I believe the question is can the crawler cranes now on site keep erecting steel. The answer is not for much longer, even the 18000 can only reach about 240 feet. Tower cranes well take over soon.

Understood. Another question just two towers cranes you with all the construction of this tower?

The bottom portion of the build is almost constructed! We should see this beauty rise now and some faster movement definitely when the snow stops.

Understood. Another question just two towers cranes you with all the construction of this tower?

From the information I have 2 more tower cranes well be added.

Thanks for the info

Is this the only supertall currantly underconstruction in the USA?

^^^ Yep pretty much

I believe the question is can the crawler cranes now on site keep erecting steel. The answer is not for much longer, even the 18000 can only reach about 240 feet. Tower cranes well take over soon.

18000 crane will be moved to other side to assist building Transportation hub.

I wonder where they going to put a news crawler?

Is this the only supertall currantly underconstruction in the USA?

no the second one is 157 W. 57th St (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=776476&page=8)! construcion is going slow but will speed up. also, there have been no renderings released so far.

Not true. The John Hancock tower in Boston was built in the late 60s/early 70s and still looks like it was built just years ago.

You are 100% correct its amazing they had to invent a way to have a glass curtain wall because that was the first one and thats why some windows popped out. Towers are just now starting to look like the hancock has for 40 years. Boston gets a lot of shit for its buildings too which is uncalled for.

New pictures by GreenwichBoy, WNY, 2-14-10. New crawler crane on Vesey Street. Anyones guess as to its job. One possibility overlooked is that it might be there to extend the Vesey St bridge down closer to 7WTC.

http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8426&d=1266182929

http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8427&d=1266182944

http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8428&d=1266182957

Must we endure the incredibly ignorant and childish comments about the length of time it's taking to build this structure ... week after week, month after month?!

Listen, people! It takes time to do this job, this has unique logistical problems and challenges that skyscrapers built elsewhere do not have. There are issues dealing with a massive and complicated underground transportation hub. This tight space has to be built around a memorial that is considered sacred ground where thousands lost their lives. There are political, insurance, and governmental challenges that must be dealt with. There are worker's unions, environmental regulations, and building codes that are more demanding than - forgive me for stating the truth - the more cheaply constructed skyscrapers in other countries.

Stop your whining and grow up. There must be a group of impatient 9 year olds here.

You're a fool if you think that little rant will help anything. People come to this site, view the first page of this thread, register to post and then leave. The best thing to do is to ignore them.

nice up date....

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff216/Desparye/gzrobotic1.jpg?t=1266243748
Is that another corner node I see installed on the northwest side? o_o

Is that another corner node I see installed on the northwest side? o_o

Yes...It was installed the same day when the first one was..

Yes...It was installed the same day when the first one was..

Oh, I didn't even notice the other one. :l Thank you.

Oh, I didn't even notice the other one. :l Thank you.

me neither. We should have the other two in place this week for sure, I would think!

wow the new World Trade Center its so sexy jaja its beautiful and wow it will be the biggest in New York and USA true??

well chiko elektriko from Tijuana City in Baja California Mexico

happy Valentine´s Day

Tower 7 isn't a supertall and silverstein isn't building tower 1. Nobody cares how slow it started the speed has pick up and its no longer slow so everybody stop ya bitching. Snow storm coming in a few hours let hope it passes over.

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Enough bickering. Let's move on.

You are right...think I'll just check in on this thread from time to time....got no patience for that type of post and no resistance to calling them out. You guys who take the time to post pics please keep them coming and thank you very much for posting them. I'll say thanks once right now and maybe check in when the tower is finished. And for the record the progress is great!!

One can really see that the corner nodes are made from solid steel in these pics from Lofter1 over at WNY.

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/WTC/1%20WTC/100215_1WTC_c5.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/WTC/1%20WTC/100215_1WTC_b3.jpg

Nice picture yaar can you post more pictures?

Where's the 4Q 2009 Quarterly Report? It should have been released last week.

Also waiting for it, they used to publish it 5-6 weeks after the quarter ended.. and even this was quite late.
Looking forward to new and detailed information about the coming progress and more background knowledge about what they already have achieved.

1Q 2010 is already half over and no report. What a joke.

They finally released the first model of a design for the Performing Arts Center next to 1WTC, and all I can say is... wtf?

http://www.artinfo.com/media/image/177441/2009_11_gehrywtc.jpg

That is the ugliest building I have ever seen. The trees going up the sides and on top of it definitely have to go... this isn't a mountain, it's a building. It's also way taller than it needs to be. The main performance floor has to be the top floor since you can't have any columns throughout the audience, and even though we should expect a very tall ceiling here, I would say no more than 50-70 feet. Even if you need the entire first floor devoted to space for dressing rooms, recitals, storage, management offices, or whatever, just add another 15 feet to the overall height. Basically for it to function properly, it only needs to be about half the height of 1WTC's base. If you look at this design, parts of it are twice the height of the base. About 400 feet tall. It would block the view of WTC7 by more than half, basically cutting it off from the rest of the site.

And yes, I know this is a very early design and even 1WTC and the museum pavillion went through major redesigns over the years. I'm just sayin'...

^^ I don't think it is ugly. It is very different and unique. I am sure it will be redesigned since it is first model of a design.

^^ That's how all of Frank Gehry's plans start out. He starts with boxes and geometric shapes to determine the interior spaces. Once that is finished he works on the exterior. We're only seeing the general shape of the building. The finished product will look FAR different. Take a look at his portfolio of projects. This guy will design something amazing.

The sad thing is we probably won't see it finished for another 10 years.

I dont think is ugly either, i like it.

After looking at some of Gehry's past buildings, I do admit that the guy is a great architect. I especially like his Walt Disney Concert Hall in Los Angeles. Hopefully the completed Performing Arts Center will look more like this...

http://www.you-are-here.com/theatre/walt_disney.jpg

I don't think it's ugly either. and I heard they're trying to build it across the street since there's no tower 5 anymore. And I like the Guggenheim much better then the pic above

After looking at some of Gehry's past buildings, I do admit that the guy is a great architect. I especially like his Walt Disney Concert Hall in Los Angeles. Hopefully the completed Performing Arts Center will look more like this...

Just bouncing back on your message. Frank Gehry's a great architect indeed, here's another original building(IMO) by him currently U/C in Paris:
http://news.gov.hk/tc/citylife/090521/html/090521p022jpg.jpghttp://www.egodesign.ca/_files/articles/41d_rendering.jpg "Fondation Louis Vuitton pour la Création" aka "The Cloud"(height: 40m, length :150m)
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Back on topic. WTC1's progress is amazing despite the weather conditions(so much snow...:uh:), I'm particularly impressed by those massive red beams being installed.Is the first construction phase nearly completed or not?

After looking at some of Gehry's past buildings, I do admit that the guy is a great architect. I especially like his Walt Disney Concert Hall in Los Angeles. Hopefully the completed Performing Arts Center will look more like this...

http://www.you-are-here.com/theatre/walt_disney.jpg

Impresionante:banana:

I'm not really a Gehry fan. I like the Pritzker Pavillion in Chicago and Beekman Tower in New York, but the rest isn't all that appealing. It kind of looks interesting, but the lack of functionality behind it doesn't endear me much. Most of his buildings also seem to contrast in a bad way to the surroundings. We'll see, perhaps he'll come through for us.

Most of Gehry's works are abortions. Beekman is the only good thing he's ever done.

But I thought this thread was about 1WTC...?

Just a little thing I wanted to throw out here:

My late great uncle was friends with frank gehry for many years. In fact, the last 20 years or so of his life were possible because of gehry. You see, my uncle had a heart problem. He told gehry about it and gehrys advice was for my unlce to get a heart transplant. My uncle went and got it, and for 20 long years he was living, because of that heart:) he died though last year at an age close to 80 I believe.

Just a little thing I wanted to throw out here:

My late great uncle was friends with frank gehry for many years. In fact, the last 20 years or so of his life were possible because of gehry. You see, my uncle had a heart problem. He told gehry about it and gehrys advice was for my unlce to get a heart transplant. My uncle went and got it, and for 20 long years he was living, because of that heart:) he died though last year at an age close to 80 I believe.

What does that story have to do with 1WTC?

They have installed one of the connecting nodes in the northeast corner of the building. Hopefully they'll put the southeast one up so they can start on the main floors soon.

Thanks mindgoessnap, on topic info!

Does anyone know if the office floors steel will be red during construction like the base?

Probably just the columns and spandrel beams, the rest well get spray on fireproofing so they well be unpainted.

By the way the spray on fireproofing to be used is almost like shotcrete.

February 18th, 2010

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By Morrongiello, 2-18-10.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2690/4367570743_1a7c6957a3_b.jpg

http://www.flickr.com/photos/morrongiello/

February 18th, 2010

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t263/DKNY617/IMG_0970.jpg

Good lord, 7WTC looks unbelievable in this shot.

Good lord, 7WTC looks unbelievable in this shot.

I know. Just imagine how it'll look when 1WTC is up and you have two of those. Or for that matter, when the entire site is done.

What's also cool is how bright the light must be to create those shadows from the fire hydrant. It's like the sun is in the north.

Bonus if you like 7WTC so much, I did take a photo of it. ;)

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t263/DKNY617/IMG_0972.jpg?t=1266549807

Great pics NYCD !

Just think for a moment, Tower One well be almost twice as high as Tower Seven when finished, not counting the Spire.

Tower Seven well look like Tower One's little sister, in about 3 years. There well be no mistaking the family resemblance.

I love the 7WTC I think it will be very much alive in the area when the entire project is completed

too slow work.....

ow..........my...........god...........Get a job and stop complaining!

last "corner" beam is here :)

i now just find it funny and annoyed when people say it slow now. Its like wth have you been last year, are you really that lazy to not even turn on your TV and catch up with your current events. We all know the media(TV) is slow with updates but it still show you how much has got done.

You know, I'd hate to have to be the one that has to climb all of those stairs on one of those days that the elevator isn't working. Climbing all the way up to the 5th floor and out of breath just to get a $5 Footlong.:lol:

^^
Yeah, but you will burn off alot of the calories from it!:lol:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100219/ap_on_bi_ge/us_attacks_redevelopment

NYC mayor urges push to rebuild ground zero

NEW YORK – New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg is frustrated over the slow pace of the rebuilding effort at the World Trade Center site, saying he doesn't want to see "that hole in the ground" at ground zero a decade from now.

"It's time to stop this craziness of everything and we've just got to move forward here," he said on his weekly radio show Friday.

He urged the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which controls the property, to push ahead with the reconstruction effort now, while material and labor costs are low.

"If we don't, you're going to see me out there beating the drums every day," Bloomberg said. "I'm not going to leave this world with that hole in the ground 10 years from now."

Much work has already taken place at ground zero. Two skyscrapers, a memorial and a transit hub are already under construction. But the building of other planned towers has been stalled because of financing battles between the Port Authority and site developer Larry Silverstein.

Bloomberg laid some of the blame for the delays at the feet of the Port Authority, and urged them to either build now, "or just get out of the way."

"They cannot leave a hole in the ground down where this tragedy took place and slow development for all of southern Manhattan," he said.

"We agree with the mayor that the site should move forward ... but a public bailout is not the answer," Port spokesman Stephen Sigmund said in a statement. He said the agency would continue to work for "a rational plan."

The authority wants more private sector cash for the project than Silverstein has offered and prefers to delay construction on two of the towers until the real estate market improves.

Silverstein recently proposed ending the logjam by putting more of his own money into the project and making it more economically viable by scrapping one of its four planned skyscrapers.

Bonus if you like 7WTC so much, I did take a photo of it. ;)

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t263/DKNY617/IMG_0972.jpg?t=1266549807

Is purty!

Nice

Southeast connecting node in place; all nodes now installed. The last floor beams are being installed in the corner now also. Hopefully they will finish putting the beams in today and they can finish the floor steel next week.

New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg is frustrated over the slow pace of the rebuilding effort at the World Trade Center site, saying he doesn't want to see "that hole in the ground" at ground zero a decade from now.
OMG someone said construction is going slow...

Go get him boys, tell him he is a noob and it's going fast!

He was referring to towers 2 and 3, which are literally holes in the ground.

Is it finally over?! THE BASE IS DONE!!!:cheers1:

Now let's watch this sucker shoot for the sky!

http://curbed.com/archives/2010/02/19/new_path_to_liberty_takes_shape_at_the_wtc.php?o=1
This was just posted on Curbed.

Finally, we have a date for when 60 Minutes will air their episode on the rebuilding at Ground Zero! This Sunday at 6pm, CBS. My friend at the site told me last November that they had just done some filming there. I never thought it would be three months before they finally aired it.

(Then again it takes the Port Authority a month and a half just to put together a damn progress report... still waiting on that.)

Bloomy right the hole thing is slow as hell. There two towers underconstruction and one tower already finish. But let's face it its been 9 years. But I'm happy with this tower progress. The base is finish yay time pick the pace up to the next level.

By GreenwichBoy, WNY, 2-20-10.

http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8449&d=1266671971

http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8450&d=1266672014

http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8451&d=1266672040

by ZippyTheChimp, WNY.

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/1618/wtc64c.jpg

Developer Larry Silverstein Proposes New Plan for Ground Zero
by Matthew Schuerman
NEW YORK, NY February 19, 2010 —Negotiations are resuming over when and what to build at Ground Zero.

A source familiar with the negotiations says developer Larry Silverstein wants to focus all of his money on the two smallest towers proposed for the site, and push off indefinitely the construction of the third and tallest tower. But in return, he wants the Port Authority to guarantee the loans he'll take out.

In his weekly radio interview on WOR, Bloomberg says it's a "rational plan" and the Port Authority should come back with a counteroffer.

"They cannot leave a hole in the ground down where this development took place and slow down development in all of Manhattan," the mayor says.

Port Authority spokesman Steve Sigmund says Silverstein's latest offer still amounts to a public bailout but the Port Authority intends to make a counter-offer. He says the only part of the site that's not moving forward are the developer's office towers.

An arbitration panel threw out much of the 2006 agreement that forced Silverstein to finish his three office towers by 2014. The decision set a March 12th deadline to renegotiate the arrangement under which Silverstein is leasing the development rights from the Port Authority. Since Silverstein is having a hard time financing them, he wants the Port Authority to guarantee loans for the two smaller ones and build the third whenever there's enough demand for office space.

The Port Authority is building One World Trade Center, which was formerly known as the Freedom Tower, as well as a new transit hub. It's also managing construction for the September 11 memorial.
http://www.wnyc.org/news/articles/150503

BORING!

How small will both towers be? I hope only few floors shorter as long as they're still supertalls.

How small will both towers be? I hope only few floors shorter as long as they're still supertalls.

Nothing is being changed at this point. The only difference between today and a few weeks ago is that Tower 3 is now going to be built before Tower 2.

Which sucks for me since Tower 2 is my favorite.

How small will both towers be? I hope only few floors shorter as long as they're still supertalls.

Which towers? Towers 3 and 4?

Which towers? Towers 3 and 4?

I wish you ladies would read the articles posted and stop freaking out.

I wish you ladies would read the articles posted and stop freaking out.

I posted the article, I know what it says. I was wondering towers he was talking about.

Nothing is being changed at this point. The only difference between today and a few weeks ago is that Tower 3 is now going to be built before Tower 2.

Which sucks for me since Tower 2 is my favorite.

I felt the same way since Tower 2 is definitely better than Tower 3, but if you think for a minute about the practicality of it instead of which tower looks better, it does make much more sense for them to build Tower 3 first. Tower 2 is isolated to one corner of the site with roads completely encircling it, whereas Tower 3 is located directly between (almost squashed between) two major parts of the site which are on schedule for completion, Tower 4 and the transportation hub.

Imagine if they built T2, the hub, and T4 first. 5 years from now you would have tens of thousands of people moving through the area and working in T4, except right in the middle you would have a huge, mega construction site for T3 as it finally starts construction. For people working in T4, this would be an unbearable disturbance as a new tower goes up just 50 feet away from your office floor. There would be almost no staging area whatsoever for all the cranes and trucks needed to build T3. There would also be no underground linkage for the pedestrians and trucks heading to loading docks for 1WTC. If they build T3 now and put T2 off, then once they finally do start building T2, it will be less of a disturbance to any nearby office buildings, they will have a much larger staging area for construction, and have better underground linkage.

^^ I agree with everything you said. But I do like the symmetry of 1, 2, and 4WTC each occupying a corner of the WTC site. 3WTC is kinda squished in there. I just hope the PA will help out with at least two of Silverstein's tower instead of just 4WTC.

Looks like they have finished all the main steel for the south pool! The next level of steel is going up at tower 4! The base is finished for tower 1! Crane jumps soon! Other cranes will be leaving us! Doesnt sound slow to me!

Bloomberg just shifted $5 billion dollars from his buddies Equity firm... why not bank roll these towers partially himself? I don't think NYC citizenry would begrudge him at this point, as long as the job gets done. (his total fortune is $16 billion, richest man in the city)

Wow! That's! Six! Exclamation! Marks! In! Just! Two! Lines! Of! Text! But! Yeah! I! Can! Still! Do! Better!
edit: Ferrari came in between, this is about westmc9th's post

Bloomberg just shifted $5 billion dollars from his buddies Equity firm... why not bank roll these towers partially himself? I don't think NYC citizenry would begrudge him at this point, as long as the job gets done. (his total fortune is $16 billion, richest man in the city)

If I am not mistaken Bloomberg bought quite a few Liberty Bonds so he is partly bankrolling the towers. :)

Wow! That's! Six! Exclamation! Marks! In! Just! Two! Lines! Of! Text! But! Yeah! I! Can! Still! Do! Better!
edit: Ferrari came in between, this is about westmc9th's post

:lol::lol::lol:more like annoying


anyway chu chu train appeared...

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/2724/69413764.jpg

Looks like they have finished all the main steel for the south pool! The next level of steel is going up at tower 4! The base is finished for tower 1! Crane jumps soon! Other cranes will be leaving us! Doesnt sound slow to me!

I not ashamed to say that seeing all the steel in place in the south pool just made my weekend! :lol: Finally! :banana:

As wonderful as it is to see 1WTC more or less on schedule, realize that the 18000 crane was supposed to be in the east bathtub by the end of 2009. The PATH hub is probably 1-2 years behind schedule. The Deutsch Bank building just had a work stoppage due to electrical fire issues this week. A WNY forumer whose involved in the construction reported work on the VSC halted due to payroll problems.

In the back of my mind I know the odds of the PA and Silverstein meeting the 2008 timeline is not gonna happen.

:lol::lol::lol:more like annoying


anyway chu chu train appeared...

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/2724/69413764.jpg

That reminds me, RRC Inc. won a contract to build 10 work train flat cars to be used on the PATH for construction.

I felt the same way since Tower 2 is definitely better than Tower 3, but if you think for a minute about the practicality of it instead of which tower looks better, it does make much more sense for them to build Tower 3 first. Tower 2 is isolated to one corner of the site with roads completely encircling it, whereas Tower 3 is located directly between (almost squashed between) two major parts of the site which are on schedule for completion, Tower 4 and the transportation hub.

Imagine if they built T2, the hub, and T4 first. 5 years from now you would have tens of thousands of people moving through the area and working in T4, except right in the middle you would have a huge, mega construction site for T3 as it finally starts construction. For people working in T4, this would be an unbearable disturbance as a new tower goes up just 50 feet away from your office floor. There would be almost no staging area whatsoever for all the cranes and trucks needed to build T3. There would also be no underground linkage for the pedestrians and trucks heading to loading docks for 1WTC. If they build T3 now and put T2 off, then once they finally do start building T2, it will be less of a disturbance to any nearby office buildings, they will have a much larger staging area for construction, and have better underground linkage.

All good points. As long as the current design for T2 gets built in the next decade I can't complain.

how much will all the buildings on site amount to eventually?

how much will all the buildings on site amount to eventually?

:wtf:

^^ I guess he is asking for timings :S

how much will all the buildings on site amount to eventually?

A little over 14 million square feet of office space. About 800 thousand square feet more than what was destroyed on 9/11/2001.

maybe he's asking about the cost.

A little over 14 million square feet of office space. About 800 thousand square feet more than what was destroyed on 9/11/2001.

You sure? I tried adding up the square footage for all 6 office towers but I kept getting conflicting numbers for square footage in each tower (different websites, even reliable ones like wtc.com and wtcprogress.com, give different numbers). Still, even going with the highest numbers for each tower I still come up with there being a few hundred thousand square feet less than was present before 9/11.

The only circumstance where something other than the existing plan would be ok were if 2 and 3 weren't built but instead of them a Freedom Tower 2 is instead!

Totally agree there. 2 Freedom towers is a great idea. Could be a modern replacement to the twin towers.

I remember someone added a second freedom tower to one of the renders, and it actually looked pretty good, i was surprised how good it looked actually, a very worthy replacement still, what we are getting now, is also more than good enough.

It is just sad that the freedom tower won't be looked as a symbol of the US economical power or power over-all"""", but as a tribute to what happened and americans willing to overcome the tragedy and rebuild, so what i'm trying to say with all this is that the US it's still the most powerfull country arround and a symbol to represent that, is needed, the twin towers were that and it is the reason they were attacked.

In my opinion a second Tower One would be a cruel reminder of what was.

Remember the past, live in the present and build the future.

^^^ yeah I don't feel that way. There's twin towers all over the city. Not to long ago there was plans for twin towers in mid town. I'll be happy because I really like this building. And the base shouldn't take as long with no train under it.

I just watched a Documentary on this and they said that it will be at least 10-20 years before the whole thing is finished. And the memorial that is might open next year will quickly close, due to "so called" Construction, it seems to be a tug of war between the Port Authority who owns the site & the state of New Jersey / New York City who fund the PA jointly. It disgusts me as a person who witnessed the attacks that this how slow it takes to rebuilding considering in the same time frame , Jersey City built an entire Skyscraper / Highrise Skyline. And this is one of the reasons the NJ Gold Coast is slowy taking NYC business and profiting form it. Although i'm for that , its sad in a way.

Having watched the 60 minutes piece on the WTC I have concluded that they are biased and slanted, 21st century yellow journalism.

I saw 2 or 3 seconds of Tower One, and a conscious effort to ignore the progress of Towers One and Four and the Memorial.

They did make several valid points about politics and bureaucracy and totally ignored all the progress.

Ask two questions, who owns CBS and what is there agenda ?

The answer is an entrainment company, and profit. They never let little things like facts get in the way of sales.

They build office tower all over New York. Company that move to NJ do so because they can no longer afford to stay NYC. But alot of people don't want to work in NJ because let face it it isn't New York. I know alot of people who quit there jobs because they move to Jersey.

They build office tower all over New York. Company that move to NJ do so because they can no longer afford to stay NYC. But alot of people don't want to work in NJ because let face it it isn't New York. I know alot of people who quit there jobs because they move to Jersey.

Thats not true , the taxes are less here and Jersey City and Newark are becoming New York city absorbers also Bloomberg has strong ties with the Mayors of both cities. Jersey City is = to Brooklyn and alot ppl would agree why me on that. Newark is like some parts of the Bronx , its trying and in some neighborhoods is coming back still needs alot of work. You can't ignore those facts.

I thought this was pretty cool. Google Earth now has a 3D model of 1WTC U/C.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b125/Uaarkson/LM2.png
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b125/Uaarkson/LM.png

Having watched the 60 minutes piece on the WTC I have concluded that they are biased and slanted, 21st century yellow journalism.

I saw 2 or 3 seconds of Tower One, and a conscious effort to ignore the progress of Towers One and Four and the Memorial.Absolutely. The package was also very slanted toward Silverstein's point of view. No mention that the projects that aren't moving forward are Silverstein's responsibility and that the projects that are moving forward are the Port Authority's responsibility. Only one sentence explaining why towers 2 through 4 aren't moving forward.

Mainly, though, this came across as a piece that started from a premise -- that nothing had been accomplished since 9/11 -- and pieced together the facts to satisfy it. The progress doesn't look all that impressive for eight and a half years worth of work, but if you compare where the site was a year ago to where it is now the progress is very impressive. Most of the problems described in the 60 Minutes package have since been solved.

There are only two real problems facing the site right now: The commercial real estate market doesn't exist to justify financing Silverstein's towers, and the LMDC has made a spectacular mess of the Deutsch Bank building deconstruction. Until the Deutsch Bank is demolished, work can't really progress on the Vehicle Security Center. The Vehicle Security Center is in turn needed for many of the other components of the site. Almost all of the Port Authority's delays are driven by LMDC's failure to remove the Deutsch Bank building.

wow, the 3D model is awesome:shocked:
hopefully they will update it during the construction process!

I thought this was pretty cool. Google Earth now has a 3D model of 1WTC U/C.

That looks so cool. Glad to see this moving fast now. New York looks really cool on Google Earth... London, not so much...lol

This tower is it stronger than WTC towers were before ?

This tower is it stronger than WTC towers were before ?

yes, it can sustain a lot of damage.

I remember someone added a second freedom tower to one of the renders, and it actually looked pretty good, i was surprised how good it looked actually, a very worthy replacement still, what we are getting now, is also more than good enough.


This render?

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j286/h5forem/WTC-II.jpg

Or this (with the approved design of the other towers):
http://www.twintowersalliance.com/twin_freedom_towers600.jpg

Here is the link to the 60 Minutes piece:

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6228927n#comments

I am a follower of the forumns but have never posted. However after watching the 60 minutes report and looking at the proposed twin freedom tower pictures I had an idea I wanted to run by you guys that are more experienced and knowledgable on the situation.

Considering the lacklaster progress and apparent TBD status of tower 2,3,4, why not build a second freedom tower and call it a day? The design is approved and already available plus you would be providing another large amount of office/retail space to accomodate downtown. Even if current demand is an issue I highly doubt in the long term you would have trouble filling occupancy in either tower.

Plus after seeing the Empire State building being built in a year during the great depression, I do not see how stimulus funds could not be directed for what could be a "national pride" type project to stimulate the northeast with construction and manufacturing jobs.

Then in the end we have two towers modernizing and replacing the previous ones, along with providing a memorial, and rejuvenating downtown. I am sure this completely naive and ignorant of facts but it seemed like a solution to me.

In the 60 Minutes video, they say at its best ground zero would look like this:
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/6264/groundzero.jpg
With most of the buildings in doubt, I understand why they show it like this.
What I find the most disturbing is that Chris Ward says that the memorial couldn't be called completed by the tenth anniversary!

;52328225']In the 60 Minutes video, they say at its best ground zero would look like this:
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/6264/groundzero.jpg
With most of the buildings in doubt, I understand why they show it like this.
Except it makes no sense. 4WTC looks like that but 1WTC looks nothing like the generic building they've slotted in there. The New Yorker architecture critic was using models from one of the previous iterations of the site to make his rather smug point.What I find the most disturbing is that Chris Ward says that the memorial couldn't be called completed by the tenth anniversary!That's how "60 Minutes" chose to frame it, but that's not what Chris Ward said at all: The memorial will be open on the tenth anniversary. But because the rest of the site will still be under construction, access will understandably be more limited than it would be once all of Ground Zero is completed.

Here is the link to the 60 Minutes piece:

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6228927n#comments

Thanks for sharing the link! ;)

Thats not true , the taxes are less here and Jersey City and Newark are becoming New York city absorbers also Bloomberg has strong ties with the Mayors of both cities. Jersey City is = to Brooklyn and alot ppl would agree why me on that. Newark is like some parts of the Bronx , its trying and in some neighborhoods is coming back still needs alot of work. You can't ignore those facts.

what does Bloomberg having ties to both cities, have to do with New Yorkers not wanting to work in Jersey. Neighorhoods coming back to jersey is cool but it isn't Manhattan or Brooklyn and if those company could afford stay in NYC they would and thats a fact.

That's how "60 Minutes" chose to frame it, but that's not what Chris Ward said at all: The memorial will be open on the tenth anniversary. But because the rest of the site will still be under construction, access will understandably be more limited than it would be once all of Ground Zero is completed.

Will that be good enough? I think the majority will not be satisfied with that.
In the 60 minutes they say that the WTC site is a national disgrace, I think most people agree with that, don't you?

what does Bloomberg having ties to both cities, have to do with New Yorkers not wanting to work in Jersey. Neighorhoods coming back to jersey is cool but it isn't Manhattan or Brooklyn and if those company could afford stay in NYC they would and thats a fact.

We have alot of Tax incentives , and deals to keep them aswell as a Growing Urban Renewal movement. I know alot of New Yorkers who work here some even form LI , and i know some New Jerseyites who work on LI. Jersey City is really building up fast, faster then NYC in some cases. NYC has little land left that can be built on , New Jersey has tons left and 1000s of Abandoned plots for half the price.

Getting back on topic , I truly don't see any work on the WTC intill 2015 , too much politics are involved in this project and raw emotions. But i do see a few things going up , as in Memorials , around NYC and Jersey City there are plans for small-to Large scale memories and Jersey City will build something similar to the Twin-Towers (more modern) starting later this year.

~Corey

;52336915']Will that be good enough? I think the majority will not be satisfied with that.What magic wand do you suggest be waved to complete the rest of the site in 19 months? The Port Authority can't help that Larry Silverstein has failed to build, just as Larry Silverstein can't help that the commercial real estate market has collapsed and left him unable to obtain financing.In the 60 minutes they say that the WTC site is a national disgrace, I think most people agree with that, don't you?I would say that there were lost years between the clean-up of the site and the Port Authority's takeover of the public portion of rebuilding. I would also say that this site was the grave site of 2,749 people, with remains still being found years after the attacks. I would note that there is active rail service running through the site 24/7 which greatly hampered below ground construction. And finally, I would note that even with none of other issues associated with 9/11, you'd still be dealing with the most complex construction site in the entire world.

Most of the people calling it a disgrace, the "60 Minutes" crew included, have no interest or understanding of construction on this scale. They got it in their heads that the site should be complete by the tenth anniversary of the attacks, and can't understand why the reality has failed to live up to their arbitrary and ungrounded deadlines. The biggest mistake was allowing the politicians to set lofty initial goals that were never feasible in the first place. Since the task has gotten down to the two parties with a real stake in things -- the landowner and the lease holder -- things have gone much smoother and much faster.

wow, the 3D model is awesome:shocked:
hopefully they will update it during the construction process!

that's my model, but right now GE shows a model which has been stolen by some fu***ing asshole :/ As I wrote in description of model, I'll make updates, when the tower will rise. Here's link to the latest update: http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=106f082d16fc9f54631a5b7d7e03136

wow you are good..greatjob..

Jersey City will build something similar to the Twin-Towers (more modern) starting later this year.

~Corey

Hahahaahaha. Oh, you're one of those people.

Where did you get information about Twin Towers in Jersey City ?

Jersey City will build something similar to the Twin-Towers (more modern) starting later this year.

Uh, no. That statement is absolutely false.

With out quoting you nexis where do you see Jersey out building NYC. Show me a list of that because I would like to see. And there's work going on at the WTC right now. And I too want to see where jersey building there own twin towers. And 60 minutes is filmed in NYC they can see tower 1 much taller then that.

^^ Speaking of new jersey and the twin towers a little bit of history behind the two.....The port authority is in charge of new york and new jersey. New jersey didnt want the port authority to spend the 350 million on the twin towers in new york and not have any of that money benefit new jersey since it was both of their money. Therefore the site of the twins was moved to the new jersey side of lower manhattan and that allowed them to reconstruct the hudson and manhattan subway system that was on the future wtc site but was not working. It cost 70 million to rebuild the subway so both sides were getting some of the money and at the same time now new jersey had a tunnel to the new most important part of manhattan. That is what made new jersey agree to let the port authority build the twins towers and why they were in that location.

The Project is on hold for now but might start up again by later this year. ironically it will be built on top or next to the Journal SQ PATH Station.
http://blog.nj.com/hudsoncountynow_impact/2009/03/medium_SQUARE1.jpg

& This is the Full planned conversion of the PATH corridor and Journal SQ , alot of us beleave this and the planned developments in Newark will move forward.

http://blog.nj.com/hudsoncountynow_impact/2009/02/large_Journal-Square-Redevelopment-1.jpg

~Corey

How is that at all similar to the Twin Towers?

How is that at all similar to the Twin Towers?

2 Towers rising ...LOL on PA property. Seriously, it will reflect in a way the twin towers , thats what what alot locals who support this project say.

[QUOTE=boss-ton;52348355]^^ Speaking of new jersey and the twin towers a little bit of history behind the two.....The port authority is in charge of new york and new jersey. New jersey didnt want the port authority to spend the 350 million on the twin towers in new york and not have any of that money benefit new jersey since it was both of their money. Therefore the site of the twins was moved to the new jersey side of lower manhattan and that allowed them to reconstruct the hudson and manhattan subway system that was on the future wtc site but was not working. It cost 70 million to rebuild the subway so both sides were getting some of the money and at the same time now new jersey had a tunnel to the new most important part of manhattan. That is what made new jersey agree to let the port authority build the twins towers and why they were in that location.

Firstly there is no Jersey side of Manhattan. And the WTC was alway going to be in Lower Manhattan. The PA took over Jersey's Hudson and Manhattan railroad which became PATH, that's how NY got NJ to agree to let them build the WTC. And most of the money the PA makes comes from NY. They run both of our airports and you don't pay a toll when you go to Jersey but if you want come to NYC you gotta pay, need I say more.

[QUOTE=boss-ton;52348355]^^ Speaking of new jersey and the twin towers a little bit of history behind the two.....The port authority is in charge of new york and new jersey. New jersey didnt want the port authority to spend the 350 million on the twin towers in new york and not have any of that money benefit new jersey since it was both of their money. Therefore the site of the twins was moved to the new jersey side of lower manhattan and that allowed them to reconstruct the hudson and manhattan subway system that was on the future wtc site but was not working. It cost 70 million to rebuild the subway so both sides were getting some of the money and at the same time now new jersey had a tunnel to the new most important part of manhattan. That is what made new jersey agree to let the port authority build the twins towers and why they were in that location.

Firstly there is no Jersey side of Manhattan. And the WTC was alway going to be in Lower Manhattan. The PA took over Jersey's Hudson and Manhattan railroad which became PATH, that's how NY got NJ to agree to let them build the WTC. And most of the money the PA makes comes from NY. They run both of our airports and you don't pay a toll when you go to Jersey but if you want come to NYC you gotta pay, need I say more.

There not building the city towers , its going to be a private mixed use building. The PA let them build on the Land.

[QUOTE=boss-ton;52348355]^^ Speaking of new jersey and the twin towers a little bit of history behind the two.....The port authority is in charge of new york and new jersey. New jersey didnt want the port authority to spend the 350 million on the twin towers in new york and not have any of that money benefit new jersey since it was both of their money. Therefore the site of the twins was moved to the new jersey side of lower manhattan and that allowed them to reconstruct the hudson and manhattan subway system that was on the future wtc site but was not working. It cost 70 million to rebuild the subway so both sides were getting some of the money and at the same time now new jersey had a tunnel to the new most important part of manhattan. That is what made new jersey agree to let the port authority build the twins towers and why they were in that location.

Firstly there is no Jersey side of Manhattan. And the WTC was alway going to be in Lower Manhattan. The PA took over Jersey's Hudson and Manhattan railroad which became PATH, that's how NY got NJ to agree to let them build the WTC. And most of the money the PA makes comes from NY. They run both of our airports and you don't pay a toll when you go to Jersey but if you want come to NYC you gotta pay, need I say more.

the new jersey side aka the side facing new jersey u idiot that just needs to throw in your wrong 2 cents. Also I never said it wasnt going to be in lower manhattan I said thats why its at that site in lower manhattan and not at a different one because they had to find a site to locate in the beginning and ended up moving all of those radio businesses.

People, you're waaaay of topic...Just to let you know..

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WOW! Some of the best photos I've seen yet, especially the arial view.

Awesome! Great progress, but is it me or does it look strangely thin for as tall as it will be?

you shud get those wannabe twins highrises out of this thread bro

Wow!! Unbelievable Sky view~

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Sorry I have to post same picture. I have two questions:

1. Which buildnig did you took shot from? That is best shot of entire Ground Zero construction!

2. What is being built just north of WTC 7?

Sorry I have to post same picture. I have two questions:

1. Which buildnig did you took shot from? That is best shot of entire Ground Zero construction!

2. What is being built just north of WTC 7?

Not the OP, but attempting to answer anyway:

1. Probably a helicopter, as there are really no buildings in proximity to Ground Zero right now that are tall enough to offer that kind of vantage point.

2. I don't know if anything is being built on the site right now, but I do know that they just got done a little while back with the demolition of Fiterman Hall, which used to stand on the site and was damaged along with the old WTC7 building on 9/11.

Groundbreaking for the new Fiterman Hall was in January. It has begun construction. A picture here from lowermanhattan.info.

http://www.lowermanhattan.info/images/construction/project_updates/090506_Fiterman_Hall_LG.jpg

^^ That is too short building for downtown Manhattan. I wish they would build taller than this.

mindgoessnap, I see tall tower shade on the right of this picture. I think that person who took this picture must be top of this tower.

Sorry if this sounds stupid but could somebody point out the location of the rest of the wtc complex tower sites in the aeriel photo above?

^^ That is too short building for downtown Manhattan. I wish they would build taller than this.

mindgoessnap, I see tall tower shade on the right of this picture. I think that person who took this picture must be top of this tower.

Nope, there's no such a building there...It's a helicopter..

Fantastic photos, and a very exciting project!

Sorry if this sounds stupid but could somebody point out the location of the rest of the wtc complex tower sites in the aeriel photo above?

http://vincentloy.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/site_plan_north.jpg

This picture is oriented in almost the same way.

Sorry if this sounds stupid but could somebody point out the location of the rest of the wtc complex tower sites in the aeriel photo above?

The completion dates in this picture I found may not be accurate as they vary and change, so if wrong I do apologize in advance for that.

Here is a layout of which building goes where:

http://curbed.com/uploads/2008_10_timetable.jpg

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/1093/43813376056a4788dc54b.jpg

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/1093/43813376056a4788dc54b.jpg


from forum.skyscraperpage.com

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http://distinctdisadvantage.comuv.com/wtcsite2.jpg
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http://distinctdisadvantage.comuv.com/wtcsite3.jpg

I cannot wait until this is built. It looks incredible.

Does anyone know the significance of the layout of trees? I noticed that there are quite a few areas without any foliage.

The completion dates in this picture I found may not be accurate as they vary and change, so if wrong I do apologize in advance for that.

Here is a layout of which building goes where:



I'd add one to two years to all those dates. :ohno:

I think the Train Station is placed wrong? Its on the other side of the property form the Temp one and i think the Temp is going to become the permeant one , at least the location.

Does anyone know the significance of the layout of trees? I noticed that there are quite a few areas without any foliage.

The northeast corner of the memorial plaza will be mostly open with no trees and a cobblestone floor, to allow a space for anniversary events to be held (for a stage, bleachers, things like that). There will also be a smaller opening in the trees near the southwest corner. Look at the renderings for a better idea of the openings, that model is just a model.

Also I did notice in the model though that the corners of the memorial pools are chamfered. :)

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the new jersey side aka the side facing new jersey u idiot that just needs to throw in your wrong 2 cents. Also I never said it wasnt going to be in lower manhattan I said thats why its at that site in lower manhattan and not at a different one because they had to find a site to locate in the beginning and ended up moving all of those radio businesses.

No your wrong they build it there because it was the only place to building it. And the Pa runs WTC because once upon a time it was on the port edge of the harbor. Ok that part might not be true but it sounds good. Oh nobody cares about Jersey. And nothing I said was wrong I just finish what you half ass started. That's all but anyway those models look much better then the once 60 minutes used LOL.

what a big project....probably when finish,the museum also memorial WTC will be object tourism in NY...

Does anyone know the significance of the layout of trees? I noticed that there are quite a few areas without any foliage.

The slab you see in the pic is about 6 feet below the level of the Plaza. The hatches well be buried under about a foot of soil and grass. I just hope some idiot doesn't plant a tree on top of them.


Copied and pasted from another forum I am a member of.

oh I really like the fact that you can see how tall tower 1 has gotta in those pics. For some reason, I keep thinking I'm going to see someone say we still have time to start over again, like they did last year I think it was on MSNBC but it was most likely Fox News.

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No your wrong they build it there because it was the only place to building it. And the Pa runs WTC because once upon a time it was on the port edge of the harbor. Ok that part might not be true but it sounds good. Oh nobody cares about Jersey. And nothing I said was wrong I just finish what you half ass started. That's all but anyway those models look much better then the once 60 minutes used LOL.

The original plan was to build it over the approach tracks to Penn Station on the west side Mid Town, but New Jersey screamed to holy hell for good reason.

Giving away my age again.

yeah zen your old if you were around for that one LOL. They need to take it away from the PA it world trade doesn't make much since to me in the first place. They just need to give it up

HEY, I'm not that old !! Born in '62. I'm just good at research.

^^ Any of you who are truly interested in the history of the former WTC should read City in the Sky: the Rise and Fall of the World Trade Center, (http://www.amazon.com/City-Sky-World-Trade-Center/dp/B000JCEAVY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1266984917&sr=8-1) by New York Times reporters James Glanz and Eric Lipton. It's quite comprehensive about the pre-construction and construction stages, particularly. I highly recommend it.

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No your wrong they build it there because it was the only place to building it. And the Pa runs WTC because once upon a time it was on the port edge of the harbor. Ok that part might not be true but it sounds good. Oh nobody cares about Jersey. And nothing I said was wrong I just finish what you half ass started. That's all but anyway those models look much better then the once 60 minutes used LOL.

My post wasn't my opinion on what I thought happened, it was based on facts that i personally researched and read myself. Your arguing against documented factual information.

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/1093/43813376056a4788dc54b.jpg

There looks like there is enough room for a smaller building to be placed on the west side of 3WTC, in front of the proposed tower. Maybe another smaller building could be built there, possibly there return of the Marriott WTC, could name it 6WTC. Then when you think about it, there will be a building for each No. from 1WTC to 7WTC. One World Trade Center "Freedom Tower", Two World Trade Center "200 Greenwich Street", Three World Trade Center "175 Greenwich Street", Four World Trade Center "150 Greenwich Street", Five World Trade Center "130 Liberty Street", Six World Trade Center Marriott Hotel "Next to 175 Greenwich street", and Seven World Trade Center. Then you have the performing arts center of course next to One World Trade Center Plaza.

Time will tell.......

There looks like there is enough room for a smaller building to be placed on the west side of 3WTC, in front of the proposed tower.

There is. It's the museum.

http://distinctdisadvantage.comuv.com/wtcsite3.jpg

Forget about any new steel this week, I pretty sure they not gonna get even get a current floor done. Some shitty weather going on every day this week.

Forget about any new steel this week, I pretty sure they not gonna get even a current floor done. Some shitty weather going on every day this week.

Yeah I saw that. But considering the fact that when the last progress report came out and said that the base would be completed by the end of the first quarter of 2010 (end of March) everyone here was surprised that it would be completed that fast, and then shortly afterwards there was a quote by someone saying that it would be completed by the end of February and everyone thought that that was impossible and just wishful thinking, and THEN it turns out that they actually completed it by mid-February... I really can't complain that it can't continue construction for a few more days. They deserve a break. :)

One more thing, I did see them pouring concrete somewhere inside 1WTC earlier this morning (probably the core), so at least work is continuing on the inside of the building. They probably have to have the core reinforcement up to a certain height before they can continue building the upper floors anyway so they probably wouldn't be building out the upper floors even if it weren't raining this week.

^^ Any of you who are truly interested in the history of the former WTC should read City in the Sky: the Rise and Fall of the World Trade Center, (http://www.amazon.com/City-Sky-World-Trade-Center/dp/B000JCEAVY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1266984917&sr=8-1) by New York Times reporters James Glanz and Eric Lipton. It's quite comprehensive about the pre-construction and construction stages, particularly. I highly recommend it.

I actually have that book....although it has been a while since I read it. Good read though.

HEY, I'm not that old !! Born in '62. I'm just good at research.

Your the same age as my mother and father and they be 48 and I call them old LOL. And Boss Ton I didn't say it wasn't a fact but only half the fact. Anyway were's the pics at I could go down there and see what's going on but I don't want to do that LOL.

There looks like there is enough room for a smaller building to be placed on the west side of 3WTC, in front of the proposed tower. Maybe another smaller building could be built there, possibly there return of the Marriott WTC, could name it 6WTC.

The podium of 3WTC takes up that spot.

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/66466720/original.jpg

Nice video on the memorial by NBC...

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local-beat/On-Hallowed-Ground-Inside-The-WTC-Memorial--84661137.html

It's short, but gives a lot of new views of the construction. It also looks like the video must have been shot within the last 2 weeks, and focuses on WHAT HAS been built, instead of focusing on the muddy pit in one corner of the site and deliberately avoiding showing 1WTC or the memorial like that 60 Minutes piece.

There looks like there is enough room for a smaller building to be placed on the west side of 3WTC, in front of the proposed tower. Maybe another smaller building could be built there, possibly there return of the Marriott WTC, could name it 6WTC. Then when you think about it, there will be a building for each No. from 1WTC to 7WTC. One World Trade Center "Freedom Tower", Two World Trade Center "200 Greenwich Street", Three World Trade Center "175 Greenwich Street", Four World Trade Center "150 Greenwich Street", Five World Trade Center "130 Liberty Street", Six World Trade Center Marriott Hotel "Next to 175 Greenwich street", and Seven World Trade Center. Then you have the performing arts center of course next to One World Trade Center Plaza.

Time will tell.......

There isn't room there. 3 WTC is just set back from the street about 10 floors up instead of rising straight into the sky.

Oops another page it's been covered.

Why not call the museum pavillion 6WTC?

Why not call the museum pavillion 6WTC?

I think the Performing Arts Center will be called WTC6. Sure, it's not an office building, but the Marriott Hotel wasn't an office building either and was still called WTC3.

I think the Performing Arts Center will be called WTC6. Sure, it's not an office building, but the Marriott Hotel wasn't an office building either and was still called WTC3.

I forgot about the PAC. That's a more logical 6WTC. But I'd rather it be a future tower.

damn weather :( Looks like nothing will be going on until Monday

Speaking of Marriott Hotel... Is there any chance Marriott Hotel will return to Ground Zero?

Speaking of Marriott Hotel... Is there any chance Marriott Hotel will return to Ground Zero?

There are no current plans, no. And due to the difficulty of finding funds to get the ones that are already planned and designed actually built, I wouldn't look forward to it happening ANYTIME soon. However, I am holding out hope that eventually they will build a hotel directly south (across Liberty street) from where the original Marriott stood, on the plot of land next to the proposed 5WTC (and north of 90 West Street).

The plot of land is too small for an office tower, but hotels typically have a much smaller footprint (look at the Millenium Hilton). The plot of land is big enough to allow for a podium 104' x 208' wide (shaped sorta like the footprint of the new 7WTC), with 20' wide sidewalk on the south side and north sides and a 30 foot wide sidewalk to the west side allowing for a pull-in. To the east side of the building, a park would be shared with 5WTC. A pull-in lane and security checkpoint would exist to the north, where cleared vehicles would then enter into the underground garage through a heavily reinforced section on the east side of the hotel. (Yes, I've spent a loooottttt of time thinking about this and even have diagrams for each floor. :) )

damn weather :( Looks like nothing will be going on until Monday

The weather radar looks like it's thunder-snowing in NYC. Earthcam is iced over.

Current shot on Earthcam.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b125/Uaarkson/WTC11.jpg

http://media.ign.com/boardfaces/18.gif

haha that earth cam shot is hilarious. I'm surprised it's taken so long to get this thing completed.

I'm surprised it's taken you this long to get banned, you walking advertisement.

:lol:

I see a fight of polar bears in a salt mine... :lol:

Its heavy chunky snow now , my friend across the river JC said he has 7 inches and counting now , so it think its the same there. Its also sticky snow ,as you can see for the webcam.:nuts:

Its heavy chunky snow now , my friend across the river JC said he has 7 inches and counting now , so it think its the same there. Its also sticky snow ,as you can see for the webcam.:nuts:

Why do all you girls have to report incorrectly on the weather. We have only slush in Manhattan.

Your the same age as my mother and father and they be 48 and I call them old LOL. And Boss Ton I didn't say it wasn't a fact but only half the fact. Anyway were's the pics at I could go down there and see what's going on but I don't want to do that LOL.

Go clean your room ! And take out the trash!:)

Looks like the weather is NOT co-operating ! 8:50pm local time temp has droped wind has picked up and it's snowing hard again.

DesignerVoodoo, that's how it was today in Linden, NJ, slush, heavy but melting snow, but things are taking a turn for the worse.

Why do all you girls have to report incorrectly on the weather. We have only slush in Manhattan.

Girls :lol: I'm a male :lol: it takes time for snow to fall on Manhattan due to the Manhattan Island affect.

Current shot on Earthcam.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b125/Uaarkson/WTC11.jpg

http://media.ign.com/boardfaces/18.gif

Wow, such progress! :nuts:

Speaking of Marriott Hotel... Is there any chance Marriott Hotel will return to Ground Zero?

Like the first Mariott Hotel (which was built as the Vista International ) any new hotel would probably wait until after the complex is finished. Hotel developers time their properties to come on line once there is sufficient traffic and business. They might project a start two years or so before the WTC is finished so they can open simultaneously. Another possibility is of a redesign as Silverstein has hinted at, of WTC 2 so it could have hotel floors. But I guarantee nobody would want to spend the money just to open a hotel in the middle of a messy construction scene.

Nexis,
I must apologize for being so surly.

Rosebud

Wow, I just realized that it's been 17 years since February 26, 1993 (the first attack on the World Trade Center). I wonder if there are going to be any memorial services at the site today, however small.

Probably something small I would say

Oh it stop snowing for now

Current shot on Earthcam.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b125/Uaarkson/WTC11.jpg

http://media.ign.com/boardfaces/18.gif

That is definitely terrible weather. :D

By Morrongiello, 2-26-10.

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/morrongiello/

Another possibility is of a redesign as Silverstein has hinted at, of WTC 2 so it could have hotel floors.

That would not only be one of the most awesome places for a hotel in the city, but the possibility could perhaps even be a salvation for WTC 2. Its future seems obnoxiously unclear right now. If they do that, it could be the highest and most visited hotel in New York. Imagine having a private "Windows on the World" view... The stepped floors at the building's crown could be rendered as balconies.

Here is a new timelapse video from wtcprogress.com. Great footage of inside the memorial and close ups of jumbo column installation.

PdwgxTCORRA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdwgxTCORRA

^^Wow, great video. I like timelapses like that.

one of the best timelapses so far

Thanks for the replies about hotel part. I hope we will get to see a new hotel going on this area someday.

Great video! I agree with bbtrain72, that is one of best timelapses so far!

Yeah I love that video. It took me forever to figure out where in the heck that fantastic shot from inside the "museum" is located at. I literally had to go back and look through the photos taken by morongiello from March-May 2009 as the museum was under construction but I finally figured it out. There were three levels (each about 13' tall) built below the taller (about 20') museum level which will be between the two pools. Towards the north end, the third floor slab was left out which allows for the chiller plant. So there's the bedrock level, and then on the floor slab 13' above is where the camera is, and then the next two levels are open, and the ceiling above is the floor slab for the museum level. The camera pans south to north.

I know this is probably TMI for most, but if you've been following the construction literally every day for the past three years like I have and feel like you know every column and every beam in the museum, it's frustrating when you see such a fantastic shot which shows just how far along the museum is with the concrete and sprinklers and vent shafts and everything and have no idea where it IS in the museum. I wish we had more pics from the museum. I bet the Great Hall is fantastic at this point.

What you see 27 seconds into the video is the Chiller Plant.

Yeah I've seen the timelapse before on the wtc progress site.
It really shows the progress that this site had this year.
But there is just one point that I don't like about the video: the background music.
The background music sounds a bit 80's?!

Cool video. the music could be more corny though. Makes it sound like an 80's instructional video.

The building should rise quickly now that the base is finished :)

That's a great video. If there's a video like that for the whole tower that would be insane!

http://curbed.com/archives/2009/12/23/a_field_trip_to_1_world_trade_center_hardhats_not_included.php

A nice photo update from Curbed this morning.

http://curbed.com/archives/2009/12/23/a_field_trip_to_1_world_trade_center_hardhats_not_included.php

A nice photo update from Curbed this morning.

Update? Mostly updates are new but this one is from 23 December 2009.

Update? Mostly updates are new but this one is from 23 December 2009.

I'm sorry, I'm guessing you have been inside this project by your surly comment and seen what it looks like. I haven't and I'm sure many others here have not seen the interior either so I thought I would pass it on.

I'm sorry, I'm guessing you have been inside this project by your surly comment and seen what it looks like. I haven't and I'm sure many others here have not seen the interior either so I thought I would pass it on.What he not-so-politely meant was that the Curbed update itself is from December. I think it was posted here around that time. The photos are great though, so I was happy to see it again.

I'm sorry, I'm guessing you have been inside this project by your surly comment and seen what it looks like. I haven't and I'm sure many others here have not seen the interior either so I thought I would pass it on.

I'm sorry I was reading this thread in December and so HAVE seen the interior as have many others.

Cement trucks lining up on the south side of wtc1. Working into the night :)

Note: Is it more proper to say Concrete than Cement? Cement being the ingredient of Concrete. People often confuse the difference.

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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/Freedomtower-feb2009.jpg/800px-Freedomtower-feb2009.jpg

Just a reminder of what a year has done.

thanks for updates...nice -Ö

Hey guys I was on a field trip yesterday and had some free time. I went to the site late in the afternoon yesterday. Sorry for the glare on some pics, I was in some building (cant remember the name lol) taking pics :cheers:

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/4289/dsc5985.jpg (http://img443.imageshack.us/i/dsc5985.jpg/) http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/5761/dsc5984.jpg (http://img411.imageshack.us/i/dsc5984.jpg/) http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/6108/dsc5990.jpg (http://img714.imageshack.us/i/dsc5990.jpg/) http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/3915/dsc5992.jpg (http://img684.imageshack.us/i/dsc5992.jpg/) http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/7379/dsc5993.jpg (http://img168.imageshack.us/i/dsc5993.jpg/)
If you look hard enough you can see some workers in this one:
http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/9862/dsc5994.jpg (http://img251.imageshack.us/i/dsc5994.jpg/)

^^
interesting photos there.

The base looks like one big whiskey shaped glass atm.

Thanks for the pictures Dubai fan. We are all anxiously watching for the first office floor to start. Hopefully any day now!

^^
interesting photos there.

The base looks like one big whiskey shaped glass atm.

Actually I think it looks like a Borg Cube. (Star Trek reference to those who haven't seen it)

Obviously, a lot of stuff still needs to be accomplished on the base, but out of curiosity, roughly when might we start seeing that gorgeous cladding being installed?

Notorious progress, nice pics, thanks a lot !

Obviously, a lot of stuff still needs to be accomplished on the base, but out of curiosity, roughly when might we start seeing that gorgeous cladding being installed?

3rd quarter 2010.

it does look like a Borg ship that crazy. And to think you'd find nerds in a skyscraper form LOL.

Cement trucks lining up on the south side of wtc1. Working into the night :)

Note: Is it more proper to say Concrete than Cement? Cement being the ingredient of Concrete. People often confuse the difference.

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Cement is un-cured concrete. Once water is added and it gets hard it's concrete.

March 2nd, 2010

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t263/DKNY617/IMG_1013.jpg
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t263/DKNY617/IMG_1014.jpg

is it still snow season at NY...??

I hope I can see more progress next time I visit NYC.
Thanks for sharing the photos.

is it still snow season at NY...??

Yes. It usually snows until about mid-April. This year has had much higher than average snowfall, though.

it does look like a Borg ship that crazy. And to think you'd find nerds in a skyscraper form LOL.

...resistance is futile! You will be assimmilated!!

Inside us,
When you see it being built believe it. Until then it's just someone's imagination and a pretty drawing.

And yes, it is completely the wrong place.

The floor plates are finished on the top base level. I see no steel on site for the first office level. Slow due to weather, or planned pause to complete the base inside?

And yes, it is completely the wrong place.

The floor plates are finished on the top base level. I see no steel on site for the first office level. Slow due to weather, or planned pause to complete the base inside?

It's probably the weather. We've been bombarded with snow or rain weekly for the past month or so.

first of all excuse me, maybe wrong place, but you should know about this


i found this information from one of the Indonesian forum , is that true ???

they say that this building will be the biggest in the world...through the Burj Khalifa

Not going to happen. At least not in the next 10 years. Btw every now and then some bureau comes with some extraordinary plans just to get some attention.

^^ LOL Another "Miapolis" drone.

...resistance is futile! You will be assimmilated!!

LOL maybe one day I'll have a office in tower 1 you never know

By GreenwichBoy, WNY, 3-3-10. Still no new core steel yet.

http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8488&d=1267626653

http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8489&d=1267626671

http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8490&d=1267626687

By GreenwichBoy, WNY, 3-3-10. Still no new core steel yet.

http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8488&d=1267626653

http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8489&d=1267626671

http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8490&d=1267626687

I wonder if they have stopped to do a design review.

I was also wondering if they don't build tower 2 and/or 3 would they make tower one taller?

I wonder if they have stopped to do a design review.

I was also wondering if they don't build tower 2 and/or 3 would they make tower one taller?
No and no.

The good thing about the base being the strongest steel ever made is that is entirely possible, likely....no. BTW wtf is up with the core it hasnt moved in months.

Glidescube wrote:
I was also wondering if they don't build tower 2 and/or 3 would they make tower one taller?
It seems to me that there is so much advance planning that involves various companies who are providing such things as elevators that once a project gets to a certain point you just can't suddenly change the whole design to make it taller. I'm sure that every little detail has already been worked out and there are probably a great many pieces of this building that have already been manufactured and are in the pipeline ready to be shipped to the site when they're needed.

Does anyone know when the cladding will begin?
Sorry... Q3 2010, I read the post a couple of pages
back after I posted this message.

I'm thinking as I'm looking at the pictures...
Don't you think they over built this thing?

BTW wtf is up with the core it hasnt moved in months.

That's because it's been the middle of winter the past few months and they can't pour concrete unless the temperature is above 32 degrees F, otherwise it'll just freeze and the concrete won't be any good. However, the core actually did start rising again about two weeks ago, when there started to be a lot of days where the temp got into the 40s. If you look at the pics from a few pages back you can see that the southern core is all the way at the very top of the lobby and the northern half is one jump away.

is it still snow season at NY...??

The snow is actually photoshopped into all of the pictures.

^ :lol:

Does anyone know when the cladding will begin?
Sorry... Q3 2010, I read the post a couple of pages
back after I posted this message.

I'm thinking as I'm looking at the pictures...
Don't you think they over built this thing?

What you don't like fort trade center? Thats not a question. It goes without saying, they are not over building this thing. And who ask if they was making it taller, why in gods name would they do that.

mclancer wrote:
I'm thinking as I'm looking at the pictures...
Don't you think they over built this thing?
I remember reading somewhere that the base of this building was going to be constructed in such a way that it could withstand an explosion from a truck bomb. I'm sure they're taking every precaution they can because it's such a high profile location.

That's because it's been the middle of winter the past few months and they can't pour concrete unless the temperature is above 32 degrees F,

Been below that a lot of this year in London and yet the Shard core has gone up 20 stories - seem to be pouring 24hrs and the nights are definitely freezing.

Maybe some other reason (london uses slave labour ?).

Been below that a lot of this year in London and yet the Shard core has gone up 20 stories - seem to be pouring 24hrs and the nights are definitely freezing.

Maybe some other reason (london uses slave labour ?).

There is a technique in which chemicals are added to the concrete mixture which allows for the concrete to harden even during freezing temperatures, but the downside to this technique is that it makes the concrete less strong and therefore its use is prohibited in the construction of 1WTC.

Actually though, another technique which they used on 1WTC to pour the concrete core all throughout the previous winter was that they wrapped these huge, heated "blankets" around the entire section of the core that was being poured. But I haven't seen them use these at all this past winter. So, I dunno why the core didn't rise higher throughout this past winter.

Been below that a lot of this year in London and yet the Shard core has gone up 20 stories - seem to be pouring 24hrs and the nights are definitely freezing.

Maybe some other reason (london uses slave labour ?).

It's two completely different methods of construction by the same structural engineering firm. Guess which one is going to be stronger? The one with a completely concrete core or the one with a concrete core completely integrated with the core steel?

Obviously both towers are being built to the highest standards, so why do Shard people insist on coming in here and talking garbage? I have nothing for praise for the Shard when I visit the thread.

First visit to this thread for a month or so...

I'll check back in another month to play my monthly game of spot-the-difference.

Work stopped on the core to allow the steel to get far enough ahead so that both the steel and the core could rise uninterrupted.

As stated, work on the core has resumed and should be continuous from here on.

It turns out that the very strong concrete being used generates more than enough heat while curing to prevent freezing even in temps as low as 20 degrees F. Insulation is usually enough. In the heat of summer icing the mix and chiller blankets may be needed.

mclancer wrote:

I remember reading somewhere that the base of this building was going to be constructed in such a way that it could withstand an explosion from a truck bomb. I'm sure they're taking every precaution they can because it's such a high profile location.

You are correct, the lobby well be protected by blast walls and the structure is redundant. This is probably the safest tower ever designed.