Here in USA crawler cranes are really popular, while in Europe tower cranes ( even mini tower cranes) are more popular that crawler cranes. Crawler cranes have greater capacity and bigger boom than most of tower cranes. I really like crawler cranes like 15000 and up versions. :)

I was just talking about optimisation of construction process for skyscrapers like WTC... But it is impossible to construct enough high skyscraper's part by crawler cranes...

At skyscrapers construction is not very important maximal capacity that usually can be realised at very small radius. More important is load momentum (dependence capacity on radius). Liebherr 5000HC, for an example has capacity 70t to 65m, Manitowoc 18000 with luffing jib of 70m and main boom of 54.9m has capacity only of 44.3 tonne at 60m radius. So, which of cranes is more powerful?:)

I think that using of crawler cranes at skyscraper construction is justified only in case when there is task impossible to solve by tower cranes. But at present I can't find such task...

Who really cares where the cranes came from? Australia is an ally, so shouldnt that be ok?

OMG :drool:
Amazing progress.I love this tower

Who really cares where the cranes came from? Australia is an ally, so shouldnt that be ok?

Yes, I also think it is not important where cranes came from... Important is capacity and safety of cranes!

About ally, you know, sometimes nature is very cruel, like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jngUJLZEILs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WbvBinVxbQ

So, I think it is more important to select safe cranes, like Japanese JCC ones.

If they use them, I guess they are good and safe enough...;)

great close ups and comparisons with the old towers .some close ups of the new tower shows that alot of the beams dont have all the bolts put in but they have still built above ,is this safe ?

Amazing process!!!:banana:

But I think there is no optimal planning of cranes work. :ohno: They erected too early two not enough powerful to lifting 70t columns Favelle Favco cranes... Therefore at present we see there Manitowoc crawler cranes with powerful engines which need many litres :cheers: of fuel per day :down:. These cranes are very useful at industrial construction works. But here they are too slow and bulky.

I suppose that more effective way in construction of such skyscrapers bottom part, which consist of massive construction elements, is to use powerful tower cranes like Liebherr 5000HC http://www.liebherr.com/cc/en/products_cc.asp?menuID=106087!12543-0&register=1249_330 or Kroll K-10000 http://www.impact-enterprises.com/photo/0317031h.jpg :rock:. I think such cranes could work more fast than crawler ones, and they are less energy consumable :2cents:. Also I suppose that erection time for such tower cranes is more short...

When bottom heavy part of skyscraper is finished, then Favelle Favco (or more economical and safe IHI JCC cranes) could be erected on the top of building using above powerful tower cranes.

You sound like a salesman.

Both the T cranes you mention are over kill and suffer from the major drawback all T cranes have, two cranes can't work together to lift heavy stuff.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3664/3432166173_e0d8b76481_o.jpg
Photo by Joe Woolhead.

great close ups and comparisons with the old towers .some close ups of the new tower shows that alot of the beams dont have all the bolts put in but they have still built above ,is this safe ?

When erecting they put a few bolts in to hold the steel in place. After everything is plumbed and level they put all the bolts in and tighten them (called bolting up).

I think construction speeding up is a sign of the foundation nearing completion.

In the crane debate both sides are missing one factor that over rides all others. DCM and the Davis Group pick what cranes are used. The jacking system designed by Federated (part of the Davis Group) is meant to work with Favco cranes ( or any brand that can be fitted to the tower sections).

PS: Favco cranes built the Twins.

Something else I just thought of, a T crane would be useless at Tower One, the boom and maybe even the counter boom would hit the Verzon building.

You sound like a salesman.

Both the T cranes you mention are over kill and suffer from the major drawback all T cranes have, two cranes can't work together to lift heavy stuff.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3664/3432166173_e0d8b76481_o.jpg
Photo by Joe Woolhead.

O, yeah, very effective cranes work:lol::hilarious
Two cranes operators, two diesel engines-two fuel tanks, but only one steel column :lol: Very "effective":lol:

But Favelle Favco cranes are not American cranes!:ohno: These cranes were made in Australia. Actually America has not tower cranes for construction of skyscrapers like WTC...

The crane is made by an Austrailin company, the boom and tower it sits on were made in the USA.

And America DOES or rather did have a company making tower cranes, Kodiak.

It is rather un-fortunate that if one Googles Kodiak crane one well quickly learn that the second crane that fell in New York in 2008 was a Kodiak (the first was a Favco).

PS: Favco cranes built the Twins.


Oh , yes - very strong argument :)

But I remember Taipei 101 and Favco cranes falling from this tower...

I think most safe are Japanese JCC tower cranes http://rogiken.org/heavy/ccs/index.html.

Too big, and they suffer the same problem as all the other cranes you mention, they need a tower the full hight of the building they are working on.

You claim to be big on efficiency yet none of the cranes you site are right for the job. Why use a 70 tonne crane to lift a 2 tonne beam ?

Favco's building the Twins is not an arguement, it is a statment of fact.

Exactly my point...They use Manitowocs because they are enough strong to do work which has to be done there...Why would the use bigger cranes than is needed? No logic here...:)

Too big, and they suffer the same problem as all the other cranes you mention, they need a tower the full hight of the building they are working on.

You claim to be big on efficiency yet none of the cranes you site are right for the job. Why use a 70 tonne crane to lift a 2 tonne beam ?

No, no... As I said before, I think such skyscrapers construction should be divided into two stages:
1) construction of massive bottom part using powerful tower cranes like Liebherr 5000HC, no climbing cranes at this stage;
2) top part construction using climbing cranes like Favelle Favco (but I prefer JCC cranes, because of safety).

JCC cranes contain much more innovations than other ones. So, don't worry about effectiveness of Japanese cranes :)

Exactly my point...They use Manitowocs because they are enough strong to do work which has to be done there...Why would the use bigger cranes than is needed? No logic here...:)

Because of economical effectiveness... Manitowoc 18000 uses 447kW diesel engine, while 100t capacity Liebherr 4000 HC 100 power consumption is about 330kW. Also, as I said before, these cranes are more flexible and thus more fast at highrises construction works than crawlers ones.

But, OK it was just my meditations about effectiveness of steel skyscrapers construction...
But, life is life...:)

From wtcprogress.com (http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/index.html):
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/8173/20091007wtcmemoriallas.jpg

well! now that this has reached street level and its crane is gone, they just got to lay down the steel and pour the concrete

^^^^^^^^^^^^
Looks like that site says the One WTC construction will be at the 20th floor in the 1st quarter of 2010 :banana:

I believe that. The floor they are starting right now is 2 floors under the 20th.


I'm surprise that the concrete core will go up after the rest of the structure.

wow this week weather is not on their side. Showers almost each day plus Thursday is holiday.

From what I hear that cement block on Fulton street ( white square) is for tower crane. :)

wow this week weather is not on their side. Showers almost each day plus Thursday is holiday.

From what I hear that cement block on Fulton street ( white square) is for tower crane. :)

Yeah, truck delivered something there...Looks like they praparin' it for the crane...:)

Yeah, truck delivered something there...Looks like they praparin' it for the crane...:)

Seems rather like an external elevator.

^^ Maybe it's the Subway.

I'm surprise that the concrete core will go up after the rest of the structure.

If memory serves that's how 7WTC was constructed.

http://www.nydailynews.com/real_estate/2009/11/23/2009-11-23_hall_ruined_on_911_gone_at_last.html

^^ WHHHHAAAAAAAA?????? Fitterman Hall is already completely gone????!! I was there last September 5th and it was still exactly like it had been on 9/12, about 20 stories tall, just with a black tarp around it. Now it looks like it's already been completely disassembled down to dirt. This is just a total shock. I never imagined that it would come down that fast.

I guess this is good news for the Deutsche Bank Building. Hopefully it'll only take a few months for it to come down as well.

Looks like it is external elevator at the end...:)

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I guess this is good news for the Deutsche Bank Building. Hopefully it'll only take a few months for it to come down as well.

After this many years, corruption, delays, accidents, loss of life, I would caution anyone regarding this project. Deutsche building is a mob project. It might be done by summer, or it might be here for another 5 years.

My advice, keep your expectations very low.

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/7838/rgz000.jpg

cheers korea2002 ;)

Because of economical effectiveness... Manitowoc 18000 uses 447kW diesel engine, while 100t capacity Liebherr 4000 HC 100 power consumption is about 330kW. Also, as I said before, these cranes are more flexible and thus more fast at highrises construction works than crawlers ones.

But, OK it was just my meditations about effectiveness of steel skyscrapers construction...
But, life is life...:)

As long as you don't take the daily rent into count, its just wild guess!!!

< Zen takes the 3 year old site construction plans and tosses them in a trash can on the corner of Broadway and Liberty >

Hey, they put a dual cab construction elevator on the crane base.

Crane parts on the asphalt...:)

Yes, looks like 2 boom sections. Now I am really confused. If they are putting up a crane they have the plans up side down.

Yes, looks like 2 boob sections. Now I am really confused. If they are putting up a crane they have the plans up side down.

You said in the past that there would probably be two more cranes for WTC1. Where else would they have been located if thats not the proposed location?

As long as you don't take the daily rent into count, its just wild guess!!!

Yes, I suppose that daily rent for 2Manitowoc crawler cranes + 2Favelle Favco ones + 4 operators pay is much higher than for one Liebherr 4000 or 5000 HC + 1 operator pay...:)

You said in the past that there would probably be two more cranes for WTC1. Where else would they have been located if thats not the proposed location?

i think that they will figure out the carne situation we will all just wait and see everybody breathe!

Yes, I suppose that daily rent for 2Manitowoc crawler cranes + 2Favelle Favco ones + 4 operators pay is much higher than for one Liebherr 4000 or 5000 HC + 1 operator pay...:)

Whats wrong with you?? Not every piece of steel is weighing 70 tons on this site... If they only had one crane they would still be at ground level! You would need more of your Liebherr cranes to achieve the same. And therefore it may be more expensive. I dont want to read something about the Liebherr crane anymore. I think its annoying for everyone, ok?

here is today's picture

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/7625/november23rd.jpg

You said in the past that there would probably be two more cranes for WTC1. Where else would they have been located if thats not the proposed location?

The site plans I am now paying a homeless guy to recover called for a tower crane in the center of the south side ( and one in the center of the north side too). What they put up is to the east of center and looks alot like construction elevators.

Whats wrong with you?? Not every piece of steel is weighing 70 tons on this site... If they only had one crane they would still be at ground level! You would need more of your Liebherr cranes to achieve the same. And therefore it may be more expensive. I dont want to read something about the Liebherr crane anymore. I think its annoying for everyone, ok?

OK, Sir Moderator! :)
I think You make mistake... But OK, I want to save Your nerves:cheers:

The site plans I am now paying a homeless guy to recover called for a tower crane in the center of the south side ( and one in the center of the north side too). What they put up is to the east of center and looks alot like construction elevators.

There is still enough place in the center of the south side, and I believe they will put the crane exactly where it was on your prints.

:banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:
YES LOTS OF STEEL DELIEVERED THIS MORNING I BELIEVE 3 OR 4 TRUCKS MAYBE MORE LATER ON TODAY TOMORROW IS THE ONLY REAL GOOD DAY TO WORK! SO MAYBE SOME STEEL TODAY AND TOMORROW TO GO UP

highlighted in red looks like even more has came around
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/6687/novembermonring.jpg

:banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:
YES LOTS OF STEEL DELIEVERED THIS MORNING I BELIEVE 3 OR 4 TRUCKS MAYBE MORE LATER ON TODAY TOMORROW IS THE ONLY REAL GOOD DAY TO WORK! SO MAYBE SOME STEEL TODAY AND TOMORROW TO GO UP

highlighted in red looks like even more has came around


Crazy delivery...I like days like that...:)

I see they got SUBWAY restaurant on the top now :lol:

it's growing ;)

I see they got SUBWAY restaurant on the top now :lol:

Where?

http://theboulevardexclusive.wordpress.com/files/2009/11/dsc_3916.jpg

One month ago :)

too bad the roof height wasnt 1776 ft and the spire went up to 2001 ft, now thats symbolic.

That's a great idea boss-ton. Maybe they will surprise us.

bulevardi - I don't see WTC1 in that photo. I'm confused.

That's a great idea boss-ton. Maybe they will suprise us.

bulevardi - I don't see WTC1 in that photo. I'm confused.

It should be left from that photo...This is memorial...:)

NEW JOE WOOLHEAD PICS:

It took me a while to figure out but this is looking south down the narrow corridor between the South Tower and the chiller plant (which is on the right). Looks like they put a tarp over the Survivors' Stairs:
http://www.national911memorial.org/images/content/pagebuilder/198319.jpg

Great Hall. The Last Column is inside the white "box" (for climate control):
http://www.national911memorial.org/images/content/pagebuilder/198324.jpg

http://www.national911memorial.org/images/content/pagebuilder/198316.jpg

http://www.national911memorial.org/images/content/pagebuilder/198325.jpg

http://www.national911memorial.org/images/content/pagebuilder/198329.jpg

Looks like part of a new crane is on the street now. Can anyone confirm or deny?

Looks like part of a new crane is on the street now. Can anyone confirm or deny?

yes it the part of the crane that looks like a pair of Scissors!

Great pics of the museum. Nice to see this great piece of architecture taking shape so fast.

It looks exactly like the renders.

too bad the roof height wasnt 1776 ft and the spire went up to 2001 ft, now thats symbolic.

You and I think alike: I agree 100%

too bad the roof height wasnt 1776 ft and the spire went up to 2001 ft, now thats symbolic.

What a grand gesture that would've been.

^^

.....why not have the roof height be 1776 ft and the height to the spire be 2001 ft? Now you have double the symbolism, more floors, and a taller tower.....

I said the same thing....about 100 pages ago. Great minds think alike, I suppose! :lol:

Seriously though, it would have been amazing.

Horrible idea. What would that symbolize? The beginning of our country in 1776 and the end in 2001.

Horrible idea. What would that symbolize? The beginning of our country in 1776 and the end in 2001.
:lol: Good point!

^^
Maybe they should have made the building 1776 feet and the spire x feet of the current year, so add a foot each year?

^^
Maybe they should have made the building 1776 feet and the spire x feet of the current year, so add a foot each year?

That's the best idea I've heard so far! Of course, it may not be practical. :)

My idea for Freedom Tower:

110 Floors (original WTC floor count): Symbolizing a full recovery
1776 Ft to highest floor: Declaration of Independence
1791 Ft to Roof: Bill of Rights Ratified
2001 Ft to top of spire: Symbolizing the loss and sacrifice of the past
1000 Ft+ Beam of Light extending up from top of spire: Symbolizing the Hope and Determination of American civilization "reaching in to the sky."

looks like they covered quarter of Fulton street with something again, any idea? Looks to me they want to extend crawler path in order to set up tower crane? :)


p.s: more crane parts arriving overnight :) I actually can see a crane cabin laying on ground.

World Trade Center Two-Week Projected Work Schedule
Saturday, November 21st to Friday, December 4th

The schedule is subject to change due to inclement weather or other unforeseen
conditions/factors. The latest information is listed in boldface.

One World Trade Center: Steel erection; concrete placing operations and welding of
steel columns (including off hours).

Transportation Hub: Concrete placing operations and steel erection (including off
hours); crane placement on the No. 1 Subway Box for installation and removal of
material; completion of north projection roof construction; excavation and bracing at the
9A concourse; removal of material from demolition of H&M terminal in East Bathtub
(including off hours); removal of material under the No. 1 subway box in preparation of
permanent “top down” construction to support the subway box (including off hours);
installation of utilities on Vesey Street; concrete slab installation for the East/West
Corridor (Fulton Street); erection of steel in PATH station; arrival of crane on the
west side of the No. 1 Subway Box.

Vehicle Security Center: Installation of slurry wall foundation panels along Cedar and
Washington streets; relocation of sewer on Washington Street (including off hours).

National September 11 Memorial & Museum: Concrete placing operations and steel
erection (including off hours); removal of crane.

Tower 2: Site preparation for compaction grouting in the area of the MTA “E” platform
(including off hours).

Tower 4: Concrete placing operations (including off hours); arrival of hydraulic crane
to be positioned on the street level slab on the north side of the core within the
slurry wall.

for tower 4 has this already happened does anyone know

hell ye!! :banana: thanks. Where did you get this from?

hell ye!! :banana: thanks. Where did you get this from?

lol yea im excited 2!! Its on the port authoritys WTC website underneath community look on the right side of the page

:weird: WHAT ARE THOSE BLACK BOX LOOKING THINGS ON THE EAST CRANES RAMP. i ONLY SEEN 1 TRUCK OF STEEL COMING IN THIS MORNING

:weird: WHAT ARE THOSE BLACK BOX LOOKING THINGS ON THE EAST CRANES RAMP. i ONLY SEEN 1 TRUCK OF STEEL COMING IN THIS MORNING

Tower crane parts...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2718/4130791403_e4bfe85aa2_b.jpg
Flickr, morrongiello (http://www.flickr.com/photos/morrongiello/)

looks like they covered quarter of Fulton street with something again, any idea? Looks to me they want to extend crawler path in order to set up tower crane? :)


p.s: more crane parts arriving overnight :) I actually can see a crane cabin laying on ground.

Yes, they covered it with dirt and wood...I guess they extended that crawler path to enable more working space for crawler crane or exactly what you said, fot tower crane...But Zen said that according to the plans, tower crane should be in the middle of the south side of the tower...

Fantastic to see how the tower is rising :cheers:

WTC1 is finally rising at normal speed. enough of the delays! :ohno: hopefully the other towers will follow soon (as i hear WTC4 is currently on hold, or will be in the near future).

Yes, they covered it with dirt and wood...I guess they extended that crawler path to enable more working space for crawler crane or exactly what you said, fot tower crane...But Zen said that according to the plans, tower crane should be in the middle of the south side of the tower...
It looks like they're extending the crawler's path so that the boom can swing around 270 degrees. If that's the case, then this crawler might just be the one that's going to also help take the top off of the PATH station.

4 WTC is not on hold. Steel erection is scheduled to start in January.

A tower crane is going up, no doubt about that. Where is the question.

The site plan called for construction elevators on the east and west sides, not the south. Maybe they are going to put the tower crane on the east side.

With no work tomorrow we may have to wait tell Friday or the weekend and just see what goes where.

A tower crane is going up, no doubt about that. Where is the question.

The site plan called for construction elevators on the east and west sides, not the south. Maybe they are going to put the tower crane on the east side.

With no work tomorrow we may have to wait tell Friday or the weekend and just see what goes where.

Don't know about the east side...I doubt they will put tower crane on the crawler's path...There's a free space on the northeast corner of the tower, but it seems impossible because there's that corner of the base that lean out...And still has to grow...I don't know...

Only solution to me could be that they'll remove part of the crawler's path...I don't know...
I guass we should wait and see as you said...:)

not much can happen friday its supposed to rain and idk about saturday its supposed to be windy

ha! its getting wider :cheers: only a short time til we can't say that anymore :) anyone know what floor there on:?

4 WTC is not on hold. Steel erection is scheduled to start in January.

I know this is the 1WTC section, but the below article relates to the whole WTC site.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/11/realestate/commercial/11sqft.html?_r=2

Q. What’s the problem?

A. You have a bureaucracy at the Port, and their mind-set is different from private enterprise. Anytime there’s a delay, they just change the schedule; anytime there’s an increase in costs, they increase the budget. As a private entrepreneur, I can’t function that way. We should have been much farther along.

Tower 4 is already at street level. Unfortunately, at the present pace of construction our building will be finished two years before the infrastructure is in place, the infrastructure that the Port’s obligated to do. So by virtue of that, we’re going to have to stop.



I wouldn't call 4WTC on hold, more like "slow down". Hopefully the rumors of steel in January will come true. But the same mods at WNY said the same thing in August, then September, October, etc. Reminds me of the Chicago Spire.

I know this is the 1WTC section, but the below article relates to the whole WTC site.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/11/realestate/commercial/11sqft.html?_r=2

Q. What’s the problem?

A. You have a bureaucracy at the Port, and their mind-set is different from private enterprise. Anytime there’s a delay, they just change the schedule; anytime there’s an increase in costs, they increase the budget. As a private entrepreneur, I can’t function that way. We should have been much farther along.

Tower 4 is already at street level. Unfortunately, at the present pace of construction our building will be finished two years before the infrastructure is in place, the infrastructure that the Port’s obligated to do. So by virtue of that, we’re going to have to stop.



I wouldn't call 4WTC on hold, more like "slow down". Hopefully the rumors of steel in January will come true. But the same mods at WNY said the same thing in August, then September, October, etc. Reminds me of the Chicago Spire.

4WTC is officially going up to the fourth floor with steel and then after that, not even the crews know what's going to happen. Can't say where I got this info, but it's reliable.

4WTC is officially going up to the fourth floor with steel and then after that, not even the crews know what's going to happen. Can't say where I got this info, but it's reliable.

Hell yeah, a retail stump!

Hell yeah, a retail stump!

No, it's just that construction may (or may not) have to be put on hold after the steel for the "stump" is put in place, not that they're just going to open it as a retail stump. The tower will be built... whenever that may be.

No, it's just that construction may (or may not) have to be put on hold after the steel for the "stump" is put in place, not that they're just going to open it as a retail stump. The tower will be built... whenever that may be.

If you can not give the source of the information it's only a rumor. Please do not start rumors here.
You know this will be the beginning of pages of nonsense and speculation.

both north and south core all the way around are up to the next level

- The crawler track has been extended over Fulton street, the track ends directly at the pools edge now, where the crawler is also placed at the moment.

- Another part of the \|/ structure has been added on the east side of WTC1. I cant see the south side, but maybe they have added one on that side too.

- Decking of south pool continues to grow.

- Decking for the southwest corner of the memorial is prepared.

No, it's just that construction may (or may not) have to be put on hold after the steel for the "stump" is put in place, not that they're just going to open it as a retail stump. The tower will be built... whenever that may be.

I think I know who your source is, but I was being sarcastic. I can see Silverstein building everything to grade + 4 or so stories and then deciding which tower(s) to build. Maybe hedging his bets that by that time the market will have recovered so he can build all three.

Pure speculation though.

ha! its getting wider :cheers: only a short time til we can't say that anymore :) anyone know what floor there on:?

The current decking at WTC1 is for floor 4. The steel extends to the top of that floor. They will place the decking for floor 5 at the top of the current steel in a few weeks. These are mechanical floors which are extra high, they also have smaller intermediate floors in between, which are called 4m, 5m and 6m respectively. After floor 6, they will start the construction of floor 20, the first office floor.

BTW: Its not really getting wider, its just the edges which are extending, the walls are straight.

The current decking at WTC1 is for floor 4. The steel extends to the top of that floor. They will place the decking for floor 5 at the top of the current steel in a few weeks. These are mechanical floors which are extra high, they also have smaller intermediate floors in between, which are called 4m, 5m and 6m respectively. After floor 6, they will start the construction of floor 20, the first office floor.

BTW: Its not really getting wider, its just the edges which are extending, the walls are straight.

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/3726/lowerpodium.jpg

Are these dates right i just found this pic i hope it is

I dont know the dates, maybe Zen does. But the height should be right. Its the current steel elevation.

the 5th floor is 125' 7" so add 4 or 5 feet for the column splice and 130' is correct.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2718/4130791403_e4bfe85aa2_b.jpg
Flickr, morrongiello (http://www.flickr.com/photos/morrongiello/)

This is incredible, I haven't been on this thread in a few months and now I come back on and see this.

i feel like this is going so fast!! :happy:

4WTC is officially going up to the fourth floor with steel and then after that, not even the crews know what's going to happen. Can't say where I got this info, but it's reliable.If it's four storeys above street level, how can the public infrastructure be to blame? You'd think infrastructure delays would have hampered construction below grade and not above grade. The only thing I can think of is that they don't have a means of getting the materials to the site, and/or setting up the cranes.

^ It is. If I recall the infrastructure in question is a water main pipe that would originate from the Deutche Bank site as well as other elements involving the vehicle security center.

i feel like this is going so fast!! :happy:
Now that is above ground, I won't be so surprised if next year will be the tallest in Lower Manhattan. :cheers:

^^^^:lol: absolutely impossible...nice speed but it can't overtake the tall neighbors next year.

^^^^:lol: absolutely impossible...nice speed but it can't overtake the tall neighbors next year.

i say we will be able to see it it should reach level 50 or 60 next year maybe not up to beekman place but close so yes we can c it next year

^^^^:lol: absolutely impossible...nice speed but it can't overtake the tall neighbors next year.

its not impossible maybe wont get as tall as the beekman but can get up to the 50th or 60t floor

^^
60fl / year = 1,15fl / week

i dont think they will construct it with dubai / chinese speed...40fl are much more realistic...

Did anyone see the Macy's parade? The Big Apple float had a model of the Freedom Tower on it. Don't remember seeing that before this year. Before 9/11, I think the same float had the twins on the same spot.

Did anyone see the Macy's parade? The Big Apple float had a model of the Freedom Tower on it. Don't remember seeing that before this year. Before 9/11, I think the same float had the twins on the same spot.

NO way really will you upload a pic if anyone has one

^ It is. If I recall the infrastructure in question is a water main pipe that would originate from the Deutche Bank site as well as other elements involving the vehicle security center.I can understand that the utility hookups won't be completed, but it seems like they could build the building without them; if they complete the internal electric and plumbing work, why wouldn't they just be able to connect them later?

A while back(lots of pages actually) someone asked the question, how do you wash the windows on the sides on the WTC that point to the corners on the roof. well I came across this picture on wikipedia it kind off shows one possible solution used on the sanghai WFC. I just thought about it when I saw this picture hehe
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/15/Jin_Mao_Tower_and_Shanghai_World_Financial_Center.jpg
it's a window washers dream :nuts:

Did anyone see the Macy's parade? The Big Apple float had a model of the Freedom Tower on it. Don't remember seeing that before this year. Before 9/11, I think the same float had the twins on the same spot.

They had it last year. Whoa, since 2005 apparently.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v423/meh_cd/wtc/NEW%20wtc/The_Big_Apple_cold_air.jpg

Zen has posted information about the window washing equipment.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v423/meh_cd/wtc/NEW%20wtc/3955663843_6a1323f54c_o.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v423/meh_cd/wtc/NEW%20wtc/3955663911_05d1ff93a9_o.jpg

^^ thats pritty sweet, too bad i missed the parade today... =[

Zen has posted information about the window washing equipment.



thanks, i missed that :lol:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2718/4130791403_e4bfe85aa2_b.jpg
Flickr, morrongiello (http://www.flickr.com/photos/morrongiello/)

That look like the old towers!
(I know it's the freedom tower, I've seen it myself)

But take a look, the floor (storie) is very similair to the old ones.
Also at the facade, it looks like the old WTC tower base! :)

^ yea i noticed the same thing i really enjoy that about this tower it echoes the old buildings with those tridents but the finished product is going to be like a new version of the old towers.

^^
60fl / year = 1,15fl / week

i dont think they will construct it with dubai / chinese speed...40fl are much more realistic...
Hope they will...

Guangzhou West Tower, August 2007 - just above ground.
http://www.skyscrapers.cn/forum/attachments/20070802_9908e17464a7edb338edOF2ClAh2tinP.jpg

Guangzhou West Tower, August 2008 - I belive higher than beekman place.
http://i340.photobucket.com/albums/o322/foglio23/6-5.jpg

:cheers:

Thanks for the photos. And damn... that Guangzhou West tower went up FAST! :lol:

@ luci 203

you are right its possible but i think this one gets built by another technique.
the West Tower was an ultrafast supertall and 1WTC will be never ultrafast.
that would be very nice but its just not realistic..

Dubaï's gonna put the whole world in the sh..:bash:

Stop showing off Dubaï,your city will never overtake New York(that's their goal).Dubaï's projects are huge and great I agree,but the city in itself is 100% SUPERFICIAL,has NO HISTORY,NO SOUL,only built thanks the their oil,from A to Z...To me Dubaï is not worth it at all,I'll boycott it,it does not make me dream at all.:ohno:

I look 4ward to going to New York for the 1st time,hopefully in a couple of years...:)

I love New York,I love London.:cheers:

For some reason I had a dream last night that this was about 20 floors up and everyone was shocked at how quickly it had increased in height

Dream again!^^

For some reason I had a dream last night that this was about 20 floors up and everyone was shocked at how quickly it had increased in height
Weak, very weak... :ohno:

I had a dream that the downtown of my city was filled with skyscrapers (current tallest 14fl :rock:)

I was more disapointed when I woke up then, than after a "night" with J.Lo. :lol:

getting rid of the yellow crane behing future tower 2!

Dubaï's gonna put the whole world in the sh..:bash:

Stop showing off Dubaï,your city will never overtake New York(that's their goal).Dubaï's projects are huge and great I agree,but the city in itself is 100% SUPERFICIAL,has NO HISTORY,NO SOUL,only built thanks the their oil,from A to Z...To me Dubaï is not worth it at all,I'll boycott it,it does not make me dream at all.:ohno:

I look 4ward to going to New York for the 1st time,hopefully in a couple of years...:)

I love New York,I love London.:cheers:

:lol:

1) You can't have a history without doing something first can't you? Dubai is MAKING history. and you can't judge them as less than New York... Remember, New York had a boom once too. :ohno:

2) To say that they are built on oil is an extremly ignorant comment... yes the U.A.E. is extremly rich in oil, but the city of Dubai's total income from oil is only 5-6%. One of the reasons that they are building so many projects is that they are RUNNING OUT of oil.

:cheers:

For some reason I had a dream last night that this was about 20 floors up and everyone was shocked at how quickly it had increased in height

is that because you saw the web page http://www.wtcprogress.com/ stating that they expect the building to reach 20 floors by the 1 Qtr.?

:cheers:

back to topic please....

The new tower crane is being setup in east side of memorial, this crane will have nothing to do with freedom tower!!!

back to topic please....

The new tower crane is being setup in east side of memorial, this crane will have nothing to do with freedom tower!!!

huh? thats confusing. do you have any pictures of whats happening? or a link to the earthcam?

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/500/24187529.jpg

I just watched crane parts being lowered in there. That crane is for Memorial building.

who thinks there will be another crane jump by the end of the year? Plus they havent put any new steel beams in just floor steel! i was hopeing they would!

For some reason I had a dream last night that this was about 20 floors up and everyone was shocked at how quickly it had increased in height
I believe that in first January og 2010, it will probably 10+ floors...

who thinks there will be another crane jump by the end of the year? Plus they havent put any new steel beams in just floor steel! i was hopeing they would!

#1 heave winds advisory is in effect

#2 1 cranes is setting up new tower crane for memorial site.

#3 Other crane did some stuff in the morning but with increase winds, it's stopped too.

#4 all workers are still stuffed with turkeys and pies. :P

#1 heave winds advisory is in effect

#2 1 cranes is setting up new tower crane for memorial site.

#3 Other crane did some stuff in the morning but with increase winds, it's stopped too.

#4 all workers are still stuffed with turkeys and pies. :P

#5 Rainy weather. :P

I can't wait to see this beast from Sandy Hook. I had a perfect view of Beekman Place today when I drove out there. Plus, the skyline still looks.. empty.

Here's hoping for 2013. :cheers:

#5 Rainy weather. :P

I can't wait to see this beast from Sandy Hook. I had a perfect view of Beekman Place today when I drove out there. Plus, the skyline still looks.. empty.

Here's hoping for 2013. :cheers:

Not raining lol, heres to a 2011 topping out!

I just watched crane parts being lowered in there. That crane is for Memorial building.

Actually, that crane is for demolishing the western part of the PATH roof, something the trucks from Greenwich Street can't reach. It's then going to put in glorious new roof arches for the station.

Everything behind the concrete wall is the memorial. Everything above the PATH station is the memorial entrance, sidewalks, parts of the new mall and about 50+ trees.

#5 Rainy weather. :P

I can't wait to see this beast from Sandy Hook. I had a perfect view of Beekman Place today when I drove out there. Plus, the skyline still looks.. empty.

Here's hoping for 2013. :cheers:

This thing should top out in 2011-early 2012 easy.

I was just thinking: I hope they are planning to bring back the restaurant AND the bar. NYC is sorely lacking both compared to Chicago. (1000+ ft in the air, I mean)

Actually, that crane is for demolishing the western part of the PATH roof, something the trucks from Greenwich Street can't reach. It's then going to put in glorious new roof arches for the station.

Everything behind the concrete wall is the memorial. Everything above the PATH station is the memorial entrance, sidewalks, parts of the new mall and about 50+ trees.

so that new tower crane u/c should reach to Greenwich Street? What lift capacity will it have? Those arches should be pretty massive.

If you watch carefully the south crane is rising slowly, but it is rising

so that new tower crane u/c should reach to Greenwich Street? What lift capacity will it have? Those arches should be pretty massive.

The new tower crane is right next to Greenwich St, so it won't have any difficulty reaching it. I believe it will be used for constructing the museum pavillion and the remaining memorial steel (over the PATH hall). The yellow crane on Church St, which was used to remove the old H&M station is gone. I believe it will be replaced by an even larger crane. The new crane will either be inside the east bathtub or on Church St. It is supposed to be the largest crane yet and should be able to reach all the way to Greenwich St.

about the dubai/chinese building speed, don't they work in 2 twelve hour shifts? They don't work on 1wtc 24/7 do they...

God can someone make this subject go away forever.

China is almost a slave labor camp and Dubai is like a kid in a candy store that just found a $20 bill on the sidewalk.

New York is reality, in the free world, 8 hour shifts, workers who are paid what they are worth, etc.

Yes, they do work 24/7 in 3 shifts, holidays are an exception.

And unlike Dubai (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/28/business/28markets.html?ref=global-business), the United States still manages to pay its debts.

in the free world, 8 hour shifts, workers who are paid what they are worth, etc.


fail.

if you look on the earth cam you can see part of a black crane for the memorial building.

And unlike Dubai (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/28/business/28markets.html?ref=global-business), the United States still manages to pay its debts.

Well actually, the US debt is $39102 per citizen versus $35366 per citizen in Dubai :|

But to be ontopic, personally I think it’s going really fast the past months. Perhaps that’s the beauty of such a big construction side, every day there is something new to see :)

QUestion: How tall is 90 Church Street, also known as the old post office building, brhing Freedom Tower?

Some stuff may happen today not much, windy way to windy, crane may finish though

PUTTING a new crane where the yellow crane was, behing tower 2 site!

Well actually, the US debt is $39102 per citizen versus $35366 per citizen in Dubai :|

But to be ontopic, personally I think it’s going really fast the past months. Perhaps that’s the beauty of such a big construction side, every day there is something new to see :)

On what data do you base this information? Can you quote exact reference or maybe a link to the data? From what I heard, USA's debt has exceeded 20 trillion in toxic assets which means the average liability for an american citizen would be approximately $67000 per citizen

Wind advisory until 12 for New Jersey, which is probably the same for New York.

God can someone make this subject go away forever.

China is almost a slave labor camp and Dubai is like a kid in a candy store that just found a $20 bill on the sidewalk.

New York is reality, in the free world, 8 hour shifts, workers who are paid what they are worth, etc.

Yes, they do work 24/7 in 3 shifts, holidays are an exception.

You're right about the slave camp and candy store, but the US is less free every day and the bureaucratic BS that goes on in this country and in this case, involving the construction and development process, is absurd and an abomination. There is no doubt that without government's oppressiveness, these towers would be completed by now.

A lot of new construction in Dubai and even China is superficial, but they seem to have more drive than we do. They have something to prove. We just drag things along concerned more about justifying stupid government jobs, political correctness and media grandstanding than actually acting like a leader and showing the rest of the world we aren't going away.

^^ The US is the most powerful and prosperous country in the world, and we have plenty of buildings being built! Would you rather be a slave in China or the UAE or actually have a good chance of being succsessful in the US?

Well actually, the US debt is $39102 per citizen versus $35366 per citizen in Dubai :|

But the US can pay it off, Dubai can't!

Can we please get back to TOPIC:

NEW YORK | 1WTC (Freedom Tower) | 541m | 1776ft | 108 fl | U/C :gunz:


anyway anybody know yet what crane will be going on east side ( model) ?

God can someone make this subject go away forever.

China is almost a slave labor camp and Dubai is like a kid in a candy store that just found a $20 bill on the sidewalk.

New York is reality, in the free world, 8 hour shifts, workers who are paid what they are worth, etc.

Yes, they do work 24/7 in 3 shifts, holidays are an exception.

Exactly what an american would say just shows how good the education is in the US bravo mister.

But the US can pay it off, Dubai can't!

For now but it will be a gigantic pain in the ass for "future generations" that's a fact.

Can we please get back to TOPIC:

NEW YORK | 1WTC (Freedom Tower) | 541m | 1776ft | 108 fl | U/C :gunz:


anyway anybody know yet what crane will be going on east side ( model) ?

True i'm sorry for getting out of the topic but when you see ignorant americans insulting the rest of the world and speaking nonsense in an international forum it is hard not to say anything.

^^ The US is the most powerful and prosperous country in the world, and we have plenty of buildings being built! Would you rather be a slave in China or the UAE or actually have a good chance of being succsessful in the US?

Hmm...I've seen comments like this similar on US Airforce/Military Youtube videos, nationalistic rhetoric. Heard it all before :yawn:

The site looks so vast and huge, hope to see this one sprining up.

Can we please get back to TOPIC:

NEW YORK | 1WTC (Freedom Tower) | 541m | 1776ft | 108 fl | U/C :gunz:


anyway anybody know yet what crane will be going on east side ( model) ?

16000 or 18000...We'll find out very soon...:)

Oh god enough with the politics you guys. If you're American and want to prove yourself to the world, don't bash other countries.

To close these jingoistic rants off here's an on (and off) topic fact

Completed or not, the Burj Dubai is the tallest man made structure on earth

To close these jingoistic rants off here's an on (and off) topic fact

Completed or not, the Burj Dubai is the tallest man made structure on earth

Burj Dubai was designed by Adrian Smith from Chicago based SOM, also constructed by South Korean's Samsung, and the Belgian company Besix. Arabtec, the only Arab construction company involved, also participated. The construction was managed by an American company called Turner Construction.

BD may have been paid for by Dubai (Emaar), but there's a lot of American and other countries fingerprints on it.

Sorry, I couldn't resist. Now let's get back on topic.

The south fountain steel and decking is coming along well. Should be finished in a couple of months. Also a lot more south side perimeter steel has been installed. Building out the floors is getting a little quicker each time they build one.

Anymore off-topic discussion and politics by the next member will result in a brig for 3 days, no joke. Make a new thread, discuss that elsewhere.

QUestion: How tall is 90 Church Street, also known as the old post office building, brhing Freedom Tower?

Some stuff may happen today not much, windy way to windy, crane may finish though

PUTTING a new crane where the yellow crane was, behing tower 2 site!

It's 78 meters/256 feet.

Does anyone know how tall the original 6WTC was? I know it was 8 stories but I can't find the actual number of feet/meters anywhere. Just wondering since I'm sure the new 1WTC (which sits on the site of the original 6WTC) is either approaching the same height as it or may have already surpassed it.

Looks like someone has pointed a spotlight right towards the cam. You can barely see something on the east side of the tower at the moment.

There was like zero progress today. But the new crane tower went up a bit I think.

Looks like someone has pointed a spotlight right towards the cam. You can barely see something on the east side of the tower at the moment.

There was like zero progress today. But the new crane tower went up a bit I think.

Well winds were ferocious 60 mph at one point, maybe some work tomorrow?

Today

* New steel on South Pool especially lefts ide check it out on webcam
* New crane i think either a 160000 or 180000 behind tower 2 ite up
*................i think thats it:bash:

Well winds were ferocious 60 mph at one point, maybe some work tomorrow?

Today

* New steel on South Pool especially lefts ide check it out on webcam
* New crane i think either a 160000 or 180000 behind tower 2 ite up
*................i think thats it:bash:

Also continued demolition of the PAth Hub roof.

A few from yesterday, November 28, 2009:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2788/4141805411_84e3bf10fd_b.jpg (”http://www.flickr.com/photos/bostoncitywalk/4141805411/”)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2658/4141805405_654361719a_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bostoncitywalk/4141805405/)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2785/4141805399_14847482b3_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bostoncitywalk/4141805399/)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2641/4141805395_fc253e4708_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bostoncitywalk/4141805395/)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2800/4142540894_0ccc3d607a_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bostoncitywalk/4142540894/)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2696/4142540892_cf48557f0f_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bostoncitywalk/4142540892/)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2664/4142540886_484f22cfa7_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bostoncitywalk/4142540886/)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2741/4142540878_11ebdabbf8_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bostoncitywalk/4142540882/http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2520/4142540882_7940e5bfdf_b.jpg[/URL]

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http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2702/4142540876_c4d1dbcd31_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bostoncitywalk/4142540876/)

Check out my full set of photos of the Freedom Tower under construction HERE. (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bostoncitywalk/sets/72157611809401970/)

BOSTONCITYWALK (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bostoncitywalk/sets/72157611809401970/)

wow this has to be the worlds slowest project, i've been checking this every 6 months or so and not much progress

There is much progress.. Remember 9/11? They are building all this stuff underground so less people will die if such a thing happens again. This tower will be safer, more high tech and taller. That's why it's taking so long.

wow this has to be the worlds slowest project, i've been checking this every 6 months or so and not much progress

Wow, you are the first person to admit this :bash: Come on, if you have no patience don't come here. There has been much progress. You think they can just start building after 9/11. They have to clean the area first, but before they did that they needed to investigate it. Then they needed to make a design (choose a design). It takes time. Be happy that there is something u/c.

Are they working in night shifts? At the moment at 5am they are putting the crane cabin on top of the new crane.

Are they working in night shifts? At the moment at 5am they are putting the crane cabin on top of the new crane.

I know i was about to ask the same question! Well at leat something i getting done!:banana:

thanks for photos looks awesome..

...I dont want to read something about the Liebherr crane anymore. I think its annoying for everyone, ok?..

...Come on, if you have no patience don't come here...

and other ones talking like above...
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Hey, guys... Do you have some problems with patience to pluralism? It looks that you hate all critical view points on the construction process...
No criticism means no democracy!

So, what's wrong with you?!.

@Bohdan Astro
It was just offtopic and bored me to discuss the pro and cons and economical feasibility of certain cranes. To be honest, I skipped most of your posts.

SSC a democracy, don't make me laugh. :lol:

Anyway, I hope that there will be some quiet weather for New York the coming weeks, all these windy days aren't really helping the construction.

Thanks for the updates. :cheers:

Great updates, thecitywalker:applause:

@Bohdan Astro
It was just offtopic and bored me to discuss the pro and cons and economical feasibility of certain cranes. To be honest, I skipped most of your posts.

Are you really moderator here? :)

Of course I am not. :lol: But it was nice of you to stop with that argument anyway.

Bad weather tomorrow and thursday

Today
Nov 29
Mostly Sunny
58°
47°
10% of rain

Mon
Nov 30
Showers
52°
34°
50% of rain

Tue
Dec 1
Partly Cloudy
47°
36°
10%

Wed
Dec 2
Cloudy
51°
45°
20%

Thu
Dec 3
Showers
49°
31°
60%

Fri
Dec 4
Partly Cloudy
42°
32°
20%

Of course I am not. :lol: But it was nice of you to stop with that argument anyway.

My question (Are you really moderator here?) is just sarcasm...

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I did find some new alternative to Manitowoc crawler cranes on the construction site:
http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/3901/bohdan-astro.11/0_1e569_bb168717_orig
from
http://forum.bauforum24.biz

5th floor millennium cam now showing new red crawler crane instead of wtc1?

http://www.earthcam.com/swf/cam_player/enlarge_image.php?type=live&path=http://63.229.55.21/ec_metros/ourcams/milleniumhilton1.jpg&name=World%20Trade%20Center%20&width=640&height=480&img_width=320&img_height=240


^^^^ great photos. love the crane artwork

For Christs sake stop it already!!

Bohdan Astro if you don't stop you'll be banned...

Now..Back on toppic already...

All I can see on the east side is one little crawler...What happend with the biggest crane till now? :)

and other ones talking like above...
----------------------------------------------------

Hey, guys... Do you have some problems with patience to pluralism? It looks that you hate all critical view points on the construction process...
No criticism means no democracy!

So, what's wrong with you?!.

Well perhaps because in every single page of the 11000 above, somebody is wining about the lack of speed? :ohno:
I'm convinced that whey'll speed up when the lowest part is done and all floors are the same.

5th floor millennium cam now showing new red crawler crane instead of wtc1?

http://www.earthcam.com/swf/cam_player/enlarge_image.php?type=live&path=http://63.229.55.21/ec_metros/ourcams/milleniumhilton1.jpg&name=World%20Trade%20Center%20&width=640&height=480&img_width=320&img_height=240

It showing the crane on the east side, 1wtc, center of the site and the crane on the south pool...:)

http://www.earthcam.com/clients/groundzero/groundZero.swf

They are lifting the boom for the center crane at the moment.

Finally the tower is rising.

The new crane is operating now!

Excellent pics Thecitywalker. Thanks for posting.

When should the Path roof be fully demolished?

Will it effect the construction of freedom any?

So slow... :ohno::ohno:
In 2020 they finish the construction...

Nah, it'll be a lot earlier than that :)

Anyone know what kind of self rising formwork will be used for the core? This seems like a situation where they will need the DOKA style that was designed for use with cores where the steel rises ahead of the core.

The extended part of the crawlers path is almost gone...:)

The extended part of the crawlers path is almost gone...:)

Yeah, it looks like they just needed the crawler to put up the new crane. Now the crawler can focus again on the real important things.^^

Yeah, it looks like they just needed the crawler to put up the new crane. Now the crawler can focus again on the real important things.^^

It's amazing how so much around the WTC is just temporary. Things are constantly installed, then removed, repositioned, etc. It's obviously necessary, but I shudder to think all the man hours expended.

So slow... :ohno::ohno:
In 2020 they finish the construction...

uhhh... that's not going to happen... some insiders are predicting the possibility of it opening in mid-2011! it will mostlikely open mid-2012 to early-2013

any images of how much has been built up to now???

any images of how much has been built up to now???

just scroll back a page or two. :ohno:

When should the Path roof be fully demolished?

Will it effect the construction of freedom any?

They only shut down one track (eastern most) which is allowing them to remove the roof over that track. They can't remove anymore of the roof unless they shut down the track first, and they obviously can't shut down more than one track at a time. Sooo... I'm guessing they'll have to construct the permanent roof over a particular track, then reopen it, then shut down the next track and remove the roof and construct the permanent one... and so on.

so far there is about 2 trucks delievering red steel this morning maybe a third behind the tower cant see it so well but another good steel day if they can put it up before nooon!:banana::banana:

so far there is about 2 trucks delievering red steel this morning maybe a third behind the tower cant see it so well but another good steel day if they can put it up before nooon!:banana::banana:

And that's why I love Mondays...Every Monday new steel...:)

For some reason I had a dream last night that this was about 20 floors up and everyone was shocked at how quickly it had increased in height
And that's why I love Mondays...Every Monday new steel...

Decent work done today, i get more excited everyday! More progress should be done by thursday, cuz terrible windy and rainy weather will be moving in:ohno:

Looks sunny this morning!

Looks like at least 2 more truck loads of steel, wow did no one have anything to say yesterday there was 1 post! Well weather is good for today!:banana:

Looks, like they use the current floor to store all the newly arrived steel. The beams look like connections for the outer perimeter to the core.

A little off-topic maybe, but steel has officially started going up for 4WTC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/488/picture285l.jpg
GreenwichBoy, Wired New York

^^
Indeed, I'm very excited!! Can't wait to watch that one go up! :)

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A little off-topic maybe, but steel has officially started going up for 4WTC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/488/picture285l.jpg
GreenwichBoy, Wired New York

:lol: I wonder which one's going to be finished first; 4 WTC or 1 WTC?

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/5474/december2nd.jpg
From today lot of progresss being made everyday

From today lot of progresss being made everyday, i say 4 wtc may catch up! Oh and breaking news i heared they Silverstein either got 2.6 billion or million for one tower today!

Huh? Where did you hear that??

Huh? Where did you hear that??



http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20091202/us_nm/us_worldtradecenter_bonds_1

A $2.6 billion tax-free bond sale for World Trade Center developer Larry Silverstein was approved on Wednesday by a state economic agency though the rebuilding of the shattered complex remains stalled.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20091202/us_nm/us_worldtradecenter_bonds_1

A $2.6 billion tax-free bond sale for World Trade Center developer Larry Silverstein was approved on Wednesday by a state economic agency though the rebuilding of the shattered complex remains stalled.

:cheers::banana::cheers::banana::cheers:...if true!

(I'll wait for an official press release, maybe I'm wrong, but it sounds too good to be true. :lol:)

By the time the new WTC is finished, i think that Dubai will have a tower that already topped the everest.

By the time the new WTC is finished, i think that Dubai will have a tower that already topped the everest.

Yes yes, because we're all seeing how well their unrestrained building is working out for them now.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20091202/us_nm/us_worldtradecenter_bonds_1

A $2.6 billion tax-free bond sale for World Trade Center developer Larry Silverstein was approved on Wednesday by a state economic agency though the rebuilding of the shattered complex remains stalled.

That is unbelievably good news!! 2WTC could start construction sometime next year then! Or allow 4WTC to go full throttle again.

Maybe Silverstein will also get his $2.75 billion back from the PA and he could then start 3WTC as well.

That is unbelievably good news!! 2WTC could start construction sometime next year then! Or allow 4WTC to go full throttle again.

Maybe Silverstein will also get his $2.75 billion back from the PA and he could then start 3WTC as well.

Does this sound like a plausible article to you? You’re sure there's no catch? :lol:

Does this sound like a plausible article to you? You’re sure there's no catch? :lol:

The article is published by Reuters. I think their pretty credible.

I don't doubt there maybe a catch. Maybe the fact that SP is getting 2.6 billion from these bonds, they won't get their 2.75 billion back from the PA in their arbitration dispute. That wouldn't surprise me at all.

HOLY FUCK

smallest tower wins the battle. Everybody knows that tower 4 should finish first. It will be the tallest building in low manhattan but that won't last long

Yes yes, because we're all seeing how well their unrestrained building is working out for them now

boo-ya

HOLY FUCK

I am so excited too! Retail stumps are completely disgraceful to the miracle that is building space in lower manhattan (not to mention the dead and wounded from the attacks etc etc) All available space in manhattan needs to be used, and not just left to sit! Even a public park is better than a stump.

Looks like we wont have to deal with that sick nightmare though! YAY

Cool.. it start to pick up:) I cant wait to see it completed.

I think they've publicly said as much that Tower 2 will be going up first if he gets the funding. Tower 3 will have to wait.

Tower 4 is pretty much a certainty and if it doesn't get built then the site plan itself is in jeopardy.

I think they've publicly said as much that Tower 2 will be going up first if he gets the funding. Tower 3 will have to wait.

Tower 4 is pretty much a certainty and if it doesn't get built then the site plan itself is in jeopardy.


Anymore, I believe so little that comes out of Larry Silverstein's mouth. He's always angling for more money, more payouts, more public largesse. Only the Port Authority could make that guy seem credible by comparison. ;)

4 trucks delievered this morning 2 on the west side and 2 on east side so wind advisory is over at 11

I think they've publicly said as much that Tower 2 will be going up first if he gets the funding. Tower 3 will have to wait.

Tower 4 is pretty much a certainty and if it doesn't get built then the site plan itself is in jeopardy.


I wish they had started tower 2 before tower 4. Tower 2 IMO is much more iconic. I know this doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of this entire project, but if anything happens financially, I would rather have the more distinctive structures. (I do like all of the towers, just some more than others)

^^ The rental rates across the buildings will be similar. They are all Class A office towers and will demand the same rents that the rest of the area for that type get.

It all has to do with the fact that the PA from the beginning had signed a lease in tower 4. Why build tower 2 or 3 when there are no leases signed for those buildings?

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When do they start to build the outer walls/windows?

^^ What are your sources for that? I am just curious because two years ago Silverstein was asking between 65 and 80 per sqft at 7 WTC and many thought that was too much.

Liberty Bonds by Christmas?
N.Y. Agency Plans $2.6 Billion Deal
Thursday, December 3, 2009
By Ted Phillips

The Liberty Development Corp. plans to market $2.59 billion of tax-exempt Liberty Bonds before Christmas for development at the World Trade Center site in order to meet a year-end deadline.

The bonds will be sold to partially finance construction of three office towers with 6.2 million square feet of office space that Silverstein Properties Inc. plans to build on the site.

Due to delays and legal wrangling at the site, the bond proceeds will be put into escrow because the proceeds can’t be used right away for construction.

Following the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, Congress created the Liberty Bond program, which authorized $8 billion of private-activity bonds to revitalize Lower Manhattan. The program, which was extended once before, expires on Dec. 31. New York City and New York State officials have sought an extension of the program through Congress, but with no guarantee that an extension would happen, the LDC, which is a subsidiary of the Empire State Development Corp., decided to meet the deadline.

The LDC plans to market the bonds the week of either Dec. 14 or Dec. 21. The bonds are still subject to a public hearing and require approval from Gov. David Paterson and Mayor Michael Bloomberg, which is expected.

Goldman, Sachs & Co. is underwriter. Winston & Strawn LLP is bond counsel.

Silverstein, which holds a lease to the site, is in arbitration proceedings with the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, the site’s owner. The developer has sought greater public financial support for the office towers due to the delays at the site and the economic downturn, but the Port Authority and Paterson were unwilling to give Larry Silverstein, the company’s owner, everything he wanted. Closing arguments in the arbitration are scheduled for this month.

The Port Authority was allocated $700 million of Liberty Bonds to be issued by the New York City Industrial Development Agency for the development of the Freedom Tower, but it is unlikely that those bonds will be issued by the end of the year.

Spokesman Steve Coleman said the authority wants to get an extension on the Liberty Bonds and would not comment on the “hypothetical situation” of issuing the bonds before the end of the year.
http://www.bondbuyer.com/issues/118_231/liberty-bonds-world-trade-center-1004549-1.html

First let me say I know little about skyscraper strength, but looking at these old pictures of the original to the WTC1 structure we see today, which one looks stronger?

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=419362&page=36

:ohno::ohno:is the HD cam froze again?!?!?!:bash: Cuz i have een the same pic since 12

First let me say I know little about skyscraper strength, but looking at these old pictures of the original to the WTC1 structure we see today, which one looks stronger?


Well there is A LOT of concrete that still has to be poured at 1WTC, you haven’t seen anything yet.

First let me say I know little about skyscraper strength, but looking at these old pictures of the original to the WTC1 structure we see today, which one looks stronger?

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=419362&page=36

Yeah, I wouldn't quit your day job. It has nothing to do with "which looks stronger," because the new building is a completely different type of construction. You can't compare the amount of steel in the new building to the old one, let alone the strength of the steel.

When do they start to build the outer walls/windows?

The curtainwall installation will begin later next year.

Is it just me or did Freedom Tower just added three floors within one week already!?!?

I doubt there'll be much difference in lease costs between the 1-4WTC. If anything they'll be determined by who the tenant is (public vs. private). Their will be some difference between those on higher floors vs those on the lower floors.

I believe the PA's lease in 4WTC is set at $59 sq ft. Not sure the rates of 1WTC. I know NYC gave a subsidy of $3.80 per sq ft for the first million or so sq ft leased in 1WTC. 7WTC was given a $2.50 per sq ft subsidy for the first 700,000 sq ft leased. I think that went to Moody's, who leases most of the lower half of 7WTC.

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What are those folded wooden-looking things surrounding the base of the 4 frontmost supercolumns? They look like some kind of strange umbrella or something.

What are those folded wooden-looking things surrounding the base of the 4 frontmost supercolumns? They look like some kind of strange umbrella or something.

It is an umbrella. So they can do welding in the rain.

wow nice

Yes yes, because we're all seeing how well their unrestrained building is working out for them now.

That is the normal phase of the economic cycle. Don't worry, by 2020 they will have about 40 buildings taller than this one.

First let me say I know little about skyscraper strength, but looking at these old pictures of the original to the WTC1 structure we see today, which one looks stronger?

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=419362&page=36

It's what you can't see that makes Tower One so much stronger than the Twins.
For example, the grade of steel used in the Twins was ASTM A36 mild steel. Widely used at the time for buildings.
Tower One uses ASTM A572, A992 and A993, all are at least twice as strong as A36.
The Twins used little re-enforced concrete ( in the floor slabs mostly) where as Tower One is nothing but re-enforced concrete below grade (except the perimeter columns)

And last but most important, the Twins had steel cores with drywall fireproofing where Tower One has a 3 foot thick steel re-enforced concrete core.

What are those folded wooden-looking things surrounding the base of the 4 frontmost supercolumns? They look like some kind of strange umbrella or something.

Dude. It's to protect the steel from all the pickles falling from the Subway trailer! C'mon.

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LMAO, good one !

When is the subway trailer supposed to go in, anyway?

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Wow! Steel above ground in TWO places! I don't think it gets any sweeter than that. :)

^^
Yeah, it's posted on the last 1-2 pages. Hopefully this is finally the news we've been waiting for!

It's interesting that they mention funding all three of Silverstein's towers. I wonder if they'd spread out the bond money for all three and get private financing to pay for the rest. All three together must cost $6-7 billion total.

That is the normal phase of the economic cycle. Don't worry, by 2020 they will have about 40 buildings taller than this one.

Of course they will.

I'm like ecstatic about 2WTC and 3WTC. And it's awesome that 4WTC has core steel going up. And lastly, 1WTC is growing pretty fast. :D

That is the normal phase of the economic cycle. Don't worry, by 2020 they will have about 40 buildings taller than this one.

It's a normal phase for the US economy, not the rest of the world. We've been here before, almost everyone else hasn't. We've only been here before because North America has been a stable continent for the last 100 years. That certainly does mean the rest of the world will stay that way just because the US will. Dubai itself is inevitably on decline already, because I think most people see how stupid their whole plan is now. There is not nearly enough in that region to hold a city like Dubai together. I don’t expect nearly as many supertall skyscrapers from them in the future, I don’t expect nearly as many to be announced in the next decade, especially with their credit market going down the tubes. They’re getting more and more expensive and risky to build.

Popularity surge in this thread now. Just as i expected. Soon to become the most popular thread in SSC, the Burj Dubai is loosing ground.

I walked around the Whole lower Manhattan area a couple of weeks ago(Canyon of Heroes, WTC, WFC, and battery Park) and i was suprised to see that things are really starting to pick up in the WTC project. The whole Lower Manhattan area is like being remodeled, its nice to see redevelopment. New York is definitely the best!;)

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Imn the pic below, I noticed that the center vertical beam in the tridents are not "plumb". Seems strange. I guess there is an engineering reason for it.^^

It's because the south entrance is so large.

freedom tower should be up... its a landmark that will last forever ..

It's what you can't see that makes Tower One so much stronger than the Twins.
For example, the grade of steel used in the Twins was ASTM A36 mild steel. Widely used at the time for buildings.
Tower One uses ASTM A572, A992 and A993, all are at least twice as strong as A36.
The Twins used little re-enforced concrete ( in the floor slabs mostly) where as Tower One is nothing but re-enforced concrete below grade (except the perimeter columns)

And last but most important, the Twins had steel cores with drywall fireproofing where Tower One has a 3 foot thick steel re-enforced concrete core.

dont forget that the twins used lightweight trusses for their floors and the freedom tower will use steel beams, also the floors are welded and bolted instead of just bolted.