looks bright

Seeing the first above-grade columns go up brings back memories of the first columns going up two years ago.

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/1675/1440freedomtowermarch20.jpg

Funny how people don't realize the amount of work that went into bring the tower to this level and how large and complex the lower section really is. WTC Tower 4 is a cakewalk compared to FT because its circumstances and location are different. It would not be absurd saying that in one year this tower and WTC Tower 4 will be in the skyline and quickly climbing.

I think they are going to be the ones right next to (inboard) of the ones already in place. These are the ones with the big W on top, and will carry the heaviest loads. We may see the first one tomorrow!

You are correct, they are the 2 closest to the center of each face.

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7506&d=1250800204

The one on the left, the one on the right goes on top of the canted columns at the corners.

da BEAM is here, here!!! :)


and


WTC owner says $300K-a-day penalities almost over

NEW YORK — The World Trade Center site's owner says it will soon be able to stop paying a $300,000-a-day penalty for missing deadlines to turn land over to the site's developer.

The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey says it will turn over the land in the next few days to Larry Silverstein, who is building three towers on the 16-acre site.

The agency was penalized $300,000 a day for missing deadlines set in Silverstein's lease.

Port Authority Executive Director Chris Ward told City Council members Wednesday that the final turnover will "start the clock" on Silverstein's obligation to build the towers.

The agency and developer are fighting over the developer's lease to rebuild at ground zero and how to finance the towers.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gsMWFqclEuOiOzudD9z5ci6OLugwD9A6825O0

is it possible for one to photograph a truck delivering a column? And it's nice to see some massive additions to the buildings outer shape.

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/526/deliveryp.jpg

da BEAM is here, here!!! :)

Now you've beat me to it...:D

Looks like they're pouring a second layer over the thin concrete on the memorial plaza.

Looks like the largest beams will be the horizontal ones above each entrance. I don't see any support below these large, high glass areas.

http://static.flickr.com/77/202631900_047ba88411_o.jpg[/QUOTE]

crane taking the next beam right now, nice.

Yep, the crane is grabbing something. Someone needs to get down there and take new pictures!

Strong advice: start visiting the site every 7 months. Thank you.

:)

And please refrain from comments like this when you do visit...it's extremely annoying to those of us who PAY ATTENTION!

Looks like they're pouring a second layer over the thin concrete on the memorial plaza.

Some of the slabs call for 2 pours of about 8 inches each.

That's some great news webeagle12 !

Zen, do you have the prints for the entire site or just the memorial and 1WTC?

Just the Memorial and Tower One, and some sketches of some stuff in the lobby of #4.

i like it

Does anybody of you guys out there know anything about tower 6?

thanks in advance

Does anybody of you guys out there know anything about tower 6?

thanks in advance

There probably will not be a "tower" 6, rather a "6WTC". And it's most likely going to be a theater or performing arts center. The last we heard Frank Gehry was tapped to design it, although that quite a long time ago. The location hasn't been determined yet either. It's either going to be on the temporary path terminal site right now (right next to the Freedom Tower, and between towers 1 and 2) or on the site of the Deutsche Bank building, which was damaged on 9/11 and is still being demolished.

Does anybody of you guys out there know anything about tower 6?As of right now, there isn't going to be a tower six.

The numbering comes from the original World Trade Center site:

1 WTC - the North Tower
2 WTC - the South Tower
3 WTC - Marriott World Trade Center
4 WTC - a low-rise office building
5 WTC - a low-rise office building that housed the Chambers Street–World Trade Center subway station
6 WTC - U.S. Customs House
7 WTC - a high-rise office builidng built by Silverstein Properties in the 1980s just outside the original WTC complex.


All seven buildings collapsed or were demolished in the immediate aftermath of the September 11 attacks. Because 7 WTC wasn't inside the "bathtub" of the rest of the WTC site, Silverstein had a much freer hand in redeveloping the site. The new 7 WTC was built at the same location as the old 7 WTC, but occupied a slightly smaller footprint. It went into construction with the same name before an overall plan had been developed for the main WTC site.

The new site plan that eventually evolved called for only four new buildings instead of the original six: three buildings along the eastern perimeter of the site, between Church Street and a reconstructed Greenwich Street, and one in the Northeast corner of the site. These would be branded as 1WTC through 4WTC.

However the mold infestation of the Deutsche Bank building, which was initially thought to be saveable after the 9/11 attacks, proved uncontainable and the building was set for demolition. Once deconstruction is completely, the site is (was?) set to be redeveloped by the PANYNJ as 5WTC for J.P. Morgan Chase.

is the cran broken or just taking a nap?

there was some bad weather yesterday, so they brought it offline and tied it down for the weekend.

^^ So it'll be back up tomorrow?

^^ So it'll be back up tomorrow?

when they predict high winds, that when boom will go down.

Steel beam slated to return Monday to ground zero

NEW YORK — A massive steel column from the World Trade Center that became a makeshift memorial to the victims of the Sept. 11 attacks is being returned to the site.

After more than seven years in storage at a hanger at John F. Kennedy International Airport, the beam is expected to be transported Monday to ground zero.

Port Authority of New York & New Jersey Executive Director Chris Ward calls the return of the beam to the World Trade Center site a sign of rebirth.

The column will become part of the planned National Sept. 11 Memorial & Museum.

The 58-ton, 36-foot-tall beam was dubbed the "Last Column" when it was the final standing steel column to be removed from the site.

It was adorned with firehouse patches, police logos and union stickers.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5icq-nTtZvPPX8gvTnDh--YIljTxAD9A91UK80


p.s: Union stickers WTF? :ohno:

update 2 6:25am: beam is here
and also it's looks like they raised north core

update 3: HOLY BATMAN!! look at the size of that crane ( for beam)

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/1253/39394952.jpg

I was kind of wondering about that "56 ton 36 foot long" beam. That seems a little heavy.

So let's see...Pouring on the north core, pouring on the memorial, steel is goin' up on the 1WTC, the beam will be soon here...Looks like a busy monday...:)

The beam is here, looks like they're doing some kind of ceremony.

The beam is here, looks like they're doing some kind of ceremony.

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/08/25/alg_world-trade-center_steel-column.jpg

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/5339/hfhj.jpg

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/7512/hjjihz.jpg

:)

Here is also a gif yepole put together on Wired New York of the beam installation off the webcam.

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/8161/column1.gif

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/24/excavation-for-ground-zero-officer-towers-is-finished/
August 24, 2009, 4:35 pm
Excavation for Ground Zero Office Towers Is Finished
By Charles V. Bagli

The Port Authority has finally completed the excavation at ground zero for
three office towers, after 14 months of delays and $130 million in
penalties.The authority officially turned over the last of the three sites
Monday to the developer Larry A. Silverstein, saying that Mr. Silverstein
now had until 2014 to build the towers.

Under a 2006 development agreement, the authority was to have finished
the excavation work in June 2008. But only one of the sites was finished in
time. As a result, the authority had to pay a penalty of $300,000 a day until
it finished the work. The penalty actually served as an abatement against Mr.
Silverstein’s rent.

Can someone give me the link of the HD webcam again, I already searched the net and the last pages, without success. I had to make a backup, loosing all my recent bookmarks... :(

Did anything change on freedom tower today? Someone mentioned steel going up there...

Can someone give me the link of the HD webcam again, I already searched the net and the last pages, without success. I had to make a backup, loosing all my recent bookmarks... :(Click it:
http://i26.tinypic.com/20fyvpt.jpg (http://archives.earthcam.com/archives5/ecnetwork/us/ny/nyc/gzmpr/gzrobotic1.jpg)

EDIT: Smaller thumbnail, sorry.

Can someone give me the link of the HD webcam again, I already searched the net and the last pages, without success. I had to make a backup, loosing all my recent bookmarks... :(

Did anything change on freedom tower today? Someone mentioned steel going up there...

No steel on 1WTC today, but there was a steel beam going in at the memorial. It's one from the original twin towers that was marked by emergency personnel after 9/11 and will be part of the museum.

There was a rather large concrete pour around the north core, however. That part is one level below ground level, the underground structure has not caught up with the rest of the foundations yet. You can see the white cement where the pour happened on the webcam.

Thank you guys.

Click it:


No :nono:


http://www.earthcam.com/clients/groundzero/groundZero.swf

Sorry about that. Thought this forum had an auto-resize. Replaced with thumbnail instead.

Does this mean then that the "tridents" will soon be on their way to their new home as well??

Does this mean then that the "tridents" will soon be on their way to their new home as well??The tridents are going to be above ground in the pavilion, so presumably they won't come to the site until construction of the pavilion begins. And since the pavilion is to be built over the platforms for the transportation hub, they can't proceed on that until the roof of the platforms are up.

They have to move the other big pieces now though, because soon there won't be any openings big enough to fit them through.

that tower is amazing

The steel beam that was returned...was that the one that was left standing with the flags draped over it...sort of looked like a cross...or is that another beam? If not, what happened to that beam?

No steel on 1WTC today, but there was a steel beam going in at the memorial. It's one from the original twin towers that was marked by emergency personnel after 9/11 and will be part of the museum.

There was a rather large concrete pour around the north core, however. That part is one level below ground level, the underground structure has not caught up with the rest of the foundations yet. You can see the white cement where the pour happened on the webcam.

Actually, there was one peace lifted up on the last beam at 1WTC, but nothing so important...

Btw. 6th beam is there...Looks like they deliver new beam every 2nd day...

NYC with 1 (ONE!) tower... oh noooo.... !!!

That's my opinion.

Is it known for a fact that they won't be putting the north columns up until the north core erecting steel is raised, or was that just a guess? It would seem like a lot of weight to have up without the connecting beams. I know those suckers won't bend but if they ground shifted enough for the top of a column to move half an inch it might cause considerable grief.

After all that work on the strongest foundation ever, it is not going to move a millimeter.

NYC with 1 (ONE!) tower... oh noooo.... !!!

That's my opinion.

:| mind explain what do you mean by that?

p.s: another column is here

and damn camera didn't update in last few hours, damn :(

Is it me or is this tower actually moving fast?it looks tall to me already!it seems like the added more steel colums to the frame because it looks taller to me....


Is nice to see that lowern Manhattan is finally on its way to recovery!!!!!!

^^^ 11:15 local time cam still not refreshing

Robo cam shows column is in place with platforms

http://www.earthcam.com/swf/cam_player/enlarge_image.php?type=live&path=http://63.229.55.21/ec_metros/ourcams/millenium2.jpg&name=Freedom%20Tower&width=640&height=480&img_width=640&img_height=480

:cheers:

Next jumbo column going up!

When is technology going to catch up? We should be able to watch a high def LIVE VIDEO of WTC1, not wait for a 'refresh'. It's so 80's.

When is technology going to catch up? We should be able to watch a high def LIVE VIDEO of WTC1, not wait for a 'refresh'. It's so 80's.

You won't be able to watch a high-def video because it will be expensive and most computers won't be able to dl fast enough but a normal video is a very common thing.

"Ostatni element" znajduje się obecnie w podziemiach Memorialu i jest już przytwierdzony do podłoża. Kolumna jest w identycznym stanie jak z przed siedmiu lat gdy to opuszczała Ground Zero 30 Maja 2002 roku.

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20090824/capt.be92ce86c69945fa83590795a9de27ba.sept_11_last_column_nyml101.jpg?x=400&y=264&q=85&sig=deayMWAcB8vBSM_kPB.jOg--

http://llnw.image.cbslocal.com/29/2009/08/24/320x240/steelbeam.jpg

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20090824/capt.d7f763cb3d604ade805e74e9f49a3d6f.sept_11_last_column_nyml102.jpg?x=237&y=345&q=85&sig=Ktk2MDfEABR46CkcIFBzAw--

http://www.kypost.com/media/lib/53/4/a/3/4a35d951-b2d8-4d28-9c29-b7d4d02c0b96/Original.jpg

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2009/08/25/nyregion/25wtc.inline.650.jpg

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20090824/capt.547511fd64d9403ea15f66a50cb9fd9f.sept_11_last_column_nyml105.jpg?x=400&y=341&q=85&sig=zxEAzE6In3lMmmhAKOxIxQ--

http://www.straitstimes.com/STI/STIMEDIA/image/20090825/lastcolumn-afp.jpg

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/afp/20090825/capt.photo_1251163123913-1-0.jpg?x=228&y=345&q=85&sig=4sO0zqSf0WCoxx2zDY7TKw--

:)

http://www.straitstimes.com/STI/STIMEDIA/image/20090825/lastcolumn-afp.jpg

WOW! That gives you an impression of just how large this beam is, and the memorial. :uh:

Nice pictures, thank you for the update!

Great pics! Do you have any higher resolution of the ones taken with the beam in the memorial?

UPDATE!
The webcam at www.rebuildgroundzero.org is back up, and actually pointing at the whole site for once!

Is this beam in the original position it was in the tower?

Is this beam in the original position it was in the tower?

no

Why not?

Because of the memorial pool, very logic, isnt it?

I will try to get some photos 1st week of september, and possibly 09/11/09. From what i've seen most of the progress is below street level.

- A

Do you know what is exactly the symbolism of that beam? Was it the last beam recovered from Ground Zero? Was it the first steel beam installed in the WTC back in August 1968? Maybe both?

Do you know what is exactly the symbolism of that beam? Was it the last beam recovered from Ground Zero? Was it the first steel beam installed in the WTC back in August 1968? Maybe both?

It was the last beam recovered from Ground Zero
A part of the southeast corner of the south tower

http://our.homewithgod.com/mkcathy/gz_0324_lastbeam.jpg

Ceremoniously removed May 30, 2002

http://our.homewithgod.com/mkcathy/gz_beamleaves_allagency_530.jpg

Because of the memorial pool, very logic, isnt it?

No. it isn't. I think it would be great to see a piece of the original tower put back exactly where it was, then build the memorial around it. Just my opinion. Then again, I think there should have always been a plan two freedom towers. Side by side, just like the originals.

two freedom towers would have been terrible...really really awful im just thinking about it now. While it is a nice idea to pay homage to the original, that doesnt mean that it should pay homage to the original.

I don't think that we should try to incorporate all these elements of the old world trade cetner. In 200 years the attacks that happened will not be as relevant as they are now, and we should not try to build to pay homage to the past, we should build for the future.

Opinions are like elbows. Everyone has two. Well, most people.

I am glad the six northeast columns are all up. I assume the creeper crane will now start assembling the northwest section, then the whole thing will be moved to the other side, or will there be a second creeper crane?

http://www.nypost.com/seven/08262009/business/bowlmor_looks_to_strike_deal_186468.htm

http://www.nypost.com/img/cols/loisweiss_btb.jpg
August 26, 2009

A person closely involved with the construction of the Freedom Tower tells us that it is taking approximately one month to build a floor, and, to date, only token steel has gone up.

Earlier, confidential Port Authority documents predicted concrete work would take no more than one week per floor and called for the building to be completed with a temporary certificate of occupancy on Sept. 19, 2012 -- three years from now.

A Port Authority spokeswoman now says the temporary certificate of occupancy will be obtained in mid-2013.

The spokeswoman said the one-floor-a-week schedule for the Freedom Tower will start when the building reaches 200 feet and that it's currently around 100 feet tall.

Ground level was reached by the south core portion last August, while the north core did so in June.

One reason the work is moving so slowly, a source told Between the Bricks, is that because of the size of the building and floor-load issues, any on-site changes that might otherwise amount to a friendly chat among contractors in a regular project are considerably more involved at the Freedom Tower.

Indeed, the source said a change requires work to be stopped in order to get OKs from the architects and engineers. What's more, new sets of computerized drawing must be generated. The PA spokeswoman said an engineer now has been hired to be on site to deal with such issues. She added that the work does not stop to await new drawings.

No. it isn't. I think it would be great to see a piece of the original tower put back exactly where is was, then build the memorial around it. Just my opinion.
I agree, they could have put it in its original location, surrounded by glass. Another nice point would be that in the future it would help people realize why the memorial was built like it was.

Opinions are like elbows. Everyone has two. Well, most people.

I am glad the six northeast columns are all up. I assume the creeper crane will now start assembling the northwest section, then the whole thing will be moved to the other side, or will there be a second creeper crane?

There will be a second crawler crane for the west side. The crawler crane that's there now will help with the transportation hub construction once it's done with the columns at 1WTC.



Looks like the HD cam is frozen again.

I am glad the six northeast columns are all up. I assume the creeper crane will now start assembling the northwest section, then the whole thing will be moved to the other side, or will there be a second creeper crane?I think you have you're directions confused. The Freedom Tower is in the Northwest corner of the site; the six columns currently up are up in the southeast corner. Since the track for the crane runs along the eastern perimeter of the building, the northeaster section will presumably be next.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/08262009/business/bowlmor_looks_to_strike_deal_186468.htm

http://www.nypost.com/img/cols/loisweiss_btb.jpg
August 26, 2009

You missed the rest of the article where she proves she has no idea what she's talking about.


Since the building is supposed to top off with the 104th above-ground floor, based on a floor-a-month schedule, we estimate that it will take about 8½ more years for the PA to finish the 2.6 million square foot building -- around January 2018.

If that wasn't enough of a shock, after we concluded our back-of-the-envelope calculations, we uncovered a Lower Manhattan Construction Command Center confidential "draft-risk analysis" document from July that shows there is an 80 percent probability that the building will be finished by that very same January 2018.

Tishman Construction, the general contractor, said it was never consulted on the LMCCC guesstimate memo and is sticking to the Port Authority's 2013 completion deadline, a spokesman said.

On its Web site, the LMCCC states, "According to the Port Authority schedule, the tower is expected to open in the fourth quarter of 2013."

The groundbreaking was July 4, 2004, and the Web site adds, "Crews have worked steadily since then."

By contrast, the Burj Dubai tower, nearing completion in the United Arab Emirates as the world's tallest building with 160 concrete-only floors, started work in 2005 and will very likely open by the end of this year.

Tishman Construction also worked on the 1.7 million square foot 7 World Trade Center that at one point, under Larry Silverstein's direction, was completing a floor every four days.

The contractor is also in the last stages of wrapping up the nearby 43-story Goldman Sachs headquarters, which broke ground in December 2006 -- around the same time the first beam was installed at the Freedom Tower.

Back in 2007, the PA documents show that by this week they expected concrete to be poured on the deck of the 44th floor, with steel up to floor 53 -- the height of 7 World Trade Center -- and, get this, predicted a curtain wall would already be slapped as high as the 22nd floor.

Let's keep our fingers crossed they are able to stick to the latest 2013 schedule, but don't count on it.

So, they ignored what the PA official said about the lobby floors taking longer, have a child's understanding of probability (80% chance it will be finished by 2018 doesn't mean it's going to be finished in 2018. Why is this so hard for people to grasp?), and compared WTC 1's speed of construction to two short, stubby buildings and a building in the middle of a desert wasteland. How did this article get published? Oh, that's right, it's the New York Post.

So, they ignored what the PA official said about the lobby floors taking longer, have a child's understanding of probability (80% chance it will be finished by 2018 doesn't mean it's going to be finished in 2018. Why is this so hard for people to grasp?), and compared WTC 1's speed of construction to two short, stubby buildings and a building in the middle of a desert wasteland. How did this article get published? Oh, that's right, it's the New York Post.

That doesn’t diminish the other part of the article at all, which is probably truth. And since more people are reporting that there's some sort of secret document, there probably is one. And it may say 2018. I don't think that's realistic, but I don't know if 2013 is either...

oh my, can't believe that this tower is being in progress! :) it's also one of my favorite tower!

I agree, they could have put it in its original location, surrounded by glass. Another nice point would be that in the future it would help people realize why the memorial was built like it was.

The Column would be inside the wall behind the waterfall, because they mark the footprints. In fact it would have been a nice addition to have it in place, where it actually was, but it would look awful and displaced together with the pools.

If they actually stick to a floor-a-week schedule this tower will most certainly be done on time.

About 30 seconds of research would have informed that halfwit that Burj Dubai started construction in 2004. Kinda shows you the regard for truth and accuracy they have at that rag.

That doesn’t diminish the other part of the article at all, which is probably truth. And since more people are reporting that there's some sort of secret document, there probably is one. And it may say 2018. I don't think that's realistic, but I don't know if 2013 is either...

What was so shocking about the other part of the article? Nothing about that was a shock to me. As for this "secret document" that the LMDC has, as I said, 80% chance of the building being completed by 2018 doesn't mean it won't be finished until 2018. If this "secret document" said there was a 30% chance of it being finished by 2018 then I'd be a little concerned, but even then we don't know what numbers they used to calculate that probability. My guess is they just pulled numbers out of a hat.

What was so shocking about the other part of the article? Nothing about that was a shock to me. As for this "secret document" that the LMDC has, as I said, 80% chance of the building being completed by 2018 doesn't mean it won't be finished until 2018. If this "secret document" said there was a 30% chance of it being finished by 2018 then I'd be a little concerned, but even then we don't know what numbers they used to calculate that probability. My guess is they just pulled numbers out of a hat.

Oh, I don't deny that at all. I agree, who knows where they came up with 2018. Obviously that is not a realistic timetable.

For some reason, I saw the topping off is Summer '12 and opening is winter '12

Calm down guys, just look at the progress of the last six months. Do you really believe it will take 9 years from now to finish it? The tower has grown significantly, and it will definitely finish around 2013. Imagine, that are 4 years! Enough time for a quite normal superstructure to be build. The time consuming extra safe part has been nearly done now.

You all know the circumstances, the safety issues, the operating subway, and all that other stuff. But this is over!

Calm down guys, just look at the progress of the last six months. Do you really believe it will take 9 years from now to finish it? The tower has grown significantly, and it will definitely finish around 2013. Imagine, that are 4 years! Enough time for a quite normal superstructure to be build. The time consuming extra safe part has been nearly done now.

You all know the circumstances, the safety issues, the operating subway, and all that other stuff. But this is over!

Indeed. I'm just angry that they are allowed to publish such garbage. It's not just the New York Post, it's every news agency in this country with regards to ANY kind of news.

But that is not the point of this thread. As you said the progress is obvious and I can't wait to return next summer and document the construction as I did this last summer. Once it's all finished it'll be nice to show my kids what it looked like before, during, and after.

HD cam refreshing again

Agreed the 2013 completion date would be great to see

Any other building with this core design go up as fast?

Here is the link for the Earthcam That is refreshed every 20-30 seconds. Enjoy
http://www.earthcam.com/usa/newyork/groundzero/
After the commercial plays chose the little picture under the screen to the right. Then you can right click on it and zoom in. Enjoy.

also remember freedom tower doesnt consist of 108floors, it has 84.

at lev5 or 200ft/61m level, there are then 70 floors which will rise 1 per week, that 70 weeks. to reach 350m/1150ft.
so how long before they reach lev5/61m? xmas? if so then 18months for 70 levels. thus lev75 by mid 2011? then top floors another 6months, theus reach 417m by xmas 2011?
then spire and cladding add 1 year, thus completed xmas 2012? then interiors ready for 6months later, say mid 2013?

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2672/3837945841_879f996151_o.png

also remember freedom tower doesnt consist of 108floors, it has 84.

at lev5 or 200ft/61m level, there are then 70 floors which will rise 1 per week, that 70 weeks. to reach 350m/1150ft.
so how long before they reach lev5/61m? xmas? if so then 18months for 70 levels. thus lev75 by mid 2011? then top floors another 6months, theus reach 417m by xmas 2011?
then spire and cladding add 1 year, thus completed xmas 2012? then interiors ready for 6months later, say mid 2013?



That's optimistic (but doable). I don't think there is any mention of further height for the rest of the year to 1WTC in the PA's quarterly report. Their 6 month projection (from 2Q 09 report) just mentioned they'll be finishing out the 2nd and 3rd floors by the end of the year.

It'll be another two months at least IMO for all the perimeter columns and spandral (horizontal) beams to be put in. That's taking into account the new steel needing to be added to the north core (which for the south core took a period of several weekends), the western side of the plaza to be poured. A new wooden "road" for the crane to drive on, a few days even for the new crane to be assembled. Weekends off. Holidays, etc.

All we can do is watch and wait. 6 months ago it seemed like we were never going to see new perimeter columns installed, now it's finally hear. 6 months from now we might finally see the south crane jump again.

This tower is nice and modern,I love it.

3rd QTR 2013 end of story :P

Remember, they are building above & directly abutting an active busy transit station & its tracks, active and busy exposed subway tunnel, as well as a busy pedestrian throughway. At the same time they are building the memorial, the connecting passageway for the transportation hub, 4 wtc, and prepping for starting the hub itself, including removing the final remnants of below grade floors on the northeast corner of the site which will allow building 2 & 3 to begin. All of this with limited access and having to divert traffic. It's amazing they can build anything at all on this site, it's clogged with other activity 14 hours of the day. When the original WTC towers were being built, they were simple, organizing construction was easy, and they were not building on a former pile of rubble.

That all being said, it is lame that only a bit of tower 1 is above street level after so many years. Comcast center, a massive & somewhat controversial building was proposed, begun, and completed and occupied, while 1 wtc sat below grade level in the same time frame. Comcast center is also built above a train station.

- A

also remember freedom tower doesnt consist of 108floors, it has 84.
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It would be less confusing if they didn't refer to the 84th floor as "floor 108".
That might also be part of the floor a week fuzziness. I imagine the 40 foot floors will take more time than the 13 foot ones.

Looks like the steel is goin' up on the north core...

Do you know what is exactly the symbolism of that beam? Was it the last beam recovered from Ground Zero? Was it the first steel beam installed in the WTC back in August 1968? Maybe both?

It was the last beam recovered from Ground Zero
A part of the southeast corner of the south tower

http://our.homewithgod.com/mkcathy/gz_0324_lastbeam.jpg

Ceremoniously removed May 30, 2002

http://our.homewithgod.com/mkcathy/gz_beamleaves_allagency_530.jpg


Does anybody know if that beam can be seen here?

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2056/2221319725_ed17c2257d_o.jpg

Does anybody know if that beam can be seen here?

CC1001BB3:

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/5271/2221319725ed17c2257do.jpg

CC1001BB3:

What does that code mean?

Wow. Imagine they could put the original 4 corner columns back exactly where they were to mark the four corners of the waterfalls. That would be spectacular! And much deeper than the current plan.

What does that code mean?

CC - Kolumny rdzenia (core columns)
1001 - położenie ciągu kolumn, a 1000 oznacza rząd. W przypadku WTC2 jest to wschodni rząd. Rząd 500 i 1000 to rzędy kluczowe dla konstrukcji rdzenia obu wież.
B - wieża (tower)
B3 - piętro zakończenia kolumny, w tym przypadku to piętro podziemne.

CC - Kolumny rdzenia (core columns)
1001 - położenie ciągu kolumn, a 1000 oznacza rząd. W przypadku WTC2 jest to wschodni rząd. Rząd 500 i 1000 to rzędy kluczowe dla konstrukcji rdzenia obu wież.
B - wieża (tower)
B3 - piętro zakończenia kolumny, w tym przypadku to piętro podziemne.

not much help if its not in English!:(

not much help if its not in English!:(

CC - Core Columns
1001 - Placement of column sequence, where 1000 denotes row. In case of WTC2 this is eastern row. Rows 500 and 1000 are key rows for both towers' core constructions.
B - Tower
B3 - Floor on which is column's top ending, here it's undeground floor.

CC - Core Columns
1001 - Placement of column sequence, where 1000 denotes row. In case of WTC2 this is eastern row. Rows 500 and 1000 are key rows for both towers' core constructions.
B - Tower
B3 - Floor on which is column's top ending, here it's undeground floor.
In buildings, towers like WTC B with an number (B3 exmble) its indeed underground floor, 3 floors below...

The above plan was really helpful, to understand in what level works have reached in WTC1. Almost in 2nd floor

I don't think they will put any more beams until north core steel work will catch up to south core. That require north crane to jump twice, then steel work, then resume work on beams. :lurker: My guess estimate: 4-8 weeks

The cam has frozen again...
This is becoming sort of a tradition.:ohno:

The cam has frozen again...
This is becoming sort of a tradition.:ohno:

I just noticed myself, this blows. Looks like every morning tradition.

^^The camera might be down. It is slightly windy. And a hurricane will be passing near by, so there will be high winds this weekend.

And also word on the street is that the north core crane is supposed to jump this weekend.

That would be exciting to see...

Too bad something as simple as a webcam has to break all the time. It IS at the cutting edge of technology =-)

It looks like they started the installation for the waterfall equipment on the north pool.

when it comes to the building im just glad they arent just sticking to the old-box style- architecture of the us :)

They are begining to connect the perimiter columns to the south core with horizontal beams.

They are begining to connect the perimiter columns to the south core with horizontal beams.

Thats old news.

Is that crane pieces I see ( red) :tongue3:

Is that crane pieces I see ( red) :tongue3:

Jep, they need them for the north core's crane to jump, exactly the same parts, which are fixing the south core's crane.

The webcam shows that parts of two of the remaining eight Calatrava arches are lying on the future Fulton Street! Think they will be installed soon at the eastern end of the already installed ones.

Interview w/ Larry Silverstein:

http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/business/2009/08/28/qmb.quest.intv.silverstein.wtc.cnn

Interview w/ Larry Silverstein:

http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/business/2009/08/28/qmb.quest.intv.silverstein.wtc.cnn


That video clip is just ridiculous. I bet in the yr 2013, tower 2 & 3 is still not gonna be built yet. I always tell myself, just make that side of the damn site a big ass pool for ppl to swim in during the summer and and ice skating ring like Rockefeller center during the winter. I bet ppl from different cities around the country and around the world musta forgot all about ground zero and now looking at this with "OMG"!! It's still a hole there!!! Anyway the FT looks like it coming up and might finish on time by 2012, but then again dealing with the port authority, who knows.

August 29th:
http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7528&d=1251565073

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7529&d=1251565086
GreenwichBoy, Wired New York

^^ wow very cool

Is it a known fact they're going to have a second crawler on the west side? Once the north crane's bumped up wouldn't the two tower cranes working together be able to handle those columns? They got the bottom ones in and they were only 5 tons lighter if I remember.

Is it a known fact they're going to have a second crawler on the west side? Once the north crane's bumped up wouldn't the two tower cranes working together be able to handle those columns? They got the bottom ones in and they were only 5 tons lighter if I remember.

According to two people involved with the site at WiredNY, yes, a second crawler crane will arrive. The tower cranes combined cannot lift as much as the red crawler crane. I can't remember if I posted the tonnage per crane here or at SSP but I will find the post and place the information here shortly.

Here we are:

Capacity for Liebherr cranes at memorial (white/red and yellow cranes): 200 t and 250 t.
Capacity per tower crane: 64 t.
Capacity for red Manitowoc crane: 400 t.

The problem right now is that the exterior columns are 70+ tons. Sure, the tower cranes could combine their lift capacity and lift the columns, but right now that is difficult because the steel cage for the north core isn't in place. Just because the maximum load is 70 t doesn't mean they can always lift 70 t. It all depends on the location of the load in relation to the crane.

Also, since the red crane that is in place right now will eventually be used for the transportation hub, it makes sense to have another one in place on the other side of the site to assist in the construction of the tower's base once the other one hast moved onto other duties..

i like the pics ,thanks

That video clip is just ridiculous. I bet in the yr 2013, tower 2 & 3 is still not gonna be built yet. I always tell myself, just make that side of the damn site a big ass pool for ppl to swim in during the summer and and ice skating ring like Rockefeller center during the winter. I bet ppl from different cities around the country and around the world musta forgot all about ground zero and now looking at this with "OMG"!! It's still a hole there!!! Anyway the FT looks like it coming up and might finish on time by 2012, but then again dealing with the port authority, who knows.

Surely they have to put something there at least until they're ready to build T2 and T3? Won't matter how amazing 1 WTC is, or the memorial, or 4WTC - if there's a big dirty hole over a quarter of the site it says to the world - FAILURE!

i like the pics ,thanks

Haven't you already been banned once before. Go find another forum.

Oh fog, why must you cover the camera? -_-

Those red columns as it seems in the below photo, are not about the core of WTC1, instead its for the main building?
http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7529&d=1251565086

The red parts are for the extension (support) of the other tower crane, rise next week.

I have updated the time-lapse videos:
http://howtodaylooksgroundzero.blogspot.com/2009/08/year-one.html

just asking about the original steel beam, where will it be used in the new tower please ?

The original WTC column is only for the museum, for photo taking tourists and other stuff. ;)

WOW those beams are huge!
big cranes too, 400 ton is a lot.
also it wasn't until quite recently that I realised that tower cranes can only lift a relatively small weight compared with the crawler cranes.
as for the original steel beam, is it special in any way, or is it just a random beam taken from the rubble?
here in Christchurch there are some of the beams made into a sculpture that was opened a few years ago at the world firefighting games.

Is it a known fact they're going to have a second crawler on the west side? Once the north crane's bumped up wouldn't the two tower cranes working together be able to handle those columns? They got the bottom ones in and they were only 5 tons lighter if I remember.

As I have said in the past, the tower cranes together can only pick 70 tons, at a 25 foot radius, on a good day. The crawler, as currently rigged, can pic over 300tons at a 120 foot radius. The tower cranes may look impressive, but they are very limited.

http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/business/2009/08/28/qmb.quest.intv.silverstein.wtc.cnn

http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/business/2009/08/28/qmb.quest.intv.silverstein.wtc.cnn
Interesting video, Silverstein certainly sounds dedicated to completing the buildings. He certainly sounds much more dedicated and committed than the PA does it in addition he has a good bases to say what he's saying.

Their are a lot of people who criticized the architectural design of the 1WTC (Freedom tower) even Donald Trump but looking at the rendering especially the base it looks pretty good to me, maybe it will look better if it's finished.

If it was up to Trump the tower would have black glass and gold trim.

Big red has been reassembled, looks like there is more steel incoming.

Reassembled? When did they disassemble it?

Reassembled? When did they disassemble it?

Over the weekend, because there was a tropical storm coming. They didn't totally disassemble it, only partly.

EDIT: Oh, and they’re preparing to jump the north core crane too!

lol

Over the weekend, because there was a tropical storm coming. They didn't totally disassemble it, only partly.

EDIT: Oh, and they’re preparing to jump the north core crane too!

They did not disassemble it, they just tilted the boom/jib downwards and secured it. They do it whenever high winds are expected.

They did not disassemble it, they just tilted the boom/jib downwards and secured it. They do it whenever high winds are expected.

Isn't that what I said, "partly disassemble". I guess a better term would be "disengage".

Interesting video, Silverstein certainly sounds dedicated to completing the buildings. He certainly sounds much more dedicated and committed than the PA does it in addition he has a good bases to say what he's saying.Well, to be fair the entire video is from Silverstein's point of view. Richard Quest never talks to anybody from the Port Authority, nor does he really talk about the transportation hub, memorial or 1WTC. I'd bet that Silverstein agreed to do the interview so he could gain some public relations leverage over the PANYNJ in arbitration. Pretty much nobody in the public eye except Sheldon Silver, Michael Bloomberg and Silverstein himself have come out in favor of building the towers now.

Big red was used to place another arch in the east/west corridor

It has been said she would be used there:)

what're we talking about?

Isn't that what I said, "partly disassemble". I guess a better term would be "disengage".

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/disassemble


please stop confusing people already

they lowered a boom, that all; it's happen last year many times.

get over it jesus christ

Is it true that they are planning on jumping the other crane for the first time soon?

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/disassemble


please stop confusing people already

they lowered a boom, that all; it's happen last year many times.

get over it jesus christ

How am I supposed to know, there hasn't been a crane on the site like this before. They were tying the crane down, that's what I meant. I know they didn't physically take it apart!

West Plaza:
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/8882/wtc18c.jpg

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/2325/wtc19c.jpg
ZippyTheChimp, Weird New York

too slow progress ...:drool: :drool: :drool:

How am I supposed to know, there hasn't been a crane on the site like this before. They were tying the crane down, that's what I meant. I know they didn't physically take it apart!

actually there was a crane like this ( smaller version) in a memorial pit last year :)

and thanks for shots :):)

too slow progress ...:drool: :drool: :drool:

Then maybe you can lend a hand.

It amazes me how every time I look at the webcam, I think 'as easy as legos' but then I see close up pictures of the West Plaza and the scale is enormous! The amount of rebar, cement, the size of the beams...wow. This is going to be one, strong, tower.

The West Plaza has to be completed to install the 2nd creeper crane, right?

too slow progress ...:drool: :drool: :drool:

BAN 'em!!!:bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash:

Wow, that is some serious heavy duty rebar there.

- A

too slow progress ...:drool: :drool: :drool:

no dubai speed but thats ok. :lol:

The webcam shows that parts of two of the remaining eight Calatrava arches are lying on the future Fulton Street! Think they will be installed soon at the eastern end of the already installed ones.
They have just been installed now! And a third one has just arrived, even if there is not spot left to mount it a the moment.

The Crane parts also disappeared, maybe we are going to see the jump today.

the last picture from onn shows how massive the steel columns are in comparison with a man. The thickness of the steel amazes me.

Then maybe you can lend a hand.

The progress on this site is awesome and the tower is going to amaze all. This is not an easy project to put together.

wow this place is booming with construction workers :D

The Crane parts also disappeared, maybe we are going to see the jump today.

They were stockpiling steel for the north core late today. That steel will probably have to go up first, since the crane is anchored to it. The jump will probably come later this week.

No me convence Nueva York con sus rascacielos... me parece q se quedaron un poco en el tiempo, y la Freedom Tower no me parece q se integra mucho en el skyline de la ciudad =/...

They were stockpiling steel for the north core late today. That steel will probably have to go up first, since the crane is anchored to it. The jump will probably come later this week.

When they did the south core they jumped it twice. First to the top of the concrete, then they installed the steel framework, then they jumped the crane again up onto the steel. They will probably do the same thing here, since they can't install the steel until the top part of the crane is above the level of the steel.

ny1 know when the kangaroo cranes r gonna go up?

No me convence Nueva York con sus rascacielos... me parece q se quedaron un poco en el tiempo, y la Freedom Tower no me parece q se integra mucho en el skyline de la ciudad =/...

I'm not to sure what your saying or what you mean

haven't been around in forever has any steal rising outside of the core?

No me convence Nueva York con sus rascacielos... me parece q se quedaron un poco en el tiempo, y la Freedom Tower no me parece q se integra mucho en el skyline de la ciudad =/...Sí, la Freedom Tower aparece ser diferente de lo que el resto de al skyline de Nueva York, pero mira alrededor de la ciudad y usted verá un número cada vez mayor de torres de cristal.

P.S. Esto thread es en inglés.

Ever since the original WTC was built, downtown has been a hotspot for contemporary towers. Glassy towers are simply the latest trend.

ok im kinda new at the way construction works... its 'the jump' another way of saying that there installing kangaroo cranes?

It means they are going to move the base of the crane, or the top of the crane up, in this case it is the base of the crane. They use jacks to lift it to desired level, then secure it again. Self-building tower cranes have a jig they position lifts the cab & top part so they can lift another tower segment in. THe tower in question is not a self-build crane.

- A

I'm not to sure what your saying or what you mean

haven't been around in forever has any steal rising outside of the core?

If you haven't been around for a while, the Earthcam has been redone. Take a look.
http://www.earthcam.com/clients/groundzero/groundZero.swf

it's nice to know that the construction of the building is now under way..

North crane has just jumped :-) Check the webcam.

06:52
http://i30.tinypic.com/1sdvls.jpg

07:07
http://i25.tinypic.com/258qjhg.jpg

08:37
http://i26.tinypic.com/9k9j12.jpg

Slow progress :(

^^ Now that's just getting to a point of trolling.

Anyway, awesome to see the north core crane jump. Looks like we'll be seeing some steel go up pretty soon.

great photos - thanks!!!

^^ Now that's just getting to a point of trolling.

Anyway, awesome to see the north core crane jump. Looks like we'll be seeing some steel go up pretty soon.

Yeah sorry, but i just really dont see big change on the construction site.
As far as i know groundbreaking was in April 27, 2006 (Wiki) so 3 years.

Belive me i will be the most happy if i see this tower rise to the sky!

Yeah sorry, but i just really dont see big change on the construction site.
As far as i know groundbreaking was in April 27, 2006 (Wiki) so 3 years.

Belive me i will be the most happy if i see this tower rise to the sky!
Its not a easy thing tio built a tower with 108 floors @venom from the scratch, knewing the history of the area, the world crisis etc. Instead there are a lot of progress since the date you said, until today.

Thanks Nomadd22 for that webcam info - thought it was gone for good!

Yeah sorry, but i just really dont see big change on the construction site.
As far as i know groundbreaking was in April 27, 2006 (Wiki) so 3 years.

Belive me i will be the most happy if i see this tower rise to the sky!

Have you seen the video posted by htlgz here?

I have updated the time-lapse videos:
http://howtodaylooksgroundzero.blogspot.com/2009/08/year-one.html

It cover the last year, not 3, but i think you can see big changes anyway...

Yeah sorry, but i just really dont see big change on the construction site.
As far as i know groundbreaking was in April 27, 2006 (Wiki) so 3 years.

Belive me i will be the most happy if i see this tower rise to the sky!

It isn't even really that slow, though. Compared to projects in Dubai and China, it is, but neither has as dense of an area as New York, not too mention the scale of the project/the site. It's not every day that you build a supertall replacing two destroyed by terrorists. And yeah, I understand what you mean. Plenty of people are probably a bit impatient to see this thing make an impression on the skyline. By this point next year we'll see it skyward.

If I am not mistaken the first section of the north core "cage" is being assembled right now on top of the temporary platform, hopefully to be lifted in place before the day is over!

At this pace, the first NE jumbo columns could arrive in a matter of weeks!

I don't see any cage steel going up

I don't see any cage steel going up

Here...
http://i31.tinypic.com/21n1kd1.jpg

When they did the south core they jumped it twice. First to the top of the concrete, then they installed the steel framework, then they jumped the crane again up onto the steel. They will probably do the same thing here, since they can't install the steel until the top part of the crane is above the level of the steel.

Thanks, I just wanted to post the same answer.

@iamtal
You have a very good eye! It really looks like they are assembling the steel cage!

Does anyone know how long it took for the south cores steel to be assembled?

they changed the view of the HD-cam a little up-wards so we can see top of the south-crane again!

and the north-crane already jumped up several floors!
:banana::banana::banana:

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/9036/cranei.jpg

Here...
http://i31.tinypic.com/21n1kd1.jpg

I'm not sure that's cage steel...can someone confirm?

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/4773/2009septcavalltraarches.png

hopefully the arches will look nicer when it is complete =p

I like how the older ones already look rusted to hell.

hopefully the arches will look nicer when it is complete =p

it's nice to know that the construction of the building is now under way..

I'm sure there are finishing pieces and paint that still have to go up. Don't worry, Calatrava does not disappoint.

West Plaza and base taking shape.

September 2nd:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2583/3881429387_86947def79_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/morrongiello/3881429387/sizes/l/

I'm not sure that's cage steel...can someone confirm?

It reminds me of the first section of south core steel that went up in January, but I'm not sure yet.

Yeah sorry, but i just really dont see big change on the construction site.
As far as i know groundbreaking was in April 27, 2006 (Wiki) so 3 years.

Belive me i will be the most happy if i see this tower rise to the sky!

The site is still being cleared of debris and old underground structures, so the progress is not slow. There have also been many other utilities and train lines that have been built here since the site has been partially cleared. Now that those projects are mostly finished the towers will move ahead at about a floor a week. If they had not built the foundations as tough as they did to improve the safety of the building; the WTC would be up higher already. It will be worth the wait for the safety of our citizens.

North Core steel rising up right now! Behind the tower crane! :banana::banana:

Had Burj Dubai been constructed at this pace it would have taken about 20 years to complete. Maybe with up the time they are taking they can reconsider the design of the top and get rid of that butt-ugly hypodermic needle looking thingy........

Had Burj Dubai been constructed at this pace it would have taken about 20 years to complete. Maybe with up the time they are taking they can reconsider the design of the top and get rid of that butt-ugly hypodermic needle looking thingy........

Well, In Dubai they don't have a problem with ""Falling" airplanes...

They had to build a huge core due to security reasons...

now we are making some progress....

burj dubai was not built in the middle of downtown , dubai pays are also low for their construction workers, also most construction workers there are living in labour camps

North Core steel going up!
http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7551&d=1251981331

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7550&d=1251981317
GreenwichBoy, Wired New York

asi es los trabajadores de burj dubai la mayoria son inmigrantes que no tienen buen salario y viven en campos de trabajo

por lo que se ve en el render, va a quedar impresionante esta torre

^^ http://translate.google.com/translate_t?hl=nl#es|en|

burj dubai was not built in the middle of downtown , dubai pays are also low for their construction workers, also most construction workers there are living in labour camps

That sounds more like a reason to work faster in NY, because of higher labor costs.

That sounds more like a reason to work faster in NY, because of higher labor costs.
Logically it does but union members jobs are very protected and it is very
unlikely they will get fired no matter what. Not much incentive to work fast even though your boss tells you to. The more hours you work the more you make!

Nice updates!

I just love the Freedom tower's design, It'll look great in the skyline...

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Does anybody have updates of the WTC memorial?, I'd love that squared fountains.

There's progress on the north core steel, but jeez, a handfull of steel beams a day. That's it. C'mon foremen, crack the whip.

We've been told once they get up to the regular floors we can expect a floor a week. I'll believe it when I see it.

Sorry for the trolling, some days are just frustrating.

If you look with the cam you can see that what they're spending most of their time on is placing rebar. They have a lot of rebar to place and the kind they're using is so thick and heavy that it takes heavy equipment to move it around.

now we are making some progress....

:lol: :lol: :lol: yes idd...

Hey , Whats with the Earthcam now. You can't get the High Def picture anymore. Unless I'm doing something wrong. Is anyone eles having this problem? It figures right when the North core is rising too. Please let me know. Lance

The north erecting steel already looks high enough for the beams to the perimeter columns to attach to. I wonder if they need to get it to the same stage the south core is at, or they can start putting the northeast columns up now.

Charger - here is a great link for a high def earthcam:

http://www.earthcam.com/clients/groundzero/groundZero.swf

Bugs

The north erecting steel already looks high enough for the beams to the perimeter columns to attach to. I wonder if they need to get it to the same stage the south core is at, or they can start putting the northeast columns up now.The completion of the steel frame will only take a few days, if all. After that we will probably see a second crane jump and new perimeter columns. All that could happen within the next 2-3 weeks.

@Msradell
I intentionally meant the labor costs for the employer and not the wages. Seems like you misinterpreted me.

@Msradell
I intentionally meant the labor costs for the employer and not the wages. Seems like you misinterpreted me.
I understood what you meant but I was explaining that the low paid workers in Dubai and other places like that actually have more incentive to work faster because there's a better chance they could lose their job if they don't. On the other hand the union workers in New York have no incentive to work faster. It's really a double edged sword that hurts the contractors they use union labor in two ways. They'd certainly like the workers to work faster but really have no way of making it happen.

The incentive is that this is 1WTC. That should be enough.

When I visited the site, everyone was working very hard, no people just standing aroung watching, like on a lot of construction projects. You just cannot see that level of detail on the webcam or in most still pictures. There were a few people standing at each gate, dressed as construction workers, but more likely extra security.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2468/3886164332_b410ebae1b_o.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/81533006@N00/3886164332/sizes/o/

If you want to see a stunning contrast go take a look at the thread for the London Shard. They're putting very very little rebar in the support columns and overall it looks so much weaker than this building. This is surprising considering it will be the signature building of London and they have always been the target of terrorist attacks.

Wow Beekman is really getting huge in that shot!

so slow???...

Some day the workers will be able to look "down" on WTC 7...

Since they installed the 60' beams,
the excitement for this project, has returned for me.

If you want to see a stunning contrast go take a look at the thread for the London Shard. They're putting very very little rebar in the support columns and overall it looks so much weaker than this building. This is surprising considering it will be the signature building of London and they have always been the target of terrorist attacks.

Well Zen said on another forum that most of what we've seen so far with all of the rebar and steel is not because of 9/11, but updated New York City building codes. The building must survive a magnitude 5.0 earthquake or higher, and a category 5 hurricane.

I wish I could see this building soon. I really like the building.

wow, were gonna be seeing floors soon aren't we?

wow, were gonna be seeing floors soon aren't we?

Dont be too euphoric about the recent progress, there is still a lot to do. I think we wont see any significant heigth changes until all the lobby columns are put up and plaza level is done. But I could be mistaken.

Well Zen said on another forum that most of what we've seen so far with all of the rebar and steel is not because of 9/11, but updated New York City building codes. The building must survive a magnitude 5.0 earthquake or higher, and a category 5 hurricane.
All fine and good but WTC1 is built significantly stronger than any other building ever has been in NYC including WTC4 and that is certainly built to the same codes.

All fine and good but WTC1 is built significantly stronger than any other building ever has been in NYC including WTC4 and that is certainly built to the same codes.

1WTC is also quite a bit taller....

They have rebar laid for pretty much the entire rest of the memorial plaza today. Looks like they're really moving so it will be ready on Friday for the families of the victims on the eighth anniversary.

I cant wait for these to be done! I love our democratic, capitalistic society, our freedom and constitition. On 9/11, terrorists tried to destroy the soul of America. They failed. For the land of the free, and the home of the brave!!!!!!!!!

Dont be too euphoric about the recent progress, there is still a lot to do. I think we wont see any significant heigth changes until all the lobby columns are put up and plaza level is done. But I could be mistaken.


This is probably correct. It will most likely be winter before the base is completed. There was a press release at one point stating it will rise about 1 floor a week at that point. But there is a lot to do until then. At this point next year it should be 15-20 floors above the base and really starting to pick up steam.

-_- this project is going very slow.

This is probably correct. It will most likely be winter before the base is completed. There was a press release at one point stating it will rise about 1 floor a week at that point. But there is a lot to do until then. At this point next year it should be 15-20 floors above the base and really starting to pick up steam.

I'm pretty skeptical of "1 floor a week" talk. It's been taking 6 months to do one sub-level. I know we've all heard and discussed the difficulties of building in tight places like lower manhattan, PATH tracks, logistics, etc. But it's ridiculous watching cement trucks line up a couple times a week over at 4WTC, and 1WTC gets maybe a cement pouring once a week or every two weeks at best.

It's easy to sit here and monday morning quarterback, but I really wish NY had just shut down the PATH tracks from the beginning and focused entirely on building everything to grade. Forget about grandiose perimeter columns, and core steel (height). Just get everything to plaza level, then restore the PATH line service, and then build up.

I always thought the "one floor a week" was BS. The core can't rise that fast and the core steel can only go so high before being encased in the core cement.

The sequence would go something like this 1) core columns 2) Perimeter columns 3) 170+ floor and spandrel beams 4) decking 5) temporary shoring installed 6)about 2,000 shear studs welded to the floor beams through the decking 7) re-bar placed 8) slab poured

The higher they go the more time it takes to get everything up there.

I'm thinking more like 2 weeks per floor.

PS: I do this for a living and I am living well.

One floor in 2 weeks would still be faster than the current (already fast) progress. The tower would be finished in 2 years then. but it looks like the rebar will take most of the time...

I was just looking at the picture and got to wondering how they'll get the 400' spire up. Will they use something like gin poles to build it like they would a radio tower?

The plan was to use one tower crane to hoist the 20 foot high sections into place. I doubt a redesign of the spire would alter that.

???it says there's 512 pages, yet the most it lets me see is 511?!?!?must be my computer?

???it says there's 512 pages, yet the most it lets me see is 511?!?!?must be my computer?

It's some sort of glitch, all the threads have this problem. There is no pg 512 (yet).

I've just noticed in the earthcam pic that they've taken the roof off the PATH tracks that go around the South Pool... are they preparing to re-roof these so that the rest of the steelwork can be erected for the south end of the plaza?

I've just noticed in the earthcam pic that they've taken the roof off the PATH tracks that go around the South Pool... are they preparing to re-roof these so that the rest of the steelwork can be erected for the south end of the plaza?

Yes they are. Both the SW corner of the memorial and the N, NE section of the south pool should be finished sometime in the next few months. Initially the SW corner will only have work done during weekends.

Also once the big crane finishes the perimeter columns on the east side of 1WTC it will begin installing steel in the NE corner of the memorial and PATH station. That most likely won't start till early next year (but maybe December).

They also started the rebar work on the western south pool wall during last week. ;)

Good jobs! Good luck!

Dont be too euphoric about the recent progress, there is still a lot to do. I think we wont see any significant heigth changes until all the lobby columns are put up and plaza level is done. But I could be mistaken.

ok thanks 4 the update.

this doesnt sound good
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/09/08/2679283.htm

Oh god. Please no more of that "finished by 2018" bullshit. That will never happen.

We'll hear more about the construction progress again as we approach September 11.

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the WTC is a prime example of why New York is loosing is top spot in the world to other cities like London. Why is it so hard to construct Skyscrapers today in a city like New York who had dozens of skyscrapers being built at the same time in periods like the 1930's. This people make such a big deal for every skyscraper built today in this city. This, slows downs growth and makes urban-renewal even more difficult. If New York doesnt get to work and starts to flourish again with new constructions then i dont see a bright future for this city i love.

the WTC is a prime example of why New York is loosing is top spot in the world to other cities like London. Why is it so hard to construct Skyscrapers today in a city like New York who had dozens of skyscrapers being built at the same time in periods like the 1930's. This people make such a big deal for every skyscraper built today in this city. This, slows downs growth and makes urban-renewal even more difficult. If New York doesnt get to work and starts to flourish again with new constructions then i dont see a bright future for this city i love.

NYC could never build another skyscraper and it would still remain the most important city in the US and one of the most important in the world.

exellent job, good photos

the WTC is a prime example of why New York is loosing is top spot in the world to other cities like London. Why is it so hard to construct Skyscrapers today in a city like New York who had dozens of skyscrapers being built at the same time in periods like the 1930's. This people make such a big deal for every skyscraper built today in this city. This, slows downs growth and makes urban-renewal even more difficult. If New York doesnt get to work and starts to flourish again with new constructions then i dont see a bright future for this city i love.There are still lots of skyscrapers being built or planned in NY, but not supertalls.

the WTC is a prime example of why New York is loosing is top spot in the world to other cities like London. Why is it so hard to construct Skyscrapers today in a city like New York who had dozens of skyscrapers being built at the same time in periods like the 1930's. This people make such a big deal for every skyscraper built today in this city. This, slows downs growth and makes urban-renewal even more difficult. If New York doesnt get to work and starts to flourish again with new constructions then i dont see a bright future for this city i love.

London has nothing to do with skyscrapers. It doesn't have even a single supertall building right now- only a single one in early construction stages.

the WTC is a prime example of why New York is loosing is top spot in the world to other cities like London. Why is it so hard to construct Skyscrapers today in a city like New York who had dozens of skyscrapers being built at the same time in periods like the 1930's. This people make such a big deal for every skyscraper built today in this city. This, slows downs growth and makes urban-renewal even more difficult. If New York doesnt get to work and starts to flourish again with new constructions then i dont see a bright future for this city i love.

First of all.............London has a lot of catching up to do to NYC, height wise. Also, a building loses it's cost effectiveness when you build at supertalll heights, which is why you don't see as many as we would like to here in the USA.

As far as the slow construction progress.............what's holding it up is/was 9/11 bureaucracy on what is appropriate to build and who is in charge/cleanup/investigation/construction, and the RECESSION is a big reason. Remember many parties are involved, The Port Authority, City, Developer, US Government etc. Certain buildings on site are having trouble to get financed because of this recession which is also effecting the construction schedule due to the various connections from the other areas of the site to 1WTC.

But in the 30's it seems constructions boomed because of the recession. Many iconic structures were built that time. Why this time everything slowed down, including construction? Just wondering.


First of all.............London has a lot of catching up to do to NYC, height wise. Also, a building loses it's cost effectiveness when you build at supertalll heights, which is why you don't see as many as we would like to here in the USA.

As far as the slow construction progress.............what's holding it up is/was 9/11 bureaucracy on what is appropriate to build and who is in charge/cleanup/investigation/construction, and the RECESSION is a big reason. Remember many parties are involved, The Port Authority, City, Developer, US Government etc. Certain buildings on site are having trouble to get financed because of this recession which is also effecting the construction schedule due to the various connections from the other areas of the site to 1WTC.

Well, if there was a big boom after the recession in the 30's, you should come back in a few years after the recent recession is over.

the WTC is a prime example of why New York is loosing is top spot in the world to other cities like London. Why is it so hard to construct Skyscrapers today in a city like New York who had dozens of skyscrapers being built at the same time in periods like the 1930's. This people make such a big deal for every skyscraper built today in this city. This, slows downs growth and makes urban-renewal even more difficult. If New York doesnt get to work and starts to flourish again with new constructions then i dont see a bright future for this city i love.

New York has plenty of modern buildings. New York is MUCH more confined than London is. You try putting a massive cluster of skyscrapers in an island 21km long and 4km wide, with a few areas of that strong enough to sustain tall buildings.

And also, there was way less taller buildings in the 1930's than today, not too mention historical buildings in the area PLUS the lifeline (PATH and a subway) of New York right under the site. And think of it this way; you have your medieval and Renaissance buildings in London, we have our art deco and internationalist buildings in Manhattan.

By the way, for proof of more modern buildings, check Midtown and even in the close proximity of ground zero. You'll find at least three buildings under construction near the World Trade Center site, plus tons of newer highrises and skyscrapers in midtown.

New York has plenty of modern buildings. New York is MUCH more confined than London is. You try putting a massive cluster of skyscrapers in an island 21km long and 4km wide, with a few areas of that strong enough to sustain tall buildings.

And also, there was way less taller buildings in the 1930's than today, not too mention historical buildings in the area PLUS the lifeline (PATH and a subway) of New York right under the site. And think of it this way; you have your medieval and Renaissance buildings in London, we have our art deco and internationalist buildings in Manhattan.

By the way, for proof of more modern buildings, check Midtown and even in the close proximity of ground zero. You'll find at least three buildings under construction near the World Trade Center site, plus tons of newer highrises and skyscrapers in midtown.



I would just like to correct you on two things, firstly may I say I agree with many of the things you said, but, I disagree with a few. You said that only a few areas of manhattan can sustain tall buildings, however this is not correct, under Manhattan lies the strongest rock in the world, Manhattan Schist, to be exact, almost any part of Manhattan if not any part of Manhattan is suitable for building tall buildings, probably more suited than any other place in the world. My second point is that you say New York is isolated, I agree on a global scale it is, but nationally, it is within 5 hours of Philadelphia, Boston, Washington D.C., Richmond, and many other places.

I would just like to correct you on two things, firstly may I say I agree with many of the things you said, but, I disagree with a few. You said that only a few areas of manhattan can sustain tall buildings, however this is not correct, under Manhattan lies the strongest rock in the world, Manhattan Schist, to be exact, almost any part of Manhattan if not any part of Manhattan is suitable for building tall buildings, probably more suited than any other place in the world. My second point is that you say New York is isolated, I agree on a global scale it is, but nationally, it is within 5 hours of Philadelphia, Boston, Washington D.C., Richmond, and many other places.

I never said it was isolated, as I live in the suburbs of New York City myself, and know firsthand how close it is. If my wording appeared that way, I didn't mean it to. Even then, New York isn't isolated internationally, either. It's one of the most economically important cities in the world at this point in time.

And I was referring more to the area of brownstones between Midtown and Downtown, though that might have been misinformation from my father who used to work in the city. He said the bedrock wasn't as strong as the areas of Downtown and Midtown, which is why there isn't any buildings taller than a few hundred feet there. Seems that I've been lied to or misinformed for quite a few years, then. Thanks for the clarification.

Also, I apologize for going off topic.

Progress looks good. :D

Aren't there 3 supertalls going up in this development alone, two of which would be condsidered "the tallest building" in almost any city in the world? And people are complaining why...

Aren't there 3 supertalls going up in this development alone, two of which would be condsidered "the tallest building" in almost any city in the world? And people are complaining why...

1WTC and 2WTC are going to be the two tallest. I forget the exact height of 3WTC, but it's definitely going to be in the top 5 if built.