Someone said yesterday that all of the concrete for the lobby of 4WTC is now fully poured. Can you confirm this? It's impossible to tell from the webcam since it's pointed mainly at the memorial and 1WTC and only one little corner of 4WTC is in the frame.

Also, would you mind taking some pics of the site please??? You should have a perfect view of 4WTC from that building (i'm hugely jealous, btw).

I can confirm that the lobby of 4WTC is fully poured.

I have a question, i have been searching for a thread for the 123 Washington St. project and finally found a thread and noticed it was archived. I have been watching the construction for sometime now and it seems that the is nobody at all onsite working. The construction elevators are not moving and the top 5 floors have sat unclad for 2 weeks now. Anyone have some updates for me?

WOW LOTS OF PROGRESS

bbtran and westmc, you're probably both new here so I'll cut you some slack, but those are just pictures from hours ago on the webcam, which most of us here already watch very frequently.

Some new pics from the museum. This is the ramp that leads from the visitor center (pavillion) on an incline westward all the way to the overhang above the "great hall", then it circles all the way back eastward to the Survivor's Staircase...

http://www.national911memorial.org/images/content/pagebuilder/197324.jpg

The coolest part of the museum, in my opinion, is going to be the area around the footprints of the towers, like to the right in this pic (not my pic). Also, there's about 4 inches of concrete from the lowest basement level of the original Twin Towers under those plywood boards. So it's not just the steel column foundations that are going to be visible, but the original concrete around them as well. :)

http://www.national911memorial.org/images/content/pagebuilder/197330.jpg

bbtran and westmc, you're probably both new here so I'll cut you some slack, but those are just pictures from hours ago on the webcam, which most of us here already watch very frequently.

RKO, not all of us watch the webcams so thank you and keep them coming bbtran and westmc.


"you're probably both new here so I'll cut you some slack?" Seriously? How very generous of you! Is everybody feeling the love?

RKO, not all of us watch the webcams so thank you and keep them coming bbtran and westmc.So the thread should be clogged up with image caps because some of us can't be bothered to bookmark the EarthCam? Seriously, here's a link to it: http://www.national911memorial.org/site/PageServer?pagename=New_Visit_EarthCam Bookmark it. See what bbtran, westmc and the rest of us get to see 24/7.:)"you're probably both new here so I'll cut you some slack?" Seriously? How very generous of you! Is everybody feeling the love?I thought he was being very polite. No need for the caustic sarcasm.

Yeah, I can hardly work my way through this thread with all those thousands of screenshots clogging it up. RKOwens44 should unleash the whole of his wrath with no mercy for such an unspeakably grave offense.

Finally it looks that it is rising.

finally..sorry this is my first time posting an image but this is as of 2:20 central

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/7295/1110x.jpg

I've been watching this since February of 2008 and I have to say, this project Is getting more and more exiting to watch everyday now. :banana:

So the thread should be clogged up with image caps because some of us can't be bothered to bookmark the EarthCam? Seriously, here's a link to it: http://www.national911memorial.org/site/PageServer?pagename=New_Visit_EarthCam Bookmark it. See what bbtran, westmc and the rest of us get to see 24/7.:)I thought he was being very polite. No need for the caustic sarcasm.

Can't be bothered to bookmark? Your assumption, Einstein. Ever consider that there may be a different reason why some of us may not be able to access the cam? Maybe work-related software issues?

Yeah, I can hardly work my way through this thread with all those thousands of screenshots clogging it up. RKOwens44 should unleash the whole of his wrath with no mercy for such an unspeakably grave offense.

To drone's point, the cam shots only wind up being posted here and there. Relax.

Unspeakable grave offense ... NICE!

...like me, for example. I usually read the thread after dark, so daylight shots from the cam are appreciated!

wow my o my i thought that there would be no work done today (veterans day) but i see construction workers

looks like they will start new floor of exterior columns today on east side

:nuts::nuts::nuts::nuts::banana::banana::banana:looks like they will start new floor of exterior columns today on east side

yea lots of red steel was delievered this morning im excited

Question: Will the 'red' steel be in any way visible when the tower base has cladding? The renders show that you can see the columns through the glass, but they are white. I think it would be a cool effect to have red, white and blue incorporated in the Freedom Tower design, beams or lighting...

just checked the weather, yikes, we might not see any new columns today and tomorrow :ohno: I'll cross my fingers

just checked the weather, yikes, we might not see any new columns today and tomorrow :ohno: I'll cross my fingers

check the webcam out they are placing some more columns up!

Originally Posted by RKOwens44
bbtran and westmc, you're probably both new here so I'll cut you some slack, but those are just pictures from hours ago on the webcam, which most of us here already watch very frequently.

you are pretty new your self...i have been watching and following freedom tower since the last thread was up and deleted..not everyone has the link to earthcam or anyother cam so i don't see anything wrong with other members posting up cam pics..

Originally Posted by droneriot View Post
Yeah, I can hardly work my way through this thread with all those thousands of screenshots clogging it up. RKOwens44 should unleash the whole of his wrath with no mercy for such an unspeakably grave offense.

so your saying that members that have been posting up cam shots to update everyone since 2007 should stop..wow..please listen to yourself first

Thanks for posting a screen shot. I like seeing the progress! It also creates a dated reference during the construction which is pretty cool to look back through!

(If you don't like it turn up the scroll speed on your mouse and get over it)

Can't be bothered to bookmark? Your assumption, Einstein. Ever consider that there may be a different reason why some of us may not be able to access the cam? Maybe work-related software issues?Why the attitude? And what work blocks JPEG images (http://archives.earthcam.com/archives5/ecnetwork/us/ny/nyc/gzmpr/gzrobotic1.jpg)?...like me, for example. I usually read the thread after dark, so daylight shots from the cam are appreciated!Now this argument makes sense. I can see how people who aren't around during NYC's diminishing number of daylight hours would be missing out, since the new version of EarthCam doesn't provide archives like the old, superior version did.

Why the attitude? And what work blocks JPEG images (http://archives.earthcam.com/archives5/ecnetwork/us/ny/nyc/gzmpr/gzrobotic1.jpg)?Now this argument makes sense. I can see how people who aren't around during NYC's diminishing number of daylight hours would be missing out, since the new version of EarthCam doesn't provide archives like the old, superior version did.

#1 work filter do block imageshack/photobucket.. etcc providers. My work has strict websence filters installed, I cant even view CAM because flash/java is not installed. Also many other domains also blocked...

on other side

I find it annoying too when I scroll and find damn webcam images all over page, 1 per day is enough. Also with tower above the ground we usually find real photos if it here everyday.

#3. I find it depressing that people here arguing about issues like this. This is just sad!!! This is exactly why I enjoy Wirednewyork more.

now can we please get back to CONSTRUCTION topic....

The perimeter columns on the east are already at the same level as the new core steel, which has been added recently. And the ones on the west for levels 3-5 are going up too!

I also noticed that they did not complete the cores, they only added core steel to the east side of the core, to be able to continue with new perimeter columns on the east. I think they are trying to catch up on the west now.

They are hauling ass with steel today.

They are hauling ass with steel today.

someone put a rocket up their @$$ :lol:

Jeeesus, there seem to be about 10 new columns since I checked it last time, which was about 2-3 hours ago. Did they hire some of the Skytree staff?

One big red beam of floor 7 is already installed in the southeast corner!!!

now can we please get back to CONSTRUCTION topic....Fair enough. Sorry for the diversion.

Wow this is going really fast! :banana: :cheers:

All right everyone sorry if i made anyone mad but come on they are just pics if you dont wanna see them scroll on through:banana::banana::banana::banana:

This is what happened today look for it in the pics

* New steel lifted on the south, east and west sides
* connected the first steel to the elevated core
* New steel on the memorial

freedom tower close up
]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2570/4095676297_45eb443472_o.jpg

full site
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2708/4095654523_dffe56255f.jpg


well heres the link
http://www.flickr.com/photos/43913970@N04/4095676297/?eOrig=4095654523

^^ Do not worry about that. You can continue post new pictures of Freedom Tower construction updates here. I always enjoy to see new pictures of it. Keep it up! :cheers:

^^ Do not worry about that. You can continue post new pictures of Freedom Tower construction updates here. I always enjoy to see new pictures of it. Keep it up! :cheers:

thanks this thing is getting so excited

Jeeesus, there seem to be about 10 new columns since I checked it last time, which was about 2-3 hours ago. Did they hire some of the Skytree staff?

One big red beam of floor 7 is already installed in the southeast corner!!!

The Louver wall steel goes up fast, in fact conventional bolted structural steel goes up fast. A good crew can throw up 40 beams a day (in a conventional building). With 4 cranes and 4 crews one can throw up alot of steel in a shift!

It's the 7th level but it's the 5th floor. The 4th and 6th levels are partial floors, mechanical mezzanines labeled 3M and 4M repectivly.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2570/4095676297_45eb443472_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2708/4095654523_dffe56255f.jpg

im hopeful a lot of work will happen tomorrow

Man, that was as much steel put up in one day as we've seen them put in an entire month (or months). :cheers:

:cheers:

November 11th:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2769/4096168046_b9a05de480_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/morrongiello/4096168046/sizes/l/

...the world's biggest erector set!:banana:

:banana:brand new red steeldelievered i think 2large pieces and alot of inside tier steel:)

Wind:From NE at 24 mph
gusting to 35 mph

no work today except some unloading

November 11th:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2769/4096168046_b9a05de480_b.jpg

Really good progress on Freedom tower at those last few days; soon enouph more and more floors will be constructed...

Here's a nice shot of the Calatrava arches from the broadsheet daily email.

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/1633/dsc5852wtcconnectorpass.jpg

Photo: Terese Loeb Kreuzer

Nice looks like your in a whale ore something love it

Looking good, that underground complex is quite large.

Slow day around these parts... hunh?

^^
Too windy/rainy

Not supposed to be nice out until Sunday. Damn storms. :[

well it should be partly sunny on staurday maybe if were lucky will they do anything on SUNDay.

Today:

1 world trade center: nothing much
memorial: North pool concrete poured

Out of all the supertall skyscrapers under construction, this one sure seems to get analyzed the most.

yea, don't expect much work till next week, they don't work Sundays and this weather ain't gonna be too good.

yea, don't expect much work till next week, they don't work Sundays and this weather ain't gonna be too good.

Typically sunday is a day off. But they have worked sundays in the past. If memory serves when they were first putting up steel around the south core they did so over saturdays and sundays. So its not unprecedented. But it is rare.

I love Calatrava arches! It looks so futuristic!!! Can't wait until entire complex completed and it would look great!!!

yea, don't expect much work till next week, they don't work Sundays and this weather ain't gonna be too good.

actually they did work SOME Sundays a while back

well i heared this morning a 70% chance of rain and wind this afternoon and they may have a chance of work this morning!

well i heared this morning a 70% chance of rain and wind this afternoon and they may have a chance of work this morning!

I doubt it, the winds here are horrible. There's 50 MPH gusts. :(

It looked like they were pouring concrete near the core today, but I couldn't see any on the webcam. Anyone know what they were doing?

great! this is growing up!

not sure but now they are pouring north core.

Damn so much steel laying around everywhere and non of it can go up. http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/8195/hsrun.gifhttp://img20.imageshack.us/img20/8195/hsrun.gif

Hey guys, just wondering... The core is concrete, but what kind of stuff do they put/install to fill each floor?

Hey guys, just wondering... The core is concrete, but what kind of stuff do they put/install to fill each floor?Usually also concrete. The flooring that goes on top of it depends on the use of the space, and often is installed specifically for large tenants. Here is what a floor of Silverstein's rebuilt 7WTC looked like before it was leased:
http://i35.tinypic.com/2v3kaaa.jpg

Here is what leased space in the same building looked like after it was customized for the tenants:
http://i36.tinypic.com/svm5oh.jpg

I don't see any electrical hardpoints in the floor. Does that get put in over the concrete and the final flooring placed above that?

New York is the best to live.

I don't see any electrical hardpoints in the floor. Does that get put in over the concrete and the final flooring placed above that?
Actually, as you can see on the pic of the 7WTC, all those stuff goes between those beams...Electrical components, airconditon pipes and thinks like that...And then it goes ceiling like you can see on the lower customized pic...

i heared a little possibility of rain but no wind so do you think there will be work today

i heared a little possibility of rain but no wind so do you think there will be work today

no they not allowed to lay steel in rain. Even though tomorrow in Sunday, don't be surprised that they will work.

no they not allowed to lay steel in rain. Even though tomorrow in Sunday, don't be surprised that they will work.

so there will be work tomorrow or not

so there will be work tomorrow or not

maybe, nobody knows. I assume they have to play catch up but I"m not sure. We will find out tomorrow.

about my last comment a while ago about yorkers being proud and arrogant, im sorry, i was just angry at the time because the yanks had just knocked off my state's team, the Minnesota Twins in the playoffs after the Twins had that amazing run in September that no one, not even us, expected

There is atleast some activity going on today, they poured a part of the memorial this morning and flattened the sand on top of the arches.

But at the moment you can barely see anything on the Earthcam.

^^ could i get a link to that earth cam?

^^ could i get a link to that earth cam?

http://www.earthcam.com/clients/groundzero/groundZero.swf

It already cleared up a little bit.

thank you :) ^^

It has? It looks like it has gotten worse to me. Terrible weather right now.

http://www.earthcam.com/clients/groundzero/groundZero.swf

It already cleared up a little bit.

LensCrafters has 50% sale today :lol:

http://i35.tinypic.com/ipcu3l.jpg
Michael Nagle for The New York Times

supposed to be nice tomorrow maybe they will work since there was 3 with none here is a video of its progress.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/43913970@N04/4103141597/

LensCrafters has 50% sale today :lol:I meant the view, not the sky... ;)

There is some serious steel work on the south pool at the moment, despite of the bad weather conditions.

And I think the southwest part of the bathtub over the path trains has grown too. At least you can see new steel beams laying around in that area. So they will be installed very soon.

There is some serious steel work on the south pool at the moment, despite of the bad weather conditions.

And I think the southwest part of the bathtub over the path trains has grown too. At least you can see new steel beams laying around in that area. So they will be installed very soon.

The weather is not bad just on the HD cam the raind drops are still on the camera it is extremly cloudy supposed to clear around 3 today hopefully earlier and yea i see lots of steel there and my friend says he saw a truck with red steel near the ESB this morning maybe its coming here today

There is some serious steel work on the south pool at the moment, despite of the bad weather conditions.With today's work, we can really see the full dimensions of the footprint pool:
http://i34.tinypic.com/15s9cb8.jpg

Yeah, this is really exciting. BTW, a lot of us have been wondering about that dirt over Fulton Street. I'm beginning to think more and more that it's just temporary dirt placed there for two reasons: to bring the elevation up to street level to allow the cranes to drive freely onto it from West Street, and to prevent the cranes (especially the huge crawler going up this winter) from tearing up the already placed concrete with their tire treads, in the same way that dirt was placed over the bedrock and basement levels in the memorial section and was later removed. You can see some kind of steam-roller thing compressing the dirt, which wouldn't make one iota of sense if it were going to be permanent and eventually used for the trees (since tree roots wouldn't be able to grow in that kinda compressed dirt). Just a thought. Anyone else got any ideas?

Yeah, this is really exciting. BTW, a lot of us have been wondering about that dirt over Fulton Street. I'm beginning to think more and more that it's just temporary dirt placed there for two reasons: to bring the elevation up to street level to allow the cranes to drive freely onto it from West Street, and to prevent the cranes (especially the huge crawler going up this winter) from tearing up the already placed concrete with their tire treads, in the same way that dirt was placed over the bedrock and basement levels in the memorial section and was later removed. You can see some kind of steam-roller thing compressing the dirt, which wouldn't make one iota of sense if it were going to be permanent and eventually used for the trees (since tree roots wouldn't be able to grow in that kinda compressed dirt). Just a thought. Anyone else got any ideas?

that dirt will not be used for trees but you got an idea right pretty much: to prevent damage and to level the road.:). I'm not sure if a crawler will be going on that road although

I think they are just building the street, layer by layer... The underground of a street is very complex...

I really do not expect any of the crawlers to ever drive on that road. Thats probably too much weight for the arches! The tracks where the crawlers are currently operating from consist of a hell of a lot of steel beams, covered with wood. Thats a complete different thing.

I think they are just building the street, layer by layer... The underground of a street is very complex...

I really do not expect any of the crawlers to ever drive on that road. Thats probably too much weight for the arches! The tracks where the crawlers are currently operating from consist of a hell of a lot of steel beams, covered with wood. Thats a complete different thing.

You couldn't say it better...:)

Btw. looks like they workin' on the memorial today, but not on the 1WTC...

Interesting how the corner of the pool/falls will be over the PATH tracks...

- A

They are planning on rolling deliveries down Fulton Street from Vescey and out to West Street during the next phase of construction.

The dirt is part of the underlayment of the street. They will likely embed drainage and utility pipes in the dirt before installing temporary asphalt. I understand there will also be a rainwater collection system incorporated.

From the list of 4th quarter milestones in the recently released 3Q 2009 report:
"Complete Fulton Street Access Roadway

This work consists of retaining walls, concrete wall and slab infill, permanent backfill, and a temporary paving course for the western portion of Fulton Street. Once complete, this roadway will provide access for Station Roof construction and Tower One steel staging."

So all of the dirt they've been trucking in is the backfill that the road will be built on top of. They will do a temporary paving job for the construction traffic soon. Eventually, that will be broken up and removed, but the dirt will continue to be used as backfill when the permanent Fulton Street is paved on top of it.

http://blog.modernmechanix.com/mags/PopularScience/8-1930/chrystler_building.jpg

^^ Fascinating, but not really relevant in this thread.

ok its gonna be beautiful im praying for lots of steel today hopefulley the west at least should get some hopefully the east too

Oh and a question 2 why is the big crane over the memorial all weekend why has it not moved jw

The current shots really give you a feel for why things have taken so long. That is truly a massive amount of work that has been done.

Oh and a question 2 why is the big crane over the memorial all weekend why has it not moved jw

If you are talking about big red it has moved. A lot of steel went up in the southwest corner of the site over the PATH tracks this weekend.

November 15th...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2706/4108458388_ecba314452_b.jpg
Flickr, kevin s koepke (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kevinskoepke/)

lovely picture up date...

It's incredible how slow this construction is...At this pace,the whole Freedom Tower project will be completed in 5 to 6 years...
It will be awesome though,sure it's worth waiting...

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/7100/38900122.jpg

^^ I really hope you're kidding.

I think Paris, then London, then NY, and the Shanghai.

Hahahaha Shanghai. Yeah I'd move to Shanghai before many other cities in Europe and the US and Canada.

Not.

STOP!!!

Back to toppic before it' to late...

Why? That list is perfectly normal. What's your top 5?

OK you need to STFU and get back on topic. GO discuss your top 5 somewhere else WTF!!!

Hahahaha Shanghai. Yeah I'd move to Shanghai before many other cities in Europe and the US and Canada.

Not.

STOP derailing NY threads. In the last 5+ reply's all you did is derail threads. Cool you @$$ down!!

I think Paris, then London, then NY, and the Shanghai.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Your too funny! You just made my day!

Nice laugh.

Ok, now time to get back on topic.... :)

You're a real tosser and a lowlife too.

listen little girl, read damn thread title prick. Quit derailing thread! and be careful don't brake your fingers typing that fast. Is this look like a thread where you can discuss your top 5 cities? If yes, go kill yourself.

I'm done, couple more people on ignore list.

... Its good that you can now see the outline of one of the large fountains of the WTC memorial.

Subway Sandwich Shop To Be Built Atop WTC Crane

If anything ever turns out getting built at the World Trade Center site, please let it be this. Next month, workers are planning to construct a Subway sandwich shop atop a crane at Ground Zero — newly dubbed Ground Hero by the Post — so that hardhats can enjoy their $5-footlongs without having to descend from the Freedom Tower.

The sandwich shop will be built into a shipping container-like structure with a bathroom and offices for project managers, and it will rise floor by floor with the workers until it reaches the 105th story — "roughly the height of the old Twin Towers, or about as high as the former Windows on the World restaurant was," the tabloid reports.

"This will allow construction workers to stay in the tower throughout their shift rather than having to go up and down," said Port Authority spokesman Steve Coleman. That might be a good thing, because Ground Zero hardhats were spotted boozing during their lunch-breaks this summer.

http://gothamist.com/2009/11/16/subway_sandwich_shop_to_be_built_at.php

:lol::lol::lol:

listen little girl, read damn thread title prick. Quit derailing thread! and be careful don't brake your fingers typing that fast. Is this look like a thread where you can discuss your top 5 cities? If yes, go kill yourself.

I'm done, couple more people on ignore list.

A simple "Please get back on topic" would've sufficed. Jesus, you need an attitude adjustment.

Not that it matters, I think I'm already on your infamous "ignore list".

Anyways... lots of progress the last few days. More steel on the west side of 1WTC. The south fountain steel is coming along, and the SW corner memorial steel is up to grade. :cheers:

that dirt will not be used for trees but you got an idea right pretty much: to prevent damage and to level the road.:). I'm not sure if a crawler will be going on that road although

I was told that another crawler crane was going to be placed this winter at the eastern end of Fulton Street to help build the transit hub, when I was on the construction site a couple months back. I'm not a worker though, so there's still a lot of stuff I'm puzzled about.

The Calatrava arches do seem too weak to support such a massive crane (especially when it's also holding arches for the hub mezzanine), but my guess is that they'll use some kind of temporary, horizontal beams extending from the new wall that just went up along the northern end of the memorial to the wall at the very southern end of 1WTC... similar to the temporary beams that are now supporting the crawler cranes over the west and east plazas). I think that's what he meant when he was saying that the new wall was to allow for the third crawler crane.

I was told that another crawler crane was going to be placed this winter at the eastern end of Fulton Street to help build the transit hub, when I was on the construction site a couple months back. I'm not a worker though, so there's still a lot of stuff I'm puzzled about.

I'm not sure why they need another crawler so this all doesn't make any sense to me. I know they will use that road to stage supply's, etc... other than that, I have no clue what else is going there.

A quote from the below article,

http://www.downtownexpress.com/de_325/silversteinleader.html


"Brathwaite also provided the board with an update on W.T.C. construction. Before the end of the year, a new crane will arrive on the eastern half of the site to move steel trusses into place for the Santiago Calatrava-designed PATH hub. Rising five-and-a-half stories, the crane will be the largest on the site to date, because it will have to carry steel all the way from Church St. into the center of the site.

“It is absolutely massive,” Brathwaite said. "

A quote from the below article,

http://www.downtownexpress.com/de_325/silversteinleader.html


"Brathwaite also provided the board with an update on W.T.C. construction. Before the end of the year, a new crane will arrive on the eastern half of the site to move steel trusses into place for the Santiago Calatrava-designed PATH hub. Rising five-and-a-half stories, the crane will be the largest on the site to date, because it will have to carry steel all the way from Church St. into the center of the site.

“It is absolutely massive,” Brathwaite said. "That sounds like good news, Silverstein has some good arguments for the full development of the towers.

I'll say bring Manitowoc 31000 :cheers: :nuts:

that thing will take one swing and level half of Manhattan

On serious note: Manitowoc 18000 is the largest crane on a site, I would say Manitowoc 21000 but his boom is less than 18000 and Manitowok 31000 is not being delivered until next year to North Carolina company. I wonder what we will get...

Freedom Tower
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/photos/43913970@N04/4110203161/?eOrig=4110956072.jpg

well the dang image wot come up hers the link
http://www.flickr.com/photos/43913970@N04/

Freedom Tower
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/photos/43913970@N04/4110203161/?eOrig=4110956072.jpg

well the dang image wot come up hers the link
http://www.flickr.com/photos/43913970@N04/

At last we see some progress!:cheers:

they recently added some temporary steel work in the north east section of the site -- eastern edge of Fulton OVER the PATH roof.

My guess is that will be the foundation to put this new crawler crane. They placed the steel right on the vertical support beams.

A simple "Please get back on topic" would've sufficed. Jesus, you need an attitude adjustment.I agree. If someone bothers you enough that you feel compelled to tell them to off themselves, just hit "Ignore" in the first place.

Anyway, back on topic: It's amazing how fast this sucker is rising. The steel for the southwest corner has also reached level with the rest of the memorial plaza; hopefully that will be filled in soon. The southeast corner of the South Pool is also really starting to take shape.

3 new truckloads of steel are seen at the freedom tower this morning maybe four i see the tip of some steel out of the shot! WOoo more steel should go up today

Wow, is the building supposed to be that thin? The foundation looks thinner than the WTC 7 and the World Financial Center

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2722/4112220378_4c5c3fc26f_b.jpg
Flickr, Dazecoop (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dazecoop/)

they recently added some temporary steel work in the north east section of the site -- eastern edge of Fulton OVER the PATH roof.

My guess is that will be the foundation to put this new crawler crane. They placed the steel right on the vertical support beams.

That's a temorary support to hold up the ends of the arches while they pour the concrete deck. It will be removed soon.

Progress my friends, progress! :cheers:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2706/4108458388_ecba314452_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/kevinskoepke/4108458388/sizes/l/

That's a temorary support to hold up the ends of the arches while they pour the concrete deck. It will be removed soon.

I think he was referring to this steel. Looks like this maybe for the crawler crane. If they put it over the PATH roof they won't have to constantly move it back and forth. This should allow them to complete Fulton Street.

Just a guess though. I might be totally wrong.

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/4269/29289335.jpg

4th floor is growing in s-west corner, thankyou earthcam! May be the 5th floor or whatever now, but progrogress continues!

they recently added some temporary steel work in the north east section of the site -- eastern edge of Fulton OVER the PATH roof.

My guess is that will be the foundation to put this new crawler crane. They placed the steel right on the vertical support beams.Was the crawler crane meant to speed up the ongoing construction work?

Was the crawler crane meant to speed up the ongoing construction work?

They are mostly involved in moving pieces/equipment related to Fulton steet and the east-west corridor from WFC. Working on those areas frees up the larger cranes to focus more on 1WTC.

hopefully a lot of steel will go up there are a couple of rainy days in the 7 day forecast lets hope they put up alot before then:banana:

Link to todays pics
http://www.flickr.com/photos/43913970@N04/4112670423/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/43913970@N04/4112652279/in/photostream/

I think he was referring to this steel. Looks like this maybe for the crawler crane. If they put it over the PATH roof they won't have to constantly move it back and forth. This should allow them to complete Fulton Street.

Just a guess though. I might be totally wrong.

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/4269/29289335.jpg


yes.. that is what I was referring to..thanks for the graphic

I think that will be the location of this "massive"crane mentioned int he recent WTC update..capable of lifting the massive beams scheduled to span the transit hall.


http://www.downtownexpress.com/de_32...einleader.html


"Brathwaite also provided the board with an update on W.T.C. construction. Before the end of the year, a new crane will arrive on the eastern half of the site to move steel trusses into place for the Santiago Calatrava-designed PATH hub. Rising five-and-a-half stories, the crane will be the largest on the site to date, because it will have to carry steel all the way from Church St. into the center of the site.

“It is absolutely massive,” Brathwaite said. "

yes.. that is what I was referring to..thanks for the graphic

I think that will be the location of this "massive"crane mentioned int he recent WTC update..capable of lifting the massive beams scheduled to span the transit hall.


http://www.downtownexpress.com/de_32...einleader.html


"Brathwaite also provided the board with an update on W.T.C. construction. Before the end of the year, a new crane will arrive on the eastern half of the site to move steel trusses into place for the Santiago Calatrava-designed PATH hub. Rising five-and-a-half stories, the crane will be the largest on the site to date, because it will have to carry steel all the way from Church St. into the center of the site.

“It is absolutely massive,” Brathwaite said. "

I'm guessing it will be on Church St. Either there or in the eastern bathtub. I can't imagine it on top of that frail looking PATH hall roof. I think it'll probably take the place of the yellow crane on Church st. That one is being used to help with the H&M demo. I'm guessing the new crane probably won't be placed until early next year though.

Maybe it could go in 3WTC's site. If Silverstein wins the arbitration case next month, hopefully we'll see 2WTC start.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2736/4113885198_e7be5b3d61_b.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2723/4113887284_c945434813_b.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2768/4113898446_99f26e3270_b.jpg

I'm guessing it will be on Church St. Either there or in the eastern bathtub. I can't imagine it on top of that frail looking PATH hall roof. I think it'll probably take the place of the yellow crane on Church st. That one is being used to help with the H&M demo. I'm guessing the new crane probably won't be placed until early next year though.

Maybe it could go in 3WTC's site. If Silverstein wins the arbitration case next month, hopefully we'll see 2WTC start.

If you look closely at the picture above the horizontal steel is all laid on the vertical beams providing weight distribution to carry the load of a large crane.


Time will tell. The other option is on Greenwich Street as I understand it is proposed to reach well into the eastern Pit. Maybe in the eastern Pit itself.

Nice photos NYCD, thank you!

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2666/4112031953_44e2d0755b_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/morrongiello/

^^
Let's see if someone will dare say "no or slow progress"

Now it is getting exciting to follow the construction of this building!

Once the large corner beams meet, which is the widest part of the tower,
It will really speed up from there.

I will be visiting New York from the 3-5 of december, any idea on how much height will be added to the structure around then?

The entire thing will probably be up to where the core steel is right now by then.

finally this fucker is rising....

:banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:well then another 3 trucks are here again today!!!! and lots and lots of steel are on their beds!

:banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:well then another 3 trucks are here again today!!!! and lots and lots of steel are on their beds!

Amen to that...:D

GreenwichBoy, November 18th
http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7919&d=1258554643

Crazy steel delivery today...:)
Trucks arrived all day...:)

I will be visiting New York from the 3-5 of december, any idea on how much height will be added to the structure around then?
I have a similar question: by the end of this year, how many floors will be added? I believe that until then, we probably have reached the 6floor (minimum)

Donaldt Trump finally failed to prevent this "Freedom Tower" from being built...

Has he eventually accepted it or not?

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/9550/25928216.jpg

another crane :)

Manitowoc 16000?

There are 6 cool new pics of 1WTC on the main page at wtcprogress.com.

All the 'tridents' are finished on that level. It will be interesting to see how they attach the next level angled pieces, since they connect two stories above. Maybe three.

wow, they're really speeding up now :)!

What sort of height can we expect by Feb. 2011 as i'll be visiting then? Sorry if you get these questions a lot.

Good to see some progress! Rise!!!! :D

1 question...

I made a little research but didn't find out much...
Now, as we can see, there are bigger beams on the outer side of the tower...The cladding goes on those beams...And those beams are conncted to the core...So that's how the tower get strenght and stability...But the question is for what is that inner layer of beams? Looks like its about 2 meters in from the outer beams...Is it for extra strenght or what? That was only logical solution to me...But I might be wrong...
Can someone help me please?
:)

All the 'tridents' are finished on that level. It will be interesting to see how they attach the next level angled pieces, since they connect two stories above. Maybe three.

That wont be a problem, because there is a horizontal connector beam between those tridents. Have a closer look, its the same at the recent floors.

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Does the lobby count as floor 1? If so, then the highest connector beams between the core and the perimeter columns are to support floor number 7 at the moment. But if the lobby is not taken into count, then they would be for floor 6.

another crane :)

Manitowoc 16000?

16000 or 15000...Both models could have boom like this one...
I think it's 15000...

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1766/cranee.jpg

What sort of height can we expect by Feb. 2011 as i'll be visiting then? Sorry if you get these questions a lot.

Good to see some progress! Rise!!!! :D

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I know it's a bit offtopic but whats the status of WTC 2 and 3?

I know it's a bit offtopic but whats the status of WTC 2 and 3?

Awaiting the arbitration decision. Should come next month. If Silverstein gets his $2.75 billion back, he'll probably begin work on 2WTC. 3WTC will still get built to grade since it's needed for the VSC ramps, utilities, and structural support for the slurry wall and transit hub.

That wont be a problem, because there is a horizontal connector beam between those tridents. Have a closer look, its the same at the recent floors.

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Does the lobby count as floor 1? If so, then the highest connector beams between the core and the perimeter columns are to support floor number 7 at the moment. But if the lobby is not taken into count, then they would be for floor 6.

Yes, the lobby is floor 1...WTCprogress.com said that they workin' on the 4th floor right now, and that's the heighest floor of the tower at the moment...

Looks like its about 2 meters in from the outer beams...Is it for extra strenght or what? That was only logical solution to me...But I might be wrong...
Can someone help me please?
:)

The steel there is on floors that are mechanical floors. Ir seems to outline the actual floor. since those beams will be encased in concrete.

16000 or 15000...Both models could have boom like this one...
I think it's 15000...

Got to be the 15000, the 16000 at WTC1 took a week and a half to assemble. :D

wtcprogress.com is reporting steel is 160 feet above ground.

There are 6 cool new pics of 1WTC on the main page at wtcprogress.com.http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/1546/200911181wtcfourfloors.jpg
"Construction of One WTC has reached the fourth floor level."

Watching these last pictures made it all Very explicit.

This is gettting more and more exciting!

Great pictures. Thank You :)

my computer wouldnt work yesterday so did another big column go up on the east side yesterday or not

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2609/4115640840_7d0625f534_b.jpg
Flickr, morrongiello (http://www.flickr.com/photos/morrongiello/)

wow so cool

Well it's not taller than the last time i saw it but it is certanly bigger and more massive.

Nice to see this thing is finally rising :banana:.

I guess the hardest part of the tower is done.It should be rising much faster and will be very interesting to follow from now on.Tnx for daily updates.
The final look is just amasing.


Regards from Croatia.

http://www.lowermanhattan.info/construction/gallery/photos/MidtownViewtoWTCcreditdboxSPI.jpg

Does anyone know off the top....

Will total square footage of 1 WTC be larger than a single original tower, or about the same?

How does the total sq ft including all of the buildings that will actually be built (say in the next 5 years) compare to the original WTC complex?

See you on Friday NYC... (Feel free to PM me with new must see buildings)

wow!..it's going in a great way the construction!..i'll be waiting for new updates!..

They finished putting in the steel frame for the floor on the west side today. :)

I haven't looked at this thread in ages. It's great to see some progress with the building actually taking shape!

Growing quite fast right now :) Good to see the progress.

There is alot more steel in place at the memorial

Does anyone know off the top....

Will total square footage of 1 WTC be larger than a single original tower, or about the same?

How does the total sq ft including all of the buildings that will actually be built (say in the next 5 years) compare to the original WTC complex?

See you on Friday NYC... (Feel free to PM me with new must see buildings)

I'm pretty sure the new One World Trade Center tower will have a lot less square footage than one of the original towers. But all 4 new towers together probably have the same square footage as both original towers.

Yep, in fact the new One World Trade Center tower has only 2,600,000 sq ft. but a single one of the original towers had 4,300,000 sq. ft. Yeah, those towers were huge.

I'm pretty sure the new One World Trade Center tower will have a lot less square footage than one of the original towers. But all 4 new towers together probably have the same square footage as both original towers.

Yep, in fact the new One World Trade Center tower has only 2,600,000 sq ft. but a single one of the original towers had 4,300,000 sq. ft. Yeah, those towers were huge.



This one will still be huge in its own right.

Looks like the first tree planter has gone up to the south of 1WTC. Which means that I'm wrong again! The dirt all along Fulton Street probably is permanent and used as backfill to support the roadway, which is why it's being compressed with steam-rollers. I'd thought this meant it was temporary since tree roots wouldn't be able to grow in compressed mud, but now that I see they have separate tree planters...

It's a pretty good bet they really don't want tree roots growing under the pavement. All of the trees will spends their lives in planters.

Ok Now that this fine building is rising so quickly, I have a question for Zen or Onn. When will the original Corner Stone that was placed down in the pit so many years ago then removed be placed where it belongs? By the way, Everything is looking fantastic.
Also did anyone else have trouble opening up the website that has the Earthcam of the WTC Site, The one that has just one cam and a control panel.? Thanks, Lance

When will the original Corner Stone that was placed down in the pit so many years ago then removed be placed where it belongs?

It wont.. it was donated to the town where the company that made it is located. They have it displayed as a memorial.. do a google search.. i think its on Long island.

was mentioned here a few months back.. they dedicated it 9/11/09

3 trucks full of steel on the east side of the tower, new steel on the south corner of the site, new steel on the south pool of he memorial, new steel everywhere...:):)

watching to this tower finally rising from the floor is something really magnificent!..

Yes, the lobby is floor 1...WTCprogress.com said that they workin' on the 4th floor right now, and that's the heighest floor of the tower at the moment...

Hm, but floor two is hanging down from floor three and is barely visible on the pics. Then the current decking would be for floor 5 already. Did they miss this one, or is it not even counted?

Hm, but floor two is hanging down from floor three and is barely visible on the pics. Then the current decking would be for floor 5 already. Did they miss this one, or is it not even counted?

The floor between is labelled 3M if I remember correctly.
The next ones will be 4M, 5, 5M, 6 and 6M.

After that the base will be complete and construction of the first office level, floor 20, will begin.

Hope this helped. Zen may correct me if I'm wrong.

wtcprogess.com says that building is currently at 160 feet above street level... which is really bizarre. Before they put up those two new levels of core steel, it was only at 105 feet. I doubt that the core steel was enough to bring it up another 55 feet.

finally, now you can see a tower rising! it has shape now. Maybe the construction speed would raise now on.

As I know, there's one mechanical floor on top of the lobby (that would be 1st floor)
Then we have full width floor (that would be 2nd floor)
Then goes another mechanical floor (that would be 3rd floor)
Then goes again full width floor which one wtcprogress.com named as 4th floor (the highest floor at the moment)...
And right now we can see 2 beams connected to the core and there will be 6th floor...That's the highest point of the tower right now...

And of course, between 4th floor which is done, and 6th floor which right now has 2 beams connected to the core, will be 5th floor (mechanical floor)...

:)

wtcprogess.com says that building is currently at 160 feet above street level... which is really bizarre. Before they put up those two new levels of core steel, it was only at 105 feet. I doubt that the core steel was enough to bring it up another 55 feet.

I didn't think so either, but look at the renders of the podium, the next tier of perimeter columns above this new steel in SE corner will reach 186 feet. So they are nearly up to the 20th floor. :banana:

http://www.observer.com/2009/real-estate/silverstein-wants-26-b-wtc-bonds-what

Silverstein Wants $2.6 B. in WTC Bonds—But for What?
By Eliot Brown
November 18, 2009 | 5:10 p.m

Anyone paging through the end of The Times' business section Wednesday might have noticed an unusual legal notice nestled in between the commercial real estate classifieds and a bank ad (a reader had to point it out to us):

NEW YORK LIBERTY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION

Notice of Public Hearing

World Trade Center developer Larry Silverstein, it seems, is eager to issue the $2.6 billion in tax-free bonds he was pledged to rebuild office towers at the site. The reason: the triple tax-exempt bonds meant to spur downtown development, dubbed "Liberty Bonds" in classic post-September 11 style, are slated to expire at the end of the year. The Port Authority, which has its own set of bonds, has been trying to get Congress to extend the expiration date. (The hearing, scheduled for Dec. 3 at the Museum of Jewish Heritage, would authorize final issuance of the bonds.)

GreenwichBoy, November 20th:
http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7928&d=1258725997

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7929&d=1258726011

As I know, there's one mechanical floor on top of the lobby (that would be 1st floor)
Then we have full width floor (that would be 2nd floor)
Then goes another mechanical floor (that would be 3rd floor)
Then goes again full width floor which one wtcprogress.com named as 4th floor (the highest floor at the moment)...
And right now we can see 2 beams connected to the core and there will be 6th floor...That's the highest point of the tower right now...

And of course, between 4th floor which is done, and 6th floor which right now has 2 beams connected to the core, will be 5th floor (mechanical floor)...

:)
Thx, thats exactly the reason I wanted to know, if the lobby counts as a floor. So if it does not count, then the counting seem to be right and the first floor is the one hanging down from the lobby ceiling.

@C30
I think this makes more sense as naming them M floors with the same number.

Can someone verify this?


But their counting is still weird. Are they going to skip some floors even in the lower half of the tower, like they do it on top, or how is it possible to be at floor 20 in just a few floors.

^^ I believe floors 7-19 are fictional.

But their counting is still weird. Are they going to skip some floors even in the lower half of the tower, like they do it on top, or how is it possible to be at floor 20 in just a few floors.

I was wondering the same thing...

@C30
I think this makes more sense as naming them M floors with the same number.



What I know for sure is that floors 7 through 19 don't exist.

I guess this (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3500/3935120605_1e98fbb53d_o.jpg) pic should explain it. It is a bit old, so don't look at the captions.

The floors that aren't present on the pic are a bit smaller and labelled M for Mezzanine. (Again, I could be wrong.)

Thx, thats exactly the reason I wanted to know, if the lobby counts as a floor. So if it does not count, then the counting seem to be right and the first floor is the one hanging down from the lobby ceiling.

@C30
I think this makes more sense as naming them M floors with the same number.

Can someone verify this?


But their counting is still weird. Are they going to skip some floors even in the lower half of the tower, like they do it on top, or how is it possible to be at floor 20 in just a few floors.

Of course they are skipping floors on the lower half of the tower. Many buildings do this, but most don't have a podium like the WTC does.

Floor 20 starts at 186' 8". That averages out to 19 office floors below with an approximate floor to ceiling height of almost 10 (9.8) feet. I wouldn't call it cheating at all since the office floors 20 and above have ceiling heights of 10 feet.

Oh, and I should say that the 9.8 feet/floor I mentioned doesn't include the floor slabs that would have to be included, so in reality they could fit about 14 floors into the bottom if the podium didn't exist. So they only lost five floors.

Of course they are skipping floors on the lower half of the tower. Many buildings do this, but most don't have a podium like the WTC does.

Floor 20 starts at 186' 8". That averages out to 19 office floors below with an approximate floor to ceiling height of almost 10 (9.8) feet. I wouldn't call it cheating at all since the office floors 20 and above have ceiling heights of 10 feet.


Kinda weird but on the other side reasonable...Thanks man...:)

Looks like the first tree planter has gone up to the south of 1WTC. Which means that I'm wrong again! The dirt all along Fulton Street probably is permanent and used as backfill to support the roadway, which is why it's being compressed with steam-rollers.This was actually mentioned in the 4Q 2009 milestones recently listed in the 3Q 2009 report: "Complete Fulton Street Access Roadway This work consists of retaining walls, concrete wall and slab infill, permanent backfill, and a temporary paving course for the western portion of Fulton Street. Once complete, this roadway will provide access for Station Roof construction and Tower One steel staging." In other words, the backfill has been put into place to support the temporary roadway, but will be kept to support the eventual permanent roadway as well.But their counting is still weird. Are they going to skip some floors even in the lower half of the tower, like they do it on top, or how is it possible to be at floor 20 in just a few floors.They get the floor 20 number from the height of the floor. If the base were the first 200 feet or so of a normal building instead of a concrete fortress, there would be 19 standard height floors in it. The first normal floor of 1WTC would in fact be the 20th floor of such a building.

Thanks for all the info about the floor numbering.

construction is speeding up

The "skipping" of numbers in the lower floors isn't really unusual. Even in the original Twin Towers, you had the lobby designated as floor 1, the mezzanine above the lobby designated as floor 2, and then it skipped all the way to floor 7, which was the first level above the lobby (a mechanical floor).

The "skipping" of numbers in the lower floors isn't really unusual. Even in the original Twin Towers, you had the lobby designated as floor 1, the mezzanine above the lobby designated as floor 2, and then it skipped all the way to floor 7, which was the first level above the lobby (a mechanical floor).

Maybe it's a New York thing: Donald Trump famously pegged his 58 story Trump tower at "68 stories", mostly for marketing purposes.

^^ I believe floors 7-19 are fictional.

Honestly how do you know that floors 7-19 are fictional?

Looks like they are laying asphalt over Fulton right now.

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t263/DKNY617/IMG_0666.jpg
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t263/DKNY617/IMG_0669.jpg

Honestly how do you know that floors 7-19 are fictional?

http://www.glasssteelandstone.com/BuildingDetail/439.php

This website details the floor usage. The PA and other entities try very hard to keep most of the intricate details of this tower secret. But this is the most widely watched development in the US right now. A lot of information is available online. A member of this forum has posted actual blueprints.

A homeless man even found the blueprints in a trashcan near the site.

Here's a quickie picture I made.

http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/5493/crossreference.jpg

This website details the floor usage. The PA and other entities try very hard to keep most of the intricate details of this tower secret. But this is the most widely watched development in the US right now. A lot of information is available online. A member of this forum has posted actual blueprints.There is a lot that is kept secret for security reasons, but the truth about floors 7-19 is not one of them. No one, from the PA or elsewhere, has claimed there are going to be floors 7-19. If the "normal" floors are 9 feet, 10 inches per floor, 9' 10" x 19 floors = 186 feet, eight inches -- the same height as your quickie picture.

The floor numbering is a conceit. What it means is that if you're on, say, the 50th floor, you're at the same altitude as the 50th floor of a normal building with ~10 foot floors.

Looks like they are laying asphalt over Fulton right now.

yup they are paving fulton, but I pretty sure this is a temporary. After tower is done, they gonna repave it again.

At this pace, the base will be done by the end of the year. Awesome!

heres the webcam images

http://www.flickr.com/photos/43913970@N04/4121051375/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/43913970@N04/4121051375/:banana:

Here's a quickie picture I made.

http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/5493/crossreference.jpg

I think you might be wrong for the upper floors.

This one is more accurate:

http://www.izipik.com/images/200911/21/jebc2qlqnqgyhc1s22-picture_8.png

Thx Tylow

I was just thinking about the same thing!

BTW: It looks like they added core steel on the west side! They have nearly caught up now.

GreenwichBoy, November 21st
http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7951&d=1258811769

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7953&d=1258811799

Hey guys. I just joined, but I'm not a newbie when it comes to the WTC site. I've been watching the site grow for years.

I think you might be wrong for the upper floors.

This one is more accurate:

http://www.izipik.com/images/200911/21/jebc2qlqnqgyhc1s22-picture_8.png

Uh, you might have skipped a mechanical floor between the orange and green lines, because there are only five(but technically it ends at six). The diagonals also end on the roof of the floor above the one they're currently elevating to.

why do they have so many mechanical floors just above the lobby? Couldn't some of them have been under ground? that would leave more available space to rent(not the best space in the tower but still rentable).

I think a lot of it was security driven, they’re worried about car bombs.

Tylows picture is absolutely right and his marks too! ^^

I think a lot of it was security driven, they’re worried about car bombs.

ahh yes, the WTC bombing in the '90. Makes perfect sense to me now, thanks

Uh, you might have skipped a mechanical floor between the orange and green lines, because there are only five(but technically it ends at six). The diagonals also end on the roof of the floor above the one they're currently elevating to.


Indee there is, but on the plan it's not notified, hence I did not mark it.

The diagonals also end on the roof of the floor above the one they're currently elevating to.There will be two more floors above the current elevation of steel. The diagonals will end at height of the 6th floor. That's why Tylow's diagram is accurate and spectre's is not.

Here is a diagram which should explain where the diagonals are going to end:

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/2633/202631900047ba88411o.jpg

First of all, the lobby is the first floor (elevation Zero). Tucked up under and hanging from the 3rd floor is the second floor. Next we have 3M, it's not counted as a floor for two reasons, 1) no elevators well stop at it 2) it is not a full floor, think of it as four balcony's with mechanical equipment on them.
Next the fourth floor, then 4M (see above notes about 3M) then we get to the fifth floor, also the current top of core steel.

Then we go 5M then 6 then 6M then 20, the first office floor at an elevation of 186' 8".

Floor to floor heights in the base are all pritty much the same 28' 2". (From the 3rd floor to the 4th floor for example)

The office floors well have a 13' 4" floor to floor height.

I think you might be wrong for the upper floors.

This one is more accurate:

http://www.izipik.com/images/200911/21/jebc2qlqnqgyhc1s22-picture_8.png

Your blue and green lines are incorrect. They are the next floors up. 1WTC is 160 feet high. The 7th/20th floor is the very next floor above that at 186 feet. Take a ruler and scale the diagram vs real picture.

Thx Zen for verifying our counting.

@Spectre
Just read Zens post and look at my current diagram while reading, it explains it all.

That 160 foot hight is wrong, they must be measuring from low tide or something.

Current top of core steel is about 5 feet above the fifth floor. The fifth floor is 125' 7" above the lobby finished floor, so call it 130'.

PS: glassstoneandsteel.com is a rather poor source for accurate information, as is wikipedia, and sometimes the PA too.

That 160 foot hight is wrong, they must be measuring from low tide or something.

Current top of core steel is about 5 feet above the fifth floor. The fifth floor is 125' 7" above the lobby finished floor, so call it 130'.

Thanks Zen, that's what was screwing me up. Looking at pics of the podium it appeared that the next tier of perimeter steel /|\ connected the three beams, thus reaching the height of 186'. I'm still not 100% sold. I'm working on another picture right now. Just for fun.

Nothing like a good little debate.

Also I think the spacing of the girts to support the glass curtain wall might be throwing some people off. They are spaced at 13' 4" just like the office floors. But they do not align with the mechanical floors.

@Spectre
They will still have to add another big joint piece for the steel. Even if the diagonal columns are close to connect after the next floor, there would be no room for the joint piece to be placed below the office floors.

@Zen
Yes I noticed the odd placement of the windows. Some people may think 3 Windows = 1 Floor. The outer perimeter columns look like the frame for the windows, so you can see that the 4th floors decking is in between the third window of the floor. So 1 mechanical floor is like 2 and 1/3 windows. Maybe you have more accurate numbers?

I should've known better than to have trusted the Port Authority! :lol:

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/2021/crossreference2g.jpg

So is this what we can expect? Or close to it, sorry my picture is missing a few beams and not scaled precisely.

Then I guess the south side connects all the way to the top, but the east and west have that extra level. That is really screwed up! :bash:

@Spectre
Seems like you are totally screwed now! If you have a closer look at your weird (sorry) drawing, you will notice, that it is impossible to make the diagonals connect at the top of the next floor without bending the line. And you even made the next floor super high...


This is what we will see on every side of the building:

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/2633/202631900047ba88411o.jpg

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/8157/crossreference3.jpg


I think I got the scale right on this one. I'm mostly interested in the overall height of the building right now.

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I think I got the scale right on this one. I'm mostly interested in the overall height of the building right now.

But where did the 6th floor go? I thought you got our idea now? They need another floor for the diagonals, believe me. The lines in my following drawing are exactly along those of the already existing columns, and not just elongations of them.


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Yep, it will look stunning! And I guess we don't have to wait long since they're realy making progress right now :)

Looks like Manitowoc on the southwest corner of the site is done...

Thanks Hightech Pro! Your picture makes it much clearer.

Looks like Manitowoc on the southwest corner of the site is done...

Yeah, and they are wasting NO time in getting it out of there. It just lowered the final beam into place in that corner just a little while ago and they already started disassembling it. It's like they have to pay for it by the hour, lol.

here is todays links to todays pics! I dont know why everytime i try to upload a pic it gives me x's

http://www.flickr.com/photos/43913970@N04/4122378165/in/photostream/

i know there is a new crane supposed to come to freedom tower soon where will it be exactly and when should it get here. question 2 will both of the big reds be taken down like they are doing at the memorial soon or will they stay the whole time

i know there is a new crane supposed to come to freedom tower soon where will it be exactly and when should it get here. question 2 will both of the big reds be taken down like they are doing at the memorial soon or will they stay the whole time

If 1WTC reaches a certain height the manitowocs will be pretty useless, so I doubt they will be staying there after they reached the office floors. Maybe they are going to use them for other construction issues.

I think that one or both of the red cranes will be shifted to the PATH hub once the base of the tower is finished, but I'm not sure.

Nov.21

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Amazing closeups!!!

Thx for sharing!

Amazing process!!!:banana:

But I think there is no optimal planning of cranes work. :ohno: They erected too early two not enough powerful to lifting 70t columns Favelle Favco cranes... Therefore at present we see there Manitowoc crawler cranes with powerful engines which need many litres :cheers: of fuel per day :down:. These cranes are very useful at industrial construction works. But here they are too slow and bulky.

I suppose that more effective way in construction of such skyscrapers bottom part, which consist of massive construction elements, is to use powerful tower cranes like Liebherr 5000HC http://www.liebherr.com/cc/en/products_cc.asp?menuID=106087!12543-0&register=1249_330 or Kroll K-10000 http://www.impact-enterprises.com/photo/0317031h.jpg :rock:. I think such cranes could work more fast than crawler ones, and they are less energy consumable :2cents:. Also I suppose that erection time for such tower cranes is more short...

When bottom heavy part of skyscraper is finished, then Favelle Favco (or more economical and safe IHI JCC cranes) could be erected on the top of building using above powerful tower cranes.

Comparison!

ORIGINAL WTC:

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http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2205/2441387358_2dd485d804_b.jpg

NEW WTC:

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa155/jwalas/Construction/P1120816.jpg

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Thanks for the pics Jwalas! Looking sharp! :)

On these pics the original WTC steelwork looks a lot stronger than the current WTC1. But they were using old techniques, no diagonals, and less concrete obviously.

Far out, I knew the original WTC was raised, but I didn't think it was that much!!
I think there was no concrete at all in the twin towers, except for floors.

nobody can complain about the new one going slow any more now!

On these pics the original WTC steelwork looks a lot stronger than the current WTC1. But they were using old techniques, no diagonals, and less concrete obviously.

And the steel was only bolted; no welding. Looks can be deceiving.

Still, it looks pretty massive, and gives a whole new appreciation of the amount of force it took to bring them down. Are these photos on the web somewhere? I'd like to look at the original underconstruction.^^

Dont forget that the old twins used lightweight trusses for each floor to save weight and money. Trusses are perfectly fine but not when a plane hits the building at 600mph. The trusses were the real weak point in the old buildings along with how they were attached. This tower is gonna have lots of beams holding up the floors which are a lot heavier and stronger than trusses, and along with welded joints, and a concrete core. This building is much stronger than the old twins with these changes, but I think the old design with those hundreds of perimeter columns with these changes would be the strongest design of all. Since thats not happening though this design is still a lot stronger than the old one.

Jesus, the original twins were HUGE. Thanks for sharing!

And progress has really picked up a lot. Notice how the "slow" trolls have vanished?

..I so jinxed that.

Amazing process!!!:banana:

But I think there is no optimal planning of cranes work. :ohno: They erected too early two not enough powerful to lifting 70t columns Favelle Favco cranes... Therefore at present we see there Manitowoc crawler cranes with powerful engines which need many litres :cheers: of fuel per day :down:. These cranes are very useful at industrial construction works. But here they are too slow and bulky.

I suppose that more effective way in construction of such skyscrapers bottom part, which consist of massive construction elements, is to use powerful tower cranes like Liebherr 5000HC http://www.liebherr.com/cc/en/products_cc.asp?menuID=106087!12543-0&register=1249_330 or Kroll K-10000 http://www.impact-enterprises.com/photo/0317031h.jpg :rock:. I think such cranes could work more fast than crawler ones, and they are less energy consumable :2cents:. Also I suppose that erection time for such tower cranes is more short...

When bottom heavy part of skyscraper is finished, then Favelle Favco (or more economical and safe IHI JCC cranes) could be erected on the top of building using above powerful tower cranes.

They want american cranes on the site...

Amazing process!!!:banana:

But I think there is no optimal planning of cranes work. :ohno: They erected too early two not enough powerful to lifting 70t columns Favelle Favco cranes... Therefore at present we see there Manitowoc crawler cranes with powerful engines which need many litres :cheers: of fuel per day :down:. These cranes are very useful at industrial construction works. But here they are too slow and bulky.

I suppose that more effective way in construction of such skyscrapers bottom part, which consist of massive construction elements, is to use powerful tower cranes like Liebherr 5000HC http://www.liebherr.com/cc/en/products_cc.asp?menuID=106087!12543-0&register=1249_330 or Kroll K-10000 http://www.impact-enterprises.com/photo/0317031h.jpg :rock:. I think such cranes could work more fast than crawler ones, and they are less energy consumable :2cents:. Also I suppose that erection time for such tower cranes is more short...

When bottom heavy part of skyscraper is finished, then Favelle Favco (or more economical and safe IHI JCC cranes) could be erected on the top of building using above powerful tower cranes.

Here in USA crawler cranes are really popular, while in Europe tower cranes ( even mini tower cranes) are more popular that crawler cranes. Crawler cranes have greater capacity and bigger boom than most of tower cranes. I really like crawler cranes like 15000 and up versions. :)

November progress...:)

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proud of all the progress ^^^^ that is an awesome video above

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