What looks interesting though is that unlike other buildings u/c, it doesn't seem that the core is above the floor level. Could anybody tell me why?

...What?

Hi,
actually it`s only 410 m without the spire,same height like the old world trade.
Tower 185 will be more than 200 m at least and has got a huge atrium.
:baeh3:

Sei still

I don't know what's worst anymore: reading last 10-20 pages of this thread that is filled with idiotic comments by immature people or throw myself from Empire State Building?

where is a damn mods when you need them?

this thread done in the shitter :(

I don't know what's worst anymore: reading last 10-20 pages of this thread that is filled with idiotic comments by immature people or throw myself from Empire State Building?

where is a damn mods when you need them?

this thread done in the shitter :(
I agree (but that's a stupid comment too sorry) but people please start reading before asking.

Ok I can't find this on any page, when is the Freedom Tower supposed to be opened?

Ok I can't find this on any page, when is the Freedom Tower supposed to be opened?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=%221+world+trade+center%22+opening

The first hit (Wikipedia) has the answer. Look at the table on the right-hand side of the page for estimated completion and opening dates and other info.

I don't know what's worst anymore: reading last 10-20 pages of this thread that is filled with idiotic comments by immature people or throw myself from Empire State Building?

where is a damn mods when you need them?

this thread done in the shitter :(

Wait till FT is opened and then be the first man to jump from the top floor.
Anyway, where are all the U/C photos? There used to be like 2-3 every page...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2623/3984670867_f6d9426c72_b.jpg
Flickr, stevenhmatthews (http://www.flickr.com/photos/8152871@N03/)

5 Oct 09
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Looking at the photo (i dont know its the north looking to WTC5) that part of the project has a very nice progress; in the other hand, down-left of the photo, the area of the new -red- crane we see only the core... why is that? Waiting for something materials to proceed like the north part (to WTC5 i say again)?

Hi guys,

I like the design very much and can`t wait to see it rising, maybe in 2 Years.
I hope this was a joke. :lol:
But it is defenetely tooooo slow !! fuck !
Look to tower 185 in Frankfurt/Germany. That construction size is just
half a year running. :cheers:

Chears

Wait another 10 years... maybe then we see some progress.

o wow... the bright on those pics are a little to high aren't they? ^^

It's like there are no workers on site in those two last photos.Just an observation.

It's like there are no workers on site in those two last photos.Just an observation.

Take a closer look...;)

Take a closer look...;)Sure did! I still can't see anybody.LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:lol:

this tower is growing soo slowly

It's like there are no workers on site in those two last photos.Just an observation.

That's what you get with Union workers...

when the will the first floor above the lobby be completed?

I've said it before, I'll say it again: When you look at pictures, you really don't see how many people are working on this project. When you visit in person, the (entire) site is crowded with construction workers! You have to look at really close up pictures to see the people, because the scale is so large. Those jumbo columns look like toothpicks from a distance. Up close they are massive!
Go back here and look at close up photos:http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=419362&page=494

RoldanTTLB, SSP:

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_3T08TVQ0h2g/Sst_cz9WWuI/AAAAAAAADbI/9ye0MaImHaQ/s800/DSC02227.JPG

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_3T08TVQ0h2g/Sst_deGLDGI/AAAAAAAADbM/w2-moiPwnOs/s800/DSC02228.JPG

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_3T08TVQ0h2g/Sst_dyEsAoI/AAAAAAAADbQ/A5SDqeXLFQk/s800/DSC02230.JPG

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_3T08TVQ0h2g/Sst_fXxFhDI/AAAAAAAADbY/UNjoEFu3578/s800/DSC02237.JPG

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_3T08TVQ0h2g/Sst_gOQVUSI/AAAAAAAADbc/oy2ujV7fk9k/s800/DSC02238.JPG

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_3T08TVQ0h2g/Sst_gptCKDI/AAAAAAAADbg/mbY-YXrNntI/s800/DSC02239.JPG

New Columns going up!

RoldanTTLB, SSP:
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_3T08TVQ0h2g/Ssyddg4ezDI/AAAAAAAADcQ/oIe7y-swKAA/s800/DSC02250.JPG

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_3T08TVQ0h2g/SsydeYZrqVI/AAAAAAAADcU/Fc8j4vfslp0/s800/DSC02251.JPG

It's like the columns get smaller as they rise.That's what they look like on the photos to me!. Those multi-task cranes are amazing.

^^
Well there are supposed to be longer columns, on top of the jumbo columns, coming too. Unless the design changed...

And you get this one....:bash: :lol:

What the hell is that supposed to mean? That I am stupid because I asked a perfectly relevant question?:bash::bash:

Nice! Looking forward to seeing more progress.

It's like the columns get smaller as they rise.That's what they look like on the photos to me!. Those multi-task cranes are amazing.
Maybe it's just an optical allusion because of the distance but they don't look anywhere near as large as the lower columns and they don't look like they're as tall either. Maybe they're smaller because they're not as worried about a terrorist attack with a truck bomb at this level?
Well there are supposed to be longer columns, on top of the jumbo columns, coming too. Unless the design changed...
It looks like they're placed 2 new columns on the next level on top of the super columns and they certainly don't look like they are as tall. Maybe they will be two pieces to achieve the height? It looks small enough that the tower crane could have a handle them.

Maybe it's just an optical allusion because of the distance but they don't look anywhere near as large as the lower columns and they don't look like they're as tall either. Maybe they're smaller because they're not as worried about a terrorist attack with a truck bomb at this level?
.

I was supprised how close to the street traffic the the building is being built.
Are there any Published Specs on what the building is supposed to be able
to withstand? Hurricane, bomb, plane? I wonder what the insurance
would be on a such a high profile property, the logistics of keeping everyone
happy (insurance, police, fire, gvt. ect) are mind boggling!

RoldanTTLB, SSP:
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_3T08TVQ0h2g/Ssyddg4ezDI/AAAAAAAADcQ/oIe7y-swKAA/s800/DSC02250.JPG

Why those new columns are "smaller" than lobby ones?

To the people above that asked the question's about the smaller columns of the 3th and upwards. ARE you blind!! those columns are not at ashed to the supper columns they are setback. If you LAZY people went back a couple of pages to study other picture's you could see that. I think this forum is great because there are some really devoted people that help you find the anywhere to a question and keep info up to date. But if you people beaning to lazy to read a page back or Google some question before putting it out there, you misuse other peoples love for this site.

It has to do with something called "unbraced hight". I'll save you from having to go to NJIT and tell you what it is.

The higher a column is between floors the stronger it needs to be. so a 60 foot high unbraced section needs to be stronger (bigger, thicker) than a 20 foot section.

Littlemob, he's refering to the new sections of perimiter columns in the above pic. (backspaces):ohno:

It has to do with something called "unbraced hight". I'll save you from having to go to NJIT and tell you what it is.

The higher a column is between floors the stronger it needs to be. so a 60 foot high unbraced section needs to be stronger (bigger, thicker) than a 20 foot section.

Littlemob, he's refering to the new sections of perimiter columns in the above pic. (backspaces):ohno:

"Stupid question alert"
I'm not an Engineer so please forgive the wording of my questions- I just want to learn.
(I do not have builders plans to look like some of you guys LOL! finished rendering is all I have seen so far). There is a few hunderd pages of "whats that" & "Dubai is Better" to sort through before finally giving up and asking a question so I appologize if I asked in the wrong place.
(I also realize the smaller inner steel is not going on top of the larger steel at the bottom)

Here's my questions-

1. How far up the building will the Large collums continue to go? and will the rest of the structure be built with more "normal" sized steel? Nothing about this construction seems conventional so far to me.

2. If I understand correctly the inner collums they are putting up now work like a "buttress" on a catherdeal by helping hold the outter collums in place? Does it add add a wider cross sectional width to the collum when it's all tied together?

3. People have been talking about the "slow progress" due to welding Are they welding
all the joints completely? If so is it for Super Extra Strength or is that fairly common practice on a
building this size? (I know they weld alot but not that much)

If i'm wrong feel free to laugh. Just tell me the correct answer:)

New York Times: Demolition of Ex-Deutsche Bank Building to Resume at Ground Zero (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/07/nyregion/07deutsche.html)

http://static.flickr.com/77/202631900_047ba88411_o.jpg

I believe the new perimeter columns are smaller mainly because there will be more of them. There will be an additional vertical column over the giant "doorway", and there will be several diagonal columns. You can make them out in the above render. In other words, there are six jumbo columns on each side of the building at lobby level. On the next level, you have 13 columns per side.

New York Times: Demolition of Ex-Deutsche Bank Building to Resume at Ground Zero (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/07/nyregion/07deutsche.html)

About f*ing time.

I don't see anything wrong with people who do manual labor making a lot of money. They are the people that work the hardest after all.I don't either....wait til he hears what the ironworkers make....he'll have a cow!

From wtcprogress.com (http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/index.html):
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/8173/20091007wtcmemoriallas.jpg

"Stupid question alert"
I'm not an Engineer so please forgive the wording of my questions- I just want to learn.
(I do not have builders plans to look like some of you guys LOL! finished rendering is all I have seen so far). There is a few hunderd pages of "whats that" & "Dubai is Better" to sort through before finally giving up and asking a question so I appologize if I asked in the wrong place.
(I also realize the smaller inner steel is not going on top of the larger steel at the bottom)

Here's my questions-

1. How far up the building will the Large collums continue to go? and will the rest of the structure be built with more "normal" sized steel? Nothing about this construction seems conventional so far to me.

2. If I understand correctly the inner collums they are putting up now work like a "buttress" on a catherdeal by helping hold the outter collums in place? Does it add add a wider cross sectional width to the collum when it's all tied together?

3. People have been talking about the "slow progress" due to welding Are they welding
all the joints completely? If so is it for Super Extra Strength or is that fairly common practice on a
building this size? (I know they weld alot but not that much)

If i'm wrong feel free to laugh. Just tell me the correct answer:)

#1 The columns well get smaller the higher up they go, it just stands to reason because there is less weight to support.

#2 The small columns behind the perimeter are what's called the louver wall, it's part of the ventilation system and contributes nothing to the over all tower structure. In fact they just add weight that the perimeter columns must support. The floor beams brace the columns against lateral loads by directly connecting them to the core and each other. The distance between the ground floor and the 3rd floor required that the columns be very strong but the distance between the 3rd and 4th floor is much smaller, thus lighter columns.

#3 It is not normal to weld column connections. All that welding well make the structure much much stronger than a normal bolted connection.

good progress. :)

I believe the new perimeter columns are smaller mainly because there will be more of them. There will be an additional vertical column over the giant "doorway", and there will be several diagonal columns. You can make them out in the above render. In other words, there are six jumbo columns on each side of the building at lobby level. On the next level, you have 13 columns per side.

In part you are correct, more columns to support the weight so they can be lighter. There are six columns running up past the 20th floor on each side. All that diagonal stuff is to give the most stressed part of the structural box more strength against twisting moments.

Oh, that column above the entrances is not actually a column, it is a hanger it well be under tension when everything is in place.

About f*ing time. I know, right! Took them long enough. I'll be glad to see that eyesore disappear for good.

I know, right! Took them long enough. I'll be glad to see that eyesore disappear for good.

I'll be amazed if it's completely gone next year. When the PA released it's big report last year they said it was going to be gone by fall 2009. Well it's not. They've missed so many deadlines it's ridiculous. Their are too many people with too many fingers in the pot milking this thing for every cent to be had. Their is no incentive for them to remove this building and million$ to be made by delaying it further.


BTW, thanks Zensteeldude for the construction insights! Great stuff!

To the people above that asked the question's about the smaller columns of the 3th and upwards. ARE you blind!! those columns are not at ashed to the supper columns they are setback. If you LAZY people went back a couple of pages to study other picture's you could see that.
If you took enough time to look at the picture we are talking about you would also see the two columns we're talking about that are attached to the super columns! We realize the very small columns are set back from the perimeter of the building but there are two columns that are now attached to the top of the super columns themselves and are much smaller. Take a look at the picture and you'll realize what we're talking about.

In any project of large size, things happen in a very specific and pre-planned order. The columns will go up when their time comes.

The support beams for the large mobile crane there are in the way...

- A

WNY forum reports that the 18000 crane is awaiting the necessary permits before it can be put into operation.

WNY forum reports that the 18000 crane is awaiting the necessary permits before it can be put into operation.

Someone didn't think about this a long time ago?...

crazy

The support beams for the large mobile crane there are in the way...

- A

...What? :sly:

af

WNY forum reports that the 18000 crane is awaiting the necessary permits before it can be put into operation.
Someone didn't think about this a long time ago?...
Somebody probably did think about it and apply for it a long time ago. The problem is this is NYC and nothing ever happens quickly there! It probably get delayed by politics and a dispute between the city and the port authority or some other agency!

the big crane seems to be working since the first western perimeter column is in place

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/8950/westcolumn.png

WNY forum reports that the 18000 crane is awaiting the necessary permits before it can be put into operation.

Maybe a shortage of crane inspectors after the firings/ jailings of some of the previous ones.

Think about all the crane mishaps in NYC in the past year or two. I am sure that this crane, with its enormous capacity and specs, was looked over very carefully before being certified for use. The last thing this site needs is another delay due to a mistake. Look at the bridge over Hoover dam and how long it has taken to recover from a crane disaster.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=363201

Also, about the discussion of the 'smaller' columns on top of the jumbo columns: It's most likely going to have three columns coming out of each of the connectors. If you look at the renders, the whole base structure above the lobby level(s) has 30 degree beams on the left and right of each vertical beam. I may be wrong, so I won't call anyone LAZY for not looking back many pages (pointed directly at you littlemob)

Oh yeah, and I really wish I could see the west jumbos being installed on the HD Earthcam.

#1 The columns well get smaller the higher up they go, it just stands to reason because there is less weight to support.

#2 The small columns behind the perimeter are what's called the louver wall, it's part of the ventilation system and contributes nothing to the over all tower structure. In fact they just add weight that the perimeter columns must support. The floor beams brace the columns against lateral loads by directly connecting them to the core and each other. The distance between the ground floor and the 3rd floor required that the columns be very strong but the distance between the 3rd and 4th floor is much smaller, thus lighter columns.

#3 It is not normal to weld column connections. All that welding well make the structure much much stronger than a normal bolted connection.

Thank You Very Much, I appreciate the Response!
I would have never guessed ventilation, with all the
talk about the original towers floors falling, I just
assumed it was all for structure,Thanks for the insight!

this tower is growing soo slowly

yeah, I have never seen a tower go up so slow. It hasn't changed much in a year - the same amount of time it takes the rest of the world to build a whole skyscraper. Some people will say the usuall - that it has to be terrorist proof and stringent health and safty, the usual excuses. But we have these same parameters in UK and it doesn't take this long to build like 5 floors - what's going on USA... why so slow?

But we have these same parameters in UK and it doesn't take this long to build like 5 floors - what's going on USA... why so slow?

But the buildings there don't go higher than 5 floors ;)

But the buildings there don't go higher than 5 floors ;)

haha, you're right there - maybe 10 years ago but now we have a few 70 odd floor skyscrapers going up at the moment. nothing like NY but better designed though. Look at the shard and Bishopsgate tower.

haha, you're right there - maybe 10 years ago but now we have a few 70 odd floor skyscrapers going up at the moment. nothing like NY but better designed though. Look at the shard and Bishopsgate tower.

Yeah! there's much less "Boxing" compared to the buildings in NY.

yeah, I have never seen a tower go up so slow. It hasn't changed much in a year - the same amount of time it takes the rest of the world to build a whole skyscraper. Some people will say the usuall - that it has to be terrorist proof and stringent health and safty, the usual excuses. But we have these same parameters in UK and it doesn't take this long to build like 5 floors - what's going on USA... why so slow?

Supertall skyscrapers don't go up in a year, you idiot. Especially not ones that sit on such a logistical nightmare.

Supertall skyscrapers don't go up in a year, you idiot. Especially not ones that sit on such a logistical nightmare.

of course they do you idiot - maybe not in USA because you are so slow but in the rest of the world they go up quick - a year for basement levels and then a year for the super structure, but actually only a year for the actual structure. look at Heron tower in London or many other projects around the world.

From WiredNY:

Better picture of the SW column going up.

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_3T08TVQ0h2g/Ss4cU2QSxvI/AAAAAAAADc8/2hoMx_Aa3sM/s800/DSC02264.JPG

of course they do you idiot - maybe not in USA because you are so slow but in the rest of the world they go up quick - a year for basement levels and then a year for the super structure, but actually only a year for the actual structure. look at Heron tower in London or many other projects around the world.

Name one 400m+ skyscraper that's been finished in less than two years.

Aside from the Empire State Building, of course. :lol:

Name one 400m+ skyscraper that's been finished in less than two years.

Aside from the Empire State Building, of course. :lol:

Guangzhou West Tower went up in about two years.

Other towers with very impressive speed are The Torch, Ocean Heights, Pearl River Tower, and Tianjin World Financial Center. Kingkey Financial is flying up too.

My point is that it's rare for supertalls to go up in less than two years. There's a good reason for why 1WTC is going up slow.

of course they do you idiot - maybe not in USA because you are so slow but in the rest of the world they go up quick - a year for basement levels and then a year for the super structure, but actually only a year for the actual structure. look at Heron tower in London or many other projects around the world.

That would be TWO years. Last I checked basement levels counted as a tower. And again, how many places in the world had TWO supertall towers destroyed in a terrorist attack, had an entire 16 acre area cleared out about a hundred feet deep, had to reinforce the concrete wall, all while over a subway station constantly in use in one of the densest areas in the world?

From WiredNY:

Better picture of the SW column going up.

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_3T08TVQ0h2g/Ss4cU2QSxvI/AAAAAAAADc8/2hoMx_Aa3sM/s800/DSC02264.JPG

:applause::applause::applause:

Guangzhou West Tower went up in about two years.

Other towers with very impressive speed are The Torch, Ocean Heights, Pearl River Tower, and Tianjin World Financial Center. Kingkey Financial is flying up too.

Yeah, but none of those are nearly as fine or as large a building as Freedom Tower is. Freedom Tower is on the scale of the SWFC, and the Hong Kong ICC. Many of the supertall structures going up China and Dubai are mediocre quality at best.

can we go back to updates of freedom tower..so what if your towers in the UK are going up faster..who effin cares, good for you..do you want a cookie?..go and complain it on your forum..this is freedom tower talk only..

Yeah, but none of those are nearly as fine or as large a building as Freedom Tower is. Freedom Tower is on the scale of the SWFC, and the Hong Kong ICC. Many of the supertall structures going up China and Dubai are mediocre quality at best.

Everyone goes on about how good the freedom Tower is and I think it's average at best. as world standards go it not even that big or has any groundbreaking features. Don't forget we are saying it takes 1 to 2 years to construct a project, for arguements sake lets say two years. freedom Tower has been under construction for two years and they are still at the bottom. All I wanted to know was is there a reason for this?

Everyone goes on about how good the freedom Tower is and I think it's average at best. as world standards go it not even that big or has any groundbreaking features. Don't forget we are saying it takes 1 to 2 years to construct a project, for arguements sake lets say two years. freedom Tower has been under construction for two years and they are still at the bottom. All I wanted to know was is there a reason for this?

Ahhh it's far larger than most of the supertalls that have gone up in the last 10 years. They don't make skyscrapers like this anymore, the Freedom Tower is the end of an era. The new trend is slim and slender. I don't know what you're complaining about, it’s far better quality than almost any super tall being constructed today, and safer.

Ahhh it's far larger than most of the supertalls that have gone up in the last 10 years. They don't make skyscrapers like this anymore, the Freedom Tower is the end of an era. The new trend is slim and slender. I don't know what you're complaining about, it’s far better quality than almost any super tall being constructed today, and safer.

i have to admit: that's true. you can't get both: super fast construction and super safety. you have to choose :). and yeah, SWFC is a good example of quality and safety.

Everyone goes on about how good the freedom Tower is and I think it's average at best. as world standards go it not even that big or has any groundbreaking features. Don't forget we are saying it takes 1 to 2 years to construct a project, for arguements sake lets say two years. freedom Tower has been under construction for two years and they are still at the bottom. All I wanted to know was is there a reason for this?

Yeah it's called 9/11. Now drop it.

where are the mods.. if you look at the low def cam north core crane jumped and now is leveled with south core crane..

Yeah, but none of those are nearly as fine or as large a building as Freedom Tower is. Freedom Tower is on the scale of the SWFC, and the Hong Kong ICC. Many of the supertall structures going up China and Dubai are mediocre quality at best .

Yeah, maybe they are, but the Freedom Tower isn't that amazing. It is nice, don't get me wrong, but the design isn't really innovative. It is good for New York but I can't see it in any other skyline in the world.

i dont like this city right now :P GO TWINS!!! but i love the buildings

Yeah, maybe they are, but the Freedom Tower isn't that amazing. It is nice, don't get me wrong, but the design isn't really innovative. It is good for New York but I can't see it in any other skyline in the world.

What's not amazing about it? What did you want to see instead? It's supposed to be a reflection of the original Twin Towers, no one thought those were that great when built either. Maybe you need to wait until it's up before judging. I think it will certainly rank along the lines of the SWFC and Burji Dubai.

The fact that this will be the strongest, safest skyscraper in the history of mankind should be amazing enough for you. It will eat planes for breakfast.

The fact that this will be the strongest, safest skyscraper in the history of mankind should be amazing enough for you. It will eat planes for breakfast.

yes :) ^^

The fact that this will be the strongest, safest skyscraper in the history of mankind should be amazing enough for you. It will eat planes for breakfast.

Same thing was said about the Titanic. Let's hope that these guys know what they are doing this time.

Well it is being built to withstand a category 5 hurricane, and a higher than 5.0 magnitude earthquake. That's pretty strong!

Arm chair Generals fighting the last war. YAWN Some of you need to read the news now and then.

What keeps folks in the Pentagon up at night has nothing to to with airplanes, and nothing in the world well stand up to "The sum of all fears" A nuclear bomb detonated in a major city.

So, let us never bring up the subject of a 9/11 type attack ever again.

Same thing was said about the Titanic. Let's hope that these guys know what they are doing this time.

Who would fly a plane into a cruise ship. Who said that about the Titanic dig em up so I can slap em. Strong enough to take a plane crash what about icebergs

alright guys, this is getting dumb and I regret ever arguing with this guy. the FT bashing clowns come out of the woodwork in waves every few months. best to not engage them.

It will eat planes for breakfast.

haha, only an American would say this comment. :)yes lets stop this stupid argument. I go to New York all the time and love it. it does have the best skyline in the world.

haha, only an American would say this comment. :)yes lets stop this stupid argument. I go to New York all the time and love it. it does have the best skyline in the world.

And it does have the best and stronges army (air force) in the world!
How could planes get off track for more hours? I know the answer! :ohno:

And it does have the best and stronges army (air force) in the world!
How could planes get off track for more hours? I know the answer! :ohno:

of course USA has the strongest army and air force. England would never have won the second world war without USA help. What answer... your're not one of these 9/11 conspiracy theorists are you?

new pics from today (from wirednewyork.com):
and please get back to topic, there really is enough progress to discuss, we don't need those pages with useless discussions on politics etc.

http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7704&d=1255087517

http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7703&d=1255087503

new pics from today (from wirednewyork.com):
and please get back to topic, there really is enough progress to discuss, we don't need those pages with useless discussions on politics etc.

http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7703&d=1255087503

The tower cranes are at finally at the same height. We should start to see some real progress at the site in the next few weeks.

wow really cool. finally some visible progress thats worth meantioning. :banana:

this tower is really starting to take shape.:banana:

The low def cam now shows two south west jumbo columns installed!

And it does have the best and stronges army (air force) in the world!
How could planes get off track for more hours? I know the answer! :ohno:

Planes (passenger jets) don not run on Tracks...Trains do,
How can a guy who cannot type in English correctly
comment on how U.S. Air Traffic Control works?
I smell an eTroll and it must be squashed!:bash:

I'll save the next dumb ass some typing and post one for them,

"How can the US take Soooo long to makes 1 skyscraper when
Bangladesh can build abouts 20 floors per weeks , also why do
youse use a big red crane in Bangladesh they use ropes, oxen,
and wood to build a better than USA type skyscraper,
PS, why are there no people in the web cam photos of the construction
do youse use robotics to maks such large tall building...Tooo Slooow!."


Any other forums this full of nonsense? or is it just the WTC that gets
all the wackos? I thought I was going to get some insight & learn about
tall buildings on here....You have to sift through a bucket of crap to find
a small glimer of usefull info on here, WHERE THE HELL ARE THE MODERATORS? Sheesh!

Planes (passenger jets) don not run on Tracks...Trains do,
How can a guy who cannot type in English correctly
comment on how U.S. Air Traffic Control works?
I smell an eTroll and it must be squashed!:bash:

I'll save the next dumb ass some typing and post one for them,

"How can the US take Soooo long to makes 1 skyscraper when
Bangladesh can build abouts 20 floors per weeks , also why do
youse use a big red crane in Bangladesh they use ropes, oxen,
and wood to build a better than USA type skyscraper,
PS, why are there no people in the web cam photos of the construction
do youse use robotics to maks such large tall building...Tooo Slooow!."


Any other forums this full of nonsense? or is it just the WTC that gets
all the wackos? I thought I was going to get some insight & learn about
tall buildings on here....You have to sift through a bucket of crap to find
a small glimer of usefull info on here, WHERE THE HELL ARE THE MODERATORS? Sheesh!

you just hate bangladesh dont you

you just hate bangladesh dont you

Nope! I just hate Morons,

I hope once this gets on a roll there wont be as many
goobers posting

Here's a new pic from WTC.com, although a couple weeks old:

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/118100778/original.jpg

http://www.wtc.com/uploads/images/712x534/14_40_2009_09_29-T1.jpg

October 9th:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2638/3996309890_211db6eed7_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/morrongiello/

Holy shit. Steel has been going nuts these last few days.

new middle colum moving along^^this is th e kind of progress ive been waiting for:lol::lol::lol::lol::banana:

Someone needs to get down there and take new pictures, we don't really have any good angles of what's going on.

RBGZ webcam is back.

http://rebuildgroundzero.org/webcam/rgz_000.jpg

new middle colum moving along^^this is th e kind of progress ive been waiting for:lol::lol::lol::lol::banana:

I caught the huge spandrel beam between the SW and SE corners on RBZ's webcam. Very cool! Just imagine all our excitement in a couple years when the glass installation starts.

PA released a small schedule report stating that all the lower perimeter columns should be installed by mid-November. Which sounds about right, since their will be days when they focus on the actual floors instead of columns. Also the east bathtub will have a 15-story tall crane (bigger than the 18000) installed after the demolition of the old H&M station is complete. Things are starting to really move!

I caught the huge spandrel beam between the SW and SE corners on RBZ's webcam. Very cool! Just imagine all our excitement in a couple years when the glass installation starts.

PA released a small schedule report stating that all the lower perimeter columns should be installed by mid-November. Which sounds about right, since their will be days when they focus on the actual floors instead of columns. Also the east bathtub will have a 15-story tall crane (bigger than the 18000) installed after the demolition of the old H&M station is complete. Things are starting to really move!

You won't have to wait years for the glass. It's supposed to start going on a year from now according to the PA schedule.

http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/milestones.html

You won't have to wait years for the glass. It's supposed to start going on a year from now according to the PA schedule.

http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/milestones.html

You're right, I was thinking late 2011. Other than the embarressing delays with the Deutsche Bank Building demo they've held pretty close to that schedule.

Planes (passenger jets) don not run on Tracks...Trains do,
How can a guy who cannot type in English correctly
comment on how U.S. Air Traffic Control works?
I smell an eTroll and it must be squashed!:bash:

I'll save the next dumb ass some typing and post one for them,

"How can the US take Soooo long to makes 1 skyscraper when
Bangladesh can build abouts 20 floors per weeks , also why do
youse use a big red crane in Bangladesh they use ropes, oxen,
and wood to build a better than USA type skyscraper,
PS, why are there no people in the web cam photos of the construction
do youse use robotics to maks such large tall building...Tooo Slooow!."


Any other forums this full of nonsense? or is it just the WTC that gets
all the wackos? I thought I was going to get some insight & learn about
tall buildings on here....You have to sift through a bucket of crap to find
a small glimer of usefull info on here, WHERE THE HELL ARE THE MODERATORS? Sheesh!

O, so to comment you have to type English correctly because it is the only language in the world right???

No se puede esperar nada menos de un gringo.

^^ no but this is a tower in America, this is an American page, its an American Website, everyone else on here is speaking english, so you better speak english. how would you feel if i spoke hungarian or french on here?

i actually was in NY few months ago and took some pictures of the construction site, i will post them soon but wow what a sight,
its still scary knowing the chances of another attack right into 1 WTC is highly possible :(
http://www.*******************/north-america/us/new-york/images/s/world-trade-center-site.jpg

^^ no but this is a tower in America, this is an American page, its an American Website, everyone else on here is speaking english, so you better speak english. how would you feel if i spoke hungarian or french on here?

English is used in this section because it's in the international forums. Don't be so disrespectful to other members. Comments like those have no place here. :nono:

English is used in this section because it's in the international forums. Don't be so disrespectful to other members. Comments like those have no place here. :nono:

Yeah thats why i type in english. And wow sorry that i cant type it total correctly, you know its not my mother language. I dont wanna use hungarian or german as nobody would understand it here. Sorry if im on a different opinion about 9/11 then you. Wich "track" i meant that all planes have a route and if one is getting off that the central is asking the pilot "what happend etc" if they cant get connection to the jet they may sent jets to check whats wrong. This actually didnt happend for more minutes (or hours?) and lots of people so do i dont belive that the whole disaster couldnt been avoided!

^^ The whole point is that this thread is about the construction of 1WTC, it's not the place to discuss what happened on 9/11.


Thanks to all the updaters for the pictures, keep up the good work. :cheers:

On the rebuildgroundzero webcam it can be spotted that the large horizontal beam that connects the eastern and western steel columns on the south side has already been placed. Seems like the pace will speed up now that the second crane is in action!

:banana:if you look on the rebuild ground zero cam a new 3rd column is installed

Yep!! They already have the second doorway framed in too!! :banana::banana:

http://rebuildgroundzero.org/webcam/rgz_000.jpg

GreenwichBoy, Wired New York

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7711&d=1255186874

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7710&d=1255186859

They are HAULING ASS. This is what I've been waiting for since 2006!

Its so beautiful :)

Awesome process!!!

What is the current status on WTC 2 and 3? Last time I heard that they didn't make an agreement yet. I hope they finally reach an agreement and start construction soon.

Makes me wonder how far above the concrete in the core the steel is allowed to get. Once the next columns are up and the tower cranes can take over the job steel erection could really fly if it didn't have to wait for the concrete to catch up.

nice, slowly they speed up :)

Awesome process!!!

What is the current status on WTC 2 and 3? Last time I heard that they didn't make an agreement yet. I hope they finally reach an agreement and start construction soon.Last time I checked Silverstein and the Port Authority were in arbitration, so something will probably be hashed out soon, and it will be binding when it gets decided.

Great Progress! :)

Last time I checked Silverstein and the Port Authority were in arbitration, so something will probably be hashed out soon, and it will be binding when it gets decided.

The 2006 agreement was supposed to be binding as well. Look how well that turned out!

We should see 4WTC and one more of Silverstein's towers get financing backstopped by the PA. I'd expect one of the towers foundations to start next year. The other tower will get built up to grade as well since the whole site is interconnected to one another.

^^
Well looks like they have a stop work order at 4WTC. Wow, is this ever crappy!

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/11/realestate/commercial/11sqft.html?_r=1

Q. What’s the problem?
A. You have a bureaucracy at the Port, and their mind-set is different from private enterprise. Anytime there’s a delay, they just change the schedule; anytime there’s an increase in costs, they increase the budget. As a private entrepreneur, I can’t function that way. We should have been much farther along.
Tower 4 is already at street level. Unfortunately, at the present pace of construction our building will be finished two years before the infrastructure is in place, the infrastructure that the Port’s obligated to do. So by virtue of that, we’re going to have to stop.

Makes me wonder how far above the concrete in the core the steel is allowed to get. Once the next columns are up and the tower cranes can take over the job steel erection could really fly if it didn't have to wait for the concrete to catch up.

I have not come across a direct answer to that question, how high can the core steel go unsupported by core concrete.

Personally, I think they can go higher with the core steel once the west side has reached the 4th floor (current top of core steel.) It's all has to do with unbraced hight and the load bearing capacity of the core steel columns.

This is my first post. I took these today.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2463/3999421160_8365e59dda_b.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3505/3999421222_2e7fd48b79_b.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2479/3998658057_5cd8354aba_b.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2564/3998658135_3dd20a9fed_b.jpg
My Flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/cp_cativo/)

^^ The whole point is that this thread is about the construction of 1WTC, it's not the place to discuss what happened on 9/11.


Thanks to all the updaters for the pictures, keep up the good work. :cheers:

But then again, if 9/11 didn't happen, this thread probably wouldn't exist, so its bound to appear.

i can't yet see the middle core... I hope that starts rising soon

Very nice pictures, Cativo!

An awesome first post! Welcome and thanks ;)

Great pics, Cativo! Excellent first post!

This is my first post. I took these today.
My Flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/cp_cativo/)

They've already been posted (and credited) on another site. I almost posted to your flickr account but I'll just let you know here how awesome those are. Any chance we could get the original resolution? Either way NICE.

^^
Well looks like that have a stop work order at 4WTC. Wow, is this ever crappy!

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/11/realestate/commercial/11sqft.html?_r=1

One would think the simple solution would be is to allow the Silverstein group to finish the infrastructure assuming it is on-site to keep the schedule in place. Union rules and municipal laws would probably not allow this. I wonder if this same issue will pop-up on Freedom Tower on the other side of the site? I was in NYC in June and frankly did not see any significant public works construction outside of ground zero other than some work in the train tunnels themselves about two blocks away so I am wondering what he is referring to in the interview?

Freedom Tower seems to be taking shape and it is nice to see those support columns installed. In the latest pictures those workers at the bottom of the columns really illustrates how massive those things really are... the lobby area is going to be incredible when done!

One would think the simple solution would be is to allow the Silverstein group to finish the infrastructure assuming it is on-site to keep the schedule in place. Union rules and municipal laws would probably not allow this. I wonder if this same issue will pop-up on Freedom Tower on the other side of the site? I was in NYC in June and frankly did not see any significant public works construction outside of ground zero other than some work in the train tunnels themselves about two blocks away so I am wondering what he is referring to in the interview?

Freedom Tower seems to be taking shape and it is nice to see those support columns installed. In the latest pictures those workers at the bottom of the columns really illustrates how massive those things really are... the lobby area is going to be incredible when done!

The western half of the site with the memorial and Tower 1 are fine. The eastern side with Towers 2, 3, 4, and the transit hub are in trouble. Just for some perspective: the PA is building Tower 1, the memorial, the transit hub, the vehicle security center, and the new Greenwich Street. Silverstein ceded control of Tower 1 to the Port Authority years ago, and he now controls 2, 3, and 4. Those towers need the infrastructure of the transit hub before they can be completed. If the Port Authority keeps dragging their feet and never get around to finishing the transit hub Silverstein is stuck with his other towers since they need the underground infrastructure.

^^
Well looks like that have a stop work order at 4WTC. Wow, is this ever crappy!

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/11/realestate/commercial/11sqft.html?_r=1

Q. What’s the problem?
A. You have a bureaucracy at the Port, and their mind-set is different from private enterprise. Anytime there’s a delay, they just change the schedule; anytime there’s an increase in costs, they increase the budget. As a private entrepreneur, I can’t function that way. We should have been much farther along.
Tower 4 is already at street level. Unfortunately, at the present pace of construction our building will be finished two years before the infrastructure is in place, the infrastructure that the Port’s obligated to do. So by virtue of that, we’re going to have to stop.Keep in mind that the source isn't exactly a nuetral third-party. Silverstein is locked into a nasty arbitration dispute with the Port Authority, and has a serious cashflow problem of his own. It's in his interest to make the PANYNJ look as bad as possible, and minimize his own failings as much as possible.

They've already been posted (and credited) on another site. I almost posted to your flickr account but I'll just let you know here how awesome those are. Any chance we could get the original resolution? Either way NICE.
Sure:
http://www.cgp-cativo.com/downloads/IMG_3348.JPG
http://www.cgp-cativo.com/downloads/IMG_3350.JPG
http://www.cgp-cativo.com/downloads/IMG_3351.JPG
http://www.cgp-cativo.com/downloads/IMG_3353.JPG
http://www.cgp-cativo.com/downloads/IMG_3354.JPG
http://www.cgp-cativo.com/downloads/IMG_3357.JPG
btw my flickr account's got a different name because Cativo was already taken.

Nice pictures indeed!! Thank you for that Cativo! It's looking great! :cheers:

Sure:
http://www.cgp-cativo.com/downloads/IMG_3348.JPG
http://www.cgp-cativo.com/downloads/IMG_3350.JPG
http://www.cgp-cativo.com/downloads/IMG_3351.JPG
http://www.cgp-cativo.com/downloads/IMG_3353.JPG
http://www.cgp-cativo.com/downloads/IMG_3354.JPG
http://www.cgp-cativo.com/downloads/IMG_3357.JPG
btw my flickr account's got a different name because Cativo was already taken.

Awesome! Great camera, by the way. Seems like anything taken with a Canon EOS is just fantastic. Once I wear out my PowerShot I might have to upgrade.

Will the steel cage follow it's way up the rest of the building or just for the bottom section? Following other buildings the way they build the core allows them to just slide the forms up as they go. With all the steel in this tower there seems to be no easy way to form the core. Not to mention the workers are going to be weaving the rebar all around the steel. Anyone have an idea on the process?

Wow...just got a new widescreen monitor today....what a difference over my old LCD....fantastic pics Cativo!

Will the steel cage follow it's way up the rest of the building or just for the bottom section? Following other buildings the way they build the core allows them to just slide the forms up as they go. With all the steel in this tower there seems to be no easy way to form the core. Not to mention the workers are going to be weaving the rebar all around the steel. Anyone have an idea on the process?

The steel will go up with the core, and I believe that the core cement will lag behind the core steel for most if not all of the construction. WTC7 was built this way as well.

^^
Well looks like they have a stop work order at 4WTC. Wow, is this ever crappy!
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/11/realestate/commercial/11sqft.html?_r=1
There's not an actual stop work order issued. All he says is that at the present rate of construction the building will be finished two years before the infrastructure. Sounds like he's strengthening its position for negotiations regarding towers 2 and 3 if you ask me. He obviously does not want the additional costs there would be incurred if construction is stopped and restarted.

But then again, if 9/11 didn't happen, this thread probably wouldn't exist, so its bound to appear.
Of course it's going to appear now and then, but that doesn't mean we should have a discussion about it every time it comes up in this thread.
Will the steel cage follow it's way up the rest of the building or just for the bottom section? Following other buildings the way they build the core allows them to just slide the forms up as they go. With all the steel in this tower there seems to be no easy way to form the core. Not to mention the workers are going to be weaving the rebar all around the steel. Anyone have an idea on the process?
The reason for the difference with other skyscrapers is that here the core is made up of a steel frame and concrete. If it's just a concrete core it can easily slide up because the floors are connected to the concrete. They could have also done that here on the WTC1, but here the steel beams for the floors are actually connected with the steel frame in the core. If they would pour the concrete before the floors beams are installed this wouldn't be possible anymore because the concrete would be in the way..

Just with the first part of the core this wasn't as obvious because in the lobby there are no floors so they could slide the forms up just like they do with buildings that only have a concrete core.

Therefor the construction on the top will from now on probably look like a normal steel skyscraper without a core that clearly sticks out above the floors. It will just be much more complex just under the top with the concrete for the core being poured inside the building.

The site hardly seems to have changed in months.

The site hardly seems to have changed in months.

June 1st:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3316/3585547737_0c501c6407_b.jpg

4 months later:
http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7711&d=1255186874

Indeed you can't see that much progress for a 4 months span. We've been hoping that after reaching ground level the speed would increase. Everybody understands the extreme complexity of the site, but the rithm seems to be is undeniably slow.

We've seen so many constructions in others threads in the meanwhile.

I've read the sentence "....in the next few weks they'll speed up" so many time that I can't even count them.

I hope after the first level of jumbo column that will come true... it shouldn't take more then an another month I guess... let's hope!

(btw, thanks to all the posters that keep up us updated, I really appreciate)

Indeed you can't see that much progress for a 4 months span. We've been hoping that after reaching ground level the speed would increase. Everybody understands the extreme complexity of the site, but the rithm seems to be is undeniably slow.

We've seen so many constructions in others threads in the meanwhile.

I've read the sentence "....in the next few weks they'll speed up" so many time that I can't even count them.

I hope after the first level of jumbo column that will come true... it shouldn't take more then an another month I guess... let's hope!

(btw, thanks to all the posters that keep up us updated, I really appreciate)

now lets count how many "too slow" trolls posted here!!

don't like it, don't come here.
too slow, don't come here
having hard time following this topic bc it's too slow, DON'T COME HERE!!

I enjoy Wired Forums freedom tower topic a lot more because there is no trolling there. Too many damn noobs and not enough mods here


p.s: having the urge to post anything except construction UPDATES, go kick yourself in a face.

Indeed you can't see that much progress for a 4 months span.

You either aren't paying attention or have delusional expectations about the pace of construction at this site. How many things have changed in the four month span between the two pictures?


Concrete poured to lobby level for entire tower footprint.
North core concrete rises to level of south core.
Erecting steel installed on north core.
Concrete poured for east Plaza.
Crane platform and Mantiwoc crane installed on east plaza.
Concrete poured for west Plaza.
Crane platform and Mantiwoc crane installed on west plaza.
Temporary steel removed from Fulton street.
Final arches installed in Fulton street connector.
Water proofing partially installed over Fulton street connector.
Installation of 15 jumbo permiter columns.
Installation of eastern 3rd floor beams.
Installation of eastern 2nd floor steel hanging from 3rd floor.
Installation of eastern 3rd floor decking.
Construction of eastern dividing wall steel up to 4th floor.
Installation of several eastern perimeter columns up to 4th floor.
Partial installation of 4th floor decking.
North tower crane jumped.
Rebar added to south core to prepare for next pour.



What have you done in the last 4 months?

now lets count how many "too slow" trolls posted here!!

don't like it, don't come here.
too slow, don't come here
having hard time following this topic bc it's too slow, DON'T COME HERE!!

I enjoy Wired Forums freedom tower topic a lot more because there is no trolling there. Too many damn noobs and not enough mods here


p.s: having the urge to post anything except construction UPDATES, go kick yourself in a face.


Actually saying that people are writting what they see is spaming or offtopic you are making an idiot of yourself. You know, i'm not the one of such people, but only becouse i know there is allready tens (or hundreds) keeping "too slow" subject alive. Even more, I find current progress (last few months) quite fast compared to past, and hope it really become "floor a week" speed after installing jumbocollumns. But you have to understeand, that if somebody new on forum (such wont propably read last few hundreds pages like you or me) will just check progress let say half year back then his/her reaction will be obvious. So be a bit more tolerant, because not everybody know that "too slow" sentence has been written hundreds times here and his/her addition is not necesery :cheers:

now lets count how many "too slow" trolls posted here!!

don't like it, don't come here.
too slow, don't come here
having hard time following this topic bc it's too slow, DON'T COME HERE!!

I enjoy Wired Forums freedom tower topic a lot more because there is no trolling there. Too many damn noobs and not enough mods here


p.s: having the urge to post anything except construction UPDATES, go kick yourself in a face.

Why don't you cool down a little bubba and read my whole post? Or at least try to express yourself in a more mature way?

You either aren't paying attention or have delusional expectations about the pace of construction at this site. How many things have changed in the four month span between the two pictures?


Concrete poured to lobby level for entire tower footprint.
North core concrete rises to level of south core.
Erecting steel installed on north core.
Concrete poured for east Plaza.
Crane platform and Mantiwoc crane installed on east plaza.
Concrete poured for west Plaza.
Crane platform and Mantiwoc crane installed on west plaza.
Temporary steel removed from Fulton street.
Final arches installed in Fulton street connector.
Water proofing partially installed over Fulton street connector.
Installation of 15 jumbo permiter columns.
Installation of eastern 3rd floor beams.
Installation of eastern 2nd floor steel hanging from 3rd floor.
Installation of eastern 3rd floor decking.
Construction of eastern dividing wall steel up to 4th floor.
Installation of several eastern perimeter columns up to 4th floor.
Partial installation of 4th floor decking.
North tower crane jumped.
Rebar added to south core to prepare for next pour.



What have you done in the last 4 months?

beside the "personal" sentence at the end, quite uncalled..

Yes, I understand progress are faster then before, as well I understand the complexity of the site, as I was stating.

We like architecture and construction,I guess, since we are here.

I am clearly not an expert, and I miss particulars that somebody, directly or indirectly, explained to me in this thread.

My intenction, maybe not clear enough if you read my post, was to get info on the following fact : "after the first jumbo column perimeter is in place, will the construction speed up?" .

I have always read that the slowliness was due to the extreme complexity of the site (as I state in my post, and although many contruction sites have some peculiar complexity, even if, I think , not comparable with this one).

Was hoping somebody could explain if after the first jumbo perimeter,being the site all above ground, the complexity will be reduced becoming MORE similar to others hirises in steel with a concrete core.

Also, I am very interested in this project and I feel free to discuss all the topics, speedness included.

Again thanks to pics -posters...

^^ no but this is a tower in America, this is an American page, its an American Website, everyone else on here is speaking english, so you better speak english. how would you feel if i spoke hungarian or french on here?

actually, it's a dutch website

June 1st:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3316/3585547737_0c501c6407_b.jpg

4 months later:
http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7711&d=1255186874

??? You post a comment and then you post two pics that completely contradict what you say, lol. Looking at the pics, I clearly see 4 months worth of progress on this project. :lol:

??? You post a comment and then you post two pics that completely contradict what you say, lol. Looking at the pics, I clearly see 4 months worth of progress on this project. :lol:

Huh? I just showed that other guy that they did made quite a lot of things in these 4 months.

actually, it's a dutch website

This discussion seriously needs to end, so:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2466/4001835270_3d1a1031c7_o.png


Let me know if anybody needs more proof, I'll be happy to provide.
As of now though:
The website is american.
The official language of the main website (the international section) is English:
Therefore post in English, or a Mod has every right to delete your comment (and will hopefully do so).
Any more questions?

Hope this OT can finish now because it has seriously passed the level of decency...

now lets count how many "too slow" trolls posted here!!

don't like it, don't come here.
too slow, don't come here
having hard time following this topic bc it's too slow, DON'T COME HERE!!

I enjoy Wired Forums freedom tower topic a lot more because there is no trolling there. Too many damn noobs and not enough mods here


p.s: having the urge to post anything except construction UPDATES, go kick yourself in a face.

I have been busy striking back. I went through the thread the other day and each inane poster was dealt with swiftly via the ignore button. I've had enough. Most of them post nonsense in more than one thread so I 86'd 'em.

Theory is that if they don't pay enough attention to post crap, then I won't be needing to read anything they write. Sure makes for better reading!

It already looks imposing when driving pass by it :)

Cooll

Hola!!!!

Os invito a visitar los parques naturales del Ecuador!!!

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=961614

Saludos!!! :):)

This has gotten out of control, lol.
Anyone have any pictures of the recent updates? :D

This discussion seriously needs to end, so:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2466/4001835270_3d1a1031c7_o.png


Let me know if anybody needs more proof, I'll be happy to provide.
As of now though:
The website is american.
The official language of the main website (the international section) is English:
Therefore post in English, or a Mod has every right to delete your comment (and will hopefully do so).
Any more questions?

Hope this OT can finish now because it has seriously passed the level of decency...
^^
The owner of Skyscrapercity is Jan(administrator) from the Netherlands. I spoke with him and it all starts in Rotterdam. It`s one of te biggest websites from the country.

what's the building in the backround ?
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2564/3998658135_3dd20a9fed_b.jpg

^^^^^^^^^^ NEW YORK | Beekman Place | 876ft | 74 fl | U/C
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=44335572#post44335572

kz1000ps, Wired New York:
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/6742/img1748c.jpg

http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/8357/img1749.jpg

more pics

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2665/3999232103_7decbccc96_b.jpg

marley1027
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3513/3999990934_a036bd6708_b.jpg

crane artwork^^^ :)

jmorefield
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3441/3998878003_bb966d0e49_b.jpg

Nice ones! :)

Cool stuff! Thx for the fresh pictures!

I hope this isn't a silly question. It may have been answered but I can't research 10,000 posts... anyway ... we all know how tall this tower will be, but compared to one of the old WTC towers, will it be thicker or "fatter", about the same thickness, or more slender?

Does anyone know?

I hope this isn't a silly question. It may have been answered but I can't research 10,000 posts... anyway ... we all know how tall this tower will be, but compared to one of the old WTC towers, will it be thicker or "fatter", about the same thickness, or more slender?

Does anyone know?

It's 200 ft. x 200 ft. The twins were 208 ft. x 208 ft. each. However, 4 WTC is supposed to have a giant floor print, and both 2WTC and 3WTC will make up for all the lost office space.

lovely up date picture...can see the progress in good running..

To Zen, NYatKnight, or anyone else who might be able to answer this... Do you know what will happen with concrete pours in the coming winter months? I'm thinking mainly of the core. It seems like they will only be able to build the steel in the core up so high before they have to encase it in concrete. Will they have to stop once the steel reaches a certain height until spring comes around and they can continue pouring the core, or will they use those big warmer "blankets" to be able to pour throughout winter?

Also, any idea when we'll see them start to pour the concrete for the blast wall around the base?

absolutely beautiful building! sooo slow though in building it :ohno:

lol Crane Artwork! the progress its so facsinating!

When the memorial is supposed to open?

When the memorial is supposed to open?

It's supposed to be finished in 2011.

To Zen, NYatKnight, or anyone else who might be able to answer this... Do you know what will happen with concrete pours in the coming winter months? I'm thinking mainly of the core. It seems like they will only be able to build the steel in the core up so high before they have to encase it in concrete. Will they have to stop once the steel reaches a certain height until spring comes around and they can continue pouring the core, or will they use those big warmer "blankets" to be able to pour throughout winter?

Also, any idea when we'll see them start to pour the concrete for the blast wall around the base?

As thick as that core concrete is and as much heat as it will generate I doubt if keeping it warm after the pour will be an issue. The big thing would probably be keeping it from getting too cold while transporting and pouring it. The contractor better make sure the trucks are up to snuff before they run the NYPD gauntlet.

It's supposed to be finished in 2011.

not fully, only parts of memorial will be open

Those cranes are just too aesthetic against the backdrop.

hopefully this time next year we will see some cladding

Sherpa, Wired New York:
http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7718&d=1255366897

looks massive project....

i bet the origional twins could lay down side by side in the memorial which just shows that lack of height doesnt mean lack of progress.

RoldanTTLB, SSP:
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_3T08TVQ0h2g/StPh_cm2WWI/AAAAAAAADd8/gW-fEtfIF_w/s800/DSC02268.JPG

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_3T08TVQ0h2g/StPibRX6EAI/AAAAAAAADeU/pDOSWIBNhSk/s800/DSC02284.JPG

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_3T08TVQ0h2g/StPi5l6ezmI/AAAAAAAADe4/dGf_cPtg04k/s800/DSC02297.JPG

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_3T08TVQ0h2g/StPjCM7tTcI/AAAAAAAADe8/g-XYFWEu00Y/s800/DSC02298.JPG

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_3T08TVQ0h2g/StPjHZLTb4I/AAAAAAAADfA/UQlPkw03YXE/s800/DSC02299.JPG

So, what is the most realistic completion date for the whole project?

Thank you for the GREAT pictures Onn! Without the HD cam I usually feel lost, but your close up pictures make me smile again.

I have a question about the two giant cranes: Once the jumbo columns are finished on the west side, and the entire '3rd floor' is completed, will they be used or needed any more? All the pieces from that point up should be tower crane capable? Are there other uses on site for these oversized monsters?

Thank you for the GREAT pictures Onn! Without the HD cam I usually feel lost, but your close up pictures make me smile again.

I have a question about the two giant cranes: Once the jumbo columns are finished on the west side, and the entire '3rd floor' is completed, will they be used or needed any more? All the pieces from that point up should be tower crane capable? Are there other uses on site for these oversized monsters?

I think they'll stay because there will be more big vertical beams to place up on those they placing right now...For the 4th, 5th, etc. floor...That's what east crane doing...I guess the same is going to be on the west side...

So, what is the most realistic completion date for the whole project?

the most realistic date is " nobody knows " :lol:

building suppose to be completely done in q4 2013

http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/milestones.html

More WTC Arbitration This Week
by Matthew Schuerman
October 12, 2009

Another round of arbitration begins this week in the fight over the World Trade Center site. This time, developer Larry Silverstein is arguing he's getting financially hurt by the Port Authority's delays.

Silverstein took the issue to binding arbitration this summer after he failed to convince the Port Authority and Governor David Paterson to guarantee the loans he needs to build office towers at ground zero.

Silverstein says delays on the publicly funded parts of the site, such as the PATH terminal, are making it harder for him to attract private financing for the buildings. And if he doesn't finish all three of his towers by the years 2013 and 2014, he'll be forced to forfeit them entirely under the terms of his lease with the Port Authority.

The hearings will take two to three weeks. The panel isn't expected to rule until November or December

http://www.wnyc.org/news/articles/142492

This could be the light at the end of the tunnel. Keeping my fingers crossed.

^^
God, I hope so!

On a side note, looks like they putt up another jubmo column today, rounding out that corner. And they're starting work on the next mechincal floor on the east side. :cheers:

http://rebuildgroundzero.org/webcam/rgz_000.jpg

^^
God, I hope so!

On a side note, looks like they putt up another jubmo column today, rounding out that corner. And they're starting work on the next mechincal floor on the west side. :cheers:

http://rebuildgroundzero.org/webcam/rgz_000.jpg

I think you mean the east side, unless you're talking about the new column.

I think you mean the east side, unless you're talking about the new column.

Yes, sorry about that.

Seeing all this progress really excites me. I just wish the HD cam still wasn't down. :l

The HD cam goes down from time to time, that's a fact of life. You can't look at the archives anymore, but there was a period of time when all the cams were down for about four months. It'll be back.

I figured it'd be back, just I'm impatient when it comes to wiredny. I guess most of the action is happening on the west side, anyway.

I figured it'd be back, just I'm impatient when it comes to wiredny. I guess most of the action is happening on the west side, anyway.

Impatient with wiredny? They have nothing to do with the webcam and many of the good photo updates are originally posted there.

Impatient with wiredny? They have nothing to do with the webcam and many of the good photo updates are originally posted there.

I was referring to the latter. I like instant gratification, lol.

i like this building!

If Larry Silverstein is getting financially hurt by the Port Authority then he should sue them for that. Port Authoity is the main reason why we witnessed so many delays. They should be punished for that! :bash:

By the way, awesome updates! I can see a lot of process within a week already!!! :)

That photo with the perimeter finally visible next to the old tower outline gives a good perspective.
I'm going to miss folks coming in , looking at the core and saying they can't believe how skinny the new building is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S1MySJoFl8&hd=1

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_3T08TVQ0h2g/StPjCM7tTcI/AAAAAAAADe8/g-XYFWEu00Y/s800/DSC02298.JPG

^^ Great pic, but it really raises a lot of questions that are extremely puzzling. Does anyone know what those silver pipes sticking up through the rebar are for? There's nothing in the rendering of the west plaza indicating anything of significane in those areas... just a flat surface. Also, is that a planter in the middle of the pic? The renderings show that that's right where the stairs will be... what would a tree planter be doing right there??

EDIT: Oh wait, I think I know what those silver poles are for. Handrails! Or, the holes in the ground that they will anchor into.

EDIT #2: On second thought, no, that wouldn't really make sense. There would be no need to handrails so close to the fountain. Also wouldn't explain where there would be three right beside each other. Damn, what the heck are these things for??? Zen?!

There will be a small fountain (or pool or something like that) on that side...So I think those things are just the pipes for that fountain...

I was there when they threaded the rebar through the area on the left of that last photo ^... Some stupid chick asked why they have painted rebar, giving all of the valid reasons to have rebar coated, i also said, "yea, it's taking a long time to do". She then said "well there you go, thats the real reason". Standing on the pedestrian overpass, you can sure run into some weird people.

Most people standing up there near the vessey st/vz building side have no idea that whole area is over train tracks active 24/7.

- A

So, what is the most realistic completion date for the whole project?

2018.

- A

when to F*** they going to fix hi-def earth cam, for god sake :ohno::ohno:

Well we've got a new angle from the rebuildgroundzero website. At least we'll be able to see the NW corner column installation.

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/9835/rgz000a.jpg

Though I hate not being able to see the rest of the WTC site.

I'm using phone to get on the internet so i can't tell whats going on in that pic

I'm using phone to get on the internet so i can't tell whats going on in that pic

and?

^^ Maybe he means the picture will not display.

Not 100% WTC1 related, but there is another humangous crane on the soutwest corner of the site. Anyone know why?

Back on topic: I noticed (low def cam) that the core forms haven't moved in quite a while. I think I expected to see them up to tower crane level at least by now. Shouldn't a crew be working on the core at the same time as others on the steel?

^ That crane in the SW is filling out the steel over the PATH tracks at nite and assisting with the Vehicle Security Center slurry panels by day.

Not 100% WTC1 related, but there is another humangous crane on the soutwest corner of the site. Anyone know why?

Back on topic: I noticed (low def cam) that the core forms haven't moved in quite a while. I think I expected to see them up to tower crane level at least by now. Shouldn't a crew be working on the core at the same time as others on the steel?

About that crane...It's there because they finishing that corner... :)

And about the core forms...We'll probably see them going up after they finish that NW corner of the base and core steel continue to grow...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3478/4008998977_83db630863_b.jpg
Flickr, morrongiello (http://www.flickr.com/photos/morrongiello/)

and? And I can't see. But your right I can just get up and go down there. No pics tho because now I don't feel like it lol.

And I can't see. But your right I can just get up and go down there. No pics tho because now I don't feel like it lol.

Lazy ass...:tongue2::D
I would kill for even one chance to see it in person... :D

how are they gonna put up the wooden forms for the core when the floor is already attatched to it?

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3478/4008998977_83db630863_b.jpgAre those two openings on the lower righthand side of the photo cores?

GreenwichBoy, Wired New York:

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7730&d=1255523135

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7733&d=1255523173

Lookin' Good :okay:

^^What are the white things on the horizontal beam above the south entrance? I think the east entrance is the same.

^^What are the white things on the horizontal beam above the south entrance? I think the east entrance is the same.

i have no idea so dont quote me, but they look like they are the clips for the facade. then again i really dont know

[QUOTE=Onn;44620068]GreenwichBoy, Wired New York:

I gotta say--I like GreenwichBoy's posts. No words, just action.
when he posts something, it's go-time.

^^What are the white things on the horizontal beam above the south entrance? I think the east entrance is the same.

Those are stainless steel anchor points, covered in white protective film. They have to to with the cable net wall for the entrance, it's complicated.

PS: The beams above all four entrances have them.

been 2 months since last update
good progress
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2509/4012132253_2b5064f5b8_o.jpg

took a tour today.......Oct 14, 2009

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3498/4012874082_992d5cecd0_b.jpg
:)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2656/4012106791_530e3d807b_b.jpg
:)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3494/4012108433_1f5b7773fe_b.jpg
:)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2567/4012881280_34d304737b_b.jpg
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http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2532/4012121071_bc05c49a53_b.jpg
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http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2558/4012894876_3dcae5843d_b.jpg

great day!

Finally some nice progress.

Just curious: Has the Deutsche Bank demolition been completed?

Finally some nice progress.

Just curious: Has the Deutsche Bank demolition been completed?

NO still wrapped in black veil!!!!!:ohno:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2473/4012113667_8015a0edcd_b.jpg

Does the core will be built in concrete?

Because, I cannot figure out how the forms will be put in place with the steel structure in the way.

Very nice photos TowersNYC! Thank you for that!

really great up date, glad can see picture of the progress

Does the core will be built in concrete?

Because, I cannot figure out how the forms will be put in place with the steel structure in the way.
Yes it does, but I was thinking the same thing. Forming is going to be a real pain and take an awful lot more time with all the steel in the way.

Yes it does, but I was thinking the same thing. Forming is going to be a real pain and take an awful lot more time with all the steel in the way.

The core lagged behind with WTC7, did it not? That thing shot up like a rocket.

the main crane is up ^.^

RoldanTTLB, Wired New York:

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_3T08TVQ0h2g/StaHzArAOOI/AAAAAAAADfk/ZRuWNO0WlKQ/s800/DSC02311.JPG

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_3T08TVQ0h2g/StaH49kJTpI/AAAAAAAADfs/1ss0885DTVI/s800/DSC02312.JPG

He also said a lot of steel is apparently getting ready to go up soon!

Lazy ass...:tongue2::DI would kill for even one chance to see it in person... :D Oh I'm still going. I just don't plan on taking any pictures.

great pictures, thank you onn and carlos :)

Finally some nice progress.

Just curious: Has the Deutsche Bank demolition been completed?

they started demolition last week after long delays

restarted*

Where is the steel being fabricated?

Where is the steel being fabricated?

If I properly remember some Arcelor Mittal plant in Luxembourg or Holland. Not sure though. Would like somebody to confirm that.

If I properly remember some Arcelor Mittal plant in Luxembourg or Holland. Not sure though. Would like somebody to confirm that.

http://www.arcelormittal.tv/season1/blog/2006/12/arcelor_mittal_producer_of_fir.html

Does the core will be built in concrete?

Because, I cannot figure out how the forms will be put in place with the steel structure in the way.

They probably have adapted forms for that kind of situation...The forms could have holes or cuted parts for those beams...

Another column was added today too on the other side, apparently. 19/24 up now!

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2588/4014161704_c14bd4ddd7_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/dandc/4014161704/sizes/l/

^^You mean 18/24. So far there have been 17 columns up. Every perimiter column section is 6 columns, this column will finish the south-west section, the north-east and south-east sections are complete so it is 18/24 columns.

Yes it does, but I was thinking the same thing. Forming is going to be a real pain and take an awful lot more time with all the steel in the way.

Not even the forms, which have to be transported from one floor to another, but also the rebar work will be a pain.

^^You mean 18/24. So far there have been 17 columns up. Every perimiter column section is 6 columns, this column will finish the south-west section, the north-east and south-east sections are complete so it is 18/24 columns.

NE and SE corners are done. SW corner has 5/6 installed, NW has 2/6. 5 to go.

so, when are we gonna see the piles and piles of steel and concrete go up making the normal, 4m tall, office floors?

^^^^
mid to end of next year,maybe.

I may have read somewhere that the building itself would be constructed primarily with reinforced concrete? Seeing the early pictures here it appears the core itself will be concrete and the perimeter hardened steel? Or... when thy get to certain floors above the grand lobby areas will it be concrete all the way up?

Any insight is always appreciated!

LOVE the pics! Thanks to everyone who takes the time to make their way to the construction site and snap pictures. Not an easy task as the area around ground zero is a zoo half the time with all of the congestion...

M

^^^^
mid to end of next year,maybe.

I don't think it'll take nearly that long. Part of the base (ie, the eastern half) is already up to the 4th floor. The rest will probably catch up to the fourth floor by the end of the year at the latest, at which point half of the base will be done. This will be five months of work on the base. So, add another 5 months and the other half of the base should be done by the end of May. (Though, we all remember the long delays and the fact that for a few months only one crane was at work... so probably the second half should go much quicker... perhaps done by the end of March.)

Once the base is done, the office floors will start going up much quicker (a floor a week). So, I don't think it'll be the middle to end of next year before we start seeing office floors going up.

I don't think it'll take nearly that long. Part of the base (ie, the eastern half) is already up to the 4th floor. The rest will probably catch up to the fourth floor by the end of the year at the latest, at which point half of the base will be done. This will be five months of work on the base. So, add another 5 months and the other half of the base should be done by the end of May. (Though, we all remember the long delays and the fact that for a few months only one crane was at work... so probably the second half should go much quicker... perhaps done by the end of March.)

Once the base is done, the office floors will start going up much quicker (a floor a week). So, I don't think it'll be the middle to end of next year before we start seeing office floors going up.

i think this bad boy will be 20 stories up by the end of next year maybe further, at the rate it is going, its started on 3 floors in a matter of weeks, thats real progress

i think this bad boy will be 20 stories up by the end of next year maybe further, at the rate it is going, its started on 3 floors in a matter of weeks, thats real progress

20 stories by the end of NEXT year? By the end of next year it'll be up to floor 59. By the end of September 2011, it'll be up to floor 96.

20 stories by the end of NEXT year? By the end of next year it'll be up to floor 59. By the end of September 2011, it'll be up to floor 96.

i like the way u think rk and i actually agree, i was kinda stepping up what the people before me said lol

I would've thought by now everyone would not be too optimistic about the schedule of this tower. It's taken 3.5 long years to get this far. We don't know what 2010 will bring. I think 1WTC has a shot at being up to the top of the 186' podium by the end of 1Q '10. But I'm not putting that in the bank. Their is still work on the plaza to do and Fulton street. Not to mention that the Vessey Street bridge extension will be starting in the next couple of months, that could siphon off workers for that project.

I'm also way to pessimistic at the PA's claims of one office floor per week. Two weeks a floor seems more realistic. 40-50 stories high by the end of 2010 is my guess. Beekman Place and 123 Washington can rise a floor every few days, but their square footage is a fraction of 1WTC (and those developments are under control of private developers, not a government agency).

20 stories by the end of NEXT year? By the end of next year it'll be up to floor 59. By the end of September 2011, it'll be up to floor 96. :crazy2: :crazy2: