What always just kills me about these forums, especially the poltically-charged ones such as the new WTC, is how so many people get on here just to bicker and fight with each other over ridiculous minute details. Who cares who's the best? Who cares who's got the highest density? Who cares whose buildings are prettier and blah blah blah. I love New York. I'll be the first to say it. The reason I check these forums is to see how the city is doing and how construction is going, but so often I find page after page of people rambling about ridiculous nonsense! Grow up and find something better to do than sitting at your computer picking arguments with other cyber people. Let the forums be for polite conversation, discussion, and photo sharing. I thought that was the point.

(Steps off soap box)

Anyway, I am so proud of NYC. I can't wait to watch the DT skyline transform. This will hopefully help reinvigorate the area, and it'll be so pleasant once all the construction has ceased. I was there in March and it was so noisy and dusty! I anxiously wait for 1WTC to rise above ground. Go NYC!

Go NYC indeed! If there's a city in the world that deserves world class projects like this right now, it's New York. Once this tower is built, everyone will shut up and be awe-struck by it because it's not only 1WTC that will make the area what it is, but it's also the memorial, surrounding parkland, the new transit station and other buildings in the complex. When all these elements finally come together, the new WTC site will be perfect. Everything compliments each other so well!

Looks like the boom on the second crane is going up today.

http://www.earthcam.net/users2/interface.php?i=0&id=445&projectid=202&clientid=158

What always just kills me about these forums, especially the poltically-charged ones such as the new WTC, is how so many people get on here just to bicker and fight with each other over ridiculous minute details. Who cares who's the best? Who cares who's got the highest density? Who cares whose buildings are prettier and blah blah blah. I love New York. I'll be the first to say it. The reason I check these forums is to see how the city is doing and how construction is going, but so often I find page after page of people rambling about ridiculous nonsense! Grow up and find something better to do than sitting at your computer picking arguments with other cyber people. Let the forums be for polite conversation, discussion, and photo sharing. I thought that was the point.

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I guess thats what happens when youve got all these international people all over the place. They are getting some nice sleek modern tower in their city so they try to take away from other cities, or they just dont like certain countries, etc.

Since Dubai is the number one skyscraper city today, this isn't that big news. That looks quite nice yes, but the design should be bolder. For ex. BD has an unique design. This tower fits to NY well tho.

Since Dubai is the number one skyscraper city today, this isn't that big news. That looks quite nice yes, but the design should be bolder. For ex. BD has an unique design. This tower fits to NY well tho.

dubai isn't the number one SSC ;), for me it is still NY ( probably forever ).

What always just kills me about these forums, especially the poltically-charged ones such as the new WTC, is how so many people get on here just to bicker and fight with each other over ridiculous minute details. Who cares who's the best? Who cares who's got the highest density? Who cares whose buildings are prettier and blah blah blah. I love New York. I'll be the first to say it. The reason I check these forums is to see how the city is doing and how construction is going, but so often I find page after page of people rambling about ridiculous nonsense! Grow up and find something better to do than sitting at your computer picking arguments with other cyber people. Let the forums be for polite conversation, discussion, and photo sharing. I thought that was the point.

(Steps off soap box)

Anyway, I am so proud of NYC. I can't wait to watch the DT skyline transform. This will hopefully help reinvigorate the area, and it'll be so pleasant once all the construction has ceased. I was there in March and it was so noisy and dusty! I anxiously wait for 1WTC to rise above ground. Go NYC!
^^
yes!!!! i totally agree! sometimes its like kindergarden when i read the posts here... we should be closer to topic and if we have questions- FIRST read the pages before, than asking everything 20 times!!!:nuts:
and please- leave dubai ect out of this thread... this is ONE WTC!!! USA!!! not the emirates!

A second crane, that's cool. I hope the tower will rise soon, can't wait till this part of NYC becomes city again.

Quality over quantity definitely rules here. NY and Chicago are getting beautiful calatrava, foster, rogers etc towers and already have historic empire state, chrysler and dubai gets endless tacky crap, they are welcome to it!

Since Dubai is the number one skyscraper city today, this isn't that big news. .

so....since dubai is building so many skyscrapers, any other country's buildings dont matter? you're an idiot.

Hm the crane is almost complete :O

:ohno:

Okay here we are:

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Since Dubai is the number one skyscraper city today, this isn't that big news. That looks quite nice yes, but the design should be bolder. For ex. BD has an unique design. This tower fits to NY well tho.

You deserve a smack in the mouth. New York will always be number 1 for skyscrapers.

So maybe I'm dumb, but what does a second crane mean? Are the cranes being used yet or are they just being made ready for use when the time comes?

Since Dubai is the number one skyscraper city today, this isn't that big news. That looks quite nice yes, but the design should be bolder. For ex. BD has an unique design. This tower fits to NY well tho.

dont know if they are number one on any website or in many peoples opinion...i agree they have been building at an alarming and very fast rate...however they still have only 10yrs of expirence in this department, where as HK...NYC...CHICAGO...BUENOS ARIES...and many other have had skyscrapers for the last 50yrs

^ NY and Chicago have been building skyscrapers for over 100 years.

Since Dubai is the number one skyscraper city today, this isn't that big news.

Perhaps you need to stop seeing too many amature new Indian movies.

Since Dubai is the number one skyscraper city today, this isn't that big news. That looks quite nice yes, but the design should be bolder. For ex. BD has an unique design. This tower fits to NY well tho.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: The difference between ny and dubao: Ny will always be building and growing whereas Dubai probably won't. For ex. Ny has been doing this shit for far longer and will be doing it for far longer long after Dubai stops which I am guessing will be sometime next decade. Guess what it takes a long time to gather up population and have continuous steady growth. Being built on the "chance of" isn't exactly the same thing. I'm betting on nothing coming to fruition over there. :cheers: Cheers!

Since Dubai is the number one skyscraper city today, this isn't that big news. That looks quite nice yes, but the design should be bolder. For ex. BD has an unique design. This tower fits to NY well tho.

This is New York not Dubai. Please STFU and focus on WTC complex. :ohno:

http://www.downtownexpress.com/de_209/lookoutbelow.html
Volume 20, Number 1 | May 18 - 24, 2007

Look out below! Billions worth of building down at the W.T.C.

By Josh Rogers

Anthony Shorris pulls out a picture of the barren World Trade Center site from January 2006 as he raises his voice to talk over the noise created by the cranes and other equipment now working on the entire 16-acre sunken area.

“This is why people believed that nothing was happening,” Shorris, the Port Authority’s new executive director, said as he pointed to the picture. Now there’s about 500 people working on what is becoming an increasingly busy and crowded site. Shorris and Steve Plate, the Port’s director of W.T.C. construction, revealed two new details about the site’s plans during a tour they gave to Downtown Express last Thursday:

• If JPMorgan Chase makes a deal to build headquarters with large trading floors cantilevered over Liberty St. at the Tower 5 site, the extension will not cast any additional shadows on the small park planned for the southwest corner of the site.

• Only part of the memorial plaza will open in September 2009, the targeted completion date for the entire memorial.

“A portion of the plaza will open in 2009,” Plate said. “The museum will be a year or two after that.”
Plate said officials haven’t decided precisely where and how big the initial plaza area will be, and whether or not any of the plaza trees will be planted by 2009. The phased opening could relieve one looming problem in the current plans – finding a place for tour buses to park during the memorial’s first two years when the largest crowds, an estimated 7 million a year, will visit.


An underground garage is planned near the Tower 5 site, but construction on that can’t begin until the gradual dismantling of the former Deutsche Building is completed, perhaps by the end of this year.
Plate said the so-called bus gap problem contributed to the delay decision but it was not the only factor — it is also difficult to coordinate the opening of different components of the project, he said. The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which owns the site, is responsible for the construction of the memorial, train station and slurry walls needed to build the office towers. It will take control of the Freedom Tower after W.T.C. developer Larry Silverstein completes it at the end of 2011, under the current schedule.

Given the history of W.T.C. redevelopment, officials continue to be sensitive about acknowledging delays. The Port let Plate’s comments about the memorial stand for five days, until Downtown Express asked the W.T.C. Memorial Foundation for a comment about them. Within hours of the call, Steve Coleman, a Port spokesperson, contradicted Plate, the agency’s construction director, and said the entire memorial — the plaza, trees and the sunken reflecting pools at the footprints of the Twin Towers — would be completed in 2009. Coleman agreed the underground memorial museum will be finished a year or two later.


The foundation is a private organization whose chairperson is Mayor Mike Bloomberg. It is close to meeting its $350 million fundraising goal to help finish construction of the memorial, which it will run.
Officials also have not given up on solving the bus parking problem before the garage is built. Memorial Foundation staffers told Community Board 1 they have formed a committee with the Port, Silverstein, and the city Dept. of Transportation to look for a solution. The foundation also said the garage will not be finished until 2012, but the Port says it remains on schedule for an opening early in 2011.

Construction costs

Plate and Shorris said even with skyrocketing construction costs, they have so far managed to stay within the memorial’s budget but they added it was a fragile position since only 20 percent of the project has been contracted out.

“It’s not like nobody thought of inflation,” Plate said. Frank Sciame, a construction analyst who was recruited by the mayor and Gov. George Pataki to find cost savings in the memorial, was able to cut $285 million last year with only modest changes to the design, bringing the total price tag to $768 million. Sciame built in the rising costs as part of his estimate. In addition, the Port and the Lower Manhattan Development Corp. have set aside $90 million to cover cost overruns.

The Port’s leaders said buying steel and concrete has become like buying in a commodities market, and a nationwide construction slowdown does not help prices because they are competing with China and the rest of the world for materials.

Construction contracts for the Freedom Tower, which the Port is paying Silverstein to build, are about 50 percent completed so it is safer from cost overruns than the memorial. More and more steel is rising from the ground on the 1,776-foot tower, expected to become the world’s tallest building.

Shorris said progress on the site is exactly where it should be, but there are three steps needed before the reality reaches the public. The first has been taken — getting actual work underway. The second will come shortly — having cranes below street level — visible to passersby. The third should come next year when much of the site will be built up to street level and people can monitor the work themselves.

The Port is a bi-state agency created by Congress and is also responsible for the PATH commuter lines and many of the region’s tunnels and bridges. When Shorris was asked how much of his time he is spending on the W.T.C., he quickly said “ a lot,” before mentioning the man who hired him a few months ago to run the Port, Gov. Eliot Spitzer.

“There’s $16 billion worth of construction on 16 acres and we have a lot of emotional ties because we lost so many people…,” he said referring to the 84 Port employees killed on Sept. 11, 2001. “The governor asks about it constantly. Eliot’s been on the site a few times.”

By tradition, the New Jersey governor selects the Port’s chairperson and the New York governor picks the executive director.

Last year, the Port and city were concerned that Silverstein did not have the money to build the entire site and the agency renegotiated its long-term lease with the developer. Silverstein agreed to give up control of the two least valuable parcels — the Freedom Tower site and Tower 5 — some of the insurance money, and some of the tax-free Liberty Bonds, in exchange for retaining the rights to the three office sites and retail space on Church St. The Port is building the eastern “bathtub” slurry wall and must have the Tower 3 and 4 sites ready for Silverstein by Jan. 1, or pay him $300,000 a day while it finishes up.

Shorris said they are on track to have the sites ready right on time, which means one setback could trigger expensive fines. “That’s what we lose a lot of sleep over — delivering the site on time,” he said.

"More and more steel is rising from the ground on the 1,776-foot tower, expected to become the world’s tallest building."

:hilarious:, where he got that information??

"More and more steel is rising from the ground on the 1,776-foot tower, expected to become the world’s tallest building."

:hilarious:, where he got that information??

If you watch the cam you'll see he's right. slowly but surely the foundation is taking shape. everyday you'll see steel being installed and concrete being poured at the former WTC site.
But becomming world tallest building; no, not really :bash:

:banana: Today: Two freestanding cranes :banana:
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http://freenet-homepage.de/tobyas333/newyorkfreedommai18.jpg

I love old World Trade Center :)

I love old World Trade Center :)

:ohno:

looks like they're finally getting their BAD WORD together.

So, will this be above street level at the end of the year?

looks like they're finally getting their BAD WORD together.

So, will this be above street level at the end of the year?


Yes, the question is.....what year? :nuts:

hopefully this year. i think it'll begin to rise when all cranes are up

so....since dubai is building so many skyscrapers, any other country's buildings dont matter? you're an idiot.

Geez. Relax buddies! I say something negative or neutral about USA and there's 15 replies all telling me to shut up. Yes there's a lot more skyscrapers in NYC than in Dubai, but the difference is that in Dubai the towers look much better (probably cuz they're newer but anyway). And there's not room for new towers to get build in the big cities of USA. Sure Americans have much longer skyscraper history but I believe the towers of Dubai will be as durable as in the States. Don't get me wrong, I would still visit USA rather than Dubai.

Is it possible that u are just envious to Dubai just because it will have the highest tower and is the fastest growing city?

If U want find room,there is always.I 've always want manhattan expand a little,to queen or bruk,then keep going til the long beach...

Geez. Relax buddies! I say something negative or neutral about USA and there's 15 replies all telling me to shut up. Yes there's a lot more skyscrapers in NYC than in Dubai, but the difference is that in Dubai the towers look much better (probably cuz they're newer but anyway). And there's not room for new towers to get build in the big cities of USA. Sure Americans have much longer skyscraper history but I believe the towers of Dubai will be as durable as in the States. Don't get me wrong, I would still visit USA rather than Dubai.

Is it possible that u are just envious to Dubai just because it will have the highest tower and is the fastest growing city?

The problem is, you came in here are announced that the project was "no big deal" because it's not in Dubai. What does Dubai have to do with New York? They are two very different cities on opposite sides of the planet.

And another thing. The new WTC is HUGELY important. It's not just another skyscraper.....It is the replacement for the disaster of 9/11. That makes it much more than just a building.

If you don't think it's important, then stay in the Dubai threads and leave this one alone.

Geez. Relax buddies! I say something negative or neutral about USA and there's 15 replies all telling me to shut up. Yes there's a lot more skyscrapers in NYC than in Dubai, but the difference is that in Dubai the towers look much better (probably cuz they're newer but anyway). And there's not room for new towers to get build in the big cities of USA. Sure Americans have much longer skyscraper history but I believe the towers of Dubai will be as durable as in the States. Don't get me wrong, I would still visit USA rather than Dubai.

Is it possible that u are just envious to Dubai just because it will have the highest tower and is the fastest growing city?

Wow! You're an idiot! You don't even know what you are talking about it! :ohno: Please leave us alone and go away! Stay in Dubai threads. Please do not bother to bash any cities! :bash: :bash: :bash:

If you talk that way even you're in USA, your ass will get kicked for sure! Never piss any Americans off period! :bash:

calm down!! this is his opinion, please accept this!

I like New York more. If you look at pics of the city you just get a good feeling. A beautiful city. Dubai is nice to but some skyscrapers i just don't like. And it's a whole new city so it needs time. New York has just beautiful old skyscrapers and now this new skyscrapers. Love them.

PS: I've never been in NYC but i want to go there once.

(Sorry if my English is bad)

calm down!! this is his opinion, please accept this!

its just about an opinion as saying "Jessica Alba is ugly" or "Porsches are pieces of crap."

definitely not! i know you americans hate it when anyone says something against the USA. but believe me: the USA aren't that "special" as the most americans believe ^^

So maybe I'm dumb, but what does a second crane mean? Are the cranes being used yet or are they just being made ready for use when the time comes?

I have a feeling thats whats up. Still alot of groundwork to be done. But im prolly wrong.

definitely not! i know you americans hate it when anyone says something against the USA. but believe me: the USA aren't that "special" as the most americans believe ^^

There are two things I absolutely despise when it comes to WTC. People who say Dubai is teh best (it isn't), and those who say they want the old twins back (not gonna happen). There is nothing about that that even resembles ultra-nationalism or what-may-have-you; you brought that up.

Just imagine if I posted on some random skyscraper going up in Dubai and I repeatedly spammed "this is crap/fugly/Chi-Spire is better." Wouldn't you be pissed?

I love old World Trade Center :)

Yeah me too. I think this is the only thread where I'm unhappy to see progress so I rarely check it. :(

Yeah me too. I think this is the only thread where I'm unhappy to see progress so I rarely check it. :(
I sadly agree. This is not the 'exclamation point' that the NYC skyline needs to replace the one that was lost. OTOH, I do and will continue to check this thread every day to see the progress and make commentary, anyways.

That is another reason why I'm so very excited about the tall-building construction activity in Chicago, too.

<sigh...>

Maybe if that idea 'leakage' about the MSG area comes to fruition....

Mike

The projects that will be happening in Midtown will most likely make the WTC look small.

The projects that will be happening in Midtown will most likely make the WTC look small.

What projects?

I wish all of you critics would shut up. All of you. Just don't post on this thread. Do you know what it's like for people who watched the towers fall to hear your fatuous idiocy?

And as for "the USA aren't that "special" as the most americans believe". It's not a superiority complex. Maybe you don't understand what happened. Go wikipedia it.

What projects?


The MSG project/Hotel Penn/Drake sites/Westside Project (the largest lot of land on Manhattan)/Brookfield/maybe the Con-Ed site (doubt it)/Hudson Yards/ect
In fact, a 90-story hotel was recently proposed for the Javits Center, but it has competition with another plan.

There's going to be a lot of supertalls for Midtown in the coming months. Hopefully, the Freedom Tower will not be tallest in NY for long.

The MSG project/Hotel Penn/Drake sites/Westside Project (the largest lot of land on Manhattan)/Brookfield/maybe the Con-Ed site (doubt it)/Hudson Yards/ect
In fact, a 90-story hotel was recently proposed for the Javits Center, but it has competition with another plan.

There's going to be a lot of supertalls for Midtown in the coming months. Hopefully, the Freedom Tower will not be tallest in NY for long.

Can you send me links to these projects? Are any approved ?

There are no official heights or renderings for any of those projects yet. Like with this project, we'll have to wait. As far as I know, nothing is approved.

its just about an opinion as saying "Jessica Alba is ugly" or "Porsches are pieces of crap."

Perception of beauty is subjetive, so why do you think Jessica Alba couldn´t be ugly to anyone???, please let people express their opinions and if you don´t like it don´t make a big deal of it, everyone thinks different. Saludos.

two points:

There are opinions that, even though could be valid as any other opinions, are just borderline stupid (i.e. Jessica Alba is ugly / NY skyline is ugly / Da Vinci sucks as a painter)

There are also opinions that shouldn't be said in particular places, or say the opinions and not get flak for it. Really, coming to a New York thread and proclaiming Dubai is better? You are bound to get some offended remarks, whether you like it or not!

Geez. Relax buddies! I say something negative or neutral about USA and there's 15 replies all telling me to shut up. Yes there's a lot more skyscrapers in NYC than in Dubai, but the difference is that in Dubai the towers look much better (probably cuz they're newer but anyway). And there's not room for new towers to get build in the big cities of USA. Sure Americans have much longer skyscraper history but I believe the towers of Dubai will be as durable as in the States. Don't get me wrong, I would still visit USA rather than Dubai.

Is it possible that u are just envious to Dubai just because it will have the highest tower and is the fastest growing city?
^The reason there are 15 replies telling you to shut up is because this thread is for the construction of 1WTC and that building only. This thread isn't a debate on who has better looking towers, higher density, etc. And no, most really don't care that much, we care about as much as other people in this world care about new American buildings. Don't get me wrong, I love most of the buildings going up in Dubai, but this simply isn't the place to discuss that.

calm down!! this is his opinion, please accept this!
^ I accept his opinion as many in this thread do. But once again you must realize, Dubai is NOT 1WTC so any comment about anything in Dubai, the BD, as well as the CS, Trump Chicago, or any other new American Skyscraper really has no place in this thread.

definitely not! i know you americans hate it when anyone says something against the USA. but believe me: the USA aren't that "special" as the most americans believe ^^
^ Oh please, we are no more proud than any other country. It's not our fault that our patriotism is shown on TV all the time and you misconstrew it. What I and many others hate is when people come onto a thread about the construction of 1 building in 1 city and say something that does not involve said construction of said building, especially when there are countless threads dedicated to the topics some people want to talk about.

Since some really seem to have a problem understanding where to discuss/agrue/b*tch about not having the twins, or how the BD is the tallest, or how there are billions of projects under construction in Dubai, or the Chicago Spire being the tallest in America, I'll help you out:
For all you Burj Dubai fanatics (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=466683)
For those that want the Twins back and won't face reality (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=378413)
For those that still think saying you don't like the FT will get you the Twins (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=321730)
Chicago Spire (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=434232)
Don't want to talk about BD? But want to talk about some other Dubai Skyscraper? Here's the place for you! (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=342928)
Now that those who come onto this thread to talk about bullcrap that has no connection to the construction of Freedom Tower/1WTC has links to threads that actually want to hear it, maybe we can get back to what this thread topic was created for.

It's so very nice to see those two cranes there, ready to get to work! GO 1WTC!:cheers:

Well put mudvayneimn! :banana:

its just about an opinion as saying "Jessica Alba is ugly" or "Porsches are pieces of crap."

two points:

There are opinions that, even though could be valid as any other opinions, are just borderline stupid (i.e. Jessica Alba is ugly / NY skyline is ugly / Da Vinci sucks as a painter)

There are also opinions that shouldn't be said in particular places, or say the opinions and not get flak for it. Really, coming to a New York thread and proclaiming Dubai is better? You are bound to get some offended remarks, whether you like it or not!

Well Da Vinci (in my opinion) doesn´t suck as a painter, others may think he did, but what I agree with you is that this is the wrong thread to talk abut Dubai and compare with NY, that´s obviously out of topic, saludos.

Stop with city VS city bash fests..... ~!!!!!!!!!!!

You cannot compare NY with Dubai.........

They are both completly different cities who`s beauty and style are BOTH extraordinary!!

The neo WTC complex is a good complex.... It is topquality!!!

The Burj Dubai complex is a good complex.... Topquality!!!

BOTH cities jump out in their own way!!

NY is beautifull because off its old brilliant monuments like the Chrysler building and ESB.... And its sphere and history!!!!

Dubai is beautifull because off its Grandistic Dare off inovation like the palm islands and the BD....


NY has a rich history...
Dubai is making history...

Both cities are nice....
stop this useless bashfest please because you destroy both their appeal by doing this...

i have done my word........

^^ I'm glad someone spoke up about this city bashing and comparing crap. Very well put might I add.

Hey this is really going well!
construction site looks clean, beams rising...

in the words of juelz santana (of NYC).."he's mooovin agaain"

EDIT: Forget about my post.

^The reason there are 15 replies telling you to shut up is because this thread is for the construction of 1WTC and that building only. This thread isn't a debate on who has better looking towers, higher density, etc. And no, most really don't care that much, we care about as much as other people in this world care about new American buildings. Don't get me wrong, I love most of the buildings going up in Dubai, but this simply isn't the place to discuss that.


^ I accept his opinion as many in this thread do. But once again you must realize, Dubai is NOT 1WTC so any comment about anything in Dubai, the BD, as well as the CS, Trump Chicago, or any other new American Skyscraper really has no place in this thread.


^ Oh please, we are no more proud than any other country. It's not our fault that our patriotism is shown on TV all the time and you misconstrew it. What I and many others hate is when people come onto a thread about the construction of 1 building in 1 city and say something that does not involve said construction of said building, especially when there are countless threads dedicated to the topics some people want to talk about.

Since some really seem to have a problem understanding where to discuss/agrue/b*tch about not having the twins, or how the BD is the tallest, or how there are billions of projects under construction in Dubai, or the Chicago Spire being the tallest in America, I'll help you out:
For all you Burj Dubai fanatics (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=466683)
For those that want the Twins back and won't face reality (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=378413)
For those that still think saying you don't like the FT will get you the Twins (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=321730)
Chicago Spire (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=434232)
Don't want to talk about BD? But want to talk about some other Dubai Skyscraper? Here's the place for you! (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=342928)
Now that those who come onto this thread to talk about bullcrap that has no connection to the construction of Freedom Tower/1WTC has links to threads that actually want to hear it, maybe we can get back to what this thread topic was created for.

It's so very nice to see those two cranes there, ready to get to work! GO 1WTC!:cheers:

Thankyou.

The fact that people come in here to bring up Dubai, and Bd and start this shit all over again shouldn't even be done in here. What happened to the automatic briggings for doing this?
Also I wonder why they don't bring up Dubai in the other american forums: Just nyc....

^^ Agreed. I noticed that. I think Dubaians felt threatened by NYC or USA for some reasons.

Alright. Please get back to the topic.

definitely not! i know you americans hate it when anyone says something against the USA. but believe me: the USA aren't that "special" as the most americans believe ^^

Thank you, I believe that's totally true. It wasn't an offence to u Americans, so don't take it as it would've been one. (and I don't think they would ban me for stating my opinion).

Let's get to the subject then. I still like NY and the 1WTC. The design fits to New York allthough it could've been bolder or more unique. I still think they should build twin towers there. It would not only honor the original WTC towers (and the victims) but also look better and more impressive. It would look nice if they built two of these 1WTCs side by side as the original were. After that there would still probably be room for one skyscraper which could be the 2WTC tower design-like tower.

Heh, you people are such babies, seriously. All I see on here is bitching and moaning about nationality and the Burj Dubai and who's better than whom... READ THE THREAD TITLE. THIS THREAD IS ABOUT 1WTC!!! Not about America or Dubai or you or me or whatever the hell else you people come up with. This is a thread about 1 WTC and its construction progress. SHUT UP AND GET ON TOPIC.

^^ :applause: :applause: :applause:

Any Supertall is not only business but policy too.

Very long time passed and I see nothing but I hope this year the tower finaly will begin to rise

dont they usually make some framework of the tower and then put the crane?

^^ I think about that too. I suspect that they decided to install cranes first then start the construction right away just make things easier. :dunno:

any new info on the site....wats the best source of info on the net...is it still the WTC web or NY state site?

:banana: Today: Two freestanding cranes :banana:
http://freenet-homepage.de/tobyas333/newyorkfreedom18mai2.gif
http://freenet-homepage.de/tobyas333/newyorkfreedommai18.jpg

Wow massive! So sad I have to go 3 pages back through nonsense about Dubai to find this update... but thanks for posting!

Since nobody has asked my questions, I will just ask them again, and please do not answer with personal attacks aimed at me.

1. Does anyone find it odd that the kangaroo cranes have errected prior to any actual foundation work being done?

2. How many skyscrapers had kangaroo cranes errected prior to the rising above ground level?

3. If the foundation is really being started on the FT, then why does a recent shot of it show a tractor near the six beams that are still standing there as well as other derrick cranes?

http://www.downtownexpress.com/de_210/wtc.gif

That does seem unusual to me as well. Good questions.

This may be a stupid question but why are the cranes placed so near to each other? Usually the cranes will go in either side of the building, or opposite sides of the core, but never one besides the other.

^^ Perhaps each crane will work 180 degree angle. But, I do find it rather odd myself that the cranes flew up so early during the foundation phase. But, perhaps there's a reason for that somewhere out there?

^^ Perhaps each crane will work 180 degree angle. But, I do find it rather odd myself that the cranes flew up so early during the foundation phase. But, perhaps there's a reason for that somewhere out there?

It may have to do with space issues. Since this is a pit and will be for a while longer before it reaches the street they may want to put up the cranes now as opposed to later so they wont have to put up another crane to put the cranes in the core.

Aren't these renders magnificent?

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/66462361/original.jpg
http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/740/wtc7fe5.jpg
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/8246/foster3hi6.jpg

magnificent



Why is the construction progress so slow?

It may have to do with space issues. Since this is a pit and will be for a while longer before it reaches the street they may want to put up the cranes now as opposed to later so they wont have to put up another crane to put the cranes in the core.

These cranes will be climbing through the building which is mainly steel in construction.. just like the building Goldman Sachs building behind. Those cranes are being jacked up through the buildings steel frame. At WTC.. the crane on the right(if you look at the webcam) will maily work on it's side.. It'll most likely load from the road on the right.. If you look at it's boom, it's about 20-metres shorter than the other crane.. This could be so it doesn't hit the building next door... Also the other Boom on the other crane is bigger to reach other possible load sites... It could also have something to do with the top out.. One of those cranes will be lifting the other down.. the bigger boom one could end up being used to construct the spire.. But there is space for a third tower climbing crane on the outside... But these cranes are there now because thats what you do.. The big climbing crane at BofA site on the oustide goes all the way to the ground... If anyone goes to the GS site.. you'll see the lifting frames.

Good renders except in the first one the FT looks off. It's too skewed. I've seen a lot of renders with that problem. I wonder why it is so hard to get the corners right on this particular building.

http://www.panynj.gov/drp/gallery/showPics.php?year=07&month=cr04&pnav=crpicstble

Not sure if this was reported but the Port Authority posted pics about 6 days ago from April.

Aren't these renders magnificent?

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/66462361/original.jpg


There are mistakes in this render. The top of the Freedom Tower is supposed to be square. It certainly doesn't look square in the render. And look to the left of the base. Where's the wall?

No the render is correct, you are looking at it from the wrong perspective.

Yes, the renders are fine. It's called linear perspective. And I have no idea what you mean about this 'missing wall'...

No the render is correct, you are looking at it from the wrong perspective.

I disagree. It shouldn't look like that from any angle. Obviously I know about perspective.

The top of the Freedom Tower looks square, even from that perspective.

^^ OK, whatever...if you say so. This isn't worth arguing about.

^^ OK, whatever...if you say so. This isn't worth arguing about.

If it isn't worth arguing about then don't bring it up. :) Obviously if you contest to something people will jump in and give their opinions and thus an argument will spawn.

The far left bottom anchor is missing in the render (possibly the far right also, but we can't see it), which messed up the whole shape of the building.

No the render is correct, you are looking at it from the wrong perspective.

Huh?? I'm looking at it from the perspective from which it was rendered. It's impossible for me to look at it from the wrong perspective. If the top was square, the wall that's closer to us should appear wider than the one to the right.

Yes, the renders are fine. It's called linear perspective. And I have no idea what you mean about this 'missing wall'...

Look at the base of the building. Where's the wall on the left, parallel to the street? The building looks flat.

These cranes will be climbing through the building which is mainly steel in construction.. just like the building Goldman Sachs building behind. Those cranes are being jacked up through the buildings steel frame. At WTC.. the crane on the right(if you look at the webcam) will maily work on it's side.. It'll most likely load from the road on the right.. If you look at it's boom, it's about 20-metres shorter than the other crane.. This could be so it doesn't hit the building next door... Also the other Boom on the other crane is bigger to reach other possible load sites... It could also have something to do with the top out.. One of those cranes will be lifting the other down.. the bigger boom one could end up being used to construct the spire.. But there is space for a third tower climbing crane on the outside... But these cranes are there now because thats what you do.. The big climbing crane at BofA site on the oustide goes all the way to the ground... If anyone goes to the GS site.. you'll see the lifting frames.
Don't forget that when the original 'Twins' were being built, each tower had *FOUR* of those derrick cranes working, one at each corner.

Mike

Its an optical illusion. The perspective looks correct if you throw some guide lines in there. That left side IS there, but its very skinny and close to the sky color from this perspective.

The building is supposed to be parallel to the WTC footprints, not the street to the left side.

The thing is that this type of render, where a building's vertical lines are actually vertical in the photo from top to bottom, tends to mess with your sense of perspective if you look at it for too long. In a normal photo those vertical lines will get closer and closer together towards the top because the top is further from the camera than the bottom of the building is. You cannot get a photo like this in real life with a normal everyday camera.

Overall, this render is about as perfect as is possible.

http://myweb.cableone.net/jpsltd/Images/WTCperspective.jpg

Amazingly, how much expenditure some people are making for their argumentation! :D

the vantage point of that render seems to be about 30 stories above ground level

^^the small building directly left behind the freedom tower would absolutely not fit into your perspective... it's got a square-formed-base -the freedomtower instead looks, like it's got a triangle-base in this rendering! u cannot mix up 2 diferent perspectives in one rendering... thats totally WRONG!!!
the original perspective from the photography was not used from the creators of this rendering -and that -whatever some people here say IS a mistake!!!:ohno:

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/8562/482034470a2ce64404aoce9.jpg
as u can see here in this pic the rendering from above should more look like this cause thats the perspective in which all the other buildings in the background of the RENDERING are displayed!
--parallel-perspective!

You guys take things a lilttle bit to seriously dontya? Its just a rendering!

^could've been worse. Could've been arguing on how the old twins were so much better. *shrug*

Well anyone who's arguing back is an IDIOT because I do 3D CGI modeling, and I KNOW what I'm talking about. You obviously DON'T KNOW jack shit about what you're talking about.

And no, that smaller building is not a square, it has a parallelogram footprint just like WTC7 next to it has. Only its tower on the top has perpendicular sides.

Anyways, I'm done arguing with the mentally challenged here.

Yes, thank God nobody's whining about rebuilding "the Twins."

^^the small building directly left behind the freedom tower would absolutely not fit into your perspective... it's got a square-formed-base -the freedomtower instead looks, like it's got a triangle-base in this rendering! u cannot mix up 2 diferent perspectives in one rendering... thats totally WRONG!!!
the original perspective from the photography was not used from the creators of this rendering -and that -whatever some people here say IS a mistake!!!:ohno:

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/8562/482034470a2ce64404aoce9.jpg
as u can see here in this pic the rendering from above should more look like this cause thats the perspective in which all the other buildings in the background of the RENDERING are displayed!
--parallel-perspective!

This is ABSOLUTELY AMAZING!!!

Aren't these renders magnificent?

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/66462361/original.jpg


This picture is the best I have ever seen...

love this render picture m))

Hopefully this'll put an end to the arguing:

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/3112/originalvl7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Well I had hoped mine would, but I'm noticing tonight a lot of people around here just want to argue about anything and everything, no matter how wrong/naive they are about it. If all else fails, they resort to America bashing.

hard to catch a good pictures from the ground:(

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/1683/img0852rs4.th.jpg (http://img518.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0852rs4.jpg)

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/5079/img0857at6.th.jpg (http://img518.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0857at6.jpg)

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/1874/img0862jn9.th.jpg (http://img443.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0862jn9.jpg)

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/9107/img0865kt5.th.jpg (http://img516.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0865kt5.jpg)

for that we've the webcam :)

FINALLY 2 new steel-beams are entering the scene ;)

at wikipedia germany i earlier read that the other beams are supposed to be errected in may...

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/7783/bild2da8.jpg

ok after another webcamupdate nr. 2 was just a big machine... but nr 1 still is there :bash: :lol:

FINALLY 2 new steel-beams are entering the scene ;)

at wikipedia germany i earlier read that the other beams are supposed to be errected in may...

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/7783/bild2da8.jpg

Are the core areas around the two tower cranes concrete or dirt.

half-half i think! the inner core might already be concrete, the area around the core for example the eastern area (the area DOWN on the webcam) is still bare ground as u can see they still get all the dirt out with the machines-

a lil progess isnt bad...thanx

How much longer till the core begins to rise?

progress is slow.......hopefully it will shoot up soon

Ive never seen a building that took so long to build. Maybe because of its massiveness:ohno:

How much longer till the core begins to rise?

still some months i think

still some months i think


Then why did they erect the tower cranes so early if its not going to rise anytime soon?

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/24/nyregion/24insure.html
Insurers Agree to Pay Billions at Ground Zero

By CHARLES V. BAGLI
Published: May 24, 2007

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/05/24/nyregion/24insure-600.jpg
James Estrin/The New York Times
Announcing the deal were, from left, Albert M. Rosenblatt, a retired judge; Gov. Eliot Spitzer; Anthony E. Shorris, Port Authority executive director; and Larry A. Silverstein, the developer.

The Spitzer administration announced the settlement of all insurance claims at ground zero yesterday, ensuring that $4.55 billion will be available for rebuilding the World Trade Center site.

The agreement, which the insurers described as the largest single insurance settlement ever undertaken by the industry, ended a protracted legal battle with insurers over payouts related to the terrorist attack.

New York State and Port Authority officials said yesterday that the deal removed any uncertainty over how much money would be available for rebuilding and would enable them to obtain private financing for the $9 billion project.

Officials had worried that the insurance dispute might drag on for years, eating up millions of dollars in lawyers’ fees and potentially delaying reconstruction. The settlement is the culmination of a two-month campaign by the state insurance superintendent, Eric R. Dinallo, and involved meetings in Geneva, Paris and Delaware.

The agreement was reached with seven of the two dozen insurers for the trade center who had not already settled — Allianz Global Risks, Travelers Companies, Zurich American, Swiss Re, Employers Insurance, Industrial Risk Insurers and Royal Indemnity. They agreed to pay a total of $2 billion. The other insurers had already made good on their claims and paid about $2.55 billion.

In recent weeks, Gov. Eliot Spitzer joined the negotiations with the seven companies, which lasted until the early morning yesterday.

“The unsettled insurance claims were the last major barrier to rebuilding and have been bitterly and intensely contested for almost six years,” Governor Spitzer said in an interview. “This means we can now fund construction, access the financial markets and move on to what should be our primary focus: rebuilding.”

Business leaders downtown, who have been frustrated by the legal and political wrangling and years of delays, were elated by the news.

“The downtown business community is pleased with the efforts of the governor and the insurance superintendent in removing the remaining uncertainty over the financing of the World Trade Center site,” said Eric J. Deutsch, president of the Alliance for Downtown New York. “In conjunction with a strong office market, the settlement will ensure success.”

All the parties to yesterday’s settlement signed confidentiality agreements barring them from saying how much each insurance company would pay.

The insurance money is critical to the rebuilding effort, but it can cover only about half of the $9 billion cost of building five towers, retail space and possibly a hotel.

“The train is now moving down the tracks,” said Larry A. Silverstein, the 76-year-old developer who had leased the World Trade Center complex six weeks before the Sept. 11 attack.

The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which owns the land at ground zero and built the trade center, will get about $870 million from yesterday’s settlement, which is to go toward the cost of erecting the $3 billion Freedom Tower, the tallest and most symbolic skyscraper planned for ground zero, as well as the retail space at the complex.

Mr. Silverstein will get the remaining $1.13 billion for three large office towers to be built along Church Street, between Vesey and Liberty Streets.

As part of the deal, the Port Authority and Mr. Silverstein had to relinquish their claim that the companies owed more than $500 million in interest resulting from delays in making the payments. The insurers, in turn, abandoned their claim that they did not owe the money until the project was completed, in 2012.

Despite the insurance dispute, there has been some activity at the 16-acre trade center site. Hundreds of construction workers are laboring on the Port Authority’s $2 billion PATH train station and the foundation of the Freedom Tower. The authority expects to turn over the eastern portion of the site to Mr. Silverstein at the end of this year so that he can begin building. He completed a nearby tower, 7 World Trade Center, last year.

“Look how far we’ve come in the last year,” Mr. Silverstein said yesterday. “A year ago today, we opened 7 World Trade Center, a huge success and a validation of downtown as a world-class business district. We’ve started construction on the Freedom Tower. We reached an agreement on who would build what and when. And now we have the resources to rebuild as quickly and spectacularly as possible.”

Mr. Spitzer said the agreement, which ends all the litigation, was a collaborative effort on the part of many officials who had lost “patience with the ongoing fighting that didn’t serve the public interest or the effort to rebuild.”

Officials and real estate executives involved in the negotiations said they had asked the administration of Governor Spitzer’s predecessor, George E. Pataki, to have the state’s insurance superintendent become involved in the settlement effort, but that it never happened. That changed in late March when Mr. Spitzer’s superintendent, Mr. Dinallo, convened a meeting of the insurers, the Port Authority and the developer to prod them into a settlement.

Mr. Dinallo was working in tandem with Albert M. Rosenblatt, a retired judge who was overseeing an arbitration proceeding in the case.

Andreas Shell, claims crisis coordinator for Allianz, said at a news conference that it was the largest insurance settlement in industry history and that his company was “extremely happy with the result.”

The insurance battle has been complicated from the start by the circumstances of Mr. Silverstein’s lease of the trade center and the destruction of the complex by terrorists six weeks later. At that time, two dozen insurers had signed binders pledging to provide $3.5 billion in insurance coverage, but had not finished the documents.

An ugly dispute developed over which insurance policy was in effect at the time of the attack. Mr. Silverstein argued that since two jetliners had slammed into the two towers, he was entitled to a double payment on the $3.5 billion policy. But many of the insurers countered that they had agreed to a different policy that did not permit double claims.

In the sparring, the insurers attempted to paint Mr. Silverstein as a rapacious developer interested only in profiteering, while he asserted that the companies were being tight-fisted and shirking their moral and legal responsibilities.

At the end of two lengthy trials in 2004, a federal court found that the insurers owed a maximum of $4.6 billion, less than the $7 billion that Mr. Silverstein originally claimed but more than the $3.5 billion limit of the policy. Ever since, state, city and Port Authority officials have called on the insurance companies to make their payments in full.

Mr. Spitzer thanked 14 politicians yesterday for their help, including Senators Charles E. Schumer and Hillary Rodham Clinton. In a statement, Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg commended the governor and Mr. Silverstein for the settlement.

^^ That's great news! :cheers:

I hope the developer, Larry A. Silverstein will still alive to see his project to get built and able to enjoy it.

the slow progress is frustrating!
the new 200m Goldman-Sachs-Tower (right west of ground zero) has reached its 8th floor above ground... u cannot tell me they can do a 200m-tower foundation and 10 floors in less than half the time the freedom-tower will need to reach street-level... there must be slow progress because of all the bureaucracy, politics and money! hopefully now it will move faster-silverstein got his money from the insurance...:bash:

I was downtown today and was very pleasantly surprised by the level of people down there. Pedestrian traffic on the streets surrounding Ground Zero is finally starting to look like it did pre 9/11. Recent reports regarding vacancy rates in Lower Manhattan support my observations, but it was really great to see downtown so busy again. Once ther WTC is reconstructed there will be no stopping this place.

Better a little progress than none, thanks for the updates.

the slow progress is frustrating!
the new 200m Goldman-Sachs-Tower (right west of ground zero) has reached its 8th floor above ground... u cannot tell me they can do a 200m-tower foundation and 10 floors in less than half the time the freedom-tower will need to reach street-level... there must be slow progress because of all the bureaucracy, politics and money! hopefully now it will move faster-silverstein got his money from the insurance...:bash:

Goldman Sachs started way earlier than the WTC. The foundation for GS also took well over a year.

Some months to wait...

It's amazing how incredibly fast GS went up. After over a year of basically nothing, we saw some steel, and now, all of a sudden, out of no where, we have almost 10 floors now and it's rising almost too fast to keep track of. No matter what anyone says, 1WTC will be like that in a few months.

It's amazing how incredibly fast GS went up. After over a year of basically nothing, we saw some steel, and now, all of a sudden, out of no where, we have almost 10 floors now and it's rising almost too fast to keep track of. No matter what anyone says, 1WTC will be like that in a few months.

10 floors? I thought I counted 7. but yea once the 1wtc comes out of the basement it will begin to rise.

Today from

http://www.lowermanhattan.info/news/east_bathtub_construction_ahead_74846.aspx

and

http://www.curbed.com/archives/2007/05/31/wtc_chaos_update_dear_god_somethings_ahead_of_sked.php


East Bathtub Construction Ahead of Schedule

Port Authority crews are making steady progress building the World Trade Center site's east bathtub. Finishing two weeks ahead of schedule, crews have now completed installation of the new slurry wall at the southeast section of the bathtub (along Liberty and Church Streets up to Cortlandt Street). Workers are now mobilizing at the northeast corner of the bathtub, where 30 steel-and-concrete slurry wall panels will be installed over the next several months.

Construction of the east bathtub is part of the foundation preparation needed for towers two, three, and four to be built.

Can't understand why everyone in this forum is so impatient with the building of the Freedom Tower and The WTC site in general.

Can't you understand that NYC is unlike any other city and this project is unlike any other project EVER.

You cannot begin to understand the amount of infrastructure that is being built into the foundation for this building, included is multiple subway lines.

BE PATIENT

2001 - 2007 = 6 years, thats a lot of time wasting right there

Can't you understand that NYC is unlike any other city and this project is unlike any other project EVER.



How is it unlike any project ever? I'm not trying to be a jerk, just wondering what you mean since you didn't elaborate apart from "lots of infrastructure".

Thanks.

Then why did they erect the tower cranes so early if its not going to rise anytime soon?

It costs thousands of dollars a day to use tower cranes. Obviously, they need the cranes otherwise they wouldn't erect them.

2001 - 2007 = 6 years, thats a lot of time wasting right there and to address Hollie Maea also.
Are you kidding? Time wasting? Just to do a little history refresher , a 'small' attack occured at this site not 50 years ago, not 20 years ago not even 10 years ago. It's been 6 1/2 years! For gosh sakes they were still finding body parts in the area as of late 2006! You could make the argument that family members had made that it really is a graveyard and nothing should be built there.
On top of all that the Deutsche Bank building , a pretty significant sized building, still has to be torn down.

How can anyone not understand how different this site is from any other building site there ever was and that there ever will be in the U.S.?

and to address Hollie Maea also.
Are you kidding? Time wasting? Just to do a little history refresher , a 'small' attack occured at this site not 50 years ago, not 20 years ago not even 10 years ago. It's been 6 1/2 years! For gosh sakes they were still finding body parts in the area as of late 2006! You could make the argument that family members had made that it really is a graveyard and nothing should be built there.
On top of all that the Deutsche Bank building , a pretty significant sized building, still has to be torn down.

How can anyone not understand how different this site is from any other building site there ever was and that there ever will be in the U.S.?

We always have the apologists. 6.5 years is a VERY long time, even to clean up the site etc. It's a matter of priority, and how much money and manpower you are willing to spend to clean up and build. It's also about willing to compromise on development, usage and design. If we had a federal bill that would have given as much money to the rebuilding of the site as they have given to the victim's families, there would have been a LOT more progress.

great news, i'm really excited so the that complex rising

so long..

This building requires so much patience its not even funny.:ohno: I think the main reason why people here are so impatient is because they spent 3 years arguing and complaining about how and who should build this tower. Its sad because, if you think about it, this tower would be almost topped out, if everything was on schedule.


But then again, we wouuld have that hedious twisting birdcage hovering over lower manhattan:ohno: So I guess it all worked out for good.


Hopefully, this building will be well on its way by the Fall.:)

We just gotta be patient yall.......cus no matter how much we spend our time complaining about the slow progress, its still not going to be completed for at least another 3 years

Complaining about how slow it is isn't going to make construction go any faster so people should just..go meditate in Nepal or make a Zen garden or something.

Does anyone know how do get a directory of other high res cams like this one?

http://www.earthcam.net/users2/interface.php?id=445&projectid=202&clientid=158

I've looked all over www.earthcam.net and all I can find are the usual lame low res things.

Was this WTC one not intended to be made public? Who first posted it here?

After reading some posts above me made me wondering how long did this building in Oklahoma City got rebuilt after bombing back in 1996 (I think)? It might be similar situation as Ground Zero but I know that Ground Zero is wayyyy much bigger than Oklahoma City Building for sure.

After reading some posts above me made me wondering how long did this building in Oklahoma City got rebuilt after bombing back in 1996 (I think)? It might be similar situation as Ground Zero but I know that Ground Zero is wayyyy much bigger than Oklahoma City Building for sure.

The Murrah Building was never rebuilt. A memorial sits on its site now.

The Murrah Building was never rebuilt. A memorial sits on its site now.

Really? Dang!

The Murrah Building was never rebuilt. A memorial sits on its site now.

True, but a new federal building was constructed near the old Murrah Building.

Anyone have any new picture updates of the progress in the hole?

june 2nd:

http://i9.tinypic.com/6421sie.jpg

june 2nd:

http://i9.tinypic.com/6421sie.jpg

What is that black substance directly behind the 1st tower crane?

What is that black substance directly behind the 1st tower crane?

i don't see anything, can u circle it?

i don't see anything, can u circle it?

I don't see it. Please give more description.

I don't see it. Please give more description.

ZOMG IT IZ THERMITE@!!

/Conspiracy theorist :lol:

I can't see anything either.

I have to admit, I can't wait until we have our skyline back!!!!!!!!! I hope it is completed in 2009

I'm pretty sure it's a shadow

Looks like a hole with rebar in it, and lots of it to boot. Hard to tell from this angle as you cant really see it too clearly

I have to admit, I can't wait until we have our skyline back!!!!!!!!! I hope it is completed in 2009

no chance, forget it ;)

at this rate it wont see ground level by 2009 :(

i just graduated hs and plan on moving to nyc in 2 years after college :) can't wait to see these rise

^^


Trust me, this tower will be at street level by january of next year. The Port Authority and the developers want this completed just as much as we do. Its just going to take PATIENCE and TIME.

Meanwhile, it looks like they are pouring lots of concrete today. What could this mean? Maybe they will be erecting tower columns soon.

yeah! must be some parts of the missing foundation :)
i counted 8 (!) concrete-carriers (trucks) at the same time today-must have been over 25 all day long:banana:

http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/6606/bild2kf1.jpg
here is a small view from today

:cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer:

It seems that the pouring of the core is almost done. They only need to dig out a bit more of the core on the closer side of the cranes, but its very little. It also seems theres rebar sticking out from the farside of the core.

I'm confused about this construction process. I just looked at cam of Ground Zero. I can't see anything active with the core and this time they won't let me zoom closer to that site so I can see better... I thought Freedom Tower will have two more cranes before they start to rise? I am not sure exactly where the core located at. Is that where two cranes sit on it?

Something is happening at last! God bless!

I'm confused about this construction process. I just looked at cam of Ground Zero. I can't see anything active with the core and this time they won't let me zoom closer to that site so I can see better... I thought Freedom Tower will have two more cranes before they start to rise? I am not sure exactly where the core located at. Is that where two cranes sit on it?

You can't see anything active cause the camera does not show that much detail.

The cranes are in the middle of the core and the building ends at the last beam before the driveway into the site (that other skinny beam is for something else).

Something is happening at last! God bless!
Nothing is Happening, till 2008

Nothing is Happening, till 2008

Every day they're pouring concrete and constructing the foundations and YOU say nothin is happening...:ohno: :ohno:

They should have named the new WTC buildings starting with "8 WTC," so as not to confuse them with the originals...it would also honor the originals in that way.

Every day they're pouring concrete and constructing the foundations and YOU say nothin is happening...:ohno: :ohno:
i consider that nothing, is it rising? N0. so nothing is really happening

Do the subways line go under the new WTC site? Are they in construction or will it be soon ?

i consider that nothing, is it rising? N0. so nothing is really happening

the construction of a skyscraper also has a progress without rising ^^

Do the subways line go under the new WTC site? Are they in construction or will it be soon ?
The 1 and 9 subways, as well as the cross-Hudson PATH line, were all reopened fairly quickly. Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that the subway was back in service in late 2002.

You can see the 'tunnels' snaking through the pit in the aerial images.

Mike

You can't see anything active cause the camera does not show that much detail.

The cranes are in the middle of the core and the building ends at the last beam before the driveway into the site (that other skinny beam is for something else).

Yeah That's what I was saying. I wish there has to have better cam that will show everything so I can understand better with the construction process. Thanks! :)

i dont see any difference in last week and this week webcam except it is a little dryer

I see the mods have been busy deleting posts again.

From this point on, there will be no more debates about the Twin Towers. This thread is purely for discussion of the current project.

From this point on, there will be no more debates about the Twin Towers. This thread is purely for discussion of the current project.

:applause: :applause: :applause:

Yes, we shouldn't be focused on what was, and should be focused on what will be.

The new project is modern and nice! I like it very much!

what are they doing there for so long? this is real slooooow....

From this point on, there will be no more debates about the Twin Towers. This thread is purely for discussion of the current project.

:applause: respect :bow:

It's going very slow. Wish they would pick up the pace.

I, for one, really enjoy this new design. I was really turned off when I saw Libeskind's original design. To me, it looked like a builgins with it's guts showing. This tower is much more pleasing to the eye. It is very reminiscent of the former 1WTC, and I like that. Maybe in time, they'll build a second Freedom Tower where the Performing Arts center was meant to be. For now though, I am thoroughly enjoying watching the new 1WTC go up. I hope to visit NYC before the construction is complete.

This forum rocks, btw.

AIFOL always
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g15/SexyToad/iioh18.jpg

excellent

:master:

It's going very slow. Wish they would pick up the pace.

It'll go faster once they're above street level. The foundation and sub floors always take a long time to finish.

I agree on the fact that a good foundation takes a lot of time, but the progress overhere is way out of range.
Comparing with other projects, it is the slowest of all. They erected 2 tower cranes, which are very expensive to rent. In the time span they are there, not much additional is visible on the site.

Comparing at the Maastoren in Rotterdam, they are constructing almost the total foundation slab, in just a fraction of the time, One WTC is under construction. OK this building is not that high as One WTC, but if it was, they still need much lesser time. And we over here in Holland cannot build direclty on bedrock. We have lots of muddy grounds, which require piling.

Goodness this seems to be taking Agggggges!
I'd have thought it would be up to a good few floors by now like the skyscrapers of the 1920s.

It'll go faster once they're above street level. The foundation and sub floors always take a long time to finish.
How long did foundation work on the original 'Twins' take?

Mike

^ About 2 years.

I have a question. Since The twins were once stood at same foundation where Freedom Tower and the rest of complex will be built in... Will this time it will get much deeper than before because it was used for Twin Towers before?

I have a question. Since The twins were once stood at same foundation where Freedom Tower and the rest of complex will be built in... Will this time it will get much deeper than before because it was used for Twin Towers before?

Nothing is being built in the original footprints. That's the location of the memorial fountains in the park.

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/513/officiallayoutel5.jpg

ya one world trade center will be great..not so much as a mega structure but as more of a classy pinnacle for
downtown- anyone have any idea about what type of glass theyre using?

Oh that's right! I totally forgot about that. Duh me! :wallbash:

i dont see any difference in last week and this week webcam except it is a little dryer

I have been looking at the webcam quite daily, and I don't see a lot of changes, especially if I look at it several times in that same day not to mention that it gets fuzzy if you try to zoom in closer.

These are the schedules of the construction on the WTC site according to my uncle, Anthony Shorris who is the executive director for the Port Authority.

Tower 1:

January 2008- visible above grade; Spring 2009-Topped Out;
Summer 2010-Facade/Building Amenities Completed; 1st Quarter 2011-Tenants Move In

Tower 2:

Spring/Summer 2008- Excavation/Foundation work begins; Spring 2009- visible above grade; December 2010- Topped Out;
Early Fall 2011- Facade/Building Amenities Completed; 2nd Quarter 2012- Tenants Move In

Towers 3 and 4

December 2007-Excavation/Foundation works begins; Early 2009- visible above grade; Spring 2010- Topped Out; Early 2011- Facade/Building Amenities Completed; 3rd Quarter 2011- Tenants Move In

Tower 5

He didnt give me a specific Timetable for when Tower 5 will be completed. But he did estimate that the Deustche building will be totally deconstructed no later than early 2008. However, information on the use of the tower, its height, and design probably will not be released until Summer of next year.



* I also asked him about the rest of the complex. He told me that everything is running smoothly, and will be completed as planned. He mentioned that the East Bathtub was actually going ahead of schedule, which means that the timetable for construction of towers 2,3,&4 may be altered a few months. So basically to sum it all up, we will have a completely rebuilt WTC by 2012

Thanks very much for that rogerick1970. :)

Thanks very much for that rogerick1970. :)

Your welcome. I will keep you guys posted on news as much as I can concerning the new WTC. I actually live with my uncle now since I moved to New York to go to college. And let me tell you that the Port Authority and Larry Silverstein are working their butts off to make this complex the most beautiful in the world.

Just feel free to ask me questions about the WTC Developement and I will answer them.

Ive also seen the more detailed renderings of the insides of the buildings, and let me say that when you guys see them, your mouths will drop to the floor.:)

AWESOME! I'm curious does this WTC complex got any tenants yet?

AWESOME! I'm curious does this WTC complex got any tenants yet?

Yes. As you all know, 1.3 million sq feet of the 1.7 million sq feet of 7WTC has already been leased with more on the way. I think its safe to say that by the end of the year, the entire 7WTC will be completely leased.

The state of New York agreed last year to occupy over 400,000 sq feet of the Freedom Tower last year, with an option of extending the space to 1 million. The lease runs for 15 years. Also the General Governments Administration has agreed to lease 600,000 square feet also. As many of you all know, a Chinese firm wants to lease over 1 million sq feet of the tower to make it their American headquarters. So basically, to the minimum, the Freedom Tower could be 90% leased before it gets built.:cheers:

Also the Port Authority plans to move 2000 workers into Tower 4 once its complete. This is the reason why they decided to build the towers going backwards, because they have already secured a lease in Tower 4, and they dont want to keep the future tenants waiting.

However, so far no tenant have signed for Towers 2 or 3, but I will assure you this WILL change:)


P.S. When the Freedom Tower is complete, nothing will ever be able to bring it down because the security upgrades, and the strength that this building will have is unbelievable. Its like a building on steroids.:)

is it weird that i had a dream the other night where i was in nyc and somehow i was above the building site and all of the buildings were a few meters above ground except the FT was still doing foundation work? lol

is it weird that i had a dream the other night where i was in nyc and somehow i was above the building site and all of the buildings were a few meters above ground except the FT was still doing foundation work? lol

There's nothing I can say to you but just to be patient and understand that it takes alot of time and preparation to build a building of this magnitude.

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/513/officiallayoutel5.jpg

I have never noticed that little marina, is that there now?

I have never noticed that little marina, is that there now?

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/4338/qwwmkdjmdn3.jpg

:lol: J/K

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/1572/currentny5.jpg

hah excuse me..

HOW MANY TOWERS DOES "ONE WORLD TRADE CENTER" HAS???

HOW MANY TOWERS DOES "ONE WORLD TRADE CENTER" HAS???

Please don't use caps. 1WTC has one building. But there is also 2-4WTC (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=471265) and 7 WTC.

1-4WTC: From left to right: 1WTC by Childs, 2WTC by Foster, 3 WTC by Rogers, 4 WTC by Maki
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/8741/fosterrogersmakiri1.jpg

ohh so much glass it looks great :master:

This is gonna look incredible.

you think that real estate prices in whole manhattan raised, after so much place and offices were destroyed at once in 2001? the wtc was very big ...

interesting question ... (!?)

you think that real estate prices in whole manhattan raised, after so much place and offices were destroyed at once in 2001? the wtc was very big ...

interesting question ... (!?)


I think it was actually lowered since everyone was so terrified, and wanted to leave not only Lower Manhattan but also Manhattan as a whole.

What is the black square like substance in front of the right tower crane?

looks like a hole ^^

looks like a hole ^^

Could it be where they are gonna erect more beams?

very attractive buildings

Could it be where they are gonna erect more beams?

don't think so, that's a place for a tower crane

don't think so, that's a place for a tower crane

oh. so I guess they will be putting yet another tower crane up soon?


How many will they have in the towers core?

4 cranes. and yes, the next crane will probably come soon

Could it be where they are gonna erect more beams?

The beams will be erected in that whole just to the south of the core and the concrete. One of them looks L shaped while the other is covered in a white tarp. I think they may have already poured the footings for the steel.

It will be amzing to see this thing begin to rise.

I have been looking at the webcam quite daily, and I don't see a lot of changes, especially if I look at it several times in that same day not to mention that it gets fuzzy if you try to zoom in closer.
Be careful. I think YOU are on the verge of being self-hypnotized :)

Be careful. I think YOU are on the verge of being self-hypnotized :)

TalB's zoomin in so hard his monitor's begging for mercy

I think it was actually lowered since everyone was so terrified, and wanted to leave not only Lower Manhattan but also Manhattan as a whole.


This is true, but NY has rebounded big time.

This is true, but NY has rebounded big time.

I totally agree. Right now, LM is back to where it was pre 9/11. But I think once the WTC and everything else is completed, it will be better than it was before 9/11.:)

Not for nothing but there are about 2 or 3 dozen sites I've seen over the past two weeks on my strolls that ARE NOT showcased on this website down there. Not lots, not proposals.... actual construction sites with progress already being made. 2-3 DOZEN! The fact that places like Dubai, Miami have boosters here going bonkers over what is a craze is because there is less density.. nyc has 10x the density of those places and it's projects and cranes get lost amongst that density.

JUNE 17, 2007

some progress but not much...i had a good time walking thru the construction site.....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture045.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture046.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture050.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture058.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture059.jpg

here it is the "infamous" staircase....i used it many times....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture060.jpg



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture048.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture057.jpg

good lookin out carlos, I really appreciate the quality of your updates

Does anyone know who the General Contractor and Construction Manager is for the Freedom Tower?

good lookin out carlos, I really appreciate the quality of your updates


thanks man..I LOVE NEW YORK CITY, MY HOMETOWN....i want it to show....

the genious architect!!!

Mr. David Childs :cheer: :cheer:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/RG_childs.jpg

i guess there's more going on than what the webcame suggests. thanks alot carlos for the pics

the genious architect!!!

Mr. David Childs :cheer: :cheer:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/RG_childs.jpg

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/2818/trump16da4b79eb1.jpg

lol, he looks like a conehead in that picture :lol:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/nyctowers/2007/Picture060.jpg

:bash:

Stairway surrounded

When Downtown Express last visited the site in August, the 175-ton “Survivors’ Stairway” sat alone in open space. Last week, it was surrounded by equipment. Plate said there are three or four different construction projects within 10 feet of the stairs. He didn’t say it was slowing down the work but did say “we need to get it out of the way.”

The stairs once led from the W.T.C. plaza to Vesey St. and some survivors ran down them to escape the trade center complex on Sept. 11. The L.M.D.C. had proposed breaking up the stairs to save a remnant for the memorial museum and incorporate a piece in the Tower 2 entrance. Gov. Spitzer objected to the L.M.D.C. plan and his Empire State Development Corp. has been searching for a site to store the stairs intact.

Stairway proponents argue that since it is the only public W.T.C. remnant that is still on the site and was the last leg of survivors’ run to safety, it should be preserved entirely. Opponents counter that just the cost of moving it intact from and then back to the site would be over $2 million and that displaying it on the memorial plaza would create the mistaken impression that it was damaged by the collapsing towers. The stairs were damaged during the cleanup of the site.

Errol Cockfield, a spokesperson for Empire State, said the agency is moving quickly toward a decision but he did not know if it would be made in a matter of weeks. He did not comment on whether Battery Park City’s Site 2B, which residents hope will be the site of a new school, is under consideration to store the stairs.

Sayar Lonial, a senior aide to Councilmember Alan Gerson, told C.B. 1 members Tuesday that “it sounds like they will be putting the stairs on Site 2B.” He said E.S.D.C. has given assurances the stairway won’t remain on the site long enough to interfere with school construction. Lonial said he’s inclined to believe the promise because unlike the Pataki administration, Spitzer’s aides “don’t just say things to make us happy.”

Gerson and Spitzer are Democrats and Pataki is a Republican.

We dont need a stairway to remind us how tragic and heroic 9/11 was. Everyone that was living on that day knows, stil has it fresh on their minds like it happened yesterday.

i think they should keep the stairway intact, if it's not in the way of any buildings or anything...which i dont think it is. it would be cool to visit and go inside it

this old and ugly stairway wouldn't fit in the new modern WTC complex

Does anyone know who the General Contractor and Construction Manager is for the Freedom Tower?

Tishman

This isn't enough of a memorial? We need the old beat up stairs in there too?

http://www.buildthememorial.org/images/content/photos/large_45128.jpg

http://www.buildthememorial.org/images/content/photos/large_12547.jpg

I'm not trying to disrespect the memories of anyone who died there, but eventually, we have to move on and focus on the beauty of the new project.

this old and ugly stairway wouldn't fit in the new modern WTC complex

Put it into the museum.

That ends that.

This isn't enough of a memorial? We need the old beat up stairs in there too?

http://www.buildthememorial.org/images/content/photos/large_45128.jpg

http://www.buildthememorial.org/images/content/photos/large_12547.jpg

I'm not trying to disrespect the memories of anyone who died there, but eventually, we have to move on and focus on the beauty of the new project.

I totally agree

i think they should keep the stairway intact, if it's not in the way of any buildings or anything...which i dont think it is. it would be cool to visit and go inside it


We have to stop living in the past. We Americans get so hung up on what happened here and what happened there. Just move it and build what needs to be built. If it is such an historical artifact put it at the Firehouse where those men worked, or in the woman's back yard.

Sorry to sound harsh but the whole darned place and every scrap of whatever that is there is not part of some solemn graveyard. We HAVE to move on. Either build something on that real estate or don't, but the clusterf%$k that place has become in trying to be both a modern economic hub and a cemetary is almost laughable.

Ok, I'm a huge dork and extremely bored while at work. So I started a seriously geeky project to occupy some of my time.

For those of you who don't know, the Freedom Tower construction site placed a high-res webcam that saves an image every 15 minutes:
http://www.earthcam.net/users2/interface.php?id=445&projectid=202&clientid=158
I decided to grab the 12:00 noon screenshot every day for the next 5 years or so. Then I'll edit them together in a time lapse movie and put it up on YouTube or something.


Here is the project so far:
You Tube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKuIfpDW6AQ)
IKuIfpDW6AQ

High Res Version:
Right-click to Save As (http://www.warclan.net/Downloads/Freedom_Tower.wmv)

I need to find some suitable music so I'm open to any suggestions. I will update the video every few days.

This should posted in the 1WTC thread, where I'm moving it.

This should posted in the 1WTC thread, where I'm moving it.

Well, if that's the case, then it should probably be in that one for the entire WTC complex and not the WTC1 only.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=471265

We have to stop living in the past. We Americans get so hung up on what happened here and what happened there. Just move it and build what needs to be built. If it is such an historical artifact put it at the Firehouse where those men worked, or in the woman's back yard.

Sorry to sound harsh but the whole darned place and every scrap of whatever that is there is not part of some solemn graveyard. We HAVE to move on. Either build something on that real estate or don't, but the clusterf%$k that place has become in trying to be both a modern economic hub and a cemetary is almost laughable.


i agree, but i like the history of it. walking in that staircase would be really cool. like i said, unless it's in the way of development then i dont see any reason to move it.

Ok, I'm a huge dork and extremely bored while at work. So I started a seriously geeky project to occupy some of my time.

For those of you who don't know, the Freedom Tower construction site placed a high-res webcam that saves an image every 15 minutes:
http://www.earthcam.net/users2/interface.php?id=445&projectid=202&clientid=158
I decided to grab the 12:00 noon screenshot every day for the next 5 years or so. Then I'll edit them together in a time lapse movie and put it up on YouTube or something.


Here is the project so far:
Fixing....

Right-click to Save As (http://www.warclan.net/Downloads/Freedom_Tower.wmv)

I need to find some suitable music so I'm open to any suggestions. I will update the video every few days.





WOW you are a big dork, but i love your video!!! you will win an academic award!!! play the main theme from Star Wars, after all the ^%##$$^ ego wars there.....

Dude, play either "The New World" by Dvorak, or "Jupiter Bringer of Jollity" by Holst.

very nice video there....that'll be cool once we have some beef down there. I suggest the theme song to the A-team.:dance2:

Well, if that's the case, then it should probably be in that one for the entire WTC complex and not the WTC1 only.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=471265

Actually, that thread doesn't cover 1WTC. But if you want it moved there, I have no problem with it.

Cool video dwalden. Appreciate your dorkyness! :okay:

That's a brilliant idea! I look forward to seeing it progress! (Although we have to hope the webcam starts to look up as the towers grow!

That video will be really cool when the tower is rising/finished.

That video will be really cool when the tower is rising/finished.

This building is cool and i live only 30 minutes away from it, thats even cooler. I will take pictures but only when it gets above ground, Manhattan is too crowded.

i think they should keep the stairway intact, if it's not in the way of any buildings or anything...which i dont think it is. it would be cool to visit and go inside it

^^
but IT IS! its right where TOWER 2 is gonna build up!
and you also can't go inside of sth totally out of concrete and steal -except you dare david copperfield!

if you ask me they should pull that old thing away and maybe bring it into some museum or just do -what they did with the rest of the WTC-throw it on a dump:cheers:

Ok, I fixed a few things and got the You Tube working.

Ok, I'm a huge dork and extremely bored while at work. So I started a seriously geeky project to occupy some of my time.

For those of you who don't know, the Freedom Tower construction site placed a high-res webcam that saves an image every 15 minutes:
http://www.earthcam.net/users2/interface.php?id=445&projectid=202&clientid=158
I decided to grab the 12:00 noon screenshot every day for the next 5 years or so. Then I'll edit them together in a time lapse movie and put it up on YouTube or something.


Here is the project so far:
You Tube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKuIfpDW6AQ)
IKuIfpDW6AQ

High Res Version:
Right-click to Save As (http://www.warclan.net/Downloads/Freedom_Tower.wmv)

I need to find some suitable music so I'm open to any suggestions. I will update the video every few days.

Just a few notes on the project:

- I was originally going to do 3-5 frames per day, but the moving shadows from the surrounding skyscrapers ruined the video when played quickly. I settled on 1 shot per day at noon EST.
- The video runs at one frame every 0.2 seconds (5 days per second)
- When it rains, the camera gets covered in water and is useless. Because of this, there are about 5 days missing since the project began on April 13. (this worries me about the winters)
- I also tried one of night shots, but I gave up the project. I may return to it later depending on how the day one goes.

Great to see your progress video. Should be fascinating to watch when finished.

You asked for some suggestions for accompanying music? How about this (even if a bit obvious)..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxoqzhgKReY

Or if not that, how about this.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKFYtUJFYVE

Ok, I fixed a few things and got the You Tube working.



Just a few notes on the project:

- I was originally going to do 3-5 frames per day, but the moving shadows from the surrounding skyscrapers ruined the video when played quickly. I settled on 1 shot per day at noon EST.
- The video runs at one frame every 0.2 seconds (5 days per second)
- When it rains, the camera gets covered in water and is useless. Because of this, there are about 5 days missing since the project began on April 13. (this worries me about the winters)
- I also tried one of night shots, but I gave up the project. I may return to it later depending on how the day one goes.

What happens when the tower gets too big that you cant see the construction from the cam anymore? Just end it there?

They've changed the angle of the cam several times.

What happens when the tower gets too big that you cant see the construction from the cam anymore? Just end it there?

That is the big question. Hopefully, they will change the angle as needed.

They've changed the angle of the cam several times.

No they haven't. From when it started on April 13, to today, the camera has been locked down on the same exact view.

and last year it was also the same ^^

No progres i suppose?

They should make a platform for people who want to photograph the construction off this nice tower and give them a clear view with no stupid 3 Meter high fences.... :S