^^ Floor 96 by the end of September 2011 (end of Q3) is from the Port Authority's report from last October. Although other markers stated in the report have fallen short, the markers for 1WTC have been right on track, if not AHEAD of schedule. It said that the floor slabs would be significantly up to grade by the end of September 2009. That's been right on track. It also said that the steel erection would begin by the end of Q4 2009. That began in August. If things continue at this pace, I wouldn't be surprised if the building tops out by the end of Q3 2011... perhaps even in time for the 10th anniversary.

WTC1 is coming along, glad to see the site is always busy as hell.

http://www.arcelormittal.tv/season1/blog/2006/12/arcelor_mittal_producer_of_fir.html


Thanks!

Looks like they put the entire north side entrance up. :)

NYguy, SSP:

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/118357556/large.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/118357704/large.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/118357720/large.jpg

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http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/118357803/large.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/118357820/large.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/118357830/large.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/118357969/large.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/118357983/large.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/118357570/large.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/118357577/large.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/118357606/large.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/118357704/large.jpg



Look how small the guy in green is compared to those columns. :nuts:

Looks great so far. I am impressed by the sudden jump in progress. It was interesting to watch the southern of the 2 tower cranes move in sync with the big red mobile crane, that mobile crane is -massive-. Standing there, one crane would move, drop its load, then get out of the way, then the other came in, pick its load up, 1st crane comes back in when there's room etc. This is way more exciting than looking into literally a hole in the ground with hardly any visible progress.

- A

Where is the steel being fabricated?

The steel is being fabricated in South Plainfield, New Jersey by MRP LLC a division of the Davis Group. The steel is being erected by DCM a division of the Davis Group. The patented system for jumping the cranes is provided by Federated Equipment, a division of the Davis Group. See the pattern ?

The W14x730 beams that make up the heart of the "jumbo columns" were rolled in Luxembourg.

The forms are modular and can be reconfigured to fit around the few beams that intersect the core.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3376/3256947180_ce0b5dcc64_o.jpg

Having floors in place ahead of the core well actually speed up the placement of re-bar and forms, the floors give the men a safe work platform.

As for material, there well be more tower cranes added and 9 construction elevators.

it looks fine!! when does the tower finished?

it looks fine!! when does the tower finished?

2013.

The forms are modular and can be reconfigured to fit around the few beams that intersect the core.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3376/3256947180_ce0b5dcc64_o.jpg

Having floors in place ahead of the core well actually speed up the placement of re-bar and forms, the floors give the men a safe work platform.

As for material, there well be more tower cranes added and 9 construction elevators.
More tower cranes? Where are they gonna place them?

Zensteeldude,

Do you know what the exact procedure is for building the core and floors and interfacing the two? Here's a total guess on my part, based on the your diagram and what we've seen so far:

1) Erecting steel is installed (we've seen this).
2) Floor beams and spandrel beams are installed (as seen).
3) Filler beams installed.
4) "Rippled" metal (aluminum?) floor decking laid (seen). I don't know if we've seen a close-up shot of how close the decking extends towards the erecting steel. I'm guessing that it does not go beyond the floor beams that run near and parallel to the horizontal erecting steel beams. ...and a significant air gap is left at the four corners of the building where the floor beams attach to the erecting steel.
5) Rebar is placed around erecting steel.
6) Forms are placed around rebar. There is just enough of a gap between floor decks and rebar to allow for this.
7) Concrete is poured for core.
8) Forms removed.
9) Floor deck metal extended to be flush with core wall.
10) Rebar mats placed over floor deck.
11) Concrete poured over floor deck.

I can think of several alternatives to how the floor decks will interface with the core walls:

A) Maybe a small gap will be left between the core walls and floor decks, and the gap filled with flexible fire-proofing material. Sort of an expansion joint for movement of the building during strong winds.
B) Or, some rebar from the core turns outwards and is welded to the rebar mats on the floor decks.
C) Or, same as first scenario, except a concrete "lip" is formed on core wall, and floor deck is extended over the lip.
D) Or, deck metal goes all the way to erecting steel. Seems this would be very tricky.

Am I totally off base? It would be great to somehow get close-up photos of how it is actually done when the time comes in the next few weeks or months.

how tall is the building right now?

how tall is the building right now?

105 feet (the same height it's been for the last six months). But it should start rising again soon.

More tower cranes? Where are they gonna place them?

The site plan calls for external tower cranes on the north and south sides once the tower is out of reach of the crawler cranes. But that may change.

Swiddle, for the most part you are correct, but the floor slab is poured first. Then the core wall. Then the space between the slab and the wall is formed out and poured.

The site plan calls for external tower cranes on the north and south sides once the tower is out of reach of the crawler cranes. But that may change.

How about these construction elevators? Is that 9 separate elevator tracks or 9 different elevators, with some sharing the same track?

So, The actual completion date is when?????? :)

So, The actual completion date is when?????? :)

Can't you read at least the last 10 posts? :ohno:

it looks fine!! when does the tower finished?

2013.

So, The actual completion date is when?????? :)

You can read it even without scrolling down... :lol:

How about these construction elevators? Is that 9 separate elevator tracks or 9 different elevators, with some sharing the same track?

Nine towers, 2 cabs per tower on the external ones. I think the internal ones are single cab making a total of 15 cabs.

Please note that this onfo is from 3 year old site plans and is probably not exactly what is actually going to be used. Only time well tell.

Looks like the west entrance beam is in place. Unless that happens to be a raindrop. It DOES look like they're putting flooring up on the new story on the west side, however.

Swiddle, for the most part you are correct, but the floor slab is poured first. Then the core wall. Then the space between the slab and the wall is formed out and poured.

Thanks. That makes sense. Pouring the slab first would make it a lot easier on the workers, for standing and walking. :)

Will the rebar in the floor slab ultimately be attached to the rebar in the core wall?

When are they going to start putting up the swaddling kind of covering you see in most tall buildings?

What's the new date to the Freedom Tower finishes?
I'm Brazilian and my english is very poor!!!

When are they going to start putting up the swaddling kind of covering you see in most tall buildings?

I doubt we'll see that kind of covering on this tower. China seems to require many of their towers u/c to have that hideous looking green cocoon safety netting. But that's not a requirement in the US. Some towers do opt to add a protective netting at the top of their towers (ie. Beekman Place).

Hey MODs, can you please update first post of this thread with completion date, and all same questions that many SSC members kept asking. That would be helpful for them and I know many others are annoyed by same questions again and over again. Thanks!

What's the new date to the Freedom Tower finishes?
I'm Brazilian and my english is very poor!!!

Should be 2013.

new thread title should be
2013 probably | NEW YORK | 1WTC | 541m ..
?

new thread title should be
2013 probably | NEW YORK | 1WTC | 541m ..
?

^^ Trolls probably would still ask every other page... but pretty funny.

why it´s goin so slowly?

^^ Trolls probably would still ask every other page... but pretty funny.

why it´s goin so slowly?

You just had to say that, didn't you?

why it´s goin so slowly?

Most ... Annoying ... Question ... Ever.

http://progets.com/simpsons/pics/the%20comic%20book%20guy%20pondering.gif

(well maybe the second after when's it going to be completed. eh, it's a toss up)

Most ... Annoying ... Question ... Ever.

(well maybe the second after when's it going to be completed. eh, it's a toss up)


Or those boasting that the site hasn't changed in years :)

so, where can i find the site plan, assuming its available for public consumption?

so when is completion date?

anyone know the target date for completion?

hey what is this for stupid fun post picture's or something not this pagege filling uselessness.

I'm not really sure but if you look at the webcam, it looks like some more small steel columns went up on top.

Guess what? I know the approx completion date! You Know why? I accually decided to read the thread! Just read the posts of these folks that try so hard to give us info on a daily basis!

Not intended for you Web Eagle, Know you've been trying hard, just dont know how to edit post!

I'm not really sure but if you look at the webcam, it looks like some more small steel columns went up on top.
Which webcam? Earthcam? Because to me its not working...

btw, i have this question, by this quoted photo (i edited with that red line):
http://i588.photobucket.com/albums/ss329/christos-greece/large.jpg
Looking at the crane (LOMMA) and the columns, especially vertical ones, i wonder the crane its "outside" of the line limit of those vertical columns, right? Because if its inside, how they could complete the columns around this part of WTC1?

so, where can i find the site plan, assuming its available for public consumption?

It's not avalible to the public. But check the trash cans out on the streets around Tishman's office at 212 Broadway.:)

Which webcam? Earthcam? Because to me its not working...

btw, i have this question, by this quoted photo (i edited with that red line):
Looking at the crane (LOMMA) and the columns, especially vertical ones, i wonder the crane its "outside" of the line limit of those vertical columns, right? Because if its inside, how they could complete the columns around this part of WTC1?
I guess he means this one http://rebuildgroundzero.org/webcam/rgz_000.jpg
Unfortunately it only shows a part of 1WTC.

I was already wondering about the same thing you asked, from some images it looks like the crane is too close to the building to construct the whole western part. However, I could imagine that they extend the basis of the crane a little bit on the northern part after the ground level is poured there, so that the crane can move back a little to construct the entire western side. Just a guess, maybe someone knows more about it?

It's not avalible to the public. But check the trash cans out on the streets around Tishman's office at 212 Broadway.:)

Ha... Dont think they will make that mistake again, but i might do just a tad bit of digging.... thanks Zen

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2766/4016913395_b9c3d34e4b_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tarita/4016913395/sizes/l/

new update from flickr:
today another part of the memorial has been poured (right bottom corner)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2502/4025905933_37956f8e2b_b.jpg

why it´s goin so slowly?:)

^^^^ thats a joke right! must be because you see everyone else saying it, so your trying to be funny. Key word is trying

I was already wondering about the same thing you asked, from some images it looks like the crane is too close to the building to construct the whole western part. However, I could imagine that they extend the basis of the crane a little bit on the northern part after the ground level is poured there, so that the crane can move back a little to construct the entire western side. Just a guess, maybe someone knows more about it?

They have people that think about these things, the 18000 is sitting just far enough away from column line A to be able to place the columns and beams. Though it well not be able to rotate a full 360 degrees once the nearest columns are erected.

I doubt we'll see that kind of covering on this tower. China seems to require many of their towers u/c to have that hideous looking green cocoon safety netting. But that's not a requirement in the US. Some towers do opt to add a protective netting at the top of their towers (ie. Beekman Place).

Hideous? lol, I think it looks "organic" and interesting.

Guess what? I know the approx completion date! You Know why? I accually decided to read the thread! Just read the posts of these folks that try so hard to give us info on a daily basis!

u want a tissue? :|

if you read last 10 pages you would see me already mentioning a estimated completion date if Q4 2013 and then you would saw that my post was joke. sad

Hideous? lol, I think it looks "organic" and interesting.

Seriously! I look at those green cocoons and I just want to puke. I can't stand seeing those things in Guangzhou or Shenzhen or wherever.

To each his own I guess.

^^^^ thats a joke right! must be because you see everyone else saying it, so your trying to be funny. Key word is trying

bore:)
and the construction is awfully slow. really:bash:

No tissue needed, Im a big boy. Just that there is lots of info in these pages, if some would take the time to look. I didnt list your joke date so lets move on. Hard to follow the progress, but thanks for all to the continuing photos from the site and information!

Nice progress on the steel columns. The base seems that it will be ready by the end of next month, floors are already taking shape, all the cranes are in place I don't see slow...

After all when the first towers were build they were directly on the bank of the Hudson. Delivering steel and other materials was easy. This is not the case now.

construction is going realy fast now:) and I suppose it will speed up even more when they finnish the lobby right?

why it´s goin so slowly?:)

Don't ask that question lol. These Americans get a bit touchy when people ask that - they think it's America bashing when all we wamt to know is WHY IS THIS GOING SO SLOW. Probably the slowest construction I have ever seen.

It has nothing to do with Americans. It's the constant explanations that no one (humans, global) seems to read, and try to understand:

-Cleanup
-Subways
-Politics
-Crowded area
-Unions
-Quality

Anyone wanna add to the list, again?

My ignore list. She grows.

Don't ask that question lol. These Americans get a bit touchy when people ask that - they think it's America bashing when all we wamt to know is WHY IS THIS GOING SO SLOW. Probably the slowest construction I have ever seen.

ok, it took a while for the construction to start but the circumstances where unique, alot of ppl died on the site. This place must now also serve the function of a memorial. They want to make sure this tower is as secure as it can get, and if you have been watching the work over the last years you'll see they've made major strides, and during the last months the tower has been shooting upwards...

It has nothing to do with Americans. It's the constant explanations that no one (humans, global) seems to read, and try to understand:

-Cleanup
-Subways
-Politics
-Crowded area
-Unions
-Quality

Anyone wanna add to the list, again?

No one reads or understands because none of these realy explains it. All these reasons i took into account for the 18 months it took to construct up to ground level. But then it should have started to rise quite quickly but another year has gone by and construction is still at the lobby. I know they are going for a steel frame and a core so i can imagine it taking twice as long but nothing height wise has really happened for nine months.

No one reads or understands because none of these realy explains it. All these reasons i took into account for the 18 months it took to construct up to ground level. But then it should have started to rise quite quickly but another year has gone by and construction is still at the lobby. I know they are going for a steel frame and a core so i can imagine it taking twice as long but nothing height wise has really happened for nine months.

Nothing height wise has happened in 9 months? Are you clueless or just trolling? I was there in July and the site looks completely different now.

Nothing height wise has happened in 9 months? Are you clueless or just trolling? I was there in July and the site looks completely different now.

obviously clueless because I don't say putting up 20 odd steel girders and pouring a bit of conctrete makes the site completely different. they havent even poured the concrete for the first floor yet.

obviously clueless because I don't say putting up 20 odd steel girders and pouring a bit of conctrete makes the site completely different. they havent even poured the concrete for the first floor yet.

They should have poured YOU into the concrete! :lol:

They should have poured YOU into the concrete! :lol:

This would have been the best outcome. It'd shut him up AND make him happy.

This would have been the best outcome. It'd shut him up AND make him happy.

You fuckin Americans can't take criticism. One word against your beloved freedom tower and you can't take it:lol:

obviously clueless because I don't say putting up 20 odd steel girders and pouring a bit of conctrete makes the site completely different. they havent even poured the concrete for the first floor yet.

All you've done on here is complain about how slow the project is, and how nothing has changed in nine months. So how about some evidence, yes?

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/6535/adamalbanywtc2009012005mn9.jpg

Nine months to the day.

http://i588.photobucket.com/albums/ss329/christos-greece/large.jpg

Yeah, I don't see any change either.

I don't care where you're from, you try having a sixteen acre complex completely destroyed, dug up, and rebuilt ALL while being over a subway and a PATH station with political bullcrap and unions spewed all over it and expect a project to skyrocket.

You fuckin Americans can't take criticism. One word against your beloved freedom tower and you can't take it:lol:

It's actually called One World Trade Center. And congratulations, you've shown how clueless and ignorant you really are. Enjoy.

It's actually 1 World Trade Center now. ;)

yeah, you would think they were taught a lesson on 9/11 but no, they are still a bunch of idiots.

[QUOTE=Desparye;44916872]All you've done on here is complain about how slow the project is, and how nothing has changed in nine months. So how about some evidence, yes?

Is that all you've got to show for nine months work. Look around at the rest of the world and see projects just as big go up 50 or 60 floors in that time. You lazy bastards:lol: I rest my case.

yeah, you would think they were taught a lesson on 9/11 but no, they are still a bunch of idiots.

Way to shit on the graves of 3,000 people. Care to take this any further?

If political discussion is off limits elsewhere (Ryugyong thread) I'd like to see the same here.

[QUOTE=Desparye;44916872]All you've done on here is complain about how slow the project is, and how nothing has changed in nine months. So how about some evidence, yes?

Is that all you've got to show for nine months work. Look around at the rest of the world and see projects just as big go up 50 or 60 floors in that time. You lazy bastards:lol: I rest my case.

Lazy like your quoting? Your case sucks, and you're only further proving your ignorance. And do those projects happen to be in one of the densest areas in the WORLD? And was the project a result of a terrorist attack destroying what was originally there?

You're an idiot. Stop trying.

Way to shit on the graves of 3,000 people. Care to take this any further?

If political discussion is off limits elsewhere (Ryugyong thread) I'd like to see the same here.

Agreed. Gut feeling is that if this debate on the project speed continues, the thread's going to get locked. Might as well end here.

Anywho, anyone know when the northwest corner is supposed to get its perimeter columns?

[QUOTE=Desparye;44916872]All you've done on here is complain about how slow the project is, and how nothing has changed in nine months. So how about some evidence, yes?

Is that all you've got to show for nine months work. Look around at the rest of the world and see projects just as big go up 50 or 60 floors in that time. You lazy bastards:lol: I rest my case.

Where would you be speaking about... Dubai... where they build in the desert with nothing around them and pay people pennies... aka making them near slaves? Sure then things get built.

Or in China where they just have the mentality to get it up and get it up now? Things don't always work the same here in the US, too much public input, government slowing things down.

Not to mention they are building in a city with residents nearby and can't build all the time, and with working subways going through the sight, so they can't be lifting steel always.

It's growing, just be patient, once the base is complete, which it should be soon enough, things will pick up. Until then, go to other threads, check other places, come back in a couple years. :cheers:

[QUOTE=DrewHallam;44917146]

Lazy like your quoting? Your case sucks, and you're only further proving your ignorance. And do those projects happen to be in one of the densest areas in the WORLD? And was the project a result of a terrorist attack destroying what was originally there?

You're an idiot. Stop trying.

err yes... idiot. NY is not the only densely built up area in the world. And who cares if there was a terroist attack, we are talking about just the construction, not the clean up. That was finished long ago. And the difference between those two photos, if you think that represents a lot of work then you are stupid - even for an American:lol:

yeah, you would think they were taught a lesson on 9/11 but no, they are still a bunch of idiots.

WOW! Insulting 300 mil people in an internet forum! You've got guts!

I guess it needs a lot of balls and brain to do that! congrats!

Can we ban the troll?

[QUOTE=Desparye;44916872]All you've done on here is complain about how slow the project is, and how nothing has changed in nine months. So how about some evidence, yes?

Is that all you've got to show for nine months work. Look around at the rest of the world and see projects just as big go up 50 or 60 floors in that time. You lazy bastards:lol: I rest my case.

Its easy to build a lot of stories, once you are at office levels. But the foundation is always slow, and even slower the more complex it is. Add a bunch of idiots to the management and you have your reasons. And besides all that stuff you forget, that the memorial did not exist 9 months ago, you remember the ramp? Look whats there now! They are primarily focusing on getting the museum done, and all significant progress on 1 WTC have been made within the last 4 months, NOT 9 months! The project is as fast as any other tower in the world at the moment. And I want to see your face, when you will come back here in a year and 30 or 40 stories are really done... But I hope you get banned for your comments before.

[QUOTE=DrewHallam;44917146]

Where would you be speaking about... Dubai... where they build in the desert with nothing around them and pay people pennies... aka making them near slaves? Sure then things get built.

Or in China where they just have the mentality to get it up and get it up now? Things don't always work the same here in the US, too much public input, government slowing things down.

Not to mention they are building in a city with residents nearby and can't build all the time, and with working subways going through the sight, so they can't be lifting steel always.

It's growing, just be patient, once the base is complete, which it should be soon enough, things will pick up. Until then, go to other threads, check other places, come back in a couple years. :cheers:

This is the most intelligent answer i have heard in a long time. just for the record this building will look awsome when it's eventually finished and I am a fan of it. I just got a bit impatient with the lack of visable progress so lets drop this argument.

Can we please keep this from becoming the next Ryugyong? Let the mods take care of trolls.

All right, biting my tongue on this one. But for the record, it was never mentioned if I was American or not. I could in fact be from another country living in New Jersey for a New York commute.

Can we please keep this from becoming the next Ryugyong? Let the mods take care of trolls.

Added them to the ignore list and reported them. Not much else to do.

Apparently a column or two went up today. That should leave three.

I miss the high def earthcam more than I thought I would.

Added them to the ignore list and reported them. Not much else to do.

Apparently a column or two went up today. That should leave three.

I miss the high def earthcam more than I thought I would.

Dang, it's right out of the reach of rebuildgroundzero cam. >_<

And you wouldn't be able to see the columns from the earthcam, I thought? Unless it's a few beams for the mechanical floor above.

yeah, you would think they were taught a lesson on 9/11 but no, they are still a bunch of idiots.




:wtf:

bore:) and the construction is awfully slow. really:bash:

Did you have some kind of point, if so you might want to make it

[QUOTE=Desparye;44916872]All you've done on here is complain about how slow the project is, and how nothing has changed in nine months. So how about some evidence, yes?

Is that all you've got to show for nine months work. Look around at the rest of the world and see projects just as big go up 50 or 60 floors in that time. You lazy bastards:lol: I rest my case.

I have reported you to the administrators for your very rude comments. 20 posts and you act like a fool. Expect to be banned soon troll.

Don't ask that question lol. These Americans get a bit touchy when people ask that - they think it's America bashing when all we wamt to know is WHY IS THIS GOING SO SLOW. Probably the slowest construction I have ever seen.
Yep, now I DEFINITELY have the largest ignore list on the site. If you had half a brain you'd know why it's taking so long and no, it has nothing to do with where we live, it's just plain old common sense which you obviously HAVE ZERO OF. Nice talkin' to ya....CYA!

WOW! Insulting 300 mil people in an internet forum! You've got guts!
I guess it needs a lot of balls and brain to do that! congrats!
Can we ban the troll?

Just ignore them by accessing their profile/user lists/ignore.....they're morons and don't belong on the site, but asking the mods to ban them might not happen as fast as the ignore button.

Added them to the ignore list and reported them. Not much else to do.
Apparently a column or two went up today. That should leave three.
I miss the high def earthcam more than I thought I would.

Good idea about reporting them....never thought of that one!

3 Jumbo Columns left! :cheers:

RoldanTTLB, SSP:
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_3T08TVQ0h2g/St5dMDBykrI/AAAAAAAADjc/Fx1hEW9fOx0/s800/DSC02347.JPG

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_3T08TVQ0h2g/St5dG0JWGmI/AAAAAAAADjY/YcKh2aNVYns/s800/DSC02341.JPG

3 to go

thanks for the pics Onn
btw what kind of kamera do you use?

3 to go

Running a bit ahead of the plan, aren't they? Did I see many pages ago that the columns wouldn't be finished until mid-November? Looks like they are getting ready to pour more of the plaza, too.:banana:

thanks for the pics Onn
btw what kind of kamera do you use?

Sorry, they are not mine. I reposted someone else’s pictures. If I could take pictures of this project I would. :)

All these reasons i took into account for the 18 months it took to construct up to ground level. But then it should have started to rise quite quickly but another year has gone by and construction is still at the lobby. I know they are going for a steel frame and a core so i can imagine it taking twice as long but nothing height wise has really happened for nine months.The first 200 feet in height are basically a concrete fortress to withstand street level bombings similar to the van bombing of the 1993 WTC attack. This requires highly redundant construction that is much more involved than the average supertall that doesn't share these security concerns. After the first 200 feet, the pace of construction should more closely mirror similar buildings.

I'm assuming you're from the Windermere in the northwest of England, to which I can only say that it must be tough for someone from such a rural area to appreciate the complexities of building in the densest real estate in the entire world.

^^^^^^ Nice burn that will shut them up.

The first 200 feet in height are basically a concrete fortress to withstand street level bombings similar to the van bombing of the 1993 WTC attack. This requires highly redundant construction that is much more involved than the average supertall that doesn't share these security concerns. After the first 200 feet, the pace of construction should more closely mirror similar buildings.

I'm assuming you're from the Windermere in the northwest of England, to which I can only say that it must be tough for someone from such a rural area to appreciate the complexities of building in the densest real estate in the entire world.

Yes you are probably right... allthough I have friends in New York and visit every few years. I love Manhattan - so much going on and the skyscrapers allways impress me. I guess i just get a bit impatient with all construction- even in London, I see a project and I forget it takes a few years before they are built. Sorry if some of my posts seem a bit harsh

Sorry, they are not mine. I reposted someone else’s pictures. If I could take pictures of this project I would. :)

Ah....the old Kensington right click camera.
Thanks for finding the photos Onn. Makes up for Earthcam's lack of interest.

Yes you are probably right... allthough I have friends in New York and visit every few years. I love Manhattan - so much going on and the skyscrapers allways impress me. I guess i just get a bit impatient with all construction- even in London, I see a project and I forget it takes a few years before they are built. Sorry if some of my posts seem a bit harshI think that's the main thing: people usually don't take notice of a skyscraper until it's already climbing into the sky. People not only took notice of this one a lot earlier, but they have a firm date to point back toward: September 11, 2001. It's easy to forget the amount of time eaten up by search and recovery for bodies and clearing up the debris from the collapse, the time wasted by the failed Lower Manhattan Development Corporation which proposed one problematic design after another, and the complexities that arose from rebuilding the subway and commuter rail lines before building the foundations for the new buildings.

Since power was consolidated to the two entities with an actual financial stake in the site -- the Port Authority, which owns the land, and Silverstein, who holds the lease -- things have actually moved as fast as can be expected given the size, scope and special considerations of this site. Before my father retired from the state, he worked on the Route 9A realignment adjacent to the site. It gave him nightmares. He said the complications compared to working on roads elsewhere in the city, much less elsewhere in the state, was unbelievable.

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The crane from that photo its probably moved little to the right or not...?

The crane from that photo its probably moved little to the right or not...?

nope :)

Hopefully they finish the last three perimeter columns by the end of this week or beginning of next week:)

BTW by the looks of rbgz webcam, they began laying the decking down of floor five:banana:

Yes you are probably right... allthough I have friends in New York and visit every few years. I love Manhattan - so much going on and the skyscrapers allways impress me. I guess i just get a bit impatient with all construction- even in London, I see a project and I forget it takes a few years before they are built. Sorry if some of my posts seem a bit harsh

Well unlike the newer generation of cities with supertalls, cities like New York and London are EXTREMELY dense, plus you have to take into account for historical structures nearby. An exception to the density rule is Hong Kong, but then again, it happens to be in a country with two billion people. And Dubai is in the desert, so it's not exactly dense there.


And of course, what you said besides the American bashing wasn't too harsh. :P

and somebody from wiredny also said that another column was lifted today!!:banana:

excellant progress lately! this building is really taking shape! I beleive by this time next year we'll be well above ground! atleast 20 or 30 floors! maybe more?

and somebody from wiredny also said that another column was lifted today!!:banana:

excellant progress lately! this building is really taking shape! I beleive by this time next year we'll be well above ground! atleast 20 or 30 floors! maybe more?

It's supposed to be topped out toward the end of 2011, so your estimate is about right, maybe a little more. With the "floor a weeK" schedule, you could expect about 52 floors in a year, and the tower in reality is only 86 floors (correct me if I am wrong, please).

Now that I think about it, I think there was something a few pages back about it being up to the 58th floor by Q4 2010.

Hope that helped. ^_^;

It's supposed to be topped out toward the end of 2011, so your estimate is about right, maybe a little more. With the "floor a weeK" schedule, you could expect about 52 floors in a year, and the tower in reality is only 86 floors (correct me if I am wrong, please).

Now that I think about it, I think there was something a few pages back about it being up to the 58th floor by Q4 2010.

Hope that helped. ^_^;

Thank you=] I believe the tower is 102 floors with about 86 floors of office space, the rest of the floors will be mechanical and two floors dedicated to observation and a restaurant. I just wanna see pics of that new column that went up today!

Hopefully they finish the last three perimeter columns by the end of this week or beginning of next week:)

BTW by the looks of rbgz webcam, they began laying the decking down of floor five:banana:

That would be a neat trick seeing as how the east side is only up to the 4th floor.:)

It's supposed to be topped out toward the end of 2011, so your estimate is about right, maybe a little more. With the "floor a weeK" schedule, you could expect about 52 floors in a year, and the tower in reality is only 86 floors (correct me if I am wrong, please).

Now that I think about it, I think there was something a few pages back about it being up to the 58th floor by Q4 2010.

Hope that helped. ^_^;

I counted 92 floors on the prints, including partial mechanical floors. I'll recheck that when I get home, the full size prints are in storage here at work. I have a half scale set at home.

Thank you=] I believe the tower is 102 floors with about 86 floors of office space, the rest of the floors will be mechanical and two floors dedicated to observation and a restaurant. I just wanna see pics of that new column that went up today!

There are 69 floors of office space (20 thru 88) restaurant is 2 floors, observation is one floor with a mezzanine.

That would be a neat trick seeing as how the east side is only up to the 4th floor.:)

dosent the first floor start at the bottom?

I counted 92 floors on the prints, including partial mechanical floors. I'll recheck that when I get home, the full size prints are in storage here at work. I have a half scale set at home.

i read somewhere the tower is 102 floors

dosent the first floor start at the bottom?

The first floor is the lobby, yes. But you are counting the third floor mezzanine as the forth floor. The current top of steel is the forth floor.

I read somewhere that it had 108 floors, that doesn't make it so.


Ok, with all the mechanical floors etc. there are 94 floors between the lobby and 104 mezzanine, inclusive.

@Britney Spears, the tower does not have 108 actual floors, it is just numbered like that for novelty sake, the tower has 86 real floors (69 for offices) Zensteel is right.


There are 69 floors of office space (20 thru 88) restaurant is 2 floors, observation is one floor with a mezzanine.

yea, the 89th and 90th aren't mechanical though, they have windows like all of the office floors. i don't know what goes there, i've heard broadcasting floors but i don't think those normally have windows, supposedly they want to scrap the plan of having those floors be broadcast floors who knows why...

speaking of mechanical floors, how many mec floors is in the design? and will they be spaced throughout the building?

If you were to define a mechanical floor as "a floor where 1) the service elevators can stop at and 2) where more than 75% of the floor is taken up by equipment for the MEP systems of the building" then the answer is 11. Floors 2 through 6 in the base and floors 91 through 93 and 103 and 104 and the roof, floor 105.

If you were to expand that to "any floor where a major part of the floor is equipment for the MEP systems of the building" then the answer is 21. ( this does not include any level above the roof)

If you were to count every floor where part of the floor area is taken up by MEP equipment than one would have to count every floor. (fan rooms, water tanks etc.)

Also, the end of the MTVA deal does NOT mean there well be no broadcast equipment in the tower, only that there well be no TV broadcast equipment.

PS: many of the mechanical floors have windows.

Zen, i know this has been asked before, but whats your relation to the construction? Engineer, contractor? Hands on?

I counted 92 floors on the prints, including partial mechanical floors. I'll recheck that when I get home, the full size prints are in storage here at work. I have a half scale set at home.

Very cool...I'd love to have a look at those!

My company made unsuccessful bids for some of the work at Tower One and the Memorial. I also know several people directly involved in the construction of same.

TXSkyWatcher all you have to do is sign this 27 page non-disclosure agreement and then you can have at it.
Somewhere in the fine print I get your house, daughters, car, first born and all your bank accounts.:)

PS: I added the last five items to the agreement I signed.

Would you settle for my flicker photo stream. (there are several photos of the prints inside)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/35124796@N04/

If you were to define a mechanical floor as "a floor where 1) the service elevators can stop at and 2) where more than 75% of the floor is taken up by equipment for the MEP systems of the building" then the answer is 11. Floors 2 through 6 in the base and floors 91 through 93 and 103 and 104 and the roof, floor 105.


That would be my definition of a mechanical floor:). So thanks for the good answer. you know your stuff, and as you have figured out now I don't hehe.

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^^ those three pronged steel beams are very similar to the ones on the original wtc, can someone show me where this is in the design? will it be seen when the building is complete?

^^ nevermind i found them in the render of the base

Thanks for the pics NYCD. The east side of the building is really coming along great! Maybe now with all this visible progress it'll finally shut up the rebuild the original twin towers group. Sure, haven't heard from them in awhile. :)

On another note, Bovis Lend Lease just got the final permits to restart demolishing the Deutsch Bank Building starting Nov 2. They've given a pretty conservative new timetable. They're just guaranteeing it'll be gone by Dec 31, 2010. Obviously it could be gone sometime in the middle of next year. But then again, anything can happen... let's keep our fingers crossed.

The weather is so great on the last two pics. What's the boxy building on the right hand side? It seems to be at approximately the same height as Goldman Sacks, but I never followed the progress of it.

7WTC, replacing the one that collapsed on 9/11.^^

HD cam is back online

wow i don't know if i should be happy or still piss at the poor at earthcam..haha..i think NYCD and other members that live or work around that area are more reliable than earthcam...very happy at the progress

hmmm im really wonering how this building will look next 9/11! atleast 30 floors or so. by the end of this year well probobly see the base finished or near completion?:)

wow i don't know if i should be happy or still piss at the poor at earthcam..haha..i think NYCD and other members that live or work around that area are more reliable than earthcam...very happy at the progress


Well in a few short years, that earthcam isn't going to matter, because that big son of a bitch is going to dominate the skyline. (Tower #1 or unofficialy "the Tower of Freedom")

the earthcam sucks, so keep the pics comming :-)

If you were to define a mechanical floor as "a floor where 1) the service elevators can stop at and 2) where more than 75% of the floor is taken up by equipment for the MEP systems of the building" then the answer is 11. Floors 2 through 6 in the base and floors 91 through 93 and 103 and 104 and the roof, floor 105.

If you were to expand that to "any floor where a major part of the floor is equipment for the MEP systems of the building" then the answer is 21. ( this does not include any level above the roof)

If you were to count every floor where part of the floor area is taken up by MEP equipment than one would have to count every floor. (fan rooms, water tanks etc.)

Also, the end of the MTVA deal does NOT mean there well be no broadcast equipment in the tower, only that there well be no TV broadcast equipment.

PS: many of the mechanical floors have windows.


so floors 91-93 have windows? that's good, vents would have been a bit worse

Update!

Canadate, SSP, October 22nd:

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The earthcam doesn't suck when it's actually up!

I think this last month has seen the most visible progress to date.

http://archives.earthcam.com/archives5/ecnetwork/us/ny/nyc/gzmpr/gzrobotic1.jpg

I wonder how much longer the 16000 on the east side will be able to help with the project. Steel should start rising beyond it's reach soon.

lookin good... thanks for the update, havent been able to make down there recently, but when i get back from tour i certainly will, give you guys some nice photo updates... I really dig how the steel work reflects back to the tridents...

In this photo, i noticed those small silver columns which part of them are in the lobby and the floor above in that part of 1WTC (in the middle of those there that guy). What are those, for the future cladding?
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Thank you Earthcam. I hope this HD cam stays up and working. It also keeps this site less likely to fall into political BS, since we can all see the progress anytime we want, and then talk about it!

earthcam is up wooohooh :banana::banana::banana:

Earthcam is back!! Just in time to watch this tower take form!
http://www.earthcam.com/clients/groundzero/groundZero.swf

So glad earthcam is up. And great progress! Is the beam up yet over the western entrance?

So glad earthcam is up. And great progress! Is the beam up yet over the western entrance?

Not 100% sure, but I don't think so yet.

=christos-greece;45022648]In this photo, i noticed those small silver columns which part of them are in the lobby and the floor above in that part of 1WTC (in the middle of those there that guy). What are those, for the future cladding?

The horizontal silver line near the top of the lobby is the edge of the second floor, which does not extend all the way to the outside of the building.

The vertical posts appear to be light poles attached to the end of the trailer in the foreground of the shot. It's just a trick of perspective that makes them look like part of the building. Check out this shot from a different angle.

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/2580/wtc12x.jpg[

Nice update! I'd like to see more detail pictures of the Manitowoc 18000, I'm trying to do a 3d model.

The earthcam doesn't suck when it's actually up!

I think this last month has seen the most visible progress to date.

http://archives.earthcam.com/archives5/ecnetwork/us/ny/nyc/gzmpr/gzrobotic1.jpg


WOOOOOOOW, just a min. ago all you saw was the core. Now its surrounded by steel. You can really see how big this building is going to be. "Gigantic".... Now imagine next yr from this time. They should be at least be around the 40-50 floor by then. Look how the fast the Beekman Tower has gown this yr alone. That tower should be finished by the end of this yr.. (topoff)!

earthcam is up wooohooh :banana::banana::banana:

YES! I feel like adding 50,000 dancing bananas and other happy icons to this post, but I will refrain. :)

I hope the local photographers don't forget about the core and can manage to get zoomed-in closeup shots of it as it progresses. Lighting will be tough now with the floors above blocking the sun.

great up date...nice to see progress its running ....

so floors 91-93 have windows? that's good, vents would have been a bit worse

I didn't say that, there well be vents on those floors, but they well blend in. Like the base they well have a curtain wall in front of the vents so visually they well look almost like the rest of the tower.

Great update, lots of progress since the summer ! :D

wowwww nice pics big progresss in 30 day.

When you see the pics, it's apparent that a huge amount of progess has been made since the ramp was removed the first of the year. I would think ground level will look very nice by this time next year.

this building is going to be massive! great updates!

Yea, it is. The columns are near the exterior, but are not "the" exterior, so it's even bigger than you may think it to be.

My estimation of a completion date for the whole site is late 2015, possibly early 2016.

- A

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Finally we can see the progress we would have loved to see during the last two years. AWESOME!!! :cheers:

Great photo. I can see the real dimension of the tower base and now its growing up.

Looks huge. Nice to see some good progress!

I had a meeting on the 22nd floor of 1 WFC overlooking ground zero and noticed the difference between the site today and how it was 1 year ago, plus the pace seems to have picked up dramatically over the last couple of months. I use the wtc PATH station on a daily and usually don't notice much progress, I guess that from street level you dont see the tower getting any taller. I can't wait for it to be done!

By the way, any updates on 2WTC? it seems to me that there has been an increase in activity there lately.

I had a meeting on the 22nd floor of 1 WFC overlooking ground zero and noticed the difference between the site today and how it was 1 year ago, plus the pace seems to have picked up dramatically over the last couple of months. I use the wtc PATH station on a daily and usually don't notice much progress, I guess that from street level you dont see the tower getting any taller. I can't wait for it to be done!

By the way, any updates on 2WTC? it seems to me that there has been an increase in activity there lately.The pace has definitely picked up a lot. However, I think Silverstein and the Port Authority are still grinding through the arbitration process, so we probably won't hear anything on WTC2 or WTC3 until later this year. Any activity near WTC2 is probably just overflow from the Path hub site, I would bet.

0% progress seen

0% progress seen

You're missing a couple numbers.

Going to take pictures either today or tomorrow, any requests as far as angles?

West side please.

GreenwichBoy, Wired New York:
http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7772&d=1256301002

Going to take pictures either today or tomorrow, any requests as far as angles?

Yes, can you please get a shot of the northern side of 1WTC's lobby/ground level? The best (really the only) way to get a shot of this is from the north pedestrian footbridge. Hold tightly onto your camera and stretch your arm THROUGH the narrow gap in the footbridge, the one overlooking the plaza. Point to the north side and snap. This is a pic I took using that "method"...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2554/3900058901_8a15d3ce2a_o.jpg

I'm sure a lot more progress has been made since then (this was Sept 5th), but I haven't seen any other members get any shots of this area since. It's also the only part of the tower's lobby level that has anything really "going on" still. So, yeah, PLEASE get a few shots of this side of the building.

Thanks for the photos/updates. Good stuff. :cheers:

0% progress seen

He must think this is the Chicago Spire thread...:nuts:

0% progress seen

100% stupidity seen in your post

Is construction getting faster???

Going to take pictures either today or tomorrow, any requests as far as angles?I would like to request for photos of every angle.

A lot of progress seen! :happy:

Hope it start rising soon. The building It's going to be super stunning. Congrats.

BTW I see almost finished the structure of the WTC memorial, don't you think It's going to be finished earlier?

building grow very slow

building grow very slow

Awesome, I missed your worthless post from a day ago. Be sure to keep us updated!

0% progress seen

are you blind or something?=... they are at like 30m high... so I don´t thing there is 0% progress... its true they are very slowly but now you can see a real progress.

building grow very slow

I agree. Very, very slow. :lol:

building grow very slow
Very slow =//= 0% progress.

Make up your mind, will you?

Can you people just ignore posts like those?
Why the hell are you repeating this story on every single page?
Every single day some moron will say how slow it is...
They doing this on purpose just to see your angry posts...

Be smarter and ignore them..

Now drop it and get back on topic..

Can you people just ignore posts like those?
Why the hell are you repeating this story on every single page?
Every single day some moron will say how slow it is...
They doing this on purpose just to see your angry posts...

Be smarter and ignore them..

Now drop it and get back on topic..

"ignore" button works wonders :). 5 people in last 10 pages, not that bad :lol:

thanks meh_cd

alright lets get back on topic everyone freedom tower has done a lot the past 2 months!

They continue work on the hole of south tower on the memorial...:)

They continue work on the hole of south tower on the memorial...:)

I noticed that too. The truck-mounted crane is extended and moving around as beams are being installed close to where the "drain" will be in the south pool. Visible progress in that area has appeared to be very slow to me over the last few months. Guess it will speed up once the tracks are completely covered.

Does anyone know why the structure on the east side of the south pool is made of steel that is colored gray? (Most of the steel for the memorial and 1WTC is rust-colored, brown, or red.) The structure also appears to be much more substantial, with its horizontal beams spaced closer together. Is it going to be a parking garage?

From wtcprogress.com, here is a Q&A that discusses the memorial construction schedule.

http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/q_a_response_thomas_oconnor_2.html

Thomas J. O’Connor is a senior engineer of construction for the World Trade Center Construction Department and is responsible for managing the construction of the National September 11 Memorial & Museum.

Mr. O’Connor has nearly 30 years of experience in project management and engineering construction activities, including the restoration of the temporary World Trade Center PATH Station and major construction projects at John F. Kennedy International and LaGuardia airports.



Q. Now that we’ve just passed the eighth anniversary of 9/11, I’m trying to find out when work on the plaza finishes – such as the trees and waterfalls – will begin? -- Michael, Brooklyn, N.Y.

A. Michael, if you take a look at our Web site – www.wtcprogress.com - you can see the substantial progress we’ve made to build the Memorial in just one year. We’ll keep up the aggressive pace we’ve set during this upcoming year. To answer your specific question, by the 9th anniversary, we’ll have work underway on the Plaza finishes, beginning with stonework on the two signature reflecting pools.


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Q. I am following the construction of this project and find it remarkable. So much water cascading will surely be dramatic, both the sound of falling water and the visual appearance of it. Will the falls operate year-around, day and night? How much water is required to cascade in order to give the right effect? How will they light the pools at night? In how many years will the pools be in operation? –- Victor, Scarsdale, N.Y.

A. I’m sure others who have seen the renderings of the Memorial on the Web site will agree that it will be a beautiful, contemplative public space once it is complete. Once the Memorial Plaza is open on the 10th anniversary, the waterfalls will operate 24/7, 365 days a year. Each waterfall will pour 40,000 gallons of water per minute, which could fill an Olympic-sized pool in eight minutes. Lights in the interior of the pools will illuminate the waterfalls.


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Q. Is there a scheduled date to return the tridents to the site? –- Franklin, TN

A. The tridents you refer to are the signature pieces of steel that resemble tuning forks that were recovered from the remains of the Twin Towers and preserved for the past eight years. These jumbo steel columns will be returned to the site in the 4th Quarter of 2010 and will be displayed in the Memorial Pavilion.


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Q. When visitors go down to the bottom of the bathtub and enter the North Pool, will they be able to see and touch the remains of the perimeter columns and core columns? –- Orlando, FL

A. The perimeter column remains from the former 1 World Trade Center are among the key artifacts we’ve preserved on the site. They will be visible in the Museum and visitors will be able to walk around the perimeter columns surrounding the pools.


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Q. When will the south tower reflecting pool be finished? Also, when will the steel over the PATH Terminal be erected? -- Anthony, Commack, N.Y.

A. As you can see on our Web site, the south reflecting pool is already beginning to take shape and will be completed with active waterfalls by September 11, 2011. The steel over the PATH terminal will begin in the 2nd quarter of 2010.


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Q. I see that the North Pool is very visible. When will the South Pool be as far along as the North Pool? –- Montana, N.Y., N.Y.

A. As I mentioned above, the south pool is already taking shape. The reason why it is being completed second to the north pool goes to the complexity of the entire project. The steel to complete the south pool is being built on top of the south mezzanine of the PATH Station, which was installed as part of the Hub project. This had to built first – all while maintaining service on an active railroad under the work area – before the street-level steel can be installed for the south pool. The Memorial steel will be installed during off-peak hours so PATH service is not disrupted.


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Q. Will the long building that houses the PATH train tracks, just east of the North Pool, need to be dismantled or will you just add a level on top of it to finish the plaza level and Museum Pavilion? -- Joe, Cambridge, MA

A. The building that currently houses the PATH train tracks will be dismantled and a new station below the Memorial will replace it.


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Q. I would like to know when the PATH Station, which is just beside the World Trade Center Memorial, will be covered by the new plaza? Also, I would like to know when the southwest corner of the Memorial will be built, and when Greenwich Street will be built along with Fulton Street? -- Boris, Ridgefield, CT

A. Your question clearly shows how integral seemingly unrelated projects are to the Memorial. We will complete steel installation in the southwest corner of the Memorial footprint by the 1st quarter of 2010. The current temporary PATH Station will be completely covered by the new Memorial Plaza by the 1st quarter of 2012. Portions of Greenwich Street – which will serve as the front door to the Memorial – will be accessible with interim walking surfaces by the 3rd quarter of 2011. And portions of Fulton Street adjacent to the Memorial Plaza will be accessible with interim surfaces by the 4th quarter of 2012.


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Q. When is the remaining steel going to be put in place over the PATH rails? Secondly, when is the roof for the South Mezzanine going to start and why is it taking so long to put a roof on? –- Ryan, Roseville, MN

A. The majority of steel will be installed over the PATH rails by the summer of 2010. The roof for the South Mezzanine will start early next year. As I mentioned above, this section requires close coordination between the Hub and Memorial project and work cannot begin until the steel for the Hub’s south mezzanine is installed first.


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Q. How are you incorporating building around the operating PATH Station? –- Jason, Hoboken, N.J.

A. The PATH Station is in operation seven-days-a-week, 24-hours-a-day. To keep PATH running and get the Memorial and the other projects built at the same time, we can only work on and around the tracks during scheduled outages on the weekends and overnight by closing one of the two PATH tunnels that provide access in and out of the site. This allows the Memorial work to proceed without shutting down the entire system. This kind of logistics coordination is essential when building so much in such a confined area with literally two active subway systems running 24-hours-a-day.

I noticed that too. The truck-mounted crane is extended and moving around as beams are being installed close to where the "drain" will be in the south pool. Visible progress in that area has appeared to be very slow to me over the last few months. Guess it will speed up once the tracks are completely covered.

Does anyone know why the structure on the east side of the south pool is made of steel that is colored gray? (Most of the steel for the memorial and 1WTC is rust-colored, brown, or red.) The structure also appears to be much more substantial, with its horizontal beams spaced closer together. Is it going to be a parking garage?

They're putting another large crawler crane where the smaller crane is right now. There's a bridge for the crawler on top of that gray steel similar to the bridges near Tower 1 for those crawler cranes.

soooooo slow..

Seeing all the answered questions and the deadlines/milestones I really looking forward to the WTC progressing.:cheers:
Especially the Memorial at the south tower's footprint and the Path-station.
Hopefully they can keep the pace up and avoid any setbacks or delays.

if you look up freedomtower on flickr people he has uploaded a lot of pics lately check it out

Cant we just ban all those trolls, i want to read construction updates and not 5 trolling posts on every page.

Can anyone please answer this? What IS the South Mezzanine? I know where it's located and I hear about it all the time, but I'm still not sure even what it actually is. The word mezzanine implies that it'll be above the PATH tracks, so... does that mean it'll be a location where PATH train passengers can exit there (as opposed to the main PATH mezzanine) and be able to exit up near Liberty and Greenwich? Seems kinda far south if this were the case (I didn't know the trains even stopped in the corner that far south). I'm just really confused about this, can someone explain???

"ignore" button works wonders :). 5 people in last 10 pages, not that bad :lol:

thanks meh_cd

Yep, I think my list has over 30 people on it. I do check to see if they have contributed anything positive first before I zap 'em...so far they number 0!

Can anyone please answer this? What IS the South Mezzanine? I know where it's located and I hear about it all the time, but I'm still not sure even what it actually is. The word mezzanine implies that it'll be above the PATH tracks, so... does that mean it'll be a location where PATH train passengers can exit there (as opposed to the main PATH mezzanine) and be able to exit up near Liberty and Greenwich? Seems kinda far south if this were the case (I didn't know the trains even stopped in the corner that far south). I'm just really confused about this, can someone explain???

I've wondered as well. Here is part of one of the answers in the PA's recent Q&A.

"... The steel to complete the south pool is being built on top of the south mezzanine of the PATH Station, which was installed as part of the Hub project. "


Also, the webcams show that new steel was added in the south pool section today. Yeah!!

I visited the site yesterday (no photos, it was miserable out and I didn't want to get my camera wet). And I don't think these pictures really show how BIG this thing really is. Can't wait to see this thing past the base.

and with that, are they replacing the crawler crane on the east side or was that for the memorial? I think I misread. :lol:

Can anyone please answer this? What IS the South Mezzanine? I know where it's located and I hear about it all the time, but I'm still not sure even what it actually is. The word mezzanine implies that it'll be above the PATH tracks, so... does that mean it'll be a location where PATH train passengers can exit there (as opposed to the main PATH mezzanine) and be able to exit up near Liberty and Greenwich? Seems kinda far south if this were the case (I didn't know the trains even stopped in the corner that far south). I'm just really confused about this, can someone explain???


from the PA's WTC status report:

North/South Connections: Sub-grade pedestrian connectors will extend north from the Transit Hall to provide access to Vesey Street, a separate connection to the E, A/C, and 2/3 lines and Tower 2. Sub-grade pedestrian connectors will extend south from the Transit Hall to provide access to Cortlandt Way, the corner of Liberty and Church Streets, separate connections to the southbound R/W and northbound #1 lines, and Towers 3 and 4.

I visited the site yesterday (no photos, it was miserable out and I didn't want to get my camera wet). And I don't think these pictures really show how BIG this thing really is. Can't wait to see this thing past the base.


Well the original Twin Towers weren't exactly what you would call a pushover. Freedom Tower is designed with very similar specs. This may not be the tallest supertall in the world, but it's still the fattest. The only tower that comes close is the ICC in Hong Kong, but I think Freedom still wins out in depth.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2448/4035921136_893068b9d8_o.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/maineislander/4035921136/sizes/o/

Well the original Twin Towers weren't exactly what you would call a pushover. Freedom Tower is designed with very similar specs. This may not be the tallest supertall in the world, but it's still the fattest. The only tower that comes close is the ICC in Hong Kong, but I think Freedom still wins out in depth.



1WTC has some bulk. But it's not the "fattest". 1WTC is 200'x200' at the base. Willis (formerly Sears) Tower is 225'x225' at its base. I'm sure Abraj Al-Bait has some hefty dimensions as well. Willis Tower also beats out in floor space as well. 3.8 million sq ft vs. 2.6 million for 1WTC.

FYI, ICC's biggest floor space is just under 39,000 sq ft.

1WTC has some bulk. But it's not the "fattest". 1WTC is 200'x200' at the base. Willis (formerly Sears) Tower is 225'x225' at its base. I'm sure Abraj Al-Bait has some hefty dimensions as well. Willis Tower also beats out in floor space as well. 3.8 million sq ft vs. 2.6 million for 1WTC.


Abraj Al-Bait is the only one that may beat it, although the top is a clock tower. For all intensive purposes, 1WTC should be the fattest at its top floor over any other supertall.

1WTC has some bulk. But it's not the "fattest". 1WTC is 200'x200' at the base. Sears Tower is 225'x225' at its base. I'm sure Abraj Al-Bait has some hefty dimensions as well. Sears Tower also beats out in floor space as well. 3.8 million sq ft vs. 2.6 million for 1WTC.

FYI, ICC's biggest floor space is just under 39,000 sq ft.

There you go.

Abraj Albait is probably the fattest supertall in the world.

Abraj Albait is probably the fattest supertall in the world.

To a point, according to this diagram 1WTC still takes the cake at its highest floor.

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/3381/worldstallest400mjr8.jpg

1WTC has some bulk. But it's not the "fattest". 1WTC is 200'x200' at the base. Willis (formerly Sears) Tower is 225'x225' at its base. I'm sure Abraj Al-Bait has some hefty dimensions as well. Willis Tower also beats out in floor space as well. 3.8 million sq ft vs. 2.6 million for 1WTC.

FYI, ICC's biggest floor space is just under 39,000 sq ft.

albait hotel tower is massive for a 500m skyscraper.
up to 400m its 78m wide/ 250ft.then 65m/215ft wide at 450m roof.

Sorry for the delay guys but here are pictures taken on Sunday 10/26 (beautiful day btw!), I'm also posting pictures of 123 Washington and the Beekman tower in their own designated threads

PART 1

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/1609/100uw.jpg

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/6066/098x.jpg

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/3739/084mf.jpg

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/1607/083hq.jpg

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/6734/082hd.jpg

PART 2

http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/5105/080i.jpg

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/3469/079vh.jpg

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/4411/075wj.jpg

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/2456/074ko.jpg

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/1954/070cm.jpg

Hey, better late than never. You have some stunning shots in there! Thank you! :cheers:

PART 3

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http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/5959/067st.jpg

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/2769/066ws.jpg

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/5687/065ih.jpg

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/3310/064nd.jpg

Excellent photos, thanks!

PART 4 (Last batch)

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http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/2700/061ss.jpg

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http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/6751/059ae.jpg

Very striking jobsite with the red beams and the red cranes.

crane porn :)

nice pictures
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Port to Develop Plan B for WTC ( oh noess, not a plan B)

The Port Authority of New York and Jersey’s board voted Thursday to allocate $20 million toward developing an alternate plan that would allow World Trade Center construction to go on without Silverstein Properties Inc. if necessary. The board’s action was in response to Gov. David Paterson’s order last August that the Port and its consultants come up with such a plan.

According to public documents, the revised design for the WTC Hub is being devised "in light of the continued uncertainty with respect to the schedule for the development of Towers 2, 3 and 4," the three Ground Zero towers planned by SPI. The plan would allow construction of the WTC’s public components to move forward while not impeding SPI’s ability to eventually commence work on its towers. Tower 4 is currently under way.

Biggest of the allocations is $6.5 million to Downtown Design Partnership, a joint venture of DMJM+Harris and STV, to modify "certain elements" of the WTC Hub’s transit hall and oculus. If implemented, these changes would not affect the "signature elements" of the Santiago Calatrava design for the WTC PATH terminal, according to board minutes. Other modifications would affect the streetscapes, the underground Vehicular Underground Center and the loading dock and power distribution facilities at One World Trade Center.

To help ensure that the National September 11 Memorial & Museum opens in time for the 10th Anniversary of 9/11, the PANYNJ board authorized a $140-million project for final design and construction of Ground Zero’s street and sidewalk finishes, trees, paving, bollards and streetscape furniture. It also entails additional design work on Liberty Park, a new park that will span the length of Liberty Street between Church and West streets. Thursday’s vote did not name a contractor or contractors for the project.

In a statement, PANYNJ executive director Chris Ward says, "One year ago, we gave the public a roadmap on how we would get the site’s public projects on track and asked them to hold us accountable. We take that responsibility very seriously and are continuing to take the necessary steps to ensure that our projects move forward." :rofl: :blahblah:

The board also awarded more than $340 million in contracts to replace the signals on the PATH system connecting Midtown and Downtown with New Jersey. Currently, the system, which last year transported nearly 75 million riders, uses "antiquated" mechanical train controls, according to a PANYNJ release. The computerized equipment that would replace these controls is part of a $3.3-billion modernization program for the PATH system.

http://www.globest.com/news/1523_1523/newyork/181801-1.html

2 more beams..:)

My man, I think I'm talkin' in the name of everyone here when I'm sayin' that you have a big respect from us...Thanks a lot for those pics...:)
:cheers:

lovely up date picture....

Amazing updates!!!

2 more beams..:)

My man, I think I'm talkin' in the name of everyone here when I'm sayin' that you have a big respect from us...Thanks a lot for those pics...:)
:cheers:

2 more beams? Where? I didn't notice anything at all happening at 1WTC today. :( Although there was some progress in the dismantling of the temporary path hub's roof (the part over the actual tracks).

And yeah, huge thanks for the pics.

Superb photo update!

Also, the Port Authority will be presenting its Quarterly Construction update tomorrow night at a community board meeting. So it should be published online very soon.

2 more beams? Where? I didn't notice anything at all happening at 1WTC today. :( Although there was some progress in the dismantling of the temporary path hub's roof (the part over the actual tracks).

And yeah, huge thanks for the pics.

2 more beams missing on the west side...:)

so why arent they putting up the stupid last 2 columns come on freedom tower!!!

2 more beams? Where? I didn't notice anything at all happening at 1WTC today. :( Although there was some progress in the dismantling of the temporary path hub's roof (the part over the actual tracks).

And yeah, huge thanks for the pics.


plainly seen ^^ 2 more columns. One on each side of west doorway

Hi Guys, I have been following this thread for so long, it is cool to see updates and to get new info about the WTC rebuilding process... I have been following everything about the WTC since 2000, the year I was lucky enough to visit the observatory of the former Twin Towers. Of course I have visited Ground Zero each time I've been to NYC...

I have pictures of each time I've been there but I'd specially like to share ones of my two last visits this year since now we can see a lot of progress...

Well... the following ones are taken on July 11th 2009

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/6332/wtcny11jul200901topost.jpg

Look at the base in the following image

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/2569/wtcny11jul200902topost.jpg

The next one was taken on October 11th 2009, exactly 3 months later... see the difference...???

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/2933/wtcny11oct200901topost.jpg

And the next ones from different sides also from October 11th 2009...

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/1726/wtcny11oct200902topost.jpg

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/5827/wtcny11oct200903topost.jpg

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/5462/wtcny11oct200904topost.jpg

I know, not only to me but to many people after so long it's just so cool to see this kind of progress... ;)

I know Yazoo pictures are even more updated; however I just couldn't resist sharing my enthusiasm... Great Job Yazoo btw... do you live in NYC...???

It's okay, post anything you got. They look fine, and clearly show the progress made in the last three months! A LOT has clearly been done! Those should put any and all doubts to rest.

Thank you! :)

Some new progress elsewhere on the site that I noticed on the EarthCam:
http://i33.tinypic.com/1zpij55.jpg
They're starting to build out the South Pool of the memorial, at least to the PATH tracks.

http://i33.tinypic.com/30iidxv.jpg
They've started back up again demolishing the roof of the temporary transit hub pavilion.

I'm not sure if this question has been asked and answered before in this thread, but I was just curious...

Is there a specific reason that the tower will be two floors shorter than the previous World Trade Center towers? I've always wondered why that was.

I know Yazoo pictures are even more updated; however I just couldn't resist sharing my enthusiasm... Great Job Yazoo btw... do you live in NYC...???

Yes I do. I will try to take more pictures from now on ;-)

I'm not sure if this question has been asked and answered before in this thread, but I was just curious...

Is there a specific reason that the tower will be two floors shorter than the previous World Trade Center towers? I've always wondered why that was.

The roof height is the same as the South Tower (1362 ft) and the parapet is the same as the North Tower (1368 ft). It doesn't actually have 108 "floors"; the first office floor that is on top of the base we are seeing built right now is the 20th floor. Then you have another set of mechanical floors near the top - I'm not sure how those and the observation deck and restaurant floors figure into the count.

But that's only part of the answer. The other part is that buildings today are built with higher ceilings than the original twin towers were.

The roof height is the same as the South Tower (1362 ft) and the parapet is the same as the North Tower (1368 ft). It doesn't actually have 108 "floors"; the first office floor that is on top of the base we are seeing built right now is the 20th floor. Then you have another set of mechanical floors near the top - I'm not sure how those and the observation deck and restaurant floors figure into the count.

But that's only part of the answer. The other part is that buildings today are built with higher ceilings than the original twin towers were.

Ah, I see. Thank you for answering my question. :cheers:

Yes I do. I will try to take more pictures from now on ;-)

Great...!!! We'll be waiting for the updates...!!! Regards from Quito...

Was in NYC this weekend. Walked around WTC 1 on Sunday. All I've got to say is, "this thing is enormous." The super beams are astounding. No need to defend the construction anymore. As far as I am concerned, it is a skyscraper now.

Bugs

another day will be wasted because weather is a $hit.

Yeah, this is a little stupid. I mean there are people working on the road near my house pouring concrete curbs today even though it's pouring rain out....and NOTHING is getting done on this tower.

rain rain go effin away..come back when they are doing office floors..ahhaa

Yeah, this is a little stupid. I mean there are people working on the road near my house pouring concrete curbs today even though it's pouring rain out....and NOTHING is getting done on this tower.


:ohno: I'm sure there is a touch of scarsium here or just crappy city services either way you really can't compare normal weight concrete to high strength 2000psi or what ever they are using......and if I am recalling correctly wasn't part of the reason for the lagging north core bad concrete?

:ohno: I'm sure there is a touch of scarsium here or just crappy city services either way you really can't compare normal weight concrete to high strength 2000psi or what ever they are using......and if I am recalling correctly wasn't part of the reason for the lagging north core bad concrete?

#1 pouring concrete have nothing to do with our discussion ( he just provided example)

#2 core suppose to lag behind steel with this tower, same thing happen with WTC7

on other hand, I live 2 hours away and it's raining like a bieeaaaatch today

It's pretty crappy out, and I'm about 25 miles (direct route, that is) away. It's on and off pouring buckets, so I don't blame them. Still, it sucks that the weather messed things up. C'est la vie. :l

:ohno: I'm sure there is a touch of scarsium here or just crappy city services either way you really can't compare normal weight concrete to high strength 2000psi or what ever they are using......and if I am recalling correctly wasn't part of the reason for the lagging north core bad concrete?

More like Obama city services, but hey at least it’s finally getting done. :lol:

maybe after a month it will start to grow faster.awesome

It would be suicide to hang steel in the rain and the fact that it is against OSHA regs to do so.

Rain really shouldn't be a factor with cement, unless its coming down hard.

Rodhano those are some nice shots. I really like the second from last one, it shows the second floor very well.

Rain really shouldn't be a factor with cement, unless its coming down hard.I've seen shows on TV were they've poured concrete under water and it cured fine. Now granted, that concrete wasn't supporting a 1400-foot tower, but I think it's likely that only steel work was scheduled for today, and that's why we didn't see any activity.

I did notice they were stockpiling some memorial steel around the south pool and SW corner. So once the rain stops we should see a lot of steel installed quickly.

It would be suicide to hang steel in the rain and the fact that it is against OSHA regs to do so.

Rain really shouldn't be a factor with cement, unless its coming down hard.

Yeah I know, it's just disappointing. So many wasted days, I guess what do you expect in this part of the country though? It ain’t no Texas.

It would be suicide to hang steel in the rain and the fact that it is against OSHA regs to do so.

Rain really shouldn't be a factor with cement, unless its coming down hard.

Do they work on the weekend to catch up if a day gets totally washed out? Forecast isn't so rosy for this weekend either...

I wouldn't work in these rain it let up a lil but that stuff was coming down hard.

Next 3 days they expect Sunny/Partly Cloudy conditions so we should expect a lot of work to be done and last large beams to be placed. :). Any new yorkers get your cameras ready

Yeah I know, it's just disappointing. So many wasted days, I guess what do you expect in this part of the country though? It ain’t no Texas.

We are certainly getting our share this month....we are in the 7th wettest October in recorded history and it's getting ready to rain for two days straight.

You can go muddin' in my driveway....

GO NY GO! :)

They poured more concrete for the memorial plaza today.

yeah i went down to the site today and it looked very good. the two core cranes were lifting steel and things were definitely in motion.

also saw beekman place, which is looking good too.

nice and sunny so somebody with a digital camera should get pictures!

ahh finally above ground

ahh finally above ground

Where da hell have you been this thing been above grown

ahh finally above ground

"ahh new president! obama elected!"

"iran election protests! man this is crazy!"

"omg michael jackson just died!"

etc.

Blimey, who pissed in your sink today?!

I think poshbakerloo is actually referring to the fact that he's not been on this forum for such a long time and that there was a very long wait for it to get above street level that it has now done. :)

Blimey, who pissed in your sink today?!

I think poshbakerloo is actually referring to the fact that he's not been on this forum for such a long time and that there was a very long wait for it to get above street level that it has now done. :)

Too bad it mimics the moronic posts that have come before his. with a post count that large, let's hope he is being facetious!

A few new insights into the arbitration dispute. Larry's seeking his $2.75 billion back. We should know the winner by the end of the year.

Silverstein breaks the silence in W.T.C. dispute

By Julie Shapiro


World Trade Center developer Larry Silverstein.

Developer Larry Silverstein sometimes thinks about leaving the quagmire of the World Trade Center site behind and casting off on his yacht, but he said he’s afraid that without him, the site will never get rebuilt.

“Without a push from the private sector to move this damn thing forward, it wouldn’t happen,” Silverstein said Wednesday at the RealShare New York real estate conference in Midtown.


http://downtownexpress.com/de_340/silversteinbreaks.html

Since when is hogging all the money a "push"?

Since when is hogging all the money a "push"?I agree 100 percent. “Without a push from the private sector to move this damn thing forward, it wouldn’t happen,” Silverstein says, but look at the site: The public sector development has far exceeded the private sector development: 1WTC's a couple hundred feet above ground level, the memorial plaza is built, and construction on the transit hub will begin in earnest shortly. Silverstein's gotten 1 of his three buildings on the site close to ground level. Silverstein's argument that the delays in infrastructure construction have prevented him from building the rest of his towers is undermined by his statement that construction will be complete by 2016 if he wrests $2.7 billion from the PA (and therefore the taxpayers of NY and NJ)'s pockets: he didn't anticipate the real estate bubble bursting, he didn't anticipate the credit markets freezing in the face of the worst recession since the Great Depression, and now he wants the PA to pay for his miscalculations.

I want to see a fully developed site as much as the next guy, but the port area will suffer if the PA has to devote its resources to speculative office space instead of badly needed public works projects.

New York can put up with waiting for public works projects. The world has been waiting for the return of the World Trade Center for 8 years.