HD cam is back on track with actualised pic!!!

^^
And like NYC's firetrucks, that crane was built here in Wisconsin!

:yes:

(couldn't resist!)

:cheers1:

Mike

Pieces (no idea what their called) arrived for the north core crane. Should jump anyday now.
Do you mean columns, like in the previous photos (those big red columns)? Any photos?

Do you mean columns, like in the previous photos (those big red columns)? Any photos?

I think he means those black tower sections. They have been using them to support the boom for the 18000 while they assembled it. The boom is being raised now, they still need to assemble and attach the jib (the upper boom section that tilts independently). The pieces for that are lying on the floor there.

1 WTC is coming along, slowly but surely. i think when they finish the base the construction will speed up (like beekman)! i'm most excited about the final design of the spire which will be the (new) beacon light of nyc! :)

1 WTC is coming along, slowly but surely. i think when they finish the base the construction will speed up (like beekman)! i'm most excited about the final design of the spire which will be the (new) beacon light of nyc! :)

thats just what new york needs... lol more light pollution :nuts:

If you live in NYC and complain about light pollution, you're in the wrong damn city.

If you live in NYC and complain about light pollution, you're in the wrong damn city.Amen.

Why will it take all the way to 2013 to get this building done?

Shouldn't it be ready by late 2010?

In Dubai they finish 100story skyscrapers within a year...whats the delay here?

Why will it take all the way to 2013 to get this building done?

Shouldn't it be ready by late 2010?

In Dubai they finish 100story skyscrapers within a year...whats the delay here?

Why don't you read not all the thread, but at least the last pages?
It's a question that has been asked at least 3 times a week :ohno:

Let's see here. Building a supetall office building in one of the densest business districts in the world, over active subway tracks and the grave of 2000 people, vs. building some needle out in the desert? Think about this from an engineering standpoint. Take a look at the earthcam and compare this construction site to the ones in dubai.

if you would have gone back a few pages you could have found your answer..please do that next time before asking because its annoying when it get ask hundreds of times....no offense

damn cam stuck again.... sighhhhhh :bash:

I think he means those black tower sections. They have been using them to support the boom for the 18000 while they assembled it. The boom is being raised now, they still need to assemble and attach the jib (the upper boom section that tilts independently). The pieces for that are lying on the floor there.
Those items, are visible in the previous photos here?

wow this things making alot of progress

Those items, are visible in the previous photos here?

Here is a picture of one of the tower sections :
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/5606/180001.jpg


In this picture the jib butt (bottom section) is visible attached to the top of the boom (circled in red). Another section of the jib is lying on the ground behind the boom (circled in green). You can also see the black tower sections, just to the right of the red circle.
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/8638/180002.jpg

HI TO ALL!!!!!

I DON'T REALLY KNOW IF THEY ARE GOING ''UP'' OR ''DOWN'' BUT IF IT CONTINUES LIKE THIS IN 30 YEARS I MIGHT BE 6 FEET UNDER....AND ''FREEDOM'' TOWER WILL BE IN FLOOR 50......''MAYBE''.

SALUDOS.....

Where about are these Earthcams? What buildings are they situated in?

Could someone drop some links :)

HI TO ALL!!!!!

I DON'T REALLY KNOW IF THEY ARE GOING ''UP'' OR ''DOWN'' BUT IF IT CONTINUES LIKE THIS IN 30 YEARS I MIGHT BE 6 FEET UNDER....AND ''FREEDOM'' TOWER WILL BE IN FLOOR 50......''MAYBE''.

SALUDOS.....

:lol:...yeah i know rite!this is so sloww

HI TO ALL!!!!! I DON'T REALLY KNOW IF THEY ARE GOING ''UP'' OR ''DOWN'' BUT IF IT CONTINUES LIKE THIS IN 30 YEARS I MIGHT BE 6 FEET UNDER....AND ''FREEDOM'' TOWER WILL BE IN FLOOR 50......''MAYBE''. SALUDOS..... Anyway u look at it you'll be dead long before this thing will 1 floor or 100

Where about are these Earthcams? What buildings are they situated in?

Could someone drop some links :)

The HD cam, atop the Millennium Hilton.
http://www.national911memorial.org/site/PageServer?pagename=New_Visit_EarthCam

Another good cam (when its up), its located in the World Financial Center. I think 2WFC, specifically.
http://rebuildgroundzero.org/webcam/rgz_000.jpg?refresh=60&altText=Groud+Zero+Webcam+-+Rebuild+Ground+Zero+.org&camImgY=768&camImgX=960&imageurl=http://rebuildgroundzero.org/webcam/rgz_000.jpg

In an apartment building across the street from the SW corner of the WTC plot.
http://sharef.net/webcam.jpg

A lower quality cam, probably in Millenium Hilton as well.
http://www.earthcam.com/usa/newyork/groundzero/

Thats (the earth cam) is pritty cool

Thanks for the links.

Slowly and progressively this complex is going, but its making progression, which is good, better than it being stalled.

Good thing when 1WTC is completed, it will gain tallest building status in the US, since the Chicago Spire is on Hold.

It should look pretty good when completed with 7WTC and the new Goldman Sachs Headquarters next to the WFC,

Any new rendering by anychance? :)

Here is a picture of one of the tower sections :
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/5606/180001.jpg
In this picture the jib butt (bottom section) is visible attached to the top of the boom (circled in red). Another section of the jib is lying on the ground behind the boom (circled in green). You can also see the black tower sections, just to the right of the red circle.
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/8638/180002.jpg
Thanks for the photos and the info, it was helpful...

btw the earthcam(s) are still "down", not working?

what do they use all of that wood for?

I see no little yellow vested workers around the site this afternoon. Friday afternoon off to drink beer at Oktoberfest? Wait, wrong city.

will the roor of the lobby have rebar and concrete on top of the sheet metal or just plane concrete interesting thing to know could reduce alot of time needed for the floors to be finished

will the roor of the lobby have rebar and concrete on top of the sheet metal or just plane concrete interesting thing to know could reduce alot of time needed for the floors to be finished

There's always rebar in concrete. How much depends on how strong it needs to be, and how well it is being supported from below.

thats going to be one extra strong floor steal, sheet medal and concete they should be done with the steel erection and fully concreted floor by the end of october hopfully if theres no more delays

Earthcam shows that one of the tempary walking surfeses on top of one of the horizontal beams has been removed probibly to aid in the floring of the lobby roof nice progress coming along

Pics from today. :)


http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t263/DKNY617/IMG_0582.jpg
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t263/DKNY617/IMG_0583.jpg
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t263/DKNY617/IMG_0584.jpg
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t263/DKNY617/IMG_0585.jpg

Nice pics!!

Base steel all most done!

Very nice pictures NYCD, excellent! :okay:

looks like big red getting dismantled ( east side)

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t263/DKNY617/IMG_0582.jpg

According this photo, if compare this with the previous ones there is a good progress in WTC1

I still cant get over the size of those beams, there huge, i wonder how long they took to fabricate, and more how long to transport from NJ to lower Manhattan.

The proposed performing arts center. is it similar sized footprint of 1WTC?

I thought of this thats all;

7WTC would loose its view though, doubt anything like this would ever happen, but its inspiring.

^^ That's definitely awe inspiring! :cheers:

The only thing that would make it better would be if the buildings themselves were actually 1776' tall and those ugly hypodermic needles were gone! :)

LOL, "hypodermic needle", is the name of the stupid tower we had built in my city back in 2000, looks like shit now, and is earning a loss a decade later from failed tourism.

1776ft for the roof height and 2001ft for the spire height would of been more fitting as well as symbolic, i think this idea has been mentioned several times on this very thread. Would be great though.

great progress with the steels ,keep it up guys .

looks like big red getting dismantled ( east side)

:weird:

wow, lightning-fast progress! great job New York :D

Very very slow the constructions... :ohno:

wow, lightning-fast progress! great job New York :D

Very very slow the constructions... :ohno:

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Very fast construction now, really hope you get the Norman foster tower too. Only time will tell..

looks like big red getting dismantled ( east side)

You're right, they did take it apart but then put it back together with a longer jib and shorter main boom.
It can now lift higher, with greater reach, but with reduced capacity.

New(?) dbox renderings posted by Derek2k3 at WNY.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3444/3954471643_4c49274f52_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2666/3954471641_f9271dae0a_o.jpg


http://www.dbox.com/

Looks gorgeous.

I still cant get over the size of those beams, there huge, i wonder how long they took to fabricate, and more how long to transport from NJ to lower Manhattan.

The proposed performing arts center. is it similar sized footprint of 1WTC?

I thought of this thats all;
http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp226/KIGO1987/posible3.jpg
7WTC would loose its view though, doubt anything like this would ever happen, but its inspiring.

This one looks so much better than a lonely WTC1...

1776ft for the roof height and 2001ft for the spire height would of been more fitting as well as symbolic, i think this idea has been mentioned several times on this very thread. Would be great though.


I couldnt agree more. I've always thought the same thing. A roof height of 1776 with a spire of 2001 makes much more sense. Not to mention that the building would have a larger presence in the skyline than what was there before... and would serve, by default, as a better memorial and reminder.

1776 to commemorate the birth of the country and 2001 as the symbolic height to remember 9/11. Why build something that is the same size as what was there before? Not to mention all the supertalls that are going up around the world. 1WTC wont even rank among the top ten tallest buildings in the world. If it was built to a height of 2001 it would have a better ranking and help to elevate the skyline in NYC into the future.

Oh well... just my opinon... and it doesnt matter now.. the building is begining to rise.

New(?) dbox renderings posted by Derek2k3 at WNY.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3444/3954471643_4c49274f52_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2666/3954471641_f9271dae0a_o.jpg


http://www.dbox.com/

Looks gorgeous.


sexy photos

it`s getting up now !!!!!!

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3444/3954471643_4c49274f52_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2666/3954471641_f9271dae0a_o.jpg


Very nice renders, beautiful!

I'm try to make a trip out there tomorrow can't say if i'll take pics might have to use my phone or hope my camera works

those are beautiful renderings :)

very beautiful renderings

Oooo... dunno if this has been mentioned already, but they've started installing steel framework over the exposed PATH tracks at the south end of the Memorial Complex. The gap is starting to be filled :D

I like this rendering even better...

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d26/WorkingAtPerfekt/Me/1776.gif

I like this rendering even better...

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d26/WorkingAtPerfekt/Me/1776.gif

hah, yea that would be cool

I like this rendering even better...

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d26/WorkingAtPerfekt/Me/1776.gif

Ditto

Can work out like this,

1 WTC (FT)
2 WTC (an identical FT beside it, where the Peforming Arts Center is)
3 WTC (200 Greenwich st)
4 WTC (175 Greenwich st)
5 WTC (150 Greenwich st)
6 WTC (130 Liberty st)
7 WTC as 7WTC

That way all the buildings add up again.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3518/3956595845_52403bac0c_b.jpg

I like this rendering even better...

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d26/WorkingAtPerfekt/Me/1776.gif

There isn't enough room and it would require a complete reworking of the site. I wanted twins at first but I've grown to like all four of the new tower designs and I'd be saddened to lose any of them.

Would people get over the twin WTC 1 already? i understand the appeal completely, but i feel as if we should try to appreciate what is gonna be there now, and judging by those renders, it really is going to be just as powerful as the original towers... Absolutely beautiful... and i have a question, is that a floor i see being installed at the top of the beams or just a surface for the workers?

Notice that it isnt the old towers in the renderings but 2 freedom towers lol its a joke

I think that it actually looks better the way it is going to be built than with tower 2 and 3.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b233/deryn/wtcc1.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b233/deryn/wtcc1.jpg

This probably is the most realistic render of this site in a decade time,

Just 1WTC, 4WTC, 7WTC, and some shitty stumps. if at all.

Earthcam is fogged, but you can make out some perimeter columns on the east side.

Those pics of the massive beams up close are fantastic! No such thing as slow progress on this project and now there's proof.

Take my word for it,it's certainly going to be one of the best skycrapers ever built in New York city.

There isn't enough room and it would require a complete reworking of the site. I wanted twins at first but I've grown to like all four of the new tower designs and I'd be saddened to lose any of them.



I like this one too, it looks more beautiful and make scene:banana::banana::banana:

Take my word for it,it's certainly going to be one of the best skycrapers ever built in New York city.

Engineering wise, it's probably one of the most extensive in the city (counting the cleanup), possibly topped by the original WTC.

Engineering wise, it's probably one of the most extensive in the city (counting the cleanup), possibly topped by the original WTC.What's the reason behind that(the words in bold italic)?

What's the reason behind that(the words in bold italic)?

The demolition of Radio Row, the construction of the bathtub, and the PATH network. The sand from the original WTC excavation is where Battery Park City is today. Only reason why I'd say it was a little more extensive.

Glad to see progress the last months.

Maybe it is slow, but it will go faster once the crisis is over and the tower gets higher. :)

omg the high-def cam is so foggy i can only make out WTC 1 reflecting pool and the rest of the path station

l... and i have a question, is that a floor i see being installed at the top of the beams or just a surface for the workers?

yes it is the third floor

The second floor is a transfer floor which hangs below it

http://www.flickr.com/photos/35124796@N04/3935120605/


The almost completed west crane can be seen here for those who can't see through the fog

Please wait for the cam to cycle to the 1wtc

http://www.earthcam.com/swf/cam_player/enlarge_image.php?type=live&path=http://63.229.55.21/ec_metros/ourcams/milleniumhilton1.jpg&name=World%20Trade%20Center%20&width=640&height=480&img_width=320&img_height=240

The almost completed west crane can be seen here for those who can't see through the fog

http://www.earthcam.com/swf/cam_player/enlarge_image.php?type=live&path=http://63.229.55.21/ec_metros/ourcams/milleniumhilton1.jpg&name=World%20Trade%20Center%20&width=640&height=480&img_width=320&img_height=240

That's not the crane we all talkin' about...
The one we talkin' about is on 1WTC site...

Fantastic view from Earthcam.

It's like 2006 all over again. Looks like the camera is tied with some kind of rope????

I guess they're tryin' to clean it or fix it or something like that...

Earthcam is out. :/ Anyone have any form of an update? D:

imagine if they made new twins just like the old ones but the glass was on the outside of the perimeter steel so it still had the same look but all spankin new n shiny.

Fantastic view from Earthcam.

:lol: it's HD

Is there room on the WTC site to add another Tower in the future?

I would love it that Twin Towers would rise again.....

Is there room on the WTC site to add another Tower in the future?

I would love it that Twin Towers would rise again.....

Twin Towers..
I'll tell you know, not a chance

God I wish people would just let the twin towers idea go. They're gone, get over it. What we're (hopefully) getting now is just as powerful.

^^ I don't know man, it looks like an ordinary building....I mean there is nothing iconic about it...

In movies they showed the Twin Towers and you knew it was New York

Or When they show the Eiffel Tower...its Paris, or Big Ben in London, or Burj Dubai and you know its Dubai....

I mean when they show this building, you will be guessing which city this is, Dubai, Chicago or New York....

Designers need to grow more balls and come up with a more innovative design which is sexy, sleek, modern, innovative, iconic and identifiable....

they sadly missed the mark on this one..i am afriad

unfortunately this site shuts down because the owner moves

http://howtodaylooksgroundzero.blogspot.com/

although not the best camera, at least it used to be reliable

http://rebuildgroundzero.org/webcam/rgz_000.jpg is back.

Twin Towers..
I'll tell you know, not a chance

^^ I don't know man, it looks like an ordinary building....I mean there is nothing iconic about it...

In movies they showed the Twin Towers and you knew it was New York

Or When they show the Eiffel Tower...its Paris, or Big Ben in London, or Burj Dubai and you know its Dubai....

I mean when they show this building, you will be guessing which city this is, Dubai, Chicago or New York....

Designers need to grow more balls and come up with a more innovative design which is sexy, sleek, modern, innovative, iconic and identifiable....

they sadly missed the mark on this one..i am afriad

Until i see some physical development in the eastern buthtub, other than the new PATH HUB (as well 4WTC), there is still a chance for either a second FT development, or a new twin development on the 200 and 175 Greenwich tower sites. Imagine coming out of the PATH HUB in a decades time, and directly above you are two 2000ft towers, similar to that of Kenneth Gardner design, that would be amazing, unlikely, but still there its a possibility, and a massive desire for it also.

Mercenary is right, in movies of the 70 to 90s you could always tell its NYC. Now your are always pondering what city it is. And only good skyscraper guru's can tell its NYC by identifying complexs like the WFC in movies, other than that, it can be confused with another city.

http://rebuildgroundzero.org/webcam/rgz_000.jpg is back.

Great, if you want to see a reflection of the camera.

Earthcam team: Can you please fix the HD cam, and do it right? This thing can't go two days without screwing up, pointing at mud, pointing at a roof or rail, no uploads, frozen shot for 5 days... I mean come on! This is not the Hubble telescope!

WTC1 is entering a new quicker build phase and NOW is the time to see daily changes!

New(?) dbox renderings posted by Derek2k3 at WNY.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2666/3954471641_f9271dae0a_o.jpg

this is really cool.

they have been trying to fix it..if u go and look the camera is live and is pointing at the roof because they are fixing it

I thought a strong gust of wind knocked down the camera or something.

Well its getting fixed, so thats good.

Once they get done putting up the steel columns on the west side, are they going to start pouring the concrete on the core? Or will they pour while setting the columns?

they have been trying to fix it..if u go and look the camera is live and is pointing at the roof because they are fixing it

and you know that how?

Fantastic view from Earthcam.

:lol: it's HD

probably quad-HD...i can even see single stones on the ground :P

Now it has switched from the rocks on a roof view, to a correct image! That is only about two weeks old...

Now it has switched from the rocks on a roof view, to a correct image! That is only about two weeks old...

lmao that just sad :lol:

Now it has switched from the rocks on a roof view, to a correct image! That is only about two weeks old...

man i wish they will hurry up and get it fixed

Don't freak. Judging by RBGZ, nothing major has happened today anyway.

Updated photos today from Wired NY:

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_3T08TVQ0h2g/SsC-uJzypNI/AAAAAAAADYg/wq19zn5jwQY/s800/DSC02199.JPG

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2517/3962079087_24ac37f533_o.jpg

^^The big piece on the left is a section of perimiter column with conections for girts. The unpainted stuff is probably 2nd floor and the painted stuff is probably 3rd floor mezzanine.

For some perspective, the trailers are either 48' or 52' by 8'6" wide.

I think that it actually looks better the way it is going to be built than with tower 2 and 3.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b233/deryn/wtcc1.jpg

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/7194/bncfnxfn.jpg

^^
Ehhhh I don't know. It's not "bad". It's just not "good" either. It would be nice if they could at least build Tower 2, as well. Tower 3 I'm not as concerned over.

^^The big piece on the left is a section of perimiter column with conections for girts. The unpainted stuff is probably 2nd floor and the painted stuff is probably 3rd floor mezzanine.

For some perspective, the trailers are either 48' or 52' by 8'6" wide.

Thanks for the insight, that helps!

The 1800 crane is up!! Now lets hope tomorrow we can see the first beams on that site being placed (and that the HD cam will be back up).

^^ I don't know man, it looks like an ordinary building....I mean there is nothing iconic about it...


There was nothing particularly iconic about Twin Towers, except the fact that they are were in New York.

That's some good weed yer smokin there Vanzetti, now do be good, and share.

The Twins would have been a landmark in ANY city in the world. But they graced the skyline of New York for 30 years. Sure other citys had taller buildings, but New York had TWO giant ugly beautyful monsters !!!!!!!!

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/7194/bncfnxfn.jpg


That doesn't look nice at all.. It looks like another high rise building is suppose to be there. I'm telling you, that is not suppose to put NY back on top with that mess! Dowtown always has the better looking skyline over Midtown pre 9/11 but I guess Midtown will still be the superior skyline after all. Damn Shame!

Now it has switched from the rocks on a roof view, to a correct image! That is only about two weeks old...Hopefully the fact that they've switched it to an archive image means they now realize they have a problem and plan to fix it.

Hey,

I have been lurking on this board for some time - I have enjoyed all of your posts. I had a question concerning this building:

The recent renders that have been put up have the top of WTC1 with the spacecraft looking roof. Is that the roof, or is the other design the final rooftop?

Here it is in the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn18gt-TeBs

I prefer the one from the video myself, but I haven't been able to find if they had decided since there are a lot of renders out there.

Thanks!

the new crane is up really way up lol its huge i just walked home you cant even see the top on the live cam

Cops stalling Ground Zero rebuild

A nitpicking cop crackdown on concrete at Ground Zero is costing taxpayers millions and snarling construction at the already behind-schedule Freedom Tower and other structures at the site, cement suppliers say.

Cops harass their mixing trucks with inspections that take so long, the concrete starts to harden and can't be used, the firms say.

Suppliers say police hold some rigs at a weigh station for up to two hours, during which the mix begins to set, forcing the trucks to turn back without unloading.

They're also writing a flurry of tickets -- retaliation by Police Commissioner Ray Kelly in an ongoing turf war with the Port Authority, industry and police sources say.

The authority owns Ground Zero and patrols the construction zone with its own police force.

The NYPD sought to control security there but remains on the sidelines until construction of the Freedom Tower and other skyscrapers is complete.

"Ray Kelly and Mayor Bloomberg are trying to flex their muscles at the Trade Center site -- it seems they are intentionally holding the concrete pourers at the site," said Paul Nunziato, incoming president of the Port Authority's biggest police union.

Concrete-truck drivers say they've been pummeled with violations, some for seemingly minor offenses such as having a dirty license plate. One firm's fleet got hit with 46 tickets in a single day.

NYPD highway cops run a makeshift weigh station on Trinity Place, a few blocks south of a Ground Zero entrance gate, pulling over trucks as they approach.

"They are there four to five days a week," said a site supervisor for Tishman Construction, which is building the Freedom Tower. "They'll hold as many as 10 trucks a day."

Cops check permits and equipment, aggressively combing over vehicles, drivers say.

"They'll bust everybody who comes through there," said a driver for Ferrara Brothers Building Materials, which supplies concrete to the site's transportation hub and Tower Four. "A couple of times they held us for over an hour and we had to return. After 90 minutes, the mix is no good. One time they said my brake line was rubbing against a tire and they towed me."

Police also snag trucks at a security stop on Broadway near Cedar Street, drivers said.

The action is driving up taxpayer costs on a project that has already ballooned to $16 billion, industry leaders said.

"One day you have 300 union guys waiting on a deck to pour concrete," said a cement company executive. "They're all making $70 an hour and now they're all just standing around. Do you know how expensive that is?"

One expert estimated the damage at about $1.2 million per week, or some $25 million since the crackdown began in May.

And the glacial pace of construction slows.

The Freedom Tower's completion date has already been pushed back to 2013.

Work on the Freedom Tower began in April 2006. Three and a half years later, the structure rises about eight stories -- most of it steel frame.

"I built Trump World Tower, which is 92 stories, in 18 months," said Donald Trump. "I've done four floors in a week. What's happening at the Freedom Tower is a terrible situation."

"The idea that construction projects that are so vitally important to the future of our city . . . would become collateral damage in what is, essentially, a turf war is unconscionable," said Denise Richardson, managing director of the General Contractors Association of New York.

Asked about the ticket blitz, NYPD spokesman Paul Browne said, "No comment."

The weigh station was not in effect last week, leading some observers to speculate that an "armistice" is in the works.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/cops_stalling_ground_zero_rebuild_Cajx3VaYJGM2ag3i1w2qYJ

The cranes up its huge! cant even see it in earthcam

the new crane is up really way up lol its huge i just walked home you cant even see the top on the live cam

The cranes up its huge! cant even see it in earthcam

is this a spam center? same thing in Wired forums....

is this a spam center? same thing in Wired forums....

Ummm no i just got excited by it is all sorry

is this a spam center? same thing in Wired forums....

I don't think those comments are spam. Nothing wrong with posting one's enthusiam.

Cops stalling Ground Zero rebuild

A nitpicking cop crackdown on concrete at Ground Zero is costing taxpayers millions and snarling construction at the already behind-schedule Freedom Tower and other structures at the site, cement suppliers say.

Cops harass their mixing trucks with inspections that take so long, the concrete starts to harden and can't be used, the firms say.

Suppliers say police hold some rigs at a weigh station for up to two hours, during which the mix begins to set, forcing the trucks to turn back without unloading.

They're also writing a flurry of tickets -- retaliation by Police Commissioner Ray Kelly in an ongoing turf war with the Port Authority, industry and police sources say.

The authority owns Ground Zero and patrols the construction zone with its own police force.

The NYPD sought to control security there but remains on the sidelines until construction of the Freedom Tower and other skyscrapers is complete.

"Ray Kelly and Mayor Bloomberg are trying to flex their muscles at the Trade Center site -- it seems they are intentionally holding the concrete pourers at the site," said Paul Nunziato, incoming president of the Port Authority's biggest police union.

Concrete-truck drivers say they've been pummeled with violations, some for seemingly minor offenses such as having a dirty license plate. One firm's fleet got hit with 46 tickets in a single day.

NYPD highway cops run a makeshift weigh station on Trinity Place, a few blocks south of a Ground Zero entrance gate, pulling over trucks as they approach.

"They are there four to five days a week," said a site supervisor for Tishman Construction, which is building the Freedom Tower. "They'll hold as many as 10 trucks a day."

Cops check permits and equipment, aggressively combing over vehicles, drivers say.

"They'll bust everybody who comes through there," said a driver for Ferrara Brothers Building Materials, which supplies concrete to the site's transportation hub and Tower Four. "A couple of times they held us for over an hour and we had to return. After 90 minutes, the mix is no good. One time they said my brake line was rubbing against a tire and they towed me."

Police also snag trucks at a security stop on Broadway near Cedar Street, drivers said.

The action is driving up taxpayer costs on a project that has already ballooned to $16 billion, industry leaders said.

"One day you have 300 union guys waiting on a deck to pour concrete," said a cement company executive. "They're all making $70 an hour and now they're all just standing around. Do you know how expensive that is?"

One expert estimated the damage at about $1.2 million per week, or some $25 million since the crackdown began in May.

And the glacial pace of construction slows.

The Freedom Tower's completion date has already been pushed back to 2013.

Work on the Freedom Tower began in April 2006. Three and a half years later, the structure rises about eight stories -- most of it steel frame.

"I built Trump World Tower, which is 92 stories, in 18 months," said Donald Trump. "I've done four floors in a week. What's happening at the Freedom Tower is a terrible situation."

"The idea that construction projects that are so vitally important to the future of our city . . . would become collateral damage in what is, essentially, a turf war is unconscionable," said Denise Richardson, managing director of the General Contractors Association of New York.

Asked about the ticket blitz, NYPD spokesman Paul Browne said, "No comment."

The weigh station was not in effect last week, leading some observers to speculate that an "armistice" is in the works.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/cops_stalling_ground_zero_rebuild_Cajx3VaYJGM2ag3i1w2qYJ

Thats absolutely fucked :(

The entire issue about NYPD slowing down construction at ground zero is just hysterical and shows how really F_c_ed up NYC is! Their own agencies can't work together to rebuild something terrorists destroyed. Of course NYPD and FDNY are always having turf wars of one kind or another, one example of that is the fact that they both run rescue units for automobile accidents and such. That is just about as screwed up is this situation is.

Of course not only do disputes like this raise the price of everything but look at the price given as the hourly rate for cement workers! $70.00 an hour for that type of work is just ridiculous, even if that number includes all of their benefits it's exorbitantly high. No wonder everything costs so much in New York, the unions are driving the city to ruin. It's actually kind of a race to see who destroys it first, the politicians or unions. It will be a miracle if this building ever gets completed.

oops. To make it count. love the newer renders!

It will be a miracle if this building ever gets completed.

You've got to be kidding. Douchebag cops cause hiccups here and there, but that's no reason to think this tower won't be built.

You've got to be kidding. Douchebag cops cause hiccups here and there, but that's no reason to think this tower won't be built.
You definitely take statements too literally! :bash:

Don't freak. Judging by RBGZ, nothing major has happened today anyway.

I am freakin. I see on the non HD cam that a whole BUNCH more columns are already up and this new humangous crane is in full swing! (pun copyright Viperfreak 2009) I would LOVE to see it happening on the HD cam.

The story on the concrete trucks will bring bad publicity to the situation, where the mayor will be cornered at a press conference to say that he has just 'fixed' the situation and make it look like he is the savior....same story over and over. Politics sux.

The Freedom Tower's completion date has already been pushed back to 2013.

Work on the Freedom Tower began in April 2006. Three and a half years later, the structure rises about eight stories -- most of it steel frame.The post does this every article about the Freedom Tower, and it drives me nuts. The date's been 2013 for a long time, and April 2006 is when Silverstein and the PANYNJ agreed on a plan -- NOT when construction began in earnest.

As for Trump, I doubt any of his towers were designed to withstand what 1WTC will be capable of withstanding.

Nice

"One day you have 300 union guys waiting on a deck to pour concrete," said a cement company executive. "They're all making $70 an hour and now they're all just standing around. Do you know how expensive that is?"


wow, cement workers earn $70!!! damn, no wonder the U.S. are in trouble...

Updated photos today from Wired NY:

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_3T08TVQ0h2g/SsC-uJzypNI/AAAAAAAADYg/wq19zn5jwQY/s800/DSC02199.JPG

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2517/3962079087_24ac37f533_o.jpg

Come on!!! Bring on that steel... that we finally see something rise! :cheers:

From Wired Forums ( Thank You)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2634/3965338251_644d3b1dfa_o.jpg

:master::master::master::master:

also north crane will get jumped today or tomorrow

now we're officially out of stand still.

Robo cam has new position that may be temp

It changed views locally this morning

The new west crawler crane now reaches almost to the top of the south tower crane

http://www.earthcam.com/swf/cam_player/enlarge_image.php?type=live&path=http://63.229.55.21/ec_metros/ourcams/millenium2.jpg&name=Freedom%20Tower&width=640&height=480&img_width=640&img_height=480

wow, cement workers earn $70!!! damn, no wonder the U.S. are in trouble...

I don't see anything wrong with people who do manual labor making a lot of money. They are the people that work the hardest after all.

I don't see anything wrong with people who do manual labor making a lot of money. They are the people that work the hardest after all.

i do. don't get me wrong here, i know this is a very hard job but 70$? here in china you can dream about that sum. i think that highly qualified people (including professors, scientist etc.) don't even make 35$ an hour, at least not here in china (maybe in europe they do...)
but that's OT... :)

$70 per hour is a great wage, no doubt. You have to remember the COL (Cost Of Living) in the NYC area. Apartments are not cheap, in any large western city. I don't know how it works in China, for example if an apartment in downtown Beijing is the same price as a similar sized apartment in Shenyang or Hong Kong???

I dont understand..is the NYPD doing necessary inspections on the concrete trucks? I assume they wouldnt try to slow down the construction on such an important site.

They assumed it would not become a big story. They assumed wrong. Maybe they had a real reason, as a few inspections found grossly overweight trucks, which a city with lots of underground stuff does not need. That is giving them the benefit of the doubt.

Did you guys forget how in the winter of 2007/2008 they poured bad concrete in the north core and had to jackhammer it all out? If the tower is supposed to have some of the strongest concrete on the planet, they should make sure the concrete companies aren't scamming them. That being said, I'm sure there's plenty of corruption in the NYPD as well.

Did you guys forget how in the winter of 2007/2008 they poured bad concrete in the north core and had to jackhammer it all out? If the tower is supposed to have some of the strongest concrete on the planet, they should make sure the concrete companies aren't scamming them. That being said, I'm sure there's plenty of corruption in the NYPD as well.

I don't think that the police is checking on the concrete :bash:
In the article it was said that they distributed fines for dirty number plates etc. The quality of the concrete will be analyzed by the construction company!

It looks like they have put down some asphalt on the Fulton street slab, but I can't really tell. It is a big black squarish-looking thing, so I guess that's what it is. I wonder why they are putting it down so soon?

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http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2634/3965338251_644d3b1dfa_o.jpg

:master::master::master::master:

also north crane will get jumped today or tomorrow

Really how do you know it's getting jumped

Slowly, very slowly but steadily.

I don't think that the police is checking on the concrete :bash:
In the article it was said that they distributed fines for dirty number plates etc. The quality of the concrete will be analyzed by the construction company!

The guys who were doing the screwing are now getting screwed over themselves. Let me wipe my tears away before I continue.

It looks like they have put down some asphalt on the Fulton street slab, but I can't really tell. It is a big black squarish-looking thing, so I guess that's what it is. I wonder why they are putting it down so soon?

that is exactly how it is stated in the monthly progress reports from wtcprogress.com, here an extract from the lookahead on the fourth quarter:

"Complete Fulton Street Access Roadway"

"This work consists of retaining walls, concrete wall and slab infill, permanent
backfill, and a temporary paving course for the western portion of Fulton Street.
Once complete, this roadway will serve as a critical logistical access for Station
roof construction and Tower One steel staging."

Really how do you know it's getting jumped

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2566/3965338259_805f8897b3_o.jpg

The tower cranes jump; they don't actually add sections to them. So the piece on that truck doesn't really have anything to do with the crane jumping.

The tower cranes jump; they don't actually add sections to them. So the piece on that truck doesn't really have anything to do with the crane jumping.

Yup. Those "crane" pieces were actually the supports used when the workers were assembling the 18000 crane. Now that the crane is fully built, they're hauling away those pieces from the site. We learn something new everyday.

I dont understand..is the NYPD doing necessary inspections on the concrete trucks? I assume they wouldnt try to slow down the construction on such an important site.

I think that article was pretty self explanatory. It wasn't written in Sanskrit after all.

Dearest Earthcam: Your HD cam has been down now for yet another week. It is funny to look and see the tower being taken apart. I mean the steel structure above the north core has been removed and some of the large outer columns that were installed weeks ago are missing! I know that this technology is difficult and budgets are tight, but could you please display "Camera Broken" instead of a three week old picture? Who do you think you are fooling? I guess the advertisers (Google) who pay to put stuff next to your "live" broadcast.

Viperfreak2,

You realize this thread isn't the Earthcam complaints department and that it's likely that no one from Earthcam reads this, right?

From GreenwichBoy at wirednewyork

http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7655&d=1254315256

Sorry, I just get frustrated when I can't see what's going on. I will keep my complaints to myself. NORMALLY, I look at the HD cam then come here to comment on what I see happeneing. I thought quite a few others did the same. It was my main souce of info.

Besides informing others (who will then complain directly to Earthcam) and getting some quicker action.

They should have rebuilt the Twin Towers, because right now, what is going on at GZ is a disgrace!
There is a plan called the Twin Towers II

They should have rebuilt the Twin Towers, because right now, what is going on at GZ is a disgrace!
There is a plan called the Twin Towers II

Read the first post on the first page......

Did you guys forget how in the winter of 2007/2008 they poured bad concrete in the north core and had to jackhammer it all out? If the tower is supposed to have some of the strongest concrete on the planet, they should make sure the concrete companies aren't scamming them. That being said, I'm sure there's plenty of corruption in the NYPD as well.
I dont think that police checking for the concrete either; probably they checking them for safety reasons, because those trucks carrying heavy items for enouph miles in NYC roads...

They should have rebuilt the Twin Towers, because right now, what is going on at GZ is a disgrace!
There is a plan called the Twin Towers II

The original Twin Towers have boring design. They were iconic because they were two of the tallest buildings on earth- but nowadays, with hundreds of supertall projects- they won't be very iconic anymore.
This one would have been better, but sadly, it's too late now to change the plan:
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d26/WorkingAtPerfekt/Me/1776.gif

The original Twin Towers have boring design. They were iconic because they were two of the tallest buildings on earth- but nowadays, with hundreds of supertall projects- they won't be very iconic anymore.
This one would have been better, but sadly, it's too late now to change the plan:
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d26/WorkingAtPerfekt/Me/1776.gif

Freakin' gorgeous. They should certainly have done this. It is instantly recognizable as New York.

correct me if im wrong but this is a thread about the construction currently going on at the site right? not whether the twins would be better than the single... grow up, get over it, understand that what we are getting will be instantly recognizable as NYC in the future, just as the original twins were... back to subject... This battle over who has jurisdiction over the site between the PA and NYPD is ridiculous, arent both parties interested in returning the site to its working finished state, cant people just get along to accomplish a goal, and then get back to their bickering afterwards... WTF...

I really like this picture, because it is the first one which shows the big manitowoc crane in action!

From wirednewyork:

http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7656&d=1254315269

Viperfreak2,

You realize this thread isn't the Earthcam complaints department and that it's likely that no one from Earthcam reads this, right?

From GreenwichBoy at wirednewyork

http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7655&d=1254315256

Those columns are the inner wall of the air plenum that runs from the 3rd floor all the way up to the underside of the 20th floor. All four sides well have em.

Yes I ment to re-post the pic, get things back to construction.

I can (barely) see that the south west corner has at least three of the large columns installed by the new crane. Anyone got a current picture?

the south west corner is visible from the rebuildgroundzero cam (http://rebuildgroundzero.org/webcam/rgz_000.jpg), from there it doesn't look like a large column is installed there. maybe you mean the north west corner?

correct me if im wrong but this is a thread about the construction currently going on at the site right? not whether the twins would be better than the single... grow up, get over it, understand that what we are getting will be instantly recognizable as NYC in the future, just as the original twins were... back to subject... This battle over who has jurisdiction over the site between the PA and NYPD is ridiculous, arent both parties interested in returning the site to its working finished state, cant people just get along to accomplish a goal, and then get back to their bickering afterwards... WTF...

Chill ya beans. The guy was only having a little imagination. Gees.

You are correct Oli83. What is the new crane doing if not installing big columns?

I think it will start with the installation of the big columns pretty soon. Then it will be interesting to see if they will catch up with the eastern side, where the installation of smaller columns for the second floor has already begun.
Remember that it is just a few days that the installation of the crane itself has been completely finished. Maybe some more work on it was needed that could not be seen from outside until it can come into full operation. Other possibility: the steel columns have a delay of a few days.

I guess you didn't read my post on this page. Those smaller columns are sitting on the 3rd floor.

Oh sorry, I didn't notice that you wrote '3rd'. Then maybe you can explain the drawing, which you posted some pages before, to me:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/35124796@N04/3935120605/

Does this mean, that the second floor is constructed below the level which is covered with metal plates right now? Because if the smaller columns belong to level three, where is/will be level two?? I would be grateful if you could clear this up for me (and maybe some others..)

That's correct, below the 3rd floor with all the decking on it. The second floor hangs from the 3rd floor and the core, never reaching the perimeter.

PS: the "metal plates" are corrugated sheet metal called decking, it well hold the cement of the floor slab in place untell it sets up. It looks shiny because it is galvanized.(I know it is very difficult to see from the web cams)

http://www.dek-ing.com/images/1.5HSBROOFDECK.gif

The pic shows a one foot long sample.

it comes in 20' or 24' lengths and is usually cut to size before being delivered to the job site. They come in either 2 foot or 3 foot widths.

what floor does those highest support beams reach atm?

That's correct, below the 3rd floor with all the decking on it. The second floor hangs from the 3rd floor and the core, never reaching the perimeter.

PS: the "metal plates" are corrugated sheet metal called decking, it well hold the cement of the floor slab in place untell it sets up. It looks shiny because it is galvanized.(I know it is very difficult to see from the web cams)

http://www.dek-ing.com/images/1.5HSBROOFDECK.gif

The pic shows a one foot long sample.

it comes in 20' or 24' lengths and is usually cut to size before being delivered to the job site. They come in either 2 foot or 3 foot widths.

It also echoes through the cavernous museum levels when you walk on it. I know first hand! ;) lol

It also echoes through the cavernous museum levels when you walk on it. I know first hand! ;) lol

are you a worker there or something? :cheers:

what floor does those highest support beams reach atm?

The core steel is up to the fourth floor, the perimeter columns are just above the 3rd floor and the Plenum wall columns are up to the bottom of the fourth floor.

It also echoes through the cavernous museum levels when you walk on it. I know first hand! ;) lol

There is a trick to walking on the stuff, keep your strides to either 10" or 20" and you'll land on the top of the rib.

I have a scar, covered by my beard, from taking a fall while walking across decking. Dang near ate a shear stud.

Its hard to get picture of this ground level but i tried. let see if i can post them

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh202/king-sc/img1254363292114.jpg

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh202/king-sc/img1254361679161.jpg

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh202/king-sc/img1254361679675.jpg

correct me if im wrong but this is a thread about the construction currently going on at the site right? not whether the twins would be better than the single... grow up, get over it, understand that what we are getting will be instantly recognizable as NYC in the future, just as the original twins were... back to subject... This battle over who has jurisdiction over the site between the PA and NYPD is ridiculous, arent both parties interested in returning the site to its working finished state, cant people just get along to accomplish a goal, and then get back to their bickering afterwards... WTF...

2 towers and 2 stumps aint such a good thing to represent what's replacing what were 2 of the worlds most iconic structures!

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh202/king-sc/img1254363292114.jpgNice shot from that angle! I think that gigantic crane is asking for more job,:lol:!.

My boss asked me about Earthcam for our facilities yesterday. I showed him the month old WTC picture they're trying to pass off as live. We decided to put up our own.
That cam is losing them business, as it should if it's indicative of the quality of their product.

Thanks to all you guys keeping us up to date with your own pictures.

Can this building survive a 9/11 type attack?

Can this building survive a 9/11 type attack?

Yes- it has a HUGE core.
But it depends on the plane. I don't think that any skyscraper can survive this thing:
http://news.cnet.com/i/ne/p/2005/427airbus550x367.jpg

This tower will eat planes for breakfast.

Yes- it has a HUGE core.
But it depends on the plane. I don't think that any skyscraper can survive this thing:
http://news.cnet.com/i/ne/p/2005/427airbus550x367.jpg

I am pretty sure every A380 has skymarshalls aboard them.....and besides there are 800 passengers....very hard to hijack that plane....

Anyway, if a smaller plane (which is like anything but boeing 747 and airbus 380) crushes into it it probably won't fall down like the twin towers, but it will probably be demolished because of the damage.

It's not going to happen again!

^^ Agreed I mean from what happened do you really think we will let planes get that close again.

In all honesty, I believe no skyscraper can survive an airplane crash similar to the 9/11 Attack. The Twin Towers were warriors to the end because what's amazing is how the Towers remained standing after the impact even though the design indicated a Boeing 707 slamming into it lost in the fog at a slow speed. It did better than Leslie E. Robertson envisioned and for that it saved people trying to escape. Unfortunately I wish the people trapped above the impact zones had a chance but it never happened. The Freedom Tower's core will be much stronger than the original Twin Towers core. Then again the World Trade Center's core was mostly steel and wasn't nearly as strong as the external columns, which was the strength of the building to bear the loads.

thats bs people seriously think more planes will slam into the tower?

WOW...

I seriously doubt that a 9/11-style impact would cause a full collapse. This tower is too fucking wicked for that.

I think the way the building is shaped could help the building brace and prevent a full collapse like the first two.

Another thing is is that it would be hard for hijackers to take a plane over after all of the security upgrades placed in this the post 9/11 world. :cheers: i guess

can we get back to construction..........?

*sigh* Earthcam is still dead. What are the other webcam sites?

There are no good cams (where you can zoom in and see clearly) other than the HD Earthcam. Someone could see this as a business opportunity, and get Google to advertise on some new RELIABLE HD cam site. Just a suggestion.

On the 'low def' cam I can't see any new activity. I kinda expected the north core crane to jump by now and some west side jumbo columns to be installed. Funny that it used to be a North South contest with the cores, now it may become an East West with the columns.

low def cams are worthless because you can barely see anything..the high def cam....is a POS because its showing an image that we have seen from months ago....earthcam blows..like viperfreak2 said..this would be a perfect business opportunity for other companies to jump in...

I am pretty sure every A380 has skymarshalls aboard them.....and besides there are 800 passengers....very hard to hijack that plane....

I was about to say the exact same thing. Flight 93 only had 40 passengers, against 4 hijackers (10 to 1), and they were able to prevent the hijackers from accomplishing their mission. No terrorist is even going to think about trying to hijack a plane with 800 passengers.

A380's only land at a few US airports, so i don't think it will be an issue. Flights to asia go north, not west, and flights to europe go east.

That said, they are making major progress on the base rebar, and it is a symphony of carefully moving cranes to not collide with each other. I have photos from tuesday, i'll put them up when i have time.

- A

I don't think we're going to see another 9/11 repeated in that part of New York city. Meanwhile,there should be measure to secure the building against such occurrences in the future.

How about a couple of CIWS on top. Anything gets too close, PPPPTTTTHHHH!!!!!!

I've always pictured a few AA installments along the hudson river.

"Fighting the last war."

ahh dangit...! i came on this thread hopin to see some new pics... o well i guess ill check later?

Don't expect anything significant to happen until next week.

Right now the only things visible in the crappy low-def cam are a major concrete pour that covered most of the remaining horizontal area in the North Memorial Pool, and some asphalt put down on the Fulton Street slab.

Anything else is too hard to see. I know it's a free service and that we shouldn't expect much, but come on, Earthcam, you don't have to suck this badly.

^^ It's not asphalt, it's water proofing. It's still 6 feet below finished street level.

two new pics on flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/morrongiello/

the pouring in the north pool can be seen as well as the rest of the smaller columns for the next levels. Looks like they are already connected to each other and the core as well.
Furthermore, in the south-west corner of the western bath tub great progress has been achieved with many new steel beams, seems like this hole will be filled pretty soon!

I've always pictured a few AA installments along the hudson river.

Yes, or the previous poster's idea...
I think for terrorists to attempt another similar attack in the same city is perhaps unlikely. But, a couple of the sayings I live by are "Better to not need it, and have it, then need it and not have it." and "Hope for the best, prepare for the worst."

By the time this tower is built, my hope is that the Taliban and Al Qaeda will be so badly damaged, or by my preference, non-existent, that they will be unable to even contemplate the same insanity as before.

This tower is incredibly important, not only to the memory of those in NYC, but to the entire country, it is part of an ongoing healing process, and the day this tower is completed will be quite the day...

NYguy, October 2nd, SSP:
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/117836563/large.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/117836598/large.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/117836608/large.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/117836622/large.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/117836692/large.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/117836815/large.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/117836897/large.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/117836903/large.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/117836963/large.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/117836998/large.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/117837064/large.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/117837098/large.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/117837110/large.jpg

October 2nd:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3479/3974380485_9c7cd763f7_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/morrongiello/3974380485/

Are the stairs on the side part of the building or part of the construction?

Wow! A lot of process already! It is getting little fast now. :)

Maybe someone closer to the construction can answer this for me. Does anyone know what the reason for the big steel perimeter columns being red is? I remember that the steel columns in the original Twin Towers were coated in a layer of red primer paint. Is this basically the same thing?

Maybe someone closer to the construction can answer this for me. Does anyone know what the reason for the big steel perimeter columns being red is? I remember that the steel columns in the original Twin Towers were coated in a layer of red primer paint. Is this basically the same thing?

Anti-rust coating?

I'm really getting excited about the new tower...each progress update puts a smile on my face, even though I wasn't too excited about the design.

Are the stairs on the side part of the building or part of the construction?

I think the stairs are just part of the construction, but I could be wrong...

I think the stairs are just part of the construction, but I could be wrong...

yes it is

Great to see the above ground construction! :okay:

Which stairs those in the middle? (below photo) If you are talking about them looks temporary...
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/117836963/large.jpg
Anyway stairs and the elevators of the building will be inside the core, or not? Great upgread indeed btw

Looks they're starting to connect the new mechanical floor beams to the core.

GreenwichBoy, October 3rd, Wired New York:

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7665&d=1254580893

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7664&d=1254580876

Which stairs those in the middle? (below photo) If you are talking about them looks temporary...

Anyway stairs and the elevators of the building will be inside the core, or not? Great upgread indeed btw

Those are temporary stairs. The stairs and elevators will all be inside the core when everything is finished.

great update ,this thing is really starting to move now .

Is that asphalt for the new Fulton street, that is visible in front of the the tower?

^^ It's not asphalt, it's water proofing. It's still 6 feet below finished street level.

From the previous page.

Ahaa.. Thought I had read it all... Guess Not :ohno: ...

thanks for photos man nice...

Ty for the update!

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7665&d=1254580893

In that photo in which level, floor they are now?

2WTC is a lot better than this i wish they scrapped this design and started with something new

2WTC is a lot better than this i wish they scrapped this design and started with something new

You make yourself look stupid say dumb shit like that. Don't come back

^^ I agree!!!

I have a question. I am wondering how's come they didn't install jumbo columns on other side of Freedom Tower while other side is already working on new floor above jumbo columns?

^^ I agree!!!

I have a question. I am wondering how's come they didn't install jumbo columns on other side of Freedom Tower while other side is already working on new floor above jumbo columns?

The new steel was ready to go for the east side, so why not install them.

Obviously their are some unknown reasons for them to not be installing the west side columns yet. Your guess is as good as any.

The concrete was poured a lot later for the western side than it was for the eastern side. I don't know how long it takes to fully set, but there's a good chance that had something to do with why the western side is lagging.

You make yourself look stupid say dumb shit like that. Don't come back

2WTC is a lot better than 1WTC, though. This design is boring. Well, not as boring as the original Twin Towers, but still... :banana:

^^ I agree!!!

I have a question. I am wondering how's come they didn't install jumbo columns on other side of Freedom Tower while other side is already working on new floor above jumbo columns?

The new steel was ready to go for the east side, so why not install them.

Obviously their are some unknown reasons for them to not be installing the west side columns yet. Your guess is as good as any.

There is a huge mobile crane there. The beams its sitting on for support are in the way.

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Which place is the elevator going to be fitted as the building gets taller?

Which stairs those in the middle? (below photo) If you are talking about them looks temporary...

Would like to know how tall is the steel construction by now?

^^ metsfan are you sure?, from looking at greenwichboy's pic (post 10705), their doesn't appear to be any interference on the SW corner. Harder to tell on the NW corner. From what I see the mobile crane doesn't interfere anywhere.

Would like to know how tall is the steel construction by now?

105 feet high.

2WTC is a lot better than 1WTC, though. This design is boring. Well, not as boring as the original Twin Towers, but still... :banana:

I never said it wasn't he said build something else when this thing is well above ground dumb as statement. Theres alot of boring building in nyc so whats your point.

The new steel was ready to go for the east side, so why not install them.

Obviously their are some unknown reasons for them to not be installing the west side columns yet. Your guess is as good as any.

In any project of large size, things happen in a very specific and pre-planned order. The columns will go up when their time comes.

Would like to know how tall is the steel construction by now?
Yes, but i asked beside the height of 105 feet high (thanks @spectre...) in what level, floor we are now...

Which place is the elevator going to be fitted as the building gets taller?

The plan is for 9 construction elevators, 3 on the west side, 3 on the east side and 3 internal.

Yes, but i asked beside the height of 105 feet high (thanks @spectre...) in what level, floor we are now...

The core steel is up to the 4th floor and they just put up a section of third floor mezzanine late last week.

God I wish people would just let the twin towers idea go. They're gone, get over it. What we're (hopefully) getting now is just as powerful.

First off everyone should read post 1 on page 1 BEFORE bitchin about
the design all over again, be glad anything is being built again at all.

I was upset with the single tower at first but I got to thinking,
I'm actually glad there is only one large tower planned,
It lets everyone know something is still missing from that day
and no matter what we rebuild in its place things wont be EXACTLY
the same as before.

As far as the "slow" progress goes, I would love to see some other place
build a tower with as much security & saftey over such a complicated site
trying to please as many people as possible, Good luck.

Dubai may have the Tallest Skyscrapers but they will never have what
NYC has....some of the oldest & most beautiful, Dubai will never have
a Chrysler Building or ESB. Get over all the personal hang ups & enjoy the
construction, eTrolls can go home.

^^^^^^Well said rack776. I am just happy something is being built and were starting to see some progress.:)

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Hi guys,

I like the design very much and can`t wait to see it rising, maybe in 2 Years.
I hope this was a joke. :lol:
But it is defenetely tooooo slow !! fuck !
Look to tower 185 in Frankfurt/Germany. That construction size is just
half a year running. :cheers:

Chears

Why should we be glad anything getting built. You can say that about anywhere else in nyc but not here

Another moron gets the ignore button!^^

Good job Kings....let 'em have it!

Another moron gets the ignore button!^^

Good job Kings....let 'em have it!

^^ :hammer:

Hi guys,

I like the design very much and can`t wait to see it rising, maybe in 2 Years.
I hope this was a joke. :lol:
But it is defenetely tooooo slow !! fuck !
Look to tower 185 in Frankfurt/Germany. That construction size is just
half a year running. :cheers:

Chears

Thats because they aren't building a foundation for a 541m/1776ft building now are they?

What looks interesting though is that unlike other buildings u/c, it doesn't seem that the core is above the floor level. Could anybody tell me why?

^^ :hammer: And you get this one....:bash: :lol: