Wow! Does anyone know when One World Trade Center will reach the rooftop of World Financial Center?

I just hope all those vibrations from the site won't be bad for the granite...:)

The rebuildgroundzero.com webcam is back up.

whats the old skyscraper next to 7WTC?
btw, 1WTC will reach height of 229m 7WTC at lev62.
http://s2.imgimg.de/uploads/NY0da1e3f2jpg.jpg

whats the old skyscraper next to 7WTC?
btw, 1WTC will reach height of 229m 7WTC at lev62.
http://s2.imgimg.de/uploads/NY0da1e3f2jpg.jpg

The art deco one?
is so then it the Verizon Building

thanks, cant seem to find it on ssp? has it another name? what is its height? i want to add to diagram of 1WTC.
thanks

found it. its now known as Barclay Vesey Building, built 1926 at 152m/500ft/
cheers

found it. its now known as Barclay Vesey Building, built 1926 at 152m/500ft/
cheers

1WTC should overtake that building by September (my guess), 44th floor is 506 feet.

thanks spectre
ive added 7WTC and barclayvesey bldg for comparisons as it grows skywards
also added floors and relative heights.

It took me like two hours or so, but finally I solved the floor mystery.

panynj.gov says the chinese center will be located on portions of the 64th floor and the entire 65th through 69th floors. Hence it follows that the 64th will be skylobby AND office. It's also said that there will be 69 office floors. So rest was just counting. Have Fun!

http://s5.directupload.net/images/100423/temp/ib2cfd7y.jpg (http://s5.directupload.net/file/d/2138/ib2cfd7y_jpg.htm)

Not only floors 7 - 19 won't exist, but also floors 94-99. That's exatly where Flight AA11 crashed into. Considering that also the roof height ( 417 m) refers to the twins this building is more like a memorial than a office building. It really deserves its location next to the footprints.
i think this will be my new favorite building :applause:

^thanks OWR
ive amended again to show floor numbers. (fyi floor numbering is going out the door. ICC has 106floors but its known as 118storeys)
(in reality 1WTC has 86 actual floors)
yes its one of my favs going up atm
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4008/4544713092_55ea297d5d_o.jpg

By GreenwichBoy, WNY, 4-22-10.

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=9332&d=1271986948

The art deco one?
is so then it the Verizon Building

That's a nice view of Goldman. I like that tower.

question was answered

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4053/4541650293_d591010dee_o.jpg

http://i1009.photobucket.com/albums/af214/tomhinch/WTC/DSCN0059.jpg

^^ did you get that top pic from the beekman thread?

^^ did you get that top pic from the beekman thread?
No, but I just found out it's on it. Sorry.

wow it is gonna be a monster! nice :D

Excellent panorama ! Its starting to looks from different angles...

By GreenwichBoy, WNY, 4-23-10. New steel. Now up to the 26th floor!

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=9338&d=1272028952

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=9337&d=1272028944

April 23rd, 2010

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http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t263/DKNY617/IMG_1352.jpg
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:eek::eek:

Amazing this tower, amazing pictures:drool:

Yay! Im happy to see new steel! Thank you for the photos

:drool::drool::drool::drool: Beautiful tower!

found it. its now known as Barclay Vesey Building, built 1926 at 152m/500ft/
cheers

In my personal opinion. I dont think it was worth restoring this building after the collapse of the World Trade Center. It cost $1.4 Billion to fix this building to the conditions that it is now. They should have demoslished it and build a beautiful tower in its place. Right now it just looks like an outcast in the middle of all those beautiful glass-covered towers with its low height. I mean, i understand its a good historical landmark....but still

Lots of goodies from the New York Times:

360° Panorama of the Freedom Tower (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/04/23/nyregion/20100423-groundzero-panos.html?ref=nyregion) (taken from the roadway over the suspended subway line)
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/5059/nyt1wtcpanopreview.jpg
Article: Once Derided, Tower at Ground Zero Is Now Desired (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/24/nyregion/24zero.html) by Charles V. Bagli

The planned skyscraper once known as the Freedom Tower was
scorned for years by urban planners, downtown residents and real
estate executives who regarded it as an oversize and unnecessary
exercise in waste and hubris.

But the acrimonious debates, cost
overruns and lengthy delays in
building the tower appear to be over.
More than 1,400 workers are pouring
concrete and installing girder upon
girder. And with the red steel
latticework for the obelisk-shape
building now rising more than 240
feet at ground zero, it has turned into an object of desire.

Four major real estate developers are vying to buy a
minority stake in the $3.1 billion project and to take over
the leasing and operating of the skyscraper. This week, the
developers submitted their final offers to the owner, the
Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which plans
to pick a winner by June.
...
Diagram of current site layout:
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2010/04/24/nyregion/24zero_CA3/24zero_CA3-articleInline.jpg

There are also panoramas of the transportation hub, memorial, and east bathtub available at that first link.

In my personal opinion. I dont think it was worth restoring this building after the collapse of the World Trade Center. It cost $1.4 Billion to fix this building to the conditions that it is now. They should have demoslished it and build a beautiful tower in its place. Right now it just looks like an outcast in the middle of all those beautiful glass-covered towers with its low height. I mean, i understand its a good historical landmark....but still

Unlikely that anything beautiful would be built there. It would be another glass tower, which get boring pretty quickly.

Also this building is owned by Verizon, and they have tons of phone infrastructure that would probably cost them as much or more to move into another building. For them it was better to renovate the building them spend the time and money to move their equipment and likely inconvenience their customers.

Looking at the pics a couple of pages back of laying granite facings around the memorial site I feel a little disappointed ........not with this project but the modern technique of cladding something to look like it's so solid from blocks of stone yet really just like a veneer. I understand it's all about cost. Imagine if the ancient pyramids were really just a frame with inch think stone cladding...they would be long gone now....or even some of the monuments in Washington ? Are Lincoln or Jefferson Memorials just clad in veneer marble or are they solid columns like the Parthenon in Greece ? ....when it's finished it will look like it's solid stone.....sometimes maybe better not to see how it's constructed....most people, not like us SSC guys maybe will see it through different eyes....?

Looking at the pics a couple of pages back of laying granite facings around the memorial site I feel a little disappointed ........not with this project but the modern technique of cladding something to look like it's so solid from blocks of stone yet really just like a veneer. I understand it's all about cost. Imagine if the ancient pyramids were really just a frame with inch think stone cladding...they would be long gone now....or even some of the monuments in Washington ? Are Lincoln or Jefferson Memorials just clad in veneer marble or are they solid columns like the Parthenon in Greece ? ....when it's finished it will look like it's solid stone.....sometimes maybe better not to see how it's constructed....most people, not like us SSC guys maybe will see it through different eyes....?

Are you saying that the whole memorial should have been constructed out of stone from the bedrock up?

Covering the concrete pools with larger blocks of granite just wouldn't make any sense. The end result would look the same.

In my personal opinion. I dont think it was worth restoring this building after the collapse of the World Trade Center. It cost $1.4 Billion to fix this building to the conditions that it is now. They should have demoslished it and build a beautiful tower in its place. Right now it just looks like an outcast in the middle of all those beautiful glass-covered towers with its low height. I mean, i understand its a good historical landmark....but still

I find your definiton of beauty . . . lacking.

Looking at the pics a couple of pages back of laying granite facings around the memorial site I feel a little disappointed ........not with this project but the modern technique of cladding something to look like it's so solid from blocks of stone yet really just like a veneer. I understand it's all about cost. Imagine if the ancient pyramids were really just a frame with inch think stone cladding...they would be long gone now....or even some of the monuments in Washington ? Are Lincoln or Jefferson Memorials just clad in veneer marble or are they solid columns like the Parthenon in Greece ? ....when it's finished it will look like it's solid stone.....sometimes maybe better not to see how it's constructed....most people, not like us SSC guys maybe will see it through different eyes....?

If the pyramids were built in the same way they probably would be long gone, like there one inch thick polished marble skin. It is considerably cheaper and faster to simply put a stone skin on the pools, but it well also be cheaper and faster to replace damaged stones in the future.

THe Lincoln and Jefferson Memorials have solid stone columns, sitting on concrete foundations.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/32/Lincoln_Memorial_Under_Construction_1916.jpg

Some people just don't see the value of architecture as a living record of the past. The Barclay Vesey Building (1926) is still standing and still a living testament to the architectural beauty of the time. It might not be super tall, and it might not look modern, but it has character and makes NYC better than other Manufactured cities around the world. ElCrioyo (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/member.php?u=110732), Should they replace Santo Domingo with a new Wal-Mart Mega Church?

http://www.bibleplaces.com/images/Chefren%27s%20Pyramid%20outer%20casing%20closeup,%20100-25tb.jpg

In my personal opinion. I dont think it was worth restoring this building after the collapse of the World Trade Center. It cost $1.4 Billion to fix this building to the conditions that it is now. They should have demoslished it and build a beautiful tower in its place. Right now it just looks like an outcast in the middle of all those beautiful glass-covered towers with its low height. I mean, i understand its a good historical landmark....but still

It might be the Verizon Building's fate to be an outcast. It didn't fit in, even when it was built. Look at it surrounded by a sea of low rise buildings.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2250/3740269607_12c5b62561_b.jpg

The Verizon building is a beautiful classic skyscraper.

Looking at the pics a couple of pages back of laying granite facings around the memorial site I feel a little disappointed ........not with this project but the modern technique of cladding something to look like it's so solid from blocks of stone yet really just like a veneer. I understand it's all about cost. Imagine if the ancient pyramids were really just a frame with inch think stone cladding...they would be long gone now....or even some of the monuments in Washington ? Are Lincoln or Jefferson Memorials just clad in veneer marble or are they solid columns like the Parthenon in Greece ? ....when it's finished it will look like it's solid stone.....sometimes maybe better not to see how it's constructed....most people, not like us SSC guys maybe will see it through different eyes....?
I agree with you completely on this. I do think there's more to it and just cost however. We have lost craftsmen in the building trades. Nowadays all we have is laborers even though some of them call themselves tradesmen. None of them are true craftsmen like those who built the great buildings of the past. They don't want to work hard and depend on machinery to do everything for them. This is also demonstrated by how long it takes to build a building today.

Looking at the pics a couple of pages back of laying granite facings around the memorial site I feel a little disappointed ........not with this project but the modern technique of cladding something to look like it's so solid from blocks of stone yet really just like a veneer. I understand it's all about cost. Imagine if the ancient pyramids were really just a frame with inch think stone cladding...they would be long gone now....or even some of the monuments in Washington ? Are Lincoln or Jefferson Memorials just clad in veneer marble or are they solid columns like the Parthenon in Greece ? ....when it's finished it will look like it's solid stone.....sometimes maybe better not to see how it's constructed....most people, not like us SSC guys maybe will see it through different eyes....?

I agree with you completely on this. I do think there's more to it and just cost however. We have lost craftsmen in the building trades. Nowadays all we have is laborers even though some of them call themselves tradesmen. None of them are true craftsmen like those who built the great buildings of the past. They don't want to work hard and depend on machinery to do everything for them. This is also demonstrated by how long it takes to build a building today.


Two great examples that make of the past, a myth, something to aspire to, a "better time". How original. Two great examples that of what you study in a social-psychology in college.

For redbaron

1) Use of thicker stone means greater weight that the structure needs to bear, one of the MAIN reasons why you use granite as a cladding, instead of making it "out of". Since there is a museum under ground, you have to engineer it to take into consideration the use of the space under it. You can build the fountains out of 1 meter thick led if you wanted to, but then the rooms underneath will be full of columns to be able for the structure to adjust to the unnecessary weight.

2) like you already pointed out, cost is ALSO a factor. There is absolutely no reason why to make a project even more expensive, when the costs are already an issue (since we are talking about billions of dollars).

3) Like other people have already pointed out, using the pyramids as an example is incorrect. Stone was used because it was cheap, available and durable. they did not have reinforced concrete and steel beams. And, like the picture of the pyramid posted above shows, they were cladded with a thin layer of white stone, so it "looked like" they were made out of it (according to your perspective) even though nobody really did, since it would be ridiculous to think that. There are plenty of examples like this from "the better times": the Coliseum in Rome was cladded with a thin layer of travertine, so people didn't see the ugly brown stone it was made out of (just like today it would be unsightly to see plane, bare concrete). Most of that was then taken away and used for Saint Peter's Basilica (talk about being cheap). Same was done for the Augustine Forum, the Senate and almost every building. Usually just the columns and statues were completely made out of it.

Guess that should sum it up on how ridiculous your observation was. It's healthy to criticize, where a critical perspective is needed. Not to just flap your gums.



As for Msradell comment, there is nothing to say. A post in which you criticize how people do their jobs, as " don't want to work hard" and uses the time "it takes to build a building today" as a meter for that criticism, doesn't even deserve the minute it took to write these two phrases. Pathetic.

I agree with you completely on this. I do think there's more to it and just cost however. We have lost craftsmen in the building trades. Nowadays all we have is laborers even though some of them call themselves tradesmen. None of them are true craftsmen like those who built the great buildings of the past. They don't want to work hard and depend on machinery to do everything for them. This is also demonstrated by how long it takes to build a building today.

I need to introduce you to some friends of mine. (they may not kick your ass). The arts of construction are far from dead, just buried under more public, more visible works.
The men and women who are constructing the stone skin of the Memorial pools and the men and women who well construct the stone and stainless steel lobby of Tower One should never have to look at your ignorant statement.

Two great examples that make of the past, a myth, something to aspire to, a "better time". How original. Two great examples that of what you study in a social-psychology in college.

For redbaron

1) Use of thicker stone means greater weight that the structure needs to bear, one of the MAIN reasons why you use granite as a cladding, instead of making it "out of". Since there is a museum under ground, you have to engineer it to take into consideration the use of the space under it. You can build the fountains out of 1 meter thick led if you wanted to, but then the rooms underneath will be full of columns to be able for the structure to adjust to the unnecessary weight.

2) like you already pointed out, cost is ALSO a factor. There is absolutely no reason why to make a project even more expensive, when the costs are already an issue (since we are talking about billions of dollars).

3) Like other people have already pointed out, using the pyramids as an example is incorrect. Stone was used because it was cheap, available and durable. they did not have reinforced concrete and steel beams. And, like the picture of the pyramid posted above shows, they were cladded with a thin layer of white stone, so it "looked like" they were made out of it (according to your perspective) even though nobody really did, since it would be ridiculous to think that. There are plenty of examples like this from "the better times": the Coliseum in Rome was cladded with a thin layer of travertine, so people didn't see the ugly brown stone it was made out of (just like today it would be unsightly to see plane, bare concrete). Most of that was then taken away and used for Saint Peter's Basilica (talk about being cheap). Same was done for the Augustine Forum, the Senate and almost every building. Usually just the columns and statues were completely made out of it.

Guess that should sum it up on how ridiculous your observation was. It's healthy to criticize, where a critical perspective is needed. Not to just flap your gums.



As for Msradell comment, there is nothing to say. A post in which you criticize how people do their jobs, as " don't want to work hard" and uses the time "it takes to build a building today" as a meter for that criticism, doesn't even deserve the minute it took to write these two phrases. Pathetic.

You tell 'em !!!!!!!

Anyone who thinks that craftsmen don't exist any more needs to read this article about the restoration of the Verizon building that some here are so rashly dismissing:

A Landmark Under the Knife (Actually, the Chisel); Artisans in Stone and Bronze Remake a Building Scarred on 9/11 (http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/14/nyregion/landmark-under-knife-actually-chisel-artisans-stone-bronze-remake-building.html)

I'm still hoping they are hiding the real hight, like it was a secret for a Chrysler bld. I know it's not possible nowadays, but I would like so badly for NYC to have the tallest building in the world once again ... :D

I'm still hoping they are hiding the real hight, like it was a secret for a Chrysler bld. I know it's not possible nowadays, but I would like so badly for NYC to have the tallest building in the world once again ... :D

Very unlikely, as the height has quite a bit of sentimental value attached to it.

Very unlikely, as the height has quite a bit of sentimental value attached to it.Maybe they could make the roof 1776 and the antenna 2001 :lol:

Maybe they could make the roof 1776 and the antenna 2001 :lol:

Ha! That's exactly what I said, like 300 pages or so ago. Then someone else said it a bit later. But I guess it just made to much sense for anybody too actually do it. :lol:

Maybe they could make the roof 1776 and the antenna 2001 :lol:What would the symbolism of that be? It sounds like an epitaph on a tombstone: USA 1776 - 2001.

And for better or worse, they can't just make the building taller halfway through. The Burj Khalifa was a very different design. The slope of the interlocking triangles has already been established by the base and the first four regular floors.

A screenshot from Higashi no Eden Movie I: The King of Eden
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higashi_no_Eden

http://s19.radikal.ru/i192/1004/d6/bc1482d97678.jpg

Wow! I always love it when Japanese animators do New York, and they did it dead-on this time!

Ha! That's exactly what I said, like 300 pages or so ago. Then someone else said it a bit later. But I guess it just made to much sense for anybody too actually do it. :lol:

Are you really incapable of understanding the implications of capping this tower at 2001 feet? Use your brain.

Inspired by that beautiful render I decided to mess around with google earth and see what the future skyline might look like:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/duffermcvolt/4552147884
http://www.flickr.com/photos/duffermcvolt/4551511405/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/duffermcvolt/4552148462/in/photostream/

Well, thankfully Manhattan looks much better than Google Earth :lol:

Can I ask where you downloaded those WTC models?

right here
http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=ac04e01b2403defd9f901e9610648239&prevstart=0

A screenshot from Higashi no Eden Movie I: The King of Eden
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higashi_no_Eden

http://s19.radikal.ru/i192/1004/d6/bc1482d97678.jpg

When I saw this picture it made me go :eek2: Sooo amazing!!!
:banana:

^^ too bad they forgot beekman place Iv really been wondering what that will look like along with the new wtc complex.

A screenshot from Higashi no Eden Movie I: The King of Eden
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higashi_no_Eden

epic pic of NYC with the new WTC complex

:righton:

that looks a little off though, it looks like 7 wtc is where 2 wtc should be, and 2 wtc is in the south west corner.

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn14/tsdtmb/Apr2010Update.jpg?t=1272265334
yeah...

Are you really incapable of understanding the implications of capping this tower at 2001 feet? Use your brain.

Maybe you could enlighten us, since you obviously seem to function at a higher level than mere humans.

thanks chewyspoon. great diagram, glad they chose latest design

Maybe you could enlighten us, since you obviously seem to function at a higher level than mere humans.

Someone who denys being human, I can sense since can't be more than that.

Having said that, someone tries to become human, that is the animals!


I like the animals but I don't like them.

Why denying yourself.

Like who constantly dream of the USA - what kind dream?

What freedom do you have in the States?

Behaving like the animals?


And what Americans want that?


Watching South Park?


That's a fiction.

Why making it real?

That's a crime . . .

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn14/tsdtmb/Apr2010Update.jpg?t=1272265334
I think that rebuilding WTC in original design could make a profit by tourism.

The original concepts all seem to have a much larger base than what is being built. There's no way these could have fit in the same space. I guess eliminating the streets and moving the other buildings was on the layout at the time?

Here you find the original diagram of the Freedom Tower's Evolution, which exclude the intolerable editing of ChewySpoon:
http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2006/01/03/opinion/20060103_TOWERS_GRAPHIC.html

Having said that, someone tries to become human, that is the animals!


I like the animals but I don't like them.

Why denying yourself.

Like who constantly dream of the USA - what kind dream?

What freedom do you have in the States?

Behaving like the animals?


And what Americans want that?


Watching South Park?


That's a fiction.

Why making it real?

That's a crime . . .



This is the greatest thread in all of the internet. It attracts a fascinating mixture of architecture geeks, malcontents, ironheads, New Yorkers, conspiracy theorists, haters, lovers and outright looney-bins. Sometimes all in the same post.

Kind of like how Jupiter vaccums in so much cosmic debris--this thread draws in those people with both a working computer, and an expired prescription to Haldol. Even from the farthest reaches of this universe we call the internet, the mentally disturbed will eventually find a home here, rest assured.

And you can rest ever more assuredly, I will be out there in the ether; reading every page and eargerly anticipating every update..

Rain fallin' down, steel goin' up...It' just hard to watch anything because 1WTC is now out of webcams...Only one is available to watch 1WTC...

I would like a webcam on the end of a WTC1 tower crane, pointing down please.

Maybe they could make the roof 1776 and the antenna 2001 :lol:

I thought they should have made the roof height 1776 feet and the the spire height the year it would be completed which is 2013. Then it would be forever remembered as being complete in 2013 not the year the world trade center fell.

why don't they make the roof 1776 feet, and an incomplete spire at 2013 feet (or whatever year they finish it), and add a foot to the spire each year?:)

why does WTC 1 have so much mechanical floor space at the top (according to Culwulla's diagram)?

This is the greatest thread in all of the internet. It attracts a fascinating mixture of architecture geeks, malcontents, ironheads, New Yorkers, conspiracy theorists, haters, lovers and outright looney-bins. Sometimes all in the same post.

Kind of like how Jupiter vaccums in so much cosmic debris--this thread draws in those people with both a working computer, and an expired prescription to Haldol. Even from the farthest reaches of this universe we call the internet, the mentally disturbed will eventually find a home here, rest assured.

And you can rest ever more assuredly, I will be out there in the ether; reading every page and eargerly anticipating every update..

Epic comment. I had the best laugh in days. Thanks man, and completely agree with you, it's just amazing.

why does WTC 1 have so much mechanical floor space at the top (according to Culwulla's diagram)?

The Twin Towers were heated and cooled from a central chiller plant underground.

Tower One will have all it's systems within the tower.

The Twin Towers were heated and cooled from a central chiller plant underground.

Tower One will have all it's systems within the tower.

Some of the "mechanical space" is for the transmitting equipment for all the antennas that will be on the roof (I think there are 2 whole floors for that).

There were 2 whole floors for that, before the deal with the MTVA fell through. There are still 5 floors for actual mechanical equipment, plus the roof.

Originally Posted by Zensteeldude
* 1-6 – tower base (including 60ft tall lobby and 5 mechanical floors)
* 20-63 – offices
* 64 – sky lobby (also has office space)
* 65-88 – offices
* 89-90 - Broadcast ( now up in the air)
* 91-93 - mechanical
* 100-101 – Restaurant
* 102 Observation Deck
* 103-104 – mechanical floors
* 105 - Roof
* 106 - Cooling tower catwalks
* 107-109 Communications Rings

Note: there are no floors 7-19 or 94-99.

The top platform of the communications ring is going to be 1,401' 5" above the lobby floor.

I don't get why they are calling the roof the 105th floor. They did the same thing with WTC7, there's a "53" sign at the top of the stairwell, leading out to the roof. It's just the roof! If the roof counts as a floor, then I guess the Twin Towers were 111 stories.

I thought they should have made the roof height 1776 feet and the the spire height the year it would be completed which is 2013. Then it would be forever remembered as being complete in 2013 not the year the world trade center fell.

That's also a good idea.

I don't get why they are calling the roof the 105th floor. They did the same thing with WTC7, there's a "53" sign at the top of the stairwell, leading out to the roof. It's just the roof! If the roof counts as a floor, then I guess the Twin Towers were 111 stories.

Actually the roofs of the twin towers counted as the 110th floor.

sorry for OT, but there is a huuuge steal part on top of the path station. Is that one of those super columns for the hub?

http://s1.directupload.net/images/100427/3fnqwi5l.jpg (http://www.directupload.net)

I have a question, they are going to rebuild the WTC with the originals designs? we are going to see again the twin towers?? it would be awesome....

I have a question, they are going to rebuild the WTC with the originals designs? we are going to see again the twin towers?? it would be awesome....

:|

Instead of randomly hammering away at your keyboard, you could have taken the effort to actually browse a little through this thread. Then you would have had an answer to your question.

(Which would be: NO)

I have a question, they are going to rebuild the WTC with the originals designs? we are going to see again the twin towers?? it would be awesome....

I assume you`re an alien that just arrived on planet earth, aren`t you ? :bash:

OWR that truly is huge. Look at it in comparison to the jumbo columns of WTC1. wow

http://oxblue.com/archive/487d07189e5fd2b7edce94fc0bcf4b68/800x600.jpg

I assume you`re an alien that just arrived on planet earth, aren`t you ? :bash:

In fact, I saw that diagram, I was thinking is it the last design they chose for One World Trade Center? Back to the original old one!?

^^ Just some moronic fantasy. It's a good thing the Twin Towers do not get rebuilt as though nothing happened.

I assume you`re an alien that just arrived on planet earth, aren`t you ? :bash:

Jajajaj, something like that...i never visit this thread, i just took a look and i read that. I´m so interesting in this project, but i just read threads from my city, Bogotá...This is the second time that i "arrived on planet earth"....

Quick two question.
The steelwork that we see now - is the whole tower going to follow this same construction or will there be concrete at any stage?
Given the progress to date, is there any reason that this tower will proceed at a faster rate?
Thanks.

sorry for OT, but there is a huuuge steal part on top of the path station. Is that one of those super columns for the hub?
Zen said you could drive a car on top of it so it must be it

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:nono: Keep it on topic!

They need to hurry up with that Transit Hub , its bloody hot in the Temp. PATH station and when Summer Hits they better have fans. The air calm and doesn't move , at least the Trains have AC. I did shot these 2 Videos while in the Temp station. & pics back on April 6.

PA-5 Train @ WTC Station : WTC-Newark

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PA-5 PATH : WTC - Hoboken

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For some odd reason i never posted them here.:ohno:

~Corey

It isn't any different than any of the other path subway stations

It isn't any different than any of the other path subway stations

Yes it is , its the only one that isn't AC , or historic looking. & has no general design. At the Moment. Ive been on the Entire PATH system at least 15x.

By Morrongiello, 4-27-10.

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great shot, steel now height of first setback on barclayvessey buldg which is apprx 80m or 260ft./lev25

HAH,last time I visited this thread the building was a ground level.

great shot, steel now height of first setback on barclayvessey buldg which is apprx 80m or 260ft./lev25

In the NW corner those horizontal beams are the floor of the 26th floor. Or 266ft 8". Add about 5ft for the splice and it's about 271-2 ft high overall.

I like that they are installing the perimeter columns ahead of the core steel and scaffolding on these floors. We get to see the outline of the new floors quicker.

Zen said you could drive a car on top of it so it must be it

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I said you could drive a car through it.

That's one of the smaller plate girders. We are months away from super columns, the foundations are still being dug. Have you seen the 18000 over at the transit hub lately ? They put the Max-ER kit on it and they are loading it up with counterweights, 860,000 pounds of them.

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By Morrongiello, 4-27-10.

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wow!!! :drool:
Fantastic

Sweeeet.

It's good to see some strong progress being made.

^^:):):)

great progress now...

Go NEWYORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Stand Tall against those acts of Insanity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Back around 4 months ago when it was christmas, it was only about half the height it is today. Good progress!

I said you could drive a car through it.

That's one of the smaller plate girders. We are months away from super columns, the foundations are still being dug. Have you seen the 18000 over at the transit hub lately ? They put the Max-ER kit on it and they are loading it up with counterweights, 860,000 pounds of them.




it isn't a supper column because this beam has to be placed horizontally. ( if you look closely you can see several vertical plates attached to the site, they don't have any use if the beam is placed vertically.

Its starting to look huge. I'm really happy this thing is growing fast now. We have waited years for progress like this.

max-er kit :)

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Sal Schiano wirednewyork

max-er kit :)
Sal Schiano wirednewyork
^^
Holy crap in a hat! That thing is huge! What are they going to connect it to?

Daaaamn, more pics, more pics, more pics please... :):nuts:

What we know about max-er at the moment?

I think that rebuilding WTC in original design could make a profit by tourism.

that's right :)

that's right :)Am not writing this to say the least.There should be more to that building than tourism.

^^
Holy crap in a hat! That thing is huge! What are they going to connect it to?
It holds additional weights on the back of the Manitowoc cranes, in this case the 18000 it gives the crane additional capacity and reach. The wheels basically carry the weight when the crane is unloaded so it doesn't tip over backwards!

I started a thread especially for the WTC Hub to keep this thread on topic.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1119329

Nevertheless I want those tires :eek:

Noted, bookmarked already posted there.:)

nice. :)

max-er kit :)

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Sal Schiano wirednewyork

Yo mama's so fat she uses these as roller skates....

^^:lol::lol::lol:

Can you imagine the owner of this thing walking into Pep Boys and saying...hey...I need a flat fixed, now!!

Not available to post this pic, so here's link...Taken from 7WTC...:)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/whirly_nyc/4562382581/in/photostream/

That is the only sad thing about having a fantastic view. There is always the potential of someone putting up another supertall to block your view. Dino, the view from that point in 7WTC will soon be gone...

That is the only sad thing about having a fantastic view. There is always the potential of someone putting up another supertall to block your view. Dino, the view from that point in 7WTC will soon be gone...

Yeah, but it's not that bad for 7WTC...It's worse for Verizon building, 1WTC is right in front of it...And it's so much taller..

Right now the Hilton has a fantastic view, and I was afraid after 2WTC and 3WTC were up, there would be nothing. I think it will be OK because the trans hub makes enough space to still see 1WTC, WFC and a slice of the Hudson.

Not available to post this pic, so here's link...Taken from 7WTC...:)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/whirly_nyc/4562382581/in/photostream/

there you go...

http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/6185/4562382581eea302314a.jpg

^^

The progress of this tower is great. I'd like to visit New York when the new World Trade Center is finished.

Right now the Hilton has a fantastic view, and I was afraid after 2WTC and 3WTC were up, there would be nothing. I think it will be OK because the trans hub makes enough space to still see 1WTC, WFC and a slice of the Hudson.

Yeah, 3WTC will block this side, and 4WTC and 2WTC will close it completely..But Hilton and One Liberty Plaza have nice open space on the other side so it won't be that bad...

there you go...

http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/6185/4562382581eea302314a.jpg

Thanks man...

Can't believe it how great place, and there's no webcam in this tower...

By Morrongiello, 4-27-10.

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Nice POV. I quote this picture because it is a great picture that gives us a good view about the progress. Keep on posting in the future :okay:

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wow. great update :) thanks

One more WTC scene from Higashi no Eden opening.

at 00:02 - 00:05

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One more WTC scene from Higashi no Eden opening.

at 00:02 - 00:05

1080p (click on 360p to improve quality) or click on video to open it on youtube, then select 1080p and click full screen
What year is this based in?

A picture by GreenwichBoy, WNY, 4-29-10. Looks like the corner pieces are in.

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=9400&d=1272583737

oh so beautiful

April 29th, 2010

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excellent updates! this is just amazing to watch be built.

great up date pictures., feels like im so close with project site area....

Excellents pics!!!! :drool:

What year is this based in?

2010-2011

Great job NYCD

Thanks for the update man, we really needed it...

So, they started new floors on monday, made a grat job thru the week so, I guess, they could finish outer layer today and tomorrow..With the speed of floor per week, we should see vertical beams goin' up every 2 weeks..They have next week to connect outer layer to the core...

Looks like they catchin' speed of floor per week...It should grow like a :banana: now...:)

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busy morning!!!

Amazing pictures:drool:

New york goes to a exelent new skyline

is there a wtc appreciation thread floating around here somewhere? i went there once but cant find it??

..

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busy morning!!!

And the drivers that get paid by the load HATE it !

Still, I'm glad to see so much action.

NYCD gets the "Steel Porn Photographer of the Month" award for May.

I love the last updates, very beautiful and stunning!

NYCD gets the "Steel Porn Photographer of the Month" award for May.

My work is pretty easy going when it comes to what websites it blocks, but I think as a cruel joke they block photobucket and all photobucket hosted pictures. :bleep:

So I'll just have to assume those pics are awesome until I get home.

Was it? From SSP by NYguy

Perhaps Zensteel will take up with that. I have other concerns, such as posting these pics...:)

APRIL 30, 2010

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9. Looking at this shot of the lobby reminded me of the lobby renderings...

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A few video clips to go with the pics...

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Yeah, good to see they've finally got out of the hole, when I've been visiting this thread last time they were still busy with some underground stuff... I see much more progress now. ;)

WOW great pics, its nice to see this from different angles:)

Nice pics!
PS: why its so slow???---

Nice pics!
PS: why its so slow???---Its not slow its actually pretty fast compared to how it used to be

slow start to this baby, but its full steam ahead now.

going nicely :)

there is this great fascination of this project.

rally nice!
That tower is going to be one of the beautifullest skyscrapers on the world.

Whens topping out expected????

Whens topping out expected????

2012 or 2013. I forget which.

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Haven't been checking here for a while. Good to see the tower starts to rise now. Looks like lower Manhattan starts do redevelop nicely! :cheers:

when this is finished im going to have to make a pilgrimage to see it :)

My work is pretty easy going when it comes to what websites it blocks, but I think as a cruel joke they block photobucket and all photobucket hosted pictures. :bleep:

So I'll just have to assume those pics are awesome until I get home.

Not all over again!

Great updates !!!! the new complex will be a message to the world : Yes we can fight obscurantism , :cheers:Evil and make it even better!!! cheers from Tunisia !!!

This building gets so many picture posts i cant imagine how many pictures and pages there will be when this thing is done :lol:

This will be the biggest thread in the supertall forum before long.

This will be the biggest thread in the supertall forum before long.

Not until they move the Burj Khalifa thread to the Archives, that one is 26,000+ posts and counting. This one is only 14,000. :nuts:

Ever since the grand opening of BK, this thread has been gaining on it fast. :)

^^ the BD had several threads, because threads were closed after 500 posts and than later after 1000 posts. (the good old times yeah) but why are you guys comparing threads with each other, a big thread isnt an acchievement and doesnt indicate a high quality content. Rather enjoy the built new skyscraper milestone in history and the constrution of one of the upcoming most iconic skyscrapers ever.

this one is only 1/7th the way up and there's already 14,000+, burj khalifa has nothing on this..

alright folks, I wasn't trying to start an actual thread vs. thread thing, keep it together :D

alright folks, I wasn't trying to start an actual thread vs. thread thing, keep it together :DI wasn't either its just funny because its only a quarter up

Not even. :)

this one is only 1/7th the way up and there's already 14,000+, burj khalifa has nothing on this..

really ? this thread was started Dec 11, 2006. and now has over 14,000 posts' compared that to the burj khalifa's thread that started Oct 11, 2007 with over 26,000...

On topic now. Has there been any news on the glass provider ?

Spetacular image updates.

Has there been any news on the glass provider ?DCM Solera won the bid to procure and install the glass, and they subbed the actual manufacturing to a Chinese firm. Cladding should begin later this year.

DCM Solera won the bid to procure and install the glass, and they subbed the actual manufacturing to a Chinese firm. Cladding should begin later this year.

I believe that's just for the podium glass. The office level glass is being provided by Viracon (which did 7WTC amongst many others).

Not until they move the Burj Khalifa thread to the Archives, that one is 26,000+ posts and counting. This one is only 14,000. :nuts:

Yea this thread is only half of the burj thread so far but the burj is complete. For comparison on page 709 the burj is completely topped out and just about all usable floors have been clad. This thread is at 709 pages and theres only 4 office floors complete, 20 something floors total, and no cladding at all. This is definately going to pass the burj thread no question. The burj did have a new thread made so I dont know how many were in the old one but the comparison is the two current threads that are up now.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=534013&page=709

^^ that's only because there's a load of crap post

GO OWTC ,rise up from your fallen predecessors and take your rightful place on the Manhatten skyline.

This picture reall hit me it felt inspirational, but i cant get it uploaded on here. Here is the link if someone wants to try/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/39873714@N07/4571399817/

This picture reall hit me it felt inspirational, but i cant get it uploaded on here. Here is the link if someone wants to try/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/39873714@N07/4571399817/

yes you can, here you go...

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Yea this thread is only half of the burj thread so far but the burj is complete. For comparison on page 709 the burj is completely topped out and just about all usable floors have been clad. This thread is at 709 pages and theres only 4 office floors complete, 20 something floors total, and no cladding at all. This is definately going to pass the burj thread no question. The burj did have a new thread made so I dont know how many were in the old one but the comparison is the two current threads that are up now.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=534013&page=709

The two are completely incomparable. Burj Dubai didn't just have "a new thread made", it had threads part 1 through 30 before this system was implemented where you don't close old threads when they reach a certain limit.

That said, it truly is great to see this one rising.

Great progress! This tower is really shooting up now!

One thing rubs me the wrong way, however, the interior lobby looks like it will be so cold and bland. There is too much "monochromatism" to it, there is nothing impressive or cheery about the place; I would almost dread going to work just to walk through such a dreary lobby. From the renders, at least, that is the feeling/vibe I get.

When completed, I wonder what the lobby of this building will look like?

when you really think about it and look at the fact that this is just the base it makes you think how this building is really fucking tall and massive haha i mean look at it compared to the WFC its gonna overlook them so much

^^

Yeah, won't it be the tallest tower in New York upon completion? Probably by a good 100 metres too... :)

http://www.tribecatrib.com/news/2010/may/598_site-specifics-tracking-progress-at-the-world-trade-center.html

"At the beginning of this month, it stood at 24 stories and about one-third of the concrete for the entire building had been poured. By year’s end, the Port Authority estimates, the structure will be at 55 stories and its glass-and-steel skin—the first pieces of which will arrive later this year—will have reached the 30th story."


30 floors high seems a bit optimistic too me. But would be awesome.

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Where is it supposed to be located?
Take a wild guess

I want to play jersey city lol

How many floors already constructed?

^^ oh come on you can't be serious. Just read the last 5 posts.

btw. I think the 30th floor is not that optimistic if you keep in mind that we talk about the official floors. floors 7-19 doesn't exist. hence it's not that much.

^^ oh come on you can't be serious. Just read the last 5 posts.

btw. I think the 30th floor is not that optimistic if you keep in mind that we talk about the official floors. floors 7-19 doesn't exist. hence it's not that much.

The 30th floor is still 30 floors high (about 320 feet). I remember the PA's timetable said that the podium glass wouldn't be finished until 1st or 2nd quarter of next year.

The 30th floor is still 30 floors high (about 320 feet). I remember the PA's timetable said that the podium glass wouldn't be finished until 1st or 2nd quarter of next year.

Maybe they start with the cladding in the 20th floor? I don't know. It's just an idea.

Maybe they start with the cladding in the 20th floor? I don't know. It's just an idea.

The PA's timeline specifically mentioned the "podium" glass to be finished early next year. So I don't see them starting on the 20th floor. They could skip the first couple floors at the very bottom however, that's not uncommon.

the beams up to lev26 are now 84.4m/276ft or about as high as former tallest structure in NYC-the 85m/281ft Trinity Church (1846-90)

http://www.bc.edu/bc_org/avp/cas/fnart/fa267/19th/trin_ny3.jpg

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crazy to think that Trinity was once the city's tallest! Just prior to the Chicago-NYC skyscraper craze I guess...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bagwells/4570212292/

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Back in September 2007 I visited New York and on the first night walked down to the WTC site....from the Galleria looked at the hole in the ground but noticed refections of the palm trees rising in space......imagined a building rising right there.....and your pics shows the same thing !

They dismantling the "old" crawler's platform on the east side...Looks like the tower will grow a little bit before they start with netting again...

30 floors high seems a bit optimistic too me. But would be awesome.
It could be possible if this person from skyscraper page forum is right

Great news everyone. my dad is going to be sent back to work at ground zero aka world trade center and they are going to be sending him there for 2 years. My dad said he heard it from an insider that they will start to install the pumps and plumbing system in the tower by mid to late july. also he told me that they are planning to speed up the construction by late june and they might go from the floor a week to a floor and a half per week. so lets keep our fingers crossed and hope that my dad is right.

Today..

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Great news everyone. my dad is going to be sent back to work at ground zero aka world trade center and they are going to be sending him there for 2 years. My dad said he heard it from an insider that they will start to install the pumps and plumbing system in the tower by mid to late july. also he told me that they are planning to speed up the construction by late june and they might go from the floor a week to a floor and a half per week. so lets keep our fingers crossed and hope that my dad is right.

From? It now is floor per two weeks. They first have to reach normal speed.

Doesn't seem a whole lot fast progress happening at this place.

Great news everyone. my dad is going to be sent back to work at ground zero aka world trade center and they are going to be sending him there for 2 years. My dad said he heard it from an insider that they will start to install the pumps and plumbing system in the tower by mid to late july. also he told me that they are planning to speed up the construction by late june and they might go from the floor a week to a floor and a half per week. so lets keep our fingers crossed and hope that my dad is right.

I also think that they do about one floor per two weeks at the moment. Maybe he meant that they speed up to one floor per one and a half weeks.

30 pages ago or so it was said that a third crane is expected on the north side, but nobody knew when it will arrive. This quotation from scyscraperpage could be an indicator for a third crane arriving in june. They definitely have to speed up. With the current speed they won't make it to the estimated 55th floor by the end year.

Zen said a while back the he expected the steel to start out slow then speed up after a few months. I don't think the 55th floor estimate is that far-fetched.

Is it just me or does it seem like the Freedom Tower is a lot smaller than either one of the twin towers?

I didn't say it's far-fetched. I just said it's not possible with the current speed and I expect it to speed up in the next months.

Is it just me or does it seem like the Freedom Tower is a lot smaller than either one of the twin towers?

:lol: It may be because the Freedom Tower is still under construction?

I think its going up faster, which is great, nice updates !

I also think that they do about one floor per two weeks at the moment. Maybe he meant that they speed up to one floor per one and a half weeks.

30 pages ago or so it was said that a third crane is expected on the north side, but nobody knew when it will arrive. This quotation from scyscraperpage could be an indicator for a third crane arriving in june. They definitely have to speed up. With the current speed they won't make it to the estimated 55th floor by the end year.

Here's a rough schedule I think is achievable. If they average about 4 floors a month, they should be just fine.

Start of 27/28th floor: 5/15
29/30th: 5/30
31/32nd: 6/15
33/34th: 6/30
35/36th: 7/15
37/38th: 7/30
39/40th: 8/15
41/42nd: 8/30
43/44th: 9/15
45/46th: 9/30
47/48th: 10/15
49/50th: 10/30
51/52nd: 11/15
53/54th: 11/30
55/56th: 12/15
57/58th: 12/30

1 floor one week is a challenging task. But I have even seen buildings completed faster than that. So it is achievable.

My post was behind but tower one is smaller then the former wtc but the height will be about the same

Tower One is about 7 feet smaller than the Twin Towers, in overall dimensions. (212 feet square vs 205 feet square) The hight well be the same, minus the spire.

This puppy is scheduled to top out next year, 4th quarter (16 months from now), and that is very doable from what I have seen so far.

Is it just me or does it seem like the Freedom Tower is a lot smaller than either one of the twin towers?

Pictures don't convey the right impressions of the site. I had similar feelings until I was on the site last week. This will be a massive building.

looking at Cul's diagram, I don't see a restaurant. Wasn't there supposed to be one ?

there no doubt its huge. But the former WTC were massive. Tower one was 6 feet taller then tower two and you could tell. Just like you can tell this a few feet smaller.

Here's a rough schedule I think is achievable. If they average about 4 floors a month, they should be just fine.

Start of 27/28th floor: 5/15
29/30th: 5/30
31/32nd: 6/15
33/34th: 6/30
35/36th: 7/15
37/38th: 7/30
39/40th: 8/15
41/42nd: 8/30
43/44th: 9/15
45/46th: 9/30
47/48th: 10/15
49/50th: 10/30
51/52nd: 11/15
53/54th: 11/30
55/56th: 12/15
57/58th: 12/30

I love this building and the whole project but i think 4 floors a month is a little optomistic.

Is it just me or does it seem like the Freedom Tower is a lot smaller than either one of the twin towers?

Footprint is smaller
Floor count is lesser
Office space is less
Roof is lower

only the spire is taller.

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Negative Nancy

I like this tower and do not care about the numbers. It's a symbol, not a statistic.

This will look great on the New York skyline.

God Bless all the iron men and everybody else involved in the building of this amazing tower..

In Dubai they can build a floor every three days

In Dubai they can build a floor every three days with indentured servants and different safety standards

There, I fixed your post.

Well done Mr. Diagram !!! Regards !

Updates are cool, too.

In Dubai they can build a floor every three daysNew york is a massive city on an island covered with cars and skyscrapers Dubai is a desert and its workers are payed cheap

In Dubai they can build a floor every three days

those building will last for 75 years not 250

New york is a massive city on an island covered with cars and skyscrapers Dubai is a desert and its workers are payed cheap

Not to poke holes into what your saying but not all of NYC is a island. Manhattan is only a small part of NYC. Staton Island is pretty much the country and long island is pretty big. And the Bronx is a part of the main land state.

those building will last for 75 years not 250

And will only be partially occupied for those 75 years...

Does anyone know what's going on inbetween the two memorial fountains? It looks like they could be installing beds for the trees, but I might be mistaken. :)

Not to poke holes into what your saying but not all of NYC is a island. Manhattan is only a small part of NYC. Staton Island is pretty much the country and long island is pretty big. And the Bronx is a part of the main land state.Yea i meant the part of Manhattan where the wtc is being built its an island sort of :tongue3:

Rise to the Top has a point, Nobody except the tenants that had already bought space in the FT wants to work in it. The TTII in NJ will attract every company in the world

^^ IF BUILT *cough*

It will, It was delayed in it will be in NJ

Does anyone know what's going on inbetween the two memorial fountains? It looks like they could be installing beds for the trees, but I might be mistaken. :)

You're correct. Keep in my there's something like 6+ feet of dirt to go over the concrete that exists right now. We could see trees by the end of summer.

It will, It was delayed in it will be in NJ

It's astonishing that people actually believe they will rebuild the twin towers in New Jersey. Seriously, it blows my mind how stupid TTII fanboys are.

They twin towers are just buildings, One World Trade Center is just a building too, they can be built just about anywhere.

Anything is possible

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Is it just me or does it seem like the Freedom Tower is a lot smaller than either one of the twin towers?

freedom towers floorplate is 61m x 61m .i think former WTC towers were 63mx63m?

Anything is possible

Duh. The thing you're missing, however, is that TTII are NOT planned to be built anywhere at the moment.

They twin towers are just buildings, One World Trade Center is just a building too, they can be built just about anywhere.


Yea sure they can be built... all they lack is billions and billions of dollars... oh wait... just kidding :nuts:

Think of other forumers people, you are not the only one on this forum. Keep it civil and on topic.

This rendering is so beautiful:

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/6420/photooah.jpg (http://img21.imageshack.us/i/photooah.jpg/)

I will cry if WTC 2 isn't built.

start cry then cus you got a long time coming and Silverstein isn't young.

This rendering is so beautiful:

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/6420/photooah.jpg (http://img21.imageshack.us/i/photooah.jpg/)

I will cry if WTC 2 isn't built.

me too. this damn recession. the city needs these supertalls built.

They'll get built, and this decade probably. Don't worry your pretty little heads about it. :)

I think it is about the same size....or am I not seeing well?

By GreenwichBoy, WNY, 5-7-10. Tower cranes have jumped.

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=9437&d=1273284186

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=9436&d=1273284178

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=9435&d=1273284172

Thinking.... how many skylobbys are in One World Trade Center? Old one had two of them.

I think it is about the same size....or am I not seeing well?That's the one thing i don't like about 200 Greenwich i think one world trade center should have been taller or 200 at least a bit shorter to give 1wtc some air

Good shots, its time to add new slabs.

Google earth has updated the progress on one world trade and has introduced the construction of four world trade center on there!

some image updates


http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/9692/4589624737b7062c0aa8.jpg

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sabine_g/4587621355/
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/1849/45876213553baa696ce1.jpg

Not to poke holes into what your saying but not all of NYC is a island. Manhattan is only a small part of NYC. Staton Island is pretty much the country and long island is pretty big. And the Bronx is a part of the main land state.

Don't forget liberty Island, governors island, and Ellis and Rikers.:)

those building will last for 75 years not 250

True.

Look at how over built the new WTC simply is. Asian building are made from reinforced concrete and are not subject to the sharpest and strictest building codes in the the world.

True.

Look at how over built the new WTC simply is. Asian building are made from reinforced concrete and are not subject to the sharpest and strictest building codes in the the world.

well then they will have to do it over again sometime in the future. i hate to think of the possibility of it, but if there is ever an attack on WTC 1 i think it will survive it

I accept the New WTC is being built and when complete will be a magnificent complex with the towers and memorials etc.....but with so many cities around the world having supertalls many modern skylines are pretty generic. The Twin Towers sure said New York Internationally...no where else ! Distant views showed how dominant the Twin Towers were......truly iconic! Time will tell for the new WTC......that's all it takes...just time !

Was it? (from SSP)

http://images.nymag.com/images/2/homedesign/10/05/ny-panoramic-900.jpg