prior to that.

Piling? I dont think any piling was necessary for this part of the site and if it was its been done. And dont listen to talb, hes just negative over the new 1WTC. He wants the old twins back etc.
Just stop with what you just said about me, b/c I am not saying you are wrong or dumb for what you support.

Now that I am thinking about it, no skyscraper project has ever errected a kangaroo crane before the foundation work was actually started saying that the Fraudem Tower isn't said to rise until the beginning of next year, and even the Twins didn't have a kangaroo prior to that.


Just stop with what you just said about me, b/c I am not saying you are wrong or dumb for what you support.

I'll stop when you stop your crusade against the Freedom Tower. Look I don't exactly love the Freedom Tower that much and would perfer the Twins back, but I've learned to live with it. The Twin Towers aren't coming back whether you like it or not.

nowhere in america or in the world will you see a denser cluster of supertall structures... and dont give me that dubai bs.

Just because you want something to be true doesn't mean that it is. The World Trade Center will be great, but there is no need to make up fake facts about it.

Its true that the Marina will have taller structures (on average) than the WTC/WFC cluster.... but that doesn't necessarily mean it's better looking either :P Go go WTC!

Its true that the Marina will have taller structures (on average) than the WTC/WFC cluster.... but that doesn't necessarily mean it's better looking either :P Go go WTC!


OK, that's fine. I have absolutely no problem with people saying "these towers are nicer than those" or stuff like that. But when people make foolish statements that are OBJECTIVE ("most dense" for instance) that can easily be disproven with a tape measure, I feel forced to jump in :)