Cladding should start soon enough, but I prefer them taking their time, since too many times has the cladding on buildings UC been damaged because of bad timing (and poor safety measures).

For the OT comments, so we can put an ending to it (at least temporary):



1) Keep away from politics, especially when you have no idea what you are talking about.

2) The cell phone you own (assuming you are old enough to own one) has probably greater computational power than what was used when the old WTC towers were engineered. Estimation was the main path to follow, there were no supercomputers that could do simulations for that kind of scenario (or almost any kind really, given how rudimental they were). So again, keep away from things you know nothing about.



Probably the most OT I've seen on this page so far (and there is fierce competition):





hmmm...shanghai tower retribution, :-) I'm sorry for being a jerk, I'll end it there.


Can't wait for the cladding to appear, should be stunning.

No, i do not feel it rise, the rumbling and whatnot of the construction is too far across the river........ i do SEE it rise, since my girlfriend lives in hudson county i go to exchange place a lot, and you can see pretty much all of manhattan from the pier there, and the pier the nearby hotel sits on. You people with your one track minds.....

- A

Looks like an older model Favco STD 1500, like the first crane that came down from the building at 42nd and 10th ave a few months back.

I think you might be right, I wasn't sure if it was a current model or an older model.

If it is an STD 1500 just double the figures for max load from the ones I posted for the TD133.

Why is the new crane so low? What will it be used for?

It will not stay at it's current elevation for long, it's for the concrete contractor.

August 29 update.

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa155/jwalas/Construction/DSCN5703.jpg

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new crane..??

Questions: What is the purpose of the new crane? is it simply to bring supplies up to the already constructed floors? If so, will this move all the way up the tower with its construction? Also, if this method is better than using the existing cranes on top or elevators why don't we commonly see it on other buildings?

Pics from when I was there last week.

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_BmX9GWeh-Yo/THsrUXrZu9I/AAAAAAAAAVA/G_CTkCl8s1o/s800/IMG_1353.JPG

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they are taking a long time; in dubai the tallest tower in the world was finished in 5 years and it is more or less the double of the freedom tower that even after 9 years doesn´t look like a big advance. There you have, how the syndicates can ruin a city or a country. Before all dose labor unions the USA had the best working people in the world, now finding something made in the USA is almost impossible, and if you don´t believe me look at GM (government Motors) almost went bankrupt all because of the labor unions and the goverment is ruining GM, Chrysler and the free market, Ford is a company that represents america a capitalist country, the light in the end of the hallway, the american dream but now is more like the ¨ Chinese dream"

Yet another brainwashed Republican retard...

Yet another brainwashed Republican retard...

and the political bashing continues....cmon guys lets leave politics out of SSC

Keep politics out of this..!

You guys can fight over all the girls and girlfriends and women you want, that construction worker in jwalas' picture, third down, with his face showin, is all mine. :cheers::lol:

Anyway love the picture at night, I have to get down there again at night to take some pictures of my own. :D

Of course! Image updates really count as long as they are meaningful or rather new.

Ok sweet! I will upload them asap!:)

Wow, many floors since i was last up here!

- A

wow this building is ridiculous, terrible design, a wasteful pile of american crap! :bash:
:ohno:
just kidding

A Nissan built in a Chinese plant takes only 18 minutes to complete , and the quality shows it.

A Ferrari built by hand takes one week and the quality simply shows.


The burj Dubai / khalif w/e, is pourd concrete and I doubt it will still be there in 120 years.

The wtc1 is a metalogical wonder that will be around for 100s of years.

Yes, I agree completely with what you say about a chinese built car.

But beware of what you say of the Burj dubai. Nobody knows what building will be around in a 100 years. I get the point you're getting to. The burj Dubai was built in 5 years, well, that's their business. I myself am pleased with the time taken in consideration for the WTC site. But stating that the Burj Dubai apparently is not going to last because it's made out of poured concrete it's just nonsense!
Here in Chile, 99 percent of our large and tall building are made out of poured concrete, while there are only very few examples of steel buildings. Why? because of earthquakes. Our first real skyscraper (Titanium Tower, 192 mts.) stood up in a 8.8 magnitude earthquake just fine because it's a poured concrete marvel. Every material and technique has their pro's and con's, but it doesn't mean one is far superior than the other one. I study architechture here, and studied for a year overseas too, and in both places I was taught that poured concrete (with steel grid inside of course) was one of the greatest and most durable techniques. It stands fires, earthquakes, time, erosion, etc extremely well when done right. Still, New York is New york, they dont have earthquakes (neither does Dubai) so steel framing is the way to go. Fine by them!
My point is, both Burj Dubai and One World Trade Center are technological marvels of their own. And it's got nothing to do with how long it took to build them. I could start talking about labour issues which are more important in the subject matter, but hell no, I won't go into that.


Cheerios.

PS: gosh, One World Trade center is looking greater everyday!

Pics from when I was there last week.

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_BmX9GWeh-Yo/THsrUXrZu9I/AAAAAAAAAVA/G_CTkCl8s1o/s800/IMG_1353.JPG

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Great pics, its really coming along :)

Questions: What is the purpose of the new crane? is it simply to bring supplies up to the already constructed floors? If so, will this move all the way up the tower with its construction? Also, if this method is better than using the existing cranes on top or elevators why don't we commonly see it on other buildings?

It's going to climb up the side on that frame it's sitting on.. I've seen this with cranes in China.. That's about 500 tonne of crane and frame.

It's going to climb up the side on that frame it's sitting on.. I've seen this with cranes in China.. That's about 500 tonne of crane and frame.

500!? The crane its self is at most 100 tons with a load

OLD WTC =


Each Tower: •Had 110 floors
•208 ft by 208 ft at base
•Weighed 500,000 tons
•1,368 ft high (north tower)
•1,362 ft high (south tower)

Built: 1966-1970





NEW One WTC =

Stories: 82
Maximum Height: 1,776 feet / 541 meters
Maximum width: 200
Maximum length: 200


Built: 2006-2018
Cost: $2,000,000,000
Designed by: Skidmore, Owings & Merrill

Is the footprint of this building slightly smaller than the former twin towers?

Is the footprint of this building slightly smaller than the former twin towers?


Yes, but the difference is hardly noticeable. Actually, I think the new WTC's footprint is closer to 203' by 203'.

are the footprints of the original twin towers aligned in the same orientation? in some of the pics of the memorial pools it looks as if the north tower is slightly rotated in the southerly direction. could be my eyes playing a trick.

good progess

There are trees in the memorial area!

The working is going faster than I thought at this moment. Meanwhile, am curious to know what kind of cranes is that red one with many sections?

http://i33.tinypic.com/11j0is4.jpg http://i36.tinypic.com/2cdgzkm.jpg

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http://i33.tinypic.com/2hnmi9t.jpg http://i37.tinypic.com/2lad6j8.jpg

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It's going to climb up the side on that frame it's sitting on.. I've seen this with cranes in China.. That's about 500 tonne of crane and frame.

The Manitowoc 18000 with Max-ER kit doesn't even weigh 500 tonnes !

At most the crane and climbing frame with a full load on the crane is about 75tons. (Short tons not Metric tonnes.)

Is the footprint of this building slightly smaller than the former twin towers?

Everyone keeps quoting the column centers for both the old and the new. The overall outside dimension of the Twins was a little less than 210', Tower one is going to be 205'. So yes, Tower One is slightly smaller in overall footprint.

are the footprints of the original twin towers aligned in the same orientation? in some of the pics of the memorial pools it looks as if the north tower is slightly rotated in the southerly direction. could be my eyes playing a trick.

The pools of the memorial actually sit inside the foundations of the Twins, there orientation is exact.

A new quarterly report (2Q2010) (http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/pdf/2Q2010_Report.pdf) was just released on wtcprogress.com.

Most interesting I've found so far is that the steel contractor has managed a workaround so that steel erection can now move 10 floors ahead of the concrete instead of the 8 floors ahead we've had so far.

The third quarter milestones for 1WTC are:

Start Curtain Wall Installation:
This represents the start of activities to support the placement of curtain wall
above the 20th story level of 1WTC. Beginning activity will include the
installation of hangers on the 1WTC structural steel and be follow by the
placement of the curtain wall panels themselves. The curtain wall will enclose the
building and trail the Cocoon system as it rises with the erection of the Structural
steel.

Steel Erection to the 36th floor:
This Represents the structural steel framing which makes up the building’s
“Skeleton.”

Concrete core to the 28th floor:
This Represents the Interior Concrete Core, which provides the structural
stability, or the building’s “spine,” of the building as it rises.

Metal Decking to 33rd Floor:
This represents the metal decking on the 33rd floor slab, which is approximately
670 feet above street level

^^I thought the erection steel columns looked thicker !

Epic photos Parisian Girl - a reminder of the tower in the context of it's surroundings once finished -

http://www.londonandnyc.com/2010/08/new-yorks-future-cityscape.html

Yes, thank you Parisian Girl for those great pics and what looks to be a good news source beyond the control of US corporations. (Sorry about the politics!)

Yes, thank you Parisian Girl for those great pics and what looks to be a good news source beyond the control of US corporations. (Sorry about the politics!)

In the bottom picture on the right, what's that blue truck doing - pumping concrete into something for the memorial?

Yes, that is a cement pump. Off the top of my head I would guess it's pumping cement for one of the super column foundations.

great up date picture...

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http://i36.tinypic.com/1r9sa8.jpg http://i34.tinypic.com/3310i3a.jpg

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Nice progress and awesome picture. Thanks for sharing..

Epic photos Parisian Girl - a reminder of the tower in the context of it's surroundings once finished -

http://www.londonandnyc.com/2010/08/new-yorks-future-cityscape.html

Im not actually sure if I like it...

Im not actually sure if I like it...

Couldn't disagree more. Despite the delays and the controversy, the WTC Memorial is going to be a staggering achievement when it is finished. It will become one of the worlds true must visit places.

This building is better than the old WTC Tower though I miss that building a lot.:cheers1:

Is there anything left at ground zero from the original construction? Any parking structures or things like that?

5wtc aka deutschebank building aka the black building on liberty street. it was damaged in the attacks and is being tken down as we speak but there is still some of it left.

Please do not quote ten pictures just to say "nice progress" and "thank you"!! That's distracting!!

Please do not quote ten pictures just to say "nice progress" and "thank you"!! That's distracting!!

I was just about to say this too..:)

Anyway, update by kmf164 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kmf164/) August 30th..

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4100/4942996547_138a525075_b.jpg

Can't wait for the cladding but I guess it's too soon yet...

Can't wait for the cladding but I guess it's too soon yet...Why do you think it's too soon? Let me put it this way, "let them cover the skeleton with some pretty flesh" so that the beauty of this building can be clearly seen.

Definitely not too soon but wishing the cladding on ain't gunna get it built any sooner;)

Must be over 120 meters high now, nice updates !

I was just about to say this too..:)

Anyway, update by kmf164 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kmf164/) August 30th..

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4100/4942996547_138a525075_b.jpg

its about 30 floor if im not mistaken

its about 30 floor if im not mistaken

36 :)

Can't wait for the cladding but I guess it's too soon yet...

Cladding coming next month..:)

So exactly in what year will the ENTIRE New WTC Complex be done????? I mean the Freedom Tower i know its in 2013, but what about the other buildings, i know that the New 2WTC and 3WTC will be done last i think, and how about the Performing Arts Center and WTC Transportation Hub????? When will all 7 buildings be done!?!?!?!!?!? When will the whole complex look like this:

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/8759/dsc01550e.jpg

Or if the New 5WTC is built...........

http://a.imageshack.us/img293/5045/dsc01719x.jpg

.........but the question is when will it be finished, when will ALL 8 buildings will be finished?!?!?!?!?!

P.S. The photos of the models above were made by me.

So exactly in what year will the New WTC Complex be done????? I mean the Freedom Tower i know its in 2013, but what about the other buildings, i know that the New 2WTC and 3WTC will be done last i think, and how about the Performing Arts Center and WTC Transportation Hub????? When will all 7 buildings be done!?!?!?!!?!? When will the whole complex look like this:
.........but the question is when will it be finished, when will ALL 8 buildings will be finished?!?!?!?!?!

P.S. The photos of the models above were made by me.


When you'll have little kids of yours jumpin' around you..:)

When you'll have little kids of yours jumpin' around you..:)
okay???????

when will ALL 8 buildings will be finished?!

Oh yeah, I also just wonder about it. I know there's a long way to go and the countdown might be very long, but anyway - maybe it'll take many years, but it's worth waiting.

What I'm talking about is like that - see http://www.rio2016.com/en/Default.aspx : well, 2165 days to go... It is a long journey - OK but at least we know EXACTLY how much is to go.

So the same about the ENTIRE site - I'd really like to know when it's 100% complete.

Sincerely yours,

Pavel Rezvushkin

Yep! It is worth waiting. But you know i was wondering that. ^^

Yep! It is worth waiting. But you know i was wondering that. ^^

I can't express how I understand your curiosity! So have you got some insight about the Big Day?

Sincerely yours,

Pavel Rezvushkin

I can't express how I understand your curiosity! So have you got some insight about the Big Day?

Sincerely yours,

Pavel Rezvushkin
Insight.........yeah!

Insight.........yeah!

May I ask you to share? :) Even the insight is good, but if you actually KNOW that - it is just invaluable.

Sincerely yours,

Pavel Rezvushkin

May I ask you to share? :) Even the insight is good, but if you actually KNOW that - it is just invaluable.

Sincerely yours,

Pavel Rezvushkin
Yeah..........

You see guys what makes me mad - all these disputes about the money etc. I know no one wants to waste money but - see - it is the ICON. It goes to generations, so in my opinion it is worth any money. Besides, let's say - how much money was wasted in Iraq in recent years? Dozens of WTC sites could be built for that...

Sincerely yours,

Pavel Rezvushkin

Soon probably the first glass pannels should be there (cladding)... or its early yet?

^^ October.

That RGZ cam has some serious problems...

http://media.northjersey.com/images/0901A_WTCplan.jpg
http://media.northjersey.com/images/0901A_WTCplan.jpg

I wasn't really keen on the new WTC area as I was a supporter of rebuilding the twins, but it really is looking superb so far. Cannot wait until it is completed!

nice progress, can wait to see n look when the project will complete...

I'm betting that the new building will be a lot like the Eiffel tower when it's completed. Met with lots of skepticism at first, and perhaps some disappointment. But over time, it will really grow on people, until it becomes THE iconic structure of the city.

I'm betting that the new building will be a lot like the Eiffel tower when it's completed. Met with lots of skepticism at first, and perhaps some disappointment. But over time, it will really grow on people, until it becomes THE iconic structure of the city.

Hope so!

Hey the Port Authority's live webcam of the Freedom Tower looks like its been raised up! So now we can continue to view the progress. Yeah!

http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/live-camera.html

Thank you, DinoVabec!

Well, guys - seems like things are not too bad. 7 WTC is up and running, two towers and the memorial will surely be completed. Another two towers... well, I'm sure they will also be completed. Yes, with fundraising problems and maybe even scandals; yes, with moans and groans, but I'm sure so. So these four will form the core of the iconic site - and who would dare then to refuse from finishing it when only performing arts center and transportation hub are left?!

I hope that 5 WTC will also be built but, being honest, I hate the current design.

And one more important thing. I'm just happy that up to this date the common sense had always played its role and this fantastic project has always been escaping from all the dangers and hazards - sometimes in the last second. Let's look back just at the "decision" to make 2 WTC and 3 WTC "stump" buildings! Not quite the thing to do, huh? But it was a serious decision, and I can recall many like that one.

And it is awesome that there are people who resist these "projects". They might seem foolhardy at the time, but they DO resist. And I'm sure they understand that our children wouldn't forgive us if we don't rebuild this world wonder as it should be rebuilt only because of our meaningless fussing and fighting and nasty petty intrigues.

So keep going, the World Trade Center complex! It's a long road, but walk and ye shall reach!

Sincerely yours,

Pavel Rezvushkin

is this ok?
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http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4103/4949979727_048ec1a7a1_o.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4103/4949979727_521b5bf057_b.jpg

is this ok?

It is not ok, it is awesome! Thanks a lot!

Sincerely yours,

Pavel Rezvushkin

Looks great, Cul. :)

I'm betting that the new building will be a lot like the Eiffel tower when it's completed. Met with lots of skepticism at first, and perhaps some disappointment. But over time, it will really grow on people, until it becomes THE iconic structure of the city. That's what happened to the original WTC Towers.

Derek2k3, WNY, September 1st..

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4088/4950628026_29e8397898_b.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4113/4950628030_6d428a618f_b.jpg

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http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4109/4950628038_d5d63ddef5_b.jpg

That's what happened to the original WTC Towers.

exacly! :)

Will NYC ever allow a building taller than 1776 feet??

Will NYC ever allow a building taller than 1776 feet??

I also frequently think about it and SO hope so!

Sincerely yours,

Pavel Rezvushkin

Will NYC ever allow a building taller than 1776 feet??

It depends on the definition of "ever" in your case.

in the next decades -> no
from now till the end of the universe -> yes

It depends on the definition of "ever" in your case.

in the next decades -> no
from now till the end of the universe -> yes

I still hope that it true regarding the decade, not decades...

Sincerely yours,

Pavel Rezvushkin

Meh, height isn't everything any longer - I mean look at Dubai, building ridiculously tall which kind of sends out the message "look at me, I'm here" without having the business talent and culture to back it up - cities around the world are collecting skyscrapers like third world countries collect fleets of Mercedes for status and I think skyscraper trends have advanced beyond just building the tallest - I was watching the video on retro fitting the Empire State Building for sustainability and also reading about the environmentally friendly construction of the Bank of America building. Now that's far more pallatable for modern building design than wishing a city's buildings taller - the equivalent, as someone on these forums once said, of a bunch of sad middle aged men waving their willies around to see whose is the biggest.

Be aware that the 1776 ft is including the spire.
So even if the city doesn't allow building taller than 1776 ft, they can build buildings that are higher/ look higher than WTC1 (if you don't include the spire)

Be aware that the 1776 ft is including the spire.
So even if the city doesn't allow building taller than 1776 ft, they can build buildings that are higher/ look higher than WTC1 (if you don't include the spire)

Yes, but it means that we still can only dream about something like, say, the Shanghai Tower in the NYC (I mean the height).

Sincerely yours,

Pavel Rezvushkin

It would look much better if there would be two freedom towers
You mean like this:

http://www.twintowersalliance.com/twin_freedom_towers600.jpg

It would look much better if there would be two freedom towers

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/c3e1dc77ab.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)

It would look much better if there would be two freedom towers
You mean like this:

http://www.twintowersalliance.com/twin_freedom_towers600.jpg

It would be blasphemy to build that on hollow ground of the old WTC site. You should be ashamed of yourselves. WTC 2 is all most the same height of the WTC 1 at the roof. Besides, NYC has built too many twin towers in the past decade.

Nice, double post.

GreenwichBoy, September 2nd..WNY..

Looks like they finally fixed that beam on the base...

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=10665&d=1283429512

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=10664&d=1283429492

It would be blasphemy to build that on hollow ground of the old WTC site. You should be ashamed of yourselves. WTC 2 is all most the same height of the WTC 1 at the roof. Besides, NYC has built too many twin towers in the past decade.

Nice, double post.
You're right....like Times Warner Center, Silver Towers, World Trade Center Twin Towers.

I am amazed. Only few weeks of no looking at this thread beacuse of holidays and there's such a big progress that I can't believe it! Nice pictures.

You mean like this:

http://www.twintowersalliance.com/twin_freedom_towers600.jpg

is there space for that so maybe a possibility in future?

Yes, but it means that we still can only dream about something like, say, the Shanghai Tower in the NYC (I mean the height).

Sincerely yours,

Pavel Rezvushkin

Why in the world is everyone making such a big deal about height in the NYC skyline? :bash::bash:

NYC has plenty of height.

is there space for that so maybe a possibility in future?

No..It won't happen...Ever...

Personally, I like the current concept, because having the one tower at a similar scale to the original twins, but without its own twin, is a powerful architectural symbol all on its own.

It will remind people of the loss of the originals, because it looks and feels like something is missing from the skyline, forever.

This effect will be lessened when towers 2 and 3 are also built, but people will always remember the twin towers, and know that they're not coming back.

The voids of the memorial will only manifest this effect to the observer who actually visits them, but the decision not to rebuild the skyline as it was before will write the memory and loss of those people who died on 9/11 right into the very urban fabric of the city itself, for all the world to see.

It is certainly sad, and solemn, but I now think that building new twins would be a little bit like pretending we can bring back the people, too. I think we'd be doing the victims a disservice if we didn't make the place they died a better place than ever before, and then go on with our own lives, while remembering them. I think that when the current plan is fully realized, it will represent one of the best places in New York.

Upward!

is there space for that so maybe a possibility in future?
I don't think so. After the attacks they had planned to rebuilt the Twin Towers again. That picsture is just someone edit it and made it look like 2 Freedom Towers, but i dont think that they wanted to plan to make 2 Freedom Towers so i guess thats a no to your question. Plus no space, i mean you have the Performing Arts Center next to it and 7WTC behind it, the memorials in front of it and the WFC on the other side.

Wowwww!
It´s growing up fast! :O

Personally, I like the current concept, because having the one tower at a similar scale to the original twins, but without its own twin, is a powerful architectural symbol all on its own.

It will remind people of the loss of the originals, because it looks and feels like something is missing from the skyline, forever.

This effect will be lessened when towers 2 and 3 are also built, but people will always remember the twin towers, and know that they're not coming back.

The voids of the memorial will only manifest this effect to the observer who actually visits them, but the decision not to rebuild the skyline as it was before will write the memory and loss of those people who died on 9/11 right into the very urban fabric of the city itself, for all the world to see.

It is certainly sad, and solemn, but I now think that building new twins would be a little bit like pretending we can bring back the people, too. I think we'd be doing the victims a disservice if we didn't make the place they died a better place than ever before, and then go on with our own lives, while remembering them. I think that when the current plan is fully realized, it will represent one of the best places in New York.

Upward!

Great words...

I felt sympathy to u guys who lost the twins on that day. It is true that Deutsche Bank Building site can place 3WTC instead of Tower 5 but u can't sometimes count on yourselves and occupie the 2nd Freedom Tower on that space. Sorry to say, it will not happen. May the towers rest in peace.

Derek2k3, WNY, September 1st..

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I like this shot, it shows it really is becoming a part of the skyline :)

New crane jump, metal deckin' still in process...:)

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what about the blue structure in the south between 20th and 23rd floor?
a working platform?

Oh dang, it's the 2-3 days a month that the RGZ cam works and I probably missed it all.

Cranes have jumped, lets continue!

it only been a week since I've been down there and already grown so much.

Will they tear down the temporary path station to make way for the performance center or will they somehow incorporate it into the new structure ?

Will they tear down the temporary path station to make way for the performance center or will they somehow incorporate it into the new structure ?

it's temporary...

it's temporary...

:nuts: LOL
Temporary = Not permanent

^^ this needs a caption, LOL

temporary station, is temporary LOL!!!!!!

Safe to say that there will be new steel either tomorrow or on Tuesday.

I like this shot, it shows it really is becoming a part of the skyline :)



yeah, totally agree with you!

what about the blue structure in the south between 20th and 23rd floor?
a working platform?

I'd say it's platform for material...Cranes put material up on it and workers take it inside..:)

yepole, WNY, August 28th...

They replaced that cracked unwelded beam..:)

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:nuts: LOL
Temporary = Not permanent

^^ this needs a caption, LOL

temporary station, is temporary LOL!!!!!!

I think he was just being sarcastic..He was sayin' that because the guy who asked the question was allready said it's temporary and the asked if it will be removed...:)

In the shot showing the beam replacement, it looks like the steel has weathered some since it went up...not shiny bright red like it once was.^^

In the shot showing the beam replacement, it looks like the steel has weathered some since it went up...not shiny bright red like it once was.^^Bleached by the sun.

Just out of curiosity, what was with that faulty piece they were replacing? I never saw the story behind it.

The beams are not bleached by the sun. They're covered with dust. That's all. Just look at the safety netting a few floors above.
It's a construction site. Don't expect a housekeeper to clean up every day.


P.S. DinoVabec got it.

You can see the cranes looking down 6th Ave in the Village now. Shouldn't be too long before you can see steel over the top of the Barclay-Vesey, also =]

Bleached by the sun.

And welding. Every connection was welded on the base. I will not say that it is indestructible, but I'm fairly certain that this is the strongest skyscraper ever built. I also suspect that the bump-out in the core that Zen does not want to talk about is either an air vent to remove smoke or a refuge area - possibly with an elevator.

Just out of curiosity, what was with that faulty piece they were replacing? I never saw the story behind it.

Either left the way it was so that they could lift it to install equipment in the mechanical floors or a simple foul-up. Either way, it is over and done with.

E: my apologies for a double post.

what about the blue structure in the south between 20th and 23rd floor?
a working platform?

That's another crane deck, for bringing in material or equipment lifted by a crane.

Just out of curiosity, what was with that faulty piece they were replacing? I never saw the story behind it.


It was just an "OHSHIT!!", either the tube was too short or, probably, too long. They fixed it, moving right along now. (The technical term for it is a "girt") it's just there to support the cladding. (It's an 18"x12"x 5/8" rectangular tube.)

And welding. Every connection was welded on the base. I will not say that it is indestructible, but I'm fairly certain that this is the strongest skyscraper ever built. I also suspect that the bump-out in the core that Zen does not want to talk about is either an air vent to remove smoke or a refuge area - possibly with an elevator.

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Actually, it's none of the things you guessed, I just don't want to say what it's for. It's nothing super top secret, like the **** or the *****.

:ohno: spamer ^^

Just caught a glimpse of the EarthCam at an unusual angle.

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Thanks. wanted to post is as well, but you where faster.

Thanks. wanted to post is as well, but you where faster.

Damn..I'm watchin' this damn thing all day tryin' to catch this moment, and then I miss it..:ohno:

woww i love this, that tower is going very fast!! im waiting when that tower finish

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Actually, it's none of the things you guessed, I just don't want to say what it's for. It's nothing super top secret, like the **** or the *****.

I recently saw a floor plan for the building posted on one of the popular websites, and it had detail of the core - bathrooms, the bump-out, etc. Of course, I didn't save it and now I can't find it anywhere. It may have been in one of the recent news reports.

If I remember right, it said the bump out was either the fan room or an area for an emergency generator. I'm going to drive myself nuts trying to find that plan online.

Heck, maybe it was one you posted and then deleted soon after.

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I'm very passionate to see the construction completed before the deadline. Does anybody have a detailed video of the renderings?

what level is this on now?

what level is this on now?

Steel at 36th, core scaffolding at 38th, tomorrow, steel at 38th..

:ohno: spamer ^^

Probably....most every one of them chooses banned under their name cause they know they're done after a post or two.

Steel at 36th, core scaffolding at 38th, tomorrow, steel at 38th..

Tomorrow is a federal holiday. I doubt we'll see any new steel.

Awhile back, someone posted a photoshop of what OWTC would look like at 38 floors. Turned out to be pretty accurate.

Someone new york willing to take pictures of this beautiful construction every week from January 2011 to a website I'm building.
In contrast, and depending on the profits of the site gets a share of advertising.
The photos must have excellent qualities and resolutions up to 1000px.
Anyone? :)

The should have built it taller; perhaps the roof toping out at 1776 feet with a spire taking it to 2100 feet to represent the 21st century.



Also...They should have built the upper floors as strong as the base and incased all the beams in reinforced concrete. And they should have used in sturdier and thicker beams. This thing should have been built to the last the age of all ages!!!

^^ You should watch Life After People sometime. Amazingly, older buildings last longer than newer ones.

Also, just looking at the tags, when did "kill all americans" show up?

That tags thing needs to be locked. By the way, since when did all americans do anything, someone against sports???

- A

yeah, looks like some islamists hacked the thread lol ... ("allah akbar" is in the tags...).

A lot of threads in the supertalls section are flooded with troll tags. Personally, I think the tags section should be disabled altogether, I don't see any use for it. Has anyone here ever used the tags for anything?

A lot of threads in the supertalls section are flooded with troll tags. Personally, I think the tags section should be disabled altogether, I don't see any use for it. Has anyone here ever used the tags for anything?

Agree..Nothing useful in there..:)

... Fantastic Tower !!!

i don't think they were tagged by muslims, i think haters did it. because muslims don't say it "allah akbar" .... we say it "Allahu Akbar" ...
it was disabled in the makkah tower thread.. there was "Islam=terrorism"

i don't think they were tagged by muslims, i think haters did it. because muslims don't say it "allah akbar" .... we say it "Allahu Akbar" ...
it was disabled in the makkah tower thread.. there was "Islam=terrorism"
What an excuse! Extremists are what they are to destroy and propagate their agenda. The attack was motivated based on the hate for Americans, we known that to be from the view that American society is perceived to be Christians' rather than the Muslim. However, this building is been constructed proves the strength and beauty of love.

I am already imaging the lighting of this building in a clear night sky with brilliant colors.

What an excuse!
^^ Excuse or not, what the heck is that crap still doing there!? (allah akbar, kill all americans) :wtf: someone!.. clean up on aisle three! :lol:
This is a great thread, I've been viewing it for a while before registering to SSC, It would be sad to see it spammed with discussions about arabs, as like what they're saying is actually important or something.

I'm starting to think we found our culprit.

In my opinion it's not a worthy successor of the Twin Towers, maybe if they would have made it taller or if they made Freedom Tower 1 & 2 positioned similar to the old WTC, kinda of a modern replica.
I know some people wanted to build 2 new towers almost similar to the old ones but it failed ( I would have liked that really ), did anyone propose a 2nd tower similar to this one?

hm, why they build this tower only 1776 feet hight(with spire, without spire it will be less hight) it isn't so tall among modern supertall(look at China's , Far East's supertall)

did anyone propose a 2nd tower similar to this one?
Here it is :D
You mean like this:

http://www.twintowersalliance.com/twin_freedom_towers600.jpg

Aaaaaahh, you people "cryin' " about new twins, or how dissatisfied you are with the new complex, you just don't understand architecture, modern architecture, you don't understand new york city and you don't understand what this complex means to the city and its citizens...:ohno:

^^ Well...Isn't New York mostly about mixed people and, of course, mixed ideas and feelings? I, for one, am not cryin' about new towers. I like the new design, and I think that whether it were for the twins to be rebuild or the Freedom tower, IMHO it looks or would've looked great anyway you take it :cheers: Clearly this project is awesome, the towers, the huge fountains.. a true project and memorial in the same time that suits New York.

Of course some people are "cryin' " about new twins, especially the people that haven't got a chance to see the old ones. When I was small like 6 years old and I was watching different movies like.. Home Alone for instance, and when I saw the towers I think you can guess what my biggest dream was in that moment, and from then on :) Till shit happened and I realized I'll never be able to see them cause the towers are gone. So cut us some slack! I seriously understand what this complex means to the city, and I share this feeling. But you too have to understand what the Twins meant to people before, which was probably equally important. Cheers :)

A lot of threads in the supertalls section are flooded with troll tags. Personally, I think the tags section should be disabled altogether, I don't see any use for it. Has anyone here ever used the tags for anything?
+10

I've never met anyone here that uses tags.

hm, why they build this tower only 1776 feet hight(with spire, without spire it will be less hight) it isn't so tall among modern supertall(look at China's , Far East's supertall)

Because in the USA they build quality towers. I'm not saying there aren't great ones in Asia, HK has some of my favourite towers in the world but the most 'new' skyscrapercities in China build very tall but most of them lack quality.

Why does it always have to be taller? It is freakin tall and besides that a fantastic design just like the rest of NY's supertalls that are U/C or proposed.

i mentioned the tags thing quite a while back in the thread, it needs to be sorted.

hm, why they build this tower only 1776 feet hight(with spire, without spire it will be less hight) it isn't so tall among modern supertall(look at China's , Far East's supertall)

At lest American buildings look like real ones, not like some sci-fi sticks on steroids...

I lived in New York before 9/11/01 and the Twin Towers were a symbol for me among others if not my favorites.
Since I lived in Midtown Manhattan I wasn't always over there, but I had other monumental buildings just around the corners.
When I was a kid I remember seeing some advertisements with Marlboro and a image of Manhattan from a helly over the harbor and that was just months before leaving for New York.
In my first day in New York I remember going to a store on 23rd or 14th ( can't remember exactly ) street to buy some basic stuff and remember it was just around the corner from 5th Avenue and at the far end the Twin Towers, so it was a monumental first view of them and was fascinated to see them :D.
For me the "Twins" are a eternal symbol of the city whatever someone would say, I would have always preferred to see them rebuilt or if not, a modern version of them as a 2nd Freedom Tower just like in that render waddler quoted. In a way, when I will go back to see the place I grew up in, it would be a very weird sensation to watch that image without them even if of course, anybody would say "I could have been used to from tv, internet, pictures" since then. 9 years and I can't confirm that.

^^ Well...Isn't New York mostly about mixed people and, of course, mixed ideas and feelings? I, for one, am not cryin' about new towers. I like the new design, and I think that whether it were for the twins to be rebuild or the Freedom tower, IMHO it looks or would've looked great anyway you take it :cheers: Clearly this project is awesome, the towers, the huge fountains.. a true project and memorial in the same time that suits New York.

Of course some people are "cryin' " about new twins, especially the people that haven't got a chance to see the old ones. When I was small like 6 years old and I was watching different movies like.. Home Alone for instance, and when I saw the towers I think you can guess what my biggest dream was in that moment, and from then on :) Till shit happened and I realized I'll never be able to see them cause the towers are gone. So cut us some slack! I seriously understand what this complex means to the city, and I share this feeling. But you too have to understand what the Twins meant to people before, which was probably equally important. Cheers :)

I agree with you 10000000000%..:) I'm in that group of people too...And I would give anything to see them but this is just not goin' to happen..And people don't understand that this what is being built right now is better than old twins..Yes, they were great and amazing, but this is even more great...So I don't know why people bashing the height and design of the new tower one and why they think that this is just some ordinary building which is "replacement" for old twins..And every few pages in this thread someone wants to rebuild the twins..It's really annoying already..We all want them back and there are threads to talk about that...This one is about the new wtc..:cheers:

Those renderings with an extra "Freedom Tower" thrown in look like absolute shit. How can you people think that putting a second tower right on the graves of 3000 people is a good idea?

What would really i think "make it better" for a lot of people, is roof height 1776 feet, and 2 of them, one with the spire. It isn't going to happen, it can't, the remaining area is too small to build a twin, it wouldn't look right at ground level either really, just in the skyline.

I am just happy they are above street level and other buildings are commencing. For the longest time that whole area was just a big hole in the ground, now it's a full on 100% construction site.

- A

Hard to believe it's been almost a decade now. Time really flies after you hit puberty (I was 13 when the towers were attacked).

Hard to believe it's been almost a decade now. Time really flies after you hit puberty (I was 13 when the towers were attacked).

Imagine what it was like for an eight year old, like me. I had no clue what the hell was going on. I never even saw footage of it until I was twelve, yet I still remember that day vividly.

^^ Same, I was an 8 year old when it happened and I heard the older students talking about it in school, but I had no idea about it.

It has gone quickly indeed. Over the years 9/11 has gone from "the global event that happened 2 or 3 years ago" to something that happened almost a decade ago...it is firmly etched into history and is definately no longer part of the present (which it seemed to be not that long ago). It will be something that my children (that dont yet exist) curiously ask me about in the years to come (much the same with me as a child in regards to WW2).

Still, we dont forget.

Nice pic with all that glass!

^^ Same, I was an 8 year old when it happened and I heard the older students talking about it in school, but I had no idea about it.

I was 9...I still remember the moment when friend of mine told us that some plain crashed into the building..We were at playground..When I came home it was on all tv channels...I was watchin' CNN then...

I see we're back to the aesthetics of the tower again.

When I consider how well it meets the existing skyline, how the materials echo many of the surrounding towers, how well it sets off and complements Battery Park City, what it will look like from other buildings in the area, the way it plays off against the memorial fountains and plaza, and how well it integrates with street and below-street functions, I think it's very well done indeed.

If there's an aspect I'm still somewhat ambivalent about, that would be the slight strangeness of the spire and its various elements. But even the Empire State got fussed about with for awhile until some satisfying way to 'finish' it was worked out.

Very handsome building.

I was only 5 when this happened :lol: so I can't remember it at all, but i do remember watching it some years after....

Wow, you people are really young. ;)

^^ yeah, now i feel old lol :( (i'm 26 btw so i remember the day).

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For God's sake, smaller pictures please!

Imagine what it was like for an eight year old, like me. I had no clue what the hell was going on. I never even saw footage of it until I was twelve, yet I still remember that day vividly.

It's a good thing I was older. Still, it was a shocking way to end my childhood. Up until that day, I had always thought that the US was the most powerful force in the world, impervious to any foriegn attack. I was wrong. I know now that we are actually quite vulnerable.

wnweber, do the right thing man and take those pics down, they take too long to load, they need resizing.

wnweber, do the right thing man and take those pics down, they take too long to load, they need resizing.I second that one....hate it when folks do this, does no good to have to scroll all over creation to see the details....c'mon man!

they are installing trident now!!! (lot's of journalist on memorial pool edge.)

I second that one....hate it when folks do this, does no good to have to scroll all over creation to see the details....c'mon man!Sad to say, as much as I love hi-res pics to death, I was viewing them on a 2560x1600 monitor and it still wasn't big enough to handle the pics. They don't make single monitors with a higher resolution than that, so I figure those pics are just too big. Nice shots, though!

Nothing wrong with huge pictures in principle, that's what thumbnails are for. If you want to see super-high-resolution versions, click on the thumbnail, if not, your screen doesn't get stretched beyond absurdity.

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Freedom tower looks cool :)

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I like this photo view, it's smaller than the surrounding buildings at the moment but will soon soar above them :)

Nice find Dino...hope he keeps updating as the tower rises!

Awesome pics! Looks amazing already.

look a brand spanking new video rendering i cant wait for this :)!!!

http://www.wtc.com/media/videos/New%20Memorial%20Animation

Find the cranes..:) Can't wait for this Verizon "thing" to me recladed...

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look a brand spanking new video rendering i cant wait for this :)!!!

http://www.wtc.com/media/videos/New%20Memorial%20Animation


Architecture porn...:)

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^^

That pic makes me hard.

A really good segment about this is on Fox News at the moment.

A really good segment about this is on Fox News at the moment.

On Fox News? Then it can't be good. Or if it is, it's been connected somehow to the evil/monument/invasion that "represents" the mosque that is "only" 4 blocks away. As well as arguments such as terrorism and destruction...

I was 39 on 9-11-01. "You Darn kids ! Get off my lawn !" :lol:

Use the zoom feature on your browser for big pics, or small ones for that matter.

On Fox News? Then it can't be good. Or if it is, it's been connected somehow to the evil/monument/invasion that "represents" the mosque that is "only" 4 blocks away. As well as arguments such as terrorism and destruction...

:lol:

Those renderings with an extra "Freedom Tower" thrown in look like absolute shit. How can you people think that putting a second tower right on the graves of 3000 people is a good idea?

I'd say it's a safe bet that some people died within the footprint of the new tower one, as well. That said, what they are doing is the correct thing. The memorials should be wonderful.

Is it just me, or in that render shot, does the Empire State Building look way too large? The perspective is screwy.

On Fox News? Then it can't be good. Or if it is, it's been connected somehow to the evil/monument/invasion that "represents" the mosque that is "only" 4 blocks away. As well as arguments such as terrorism and destruction...

Not really, they didn't mention the mosque or the construction unions. It was mainly an overview of the project and reflections from people whose relatives died on 9/11, one being a window-washer.

:lol:

Thanks, Vancouver...

We all knew that once this tower's foundation was constructed it would shoot up like a weed. It took a LONG time to completely construct the foundation, but now that it is done, this tower is growing at a very nice pace.

I really love this tower. My only real complaint is no outdoor observation deck. Really, you can't have the WTC without the rooftop observation deck. But who knows, maybe the PA will eventually come to their senses and move that godawful communications ring somewhere else. I mean, its not like its something that once built, can't be moved right?

That render is beautiful on the last page. Just needs the Goldman tower added

Is it just me, or in that render shot, does the Empire State Building look way too large? The perspective is screwy.

The picture is backwards jersey city should be the not ESB and the SOL

That render is beautiful on the last page. Just needs the Goldman tower added

We really need one with the Beekman, 15 Penn Plaza, Verre, GiraSole, Carnegie and other folks down there..:)

nice picture in our local newspaper:

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New steel down at the site...So today they're goin' to 38th floor...

The picture is backwards jersey city should be the not ESB and the SOL

No the picture is correct....it is just a foreshortened view using a long lens taken from New Jersey closer to the Kill Van Kull with the new WTC render image superimposed...really ! I sometimes see mirror image NY pics in the Old NY threads but if you study this one everything is in the right spot relative to everything else.....See the Liberty Torch is just left of the Chrysler Spire......just make a straight line on a map...easy!.

I was 39 on 9-11-01. "You Darn kids ! Get off my lawn !" :lol:

Use the zoom feature on your browser for big pics, or small ones for that matter.

I think we are actually the last generations of "kids" that know and care about this..Those younger kids don't remember that day because they were too young and for most of them this is just something that happened in recent history...Except those who lost someone that day..They will always remeber that day..

Nice pictures, I'm dying to see the first glass panels :banana2:

Where is that last picture taken from? The one from the Belgian article.

Nice pictures, I'm dying to see the first glass panels :banana2:

Where is that last picture taken from? The one from the Belgian article.

Looks like from helicopter?:)

Talkin' about glass..:)

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The tower rises from a podium wall base whose square plan – 200 feet by 200 feet – is the same size as the footprints of the original Twin Towers. The podium wall base is 185 feet tall and consists of laminated prismatic glass and welded aluminum screens. It is clad in more than 2000 pieces of prismatic glass; each measures 4 feet by 13 feet 4 inches with varying prismatic profiles. The design utilizes the optical properties of prismatic glass to reflect, refract and transmit light in various spectrums to create a dynamic, shimmering glass surface that drapes the tower’s base. The prismatic glass was developed over the course of four years in conjunction with some of the world’s top glass manufacturers, who worked with the architects to achieve the desired visual qualities and to produce the innovative prismatic glass.

For the curtain wall, architects worked with industry experts to develop glass of a new monumental scale that is capable of withstanding the wind pressure of a super-tall building as well as stringent security requirements. The 5’ by 13’4” insulated glass panels span the full 13’-4” floor-to-floor height with no intermediate mullion – a first in skyscraper construction. These glass panels allow for maximum daylighting and impart monumental scale to the project. The eight corners of the building are clad with stainless steel panels, with each panel spanning the full height of a floor.

i know this is kinda off topic but the new goldman sachs seems like it should be part of the world trade center, it is really good quality, very close by and it sorta matches the wtc style. btw i really like that last nightish evening pic, looks great

Awesome features ;)

But do you think the glass will look somewhat like the one used it 7WTC?

Awesome features ;)

But do you think the glass will look somewhat like the one used it 7WTC?

Yeah, it will be almost the same...7WTC has great glass..I saw amazing pics of it...:)

Can someone post a picture of the base of 7WTC at night? I have blurry pics taken from the Hilton, but I cannot post here.

there you go...

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No the picture is correct....it is just a foreshortened view using a long lens taken from New Jersey closer to the Kill Van Kull with the new WTC render image superimposed...really ! I sometimes see mirror image NY pics in the Old NY threads but if you study this one everything is in the right spot relative to everything else.....See the Liberty Torch is just left of the Chrysler Spire......just make a straight line on a map...easy!.

Guest I'm use to seeing it, coming off the FDR.

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Looking at the image tells there is large area of land dedicated to this project.

That picture tells me that Goldman-Sachs is making so much money that they can afford to leave almost EVERY LIGHT IN THE HOUSE on.

Looks like from helicopter?:)

Talkin' about glass..:)
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For the curtain wall, architects worked with industry experts to develop glass of a new monumental scale that is capable of withstanding the wind pressure of a super-tall building


So, ummm, do existing supertalls not use glass, or do they not have wind pressure ?


The 5’ by 13’4” insulated glass panels span the full 13’-4” floor-to-floor height with no intermediate mullion – a first in skyscraper construction.

Pretty sure that is completely wrong also, with plenty of photographic evidence on this site...

wtcprogres's webcam is replaced..:)

http://oxblue.com/archive/487d07189e5fd2b7edce94fc0bcf4b68/800x600.jpg

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4331972/rise-of-freedom/?playlist_id=87485

September 8th.. morrongiello (http://www.flickr.com/photos/morrongiello/)

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4109/4971122869_b0180a8067_b.jpg

So, ummm, do existing supertalls not use glass, or do they not have wind pressure ?



Pretty sure that is completely wrong also, with plenty of photographic evidence on this site...

This is what article "talkin' " about..

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=10844&d=1283950797

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHoD8H6UdMI

great vid chjbolton but somehow part of it is not clear so here is a better link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHoD8H6UdMI

great vid chjbolton but somehow part of it is not clear so here is a better link

i may not be a fan of fox news but i am gonna watch this every week, i believe this is going to be an amazing series! I had a little tear come out of my eye this site just has so much connected to it

i may not be a fan of fox news but i am gonna watch this every week, i believe this is going to be an amazing series! I had a little tear come out of my eye this site just has so much connected to it

It's amazing video...Maybe someone knows which day and time this series run?

It's amazing video...Maybe someone knows which day and time this series run?

"New "Rise of Freedom" stories will air on Fox Report (7PM ET) and Studio B (3PM ET) all week leading up to Saturday September 11, 2010."

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/rise-of-freedom/

This is what article "talkin' " about..


That is a sample of the cable net glass wall above the entrances. The article is correct, and glass is stronger than rda thinks it is.

"New "Rise of Freedom" stories will air on Fox Report (7PM ET) and Studio B (3PM ET) all week leading up to Saturday September 11, 2010."

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/rise-of-freedom/

Thanks man..I tried to find but I got some problems with fox's website..

That is a sample of the cable net glass wall above the entrances. The article is correct, and glass is stronger than rda thinks it is.

I know how strong glass is - the quote implied that for 1WTC they have had to invent [I]new[I] type of glass to be strong enough for wind loading on a supertall. Clearly that is false - we already have glass-clad supertalls.

I don't think floor-to-floor height glass cladding is a "first" either.

I know how strong glass is - the quote implied that for 1WTC they have had to invent [I]new[I] type of glass to be strong enough for wind loading on a supertall. Clearly that is false - we already have glass-clad supertalls.

I don't think floor-to-floor height glass cladding is a "first" either.

Are news articles ever 100% correct, is Fox News Ever centrist ? So they embellished, the glass is a first in clarity. Can I just say, if you want facts, just ask me, I well answer if I can.

That picture tells me that Goldman-Sachs is making so much money that they can afford to leave almost EVERY LIGHT IN THE HOUSE on.

:lol: :ohno:

GreenwichBoy, WNY, September 8th..

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=10856&d=1284000610

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=10855&d=1284000594

Fascinating rise of Freedom video on Fox. The CGI of the memorial looks excellent and I lve the idea of the fountains being in the middle of a wood of trees whcih will give it some serenity. I can imagine it will be the largest visitor centre in New York.

RGZ is all on Tower One..:)

http://rebuildgroundzero.org/webcam/rgz_000.jpg?refresh=60&altText=Groud+Zero+Webcam+-+Rebuild+Ground+Zero+.org&camImgY=768&camImgX=960&imageurl=http://rebuildgroundzero.org/webcam/rgz_000.jpg

lovely vid! the lower manhattan skyline will look so spectacular once everything is done (2015 - 2018). and then, even the haters will have to admit that NY will regain its merited position in the skyscraper sky.

Cool, very (very!) slow progress at the start because of all the complicated groundwork, but now its rising very fast :D! Cool too see those other footprints for the other towers too!

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/images/magazines//web/fullsize/groundzero1_full.jpg http://www.arabianbusiness.com/images/magazines//web/fullsize/groundzero2_full.jpg

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/images/magazines//web/fullsize/groundzero4_full.jpg http://www.arabianbusiness.com/images/magazines//web/fullsize/groundzero6_full.jpg

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/images/magazines//web/fullsize/groundzero9_full.jpg http://www.arabianbusiness.com/images/magazines//web/fullsize/groundzero8_full.jpg

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/images/magazines//web/fullsize/groundzero3_full.jpg http://www.arabianbusiness.com/images/magazines//web/fullsize/groundzero5_full.jpg http://www.arabianbusiness.com/images/magazines//web/fullsize/groundzero10_full.jpg

Source: Arabian Business (http://www.arabianbusiness.com/construction_industry?r=1&r=1)

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/images/magazines//web/fullsize/groundzero7_full.jpg

Next week I'm going to New York City, and I am very excited about seeing the progress this building is making. Last time I was in New York, many months ago, it was only 12 or 15 stories high ... now what is it? 35 stories high?

GO! OWTC!

Next week I'm going to New York City, and I am very excited about seeing the progress this building is making. Last time I was in New York, many months ago, it was only 12 or 15 stories high ... now what is it? 35 stories high?

38 stories :cheers:

Next week I'm going to New York City, and I am very excited about seeing the progress this building is making. Last time I was in New York, many months ago, it was only 12 or 15 stories high ... now what is it? 35 stories high?

38..:) Don't forget to take some pics..:cheers:

Do you guys think the first cladding pieces will be installed on 9/11 anniversary?

Do you guys think the first cladding pieces will be installed on 9/11 anniversary?

Nope, cladding is set to be installed next month..:)

Oh cool, thanks for the info :)

1 WTC is progressing very fast, at last :), that's very good news.

Breaking News: the mosk project to be finally moved! Therefore, no Coran to be burnt on 9/11. Everybody's happy then...

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/09/05/nyregion/20100905-Zer0-SS.html
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/8548/1wtcframeworksept2010.jpg

The angle on that picture makes me nauseous lol

First view of a tower crane from below for me.....wow.

Steel at 36th, core scaffolding at 38th, tomorrow, steel at 38th..

Thanks Dino:)

By the way, do we have any clue as to what will replace that infamous Deutsche Bank once it's finally dismantled?

By the way, do we have any clue as to what will replace that infamous Deutsche Bank once it's finally dismantled?

Some hideous design owned by JPMorgan