Who knows. A lot of buildings go up for months before getting cladding, but some get cladding that follows closely behind the structure itself (like Trump Tower Chicago)

IIRC, the first cladding started appearing on Trump even before the first transfer floor was completed. Of course, since the plan was to open the hotel portion a good year prior to the completion of the entire structure, the rush was on.

1WTC is such an unique project the cladding could begin as soon as shortly after the base is complete or not until it's reached the 50th floor. I was just hoping someone might have some knowledge of the construction schedule to let us know what to expect this year.

If you fall into it KNOWING that it's there and SEEING that it's that large, then you deserve to fall into it.

we went through the whole waterfall thing back in 2008. There wasn't much to talking about back then, feels like forever ago lol.

Does anyone know when we might expect to see the first exterior cladding? You would think by late spring or early summer, but this project has "progressed" in such an, um, interesting manner, who knows?

3rd quarter 2010.

http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/milestones.html

^^And that is just the framework I think. It might even take longer to see the glass because it says 'Complete Installation of Podium Glass' for Q2 2011. Almost a year to just install glass on the podium seems a little long but I might be wrong.

I've been watching the earthcam and it looks like they'll be done the perimeter steel in the next couple days for the sixth floor -- and have the floor girders done by the end of the week!! Next week floor 7?! ;-)

I´m going to New York in July 2010, hope this building will have progressed by now.
Now there isnt a real icon in the skyline. Hopefully that will change when this monster is finished. Alot of people don´t see its NY when they see it´s skyline (not talking for us skyscraper lovers) but the general public, in 2013/14 they will recognise the skyline again!



And off topic; I always dreamed of living in NY, it sounds great to me, but now I read somewhere they did research and people in New York State are the most depressed people in the US, why?

I´m going to New York in July 2010, hope this building will have progressed by now.
Now there isnt a real icon in the skyline. Hopefully that will change when this monster is finished. Alot of people don´t see its NY when they see it´s skyline (not talking for us skyscraper lovers) but the general public, in 2013/14 they will recognise the skyline again!



And off topic; I always dreamed of living in NY, it sounds great to me, but now I read somewhere they did research and people in New York State are the most depressed people in the US, why?

Because of the weather maybe, winter ir horrendus here it's cold but you still don't get a lot of snow acumulation to "make it look pretty", it gets dark to soon but in the summer it's great the city really come to life great that you are visiting in july.

Because of the weather maybe, winter ir horrendus here it's cold but you still don't get a lot of snow acumulation to "make it look pretty", it gets dark to soon but in the summer it's great the city really come to life great that you are visiting in july.

lol, people in denmark are the happiest according to the poll.
in n.y. people still can be lucky with their weather :cheers:

I've been watching the earthcam and it looks like they'll be done the perimeter steel in the next couple days for the sixth floor -- and have the floor girders done by the end of the week!! Next week floor 7?! ;-)

Ummmm, next week floor 6M then 20. Hey, I didn't number them that's just the way it is, no floors 7 through 19.

gr8 updates guys, must be just under 200ft/60m. must update my diagram asap.
cheers

I´m going to New York in July 2010, hope this building will have progressed by now.
Now there isnt a real icon in the skyline. Hopefully that will change when this monster is finished. Alot of people don´t see its NY when they see it´s skyline (not talking for us skyscraper lovers) but the general public, in 2013/14 they will recognise the skyline again!



And off topic; I always dreamed of living in NY, it sounds great to me, but now I read somewhere they did research and people in New York State are the most depressed people in the US, why?

No icons in NYC really empire state, chrysler or any other tall building built in the 30s. Shit you be depressed to, doesnt matter if your poor or rich. The pressure to be on top is a bitch.

Ummmm, next week floor 6M then 20. Hey, I didn't number them that's just the way it is, no floors 7 through 19.

I know the base doesn't have any usable floors technically (mechanical), and the office floors start at 20 above the base. I'm just going off the physical count. Thanks for the clarification though.

I cant wait to see those giant corner columns!!

I´m going to New York in July 2010, hope this building will have progressed by now.
Now there isnt a real icon in the skyline. Hopefully that will change when this monster is finished. Alot of people don´t see its NY when they see it´s skyline (not talking for us skyscraper lovers) but the general public, in 2013/14 they will recognise the skyline again!



And off topic; I always dreamed of living in NY, it sounds great to me, but now I read somewhere they did research and people in New York State are the most depressed people in the US, why?

Empire State Building? Chrysler Building?

New Yorkers the most depressed people in US? Where did you read this non sense?

I cant wait to see those giant corner columns!!

3 to 6 weeks dude, and I am looking forward to there erection too.

They should rename Freedom tower to Yippee-ki-yay, mother%@#$r tower. :-)

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4054/4264202366_5aef1167e8_b.jpg




The base or " miniskirt" does not appear as tapered as the renders.

its clear picture...great up date...

New Yorkers the most depressed people in US? Where did you read this non sense?

http://www.cnbc.com/id/34526151?slide=11 but rember this is an offtopic.. So lets stay on track..

From wtcprogress.com (http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/index.html):
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/5923/wtcmemorial96pctsixpane.jpg

great process for that few moths :DD

Yeah, the site is really starting to take shape. :cheers:

So Nice. I like This Thread.

I wunder how they got that percentage of 95%.
To me it looks like there is more steel to install than just 5% of the memorial.
Ow well, as long as they finish the memorial on 2011 it's ok to me! ;)

;50065931']I wunder how they got that percentage of 95%.
To me it looks like there is more steel to install than just 5% of the memorial.
Ow well, as long as they finish the memorial on 2011 it's ok to me! ;)

I thought the same thing. Looks like there is still a bit of steel that needs to go in the NE corner of the south pool. As well as over the section in the south on Liberty St. Plus all the deckover steel over the PATH roof.

Maybe they are counting the rest of the NE section steel as part of the Pavilion?

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4054/4264202366_5aef1167e8_b.jpg

The base or " miniskirt" does not appear as tapered as the renders.

Nice picture, with an impressive Beekman Place in the distance. :cool:

Looks like Earthcam will have to readjust the camera next week or the new floors will be out of the frame.

The earthcam is for the 9/11 memorial. Don't expect them to readjust.

Looks like Earthcam will have to readjust the camera next week or the new floors will be out of the frame.

there is going to be more than enough pictures daily from people. I would love them to move cam down a little so we can see transportation hub and wtc 4.

You can see the transportation hub and tower 4 using this cam:

http://rebuildgroundzero.org/webcam/rgz_000.jpg?1251730626102

The glare on that cam in the morning hours is UN REAL!

You can see the transportation hub and tower 4 using this cam:

http://rebuildgroundzero.org/webcam/rgz_000.jpg?1251730626102

#1 quality is sucks!

#2 In morning you cant see jack $hit because of sun.

#3 Already knew about this cam long time ago

why couldn't earthcam just put any canon/nikon 10mpix camera, cram it into a weatherproof box and put it on a roof overlooking ground zero

Because earthcam has a history of just being horrible.

#1 quality is sucks!

#2 In morning you cant see jack $hit because of sun.

#3 Already knew about this cam long time ago

That's not his fault, he is just trying to be helpful and posting the link in this thread. Tone it down a little bit.

Just be happy we a have a webcam, for us to view.

A WTC related update, from the Broadsheet Daily.

"130 Liberty St. Update: On Saturday, Jan. 15th, contractor Bovis Lend Lease plans to lower the tower crane 36 feet from what was the 27th floor to the 23rd floor. This will involve removal of four sections of the tower. On Sunday, Jan. 16th, contractor Bovis Lend Lease plans to lower the hoist from the 19th floor to the 17th floor."

Why are they doing that? o_O

he means the deutsche bank building not this one.

Which means it's good news for 5WTC.

Which means it's good news for 5WTC.

huh?

also....

Spielberg Exec-Producing Ground Zero Doc

PASADENA: Science Channel has given the greenlight to Rebuilding Ground Zero, a six-part documentary series from Steven Spielberg, DreamWorks Television and KPI Productions that will air in 2011.

Spielberg will serve as executive producer and creative adviser on the show, which was conceived by professional architect Danny Forster (host and producer of Science Channel's Build it Bigger) and Emmy Award-winning filmmaker Jonathan Hock. Rebuilding Ground Zero will chronicle the building of the new One World Trade Center through the eyes of architects, engineers, construction workers and city planners. The series will feature 3D, high-definition, time-lapse cameras and fourth-dimensional computer modeling techniques. Science Channel cameras have been granted access from the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey and the Lower Manhattan Construction Command Center (LMCCC). Each episode will focus on one aspect of the project, from constructing the 1,776-foot tower at One World Trade Center to the memorials, park, underground museum and transportation hub being erected at the site.

"As we developed this project we realized no one could tell the story of the amazing engineering feats and the intimate portraits of the heroes involved better than Spielberg and DreamWorks Television," said Debbie Myers, Science Channel's general manager. "Ground Zero is an icon of America's strength, courage and dreams of the future. Through Rebuilding Ground Zero viewers will travel through the fascinating engineering mastery and emotional journeys of those involved in rebuilding the area."

http://www.worldscreen.com/articles/display/23890

FUCK. YES.

Which means it's good news for 5WTC.

Let's just worry about getting 2-4WTC built first before trying to get 5WTC started.

But getting the Deutsche Bank Building down is very good news for starting the critical Vechicle Security Center construction.

From wtcprogress.com (http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/index.html):
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/5923/wtcmemorial96pctsixpane.jpg

looking in the photo on the top right.

When is the west highway city re-beautification going to be completed. That road looks like a real shit storm to drive through there at the moment.

looking in the photo on the top right.

When is the west highway city re-beautification going to be completed. That road looks like a real shit storm to drive through there at the moment.

I don't think it looks too bad. Three lanes are still open for both directions. It'll look much nicer once they realign the street back to the old way and plant some trees.

the progress its good speed...

huh?

also....

Spielberg Exec-Producing Ground Zero Doc

PASADENA: Science Channel has given the greenlight to Rebuilding Ground Zero, a six-part documentary series from Steven Spielberg, DreamWorks Television and KPI Productions that will air in 2011.

Spielberg will serve as executive producer and creative adviser on the show, which was conceived by professional architect Danny Forster (host and producer of Science Channel's Build it Bigger) ...
http://www.worldscreen.com/articles/display/23890


This sounds really great! Should be awesome, especially if Danny Forster isn't the host on it (fingers crossed).

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Amazing progress. Good to see this NY icon rising!

Where the V shaped columns end is where the bottom/base floors end and the upper part of the tower starts right?

Amazing progress. Good to see this NY icon rising!

Where the V shaped columns end is where the bottom/base floors end and the upper part of the tower starts right?

Exactly..:)

At this month’s Community Board 1 World Trade Center (WTC) Committee meeting, the Port Authority reported that progress inside the site is clearer than ever, with structural steel installation rapidly going up in three corners of the site.

The quarterly update was presented by the Port’s Assistant Director of WTC Construction Quentin Brathwaite. He said that 95 percent of steel is in place at the National 9/11 Memorial, where concrete is being poured to form the plaza and twin reflecting pools. Utility work, remaining structural work, and permanent stairway construction are taking place there below grade. Brathwaite confirmed that the Memorial will be accepting its first visitors on the 10th anniversary of 9/11.

On the Memorial’s north side, the steel superstructure of 1 World Trade Center is making constant visible progress having reached 155 feet in late December. Those base floors will serve the buildings mechanicals, with actual tenant floors 20 through 90 which will begin rise in the last week on January first week of February. Meanwhile, 4 WTC’s steel superstructure also has been going up steadily since late December 2009 reaching 38 feet high.

The construction at 1 WTC is being coordinated with several sub-grade components of the WTC Transportation Hub. The pedestrian underpass on the tower’s south side is taking its final form with steel “ribs” now in place to form the tunnel, while east of the tower the Port has brought in a new crane to help with steel installation over the PATH station. Modifications inside that station are also visible, as crews protect rider areas from work areas for the permanent station, including structural steel work.

Excavation below the 1 subway box that travels through the WTC site continues. Crews from contractor Tutor Perini are supporting the box while digging beneath it, making room for the pedestrian tunnel to link to the main Hub building in the east bathtub. A giant crane is expected to be installed over the 1 box soon, so massive steel members can be lifted from surrounding streets into place for the Hub’s main building.

The South Bathtub excavation continues, with Port Authority crews working with the state Department of Transportation to reconfigure the Liberty Street pedestrian bridge. Preliminary work for the bridge’s relocation began recently and is expected to take several weeks, after which the Port will be able to complete its south bathtub construction.

Brathwaite also said that his Office of Program Logistics continues to perform quality-of-life improvements for both the short and long term. Working with Sam Schwarz Engineering to help maintain and improve traffic flow and crossings in the vicinity, the Port is looking to accommodate increased trucking -- expected to peak in 2011. It also is exploring options for bus access and parking for the WTC site.

Responding to a board member’s question, Brathwaite had no update on when the arbitration decision is expected, now that the Port Authority and Silverstein Properties arguments about the three east-side towers’ financing have been heard. He iterated that the judges are not bound by a deadline, and that all parties are “anxiously awaiting the decision.”

They're pouring the concrete for the the southeast corner of the South Pool right now!

I'm so excited! Office floors in the very near future. :3 I really can't wait to see this sucker overtake downtown.

I can't wait to see the new skyline! It's going to be beautiful.

In the last picture, it seems to me that construction is to much close to the other tower... Is it?

Finally we are seeing visible progress almost every day.

In the last picture, it seems to me that construction is to much close to the other tower... Is it?

Nope, just the shadows cast by 1WTC. It's got an entire street between both buildings.

Yay, real progress!

- A

Can't wait to see the finished tower for real !

This sounds really great! Should be awesome, especially if Danny Forster isn't the host on it (fingers crossed).

Yeah....I can't imagine why they'd pick that dufus. Do all the reality shows have to have a goofy host [think Extreme makeover Home Edition]?

It will be really nice looking.

In the last picture, it seems to me that construction is to much close to the other tower... Is it?It's an optical illusion. The corners of the base are chamfered, which makes it look like the tower is growing increasingly out toward the Verizon building. With the next floor, however, the building will have extended out as far as it's going to. From that point upward, it will chamfer back in to create the alternating triangles. The construction will then appear to be retreating from the Verizon building.

what are the yellow things they layed down over the newly poured concrete on the South Pool?

whatever they were they took them off this morning

What a difference in one year!

Jan 16, 2009.
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/1825/megapixelcamera20090116.jpg

Jan 16, 2010.
http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/9751/11610.jpg

well now it looks ok..the progress is there

wouldn't be great if they where building this.. secretly

http://mysite.verizon.net/rfh2/writings/theIllinois.jpg

similar base :p

what are the yellow things they layed down over the newly poured concrete on the South Pool?

whatever they were they took them off this morning

Probably some protection for the new concrete to protect it from low temperatures...

I hope they work tomorrow, but i think they are calling for rain, also on the left side of the transportation hub it looks like they brought in some big steel beams!

doubt they work tomorrow, gonna be a washout

They might work....the rain may come later in the afternoon :)

Picture by GreenwichBoy, WNY, today. Looks like the scaffolding has moved up. We could see the next level of core steel next week!

http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8270&d=1263675161

Picture by GreenwichBoy, WNY, today. Looks like the scaffolding has moved up. We could see the next level of core steel next week!

http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8270&d=1263675161

Awesome, they are almost done the base! :)

wouldn't be great if they where building this.. secretly

http://mysite.verizon.net/rfh2/writings/theIllinois.jpg

similar base :p


what is that? mile high tower?

what is that? mile high tower?
The Illinois, designed by Frank Lloyd Wright.

thanks, now i can see it sais so on the picture LOL

Looks like the Deutsche Bank site is going to be empty after the building is done being taken down.

Port Authority Rejects 130 Liberty Street as Site for WTC Arts Center

By Matt Dunning
UPDATED Jan. 14

Putting an end to months of speculation over the final location for a performing arts center at the new World Trade Center, Port Authority officials said this week that the 1,000-seat theater and rehearsal facility will be built in the space originally intended for it rather than on land now occupied by the former Deutsche Bank tower at 130 Liberty Street.

The Authority, along with the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation, had been mulling the idea of putting the arts center at 130 Liberty Street, on the south side of the 16-acre site. There was hope that the move could have delivered the arts center years ahead of its projected opening—in 2017—were it to be built in its originally planned location.

The site of the theater is next to the 1,776 foot high One World Trade Center (formerly the Freedom Tower) at the corner of Greenwich and Vesey Streets.

“The ultimate determination was that the north side would be the most appropriate location for a performing arts complex,” Port Authority spokesman Glen Guzi told a Community Board 1 committee on Jan. 11.

The Authority’s construction of the subterranean support structure that will hold up the 9/11 Memorial Park, transportation hub and a host of pedestrian and vehicular tunnels is progressing steadily through the western half of the 16-acre World Trade Center site. Guzi said. The upcoming phases of that work, scheduled to begin in the next few weeks, include a series of steel columns and sheer walls meant to support a performing arts center.

“The good news is that we are moving in a direction that will create the below-grade structure that will house the performing arts center,” Guzi said.

While the Port Authority is undertaking the support structure for the center—to be designed by architect Frank Gehry—construction of the actual building will be the city’s responsibility.

With the issue of the center’s location finally resolved, the center now needs a final design, a governance board and, perhaps most importantly, funding for its construction. The LMDC has pledged $50 for design and construction, but the center will need much more than that if it is ever to become a reality.

“The Performing Arts Center will help strengthen Lower Manhattan’s cultural community, and enhance the experience of the WTC site for residents and visitors alike,” said city Cultural Affairs Commissioner Kate D. Levin. “It is essential that we continue to move forward to ensure that the site originally designated in the master plan remains viable.”

Even with the underground supports in place, the city will have to wait at least five years to start construction on the actual building. The temporary PATH station, which is on part of arts center’s site, can’t be removed until the new Santiago Calatrava-designed transportation hub is finished in 2014.

If and when it is ever built, the arts center would house a 1,000-seat theater, a smaller auditorium or recital hall, and extensive rehearsal and set storage space and offices, Levin said. It is also planned to be the new home for the Joyce Theater Company.
http://tribecatrib.com/news/2010/january/476_port-authority-rejects-130-liberty-street-as-site-for-wtc-arts-center.html

Delete.

I'm glad the Performing Arts Center will go near 1WTC. That would've been a large empty void. The Deutsch site is large enough for a future office or hotel/residential tower. The only downside is the arts center probably won't be completed till 2017 or later.

If you look on the third earth cam they have put several items on the ground near tower 3, more than likely for the transportation hub, but still there is hope

Good to see this pics!
New York's Skyline is the best in the world! I love this city! :)

Rained out and even more rain for tomorrow.

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/8808/wtc59c.jpg (http://img18.imageshack.us/i/wtc59c.jpg/)

--zippythechimp

putting up new core steel wow they are going quick! lately

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/8808/wtc59c.jpg (http://img18.imageshack.us/i/wtc59c.jpg/)

--zippythechimp

Fantastic picture! The perspective is better than an overview, because I can actually tell how tall it is. Thanks for posting.

Well, the first core steel just reached the 20th floor:)

It took about 3 1/2 weeks to complete the latest floor. Counting from rasing the scaffolding and core steel to the newest floor. Seemed quicker than that. So this new floor should be finished by the end of the second week in February.

Looks like we've finally reached ~186 feet high.

wow they are finally getting closer to ground with the transportation hub any estimates of when they will be to the ground with it

It took about 3 1/2 weeks to complete the latest floor. Counting from rasing the scaffolding and core steel to the newest floor. Seemed quicker than that. So this new floor should be finished by the end of the second week in February.

Looks like we've finally reached ~186 feet high.

Some more notes. The start of core steel up to the 5th floor started on Nov 6, 09. Core steel moved up to 6th floor on Dec 23rd. Scaffolding and core steel rose beginning Jan 16-18.

Between 5th and 6th floors they took 7 weeks.
Between 6th and 7/20th floors they took 3.5 weeks.

Faster and faster.

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Nice Photos.
Know everyone wherefore the white long thing at the corner is ?

Nice Photos.
Know everyone wherefore the white long thing at the corner is ?

??? Describe better. Maybe the construction elevator truss... ???

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4034/4287918969_05393f443b_b.jpg

maybe they´re rain water pipes?

Or it is for the concrete. When the tower is above 1000 feet. They must bring the concrete in this high. Maby with such pipesystems. (Sorry for my bad english)

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4034/4287918969_05393f443b_b.jpg

That will support a baffle between the intake and exhaust portions of the air plenum that surrounds the mechanical floors. Two sides of the building are intake, the other two exhaust.

South tower crane jumped!

Nice Photos.
Know everyone wherefore the white long thing at the corner is ?

The one on the south is suspiciously close to certain facilities.

It looks like they put a plastic shroud over the sub level hanging from the top of the lobby area. I don't know what they could be doing that for, but I'm sure we'll find out soon enough.

The one on the south is suspiciously close to certain facilities.

:lol::lol::lol:

great progress also great photo...can wait to see more progress...

Wow, it grows so fast!

By GreenwichBoy, WNY, 1-20-10.

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8293&d=1263996877

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8294&d=1263996890

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8295&d=1263996906

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8296&d=1263996919

That horizontal beam is the first standard office floor?

^^
I believe so, yes.

Overall height should be about 190 feet.

you can see the Subway shop container now :banana:

hip hip hooray, that saved the day.

great progress.

That will support a baffle between the intake and exhaust portions of the air plenum that surrounds the mechanical floors. Two sides of the building are intake, the other two exhaust.

Not quite, the baffle is for wind control, the intakes are all going to be at the top of the tower, 91st thru 93rd floors.

That horizontal beam is the first standard office floor?

Yes, the "20th floor" or 186' 8" or 56.8959 meters.

Serpa, Wired New York:
"Preparations commence in two weeks. We should start to see the first panels around the end of Feb!"


:cheers:

Serpa, Wired New York:


:cheers:

I thought that wasn't set to begin till at least 3rd Quarter of this year. There wasn't any mention of it in the latest PA quarterly report. Nothing on lowermanhattan.info, Broadsheet Daily construction notices, wtcprogress.

Hmmmm.

I thought that wasn't set to begin till at least 3rd Quarter of this year. There wasn't any mention of it in the latest PA quarterly report. Nothing on lowermanhattan.info, Broadsheet Daily construction notices, wtcprogress.

Hmmmm.

Yeah strange.. I too remember that it was the 3rd Quarter of this year. This seems a bit too fast....

We are making real progress. Three of the web-cams I refer to cannot adequately cover the entire top of the building. That is great!

Bugs

Yes, the "20th floor" or 186' 8" or 56.8959 meters.

I'm getting tired of these vague, ballpark figures. Not even to the 1/100th of a millimeter.

I think the first 'V' shaped column is complete now. The top part seems te be black/grey steel

Edit: lol ok it's just the shadow, nevermind :D

I think the first 'V' shaped column is complete now. The top part seems te be black/grey steel

Edit: lol ok it's just the shadow, nevermind :D

lol you got me excited, for nothing, there was some typr of silver steel delievered this morning dk what for, i didnt see any core columns so i guess none will go up today, question what is happening on the north side of the building on the ground they put wood down covered it with plastic what is it for

lol you got me excited, for nothing, there was some typr of silver steel delievered this morning dk what for, i didnt see any core columns so i guess none will go up today, question what is happening on the north side of the building on the ground they put wood down covered it with plastic what is it for

looks like they poured concrete for the missing piece of the Vesey Street cutback.

The #4 core platform assembly is being raised. I never saw the finished product as a result of these platforms. What is being built around them?

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The much - anticipated Crysis 2 will take place in New York. Maybe we will have the chance to witness a completed Freedom Tower rendered with Cryengine, and attacked by Aliens? That will be cool :p

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Sweet:cheers:

north crane is jumping !

Is it just my awful vision or have they poured some concrete onto the 2nd floor level?

Is it just my awful vision or have they poured some concrete onto the 2nd floor level?

that what they did today

Is it just my awful vision or have they poured some concrete onto the 2nd floor level?

I believe that's the 3rd floor, and yes, it does appear they've poured some concrete.

you can see the Subway shop container now :banana:

I don't see it. Can you point it out for me?

I don't see it. Can you point it out for me?

It's not visible anymore. It's located in the platform to the west of the north tower crane. When they finish a floor and move the platform up you can see it. But once the crane jumps its gone from view.

I don't see it. Can you point it out for me?

Sure thing, i got a kick out of it so I got the screen shot then! Spectre000 is correct, it is out of view now.

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^^ With the reflection, WTC 7 really looks like its made out of air.

WTC 7 is a new building? :cheers2:

WTC 7 is a new building? :cheers2:

I believe it replaced the old WTC 7 after it was collapsed under the heavy debris from the twin towers at 9/11. Its a few years old.

^^ Its the building behind the freedom tower, the completed glass-type tower.
In the photos, like this below photo, for what purpose/reason they covered the building with this white stuff?
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I'm visiting this tread for almost four years, and last year I even visited ground zero. I know that a lot was done during these four years, but the tower still rise soooo slowly. When can we expect a faster growth (let's say 1 floor in a week or even faster)?

I'm visiting this tread for almost four years, and last year I even visited ground zero. I know that a lot was done during these four years, but the tower still rise soooo slowly. When can we expect a faster growth (let's say 1 floor in a week or even faster)?

The PA has stated the office floors will go up at the rate of one floor per week. Let's hope so. The last floor finished (the 6th) took 3.5 weeks. The 5th floor took 7 weeks. So they are getting faster. We can expect them to be around the 45-50th floor by the end of the year.

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In the middle of the south entryway, it looks like they are starting on the concrete blast protection wall.

They've been working on that for a while now, actually.

The white sheet covering the lobby roof, what is it for?

Is it possible it's for concrete pour on that floor?

I hope they finish the base quickly so that they can start working on the main floors..this is taking so much time

I hope they finish the base quickly so that they can start working on the main floors..this is taking so much time

Totally agree..:cheers:

I don't agree.

Right now it's actually going as fast as most towers at this stage of construction, in other words there's no need to bitch about the speed anymore.

That shot of WTC7 is awesome looking

I don't agree.

Right now it's actually going as fast as most towers at this stage of construction, in other words there's no need to bitch about the speed anymore.

Yes I agree....I was weary of those posts when it was slow....now that it's going quickly, there's no reason to post nonsense about the speed. IIRC this is the first COMPLETE SEVERAL BLOCK AREA of towers rebuilt from a terrorist attack in the history of NYC. Why can't some of the knotheads understand the enormity of this undertaking without bitchin' about speed?

Is it safe to say the steel that is up for the core (start of the office floors) is for two floors or just one?

Is it safe to say the steel that is up for the core (start of the office floors) is for two floors or just one?

I'm not sure if I understand your question completely. But I believe the core steel that is erected above the sixth floor will support floor 6M (mechanical) and then the 20th (office) floor.

So maybe in the future they will put up core steel to support two office floors at once.

That shot of WTC7 is awesome looking

Yeah, its like the building is transparent and you can see the sky behind... Very nice.

I'm not sure if I understand your question completely. But I believe the core steel that is erected above the sixth floor will support floor 6M (mechanical) and then the 20th (office) floor.

So maybe in the future they will put up core steel to support two office floors at once.

thanks, yes that's what I mean, it appears that the horizontal supports and the height involved, looks like it would support 6M and the 20th floor. :)

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4048/4296543140_023e544b79_b.jpg

What are they doing there ?

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What are they doing there ?

i think is a new crane

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What are they doing there ?[/QUOTE]

That is the boom of a tower crane. Don't get to excited though, it's not for a new crane unless they snuck one in out of sight of the cams.

The 2 tower cranes were put up in April 2007 one or both may be due for a boom change.

Ok I give. What the HELL has the post #12644 above have ANYTHING to do with the CONSTRUCTION of the WTC Tower number 1? Look you bunch of MORONS, I have been in this forum for sometime now and I'm pretty sick of you idiots posting Crap like that in here. Also while I'm on a roll, Stop complaining about the speed of this project. If you don't like it go get a job in the construction industry and then see what actually goes on everyday in and around a job site. You people are complete IDIOTS. It will get done when the last piece of material is in PLACE.
Now go watch your Computer Games and feel sorry for yourself becuase your all IDIOTS.

You might want to take a few courses in grammar before you start degrading other people's intelligence.

I know it. They make the kran arm shorter

^^ that would be my first guess. It may also have been damaged or failed it's last inspection.

yes the speed at this rate is fine. I was down there November and this thing looks totally different. I haven't been down since and I don't plan on going back to its taller then the building surrounding it.

I want to go to the town which was cool most in the world.

Sure thing, i got a kick out of it so I got the screen shot then! Spectre000 is correct, it is out of view now.

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc18/gt2437/wtc-subwayshop.jpg

The shop will eventually move up once the floors goes higher and accessibility is complicated. It's not like we won't be able to see it at all times.

Or it could stay there since the concrete and all the steels for the core looks like they've blocked off the space needed for rising the container.

It`s time for a third tower crane. They will replace the manitowoc 16000 from the west side to the east side. The big crawler crane will work in furture on tranportation hub. Thats why they build the wood way on the north side, IMO.

NEW YORK – The waterfalls meant to evoke memories of the Sept. 11 dead stand three stories high in a field in Brooklyn, spilling down into a pool. Four large American flags poke through the grass to mark off each corner of a World Trade Center tower footprint.

For more than three weeks, builders of the Sept. 11 memorial have been tinkering with details like water flow and year-round heating with a mock-up of the cascades, part of Michael Arad's "Reflecting Absence" memorial at ground zero.

The architect saw the waterfalls — which will empty into huge reflecting pools set above the spots where the towers once stood — tested for the first time Friday as they were demonstrated for The Associated Press.

"One of the things I wanted the water and the design to do is to mark this continuous sense of absence," Arad said. "These voids, even though water falls into them ... they never fill up, they always remain empty, and that was very important to me," he added.

The waterfall-filled pools are the centerpiece of a memorial plaza that will take up half of the 16-acre site at ground zero. The pools will be surrounded by hundreds of sweetgum and white oak trees on a cobblestoned plaza; a memorial museum is being built below ground that will open about a year after the memorial.

The foundation overseeing the memorial raised $350 million privately to build it; the government agency that owns ground zero is spending hundreds of millions more on infrastructure at the site. Two of five planned skyscrapers and a multibillion-dollar transit hub are also under construction.

The waterfall mock-up being tested in Brooklyn is 40 feet wide, representing a corner of two walls of one pool — a fraction of its actual 176-foot perimeter. The waterfalls will drop 30 feet and then another 16 feet into a center void. Each will pump 26,000 gallons of water per minute.

Visitors on Friday looked up at the waterfalls. Once the memorials open at ground zero in lower Manhattan by the 10th anniversary of the 2001 attack, visitors will look down on them from street level. A low wall covered by bronze panels inscribed with nearly 3,000 victims' names will surround the pools.

blue"]Both the waterfalls and the name panels will be backlit at night, giving them a glow that will reinforce "the memorial is about the absence of the 2,982 people that were lost," said Joe Daniels, who heads the foundation overseeing the memorial.[/COLOR]

The mock-up was created primarily to test the weir, a small dam with fingerlike structures that helps create a rope-like water flow. It's where the water falls from the plaza level down to the base of the pool.

"The testing was required so that just the right veil of water ... is exactly what the designers are hoping to achieve," Daniels said.

The weir, made of darkened stainless steel, will be installed at ground zero within a few months after the rest of the mock-up is dismantled next week.

Memorial builders have tested the waterfalls' mechanism in Brooklyn dozens of times, adjusting and tweaking the flow of the water and how it hit the pool. They even tested to see whether flowers and other mementos left by visitors would disrupt the flow if they got stuck between the grooves.

"We've got it to the point where we've conquered the beast," project manager Ron Vega said Friday.

Once the waterfalls are turned on, "our intention is to run it forever," he said.

Memorial builders will fully install the waterfalls by spring 2011 so that they run by Sept. 11, 2011, Vega said.

The Brooklyn site also has a mock-up of the wall that will support the name panels. Most of it is in wood, but a 10-foot section is fashioned with the materials that will be used at the memorial site: granite for the walls, bronze for the name panels.

Fictitious names were cut into the metal and left outdoors since March to determine how the bronze would react to outdoor elements, whether snow or leaves would get stuck in lettering.

"Something like 1,400 linear feet of bronze, a massive amount" will be used for the panels, said Daniels. Each pool will have 76 name panels.

The mock-up also resulted in cutting off the sharp edges of the wall corner, enabling wheelchairs to pull up close. After the change, Arad realized the twin towers had similar edges.

A smaller mock-up of the waterfalls was tested in Canada four years ago. Made of plywood, it was built to see how it would function in extreme cold and to document levels of the falling water.

Builders later decided to install heaters that could be turned on when the temperature drops below freezing. But hiding the device while still making it accessible presented a challenge, he said.

A design adjustment that slightly separated the falls at the uppermost corner took care of that, allowing the device to be hidden in that spot under the metal of the weir. The small alteration also made the two corner falls appear more distinct from one another.

"I'm hoping the sound of the water will create a sense of place and being somewhat buffered from the city beyond while still being firmly within it," Arad said, creating "an environment that is conducive to contemplation in the middle of the city."

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NEW YORK – The waterfalls meant to evoke memories of the Sept. 11 dead stand three stories high in a field in Brooklyn, spilling down into a pool. Four large American flags poke through the grass to mark off each corner of a World Trade Center tower footprint.

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The top left picture somewhat reminds me of the top floor of the old World Trade Center.

I bet that was intentional. I seem to remember reading somewhere that the bands of water were meant to evoke the image of the original towers' vertical windows.

your all IDIOTS.
find the irony

find the irony

He used "your" instead of "you're," which is improper English grammar. Now to get back on topic.

I bet that was intentional. I seem to remember reading somewhere that the bands of water were meant to evoke the image of the original towers' vertical windows.

Do you have any vague idea where? It's cool anyway, regardless if it was intentional or not.

It has to be intentional...it looks too real to have been accidental. Very cool.

BTW, you couldn't pay me enough to do that crane work a couple posts down..:ohno::eek2:

I can only imagine now how absolutely amazing it is going to be to have two enormous waterfalls in lower manhattan. The sound is going to be incredible.....and its in freakin manhattan. This is probally the best way we can say F U terrorists and thanks for the new waterfalls bitch.

huge project congrats

Ok I give. What the HELL has the post #12644 above have ANYTHING to do with the CONSTRUCTION of the WTC Tower number 1? Look you bunch of MORONS, I have been in this forum for sometime now and I'm pretty sick of you idiots posting Crap like that in here. Also while I'm on a roll, Stop complaining about the speed of this project. If you don't like it go get a job in the construction industry and then see what actually goes on everyday in and around a job site. You people are complete IDIOTS. It will get done when the last piece of material is in PLACE.
Now go watch your Computer Games and feel sorry for yourself becuase your all IDIOTS.
:lol:..........Yes.....that was very helpful:bash:

This is likely the most watched construction project in the united states. Probably miles and miles worth of red tape, not to mention the fact that this isn't just a skyscraper but a transportation hub as well.....really the most arduous part of the construction is done....imho....up up and away!!!!:banana:

oh!!! and the waterfall is kickass....love it!!!!!!

I can only imagine now how absolutely amazing it is going to be to have two enormous waterfalls in lower manhattan. The sound is going to be incredible.....and its in freakin manhattan. This is probally the best way we can say F U terrorists and thanks for the new waterfalls bitch.

hahahah :applause: love the last part ...

Hi all mates,

From an aesthetic point I really think that Al Quaida did quite a good job.
The twin towers didn´t fit in the skyline. They were too massive. The new
towers will fit very well. :cheers:

Hi all mates,

From an aesthetic point I really think that Al Quaida did quite a good job.
The twin towers didn´t fit in the skyline. They were too massive. The new
towers will fit very well. :cheers:

Haha. Al Quaida became fashion police :D

Hi all mates,

From an aesthetic point I really think that Al Quaida did quite a good job.
The twin towers didn´t fit in the skyline. They were too massive. The new
towers will fit very well. :cheers:

That is not a good statment at all, we would do anything to get the twin towers back and stop the 9/11 attacks from ever happening. :ohno:

Hi all mates,

From an aesthetic point I really think that Al Quaida did quite a good job.
The twin towers didn´t fit in the skyline. They were too massive. The new
towers will fit very well. :cheers:
1WTC alone doesn't impress me much, design-wise. I'll only agree with you when towers 2 & 3 finally get built, because the complex as a whole is perfect.

I truly hope that the black walls in the mockup are just temporary for the sake of the mockup and that the walls of the actual reflection pools aren't going to be black. That would be the ugliest, most depressing memorial in history. The renderings show them as blue/bluish purple, which looks really nice.

Hi all mates,

From an aesthetic point I really think that Al Quaida did quite a good job.
The twin towers didn´t fit in the skyline. They were too massive. The new
towers will fit very well. :cheers:

Now, if only one tower fell during 9/11 (imagine one of the planes missed), things would get really weird...

Thanks for the info on the 9/11 Memorial. I am sure it will be quite impressive.

Hi all mates,

From an aesthetic point I really think that Al Quaida did quite a good job.
The twin towers didn´t fit in the skyline. They were too massive. The new
towers will fit very well. :cheers:

thats strange. I wonder if they attack your town, kill thousands of your friends and family if you'll feel the same way I think not. Getting back on topic

thats strange. I wonder if they attack your town, kill thousands of your friends and family if you'll feel the same way I think not. Getting back on topic
What does killing friends and family have to do with architectural aesthetics? Point is that the new WTC complex will be superior to the old one, regardless of whether the demolition of the previous one with involuntary or not.

Hi all mates,

From an aesthetic point I really think that Al Quaida did quite a good job.
The twin towers didn´t fit in the skyline. They were too massive. The new
towers will fit very well. :cheers:

I wouldnt say they did a good job (you did say from an aesthetic standpoint so I wont look any deeper into that comment) but for what happened were doing a good job now. I agree that they didnt fit in, but that is what made them amazing out of the blue were two identical buildings twice the size of everything else in lower manhattan. The new ones do fit in a little better but id give anything to get the old twins back. Yes they were enormous, bland, dated, but at the same time they were scaled appropriately to the wfc being twice their size. This is purely my opinion but I loved the way that they showed right on their facades what time period they were from....after the stone clad art deco era but just before the modern all glass buildings we see now. The way that they looked like they had no windows at all while having thousands of them and how they had unbroken vertical lines from the street right to the top just to go yeah were that friggin tall. I absolutely LOVED these buildings but since what happened happened and were not in the 70s anymore the new design is going to be great. Even though the design of the new buildings are more beautiful, scaled, modern, and elegant and the hub plus the waterfalls is going to be no doubt better than before I dont think any design could have truely been better than what used to be there. I dont even really know why but for some reason the old design was perfect, I really really realllllyyyyyyyy miss those two.

The old WTC was an icon for New York, and it rarely happens than an icon gets destroyed or demolished so it feels strange. Maybe the new WTC is better technical and design-wise but it cannot replace the old WTC. It's the same as removing the eiffel tower and building some new ultra modern glass tower in place. The new tower could be better design and technical-wise but everyone would hate because it's not THE icon that defined Paris. Because eiffel-tower = Paris, just as the old WTC = New York. Maybe after 50 years people would see the new WTC without thinking of the old one. (I'm 21 now, and when I think of New York, the image of the old twin towers flashes trough my mind, than my brains say "oh yeah right it was destroyed in 2001" and then "oh, but the new WTC will be awesome too" all of that in a split-second), and maybe then it would become the new icon that defines New York.

An icon is something in the minds of people, it cannot be replaced as fast as the building itself.

This project is incredible congratulations!!! :)

............

So will this building have a concrete core or not?

So will this building have a concrete core or not?

Yes. They all will.

Yes. They all will.

yo homie link like this...long live the World Trade,
long live the king yo,
I’m from the Empire State thats
In New York!!!!
Concrete jungle where dreams are made of,
There's nothing you can’t do,
Now you're in New York!!!
These streets will make you feel brand new,
the lights will inspire you,
Let's hear it for New York, New York, New York

yea..I love this song..simple and very HOT AND ALSO BIG:yes: I will mary alicia keys i love you boo:kiss:
that is some gorgeus building
enough said

I would never chose new designe over old one.
But it is what it is.

I would never chose new designe over old one.
But it is what it is.



yup it is what it is ... which is crap

:hahaha: that's what's up man...you are a bad ass...:lol:..."New York!!!!
Concrete jungle where dreams are made of,
There's nothing you can’t do,
Now you're in New York!!!
These streets will make you feel brand new,
the lights will inspire you,
Let's hear it for New York, New York, New York love ya city man...but can I at least talk bout VEGAS or LA???:lol: one love peace:okay:

Dude, what the hell is wrong with you. Quoting an Admin like that is unnecessary and unacceptable, if I see that again I'll suspend your account for 10 days understood?

What does killing friends and family have to do with architectural aesthetics? Point is that the new WTC complex will be superior to the old one, regardless of whether the demolition of the previous one with involuntary or not.

the fact that people died to make way for this building is my point. His said Al Quaida did a good job, the fact you don't see anything wrong with that speaks for its self.

Dude, what the hell is wrong with you. Quoting an Admin like that is unnecessary and unacceptable, if I see that again I'll suspend your account for 10 days understood?

I need your help please...Ni3lS I need you to help me put one thread to the supertall proposed...I was just try to be funny..And was just a joke can't you take a joke?sorry then..I 'll delete then...

how is this thread getting so vile....don't talk about this and don't talk about that! Talk about what i want you to talk about? as far as i can see relating the old and the new makes perfct sense in this thread. Aren't the asthetics of the new and old, both, whether you like them or not, important to the architectural community? Furthermore and even more importantly,(while the validity of wether or not the old should be talked about in this thread is debateable) since when has skyscrapercity started censoring peoples opinions? I like this building myself but, if i didn't, i think i have the right to say so in a respectful manner, regardless who does or doesn't agree. A building may not be to my liking but that doesn't mean that the thread is not for me!!!!! These threads are for everyone!!!!

the fact that people died to make way for this building is my point. His said Al Quaida did a good job, the fact you don't see anything wrong with that speaks for its self.

I didn´t say that it was the right way what Al Quaida did. Of course it is
NOT o.k. killing innocent people. But that is exactly what the U.S. army
does all the time. So the feeling of revenge is understandable. As long as
America fights in wars around the world it has to pay the price for it and the
price will be terroristic attacks. If America wants to live in peace it just
has to stop playing the worldpolice and stop fitting out Israel with
weapons. I really don´t understand why America doesn´t understand
this simple fact.
:ohno:

I didn´t say that it was the right way what Al Quaida did. Of course it is
NOT o.k. killing innocent people. But that is exactly what the U.S. army
does all the time. So the feeling of revenge is understandable. As long as
America fights in wars around the world it has to pay the price for it and the
price will be terroristic attacks. If America wants to live in peace it just
has to stop playing the worldpolice and stop fitting out Israel with
weapons. I really don´t understand why America doesn´t understand
this simple fact.
:ohno:

Now i can see how this^^doesn't have anything to do with this thread! Skybar is the preferred location to hash this out!

Wow. Seriously off topic. This is supposed to be about a building under construction.

Terrorism is NEVER justified Pfeuffer. The Mahatma Gandhi had issues with the British occupying and ruling his country, but he never resorted to terrorism. Your views are repugnant to me.

Now, lets get back to talking about architecture and engineering ...

Now i can see how this^^doesn't have anything to do with this thread! Skybar is the preferred location to hash this out!

You´re right but I had to correct my former statement cause some people
insinuate me that I would symphatize with the 9/11 terror attack. I only
refered to the skyline. I´ve been 3 times to N.Y.C. , first time before the
attack. ( actually 2 weeks before the attack )
My opinion is that the skyline looks better now without the twin towers
but it will look even better when all the 4 towers are built.
They just fit better. I have not any sentimental feelings with the old
twin towers because I am not a New Yorker. I just made a comment
on my impressions I got when I was watching the downtown skyline
from the Staten Island ferry that I used before and after the attack.

This is getting way too political guys, focus on the tower or have a PM discussion.
Do we see the top of the V shaped columns this week?

I didn´t say that it was the right way what Al Quaida did. Of course it is
NOT o.k. killing innocent people. But that is exactly what the U.S. army
does all the time. So the feeling of revenge is understandable. As long as
America fights in wars around the world it has to pay the price for it and the
price will be terroristic attacks. If America wants to live in peace it just
has to stop playing the worldpolice and stop fitting out Israel with
weapons. I really don´t understand why America doesn´t understand
this simple fact.
:ohno:

You're a moron.

You´re right but I had to correct my former statement cause some people
insinuate me that I would symphatize with the 9/11 terror attack. I only
refered to the skyline. I´ve been 3 times to N.Y.C. , first time before the
attack. ( actually 2 weeks before the attack )
My opinion is that the skyline looks better now without the twin towers
but it will look even better when all the 4 towers are built.
They just fit better. I have not any sentimental feelings with the old
twin towers because I am not a New Yorker. I just made a comment
on my impressions I got when I was watching the downtown skyline
from the Staten Island ferry that I used before and after the attack.

Because they are americans, still this is not the place to say that.

Because they are americans, still this is not the place to say that.

What the hell does that suppose to mean?

I'm from Belfast by the way.

What the hell does that suppose to mean?

I'm from Belfast by the way.

Doesn't matter i spend a lot of time here (in the US) i don't have anything against them just my opinion still, "this is not the place", all i say is that, i agree 100% pfeuffer, i think is valid opinion that's all.

Thats nice anyway has anybody been to the site lately? It was raining pretty hard today. But it wasn't windy. Can't wait to the base is finished. that when the real work begins.

I walked around the site for the first time late the other night and there are two things that struck me as something I'd be curious about if I never had the chance to see the site in person.

One is that the fencing around the site itself is covered with wrapping made out of heavy duty banner material. While many construction sites have this type of fencing around them, the WTC wrapping shows a number of images and site renderings that I haven't seen before. Very cool!

The other thing that really struck me was the size/thickness of those huge red girders. I knew they were big and everyone talks about how big they are and they look big in the pics, but when you see them in person they're really big! I mean REALLY BIG!! It almost seems like you could fit your whole body inside the vertical crevices of those huge girders and still have some room to wiggle or dance. Tango anyone? ENORMOUS!

Agreed. When you look at the webcams or pictures posted here, you really don't see the scale. In person...wow

Talkin' about the scale..Those workers are on the arm of the 1WTC crane...:)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2689/4304686477_dcb263cbd4_o.png

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Flickr, AugustenBurroughs (http://www.flickr.com/photos/augustenburroughs/)

I love NY but they should done much better then this one...still won't beat the empire state building..no height but in style...empire state building got alot of that and alot of fans...let's see out this one will come out...congrats :applause:

awesome pics. will 1wtc rise with 4 core cranes or just 2? the two red cranes on the ground will be too short soon right?

awesome pics. will 1wtc rise with 4 core cranes or just 2? the two red cranes on the ground will be too short soon right?

The red cranes will be gone soon, they just need them to do one more floor. The rest will be done with the 2 core tower cranes plus one more that will be installed soon on the south side.

They are putting up the steel on the north core now.

The one wtc cam isn´t working. NO!!!!!!

When are we likely to see rapid core rises? This is getting frustrating.

Most likely never the core want get that far ahead of the rest of the building. The pace will be the same the whole way to the top no big core jumps from what I know.

how is this thread getting so vile....don't talk about this and don't talk about that! Talk about what i want you to talk about? as far as i can see relating the old and the new makes perfct sense in this thread. Aren't the asthetics of the new and old, both, whether you like them or not, important to the architectural community? Furthermore and even more importantly,(while the validity of wether or not the old should be talked about in this thread is debateable) since when has skyscrapercity started censoring peoples opinions? I like this building myself but, if i didn't, i think i have the right to say so in a respectful manner, regardless who does or doesn't agree. A building may not be to my liking but that doesn't mean that the thread is not for me!!!!! These threads are for everyone!!!!

The replies right after your post exactly tells you why. Cuz people can't shut up about politics and other offtopic stuff. SSC doesn't tell you what to post, as long as it is RELATED to the topic. Your post doesn't make any sense because people who say they don't like the building won't be prosecuted for anything and their opinion is respected. Indeed, when people start talking about terrorism and other stuff that's not related to the construction of the new Freedom Tower ( or it's not a useful contribution ) like my good friend Pfeuffer here, such persons never learn the lesson or choose to ignore it. I have to suspend his account for 10 days now.

I'm going to post a warning in the next post. Thanks for clearing this up bud, really helpful.

Last warning. Just like i_am_hydrogen had to clean up a few threads a while ago, now it's my turn. Everyone who starts anything political or something that is not related to the construction of the Freedom Tower will get his/her account suspended for 10 days. We have a skybar for this kind of stuff.

Thanks for understanding.

From www.wtcprogress.com (http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/index.html):
http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/8945/20100126wtctranshubup.jpg

^^ wait a second is there a new tunnel under the street going to the wfc from wtc or do people still have to use the pedestrian bridge to get across the road?? That picture seems to say they snuck a new tunnel under the road which would be amazing, but wouldnt that mean they had to dig under the wfc and install escalators somewhere inside??

One is that the fencing around the site itself is covered with wrapping made out of heavy duty banner material. While many construction sites have this type of fencing around them, the WTC wrapping shows a number of images and site renderings that I haven't seen before. Very cool!

Very cool indeed. I worked very close to the WTC last summer and each time I passed by the site, I would think about how cool it would be to have one of those (preferably the one showing all the towers) on the wall in my room. :cool:

The progress they've made around the arches is impressive. I can't wait for the day when I can walk under them.

^^ wait a second is there a new tunnel under the street going to the wfc from wtc or do people still have to use the pedestrian bridge to get across the road?? That picture seems to say they snuck a new tunnel under the road which would be amazing, but wouldnt that mean they had to dig under the wfc and install escalators somewhere inside??Right now, people still have to use the pedestrian bridge, because the tunnel (officially "Hub Connector") between the WFC and the new WTC Transit Hub won't open until the new WTC Transit Hub itself opens. But yes, the connector will go underneath Route 9A and connect directly with the WFC. It's the long yellow bar along the middle of the left side of the top-left photo.

I'd imagine that they will still leave the pedestrian bridge up, though, because it'd be too big of a pain in the ass to go through the transit hub everytime someone wanted to cross 9A.

I'd imagine that they will still leave the pedestrian bridge up, though, because it'd be too big of a pain in the ass to go through the transit hub everytime someone wanted to cross 9A.

I wa under the impression that the pedestrian bridge would be demolished and replaced once 1 WTC was near completion. Am I wrong?

^^ wait a second is there a new tunnel under the street going to the wfc from wtc or do people still have to use the pedestrian bridge to get across the road?? That picture seems to say they snuck a new tunnel under the road which would be amazing, but wouldnt that mean they had to dig under the wfc and install escalators somewhere inside??

Theres a new tunnel and it will go under route 9A with the entrance being just infront of the WFC not inside it.

By GreenwichBoy, WNY, 1-27-10. Steel going up and concrete being poured!

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8318&d=1264602505

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8319&d=1264602520

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8320&d=1264602534

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8321&d=1264602547

Does anyone know what type of security the underground section is going to have because in 93' they bombed the underground part of the old wtc and I would absolutely hate for these people to bomb the new one underground in the mall or memorial. It wouldnt surprise me if once this is finished its even more of a target than before so their definately gonna need to have bomb sniffing dogs patrolling constantly and maybe even more than that which is sad. I really hope they have a good gameplan for the security, which they probally do because it is in fact the wtc.

Does anyone know what type of security the underground section is going to have because in 93' they bombed the underground part of the old wtc and I would absolutely hate for these people to bomb the new one underground in the mall or memorial. It wouldnt surprise me if once this is finished its even more of a target than before so their definately gonna need to have bomb sniffing dogs patrolling constantly and maybe even more than that which is sad. I really hope they have a good gameplan for the security, which they probally do because it is in fact the wtc.

The Vechicle Security Center "should" alleviate any threat of underground car bombs. The PA anticipates the VSC will inspect 2,000 delivery trucks and buses everyday. Of course that doesn't stop a car bomb from ramming into the lower podium. But thats the job of the blast wall. Also the podium glass is to be of a special design as well. Nothing is fool proof however.

Big news regarding the arbitration between Silverstein and The PA:

http://www.wtc.com/news/statement-by-silverstein-properties-on-second-wtc-arbitration-decision

Big news regarding the arbitration between Silverstein and The PA:

http://www.wtc.com/news/statement-by-silverstein-properties-on-second-wtc-arbitration-decision

sounds good, hopefully they will begin with the construction of 2WTC & 3WTC soon. they MUST work together, it's the only possibility for a fast progress.

here's the new york times article: NYT (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/28/nyregion/28wtc.html)

I'm glad to see both sides are fairly happy with the arbitration panels decisions. Now we have 45 days to see what kind of plan SP and the PA can put together and get 2 and 3WTC started.

No, Excuses! Due to the special circumstances here, it should be treated with special priorities.

The Vechicle Security Center "should" alleviate any threat of underground car bombs. The PA anticipates the VSC will inspect 2,000 delivery trucks and buses everyday. Of course that doesn't stop a car bomb from ramming into the lower podium. But thats the job of the blast wall. Also the podium glass is to be of a special design as well. Nothing is fool proof however.

I doubt anything short of a tank is capable of smashing through the plate bollards that well surround the building.

Old joke: Two scientist friends meet for lunch. One says to the other "I just invented a device that well make anything fool proof !" And the other one says "That's great, but I have some bad news, I just invented a better fool !"

You guys must be reading a different report than I am! I don't see where this report says anything. It says they should work together. They've been doing that and have gotten nowhere. What makes you think the results are going to be any different just because the arbitration panel told them to work things out?

The only way anything is ever going to happen is if a court orders it! :bash:

i havnet updated for a while,. is this right?
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4024/4310317578_7828d4f188_o.jpg

Your floor numbering is off. Other than that, cool.

13' 4" = 3.9624 m office floor to floor measurment.

186' 8" = 56.6928 m hight of the base.

205 ' square = 62.484 m the over all footprint of the tower. (200' is the column centers)

1776 ' = 541.324 m over all hight.

Oh, I just noticed, there are 69 office floors. (88-19=69)

thanks

Nice progress... between there is a video of the Calatrava path station...
i like it... very much...http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2009/05/calatrava_world_trade_center_h.html#ixzz0d5hzkoGv

You guys must be reading a different report than I am! I don't see where this report says anything. It says they should work together. They've been doing that and have gotten nowhere. What makes you think the results are going to be any different just because the arbitration panel told them to work things out?

The only way anything is ever going to happen is if a court orders it! :bash:

Isn't arbitration legally binding though?

Big news regarding the arbitration between Silverstein and The PA:

http://www.wtc.com/news/statement-by-silverstein-properties-on-second-wtc-arbitration-decision

WTF? This is terrible news. It basically allows Silverstein to continue delaying for as long as he wants with no consequences for doing so. The first of the four rulings just says that they "should" (their word) come up with a new schedule within 45 days. The second ruling was a denial for Silverstein to have to move forward with all three towers immediately. The third ruling denied the right of the Port Authority to take over the three towers if Silverstein falls behind their scheduled completion date, and the fourth ruling was just that other issues were deferred to a later date to be ruled on! WTF???? Nothing in the way of progress came out of this ruling whatsoever!

I have been following the rebuilding since April 2007. I have constantly tried to explain to those who say "This is taking too long" the reasons and to assure them that construction will begin soon. But even I have lost all patience with this insanity. This IS taking way too long. No more being in denial or apologizing for Silverstein. On the 8 year anniversary, I stood at bedrock in the footprints of T2 and T3 and tried to come up with the most positive outlook possible, saying that if construction began tomorrow, the towers would be at street level for the 9 year anniversary and around 50 stories tall for the 10th anniversary. This arbitration decision was our last hope for the towers to be above street level in time for the tenth anniversary. The way things look now, I'd be surprised if they were even at STREET LEVEL in time for the 10th anniversary. Unthinkable.

^^ Your post is a bit harsh towards Silverstein. It's not like he wants to delay building 2-4WTC. He isn't able to find financing to pay for the towers. And there are no major tenants seeking the kind of leases for him to acquire financing. I've read somewhere that said he has little under a billion left over from the insurance payout.

If the PA had finished clearing the eastern bathtub maybe Silverstein could've landed the construction loans to build his towers a couple years ago. It's not his fault the economy went to shit.

If he had $6+ billion laying around, he'd build the towers. He doesn't, and no one will lend him the money to rebuild.

I find it also ironic that the PA says it doesn't want to get in the business of paying for speculative office towers. Well, what the hell do you call 1WTC!? The original twin towers were spec office buildings too.

By ZippyTheChimp, WNY, today.

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/8843/wtc61c.jpg

This building is awesome. IT will definately be a nice addition to the skyline and it will be a new symbol of modernity for Ny.

When I started watching the site the only had one project. That was back in 2004. I was only thinking one at the time, I be happy with two. If they need to x out one tower, I'd be fine with that as well. They should have thought about building two of the same buildings, and shorting the rest. Sliverstein should rethink his plans two stumps or twin towers. But thats only a dream I'll 1wtc and 4wtc. But if they don't build the others, they might want to think about changing tower 4 name just a thought.

^^^^^^^^
Wow they got some progress...since the web cam worked.

great up date....

is it already visible from the ESB at this moment?

No way, not yet. There are hundreds of taller buildings between ESB and 1WTC! It is a LONG way between them. That will be a great day when you can see the two together.

I am travelling to NYC in April and staying at the Millenium Hilton. That hotel has absolutely the BEST view of the construction site.

Yesterday...

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4021/4310453428_11d284564e_b.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4009/4310457496_63e51f2747_b.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4061/4310456662_37e4c0ce2a_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2748/4310455668_a54128521e_b.jpg
Flickr, nyer82 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/nyer82/)

And some new videos..:)

http://www.rebuildgroundzero.com/en/view-video/205/work-in-progress-1-wtc.html

ding ding ding ding............

The rebuilding schedule at the World Trade Center site is once again up in the air.

Arbitrators have given the Port Authority, which owns the land, and developer Larry Silverstein 45 days to renegotiate a construction timetable.

The decision was handed down after Silverstein sought damages and rent abatement for infrastructure delays.

The arbitration panel denied those requests, but relaxed a provision which would have stripped Silverstein Properties of development rights to Towers 2, 3 and 4 if they are not completed on time.

In statements, both sides had a positive reaction to the panel's order to head back to the negotiation table.

http://www.ny1.com/1-all-boroughs-news-content/top_stories/112734/arbitrators-call-for-new-wtc-timetable



WTC developer Larry Silverstein denied $3.5B Port Authority payoff for Ground Zero delays

Developer Larry Silverstein was slapped down Wednesday in his bid to snag $3.5 billion in penalties from the Port Authority because of building delays at Ground Zero.

An impartial panel of construction experts nixed Silverstein's demand to pocket $788 million in rent relief and shut the door on his bid for $2.7 billion in future damages.

Silverstein had argued the PA's failure to build the Transportation Hub, Vehicular Security Center and other key structures at the World Trade Center site crippled his ability to finance and market three towers along Church St.

Claiming he was entitled to 10 years of free rent - plus a fat payday for damages - Silverstein took the case to arbitration in August, blaming the PA for blowing its obligations under a 2006 Master Development Agreement.

The three-member panel shot him down.

"We are not persuaded by [his] claim that the PA acted in bad faith and thereby breached the agreement," the ruling said.

The panel said Silverstein failed to show the PA's "action or inaction" at Ground Zero delayed construction of his WTC towers.

Gov. Paterson quickly applauded the ruling, calling it "the most responsible approach to rebuilding at the WTC site - to move the project forward in a way that protects the public's resources."

Moving to end the bitter and costly battle over the sacred site, the panel gave the agency and the builder 45 days to develop a new set of schedules to rebuild Ground Zero - or else.

If the feuding parties fail to come to terms, the panel said it would dictate how the 16 acres are rebuilt.

New timetables and funding schemes could also mean new delays at the troubled site and an uncertain fate for some key buildings.

"I'm ready to work with the PA 2-4/7 to hammer out a deal assuring that the World Trade Center is fully rebuilt as quickly as possible," Silverstein said.

"One thing is clear from the ruling," Mayor Bloomberg said in a statement. "There is a deal to be made."

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2010/01/28/2010-01-28_wtc_developer_denied_35b_pa_payoff.html

welcome back cul

Looks like the Earthcam has been stuck for 3-4 days now. You can see the new vertical steel on the south side from the RGZ cam.