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The PA doesn't deserve the $2.75 billion. Silverstein has been paying rent on land that he hasn't been able to lease. The government has been collecting free money. They should give it back to Silverstein. 1WTC is paid for, it won't suffer. Neither will the memorial.

If there's a casualty it may be Calatrava's Hub. But I doubt it, the PA would just siphon the money from another project to pay for it.

The PA doesn't deserve the $2.75 billion. Silverstein has been paying rent on land that he hasn't been able to lease.And Silverstein agreed to pay it.The government has been collecting free money. They should give it back to Silverstein.Hardly free, they had to clear out and level the sites for 2WTC, 3WTC and 4WTC. Now that Silverstein has gotten the work he wanted done, he wants the money to pay for it back. Seems hypocritical to me. After all, the PA already paid Silverstein Properties the penalties for the delays in turning over the sites for 2WTC & 3WTC. Silverstein has already got everything he was due.1WTC is paid for, it won't suffer. Neither will the memorial.

If there's a casualty it may be Calatrava's Hub. But I doubt it, the PA would just siphon the money from another project to pay for it.No, the World Trade Center site won't suffer. But projects that far more of the region's inhabitants would benefit from will:
Maintenance on bridges, tunnels, ports, terminals and airports under the Authority's control will have to be deferred. Modernization of La Guardia, essential for it to continue operating safely, would stall. Efforts relieve airspace congestion by expanding Stewart Airport into a fourth major regional airport would fall by the wayside. Plans to raise the clearance of the Bayonne Bridge so that newer ships could make it into the harbor would collapse. A bus garage for the midtown bus terminal would not be built.

PA executive director Chris Ward put it succinctly: "Silverstein Properties (SPI) has now rejected four offers that put on the table significant amounts of public investment to move their private office towers forward. All that was asked in return was for Mr. Silverstein to take on the same risk he was asking of the public and he could not even agree to do that. It is clear SPI will accept nothing less than two fully subsidized office buildings and that is irresponsible and unacceptable. This arbitration process cannot distract from that fundamental point - that SPI would rather have public dollars at risk in place of its own private investment." In other words, Silverstein wants to have his cake and eat it, too: socialize the risk, and privatize the profits right into his pockets.

2WTC and 3WTC would look great on the skyline. But for the vast majority of people, that's the only benefit they'd have have. The other projects that would be jeopardized by the payout sought would have a far more wide-reaching benefit.

they been pouring something next to north core all morning, any idea? Is it the a section right next to a crawler?

^ Looks like the North plaza area though they could pour that as part of the West Plaza as well.

You can see the last column for the SW corner was added today. I can't be 100% sure, but looks like the large spandrel beam was put in as well. That should mean the last NW column was added too.

You can see the last column for the SW corner was added today. I can't be 100% sure, but looks like the large spandrel beam was put in as well. That should mean the last NW column was added too.

I don't think yet...it's hard to see on the webcams.

Ahh they already finished the swimming pool right next to the tower, cool :lol:

I don't think yet...it's hard to see on the webcams.

They put into place the one perimeter column in the SW corner (I was watching it earlier and the hi-res webcam had one shot with the crane lifting it high up, so it was clearly visible), but I'm pretty sure they didn't put up the one last perimeter column (the one to the north) or the horizontal beam between the two.

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Amazing!. that's a major progress!..maybe in one year we can see how big it will be..congrats!..

What is that big light blue part just south(is that right?) of Freedom Tower?

It's always the underground levels that take FOREVER but now that it's above ground, it seems like it's flying by. Now we can start to see the form of the building and how well it matches the plans.

http://chicagoismynewblog.wordpress.com

I agree 100 percent. “Without a push from the private sector to move this damn thing forward, it wouldn’t happen,” Silverstein says, but look at the site: The public sector development has far exceeded the private sector development: 1WTC's a couple hundred feet above ground level, the memorial plaza is built, and construction on the transit hub will begin in earnest shortly. Silverstein's gotten 1 of his three buildings on the site close to ground level. Silverstein's argument that the delays in infrastructure construction have prevented him from building the rest of his towers is undermined by his statement that construction will be complete by 2016 if he wrests $2.7 billion from the PA (and therefore the taxpayers of NY and NJ)'s pockets: he didn't anticipate the real estate bubble bursting, he didn't anticipate the credit markets freezing in the face of the worst recession since the Great Depression, and now he wants the PA to pay for his miscalculations.

I want to see a fully developed site as much as the next guy, but the port area will suffer if the PA has to devote its resources to speculative office space instead of badly needed public works projects.

1 WTC is only 100 feet above the ground.

Delays in infrastructure are clearly delaying construction. Have you not noticed that 4 WTC did not get the second crane it was supposed to, or how construction has slowed at the site. Why build something that would be done and lack infrastructure. He would be wasting his money.

Further the PA has been more than late on its side of the bargain. They are pretty much behind on every project aside from the memorial. While there have obviously been some complications in the construction process at the site, it seems clear to me from the actions of the PA that their only goal is to wrest control from Silverstein. Their actions have not been in good faith to say the least.

i love the way that the beams split into tridents echoing the construction of the twin towers even thought it wont be for much longer.

1 WTC is only 100 feet above the ground.It's higher than that, but I'll grant you it's probably not quite over 200 feet yet.Delays in infrastructure are clearly delaying construction. Have you not noticed that 4 WTC did not get the second crane it was supposed to, or how construction has slowed at the site. Why build something that would be done and lack infrastructure. He would be wasting his money.Construction of 4WTC, including cranes, is Silverstein Properties's responsibility.Further the PA has been more than late on its side of the bargain. They are pretty much behind on every project aside from the memorial. While there have obviously been some complications in the construction process at the site, it seems clear to me from the actions of the PA that their only goal is to wrest control from Silverstein. Their actions have not been in good faith to say the least.That there have been significant delays is undeniable. The existing agreement laid out penalties for delays on the PANYNJ's obligations, and the PA has paid Silverstein Properties those penalties. Its obligation was to turn over the three sites in build-ready condition. The PA's delays in doing so were significant, but it paid the penalty fees for those delays and has now done so.

I don't think think the PA wants to wrest control from Silverstein; the whole dispute resolves around the fact that the PA can't afford to finance any additional development at the site. It'd be perfectly fine with the agency if Silverstein keeps control of those three sites, even if nothing gets built until 2030, as long as the agency doesn't have to pay for it. The foundation work will get completed, by the PA if necessary, so the transit hub can be built.

I hate the PA's argument that it doesn't want to pay for "speculative office space". That's precisely what 1WTC is.

i really don´t wanna be evil but this is really the slowest construction site on earth! compared to this they built a whole new city in china or at least hundreds of new skyscrapers in dubai - and don´t tell me it´s because of the very, very special security on the site! it´s a shame for the US and of course for new york. :ohno:

The foundation is the major work in this project that is taking much of the time.As soon as that is done the main construction will speed up.

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What is that blue staff beside the tower?

looks like earthcam got blown by the wind again.

What is that blue staff beside the tower?

Waterproofing material for the Fulton Street...

No idea, but give the hideous colour it's probably something that will be covered.

EDIT: Question has been answered while I was writing above post.

they been pouring something next to north core all morning, any idea? Is it the a section right next to a crawler?

Yes, the concrete was poured on the north side of the crawler...
And the beam is up there too...So one more beam left...

grrrrr the stupid HD cam is being stupid again!?!?!?!

Lets hope they are going to fix it faster than last time...

i really don´t wanna be evil but this is really the slowest construction site on earth! compared to this they built a whole new city in china or at least hundreds of new skyscrapers in dubai - and don´t tell me it´s because of the very, very special security on the site! it´s a shame for the US and of course for new york. :ohno:

Dubai is the kitschy capital of the world and I'd be willing to bet that the construction standards there are far lower than they are at the WTC. I wouldn't go to a Dubai thread and call them out on it but you brought it here.

i really don´t wanna be evil but this is really the slowest construction site on earth! compared to this they built a whole new city in china or at least hundreds of new skyscrapers in Dubai - and don´t tell me it´s because of the very, very special security on the site! it´s a shame for the US and of course for new york. :ohno:

Don't any of you 'slow progress' guys read the thread? Do you not remember that over 2700 people died on this site in 2001? Do you not know how many levels of destruction there was and what had to be rebuilt?

Of course it's slow. And no you CANNOT compare this to Dubai or any other country's construction pace. Think man!! It's common sense why this is taking forever to this point. :bash:

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/8156/1copyt.jpg

I know it's a joke, but I like how Ryugyong is almost a linear line when it was an empty concrete shell for years.

^^ Bullshit diagram ...
The progress is visible at the WTC 1.

damn HD cam, now it's gonna take another 4 weeks to fix it, this blows :ohno: anyone want to tell me how earthcam staying in business?

from wired ny

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/6480/picture235.jpg

It's not down, it's just tilted at a stupid angle. It'll be fixed as soon as someone goes up on the roof and fixes it.

^^ Bullshit diagram ...
The progress is visible at the WTC 1.

True!

- Pentominium is rather slow and ground work is still unfinished!
- Sky Tree should be the fastest.
- Ryungyang Hotel is slower than WTC1
- Foundations of The Shard and Shanghai Tower are still unfinished.
- And why the hell is the WTC 1 chart declining? It should skyrocket at the end, if it were real!

True!

- Pentominium is rather slow and ground work is still unfinished!
- Sky Tree should be the fastest.
- Ryungyang Hotel is slower than WTC1
- Foundations of The Shard and Shanghai Tower are still unfinished.
- And why the hell is the WTC 1 chart declining? It should skyrocket at the end, if it were real!

It's just meant as a joke. I don't understand why some people take it so personal. Get over it. 1WTC construction is amongst the slowest in the world. We know the reasons why. So everyone just get over it and enjoy the very slow ride.

We've got another four long years ahead of us.

It's just meant as a joke. I don't understand why some people take it so personal. Get over it. 1WTC construction is amongst the slowest in the world. We know the reasons why. So everyone just get over it and enjoy the very slow ride.

We've got another four long years ahead of us.

ok you got a big F mouth pretty boy. Everywhere I go I see your dumb posts. If it's too slow, don't come here and don't post every 10 pages that construction is slow. Grow up!!!

actually nm, another immature on ignore list

just saw on Wikipedia that the last lobby column was errected today :) :cheers:

just saw on Wikipedia that the last lobby column was errected today :) :cheers:

Oh really? There's a pic of it 5 posts above yours... :lol:

ok you got a big F mouth pretty boy. Everywhere I go I see your dumb posts. If it's too slow, dont come here but dont post every 10 pages that construction is slow. Grow up!!!

actually nm, another immature on igonore list

Somebody needs a thicker skin. I PM an apology to you. Although I admit it's kinda half-assed. Larry Silverstein complains all the time about the pace of construction. As does the mayor, council members, new yorkers. America just wants the WTC site rebuilt so we can honor those who lost their lives on Sept. 11.

My apologies to anyone on this forum I've "offended".

last column pics and west plaza:
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/6973/wtc53c.jpg

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/2923/wtc54c.jpg

just massive!!!

Wow, these steel cables are as thick as my arm!!! :drool:

Wow, these steel cables are as thick as my arm!!! :drool:

Damn, your arm must be massive :D

It's really speeding up! Every day there is something new to see :) Is it me by the way, or is this building being build in a different way? Normally you see the core moving up first, followed by the rest of the bulding. But right now, it almost looks like it's going the other way around.

It really looks impressive base construction and is shaped portion of the base you see in the render to be all glazed.
Now I think the foundation facts iran much faster with the floors, I want to see it grow:)

Good to see that the west plaza is finally poured, are those holes in the plaza structure for tree planters?

^^ Yup. Though, the one in the bottom right corner is for (I assume) the stairs that will lead from the sidewalk up to the plaza, which is about 6 feet higher in that corner.

Frankly i'm baffled that the construction workers and coordinators don't loose the overview, it looks incredibly busy.

Dubai is the kitschy capital of the world and I'd be willing to bet that the construction standards there are far lower than they are at the WTC. I wouldn't go to a Dubai thread and call them out on it but you brought it here.


Not to mention that the US doesn't use SLAVE LABOR for construction.

Wow, looks great!! One last cross beam to go! Looks like they poured the rest of the plaza too! Thanks webeagle12! :)

Freedom Tower has Kan. system

The Associated Press
October 31, 2009

A central Kansas company is playing a small part in building the One World Trade Center in New York.

United Industries Inc. is helping with the building's cooling.

The Freedom Tower is to be built where the World Trade Center once stood. The competition date is set for 2013.

United Industries says it constructed 17 condenser water filtration systems that will go on the buildings 104th floor and in its mechanical mezzanine

Last month, the company shipped the last six of the filter systems, said David Nash, vice president of the company's Tower-Flo Division.

The tanks will each be able to filter 475 gallons of cooling water per minute.

"They'll be stored in a warehouse," Nash said. "They'll not be hauled into the job site until they are onto the 104th floor."

The cooling towers will cool by spraying finely misted water into a column of moving air to transfer heat from the air.

The water captures minute particles of dirt and debris, which must be removed for the cooling to remain efficient.

United Industries' Tower-Flo system does this by forcing the water through sand.

"In a large building like this there is a significant heat load," Nash said. "When you add all the people and computers and electronic gizmos, there's a lot of heat accumulating you want to get rid of."

United Industries was founded in 1954 and relocated from Wichita to Sterling in 1995, Nash said.

The plant currently employs 15 people, manufacturing filter systems for industrial and recreational water systems.

The Freedom Tower sale is the company's largest single order for Tower-Flo filters.

The previous largest order was a nine-vessel, 7,000 gallon-per-minute filter system exported to a power plant in Chai Hui, Taiwan, in 2003.

Nash said he hopes publicity and the company's reputation from the World Trade Center will result in more work.

"It certainly gives us an inside track if they build a second tower," Nash said.

http://cjonline.com/news/business/2009-10-31/freedom_tower_has_kan_system

last column pics and west plaza:
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/6973/wtc53c.jpg

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/2923/wtc54c.jpgWow! That is a gigantic factory!I am loving it!

Will the steel that Cranezilla is sitting on be used in the tower?

Crap!
The only thing i like is the base but thats all.
BRING BACK THE TOWERS!

Hope silverstein dosent destory this one hey?

Wow, looks like the concrete was poured near big red there. Now there's enough support to pick up the mega-columns. Great progress!

- A

I can remember travelling to this place back in April of 2002, mere months after the Towers fell. It feels like yesterday...

Hope silverstein dosent destory this one hey?

Silverstein holding the lease on the WTC site had nothing to do with 9/11. Get serious or get lost.

It'd be perfectly fine with the agency if Silverstein keeps control of those three sites, even if nothing gets built until 2030, as long as the agency doesn't have to pay for it. The foundation work will get completed, by the PA if necessary, so the transit hub can be built.

If you read back in the thread, you will read clearly, that the PA wants Silverstein to keep to the original timeline. If not they want the rest of site back from Silverstein. So no, the PA does care if Silverstein only builds podiums and keeps it like that until 2030.

GreenwichBoy, Wired New York, Nov. 1st! The final cross beam is in! :banana:

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7823&d=1257111878

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7822&d=1257111859

Sorry if this is a really dumb question but how high is the freedom tower now?

Sorry if this is a really dumb question but how high is the freedom tower now?

The steel is up to 105 feet.

The steel is up to 105 feet.

Cool! Thanks

Freakin HD Earthcam is pointing at dirt, again. I guess having a bracket strong enough to hold it in place is beyond thier capability. It was almost time to move it anyway, as the tower grows I would like to see a camera pointing at the under construction levels, not the base. Does anyone know of a camera that is planned to do this?

Something kind of special happening today, the newest Navy ship was commissioned, which was built with steel from the Twin Towers. Fittingly, the ship is named the USS New York.

21-gun salute for ship built with 9/11 steel


http://msnbcmedia2.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/091102-uss-new-york-hlarge-6a.hlarge.jpg

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NEW YORK - The new Navy assault ship USS New York, built with World Trade Center steel, arrived in its namesake city Monday with a 21-gun salute near the site of the 2001 terrorist attack.

First responders, families of Sept. 11 victims and the public gathered Monday at a waterfront viewing area, where they could see the crew standing at attention along the deck of the battleship gray vessel.

The big ship paused. Then the shots were fired, with a cracking sound, in three bursts.

The bow of the $1 billion ship, built in Louisiana, contains about 7.5 tons of steel from the fallen towers.

"It's a transformation ... from something really twisted and ugly," said Rosaleen Tallon, who lost her firefighter brother, Sean, on 9/11. "I'm proud that our military is using that steel."

Tallon said her brother, who was also was a Marine, would have been proud.

JoAnn Atlas, of Howells, N.Y., who lost her husband, fire Lt. Gregg Atlas, draped a flag-themed banner along the fence. The names of emergency workers who died were written on the red stripes.

"We have to remember. It's a way to honor them," she said.

‘Something else can come of it’
Members of the public included Nancy DiGiacomo, who came from Huntington, N.Y., with her husband, 9-year-old son, mother and sister.

"I just thought it was important to see" the transformation of the tragedy's wreckage, said DiGiacomo. "From that, something else can come of it."

Lt. Cmdr. Colette Murphy, a Navy spokeswoman, said she was excited for those serving on board to see the city's "awe-inspiring" welcome.

Of the 361 sailors serving aboard the ship, around 13 percent are from New York state, which is higher than would normally be the case, Murphy said. There were many requests from Navy personnel to serve on the ship, which will carry some 250 Marines.

After the ground zero stop, the ship — escorted by about two dozen tugboats and other vessels — headed up the Hudson River toward the George Washington Bridge. After a U-turn there, it was to head south to Pier 88. An official commissioning ceremony is scheduled for Saturday.

The New York will remain in the city through Veteran's Day and then head to Norfolk, Va., for about a year of crew training and exercises, Murphy said.

The ship is 684 feet long and can carry as many as 800 Marines. Its flight deck can handle helicopters and the MV-22 Osprey tilt-rotor aircraft.

Long line of ‘New Yorks’
It was scheduled to be built before the terrorist attacks. About a year later, the announcement came that the ship would bear the name New York to honor the city, state, and those who died.

It's the latest in a line of Navy ships to bear that name. The others included a Spanish-American War-era cruiser, a battleship that served in World Wars I and II and a nuclear submarine retired from the fleet in 1997.

The ship is technically known as a San Antonio-class amphibious dock vessel. Four vessels in that class are in service, the USS San Antonio, USS New Orleans, USS Mesa Verde and USS Green Bay. Four others are being built. Of those, two also have been named in connection with the Sept. 11 attacks.

The USS Arlington was named to honor the attack on the Pentagon. The USS Somerset was named after the county in Pennsylvania where United Airlines flight 93 crashed.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33582397/ns/us_news-military/


BBC Footage: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8338597.stm

This is really nice. Is there any other place where steel from Twin Towers is used?

Freakin HD Earthcam is pointing at dirt, again. I guess having a bracket strong enough to hold it in place is beyond thier capability. It was almost time to move it anyway, as the tower grows I would like to see a camera pointing at the under construction levels, not the base. Does anyone know of a camera that is planned to do this?


Im kind of diggin the intense focus on the H&M station demo.. gives a fresh perspective.. hopefully NOT for long though..

As to your question.. The Earthcam is a National 9-11 Memorial project so that is and likely will be the "focus" of the cam pointing.

This is really nice. Is there any other place where steel from Twin Towers is used?

Some of the forked steel from the original WTC facade is going to be on display in the memorial.

Aside from the ship I don't know of any other use.

Went to the site today. Its looking very great! Unfortunate that we may never see the other great towers planned for the space.

From wtcprogress.com (http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/index.html):
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/8797/wtcprogressperimetercom.jpg

^^ wow :applause:

1WTC has some bulk. But it's not the "fattest". 1WTC is 200'x200' at the base. Willis (formerly Sears) Tower is 225'x225' at its base. I'm sure Abraj Al-Bait has some hefty dimensions as well. Willis Tower also beats out in floor space as well. 3.8 million sq ft vs. 2.6 million for 1WTC.

FYI, ICC's biggest floor space is just under 39,000 sq ft.

No, the Sears Tower has 4.56 million sq. ft., with 108 floors.

Each of the old WTC towers had 4.3 million sq ft., with 110 floors. Those buildings held the world record for the most floors until the day they were destroyed.

^^ wow :applause:



No, the Sears Tower has 4.56 million sq. ft., with 108 floors.

Each of the old WTC towers had 4.3 million sq ft., with 110 floors. Those buildings held the world record for the most floors until the day they were destroyed.

You're correct. I was quoting Sears Tower's rentable space (which is 3.8 million).

Unfortunate that we may never see the other great towers planned for the space.

WTF are you talking about? :bash:

Each of the old WTC towers had 4.3 million sq ft., with 110 floors. Those buildings held the world record for the most floors until the day they were destroyed.

And they would have held that record (since October 1970) until February 2007. This is, for over 36 years!

What an amazing mark for the old Twins! :nuts:

WTF are you talking about? :bash:

I think he is talking about WTC2 and WTC3.

YES!!!! now that everything is put together on the bottom it should shoot up quickly right!? does anyone think we will be 200 or 300 feet up by the end of this year maybe

I think he is talking about WTC2 and WTC3.

Yes, but he's presuming those towers won't be built in our lifetime, which is BS.

YES!!!! now that everything is put together on the bottom it should shoot up quickly right!? does anyone think we will be 200 or 300 feet up by the end of this year maybe

My guess is they'll reach the top of the lower podium (which is 186 feet high) by the end of 1Q 2010. After that height, supposedly we're going to see 1WTC move up one floor per week (that's going to be tough IMO).

I think once Fulton street is available and the Vesey street bridge is moved over, they'll have more room to work. That should help on the logistical side and speed things up.

I can't wait for some real progress on this thing. So far the pace of construction just been a huge embarrassment.

I can't wait for some real progress on this thing. So far the pace of construction just been a huge embarrassment.

just like you


Yes, but he's presuming those towers won't be built in our lifetime, which is BS.

If Port Authority will get a site, that 99% will happen. Remember Silverstein only had land right until 2014. I hope for the best although :)

Alright, ENOUGH OF THIS

Those of you that respond to all of the slow progress comments are getting to be just as bad. Just fucking stop it already.

Ground Zero Arts Center: Time Is Not on Its Side

f preparations are not made — and funds are not provided — to lay the foundation for the performing arts center at ground zero within the next four months, the project will not happen.

That at least was the message that Kate D. Levin, the cultural affairs commissioner, delivered in urgent tones at a City Council hearing last week. “There is such a narrow window of opportunity to ensure that the site remains viable,” Ms. Levin told the Committee on Lower Manhattan Redevelopment on Oct. 21. “If we don’t take advantage of this opportunity, we believe it will be lost.”

After years of taking a back seat to other long-delayed development projects at ground zero, the performing arts center has suddenly come to the fore, as both a focus of discussion and a bone of contention. The underground work now being done by the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which owns the World Trade Center site, is expected to reach the location planned for the arts center in about four months.

When it does, if money is not in place to build structural underpinnings suitable for the large-scale project, construction is expected to bypass the site.

The issue is contributing to long-simmering tensions over ground zero between the city and the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation, widely considered a state agency because it is a subsidiary of the Empire State Development Corporation, though its board is composed of both city and state appointees. In the first years after 9/11, Gov. George E. Pataki became the most visible public figure involved in the development of the World Trade Center site, and Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg deferred to him. Recently, though, the city has taken a more assertive role, suggesting that divisions between the city and the corporation — along with other stakeholders, like the Port Authority and the developer Larry A. Silverstein — are likely to escalate.

In this case the city, represented by Ms. Levin, is arguing forcefully for the importance of respecting the original master plan for ground zero, which calls for a performing arts center — the architect Frank Gehry was selected in 2004 to design it — in the area bounded by Fulton, Greenwich, Vesey and Washington Streets. Locating the arts center on the ground zero site “is key to the urbanism of that whole district,” Ms. Levin said at the hearing, and essential to “sewing together the revitalization of this entire area.”

The Lower Manhattan Development Corporation, meanwhile, has been actively pursuing an alternate place for the arts center, south of ground zero: the Deutsche Bank building site at 130 Liberty Street, which the corporation owns and where it believes the arts center can be built much faster and more cheaply.

The work that Ms. Levin is so concerned about — the construction of footings and foundations for the arts center on the Trade Center site — is expected to cost about $40 million, according to the Port Authority, and the authority and the city are depending on about half of that to come from some $50 million over which the corporation has control. That money has yet to be released.

The corporation is now completing a feasibility study that it says will point up many advantages of the Liberty Street site. For one thing, it would provide an existing foundation — that of the Deutsche Bank building — and would mean that the center would not have to be built over a complex grid of train tracks and an emergency car exit ramp.

More important, perhaps, because the temporary World Trade Center PATH station now sits on the planned site for the performing arts center at ground zero, construction at that location could not start until the architect Santiago Calatrava’s permanent station to the south is completed. That will happen sometime in or after 2013, the Port Authority estimates, though others predict that the permanent station won’t be finished until 2016 or later.

Work at 130 Liberty, on the other hand, could begin as soon as 2011, according to the corporation, which recently announced that the much-delayed demolition of the Deutsche Bank building would begin next month and be completed by the end of 2010.

Various downtown officials — like John E. Zuccotti, a board member of the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation and the chairman of Brookfield Properties Corporation, which owns buildings around the Trade Center site — support the idea of moving the arts center.

“I favor the other site,” he said in an interview, speaking of 130 Liberty. “It will ensure that the performing arts center is built and built quickly.”

According to early results of the feasibility study, cost estimates for the project came in at about $300 million for 130 Liberty Street and nearly twice that for the Trade Center site, largely because of the expected escalation in construction costs in coming years.

But city officials say the development corporation has underestimated the complexity and cost of building at the Deutsche Bank site and the time it would take to start construction. “There is a lot of uncertainty about the schedule and cost for the 130 Liberty site, and a number of factors may very well make the site problematic,” Ms. Levin said on Friday. “Major access and design issues haven’t been resolved — the kinds of questions that can’t be answered without significant design time and additional costs.”

more here.....
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/31/arts/design/31zero.html

This is really nice. Is there any other place where steel from Twin Towers is used?

Most of the scrap was shipped off to China so it's probably in all the cheap air conditioners and bicycles etc.

Most of the scrap was shipped off to China so it's probably in all the cheap air conditioners and bicycles etc.

LOL a lot of the "ghost curse" inflicted upon the materials was transferred over there! Just kidding.. :lol::nuts:

Yes, but he's presuming those towers won't be built in our lifetime, which is BS

what if im an old fart and my time's up!?!?

nah you know maybe we'll see them but it really sucks that it might not be for a long time.

Most of the scrap was shipped off to China so it's probably in all the cheap air conditioners and bicycles etc.

Or maybe it's going into Shanghai Tower.....

perimeter jumbo steal are done..:banana:..theres a flag and another banner hanging on the northside

Just checked the webcam a minute ago and it was still pointing down. Accidentally hit the bookmark again and it was up! Weird.

wow first time it didn't take them weeks to fix a cam :lol:

wtf!! Is that a pile of dirt? gravel? stone? south of freedom tower?

BUILD THE WTC 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

November 2nd:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2549/4068499305_cfec592b2c_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/morrongiello/4068499305/sizes/l/

wtf!! Is that a pile of dirt? gravel? stone? south of freedom tower?

I think it's loading test.

Oh really? There's a pic of it 5 posts above yours... :lol:

yea, im not quite that great at spoting whats going on. Remember, im somewhat new at the construction world

wow first time it didn't take them weeks to fix a cam :lol:

wtf!! Is that a pile of dirt? gravel? stone? south of freedom tower?

They are supposed to put down a few feet of dirt and then the final street level pavement on top of that.

I wonder if the dirt is coming directly from the excavation in the East bathtub?

That's a possibility. Looking at the earthcam it seems as if some of the dirt down in the 3WTC site has been dug up.

wtf!! Is that a pile of dirt? gravel? stone? south of freedom tower?

Trees will line Fulton Street. Can trees grow without dirt?

Trees will line Fulton Street. Can trees grow without dirt?

too early for trees there buddy :scouserd:

trees will be last think to go up

when the camera was pointing directly at the H&M demo i noticed them pulling many containers of dark dirt from teh site.

THey were working overnight doing it was well. It is definitely soil for the Fulton Street Base.

They still have a lot of work to do on the roof over the WFC east west Connector/North projection if they are planning on running deliveries through that road.

too early for trees there buddy :scouserd:

trees will be last think to go up

We should see some trees and assorted landscaping work in 2011.

great up date picture....

The construction is taking a long time - I remember looking awhile ago into this thread and the construction back then does not look as dissimilar to now.

Looks like there will be a changing of the guard at the Port Authority, New Jersey Governor Jon Corzine is losing out to the Republican candidate in the New Jersey governor’s election right now.

too early for trees there buddy :scouserd:

trees will be last think to go up

Durr, but some things (like a layer of dirt) have to go into place before any work can continue on top of it, even though the trees themselves won't be planted for years. They've already started working on the tree planters around 1WTC too, even though the trees won't be planted for years.

Durr, but some things (like a layer of dirt) have to go into place before any work can continue on top of it, even though the trees themselves won't be planted for years. They've already started working on the tree planters around 1WTC too, even though the trees won't be planted for years.

Wow you got a "facepalm" award for that post. Stop for a minute and think what you just said.

#2 that dirt have NOTHING to do with trees

#3 of course they poured cement base for trees. Duh

Looks like there will be a changing of the guard at the Port Authority, New Jersey Governor Jon Corzine is losing out to the Republican candidate in the New Jersey governor’s election right now.Not like you might expect. First, the governor of New Jersey takes office on January 20th, so Corzine will remain governor for another two and a half months. Second, the structure of the Port Authority insulates it from the biggest ramifications in state politics. The governors of New York and New Jersey each appoints six commissioners to the PANYNJ board of directors for six year terms. The board of directors then chooses the executive director who manages the Authority's day-to-day operations. Once Christie takes office, he won't get to appoint a commissioner to the Authority board until the six year term of one of the New Jersey commissioners expires. His most immediate influence will come from the governors' ability to veto the votes of the commissioners from their respective states. As governor, if Christie doesn't like how the New Jersey commissioners vote he can overrule them. From a practical standpoint, since the PANYNJ is funded through the revenues of its various operations instead of by the taxpayers and the vast majority of its decisions are practical and not controversial, Christie is unlikely to intervene very often.

here is pretty cool video from wtcprogress

http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/video-gallery.html

Virtual PATH train Ride :)

can someone please tell me how many of those big vertical steel bars around the side they have to install? when will this stage be finished?

wtc looks so change .

can someone please tell me how many of those big vertical steel bars around the side they have to install? when will this stage be finished?

24 and they are all in.

good to see a pic! thanks

What mechanical floor are they on now? And any estimate of when they're going to jump the core next?

how on earth did this design win ? the skyline is gonna look so weak , it just screams " you destroyed our mighty twin towers , so as consolation we built ONE tower the same height as the old ones and put a slightly longer stick on the roof ( this i hate about Bank of america tower , a glass cone that happens to get the title second tallest in nyc cause it has a stick on the roof ) . i might have liked it a little bit if they had put the freedom tower in the middle of the cluster instead of beside it .. but WHY didnt they build new TWIN towers ? i can understand if they dont rebuild them like the old ones as it would be kind of a symbolic dilemma , but didnt like 80 % of the public want them to build TWO towers ? or atleast one tower that is actually taller ( stupid sticks dont count ) has more floors and looks more impressive than the old ones ? im sorry if this is the wrong thread for this , but i was resently in new york and is just stunned over how lame this tower is ..

200 greenich street looks cool though , but i guess thats the reason some people like this project ...

I can't wait until wtc will be build

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Fantastic update, Onn! Thanks for sharing.

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how on earth did this design win ? the skyline is gonna look so weak , it just screams " you destroyed our mighty twin towers , so as consolation we built ONE tower the same height as the old ones and put a slightly longer stick on the roof ( this i hate about Bank of america tower , a glass cone that happens to get the title second tallest in nyc cause it has a stick on the roof ) . i might have liked it a little bit if they had put the freedom tower in the middle of the cluster instead of beside it .. but WHY didnt they build new TWIN towers ? i can understand if they dont rebuild them like the old ones as it would be kind of a symbolic dilemma , but didnt like 80 % of the public want them to build TWO towers ? or atleast one tower that is actually taller ( stupid sticks dont count ) has more floors and looks more impressive than the old ones ? im sorry if this is the wrong thread for this , but i was resently in new york and is just stunned over how lame this tower is ..

200 greenich street looks cool though , but i guess thats the reason some people like this project ...

probably has something to do with Yorkers being a bit proud, financial problems, and wanting SOME symbolism in the hieght. To me, they look a little symbolic, like stairs climbing

lovely up date picture....

Fantastic update! Thank you!

imagine if they had made it twist like the infinity tower instead of the way it does because it expresses more of the box shape, but had done it with origional wtc cladding..........now that would have been a nod to the old towers without having to rebuild them the same.

can't see the photo's from onn

Maybe somebody who saved the pictures can upload them again to a different host.

Good progress btw.

This project is one of my favorite in the world and I can wait when I see it of my own eye's.

Lovely to hear that,Weston80!

I can't see them either...wonder what happened?

I can't see them either...wonder what happened?The links are probably the causes of the problem.

No, the text on the current pictures tell what's wrong.

No, the text on the current pictures tell what's wrong.OIC! I think we are saying thesame thing.The links say ''upgrade to pro''.

A lot of new steel ready on the east side of the tower...:)

A lot of new steel ready on the east side of the tower...:)Nice to know there are new steel coming in. I would love to see some photos.

Nice to know there are new steel coming in. I would love to see some photos.

http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/7554/bezimenae.png

Wow, it's going to be nearly unrecognizable a year from now.

Great process! It is seen like Freedom Tower is little skinner than old twin towers.

thanks for pics look cool

Looks like there is some major work getting done today. :)

Let me see about the pictures too, hang on.

imagine if they had made it twist like the infinity tower instead of the way it does because it expresses more of the box shape, but had done it with origional wtc cladding..........now that would have been a nod to the old towers without having to rebuild them the same.

Very interesting idea!

The problem with Onn's photos its simble: the "bandwidth exceeded" problem its temporary; Onn check your e-mail from photobucket...

EarthCam its working or not?

Alright, here we go! Once again! Sorry about that, I uploaded them to Flicker!

Canadate, SSP, November 4th:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2546/4077737841_4605b9dbe0_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2753/4077754443_d0efbbb7fd_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3518/4078508220_0da8aa31ca_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2446/4078508384_20c8f22f0b_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2558/4078508548_1d61cccb9d_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3169/4077755067_2001ff142e_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3553/4078508964_3bcdc06246_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2660/4078509352_c3fbbabfbf_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3525/4078509170_92ac76f11f_o.jpg

thanks Onn

Part 2

Canadate, Nov. 4th:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3520/4077798381_d12c1f13c8_o.jpg

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http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2552/4077796989_23eb4c73ab_o.jpg

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http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3502/4077797375_31a85e657a_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3507/4078552142_9fba153c66_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2584/4077796873_0782c9ec0a_o.jpg

Just Started a job at 1 Liberty Pl, on the 22nd floor. So I figured I'd take a few pix on my camera, come to find out my camera is in North Carolina from the last time I visited Charlotte, sitting in my freaking car. So here are blackberry pix
http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs097.snc3/16456_596097154757_39600607_35123946_7429415_n.jpg

http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs117.snc3/16456_596096900267_39600607_35123915_1771847_n.jpg

http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs117.snc3/16456_596096665737_39600607_35123884_876092_n.jpg

I am always amazed by the scale of the massive footprints of WTC. Its amazing to see people working on it from 1 Liberty. I wish I could have been lucky enough to gaze upon the real things from my window instead of this big hole in the ground :-(.

Yet another angle! Thanx for posting them and keep 'em coming!

Here in the night views the 1wtc is gaining its namesake

Note all the colors: Red, White and Blue

lights in the stairwell appear like the stars on the flag

With the red columns and white lights then we have the picture

:cheers:

I noticed that the equipments and materials being used on the construction seems different. The cranes are well-painted so as the the steel bars and everything else. The construction seems to be special. I know this is a very significant building but does the construction must be special?

I am not surprise if the construction workers, contractors and engineers are special too. They are probably the best the world can offer or relatives / friends of the victims.

I am hoping at the end this will be significant to all New Yorkers and to all the people around the world especially to the victims of the strategy.

great up date....

looks like the main floors are gonna start going up soon if im correct?

^^
No, the base is not even half its height yet.

^^
No, the base is not even half its height yet.

Right now their a little over halfway. The base height is 186 ft, 8 in (currently 105 ft).

http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/3726/lowerpodium.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2649/4079418644_71df8ee067_b.jpg

Uploaded on November 5, 2009 by Superrad_

We need to put Candate on retainer. Those are the best set of pictures I've seen on this beast.

great up date....

Yeah... but progress????

Burj Dubai and 1 WTC started around same time, yeah ha ha:storm:

Looks like the next level of core steel is up on the 'roof' ready to install around the tower cranes. This will mark the first jump in height in a long time! Exciting!

Of course I could be wrong, and it's just more connecting beams for the current top level. We are so close to seeing significant upward progress....

I noticed that the equipments and materials being used on the construction seems different. The cranes are well-painted so as the the steel bars and everything else. The construction seems to be special. I know this is a very significant building but does the construction must be special?

I am not surprise if the construction workers, contractors and engineers are special too. They are probably the best the world can offer or relatives / friends of the victims.

I am hoping at the end this will be significant to all New Yorkers and to all the people around the world especially to the victims of the strategy.

The 2 big crawlers are both brand new so the paint is still nice and shiny.

Burj Dubai and 1 WTC started around same time, yeah ha ha:storm:

downtown NYC vs...middle of the desset dubai...hmmmm..

downtown NYC vs...middle of the desset dubai...hmmmm..

Yes, I agree that is probably easier to build in a dry, open area, then in the middle of downtown New York City, but the progress is kinda slow here. I have a picture of the construction progress from back in February and I'm looking at the recent ones, and it has only moved up a few floors and widened a bit. That is not commensurate with 9 months worth of time. Even on a difficult site. :ohno:

1WTC is a government office building. Their is no incentive for it to be completed quickly. At least not in the eyes of those in charge of building it. It gets done when it gets done.

Looks like the next level of core steel is up on the 'roof' ready to install around the tower cranes. This will mark the first jump in height in a long time! Exciting!

Of course I could be wrong, and it's just more connecting beams for the current top level. We are so close to seeing significant upward progress....

You are correct. Over at wirednewyork they have pictures of the new steel for the next level of the core.

1WTC is a government office building. Their is no incentive for it to be completed quickly. At least not in the eyes of those in charge of building it. It gets done when it gets done.

1WTC is not a government office building.

Core steel going up! 1WTC has officially gained height!

Right now their a little over halfway. The base height is 186 ft, 8 in (currently 105 ft).

http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/3726/lowerpodium.jpg

Not all the way around the tower yet though. It’s really close, but I'll stand corrected.

GreenwichBoy, Wired New York:
http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7838&d=1257519781

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7837&d=1257519768

^^ Freakin' awesome!

I didn't think they'd go higher until they filled out all the floors.

^^ So did I, but you can see this more often, in other projects as well.

GreenwichBoy, Wired New York:
http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7838&d=1257519781

Do you know what is the status of the concrete in the cores? When they will start concrete those higher columns (of the core)?

anything big supposed to happen today does anyone know hopefully some more steel and core steel will go up

Very likely. There is a lot of steel laying around on the last floor ready to go out.

are those a couple of 'mobile-mini' office trailers on the third floor I see?

a huge bed of red steel just went by my office building! and before that another load of a very large load actually of the silver steel i think for the memorial!

GreenwichBoy again, she's goin up! :banana:

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7840&d=1257607965

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7841&d=1257607981

That's sooo awesome!!! That is really exciting! Thanks for the great updates! :)

Fantastic to see the building rise.
Dance :banana::carrot::pepper::lock::cucumber::banana2:

w00t :) great pics :)

is there any hope at all that they will scrap this project and build the twin towers 2 ? cause they seem to still try to get it built although im afraid the current plans with the freedom tower design may have gone to far to stop already :(

is there a thread about donald trumps Twin Towers II proposal ? if so , please link

Very nice progress! This building has become so big since last year, its simply amazing!

Some parts of the recently added core steel was already laying around on the west plaza during last week. But I did not expect them to be put up very soon.

It would be interesting to know if they are adding steel for only 2 levels or even more? Does anyone know this?




@Huskies
The chances of the Trump proposal being built are around 0%!
Maybe he is getting a chance if WTC2 and 3 are getting cancelled completely... But WTC1 aka Freedom Tower will definitely be finished!

November 6th:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2615/4080976388_23357e762d_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/morrongiello/4080976388/sizes/l/

wow so fast

Yes, it's gonna grow at a much faster pace now that the structural elements of first few floors are mostly in place.

2010 is going to be the year we Americans get our confidence back.

^^^^ Yes, I agree!

how tall does everyone think this will be this time next year? Just to see some opinions do you think 2 and 3 will be started and 4 be rising

imagine if they had made it twist like the infinity tower instead of the way it does because it expresses more of the box shape, but had done it with origional wtc cladding..........now that would have been a nod to the old towers without having to rebuild them the same.

Not sure if you realise how much substance your opinion has? But it is a good statement. A twisting tower would express freedom in its conceptual form were as the current design shows little of a conceptual idea. The Liberskind proposal for the memorial garden signifies what this site is about 100 times more than the U/C tower.

IMO

how tall does everyone think this will be this time next year? Just to see some opinions do you think 2 and 3 will be started and 4 be rising

I'd say around 40 stories high by the end of 2010. Maybe even 50. If Silverstein wins his arbitration case against the PA, which is likely, he'll probably start one of his other towers. Lowermanhattan.info reports 2WTC is all set to go and 3WTC as "financial/construction negotiations are underway." But since both towers support the Calatrava hub structurally and utility wise, I'd assume both will see some construction occuring. Also the VSC ramps snake thru those sites as well.

Not sure if you realise how much substance your opinion has? But it is a good statement. A twisting tower would express freedom in its conceptual form were as the current design shows little of a conceptual idea. The Liberskind proposal for the memorial garden signifies what this site is about 100 times more than the U/C tower.

IMO

This site isn't supposed to signify freedom. It's about world trade.

how tall does everyone think this will be this time next year? Just to see some opinions do you think 2 and 3 will be started and 4 be rising

By the first week of November 2010, 1WTC will be on the 51st floor. By the end of 2010, it'll be on the 58th floor, and by the end of September 2011 it'll be on the 96th floor. (Going by the Port Authority's October 2008 report and assuming a floor a week rate once the base is completed, which should be done by the end of March 2010.)

BTW, the groundbreaking for the United Flight 93 permanent memorial in Shanksville happened at noon today. Has anybody been able to find any photos or video of the event?

Not sure if you realise how much substance your opinion has? But it is a good statement. A twisting tower would express freedom in its conceptual form were as the current design shows little of a conceptual idea. The Liberskind proposal for the memorial garden signifies what this site is about 100 times more than the U/C tower.

IMO

I was talking about the tower alone meaning the memorial would still be there. I liked the origional cladding better because it was more unique than the new one which is just glass like most other new buildings. Would have been nice if they had used it in some way in the design.

I was talking about the tower alone meaning the memorial would still be there. I liked the origional cladding better because it was more unique than the new one which is just glass like most other new buildings. Would have been nice if they had used it in some way in the design.

They did incorporate a part of the old cladding:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v423/meh_cd/wtc/NEW%20wtc/09freedom-650-1.jpg

^^
Is that mockup cladding blue or green? The renders show blue, but it looks more green to me. Does anyone know for sure?

how tall does everyone think this will be this time next year? Just to see some opinions do you think 2 and 3 will be started and 4 be rising
There going take it apart and start it again no I'm just kidding. I don't know maybe 40 stories or so.

November 6th:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2615/4080976388_23357e762d_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/morrongiello/4080976388/sizes/l/

AT LAST! At last!

Its growing... Jezus we have waited for a long time!!!


:banana: :banana: :banana:


Now we can enjoy the ride!


:) :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :)

^^
Is that mockup cladding blue or green? The renders show blue, but it looks more green to me. Does anyone know for sure?

I think it depends on the amount and angle of the daylight...
Sometimes will be more blue, sometimes more green...

how tall does everyone think this will be this time next year? Just to see some opinions do you think 2 and 3 will be started and 4 be risingNext year is likely going to be the time for the economic recovery, so if things go well we might be seeing the second coming along rapidly.

America is already out of recession. Recovery is here. It can only be a good thing!

America is already out of recession. Recovery is here. It can only be a good thing!Unemployment just hit 10.2%.Final economic recovery is on the way.

Yes, I agree that is probably easier to build in a dry, open area, then in the middle of downtown New York City, but the progress is kinda slow here. I have a picture of the construction progress from back in February and I'm looking at the recent ones, and it has only moved up a few floors and widened a bit. That is not commensurate with 9 months worth of time. Even on a difficult site. :ohno:

Stop lying yourself, what's so hard about admiting that this is the "slowest building" tower in the world. Nice, you have a 30m tower and it has been above ground level for 2 years now, becouse i went to NYC for the first time in May 2008, and it was above ground level if a remember correctly.

i've been to more times to see this massive dissapointment, all i want is to know the true cause of the slow progress, no more lies, why is the building taking so long.

should look amazing when finished!

Stop lying yourself, what's so hard about admiting that this is the "slowest building" tower in the world. Nice, you have a 30m tower and it has been above ground level for 2 years now, becouse i went to NYC for the first time in May 2008, and it was above ground level if a remember correctly.

i've been to more times to see this massive dissapointment, all i want is to know the true cause of the slow progress, no more lies, why is the building taking so long.

May 2008:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v423/meh_cd/wtc/NEW%20wtc/14_37_wtc-site-may-2008.jpg

October 2009:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v423/meh_cd/wtc/NEW%20wtc/14_37_2009_10_01-Overview.jpg

Tell me more about how there is no progress.

weather forecast for this next week of construction is good except for tuesday (cloudy) and wednesday rainy but its veterans day they more than likely wont work but next week looks rainy

America is already out of recession. Recovery is here. It can only be a good thing!

Exactly! I hope that all these projects that were downsized or put on hold or are making really slow progress can start up again, and more supertall proposals, such as the Chicago Spire, Signature Tower Nashville, etc.

Stop lying yourself, what's so hard about admiting that this is the "slowest building" tower in the world. Nice, you have a 30m tower and it has been above ground level for 2 years now, becouse i went to NYC for the first time in May 2008, and it was above ground level if a remember correctly.

i've been to more times to see this massive dissapointment, all i want is to know the true cause of the slow progress, no more lies, why is the building taking so long.
Where did you dug out that quote? No one is interested in your comments. Look at the pics and be quiet.

Where did you dug out that quote? No one is interested in your comments. Look at the pics and be quiet.

or even better:

"Elmas" > View Profile > User List > Add to Ignore list and let him talk to himself :lol:

Pardon my ignorance, but can someone tell me why there is no activity to the south of 4WTC? On the left of that picture?

Pardon my ignorance, but can someone tell me why there is no activity to the south of 4WTC? On the left of that picture?

That's where 2 and 3WTC will be built, and they're both on hold for the time being.

November 7, it's about 135 ft/41 M now, it should be 200 ft/61 M by December.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2799/4083362594_2a92cbc0cd_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2705/4082592095_c14811a1be_b.jpg

freedomtower (http://www.flickr.com/photos/43913970@N04/)

Just looking at the whole site overall you can really see a lot of progress made over the last twelve months. 1WTC filling out, the memorial pools taking shape, the last steel in the SW corner, formworks going up on 4WTC, Deutsche building demo resuming.

The only shame is it took so long for it to happen. 2003-2006 were lost years.

Pardon my ignorance, but can someone tell me why there is no activity to the south of 4WTC? On the left of that picture?
The only activity south of 4WTC is people eating at a Chinese restaurant, a Burger King and a pizza place. That isn't a construction zone.

your ight njc
current height is 42m, next height is 50m, then 61m.
after that its typical floors

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2524/4087894964_ef03b2dd15_o.jpg

May 2008:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v423/meh_cd/wtc/NEW%20wtc/14_37_wtc-site-may-2008.jpg

October 2009:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v423/meh_cd/wtc/NEW%20wtc/14_37_2009_10_01-Overview.jpg

Tell me more about how there is no progress.

is that steel colums on the future road i see?

Burj Dubai and 1 WTC started around same time, yeah ha ha:storm:

Also Burj does not have to build a huge bath tub to to hold back all the trash and in fill that was used to increase land space in New York City

your ight njc
current height is 42m, next height is 50m, then 61m.
after that its typical floors

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2524/4087894964_ef03b2dd15_o.jpg

beautiful, thanks for the diagram cul!

Burj Dubai and 1 WTC started around same time, yeah ha ha:storm:

Comparing construction timelines in Dubai and NYC is obviously pretty pointless - Dubai is essentially a planning dictatorship with the heavy construction conducted by a "slave" labour force paid peanuts while NYC is subject to the normal planning and construction rules which apply in democratic, open and modern societies.

1 WTC is clearly getting there. It's a difficult site and the building design is very complex. Once they get the tricky base constructed, it will climb very quickly. The workers are doing a great job. :)

Comparing construction timelines in Dubai and NYC is obviously pretty pointless - Dubai is essentially a planning dictatorship with the heavy construction conducted by a "slave" labour force paid peanuts while NYC is subject to the normal planning and construction rules which apply in democratic, open and modern societies.

1 WTC is clearly getting there. It's a difficult site and the building design is very complex. Once they get the tricky base constructed, it will climb very quickly. The workers are doing a great job. :)


Burj Dubai, like 1 WTC is a complex engineering project that just wasn't hung up in years of bickering between all the different entities involved, not to mention litigation with insurance companies and redesigns. if you factor out all the noise, both developments will have taken roughly the same time to construct.

Where did you dug out that quote? No one is interested in your comments. Look at the pics and be quiet.

Who are you to say that? What wrong with him posting his comments? You can say anything you want about this building. All of you get so defensive if anybody even hints that this might be slow.:bash:

Yeah, this building is slow, but did you bother to read the schedule for each phase of this building? If you pay attention to this thread, you would realize that nothing photographically pleasing was going to happen just because we want it to go faster.Things are picking up now, but I believe that when the base is done, this will move as fast as beekman or any other NY project! Things are going the way they said, just wait!

Port Authority 3Q2009 (July - September) Report released:
http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/img/annual-report-cover.png (http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/pdf/3Q2009_Report.pdf)

Nothing big happening today such a great day and they havent done much of anything which sucks! SO does anybody know anything supposed to or predict is going to happen this week

Port Authority 3Q2009 (July - September) Report released:
http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/img/annual-report-cover.png (http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/pdf/3Q2009_Report.pdf)

if u flick through this 'short' report, many things have been completed. seems to me that most people (including me in the beginning) are not aware how complex this construction actually is! of course the PA made (and still doing) many mistakes in the past few years and of course the construction is incredibly slow BUT at least there is progress.

Nothing big happening today such a great day and they havent done much of anything which sucks! SO does anybody know anything supposed to or predict is going to happen this week

As I can see, steel is goin' up all the time on the south and north side of the tower...:) Outer layer...
So floors are next to build on those sides...

As I can see, steel is goin' up all the time on the south and north side of the tower...:) Outer layer...
So floors are next to build on those sides...

well i thought they would put more steel up for the core?! will they work on veterans day

well i thought they would put more steel up for the core?! will they work on veterans day

Most holidays there is no work done.

Also, started reading the PA's latest report, here's a quote,

"...These columns are critical to have in place in order for 1WTC to reach the 20th floor-equivalent level during the first quarter of next year..."

GreenwichBoy, Nov 8th
http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7849&d=1257743314

http://www.flickr.com/photos/43913970@N04/4090732098/
Pic from today

I couldnt get the photo to come up all it would show was x's so heres the link

RoldanTTLB, SSP, Nov 9th
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_3T08TVQ0h2g/Svhbk_Ia2SI/AAAAAAAADqc/T57lFx-CXi4/s800/IMG_0017.JPG

Construction has really been picking up the pace lately... there's new stuff each day! :banana:

i cant wait to see the base done on this magnificent creature

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/19/101989794_ac81c77933.jpg

The new complex needs the other towers (2/3) built in order to fill the void left by the twins, tower 1 will not be adequate enough. As much as I like tower 4 it still does not bridge the gap left. Towers 2 and 3 have the best designs, what a waste if they are downsized.

*It seems construction has picked up a notch on tower 1 though.

Hey, hey, no need to get offended by the pace of the construction. Now that it started for real, it's gonna be completed in due time, which will not be too slow. I ensure you, from an American mind-set. Yes, it took a while to actually start building this thing, but it will not be "too slow" as this thing gets completed.

If you want to understand the meaning of "slow", look at North Korea's Pyongyang building. This building would have broken so many records (square footage, etc..) but it still has not yet been completed to date!

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/19/101989794_ac81c77933.jpg

The new complex needs the other towers (2/3) built in order to fill the void left by the twins, tower 1 will not be adequate enough. As much as I like tower 4 it still does not bridge the gap left. Towers 2 and 3 have the best designs, what a waste if they are downsized.

*It seems construction has picked up a notch on tower 1 though.

Downsized? Hmm, I do not think so.. I think those buildings are tall enough in that they would still stand out and look great in downtown!

Downsized? Hmm, I do not think so.. I think those buildings are tall enough in that they would still stand out and look great in downtown!

yea, yorkers would get pissed if they tried and they'd abandon that attempt :P

nice! new floors :)

The new complex needs the other towers (2/3) built in order to fill the void left by the twins, tower 1 will not be adequate enough. As much as I like tower 4 it still does not bridge the gap left. Towers 2 and 3 have the best designs, what a waste if they are downsized.

*It seems construction has picked up a notch on tower 1 though.

When did anyone say the other towers would be downsized? That's news to me, and I check this forum more than once a day.

http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/pdf/3Q2009_Report.pdf
•Steel Erection Complete – 20th Floor
By the 1st Quarter of 2010, steel erection should reach the 20th floor level. It is at this level – above the reinforced base of 1WTC – that the construction of the typical floor sections begin.

•West Street – Water, Sewer and Fire Services Complete
These represent the connection of major utility services to One World Trade Center, which will provide the building with domestic water, water for the sprinkler system, and connection to the City’s sewer system.

•Concrete Core & Slabs Complete – 3rd Floor
The Concrete Contractor will complete this core work, having waited for the Steel Contractor to advance work enough to create an appropriate lag. The concrete core and slab placement for the 3rd floor will occur once the steel installation is sufficiently ahead in order to ensure uninterrupted work.

wow what an amazing project! The base of this tower is so intricate I cant wait to see it in person once its done. Too bad 2 and 3 are on hold though; it would be crazy to multiple supertalls being constructed in lower Manhattan at the same time.

wow so does anyone think the west side will catch up with the east this week or do you think they will stay

keep in mind this scraper has to be one of the safest in the world, the foundation and base is a very important part!

wow so does anyone think the west side will catch up with the east this week or do you think they will stay

I think it'll take longer than that (there's still a lot of steel yet to go in on the west street side). Maybe by the end of the month.

wow so does anyone think the west side will catch up with the east this week or do you think they will stay

yes it will, i have no doubt in that. Weather should stay pretty nice except late Wednesday/Thursday ( windy gusts up to 21mph, we can expect nothing to get done that day)

From what i add up together they should have the base up by january 15-31st which means by the end of the year it should be around 50 to 60 floors up and by august or september of 2011 it should be up to the top

3 very large truck loads of steel are coming in 1 of red steel to freedom tower and huge beams into the memorial and another one for core steel im thinking for the freedom tower

From what i add up together they should have the base up by january 15-31st which means by the end of the year it should be around 50 to 60 floors up and by august or september of 2011 it should be up to the top

Just walked to the conference room so I could take some time to observe whats being worked on today. It seems to me that there are at least 50 people on the Freedom Tower this morning, the most ive seen in the two weeks I've been working at liberty plaza. I however haven't been able to locate the large truck load of steel people have been referring to. There is a lot of action going on bringing this whole project to ground level, and maybe even closing off the southernmost void. Any info people want from above?

El diseño de las Twin towers era superior. Estos proyecto nuevo, es uno más en el mundo.
Saludos

Just walked to the conference room so I could take some time to observe whats being worked on today. It seems to me that there are at least 50 people on the Freedom Tower this morning, the most ive seen in the two weeks I've been working at liberty plaza. I however haven't been able to locate the large truck load of steel people have been referring to. There is a lot of action going on bringing this whole project to ground level, and maybe even closing off the southernmost void. Any info people want from above?

Someone said yesterday that all of the concrete for the lobby of 4WTC is now fully poured. Can you confirm this? It's impossible to tell from the webcam since it's pointed mainly at the memorial and 1WTC and only one little corner of 4WTC is in the frame.

Also, would you mind taking some pics of the site please??? You should have a perfect view of 4WTC from that building (i'm hugely jealous, btw).

Someone said yesterday that all of the concrete for the lobby of 4WTC is now fully poured. Can you confirm this? It's impossible to tell from the webcam since it's pointed mainly at the memorial and 1WTC and only one little corner of 4WTC is in the frame.

Also, would you mind taking some pics of the site please??? You should have a perfect view of 4WTC from that building (i'm hugely jealous, btw).

Try this one:
http://rebuildgroundzero.org/webcam/rgz_000.jpg

Thanks for the update. :cheers:

Wow they added quite a lot of steel around the core today. Floors 2-5 seem to be about 60-70% completed!

Yeah, the steel is just flying up today! :)

http://www.earthcam.com/clients/groundzero/groundZero.swf

RoldanTTLB, Nov. 11, Wired New York:
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_3T08TVQ0h2g/Svmphgc7TrI/AAAAAAAADrA/Cuqt2Hp4dl8/s1600/IMG_0027.JPG

wow the pace is fast now

http://img526.imageshack.us/i/1110y.jpg

Progress is amazing even for just a day. But I guess the weather is fantastic here. :)

finally..sorry this is my first time posting an image but this is as of 2:20 central

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/7295/1110x.jpg

Someone said yesterday that all of the concrete for the lobby of 4WTC is now fully poured. Can you confirm this? It's impossible to tell from the webcam since it's pointed mainly at the memorial and 1WTC and only one little corner of 4WTC is in the frame.

Also, would you mind taking some pics of the site please??? You should have a perfect view of 4WTC from that building (i'm hugely jealous, btw).

I can confirm that the lobby of 4WTC is fully poured.

I have a question, i have been searching for a thread for the 123 Washington St. project and finally found a thread and noticed it was archived. I have been watching the construction for sometime now and it seems that the is nobody at all onsite working. The construction elevators are not moving and the top 5 floors have sat unclad for 2 weeks now. Anyone have some updates for me?

WOW LOTS OF PROGRESS

bbtran and westmc, you're probably both new here so I'll cut you some slack, but those are just pictures from hours ago on the webcam, which most of us here already watch very frequently.